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Regards, Nikolay Sintsov. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 01:37:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA6543BE77; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:27:11 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #604 for October 30, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <490BBE7F.4080003@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 01:37:59 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081030.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #604 October 30, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on the Ricochet Gathering. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk four from Poland 2004 on the Ricochet Dream label. Ricochet Gathering: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#oct PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Cosmic Hoffmann Spcaewards Outerspace Gems (Manikin) Broekhuis, Keller, Lanes of the Lord Live @ Dorfkirche Repelen 2 and Schonwalder (Manikin) Loucette Bourdin While the Storm Rising Fog (DarkDuck) Passes Ricochet Gathering Track 1 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 2 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ricochet Gathering Track 3 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 4 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 5 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 6 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 7 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 8 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) Ricochet Gathering Track 9 Poland 2004 d4(Ricochet Dream) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begins a month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series in the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 on AmbientLive Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 02:10:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125A63BE72; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4eBXO6H073Y/k1GZFWb+MWsY+vZxnduLlL43XO13UMQOpkhz/4kM2pcyuwL/r46z2eT7p9XljtvLcaKDN+3f0ZS0tIfSQDKdCtRKcQtUYaVtU9ZoMz4U+ZFZr5XrnVNdDKcS5itQWgoM3h/VDAsCW6eWLlyexRW60U7Qs7tS+kU= ; X-YMail-OSG: smqL0RwVM1kEISr._u0JKrQGo7Thnxw4mQdoGI_4.77Iq6Vk4EymqEwOKvZTiJl19F7r5mQegTawW9Byf7Vb6ZNvHFqaBeDiX9Awge.RLjvpPJw2_UpkmigzqwuNMmxGyucDvUE3x1XWcp3uISJ1y8PxhbRllt48xg0RjhXWFXYFeANd61sUGqMOJvE- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: Subject: Anyone have a MIDI foot controller for sale? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:10:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP. Thanks in advance, Ricky Graham www.rickygraham.net =20 info@rickygraham.net +44(0)7743537349 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. = To work=20 along with EDP.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Ricky Graham
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C93BC7.08DF4370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 02:28:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EBA23BE71; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZtgOB86na9+wTMDPfMf0DxzPN5Esa382G12iCvefEIE=; b=FSYBN8OPQbWbZgmeBOeC4EvoHNjob2kb5Wp75wpXnoWYliMviVj+AMI1nU0gJ9+9qI hZjLy4bI0C0suDXljbTlo27AU4kEqwH8+W1c4krk4I+b5HH9EWW0QtaQh6pj03oMkjIU hApEvcAQpasjSdfFHtWoCxWMVgq+nP9oaGCy8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Olidrtb/H8b/V5A45gTQLcuWtiEu0Xzr1/8jBi+vVbRllyIkJrwNjs2+Ir8tbOzAdy kGHds0OFArp9rrnIyolr0wWLUZOmxoGuENTDQAQbiJGOlxOdVKgtucHDTN2WYfdqQvMo JvTyQadYEnmiNb7RZec7t4NmmO8ucuZe2LELk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:28:29 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anyone have a MIDI foot controller for sale? In-Reply-To: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878" References: <000801c93bc7$098176e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 02:28:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does the FC200 work with the EDP? I thought Roland's controllers didn't. TH On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Ricky Graham < rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote: > Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP. > > > > ------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does the FC200 work with the EDP?  I thought Roland's controllers didn't.

TH

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:10 PM, Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com> wrote:
Behringer FCB10-10 or Roland FC200 etc. To work along with EDP.
 

 

------=_Part_23057_1001211.1225506509878-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:07:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF0843BE80; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=3takrLxN3liPjPu39rOxNW3PxH1x9tKj54o1pZPicPA=; b=j7B+r6s3Y42wTBAmTgOPJa4tL5uKRSqdWQgIILRnTWC85zeKaOm7dqRWVJvENtUbWA sV2bQ8lUr+Rbt9L8tqq8uZdj6tL8I20Ux8KWxhiIblnkSFh9f1+TjcWoLw2eMAIeLSrx al/rE2R/ursmiEvwocgCw97kQkyCn5pZy4CAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OPcKIl9yUd4cEDAvVUHqpFjLKo5BmCVQ0dd9NjZPfOKvXuErSkH6K7fY2HIzFPmNm0 s45okRNIdPqthWtZjkLlEIvbarFdRh75OpVkknPVXC5BtimBqQ7fvw+PG5/ts1A9/aH0 nrPwYyBcZyZcp7nletsSTpJ3w86ZmnisxYiXg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 12:07:31 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Osx and Windows split MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows? http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433483BE81; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DoDY/gE+K+eszZxCcWfp6lGhArP8qPp8WN0QQobsDMk=; b=QkEl779YxuATy08iTXqBfy4cKSkY2BDR6BY1gF34ptGbshEiXV3GZacfwoHexQULnJ gjw759mIYd/jotwoObMI0K64frcKgxdyFgguvz2DLkVLgZ9RXeWAN3gzp3Mq/gy2Lgwy 7HOGqO54ozV6wYCYlZp+sjyU1Bj3X2u+aZ+Jg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Qcc34SUjXxTTW8cWlvrkScU790cvvGAOGYQXvx8eulVtpQDlErqcXw/qjo89G1lWvb ZtZLhCUGBdX5iBan0QT3F8Y6CnTQ3VUt9/kJgyt+O+6fVYPN052vSrnQsxAuRw+YoPz+ 8ecqbQxentf08d/7DApQjgeQNLKvBuD98chec= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:57:29 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8fc39c5a5c88c03d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:57:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion. It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs. However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying. Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and > windows? > > http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ > > seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's > operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? > > Byron > > ------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion.

It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs.

However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying.

Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly.

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows?

http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/

seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's
operable from the  mac side in a host like Ableton?

Byron


------=_Part_23082_14221441.1225537049236-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 10:58:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0E93BE7C; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:58:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yuk6muJMJ1F4SLmO4QXH3qU7xntwf083fgrADpk3d2I=; b=fbWu9kGtCc72htsePBydcTva2FVCOvrJP0afOkVt4QRw+3HCJgsxYJE92f9lC5D5WN o85o28CyvrgVcUTSG7ELzxXrZR582aA+Kp5TzZSW/tcefxZ9Xd43NA3WuSWEMKmC/oqS 4bXwRfMZXaVqxmbp7ad46iN26QLlERB9amPbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sSt8fNAPam2yWNmgOpwBxqE7wbFLP1SbxgpgNqbh2u9iWzC0jO8ut9PbehM4IJH4aI Is3DJHd3PghI0kx5F+FMTw7MNrjXeOI8DjW/sDPsJeZ8SdpfGhbjRyIJtVaCr9wGBSxK zKr6iJzTWNnm5Y0SrA5Z493ei31fnDyoOZF+A= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:58:11 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 988c4a04d0ade45f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:58:12 +0000 (UTC) (Sorry for the resend, this one is in plain text) I don't have any specific experiences using VSTs from a virtualized copy of windows, but I have a lot of experience with VMware Fusion. It's a fantastic app (considerably better than parallels desktop, which I used from beta through 3.0, and found that vmware exceeded parallels the moment it left beta and has only gained more of a lead), and runs windows xp amazingly well with a puny 256mb of ram (assuming a clean install with no antivirus and such, since I see no point in having that in a vm where I can do a true rollback at any time). I'd say it's 90% as fast as running it natively via boot camp for everything that doesn't rely on graphics acceleration. For graphics accelerated things, it's getting better, but 3d rendering and gaming are still pretty poor (usable but slow). For music, however, I see no reason why you would see any slowdown in your VSTs. However, I'm not sure about VSTs being usable in ableton via vmware fusion. I'd download a demo and give it a try. If that doesn't work, from a technology perspective it seems to me that WINE might work a lot better, so try out a demo of the excellent (though hit-or-miss) crossover. It's a commercially backed program that uses WINE (a tool to run windows code in os x/linux) to run windows programs in os x a lot more seamlessly than via VMware Fusion. The huge down side is, while there's a certainty apps will work in virtualized windows, there's no gaurantee they'll work in crossover, so I'd test all your favorite VSTs in it before you decide which to consider buying. Crossover is available at www.codeweavers.com. Disclaimer: I'm not affiliated with either company, and I use both their products weekly. > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:07 AM, Byron Howell wrote: >> >> Has anyone got any opinions on this software for integrating osx and windows? >> >> http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ >> >> seems it would save dual booting. would this make windows vst's >> operable from the mac side in a host like Ableton? >> >> Byron >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 11:05:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0536A3BE79; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5/mvBNQdCn3whhX38lAJvlnLCWGweQiUpEPuPG/qnkk=; b=sxrZTve77IAqhU7lIpC15tqscZtxlP0iRs2Gk3zZmgwp4tmj4O1dWLeP1oPYmaXuU8 16T3/o2mQewSJNqmCGpWChyE6SermtwksaSVvKfpBNMvAIci03DqG2Ci+Pn42bkD1VFS zkZnQ2DQamRdQMQzTiD1UnPQhz9tAJ9AAVo+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kmvb45po3qUUJmMYsFXxKFcylopoPu8B4QJywQer86CepMoPED8Xf8ri6sCOd6ckqy B3yCISd9sgRIOZExhj7pUcvrbPST1ghUArBrDeFkpy6y+OMuh3f09zqfnlKAsqx8AFdq +8x73hqwaCqLvdW6Qvj6oUVIs1UzhXhE1uKWk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:05:09 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865" References: <9ab0c76f0810260100q2f9c022ct4390783a1b106d90@mail.gmail.com> <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:05:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. 2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796 Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video capture). So there you have it. Best, Dennis On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roozeboom wrote: > Always thought that iTunes used G-force for visualization - at least in > lineage: > > http://www.soundspectrum.com/g-force/ > > Nic > > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Tiedje < > stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Per Boysen schrieb: >> >>> Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I >>> showed him. >>> >>> STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so, >>> please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer >>> to a live feed audio input. >>> >> >> No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it >> with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in >> theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available. >> As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way, >> create a feed and let itunes listen to it... >> >> Stefan >> >> -- >> Stefan Tiedje------------x------- >> --_____-----------|-------------- >> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- >> -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- >> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com >> >> > > > -- > Nic Roozeboom > > http://www.fractal-continuum.com > http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal > http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum > http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom > http://fractal.bebo.com/ > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_3388_10726417.1225537509865 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:

1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

2. iTunes used, AND STILL CAN USE, G-force for visualization. You can actually use both G-Force and White Cap from Soundspectrum as part of the Visualizer in iTunes. Check it out. As proof, I offer my rough efforts over on the Vimeo page: http://www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers/videos/2094796

Said video having been produced using G-force (STILL waiting to hear form them about commercial license costs!), having initially confirmed what things would look like using iTunes with the G-force "plug-in". (Actual video was done with the G-force "stand alone" and Snapz Pro for the video capture).

So there you have it.

Best,

Dennis

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roozeboom <nicroozeboom@gmail.com> wrote:
Always thought that iTunes used G-force for visualization - at least in lineage:Nic


On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
Per Boysen schrieb:
Andy was particularly talking about the iTunes 8 visualizer, that I showed him.

STefan, are you saying you know a way how to hack iTunes 8? If so,
please share! I bet many would love to apply the iTunes 8 visualizer
to a live feed audio input.

No, I just meant, if the visualizer can jump to audio in, you can feed it with a cable. I don't no how to feed itunes with live audio. Though in theory all necessary information to create a plug-in, should be available. As itunes can also connect to internet feeds, that could also be a way, create a feed and let itunes listen to it...

Stefan

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--(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
-- _|_)----|-----()--------------
----------()--------www.ccmix.com




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Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://fractal.bebo.com/



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http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:15:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C53C3BE79; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=QtskLS7KCK88NInLG5ACz3D92EGsj+stWnpc+BFXTxBKKCf44TVKpIQ6qAofiin/3VjRbynWULsjur7hwQJVnttD324R8iCtbQVNGdTI2FOuy5KHSNxKXiQfgFP/4Jv/PtEVacyaVVkTl3oqYp6MUBUg4gzJC7DYsM12Z3W/Hvk=; X-YMail-OSG: R60TCaoVM1mYiVIbv9r6MD3di_U8O8Y65WubG8C2GkX9y8.fUv7ep54Wnj1LfP3XGg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 07:15:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:15:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E7553BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBNrzsRDEVEA== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Ack8LFDiio1QGhn4Q2WF+PlMrG16AQAA20Dw In-Reply-To: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:45:05 +0000 (UTC) > i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer > compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused > channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab > that damn mouse! This does not directly target your initial question (but onto that: no, I believe it is not possible), but I found that when I work with the computer, I need some kind of non-mouse-based user interface. This could be a kind of faderbox (and as usual, the starting point price-wise is something like a Behringer BCR2000 or BCF2000, both of which I'm happy with), or in a first step (if the application supports that) using your computer keyboard to do what you're after - this is possible e.g. in Ableton Live and would work for that specific application you're after. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 14:58:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E78E03BE87; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wf2ZUkffFdGl12wxlvsTfUj3e17GtVOS0w9WfMI6A48=; b=mHKrpLHTqdPn5eYe0hWlnmdIEvaeIBKxEeHCxV9Pb5CSjJbc2w+ticJ9DTCVpckbpj 0u0sD7bk7iyihpBLrrFyfEmeiSvTsVlJwtsrgY5Ifb5a8GBn5so5o/rDFAMJMqNFX9Jv 2QXsOL6Ojc+AcqbcwkMmDrjeZe9JQ07p6wEUk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Btc/j5EVTuSwFebATyJJuDOYQ7VnuedUAQL/6PmDZ04EWHFYRZ0d+tLaAFiaakLGzh XF2NEPJi8iTPvsUVTOu7kkAKONDF5Q72xXzONxpKnE2rvZVlpiv3gXmx0w++6Mq06IP2 mzN/fZSAP0679K0/a9mEzoBiiWbR6UUK9pjmQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:58:48 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:58:49 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go stereo into your soundcard when looping different instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all cost having to grab that damn mouse! > cheers > Luis Hi Luis, I have the same priorities as you, and I did that routing in Bidule by dragging virtual cables from the soundgard's differnt input to the Mobius input that equals the Selected Track in Mobius. I also use Bidule for muting physical inputs not in use. However, that was on Windows with the Mobius VST, but now after moving over to use the Mobius Mac beta I have been thinking about this related to the standalone Mobius version and I'm afraid can't see a way to do it. I will probably keep on using Mobius standalone on Mac, because that way my "effect rig" of choice MainStage is reliably slave syncing to Mobius, so I too need to find a way to to lead four analog inputs into each one of Mobius track inputs. Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many physical inputs? 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I will look in to this and see if I can find a solution. If the screen goes blank, hit the MENU button several times until it comes back. As for the RM65B, I suspect that there is a ground loop. Most likely it is a ground loop through the chassis. If you were local, I could probably modifiy the LP1 to eliminate the ground connection through the chassis, but since you aren't, my recommendation would be to get a set of electically isolating mounts for the rack. I don't remember who makes them, but I have seen them before. I hope this helps, Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 2:21 AM Subject: LP first report > Hi Bob, > how are u? i made it safe in one piece,but after such an intensive looping > week i am still getting back to nromality here! > anyway,about the looperlative: > the good news is that it has been behaving more reliable,it only locked up > once as i was trying to set the xpression pedal on me so far, and the > noise and level problems are gone! > The bad news is that when i turn my P.A. spakers on the looperlative > screen goes blank and i can only see the peak input nd output levels, it > also sometimes goes into reloading the software. > The other is that i bought a rackmount mixer, a rolls rm65b to use it in > conjunctio with the LP > http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=RM65b > but when i connect the LP in its effects loop,it makes a static noise and > the mixer becomes noisy and cannot use the LP at all.No problems however > when i use the LP with my soundcraft mixer.This is strange because the > rack mixer is new and works clean and fine with eveything else,i have no > idea about electronics but could it be some sort of ground problem? could > you take a look at the rolls specs and tell me what the problem might be? > also why do u think the screen is going blank when i turn the P.A. and why > does it reboots? this doesnt happen with my EDP or any other equipment... > i hope i can get this sorted out,i just want to use my LP the way everbody > does! > thanx and i await your response > take care > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > From root@technical.amitpatel.co.uk Sat Nov 1 15:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from technical.amitpatel.co.uk (78-105-14-102.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.14.102]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6373BE79 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by technical.amitpatel.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 0) id 068D4122085E; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:49:21 +0000 (GMT) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have just received a virtual postcard from a friend ! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:10:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15D163BE88; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <581458.71101.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: LP first report Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 08:10:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3m8PD.A.NhB.CGHDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:10:58 +0000 (UTC) I apologize for my last email to the list. For some reason replying to Luis' email created a reply to the list instead of a reply to him. For those of you that read the mail, please know that Luis' situation is not typical. I am trying to resolve issues for him that cropped up as a result of modifications that I made to his unit while he was here in California. Bob From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 15:22:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7C03BE87; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GT5iMrcUz9yH+ftjpEYYI06q7X1WQvrCkb89pq9xES8=; b=hbiHjDQxtMPVXGFvceEuoKdiZUJWdXIT5dHd94Ex9wwAcYFemU0Ym9CZBAqBTHRMmM AY+HEZhcX9Iy8xi/l+DaWHIlg9sNWI+a6FBhakVfzEacDCaXVhYBiiTGoUCswOYzkiPI cskFP2pDSTo7i6oAaXD1Gs8wSa0FxdxAkJw8o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YgMpA5Uu+SGLM558iMQ+kf5Ss47nwhrTptUT9tZOHEqfNyZ23QbrQ9a9sYdD7+Cxvh pxyf9zdVEtn42J2mO8wgSaMaFD5COr0So5WmgBuZoSFtQwUXGunhbSCKgvXSgZrmU33m Z0dUeTE0Pnll0oP9+gkivl8jOU50SCgBZ6RmE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:22:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0810260100q2f9c022ct4390783a1b106d90@mail.gmail.com> <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 15:22:16 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 16:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BA2F3BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jlYlGEhbvuwOqVb4oaI/mn04UTvmNewKJCdKUwMk2iC5v26S2ninCSih/Daurj09e+huw6FjUhfRFwh9y20y5bncqwE82BoSCxv54gB6f8psWLtF8dA610fLNEN8QjPx2RWIk7tTyWt4dnHwXgUcLy1SDKaJLfdQvA8Yc1ymN+w=; X-YMail-OSG: DuImLdwVM1n2T1zoTYv1AdZCsAOvPw.tuxmyxr797ILP9wTlh1BskA6a6kpZRh3LFxroGcq4pjMZpKGg731ckJRgkpVjkHakCTCLhCP5sOKWpAQhO..BFBcaJOw.JdfRNEJqF1_ZP3XrkcbseeYHW7MtxK4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <118015.73602.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-aftjC.A.-IE.L-HDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Hey per, I had no problems routing this with my RME fireface,i set all inputs to outputs 1 and 2 on the matrix then went to the track setup in mobius and assigned all ports to 1 for each track.That way i could have different instruments plugged in on any of the inputs of the soundcard ready to go. I recently got the presonus to try with my macbook thinking i could route the same way but apparently is not possible.I have my the following setup: microphone plugged to input 1, percussion on 2 guitar stereo outs to inputs 3,4 the problem here is that i am forced to loop my voice only in track 1 precussion only on track 2 and guitar only in track 3 which can be dangerous if i start a guitar loop and i am in track one for ex. As for not being able to mute channels grab faders etc. and avoiding grabbing the mouse solution,if is not possible and have to get a mixer then i ask myself if is really convenient and faster to setup going this route.There is a mixer,a soundcard and a fragile laptop which have to be sitted somehow on a flat table because i havent seen a way to mount them all together conveniently, the less time connecting cables the better.With my hardware setup there would be a looperlative or EDP,rackmount mixer and perhaps an efx proccesor all connected in a rack ready to go.offcourse i am not counting setting up the floor efx midi pedal etc. I am sure as far as weight and transport nothing beats a laptop flying overseas but right now i am thinking of setting up fast "pub proof" reliable and efficiently on a frequent gigging situation.Perhaps laptop will be for overseas and hardware for home, right now i am experimenting with both,see what comes out of this. It also occurs to me that at Y2K8 there were probably 2 people only with laptops i thought i was probably going to be one of the few with hardware but was surprised that the majority had hardware! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 7:58 AM > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports > on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in > mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go > stereo into your soundcard when looping different > instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using > the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able > to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all > cost having to grab that damn mouse! > > cheers > > Luis > > > Hi Luis, > > I have the same priorities as you, and I did that routing > in Bidule by > dragging virtual cables from the soundgard's differnt > input to the > Mobius input that equals the Selected Track in Mobius. I > also use > Bidule for muting physical inputs not in use. > > However, that was on Windows with the Mobius VST, but now > after moving > over to use the Mobius Mac beta I have been thinking about > this > related to the standalone Mobius version and I'm afraid > can't see a > way to do it. I will probably keep on using Mobius > standalone on Mac, > because that way my "effect rig" of choice > MainStage is reliably slave > syncing to Mobius, so I too need to find a way to to lead > four analog > inputs into each one of Mobius track inputs. > > Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track > Setup > Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from > many > physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:01:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D7653BE84; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WXT+q+j5EjxCFZ2OWRaMX6UXqLermUBaiE400U2VnHg=; b=DfHo5YvMq/Dx3ck/auPFuMGLu4I5vwu4QfIZBxJBvd/vQOAbNfshZy1x2I995f0z5N Eg6+GBlvAy3znbDSPv8Kwm5g3FuuiUVht3kta7m9bf6PtbOrTjGMZlwzBiZv8F7wDPxb sfXNhI9PqBftncj2NCga6JtPTB5CxA32KxmOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cDk2vVhiAAGMgJOgkkGsaQzoYkMn/cxhfCuhwEXwyod/TR/suPyldZzwqddf0KnRq1 jx7of/DWLPHT8mZRzShsohO8mOQI/4EV3nTZwgmwBodsqoJtbINC0BVziF9qCIbkVQtA eGeviX8QeB0x8Gby7ixp0Dexm+6EZkNRYBJ/Q= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 14:01:44 -0400 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619" References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:01:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but > for > > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured > to > > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have > an > > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > > > Dennis, > > That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > > But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > minute...) > > I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > mode during certain algorithms. > > Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > and the USD 25 license is picked up at > http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8817_19015625.1225562504619 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you sho= uld be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine,= run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/loc= al server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibi= lity of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because= I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run t= he software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background ri= ght now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of= that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can= actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet ca= ble should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet= crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it woul= d probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rat= her than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0= since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, r= ather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ..= . basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresse= s such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them= to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which= are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); = the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I= do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford th= e computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of= tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work be= tter if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machine= s, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by desc= ribing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site th= at Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2= 008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wro= te:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis wh= enever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, act= ually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, bu= t for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the mo= st
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCa= st.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide= a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be= configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to= have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.


Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Sc= reen%20Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186562.



--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
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Then use a MIDI pedal or laptop key to swap between them. This doesn't help if you need to assign multiple physical inputs to one particular Mobius Track Input, though. But for muting instuments/mics not in use it's a perfect solution. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:28:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AA4A3BE8F; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KDw749S/F0PhVx1uTSNKm5Y9nVnBrwcMK4zo3RTC73LH+25mSWarLG2yquLqO0Y1zVtzmnzwpybQypSy4SohuDdghUKt8HAz72aF0H8IVma6uoCqGS9r5BVNnx+6Ad6WcAh+XXEowMgKuGQgx3cCZdT/r5ndKoI5yt1V6zKJKJQ=; X-YMail-OSG: lZQH1cgVM1mdE7O_IgALXp74rp11oZZ_yszfHnn6m6j7w6GZ4TI.i_K5THOv8_IH5VG8IcsaG1EKbhSL.MK7wwnF_aWp_1wux5K4Welmtc1EV3EqNjtg3_v4BDj5PZHzx9UXngR6o9tmuNLjCcx8SENiv84- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011121y60cf0dc3u67ee87a9a2e64277@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <682553.17868.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:28:02 +0000 (UTC) very good idea!! i wish there was a soundcard "midi mixer" where mute buttons faders and so fort could all be programed,Rainer was mentioning the Behringer BCF-2000 but i dont think it will work with any of the soundcard virtual mixers,will it? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:21 AM > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:15 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > Is it possible to assign all inputs to specific ports > on mobius for ex. all presonus 6 inputs into port 1 in > mobius?Or do most fo you use an external mixer and then go > stereo into your soundcard when looping different > instruments?In testing i suppose the disadvantage of using > the software mixer compared to a hardware is not being able > to mute the unused channels quickly,i want to avoid at all > cost having to grab that damn mouse! > > cheers > > Luis > > > Hey Luis, > > I just had another idea that might help you: Set up > different presets > in Mobius for all your input combinations! 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--=_GK5TFHBGksx-DXj1CYq7jw-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 18:54:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309093BE89; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:54:46 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:54:51 +0000 (UTC) > Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup > Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many > physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this hasn't come up before. I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port merging in the host or have an audio interface that supports mix busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 19:41:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C6E3BE88; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EiJzcHDzsIYIMIAzE+RqbpfxRXkK53cg1edTqQu9d34=; b=RcdOSDgoXW2fG33wdobqraAljd5QnPgRyoIVpQTf6nynz4nNx492A6OqIp2TYB6QGo rJV1uVj/8cxenQg8sLgoWa43IMJwOQJzqdpxoeDHNq0lLQQzP4RW6/nJl5CwJtigMwwp 30k/jgb6k8B+R7SYgWxdoFETJN2nju84qHD5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iznDFaHtXot5H2vRIh9ad49mMbNWqa1mABH64GNrquGtMIf5VtENX8eJsQ4396vpUO aWCdIlYAePMVI+EbR8DAQipeYLCYftFjrHEIBur5XpR/OWQDctz72/lwZrbeJiiSXoDC Uxf5coyzWcbDLkC+GXY+/lenJsy2zNLwfPzTI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:41:24 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 19:41:26 +0000 (UTC) >> Maybe Mobius can be upgraded with an option in the Track Setup >> Configuration window to have each track fetch inputs from many >> physical inputs? (Are you reading, Jeff?) On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this hasn't come up before. > I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port > merging in the host or have an audio interface that supports mix > busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. > > Jeff I'm now using MainStage slave synced to Mobius first loop's tempo and that works like a dream, so I guess I will stick to that rather than going back to a Mobius AU plug-in (if Apple doesn't fix the bug in MainStage that makes it crash when syncing to a tempo master AU plug-in). I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple inputs to each Mobuis track. The other two solutions, that I'm stuck with for now, is to (1) set up four clones of each MainStage sound patch, only differing in that they target different physical audio inputs. That's not very elegant and it eats up all my available patch call pedals and MIDI Program Change numbers. I could also (2) manually change the MainStage patch input on the screen. But that looks stupid and interferes with playing the music. I don't like having to watch the screen and I appreciate the possibility to stuff away the laptop on the stage floor under a chair somewhere safe behind me. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 20:29:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3BA33BE86; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:29:29 UTC User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.12.0.080729 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:22:47 -0700 Subject: OT: CodeWeavers From: Qua Veda To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: OT: CodeWeavers Thread-Index: Ack8X5qYYFp64uJxCEaOhDLTEKIBig== In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3eN7k.A.P7H.pwLDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:29:29 +0000 (UTC) I see that CodeWeavers is now registering users and allowing us to get the download s/w for running Windows applications directly on Intel Macs. Has anyone got it running yet? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 20:35:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3AFF3BE82; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=IO1kmDjqEHO+LaiBw7VUNIBxHRUU+yJNx9DMC0S44As=; b=Au5m0Tt0xCvz4v3OY2VoXo3JYVDFY/y450u5SnC5Tn1rgKfe1Yp+yJbnb1hRy5aLCg 5X8kevl6m/r0Inb+/vBoRBCtJ9MnfvomfMIXu8jdaXc6TKOoUSGqZTvJuYxZpuBpvtFh ZXDxIm2SI+tEX/DYR9KvjsYv3/M5Sz8qHMxfI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HARg/G/umAHR2lTN1nR5mXngQ1QtW7IXeT5f7ioY6wCn7inZ/2edJL01DmsvC0+82y q8PGtxjTgpE45yNUTrgMtKdgBCfVubGt0aaFoQy2pWNEopZb1jdZVgz7E2a2+tDFE+ug nm8cFwR9vHSAQFjDR+m46VklH3+qu070ZnX+Y= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:35:47 -0700 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: CodeWeavers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8daef8cb0af5f564 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 20:35:48 +0000 (UTC) yea, I registered my free copy and played team fortress 2. worked like a charm. i also tried audiosurf which failed miserably. but overall the application is great for every app supported, and they do a pretty good job of bringing new apps onto that list. 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I am now at Philippine and i  have written on several occasions to the company but the director explained to me that i have to present a foreigner to stand for me to merit the clause of the accord signed with the company by my late husband.
 
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Hurry before someone else does! --0-595871752-1225571962=:40534-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:07:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BF923BE89; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <4456D273-AFEC-48B5-9889-C3B289B1FBFB@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Osx and Windows split Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:07:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:07:55 +0000 (UTC) I haven't used Fusion, but I've used other VMware products and if it works the same it is a "virtualizer" rather than an "emulator" like Wine. Emulators provide an environment that looks similar to Windows to the application, but it isn't really Windows. This works well for some applications but it can add overhead and typically has problems for applications that need relatively low level access to devices. This includes audio applications that use ASIO drivers for audio devices. I've heard AudioMulch runs under Wine on Linux, but many don't. I think someone tried to run standalone Mobius under Wine and it didn't work but I don't remember what the problems were. AFAIK you can't use Wine to wrap a Windows VST and use that in a Mac version of Ableton. You would have to run a Windows version of Ableton itself under Wine, then have it load Windows VSTs. I've never heard of anyone doing that successfully. A virtualizer like VMWare runs an actual copy of Windows inside another OS. These usually work better than emulators but they still add a small amount of overhead and can have problems with device drivers. I use VMWare all the time at my job and it works very, very well, but I've never tried it with audio applications. My guess is that Ableton would run fine, but you might not be able to get latencies as low as you would running Windows directly against the hardware. It's worth a try if you can download a demo version. Note though that you need a licensed version of Windows to install in the VMware image and Windows versions of whatever software you want to run. Like an emulator this will not let you use a Windows VST inside a Mac host. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:19:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E60503BE95; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:19:41 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:19:46 +0000 (UTC) > I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface > and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in > MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple > inputs to each Mobuis track. Doesn't the RME have a way to merge multiple physical inputs into a single pair of virtual inputs for the audio application? I could have sworn you could do this on the MOTU, but I'm having trouble remembering. Maybe you could do this: - set up a "bus" merging multiple inputs to the SPDIF output - physically connect the SPDIF output to the SPDIF input - open the SPDIF input in a Mobius track It isn't as elegant and it may add some extra buffering latency. And I don't think the Firebox can do this. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 1 21:31:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24A453BE91; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=G8P1f9+H4Pzj0WOaH0EoCQciaMh62naW4Gzo0nkK2sE=; b=JQrg97Rqj4LPkb1xbKADtKpQfN2fPNi/ij4YYupC7H9Lvx6gobukcS6AhOEODEZTgp xCfcZMuDy0+BhVWc2mzeWl736JCKUGbMRN+neOtLbaOsaf/YK2l/hDUA4nJ7I1Q/APBS H3vCPiYBHXCTLeSgyxZY2KCkbF3i0sgm89JHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ShXiNglVbtGpn7Uj697bUKzg7SUk3I0CZ/SfoU9dQ7vRHvdIViXjYjLd6gVoteNA33 RBfVJXEVFjZ5cGLvbRQwe1rLe07LbK7KxRMGpn4Zx+WaCTpXRwufnzgG0o5PzRiOPZRM HP4+jGgnKE5nPrU7CEzeU9QbOEFBPKi1eCYFI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811011431m12165a64v4b51e963a61327ac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:31:07 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <293858.55432.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811010758i75eb2977jf32c9a3668e4c897@mail.gmail.com> <5F5780A1-A50E-4A6F-94D2-D35C4AED1A28@zonemobius.com> <66f9cc1e0811011241p62cb2eb6la359a767ecef3d42@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 21:31:09 +0000 (UTC) > >> I like to set up the individual input levels on the physical interface >> and have them all go into the same effect patch ("channel strip") in >> MainStage. But this only works if Mobius allows us to fetch multiple >> inputs to each Mobuis track. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > Doesn't the RME have a way to merge multiple physical inputs into a > single pair of virtual inputs for the audio application? I could > have sworn you could do this on the MOTU, but I'm having trouble > remembering. Not for applications inputs, only for direct sound card outputs. At least MainStage and Logic fetches the audio stream directly at the input, no matter how you set the routing in the RME FireMixer. > Maybe you could do this: > > - set up a "bus" merging multiple inputs to the SPDIF output > - physically connect the SPDIF output to the SPDIF input > - open the SPDIF input in a Mobius track Yes, I thought about that - but I decided to do precisely that routing with physical cables instead (to stay clear from internal routing feedback). -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 00:26:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D7B3BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:24:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30" X-Priority: 3 X-Vipre-Scanned: 11D0EE1500093F11D0EF62 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:26:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the = door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what = the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the = app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast = 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented = itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like = //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dennis Moser=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by = audio Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, = i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and = point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is = a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply = because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate = machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running = in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well = it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running = on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that = makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet = cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an = ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe = it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique = IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of = 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was = running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the = same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP = addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that = way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to = my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I = use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 = more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford the = computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number = of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may = work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate = machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our = experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the = effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to = share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen = wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular = basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, = actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life = client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably = the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a = stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be = configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do = some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into = a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on = the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in = a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, = Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is = http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com --=20 http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had = 350 kids=20 come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to = this is=20 what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run = the app=20 on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Shoutcast = 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented = itself as=20 an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein = as input=20 as well?  I haven't fiddled with it in a while.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Dennis=20 Moser
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 01, = 2008 6:01=20 PM
Subject: Re: Video = Visualization in=20 Windows Media Player activated by audio

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" = (*grin), you=20 should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a = machine,=20 run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local = host/local=20 server at IP 127.0.0. There is a = possibility of=20 a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I = actually had=20 the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software = on ...=20 as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is = finished I=20 will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the = fact that=20 if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test = things more=20 easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first = scenario of=20 using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you = MUST use a=20 proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to = work=20 properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have = each=20 machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes = to the=20 "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the = machine in=20 which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) = have them=20 on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with = unique IP=20 addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and = point to=20 them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two = of=20 which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming = server=20 (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our = laptops, so=20 that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need = (read=3Dafford=20 the computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are = gettng at:=20 There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to = do=20 this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy = lifting" on=20 separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing = our=20 experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the = effects.=20 The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the = outputs=20 ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than=20 speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. = I do=20 this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. = Granted,=20 I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count = the one=20 I am using to run my Second Life client, but for
> purposes of = this=20 discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most
> = straight=20 forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast.
>=20 NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a = stream=20 that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast = can be=20 configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do = some
>=20 fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have=20 an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate=20 server.


Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! = Thank you=20 for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be = possible=20 to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable = an=20 ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the = Magnetosphere=20 visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the = NIceCast=20 server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would = mean=20 iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, = on the=20 same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on = NiceCast in=20 a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look = interesting=20 if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put = it into=20 freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative = would=20 be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the = Windows=20 application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with = all=20 those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in = some=20 aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, = I was=20 very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize = in time=20 (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The = URL to=20 download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Sa= ver/index.html
and=20 the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D30018656= 2.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com=



--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/<= /A>
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93C81.5704CD30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 00:32:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CC553BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMeKRxcx7 Message-ID: <6040c0kA1MnSUl.RZmta@mo-p05-ob.rzone.de> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:32:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Ack8gayK+DPPAdehS3m0Tr/leCBLRwAAGv8A Resent-Message-ID: <7nlb3C.A.RcG.cUPDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:32:28 +0000 (UTC) > Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? > I haven't fiddled with it in a while. You had to run three individual programs, if I remember correctly: first the streaming source which fed the shoutcast server with a stream, then the shoutcast (icecast) server, and then winamp, but yes, it works. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 03:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6423BE84; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=kMAP7EqSlaC5VumlMVCXmTPCwbhlNmSGKf1HtdSKXPc=; b=LzCwMMTsv7p9ZxgQ7dIrm6VOCMyJq+OT8pzyDT/Z7QluERnvjo+gGuePk422n8qyU2 MriprcR7HajJ4TUkjlsUlV8TZTKJ2RTwlNOp/SYS0U8G0TdwjMYavoW/Me2EHDBGC/HF lleLhPnkVdB+qHy4H7e35WKpeSMQTbeQvIcoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=XMlwrMtgDRtoOTStEkm8BuKCSLHolj4Wr26GKIqWmINezarXau7AvSX3hv0JsN6Ouu LqQmZeqK13Bxwrbg/6Q30IF9fe2jrl7kCO09MP+cBd/xhh7Y7pi/H7w2+eGZQHmp9Orw 3FxVnxtVzpWC88XFWqFO3USO4v6b7CgtFDrkI= From: "Tony K" To: References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> Subject: RE: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ack8gbas7qZ1xu8XSji5+joiY9QRzgAFTjYw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool. http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi? &menu=about you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 Tony From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Moser To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio Per, *GRIN ... thanks! "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... Later! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. Dennis, That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a minute...) I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze mode during certain algorithms. Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html and the USD 25 license is picked up at http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ No virus found in this incoming message. 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Although this doesn’t use audio as a trigger for = visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.

 

http://= www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout

 

you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576=

 

Tony

 

From:= SP Goodman = [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player = activated by audio

 

Actually after = some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes = to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally = supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp = to listen to it.  The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream.  = Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well?  I = haven't fiddled with it in a while.

----- Original Message ----- =

From:<= /b> Dennis Moser

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 = PM

Subject: Re: Video Visualization in = Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same = machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried = this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running = in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it = works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense = to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet = cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it = would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, = rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 = since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, = rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... = basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as = 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each = other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to = my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use = the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=3Dafford the computers!) to = use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of = tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better = if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but = the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we = use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up = is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at = 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser = <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> = wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, = but for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the = most
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a = NiceCast.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would = provide a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can = be configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to = have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into = a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on = the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the = same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in = a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, = Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20= Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300186= 562.


--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




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Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C93C75.B0480580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 06:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAC353BE82; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 06:32:13 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_" X-Originating-IP: [121.45.110.62] From: andrew gallasch To: Subject: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:57:10 +1030 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 06:27:10.0620 (UTC) FILETIME=[09658DC0:01C93CB4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:32:13 +0000 (UTC) --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone=2C (first post!) =20 I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go we= ll above my price range. =20 Is anyone here selling either pedal? =20 otherwise=2C do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals =20 the patches i'm interested in are synth: 1-6 =20 alien: 20=2C21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) =20 28=2C29 =20 thanks for any help _________________________________________________________________ --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey everyone=2C (first post!)
 =3B
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go we= ll above my price range.
 =3B
Is anyone here selling either pedal?
 =3B
otherwise=2C do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals
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the patches i'm interested in are
synth: 1-6
 =3B
alien: 20=2C21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?)
 =3B
28=2C29
 =3B
thanks for any help

 = --_a94f4465-bade-407e-8282-46a5ecea6857_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 06:52:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 778553BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=40/AomIJkRGJ20Bua002E4Yc0rQgC+9FpQbkD+96VKw=; b=gBxjAv4Jrnn86ohBRcS8ZM79ff6Isf7uOxKwsk5eYYFpcAOi/m3RgArP3xFEAHv9nw h5Qk80s6bMfECrLtBKGEBYWyqLVnJmLMS3r8L6b2mqLi4mvfV9aoBbRBc4lUd+XAaBlQ v1KQNymYR3eXM7j0Ffp5XCKfUCxljAJ1RQt2E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uq18kQlgTOxsk5CV3xXnNa8di500LPp3BUbvXq6kO3MKjC6Bwepkoh1s/fsV7yb+rF YeGAAlXmHmXD+sg1pRLuyACWY5JVlA0s+YAEPwNwWDAP05kCJ4J6hDape+N41H0O2PBb rAFlVqUkxKgFQoeWUl6A9ulhqK1oo5uxkc0zo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 23:51:58 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 06:52:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP pedal install it on. Other than that, I thought all the Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP 2100 series rackmount units. I have two XP-300's, and for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point. The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer. The sounds themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step. Of course, the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp. It's unlikely you'll find one for under $200 at this point. TH On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote: > hey everyone, (first post!) > > I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go > well above my price range. > > Is anyone here selling either pedal? > > otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals > > the patches i'm interested in are > synth: 1-6 > > alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) > > 28,29 > > ------=_Part_28586_9596407.1225608718834 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP pedal install it on.  Other than that, I thought all the Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP 2100 series rackmount units.  I have two XP-300's, and for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point.

The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer.  The sounds themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step.  Of course, the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp.  It's unlikely you'll find one for under $200 at this point.

TH



On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch <andyrew671@hotmail.com> wrote:
hey everyone, (first post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go well above my price range.
 
Is anyone here selling either pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals
 
the patches i'm interested in are
synth: 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?)
 
28,29


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(Are you reading, Jeff?) > > Yes, that's a good idea. I'm surprised this > hasn't come up before. > I guess most people either run it as a VST and do the port > merging in the host or have an audio interface that > supports mix > busses. I take the second approach with a MOTU Ultralite. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 14:34:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B18D13BE80; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1588 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:34:32 UTC Message-Id: <03CAF26E-EC2B-4AF5-99E7-52B311AC97F1@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 05:55:23 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 14:34:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've got one I might sell (and yeah, the reverse sounds ARE the enduring ones on it, in my opinion, too); what IS your price range? dc On Nov 1, 2008, at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote: > hey everyone, (first post!) > > I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they > normally go well above my price range. > > Is anyone here selling either pedal? > > otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals > > the patches i'm interested in are > synth: 1-6 > > alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) > > 28,29 > > thanks for any help > --Apple-Mail-49-366304166 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've got one I might sell (and = yeah, the reverse sounds ARE the enduring ones on it, in my opinion, = too); what IS your price = range?
dc


On Nov 1, 2008, at = 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch wrote:

hey everyone, (first = post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on = ebay they normally go well above my price range.
 
Is anyone = here selling either pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to = get the sounds with other pedals
 
the patches i'm interested = in are
synth: 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring = modulator?)
 
28,29
 
thanks for any = help


= --Apple-Mail-49-366304166-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 15:58:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DABE3BE7F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 10:58:33 EST Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i love my xp300 and fear the day that i= t goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i=



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

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Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c9e.3e6510b8.363f2829_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:01:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12B43BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/NJRIYLaMaaC1WW/gmwu+0cY7R2pWbvpPMYrlOOAPoQ=; b=i9YxhVdvD4TZYLuzU6t2Eir0u1/3yeIBGjNWdgKs2ik55/b7ztMJ8qbwag7/Dt1jab oZKVv+dXhGSJd/KedaIWCyq+llueuyV5U2kxejSgSFbrupHYCOlwrjdZGVR5iWOE+FiB xI1q2GUOUtum0Rq/PGMZ1FhVV/6vlAypvsUAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=XiON6HG+UMWxxM2CwS1vH+4H/Zkag7ec6L788hrtxr8TEidomyQsNWfePbR0gH82tP dzcUwcQdTmHFW/37TJZiqA3AFUk6NGsxIliyHXVVU1Ku7meWLgaBCqGw+CpzgMA14xDR 6AEfysxZFGEkAUFYerjzP0OnfosryCGj0eoMQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:01:13 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:01:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM and install it in another XP pedal? I picked up an XP-400 for $50 a few years ago at some blowout sale (worst reverb pedal ever), and I've kept it around for that sort of scenario. TH On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece > of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i > > > > ------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM and install it in another XP pedal?  I picked up an XP-400 for $50 a few years ago at some blowout sale (worst reverb pedal ever), and I've kept it around for that sort of scenario.

TH

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i




------=_Part_29869_14058298.1225641673876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3693B3BE82; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:07:33 EST Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:07:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/08 10:58:53 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes: > i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece > of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i > > > pushed the wrong button again.....too much coffee!......the more i work with it the more interesting i find it......the reverse patches are wonderful but i have been trying to explore the other patches as well and have found some interesting "stuff".....i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/2/08 10:58:53 AM, Nemoguitt@aol.com writes:


i love my xp300 and f= ear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own....= .:(.....the more i




pushed the wrong button again.....too much coffee!......the more i work w= ith it the more interesting i find it......the reverse patches are wonderful= but i have been trying to explore the other patches as well and have found=20= some interesting "stuff".....i would love to have a back up, in fact i would= not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos a= nd 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....= :)m



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cf3.45c0f7e6.363f2a45_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 16:27:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9A43BE79; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PpU4CmlKTX5d2xAoY9E64lzAhGllFhpsx3yrL+aP+mQ=; b=xRWmdd9Wp+6sGsASeqeTjmtpb1cCONLTtOhCpqsiqqTzkLA5G9Dlo5J/W5HA3MvG9w F+oLqhvoIEx9B6eWtbeHeZBam5wg4TkO2iJlhtWg0SXCWlW/qIoMCIyfgLwqVg6heXlt HPFYMGXfQ/MZgUY7eIbuP0vQBCh78UmXtI47s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MZprC0VAWjy0DNFP4s1Dlq5Gvujkhzba8DownWhsT1+vaIacndOXUSx4ZKDmGR0gT8 wNmTB9kgntAkdaxYBmNwfmbYRS8kjvrb8WBwJAUmc+WXQRtybGspny3p3fONqJWEnaZN b7Mta3b4CDLCie6TX1d86nTmEP63rzyxMVgg4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 09:27:24 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For a long time I had a pedalboard with a Space Station going into a Whammy or Whammy II, and both of those boxes were really level sensitive. The headroom between "too little" and "overload" was really touchy. A few years later I put each of those boxes into isolated loops so they were out of the audio path when I wasn't using them, and discovered that they're also real tone-sucks. Once I had them in the loop buffer (one of those Radial pedals), it was much easier to work with them. TH On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM, wrote: > i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 > xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll > never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m > > ------=_Part_30000_1362161.1225643244360 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For a long time I had a pedalboard with a Space Station going into a Whammy or Whammy II, and both of those boxes were really level sensitive.  The headroom between "too little" and "overload" was really touchy.  A few years later I put each of those boxes into isolated loops so they were out of the audio path when I wasn't using them, and discovered that they're also real tone-sucks.  Once I had them in the loop buffer (one of those Radial pedals), it was much easier to work with them.

TH

On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:07 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
i would love to have a back up, in fact i would not be adverse to using 2 xp300's at the same time.....that plus 2 inekos and 2 bitrmen, yikes, i'll never be invited to a hootennanny ever again!.....:)m



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 17:37:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575543BE80; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225647431; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Hu97s4PA3Yo6Kbjnd4PL2kcO+Ag=; b=jDzKLrPBM5lApv5WbZFkEcGwHFgj5jwVM7HJ4BYTigj627z1zTwSJrQg/kHtTCda e5mHJcHTsekQdyN55ww/+HHjNPEqzojKj3S3i45uLDPqf+jmF+Py9MT3vSRgdsro; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fdIyZaEbsUAA:10 a=GK8umlOSb3IA:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=wrqgzB6ziz-dIa9RwmoA:9 a=3v5Bkf9hJDOgoSPc5uoA:7 a=v03CxUPTTfb0cQh0pr4VCraKpGgA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=EfJqPEOeqlMA:10 a=8UL1S1SzPDgA:10 a=hgkmI51mki4wl9v6jZwA:9 a=_ZrOZkAN19Clqojp6osA:7 a=pWFltktv82OFkwZZ1jtwPnBCEJMA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001301c93d11$e76b3130$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:37:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Travis wrote: >"for me the Reverse sounds are the real selling point." Same for me. Patch 10 wasn't it? I use the reverse delay setting on my = dl4 alot but there was a really cool transition when going between = forwards and reverse on the xp-300 that I have not found w/ the dl4. = The Boomerang w/ the + upgrade had a good reverse also but sans = expression pedal transition. This thread has got me thinking again = (ouch). Anyone found a simulation of patch 10 - xp-300 w/ the dl4? Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 1:51 AM Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had to provide an XP = pedal install it on. Other than that, I thought all the Space Station = sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches from the GSP = 2100 series rackmount units. I have two XP-300's, and for me the = Reverse sounds are the real selling point. The Alien effects are just ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a = combination of Slow Gear, chorus, delay and harmonizer. The sounds = themselves aren't super unique, but at the time putting them into a = stomp box was an unusual step. Of course, the Space Station bombed in = the market when it was in production and was quickly discontinued, a la = the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp. It's unlikely you'll find one for under = $200 at this point. TH On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew gallasch = wrote: hey everyone, (first post!) =20 I'm thinking of buying an xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they = normally go well above my price range. =20 Is anyone here selling either pedal? =20 otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds with other pedals =20 the patches i'm interested in are synth: 1-6 =20 alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring modulator?) =20 28,29 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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>"for me the=20 Reverse sounds are the real selling point."
 
Same for me.=20 Patch 10 wasn't it? I use the reverse delay setting on my dl4 alot but = there was=20 a really cool transition when going between forwards and reverse on=20 the  xp-300 that I have not found w/ the dl4. The Boomerang w/ = the +=20 upgrade had a good reverse also but sans expression pedal transition. = This=20 thread has got me thinking again (ouch). Anyone found a = simulation of=20 patch 10 - xp-300 w/ the dl4?
 
Jeff
 
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 = 1:51=20 AM
Subject: Re: looking for a = Digitech XP=20 300 (or info)

Guitargeek used to sell the mod for $165, but you had = to=20 provide an XP pedal install it on.  Other than that, I thought = all the=20 Space Station sounds were all the "wacky-who'd-ever-use-that?" patches = from=20 the GSP 2100 series rackmount units.  I have two XP-300's, and = for me the=20 Reverse sounds are the real selling point.

The Alien effects = are just=20 ring modulators, the "Synth" sounds are a combination of Slow Gear, = chorus,=20 delay and harmonizer.  The sounds themselves aren't super unique, = but at=20 the time putting them into a stomp box was an unusual step.  Of = course,=20 the Space Station bombed in the market when it was in production and = was=20 quickly discontinued, a la the Vortex and Yamaha UD Stomp.  It's = unlikely=20 you'll find one for under $200 at this = point.

TH



On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:27 PM, andrew = gallasch <andyrew671@hotmail.com>=20 wrote:
hey everyone, (first post!)
 
I'm thinking of buying = an=20 xp-300 or xp-1000 but on ebay they normally go well above my price=20 range.
 
Is anyone here selling either=20 pedal?
 
otherwise, do you know how to get the sounds = with other=20 pedals
 
the patches i'm interested in are
synth:=20 1-6
 
alien: 20,21 atari-esque sounds (ring=20 modulator?)
 
28,29



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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C93CE7.FDD5F7E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 19:07:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B95033BE7B; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:07:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <911372.94630.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081102190719.43320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <911372.94630.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Presonus firebox and Mobius help To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Unpl+stYUVpnwEpnPPSZXWhwQGDKeLDalz1CpXI 6o8/52exuGhi7kh7yyJXdn+RRnsCEQCFEhjg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: U8g6foVpbGInWtBtlmVnEhlvcmZ1Zty8 X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: <3lcKwB.A.nJH.ppfDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0000 (UTC) yep :) > Yes Jeff this would be awesome!!! > -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 19:21:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505F23BE72; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:21:56 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <490B4DFF.4060700@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081028233604.18650@gmx.net> <490B4DFF.4060700@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/UyDVEw07UhKrnX17PIpTor8dk3qmUfAtv1QW2V5 lAIGOoZfHoxJQnrlzRHZiNO6zrfQ46qlIOgA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: sJRoCJ5kfW47VpNBjGRo0xhudmllcsWx X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per & Apple/RC-50 folks just an update on my MacBook decision: So, I ended up NOT buying a MacBook now. First, it is really not very clever buying computers for the future (indeed, Stefan!). Most inspiring was actually Per's advice to really use a pedal board case/bag for my RC-50 setup. (thanks very much, Per!!) For all of you guitarists this is probably intuitive - but for me it was not. I've looked into this and I think it is better to have one hard-wired crazy setup then to carry tons of cables/boxes, taking you tons of time before each jam to set it up. I'll probably start off with two ElectroHarmonix bags (or maybe look into PedalTrain, RockBag etc.) ... and the laptop setup just has to wait one more round ;-) Thanks again! :) Buzap -- GMX Download-Spiele: Preizsturz! Alle Puzzle-Spiele Deluxe über 60% billiger. http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/download/puzzle/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:04:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76B743BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=grF/uxA+2xwBClVYM5NL/YC7xa2J907sPW+km70MX90=; b=RhAZ0XhBBbiC2cUI4vlZJmopKJSw9VXuOjatHb89mZmkYL3rcHxUFJEaTxIDUUFXfr 2hBI084GarlJRWKw26A8nCvdWii0kqC+CmV748M1UxjM+SlCCFiHDMHt1uMmYxAfYSbH lu2toZojoBd2PShSvl+Q2uY7S3KU6OaTe4vm8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KQSnFP4X4FQdaEXpK8C+pfL+9FQ6I8cT8S59yX3mpR15F2sM9xssGCF57lC/kCEDmI N+WcHsO1YBHlpsrmpxW9EK+R9LI57MWgbS30d+I+hq+orJrrXS94vdjNvQ2kr1QH38VD Cw4koWsTiF7UmArOZyQ5D+VdRTS+NaJ3i6LAI= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:04:34 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967" References: <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:04:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, final data point for this topic from me: On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer. In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ... So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture? Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! Dennis On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: > Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the > Electric Sheep project is really very cool. > > > > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > > > > you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 > > > > Tony > > > > *From:* SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > > > > Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the > door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on > the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an > active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as > well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Dennis Moser > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM > > *Subject:* Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > > > > Per, > > *GRIN ... thanks! > > "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, > i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it > to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a > possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply > because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to > run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the > background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. > Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate > machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to > you! > > Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable > should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet > crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would > probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather > than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes > would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the > one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you > could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., > and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP > addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my > streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for > our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever > need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. > > To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of > tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work > better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but > the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing > what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd > set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... > > Later! > > Dennis > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > > > > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but > for > > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most > > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured > to > > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have > an > > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > > Dennis, > > That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > > But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > minute...) > > I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > mode during certain algorithms. > > Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > and the USD 25 license is picked up at > http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 > 9:36 AM > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, final data point for this topic from me:

On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer.

In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ...

So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture?

Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.

 

http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about

 

you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576

 

Tony

 

From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well?  I haven't fiddled with it in a while.

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis Moser

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM

Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio

 

Per,

*GRIN ... thanks!

"IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!

Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them.

To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...

Later!

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
> Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>
> 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever
> I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually
> three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for
> purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most
> straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast.
> NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that
> iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to
> just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
> fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an
> old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.

Dennis,

That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable
information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast
server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a
PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?

But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the
same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to
connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same
machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a
minute...)

I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is
VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze
mode during certain algorithms.

Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and
buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins
that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic
Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find
that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and
turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html
and the USD 25 license is picked up at
http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562.


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------=_Part_23603_11303322.1225663474967-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:18:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF053BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5172 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:18:31 UTC Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , Subject: Thanks to all for Y2K8 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 12:52:26 -0800 Message-ID: <6F13E8E0E7304123AC317A1A1240F3EF@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack9LOnSAB3GntLVSQ+YQyCJkuf2Uw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:18:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well another year and another great festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on organizing and the economic woes that trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here before. Musical evolution before my very eyes, that's what I'm talking about! I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this year and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin "Kalimba man" Curtis joining us for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I've performed an entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it is the instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate a scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I wasn't too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, it was the interaction with new and old friends that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting to spend time with old friends like Hidecki "Mandoman" , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob B, and all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy in to making this happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap war stories and information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was marveling today that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity and creativity in music? We had vocalists, an enormous variety of guitar styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top users, sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. Bass players of 4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists, keyboard and synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, a mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists galore. Thanks again to all involved, it was fantastic.. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

   Well another year and another great = festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on organizing and the economic = woes that trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as = strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone = and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here before. = Musical evolution before my very eyes, that’s what I’m talking = about!   I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this year = and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday night, I had = no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very enjoyable with a = highlight being Kevin “Kalimba man” Curtis joining us for some = vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer hand drums and ghatam, = and it was the first time I’ve performed an entire set using just lap = steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it is the instrument that I am = having the most enjoyment playing these days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate a scheduling conflict which = in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I wasn’t too tired from the = weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, it was the interaction with = new and old friends that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new = friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also = getting to spend time with old friends like Hidecki “Mandoman” =  , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many = thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob = B, and  all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks = to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy in to making this = happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly diverse group of artists to = play, hang out, swap war stories and information, and generally have a blast = doing so. I was marveling today that, where else can one go and be able to = see, such diversity and creativity in music?  We had vocalists, an enormous = variety of guitar styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap = top users,  sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, = singer/songwriters. Bass players of  4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists,  keyboard = and synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, =  a mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists = galore.

Thanks again to all involved, it was = fantastic..

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C93CE9.DEEA3FB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:27:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E53C3BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3599 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Nov 2008 22:27:04 UTC Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:26:48 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Moog Guitar In-reply-to: <29401207.1225233413612.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <29401207.1225233413612.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:27:05 +0000 (UTC) MATTHEW STEVENS wrote: > You can hear Barry Cleaveland demoing the moog guitar on my podcast at www.mattstevensguitar.com > Which episode? Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:41:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3CE3BE71; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZqCtGWCwP/Ri1bGbN3EDRrbjQu8qvQlR525+Oh2Xqyk=; b=K1DuAlBNvVATl5IwGVbySfFhaVCQvZcr1bcIp/jVIELiGdvL7NuNjxoUf5MafFRV2s ZH2F4xlOqGNxo1/gmlppUKWNhrHyfDm4fAEbM3ueR3baN1zrp6GAUvWZjtoXygfLKo+r K3lcW9WowFqmzy5pI21zciu/YaJ+HcwgCn/dU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Yz4U+3v8r3tKd05Xc53pq97fRbwGaiRAZ8eSzoz2+eo+kp+EQsjIK9G6J8S0FV6atd i1eMZg40LuA0y9osCrSXSCJq+5By3ZOotcI7WCzHTNWmIFR3CGzmZytZWNW9qVK0q36y nW3Ly7wBEbzBRE3Ck7pnEIwxlWwb9O5YiiIrQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021441j7a0e8f96q3838cc1b4027b48f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works fine. Per On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: > > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer. > > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ... > > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I need to do a video capture? > > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! > > Dennis > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you! >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> Later! >> >> Dennis >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> > >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis whenever >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, actually >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, but for >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the most >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream that >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be configured to >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to have an >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> Dennis, >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> minute...) >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> -- >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> http://audiozoloft.com >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016553BE7F; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 14:41:52 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:41:55 +0000 (UTC) Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the loopfestival this year: From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be increasingly dominated by laptop live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think I only saw three or four people using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were using hardware. I was shocked by this. Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as prolific as posters as the software people. What do you'all think? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA5443BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <4CC12C6D-8A7E-403B-A96F-D539103D533D@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: looper's delight list In-reply-to: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5F136) Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:45:09 -0500 References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8YJInD.A.lMG.T2iDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Laptop systems certainly require more tweaking, and therefor question asking. Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com On Nov 2, 2008, at 5:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the > loopfestival this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I > think I only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were > using hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or > as prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 22:47:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9F93BE77; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=34T2Imx54s+KkyyQoipsAr4lV7eJxuRTisUJnlWnB5M=; b=E4hg+4uiPzsFOZx8ryJc11kCLgHKRm8W9NkhoTnR5Hpj9tv8Rftu9FyqJvzYrCq4ri bKroe/QU98GecPdE3hVZF1JE7/sPc7lKqv1VWn6IiOVVtb6y+0ydThJRbg195+1OrfLC XIgyzpek69KIQuV3Xb1M5kYY+sRjNY1dnT+po= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w8NeRp9FGc/5dL53JqDYYpTM3UHJd4+pEl2njAtKOiDsO8KJquNoJwUQFBhX5Qvcug BAmfm6r9Cr3ZffMGmTn+Embak+VOc1Xuks6dDtlfusth3Sthef+7qEYZD69GOdLYb9b0 btIIS5qSQdVrKYJge3PFXXBgdsjN6QVHS5C44= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021447w797df38apd94314e50b3412e9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:47:22 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:47:23 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as > prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? me thinks it's possible to hack a mail on a RC-50 but you have to stay firm in your belief and hit it really hard! the real challenge is to get it on to them internets. p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:17:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEB73BE81; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 16:17:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Nov 2008 23:17:21.0722 (UTC) FILETIME=[286DC1A0:01C93D41] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:17:23 +0000 (UTC) Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that the avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember the year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there were fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This is just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the outside players, Rick. Either choice, outside or more mainstream doesn't appear to have any impact on audience turnout, based on my last 4 years of playing at Y2K. If anything, the more unusual loopers attracted more interesting listeners. I miss seeing loopers who are on the edge. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the loopfestival > this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think I > only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were using > hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as > prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:32:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037773BE7C; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6VOsyAEzpNvKQzIzKlL9X5O94KgmUqiUblnt7dDj7JM=; b=U0MdA9w6817HAX/9GeGRhCLFElqW/d+TBjJajalRniQq5b9y3psai8iy5ewf5zjMx0 +i8yVdI8683QhjlP9/+EKzipWjlr8S3VIO/1nOZQJ9HHWveW9PNtclL4vrHU/Xiyay8h 5DE7JJmzf/HqJQYiRW6941Z8HsMI6pjFBpfBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MRv571z/O+zLtS42zqQldUB6EY5Y5pbJo9vZ+8eoQZ72ZJxFrY8VRYjYmxxdPotRlD g67Uy8FUgixVNf9q3SYtWDr94/ZrlC6rLg42D7iEt1M4CBmDW1W0h4PM27FIBsLgv1Ol aXTQ0DyrVOBQtjicWS43BQJnV0mmyRr9JRrqw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811021532p20d4a90cp8b70bd07989843b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 00:32:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:32:54 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that the > avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember the > year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop > users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there were > fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This is > just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the outside players, Rick. Kris, did you by "outside loopers" mean people that make music out of the box, ie looking for new land rather than sticking with a tradition? If so I have no comment. But if "outside loopers" means players coming from outside the US there is a simple logistic explanation: Expensive flight tickets for gear and rigid security regulations just rule out players armed with hardware boxes, leaving the laptoppers to swarm the air. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen (former EDP/Repeater/filterbank/mixer hauler now swarming with the laptop locust) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 2 23:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 771BF3BE84; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 18:41:01 EST Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c96.32a8e654.363f948d_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: <0KPRpB.A.jEB.UqjDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:41:08 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c96.32a8e654.363f948d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/2/08 6:17:39 PM, info@krispenhartung.com writes: > This year, I felt as there were > fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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Good to know that it is possible to set up > iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert > set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than > iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running > the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable > to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works > fine. > > Per > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > > > > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: > > > > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the > G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use > "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine > has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it > to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the > "WhiteCap" visualizer. > > > > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the > USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a > guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and > hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the > visualizer kicked in ... > > > > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do I > need to do a video capture? > > > > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! > > > > Dennis > > > > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: > >> > >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the > Electric Sheep project is really very cool. > >> > >> > >> > >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > >> > >> > >> > >> you can see a short documentary about it here > http://blip.tv/file/1233576 > >> > >> > >> > >> Tony > >> > >> > >> > >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] > >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > >> > >> > >> > >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to the > door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what the > WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app on > the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' of > sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an > active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as > well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > >> From: Dennis Moser > >> > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM > >> > >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by > audio > >> > >> > >> > >> Per, > >> > >> *GRIN ... thanks! > >> > >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, > i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it > to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a > possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply > because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to > run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the > background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. > Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate > machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to > you! > >> > >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet > cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an > ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, > it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP > address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of > 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was > running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same > subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses > such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have > five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production > machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted > wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to > spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. > >> > >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of > tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work > better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but > the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing > what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd > set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... > >> > >> Later! > >> > >> Dennis > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen > wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser > wrote: > >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: > >> > > >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis > whenever > >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, > actually > >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, > but for > >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the > most > >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. > >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream > that > >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be > configured to > >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some > >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to > have an > >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. > >> > >> Dennis, > >> > >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable > >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast > >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a > >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? > >> > >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the > >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to > >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same > >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a > >> minute...) > >> > >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is > >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze > >> mode during certain algorithms. > >> > >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and > >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton > >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins > >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic > >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find > >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and > >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is > >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html > >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at > >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. > >> > >> -- > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.myspace.com/perboysen > >> www.stockholm-athens.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin > >> http://audiozoloft.com > >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > >> > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: > 11/1/2008 9:36 AM > > > > > > -- > > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > > http://audiozoloft.com > > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_25528_18935120.1225675212947 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Per,

Just to be clear: that WAS a live concert configuration ... it = would be the same with the wife's MacBook ... and I'd be able to do= a "Video Out" to a projector and then "Oh, wow, man! look a= t the pretty colors!"

*GRIN

Dennis


On Sun, Nov 2= , 2008 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up
iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert<= br> set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than
iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running
the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable
to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works
fine.

Per



On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Okay, final data point for this topic from me:
>
> On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on th= e G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also che= cked the use "Automatic Address" which then used my "externa= l" IP address (this machine has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up= iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it to open a URL (the IP address of my Niceca= st server) and told it to use the "WhiteCap" visualizer.
>
> In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in thi= s case the USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was fe= eding with a guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over = to iTunes and hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit &quo= t;Command/Apple + T" and the visualizer kicked in ...
>
> So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... d= o I need to do a video capture?
>
> Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos!
>
> Dennis
>
> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization= , the Electric Sheep project is really very cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabo= ut
>>
>>
>>
>> you can see a short documentary about it here http://blip.tv/file/1233576
>>
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated= by audio
>>
>>
>>
>> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come = to the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is = what the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run= the app on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it.  The Sho= utcast 'server' of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and= presented itself as an active stream.  Wasn't there a way to take= ports like //linein as input as well?  I haven't fiddled with it = in a while.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Dennis Moser
>>
>> To: Loopers= -Delight@loopers-delight.com
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated= by audio
>>
>>
>>
>> Per,
>>
>> *GRIN ... thanks!
>>
>> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as= you describe, i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same mach= ine and point it to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a possibility of a = performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply because I actuall= y had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to run the softwar= e on ... as soon as the project I am running in the background right now is= finished I will try this and see how well it works. Well, all of that and = the fact that if I have things running on separate machines I can actually = test things more easily ... if that makes sense to you!
>>
>> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethern= et cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an eth= ernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, it= would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP address= , rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of 12= 7.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was runni= ng, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same subn= et ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP add= resses such as 10.0.0.1, = etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have five dedicated IP = addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production machine (G5) and my = streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted wireless network for= our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to spare, should I ever= need (read=3Dafford the computers!) to use them.
>>
>> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a numb= er of tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may wo= rk better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate ma= chines, but the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by= describing what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo si= te that Todd set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ...
>>
>> Later!
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation:
>> >
>> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular= basis whenever
>> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (= well, actually
>> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life c= lient, but for
>> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probab= ly the most
>> > straight forward way of  doing this is to use iTunes and= a NiceCast.
>> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that woul= d provide a stream that
>> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Niceca= st can be configured to
>> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some
>> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate = enough to have an
>> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server.=
>>
>> Dennis,
>>
>> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast=
>> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line int= o a
>> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser?
>>
>> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on= the
>> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has = to
>> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on th= e same
>> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast i= n a
>> minute...)
>>
>> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone i= s
>> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into fr= eeze
>> mode during certain algorithms.
>>
>> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine = and
>> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton
>> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-i= ns
>> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cos= mic
>> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to = find
>> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and<= br> >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is
>> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisa= tion%20Screen%20Saver/index.html
>> and the USD 25 license is picked up at
>> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=3D300= 186562.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom= .com (international)
>> www= .myspace.com/perboysen
>> www.= stockholm-athens.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://my= space.com/usrsbin
>> http://audioz= oloft.com
>> http= ://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - = http://www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: 11= /1/2008 9:36 AM
>
>
> --
> http://myspac= e.com/usrsbin
> http://audiozolof= t.com
> http://u= srslashsbin.angrek.com/



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedi= sh)
www.looproom.com = (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
------=_Part_25528_18935120.1225675212947-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 01:40:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02453BE72; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 766 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:40:33 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 17:27:44 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 9e614308-a946-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlJTHgdvCxgH SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QU82TBQFZWNpamgc HkFacgsaeVZMfxtG alhiBXoJZ3gGZy40 WgY+NDt0ZW0GeHsM T1BWdVxOV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:40:33 +0000 (UTC) hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the > loopfestival this year: > > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be > increasingly dominated by laptop > live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I > think I only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) > were using hardware. > > I was shocked by this. > > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or > as prolific as posters > as the software people. > > What do you'all think? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 03:31:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48B23BE79; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811021532p20d4a90cp8b70bd07989843b6@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:31:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 03:31:12.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[9E974EF0:01C93D64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I meant making music outside of the mainstream box, not playing outside the US. I would agree on your point in regard to flight tickets, etc. Kris > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Krispen Hartung >> Here is an interesting correlation, maybe. In past years, I noticed that >> the >> avant-garde, experiemental loopers tended to use more laptops. Remember >> the >> year when Jeff Kaiser and I played together? There were a lot more laptop >> users then, if my recollection is correct. This year, I felt as there >> were >> fewer avant-garde loopers...explaining less laptops? I am not sure. This >> is >> just a hypothosis. Personally, I liked it when you brought in more of the >> outside players, Rick. > > > Kris, did you by "outside loopers" mean people that make music out of > the box, ie looking for new land rather than sticking with a > tradition? If so I have no comment. But if "outside loopers" means > players coming from outside the US there is a simple logistic > explanation: Expensive flight tickets for gear and rigid security > regulations just rule out players armed with hardware boxes, leaving > the laptoppers to swarm the air. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > (former EDP/Repeater/filterbank/mixer hauler now swarming with the > laptop locust) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:24:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 609943BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6ManwgjwO40A:10 a=V4qxJr0_PWAA:10 a=-zhzpoNooViJkPxOSrEA:9 a=TT426aC8xHrrfRc4aJNDDAuopG8A:4 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 23:24:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton? On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. > > > On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go >> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the >> loopfestival this year: >> >> From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be >> increasingly dominated by laptop >> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I >> think I only saw three or four people >> using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) >> were using hardware. >> >> I was shocked by this. >> >> Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or >> as prolific as posters >> as the software people. >> >> What do you'all think? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:45:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DC6C3BE80; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:45:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 04:45:27.0706 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE3087A0:01C93D6E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:45:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be = "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael I hope not, otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde = back when I was using only hardware. Jeeesh. :) I wasn't suggesting = that using the laptop was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only = that it was one of many possible sufficient conditions. I am just = exploring a a possible coorelation for the last several festivals in = light of Rick's comments. K- ------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>=20 kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be=20 "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael
 
I hope not,=20 otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde back when I = was using=20 only hardware. Jeeesh. :)    I wasn't suggesting that using = the laptop=20 was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was one = of many=20 possible sufficient conditions.  I am just exploring a a possible=20 coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's=20 comments.
 
K-
------=_NextPart_000_00AA_01C93D34.5042AB30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 04:52:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 740573BE7E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 21:52:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 04:52:31.0175 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA98C570:01C93D6F] Resent-Message-ID: <316S5D.A.QxG.QOoDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:52:32 +0000 (UTC) > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), just WORKS. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. > On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > >> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go >> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the >> loopfestival this year: >> >> From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be >> increasingly dominated by laptop >> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think >> I only saw three or four people >> using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were >> using hardware. >> >> I was shocked by this. >> >> Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as >> prolific as posters >> as the software people. >> >> What do you'all think? >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:09:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F3E53BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <6F13E8E0E7304123AC317A1A1240F3EF@williamsteed> Subject: Re: Thanks to all for Y2K8 Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:09:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 05:09:36.0514 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DBF1620:01C93D72] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:09:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was just discussing something with Luis over email, which I wanted to = share. Those of you who were staying with Rick and/or Bill were = fortunate to be able to engage in informal jam sessions outside of the = festival. That is one social element I miss from most of these = festivals, including my own (yet, Rick and I did get a chance to play = together in my garage, along with Rainer in a club in Germany, which was = a real hoot).=20 Many of us go to the event, watch people perform for several hours, play = our 1-2 sets, and then go home, but we never get much chance to = cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are all together at the = event, but not really together in the personal sense. There are many = musicians who I would have loved to play with at prior festivals (Luis, = Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S, Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, Michael = K, just to name a few), even record with to lay down material for = potential CDs. It would be cool if we could setup a back room playing = area and a sign-up list, so that musicians playing at the festival could = play and record with each other. Just think of the potential for = collaboration. Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my next festival = here in Boise.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: William Walker=20 Well another year and another great festival is in the books. In = spite of the late start on organizing and the economic woes that = trickled down in various ways to us, I thought that this was as strong a = year as ever. I was lucky this year to be able to catch most everyone = and I was impressed by both new artists and artists that have been here = before. Musical evolution before my very eyes, that's what I'm talking = about! I was lucky that the gear gods were smiling down on me this = year and with the exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday = night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was very = enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin "Kalimba man" Curtis joining us = for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who played killer = hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I've performed an = entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as it = is the instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these = days. I also had my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening = to accommodate a scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky = break for me, as I wasn't too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As = great as the Music was, it was the interaction with new and old friends = that makes this Festival so worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like = Roberto Z, Luis A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting = to spend time with old friends like Hidecki "Mandoman" , and Ryusei, = who stayed with us during the festival was beyond great. Many thanks to = Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob = B, and all of the artists, you know who you are, and lastly but not = leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a ceaseless amount of time and energy = in to making this happen, and manages to bring together an amazingly = diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap war stories and = information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was marveling today = that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity and = creativity in music? We had vocalists, an enormous variety of guitar = styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top users, = sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. Bass = players of 4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists, keyboard and synthesizer = players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, a mad scientist = or two, and multi instrumentalists galore. Thanks again to all involved, it was fantastic.. 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I was just discussing something with = Luis over=20 email, which I wanted to share. Those of you who were staying with Rick = and/or=20 Bill were fortunate to be able to engage in informal jam sessions = outside of the=20 festival.  That is one social element I miss from most of these = festivals,=20 including my own (yet, Rick and I did get a chance to play together in = my=20 garage, along with Rainer in a club in Germany, which was a real hoot).=20
 
Many of us go to the event, watch = people=20 perform for several hours, play our 1-2 sets, and then go = home, but we=20 never get much chance to cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are = all=20 together at the event, but not really together in the personal sense. = There are=20 many musicians who I would have loved to play with at prior festivals = (Luis,=20 Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S,  Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, = Michael K,=20 just to name a few), even record with to lay down material for potential = CDs.  It would be cool if we could setup a back room = playing area and=20 a sign-up list, so that musicians playing at the festival could play and = record=20 with each other.   Just think of the potential for = collaboration.=20 Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my next festival here in Boise. =
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 William=20 Walker
 

   Well = another year and=20 another great festival is in the books. In spite of the late start on=20 organizing and the economic woes that trickled down in various ways to = us, I=20 thought that this was as strong a year as ever. I was lucky this year = to be=20 able to catch most everyone and I was impressed by both new artists = and=20 artists that have been here before. Musical evolution before my very = eyes,=20 that=92s what I=92m talking about!   I was lucky that the = gear gods were=20 smiling down on me this year and with the exception of 4 o5 false = starts to=20 begin a tune Friday night, I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set = with=20 Rick was very enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin =93Kalimba man=94 = Curtis=20 joining us for some vocalizing. It was great to play with Rick, who = played=20 killer hand drums and ghatam, and it was the first time I=92ve = performed an=20 entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very gratifying as = it is the=20 instrument that I am having the most enjoyment playing these days. I = also had=20 my Sunday night solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate = a=20 scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky break for me, as I = wasn=92t=20 too tired from the weekend to stay focused. As great as the Music was, = it was=20 the interaction with new and old friends that makes this Festival so=20 worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like Roberto Z, Luis A, James = B, Kevin=20 C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting to spend time with old friends = like=20 Hidecki =93Mandoman=94  , and Ryusei, who stayed with us during = the festival=20 was beyond great. Many thanks to Krispen H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, = Jeff=20 Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, Bob B, and  all of the artists, you = know who=20 you are, and lastly but not leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a = ceaseless=20 amount of time and energy in to making this happen, and manages to = bring=20 together an amazingly diverse group of artists to play, hang out, swap = war=20 stories and information, and generally have a blast doing so. I was = marveling=20 today that, where else can one go and be able to see, such diversity = and=20 creativity in music?  We had vocalists, an enormous variety of = guitar=20 styles, a Theremin player, turntablists and beat boxers, lap top = users, =20 sound collage artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. = Bass=20 players of  4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists,  keyboard and = synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin player, =  a=20 mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists=20 galore.

Thanks again to all = involved, it=20 was fantastic..

 Bill=20

------=_NextPart_000_00F5_01C93D37.AFA96660-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:37:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A1F3BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Day of the Dead Performance Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 22:37:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2008 05:37:11.0886 (UTC) FILETIME=[386CCEE0:01C93D76] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:37:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I played a really fun gig the other night with my colleague, sax friend = Brian McFadin. It was a performance held at a Jewish Synagogue hall, the = first performance open to non-congregation members. There were four = acts, all playing to pay tribute to musicians who had passed away in the = last few years. I dedicated our performance to Derek Bailey. The first = act was in the Noise genre, two guys using their laptops to process the = sound track of Forbidden Planet, with the movie running as a = backdrop....very cool. The second act was an old school country band, = like the 1930's to 1950's stuff. We played next, and then next group was = more rock/blues/psychedelic rock. Great span of genres. Anyway, here is our set. I was much more minimalist with the effects = than usul, but was using my random max/msp looper the whole time. Very = enjoyable and dynamic set for me, and one of the few where I felt "in = the moment" almost the entire time. http://www.box.net/shared/nkud7cbnpy Kris ------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I played a really fun gig the other = night with my=20 colleague, sax friend Brian McFadin. It was a performance held at=20 a Jewish Synagogue hall, the first performance open to = non-congregation=20 members. There were four acts, all playing to pay tribute to musicians = who had=20 passed away in the last few years. I dedicated our performance to = Derek=20 Bailey. The first act was in the Noise genre, two guys using their = laptops to=20 process the sound track of Forbidden Planet, with the movie running as a = backdrop....very cool. The second act was an old school country band, = like the=20 1930's to 1950's stuff. We played next, and then next group was more=20 rock/blues/psychedelic rock. Great span of genres.

Anyway, here is our set. I was much more minimalist with the = effects=20 than usul, but was using my random max/msp looper the whole time. Very = enjoyable=20 and dynamic set for me, and one of the few where I felt "in the moment" = almost=20 the entire time.
 
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_012E_01C93D3B.8A78FF00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 05:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63D2E3BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.3 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> References: <015d01c93a8a$bb2a4fe0$0300000a@ERDEMOLD><66f9cc1e0810300843r659ee952w7975 c8e588571a90@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:57:05 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: Re: freeware for macbook pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:57:10 +0000 (UTC) btw, I am looking for freeware "Model maker" for Hartmann Neuron VS. it hard to find now, anyone have it? Sunao At 9:48 PM +0100 08.10.30, Per Boysen wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Erdem Helvacioglu > wrote: > >>> looking for interesting freeware sound design, edit etc tools for mac. any >>> help, links will be much appreciated. > > >In earlier posts answering to this I forgot to mention the Crossfade >Loop Synth and Augsustus Loop from Expert Sleepers. Not "free >plug-ins" but good value for the money. Demo versions available to >make up ones mind. >http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > >-- >Greetings from Sweden > >Per Boysen >www.boysen.se (Swedish) >www.looproom.com (international) >www.myspace.com/perboysen >www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 09:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0063BE77; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=//qu4og+16z0Wl6EgPy3QRDHzYEFBj/sRX/g2wfIMDY=; b=mbeLX+NGK9BcC7rEfmhfWudk9mJXHg1vAJENJ9ADVAUqmrNRv3BBTV7/4sJbQ4TVS0 NzK2j3/tk8RCo0hq0ezNg4S+Ahz4qem+cOe6rbc3He5XGM4eapc0NeAjB7GWu0Bk2Rxt 2PQNq3qpSYXkdGwSGY13R3yUt47aEOBM9LDdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NvbHKqiYFlpNChZW7LkaYSuWrYOi1t8VxvDHXMggOxVEXvGyjJy44XLnq+mKB0pmaS oB1M8qAHpkueP6zJfMaOE/hpR/Eqxc0glU7E1qJlHi0RQK9FTclc3uk8esusNEp48NWD YJlTUUL/kuxoV4w6JrSevXZXgt24TniiPXs+8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811030119l1ed07b93i5776471b812a64a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:19:18 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811010822r3f727d16pcd6fd5807a1d378a@mail.gmail.com> <974D4F2EBDC54ED8BE313DCB331CF74E@eluk1> <000101c93c97$3759a580$a60cf080$@com> <66f9cc1e0811021441j7a0e8f96q3838cc1b4027b48f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:19:20 +0000 (UTC) Sure, but I was talking about me - not you ;-)) My main task is to set up an easy to handle live graphics solution. But since my available time is limited I can't promise I will be able to record video and post (as you suggested us in your latest post). That's what I was trying to communicate. Thanks again for all great information! Per On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Per, > > Just to be clear: that WAS a live concert configuration ... it would be the > same with the wife's MacBook ... and I'd be able to do a "Video Out" to a > projector and then "Oh, wow, man! look at the pretty colors!" > > *GRIN > > Dennis > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >> Great research, Dennis! Good to know that it is possible to set up >> iTunes plus NiceCast on one box. I'm more interested in a live concert >> set-up though. Somehow I also like the Sonique plug-ins better than >> iTunes visualiser, so I think I'll go with a Windows laptop running >> the Audio Visualisation Screen Saver and an extra audio stream cable >> to pop into its mic input. I did a test run on that here and it works >> fine. >> >> Per >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Dennis Moser >> wrote: >> > >> > Okay, final data point for this topic from me: >> > >> > On my G5, I fired up Nicecast v. 1.8.6 (I do run a newer version on the >> > G4 server) and set it to use the "Built-In Server" ... also checked the use >> > "Automatic Address" which then used my "external" IP address (this machine >> > has a fixed IP address, no DHCP). Fired up iTunes v 8.0.1 (12) and told it >> > to open a URL (the IP address of my Nicecast server) and told it to use the >> > "WhiteCap" visualizer. >> > >> > In Nicecast I selected "Audio Device" for the source, in this case the >> > USB Audio CODEC from a Behringer XENYX1204 mixer, whihc I was feeding with a >> > guitar loop from a Boss DD-20 Gigadelay ... flipped back over to iTunes and >> > hit "play" ... lo, there was sound. Then I hit "Command/Apple + T" and the >> > visualizer kicked in ... >> > >> > So there you go ... you can do it on one machine with live input ... do >> > I need to do a video capture? >> > >> > Best to all and looking forward to seeing some music videos! >> > >> > Dennis >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Tony K wrote: >> >> >> >> Although this doesn't use audio as a trigger for visualization, the >> >> Electric Sheep project is really very cool. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> you can see a short documentary about it here >> >> http://blip.tv/file/1233576 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: SP Goodman [mailto:spgoodman@earthlight.net] >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:24 PM >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually after some thinking (and Halloween, we had 350 kids come to >> >> the door last night!), it comes to me that something similar to this is what >> >> the WinAmp player originally supported with Shoutcast... You'd run the app >> >> on the same machine you used WinAmp to listen to it. The Shoutcast 'server' >> >> of sorts ran itself in an encapsulated process, and presented itself as an >> >> active stream. Wasn't there a way to take ports like //linein as input as >> >> well? I haven't fiddled with it in a while. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> From: Dennis Moser >> >> >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:01 PM >> >> >> >> Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by >> >> audio >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Per, >> >> >> >> *GRIN ... thanks! >> >> >> >> "IN THEORY" (*grin), you should be able to do exactly as you describe, >> >> i.e., run Nicecast on a machine, run iTunes on the same machine and point it >> >> to the Nicecast local host/local server at IP 127.0.0. There is a >> >> possibility of a performance hit, but then I haven't tried this simply >> >> because I actually had the (relative) luxury of having a separate machine to >> >> run the software on ... as soon as the project I am running in the >> >> background right now is finished I will try this and see how well it works. >> >> Well, all of that and the fact that if I have things running on separate >> >> machines I can actually test things more easily ... if that makes sense to >> >> you! >> >> >> >> Likewise, your first scenario of using two machines with an ethernet >> >> cable should also work (BUT you MUST use a proper ethernet cable, an >> >> ethernet crossover cable, to get that to work properly. As you describe it, >> >> it would probably be better to a.) have each machine have a unique IP >> >> address, rather than trying to point iTunes to the "local host IP" of >> >> 127.0.0 since iTunes would look for that on the machine in which it was >> >> running, rather than the one running Nicecast and b.) have them on the same >> >> subnet ... basically, you could create a "sub-net" with unique IP addresses >> >> such as 10.0.0.1, etc., and point to them to each other that way). We have >> >> five dedicated IP addresses, two of which are dedicated to my production >> >> machine (G5) and my streaming server (G4); the wife and I use the subneted >> >> wireless network for our laptops, so that I do have 2 more IP addresses to >> >> spare, should I ever need (read=afford the computers!) to use them. >> >> >> >> To exand on what Per and I are gettng at: There are clearly a number of >> >> tools and approaches that can be used to do this. Some of them may work >> >> better if you can parse out the "heavy lifting" on separate machines, but >> >> the tools are there and we should be sharing our experiences by describing >> >> what we use and how its set up to get the effects. The Vimeo site that Todd >> >> set up is certainly a good place to share the outputs ... >> >> >> >> Later! >> >> >> >> Dennis >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Per Boysen >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Dennis Moser >> >> wrote: >> >> > Okay ... some data points, rather than speculation: >> >> > >> >> > 1. iTunes can handle live audio feeds. I do this on a regular basis >> >> > whenever >> >> > I perform in Second Life. Granted, I am using two computers (well, >> >> > actually >> >> > three if you count the one I am using to run my Second Life client, >> >> > but for >> >> > purposes of this discussion you COULD do it with one). Probably the >> >> > most >> >> > straight forward way of doing this is to use iTunes and a NiceCast. >> >> > NiceCast would be your "broadcast server" that would provide a stream >> >> > that >> >> > iTunes would recoginze as a "radio" station. Nicecast can be >> >> > configured to >> >> > just be a "local host" (127.0.0.0) server, so you may need to do some >> >> > fiddling in telling iTunes how to find it. I'm fortunate enough to >> >> > have an >> >> > old, heavily upgraded G4 Mac that I use as a separate server. >> >> >> >> Dennis, >> >> >> >> That's a brilliant idea! Thank you for posting such valuable >> >> information. Do you think it would be possible to run the NiceCast >> >> server on the audio looping MacBook and cable an ethernet line into a >> >> PowerBook that runs iTunes + the Magnetosphere visualiser? >> >> >> >> But if it is possible I would prefer to run the NIceCast server on the >> >> same machine that runs the iTuens vis. That would mean iTunes has to >> >> connect to an "internet radio" link that is local, on the same >> >> machine. I wonder if that can be done? (will read up on NiceCast in a >> >> minute...) >> >> >> >> I think Magnetosphere (iTunes 8) may look interesting if someone is >> >> VJ'ing it by pressing the F key now and then to put it into freeze >> >> mode during certain algorithms. >> >> >> >> Another alternative would be to use a visualizing Windows machine and >> >> buy a license for the Windows application Audio Visualisaton >> >> Screensaver. It comes bundled with all those Sonique visual plug-ins >> >> that I think are a bit cooler in some aspects (Jazz, Acidpunk, Cosmic >> >> Belt and some more). I must say, I was very happy this morning to find >> >> that at least someone did realize in time (before the buy-out and >> >> turn-down) the value of Sonique 1.96. The URL to download is >> >> http://www.3delite.hu/Audio%20Visualisation%20Screen%20Saver/index.html >> >> and the USD 25 license is picked up at >> >> http://www.shareit.com/programs.html?productid=300186562. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> >> >> Per Boysen >> >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> >> http://audiozoloft.com >> >> http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1760 - Release Date: >> >> 11/1/2008 9:36 AM >> > >> > >> > -- >> > http://myspace.com/usrsbin >> > http://audiozoloft.com >> > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> > > > > -- > http://myspace.com/usrsbin > http://audiozoloft.com > http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 09:43:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC08B3BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Hve7YpNjU0FwqfVepENdj5I1MHdh0emVb1GSziYtOwxcm5D6Z2p5/qzKBT89CYftcmHDwCcVgXFDx5qmLfY6BIEKKfzFBLg/EdlGeMUigpAmGfff4tHLHnlgtSqmWxjgCZQn6Qd3Fk14apouwauoc8xpVhDotZwzRWGD1NttcS8=; X-YMail-OSG: Tf_bVZsVM1lqryJKKPdgijT8P07Ygho1gX_1QRacZcOPrz0DxpSfaOAL4BxEO_1olm_CYJmec63cBxUBS3z998DFwXtE1hwUvkrHBv5nn4CLXlnag5kZ7LYFbbKuQQVMCvZy.QlyPYOu3DTSedvxaK1p68Ry2sH3i2DWFt4x8r.N4eHFkez0YpfqlkQrhnuQdPLwIJdv1d1KC4U- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 01:43:22 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <190150.62133.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:43:26 +0000 (UTC) hey Gang, Because of my dislike of computer mouses and virtual mixers i need to get a= compact hardware mixer, ive been checking the edirol M series out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DcwsLvYDgXNc any comments on this or has anybody used them?i am experimenting with my pe= rhaps future flying laptop setup which would consists of a macbook, presonu= s firebox,digital mixer.On the mixer i need at least 2 very good preamps,at= least 3 band EQ,and good on board FXs(specially reverb)to use with voice a= nd acoustic guitars. Also i would have to find some sort of flat case for a= ll of this to have everything conected and ready to go. The g=E4ng cases seem quite nice http://www.gaeng-case.de/benkler/gaeng/homepage.nsf/wstart?OpenFrameSet&Fra= me=3Dmain&Src=3D%2Fbenkler%2Fgaeng%2Fhomepage.nsf%2F(3wContent)%2F%24first%= 3FOpenDocument%26AutoFramed hey giging laptopers any gear pics or examples of your gear? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 10:28:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA093BE7B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <015d01c93a8a$bb2a4fe0$0300000a@ERDEMOLD><66f9cc1e0810300843r659ee952w797 5 c8e588571a90@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0810301348y31890ee1x1cba8cc63acc8911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:27:56 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: freeware for macbook pro Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:28:07 +0000 (UTC) At 2:57 PM +0900 11/3/08, Sunao Inami wrote: > >I am looking for freeware "Model maker" for Hartmann Neuron VS. >it hard to find now, anyone have it? Sunao, I think I may have a copy of it on my old G4 laptop. I did bring my Neuron VS over the big puddle, so I've definitely got that here. I'm not sure if I brought the installation package or just the executables for Model Maker, though. Give me a bit to dig it out and check. I may be able to help you out. --m. -- _____ "we're no longer sure where home is; homesickness is our only guide" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 13:02:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 970A23BE7C; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:02:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/yHQt9NiryFWHzpoJj6i7ntPFERLnTpMM7T9pvlJ Oaa38d4qWyeEfXapYmzcu8a/UHY/T1XPKUUA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: Y8E9fQt1f2IsYv5yl21oZTN4dWxlcxZt X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) > hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. >> Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), just WORKS :) Some thoughts: - Laptops with SW loopers etc. definitely have a higher level of complexity than pure hardware setup. - Naturally, this may result in more questions on LD. - There is more innovation happening on SW loopers currently. - There could be a lot of people out there who do experiment with computer looping but still rely on hardware for performances. Definitely interesting, though. More encouragement for me to stick to my RC-50 setup ;-) best regards Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:27:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5071B3BE77; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BkUl5zLDy2IA:10 a=Z3_4CTqmPD4A:10 a=McHVJGf5M4wDg7LkcMoA:9 a=eIb0qrmgAR73AMMkZ81iEhfUyaMA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:27:51 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:27:54 +0000 (UTC) This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to work. Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:51:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 438273BE80; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IB3DbEmxikpjd/ufhTvJ6Hz4fzYm1XqX21nzA1ORuG/bs5LmodVwBWWDkpGDRanfNH5k9l6glhZka7bdD7lhdIThswtZu234MbVgYRqNUWR2Xzb7GPhxmFdkPXp+3WZ5VeuPjgQMU9pOJO2N+J3qRFbVB/uZGG6+THYwxLXRQXc=; X-YMail-OSG: kdvY10QVM1lb2H7J4Y8a8syCq51bMb1cs3m5X9kShMVzzoVYuMnTg_oPlnjoPtG8ofrYki8ALdYuR7i5tc3JF8stAyCVhUr75dor22pkxQBn5DllK_OqfwG4QyEmcPzEp2cazACJNk2GVY6R8fRdPM._yLw- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20081103125429.18630@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <833274.73124.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanx for your great tips Buzap, i am checking the edirol one out mainly because of its size,the xenyx 1202fx seems also very compact and has all features for the price, and the new mackie pro fx8 which is not available yet looks really good! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Re: Edirol M series compact digital Mixer to use with laptops soundcards etc. > To: labaloops@yahoo.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:54 AM > Hi Luis > > haven't tried that particular mixer, but from similar > experience with the Mackie Onyx with Firewire, here are some > impressions: > Real mixer is great because it's WYSIWYG (what you see > is what you get). You don't have to worry about routing > paths, have direct access to faders etc. Personally, I also > have the Edirol MX-10 (mini) mixer and I like it's > quality and features. The digital mixer should have a > similar feel to it. > Then again, for a Livelooping setup, I would really prefer > a pure audio interface + midi controls. More often than > not, I found a digital mixer quite annoying with it's > limitations: Audio routing/FX sends, Panning, EQ... > Sometimes you just simply would like to be more flexible on > these things, i.e. just press a midi pedal and have a > completely different FX path, or play around with panning > using an expression pedal, or use different presets for > EQing one mic (vocal/instrument)... > If I - one day ;-) - eventually really move to a real > mobile laptop setup, this would be one of the main reasons > for me. > > If you consider alternatives, you might also want to take a > look at the new Motu Ultralite MK3 which has built-in > Compressor,EQ,Reverbs. > But I guess you have your reasons for choosing a > "real" mixer. > > good luck with your setup! > Buzap > > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:54:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E471A3BE87; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=PNr3y5wp+KZ8NmEljjSqT27TLI+hhpvWUqrQcVKEW7fLNnDtCAFYKeQN9gfp9VtmA5bCGtvYhFgtmUqPotW2KpPpbua642YnPyRPRmRGp+w7cb93pZvim6VnUgiBES01XCXsU8Yusf6JjJQz6fBhr5Y8AC63cpIdsr3rRmyBtHA=; X-YMail-OSG: Sg6CbwwVM1l0NBb5WAG0ymg2W58Td65MdK6PMY0k.1ERt4sNmM1Khx9hB3trQSxHF56WDzdQm5uuG4TIK_.dyDAT4k4vp5krjrO5rAMqaiIq4EKD.bdFE2m5zgI5Bl2MdOIYCHPfMvbY9uRnJ8K1ivy6DZY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:54:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <627951.3821.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:54:18 +0000 (UTC) oh man i feel for u,u i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! watch those deceiving hi tech expensive looking bulky FCBs! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Chris Sewell wrote: > From: Chris Sewell > Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:27 AM > This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after > a gig. I > have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was > staring at my > stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of > gear. This > includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, > grabs my > FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and > takes off > through the back door. > At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was > my Macbook, I > take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to > risk > further theft I let him go. > I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects > unit. Thank god > criminals are dumbasses. > My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if > knew what > it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to > work. > > Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. > I needed new > one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 14:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA0573BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CzMX/ZFAOvPX5IXUjUQHlhiJjIM5nHQMjYeaDHCeXQglv5X5K/90uhWkmCEmxhjmlCkxgO8FzPOFd5sUc3t2mVABUWRZDbsA4haWf0zrKjLbG+jLe1etwvvBIm2nQ7Z/KupFwv+xvsG4MxKaTS6J6bCtFxFyuogXhT55aiTCJJ8=; X-YMail-OSG: HOP8Cy4VM1lP_RTKos7s9Usxim1ri0rAyqvxooQrVqoPQQDt1_bSnVRjex0thlCVK_s7Vl0YetvNdjr8Xus4yzgyrjfJUAS9Jil0BXG0hnRsMD5tiJNr0qWpmGev3TwFnW0dtCdO73TOIKRDBXOozLG3_hPupgxykKtM8LotPQlepgUMRplFFi1Y66M- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 06:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <616935.58505.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:56:50 +0000 (UTC) Just reading this pisses me off.I hope karma bites him in the ass. ----- Original Message ---- From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:27:51 AM Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't get it to work. Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:11:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10EF3BE93; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> References: <6CE908A3-5A90-4B6C-AB33-2839345BE6EA@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:11:38 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9UNmND.A.8YE.vSxDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:11:43 +0000 (UTC) At 9:27 AM -0500 11/3/08, Chris Sewell wrote: >Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I keep in a Fender >Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through the back door. >At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was my Macbook, >I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. Not willing to risk >further theft I let him go. Good move. I don't think he had an accomplice, given your description, but the first guy always could've been a decoy so a second could step up and snarf the really good stuff. FWIW, I'd have a couple of friends back you up for the next show or two (preferably rather large friends). That's one thing about criminals, especially the stupid ones. They frequently figure that you've got to get a replacement for whatever it is they just ripped off, so they very well might turn up for a second shot at your gear. If you've got a couple of well-placed friends, they can grab the guy and you can all have fun twisting his arms out of their sockets.... --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:14:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 906333BE94; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=x2JGxdFRLfa3D+GdvrQA/9k4JjjXyerhLxZkx3D5zTuPjbYo8Ji5Fpy3B1pRWR+2cLntp2Wjvk87IR5RBqdhXMS3x/X6oF5CUcJCRH8aFSzs+OY6iho1yKvVOv9iOm6XHRFbx8EoE6MFPZl/L+kIo5JRj7AiRfQMs8Ybc1hG0ds=; X-YMail-OSG: xjJNQQwVM1mLPLdDiKSDRqQZ4OSy0hpgAXJLj_ie.ur3nfxHMbtFsQEcc9S1cJ0r1TqtzMBaeWvDB9NwQ3jMT2dUrP3s.Uf7XWqlD2NGEZEtn5Y7TZsc3CeAVL0FdEkDc3oP5yy0f5PifO22HcZqJfs4Psc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 07:14:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <616935.58505.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <286586.17269.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:14:30 +0000 (UTC) hmm...that would be too easy,how about bites him in the balls? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > Just reading this pisses me off.I hope karma bites him in > the ass. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Chris Sewell > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, November 3, 2008 6:27:51 AM > Subject: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! > > This is great. This last saturday I'm finishing up > after a gig. I have my stuff all packed up. I notice the guy > that was staring at my stuff during the last set kinda > hanging out by my pile of gear. This includes my guitar and > laptop. Now this idiot reaches down, grabs my FCB which I > keep in a Fender Cyber pedalboard bag, and takes off through > the back door. > At first I wasn't sure what he grabbed, thinking it was > my Macbook, I take off. Then I notice it was the FCB bag. > Not willing to risk further theft I let him go. > I'm sure he thought the FCB was a really cool effects > unit. Thank god criminals are dumbasses. > My revenge will be when he tries to figure it out. Even if > knew what it was, I'm pretty sure he still couldn't > get it to work. > > Best $125 ever spent. Off to Daddy's to get a new one. > I needed new one anyway, one of the pedals was getting > weird. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 15:55:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9C23BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1113 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:55:29 UTC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=----_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:36:49 -0600 Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers From: "aaronleese@flyloops.com" Reply-To: aaronleese@flyloops.com To: CC: Message-ID: <52e8285ee64c4118a68d3aad3339296d@windows76178.clientnshosting.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:55:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A=0D=0Awell said ... here, here !=0D=0A=0D=0AI don't know what the ave= rage age of people on this list is ...... but I would suspect that the youn= ger the reader, the lower their distrust of laptops ..... which in recent y= ears have definitely gotten to a point of reliablity comparable to traditio= nal "hardware".=0D=0A=0D=0A----------------------------------------=0D=0AFr= om: "Krispen Hartung" =0D=0ASent: Sunday, November= 02, 2008 7:52 PM=0D=0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0D=0ASubject= : Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers =0D=0A=0D=0A> hm, cou= ld be that hardware just WORKS.=0D=0A=0D=0AYeah, my laptop (a piece of hard= ware running looping software), just WORKS. =0D=0A:)=0D=0A=0D=0AKris=0D=0A= =0D=0A----- Original Message ----- =0D=0A=0D=0A> hm, could be that hardware= just WORKS.=0D=0A=0D=0A> On Nov 2, 2008, at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote:=0D= =0A>=0D=0A>> Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to = go=0D=0A>> into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the =0D= =0A>> loopfestival this year:=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> From being on this list I jus= t assumed that the festival would be =0D=0A>> increasingly dominated by lap= top=0D=0A>> live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) = I think =0D=0A>> I only saw three or four people=0D=0A>> using laptops in= their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were =0D=0A>> using hardwa= re.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> I was shocked by this.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> Maybe the hardwa= re people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as =0D=0A>> prolific as= posters=0D=0A>> as the software people.=0D=0A>>=0D=0A>> What do you'all = think?=0D=0A>>=0D=0A> =0D=0A=0D=0A ------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

well said ... here, here !

I don't know what the average age= of people on this list is ...... but I would suspect that the younger the = reader, the lower their distrust of laptops ..... which in recent years hav= e definitely gotten to a point of reliablity comparable to traditional "har= dware".



=
From: "Kris= pen Hartung" <info@krispenhartung.com>
Sent: Sund= ay, November 02, 2008 7:52 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers = and Hardware Loopers

> hm, could be that hardware just WOR= KS.

Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), = just WORKS.
:)

Kris


----- Original Message -----
=
> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS.

> On Nov 2, 2008,= at 2:41 PM, Rick Walker wrote:
>
>> Coming out of my post l= oopfestival coma that I always seem to go
>> into each year, I n= oticed a really surprising thing at the
>> loopfestival this year= :
>>
>> From being on this list I just assumed that the f= estival would be
>> increasingly dominated by laptop
>> = live loopers but by a cursory count (and this is very cursory) I think >> I only saw three or four people
>> using laptops in the= ir sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were
>> using hardwa= re.
>>
>> I was shocked by this.
>>
>> = Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as
= >> prolific as posters
>> as the software people.
>>= ;
>> What do you'all think?
>>
>


------_SmarterMail_NextPart_4643408277416870-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 16:24:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 939C53BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:24:17 EST Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:24:29 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes: > i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! > boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar case until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes:


i cannot beleive ther= e are still such morons left in this world!


boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great ban= d name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way= back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar c= ase until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him t= o the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!= .....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
Plan your next getaway with AOL Trav= el. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10= 0000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-tra= vel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_cd0.2f4d77ea.36407fb1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:29:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1B323BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 373 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:29:06 UTC In-Reply-To: <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:22:50 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 0b0df813-a9cc-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNVHgdqCxkA SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTYpShgBZWNpbmQd HkJccQUacFFKKklN a1NiBXpeMngGZy40 WgU4YDl0ZW0GJn4E Gl5VJ19IV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:29:06 +0000 (UTC) i perform only with software now. but previous to that i was a =20 repeater looper as many of you know. in my experience it takes subtantially longer to make it all work on =20 the computer. there are multiple reasons for this. for example... ...midi control of the software might be obtuse or lacking. ...or, now you need multiple shareware apps working together to do a =20 single, simple thing you might have previously done with a hardware =20 looper. ....or, if you are relying on shareware, there might be little or no =20 documentation ...often, there are bugs. what you are doing might be so specific =20 that you will be the one to find those bugs. you might not know at =20 first if you did something wrong, or if it was a bug. i'd say i spend far more time online trying to find answers, because =20 i have no manual to thumb through. still, i'm not going back. i enjoyed being able pack my gear in a =20 carry-on this last month!! On Nov 3, 2008, at 5:02 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. >>> Yeah, my laptop (a piece of hardware running looping software), =20 >>> just WORKS :) > > Some thoughts: > - Laptops with SW loopers etc. definitely have a higher level of =20 > complexity than pure hardware setup. > - Naturally, this may result in more questions on LD. > - There is more innovation happening on SW loopers currently. > - There could be a lot of people out there who do experiment with =20 > computer looping but still rely on hardware for performances. > > Definitely interesting, though. More encouragement for me to stick =20 > to my RC-50 setup ;-) > > best regards > Buzap > --=20 > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:39:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696383BE8F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 901 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:39:10 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> <57596B62-DE4F-4D19-91CE-E8959B011DCA@comcast.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:24:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 38a64871-a9cc-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNVHgdsCxwG SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTYrEx5eZWNpYWAe HkJZdgMacwsbeBtN bVFiBXpeMngGZy40 WgU4YDl0ZW0GJn4E Gl5VJ19IV3wGTHYN HTNST31nVQVNfCI9 MwMvMFNUOEEWKkgo KhMoX15QExYIBhJX BUwFJCheP1QbXEJl X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <62zcUB.A.VlH.-czDJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:39:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed yes, Ableton + SooperLooper + MidiPipe + AppleScript On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton? > On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > >> hm, could be that hardware just WORKS. --Apple-Mail-1-465227865 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII yes, Ableton + SooperLooper + MidiPipe + AppleScript


On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:24 PM, Chris Sewell wrote:

Don't you use Sooperlooper and Ableton?

On Nov 2, 2008, at 8:27 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:


hm, could be that hardware just WORKS.


--Apple-Mail-1-465227865-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 17:46:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4977B3BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: wK6bfRgVM1nl4Vr0h6DLCued0P9k0VpjIUjH7hezwIezoAON6kVouEGPR7Z.FUlvWsLZDDFlQ6.6aQSuqaR5Xm9ddxQAtRJcS37O4bMt1NGwLY9YA2JXwd1Pc9iVKXK6sHaAsa0RaHFLFFFSxZ84isY0 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 09:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Wegmann Reply-To: theweg@verizon.net Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-393010637-1225734384=:82667" Message-ID: <120859.82667.qm@web84108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:46:26 +0000 (UTC) --0-393010637-1225734384=:82667 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When this has happened to me in the past I usually butt their head with the= head of my guitar and say opps.... and wait for=A0a response.... My URL http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater My Blog URL http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron! To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:24 AM In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes: i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world! boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band = name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way = back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar c= ase until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him = to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sigh= t!.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..= ... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deal= s! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --0-393010637-1225734384=:82667 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
When this has happened to me in the past I usually butt their head with the head of my guitar and say opps.... and wait for a response....

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater

My Blog URL
http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
From: Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: My FCB was stolen, by a complete moron!
To: labaloops@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 11:24 AM


In a message dated 11/3/08 9:54:41 AM, labaloops@yahoo.com writes:


i cannot beleive there are still such morons left in this world!


boy, i wish my world view were that nice.....:(.....the morons (great band name) are one of the many reasons i never go out.....at one gig in the way back i had a fellow come up to the stage area and begin kicking my guitar case until a dear departed friend, railroad john, not too kindly showed him to the door and this was a straight ahead jazzbo gig, not a bitrman in sight!.....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"..... kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
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--0-393010637-1225734384=:82667-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:13:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 526F23BE85; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225735985; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=cqTt1XMWa9Pki/DrrRxRMj50V2g=; b=fjctHAgJzE1paurbKWULwrYNu2OxZO3/VKN7icuY+opjd8A4ToAXK7aygZ+pzz46 LnkWhoOvBGpEE9J7mFv3HMe5Jgy7Sk2yguKdfQhQ6r4KZB/RSFBTrCN6bOwicoHV; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=m1tIzQ4JaqhUw-q7JRkA:9 a=c3nLpMYOlfgGG1esvjwHvkwxVowA:4 a=vVhpMayxIJQA:10 a=ytkB1yksKT2ihPRkvE0A:7 a=6FBC3Mu1IR7EUOxjYND0SKh-tnkA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: vimeo Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:15:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:13:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable well I took the plunge and i have to say I have learned alot. I got a = little Flip Ultra camcorder, 114$ at amazon,=20 I have to say it didn't go anything like I planned, hours of processing = only to realize some fatal error,lol. Anyway I used two videos one with = a green screen. One is me playing, inadvertantly out of sync with the = music. I superimposed it onto a video of the winamp visualization = plugin Milk Drop 2 that is synced to the music. Lotsa fun. I love = uncharted territories. The loopage is a frippertronic old school style. = Fernandes w/ sustainor, DL 4, DD 20. Off to find a better less glossy = screen at the fabric store. so without further rambling (no sleep). http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 peace, J ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
well I took the plunge and i have to = say I have=20 learned alot. I got a little Flip Ultra camcorder, 114$ at amazon, =
I have to say it didn't go anything = like I planned,=20 hours of processing only to realize some fatal error,lol. Anyway I used = two=20 videos one with a green screen. One is me playing, inadvertantly out of = sync=20 with the music. I superimposed it onto a video of the  winamp=20 visualization plugin Milk Drop 2 that is synced to the music. Lotsa fun. = I love=20 uncharted territories. The loopage is a frippertronic old school style.=20 Fernandes w/ sustainor, DL 4, DD 20. Off to find a better less glossy = screen at=20 the fabric store. so without further rambling (no sleep).
 
http://www.vimeo.com/2141918
 
peace,
 
J
------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C93DB6.3045E900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B6E3BE82; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: vimeo Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:37:09 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 71.240.25.111 In-Reply-To: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: nemoguitt@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39598-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CB0BFA502E3734-1668-D7@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:37:22 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for havin me!".....michael ? http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 ? peace, ? J ----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for havin me!".....michael
 
 
peace,
 
J
----------MB_8CB0BFA507CE4CE_1668_1B5_WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 18:59:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 806D23BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225738745; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=6phcyEjmzV7BLb/uvUBxFFglINM=; b=Hg4IUIziyg4mwI0fiEyB5Cs2Yk7oAXi9zXBV7rTG3qx+i8JKYg2oFs/pJmbGB3aR +kpm7TmVS3Qq59rcaNxgG3jeKN1qC4CvgoTKu0BkVtUKVbtVbA7GJtlBmGRU7OhX; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mG5QNvInJd9goe4y6HEA:9 a=ZOC8sPnA5fw5_4voKQ0A:7 a=WZD6d0LSDUX3Y3sEvobAJvAl9s0A:4 a=fY6DZJ7TNE0A:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=U8ELHDCFx5hxDeB6hVcA:9 a=grD_fOSC0vEW0UEau5wA:7 a=X8oUP3GIryO_voLFU3g4yTtgI-cA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001f01c93de6$8733ef70$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <004c01c93de0$19a87990$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <8CB0BFA502E3734-1668-D7@WEBMAIL-MY20.sysops.aol.com> Subject: Re: vimeo Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:01:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:59:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Right on to that Michael! LD rocks! oh yeah, I can hardly wait for the = videos and tuneage from Santa Cruz! J ----- Original Message -----=20 From: nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: vimeo away with all guitar heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love = the vimeo site.....videos are the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for = all inspiration.....i said it before and i'll say it again "thanks for = havin me!".....michael http://www.vimeo.com/2141918 peace, J -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- McCain or Obama? Stay up to date on the latest from the campaign trail = with AOL News.=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: = 11/3/2008 7:46 AM ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Right on to that Michael! LD rocks! oh = yeah, I can=20 hardly wait for the videos and tuneage from Santa Cruz!
 J
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away with all guitar=20 heroes!!!!!.....it's now video heroes.....i love the vimeo = site.....videos are=20 the ticket.....LD is the BEST place for all inspiration.....i said it = before=20 and i'll say it again "thanks for havin = me!".....michael
 
 
peace,
 
J


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 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C93DBC.9DEB7690-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:02:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6FB3BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 828 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:02:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: OT: solid state drives for audio? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 10:48:37 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 07260663-a9d8-11dd-bc7a-001f29070be2 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlNaHgFgCx8J SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTcJR29GZWFnYGIZ HkZQcE1UdwFMfhlD aU0uXScFfGQGMi59 FQRsNnVpZWxRcnUN HVkHIAgEZnpZViU7 QxEOVS4zFFEIDykp LgIrMRYSG1xZO1g+ MFx2MWVf X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.kestrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:02:28 +0000 (UTC) i'm about to go for a new macbook pro. i'm performing with one from 2006, but i think i should have a backup machine. anyway, i'm curious about the solid state drives. does anyone have any info on whether they are a good/bad idea for live audio? thanks much, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:15:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97B03BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:15:03 EST Subject: Re: Video Visualization in Windows Media Player activated by audio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:15:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes: >=20 > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout > =A0 >=20 thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat=20 visualiztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com a= nd i seem=20 to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are not for fr= ee=20 but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was a hoot.....i= n=20 fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a=20 butterfly"..... kenneth patchen new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot=20 5 Travel Deals!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=3Dh= ttp://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=3Demlcntustrav00000001) --part1_c21.39b13844.3640a7b7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes:



http= ://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=3Dabout
=A0


thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat visua= liztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com and i=20= seem to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are not f= or free but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was a ho= ot.....in fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael



"when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a butterfly"...= .. kenneth patchen

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
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I might just have to break down and do it myself. His code is all public domain. Yet another interesting (and time consuming!) project. :) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, wrote: > > In a message dated 11/1/08 10:00:42 PM, bigtonyk@gmail.com writes: > > > > http://www.electricsheep.org/index.cgi?&menu=about > > > > thanks tony!.....this is nice.....when i had a pc i found some neat > visualiztion programs at a site, if i remember correctly, www.seraline.com > and i seem to remember that some of them were syncable to sound.....they are > not for free but you can try them out.....the one called "photo mismash" was > a hoot.....in fact they were all interesting.....imho.....michael > > > > "when a gorilla looks into a mirror he doesn't expect to see a > butterfly"..... kenneth patchen > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel > Deals! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:36:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54EF3BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 350 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:36:40 UTC Message-Id: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loop List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Why Hardware? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:30:47 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:36:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess it's no longer works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of performance orientation and cost... There's no way I could run any looping software on my macbook without it crapping out - way too much going on on it anyway, I wouldn't even have the hard-disc space for it. To get it reliable enough, I'd need a dedicated looping rig laptop, pimped out and spec'd up, and even then, I've not found anyone with a laptop fast/powerful enough to run a Lexicon 60 second reverb and up to 8 channels of stereo loopage along with all the other stuffs, at low enough latency for me not to feel it. So I'd have to carry an extra laptop, and pedals, and a soundcard, and possibly still run outboard effects. I just can't see the advantage for the way that I want to run things between that and carrying a looperlative and Lexicon MPX-G2. I've heard people play amazing music with laptop set-ups, and with broken pedals. Music is Meta. :) Now, when someone finally brings out a Symbian or Android looper, I might tempted to bypass the laptop generation and just go mobile ;) Steve Where to find me on the web - _______________________ ********************************* *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! --Apple-Mail-27-472828207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess it's no longer = works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of performance orientation and = cost... There's no way I could run any looping software on my macbook = without it crapping out - way too much going on on it anyway, I wouldn't = even have the hard-disc space for it. To get it reliable enough, I'd = need a dedicated looping rig laptop, pimped out and spec'd up, and even = then, I've not found anyone with a laptop fast/powerful enough to run a = Lexicon 60 second reverb and up to 8 channels of stereo loopage along = with all the other stuffs, at low enough latency for me not to feel = it.

So I'd have to carry an extra laptop, and pedals, and a = soundcard, and possibly still run outboard effects.

I just can't = see the advantage for the way that I want to run things between that and = carrying a looperlative and Lexicon MPX-G2.

I've heard people = play amazing music with laptop set-ups, and with broken pedals. Music is = Meta. :)

Now, when someone finally brings out a Symbian or = Android looper, I might tempted to bypass the laptop generation and just = go mobile ;)

Steve

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= --Apple-Mail-27-472828207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:43:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEF573BE88; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=B8MYwzyvphciKfIMKbEdzcdX83xFsEh3hJnKWs3bSWI=; b=jj3Lsi0yT6hMFbb+VeY/8zMnncFKey9BYXkTj963CihI+3qYXy08I8o+IiYPN5MrnG 88Sj7j8oY0XjI0C8e0wTQ+4L/7mB05ANFqc4ZATn8CF5gL9K8sv1cOdViOObrTly3rhS 4opVLXi/0VDX2uikeU1DBUShVHr7fycicDSDg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=vBuZRqhJN8qkWdttC/bMCJqE4T6mAOOFoEFMiVIgYsLc70DJ49mx96p+6BXe8zX2rC v276mxDdMxAjQzyRZ278wQlNPBYGq/2FehJu8hNvvHexbVW8Bk1un1CqEiloq+87nRnv Uevqj+WsyHWFLqHg8Yp9GibtjenSNOSmvY4aY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> References: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: solid state drives for audio? Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:43:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:43:17 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM, info at zoekeating wrote: > does anyone have any info on whether they are a good/bad idea for > live audio? Good: durability, seek time and less battery drain Not so good: price and capacity - but this ought to change soon. http://createdigitalmusic.com/index.php?s=solid+state+drives http://gizmodo.com/search/solid%20state%20drives regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:51:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB8623BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RvkPGC07fyoSt4VMQ6Mdte14bBG5kPblH8eO1c+H3u0=; b=L/vh8ju+qiRQJ6hjqxr4Jkb+m7X6bU+3dxMgxgnfcNgZX7KAmGZjO3pdsIZbJC0C6g 6A6g/En045/JYHy3gYw7ENrQrirO11uJ5NzlC9sfjMzt3uJBUbK4FjgwQ3eNk7JfhQ/a /Gm3dTYMkKBDCuivV5hr20cYytA3t4TLS5nCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=aoS/CT3QQ0Jo4j07BDCkrPeUjvBaWtmmwvYOWsq+FeJnZlXPUfe26KN92AIk1eeL3L EBH0h43EDFiXk0MOljyBGMnRRnKNJ0+U4/QX3iWBe1XGnV8Wcw6A2v1AcKr1Bn8vostv c6hOalBRtzlNgJYLnHTFtnLk+05z5jbuaWTCQ= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811031151w902eda8jde25a07a97ca44e8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 14:51:10 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: solid state drives for audio? In-Reply-To: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) It will also be silent which I would think would be a plus for audio work. Todd On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > i'm about to go for a new macbook pro. i'm performing with one from 2006, > but i think i should have a backup machine. > > anyway, i'm curious about the solid state drives. does anyone have any info > on whether they are a good/bad idea for live audio? > > > thanks much, zoe > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 19:53:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7605E3BE9E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <60777DB6-4D77-4C3D-9807-807CC370EB06@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-474047072 From: Rev Fever Subject: Fripp and Eno Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:51:06 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: <3xkqvC.A.VZD.ra1DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:53:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-474047072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Excellent news! I just purchased the 24-bit remastered CDs of the 2 great Fripp and Eno releases "No Pussyfooting" (1973) and "Evening Star" (1975). These came out some(?)time in 2008, but were news to me. Both of these 2 great albums have been LONG time FAVORITES for me and it is a joy to hear them again in this newly remastered form! Pristine! They also come very nicely packaged and with information. Also, "No Pussyfooting" has 2 disks and they also contain recordings of when John Peel accidently played the submitted reel tapes on his show IN REVERSE, ha ha! The reel tapes had been sent in by Eno with "tails out" and Peel did not realiize that and just slapped them onto the machines and played them BACKWARDS. Eno says he called the BBC radio station to let them know what had happened, and they just said "that's what they all say" as their response. Har! All the best, Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-2-474047072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Excellent news!

I just purchased the 24-bit = remastered CDs =A0of the 2 great Fripp and Eno releases "No = Pussyfooting" (1973) and "Evening Star" (1975).
These came out = some(?)time in 2008, but were news to me. Both of these 2 great albums = have been LONG time FAVORITES for me
and it is a joy to hear = them again in this newly remastered form! =A0Pristine! They also come = very nicely packaged and with = information.

Also,=A0"No Pussyfooting" has 2 = disks and they also contain recordings of when=A0John Peel accidently = played the submitted reel tapes=A0
on his show IN REVERSE, ha = ha! The reel tapes had been sent in by Eno with "tails out" and Peel did = not realiize that and just slapped=A0
them onto the machines = and played them BACKWARDS. Eno says he called=A0the BBC radio station to = let them know what had happened,=A0
and they just said "that's = what they all say" as their response. Har!

All = the best,
= --Apple-Mail-2-474047072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 20:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EA1A3BE7F; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rBk7wSJITYRqRtn/d583HL1c+z0pre8ZfRxfEaSmp4A=; b=pBziYvCxC5HSA5mVam35R7rTRq5aaeBYLaQHAP4r6qGhrRw8q1X4zfb8NohjyX1jjn HhGKTTSPMc5JHqOZu4UBwpKMnYGc6ZhnAcGRuVWCsZ6UR70NSb0qh3nnP64BP1rgiAKS fuP5SmVXRbhW2TCYsgYOhc6n5y4JvgmBd5uo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=WXcpSTDbVQ0/duOI/NRmK4cL04ow8L4SCcyV8MFpw9rjIcNR843JVlat7JPrlyO3j2 OW5bWbqPpL1rNDysLmjLgt1SG6jgmRsSHWv/ZH5paUq3B2oFEU9SV2Fm5hw0Q48yteBp KreQpIAeDgvJDXx1NZ5BTXWil8rynLbtDV5e8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:30:03 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: a026068b804e93ce Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:30:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have though= t about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from hard to software. My music has been very heavily changed by specific pieces of kit, the echoplex being the most pointed. (it was like a sex pistols moment for me, changed my whole way of playing forever). However, Im not sure that Software always leads one to experimentalism. There is not doubt that the sheer AMOUNT of options availble to one as a laptop musicain, is simply staggering, and one that I personally HAVE found overwhelming. For a few years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and althoug= h much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangments. But I never felt that this music was EVER really finished, because I had to hear that mix with a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Just the other day a piece of mine ended up on a program segue her= e on Norwegian TV, and when it took me till the end of the slot before I went... "Wait a minute!!! THAT ME!" I dont even rcognise my own track! With hardware, which I still prefer, I work with that one piece of kit, til= l it is part of me, like a guitar.. I know everything it does and can tame it= , and use it for my own evil, and experimental ends!!! If Im feeling sad, I may play a whimsical sad tune, if Im feeling weird, Ill be weird, same gear= , different mood. I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occasionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, then trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then bac= k to analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting the feeling that Ill never master it... As a for instance, as an Art Director by day, I have recently given up actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and eager designers and directors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 I knew... well... but with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 minutes, I cant keep up!! CS3.... FORGET IT!!! As far as the festival was concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... wish I had been there, I=B4d of shown those namby pamby tunester looper kids wha= t us old noisy fucks can do with hardware!!! M On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen Hartung wr= ote: > > > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be > "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael > > I hope not, otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde bac= k > when I was using only hardware. Jeeesh. :) I wasn't suggesting that us= ing > the laptop was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was = one > of many possible sufficient conditions. I am just exploring a a possible > coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's comments. > > K- > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have though= t about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from hard to soft= ware. My music has been very heavily changed by specific pieces of kit, the= echoplex being the most pointed. (it was like a sex pistols moment for me,= changed my whole way of playing forever). However, Im not sure that Softwa= re always leads one to experimentalism. There is not doubt that the sheer A= MOUNT of options availble to one as a laptop musicain, is simply staggering= , and one that I personally HAVE found overwhelming. For a few years after = a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and although much of it= WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangmen= ts. But I never felt that this music was EVER really finished, because I ha= d to hear that mix with a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Jus= t the other day a piece of mine ended up on a program segue here on Norwegi= an TV, and when it took me till the end of the slot before I went... "= Wait a minute!!! THAT ME!" I dont even rcognise my own track!

With hardware, which I still prefer, I work with that one piece of kit,= till it is part of me, like a guitar.. I know everything it does and can t= ame it, and use it for my own evil, and experimental ends!!! If Im feeling = sad, I may play a whimsical sad tune, if Im feeling weird, Ill be weird, sa= me gear, different mood.

I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occa= sionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, t= hen trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back to = analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im = getting the feeling that Ill never master it...

As a for instance, as an Art Director by day, I have recently given up = actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and eager designers and dire= ctors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 I knew... well... but = with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 minutes, I cant keep up!! CS3.= ... FORGET IT!!!

As far as the festival was concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... = wish I had been there, I=B4d of shown those namby pamby tunester looper kid= s what us old noisy fucks can do with hardware!!!

M

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:

&g= t;=20 kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be=20 "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael
 
I hope n= ot,=20 otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde back when= I was using=20 only hardware. Jeeesh. :)    I wasn't suggesting that using t= he laptop=20 was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was one of m= any=20 possible sufficient conditions.  I am just exploring a a possible=20 coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's=20 comments.
 
K-



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------=_Part_75240_30655876.1225744203652-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:13:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D05DF3BE92; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 750 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:13:09 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: live video from paris show Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:00:35 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 76dadd6a-a9ea-11dd-8155-001185d377ca X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVefTQRGRpo UEhBUlBTHgVoCx8G SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM QTJUfzhYZWdjbWAZ HkZQdE1TdlcbKktD O00uXSZcfGQGMi59 T1ZuYnVpZWwGeHlZ GV5SJlsERUcVE3Yi RhwPGn0hB0oADz06 NR09YkUcG1l5 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.squirrel.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:13:09 +0000 (UTC) someone took video of my performance in paris on oct 23rd. you can kinda see Live and SooperLooper running in the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU-6oigFg0 alas, there was a distracting group of photographers in front of me who i found very hard to ignore From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39C343BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fJ6gGYLIqaUQDXCxakPrOVqYWLhZ7tTP9z3c9H7vzCplvcbuhzS9prfeWbbABrPKezUXAnmYM/v1LE2Q2eWX2EjlbiXAmbjiTpgzlfIfSyOz+jOOT/nNJ+uwOCb1kUuGwb0kMsrQvTzP5K4RbYD9zoudD2ej05K+6tu/RMijFNY=; X-YMail-OSG: LWFMCfwVM1n3b5Ij7tt83.muA5AA2ZicaV1HbNya45XZE8E.QoOgPyG4dwgj714ZiEUMY2q65HCIRcFbc6JFfcrzqb0XhjM.CGqgya2Gst05_L5AxewytddONyV5gR60.8W_q8xFDMcQPe9rUFBtopsR X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:32 +0000 (GMT) From: MATTHEW STEVENS Subject: Podcast To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Word up=20 I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast =3D = if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. Matt www.mattstevensguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 21:53:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C06CD3BE8D; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=HaQX3B8/Oc6/nIgT6B/a1v7mExkHSCXkR/XAae+yn8o=; b=HRyalkkcLvjZ391jvjwqnOfyum9intMvkuJxHVidOsBWOI/L5MBe/xgRtdK73IppDE aNHUCs6XxQcV83CBhxTmjGQdvYUphmQkq8YzgW9BItai0jnex5ves1HTVlkUGBnRONcq ivzuF1udUhTkYEfQ8Z6I1VLnPTWkuxzFknVc4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=oC63y16J9qfy/C5LKOEO3hm+1kxOnqcI0k3X22gPsAr1BDSpb+QMve5JyHHPzE0Mw4 mg2iM7VpaegEp9rT/5SvbM7qYOqFPy0QqB3AWptXmiZf9Su30xq4BtDjDvAK11+x62VZ m77O/FHkZ08Jq4cuFAH3z9CfAda0a/IyufD6c= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:53:06 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1345e9ce1d8777c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 21:53:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_77599_31622585.1225749186958-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 22:04:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6C673BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=LqCrA4DBUxhBQbnuWRFE9i7F3WuzfvzMZElNcP+D5ro=; b=QJYMk7K6QRAVBm6LkgvFR7/CtCnxnjurCZXovWpsojegqolKZE+uND2ar/1iA7YvjD pMKwBjJsZi9hOTohshy/lNAk6UKDMRZIwJF5UAwXqF9lH1mloM1WAVOi82vGdZ8C8bX+ 38cixSFrc7XMmUEOIwJR4iFNoFw5BQgh2+Mt8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RWCmbWNEIzOFon6dNT6EyRlTRC3Ao30gY3qFxSZJn0ogk72EjNkdVQNbWYg0nAXkow PKlijIJWaXeSY3Amqp2sxphmfPhJb9FcIOLJGHBrT0bmMQz3qExQogSu4QjD2S5/sqEC PzETFWChcjBARpdoXcP1eLcLbnIdEMoE7RjCw= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:04:12 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914" References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:04:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... > just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly > save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_1047_32414827.1225749852914-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 22:59:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E2C873BE91; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:59:15 UTC Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:01:59 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-reply-to: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <26C2B052-8E3A-4D8F-9DBC-44010A7235BD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 22:59:15 +0000 (UTC) > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you > yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! Will do. > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and > possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > We're trying...and keep your fingers crossed. Hopefully our national nightmare will soon be over. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:08:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E023BE8E; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=4qIhGAtfqwo3NuGMi/mvPIas/scR4lBrx7sVu8u+sPw=; b=MN1ypQROs98SbXh7el6xDz3QGpvzAlYmkaADf3Ob7I4xsxJ7/BB/c0R7aYimUyHcAx Xi/fu/tNlw/k4NYTo/yj/2B5mwBD9fT48VjTNvx0kYV4taEmS5rjVFmZZmA5voETcG/5 Os8BTiw2WvKnpmEfabXw0dYFuWbtaRlBHwn0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=erSc0IY+xk5J53SfcA9vnggCkOpWtOIxo99a8xc59ALUMeAe3qQGSy5jgCYrrqeN+B AwHPFGM/uQnzFQSZP1rRwkHxJXMOpdFWhwIekGgY0FvECqD5KWn44ZjYdpDfsAGXSrYw ltVWegnm5TgGkROnDfpldQ7QdzfSmaq+9Bfg4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811031508r6c472c58n6605a893008a67bd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:08:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What's experimental? (was: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:08:54 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:30 PM, mark francombe wrote: > For a few > years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and although > much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and > arrangments. Hey - songs, structure and arrangements are great ways to experiment! Music being experimental doesn't have anything to do with how it sounds, it means the music is part of an exploration process. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:12:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7013BE92; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3M0yPId8wGVFAGfEfhUmfA0F56WI17bxA+pnxLniCh8=; b=B+SThRqglzrHOUgBE9gZuVgtJjfSEstc4ZTBPi3PcY8sH2WRhI0SdqriqealXNNtxF 87yCxYh+G7zuvHCmkhdhQUsD9UgEfdn3p/DMwhW5Mj0oaS8sFJbv35JEGbbRRXvZSmja eJtOBN0wnTyo4y0MDnvhuFrXPU8CV5TpIwqeQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OC8FKlmIY1OdNcezhNSgTAB+F5woDWrPaLLkUH/2G7BBwTUWpDgMFHAky6WBCd+sp0 1gN7uVxYV0QFWS93C+1wpuxSDM8kIkmnnzTC19MfCPU+PODZo2eYOSRH79+eWlD0TweB nbzu8RIyTbO7FLP7m714JDMweOovEpqIq4icg= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811031512w73ce1c02mc197008c8545aff1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:41 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Podcast In-Reply-To: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488" References: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:12:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Matt, I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my website to see if it's the sort of thing you want! www.kaylakavanagh.com Many thanks, Kayla 2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS > > > > Word up > > I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if > anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. > > Matt > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > > -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Matt,

I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my website to see if it's the sort of thing you want!

www.kaylakavanagh.com

Many thanks,

Kayla

2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com>



Word up

I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch.

Matt

www.mattstevensguitar.com




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Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
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------=_Part_29759_133041.1225753961488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:34:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8793BE8B; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <385F44B8B46244FFB69C1EA38126B9DA@bobdell> From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:34:44 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Voted by mail weeks ago. I totally agree. Get out and vote everybody. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Voted by mail weeks ago.  I = totally=20 agree.  Get out and vote everybody.
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93DC9.B1FF28E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:40:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7313BE8A; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 564 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:40:08 UTC X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1755467527 Message-ID: <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: harryesq@aol.com X-Priority: Normal References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com><9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! 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Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <733610A4F8B04D69B2227586BE0558DC@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:06 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 1BF9C8CF0009421BF9CA1C Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <0hjJV.A.D2E.J04DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Everyone should exercise their right to VOTE! Just one of many reasons = why is that, when you vote, you're having an effect on the future, = usually one that affects YOU. VOTE AMERICANS. AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR VOICE. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: loopers-delight=20 Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:53 PM Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you = yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!=20 You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Everyone should exercise their right to VOTE!  = Just one=20 of many reasons why is that, when you vote, you're having an effect on = the=20 future, usually one that affects YOU.
 
VOTE AMERICANS.  AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR = VOICE.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: loopers-delight =
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 = 9:53=20 PM
Subject: OT: VOTE = GODDAMIT!!

As someone living on the other side of the world, from = you you=20 yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all = realize=20 that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, = although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho...=20 vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/u= ser/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C93E0E.32E4CED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:45:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF23D3BE94; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=xQqv2F1TGYqVIG8A8HN8fvjeErkIPMrhfgTCoKra8RPWVwyWpt8x4nPWYLuWhkTt3GcNsjWio3XeeLd6ugPP0GL4hEa+nb2qI90mMvcPCZRzFIB3Y0Fhawxr1Qgf4J2M; Message-ID: <20081103174544.v3eijlescg0sg80o@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:45:44 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com><9e0440a60811031404q5f5960afx468bfcee3fa42cf1@mail.gmail.com> <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <1755467527-1225755040-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032535531-@bxe185.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Already voted last week. Working all day tommorrow as a Polling Place Captain. -- Kevin Quoting harryesq@aol.com: > Done that! > Sent from my BlackBerry=EF=BF=BD smartphone with SprintSpeed > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jim Goodin" > > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:04:12 > To: > Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! > > > echo'ing from the main land... thanks Mark > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > >> As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... >> just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! >> You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possib= ly >> save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. >> >> seriously tho... vote! >> >> >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >> www.looop.no >> > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitar= s > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:48:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0450B3BE95; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1243 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:48:43 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=IFNMFm/tUL+plHptwwIDJsYSVLEgMeZ9jqFTxQxWdJnQhcYZ8m/iaZnQsZgnDCi9; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31424901.1225754879590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:27:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Todd Howell Reply-To: Todd Howell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 X-ELNK-Trace: 303a3acd514d41c871639b933de7ae6f7e972de0d01da94056a8ce911c715cc8577e6aaa40c71ee1350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.43 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perh= aps a tad far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Goodin
Sent: Nov 3, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers= -delight.com
Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!!

echo'ing from the= main land... thanks Mark

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, mark francombe <= mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
As someone living on the other sid= e of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE= !!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

ser= iously tho... vote!



-- www.markfrancomb= e.com
http:/= /vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.mys= pace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



-= -
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
M= ySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinap= aintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.co= m/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other c= reative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com= and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel= Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:48:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569453BEAE; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:48:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: Ack9/o/H6eXrf/LTSTWoRoVmukS0pAAEBlAA Message-Id: <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/84999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:48:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You bet I will. dave As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01C93DDC.6C4B1850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You bet I = will.

 

dave

 

 

 

 

 

As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you = yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and = possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/u= ser/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no

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In-Reply-To: <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 600e188baf03e2a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:51:54 +0000 (UTC) I tried to loop the sound of me writing in my votes into a beat, but was not very successful. perhaps i'll get some samples from the polling booths tomorrow. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > You bet I will. > > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just > an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly > save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:52:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E953BEB9; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5LK4qWg+P4N6z2K/9o2L5hBnPWzaUkJi+AYTi91du1o=; b=O1IdflEaYkun2P02CAscmsx/O42psVSAEumqrvMp0Gy2eTJ39oqsySDvMKD856sdig sjFnGH8JDq7HZl7NuibY2lmWqX8h4TFXJK6dvST3xiL1ElDRsM2Z8z0kjLBIhgCJ99tq Ri2Ue4JLhy+8pJOcwdZ1e6K6Cc5G+F8y7J1Co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=WozD3v5z9WluQmbRmuwKnNoDdDziAk6y1Px6azqh5EwHPcf1BRV2yUi3Qt+LV+uh8Q XdHvjLaKF43dEuqaymQ0TT8ooT4RLBKoG6cSSxwqyY8VOVG+0RkS7vh5Z2i/FrGGjPpq NKLFdcbBOuO3d8YE+hyti2yS4As4UptHx+nas= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:52:11 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-Reply-To: <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57355_16630121.1225756331277" References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> <20081103234852.0A0C23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57355_16630121.1225756331277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You bet I did! On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > You bet I will. > > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... > just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly > save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > -- c.white http://magicicada.com http://myspace.com/magicicada ------=_Part_57355_16630121.1225756331277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You bet I did!

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> wrote:

You bet I will.

 

dave

 

 

 

 

 

As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no




--
c.white

http://magicicada.com
http://myspace.com/magicicada
------=_Part_57355_16630121.1225756331277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 3 23:55:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067E13BEAE; Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=yzL5Q+Ouc6Fod9biSjTtp2Y98WksXdNP3Mvro/vpBuc=; b=I0XCnwRkoFxDaJA7Kfx8Y8Oe4VPOC1Ta5K/DRVgurQV1ehlZbm86ARLrt0/BpbAdkB ElHT6UB6y4i2UgHqRJyzRdlJKGyLBfpgU87gJ6adkKac5n4d6ae3NJs2sZHoSaKI/HRI nmMRQTQ+72kyrvff5ta5wn1OmAdEDL45tfajA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=D9zNC5Q7j7eh7zJshaObjMYE1EqAfU79yS3O2bF4emWejPSNWf43aL50IjYIbIYfiL PdpN9yDPzd5ExjBeSMx67lkH7YACP0D/iyPabz8IWIBmCiYXcrLPa/O06LmQQD1G3mtE Dxx4T8EzsWQ0/99+I7GDUNS1fk739kmO4/B38= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811031555i68c36881g461642ceb0678c33@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:55:33 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? (was: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811031508r6c472c58n6605a893008a67bd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80513_18719349.1225756533503" References: <66f9cc1e0811031508r6c472c58n6605a893008a67bd@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6676e9e8a8c8db02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:55:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_80513_18719349.1225756533503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline heh heh.. pedant... of course you are right!! On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:30 PM, mark francombe > wrote: > > For a few > > years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and > although > > much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure > and > > arrangments. > > > Hey - songs, structure and arrangements are great ways to experiment! > Music being experimental doesn't have anything to do with how it > sounds, it means the music is part of an exploration process. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_80513_18719349.1225756533503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline heh heh.. pedant... of course you are right!!

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:30 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
>  For a few
> years after a bad accident I used only laptop to produce music, and although
> much of it WAS experimental, I DID keep coming back to songs, structure and
> arrangments.


Hey - songs, structure and arrangements are great ways to experiment!
Music being experimental doesn't have anything to do with how it
sounds, it means the music is part of an exploration process.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_80513_18719349.1225756533503-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:02:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12E73BEAE; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1480 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:02:20 UTC Message-ID: <20081103182959.N8X2D.814942.root@mp18> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:29:59 -0800 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Cc: Jeff Shirkey In-Reply-To: <26C2B052-8E3A-4D8F-9DBC-44010A7235BD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:02:20 +0000 (UTC) yesterday at an early voting location in Los Angeles county. Wow. thousands and thousands and thousands of people. Never seen the likes... We got there an hour before voting opened and waited for almost 5 hours to vote. the most bizarre thing was, that despite having to wait several hours to cast their vote, i didn't witness one single person have any sort of 'meltdown'. everyone was overwhelmed by what was happening, but they all took their wait in stride. >From southern california, where people have a meltdown behind you if you wait 30 seconds for light to turn green before making a right turn, or will freak out if someone doesn't get their caf/half caf/frappamochalattechino with extra caramel JUST RIGHT..... yesterday was brilliant! so... yeah... go vote. rich ---- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you > > yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > > Will do. > > > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and > > possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > > We're trying...and keep your fingers crossed. Hopefully our national > nightmare will soon be over. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:03:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3813BEAE; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <31424901.1225754879590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net > References: <31424901.1225754879590.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net > Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 15:58:24 -0800 To: Todd Howell , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:03:28 +0000 (UTC) At 4:27 PM -0700 11/3/08, Todd Howell wrote: >Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perhaps a tad >far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........ I'll settle for pulling America back from the brink of destruction. Bush has done a hell of a lot of damage to this society and to the rest of this planet. The prospect of a president who would lead with intelligence and compassion is almost too much to hope for. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:07:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FCE33BEC3; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <490E2CB0.2070800@cruzio.com> <562CE007-8101-44F4-BDCC-E5DE878B2392@zoekeating.com> <20081103130219.18650@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:07:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 00:07:09.0213 (UTC) FILETIME=[478674D0:01C93E11] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:07:11 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- in my experience it takes subtantially longer to make it all work on the computer. Ain't that the truth! Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:19:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23BDB3BEA0; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=zo0E4WVuZA4yXD6m77tkHdt5QZHe15UlRA/0adCobleepo5GdAReNSjz041HmJbL5W+C2J6uE5/VDQOOFRyL8EoJms88f8Uhx49N2GI/7kaXlYw5FXA/tfoo0GbCC2VxkUKDdOoZ9B4SXuAIJPibVCXj5KoTw6qhOa4D5XLiU4Y=; X-YMail-OSG: kLL9bGMVM1kHaLheXJhJtuZq6FkC5JHun95xs02qaMc4dObLbw5tN_vYT5Ixwg13WDHcZCRl6pm5ZZyaU8dWNz_PsOMGllbfXTS.zhOLA74JMEFI6nNmS8EURvwoMw0vqa1BvYNZCdUVO0_TCAgDUNIU.F9SSTw.3_.Y2isjJzxJ8A.8UMm5VQZP8zxa X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:19:05 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1230933605-1225757945=:93311" Message-ID: <93615.93311.qm@web110306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:19:07 +0000 (UTC) --0-1230933605-1225757945=:93311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry... I screwed it up for everyone... :-( video provided - please watch.=A0 Especially if you want to remind others t= o vote... =A0 Watch it here: http://www.cnnbcvideo.com/index.html?nid=3DEp8dVGcMWLg7lJbgfd0UyTI1NzY4MA--= &referred_by=3D464756-lcYY0_x=20 ** This message certified virus-free by ViruMail 2.1 ** --- On Mon, 11/3/08, David Gans wrote: From: David Gans Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! To: "Todd Howell" , Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:58 PM At 4:27 PM -0700 11/3/08, Todd Howell wrote: > Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perhaps a tad far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........ I'll settle for pulling America back from the brink of destruction. Bush has done a hell of a lot of damage to this society and to the rest of this planet. The prospect of a president who would lead with intelligence and compassion is almost too much to hope for. --=20 David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans --0-1230933605-1225757945=:93311 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I'm sorry...
I screwed it up for everyone... :-(
video provided - please watch.  Especially if you want to remind others to vote...
 
Watch it here:
** This message certified virus-free by ViruMail 2.1 **


--- On Mon, 11/3/08, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
From: David Gans <david@trufun.com>
Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!!
To: "Todd Howell" <ransacker@earthlink.net>, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 3:58 PM

At 4:27 PM -0700 11/3/08, Todd Howell wrote:
> Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perhaps a tad
far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........

I'll settle for pulling America back from the brink of destruction. Bush
has done a hell of a lot of damage to this society and to the rest of this
planet.  The prospect of a president who would lead with intelligence and
compassion is almost too much to hope for.




-- 
David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans
--0-1230933605-1225757945=:93311-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:22:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61D573BEB9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3160 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 00:22:43 UTC Message-ID: <20081103192242.C4IJ3.817540.root@mp18> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:22:42 -0800 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <7cesgD.A.z7G.TX5DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:22:43 +0000 (UTC) but what did everyone expect? if someone came to you with a resume that indicated that on EVERY job they had before, they gave money away to their friends, made a total mess of things and left before the building collapsed and someone else had to clean up afterwards? would you hire that person? probably not but hey, that what we did. his resume is littered with disasters, and we still thought it would be ok cuz he seemed like a guy you could have a beer with. sheesh. ---- David Gans wrote: > At 4:27 PM -0700 11/3/08, Todd Howell wrote: > >Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perhaps a tad > >far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........ > > I'll settle for pulling America back from the brink of destruction. > Bush has done a hell of a lot of damage to this society and to the > rest of this planet. The prospect of a president who would lead with > intelligence and compassion is almost too much to hope for. > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE453BEC9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=MNZOwmZFDPLmgVJocsbfu/YQA4FlINPgAvTK5W3/eX6JLAh3VXcoeri7JQGpztodCfHP9Tb8zPoC2eyAbFXPDEvsakH5jAV2KzocMa9fTaVZKNzy4ZQT4y/T2Ha0qYQyfvLmdIe0mSe9J6bjwEkLprM6BlOXia4xTdQIkiZar8Y=; X-YMail-OSG: YA9c5rgVM1nIWZgKmyZ8mLVG_CSMebeLI1DJ6kI00_auLMaC2TsJX2M9aKekov_7F37b9J78I7g7vTRcM33UiVpTeoH_JznLme3hNvNIuTQUJa7165hrG1Ne4wQHNumC0gfD0Q0NUOnssnADXjkZdpVd7XVzhCfwRJiD8TM- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:23:03 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-325086385-1225758183=:38992" Message-ID: <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-6RRpB.A.7_G.oX5DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:23:04 +0000 (UTC) --0-325086385-1225758183=:38992 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occasi= onally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, the= n trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back to an= alysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting the = feeling that Ill never master it...=0A=0ABut after a while you go through t= hat cycle enough times that you don't need to do it anymore since you've im= plemented all the things that you can conceive=A0of. That's when you realiz= e that you have created a custom looping instrument that exactly meets your= specifications. I think Per is the Per-fect example of this. I've seen scr= eenshots of his Bidule/ Mobius looping environment (Per, you are in fact my= laptop looping inspiration!). No way you could pull that off with a dedica= ted hardware unit. =0A=0AEven for my simple requirements, I find the Bidule= /Mobius combination to be so powerful, I really don't think there is anythi= ng I'd want to do that I couldn't pull off with this setup. I've looked at = hardware units, and none of them had everything I wanted (though honestly I= didn't give the Looperlative as thorough an investigation as it may have d= eserved).=0A=0AIt does take longer to sort this stuff out, to be sure. But = with Mobius, I've been on a plateau now for a couple of months where I have= n't been programming anything other than occasionally changing the footswit= ch setup in the POK to reduce=A0operator error rate. I haven't gotten in to= Mobius scripting yet, but I haven't needed to. That will definitely be the= next frontier. Just as soon as I've integrated some more guitar synth cont= rol stuff in to my playing...always something new!=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=0A = --0-325086385-1225758183=:38992 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
>>I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occasionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, then trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back to analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting the feeling that Ill never master it...
 
But after a while you go through that cycle enough times that you don't need to do it anymore since you've implemented all the things that you can conceive of. That's when you realize that you have created a custom looping instrument that exactly meets your specifications. I think Per is the Per-fect example of this. I've seen screenshots of his Bidule/ Mobius looping environment (Per, you are in fact my laptop looping inspiration!). No way you could pull that off with a dedicated hardware unit.
 
Even for my simple requirements, I find the Bidule/Mobius combination to be so powerful, I really don't think there is anything I'd want to do that I couldn't pull off with this setup. I've looked at hardware units, and none of them had everything I wanted (though honestly I didn't give the Looperlative as thorough an investigation as it may have deserved).
 
It does take longer to sort this stuff out, to be sure. But with Mobius, I've been on a plateau now for a couple of months where I haven't been programming anything other than occasionally changing the footswitch setup in the POK to reduce operator error rate. I haven't gotten in to Mobius scripting yet, but I haven't needed to. That will definitely be the next frontier. Just as soon as I've integrated some more guitar synth control stuff in to my playing...always something new!
-George

--0-325086385-1225758183=:38992-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:24:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52B603BED0; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225758270; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=iODoqUD2ZxiYnNIyXDPfFBZtJoo=; b=ghcwPDN2ERtQZC7LPzqfEMgvltFIb42G1mDHoUS36gcaFhsa8zDK3uRsL0Qdk9Er 6hHu7qWL+Sm9rJZd0+XZq39rRzunoTzR+Y+MFjkn61PA4g4XxDPNeZJXEN/5GWrX; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=s_tXU9uwAAAA:8 a=3OMzQ-2_AAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=NW_uXF3xAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=YJLL5JH-DDSMzGOOm18A:9 a=mLpc16pm253aCX-llGAA:7 a=Y325KXjfQ-6aH2Hp3HILtpVa4kcA:4 a=BZXmTW5_bXcA:10 a=V24Q6T7sujcA:10 a=2GgsJQ8HDMIA:10 a=oOX0lASgjZsA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=jgFIvOWqR8MA:10 a=7xfzUyEEBgWHkYu-w-QA:9 a=IAFXzR5lSG-tCudnHDYA:7 a=vsdu9YTmYpzP5NUiL34srv6zVLwA:4 a=ucU4abU9hHwA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <005901c93e13$fd1a4db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <1f6442e00811031512w73ce1c02mc197008c8545aff1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Podcast Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:26:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0056_01C93DEA.139B0D60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:24:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C93DEA.139B0D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Of course Matt, any music I have up is yours for any use. Let me know if = ya need anything. Jeff http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918 http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kayla Kavanagh=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Podcast Hi Matt, I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my website to see if = it's the sort of thing you want! www.kaylakavanagh.com Many thanks, Kayla 2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS Word up I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler = podcast =3D if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. Matt www.mattstevensguitar.com --=20 Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: = 11/3/2008 4:59 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C93DEA.139B0D60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Of course Matt, any music I have = up is=20 yours for any use. Let me know if ya need anything.
 
Jeff
 
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http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 = 6:12=20 PM
Subject: Re: Podcast

Hi Matt,

I'd love to be involved if you want to = check=20 out my website to see if it's the sort of thing you want!

www.kaylakavanagh.com

Ma= ny=20 thanks,

Kayla

2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS <mattstevensguitar@btinte= rnet.com>



Word=20 up

I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and = Sampler=20 podcast =3D if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in=20 touch.

Matt

www.mattstevensguitar.com

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------=_NextPart_000_0056_01C93DEA.139B0D60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:25:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B597A3BE8A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:25:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A5_01C93DD9.2AD2DEB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 00:25:31.0710 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8AA25E0:01C93E13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A5_01C93DD9.2AD2DEB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, I love this discussion. Here's a little secret about my preference = of gear. If I could find a two space hardware device that could hook up = to my MIDI controller, and I could run max/msp, reaktor, any VST = (including Mobius, etc), I would probably buy it and then I'd be back to = hardware. And I don't mean some portable computer devise that has shit = handing off of it and a flimsy display, but a real solid rack unit that = with pro durability. The Muse Receptor would fit the bill, but it has = its own lack of flexibility that I can't cope with. If it ran max = patches and any VST, that would be cool.=20 For me it is about options and flexibility. That is the bottom line. I = didn't go to the computer because I disliked hardware, but because I was = sick and tired of being boxed in (no pun intended) by a limited set of = features, or having to build a 20 space rack to get the features I = wanted. A traditional hardware looping devise to me is like a one trick = pony (or a 10, 20, or 30 trick pony). That fact that it has limitations = bothers me. With the computer and max/msp, the only limition is my own = adequancy to program what I want....and I'm pretty damn inaduate at = programming max/msp. I borrow a lot of stuff and patch it together. I = go with the computer not beacuse I like the computer, but because I = love what I can do with it. Otherwise, since I work on the computer all = day, I hate the damn thing and with I didn't have to use it to make = music. That's way I make these random looping and effect patches...so I = can get away from the blasted compouter when I play. I loath it on = stage. I just want to get away from and play my instrument.=20 My dream hardware box is a solid black box with no dials or buttons. = Only a guitar input, and two balanced XLR outs. I plug in, walk away, = and it performs like a virtual human looper/effector = accompaniest...makes decisions, is creative, reacts to what I do, etc. = :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 I think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have = thought about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from = hard to software. My music has been very heavily changed by specific = pieces of kit, the echoplex being the most pointed. (it was like a sex = pistols moment for me, changed my whole way of playing forever). = However, Im not sure that Software always leads one to experimentalism. = There is not doubt that the sheer AMOUNT of options availble to one as a = laptop musicain, is simply staggering, and one that I personally HAVE = found overwhelming. For a few years after a bad accident I used only = laptop to produce music, and although much of it WAS experimental, I DID = keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangments. But I never felt = that this music was EVER really finished, because I had to hear that mix = with a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Just the other day = a piece of mine ended up on a program segue here on Norwegian TV, and = when it took me till the end of the slot before I went... "Wait a = minute!!! THAT ME!" I dont even rcognise my own track! With hardware, which I still prefer, I work with that one piece of = kit, till it is part of me, like a guitar.. I know everything it does = and can tame it, and use it for my own evil, and experimental ends!!! If = Im feeling sad, I may play a whimsical sad tune, if Im feeling weird, = Ill be weird, same gear, different mood. I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it = occasionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want = to do, then trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, = then back to analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and = already Im getting the feeling that Ill never master it... As a for instance, as an Art Director by day, I have recently given up = actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and eager designers and = directors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 I knew... = well... but with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 minutes, I cant = keep up!! CS3.... FORGET IT!!! As far as the festival was concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... = wish I had been there, I=B4d of shown those namby pamby tunester looper = kids what us old noisy fucks can do with hardware!!! M On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen Hartung = wrote: > kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be = "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael I hope not, otherwise I'd be saying that I wasn't playing = avant-garde back when I was using only hardware. Jeeesh. :) I wasn't = suggesting that using the laptop was a necessary condition to be = avant-garde, only that it was one of many possible sufficient = conditions. I am just exploring a a possible coorelation for the last = several festivals in light of Rick's comments. K- --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_01A5_01C93DD9.2AD2DEB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Man, I love this discussion.  = Here's a little=20 secret about my preference of gear. If I could find a two space hardware = device=20 that could hook up to my MIDI controller, and I could run max/msp, = reaktor, any=20 VST (including Mobius, etc), I would probably buy it and then I'd be = back to=20 hardware. And I don't mean some portable computer devise that has shit = handing=20 off of it and a flimsy display, but a real solid rack unit that with pro = durability. The Muse Receptor would fit the bill, but it has its own = lack of=20 flexibility that I can't cope with. If it ran max patches and any VST, = that=20 would be cool.
 
For me it is about options and = flexibility. That is=20 the bottom line. I didn't go to the computer because I disliked = hardware, but=20 because I was sick and tired of being boxed in (no pun intended) by a = limited=20 set of features, or having to build a 20 space rack to get the features = I=20 wanted.  A traditional hardware looping devise to me is like a one = trick=20 pony (or a 10, 20, or 30 trick pony). That fact that it has limitations = bothers=20 me. With the computer and max/msp, the only limition is my own adequancy = to=20 program what I want....and I'm pretty damn inaduate at programming = max/msp. I=20 borrow a lot of stuff and patch it together.  I go with the = computer =20 not beacuse I like the computer, but because I love what I can do with = it.=20 Otherwise, since I work on the computer all day, I hate the damn thing = and with=20 I didn't have to use it to make music. That's way I make these random = looping=20 and effect patches...so I can get away from the blasted compouter when I = play. I=20 loath it on stage. I just want to get away from and play my instrument.=20
 
My dream hardware box is a solid black = box with no=20 dials or buttons. Only a guitar input, and two balanced XLR outs. I plug = in,=20 walk away, and it performs like a virtual human looper/effector=20 accompaniest...makes decisions, is creative, reacts to what I do, etc.=20 :)
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----

 I=20 think Kris has made an interesting point here, and one that I have = thought=20 about myself when wrestling with the notion of swapping from hard to = software.=20 My music has been very heavily changed by specific pieces of kit, the = echoplex=20 being the most pointed. (it was like a sex pistols moment for me, = changed my=20 whole way of playing forever). However, Im not sure that Software = always leads=20 one to experimentalism. There is not doubt that the sheer AMOUNT of = options=20 availble to one as a laptop musicain, is simply staggering, and one = that I=20 personally HAVE found overwhelming. For a few years after a bad = accident I=20 used only laptop to produce music, and although much of it WAS = experimental, I=20 DID keep coming back to songs, structure and arrangments. But I never = felt=20 that this music was EVER really finished, because I had to hear that = mix with=20 a new plugin or maybe backwards, or or or or... Just the other day a = piece of=20 mine ended up on a program segue here on Norwegian TV, and when it = took me=20 till the end of the slot before I went... "Wait a minute!!! THAT ME!" = I dont=20 even rcognise my own track!

With hardware, which I still = prefer, I work=20 with that one piece of kit, till it is part of me, like a guitar.. I = know=20 everything it does and can tame it, and use it for my own evil, and=20 experimental ends!!! If Im feeling sad, I may play a whimsical sad = tune, if Im=20 feeling weird, Ill be weird, same gear, different mood.

I am = blown away=20 by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it occasionally, but I = feel=20 more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to do, then trying to = write some=20 code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back to analysis, and more=20 programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting the feeling that = Ill=20 never master it...

As a for instance, as an Art Director by = day, I have=20 recently given up actually DOING the work, rather tell the young and = eager=20 designers and directors in my charge what to do... You see Photoshop 5 = I=20 knew... well... but with Adobe bringing out new versions every 5 = minutes, I=20 cant keep up!! CS3.... FORGET IT!!!

As far as the festival was=20 concerned... I guess it was just a fluke... wish I had been there, = I=B4d of=20 shown those namby pamby tunester looper kids what us old noisy fucks = can do=20 with hardware!!!

M

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:45 AM, Krispen = Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>=20 wrote:

>=20 kris.....does one need to use a laptop to be=20 "avant-garde"?.....hmmmmmm.....michael
 
I hope not, = otherwise I'd=20 be saying that I wasn't playing avant-garde back when I was using = only=20 hardware. Jeeesh. :)    I wasn't suggesting that using the = laptop=20 was a necessary condition to be avant-garde, only that it was = one of=20 many possible sufficient conditions.  I am just exploring a a = possible=20 coorelation for the last several festivals in light of Rick's=20 comments.
 
K-



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
<= A=20 = href=3D"http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe">http://uk.youtube.com/u= ser/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_01A5_01C93DD9.2AD2DEB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 00:26:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B46673BE98; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:26:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B3_01C93DD9.45AC7F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 00:26:16.0839 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3904970:01C93E13] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:26:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B3_01C93DD9.45AC7F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed. I voted via the mail 2 weeks ago. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_01B3_01C93DD9.45AC7F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed. I voted via the mail 2 weeks=20 ago.

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_01B3_01C93DD9.45AC7F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 01:07:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6AF73BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 19:10:12 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! In-reply-to: <20081103192242.C4IJ3.817540.root@mp18> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <20081103192242.C4IJ3.817540.root@mp18> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:07:24 +0000 (UTC) > > but hey, that what we did. Hey, speak for yourself. I never voted for the guy. (I'm guessing you didn't either...) > we still thought it would be ok cuz he seemed like a guy you could > have a beer with. sheesh. Way back in the day, you could've done a few lines with him, too. That didn't stop millions of dumb Americans from voting for him either. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 01:14:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADE553BE8A; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Y2K8 Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:15:02 -0800 Message-ID: <7AA9FF97BE2943158E2313EBAF2CF95D@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C93DD7.B851C780" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ack+GsNDH8goit+wRhmessbQD6woFA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:14:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C93DD7.B851C780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I failed to mention what a brilliant job Mark Hamburg did this year photographing and documenting the event, and then in the 11th hour, mustering the energy to play a lovely set to close the show Sunday Night. I finally got a chance to look at the ones you took of Rick and Myself and of my solo set and they are fantastic. I look incredibly young and sexy and vibrant and awake.well maybe the last thing I said is true, but in any event thanks and sorry for unintentionally leaving you off my group shout out of thanks. Brain fart. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C93DD7.B851C780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I failed to mention what a brilliant job = Mark Hamburg did this year photographing = and documenting the event, and then in the 11th hour, mustering = the energy to play a lovely set to close the show Sunday Night.  I = finally got a chance to look at the ones you took of Rick and Myself and of my solo = set and they are fantastic.  I look incredibly young and sexy and vibrant = and awake…well maybe the last thing I said is true, but in any event = thanks and sorry for unintentionally leaving you off my group shout out of = thanks. Brain fart.

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C93DD7.B851C780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 01:15:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ECD93BE93; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=m65ppkZnEypN1VNT/5Sjm+pCpl/yv6zTqUlDc7j2BNCRPKv8ZWpTbUp5u84ISiy0iTBwM8nHY5JS2/1/glTyfEVfXhceFvQ/XqbLxVACImBqfOevhPkbscRvVkkb8he8Xfa6cYpL0wNsdE21CYvvRcjpXa+cRdP2ID97fJQltrY=; X-YMail-OSG: aFBFn7EVM1kWm5Gy28aAMciyLqlwW.8H.DpiZ5OXhpRkEGT7zYMmRyByxd4OD6W_KlVrsxvJyeyisDyQvEdEPp4gp9CvQS12IJDtwOwI4XNEcg5Pl0zuya_pX2kpX_r6RQm9NNwAet65Leys_LTeUpUeW6GZFkayDbljpJoh5uDES5dYnA4KwvRWirY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081103192242.C4IJ3.817540.root@mp18> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <468740.44844.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:15:27 +0000 (UTC) I could more or less forgive the US for voting for him the first time...and= after all, he still had to steal the election. But it's the fact that the = country elected him A SECOND TIME, having already gotten to know him, and h= e was elected by a record voter turnout, and with no chad-gate shenanigans = that we know of, that I find unforgivable.=0A=0ASo those of you wanting eve= ryone to vote, I say be careful of what you wish for. The population as a w= hole of the United States=A0really is hopelessly screwed up, and we all get= what the majority deserve.=0A=0AAnd yes, I AM voting,=0A=0A-George=0A=0A= =0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Jeff Shirkey =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Monday, Novemb= er 3, 2008 5:10:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!!=0A=0A=0A> =0A> but= hey, that what we did.=0A=0AHey, speak for yourself. I never voted for the= guy. (I'm guessing you didn't either...)=0A=0A>=A0 we still thought it wou= ld be ok cuz he seemed like a guy you could have a beer with.=A0 sheesh.=0A= =0AWay back in the day, you could've done a few lines with him, too. That d= idn't stop millions of dumb Americans from voting for him either.=0A=0AJeff= =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 01:49:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7D83BE8D; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_bebc4928-dc08-4b00-9503-b039bb27cba3_" X-Originating-IP: [222.123.19.21] From: Jeremy devros To: Subject: RE: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 17:49:22 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 01:49:22.0308 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F227C40:01C93E1F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 01:49:23 +0000 (UTC) --_bebc4928-dc08-4b00-9503-b039bb27cba3_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a Yank currently enjoying the beauty of Thailand=2C I watch the news tha= nkful for 1.) JUST news of the election and 2.) No damn political ads! You are so right and everyone feels it! I talked politics with Dutch=2C Bu= lgarian=2C Chinese=2C and Thais today over breakfast. Everyone everywhere i= s concerned about how this will turn out. Crossing my fingers and bowing to Buddha in Chiang Mai J.D.Devros deafrose58 Date: Mon=2C 3 Nov 2008 22:53:06 +0100 From: mark@markfrancombe.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! As someone living on the other side of the world=2C from you you yanks... j= ust an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!=20 You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and possibly= save the world=2C although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. seriously tho... vote! --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008= --_bebc4928-dc08-4b00-9503-b039bb27cba3_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a Yank currently enjoying the beauty of Thailand=2C I watch the news tha= nkful for 1.) JUST news of the election and 2.) No damn political ads!
Y= ou are so right and everyone feels it! I talked politics with =3B Dutch= =2C Bulgarian=2C Chinese=2C and Thais today over breakfast. Everyone everyw= here is concerned about how this will turn out.
Crossing my fingers and = bowing to Buddha in Chiang Mai

J.D.Devros
deafrose58

D= ate: Mon=2C 3 Nov 2008 22:53:06 +0100
From: mark@markfrancombe.com
To= : Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!!
As someone living on the other side of the world=2C from you you yanks...= just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!!
You must all realize that tom= orrow you can all make history... and possibly save the world=2C although m= aybe thats a tad optimistic..

seriously tho... vote!



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www.markfrancombe.comhttp://vimeo.com= /user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://w= ww.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no

Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotm= ail. Try it = --_bebc4928-dc08-4b00-9503-b039bb27cba3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:01:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D173BE94; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <0d7f2e326842f04fce6e1c8b8bfaf3b5@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:01:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1xnFz.A.lME.G06DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Hi There, I agree with everyone's sentiments, doggone it. Get out and vote everybody! Here in Oregon we register at the DMV when we renew our driver's=20 licenses and then conveniently vote from home (by mail in our BVDs if=20 we want to) weeks before most other folks do. No booths, no hole-punching machines, no intimidation, no trauma. I used to live in Southern California where it was always a hassle to=20 find the polling place (they frequently change from election to=20 election) and get in and out of there during a half hour lunch break=20 from work. Oregon's Motor-Voter Registration and Voting by Mail is the way to go. I voted the day I got back from Y2K8. Whatever, whenever, get your butts out there and vote. Let's all push back the darkness and enlarge the daylight a little for=20= a change. Like some comedian of yore used to say about elections: "Vote early . .=20= . and often." Best regards, Ted Killian "I=92ve gotten the scary feeling, for the first time in my life, that=20 dimwittedness is not just on the march in the U.S., but that it might=20 actually prevail." -- Bob Herbert, New York Times On Nov 3, 2008, at 1:53 PM, mark francombe wrote: > As someone living on the other side of the world, from you you=20 > yanks... just an OT reminder to VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! > You must all realize that tomorrow you can all make history... and=20 > possibly save the world, although maybe thats a tad optimistic.. > > seriously tho... vote! > > > > --=20 > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:37:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E733BE8E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1876 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 02:37:09 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <0d7f2e326842f04fce6e1c8b8bfaf3b5@charter.net> References: <9ab0c76f0811031353g523fd73ct1b2e8e375be43d5f@mail.gmail.com> <0d7f2e326842f04fce6e1c8b8bfaf3b5@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E5F3944-8788-4C52-941A-4CE812B176EE@lividinstruments.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Nyboer Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 18:05:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <_OV_0.A.YFG.VV7DJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) > if someone came to you with a resume that indicated that on EVERY > job they had before > This sorta strikes at something I've been thinking about...When palin came on the scene, the chatter was that people liked her because "she was like them" or "like a neighbor." Bush was a "guy you could have a beer with" (uh, except he's an alcoholic...). I'm longing for a simple re-framing of this process from "friend" to "co-worker." I mean, Palin might be kinda fun to have as neighbor or comrade (heh, heh), but I'd like people who think of her as a "friend" to ask themselves "would I want to work with this person? as a boss? as a subordinate?" It just seems that if you are going to boil this choice down to something you can relate to in your tiny world, as something that's intimate or familiar, the work reference just seems WAY more relevant than the friend reference.... Pete. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 02:45:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E15093BE93; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 20:45:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <20081103192242.C4IJ3.817540.root@mp18> Thread-Index: Ack+E3VM/0oqjCUfSmueflcdy4VOewAEoGIg Message-Id: <20081104024506.834CE3BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:45:06 +0000 (UTC) I don't think that's what happened. I think when the Ohio subpoena of Mike Connell gets active and his testimony is taken, we'll get a better idea of what happened in 2000, the 2002 Alabama governor's and Georgia senate races, and the 2004 collection. Google the names Connell Spoonamore and see what comes up. Mainstream media has yet to touch it, AFAIK. dave but what did everyone expect? if someone came to you with a resume that indicated that on EVERY job they had before, they gave money away to their friends, made a total mess of things and left before the building collapsed and someone else had to clean up afterwards? would you hire that person? probably not but hey, that what we did. his resume is littered with disasters, and we still thought it would be ok cuz he seemed like a guy you could have a beer with. sheesh. ---- David Gans wrote: > At 4:27 PM -0700 11/3/08, Todd Howell wrote: > >Duly noted Mark. The whole saving the world bit is perhaps a tad > >far-fetched as you have noted. Voting........ > > I'll settle for pulling America back from the brink of destruction. > Bush has done a hell of a lot of damage to this society and to the > rest of this planet. The prospect of a president who would lead with > intelligence and compassion is almost too much to hope for. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 03:18:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D22EA3BE8E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WWg6u65WImh1CRrtPGXi6BZEbhozJBanC/idhpNba7o=; b=ISezHzOYaLUnnz5Lvd6YFtHLylnx+Mf/tPXPx31dkid81Cox5gO6K8fzJG0wM6wFyF QaGDiN7bO31D1IBDGjcxkTipDYdItZ7IhK1HhIeXPhLwt30bYIdyTL84RCRiF+fwp/g3 GUYDAmd6WkLpJv8OzGaXc81Y1VhYyimelOchs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Rl42s47ZPvW2WXayaEIDmQE/izS/fYTT3ShjZvawZ3cRGE0SoRmHhfYMCQEwq7EZaE A5PzMkj4WNDiOTGibin2S+Tn1ArvX/X9vUwZogbUzjA+8+zSZO4+DNl9vvrPeh+1kTce UB+6LkDKSkOorlGkeGz/PJnXv6T+Wj95EdRhI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0811031918ode43cgcca391803a82d03a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 19:18:28 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: solid state drives for audio? In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811031151w902eda8jde25a07a97ca44e8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49DE36A0-342A-420D-A0B8-F0D926DA7BA1@zoekeating.com> <9ea2f30b0811031151w902eda8jde25a07a97ca44e8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 03:18:29 +0000 (UTC) I don't know about the macbook pro, but aftermarket SSDs can vary widely in speed. Particularly in write speed, which is important for digital audio recording. Except in some narrow applications, I don't think they are quite ready for prime time yet. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > It will also be silent which I would think would be a plus for audio work. > > Todd > > On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:48 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: >> i'm about to go for a new macbook pro. i'm performing with one from 2006, >> but i think i should have a backup machine. >> >> anyway, i'm curious about the solid state drives. does anyone have any info >> on whether they are a good/bad idea for live audio? >> >> >> thanks much, zoe >> >> > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net art.simon.tripod.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 05:40:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538F73BE87; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:40:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4f304282-5655-4a11-8f91-5627a17608db_" X-Originating-IP: [121.45.252.249] From: andrew gallasch To: Subject: RE: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:10:18 +1030 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 05:40:18.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[D1EC0EE0:01C93E3F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:40:19 +0000 (UTC) --_4f304282-5655-4a11-8f91-5627a17608db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 That you can=2C but where do you get that from=2C short of buying an xp-300= ... (might need extra RAM too... don't know) =20 i've got an xp-100 i bought cheap that I want to "do up" to xp300 specs=2C = it'd cost so much to send it to the States and back for the jetpack mod tho= ugh... =20 Date: Sun=2C 2 Nov 2008 09:01:13 -0700From: travishartnett@gmail.comTo: Loo= pers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 = (or info)I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM and install it in a= nother XP pedal? I picked up an XP-400 for $50 a few years ago at some blo= wout sale (worst reverb pedal ever)=2C and I've kept it around for that sor= t of scenario.TH On Sun=2C Nov 2=2C 2008 at 8:58 AM=2C wrote: i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece = of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i=20 _________________________________________________________________ --_4f304282-5655-4a11-8f91-5627a17608db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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That you can=2C but where do you get that from=2C short of buying an xp-300= ...
(might need extra RAM too... don't know)
 =3B
i've got an xp-100 i bought cheap that I want to "do up" to xp300 specs=2C = it'd cost so much to send it to the States and back for the jetpack mod tho= ugh...
 =3B
Date: Sun=2C 2 Nov 2008 09:01:13 -0700
From: travishartnett@gmail.comTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: looking for a Digi= tech XP 300 (or info)

I wonder if you can just pull the XP-300 EPROM= and install it in another XP pedal? =3B I picked up an XP-400 for $50 = a few years ago at some blowout sale (worst reverb pedal ever)=2C and I've = kept it around for that sort of scenario.

TH


On Sun=2C Nov 2=2C 2008 at 8:58 AM=2C <=3BNemoguitt@aol.com>= =3B wrote:
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= --_4f304282-5655-4a11-8f91-5627a17608db_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 06:00:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1513BE81; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YJvftT2aeiF6rxgsngedBwkcg5Xa4J69/xJzmdPly1k=; b=K336ktpumYaFi6GGPHg3iukAbFPqZN9ruiAYf4sIXYGbC1eEgGzULlS5ileuJ9mT4P c61abeLL7lR4qUu68E3ejF3pQ7/gzrIUfleTp6no31jV5brEiYo0sW4w5cQ737q218Ja hBzmolhblGzUiBEKuN7EzPtI9f9JiB1MFnxJU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Y2tvqO/p9XLaBbsDtlOR7DhF8auOBBkRsl4LZ6Pzye19AM9d62RSMkSRKYH5J1Mbet 6sUvSdE3WxBBBt+G1TYKDy9BmMUCc1TZnroF7wnUJfDnSKDR78wGRBUGv/b3YgmPQ6/B 2wstcBGo3viDVq3sO2+vQ6geHsgQkPCjLTl3g= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 23:00:19 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looking for a Digitech XP 300 (or info) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_44982_5543276.1225778419672" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:00:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_44982_5543276.1225778419672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was referring to the guy who already has one and is worried that it'll die one day. My theory is that you wouldn't need another XP300--if you've already got one and it stops working, I'm guessing that it's not the EPROM that dies. You take the EPROM out of your non-functional Space Station and put it into one of the far more common Whammy Wah XP-100's. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM, andrew gallasch wrote: > > > > > That you can, but where do you get that from, short of buying an xp-300... > (might need extra RAM too... don't know) > > > > > On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > > i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece > of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i > > > > > > ------------------------------ > ------=_Part_44982_5543276.1225778419672 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was referring to the guy who already has one and is worried that it'll die one day.  My theory is that you wouldn't need another XP300--if you've already got one and it stops working, I'm guessing that it's not the EPROM that dies.  You take the EPROM out of your non-functional Space Station and put it into one of the far more common Whammy Wah XP-100's.

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM, andrew gallasch <andyrew671@hotmail.com> wrote:



 
That you can, but where do you get that from, short of buying an xp-300...
(might need extra RAM too... don't know)
 



On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 8:58 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
i love my xp300 and fear the day that it goes south like every other piece of gear that i own.....:(.....the more i






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Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 08:36:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 211023BE89; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=J69ATUOjqPc3QwzMGDOKo7nIhjyhiqoMq8IPXurSbJdvLhgh+BIIaorYLn1zPrQafMsGZC+XQPBCDmaxwyykD9KcKYvxOi2lgF0ayoYpAUGJXxPHl2b+CWfevzlNPP4rf89HOT+APlNk2n4+Y2s7B/92b7YwxqI37NT2VF9c10s=; X-YMail-OSG: o8N1KEwVM1kvK4wPoRzg0PnVjk0o2pVFbN8jY8YjGuxNogv4g5NY0c1zcMrJ.vZZtA-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:36:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Podcast To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005901c93e13$fd1a4db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <604029.53387.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:36:01 +0000 (UTC) me too Matt. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Jeff Duke wrote: > From: Jeff Duke > Subject: Re: Podcast > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:26 PM > Of course Matt, any music I have up is yours for any use. > Let me know if ya need anything. > > Jeff > > http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace > http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 > http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918 > http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayla Kavanagh > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 6:12 PM > Subject: Re: Podcast > > > Hi Matt, > > I'd love to be involved if you want to check out my > website to see if it's the sort of thing you want! > > www.kaylakavanagh.com > > Many thanks, > > Kayla > > > 2008/11/3 MATTHEW STEVENS > > > > > > Word up > > I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars > and Sampler podcast = if anyone is up for letting me play > some mp3's get in touch. > > Matt > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > > > > > > -- > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > FaceBook: > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release > Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 08:49:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54CCE3BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ixqKP408f90JqjVr2kR9no2Q8IipMVvdyFp/RrsZtX0ZMK7eDz0ezFKAnjR9lNGryZV60IPNeYjTxACmPXI/tufcn/+eZdBQ4WnzSOJz4vE28BG5zuVgI+nxKGjO9yYPa6fDoUwIO0k7qMP/s4a6Hdeki170kbBqKGFabt9niUQ=; X-YMail-OSG: ZLjrh_MVM1m99y6S_kVENWEelArZQYHSS_dTgN7kJ6uMTcVscp7Htn9i3g97fO580pmznkKzdJ.PbszWnKO0octylfJ7WuUOZY5e.sfhctLCyeC2hHSAZfLi7u3ZBBTdtlxNiXNe5Gp6d22goaQ4uWX.9MjwyCkSYpUs3VxL6grlbls6jj6DOpRWuZNO5unI94iM04vAiUPMO48- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:49:18 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: VOTE GODDAMIT!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081103182959.N8X2D.814942.root@mp18> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <998361.98490.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:49:20 +0000 (UTC) wow 5 hrs.Respects man!but i think this change was long due,u know this reminds me of an article written years ago about americans (compared to europeans) not always knowing or caring about where their city hall was,now everybody will:-) If i could i would but i cheer anyway you vote,vote,vote! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Mon, 11/3/08, thetoyroom@charter.net wrote: > yesterday at an early voting location in Los Angeles county. > Wow. thousands and thousands and thousands of people. > Never seen the likes... We got there an hour before voting > opened and waited for almost 5 hours to vote. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 08:53:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 313483BE85; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=V1VUsstNP92fPzb33ollM+xopy8RBUX1Gbu0bnd99FY=; b=G0gV/c4qsnpUFRSoQnSrksBDYucx+RGEw+MyN1wMimvdbESwg5sZ0hKd8UPGufvMuL aBYzyu9gaxKkBz4JJbu2LYDn8E2XukF+GSIjrn6h9nVWWKuR5MoOMF2UsE2OiSM1R4k3 4486kXkJKN6V0XfNZJTsMiPTyiyoq4s9mvVjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qVAooVKu6MJj7QA9ugx7rcD2Anq2voECjN7V/0loLEw7sNST7ryGZDTra3JYeJBDoO 6avz9mLRLHAh0MV2zp1UUpQIaoHiqJ5ISH5SG8SWiO/siQ1/p/QOEaMxEil0+e72yImq 26gvuTXJt/OTG2xNwMqJQC7mAEnKSCXJVW5lo= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:53:49 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 08:53:51 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:23 AM, George Ludwig wrote: >>>I am blown away by the posililities of Mobius, and playing with it >>> occasionally, but I feel more conceptual, Like Im thinking what I want to >>> do, then trying to write some code, testing it, playing for a bit, then back >>> to analysis, and more programming... less "hands-on" and already Im getting >>> the feeling that Ill never master it... > > But after a while you go through that cycle enough times that you don't need > to do it anymore since you've implemented all the things that you can > conceive of. That's when you realize that you have created a custom looping > instrument that exactly meets your specifications. I think Per is the > Per-fect example of this. I've seen screenshots of his Bidule/ Mobius > looping environment (Per, you are in fact my laptop looping inspiration!). > No way you could pull that off with a dedicated hardware unit. Actually there is a guy in England, Pete Cornish, that builds hardware pedal boards with lots of alternate patches of routing the same bunch of hardware stomp boxes in different ways. My Bidule setup is as simple as that; same four or five VST effects patched into different order depending on what patch you select to play through. The second stage is the looper, then there's a three band multi compressor and finally the summed stereo signal goes to the house PA output. However, I have more or less abandoned that Bidule setup now, since the Mobius looper became available for Mac. When Apple released MainStage it dawned on me that MainStage was in fact what I had been building with Bidule for Windows XP, except for MainStage's great built-in plug-ins. I think this discussion shows the need to think musically about looping instead of technically. No one should feel obliged to "try out all possible options" just because they exist. That would be just a sad waste of talent. When starting out using software tools one of the first important steps is to restrict your pallet. Think about it as starting to learn playing an instrument - you don't go back to the shop every third day to swap the trumpet for a clarinet, for a tuba, for an accordion etc, etc... With an open environment software system there is no one to tell you how is supposed to look and function, so you have to set your own restrictions in order to learn how to be creative with that environment. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 09:00:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3906D3BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081104085351.99E183BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081104085351.99E183BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F43EBE0-04F6-48E3-85D7-74E782557EEA@kliklak.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: OT: Yma Sumac R.I.P Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:00:36 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:00:45 +0000 (UTC) On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the age of 86. http://yma-sumac.com Not exactly a looping artist but always a fave over here. If anyone has her album "Miracles" from 71 on vynil and wants to sell: Over here, please. Excuse the OT. jrp aircushionfinish.kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 09:35:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ECC63BE8B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:35:20 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:What's experimental? (was: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:35:23 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: > Hey - songs, structure and arrangements are great ways to experiment! > Music being experimental doesn't have anything to do with how it > sounds, it means the music is part of an exploration process. What's experimental or not is relative. For example: if I use a simple so= undscape or drone like sound with my funk/rock band, my fellow musicians = consider that as very experimental :) It all depends on what you are used= to. My personal definition of experimental would be something like everything= which is not planned up front, so the outcome is more or less unpredicta= ble. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 09:57:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 649F53BE87; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225792663; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=PIypHD5U0kx9SlKtA+LUmxBGqu8=; b=jhOUC+eBvVhBweWvt7ie3nstu1rAcihChzRKqASxc0lbltiuxcieTiojiDFaJhdl HPHSk2WHy6ziVDByznWzELFW8Hco1q4pB1qIX4iqNGz/JSyA7ycPfLDuI5DUuGpF; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=3-sINqx_AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=-zoR6fSmzPUChK4kdzkA:9 a=BychDAvJO4kI5UQaqhIA:7 a=L5I2qFaq6XHzySb3rgjTvMZGSAMA:4 a=yKXuFZSAuOYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01c93e63$c7c8f490$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081104085351.99E183BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <3F43EBE0-04F6-48E3-85D7-74E782557EEA@kliklak.net> Subject: Re: Yma Sumac R.I.P Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 04:57:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:57:44 +0000 (UTC) I love this stuff, what a voice! http://www.myspace.com/virgenesdelsol j ----- Original Message ----- From: "jayrope looper's delight" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:00 AM Subject: OT: Yma Sumac R.I.P > On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the age of 86. > > http://yma-sumac.com > > Not exactly a looping artist but always a fave over here. > > If anyone has her album "Miracles" from 71 on vynil and wants to > sell: Over here, please. > > Excuse the OT. > > jrp > aircushionfinish.kliklak.net > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1765 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 4:59 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 10:10:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4363BE87; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=qbv+zWUYjvfsQowV/1ht1HPQJRLTl7Fahj8Swm5XVAM=; b=BXMJ5rFA/8LzbTyLqq6BAkMHpi4D0n5EAxl0GNdOutzMt+TUj684SXH5m+w+cjPHR8 TpwLk8tlvMolkQGqzdwyPdsYO8v47RQTlSXI23Jf4CH0HxB+Yeus0/gzlwyzqTzK7Nn2 9NGw7+Na1T8v6Q7qbjsvrxLpmZe/6TIWTg8z0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=MkPnl5/AyWpuqVupWK76HP/GMW7HHwgU2ALxKpvjxOEXt+3z39OZh022izGPQPcBd8 tY2mnGIWzqCPvsxpyizqII4+o57dDMHN+IPgftk8bUGMtO8G1MtBYOAyy3MOj9DK7Vr+ 50hOB6bBhvM072s9m7dLvCaTGsCHgQVZnXaBo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:10:04 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Podcast In-Reply-To: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76823_29201812.1225793404514" References: <490E1B18.9050701@soundscapes.us> <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <84-EZB.A.I8E.-9BEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:10:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_76823_29201812.1225793404514 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and me matt contact me off list for download links sim On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:28 PM, MATTHEW STEVENS < mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > > Word up > > I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if > anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. > > Matt > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > > ------=_Part_76823_29201812.1225793404514 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline and me matt

contact me off list for download links

sim

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:28 PM, MATTHEW STEVENS <mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com> wrote:



Word up

I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch.

Matt

www.mattstevensguitar.com


------=_Part_76823_29201812.1225793404514-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 10:38:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 835023BE8B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:36 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: OT: Traynor amp's MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:38:38 +0000 (UTC) I blew up my amp last saturday during a blues jam session ;) So I'm looking for something else now and found a Traynor amp on the web.= I personally don't know this brand and it seems difficult to get here in= Europe. According to their website, it's a Canadian company, are part of= Yorkville and the reviews are very promising. I'm particularly intereste= d in the K4. It has a tube pre-amp which seems to work very good with vin= tage sounds like Fender Rhodes, Wurli's etc Although the K4 is designed as a keyboard amp, I also heared guitarists a= re using it with POD's and Boss GT's with excellent results. Does anyone know the Traynor brand? Is it reliable? http://www.traynoramps.com/ --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From reda_abdallah02@hotmail.com Tue Nov 4 10:44:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mail.webnow.com (mail.webnow.com [216.28.188.16]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5D03BE7B for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:38:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200811040538.AA3474184@mail.webnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "abdallah" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: <@mail.webnow.com> Subject: I NEED TRUST. X-Mailer: I NEED TRUST. The Chief Auditor/Information manager, In-Charge of Foreign Unit African Development Bank Group, Ouaga. Burkina-Faso. Dear Good Friend, I am Mr.Reda Adallah, The Chief Auditor/Information Manager, In-Charge of Foreign Unit of our bank and i have had the intent to contact you over this financial transaction/transfer worth the sum of Twenty Nine Million Two Hundred Thousand U.S Dollars (US$29.2M)for our progress and richness.This is an abandoned sum that belongs to our late foreign customer (an International Billionaire French Businessman) who died in plane crash disaster since three years ago along with his wife. I was opportuned to see the deceased deposit file bearing this huge amount of money when i was inspecting the dated and current customers files in other to sign and submit to the entire bank management for an official validation / re-documentation against the statement approval to the account holders for the year. In a swift investigation carried out by me, i found out that non of the deceased relative is aware of the abandoned fund except his late wife. As a result of that, it is an extremely confidential matter between me and you. Hence you are a foreigner to our country, you are authorized by our Banking law to apply and claim the fund into your account as the NEXT-OF-KIN to the deceased. For assisting me to get the fund transferred into your bank account, the ratio of 40% of the total sum is for your share whereas 60% is for me as business pioneer. Please i need your urgent response on assurance of trust that you will not deny my right of the share once the fund gets into your account because i am a poor civil servant who depend on little monthly salary. That you are the one who will help me to get visa to your country immediately i resign from my work on the instant of the transfer into your account. If you are realy sure of your integerity, trustworthy, and confidentiality, reply urgently and to prove that, include your particulars as follows. Private telephone and fax numbers?.......... Country of Origin?................................. Your occupation?.................................. Your official age?................................... Your passport or ID card number?.............. In sincerity, Mr.Reda Adallah From nelsonmakal25@earthlink.net Tue Nov 4 11:07:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 718 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:07:04 UTC Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C002E3BE80 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:07:04 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JSApMzchoGtzolpNhZgkILfreC/ONCuo0EIcfCc0WhYyN0y8pyKdDP9iZaV1Ro94; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.44] (helo=elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KxJW2-0002VV-CX; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:52:06 -0500 Received: from 41.247.10.208 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 05:52:05 -0500 Message-ID: <24159327.1225795926189.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:52:05 +0800 (GMT+08:00) From: "MR. NELSON MAKALA" Reply-To: "MR. NELSON MAKALA" Subject: I AM SEEKING YOUR CO-OPERATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: a3fd8a02dc3bcf362014756c412ffbb474bf435c0eb9d4782dc5ff7f8a5ee123f54f3dd68469f6e1d16aef77543258d0350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 To: undisclosed-recipients:; I am a Manager of a leading bank in South Africa, I am seeking your co-operation to present you to my bank as the next of Kin/beneficiary to my deceased client, before his death, he has a bank balance with my bank to the tune of ($14.7m,) Dr. George Brumley, an American Nationality, a businessman, who involved in air crash along with his family. You can confirm from the website below. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/africa/07/20/kenya.crash/index.html No other person knows about this account. The Strategy is to use our influence as Managers/Directors of the bank to approve the funds to you. So if you are interested forward to me your names, cell, Phone/fax, profession, age and country so I can contact you on. Yours faithful Mr. Nelson Makala From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 11:16:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6DE83BE85; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=tBFAUtbSKIEhW36GTtkbabRRB8JPO4YJWYbT/X4CPVg=; b=MKwjW6vuHFzn5FB/RzOS5R4aP1Nk93xgAa7rVkY4sHxCO1z642TfFZMP6yUTgQPx9X nWnB9Al6ZhMQtgyYmqi/FYKDjYkmNxrDIjyTIKx2/if0BYCxY4dTDWGdfHpaIPaEDZ8+ GEzZ4hpDfqv2neXlIspSB7rwjrVBKQvjbD2T8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=LtGg+kNSce8A+ftLbj8z9H/F7fOGq2lSLDx6CJdpkDy5SiaPIpmeVcS25hbUuT9x33 m85lXzDYlAqvmJ0x3esxHNfBchWZY32R3L4lvej+lveL3exJijfTCP6GZ1aWp5GYYysj n/rwHHowJRnWC2/vAz7xhRaCCusILM+5EI8T8= Message-ID: <582ACEB90F5A4F6E9898A650AB02C05B@PCvansimon> From: "projektGmail" To: References: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Podcast Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:16:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Hi Matt, I have lots stuff here. Simon www.projekt67.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "MATTHEW STEVENS" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:28 PM To: Subject: Podcast > > > > Word up > > I'm doing a loopers delight special on the Guitars and Sampler podcast = > if anyone is up for letting me play some mp3's get in touch. > > Matt > > www.mattstevensguitar.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 11:34:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 311CE3BE91; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 102229856/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.202.21/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.202.21 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgABALzBD0lPTsoV/2dsb2JhbAAIyluDU4NA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,542,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="102229856" Message-ID: <491033CE.1080208@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:36:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? References: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Steve Lawson wrote: > I guess it's no longer works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of > performance orientation and cost... There's no way I could run any > looping software on my macbook without it crapping out - way too much > going on on it anyway, I wouldn't even have the hard-disc space for it. > To get it reliable enough, I'd need a dedicated looping rig laptop, or a dual boot > pimped out and spec'd up, and even then, > I've not found anyone with a > laptop fast/powerful enough to run a Lexicon 60 second reverb and up to > 8 channels of stereo loopage along with all the other stuffs, at low > enough latency for me not to feel it. > > So I'd have to carry an extra laptop, and pedals, and a soundcard, and > possibly still run outboard effects. > Yep, same here. My laptop setup would end up just as heavy as the current hardware one. When someone builds a small audio interface with a nice high quality (valve?) input for guitar/bass we'll be part of the way there. I don't see the latency problem being solved by M$/Apple tho' it's not something they're interested in. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 11:49:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FAD03BE85; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YKaEaFs9gm2stZs5CgGokhcl840QcTv9C2ptitg5Yc4=; b=cKXAWey2Mi17X7zP7NHpkiB6kprTmIAALSc6ng9S+KByuQ3j+MVUtnQFbreP0n63Xc OJi/uEiQIXwPWk5pqzy/KEQ6FlLrHzJ0lndWTIV5IUmp8USo49hoBcOM7KfAqre9PvIv 4kt43kh09FcWoLRLnOU9fupqHc+86R1JX82NE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=qTr9bNBd7imgj2Sa4TUtfcWbaFJTrj2NQ30muE6UOYHYRP1xote34eGcuxCOl01wuU YHDvcG91Ay3UCcr8Gk+VuJCLl0fHfuhstwpXaHT05pTLvgZCytPfhtZwAZcryfFJNaEK +4Ymj3nzL+iLti+yzC/XtBV2JryHZjBqTonKs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:49:10 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com Subject: Re: Podcast In-Reply-To: <582ACEB90F5A4F6E9898A650AB02C05B@PCvansimon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <507095.94925.qm@web86102.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <582ACEB90F5A4F6E9898A650AB02C05B@PCvansimon> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Matt, I have some stuff on my website jefflomas.com and on Chain Tape Collective: http://ct-collective.com/index.cfm?page=members&artistid=138. Feel free to use whatever. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 12:35:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7565F3BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:35:11 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20081104123511.15840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Mobius + Mainstage possible currently? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+eLq1xqrqeuqDkCc5EWCUa2aa2h4nHf9evqmA9zc NDDrYnNJWLfTUUakLJasbz3d95e02Q0Dvuhg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 5TB5JkI+MydhZv5OkWtlb55jaGRhZlqO X-FuHaFi: 0.77 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:35:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks with Moius on Mac currently only working as stand-alone, is there a way to combine it with Mainstage currently? The only way is I guess if you have i.e. an audio interface where you do physical/virtual audio routing - but is there another way with a simple input (Audio JACK?) ? best regards Buzap -- GMX Download-Spiele: Preizsturz! Alle Puzzle-Spiele Deluxe über 60% billiger. http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/download/puzzle/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 12:42:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B49ED3BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:42:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:42:13 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> Message-ID: <20081104124213.15810@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: live video from paris show To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/jVQ1ACM3jibX6UVFtDrkLBe5Uj2+F6jW4ZFcB4x 7vBn8hvuOwihcBv2hRqHclievyNujHULyWcw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: Sy5yHWombXB+V8xpyTU27csiLyUmZcjI X-FuHaFi: 0.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 12:42:14 +0000 (UTC) > you can kinda see Live and SooperLooper running in the background. What you don't see: The black(!) FCB board w/out pedals - looked very nice ;-) I really enjoyed the gig! :) best regards Buzap -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 13:31:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3768D3BE8E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:31:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=hLKRq+ewEqTf4Z2YR6x83qRHe6O7kNYbKviarOiSymU=; b=AtZ1Kt9f2+Y2RE3QNTMwRmRQ5ItJS+mF4ZZam5ZHm74Rqpl6F8dCJs/6+nT38Op+L8 fYwkI2DG68Ky2XAmXJiIL8u3v/MVfQ50OfRO2d3mEkix1e8tjGQIXEQRlSY7dNa5e815 tVZYvKXWgwI19diSatR/9Pe+Pxx0M+e6v026A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jqRwgn9sGAAEg2VS53HRhbeAiPhajW3O0euZrV+T04qPgQzxe1uDfsAU0SDHkxLeif s/PqXcFQ76bHxvjZKhPPz/LH6eDaj/YzcfvecmG1O7eL0O+w4DIYs7PgjTHAx4QUd+xU VeCLELxWPi/lC7CNkLhRpi3IVNrQR+YUMbdGc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811040531s4879dd2bi4611739471b6472b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:31:35 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius + Mainstage possible currently? In-Reply-To: <20081104123511.15840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081104123511.15840@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:31:37 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > with Moius on Mac currently only working as stand-alone, is there a way to combine > it with Mainstage >currently? Yes. > The only way is I guess if you have i.e. an audio interface where you do physical/virtual audio routing Correct, as I look at it. > - but is there another way with a simple input (Audio JACK?) ? The answer depends on how you are defining "a viable solution". I have tried both Soundflower and Jack for in-the-box piping MainStage output into Mobius input and I found that the latency flickers, which means it can not be compensated for in Mobius. But with the physical cable (or digital by S/PDIF or ADAT) patching between applications the latency will stay the same and you can type that figure into Mobius to compensate for it in recorded loops. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 13:46:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 890423BE89; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1zfnIyTSCMV/FRipw5P6xZzxajb6aRhw0AYCh1ikU9s=; b=UqcASkE1Wp3/fkCX7bEVLJiH+sMXmdBi2kNO7nEmR6qNQxiHKasHmyBI1NhLKMbzXJ L7MyGLESqi/ZSIs62hdbpZs52BJhkfOu2VrQ7T5S7WqzyJEp5wQspkdH2nZD3HVUeFtf +jWnSYJfWLJd6ITx1NEk0FTLgkZ+BmfkwEkeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Cv5+SSzZ+yRJ3SFA+LK79mwOazyKEHe5GWrhkmFp+oHHzj5aPaVS12HQ2jLchrT9ng 4zOGpO/NS6Ac7K4Nfwo4iCHG3qjevl7CCNKY61U3hMe/S4DgQOLns38sbC/DXs1snFg2 n36W5TNxvt5aFMkdLGhRw+k6uHUlRLWue2cpQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:46:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? In-Reply-To: <491033CE.1080208@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> <491033CE.1080208@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 13:46:49 +0000 (UTC) > Steve Lawson wrote: >> >> I guess it's no longer works/doesn't work, it's more a matter of >> performance orientation and cost... There's no way I could run any looping >> software on my macbook without it crapping out - way too much going on on it >> anyway, I wouldn't even have the hard-disc space for it. To get it reliable >> enough, I'd need a dedicated looping rig laptop, On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:36 PM, andy butler wrote: > or a dual boot Quite feasible. Back when I was making a living doing studio recordings for clients on a Windows PC I even used a five part bootable partition system. That made it really simple! If Windows fucked up I simply rebooted into an identical clone of that system + applications partition and kept up the work flow. Simplicity rules! The setup was two identical system partitions for audio recording (tweaked for CPU efficiency and stability), a third identical clone used for beta testing of software, one office work system and one "crap system" partition used for downloading and gaming. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 14:50:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC6CF3BE85; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=twUadHvlT9UxzQIx2ebngOWkOgNWjt8zOBXSKuMpCfI=; b=kz4Ce8In7yKoBblZbJLf92QNB1VT+PFXKiBgnFSsbFzH6OkcS1LbEWYkIR9RxdDVff AhdzM6PNaquEi3lbzp1Bc7KitDTUo3A/1gN+0Peqdo2scc5ijj6m3jQNHUBc45XePoFU 57q4ZigWcPYQbJghffkTH6Kgv2r3kBXoX7X9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=l6UnyicIiEjpRL2n7tuF6DA58BDWi1WYNW2v85EyjITYlCZLx6upoosNKVbMSx2SD5 Mjo7o7Ar2DuXEPh+4GGqg4tTkxhs9Jw4Tthp4wLWnQjWeVWHYAFlai5MsH5PsuVxKjzS X7CGz1AsBdHmELuiCXLbXiDBTdawv8ToxZ1jc= Message-ID: <101191640811040650s10644210l56f0f9aef417a334@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:50:51 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> <491033CE.1080208@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 6f1912846e3453a5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:50:52 +0000 (UTC) I love the nostalgic feeling of looping through this same discussion every year. :-) >From my experiences selling SlowGold software against less-capable hardware competitors that kicked my butt, I've come to the conclusion that there are hw folks and there are sw folks, and most guitarists are hw folks. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 15:30:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498A33BE84; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3604 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:30:28 UTC Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:18:31 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Fwd: Change/Cambio in 08' To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:30:28 +0000 (UTC) >Delivered-To: emile@1582466.1704765 >DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=gmail.com; s=gamma; > h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to > :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; > bh=gAs3LyKX4GO/IEKEoG7GfyUqvo9JJYdRaPPGA0M0DeA=; > b=JxYXXx7mRfQYOX+fktktrYvbiCmPVhAf9yWT2eWg6lOx269y9HSbvh2fit4GB7KZso > suyCqHK76y7R1e+Zq2sz48NYclLpTdeHmDWYak5JezwoNhkQNFdrFtKlEJUUa4Zjg5fl > fyLYO6S7ckGVqC5nJkea9UMJ18oFfb9M34Fis= >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 13:22:52 -0500 >From: "Neil Leonard" >To: nleonard3@gmail.com >Subject: Fwd: Change/Cambio in 08' > > > > an mm campos-pons/leonard initiative > > > >On the occasion of the U.S. elections on Tuesday November 4, 2008, >G.A.S.P. Gallery >is holding a special event in support of Change/Cambio in the belief >that Barack Obama >will be the next President. For this event, G.A.S.P. is soliciting >comments from around >the world in solidarity with our hope for change. >We invite you to send us one brief sentence or one phrase inspired by the >Change/Cambio that Barack Obama represents. Your comments will be incorporated >into a large-scale public projection across the street from G.A.S.P. >Gallery in Brookline >Massachusetts. When you respond with your sentence or phrase, please >indicate the >city and country you are writing from so it can be projected >alongside your comment. >To our friends and colleagues in the Boston area, please join us at >G.AS.P. on this >historic day at 8:30 pm and spend the evening with us watching the >returns, blogging, >chatting, and eating good food during the outdoor projection. To our >friends worldwide, >we invite you to join us at G.A.S.P. via live blog and Skype. >Please pass this request to your friends, colleagues, and relatives. >We hope to include >messages from every continent that will support our wish for >Change/Cambio in the U.S. >Send your message as soon as possible to: >gasp4barack@gmail.com >We look forward to renewed hope and change! >All the best from Boston, >S.A. Bachman >Bonnie Donohue >Magdalena Campos-Pons, Gallery Owner & Founder >G.A.S.P. Gallery Artists Studio Projects >362-4 Boylston Street >Brookline, MA 02445 >(617) 418-4308 > >Jenne Willis >GASP Gallery Director >362 Boylston Street >Brookline Ma 02445 >617-418-4308 >www.g-a-s-p.net > >Neil Leonard >Interim Chair, Professor >Music Synthesis Department >Berklee College of Music >617.747.8402 (office) >nleonard@berklee.edu >neilleonard.com >neilleonardevents.blogspot.com >gaspsound.blogspot.com >myspace.com/neilleonardmusic -- Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer and Digital Photographer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld "Don't make book, if you cannot cover bets." -- Tom Lehrer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 15:58:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0D243BE8B; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=e90aShVGW9Qs6KQBaaL+TT3/uQ84J1Sim2E1lvdFPhQ=; b=MYQ5AkghrJEMMOjHEKVxaX9KvV18dUnwrRpGGcjf2oaDms7V9UvdCVt5ZBZD5M8SDC FuLXvvfYJU+dG9lbeMJ5q4diJyzwyRuXIIIDwB/pE7pUWayiEr5ov0MEqZWrmP3eap18 r6B4a7fLn6buciV9e1/+r+/S055S2dOvBTRDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=JDrS0EbKJE+JeX7E4PlTJVqcJLgEKwmBezBMVGtjRzsNyd2z5RIm6hl7LXDCuEwURI WrmTd/MM1HuiV2UI6WfXOpGxtEv/peeztJZVK7q9oEhNo80mGCZoDcl0vtleVLQkIZmx zi0h4h3xCQjA2ZRXs6RxtBaP8Tf1rZ2PXuGJk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811040758p21956c6asad32f59463d86b8d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:58:36 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? In-Reply-To: <101191640811040650s10644210l56f0f9aef417a334@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <91BF8098-1490-4D1A-ACEE-E18B1C118E46@steve-lawson.co.uk> <491033CE.1080208@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040650s10644210l56f0f9aef417a334@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > I love the nostalgic feeling of looping through this same discussion > every year. :-) > > From my experiences selling SlowGold software against less-capable > hardware competitors that kicked my butt, I've come to the conclusion > that there are hw folks and there are sw folks, and most guitarists > are hw folks. > > Warren Yes, NOstalgia is the word! In the studio recording world we had this discussion about a decade earlier. It went "if synthesizers were available as software to be hosted by a computer - would you use that?". However, besides the hw folks and the sw folks there were also some guys saying "whatever does the job best". -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 16:40:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 710C23BE81; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=nwhMogGjn6t+RjDkdZMmdO+9iKH2bYS5VfZBte9fqlw=; b=BxYQvHMgT1W8WDVnvvm1UD4c7pxG/3LS6qhrmzQiB4pA5kyaspExC+KutEEF2d6ypi OmTPMk30MyxA71QqEHWc0uGM6L0dsB/7R7ctb1/eckBmSLA65SealdLRxHupgAVhcxVc AFgejgNC9L11NWVBI7RLWW4FAWfyhmdTnsxvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=YYBnlTl6AJuLhAAQaEUlo6714FtBz706o+UjeO20OZFDC0NzZNNTtJz1v82PuawV+b /gOzRBRS6yWzaAQilcN8D+OoSXyyhRV0P6yHVGA2PvRdFF1jRbZs+bIA/d34wILe3GF3 sGEAHa65gCqtufYvxkOqSNVRDt6Vl18hd7LP8= Message-ID: <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:40:46 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa151fb16d474855 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Both Per and Kris have said it so well - i'm a laptop looper because i keep growing out of hw and getting frustrated with the fact that it isn't generally designed for ME and isn't that expandable or updatable. With software, i often feel like that character in the old Mr. Natural comics - was it Flakey Foont? - saying "the paperwork alone will take years". However, I do get what I need from it eventually. Processor speed is still an issue, but there are always compromises. BTW, I'm very possibly going to finally abandon my always-a-work-in-progress MAX/MSP looper in favor of Mobius now that it's on the Mac, probably as soon as it becomes an AU. When I started my project years ago, there were no good alternatives, but Jeff has done such a great job that I can redirect all that programming time into music once again! Yes, I have to go through another learning curve, but that's gotta be a *lot* easier than what i've been doing. Later, i expect to run just the low-cpu midi processing part of MAX to generate additional sequences synced to the loops, for additional synthetic accompaniment (for me, weirdly, this seems to be the next frontier. funny how things come around. midi sounds used to sound like crap, generally, and now they sound great, especially mixed with "real" sounds, and they're so malleable with, say, really long-running LFOs, continuous controllers, and even the velocities of what you're playing live, to reduce the repetitiveness of certain loop elements). Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 16:48:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC5263BE80; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7YxTQJZkMeuoq7pnCBXoY1uzMTXKVpTUIUJamlRkOT8=; b=VwPTI85aqlL+MAjSLME/ZO5AxlCF6dybgeLFGWR+QWgyD5oDoUGK5x8DLtism4Ij1q HGtwpPTD8V9A4mGSVDp0cJt2kEzR3sZHizUQG+oKrWEJlSscBI6sHul5O4ETZ8+7T2/h e/Pt2rtnSvPkj3t1IfDge5J6hmGrAsXsp57K8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lAcwv60eJI1MpTXd6jx3zVHQUV9nFSJpuSm9Ad3UDQvnNndEit4NUOMEu6zDeJiieq vA1s8kANSK1wkm98fCX/hfLJXaNWkN8BXNp4cyH+1z1AGgVBcHn3s6hxLmPIqdKdywQ2 4WnBQTrRMwqoOrr1zfv7pK037LqkkzObs2u78= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811040848h4d4e3989u95de40db1fa21569@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:48:49 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:48:50 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: ///> midi sounds used to sound like > crap, generally, and now they sound great, especially mixed with > "real" sounds, and they're so malleable with, say, really long-running > LFOs, continuous controllers, and even the velocities of what you're > playing live, to reduce the repetitiveness of certain loop elements). > > Warren I agree - MIDI sounds is great these days! I have just finished setting up my old Kontakt 2 software sampler again to play it over MIDI from the Akai EWI4000s breath and touch controlled "electric sax". It sound great and feels just like an acoustic instrument to play. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 18:09:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF333BE80; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <3F43EBE0-04F6-48E3-85D7-74E782557EEA@kliklak.net> References: <20081104085351.99E183BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <3F43EBE0-04F6-48E3-85D7-74E782557EEA@kliklak.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-554212335 Message-Id: <6D4465B9-D383-4549-A9F6-A5026C30800B@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: OT: Yma Sumac R.I.P Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 10:07:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:09:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-554212335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:00 AM, jayrope looper's delight wrote: > On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the age of 86. > > http://yma-sumac.com > > Not exactly a looping artist but always a fave over here. > > If anyone has her album "Miracles" from 71 on vynil and wants to > sell: Over here, please. > > Excuse the OT. > > jrp > aircushionfinish.kliklak.net Mein Gaia! Both Yma and Jimmie Carl on the SAME day! Curiously (or Synchronicistally? Or...?) they both passed on, on Celtic New Year's Day (Nov.1st) I wonder of there is some kozmik significance there? (Or....?) I also adored Yma and have for many, many years and have several CDs and LPs. (But, not "Miracles", unfortunately) Also, luckily for me, someone made me a video dub a few years ago, of a live performance she did at some(?) venue in France (and Paris? Seems likely...) that was done in either the very late 80s or very early 90's? (I do not recall the moment, and the video is stored down in Thee Vault, here at home) It is great! Even at the age she was when this probably rare performance was given, her voice was STILL INCREDIBLE! Also, her "entrance" towards the stage was about as "regal" as it gets (and she was of course, dressed appropriately), and the crowd was cheering wildly, as if they were in the presence of "royalty", which I guess they REALLY WERE! Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-1-554212335 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:00 = AM, jayrope looper's delight wrote:

On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the age of = 86.


Not = exactly a looping artist but always a fave over here.

If = anyone has her album "Miracles" from 71 on vynil and wants to sell: Over = here, please.

Excuse the OT.

jrp
Also, luckily for me, someone made me a video = dub a few years ago,=A0of a live performance she=A0did at = some(?)=A0venue=A0
in France (and Paris? Seems likely...) that = was done in =A0either the very late 80s=A0or very early = 90's?=A0
(I do not recall the moment, and the video is stored = down in Thee Vault, here at home)

It is great! = Even at the age she was when this probably rare performance was given, = her voice was STILL INCREDIBLE!
Also, her "entrance" towards = the stage was about as "regal" as it gets (and she was of course, = dressed appropriately),=A0
and the crowd was cheering wildly, = as if they were=A0in the presence of "royalty", which I guess they = REALLY WERE!=A0


= --Apple-Mail-1-554212335-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 19:04:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BAAE3BE85; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HPldUhLBtiMTfygWljuHNHTk2slF47UfMp+dOBhoW0Q9XEgGBrktsMpMzXkvn6/kpbDIFpqVvEXED9XnwZvvuJ0Dwjn5fWqsci6aCazdriyhRzQdT8Nhvh2ZFjlO2zR0RVdn+Du9/15hAK8LVtMYUpcck0jFshL4qFH9RfDPP3g=; X-YMail-OSG: tlvv_98VM1nF1CpwXulHC3JwrufDTQJua6EH6ARge0Q9.CaH4mGq3ANBRoIIpu.Tk.7.eyN0bASMMC0N4b8nls83iFvOqGo8xsl_ac68hl9dYV8AZQJ6p2g.nr5O4.qyvSA.X3sAGXItyWRL0U6t.ezqOmgI7.L.kuIPOZ1ODRxBDcwOKqq2grVU8DsBsw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:04:41 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Reply-To: ditchwrestler@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: Traynor amp's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1369659580-1225825481=:39642" Message-ID: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:04:47 +0000 (UTC) --0-1369659580-1225825481=:39642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 I had a Traynor amp a while back for my gee-tar and it was good. =A0 The general=A0mentions I've heard & read (and I'll agree with) is that they= 're good sound, reliability, and quality but they're=A0not great and they d= on't impart a typical "sound", i.e., Marshall, Vox, Fender.=A0 In that rega= rd, they're almost Peavey-like=20 =A0 When I was shopping around for a double-bass amp, I wish they had something= suitable as the factory is=A0about an hour east of me. =A0 ted. Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Sjaak wrote: From: Sjaak Subject: OT: Traynor amp's To: "Loopers-Delight" Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 2:38 AM I blew up my amp last saturday during a blues jam session ;) So I'm looking for something else now and found a Traynor amp on the web. I personally don't know this brand and it seems difficult to get here in Europe. According to their website, it's a Canadian company, are part of Yorkville and the reviews are very promising. I'm particularly interested i= n the K4. It has a tube pre-amp which seems to work very good with vintage so= unds like Fender Rhodes, Wurli's etc Although the K4 is designed as a keyboard amp, I also heared guitarists are using it with POD's and Boss GT's with excellent results. Does anyone know the Traynor brand? Is it reliable? http://www.traynoramps.com/ --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm =0A=0A=0A --0-1369659580-1225825481=:39642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
I had a Traynor amp a while back for my gee-tar and it was good.
 
The general mentions I've heard & read (and I'll agree with) is that they're good sound, reliability, and quality but they're not great and they don't impart a typical "sound", i.e., Marshall, Vox, Fender.  In that regard, they're almost Peavey-like
 
When I was shopping around for a double-bass amp, I wish they had something suitable as the factory is about an hour east of me.
 

ted.
Enemies are good for self-definition. Werner Herzog

--- On Tue, 11/4/08, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
From: Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>
Subject: OT: Traynor amp's
To: "Loopers-Delight" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 2:38 AM

I blew up my amp last saturday during a blues jam session ;)

So I'm looking for something else now and found a Traynor amp on the web. I
personally don't know this brand and it seems difficult to get here in
Europe. According to their website, it's a Canadian company, are part of
Yorkville and the reviews are very promising. I'm particularly interested in
the K4. It has a tube pre-amp which seems to work very good with vintage sounds
like Fender Rhodes, Wurli's etc

Although the K4 is designed as a keyboard amp, I also heared guitarists are
using it with POD's and Boss GT's with excellent results.

Does anyone know the Traynor brand? Is it reliable?

http://www.traynoramps.com/

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Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw

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--0-1369659580-1225825481=:39642-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 19:19:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D25B3BE95; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225826367; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=sPPoKYJJ3cs4OVsdmwP/OVOaFWw=; b=I9P7DV9fcrw8SRBFvC27WR+QmGQaedoKNF+h7iU5et+WHXOgOfsiJ4sAv+YTLmGb K6cC3JZ0qmNQ025MmnFWfrAlcAYqoIBGUvYcpizAmNPM1CsBqTrOq3NjiUXx6s7s; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0z-l_KE2AAAA:8 a=3-sINqx_AAAA:8 a=vm92dfQjAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mTHKMzeM0XV0BDZL8bgA:9 a=vkl7k6_Uz6tnxXraBa0A:7 a=czgu0iSw0G1n8yGgF5oy221MeHkA:4 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=pu88pZ_aYbQA:10 a=6zM69vxpDQwA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=UD3EFyfc0L8A:10 a=geEIQNPOBqQ2_H6i294A:9 a=SO1jFssHblzhLxyYfIMA:7 a=yD5bBEup3-Pl2s6fFwIHBH2hHAIA:4 a=3GpFfzojnSEA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001601c93eb2$41260000$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081104085351.99E183BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <3F43EBE0-04F6-48E3-85D7-74E782557EEA@kliklak.net> <6D4465B9-D383-4549-A9F6-A5026C30800B@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: OT: Yma Sumac R.I.P Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:19:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C93E88.57A698A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:19:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C93E88.57A698A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://konotiki.blogspot.com/2006/07/yma-sumac-miracles.html These blogs are great for impossible to get stuff. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: OT: Yma Sumac R.I.P On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:00 AM, jayrope looper's delight wrote: On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the age of 86. http://yma-sumac.com Not exactly a looping artist but always a fave over here. If anyone has her album "Miracles" from 71 on vynil and wants to = sell: Over here, please. Excuse the OT. jrp aircushionfinish.kliklak.net Mein Gaia! Both Yma and Jimmie Carl on the SAME day! Curiously (or Synchronicistally? Or...?) they both passed on, on = Celtic New Year's Day (Nov.1st) I wonder of there is some kozmik significance there? (Or....?) =20 I also adored Yma and have for many, many years and have several CDs = and LPs. (But, not "Miracles", unfortunately) Also, luckily for me, someone made me a video dub a few years ago, of = a live performance she did at some(?) venue=20 in France (and Paris? Seems likely...) that was done in either the = very late 80s or very early 90's?=20 (I do not recall the moment, and the video is stored down in Thee = Vault, here at home) It is great! Even at the age she was when this probably rare = performance was given, her voice was STILL INCREDIBLE! Also, her "entrance" towards the stage was about as "regal" as it gets = (and she was of course, dressed appropriately),=20 and the crowd was cheering wildly, as if they were in the presence of = "royalty", which I guess they REALLY WERE!=20 Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1766 - Release Date: = 11/4/2008 8:26 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C93E88.57A698A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
htt= p://konotiki.blogspot.com/2006/07/yma-sumac-miracles.html
 
These blogs are great for impossible to = get=20 stuff.
 
Jeff
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, = 2008 1:07=20 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Yma Sumac = R.I.P

On Nov 4, 2008, at 1:00 AM, jayrope looper's delight wrote:

On Nov. 1. 2008 Yma Sumac has died at the = age of=20 86.

http://yma-sumac.com

Not exactly a looping artist but always a = fave over=20 here.

If anyone has her album "Miracles" from = 71 on vynil=20 and wants to sell: Over here, please.

Excuse the OT.

jrp
aircushionfinish.kliklak.net

Mein Gaia!   Both Yma and Jimmie Carl on the SAME = day!

Curiously (or Synchronicistally? Or...?) they both = passed on, on=20 Celtic New Year's Day (Nov.1st)
I wonder of there is some kozmik significance there? =  (Or....?)=20  

I also adored Yma and have for many, many years and have = several CDs=20 and LPs. (But, not "Miracles", unfortunately)
Also, luckily for me, someone made me a video dub a few years=20 ago, of a live performance she did at = some(?) venue 
in France (and Paris? Seems likely...) that was done in =  either the=20 very late 80s or very early 90's? 
(I do not recall the moment, and the video is stored down in Thee = Vault,=20 here at home)

It is great! Even at the age she was when this probably rare = performance=20 was given, her voice was STILL INCREDIBLE!
Also, her "entrance" towards the stage was about as "regal" as it = gets=20 (and she was of course, dressed appropriately), 
and the crowd was cheering wildly, as if they were in the = presence=20 of "royalty", which I guess they REALLY WERE! 

Rev Fever
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvf= ever/


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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C93E88.57A698A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 21:01:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F653BE8E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:01:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2008 21:01:41.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[8931B930:01C93EC0] Resent-Message-ID: <-KQj1.A.yuD.3gLEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:01:43 +0000 (UTC) > BTW, I'm very possibly going to finally abandon my > always-a-work-in-progress MAX/MSP looper in favor of Mobius now that > it's on the Mac, ... Maybe you can do both? Best of both worlds. I may try that again, but the last time I did, Max and Mobius would not play nice together and share the MIDI port. I might try again to see what happens, running Mobius as a VST. I like Mobius because it handles all the meat and pototoes looping very efficiency, wherease I can use my max looper for all the mangled random looping. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 21:47:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A55C3BE9E; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:47:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: <7BudrD.A.z6E.dLMEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:47:10 +0000 (UTC) > but the last time I did, Max and Mobius would not play nice together > and share the MIDI port. The main MIDI issue with Mobius and any host is that they cannot open the same MIDI input or output device. What happens depends on the device driver, either Mobius will get a "device not available" error when it tries to open it, or it will open but when Mobius and the host both try to close it you get an error and sometimes a crash. This situation is usually easy to avoid because the only common reason to make Mobius open a MIDI port when running as a VST is to send MIDI clocks. In that scenario the host doesn't open the device, it lets Mobius own the clock generator. Typically this is done with a "loopback" device like MidiYoke where Mobius sends clocks to the "MIDI Yoke 1" output device and the host opens the "MIDI Yoke 1" INPUT device, thereby letting Mobius set the tempo for the host which VSTs can't ordinarily do. If you don't need loopback sync, then it isn't an issue, just disable all Mobius VST MIDI devices. If you do want sync, then the potential problem is that the host doesn't give you control over which devices are opened, it just opens all of them. I'd be surprised if Max did this, but I haven't looked at it in awhile. For normal MIDI control you don't open any devices, Mobius just gets MIDI events from the host. I've heard the main limitation from a typical Max user's perspective is that Mobius doesn't provide many "automatable parameters". There is the potential for a lot of creative weirdness using Max algorithms to control things like the level, speed, and pitch of each track. Currently you can only control the level, feedback, and pan of the active track. Everything else has to be done inside Mobius with scripts or MIDI commands. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 22:15:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077663BEA4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=kheddstH5GkBR75WXyyABB9cDAj9nmHWZ1u/A+3/lF2z6MMiA5fZJoudfh0/zABBBf5drAwm4NQJkH1hxe64U+Y/oSk8OZZ2jGlVN0f26Npu0TVlCsJ6pyla87xS2DZDZecVYJkAqG4OG68PsNg/V1KkxFWOtxG5/+vLCOFF1Ss=; X-YMail-OSG: SSXsctgVM1lFPLnhe4Kc5jClAUn1t368.1_zhfKhZR42mW3VcAQS1LI4uugZbWjReh3m3u2UOZNsGMrdA5f1RX1GaHzYmL6hk6z4RI3c.Xerf0d5wTfkBM3z_PfSn6ZvMEdPWxYhvWHWEGHgVvUz7KKgUnZzsuddXYvvWT8kZzxmt28vsaNtHBlqIiJd2IhYwc9EGh0v1YO5A.8- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:15:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640811040650s10644210l56f0f9aef417a334@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <490343.43710.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:15:20 +0000 (UTC) How can we not? we are living in amazing revolutionary times it is only natural and even healthy to keep talking about it.I bet when everything finally turns microscopic and we eat protein pills for breakfast and everything is finally settled with this dilema we will get nostalgic about big monster racks and bulky tube amps and this topic will loop again;-) Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Warren Sirota wrote: > From: Warren Sirota > Subject: Re: Why Hardware? > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 6:50 AM > I love the nostalgic feeling of looping through this same > discussion > every year. :-) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 22:20:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 988293BEB2; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:20:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Ha60KmTtmTDlEPTVBCcHukTYlg/Mtooxoj/ErxN1SCDbF9dHrlb+Dc8AKSdArTgxiud2az8Xh2iShtFmnalPA15Uhx1IqsRlHKYxU0iP//sljkKo5rieAk5pj8meO1DfSYkOdhXzQ+CgbjgYOzq+DprraAhPKiEsUX204ntjoUM=; X-YMail-OSG: IpiC6DkVM1kkkpcrLX8tnN3NxdZ7bIC43n9BKXJdkppqINxhx4nONvmXab_ru6KNLt67Y_pomTKdx67CvmfnDj9ta1KebRHQqdFyeryK_Qs5GJfieWAfMfIZdj6J4lasdWNjQwdA9y5pROU_cBEI0GWJG3s- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 14:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Why Hardware? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <254309.37766.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:20:02 +0000 (UTC) By the way Per,i am new to the Mac world is there a website outthere with Mac tunning tips for better audio performance like there is for Win XP? cheers Luis > > Back when I was making a living doing studio recordings for > clients on > a Windows PC I even used a five part bootable partition > system. That > made it really simple! If Windows fucked up I simply > rebooted into an > identical clone of that system + applications partition and > kept up > the work flow. Simplicity rules! > > The setup was two identical system partitions for audio > recording > (tweaked for CPU efficiency and stability), a third > identical clone > used for beta testing of software, one office work system > and one > "crap system" partition used for downloading and > gaming. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 22:25:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 096EB3BEBE; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gCjq0UCN7RngADgOGu1jN7GsxCNRO/lqXGBcqJ/frNQ=; b=a52x/lATnX4Xmyr2oHQZgAkqNlb2V2M748z5zM7U55BxIbrrnhMqMi/48Jb0Y6eQmq r3qN0n9Pujmm9ocQfUtMFy64tFNNXROLc2zc46hW4OGdsv2kfkV5gsGXfV+9b+2iQ5sb OcApGVWOmgUmn1a5P+j0Y4d9ZuLB2jF4svmn0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OpPLBXesK5ZcrM6kbeIoeNsxfWasNELGYhWstO6qzPKuQ0k9cxBiUKvomGleJreQ8V GwwjaFkWuNPCYHfpcN2LPG87nWKipqAfl536CnfRrHszVaTlTZUBKjAzPV2rfBMgvzZp jO0FTNTOhnZYe8MOsDIF9t4oJ0xu0I01h4eyc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811041425w5f02b71epfe7ff00e979ddd44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:25:56 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:25:57 +0000 (UTC) >> but the last time I did, Max and Mobius would not play nice together >> and share the MIDI port. Well, don't then! Pop in a second USB MIDI port and you're back on track. The MIDI Link recommended ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:04:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A629F3BEC4; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=0afrUpvveU6Yz8tvdGkPz2yg4uIldJ6C5q75Y2LiDYEzvjLwjxWZAbVckd8Vqht1NPMgwelxWbNywayAm7YAIWQyaXX0nj2niYKlr2ILhQ1tYbcommUuGAsftrkczdscE5K2iF/Gnj6nIOqdHj8/SIoXlV1ymWmPR8OWQyNv6c8=; X-YMail-OSG: nPeBYHAVM1nlW5TCR44AbGabODsgwjrN5NJfs2it8eKsMXJnlROibU7S4LltUo1lgw-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Thanks to all for Y2K8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <369366.2319.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes Kris,i was really lucky to be staying at Ricks place where i met Calimba man and we had some amazing magical jams in Ricks garage,i initially went in there to try to get my loop rig together which i completely borrowed from Rick(god bless his soul)and as i was trying stuff out calimba man came in and liked what he was hearing then he hooked up his stuff and we just started jaming for hours! we kept going yeah,groovy man,sounds sweet shit,fuck we gotta record this! this must have been around 12 noon,we intially wanted to go out on pacific ave. and play in the streets but we got lost so much in the music that all of the sudden it was 4 o clock and there was only time for me to shower grab a bite and head to the venue to setup! For me it was definetly one of the highlights of this trip, i dont even want to imagine what it must have been like with other such creative musicians around that were there,id say next time we got to have a day off in between and all get together party and make music with no electronics,this can also lead to something really special!! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > From: Krispen Hartung > Subject: Re: Thanks to all for Y2K8 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 9:09 PM > I was just discussing something with Luis over email, which > I wanted to share. Those of you who were staying with Rick > and/or Bill were fortunate to be able to engage in informal > jam sessions outside of the festival. That is one social > element I miss from most of these festivals, including my > own (yet, Rick and I did get a chance to play together in my > garage, along with Rainer in a club in Germany, which was a > real hoot). > > Many of us go to the event, watch people perform for > several hours, play our 1-2 sets, and then go home, but we > never get much chance to cross-pollinate the artistic love, > man. We are all together at the event, but not really > together in the personal sense. There are many musicians who > I would have loved to play with at prior festivals (Luis, > Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S, Chris C, Leander, Erdem, > Arild, Michael K, just to name a few), even record with to > lay down material for potential CDs. It would be cool if we > could setup a back room playing area and a sign-up list, so > that musicians playing at the festival could play and record > with each other. Just think of the potential for > collaboration. Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my > next festival here in Boise. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Walker > > > > Well another year and another great festival is in the > books. In spite of the late start on organizing and the > economic woes that trickled down in various ways to us, I > thought that this was as strong a year as ever. I was lucky > this year to be able to catch most everyone and I was > impressed by both new artists and artists that have been > here before. Musical evolution before my very eyes, > that's what I'm talking about! I was lucky that > the gear gods were smiling down on me this year and with the > exception of 4 o5 false starts to begin a tune Friday night, > I had no gear snafus. The Friday night set with Rick was > very enjoyable with a highlight being Kevin "Kalimba > man" Curtis joining us for some vocalizing. It was > great to play with Rick, who played killer hand drums and > ghatam, and it was the first time I've performed an > entire set using just lap steel guitars. This was very > gratifying as it is the instrument that I am having the most > enjoyment playing these days. I also had my Sunday night > solo spot switched to Saturday evening to accommodate a > scheduling conflict which in hindsight was a lucky break for > me, as I wasn't too tired from the weekend to stay > focused. As great as the Music was, it was the interaction > with new and old friends that makes this Festival so > worthwhile. Getting to know new friends like Roberto Z, Luis > A, James B, Kevin C, Jim G and Darrel S and also getting to > spend time with old friends like Hidecki > "Mandoman" , and Ryusei, who stayed with us > during the festival was beyond great. Many thanks to Krispen > H, Ted K, Chris C, Rodent, Jeff Sloan, Mike J, Gretchen M, > Bob B, and all of the artists, you know who you are, and > lastly but not leastly thanks to Rick, who puts a ceaseless > amount of time and energy in to making this happen, and > manages to bring together an amazingly diverse group of > artists to play, hang out, swap war stories and information, > and generally have a blast doing so. I was marveling today > that, where else can one go and be able to see, such > diversity and creativity in music? We had vocalists, an > enormous variety of guitar styles, a Theremin player, > turntablists and beat boxers, lap top users, sound collage > artists, a guy playing a shovel, singer/songwriters. Bass > players of 4 5 and 6 strings, percussionists, keyboard and > synthesizer players, a Kalimba player, an electric mandolin > player, a mad scientist or two, and multi instrumentalists > galore. > > Thanks again to all involved, it was fantastic.. > > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:24:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F9A93BECC; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=jQKlwdXlrx73HQlpnZVY3NyqMFoOnjV/22QlLvgyZx4=; b=OUnnC29PgDaFyb/yKxLhapp88eN+e9DLY6q5jFcBY3aUvYYzTxPLO0zbg3/CQP3u0w 607WvBNcOpqcO+054kSpNCxwR6DR4XrXel772lETHJXYYD1EJoBtxWqNHopdun6IJtDM gYLiaT+VkuPAZU8BGQN1kzAoucJYzLMn5uLdg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jp9MsKp7yKRbqg0qpAZJJgoxIiEkAoZhv9ED//UGFgnoFM+KQiboOVWl2nBH4PTTh7 rSOL9BWYC4cyLpCKkBH6iud0KDTmNmdjE0xUtm+rsOU7T4gx1Dv7zptIbUnJtHJr8VjT zQZ/3u9swAGjbXBJ/31x2s2N5EHHWNGmcbYq0= Message-ID: <101191640811041524p1420be3cm6cf0151e75e71cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:24:22 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_81281_28844970.1225841062404" References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 357586a3f16d8c57 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:24:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_81281_28844970.1225841062404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > BTW, I'm very possibly going to finally abandon my >> always-a-work-in-progress MAX/MSP looper in favor of Mobius now that >> it's on the Mac, ... >> > > Maybe you can do both? Best of both worlds. I may try that again, but the > last time I did, Max and Mobius would not play nice together and share the > MIDI port. I might try again to see what happens, running Mobius as a VST. I > like Mobius because it handles all the meat and pototoes looping very > efficiency, wherease I can use my max looper for all the mangled random > looping. > > Kris > > at a certain point it becomes a performance issue to run all these programs together - i would probably continue to use them both, but in separate contexts. it's true that my looper can play back 16 loops at different speeds, and vary all the speeds in interesting ways, so it's unlikely i'm going to get that outside of Max... but the meat-and-potatoes part can be a little buggy, and i'm just sick of spending so much time programming (that's my day job too). maybe if i give it a rest for a while i'll feel differently. so i guess it'd be more accurate to say, i'm about to experiment with mobius and see what the losses and gains are. and i'm about to load up the computer even more, i believe, with a very exciting beta from a friend that i can hardly wait to talk about here, but i'm not allowed yet. so i'm trying to be a bit careful about the cycles i'm using. and it will drive me back in some ways towards max, so who really knows? i think i have another 2-3 months of utter chaos, a couple of months of consolidation, and maybe i'll have some really cool stuff together for next years' loopfest. ------=_Part_81281_28844970.1225841062404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:

BTW, I'm very possibly going to finally abandon my
always-a-work-in-progress MAX/MSP looper in favor of Mobius now that
it's on the Mac, ...

Maybe  you can do both? Best of both worlds. I may try that again, but the last time I did, Max and Mobius would not play nice together and share the MIDI port. I might try again to see what happens, running Mobius as a VST. I like Mobius because it handles all the meat and pototoes looping very efficiency, wherease I can use my max looper for all the mangled random looping.

Kris

at a certain point it becomes a performance issue to run all these programs together - i would probably continue to use them both, but in separate contexts. it's true that my looper can play back 16 loops at different speeds, and vary all the speeds in interesting ways, so it's unlikely i'm going to get that outside of Max... but the meat-and-potatoes part can be a little buggy, and i'm just sick of spending so much time programming (that's my day job too). maybe if i give it a rest for a while i'll feel differently. so i guess it'd be more accurate to say, i'm about to experiment with mobius and see what the losses and gains are.

and i'm about to load up the computer even more, i believe, with a very exciting beta from a friend that i can hardly wait to talk about here, but i'm not allowed yet. so i'm trying to be a bit careful about the cycles i'm using. and it will drive me back in some ways towards max, so who really knows?

i think i have another 2-3 months of utter chaos, a couple of months of consolidation, and maybe i'll have some really cool stuff together for next years' loopfest. ------=_Part_81281_28844970.1225841062404-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:26:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC7683BECD; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=lc01AnQImlwj3HkQHjY2zdeoei/8ysh3Qql8Ichj6+E=; b=RpEo+P0VZnmS+3XUOsih5HCQSSTicsmzbeiTy8Fr+a9C3paIYNECFXNGvjka4wpdmx P0EXgZmr1InhHrxlTi48V4UEzrZOXnP0WikbpUzBGJzb/4XTHWRidnGy2SduOwg8XDJ3 N5aeO8SDz32Oi5SDK2o4tE6RQvXRQ3+V+CsoI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=vcSk+C0zmfAG3jnqC077uBmeZRfh2RV7EXcWKW4dBcK3SdLZzMsMeXQH36j2dPirWI yh7+G09RNruOq5Ze4zDD02EUUluwrNxLgzvphQRfEpH/pGaesvSEJYi48CHE8jd+6aUg 3DHaYq90R0aWTQBaTTi3x0DN7BEeON5IND6iA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811041526v12e05385j44bc3c0e1d266458@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:26:05 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Slightly OT but timely for today... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_24206_26959582.1225841165811" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:26:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_24206_26959582.1225841165811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Found this on Vimeo just now and though musically a bit more hip than loop, I found the editing, use of political content, pos theme and sense of time all kind of cool. http://www.vimeo.com/1891426 Soon I hope to post a pictoral video essay I shot during this year's Y2K that is hosted on this video site which has become a good find to me, thanks to Mark's earlier post re his Snow video. I'm awaiting a couple remaining permissions prior to making public. Hopefully this evening does make history... Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_24206_26959582.1225841165811 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Found this on Vimeo just now and though musically a bit more hip than loop, I found the editing, use of political content, pos theme and sense of time all kind of cool.  http://www.vimeo.com/1891426
 
Soon I hope to post a pictoral video essay I shot during this year's Y2K that is hosted on this video site which has become a good find to me, thanks to Mark's earlier post re his Snow video.  I'm awaiting a couple remaining permissions prior to making public.
 
Hopefully this evening does make history...
 
Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_24206_26959582.1225841165811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:30:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26B6F3BED6; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:30:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=myianjokDwBVgbbx+gzGezThKzkLPExb4xbCuf3uUZA=; b=Bxw5kO3jEQ1/TpEdLWubrE00sEXo/YZ7VfIw63Z/eTIPEc5zDXeQlKlp3pEdkIbbWK UvRUN2lZe9yjF5UFzzNTVEaXsipavAah2yVuzC3IceU00ZWXeCnPXKi4aLhtTMeh6UJ7 yNpQZop0NzRwNDfKaw+D8gI41cxzYqS523h2U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=yB4cLeWYmY2efB9WVe/d404uaY8KBpPuwE7AkfDuKdQkY0FgKDsdKXFohJ0NMzj/Lz +c6dRJOs+pWIv067kziTZQ7Y3VlCGUYFBLxzWJWDSr5SasSVJjdM2x271Ouum7EjXvdk XIqff7XEvGN+UkfcJKytFAsY2ARlV0EgCPoeU= Message-ID: <101191640811041530h428ac449v2a8ff3e2e4844f36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:30:11 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thanks to all for Y2K8 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_81347_10368934.1225841412022" References: <6F13E8E0E7304123AC317A1A1240F3EF@williamsteed> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bd9d9fb8af0cf777 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:30:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_81347_10368934.1225841412022 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Many of us go to the event, watch people perform for several hours, play > our 1-2 sets, and then go home, but we never get much chance to > cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are all together at the event, > but not really together in the personal sense. There are many musicians who > I would have loved to play with at prior festivals (Luis, Matt D., Per, > Matthias, Dan S, Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, Michael K, just to name a > few), even record with to lay down material for potential CDs. It would be > cool if we could setup a back room playing area and a sign-up list, so that > musicians playing at the festival could play and record with each other. > Just think of the potential for collaboration. Amazong. I may even decide to > to this at my next festival here in Boise. > > Kris > I would like this too - but it depends on a couple of things, mainly enough space and enough people so that the jams don't leave the scheduled performances too sparsely-attended. when i played at Electro-music 2007 in Philly last year, they had an entire community center with 2 performance rooms and a demo room downstairs, and a jam room upstairs, and enough people to attend all of the events. I have to say, it was pretty cool. ------=_Part_81347_10368934.1225841412022 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com> wrote:
 
Many of us go to the event, watch people perform for several hours, play our 1-2 sets, and then go home, but we never get much chance to cross-pollinate the artistic love, man. We are all together at the event, but not really together in the personal sense. There are many musicians who I would have loved to play with at prior festivals (Luis, Matt D., Per, Matthias, Dan S,  Chris C, Leander, Erdem, Arild, Michael K, just to name a few), even record with to lay down material for potential CDs.  It would be cool if we could setup a back room playing area and a sign-up list, so that musicians playing at the festival could play and record with each other.   Just think of the potential for collaboration. Amazong. I may even decide to to this at my next festival here in Boise.
 
Kris

I would like this too - but it depends on a couple of things, mainly enough space and enough people so that the jams don't leave the scheduled performances too sparsely-attended. when i played at Electro-music 2007 in Philly last year, they had an entire community center with 2 performance rooms and a demo room downstairs, and a jam room upstairs, and enough people to attend all of the events. I have to say, it was pretty cool.

------=_Part_81347_10368934.1225841412022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:30:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96783BEE1; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=E7Jb3xK2QvK1FAEMznDG9dPByX8zD3a4Sf5VrDr4j6Ls3f6PysAvRopO7arAqO4tU3x6ZIx0npCL6xwKI1kKMKvH+9WoC8+0MTun+dzoz0eBo31Y3aMjxF5rqYT97eff3wygMG0WBv85/7tYzi0eYD8T1awto8kora4bc8ralNc=; X-YMail-OSG: ITI.lWEVM1nOAQb5fMxTzu8NM2HU9BXslOxwIlBZzkG_2ARjMHJ9NQ1MhOUxFUk7Eo23eLcwkeEXuoWzfBV80IlOCPsd8lFAQVl_SVxXU.7f8bw0N1i6BoIYsiA9WBz_SZyH44bfdOzl52IsB04xi7SG9XvJHha2fMI44m8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811041524p1420be3cm6cf0151e75e71cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 15:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-838871800-1225841422=:28841" Message-ID: <284474.28841.qm@web50312.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:30:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-838871800-1225841422=:28841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apparently, my madness knows no bounds, for I have just purchased a Roland = RE-501 off eBay. And I'm looking at that massive tape cartridge (and the So= und-On-Sound switch) in the pictures thinking, "hmmm....perhaps a hardware = looper I will be!" =0A=A0=0AOf course I will still use Mobius. But as Warre= n mentioned, in a different context. I anticipate the creation of a few tap= e-based pieces in the nearish future. What is the UPS delivery time to west= coast from east coast? =0A=A0=0A:)=0A=0A=0A --0-838871800-1225841422=:28841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

Apparently, my madness knows no bounds, for I have just purchased a Roland RE-501 off eBay. And I'm looking at that massive tape cartridge (and the Sound-On-Sound switch) in the pictures thinking, "hmmm....perhaps a hardware looper I will be!"

 

Of course I will still use Mobius. But as Warren mentioned, in a different context. I anticipate the creation of a few tape-based pieces in the nearish future. What is the UPS delivery time to west coast from east coast?

 

:)


--0-838871800-1225841422=:28841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 4 23:50:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D9033BED9; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMeWRzsUf8w== Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: WG: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:50:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ack9PDVmGD63cLfUTnam4oDzm3TwGgBlHOLwAAHciQA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:50:29 +0000 (UTC) This kinda better-late-than-never post on the topic will address some of = the others' posts on the topic, as well as my own experiences on that path = (as a guy who still has his big hardware setup, but has been using laptops for live gigs exclusively since early 2006). [nb: if for short I write "software" or "hardware", it's meant to mean = "a means of processing audio which runs on a typcial computer system like a laptop" or "a means of audio processing which does not run on a computer like a laptop"). There were a lot of topics discussed in this context, which I'll talk = about specifically after I do my introduction... I had been using hardware for a long time (see above for how long), then switched to a laptop-based setup. The reason? I got an invitation to headline a festival in California (guess which one), and I had somehow = to go there without quite literally breaking the bank (not counting in the = back). Back at that time (and this hasn't changed since), my hardware setup consisted of, among other things, two five-octave synths (Wavestation = and Q), a MC505 groovebox, an 8HU angled rack filled to the brim (and also holding a 24-6-4-2 mixer), DL4, Kaoss Pad, Micromodular, V-Bass, FCB1010 = and tons of expression pedals and footswitches, and a big six-string bass guitar. I didn't even own proper (read: airline luggage handling ready) cases for most of it. To cut a long story short: I made a setup in a computer, took along an interface, a faderbox and the dreaded FCB and borrowed a guitar and a keyboard locally. Problem solved. (I wrote a lot about my experiences also here: http://www.moinlabs.de/i_glt.htm) To do a quick summary: I believe that Per's thesis that "outside" players (in the meaning of = "far away") play laptop setups more often because of transport logistics is spot-on. Unless your setup is quite simple equipment-wise (say, RC-50 = and a tube screamer), the laptop is always smaller - plus, you don't have the hassle with power converters. Krispen's theory that people doing experimental music have more fun with laptops (and/or are willing to have it) may or may not be true - = actually, I believe to really enjoy some of the benefits a computer setup offers = (like the bigger degree of flexibility, as offered by solutions as MAX/MSP, PD = or Reaktor) you need to be an experimental person, and experimental persons more often than others tend to play experimental music. There really aren't any "out of the box" solutions for computer users = like, say, a Boss RC-50, where you basically connect the guitar on one end, = the amp on the other and, switch on and start having fun. The entry barrier = is much bigger with computers (at least effort-wise). Now about Rick's assumption there would be more laptop users at the = festival because the list is dominated by them: that loop survey I did about one = year ago (on this list) showed that about 80% prefer hardware (meaning: no computer). So there was that theory that laptop users only have more problems to discuss, so...frankly, I'm too lazy to do a proper = statistic, so I'm just picking a random month from this year and count messages for = the first week by categories "hardware setup", "computer setup", "other = gear" and "non-gear related" - and the result is 32 to 1 to 13 to 58. (Meaning basically that less than 50% is about gear, and less than 1% (!) is = about computer-based stuff). Of course, Rick, I assume that if I had picked another month or another = week the result would have been different (I just did that without doing the proper math, with a slightly less radical but still qualitatively = similar result), but it seems to me that there are still lots of hardware geeks = on the list discussion hardware issues.=20 So, for some finishing thoughts about my personal take on this: a) Do I look back to my change to computer with regret? No, definitely = not. If that was the case, I'd just start playing the hardware stuff again = (still have all of it, and sometimes I still do). b) If equipment cost and transport logistics didn't play a role, would I switch to a hardware setup? Not entirely - most probably, I'd use a combination of both realms. c) The aspect about hardware or software in comparison which affected my musical productivity the most? The fact that the computer setup has a high-quality recorder built in and I got the recording already in the computer afterwards. Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] > Gesendet: Sonntag, 2. November 2008 23:42 > An: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Betreff: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers >=20 > Coming out of my post loopfestival coma that I always seem to go > into each year, I noticed a really surprising thing at the=20 > loopfestival this year: >=20 > From being on this list I just assumed that the festival would be=20 > increasingly dominated by laptop live loopers but by a cursory count=20 > (and this is very cursory) I think I only saw three or four people > using laptops in their sets. Everybody else (35-40 artists) were=20 > using hardware. >=20 > I was shocked by this. >=20 > Maybe the hardware people on the list just aren't as vociferous or as=20 > prolific as posters as the software people. >=20 > What do you'all think? >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 00:02:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6AE63BEDC; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1813 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 00:02:18 UTC Message-ID: <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 18:32:03 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: If the world could vote References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.3) X-Originating-IP: 216.16.232.115 X-Remote-Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; SV1; FunWebProducts; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; InfoPath.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:02:18 +0000 (UTC) It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what folks around the world would like to see happen in this election. You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of the screen. http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 00:08:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F37813BEF3; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMeWRzsUf8w== Message-ID: <900d63kA4LLNNX.RZmta@mo-p05-ob.rzone.de> From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: If the world could vote Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:08:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Ack+2cWNdOx4FQmkSB2SwjpyR/Vx6gAAK7Pw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:08:03 +0000 (UTC) This is great, obviously Iraq believes in soldiers, not in discoursers... > http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 00:41:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB45D3BEF5; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:41:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Z3AZBk3vgjjwiUZNc6AzbiT5ST1u8i/ZjlT0tCixmww=; b=rSJXExn3m4DpG7cTFPsFndGSwdHONgoyB3kEz1+y0ozDtUrwAgW15/CRH+zh/UFMJx 3iZT6SiaaW9KhmrExPYereawPGc6sXsyNmic4V1umVfAijrO21Vwz9N4MPx3KIOR2Zya 1C9QR1hDcoM/+p/2RdH/mphzvxLoeNXJ0F4ew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=DL+/FYoDCV3ABd1gBINVdoFxd4pXNfvtgMACgsI6L4ythM6ZZBNCLReqbzQ3gMox+P 1dPSJRrW32vbuvov8vhhqvAaOSAaFTORxJlHEsqGTMeBW6sDY13jxxKSQsrZhUl/ojh1 smcv1Jaaen0PpipqRadVCSmm9+TLhn8GOvZVk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:41:45 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: <900d63kA4LLNNX.RZmta@mo-p05-ob.rzone.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <900d63kA4LLNNX.RZmta@mo-p05-ob.rzone.de> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 00a16292585d046b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:41:46 +0000 (UTC) that's great. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > This is great, obviously Iraq believes in soldiers, not in discoursers... > >> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 01:07:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0F63BEF9; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=C7VnLyZNMPXIAh63T9kIcCn6SmXJzemLTrYkHH3/7uQ=; b=DEyGICg64Mc01KwvIQv/Z31hg2SeMNbgdOyLuAI2Axsuvjk4dMgFWWNLOJrmcrjXeX lauR/bm5GR2G0NbvYEizFKpGfClEAtpc0krRSev4RBpm2BDHGvLo31+zAs9BMP9JEjgj zq/TJnzi/L93CYcrOoBwy9aH4lXot2tOZqjFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rv7Z7cyw2jCbHUnCZSDXQqG3BkAr/smkFJ7JH7sIu8AX6gbhU91ZVRLm7HXtykpfu3 bp7f0fMT8ry5YPmkBQTwdTg9/XNqIPmY+HIKQCPRTzktZPneIVwNZdEnBF5PX5H8+MPm nnpiIl1WeqBP9EHw9sP4GtVukua5dJHQU1KxY= Message-ID: <101191640811041707k5e1fa693r9473dcd586c76d77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:07:32 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K8: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83136_19359789.1225847252260" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 11c08e7a0e5eb235 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 01:07:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_83136_19359789.1225847252260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ahh... hard numbers. you're my type of guy, Rainer. nice analysis. ------=_Part_83136_19359789.1225847252260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ahh... hard numbers. you're my type of guy, Rainer. nice analysis.
------=_Part_83136_19359789.1225847252260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 03:50:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C9013BEFF; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: If the world could vote Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:50:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the world would want? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: If the world could vote > It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what > folks around the world would like to see happen in this election. > > > > > > You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of > the screen. > > > http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results > > > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 04:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77D573BF05; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ncLXO+s1rV2rcYPaxUS97PfUSxNUO1v1uzGgetuf/74=; b=pvPqFLs/Qsz7B1haEPsxfotEXOv0g6dWpnAE5N2efmnwsB+bJNz0TLPV2yEiNrG/Nd vnF8oji6YV16CcRZzfZteVBRVG4DS8U+sjSeNKWDrbZa9tzwqEI3z2JK5zR448JxzH5c Zyq+upxSOJp3CxWl9OWb9bEfjn2xfFxL23uwk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rtkQtoG4nro8f/lW3XreQgugaG8CishNytEhy1tjJOWp3h4dwWmy2VAB8cpQObpaTC HnZCAbbkvnlFjzsHH+Rq0eS2kyJ+tbKyJO7RapBr2EuBsVWaGuSRapEY8VOUVofsH1Pe +ZCZHU4hxgXdN1oxUxQwhcaAFgTwIcRdeBHdc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:19:02 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 86da79aa442ad2c3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:19:03 +0000 (UTC) well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the world hate us, wouldn't it? On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: > Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the > world would want? > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM > Subject: If the world could vote > > >> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what folks >> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >> >> >> >> >> >> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of >> the screen. >> >> >> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >> >> >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.dulcify.ca >> Ontario, Canada >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 04:34:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794113BF0A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=oRrgePeiOB03AsKryr+3IKTDxSC3zXNI8NeWKigpHJxTeoQDRT1ZT8nE8Ny6INVv1h89CvK8yq5tmd1p5WBJdn5Oz7NAh4eUM4dxxL4+p+QqjBNmcdL5uelszAhHA7paXhLrZdnYgDTA6L33IKOqVIOIdPSPyOTasomQ6EltYWY=; X-YMail-OSG: 1IdC2rcVM1nXtPb584S4nccuO8NO9HvOdTjFU3iEy0OX0FkO6Fiv09hgo1sXE9f.VvBtToGG09rdHYgtCUoqoOAMlS4Roq89NZh8oftnTUG9zsGvHCWaqiuc55EmG1n1gorxTnCq0g5hf1lX3H5bwvHgR9DxczEDXPT.bcI- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:33:58 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: If the world could vote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <913490.6052.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Well it seems Obama has won. I'm glad. I just watched McCain publicly concede, and ironically, for the first time in this campaign he came off as sincere and "presidential". At least for me. He was gracious in defeat and I applaud him for it. Now let's just hope Obama lives up to the hype. Fingers crossed!!! -George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 04:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0AD03BF0F; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:34:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oU9oEowzCZdH1pJ999b7uQUbMKhzs6Fl2ixTI3MxPCM=; b=LkJqxIvaaB07No5UqmIG0DY6WHoOn+Kl6AiHRKNF8Q0VCruzW+DWUOs+eFNiGnDcMH RnYlMXd3tfnZ97FpAcO76Pz42nzJX/RQWLvcqNamTzuuKyZhNFTK1RghOz7iQ1rrZfk/ 75uuarDpHKnXrI+DFH/yCcoyjy32QXJ58xN6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nxrjBa/EMp0QRCnd2990rQDKnidMkxF5GlteIaEh6pDr9qvB90EFvk6ahEaxrg2oWh DQnWPrd11YyRsIKrJF8HVCm17F0lYsjRJVGBjSANsQtsZz6ZtfsvixW0zqCi5uKWorvD ktFWm/MGVNRSS1j7mjvnn1ivBuLGlqnWJt90Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:34:25 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_82642_22350056.1225859665869" References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:34:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_82642_22350056.1225859665869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline we did. On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Nick wrote: > well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the > world hate us, wouldn't it? > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: > > Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the > > world would want? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM > > Subject: If the world could vote > > > > > >> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what > folks > >> around the world would like to see happen in this election. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of > >> the screen. > >> > >> > >> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul Haslem > >> www.dulcify.ca > >> Ontario, Canada > >> > > > > > > -- c.white http://magicicada.com http://myspace.com/magicicada ------=_Part_82642_22350056.1225859665869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline we did.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Nick <ParadoxQuine@gmail.com> wrote:
well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the
world hate us, wouldn't it?

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com> wrote:
> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the
> world would want?
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <phaslem@wightman.ca>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM
> Subject: If the world could vote
>
>
>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what folks
>> around the world would like to see happen in this election.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side  of
>> the screen.
>>
>>
>>    http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Haslem
>> www.dulcify.ca
>> Ontario, Canada
>>
>
>




--
c.white

http://magicicada.com
http://myspace.com/magicicada
------=_Part_82642_22350056.1225859665869-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 04:41:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0383BF12; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> From: To: References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: Subject: OT Re: If the world could vote Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 22:40:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Sure, but that's my point. I'm speaking from a cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective. We teach our kids to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think. We live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and doing our thing regardless of reviews. Yet in national politics we need to be loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to what the rest of the world thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: If the world could vote > well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the > world hate us, wouldn't it? > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the >> world would want? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM >> Subject: If the world could vote >> >> >>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >>> folks >>> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of >>> the screen. >>> >>> >>> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Haslem >>> www.dulcify.ca >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 04:51:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6463C3BF17; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Obama Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 20:51:41 -0800 Message-ID: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93EBF.26ACE330" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack/AjF98ngYX04URWKtgoDz5KDHuw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 04:51:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93EBF.26ACE330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hallelujah! Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93EBF.26ACE330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hallelujah!

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93EBF.26ACE330-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:03:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1538E3BF1A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:03:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=RYSQtCYnnYSmOfwwysAIz87GChx1OAfhi6Kx27hxpXJAWn1UwbP8CsVo4p5mTpRV92CJUF6oGHYptAzztKEvY8BKaZ31QnvwmxmlVjaat87wYTGzrs7QQILcM7Nw4qbgH5I3uC0DaO7uz6iNn29SUfMcAurr5hil7yEMUG25eWI=; X-YMail-OSG: xQ1NYV8VM1me1FW8sPRBczuYpuvzeqEUq0DS3cNc6zegQITmoTxLf2uFia7lMfrRfeEGVGEM5WOqOr0D28_tqbv23b4x.MAjil8oXnKC5.iGUXs45cJu8oV748S.PnqNJLb8lFAmwL4KeeNcOK_oDRxN.XDF22mL9xJod2uqnJEJvRL.7XZyhCF.skPiCEDR5Sf_PiXFMpV5DuM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:03:50 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <319691.57546.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:03:53 +0000 (UTC) i havent met one person here in southern germany who is for Mc Cain,yet in my recent stay in San Francisco i met a couple of guys from texas at the Johnny Foleys Irish pub who said Bush wasnt bad as everyone thinks,he has only been misunderstood;-) I think the winning of Obama will be more of a relief for the whole world than anything else! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 11/4/08, phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > From: phaslem@wightman.ca > Subject: If the world could vote > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:32 PM > It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting > to see what > folks around the world would like to see happen in this > election. > > > > > > You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" > tab on the left side > of the screen. > > > http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results > > > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > Ontario, Canada From onlineanouncement_lotto@uknl.com Wed Nov 5 05:25:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 305 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:25:15 UTC Received: from ns2.westianet.net (ns2.westianet.net [207.177.9.198]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0FD3BF18; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from westianet.net (ns1.westianet.net [207.177.9.197]) by ns2.westianet.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mA27WtWG023661; Sun, 2 Nov 2008 01:32:55 -0600 From: "UK NATIONAL LOTTERY DEPT." 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Copyright © 2008 UK National Lottery Award From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:35:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7623C3BF00; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:35:34 UTC Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:38:18 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: If the world could vote In-reply-to: <913490.6052.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <913490.6052.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2qJGC.A.XUH.nCTEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:35:35 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 4, 2008, at 10:33 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > Well it seems Obama has won. I'm glad. I just watched McCain > publicly concede, and ironically, for the first time in this > campaign he came off as sincere and "presidential". At least for > me. He was gracious in defeat and I applaud him for it. Same here. My respect and admiration for him just increased ten fold-- at least. Watershed moment for sure... But, as you say, fingers crossed for what the future holds. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:47:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E2283BEF4; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9/baHGz9miSo8+ABSO7LHCaC+O1BvUnVjUSEnTtYbv0=; b=HQG19AEANx73KApKVlGXEv2BPg4BGsTOru26L/CXNw1QKbB7UHcCXnJYRfErXICCow I05Kfj4mPIuT0aMetw5soPAd9d3fZFRS/sF/NC8lB84sDb7zAyx2pCZbC2P0OLTPh8X6 QNIvUHn8uA77TuDPKNqTnxxaK9nGje9bzJ2wE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J50n4CD56yslFvhko+qHO9LzHC3+wEy4vk2Ut7Xb9jjQNXyQxs7VFrluA1Mh0A1Qw7 2aBrmvznyg+3H1RJprWHjmeSV0rvMLMVlaAFTREKFKyzu9wiWw/bZoCL2laiDz3kP51r ihen+b0xxCUsi01K1WLQ82p/+TWL5bX5+oOBA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:47:37 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Obama Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Echo'd pretty jubulant here in ny. My wife and I were at an election watching party tonight and as soon as the California polls closed, the exit polls moment later declared and the house I was at just lit up cheers. Really feels like something amazing has transpired. Best to all Jim On 11/4/08, William Walker wrote: > Hallelujah! > > Bill > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6EE3BF29; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT Re: If the world could vote Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:48:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: Ack/ALXVfsTRmQTJSYqdBh6RjWnx9gACNkiw Message-Id: <20081105054841.1C6C43BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:48:41 +0000 (UTC) I don't know how much you've traveled abroad, but from my limited experience, I can tell you that the last eight years have made many people--who previously admired America--fearful and distrustful of America. Those in Europe who either remember or have families who suffered through the 1930s and 40s are especially sensitive to seeing one person or small group of persons get too much concentrated power in a great industrialized state. When I was in Italy in 2005, an older gentleman who spoke English asked me over coffee one morning: "Did your country not learn the lessons of World War II?" dave Sure, but that's my point. I'm speaking from a cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective. We teach our kids to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think. We live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and doing our thing regardless of reviews. Yet in national politics we need to be loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to what the rest of the world thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM Subject: Re: If the world could vote > well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the > world hate us, wouldn't it? > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the >> world would want? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM >> Subject: If the world could vote >> >> >>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >>> folks >>> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of >>> the screen. >>> >>> >>> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Haslem >>> www.dulcify.ca >>> Ontario, Canada >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:51:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 247E43BF2B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=36g3NYi8udahkKE/7btFKqH8nPJ4TI/zd3vpPMzgCY8=; b=ettZf5ffdhV1ssg5Tz6TT4cpOaxCJ+IJysn8EVDoBN3LCGNFuroH9uHB1FkSzdtIBu JKEkOjRv9j9pLXR9ai5zQXVvQA2zV5N60YfGMT3dm7wwT1PZEc+KBSbE7QI6yz20hIgy cDzvxi/0WHxlVGVqXEuDG2CmkCUuZvxhWnHq0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=IYXcofunE4ZuiGTyirRWvvMtNWs7BdI115gY6iO4a1091RxC1b7T2/fIKa+bUFErbA 47U8a0ISnf7GnmZUehUqRguV+H9SqsmG8rtQ/5/wBMYGkBiwJy7hyAmZStC1vTFz5qEg BWG9MOY7E9pvgd336OlwjlcqIQetjAan7+PTQ= Message-ID: <333287c30811042151k4fb47a46h9b40d9ea93e4ae1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 21:51:12 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: <913490.6052.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2442_19471620.1225864272354" References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <913490.6052.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:51:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2442_19471620.1225864272354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My sentiments exactly. Don't finally say "let's sell hope" and then not give it. Unfortunately, the president only has so much power... but I'll certainly be watching to see what he does with the power he does have (says one of those swing type of voters -ie think for yourself, look at the good and bad in all- who, in the end, cast hist vote for our new president). At least it can't get much worse.... right? ;) -nn happyhumans.org On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > Well it seems Obama has won. I'm glad. I just watched McCain publicly > concede, and ironically, for the first time in this campaign he came off as > sincere and "presidential". At least for me. He was gracious in defeat and I > applaud him for it. > > Now let's just hope Obama lives up to the hype. Fingers crossed!!! > > -George > > > > > ------=_Part_2442_19471620.1225864272354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My sentiments exactly.  Don't finally say "let's sell hope" and then not give it. 

Unfortunately, the president only has so much power... but I'll certainly be watching to see what he does with the power he does have (says one of those swing type of voters -ie think for yourself, look at the good and bad in all- who, in the end, cast hist vote for our new president).

At least it can't get much worse.... right? ;)

-nn
happyhumans.org
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:33 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well it seems Obama has won. I'm glad. I just watched McCain publicly concede, and ironically, for the first time in this campaign he came off as sincere and "presidential". At least for me. He was gracious in defeat and I applaud him for it.

Now let's just hope Obama lives up to the hype. Fingers crossed!!!

-George





------=_Part_2442_19471620.1225864272354-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:51:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BC653BED6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 05:51:46 UTC Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:54:30 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote In-reply-to: <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <979244B8-147E-4881-BF21-5F456C19078B@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> Resent-Message-ID: <3b3WL.A.QyH.yRTEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:51:46 +0000 (UTC) > Yet in national politics we need to be loved....Very few countries > in the rest of the world show concern to what the rest of the world > thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... I don't think it stems from the need to be admired, much less loved. It's because US policy--in large part determined by its president-- has such an enormous impact on so many parts of the world. We've squandered all the good will that much of the world had toward us post 9-11. We've alienated so many allies. We've brought misery and suffering to many parts of the world much more often than we've brought hope and good will. I think (frankly) many of us here (speaking for myself, certainly) are embarrassed, shocked, and outraged and what's transpired these past 8 years. At least now we have a face to present to the rest of the world that is conciliatory instead of combative, level-headed instead of impulsive, (ahem...) intelligent (!!) instead of anti-intellectual, and God knows, one that is *not* jingoistic, even while still being patriotic. I'm so relieved that we'll be showing the world a new face, not because I want the rest of the world to give us a big hug, but because I think we may be able to repair much of the damage that's been done and the ill will that we've cultivated. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 05:59:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9E093BEEE; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4A35CBA3EC4C4ABA977D89E902F11BC3@MichaelPC> From: To: References: <20081105054841.1C6C43BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081105054841.1C6C43BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 23:59:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 05:59:28 +0000 (UTC) My experiences mirror yours. To the credit of most ex-US areas they distinguish between US people and US government. I am pondering from a phenomenological point of view why we are concerned about other countries' opinions while others could care less about ours (and I've seen this first hand especially when the Soviet Union fell apart where I heard on more than one occasion "Your opinion about who we elect means nothing-this is our country", and seen it in Spain, Britain, Germany and France) Perhaps, because in the world's timeframe we're still new kids on the block, so to speak, so we want other's approval? it's just a curious US phenomenon... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:48 PM Subject: RE: OT Re: If the world could vote >I don't know how much you've traveled abroad, but from my limited > experience, I can tell you that the last eight years have made many > people--who previously admired America--fearful and distrustful of > America. > Those in Europe who either remember or have families who suffered through > the 1930s and 40s are especially sensitive to seeing one person or small > group of persons get too much concentrated power in a great industrialized > state. When I was in Italy in 2005, an older gentleman who spoke English > asked me over coffee one morning: "Did your country not learn the lessons > of World War II?" > > dave > > > Sure, but that's my point. I'm speaking from a > cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective. We teach our kids > to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think. We > live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and doing > our > > thing regardless of reviews. Yet in national politics we need to be > loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to what > the rest of the world thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM > Subject: Re: If the world could vote > > >> well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the >> world hate us, wouldn't it? >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >>> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the >>> world would want? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM >>> Subject: If the world could vote >>> >>> >>>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >>>> folks >>>> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side >>>> of >>>> the screen. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Paul Haslem >>>> www.dulcify.ca >>>> Ontario, Canada >>>> >>> >>> >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 06:17:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBD2F3BE93; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> <979244B8-147E-4881-BF21-5F456C19078B@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <979244B8-147E-4881-BF21-5F456C19078B@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:17:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 06:17:51 +0000 (UTC) I can see wanting to repair ill will, especially from the perspective of the US wanting to set an example. I agree there is a common "embarrassment" about how the US (this President) has acted on many fronts; but again, our desire to make us right with the world is, the more I think about it, singularly a trait of citizens of the US (and perhaps Great Britain if one digs deeper) and I'm not sure too many other countries' folks would take this tack when they vote their leaders in (at least the ones who allow voting!) I'm first generation here in the States and having had family and friends that grew up never being able to vote makes me all the more thankful for the process we have here to vote people in (and out!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote >> Yet in national politics we need to be loved....Very few countries in >> the rest of the world show concern to what the rest of the world thinks >> of their candidates. Just an observation... > > I don't think it stems from the need to be admired, much less loved. It's > because US policy--in large part determined by its president-- > has such an enormous impact on so many parts of the world. We've > squandered all the good will that much of the world had toward us post > 9-11. We've alienated so many allies. We've brought misery and suffering > to many parts of the world much more often than we've brought hope and > good will. I think (frankly) many of us here (speaking for myself, > certainly) are embarrassed, shocked, and outraged and what's transpired > these past 8 years. At least now we have a face to present to the rest of > the world that is conciliatory instead of combative, level-headed instead > of impulsive, (ahem...) intelligent (!!) instead of anti-intellectual, > and God knows, one that is *not* jingoistic, even while still being > patriotic. I'm so relieved that we'll be showing the world a new face, > not because I want the rest of the world to give us a big hug, but > because I think we may be able to repair much of the damage that's been > done and the ill will that we've cultivated. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 08:45:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFA383BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:45:03 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811040531s4879dd2bi4611739471b6472b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081105084503.82270@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081104123511.15840@gmx.net> <66f9cc1e0811040531s4879dd2bi4611739471b6472b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Mobius + Mainstage possible currently? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX193RDNZxTp3gLiZ3IPYPxCw2oBP8RJ7CWeM6Yka7c RMOqSQ9si30BcuHJ8qrhkt5oOTOtQjnYocvg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: bjRkehcVODB6QsN6iGVMPEA9Ji9SWhKf X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:45:05 +0000 (UTC) ok Per, thanks fot the info, very helpful. Buzap -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 08:57:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C13E3BE7E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:57:34 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3589f036-f84b-4c15-b02e-067c55605ebf_" X-Originating-IP: [222.123.19.21] From: Jeremy devros To: , Subject: RE: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 00:52:33 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 08:52:34.0306 (UTC) FILETIME=[D85BA620:01C93F23] Resent-Message-ID: <2vb2U.A.RPD.__VEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:57:35 +0000 (UTC) --_3589f036-f84b-4c15-b02e-067c55605ebf_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about "bei= ng loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to 't= he world' these past few days--people from Thailand=2C England=2C Canada=2C= Bulgaria=2C France=2C Netherlands=2C Germany=2C etc. EVERYONE has been hop= ing and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over= FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and super= ior firepower.=20 I guess I have to return to the States now when my vacation is over.... Peace and Love to ALL! Cheers=2C J.D.Devros deafrose58 > Date: Wed=2C 5 Nov 2008 00:47:37 -0500 > From: jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com > To: billwalker@baymoon.com > Subject: Re: Obama > CC: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >=20 > Echo'd pretty jubulant here in ny. My wife and I were at an election > watching party tonight and as soon as the California polls closed=2C the > exit polls moment later declared and the house I was at just lit up > cheers. Really feels like something amazing has transpired. >=20 > Best to all >=20 > Jim >=20 > On 11/4/08=2C William Walker wrote: > > Hallelujah! > > > > Bill > > > > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com=2C Jim Goodin is published by > Mel Bay Publications=2C Inc. - http://www.melbay.com >=20 _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part= of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/= --_3589f036-f84b-4c15-b02e-067c55605ebf_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about "bei= ng loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to 't= he world' these past few days--people from Thailand=2C England=2C Canada=2C= Bulgaria=2C France=2C Netherlands=2C Germany=2C etc. EVERYONE has been hop= ing and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over= FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and super= ior firepower.
I guess I have to return to the States now when my vacat= ion is over....
Peace and Love to ALL!
Cheers=2C

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See Now = --_3589f036-f84b-4c15-b02e-067c55605ebf_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 09:20:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C47EF3BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:20:16 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 232EAE44000947232EAF91 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Goodin" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:47 AM Subject: Re: Obama > Echo'd pretty jubulant here in ny. My wife and I were at an election > watching party tonight and as soon as the California polls closed, the > exit polls moment later declared and the house I was at just lit up > cheers. Really feels like something amazing has transpired. > > Best to all > > Jim > > On 11/4/08, William Walker wrote: >> Hallelujah! >> >> Bill >> >> > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by > Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 09:22:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92B03BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> Subject: Re: If the world could vote Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:22:22 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 233098410009472330998E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Well, when the world starts killing each other who do they criticize for not doing anything? And when the world gets persuaded not to kill each other by the US they dump on it for "trying to be the world's policeman". Which one do you usually choose? > Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the > world would want? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM > Subject: If the world could vote > > >> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >> folks around the world would like to see happen in this election. >> >> >> >> >> >> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of >> the screen. >> >> >> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >> >> >> >> Paul Haslem >> www.dulcify.ca >> Ontario, Canada >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 09:24:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4094C3BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20081105054841.1C6C43BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <4A35CBA3EC4C4ABA977D89E902F11BC3@MichaelPC> Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:24:53 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 2332E6870009472332E7D4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <9ndC7C.A.A7D.qZWEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Having lived in England for over eight years now I can easily tell you that many here hate America no matter who is President. > My experiences mirror yours. To the credit of most ex-US areas they > distinguish between US people and US government. I am pondering from a > phenomenological point of view why we are concerned about other countries' > opinions while others could care less about ours (and I've seen this first > hand especially when the Soviet Union fell apart where I heard on more > than one occasion "Your opinion about who we elect means nothing-this is > our country", and seen it in Spain, Britain, Germany and France) > > Perhaps, because in the world's timeframe we're still new kids on the > block, so to speak, so we want other's approval? > > it's just a curious US phenomenon... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Gallaher" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:48 PM > Subject: RE: OT Re: If the world could vote > > >>I don't know how much you've traveled abroad, but from my limited >> experience, I can tell you that the last eight years have made many >> people--who previously admired America--fearful and distrustful of >> America. >> Those in Europe who either remember or have families who suffered through >> the 1930s and 40s are especially sensitive to seeing one person or small >> group of persons get too much concentrated power in a great >> industrialized >> state. When I was in Italy in 2005, an older gentleman who spoke English >> asked me over coffee one morning: "Did your country not learn the >> lessons >> of World War II?" >> >> dave >> >> >> Sure, but that's my point. I'm speaking from a >> cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective. We teach our >> kids >> to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think. We >> live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and doing >> our >> >> thing regardless of reviews. Yet in national politics we need to be >> loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to what >> the rest of the world thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Nick" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: If the world could vote >> >> >>> well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the >>> world hate us, wouldn't it? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >>>> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of >>>> the >>>> world would want? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM >>>> Subject: If the world could vote >>>> >>>> >>>>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >>>>> folks >>>>> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side >>>>> of >>>>> the screen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul Haslem >>>>> www.dulcify.ca >>>>> Ontario, Canada >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 09:28:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE1843BE80; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:28:40 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 23365DCB00094723365F18 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C93F28.E3A409F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:28:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C93F28.E3A409F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeremy devros=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; billwalker@baymoon.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: RE: Obama Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about = "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to = speak to 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, = Canada, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been = hoping and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES = place over FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of = threats and superior firepower.=20 Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were = able to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked. No = foreign policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is = evidence. Great PR doesn't save the world, folks. After never authoring a single = piece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful = man in the world. You'll see won'tcha? Uh, again..? In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went. Let's = hope they don't use nuclear weapons hm? 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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2008 8:52=20 AM
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Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads = about=20 "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to = speak to=20 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, = Canada,=20 Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping = and=20 praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over = FEAR. To=20 see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior=20 firepower.
 
Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, = Truman,=20 Carter... none of which were able to prevent the US being drawn into = war, or=20 outright attacked.  No foreign policy tends to equal certainty of = attack,=20 if history is evidence.
 
Great PR doesn't save the world, = folks. =20 After never authoring a single piece of law this man tricks people into = making=20 him the most powerful man in the world.  You'll see won'tcha?  = Uh,=20 again..?
 
In three years you'll all be wondering = where your=20 country went.  Let's hope they don't use nuclear weapons = hm?
SP Goodman
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------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C93F28.E3A409F0-- From gammatraore033@yahoo.com.co Wed Nov 5 11:15:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 382 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:15:15 UTC Received: from n2c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (n2c.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.79]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 359253BE7B for ; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n2.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 11:08:50 -0000 Received: from [76.13.10.180] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 11:08:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp121.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Nov 2008 11:08:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 322920.15990.bm@omp121.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67599 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2008 11:08:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com.co; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R/XA3YL1PkOBWDEIhXIRBWt64vDFe1+5GQzD6ZdX/VMsIkQCUaO4nyHxB5HXZnjjFa5NQDbn0IN7+E+qHXlovM6dpkKamwpgw/YZE2/KIgSG8No2kR7FsB69mEnTAgngJG8wczwaXT1If/IVl8N82iTPnXV+sUSZSVEw+rIPjqs=; Received: from [41.203.225.92] by web59803.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 03:08:50 PST Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 03:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?q?Gamma=20Traore?= Reply-To: gammatraore103@yahoo.es Subject: GOOD GREETINGS TO YOU MY GOOD FRIEND. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1966698005-1225883330=:63930" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <220881.63930.qm@web59803.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> --0-1966698005-1225883330=:63930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ¡Tengo nueva dirección de correo!Ahora puedes escribirme a:gammatraore033@yahoo.com.co - Dear friend, Good greetings to you, I know this letter will definitely come to you as a surprise. I am Mr Gamma Traore the auditor general in African development bank in Burkina Faso. During the course of our auditing I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1999 and since then nobody has operated on this account again. after going through some old files in the records, I discovered that the owner of the account died a long with his family in plane crash, nobody is yet stand as his next of kin, so I am soliciting for your assistance to present you as the next of kin to the decease hence he does not have some one as his next of kin to inherit the funds the sum of usd$15,000.000.00 (fifteen million united state of America dollars). therefore if you are interested to work with me, urgently get back to me so that I will give you more information and how the funds shall be successfully transfer to you by the bank. i look forward to your reply soonest. Show your willingness by indicating your information’s bellow. Name...........? Home address............? telephone number............? for easy communication...........? Sincerely, Mr. Gamma Traore. --0-1966698005-1225883330=:63930 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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- Dear friend, Good greetings to you, I know this letter will definitely come to you as a surprise. I am Mr Gamma Traore the auditor general in African development bank in Burkina Faso. During the course of our auditing I discovered a floating fund in an account opened in the bank in 1999 and since then nobody has operated on this account again. after going through some old files in the records, I discovered that the owner of the account died a long with his family in plane crash, nobody is yet stand as his next of kin, so I am soliciting for your assistance to present you as the next of kin to the decease hence he does not have some one as his next of kin to inherit the funds the sum of usd$15,000.000.00 (fifteen million united state of America dollars). therefore if you are interested to work with me, urgently get back to me so that I will give you more information and how the funds shall be successfully transfer to you by the bank. i look forward to your reply soonest. Show your willingness by indicating your information’s bellow. Name...........? Home address............? telephone number............? for easy communication...........? Sincerely, Mr. Gamma Traore.
--0-1966698005-1225883330=:63930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 11:44:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCA723BE80; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=eJqJVhmVuyCJWXMhI9YzUUnKB/eM8hNIYYSD7P3W6Ls=; b=fnEZXz8tj4JpKxACtmxbmJa8ygEC4Zs/JzVRmPJLSPZrVsSRX17tK9yqdwR6piWiUP 2j0WDdOtI0hHuB90A5Taq1RH7Vsm1bYO/uw2/CCyP3BX1r0kbubn9SjrH6oZpWdnhQgV 13etDfn/vymFVNt0KY9dYOAGrU+RiclKhy2N0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DzwLQzCV7LngjlsNpdDGGSX4czIS8t7ZH+/ZhV+WLiIUoM7pvb9Bm7luMPdoPGN/qW PSTAAQ8KZSWqLmccrADYVCoL5louonhRWyUd2oUv/0NillfXKBsrMta/+uERMtsd2Yg/ 27iBRVe/Ccs/eIwQLr76KXXuvdiyGuDhJ5rrI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811050344m35793f0cgebd9870183f7f194@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:44:51 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Why Hardware? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811041436o2f456c5cw68dd0969a165b9ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811040546m7b76d549g26b35e041b85cb51@mail.gmail.com> <254309.37766.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811041436o2f456c5cw68dd0969a165b9ff@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:44:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just remembered a point that should have been part of my answer of yesterday: On Mac the trimming of audio related performance tends to be taken care of by the applications. For example, in MainStage's preferences window you can chose how the application shall order priorities, regarding graphics, when times get tough: 1) Automatic 2) Better Visual Quality 3) Balance 4) Better Audio Performance If you don't use the screen much, like me, you may set alternative 4. But if you wish to use the graphics form important monitoring you may use alternative 2 or three. Per On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > No such drastic tweaks are needed for OS X boxes as far as I know. > Turn off network background processes (Bluetooth and Airport. On the > upper right menu or in the system preferences) and set the screen > saver to "never start". > > BTW, the five boot partition trick wasn't for better audio > performance, only for back up and reducing down-time when Windows > messed upp. > > per > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:20 PM, L.Angulo wrote: >> By the way Per,i am new to the Mac world is there a website outthere with Mac tunning tips for better audio performance like there is for Win XP? >> cheers >> Luis >> >> >> >> >>> >>> Back when I was making a living doing studio recordings for >>> clients on >>> a Windows PC I even used a five part bootable partition >>> system. That >>> made it really simple! If Windows fucked up I simply >>> rebooted into an >>> identical clone of that system + applications partition and >>> kept up >>> the work flow. Simplicity rules! >>> >>> The setup was two identical system partitions for audio >>> recording >>> (tweaked for CPU efficiency and stability), a third >>> identical clone >>> used for beta testing of software, one office work system >>> and one >>> "crap system" partition used for downloading and >>> gaming. >>> >>> -- >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 12:21:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 185743BE89; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:21:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:21:12 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811040848h4d4e3989u95de40db1fa21569@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081105122112.152930@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811040848h4d4e3989u95de40db1fa21569@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/R0ktp9+TRYnOpKW5qwINrIzzrzhomSsNK7ACbHU 5nN2hBWn80BGu0UpXka2HETtrwvYdXS1Njgw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: jL0mftRCbGInW9BtlmVnpMxvcmZ1ZlwV X-FuHaFi: 0.6899999999999999 Resent-Message-ID: <2B2mwC.A.oLH.6-YEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:21:14 +0000 (UTC) > Akai EWI4000s breath and touch controlled "electric > sax". It sound great and feels just like an acoustic instrument to > play. When I wen to the Leonard Cohen concert this year, there was this wind instrument player who something like this very effectively & tastefully (Dino Soldo, I guess). I liked it. http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/band2008.html Buzap. -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 13:13:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592403BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ey1Ns8SCyIM/kF+0La05E9D2ffc73nz+MgFmAoCPizA=; b=sZ/Xc+WshcNy1H2HU4VhYCdMNzD3+YqUebgsVhn5VVOlTHCGm7qxzSXRXPeYjWfRqL DwyWR2Q7vOOjH19Ec92MtL7lGb/YTuZIfJvkVV6SIHRf3dGv01Fjg3uos961uVMotYto TH900eXkh8r5S9hxLZrSa60rzNrihLdzdbLbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wTuCf11JsIFaxbAHehDMi6XrCA4B54Efl3LyAkFZ+07Xj4ZbY84SJkMdNns4OqrXEw j0L/GNEzJHVQ60As4eloJCccen5y1Z2MGde4fs1h6gBy/GuE1e914mBBVDqJ+G755TRq z2rRSYiNLok54lXJRQVDCWi0fvWCKYhmdtZ6w= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811050513g4fbbd30bjeb0d898a481bf22e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:13:42 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Software Loopers and Hardware Loopers In-Reply-To: <20081105122112.152930@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811031230l62834bc4gce969c293d6eb496@mail.gmail.com> <187842.38992.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811040053k10ef90bl39ed47c9e1f8c00f@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811040840k60cc78a9v2ada7077b3ea7fc4@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811040848h4d4e3989u95de40db1fa21569@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122112.152930@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:13:45 +0000 (UTC) >> Akai EWI4000s breath and touch controlled "electric >> sax". It sound great and feels just like an acoustic instrument to >> play. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > When I wen to the Leonard Cohen concert this year, there was this wind instrument player who something like this very effectively & tastefully (Dino Soldo, I guess). I liked it. > http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/band2008.html Must have been Dino Soldo! Dino sounds great on any instrument he picks up! He is also an admirer of Buster Keaton. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:05:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 137A43BE7E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=SAtf8S20lPWlyoQFjOFZgZzqTOJlbWbXqj4it0aYPy4=; b=QGG3DwT2xUOqtPR8VKi84quMyCunzDFMPt/ZnhcN1BHuF6P0E26tbOroGJ+6cPv6FI HJ1kz6dGr/8c7IqlIRUrGb/auy0GKe9Dw3GXaMUM39oFGbrAg8a541vwSXldNS6VDg3L /TMPG+WWCQWxlkDFQqsb17XvqSvgGYc3UaimU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=fT7ZFPUve1LN+SW+Z4/2RHf/UrJhZfyzxttiWeUaWdvg/zi1BfCD23aMFIANiBA2qO ZGO2IJwooRKNSYyurWBY/QU0fq41r+a9uqzLWY+DwhDw+Y56mcDz82jchZ0XFGIro4NZ 24DYXFeUSXIOOvorc5a0ch9WZUe6l5O1OWPFU= Message-ID: <101191640811050605y7f7a9743ra9d3ddf05d27a376@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:05:35 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 46b601ab6a58b5ac Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:05:39 +0000 (UTC) I'm already wondering where the country went over the past 8. It couldn't be run any worse, as far as I'm concerned. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:28 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeremy devros > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; billwalker@baymoon.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: Obama > Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about > "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to > 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, > Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and > praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To > see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior > firepower. > > > Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were able > to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked. No foreign > policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence. > > Great PR doesn't save the world, folks. After never authoring a single > piece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful man in > the world. You'll see won'tcha? Uh, again..? > > In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went. Let's hope > they don't use nuclear weapons hm? > SP Goodman > * > http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman > http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:14:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BABE3BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3303 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:14:05 UTC X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:16:08 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: References: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081104183203.13776irq5unsuhcs@www.wightman.ca> <7DFCA6CF9A79486D92E62B449790AF6C@MichaelPC> <979244B8-147E-4881-BF21-5F456C19078B@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20081105131620.3E9AD272FA@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Here in Canada everyone is pretty aware of everything that goes on in the US. We are bombarded by US television and radio and as our largest trading partner, their policies have a direct impact on our economy. So yea, we are very interested in the US elections. Paul Haslem, Ontario, Canada At 01:17 AM 11/5/2008, you wrote: >I can see wanting to repair ill will, especially from the >perspective of the US wanting to set an example. I agree there is a >common "embarrassment" about how the US (this President) has acted >on many fronts; but again, our desire to make us right with the >world is, the more I think about it, singularly a trait of citizens >of the US (and perhaps Great Britain if one digs deeper) and I'm not >sure too many other countries' folks would take this tack when they >vote their leaders in (at least the ones who allow voting!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:20:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 350D63BE7E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XBxaPgyCr2466rFp5obDn9RAWGocj5QgAbkN/KpPkOw=; b=kqPaz3q9ZL7GBvNWUpfG9vO0wqUn7gR3Zwj4eHXk9spFHLhuJbmnTDCZg08a6rRJtJ clNrDG+3DX0WJj/4fnzWHeywSVNUlNTaEQZmp6R5vxKP8An7BvRkzcqMXyFxlGtBSvlB 0p1Z5WpkU+tdMKWqJgXO7KFhkxH/+e8Yk1m08= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vjelhMgVdW75li+j1rmJDNbUGm3VBMFXJf9aYiKu4lMyxtFvkSNYqSLK30IwOEfriQ g/aEyF+hoWALkiQms+vjCA952cBig7JSZo6hlLhYLxLwVatAeuNZT6avVct331molTM1 CyGGVrklVcEjDt3WxDKrAknIYQE28eelJ9Ed4= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811050620p2b9a41e3jcc6cf614ef4814d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:20:26 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36410_24568786.1225894826623" References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:20:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36410_24568786.1225894826623 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm sorry on one level I want to respect your right to difference of opinion here but man you're dark or maybe in fairness to your thoughts brutially honest at least to your soul which is all that matters in a way. THat said I don't think he's naive here or being a panacia and as one morning anchor pointed, people in this "country" are impatient and quick to turn. At best he'll be able to rally the spirit, take away some synicism, maybe get an agenda to get us out of the insanity of the Mid East conflict and hopefully just hopefully do something about healthcare. But one of the best things and I don't come from a tradition that quickly forgets. I grew up in the 60's in rural Arkansas where there were color lines, where the edict in my house was 'they're just as good as you' but in the same breath there was fear and distrust of the dark skin and my mom who I deeply love but echo'd during this election 'I don't want to vote for the man with strange last name', Faubus, the assination of MLK, integration, KKK, man it wasn' easy to know how to be growing up. Ever read the writings of Flannery O'Connor? I mean if the color lines can be resolved and nothing else I'd say that is a major change in the humanity of our world. I for one am proud to have Mr O in office and as my wife an early supporter quickly pointed out this am, 'you didn't trust him' and she was right. I was a strong supporter of Clinton and Hilary and wanted nothing more than her to get in the White House but as that possibility slipped I began to be convinced that Barack was the person to get behind. Perhaps you are just playing devils ad... here and having some fun but I think it's a pretty cool time and that maybe just maybe something good has happened for our country, world and time. The cool thing about all this is all the dialog that has occured the last couple of days on and off this list with the European community, that is just been wonderful and I really hope that this change in office in the US will do nothing but healing and good for the rest of the world and our relationships with them. Guess it's time to say, 'shut up and play your guitar' but that's my 2 cents... jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic www.myspace.com/jindream www.vimeo.com/jimgoodindigital On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:28 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Jeremy devros > *To:* loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; billwalker@baymoon.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM > *Subject:* RE: Obama > > Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about > "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to > 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, > Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and > praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To > see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior > firepower. > > > Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were > able to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked. No > foreign policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence. > > Great PR doesn't save the world, folks. After never authoring a single > piece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful man in > the world. You'll see won'tcha? Uh, again..? > > In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went. Let's hope > they don't use nuclear weapons hm? > SP Goodman > * > http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman > http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_36410_24568786.1225894826623 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I'm sorry on one level I want to respect your right to difference = of opinion here but man you're dark or maybe in fairness to your though= ts brutially honest at least to your soul which is all that matters in a wa= y.  THat said I don't think he's naive here or being a panacia= and as one morning anchor pointed, people in this "country" are = impatient and quick to turn.  At best he'll be able to rally the s= pirit, take away some synicism, maybe get an agenda to get us out of the in= sanity of the Mid East conflict and hopefully just hopefully do something a= bout healthcare.  But one of the best things and I don't come from= a tradition that quickly forgets.  I grew up in the 60's in rural= Arkansas where there were color lines, where the edict in my house was = 9;they're just as good as you' but in the same breath there was fea= r and distrust of the dark skin and my mom who I deeply love but echo'd= during this election 'I don't want to vote for the man with strang= e last name', Faubus, the assination of MLK, integration, KKK, man it w= asn' easy to know how to be growing up.  Ever read the writings of= Flannery O'Connor? I mean if the color lines can be resolved and nothi= ng else I'd say that is a major change in the humanity of our world.
 
I for one am proud to have Mr O in office and as my wife an early supp= orter quickly pointed out this am, 'you didn't trust him' and s= he was right.  I was a strong supporter of  Clinton and Hilary an= d wanted nothing more than her to get in the White House but as that possib= ility slipped I began to be convinced that Barack was the person to get beh= ind.
 
Perhaps you are just playing devils ad... here and having some fun but= I think it's a pretty cool time and that maybe just maybe something go= od has happened for our country, world and time.  The cool thing about= all this is all the dialog that has occured the last couple of days on and= off this list with the European community, that is just been wonderful and= I really hope that this change in office in the US will do nothing but hea= ling and good for the rest of the world and our relationships with them.
 
Guess it's time to say, 'shut up and play your guitar' but= that's my 2 cents...
 
jim


 
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 4:28 AM, SP Goodman <spgoodman@eart= hlight.net> wrote:
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8= :52 AM
Subject: RE: Obama

Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about= "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportu= nity to speak to 'the world' these past few days--people from Thail= and, England, Canada, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE= has been hoping and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOP= ES place over FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of thre= ats and superior firepower.
 
Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman,= Carter... none of which were able to prevent the US being drawn into war, = or outright attacked.  No foreign policy tends to equal certainty of a= ttack, if history is evidence.
 
Great PR doesn't save the world, folks= .  After never authoring a single piece of law this man tricks people = into making him the most powerful man in the world.  You'll see wo= n'tcha?  Uh, again..?
 
In three years you'll all be wondering= where your country went.  Let's hope they don't use nuclear w= eapons hm?



--
The = Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmus= ic
Chinapainting -
http://www= .chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapa= intingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goo= din uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghs= strings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay = Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.co= m
------=_Part_36410_24568786.1225894826623-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:26:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC87C3BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=oYExvdi1HxOlP8bgawAaftihjt1UyY8JFpuGBbwPM18=; b=D9xw7uO9CCJ7wfImnVzAlaTL91SUb4JmoDsytexmNFQTwkS1AYYPoPkeDpMWgTmmKK iIy8rc9iymU3n7Lgea0ixMnnQSkB/w/ONo+Q65R31vHCJHHgrbtiEuSoSKIDeKLtrjjo ocMeuZehqxjRtwBHnyRL3c5/0T0FHnjbJdiS8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=b+Gmp7aEz5MGy3PG+ek8Ysu+dwUa8lMsU59ZdLIs8RSB9AcFdeWZrgCMW/tFieAXFU fucN0Fvn+uC4kCc9QFLuUiY7iUKgFepmoL54vAXNB2Wg/JGNrxzp9C1ebx3xN2UqnIto cDozm39qAyD/Y1xNDFZG6A52DUG4klMjlfrds= Message-ID: <14be8f380811050626t8a950f2wad3b9f3da5220401@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:26:57 +0900 From: "andre patterson" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: want an echoplex!! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:26:57 +0000 (UTC) hoi hoi i was just curious whether anyone had any pointers to finding myself a echoplex pro plus, i understand there fairly rare these days so im prepared to pay a fairly hefty amount. id love for anyone to send me a link to a site or anything were i can get connected much appreciated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:37:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25833BE86; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:37:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 371 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:37:34 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Gs6pxfu1J6aPuUgK/7G/9GUGwotWjX0HeymSUlqTCzU=; b=g7SwjpzFTdw+fOkW5+1e1n7qyNsaofG4V1bUkgKBeY7Hs7ARjPY5UzEQ5nbETdSWG6 faP/wsjgdL1VASak2s/+pVyNvLuFq9FI3jjGRy3qj7Ty/Jl2YWjboi/GZwlcwvmmsdq2 Y9F/E0HnDdwCuVEEyx7Za+eeLE/QZwwTVg24E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=jPYqQBrB/VE6SJyDmNewYtAyrmyO7MeBY4V2NEaOcP8YnTgph+Ee17jtCzo7jJCscK aGJlw3mE2l5ol78FHuOgriLzqKPs2qIypABEVplnjRvsw7gW+IZ2am7TKqfJ/3I7xxX6 ehyRdkboHFKHaL9GUEzjp7i3UL8T6SIISGRNk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:31:22 -0500 From: magicicada To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811050620p2b9a41e3jcc6cf614ef4814d7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6944_22722693.1225895482110" References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811050620p2b9a41e3jcc6cf614ef4814d7@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:37:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6944_22722693.1225895482110 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You know SP Goodman. We have been eating the shit sandwich that 'W.' has been feeding us for the last 8 years. You can be bitter all you want, but I think this election speaks volumes about the American people. I am so proud of this country after 8 yrs of tremendous shame and unchecked aggression. However, now that Obama is president elect it is time to hold him to his word and I am ready to do that. ------=_Part_6944_22722693.1225895482110 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You know SP Goodman. We have been eating the shit sandwich that 'W.' has been feeding us for the last 8 years. You can be bitter all you want, but I think this election speaks volumes about the American people. I am so proud of this country after 8 yrs of tremendous shame and unchecked aggression.

However, now that Obama is president elect it is time to hold him to his word and I am ready to do that.


------=_Part_6944_22722693.1225895482110-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28A693BE89; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=a8e4YImW3/33rELEJpZeEgVJ0XxRu0r59uuDO51BxP4=; b=DW5jbW5F+xD7u4BqxOKt9Om+KujPf68c2hI5+XbS3gkmCai1rU+EzLiy9RjtpQ/thL sT1VHuDWPLIz2QXYsbGAGWU9Uoour0mo5dgG3bPbE1+dAEZlt08eK5yl+w7UC9kF5dq3 QPbAHeVIbj/euRCk+VXjQT6u5lyTDSEJlFnQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BUVL+C9thQEyqPwe3B62CHdZ+rNhafR4Nqz6gEvWSQJfdGk9BRc67GE5ZW/RvigCGy y7/HPHwHorhWBSfSpG9V/JvPAFm6y5f2tfWUsZw/0ehi8BH2zyGQV7Kj9gO0j9DQEl29 37AirLpTTN0dm7APGZL5lnbCLEMZdrtu2S9Ak= Message-ID: <4759e5740811050639j27292e67q8ea6de7c684e0506@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:39:49 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: want an echoplex!! In-Reply-To: <14be8f380811050626t8a950f2wad3b9f3da5220401@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_9103_19669344.1225895989702" References: <14be8f380811050626t8a950f2wad3b9f3da5220401@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:39:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_9103_19669344.1225895989702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Andre, here is a great place to get connected for sure. I myself am about to put one of mine up for sale within the next few days. I just don't need two! email me off list if you'd like to pursue. (that goes for any of us here on list) All best, Todd Reynolds On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM, andre patterson < talesfromforestgnomes@gmail.com> wrote: > hoi hoi > > i was just curious whether anyone had any pointers to finding myself a > echoplex pro plus, i understand there fairly rare these days so im prepared > to pay a fairly hefty amount. id love for anyone to send me a link to a > site or > anything were i can get connected > > much appreciated > > -- In New York from the 2nd to 14th of October, Then on to California with Meredith Monk. http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic ------=_Part_9103_19669344.1225895989702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Andre, 

here is a great place to get connected for sure.  I myself am about to put one of mine up for sale within the next few days.  I just don't need two!

email me off list if you'd like to pursue.  (that goes for any of us here on list)

All best,

Todd Reynolds

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM, andre patterson <talesfromforestgnomes@gmail.com> wrote:
hoi hoi

i was just curious whether anyone had any pointers to finding myself a
echoplex pro plus, i understand there fairly rare these days so im prepared
to pay a fairly hefty amount. id love for anyone to send me a link to a site or
anything were i can get connected

much appreciated




--
In New York from the 2nd to 14th of October,
Then on to California with Meredith Monk.

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------=_Part_9103_19669344.1225895989702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:40:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1636E3BE8E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225896020; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=LNVLvl/losiRtal/G5K90AtwLEQ=; b=mHpaAF4mH3O+AZ237BKem+E8Ju9pBwg02ayAFPW/TUIankwXQzbmUj44TzpdsC65 ZrC4ALTY68pc2wLHd/xpnAFdnyDZsc0bAbVe1N1fOfZFXq25mFuinOiYhxP0qVI2; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=uxPctgAOltsDkWde5vIA:9 a=bgkerq89o3_FqrQfiRcA:7 a=MePuveK7OCQEeQs0LvA7Hc1Tpb8A:4 a=NVHxADLwyewA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003301c93f54$6d4c9cf0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: live video from paris show Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:40:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:40:20 +0000 (UTC) You were wonderful and seemed very focused. It must be hard to get used to photographers right in your face. I wonder if they even think that maybe that might be distracting. Robert Fripp would have had a cow, lol. peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "info at zoekeating" To: Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: live video from paris show > someone took video of my performance in paris on oct 23rd. > you can kinda see Live and SooperLooper running in the background. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU-6oigFg0 > > alas, there was a distracting group of photographers in front of me > who i found very hard to ignore > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1764 - Release Date: 11/3/2008 7:46 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 14:53:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AD053BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:53:51 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: (OT) Obama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <3GrysC.A.9ZC.GObEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 14:53:58 +0000 (UTC) At 12:47 AM -0500 11/5/08, Jim Goodin wrote: >On 11/4/08, William Walker wrote: >> Hallelujah! > >Echo'd pretty jubulant here in ny. My wife and I were at an election >watching party tonight and as soon as the California polls closed, the >exit polls moment later declared and the house I was at just lit up >cheers. Really feels like something amazing has transpired. I'd like to be as ecstatic; I really would. However, this is *exactly* how things felt after Bill Clinton won the first time -- exorcising the world from the 12 previous years of Reagan/Bush hell. We thought all that was put behind us. That it was okay to celebrate and start to re-build the country again. Then, after his two terms, where were we? Back into the sh*t all over again. So today/tonight, celebrate. Eat, drink and be merry. Rejoice in this victory for the moment. But keep in mind that the same people who dragged us down for the last 8 years are still out there. And even now, they're probably already plotting on how they're going to come back over the next 4 years to take it all back again. Not trying to be a downer. But let's just say I'm *very cautiously* optimistic. --m. -- _____ "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new dreams" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:04:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D953BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 07:59:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, My Concept of "experimental" music is fairly broad. But it is a heck of a lot more than merely coming to a gig unprepared=20 and without any particular idea in mind as to "material." If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything sounds=20 more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not=20 really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo. Experimental music need not be random or atonal or devoid of accessible=20= melody - though it often might seems to be in practice. I think some of us are used to, or are influenced by the labels that=20 the music press often give to artists they don't quite know what to do=20= with. Take Adrian Belew for instance, lovely man, great guitar player,=20 totally innovative and one of a kind - they often call him=20 "experimental." While I certainly love most everything he does, and though he may have=20= some waaaay "out there" experimental moments - still nearly everything=20= he does fits fairly neatly onto a standard pop/rock formula. Highly tweaked? Yes it is! Experimental? Probably not in the truest sense. We're all technology hogs here. But going out and buying the latest, greatest esoteric music technology=20= (instrument, appliance or software) will not make one of us any more=20 "experimental" per se than if we'd used the same money to buy dental=20 floss. That is unless we'd figured out ho to make inventive music with dental=20= floss (I suppose). It's what you play and what your concept of what music **MIGHT BE**=20 (potentiality) that makes it "experimental" in my book. It can be done by the most simple means and even no technology at all=20 for that matter. It can be done without even an "instrument" if it comes to that. It's an openness . . . and something that happens in the mind . . . an=20= attitude . . . inventiveness. An awareness that even the world around you is producing "music" every=20= moment. Every sound you hear. It's tuning into and becoming a part of that (for me) and inventing new=20= "music" right along with the cosmos. -- tEd =AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:14:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 395033BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:14:12 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=n0yvYHWi1hvLajbNOPlqQJiyYnG+DZE2C41i7QD9fWvzOs52aPwlUJz1ZsIAo9jbauBRmFz/pE4mg6ddrOE9vyJ/FwWnHJ8veWwrGCEOn/rgB/aSMaAKh1pMxFXBS/FiWRgs61s64d8JFkp6QshZFc2bn5gBxU5U1lQqCFI5LW0=; X-YMail-OSG: 3G0K5t8VM1mPO4eD8ZqwoYTHrKK9ZO2M6VDB6VzW1jzUeIVu4gSh.P9uYN8Yxb0BEWLGWxSD_5_U9NXMLCiShyHzWtnKe714VCAqw973Atkea1R0sTdsy85Z7TchnzUIZ0JbtvRZjbxYEKbnKsn02240Fj_ieJ_0w7Lj9HN3WUrYNaTZ_EahboWHFsdi X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:07:31 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Obama To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1727761122-1225897651=:35748" Message-ID: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:14:13 +0000 (UTC) --0-1727761122-1225897651=:35748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable (In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went) =A0 Except we all now where it IS following 8 years of Republican rule.=A0 It a= mazes me to no end that no matter WHAT goes wrong with the US, the Right ca= nnot see that it is their doing. They blame it on the Dems one way or anoth= er. 8 years of free market economics and lack of regulatory oversight (a ma= ntra of the GOP) and we have the economic meltdown. But the Right STILL can= 't see it. =A0 I wonder if this fascist Goodman person would recognize a shit sandwich if = it was presented to him on a red, white & blue platter from Dick Cheney and= call it that OR would he shove it down his piehole? --- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman wrote: From: SP Goodman Subject: Re: Obama To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:28 AM #yiv333565190 .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TO= P:0px;} #yiv333565190 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;} =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeremy devros=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; billwalker@baymoon.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: RE: Obama Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about "bei= ng loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to 't= he world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, Bulga= ria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and prayin= g this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To see = the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior firepower.= =20 =A0 Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were abl= e to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked.=A0 No forei= gn policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence. =A0 Great PR doesn't save the world, folks.=A0 After never authoring a single p= iece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful man in= the world.=A0 You'll see won'tcha?=A0 Uh, again..? =A0 In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went.=A0 Let's ho= pe they don't use nuclear weapons hm? SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata =0A=0A=0A --0-1727761122-1225897651=:35748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
(In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went)
 
Except we all now where it IS following 8 years of Republican rule.  It amazes me to no end that no matter WHAT goes wrong with the US, the Right cannot see that it is their doing. They blame it on the Dems one way or another. 8 years of free market economics and lack of regulatory oversight (a mantra of the GOP) and we have the economic meltdown. But the Right STILL can't see it.
 
I wonder if this fascist Goodman person would recognize a shit sandwich if it was presented to him on a red, white & blue platter from Dick Cheney and call it that OR would he shove it down his piehole?


--- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
From: SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
Subject: Re: Obama
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:28 AM

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: Obama

Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior firepower.
 
Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were able to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked.  No foreign policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence.
 
Great PR doesn't save the world, folks.  After never authoring a single piece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful man in the world.  You'll see won'tcha?  Uh, again..?
 
In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went.  Let's hope they don't use nuclear weapons hm?

--0-1727761122-1225897651=:35748-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:17:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AE7B3BE79; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=m4rObf4Up/nFpHDLGxu0MPgvLsm3ravRlmWH7yOegNd/D0imYAQraX8+Xy7d2D/njYODWSJi61lKAk4TJKK08MVZKJ2KRd/KvYDJWREeVDDj8qqNqoSau6PpLJo3BeaSWk58Wf29DVxMsoxvRV/ntgrU/IMzcz7YqDO9w/zLom0=; X-YMail-OSG: tzGTD9gVM1nCetEtvAKWb4Fuw1TZYQyGcu2b0T37sW4.PPNVnh5h8IfPt_X6ejXJPSesycTp3dAQESmUeC7B0cGFTlZDmAMj8eP1vMvr3W1L8M0Kw6Uzl23LnpCcFsYJAISTvUGKMETrUbOHzz7qQsZvolhlu_DKoOkHdbPnEV5HRP39x_UqaNm3SyYa X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 07:10:24 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Reply-To: paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1810839918-1225897824=:5585" Message-ID: <719973.5585.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <23wYvD.A.RHD.xjbEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:17:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-1810839918-1225897824=:5585 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Brits suck anyway. Except for the Beatles. :) --- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman wrote: From: SP Goodman Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:24 AM Having lived in England for over eight years now I can easily tell you that many here hate America no matter who is President. > My experiences mirror yours. To the credit of most ex-US areas they distinguish between US people and US government. I am pondering from a phenomenological point of view why we are concerned about other countries' opinions while others could care less about ours (and I've seen this first hand especially when the Soviet Union fell apart where I heard on more than one occasion "Your opinion about who we elect means nothing-this is our country", and seen it in Spain, Britain, Germany and France) > > Perhaps, because in the world's timeframe we're still new kids on the block, so to speak, so we want other's approval? > > it's just a curious US phenomenon... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gallaher" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:48 PM > Subject: RE: OT Re: If the world could vote > > >> I don't know how much you've traveled abroad, but from my limited >> experience, I can tell you that the last eight years have made many >> people--who previously admired America--fearful and distrustful of America. >> Those in Europe who either remember or have families who suffered through >> the 1930s and 40s are especially sensitive to seeing one person or small >> group of persons get too much concentrated power in a great industrialized >> state. When I was in Italy in 2005, an older gentleman who spoke English >> asked me over coffee one morning: "Did your country not learn the lessons >> of World War II?" >> >> dave >> >> >> Sure, but that's my point. I'm speaking from a >> cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective. We teach our kids >> to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think. We >> live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and doing our >> >> thing regardless of reviews. Yet in national politics we need to be >> loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to what >> the rest of the world thinks of their candidates. Just an observation... >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM >> Subject: Re: If the world could vote >> >> >>> well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest of the >>> world hate us, wouldn't it? >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM, wrote: >>>> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the rest of the >>>> world would want? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM >>>> Subject: If the world could vote >>>> >>>> >>>>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is interesting to see what >>>>> folks >>>>> around the world would like to see happen in this election. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE" tab on the left side of >>>>> the screen. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul Haslem >>>>> www.dulcify.ca >>>>> Ontario, Canada >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > > --0-1810839918-1225897824=:5585 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
The Brits suck anyway. Except for the Beatles. :)

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
From: SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:24 AM

Having lived in England for over eight years now I can easily tell you that many
here hate America no matter who is President.

> My experiences mirror yours.  To the credit of most ex-US areas they
distinguish between US people and US government.   I am pondering from a
phenomenological point of view why we are concerned about other countries'
opinions while others could care less about ours (and I've seen this first
hand especially when the Soviet Union fell apart where I heard on more than one
occasion "Your opinion about who we elect means nothing-this is our
country", and seen it in Spain, Britain, Germany and France)
> 
> Perhaps, because in the world's timeframe we're still new kids on
the block, so to speak, so we want other's approval?
> 
> it's just a curious US phenomenon...
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Gallaher"
<micdave@hiwaay.net>
> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:48 PM
> Subject: RE: OT Re: If the world could vote
> 
> 
>> I don't know how much you've traveled abroad, but from my
limited
>> experience, I can tell you that the last eight years have made many
>> people--who previously admired America--fearful and distrustful of
America.
>> Those in Europe who either remember or have families who suffered
through
>> the 1930s and 40s are especially sensitive to seeing one person or
small
>> group of persons get too much concentrated power in a great
industrialized
>> state.  When I was in Italy in 2005, an older gentleman who spoke
English
>> asked me over coffee one morning:  "Did your country not learn
the lessons
>> of World War II?"
>> 
>> dave
>> 
>> 
>> Sure, but that's my point.  I'm speaking from a
>> cultural/anthropological/phenomenological perspective.   We teach our
kids
>> to do what they think is right and not worry about what others think.
We
>> live our lives as artists flipping the proverbial bird at many and
doing our
>> 
>> thing regardless of reviews.  Yet in national politics we need to be
>> loved....Very few countries in the rest of the world show concern to
what
>> the rest of the world thinks of their candidates.  Just an
observation...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick"
<ParadoxQuine@gmail.com>
>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: If the world could vote
>> 
>> 
>>> well, it'd be nice to not elect someone who will make the rest
of the
>>> world hate us, wouldn't it?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 7:50 PM,  <mike@michaelplishka.com>
wrote:
>>>> Why is there a fascination in the US about wondering who the
rest of the
>>>> world would want?
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <phaslem@wightman.ca>
>>>> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:32 PM
>>>> Subject: If the world could vote
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is
interesting to see what
>>>>> folks
>>>>> around the world would like to see happen in this
election.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can vote too - just click on the red "VOTE"
tab on the left side of
>>>>> the screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>    http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul Haslem
>>>>> www.dulcify.ca
>>>>> Ontario, Canada
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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--0-1810839918-1225897824=:5585-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:17:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1424D3BE94; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:17:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=f35UxiAGTtXGmsNekMtpEv12YwpdvIaLvZVE99w6+L8=; b=jkq2fE+u4PZF6R0EPeexghYNuhPAlUm7RJ10HYO/B8Fsgpj5ZJQ9WMWnj7iWNHKdTx 2ExWwAtK7q8BuiTxuJ8uXXbxjyAiLQvainTAl9HcMfjYTGCltHxI+zpKdmxf1spU9ANA 4WJpsIR5dUXtaeX2Zbzvt9JIEA6e662N3Y1Ms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QpLS7MkPxvwg6/EWG/95hTysFtxCr0gFLtqagGyvC/W29c7rL6wrECTwFYuyXVbSlY PoUKt4d1Sltt2jTKg0x/Pqmxo20hGROIeEyK33NsFb3WUGeqZmqXR+RML35Iq9HYV8zC CvMkIQZwavK9nWC0D2rEBzDPAgr4gvIWvOSdA= Message-ID: <101191640811050717n1690ec4fr956149bac965cf87@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:17:36 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 24b67389a377d038 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:17:36 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Mech wrote: > I'd like to be as ecstatic; I really would. However, this is *exactly* how >... > > Not trying to be a downer. But let's just say I'm *very cautiously* > optimistic. > > --m. The president is not a savior (cf "The End of American Exceptionalism"). but at least this one isn't as likely to be a royal f*ck-up as the last proved to be. I'm ecstatic simply because i didn't have to wake up and feel doomed today. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:20:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2133A3BE8A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=U6Wc1jDPN+X2usZdBB3YIkLjd/rxWMFxY3FQfe2TTmI=; b=hx6RYaipgHLEX8N0i9m3/cZ1S73vJ5xBuP3rR4xNHaQuITCuu8HW3thJBba/LJs91O oCvdWsylRHQ1GdLGSniGltFEylt3ZZmEH5IQ8YbNkyxDtOK2yYxAaSaeu7R8Xc3XfuwL fPuHguOqEevQL3XlVva7x/bCp4xXH5gDdcyxA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XCY5ecOWg5C72YZMf7Z0sU2fgl4SL9BqOOczP+6I8RtMhCGZg6l9yjao8hGJxUdZNK 4RN+pi5cb+yWoVUaRkcLMB8Are3tfsUHOpQ6BsxkHAICHTA3hSp8Zsvng5+Nu5sxM9S/ x40x/p2uolCR2VbCLE/+l9A3chXR+U3RAHoR8= Message-ID: <101191640811050720n52049161r95bc84b224dbe832@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:20:27 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: live video from paris show In-Reply-To: <003301c93f54$6d4c9cf0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5D4C1AD2-A63F-4BFA-8B7F-F664C3BF7DF0@zoekeating.com> <003301c93f54$6d4c9cf0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 26422de4505c2212 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:20:28 +0000 (UTC) really great clip. i sent the link to a co-worker, and he said "oh, so *that's* what you mean by live looping". of course, it's just one approach, but it's a good clip to illustrate what it's about. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > You were wonderful and seemed very focused. It must be hard to get used to > photographers right in your face. I wonder if they even think that maybe > that might be distracting. Robert Fripp would have had a cow, lol. > > peace, > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "info at zoekeating" > > To: > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 4:00 PM > Subject: live video from paris show > > >> someone took video of my performance in paris on oct 23rd. >> you can kinda see Live and SooperLooper running in the background. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTU-6oigFg0 >> >> alas, there was a distracting group of photographers in front of me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E9E53BE8D; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.33,550,1220241600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="28393952:sNHT148743364" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C93F59.D1B8B2E7" Disposition-Notification-To: "Quinn, Matthew" Subject: RE: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:18:55 -0500 Message-ID: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Obama Thread-Index: Ack/WSsAt+lL5vRZShGpU424TFiq9QAABx7A From: "Quinn, Matthew" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:21:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F59.D1B8B2E7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ugh, about to unsubscribe from this list due to this barrage of non-sense. =20 But please do not refer to what the USA has had in the past 8 years as 'free market economics', and do not blame said concept for the shape we are in now. We have had the worst of both worlds under Bush/Cheney.=20 =20 Hopefully this will signal the need for a return to true conservatism for the GOP, as their neo-con/religious nut agenda has obviously run it's course. =20 =20 Ron Paul 2012 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Richards [mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:08 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama =20 (In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went) =20 Except we all now where it IS following 8 years of Republican rule. It amazes me to no end that no matter WHAT goes wrong with the US, the Right cannot see that it is their doing. They blame it on the Dems one way or another. 8 years of free market economics and lack of regulatory oversight (a mantra of the GOP) and we have the economic meltdown. But the Right STILL can't see it. =20 I wonder if this fascist Goodman person would recognize a shit sandwich if it was presented to him on a red, white & blue platter from Dick Cheney and call it that OR would he shove it down his piehole? --- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman wrote: From: SP Goodman Subject: Re: Obama To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:28 AM =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeremy devros =20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com ; billwalker@baymoon.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM Subject: RE: Obama =20 Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag onto the other threads about "being loved in the world" I've had such a wonderful opportunity to speak to 'the world' these past few days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To see the US use respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior firepower.=20 =20 Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, Truman, Carter... none of which were able to prevent the US being drawn into war, or outright attacked. No foreign policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence. =20 Great PR doesn't save the world, folks. After never authoring a single piece of law this man tricks people into making him the most powerful man in the world. You'll see won'tcha? Uh, again..? =20 In three years you'll all be wondering where your country went. Let's hope they don't use nuclear weapons hm? SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F59.D1B8B2E7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ugh, about to unsubscribe from this = list due to this barrage of non-sense.

 

But please do not refer to what the = USA has had in the = past 8 years as ‘free market economics’, and do not blame said = concept for the shape we are in now. We have had the worst of both worlds under Bush/Cheney.

 

Hopefully this will signal the need = for a return to true conservatism for the GOP, as their neo-con/religious nut agenda = has obviously run it’s course.

 

 

Ron Paul 2012

 

-----Original = Message-----
From: Paul Richards [mailto:paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:08 = AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: = Obama

 

(In three years you'll all be = wondering where your country went)

 

Except we all now where it IS following 8 = years of Republican rule.  It amazes me to no end that no matter WHAT goes = wrong with the US, the Right cannot see that it is their = doing. They blame it on the Dems one way or another. 8 years of free market = economics and lack of regulatory oversight (a mantra of the GOP) and we have the = economic meltdown. But the Right STILL can't see it.

 

I wonder if this fascist Goodman person = would recognize a shit sandwich if it was presented to him on a red, white = & blue platter from Dick Cheney and call it that OR would he shove it down = his piehole?



--- On Wed, = 11/5/08, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:

From: SP = Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>
Subject: Re: Obama
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 4:28 AM

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeremy devros =

Sent: = Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:52 AM

Subject: RE: = Obama

 

Echoed here in Chiang Mai as well! To tag = onto the other threads about "being loved in the world" I've had such = a wonderful opportunity to speak to 'the world' these past few = days--people from Thailand, England, Canada, Bulgaria, France, Netherlands, = Germany, etc. EVERYONE has been hoping and praying this would come to pass just to re-install HOPES place over FEAR. To see the US use = respect and diplomacy instead of threats and superior firepower.

 

Yeah, that worked for Wilson, FDR, = Truman, Carter... none of which were able to prevent the US = being drawn into war, or outright attacked.  No foreign policy tends to equal certainty of attack, if history is evidence.

 

Great PR doesn't save the world, folks.  After never authoring a single piece of law this man = tricks people into making him the most powerful man in the world.  = You'll see won'tcha?  Uh, again..?

 

In three years you'll all be = wondering where your country went.  Let's hope they don't use nuclear = weapons hm?

 

=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F59.D1B8B2E7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A32F43BEA6; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: i="4.33,550,1220241600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="28393953:sNHT129392676" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C93F5A.06A0BCFB" Disposition-Notification-To: "Quinn, Matthew" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:20:24 -0500 Message-ID: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF07380757014B@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> In-Reply-To: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: unsubscribe Thread-Index: Ack/WSsAt+lL5vRZShGpU424TFiq9QAANOhA From: "Quinn, Matthew" To: Resent-Message-ID: <39j7S.A.eXD.znbEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:21:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F5A.06A0BCFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F5A.06A0BCFB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F5A.06A0BCFB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:23:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749CE3BE7C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=U9PMpFkkrhulsf2bmfxjs17XkYYL7HYcsl0wgBVU+hE=; b=Hhbzp6e4WWBYZhi0hNDDCEw6Qy2Oc7d8x3bcSkkRD19i3oBtkfIC8ON0MSwSOB5ovB vLsKkl+m3vgu/1CnmTz5O0E1EG3YCbP/BU0YwMDc92PrydKtntJ6K724aDFsZ358KWdw 2+sGfD71JFDn/IibdCcserHt//hhGFuMkPLAQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ePbY6DsdCbLKoCZxSOLXngDP9+b9zeQ7Xo6HslT00UUbCmO5qZIfgMsXFc7oA66UlI vUzwSseZeW0cIK5KXYHvEDU9bUkWdtqA4HMKNhbjjIYRnwew88zzaMdrPRof8wOoarXJ FRoAjcnwwAEpN/yQNZQ7kvm0pOMSsem3tOCBI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:23:12 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Re: If the world could vote In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5770_21162036.1225898592688" References: <20081105054841.1C6C43BEE4@arsenic.violacea.com> <4A35CBA3EC4C4ABA977D89E902F11BC3@MichaelPC> Resent-Message-ID: <-7Ak4D.A.CgD.jpbEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5770_21162036.1225898592688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Having lived in both England the United States for many years now I can easily tell you that many *Americans* hate America no matter who is president. Hello Alaska Independence Party! Hello Montana Militia! Meanwhile, today is still a great day. TH On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:24 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > Having lived in England for over eight years now I can easily tell you that > many here hate America no matter who is President. > > > ------=_Part_5770_21162036.1225898592688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Having lived in both England the United States for many years now I can easily tell you that many *Americans* hate America no matter who is president.  Hello Alaska Independence Party!  Hello Montana Militia!

Meanwhile, today is still a great day.

TH

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 2:24 AM, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Having lived in England for over eight years now I can easily tell you that many here hate America no matter who is President.



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Nice first try!

TH

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Quinn, Matthew <Matthew_Quinn@meei.harvard.edu> wrote:

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------=_Part_5793_7548196.1225898692312-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:27:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1BA53BE93; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:27:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8bVVq+DCE/lTWUYcAHj77oDnS5bIrCiUq+ziR+vfOAk=; b=OVcmJdk5BQYrZRpw33xwIQaD0USFRAj6kIrMUIUbNPKRphZyPQCFuS+KGY/+/A7Ny5 KoQci9s4d0n8WZLnHhSTmuXuNZ3Y8tcFFATRySp/ul7/QmUxpdo1MBM6lrs4xRA+IsS8 3XfRnx9beN1/94mo0kJ/xXdXzG8FHFZjiRciY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=J1YexJLMOn8UvJfnQZwImfjT9vAidZqoMScMNHB324NvJyJ2wMc5WydRUIFVNUCLJ/ ViwJxqFrqOCfzNRM48KtfH3z1KCvvwDJ679wh3NeKpSx0hRB4YlyhA4LrAeKu3b6IrD3 qAIhj/GNaZLHMMoE3SV5nhxf5UR56wcxrOsyE= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:27:00 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4543_27869449.1225898820995" References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:27:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4543_27869449.1225898820995 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish (although I'm living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I struggled to keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, normal, everyday folks being washed in such a sense of relief, jubilation and hope. Wonderful news :) Enjoy the celebrations folks! Kayla x ------=_Part_4543_27869449.1225898820995 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish (although I'm living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I struggled to keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, normal, everyday folks being washed in such a sense of relief, jubilation and hope. Wonderful news :)

Enjoy the celebrations folks!

Kayla x
------=_Part_4543_27869449.1225898820995-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 15:54:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BDC83BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:54:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:54:26 EST Subject: Re: (OT) Obama To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c58.326ba819.36431bb2_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:54:33 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c58.326ba819.36431bb2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit we shall see what we shall see!.....i was in doubt up until the moment that they announced obama as winner, much to my delight.....i found obama's speach last nite very sobering.....i pray and hope that americans retake control of their government and stop being sheep led by the few.....i feel that real protest has been missing or totally ignored over the past 20-30 years......if "liberal" has been a dirty word what of "radical"?.....after living under the reactionary mind set over the past, too many years, something must be done.....heads must roll for the overwhelming damage that has been done not only to america but also the rest of the world.....how could anyone not wonder why we must be concerned how the rest of the world views us.....WE ARE THE WORLD, there are not red and blue countries, we all are on a big ball that's gone to shit!.....when i hear statements "well by 2020 or 2030 this or that will happen" i won't be around!!!!!.....but my kids and grandchildren will be.....my life has been "golden" in it's own way and i can only hope that will be true for those following me.....these are the most amazing times ever.....in his speach last nite, obama mentioned the ol gal, 106 years of age, watching what had to be an amazing "movie", well, we need to put more film in the pojector (HD of course) and start the movie afresh.....i'm excited and hope if i ever return to europe not to be embarrased to my core by being an american.....last night gave me a whole bunch to digest and i keep slipping in and out of a sense of joy that i hope is founded in reality.....we shall see what we shall see.....time to loop!.....michael "AMERICANS ARN'T STUPID".....BARACK OBAMA new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) --part1_c58.326ba819.36431bb2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we shall see what we shall see!.....i w= as in doubt up until the moment that they announced obama as winner, much to= my delight.....i found obama's speach last nite very sobering.....i pray an= d hope that americans retake control of their government and stop being shee= p led by the few.....i feel that real protest has been missing or totally ig= nored over the past 20-30 years......if "liberal" has been a dirty word what= of "radical"?.....after living under the reactionary mind set over the past= , too many years, something must be done.....heads must roll for the overwhe= lming damage that has been done not only to america but also the rest of the= world.....how could anyone not wonder why we must be concerned how the rest= of the world views us.....WE ARE THE WORLD, there are not red and blue coun= tries, we all are on a big ball that's gone to shit!.....when i hear stateme= nts "well by 2020 or 2030 this or that will happen" i won't be around!!!!!..= ...but my kids and grandchildren will be.....my life has been "golden" in it= 's own way and i can only hope that will be true for those following me.....= these are the most amazing times ever.....in his speach last nite, obama men= tioned the ol gal, 106 years of age,  watching what had to be an amazi= ng "movie", well, we need to put more film in the pojector (HD of course) an= d start the movie afresh.....i'm excited and hope if i ever return to europe= not to be embarrased to my core by being an american.....last night gave me= a whole bunch to digest and i keep slipping in and out of a sense of joy th= at i hope is founded in reality.....we shall see what we shall see.....time=20= to loop!.....michael

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AOL Search: Your one stop for direct= ions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_c58.326ba819.36431bb2_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 16:04:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6A83BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:04:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225901053; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=xAezbZazXkmutDldQ51Ercwwu1M=; b=k4jTdOKnORI6btFKPahtC6BhFAns7FFSD4DVsa/cCSbBis2juWA6FK8H9hDMs1qB cwsm0P3z/2XouchKYF8n3Hlb0YFUsYZrg/EO38jhpCVymR1cPd0dS224RLF4AvLT; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=LBR_gfDRufQy2TSdGHQA:9 a=TDA411jSUmVlFjR2Kq8A:7 a=ZPO2Vn9qgoX6YPBqN1rsMO5f9-8A:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 a=JaIiAcP3XxsaEDcofjEA:9 a=Lxe8Ln7tphjSxpOR308A:7 a=2f3mK3OaIG9HCG5lSeYBkAivTIsA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003e01c93f60$250d51d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF07380757014B@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:04:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C93F36.3A179E20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:04:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C93F36.3A179E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable He even gives a reason, very polite too. We are like a Roach Motel, = Loopers check in but they don't check out.=20 sorry pal, Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: unsubscribe Ah, the benefits of the Harvard education when it comes to reading = those pesky "unsubscribe" instructions. Nice first try! TH On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Quinn, Matthew = wrote: unsubscribe -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: = 11/5/2008 7:17 AM ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C93F36.3A179E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
He even gives a reason, very polite = too. We=20 are like a Roach Motel, Loopers check in but they don't check=20 out. 
 
sorry pal,
 
Jeff
 
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Ah, the benefits of the Harvard education when it comes = to=20 reading those pesky "unsubscribe" instructions.

Nice first=20 try!

TH

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------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C93F36.3A179E20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 16:19:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B2CD3BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+WXYrKt25uuUzX4fClsbo243+zLji0yYHpyRudidubs=; b=UBVdRFkjQ9R6NTSYf8zdc9KDSn1TtBMIPnKeA8+SMYYhpXgWVGRv/u+OVXNxuyYt8g Lnw0sDDfNFFkNP3XDh4RQ7iq/i5H0Ib+mTbmfvqq5UpU40B4vMoxGovG1YaXutLZn/zq MEnFCTIzXHQ4cxvNLnbzOgXmBMCHRGw5azCAU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=JTtdxx7zizqQTYwLpHFVZBgN1UFAkJQFBnM/xWsto3sXm8ddCVxsUT8olFqWlxb7AR L8Erq2VLktgBz/x3ayrzh4af/2EHjgOL+X8Y/Be7oS9XEp4IdqUUOSClHRKzA+Vh1ReU ezNqA4NBOrW/wc8rqVlZnihZDQRllX7qxXrCU= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811050812r75a74c31s1be60bf7eb045d0a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:12:13 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (OT) Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39744_7219065.1225901533273" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39744_7219065.1225901533273 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline so well put Michael I'm sure I seem naive to some, I fear it's just the state of our jaded world but things like last night and the last many months do give me hope for now and for my off spring. I grew up in Viet Nam and the Cold War and racial tension. If my son and daughter can not have to expierence their teens and 20's in those 3 or any 1 then I shall be thankful... On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:54 AM, wrote: > we shall see what we shall see!.....i was in doubt up until the moment that > they announced obama as winner, much to my delight.....i found obama's > speach last nite very sobering.....i pray and hope that americans retake > control of their government and stop being sheep led by the few.....i feel > that real protest has been missing or totally ignored over the past 20-30 > years......if "liberal" has been a dirty word what of "radical"?.....after > living under the reactionary mind set over the past, too many years, > something must be done.....heads must roll for the overwhelming damage that > has been done not only to america but also the rest of the world.....how > could anyone not wonder why we must be concerned how the rest of the world > views us.....WE ARE THE WORLD, there are not red and blue countries, we all > are on a big ball that's gone to shit!.....when i hear statements "well by > 2020 or 2030 this or that will happen" i won't be around!!!!!.....but my > kids and grandchildren will be.....my life has been "golden" in it's own way > and i can only hope that will be true for those following me.....these are > the most amazing times ever.....in his speach last nite, obama mentioned the > ol gal, 106 years of age, watching what had to be an amazing "movie", well, > we need to put more film in the pojector (HD of course) and start the movie > afresh.....i'm excited and hope if i ever return to europe not to be > embarrased to my core by being an american.....last night gave me a whole > bunch to digest and i keep slipping in and out of a sense of joy that i hope > is founded in reality.....we shall see what we shall see.....time to > loop!.....michael > > "AMERICANS ARN'T STUPID".....BARACK OBAMA > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday > needs. Search Now. ( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_39744_7219065.1225901533273 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline so well put Michael I'm sure I seem naive to some, I fear it's just= the state of our jaded world but things like last night and the last many = months do give me hope for now and for my off spring.  I grew up in Vi= et Nam and the Cold War and racial tension.  If my son and daughter ca= n not have to expierence their teens and 20's in those 3 or any 1 then = I shall be thankful...

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:54 AM, <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:
<= font face=3D"Geneva" color=3D"#000000" size=3D"2">we shall see what we shal= l see!.....i was in doubt up until the moment that they announced obama as = winner, much to my delight.....i found obama's speach last nite very so= bering.....i pray and hope that americans retake control of their governmen= t and stop being sheep led by the few.....i feel that real protest has been= missing or totally ignored over the past 20-30 years......if "liberal= " has been a dirty word what of "radical"?.....after living = under the reactionary mind set over the past, too many years, something mus= t be done.....heads must roll for the overwhelming damage that has been don= e not only to america but also the rest of the world.....how could anyone n= ot wonder why we must be concerned how the rest of the world views us.....W= E ARE THE WORLD, there are not red and blue countries, we all are on a big = ball that's gone to shit!.....when i hear statements "well by 2020= or 2030 this or that will happen" i won't be around!!!!!.....but = my kids and grandchildren will be.....my life has been "golden" i= n it's own way and i can only hope that will be true for those followin= g me.....these are the most amazing times ever.....in his speach last nite,= obama mentioned the ol gal, 106 years of age,  watching what had to b= e an amazing "movie", well, we need to put more film in the pojec= tor (HD of course) and start the movie afresh.....i'm excited and hope = if i ever return to europe not to be embarrased to my core by being an amer= ican.....last night gave me a whole bunch to digest and i keep slipping in = and out of a sense of joy that i hope is founded in reality.....we shall se= e what we shall see.....time to loop!.....michael

"AMERICANS ARN'T STUPID".....BARACK OBAMA

new groo= vy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com




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Chinapainting -
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Jim Goo= din uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghs= strings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay = Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.co= m
------=_Part_39744_7219065.1225901533273-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 16:20:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6903BE8A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081105160414.5CDFD3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081105160414.5CDFD3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:20:13 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Just a note from Berlin: The discussion of whatever national (in this case US) political matters on an international list of international people mainly interested in looping and it's devices should really go and look for a more dedicated place, like a list specialized on US internal politics for instance.. Neither does it make any sense to extensively flame-war about US internals on this international list, nor would you flame-warriors be interested in me and a few others starting extensive posting about our german politics or whatever non-US-relevant stuff. I would suggest for you to refrain from more than basic announcements of such OT topics on looper's delight (which is fine and can be interesting to go in detail about on another, more dedicated list) in the future. looking at the quite disrespectful postings of some people here during today i would also suggest for them to continue those rather personal discussions privately or as a part of another mailing list more dedicated to the matter discussed. Thank you. These discussions are otherwise only cluttering up the inboxes of a majority of looping-interested people here. jayrope / berlin On 05.11.2008, at 17:04, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers- delight.com wrote: > RE: Obama [ "Quinn, Matthew" > unsubscribe from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad Berlin ,-) --- jayrope === musical === http://kliklak.net http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com http://myspace.com/prinzenallee === visual === http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 16:32:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 498033BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 75453287 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C93F64.0D24C974" Subject: RE: (OT) Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:32:10 -0000 Message-ID: <6887813FDE2CCC4FA5FEF1D955205FA101D834E0@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (OT) Obama Thread-Index: Ack/ZAzpm/Qu10bCQMakMzaAjrLsPQ== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2008 16:32:11.0473 (UTC) FILETIME=[0DA16410:01C93F64] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:32:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F64.0D24C974 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>"AMERICANS ARN'T STUPID".....BARACK OBAMA << =20 did he spell it like that? or am I missing some sort of gag here? whatever, get over yourselves & get back on topic please. :-) =20 duncan.=20 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail (and any attached files) is confidential and protected by=20 copyright (and other intellectual property rights). 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------_=_NextPart_001_01C93F64.0D24C974-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 901AC3BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5E56DBEF3AF0408AAFF35CBC875C72A7@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811050717n1690ec4fr956149bac965cf87@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Obama X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:08:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 24DBCA5100094724DBCB9E Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:09:05 +0000 (UTC) From: "Warren Sirota" > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Mech wrote: > >> I'd like to be as ecstatic; I really would. However, this is *exactly* >> how >>... >> >> Not trying to be a downer. But let's just say I'm *very cautiously* >> optimistic. >> >> --m. > > The president is not a savior (cf "The End of American > Exceptionalism"). but at least this one isn't as likely to be a royal > f*ck-up as the last proved to be. I'm ecstatic simply because i didn't > have to wake up and feel doomed today. This present typing is being done by someone who, having been born in 1956 with a desire to write, I would look up in the sky to see a metallic glint off an airplane, and immediately wonder if it was a nuclear missile on the way to hit NYC. I realize years later that some of this was the creative part of the mind, but also that an awful lot of this wonder (which in the case of nukes turns to fear in grown-ups) was my brain's way of dealing with the FACT that America from the 50s to the later 80s was under constant threat of nuclear attack. A week after the Berlin Wall fell I was on a beach in California, enjoying the positive benefits of a surging economy thanks to Reagan's administration and the belief on the part of most Americans that things were getting much better. And I looked up in the sky to see a glint on an airplane's wing, remembering how they all used to be naked metal instead of painted white, and realized that I hadn't wondered, as I had as a child, if it was a missile headed for a target. And I realized how far we'd come since those days under John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. 9-11 was stunning to the planet, but it wasn't a nuclear attack like many expected to someday happen, years ago. I don't want that fear introduced again into my country's mindset, by a man with no foreign policy beyond imitation diplomacy and PR stunts. I don't usually quote an old fossil leftie, but Obama is no Jack Kennedy. Of course I wouldn't call him "Jack" because I don't want anyone to think I was ever on speaking terms with such a fake. I won't answer any of this twaddle after tomorrow, since like most Conservatives, I intend to get on with my life instead of whining about the election being "rigged" just because I disagreed with the result. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:27:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB7973BE7E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 17:27:49 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gkvP05kLnOUto7ZdRZrd25/ZcS3fvD+DjaImrjv/lb69qtbOqIVz7eKksfBJz23TDRIlDyLshTuMbqR8lZLtpS2q6z6IHGlUOyDYrbM7SNXCJKH17WrRysGszdKOdczYh80K9UD/+C5lfXizyOId6v9Cb9RXkGrIIcQmw1wlHsc=; X-YMail-OSG: KDZownEVM1kRzsMB9_9ergKoahGLl3diibFacftT7Ca5D_dELGEnttuaBl9DTElCTjV8Mmj8pytTKDUlgZu4b.G14gl3o5LaKSi57Hm.7eDjjkdT5Anj7s4rI7.A644YcmYl9x6WoYuuYVeCosy07_RNlBc- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 09:21:07 -0800 (PST) From: Howard Alan Treesong Reply-To: howardalantreesongs@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-228403115-1225905667=:14722" Message-ID: <522114.14722.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:27:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-228403115-1225905667=:14722 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nice rant. Now go and swallow a bratwurst! --- On Wed, 11/5/08, jayrope looper's delight wrote: From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:20 AM Just a note from Berlin: The discussion of whatever national (in this case US) political matters on an international list of international people mainly interested in looping and it's devices should really go and look for a more dedicated place, like a list specialized on US internal politics for instance.. Neither does it make any sense to extensively flame-war about US internals on this international list, nor would you flame-warriors be interested in me and a few others starting extensive posting about our german politics or whatever non-US-relevant stuff. I would suggest for you to refrain from more than basic announcements of such OT topics on looper's delight (which is fine and can be interesting to go in detail about on another, more dedicated list) in the future. looking at the quite disrespectful postings of some people here during today i would also suggest for them to continue those rather personal discussions privately or as a part of another mailing list more dedicated to the matter discussed. Thank you. These discussions are otherwise only cluttering up the inboxes of a majority of looping-interested people here. jayrope / berlin On 05.11.2008, at 17:04, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > RE: Obama [ "Quinn, Matthew" unsubscribe from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad Berlin ,-) --- jayrope === musical === http://kliklak.net http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com http://myspace.com/prinzenallee === visual === http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship --0-228403115-1225905667=:14722 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Nice rant. Now go and swallow a bratwurst!

--- On Wed, 11/5/08, jayrope looper's delight <jrploopers@kliklak.net> wrote:
From: jayrope looper's delight <jrploopers@kliklak.net>
Subject: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:20 AM

Just a note from Berlin:

The discussion of whatever national (in this case US) political matters on an
international list of international people mainly interested in looping and
it's devices should really go and look for a more dedicated place, like a
list specialized on US internal politics for instance..

Neither does it make any sense to extensively flame-war about US internals on
this international list, nor would you flame-warriors be interested in me and a
few others starting extensive posting about our german politics or whatever
non-US-relevant stuff.

I would suggest for you to refrain from more than basic announcements of such
OT topics on looper's delight (which is fine and can be interesting to go in
detail about on another, more dedicated list) in the future. looking at the
quite disrespectful postings of some people here during today i would also
suggest for them to continue those rather personal discussions privately or as a
part of another mailing list more dedicated to the matter discussed.

Thank you. These discussions are otherwise only cluttering up the inboxes of a
majority of looping-interested people here.

jayrope / berlin


On 05.11.2008, at 17:04, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote:

>  RE: Obama                             [ "Quinn, Matthew"
<Matthew_Quinn@MEE ]
>   unsubscribe

from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad Berlin ,-)
---
jayrope
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--0-228403115-1225905667=:14722-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:30:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9222A3BE80; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: (OT) Obama X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:30:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 24EF7F0E00094724EF805B Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:30:38 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: (OT) Obama > At 12:47 AM -0500 11/5/08, Jim Goodin wrote: >>On 11/4/08, William Walker wrote: >>> Hallelujah! >> >>Echo'd pretty jubulant here in ny. My wife and I were at an election >>watching party tonight and as soon as the California polls closed, the >>exit polls moment later declared and the house I was at just lit up >>cheers. Really feels like something amazing has transpired. > > I'd like to be as ecstatic; I really would. However, this is *exactly* > how things felt after Bill Clinton won the first time -- > exorcising the world from the 12 previous years of Reagan/Bush hell. We > thought all that was put behind us. That it was okay to celebrate and > start to re-build the country again. Then, after his two terms, where > were we? Back into the sh*t all over again. > > So today/tonight, celebrate. Eat, drink and be merry. Rejoice in this > victory for the moment. But keep in mind that the same people who dragged > us down for the last 8 years are still out there. And even now, they're > probably already plotting on how they're going to come back over the next > 4 years to take it all back again. > > Not trying to be a downer. But let's just say I'm *very cautiously* > optimistic. Thank you. I was beginning to feel a little alone here. If O-Man is placed in a position where he actually has to DO something instead of talk about it with religious fervor, I will be watching with interest at least. There will be a lot of people on both sides of the aisle, so to speak, watching his every move. Let's hope the Gubmint lets the public see, instead of running smoke screens like the Clintons are so good at. As a cartoonist I will no doubt have to use more ink to do work about our new Prez, but at least I can't be accused of being a racist for that. Or will I? Well, it's Guy Fawkes night in the UK, the anniversary of a failed (quite passionate but nearly incompetent) effort to blow up the Houses of Parliament years ago. "Everyone remember the fifth of November," I think it goes. In the 21st Century Guy Fawkes' masks are used for a variety of purposes, most recently to be Anonymous when picketing the vicious Scientology cult. As an American I love the chance to blow stuff up, though I won't be celebrating for Obama's camp tonight. I'll be celebrating the relative liberty of people to, hundreds of years later, celebrate a plot to overthrow a despotic government that acts (erps, acted!) in contempt of its own people. Forget the Catholic thing, it's rather removed from what the celebration is today. Kaboom, folks. 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In a message dated 11/5/08 12:31:05 PM, spgoodman@earthlight.net writes:


Kaboom, folks.


vallium anyone?.....duncan, i am trying to get over myself but everytime=20= i jump up i fall on my ass.....what a crazy loop that is!.....michael



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AOL Search: Your one stop for direct= ions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_d32.43773f71.36433355_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:36:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15E073BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225906592; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mJEX/TYv7e9oY4XnTanRuhgUFaI=; b=iktuhMoaqu1++YNJ10ltRde9f7fzQ6TUEKLJajhndrzXL8WDWvPlSIP2prZLYirV o6hRySsEJBumQNWmyCS7nueYF3HnPzk8Q//RZPYdyeWUhTFCmL99cksy7R3r/Htf; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Wabf-66X3QnyTzsPzXAA:9 a=nxSA07fHDUpfJtOXSsRNvhfcgXUA:4 a=pusncGfJiYUA:10 a=4vxlTLNEYaxkkv7IaBsA:9 a=QQKuJIV51nqXDke7gM0A:7 a=T_g_3I_mkTr8SZ0sbfh4ZEQZrG0A:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002001c93f6d$0ac927b0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: UNSUSCRIBE Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:36:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C93F43.2179A9F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:36:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C93F43.2179A9F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable UNSUSCRIBE I gotta get back to looping, when you guys are done call me. sheesh! Maybe we could take up religion next. peace out, j ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C93F43.2179A9F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I gotta get back to looping, when you guys are done call me. = sheesh!
 
Maybe we could take up religion next.
 
 
peace out,
 
j
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C93F43.2179A9F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:37:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D97093BE7C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:40:32 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: (OT) Obama In-reply-to: <5E56DBEF3AF0408AAFF35CBC875C72A7@eluk1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811050717n1690ec4fr956149bac965cf87@mail.gmail.com> <5E56DBEF3AF0408AAFF35CBC875C72A7@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:37:47 +0000 (UTC) > A week after the Berlin Wall fell I was on a beach in California, > enjoying the positive benefits of a surging economy thanks to > Reagan's administration and the belief on the part of most > Americans that things were getting much better. Yes, those were the days--Iran/Contra, the beginning of trickle down economics (prosperity sure never trickled down to the people I know), and the continued cultivation of fear mongering ("The evil empire"). Of course, in retrospect, Bush II makes Bush I and Reagan look like gentle, wise old men. > > I don't want that fear introduced again into my country's > mindset, by a man with no foreign policy beyond imitation diplomacy > and PR stunts. We have much bigger problems facing us than the threat that someone is going to launch a nuke our direction. Second, I have the utmost confidence that Obama will put together a cabinet of skilled and extremely capable people. And unlike Bush II, I suspect he'll actually listen to them before making an informed decision--whatever the issue(s) may be. Third, he's much more informed about foreign policy than Bush II ever was going into office. Fourth, he has Biden's considerable experience to draw upon. I could go on... > > I won't answer any of this twaddle after tomorrow, since like most > Conservatives, I intend to get on with my life instead of whining > about the election being "rigged" just because I disagreed with the > result. The funny thing is, I went to bed last night feeling confident that the political climate in this country might genuinely begin to change. Both McCain and Obama's post-election remarks were conciliatory. Both of them acknowledged the need for the right and left to work together to solve the considerable problems we are facing. I think both of them, despite some very important policy disagreements, are moderates who understand the need to work across party lines. I hope the bitterness and disdain you have regarding the election passes, and I hope it's not indicative of the way the other 50 million people who voted for McCain feel today. We've got to move past the winner-take-all mentality that follows election night, while the loser harbors resentment and plots revenge. I think this country can do a lot better than that. There's way too much at stake to continue the culture wars. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:42:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 192263BE8D; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:42:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48D48BDE309543348ED7EACC7607628B@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811050620p2b9a41e3jcc6cf614ef4814d7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Obama X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:42:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 24FA772900094724FA7876 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:42:35 +0000 (UTC) >You know SP Goodman. We have been eating the shit sandwich that 'W.' has >been feeding us for the last 8 years. You can be bitter all you want, but I >think this election speaks volumes about the American people. Using that language you sound more bitter than I could possibly be, at least in your mind. Yeah, the American People may have pulled a Carter here. I can only hope for the best, and wait for O-Man's cracks in the thin vaneer of his image to show. > I am so proud of this country after 8 yrs of tremendous shame and > unchecked aggression. Because a lot of people succumbed to a superior marketing machine that never really told you anything about the man? > However, now that Obama is president elect it is time to hold him to his > word and I am ready to do that. I'll wait for that too. An interesting analysis of the vote I read here - and not a lot of Brits know the slightest thing about the American political process, frankly, though they love vaguely blathering on about how awful it is - pinpointed the demographics of those who voted for the Big O, children of Baby Boomers. Such folks haven't known what the column referred to it as "the politics of scarcity", having been raised in comparatively prosperous surroundings, with the biggest thing they ever worried about being the cost of gas. While I don't think it's that black-and-white (am I allowed to say that now?), I think it's an issue. The Anonymous I have protested with against the Scientology cult here in England - mostly between ages 16-30 - are not knife-wielding yobs with pregnant 'partners' in running suits, but rather young people with an interest in the future, without the bullshit fed to us every day by PR departments. I can at least hope, while having been out of the US for over seven years since my last visit, that the students persuaded to vote for O-Man (by supposedly impartial people who wore their Obama buttons while signing up people to vote) may well be more aware than their silly parents were, more discriminating, and willing to call O-Man on his lies, when he tells them. If they do they'll display a lot more courage and integrity than the press has. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:44:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05B0F3BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Obama X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:44:01 -0000 X-Vipre-Scanned: 24FBDD0200094724FBDE4F MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C93F6E.165D5E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:44:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C93F6E.165D5E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish (although = I'm living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I = struggled to keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, = normal, everyday folks being washed in such a sense of relief, = jubilation and hope. Wonderful news :) BRAINwashing, you mean. Besides the emotional rush do you think there = will be anything else Americans will get from him? ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C93F6E.165D5E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish = (although I'm=20 living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I = struggled to=20 keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, normal, = everyday folks=20 being washed in such a sense of relief, jubilation and hope. Wonderful = news=20 :)
BRAINwashing, you mean.  Besides the emotional = rush do=20 you think there will be anything else Americans will get from = him?
 
------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C93F6E.165D5E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:46:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EFAA3BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:46:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3BEFFBA9E0614FD7AA3E3D82340DAC86@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <002001c93f6d$0ac927b0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: UNSUSCRIBE X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:46:35 -0000 X-Vipre-Scanned: 24FE36B100094724FE37FE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C93F6E.722CC960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:46:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C93F6E.722CC960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hah, this firefight is nothing compared to the one about 9-11. That = went on for weeks. I've already said I'm not saying nothin after = midnight tonight about this, unless someone decides to get all bitter = and insulting. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:36 PM Subject: UNSUSCRIBE UNSUSCRIBE I gotta get back to looping, when you guys are done call me. sheesh! Maybe we could take up religion next. peace out, j ------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C93F6E.722CC960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hah, this firefight is nothing compared to the one = about=20 9-11.  That went on for weeks.  I've already said I'm not = saying=20 nothin after midnight tonight about this, unless someone decides to get = all=20 bitter and insulting.
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I gotta get back to looping, when you guys are done call me.=20 sheesh!
 
Maybe we could take up religion next.
 
 
peace out,
 
j
------=_NextPart_000_00DB_01C93F6E.722CC960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:49:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50B713BE8B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vePWv+38nDsvxLtzZgv/wcc1FsNZ8QnidjWgg/AITqU=; b=d3Yc2ipwHxyxVtlRdSR7VxpKgNqWCuYMewwKqZ2a8vqR6Rcp2rMpTaNdRIVv1T+HVJ niu6M+1MjpQJJZjZ9ye7kZ+I2al6thqoD2dw4xG1cs6+zsO9Z3+Ig1LYx/4O6Onwr5/C meA5oxzsyEHFKmTWe/cehiPn3c/XRemO44wQk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=F/No5D9+EbnvTaJQ+d5Hh2CZsW1TP09XbEq7YEWe8/106I6yeTjzGPpovG3I45rOEZ LYmRPcjkkv2v/dCjT9C1Lpx5E5s/V7HfQ/AVXa9gzrm1atk4x4Yxz38gpBemtcE/yATC SmHiT2yoR5HUKNmRgy3WbXeVLiI16ft6f+5hE= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811050949o545605d8j51ba81da8d8542cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:49:44 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42982_30206004.1225907384149" References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:49:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42982_30206004.1225907384149 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline this is all disheartening and I'm sorry I got sucked into it which was meant to be a positive but clearly a waste of time and only widened the pissing match. Sorry for my input, what can I say but politics and religion.... On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM, SP Goodman wrote: > Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish (although > I'm living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I > struggled to keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, > normal, everyday folks being washed in such a sense of relief, jubilation > and hope. Wonderful news :) > BRAINwashing, you mean. Besides the emotional rush do you think there will > be anything else Americans will get from him? > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_42982_30206004.1225907384149 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline this is all disheartening and I'm sorry I got sucked into it which was meant to be a positive but clearly a waste of time and only widened the pissing match.  Sorry for my input, what can I say but politics and religion....

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 12:44 PM, SP Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Just wanted to add my congratulations on behalf of the Irish (although I'm living in England, where we are also celebrating). I must admit I struggled to keep back the tears watching the thousands of desperate, normal, everyday folks being washed in such a sense of relief, jubilation and hope. Wonderful news :)
BRAINwashing, you mean.  Besides the emotional rush do you think there will be anything else Americans will get from him?
 



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MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_42982_30206004.1225907384149-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:53:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A7B3BE8A; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 11:56:18 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Obama In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-639959286 X-Priority: 3 References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:53:33 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-639959286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > BRAINwashing, you mean. You just said you haven't lived in this country for the past 7 years, right? Well, first of all--lucky you. I find it astonishing, however, that you would be so presumptuous to assume that people who voted for Obama have been "brainwashed" or "tricked" (to quote an earlier email you wrote) without having been here to witness the process play out. I'm not an idiot. I have a Ph.D from one of the finest institutions in the world bar none. No one brainwashed me before I cast my vote. But, fyi, Obama wasn't who I voted for in the primaries. But I support him despite some reservations I have had about his qualifications. More than that, though, I understand the importance of the historical moment, and I feel like a very dark could has begun to lift over this country. I don't understand your insistence on having such contempt for the process and the clear, overwhelming mandate for change that more than half this country voted for. > Besides the emotional rush do you think there will be anything else > Americans will get from him? > Of course. But let time be the judge. Much better days are ahead. It just might take a long time to get there thanks to the shit hole we're living in at present. Jeff --Apple-Mail-3-639959286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

You just said you haven't lived = in this country for the past 7 years, right? Well, first of all--lucky = you.

=A0I = find it astonishing, however, that you would be so presumptuous to = assume that people who voted for Obama have been "brainwashed" or = "tricked" (to quote an earlier email you wrote) without having been here = to witness the process play out. I'm not an idiot. I have a Ph.D from = one of the finest institutions in the world bar none. No one brainwashed = me before I cast my vote. But, fyi, Obama wasn't who I voted for in the = primaries. But I support him despite some reservations I have had about = his qualifications. More than that, though, I understand the importance = of the historical moment, and I feel like a very dark could has begun to = lift over this country. I don't understand your insistence on having = such contempt for the process and the clear, overwhelming mandate for = change that more than half this country voted = for.

= Besides the emotional rush do you think there will be anything else = Americans will get from him?

Of course. = But let time be the judge. Much better days are ahead. It just might = take a long time to get there thanks to the shit hole we're living in at = present.

Jeff
= --Apple-Mail-3-639959286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 17:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FC383BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811050717n1690ec4fr956149bac965cf87@mail.gmail.com> <5E56DBEF3AF0408AAFF35CBC875C72A7@eluk1> Subject: Re: (OT) Obama X-Unsent: 1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:57:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 2507D15F0009472507D2AC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:57:10 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Shirkey" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: (OT) Obama > > >> A week after the Berlin Wall fell I was on a beach in California, >> enjoying the positive benefits of a surging economy thanks to Reagan's >> administration and the belief on the part of most Americans that things >> were getting much better. > > Yes, those were the days--Iran/Contra, the beginning of trickle down > economics (prosperity sure never trickled down to the people I know), and > the continued cultivation of fear mongering ("The evil empire"). Hm, Iran/Contra, a series of blown-out hearing that let a lot of politicians grandstand without really saying anything, or really doing anything but appearing to do something about it? Trickle-down was never allowed to work, then was blamed because it never worked by the same people who stopped it. So you didn't think that Communism was anything but a soft belief system that never threatened anyone huh? Ask the Albanians. There should be some in your town, as a lot of them fled to the US to avoid being slaughtered by the Red Army. > Of course, in retrospect, Bush II makes Bush I and Reagan look like > gentle, wise old men. I kind of think of Bush II as a bit like Herbert Hoover. Not a lot for a satirist to work with, and whatever cartoons one can draw of the guy always look the same. >> I don't want that fear introduced again into my country's mindset, by >> a man with no foreign policy beyond imitation diplomacy and PR stunts. > > We have much bigger problems facing us than the threat that someone is > going to launch a nuke our direction. Like what? > Second, I have the utmost confidence that Obama will put together a > cabinet of skilled and extremely capable people. Do ya think Colin Powell's going to be there? Do ya? It's their so-called "skills" at hiding socialistic efforts that I'm concerned about. Remember Hilary in the 96 convention pounding her fist into her hand and repeating how we (aka "not us" in the liberal camp) "have to pay your fair (fist pound) share (fist pound)"? What was that about, being forced to share your candy? > And unlike Bush II, I suspect he'll actually listen to them before making > an informed decision--whatever the issue(s) may be. Ah, the Massiah. How do you know what's in a man's mind? Where's the proof? > Third, he's much more informed about foreign policy than Bush II ever was > going into office. URLs or it doesn't exist. > Fourth, he has Biden's considerable experience to draw upon. I could go > on... And old Demo Biden does, though not in the foreign policy sector. Perhaps he'll get Obama to start plagiarising Martin Luther King speeches. >> I won't answer any of this twaddle after tomorrow, since like most >> Conservatives, I intend to get on with my life instead of whining about >> the election being "rigged" just because I disagreed with the result. > > The funny thing is, I went to bed last night feeling confident that the > political climate in this country might genuinely begin to change. Both > McCain and Obama's post-election remarks were conciliatory. Both of them > acknowledged the need for the right and left to work together to solve > the considerable problems we are facing. I think both of them, despite > some very important policy disagreements, are moderates who understand > the need to work across party lines. One hopes for the best. > I hope the bitterness and disdain you have regarding the election passes, > and I hope it's not indicative of the way the other 50 million people who > voted for McCain feel today. Funny how you have the power to read people's minds and see into their souls. Has this gone on a long time? You've forgotten the "bitterness and disdain" (gentle phrases for this) that the Left felt post 2000 and 2004. Hey, even the antique Electoral College didn't help Kerry there. Gasp! They must have cheated! > We've got to move past the winner-take-all mentality that follows election > night, while the loser harbors resentment and plots revenge. Whew, sounds like what I was saying about Democrats the past eight years. >I think this country can do a lot better than that. There's way too much at >stake to continue the culture wars. Let's hope the wars remain cultural. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:07:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E2FF3BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF07380757014B@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-640576802 Message-Id: <1F4E1431-4B02-446F-A6A9-8B832ADB7D76@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: unsubscribe (Harvard) Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:06:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:07:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-640576802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Er....wouldn't that more appropriately be a Yale "education"? (Bush's alma mater) (snicker) All the best, Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:24 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Ah, the benefits of the Harvard education when it comes to reading > those pesky "unsubscribe" instructions. > > Nice first try! > > TH > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Quinn, Matthew > wrote: > unsubscribe > --Apple-Mail-2-640576802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Er....wouldn't that more appropriately be a Yale "education"? (Bush's = alma mater) (snicker)

All the = best,


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Ah, the = benefits of the Harvard education when it comes to reading those pesky = "unsubscribe" instructions.

Nice first try!

TH

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= --Apple-Mail-2-640576802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:10:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C91BF3BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811050620p2b9a41e3jcc6cf614ef4814d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:03:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Obama Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: <71ngRB.A.pbB.SGeEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Here's something I posted on another mailing list, responding to a crack form a British friend that there was no difference between Obama and McCain: >The political discourse in America has been inhumane for a >generation. Richard Nixon initiated the practice of campaigning on >character assassination; Ronald Reagan took office by appealing to >selfishness, then proceeded to subvert the principles of his country >and party for the enrichment of his backers. Bill Clinton got >elected with the language of compassion but was too weak to vanquish >the obstructionists and too personally flawed to hold the moral high >ground. > >George W. Bush wasn't even elected. His rhetoric was Orwellian in >its abuse of truth, and his administration was a pure kleptocracy. >He and his owners are in the process of cleaning out what's left in >the till before they are sent packing in January. > >There is no way Barack Obama can be as good a president as we need >him to be, but the mere fact of the frame of reference from which he >speaks is enough to give hope to this country and this world. > >We stepped back from the brink yesterday. We should have done it >four years ago. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:10:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FB563BE90; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> References: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:07:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: looping! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:10:31 +0000 (UTC) On a more positive note, I am thankful for this list as a resource. I sent my EDP off to British Audio Service (conveniently located in the Illinois region of the UK) for repair after finding the info here. And I have to post this as well, even though there are only about 45 seconds of looping on the record (in the intro to "Save Us from the Saved"): More than a year in the making - my new studio CD is finally here! THE ONES THAT LOOK THE WEIRDEST TASTE THE BEST Produced by Tim Carbone 1. Shove in the Right Direction (David Gans-Lorin Rowan) 2. Down to Eugene (Jim Page) 3. An American Family (David Gans) 4. That's Real Love (David Gans-Skehan-Carbone-Goessling-Grubb) 5. Save Us from the Saved (David Gans) 6. The Bounty of the County (David Gans-Rita Hurault) 7. Echolalia (David Gans) 8. Headin' Home Already (David Gans) 9. Autumn Day (David Gans) 10. Like a Dog (Robert Hunter-David Gans) 11. It's Gonna Get Better (David Gans) David Gans - acoustic guitar, electric guitar, loop guitar, vocals Tim Carbone - violin, baritone violin, drums, harmonica, special violin, prepared piano, fire extinguishers, harmony vocal, background vocals John Skehan III - mandolin, special mandolin, piano, background vocals Andy Goessling - autoharp, banjo, acoustic guitar, ukulele, clarinet, bass clarinet, 12-string guitar, National steel guitar, baritone saxophone, background vocals Zac Matthews - mandolin, harmony vocal on "The Bounty of the County" Buck Dilly - electric guitar, lap steel, pedal steel guitar, tremolo guitar, organ Robert Matarazzo - harmony vocal Johnny Grubb - string bass Lindsey Horner - string bass Paul Knight - bass on "The Bounty of the County" Ned Stroh - drums, bowed cymbal This is a bootstrap operation, and every cent that comes in from these early sales is put to work on advertising and promotion. Cover art, audio samples, and more info here: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/?p=1081 There's also a link to order via PayPal. If you want to pay by check or money order, send to: Perfectible Recordings PERF-07 484 Lake Park Ave. #102 Oakland CA 94610-2730 To US addresses: $18 for one, $33 for 2 Outside the US: $22 for one copy There's also an ordering button on the front page of http://www.dgans.com -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:15:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB513BE8E; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225908922; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=eRYr78ZeV0mqenrGzjVZsF9JRZc=; b=NJubjkEelmnGKYas/lkWbeCi41rE6U2yPFuuPd7tSNLjfOfSbbEe5tazLU+GoEPo SyfZFdbCLiAJ0gYnXFCaXR1Dce5OpXPgjeCVokjo+CT4e/yDpAQ3d4c4gAGGtD10; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=vv9hyzaV_eBy66Yb5ZYA:9 a=8rgTscJfWhnaI9ozE64A:7 a=Si58nLEofFj9L2mgFEkLdoSgQBMA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:15:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:22 +0000 (UTC) Thats interesting Ted, I put experimental in my web tags alot and am interested in what gets linked to the clip or tune. The search engines are also pretty broad in their definitions. I found this which is wonderful. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK4tEPRvA24 which led me to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW0AqoWp1yI and alot of loopers from this list from the tags looping, ambient, and experimental If I put experimental first or only experimental it changes everything. If I play the same old weird stuff all the time, even though it might still be way out of mainstream Can I still call myself experimental? Like my latest video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3YSMWTej6o I call it experimental but the music and technique are old school and nothing new. What is experimental for me in this instance is the video itself because I am trying new things. Even that is experimental only to me because the effects that I am experimenting with are tried and true stock stuff. Just new to me. Also I am experimenting with new ways to present my sounds and video is cool for that and new and different for me. For others its perhaps old hat. You said: "It's an openness . . . and something that happens in the mind . . . an attitude . . . inventiveness. An awareness that even the world around you is producing "music" every moment. Every sound you hear. It's tuning into and becoming a part of that (for me) and inventing new "music" right along with the cosmos." That statment is music to my ears. Thanks Ted. peace, j Btw, have you seen the movie Augest Rush? I got tears at the end. Sappy and contrived, I know. How about The Legend of 1900? Great stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? Hi all, My Concept of "experimental" music is fairly broad. But it is a heck of a lot more than merely coming to a gig unprepared and without any particular idea in mind as to "material." If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything sounds more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo. Experimental music need not be random or atonal or devoid of accessible melody - though it often might seems to be in practice. I think some of us are used to, or are influenced by the labels that the music press often give to artists they don't quite know what to do with. Take Adrian Belew for instance, lovely man, great guitar player, totally innovative and one of a kind - they often call him "experimental." While I certainly love most everything he does, and though he may have some waaaay "out there" experimental moments - still nearly everything he does fits fairly neatly onto a standard pop/rock formula. Highly tweaked? Yes it is! Experimental? Probably not in the truest sense. We're all technology hogs here. But going out and buying the latest, greatest esoteric music technology (instrument, appliance or software) will not make one of us any more "experimental" per se than if we'd used the same money to buy dental floss. That is unless we'd figured out ho to make inventive music with dental floss (I suppose). It's what you play and what your concept of what music **MIGHT BE** (potentiality) that makes it "experimental" in my book. It can be done by the most simple means and even no technology at all for that matter. It can be done without even an "instrument" if it comes to that. It's an openness . . . and something that happens in the mind . . . an attitude . . . inventiveness. An awareness that even the world around you is producing "music" every moment. Every sound you hear. It's tuning into and becoming a part of that (for me) and inventing new "music" right along with the cosmos. -- tEd ® kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: 11/5/2008 7:17 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:15:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A11983BE97; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HPaIvDz9+XlFU3BXZRm6uxw+q2RvW+ubYg+wo0MEstw=; b=rpP+FFJCqvstt+gHXnP1zXFQP42Yo6WFgQHTkyo7ENvI8ZRDgrq1RAkXtSeI6ucXih tf4IlHOXa+Qe2MpC2YGoy6ZOgWADwJ8s5H33kvf5mj/xPO8KNcOz4xqL4/NldPqjOxwo qJ1cEsLOJWlE3mC4o3Z4KUdRMucPq7w9/+1Yk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BxeGKc8rThkJ7ReG00wpSnwLfM1WfQYJdUS9lOX9E5vp1BMKoamjjbguIh8ntjer5g haXnY5JugF3/ivQEqixjapFcvt8+fl3GMp/QdD/uTKPNFpEnqftRbNna2bE6/vyYZ3nN /Aa6+uI8AnTeN/7Mi++i8W/728Uz7CnTvQ3XA= Message-ID: <4759e5740811051015t667b2e9kdb7867d09643151c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:15:42 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: looping! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14449_20547343.1225908942243" References: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> Resent-Message-ID: <3TJtEB.A.CpB.PLeEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:15:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14449_20547343.1225908942243 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline congrats David! from one fiddle player to another, Tim sounds great! will you be offering it up on itunes? t. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > On a more positive note, I am thankful for this list as a resource. I sent > my EDP off to British Audio Service (conveniently located in the Illinois > region of the UK) for repair after finding the info here. > > > And I have to post this as well, even though there are only about 45 > seconds of looping on the record (in the intro to "Save Us from the Saved"): > > > > More than a year in the making - my new studio CD is finally here! > > THE ONES THAT LOOK THE WEIRDEST TASTE THE BEST > Produced by Tim Carbone > > 1. Shove in the Right Direction (David Gans-Lorin Rowan) > 2. Down to Eugene (Jim Page) > 3. An American Family (David Gans) > 4. That's Real Love (David Gans-Skehan-Carbone-Goessling-Grubb) > 5. Save Us from the Saved (David Gans) > 6. The Bounty of the County (David Gans-Rita Hurault) > 7. Echolalia (David Gans) > 8. Headin' Home Already (David Gans) > 9. Autumn Day (David Gans) > 10. Like a Dog (Robert Hunter-David Gans) > 11. It's Gonna Get Better (David Gans) > > David Gans - acoustic guitar, electric guitar, loop guitar, vocals > Tim Carbone - violin, baritone violin, drums, harmonica, special violin, > prepared piano, fire extinguishers, harmony vocal, background vocals > John Skehan III - mandolin, special mandolin, piano, background vocals > Andy Goessling - autoharp, banjo, acoustic guitar, ukulele, clarinet, > bass clarinet, 12-string guitar, National steel guitar, baritone > saxophone, background vocals > Zac Matthews - mandolin, harmony vocal on "The Bounty of the County" > Buck Dilly - electric guitar, lap steel, pedal steel guitar, tremolo > guitar, organ > Robert Matarazzo - harmony vocal > Johnny Grubb - string bass > Lindsey Horner - string bass > Paul Knight - bass on "The Bounty of the County" > Ned Stroh - drums, bowed cymbal > > > > This is a bootstrap operation, and every cent that comes in from these > early sales is put to work on advertising and promotion. > > Cover art, audio samples, and more info here: > > http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/?p=1081 > > There's also a link to order via PayPal. If you want to pay by check or > money order, send to: > > Perfectible Recordings PERF-07 > 484 Lake Park Ave. #102 > Oakland CA 94610-2730 > > > To US addresses: $18 for one, $33 for 2 > Outside the US: $22 for one copy > > > There's also an ordering button on the front page of http://www.dgans.com > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > > -- In New York from the 2nd to 14th of October, Then on to California with Meredith Monk. http://blog.toddreynolds.com http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic ------=_Part_14449_20547343.1225908942243 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline congrats David! 

from one fiddle player to another, Tim sounds great!

will you be offering it up on itunes?

t.


On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:07 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:


On a more positive note, I am thankful for this list as a resource. I sent my EDP off to British Audio Service (conveniently located in the Illinois region of the UK) for repair after finding the info here.


And I have to post this as well, even though there are only about 45 seconds of looping on the record (in the intro to "Save Us from the Saved"):



More than a year in the making - my new studio CD is finally here!

THE ONES THAT LOOK THE WEIRDEST TASTE THE BEST
Produced by Tim Carbone

1. Shove in the Right Direction (David Gans-Lorin Rowan)
2. Down to Eugene (Jim Page)
3. An American Family (David Gans)
4. That's Real Love (David Gans-Skehan-Carbone-Goessling-Grubb)
5. Save Us from the Saved (David Gans)
6. The Bounty of the County (David Gans-Rita Hurault)
7. Echolalia (David Gans)
8. Headin' Home Already (David Gans)
9. Autumn Day (David Gans)
10. Like a Dog (Robert Hunter-David Gans)
11. It's Gonna Get Better (David Gans)

David Gans - acoustic guitar, electric guitar, loop guitar, vocals
Tim Carbone - violin, baritone violin, drums, harmonica, special violin,
  prepared piano, fire extinguishers, harmony vocal, background vocals
John Skehan III - mandolin, special mandolin, piano, background vocals
Andy Goessling - autoharp, banjo, acoustic guitar, ukulele, clarinet,
  bass clarinet, 12-string guitar, National steel guitar, baritone
  saxophone, background vocals
Zac Matthews - mandolin, harmony vocal on "The Bounty of the County"
Buck Dilly - electric guitar, lap steel, pedal steel guitar, tremolo
  guitar, organ
Robert Matarazzo - harmony vocal
Johnny Grubb - string bass
Lindsey Horner - string bass
Paul Knight - bass on "The Bounty of the County"
Ned Stroh - drums, bowed cymbal



This is a bootstrap operation, and every cent that comes in from these early sales is put to work on advertising and promotion.

Cover art, audio samples, and more info here:

http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/?p=1081

There's also a link to order via PayPal.  If you want to pay by check or money order, send to:

Perfectible Recordings PERF-07
484 Lake Park Ave. #102
Oakland CA 94610-2730


To US addresses: $18 for one, $33 for 2
Outside the US:  $22 for one copy


There's also an ordering button on the front page of http://www.dgans.com




--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans






--
In New York from the 2nd to 14th of October,
Then on to California with Meredith Monk.

http://blog.toddreynolds.com
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic

------=_Part_14449_20547343.1225908942243-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:37:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 726E03BE8D; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:37:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bVHYcYTs3DnkkWYA2AtNnOu7PSz2JWUyRvc+2mV0em4=; b=qYhO9jAKVAdvK2I8RtUyZTlgWxU6pskZ969mmsnL+Af1AhviGbXM89d/lkS17ULANZ QdEamJKICTb1rWAI1em7GHXKyA5+rEVc49CkTUCgjwZJYzpg6JuHK5CXfMB8PI5jSyLr rlNfatGkW04r905KsJ0GFb268V/G3tQBKH7Jc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Y1OPXOxgjjdDWq9zFsSPU9gO4ceEMv6XcuO7TEeLHkmu4wQjcswY/CVlZwQMzznS7z FFpehne8GCTardLM6Cf+hQ9zav5xzkT6JXeE12fR+KYodwKhk5jFmcZz5Ul1nLJGKRsl f5iU2hpB+5Qh7f3VYPwrP078jGfMLpdDUAzzg= Message-ID: <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:37:44 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14944_8341161.1225910264448" References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c4a7cff1eac768a1 Resent-Message-ID: <1KRWNC.A.hDC.5feEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:37:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14944_8341161.1225910264448 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Gee, I'm experimental and i thought the operational defn was simply "music no-one likes". or perhaps i have a different problem :-) Actually, nice exposition, Ted. Warren ------=_Part_14944_8341161.1225910264448 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Gee, I'm experimental and i thought the operational defn was simply "music no-one likes". or perhaps i have a different problem :-)

Actually, nice exposition, Ted.

Warren
------=_Part_14944_8341161.1225910264448-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88F563BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4759e5740811051015t667b2e9kdb7867d09643151c@mail.gmail.com> References: <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <4759e5740811051015t667b2e9kdb7867d09643151c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:33:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: looping! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:40:44 +0000 (UTC) At 1:15 PM -0500 11/5/08, todd reynolds wrote: >congrats David! > >from one fiddle player to another, Tim sounds great! > >will you be offering it up on itunes? Yes. CDBaby is processing it now, and it'll be on iTunes and elsewhere in a couple of days. Tim Carbone is a treasure. A kick-ass fiddle player, and for my music at least, a sensitive and creative producer. But I have to add that the MVP of this record is Andy Goessling. On this record he contributed autoharp, banjo, acoustic guitar, ukulele, clarinet, bass clarinet, 12-string guitar, National steel guitar, baritone saxophone, and background vocals. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:51:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4AE33BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> X-Unsent: 1 Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:50:56 -0000 X-Vipre-Scanned: 253922020009482539234F MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:51:02 +0000 (UTC) >You just said you haven't lived in this country for the past 7 years, >right? Well, first of all--lucky you. If you hate it that much come live in a country where you don't quite have the freedoms and rights you take for granted in the US. > I find it astonishing, however, that you would be so presumptuous to > assume that people who voted for Obama have been "brainwashed" or > "tricked" (to quote an earlier email you wrote) without having been here > to witness the process play out. The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, behaviourally. How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would solve their gas bill problem? What's that? > I'm not an idiot. I have a Ph.D from one of the finest institutions in the > world bar none. No one brainwashed me before I cast my vote. So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? > But, fyi, Obama wasn't who I voted for in the primaries. But I support him > despite some reservations I have had about his qualifications. More than > that, though, I understand the importance of the historical moment, and I > feel like a very dark could has begun to lift over this country. I don't > understand your insistence on having such contempt for the process and the > clear, overwhelming mandate for change that more than half this country > voted for. Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000 or 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic mistake. "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? >>Besides the emotional rush do you think there will be anything else >>Americans will get from him? > Of course. But let time be the judge. Much better days are ahead. It just > might take a long time to get there thanks to the shit hole we're living > in at present. Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:54:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BAC13BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225911296; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=LzG14Y5TsyEU1FIlT73953SQuHI=; b=F7bGyv44jkhy0YE3LOcE0JK63pA8PiMIU5ODPZvWEtQi505uOMQ+Nr6xNohs93Cv mdQXxQ0fx+EzGOvPg5vGixSA02ZTfMGC1G56Cl7PuMUocA/cwQTJuY3h5Heike3v; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KzaO8LHMAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=B6tRuBJUsaz9AkiA_CAA:9 a=SurvkkjG0qRhCoynSyUA:7 a=I9Ca60XE6i_TSDMhv-lv5aBnCR8A:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=ZJC0iaDBDgmSo_z-BIEA:9 a=OxiZblQ_2Ep3hnI9pMgA:7 a=u2s-auHF65ljsXwnmmK6lgVAHx8A:4 a=YTTCQ6faurcA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001501c93f77$fe5d5f40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:54:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C93F4E.14D4A910" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:54:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C93F4E.14D4A910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I Googled "music no one likes" and got this. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/04/AR2007040= 401721.html So don't feel too bad,lol j ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? Gee, I'm experimental and i thought the operational defn was simply = "music no-one likes". or perhaps i have a different problem :-) Actually, nice exposition, Ted. Warren -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: = 11/5/2008 7:17 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C93F4E.14D4A910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I Googled "music no one likes" and got=20 this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article= /2007/04/04/AR2007040401721.html
 
So don't feel too bad,lol
 
j
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Actually, nice exposition, Ted.

Warren


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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C93F4E.14D4A910-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:56:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0743E3BE8C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> X-Unsent: 1 Subject: Re: What's experimental? X-Vipre-Scanned: 253E7DE5000948253E7F32 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:56:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0243_01C93F78.410A0190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:56:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C93F78.410A0190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Warren Sirota=20 Gee, I'm experimental and i thought the operational defn was simply = "music no-one likes". or perhaps i have a different problem :-) In the late 80s I bounced between two music stores in Pasadena, one the = late great Poobah's (sigh!), the other a chain that changed names via = company purchases several times. Brian Eno's work used to be in the = same place at Poobah's, but in the other more standard retail store, it = moved quite a few times through the following categories: "Experimental" "Electronic" "Soundtrack" (I kid you not, it was "Apollo" and "Dune" that moved ALL = his stuff there) "New Age" "New Wave" "Alternate Rock" "Rock" Can anyone else remember more of them? ------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C93F78.410A0190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From:=20 Warren=20 Sirota
Gee, I'm experimental and i thought the operational defn was = simply=20 "music no-one likes". or perhaps i have a different problem=20 :-)
In the late 80s I bounced between two music stores = in=20 Pasadena, one the late great Poobah's (sigh!), the other a chain that = changed=20 names via company purchases several times.  Brian Eno's work used = to be in=20 the same place at Poobah's, but in the other more standard retail store, = it=20 moved quite a few times through the following categories:
 
"Experimental"
"Electronic"
"Soundtrack" (I kid you not, it was "Apollo" and = "Dune" that=20 moved ALL his stuff there)
"New Age"
"New Wave"
"Alternate Rock"
"Rock"
 
Can anyone else remember more of=20 them?
------=_NextPart_000_0243_01C93F78.410A0190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 18:59:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682973BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-643666569 Message-Id: <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 10:58:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:59:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-643666569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! > > Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it", like all of the smug Rethug spit balls everywhere over here (and their "talk" shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone ELSE do, back when BushCo first got (haha) "elected". Also, as I seem to recall, the (haha) "landslide victory" and "mandate" that Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED over 12 years ago was something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY close to that. Oh yeah! A real "mandate"! Hurray! The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah blah blah...ad nauseam. Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight. Check out the WIDE margin between Obama / Biden and McBane / The Mooseburger Mom. BIG difference. Seems to me like The People really HAVE spoken THIS time. Take your own advice and "just get over it"... At least now we also won't be seeing much anymore of the pale and bloodless face of that hideous Reptile that McLame is married to, along with also not see much anymore of that Caribou Barbie cartoon character as time goes by. I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent animals from a helicopter for 'sport'" will begin to just fade...off...into...the...dust bin...of...history. Good riddance. And, don't believe for a second that she is going to "donate" that 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to "charity". Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", prefer to HOLD ONTO such tawdry "treasures". Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? Ha! That'd be a laugh! The poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least some of their BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow from their gamble that LOST, and lost BIG TIME. Har! Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-5-643666569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote:

Praise tha lawd!=A0 Obama's "Evangelical" Act = must've worked!



Spoken like a = true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser.

Hey, = to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out there, THIS = time it is YOUR turn=A0to "just get over it",=A0
like all of = the smug=A0Rethug=A0spit balls everywhere over here (and their "talk" = shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone ELSE=A0do,=A0
back when = BushCo first got =A0(haha) "elected".

Also, as = I seem to recall,=A0the (haha)=A0"landslide victory" and "mandate" that = Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED=A0
over 12 years ago=A0was = something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY close to that. =A0Oh yeah! =A0 A real = "mandate"! =A0Hurray!
The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah = blah blah...ad nauseam. =A0Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight.

Check out the = WIDE margin between Obama / Biden and McBane / The Mooseburger Mom. =A0BIG= difference.=A0
Seems to me like=A0The People = really HAVE spoken THIS time. Take your own advice and "just get over = it"...

At least now we also won't be seeing = much anymore of the pale and bloodless face of that hideous =A0Reptile = that McLame is married to,=A0
along with also not see much = anymore of that Caribou Barbie cartoon character=A0as time goes by. = =A0=A0
I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent = animals from a helicopter for 'sport'"=A0
will begin to just = fade...off...into...the...dust bin...of...history. =A0 Good = riddance.

And, don't believe for a second that = she is going to "donate"=A0that 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to = "charity".
Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", = prefer to HOLD ONTO such tawdry = "treasures".=A0

Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND = that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? =A0Ha! =A0That'd be a laugh!
The = poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least some of their = BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow=A0
from their gamble that = LOST,=A0and lost BIG TIME. =A0Har!


= --Apple-Mail-5-643666569-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 19:18:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2FCE3BE7B; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ehTCzh/coBDQTu/lGew2YY+Lvms7gf3Cp2+o4MCDqHE=; b=qSdFZ7yla/v5Jfq/tlSwTzYkO5Iz0kK9Wf/88NvO8A+xAwtK/b1V2pJu+SWYt7pUNU HkTw5cD/lbxqKn7/kj4gT80pu+wZYdX2vRH7+dqFwwkguY+EEHLUfWvUajtI2c9E4dkj RGsaRMxBr1w+sJb3GRFq+8AXQkmf4ubUGcABs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=XKf9xZTMR3pI05/3hY01qztJtfuJcrMWvA2vS5ypsp51MCZpMh4VI8XRUMwHfWhdHt VIQUc+kDFmqBVWsBb8Rn1TJgtvslb3qDUWZarJ/xLw1GHFr0dZGFo7uaKhpEyKNHkDS7 4ckD+i4NGUdu4JKhXGTbLkRe0wt+LY21CFSsk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:18:48 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <522114.14722.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> <522114.14722.qm@web53805.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1b1e1a1a21c79c15 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:18:49 +0000 (UTC) I don't mean to be rude (really), but I'd love to hear a discussion about German politics. It'd really help my global political perspective. Also, it's really easy to filter out the political discussion, and afaik it doesn't happen that often. Sorry if the amount of ot discussion is in violation of the mailing list policies though, contributing to that is not my intention. -Nick On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Howard Alan Treesong wrote: > Nice rant. Now go and swallow a bratwurst! > > --- On Wed, 11/5/08, jayrope looper's delight > wrote: > > From: jayrope looper's delight > Subject: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:20 AM > > Just a note from Berlin: > > The discussion of whatever national (in this case US) political matters on > an > international list of international people mainly interested in looping and > it's devices should really go and look for a more dedicated place, like a > list specialized on US internal politics for instance.. > > Neither does it make any sense to extensively flame-war about US internals > on > this international list, nor would you flame-warriors be interested in me > and a > few others starting extensive posting about our german politics or whatever > non-US-relevant stuff. > > I would suggest for you to refrain from more than basic announcements of > such > OT topics on looper's delight (which is fine and can be interesting to go in > detail about on another, more dedicated list) in the future. looking at the > quite disrespectful postings of some people here during today i would also > suggest for them to continue those rather personal discussions privately or > as a > part of another mailing list more dedicated to the matter discussed. > > Thank you. These discussions are otherwise only cluttering up the inboxes of > a > majority of looping-interested people here. > > jayrope / berlin > > > On 05.11.2008, at 17:04, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com > wrote: > >> RE: Obama [ "Quinn, Matthew" > > unsubscribe > > from the forefront of gentrification: New Bad Berlin ,-) > --- > jayrope > === musical === > http://kliklak.net > http://aircushionfinish.kliklak.net > http://touchdonttouch.com > http://myspace.com/prinzenallee > === visual === > http://jayropinsky.kliklak.net/thingship > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 19:29:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D903BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 149039 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:29:51 UTC In-Reply-To: <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-645569260 Message-Id: <980DD7E3-3968-4AAC-B579-190313FD0523@lividinstruments.com> From: Peter Nyboer Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 11:29:48 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:29:51 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-645569260 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Really, now, was "nyah-nyah" what this was about? One of the things I'm really HOPING for is a reduction in this kind of crap. I'm extremely relieved to have a change of pace from the last 8 years of Bush, but change isn't just flipping the coin, it's getting some new currency.... P. On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Rev Fever wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > >> Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! >> >> > > Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. > > Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out > there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it", > like all of the smug Rethug spit balls everywhere over here (and > their "talk" shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone ELSE do, > back when BushCo first got (haha) "elected". > > Also, as I seem to recall, the (haha) "landslide victory" and > "mandate" that Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED > over 12 years ago was something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY close to > that. Oh yeah! A real "mandate"! Hurray! > The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah blah blah...ad nauseam. > Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight. > > Check out the WIDE margin between Obama / Biden and McBane / The > Mooseburger Mom. BIG difference. > Seems to me like The People really HAVE spoken THIS time. Take your > own advice and "just get over it"... > > At least now we also won't be seeing much anymore of the pale and > bloodless face of that hideous Reptile that McLame is married to, > along with also not see much anymore of that Caribou Barbie cartoon > character as time goes by. > I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent animals from a > helicopter for 'sport'" > will begin to just fade...off...into...the...dust > bin...of...history. Good riddance. > > And, don't believe for a second that she is going to "donate" that > 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to "charity". > Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", prefer to HOLD > ONTO such tawdry "treasures". > > Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? Ha! > That'd be a laugh! > The poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least some > of their BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow > from their gamble that LOST, and lost BIG TIME. Har! > > Rev Fever > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ > > > --Apple-Mail-1-645569260 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Really, now, was "nyah-nyah" = what this was about? One of the things I'm really HOPING for is a = reduction in this kind of crap. =A0I'm extremely relieved to have a = change of pace from the last 8 years of Bush, but change isn't just = flipping the coin, it's getting some new = currency....

P.


On = Nov 5, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Rev Fever wrote:

=
On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote:

Praise tha lawd!=A0 Obama's "Evangelical" Act = must've worked!



Spoken like a = true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser.

Hey, = to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out there, THIS = time it is YOUR turn=A0to "just get over it",=A0
like all of = the smug=A0Rethug=A0spit balls everywhere over here (and their "talk" = shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone ELSE=A0do,=A0
back when = BushCo first got =A0(haha) "elected".

Also, as = I seem to recall,=A0the (haha)=A0"landslide victory" and "mandate" that = Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED=A0
over 12 years ago=A0was = something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY close to that. =A0Oh yeah! =A0 A real = "mandate"! =A0Hurray!
The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah = blah blah...ad nauseam. =A0Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight.

Check out the = WIDE margin between Obama / Biden and McBane / The Mooseburger Mom. =A0BIG= difference.=A0
Seems to me like=A0The People = really HAVE spoken THIS time. Take your own advice and "just get over = it"...

At least now we also won't be seeing = much anymore of the pale and bloodless face of that hideous =A0Reptile = that McLame is married to,=A0
along with also not see much = anymore of that Caribou Barbie cartoon character=A0as time goes by. = =A0=A0
I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent = animals from a helicopter for 'sport'"=A0
will begin to just = fade...off...into...the...dust bin...of...history. =A0 Good = riddance.

And, don't believe for a second that = she is going to "donate"=A0that 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to = "charity".
Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", = prefer to HOLD ONTO such tawdry = "treasures".=A0

Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND = that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? =A0Ha! =A0That'd be a laugh!
The = poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least some of their = BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow=A0
from their gamble that = LOST,=A0and lost BIG TIME. =A0Har!



= --Apple-Mail-1-645569260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:14:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64543BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3600 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:14:00 UTC Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:16:02 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Obama In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:14:00 +0000 (UTC) > If you hate it that much come live in a country where you don't > quite have the freedoms and rights you take for granted in the US. I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol > The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, > behaviourally. Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. > How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would > solve their gas bill problem? What's that? Nor this... > > So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed. > > Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000 > or 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic mistake. "theoristic"? > "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. Changes in economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for another. > > Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since > moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be > deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living > outside the US. It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay your mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or keep) healthcare, and a host of other things that matter in our day to day lives. By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure don't. Go fight your way against those people who are also (apparently) trying to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms which are already (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol Leave those of us who are grounded in reality back here in the US of A alone to celebrate our victory. Thanks! Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:23:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 234053BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:23:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Nov 2008 20:23:03 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=0qOTUyMLKUuhRmoD1pwQQjMZtrtu7FtnBlNsab5pIuMDqQUGF+j61aE4rp6wmrl9stIEHlINcZfAp2cnQhIILi52x3XT73hN2AcIpd9sM9EgcSdPZrPa4ufRkBum6m6ZW9sn1a5qfmWwvYfeNdIjOTsQMudi4Rckq2BsWC9Y5U8= ; X-YMail-OSG: UXs70VAVM1loAogmUlPr.U8XAbP4ANBxpSrNVy5Merz8gMnqKQEqF_F2PkWQkq.sxKQNEyj4T7cBm_omQ9NweqP7tTKc_dw00Uexw1V50S24WW8MAlYuz4IoVZAkPGYX_gDRll2YMLYhlGEB0IYq8XpVCYu_NHAmdjvs7l.y8h3VjP_iYYArU2BLUmc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002e01c93f83$66b6a000$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> <980DD7E3-3968-4AAC-B579-190313FD0523@lividinstruments.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:16:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93F83.66192780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <8AxldB.A.xfE.nCgEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:23:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93F83.66192780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I'd have made a much better president than either of them. :) Be = nice guys. No need to be so pissy. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Peter Nyboer=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Obama Really, now, was "nyah-nyah" what this was about? One of the things = I'm really HOPING for is a reduction in this kind of crap. I'm = extremely relieved to have a change of pace from the last 8 years of = Bush, but change isn't just flipping the coin, it's getting some new = currency.... P. On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Rev Fever wrote: On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out = there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it",=20 like all of the smug Rethug spit balls everywhere over here (and = their "talk" shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone ELSE do,=20 back when BushCo first got (haha) "elected". Also, as I seem to recall, the (haha) "landslide victory" and = "mandate" that Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED=20 over 12 years ago was something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY close to = that. Oh yeah! A real "mandate"! Hurray! The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah blah blah...ad nauseam. = Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight. Check out the WIDE margin between Obama / Biden and McBane / The = Mooseburger Mom. BIG difference.=20 Seems to me like The People really HAVE spoken THIS time. Take your = own advice and "just get over it"... At least now we also won't be seeing much anymore of the pale and = bloodless face of that hideous Reptile that McLame is married to,=20 along with also not see much anymore of that Caribou Barbie cartoon = character as time goes by. =20 I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent animals from a = helicopter for 'sport'"=20 will begin to just fade...off...into...the...dust = bin...of...history. Good riddance. And, don't believe for a second that she is going to "donate" that = 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to "charity". Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", prefer to HOLD = ONTO such tawdry "treasures".=20 Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? Ha! = That'd be a laugh! The poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least some = of their BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow=20 from their gamble that LOST, and lost BIG TIME. Har! Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: = 05/11/2008 07:17 ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93F83.66192780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I'd have made a much = better president=20 than either of them. :) Be nice guys. No need to be so = pissy.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Peter Nyboer
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2008 7:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: Obama

Really, now, was "nyah-nyah" what this was about? One = of the=20 things I'm really HOPING for is a reduction in this kind of crap. =  I'm=20 extremely relieved to have a change of pace from the last 8 years of = Bush, but=20 change isn't just flipping the coin, it's getting some new = currency....

P.


On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Rev Fever wrote:

On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote:
Praise tha lawd!  Obama's "Evangelical" = Act=20 must've worked!



Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser.

Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs = out=20 there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over = it", 
like all of the smug Rethug spit balls everywhere = over here=20 (and their "talk" shows scum) were DEMANDING everyone=20 ELSE do, 
back when BushCo first got  (haha) "elected".

Also, as I seem to recall, the (haha) "landslide = victory" and=20 "mandate" that Newt and the Rethugs CLAIMED 
over 12 years ago was something(?) like 52-48% , or VERY = close to=20 that.  Oh yeah!   A real "mandate"!  Hurray!
The PEOPLE "have spoken"! etc etc blah blah blah...ad nauseam.=20  Yeah. Uh-huh. Riiiight.

Check out the WIDE margin between Obama / = Biden and=20 McBane / The Mooseburger Mom.  BIG difference. 
Seems to me like The People really = HAVE spoken=20 THIS time. Take your own advice and "just get over it"...

At least now we also won't be seeing much anymore of the pale = and=20 bloodless face of that hideous  Reptile that McLame is married=20 to, 
along with also not see much anymore of that Caribou Barbie = cartoon=20 character as time goes by.   
I predict that "She who loves to murder innocent animals from a = helicopter for 'sport'" 
will begin to just fade...off...into...the...dust = bin...of...history.=20   Good riddance.

And, don't believe for a second that she is going to = "donate" that=20 1/4 million $$ wardrobe to "charity".
Greedy people like her, the former "MIss Wasilla", prefer to = HOLD ONTO=20 such tawdry "treasures". 

Or, maybe the RNC will DEMAND that she GIVE it ALL BACK!? =  Ha!=20  That'd be a laugh!
The poor ol' RNC is gonna have to start recuperating at least = some of=20 their BIG FINANCIAL LOSES somehow 
from their gamble that LOST, and lost BIG TIME. =  Har!

Rev Fever
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvf= ever/

=



=

No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.=20
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: = 05/11/2008=20 07:17
------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C93F83.66192780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:43:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8AA73BE85; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081105144333.owsmo36v9wo0g4c4@www.kliklak.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:43:33 -0600 From: jrploopers@kliklak.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama References: <20081105173038.E0FC23BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081105173038.E0FC23BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) > Nice rant. Now go and swallow a bratwurst! Thank you for your understanding, Mr. Treesong. You're welcome to visit get invited to a decent Bratwurst, although admittedly that is more a kind of touristic dish, mainly kept up (looping) to satisfy US-citizens during their first 'Europe in 5 days'-trip. :) Could anyone point me to a working download location of KaiserLooper? Jeff Kaiser's download page seems to be momentarily down. Thank you very much in advance. I recently worked on a kind of instant looping patch for max/msp myself, i'll post details as soon as there's anything final to talk about. jrp aircushionfinish.kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:44:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81D503BE91; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TFko46CmZct2FoNO2gsA:9 a=K71SN7Q38x14M0XGDXMA:7 a=bDODn1jPI0NHW9jDN6S6iTD9rw8A:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=jdgvYsZWKLVn6XGcmsoA:9 a=mWw9k49w4Td62ta92lkA:7 a=8LjSy12ydXErskh2lDLB4cWMo2kA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <6887813FDE2CCC4FA5FEF1D955205FA101D834E0@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <6887813FDE2CCC4FA5FEF1D955205FA101D834E0@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-650015195 Message-Id: <8D918349-661C-4360-AB36-C9A85F4CF6FE@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: (OT) Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 15:43:54 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:44:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-650015195 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I think he said that, and the person that typed it spelled it wrong. 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= --Apple-Mail-1-650015195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53D3D3BE97; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=PUbukNcRsgqq6YJ9NYHqA0bF0JQn4MnowpAQVm7B4aw=; b=xol6sOKTnpem+evEGZ8nQI+NzXhutrzOLl6KB3Q8HjrMiaijmLvDt1aw0hIg38pVot Etnp+dQhTDBI21XV8/G/1sBwFf1Spo2Jh5zjS66AqN5hLesPA6r8WAtxF284UVLv/syc 341WQFClsCW59aZaARw1ZhfSDzuW6z1L9uRwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=YKjox1yj8nAO7qcNf2MeoTMPyJG7cwHeqyJv7CrOHqaziiUt2cI/WeFSTysbK9WUzz MyreXwfB59GiBX/LLkllDW7hVmTJxbeR3DzBV8lYzwsfhGUGwZPsFuIlVd3G9X/i/Bnt hbXztC16x/oibpWSixM+d2bVI54/4qySqfE/U= Message-ID: <333287c30811051237i5e4bf3fv44a0b113f7cd8205@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 12:37:37 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16507_7227066.1225917457368" References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:44:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16507_7227066.1225917457368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've lived outside the US, and in it. I'm in it now and have been for awhile. US has freedom in some areas others don't. It doesn't in some areas where others do. Does anyone in any society have true freedom? Of course not, that's anarchy (i am placing no judgement positive or negative on anarchy, simply saying government and anarchy are directly opposing concepts). There's a lot wrong in this country (the US). There's a lot wrong in other countries. Why can't people stop arguing about who has it worse and put that energy into doing what they can? And since we're all election styled today.... I'm one of those swing voters. I always vote for measures, but very rarely for politicians (2 fuckers is not a choice). I did vote for Obama this year (almost just didn't vote, but fuckit, I'm not going to be that jaded), and no I'm not an obama zombie (god portland oregon has a lot of them. they act to him like the other side did to bush for years... man can do no wrong...) I figure getting a minority in office is good for the people and where their minds move. Getting someone a bit younger in office than usual is good for a fresher perspective (since the old one is clearly quite stale). And, if you believe what he says... and recognize he is only one small part of a big government organization (meaning he can try to do whatever, doesn't mean it will happen)... it could be okay. Not great. Not super change. Not jesus christ saviour that some are trying to say. Then again, I don't know if I believe what he says. I am willing to wait and see, though. And yes folks, the country is not in great shape, but it could very easily get worse. Still could. I'll take things day by day. Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happyhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humans PS: to those who say "shutup on life just talk loop"... I mean, come on... whether you live in the US or not, it's a big world issue, and we are all still humans, not just music makers. If it keeps dragging on day after day okay, yeah, guys... but the day after it happens? Is deleting emails so hard? If so, then get on gmail, any topics you don't like just stay grouped together into one email so you don't get constantly harassed. Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since moving to the > UK, every American should have the chance to be deprived of his liberties > and freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US. > > SP Goodman > * > http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman > http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata > > ------=_Part_16507_7227066.1225917457368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've lived outside the US, and in it.  I'm in it now and have = been for awhile.

US has freedom in some areas others don't. = ; It doesn't in some areas where others do.  Does anyone in any so= ciety have true freedom?  Of course not, that's anarchy (i am plac= ing no judgement positive or negative on anarchy, simply saying government = and anarchy are directly opposing concepts).

There's a lot wrong in this country (the US).  There's a l= ot wrong in other countries.

Why can't people stop arguing about= who has it worse and put that energy into doing what they can?

And = since we're all election styled today.... I'm one of those swing vo= ters.  I always vote for measures, but very rarely for politicians (2 = fuckers is not a choice).  I did vote for Obama this year (almost just= didn't vote, but fuckit, I'm not going to be that jaded), and no I= 'm not an obama zombie (god portland oregon has a lot of them.  th= ey act to him like the other side did to bush for years... man can do no wr= ong...)  I figure getting a minority in office is good for the people = and where their minds move.  Getting someone a bit younger in office t= han usual is good for a fresher perspective (since the old one is clearly q= uite stale).  And, if you believe what he says... and recognize he is = only one small part of a big government organization (meaning he can try to= do whatever, doesn't mean it will happen)... it could be okay.  N= ot great.  Not super change.  Not jesus christ saviour that some = are trying to say. 

Then again, I don't know if I believe what he says.  I am will= ing to wait and see, though. 

And yes folks, the country is no= t in great shape, but it could very easily get worse.  Still could.&nb= sp; I'll take things day by day.



Nevyn Nowhere
http://= www.happyhumans.org
Sad Music for Happy Humans

PS: to those w= ho say "shutup on life just talk loop"... I mean, come on... whet= her you live in the US or not, it's a big world issue, and we are all s= till humans, not just music makers.  If it keeps dragging on day after= day okay, yeah, guys... but the day after it happens?  Is deleting em= ails so hard?  If so, then get on gmail, any topics you don't like= just stay grouped together into one email so you don't get constantly = harassed.



Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh?  Like I sai= d many times since moving to the UK, every American should have the chance = to be deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living o= utside the US.

------=_Part_16507_7227066.1225917457368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:48:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75C343BE8C; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=EKWrCAeN5IJp4TnDJXNp6hrMHMTZrykfog7jDnAL+z4=; b=dy8BfN2MHmZlHXUGmgLKehjKsX7nDae3+G5bT01u4dxIcN/lPWhQgCgBqDu0+SS7cl wCAWhkdb+gHbHpaCUqbAZvRrWBUiNEAmSXATQdB0RuhBZBvBjIpkm5fnhGWWWMWA3blB dAgb72eumbdQkad9rJcDzXqmxe+KyuwDWSZvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=qKgjLqEcW8sPA+ucvLlih3vbPLDGwLxmbVwskg3IOgkz+7Et576b/RmVpZ83QGbi0d 21JD/LWGcpwwDv6CNwzbpHknSd5oNtbkTHebgu7IChhD294t25nQRCj/fC7xspwSJww4 yffSlhX2s4E3fLA2jX8Pt/BSzoxDCnkTSBU20= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811051248t427f96f7o9ec20b1bea250b05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:48:07 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16581_27185695.1225918087095" References: <20081105160414.5CDFD3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: fe7c44f2740de7b5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16581_27185695.1225918087095 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > jayrope / berlin > Dear Jayrope / berlin 1. get a gmail account, 2. redirect your mail to that account 3. sort your mail using actions and labels 4. add one that catches the letters OT 5. have it sent to your trash and voil=E1 no Off topic in your mailbox!!! Now the rest of us can relax, spreading happy jubilant, good wishes of excitement, and tentative optimism to our looping brothers cousins and friends in the US, who have had to live in this oppressive, illegal, dangerous, dictatorship for too long, and for whom we extend a loving hand of hope and respect to a country that we all thought had completely lost it= s sense of justice and sense. Apparently we were wrong, thank your God for that! One of the great things about the internet is that it brings one into contact with people of other cultures, races, and political beliefs... Loopers delight has been my ONE AND ONLY community that I have been a membe= r for about 10 years now. People come and go, but I still would like to echo (read loop) back our founder, Kims words from before (where IS he by the way, anyone seen him recently - I guess he is still paying for this list?) when he used to say, "You are all grown ups, moderate yourself!!! Mark //uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_16581_27185695.1225918087095 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

jayrope / berlin


Dear Jayrope / berlin

1. get a gmail accou= nt,
2. redirect your mail to that account
3. sort your mail using act= ions and labels
4. add one that catches the letters OT
5. have it sen= t to your trash
and
voil=E1
no Off topic in your mailbox!!!

Now the rest of us can relax, spreading happy jubilant, good wishes of excitement, and tentative optimism to our looping brothers cousins and friends in the US, who have had to live in this oppressive, illegal,  dangerous, dictatorship for too long, and for whom we extend a loving hand of hope and respect to a country that we all thought had completely lost its sense of justice and sense. Apparently we were wrong, thank your God for that!

One of the great things about the internet is that it brings one into contact with people of other cultures, races, and political beliefs... Loopers delight has been my ONE AND ONLY community that I have been a member for about 10 years now. People come and go, but I still would like to echo (read loop) back our founder, Kims words from before (where IS he by the way, anyone seen him recently - I guess he is still paying for this list?) when he used to say,
"You are all = grown ups, moderate yourself!!!

Mark


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www.looop.no ------=_Part_16581_27185695.1225918087095-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 20:54:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07833BE90; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081105145358.kk49ahuym84gk0o8@www.kliklak.net> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:53:58 -0600 From: jrploopers@kliklak.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama References: <20081105202304.960113BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081105202304.960113BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 20:54:11 +0000 (UTC) > I don't mean to be rude (really), but I'd love to hear a discussion > about German politics. Thank you for your understanding, Nick. It wasn't the simple fact of political discussion, rather the amount and especially the rude form of it. I'd be happy to point you to (English speaking i believe?) sources of German politics (this can eventually be as uninteresting as US politics ,-) The international section of teh German magazine Der Spiegel, to be found at http://www.spiegel.de/international/ might be a good source for you to start. If in need i'd help out with more tips in a further private conversation. Fell free to mail direectly, if that's needed. My Ibook G4 broke down some hours ago, so my answers might be lagging a bit until i bought a new one :) jrp myspace.com/touchdonttouch From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 21:02:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EDE93BE87; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:02:26 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C93F89.CE701090" X-Vipre-Scanned: 25B185D500094825B18722 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:02:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C93F89.CE701090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Obama On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out = there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it",=20 And, if your conduct in print is any evidence, unlike you we Republicans = will "get over it". You're still going on about the previous two = elections, and tell us to "get over it"? Thanks but not rising to you = any more. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C93F89.CE701090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2008 6:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Obama


On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote:
Praise tha lawd!  Obama's "Evangelical" = Act must've=20 worked!



Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser.

Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out = there,=20 THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it", 
 
And, if your conduct in print is any evidence, = unlike you we=20 Republicans will "get over it".  You're still going on about the = previous=20 two elections, and tell us to "get over it"?  Thanks but not rising = to you=20 any more.
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C93F89.CE701090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 21:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 435AF3BEA4; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5DABF02C293C4B19BDFE49CA9EE80834@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:07:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Vipre-Scanned: 25B63FDA00094825B64127 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:07:41 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jeff Shirkey" >> If you hate it that much come live in a country where you don't quite >> have the freedoms and rights you take for granted in the US. > > I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol You only academically know the difference, so it must be lost on yez. >> The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, >> behaviourally. > > Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. Think about it then. >> How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would solve >> their gas bill problem? What's that? > > Nor this... It was a response to something you said. Or have you forgotten already? Do your own research. >> >> So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? > > You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed. Not the same. You can be a doctor several times over and be brainwashed. Being a very smart person doesn't in itself prevent that person from being duped into such a state. >> >> Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000 or >> 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic mistake. > > "theoristic"? Academics rely on theories to describe the universe, more so when they never leave their offices. >> "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? > > The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. Changes in > economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for another. Imperialism? In which handbook did you get such a term? You use words with a cavalier disregard for their meaning. >> >> Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since moving to >> the UK, every American should have the chance to be deprived of his >> liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US. > > It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay your > mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or keep) healthcare, > and a host of other things that matter in our day to day lives. And you blame Republicans for all of the above? > By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure don't. > Go fight your way against those people who are also (apparently) trying > to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms which are already > (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol Leave those of us who are > grounded in reality back here in the US of A alone to celebrate our > victory. Thanks! You don't seem to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating One. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 21:35:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 314E33BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-653083028 Message-Id: <27EAEB17-3C46-47A4-871F-098633E3D4D3@ubergadget.com> From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:35:02 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:35:43 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-653083028 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:02 PM, SP Goodman wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rev Fever > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: Obama > > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > >> Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! >> >> > > Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. > > Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out > there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it", > > And, if your conduct in print is any evidence, (yawn!) > unlike you we Republicans will "get over it". The Proof of that will be in the Future Pudding. BTW, check out ANY Reich wing neoconartist "talk" show right now. They certainly do not sound like they are planning to "get over it" anytime soon. (or a lot later...) > You're still going on about the previous two elections, and tell us > to "get over it"? I am not the only one who is "going on" about the previous two "elections". So is the FBI, and other investigative offices and entities both at the Federal and State levels. My current and ongoing visualization is for arrests, convictions, and prison sentences of MANY Rethuglicans and their operatives who obviously DID pull some dirty (and illegal) tricks in the last two "elections". Once again, here is an excellent source: http://blackboxvoting.org/ (there are numerous others, as well...) > Thanks but not rising to you any more. "When the going gets 'tough', the 'tough' run away" (snicker!) Touche, MF! Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-4-653083028 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:02 PM, SP Goodman wrote:

=A0----- Original Message = -----
From:=A0Rev Fever
Sent:=A0Wednesday, November 05, 2008 = 6:58 PM
=A0Re: = Obama


On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP = Goodman wrote:

Praise tha lawd!=A0=A0Obama's "Evangelical" = Act must've worked!
=A0
And, if your conduct in print is any evidence, =

(yawn!)

=
unlike you = we Republicans will "get over it".=A0 =

The Proof of that will = be in the Future Pudding. =A0

BTW, check out = ANY Reich wing neoconartist "talk" show right now.=A0
They = certainly do not sound like they are planning to "get over it" anytime = soon. (or a lot later...)

You're still = going on about the previous two elections, and tell us to "get over = it"?=A0

I am not the only = one who is "going on" about the previous two "elections". So is the FBI, = and other investigative offices
and entities both at the = Federal and State levels. =A0My current and ongoing visualization is for = arrests, convictions, and prison sentences=A0
of MANY = Rethuglicans and their operatives who obviously DID pull some dirty (and = illegal) tricks in the last two = "elections".

Once again, here is an excellent = source:

(there are numerous others, as = well...)

Thanks but = not rising to you any = more.

"When the going = gets 'tough', the 'tough' run away" =A0 = (snicker!)

Touche, = MF!


= --Apple-Mail-4-653083028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 21:44:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08BA83BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-653574188 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 13:43:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:43:59 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5-653574188 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:50 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > Like I said many times since moving to the UK, every American > should have the chance to be deprived of his liberties and > freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US. > SP Goodman Er...exactly what "liberties and freedoms" are you being "deprived of" in the UK? Are you sure you are not living in Myanmar instead? (Or....?) Just curious. Also, if you left America 7 years ago, wouldn't that have been not long after Bush, "The Evil Clown Who Would Be King", was "elected"? Gee...I would have thought that ya would have preferred to have remained in the "Promised Land" of the newly minted neoconartist and "free" market dictatorship, and also after over 12 years of (haha) Rethuglican "leadership" (and control), rather than emigrate to some "sinister" country where you were being "deprived of" your "liberties and freedoms" that you previously enjoyed over here? BTW, that "crackling" sound that is being heard loudly over here are all of those Rethuglican brains short-circuiting in disbelief that they lost ,and lost BIG TIME. But, I guess they will also just once again blame it "all" on the Democrats....as usual. (yawn!) Zzzzzzzz... Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-5-653574188 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Nov 5, 2008, at 10:50 AM, SP Goodman = wrote:
=A0=A0Like I said many times = since moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be = deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living = outside the US.
SP = Goodman

Er...exactly what "liberties = and freedoms" are you being "deprived of" in the UK? =A0Are you sure you = are not living in Myanmar instead? =A0(Or....?) =A0=A0Just = curious.

Also, if you left America 7 years ago, = wouldn't that have been not long after Bush, "The Evil Clown Who Would = Be King", was "elected"?
Gee...I would have thought that ya = would have preferred to have remained in the "Promised Land" of the = newly minted neoconartist and "free" market dictatorship,
and = also after over 12 years of (haha) Rethuglican "leadership" (and = control),=A0rather than emigrate to some "sinister" country where=A0you = were =A0being "deprived of"=A0
your "liberties and freedoms" = that you previously enjoyed over here?

BTW, = that "crackling" sound that is being heard loudly over here are all of = those Rethuglican brains short-circuiting in disbelief that they lost = ,and lost BIG TIME.
But, I guess they will also just once = again blame it "all" on the Democrats....as usual. =A0 (yawn!) =A0 = =A0Zzzzzzzz...

Rev Fever

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Please reply to this email:MrsEstherBaraba@hotmail.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 22:33:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F1D03BE81; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=uuTYhkLq8svdySC8Z6MDW05JFTj5bBNq2EN4FmrnG88=; b=l8qAzcc0ij2D6ABogM2kXCbjjHSmJ6EI+sDA1NP4d33xm60oE14UBZ1YRR8rO6A5cY JqhlKZ2Zl9PtM6I8EIyiKZf66iAoRD3PbhfLUzEUQNTJ0vkJIHTCvWTseZmoineWhmkg s8WFiJC3wkQ88/J6Bgx7lXdPHP7DQTAWx/Cdw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=S+RVdfynVGvuBmo1Ygc5xqA+RRglCZegucwIuEWxeH/HYbeA2evVHgIHAWwp9nbV7k 5ZTd2LjNwqIqo5AcaHIdQL5/S+ZiWz+qlUjTCaX2cSOd/qg+KjDtL2yIz3KiOOebhoJc LQx6uucc7r6KNLApGr8q6KKrYHQUTrd3sWXg4= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 00:33:35 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Please stop this: OT Obama / unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811051248t427f96f7o9ec20b1bea250b05@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081105160414.5CDFD3BE8E@arsenic.violacea.com> <2B46F539-D34F-45F0-880A-0EFE7AE3DA4D@kliklak.net> <9ab0c76f0811051248t427f96f7o9ec20b1bea250b05@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:33:36 +0000 (UTC) > One of the great things about the internet is that it brings one into > contact with people of other cultures, races, and political beliefs... > Loopers delight has been my ONE AND ONLY community that I have been a member > for about 10 years now. People come and go, but I still would like to echo > (read loop) back our founder, Kims words from before (where IS he by the > way, anyone seen him recently - I guess he is still paying for this list?) > when he used to say, > "You are all grown ups, moderate yourselves I have said mentioned about being thankful for many of the OT topics that have come up during my time on this list. I did truly enjoy the last batch of ranting on about us politcs since i learned a few things i might not have bothered to look into but also because the fervour of the postings makes a rater pleasant contrast to the many very technical posts that pass through my inbox about gear that i dont have. Sometimes i feel as if im reading one of those many sound magazines that seam to say to one " you see this gear...you will never have this gear..cinical laugh" but its exciting stuff to the newbie electronic musician (a long time acoustic drummer feeling very strange in the land of software and laptp music making but getting there). This latest batch of rants however i most enjoyed very much. IT reminds me of a really good jung fu movie except in textual form SP Goodman is like JEt Lee at the end on 'the one' fighting off thousand of would be killers. Although seemingly the villian according to some....his moves are slick, his blocks swift and he always holds his ground. this makes for great viewing. While indeed, some posts have been rather rude by some, in all good kung fu movies you need those guys firing everybody up to get the scene started. perfectly in line with a good test of skills to follow. So...from south africa....i dont mind the rants....you guys are highly entertaining. whether you are discussing the most wiered loopy biz or Politcs. One day ill get my looping up to some form of presentability to join in more of the fun. Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 22:43:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5753BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:42:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ack/d3Q06dXgtsYgSEuaxRHx/Am8PwAG0LWA Message-Id: <20081105224307.0BF2B3BE78@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <35Y9FD.A.xP.7FiEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Forgive my butting into a published discussion, please... "If you hate it that much come live in a country where you don't quite have the freedoms and rights you take for granted in the US." You don't have to hate something to be mightily disturbed with it. American citizenship has been like watching a beautiful and beloved woman being tinted with turds for the last several years. How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would solve their gas bill problem? What's that?" It's just more clever sound-bite editing of out-of-context emotional responses for the sake of motivating one side of the electorate, much like the aggrandizement of the two Black Panthers standing in front of a Philadelphia polling place. '"Change"? What change precisely can you refer to?' How about allowing protestors to be seen by the president (or the end of 'free speech zones,' if you will)? How about media/press access to the president regardless of pro/con stance of the outlet? How about actually listening to veteran intelligence personnel on foreign policy, rather than dumping those who don't fit the 'micro-loyalty' protocol? (see http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/020508b.html ) Just for starters... "Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh?" It depends upon one's definition of 'AWFUL,' I suppose. For me, it's been similar to standing by while a musical comrade of great talent and promise takes up a serious meth habit, regardless of my protests. "Like I said many times since moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US." I fully agree. With respect, dave From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 5 23:14:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CF953BE84; Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Z0A13IN7JHSi66rq0c8A:9 a=nZM98vhYJy3oDyI84fPxFDlsOUEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <20081105224307.0BF2B3BE78@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081105224307.0BF2B3BE78@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BDF1B06-AABB-4A09-80D0-A29937FDE5C0@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 18:14:48 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:14:57 +0000 (UTC) I have been bitching about bush for 8 years now. If conservatives want to bitch about Obama, it's only fair. That said, I am very relieved that we now have a President that can construct whole sentences all by himself. That alone is reason to celebrate. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 01:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBE5E3BE7E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <8E4D8869C24145D79ACEC66BE381389D@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> <27EAEB17-3C46-47A4-871F-098633E3D4D3@ubergadget.com> Subject: Re: Obama Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:10:07 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C93FAC.68785090" X-Vipre-Scanned: 269449D500094926944B22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <2zmCyB.A.nJD.3PkEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:10:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C93FAC.68785090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Mr Black Helicopters, it's after midnight. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: Re: Obama On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:02 PM, SP Goodman wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Rev Fever To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: Obama On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out = there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it",=20 And, if your conduct in print is any evidence,=20 (yawn!) unlike you we Republicans will "get over it". =20 The Proof of that will be in the Future Pudding. =20 BTW, check out ANY Reich wing neoconartist "talk" show right now.=20 They certainly do not sound like they are planning to "get over it" = anytime soon. (or a lot later...) You're still going on about the previous two elections, and tell us = to "get over it"?=20 I am not the only one who is "going on" about the previous two = "elections". So is the FBI, and other investigative offices and entities both at the Federal and State levels. My current and = ongoing visualization is for arrests, convictions, and prison sentences=20 of MANY Rethuglicans and their operatives who obviously DID pull some = dirty (and illegal) tricks in the last two "elections". Once again, here is an excellent source: http://blackboxvoting.org/ (there are numerous others, as well...) Thanks but not rising to you any more. "When the going gets 'tough', the 'tough' run away" (snicker!) Touche, MF! Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C93FAC.68785090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Mr Black Helicopters, it's after = midnight.
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rev=20 Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2008 9:35=20 PM
Subject: Re: Obama


On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:02 PM, SP Goodman wrote:
 ----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: Rev Fever
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, = 2008 6:58=20 PM
Subject: Re: Obama


On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote:
Praise tha lawd!  Obama's = "Evangelical"=20 Act must've worked!



Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser.

Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs = out=20 there, THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over = it", 
 
And, if your conduct in print is any evidence,=20

(yawn!)

unlike you we Republicans will "get over = it". =20

The Proof of that will be in the Future Pudding. =  

BTW, check out ANY Reich wing neoconartist "talk" show right=20 now. 
They certainly do not sound like they are planning to "get over = it"=20 anytime soon. (or a lot later...)

You're still going on about the previous two = elections,=20 and tell us to "get over it"? 

I am not the only one who is "going on" about the = previous two=20 "elections". So is the FBI, and other investigative offices
and entities both at the Federal and State levels.  My = current and=20 ongoing visualization is for arrests, convictions, and prison=20 sentences 
of MANY Rethuglicans and their operatives who obviously DID pull = some=20 dirty (and illegal) tricks in the last two "elections".

Once again, here is an excellent source:

(there are numerous others, as well...)

Thanks but not rising to you any=20 more.

"When the going gets 'tough', the 'tough' run away" =  =20 (snicker!)

Touche, MF!

Rev Fever
http://www.spiritone.com/~rvf= ever/

------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C93FAC.68785090-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 01:16:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D183BE87; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=BnQIjaLQaskywnbkc7egzhb8nxf0Y4UN2x/zoSrQ38A=; b=EPPKw9KmjEAClz+unukGJqBvovmzG25PTcoExZm7tmbzGbwfw6p4NXnegwldW+EcDh 6dH6rorZ6FWcp63IIuEiiXkmCuuwB00KqQQCqXJPvSNlpiUATtO7klaciHO49TCHh6BX jq0J2byhtGG5X03+xfflR65ErKbE5cmYMIiJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nYNdtTFCbSWcReUJjSz3pL3mnZ7z4EiRioB7IURiy7NniXpoE1eNkDLqGO3xR3EikU nilio4rU4wx+p0RJmXDpBdVbCoINl2qxuMgjdelb2xvoA4m2Yh4eCskl1ZGzO+8KiERi VPXXFzE8Sijz7eiivqcsb/hIguhJd5aa2TMDw= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:16:50 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Obama In-Reply-To: <8E4D8869C24145D79ACEC66BE381389D@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7A56AF40B79B42AB9A1104B5E8F875C3@williamsteed> <9e0440a60811042147v4560cc5n64beb8f11af70075@mail.gmail.com> <70DD553A302A4D9FBCFAD257F31D24DC@eluk1> <3F44EE16-2731-49E9-9543-68BBB6DDA3C6@ubergadget.com> <27EAEB17-3C46-47A4-871F-098633E3D4D3@ubergadget.com> <8E4D8869C24145D79ACEC66BE381389D@eluk1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 32abe78f8936c0bd Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:16:52 +0000 (UTC) The level of discourse in this topic seems to have dropped exponentially since the topic began. Abysmal communication failures such as ">>The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, behaviourally. >Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. Think about it then." indicate it's time to retire the topic. Let's do so. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:10 PM, SP Goodman wrote: > Sorry Mr Black Helicopters, it's after midnight. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rev Fever > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:35 PM > Subject: Re: Obama > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:02 PM, SP Goodman wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Rev Fever > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:58 PM > Subject: Re: Obama > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 1:20 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > > Praise tha lawd! Obama's "Evangelical" Act must've worked! > > > Spoken like a true Reich wing neoconartist sore loser. > Hey, to you and to all of the other neoconartists and Rethugs out there, > THIS time it is YOUR turn to "just get over it", > > > And, if your conduct in print is any evidence, > > (yawn!) > > unlike you we Republicans will "get over it". > > The Proof of that will be in the Future Pudding. > BTW, check out ANY Reich wing neoconartist "talk" show right now. > They certainly do not sound like they are planning to "get over it" anytime > soon. (or a lot later...) > > You're still going on about the previous two elections, and tell us to "get > over it"? > > I am not the only one who is "going on" about the previous two "elections". > So is the FBI, and other investigative offices > and entities both at the Federal and State levels. My current and ongoing > visualization is for arrests, convictions, and prison sentences > of MANY Rethuglicans and their operatives who obviously DID pull some dirty > (and illegal) tricks in the last two "elections". > Once again, here is an excellent source: > http://blackboxvoting.org/ > (there are numerous others, as well...) > > Thanks but not rising to you any more. > > "When the going gets 'tough', the 'tough' run away" (snicker!) > Touche, MF! > Rev Fever > http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 01:17:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 410F73BE8C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Obama Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 17:17:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3E49B4D2FE88497AB9E9D415438DD72D@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0088_01C93F6A.6F2FB2D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: Ack/rXoQzvtVyJFLQ92K3pe49IiV4g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:17:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C93F6A.6F2FB2D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list, I guess it might have been me who started this OT political mud wrestling/ Insult-athon, if so my apologies, I was just very elated to see Obama win the election. When SP responded and I read it first thing this morning, not the best of times to have one's party goggles fogged, I got pissed off. I responded to him off list, like a good LD member should, and proceeded to verbally joust and trade insults with him instead of doing what I should have been doing, enjoying the morning newspaper and my lovely wife. Silly me, I would like to encourage people to take this off list, and I'm sorry for stirring up the dust. As for you SP, you are in my junk mail folder, because I don't really want to converse with you any longer on this topic. Now can we get back to topics we haven't covered in a while, like the hardware versus software issue :-) Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0088_01C93F6A.6F2FB2D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear list, I guess it might have been me who started = this OT political mud wrestling/ Insult-athon, if so my apologies, I was just = very elated to see Obama win the election. When SP responded and I read it = first thing this morning, not the best of times to have one’s party = goggles fogged, I got pissed off. I responded to him off list, like a good LD = member should, and proceeded to verbally joust and trade insults with him = instead of doing what I should have been doing, enjoying the morning newspaper and = my lovely wife. Silly me, I would like to encourage people to take this off = list, and I’m sorry for stirring up the dust. As for you SP, you are in = my junk mail folder, because I don’t really want to converse with you any = longer on this topic. Now can we get back to topics we haven’t covered in = a while, like the hardware versus software issue J

Thanks

Bill

 

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= --_497cae04-a088-463d-b799-c75c628c24a4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 01:49:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C2483BE7C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:51:56 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Obama In-reply-to: <5DABF02C293C4B19BDFE49CA9EE80834@eluk1> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> <5DABF02C293C4B19BDFE49CA9EE80834@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: <2GAZOB.A.KUE.Z0kEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 01:49:13 +0000 (UTC) >> >> I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol > > You only academically know the difference, so it must be lost on yez. Um...yeah. moving right along... > >>> The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, >>> behaviourally. >> >> Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. > > Think about it then. I can't take time to pour over the meaningless utterance you gave us above. It makes *no sense* as written. I see this kind of thing all the time in student papers, however. I'm afraid I'd have to take a few points off under "mechanics" in my grading rubric. I would be kind and just write "vague" in the margins, though. :) > >>> How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would >>> solve their gas bill problem? What's that? >> >> Nor this... > > It was a response to something you said. Or have you forgotten > already? Do your own research. I never said anything about Obama, crying supporters and gas (petrol? or heating?) bills. I'm quite sure of that. > >>> >>> So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? >> >> You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed. > > Not the same. You can be a doctor several times over and be > brainwashed. Being a very smart person doesn't in itself prevent > that person from being duped into such a state. Yeah, ok. I have a Ph.D from the University of Chicago. I'm a college professor. I teach people how to think for a living. But, sure, I'm brainwashed because some moron who lives in the "oppressive" (!), liberty-depriving (!) United Kingdom says so. > >>> >>> Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the >>> 2000 or 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic >>> mistake. >> >> "theoristic"? > > Academics rely on theories to describe the universe, more so when > they never leave their offices. You're a simpleton if you believe academics naively "describe the universe" (umm...it's more complicated than that, but subtlety and complexity are usually lost on right wingers from my experience). Second, we leave our offices all the time. You, on the other hand, might try picking up a book. But, all of that aside, "theoristic" isn't a word, Mr. Webster. Maybe you meant "theoretical" (for those of us who have some command of the English language)? > >>> "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? >> >> The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. >> Changes in economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for >> another. > > Imperialism? In which handbook did you get such a term? You use > words with a cavalier disregard for their meaning. I suggest *you* go look it up and study its history. For starters, read Edward Said's "Orientalism". I don't have time to dust off my bibliographies and give you citations out the wazoo...but that's a good place to start. > >>> >>> Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since >>> moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be >>> deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of >>> living outside the US. >> >> It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay >> your mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or >> keep) healthcare, and a host of other things that matter in our >> day to day lives. > > And you blame Republicans for all of the above? There's a lot of blame to go around. Republicans have to take the lion's share. They've led us down this path. > >> By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure >> don't. Go fight your way against those people who are also >> (apparently) trying to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms >> which are already (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol >> Leave those of us who are grounded in reality back here in the US >> of A alone to celebrate our victory. Thanks! > > You don't seem to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating One. Nor you. And thanks for the honorific title. I do prefer Dr. Celebrating One, however. I'm with Bill (Walker) on this one. This is a joyous, incredibly important moment in American history. I'm thrilled to have witnessed it. It's a monumental, watershed moment for African Americans as well, and I'm overjoyed when I see black college students in tears dancing in the street. And if you don't like it...if you don't sense the importance of this moment...well, you've got a very dark soul, and I'd say you're probably a miserable person. That's about the end of it for me. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 02:18:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EE0C3BE85; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dsNuIJblss4PeECSUdVQTW97qGNFIhiQZHFp8nqNjvg=; b=ABenNBk1LAY1vbfwN2M6GaNHjQ5FovxsMESr+Eb3GHfMjS6SGdV0DHyz4cMDhag+jt 27526KRX9JDbhgnYs5DFjBk9bUcWIuqSjZ0pGN4rcA/GI7FCCGFgDl3ydLDmw+R0xzB0 7RLMV2+BqMR8z6aZ90CGI7pj82QLvh3/+Z47g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fyrlgD/y8nwaPf3cIPGf1aBMfaILomCMzjMR1yODIGePV01Xiu3MhiUhPUQGaDdZRc yfSj/dR/ibTrR+WIbduhsdSQ3f9Ub4+CrvhWJmyHpQVYLzwB3bKC6Jt95U1vIRhJEzeG vwLhi/UWTbMBgy/bntl3ykI6xeXkhvt6s7fL8= Message-ID: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 21:18:27 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10761_4992074.1225937907553" References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:18:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10761_4992074.1225937907553 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The rigorous academic definition: One is expected to understand the history of the subject so they can move forward without repeating other's "experiments" or work. Of course each new "original" work makes this task increasingly difficult until you're left with increasingly smaller niches from which to mine your ideas. Personal experimentation is really fun and certainly can help one grow, but it may or may not break new ground for the body of work in your field. Doesn't sound as fun anymore, does it? 8-) Really, most of these labels are just convenient ways to attract an audience. -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_10761_4992074.1225937907553 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The rigorous academic definition: One is expected to understand the history of the subject so they can move forward without repeating other's "experiments" or work.  Of course each new "original" work makes this task increasingly difficult until you're left with increasingly smaller niches from which to mine your ideas.

Personal experimentation is really fun and certainly can help one grow, but it may or may not break new ground for the body of work in your field.

Doesn't sound as fun anymore, does it?  8-)  Really, most of these labels are just convenient ways to attract an audience.

--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!"
------=_Part_10761_4992074.1225937907553-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 03:01:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54E223BE7E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:00:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Believe me, I' no label-nazi . . . honest! Nor am I especially academic (although I was once the President of the=20= L.A. chapter of SEAMUS). I'm only partly "experimental" on certain occasions and in certain=20 company (or at certain venues) . . . or when it suits me. Ant that really isn't al that often. Mostly my music is an electronic wild-eyed howl at the moon . . . truth=20= be told (heheh). And at heart . . . I'm actually a "folkie" . . . just one from a=20 different planet and/or dimention. But I wrote what I did earlier because a lot of us seem to=20 think/act/talk exactly like I described in my previous email. 1) I've got a guitar, an eBow and/or a looper and a (latest effect of=20 the month) . . . so I must be an experimental musician . . . or 2) I only play improvised music (make it up as I go along) . . . so I=20 must be an experimental musician . . . or (heheh) 3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an=20 experimental musician. See what I mean? I've been guilty of it myself at various times in my musical journey=20 (oftener than I care to admit). Geeze, I bought my first eBow in 1980 (one of the old chrome jobbers). And any device that has been around for 28 years is not all that=20 cutting-edge. Cheers, tEd =AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Mikkoz wrote: > Personal experimentation is really fun and certainly can help one=20 > grow, but it may or may not break new ground for the body of work in=20= > your field. > > Doesn't sound as fun anymore, does it?=A0 8-)=A0 Really, most of these=20= > labels are just convenient ways to attract an audience.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 03:18:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10B663BE8B; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:18:46 -0800 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:18:48 +0000 (UTC) Finally, a discussion today I dare to comment upon! "Experimental", I think, is simply an attitude one brings to playing/composing/recording. If the goal is to genuinely try out something new that you have not done before, I call that experimenting, hence experimental. As to whether it breaks new ground in the context of history and one's present peers, well, that'd be a big research project on its own after every session. And pointless, ultimately. To do something truly unheard before with, say, a guitar, you'd pretty much be prohibited from laying fingers on the fingerboard, or even putting strings on it for that matter. But if you approach your instrument with the sincere attitude of creating something that you haven't created before, and that isn't directly a copy of something you've heard, I think that not only are you experimenting, but it will truly be an expression of your self, hence unique. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 03:44:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60BCC3BE85; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <2c8a1fa1fd35415585f7e94f6389f68e@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:43:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Too true. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:18 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > To do something truly unheard before with, say, a guitar, you'd pretty=20= > much be prohibited from laying fingers on the fingerboard, or even=20 > putting strings on it for that matter.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 03:55:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 935383BE85; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:55:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=HSb+YPwVhiMGA7qyM+fLFsaM22B6vfc7Ex+w8qqXAwXvrygPOugY7gM0H1VWxtv7tw4gI/5TD7ZTqva/l1vE4sdVwFeNnfGWyMI3YKOIVb+hbgXfuvYbJ72JT9w/Zed4G7X9jFrdzu9uLSYD+pUG8ViX8+IkUW5zY3Bb9PjVc/U=; X-YMail-OSG: .7iiv5oVM1m_RJFsnfBtopX2aYOp33.cUTPNEFV0LecREj5SsiWLUNsLnLLK6s3IO5Hfkc7DHtHTM.h1W_EG0rkLfLDIJaRiJCmW6XrFBHMnZfShvP0G0W._u4Y6SwtPqh6bGThmJbMc1YrKJqrnaMEPFdKmFgYpz4H188TKJ_zx_mJ1VWavkaOOGwKE X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:55:00 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: loop listenings...nemoguitar review/lexicon mx200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081106031849.6341D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1627319917-1225943700=:92071" Message-ID: <626793.92071.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 03:55:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-1627319917-1225943700=:92071 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable just a note: that i decided to do a few new reviews on my myspace page (www= .myspace.com/scotthansen)... i reviewed 2 of michael Klobuchar's cds i've traded w/ him in the past (i w= as past due, took me a few months to get back on review track), it's on my = blog space there... boy i miss the days of cd trading through snail mail, but i haven't sat dow= n and done much recording as of late.... been listening to a lot of nemoguitars stuff, some great things coming from= him... Also recently listened to Krispen Hartung=92s =93Fragments=94, that one sti= ll blows my mind that it=92s live at coffee houses, etc, never hear that st= uff in coffee houses around here=85.Just some great sounds=85 and this week i just got a used lexicon mx200...i had been missing the use = of good reverb in my mix, boy, loving the sounds from that thing. played w/= the tape delay last night, reminded me of the lexicon pcm manipulations of= david torn a bit, just can get whacky sounds out of it...probably should r= ecord it i guess.... i put away my behringer tweakalizer to make room for the lex mx200 rack thi= ng, space was a premium on my desk setup...a few weeks ago, was also playin= g w/ my rocktron silver dragon tube preamp=A0thing, liked it at first, stil= l debating the tube vs. digital thing, sometimes i thought it sounded great= , other times it didn't to my ear...don't know....oh well, happy looping... s---- =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-1627319917-1225943700=:92071 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A=0A --0-1627319917-1225943700=:92071-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 04:31:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701B03BE8B; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225945860; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=kdUFJZ0BjBVLHdhn2JOgHzMH7+U=; b=DdXqncJ6vjZZaK5dnaHbX1eBuaRWBAk7dpB7nCU3Ri+2z/dQ25A4BhiyL2zp3mNe 4ImtZzoQLpYdBi11WyblTsY8QcbabAFUNR1p/AkxRnau4szPwkzXNRo3afillDuV; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=BET-bg9CbCC_4_Ss-ywA:9 a=l6l7sZwmdJSYqon_KYkA:7 a=X2JJPMvqXqDKahcUav-RconXL_EA:4 a=2uiCRmbCp6AA:10 a=XTFSZbaEEoTRZtyXIr4A:9 a=J_PjK8p3ieih2G8zc_8A:7 a=2PQogObTFNi-ZGYme-W3UuedbcIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <008201c93fc8$7891a5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 23:30:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01C93F9E.8ECD1F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 04:31:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C93F9E.8ECD1F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn on Vimeo? = http://www.vimeo.com/1580384 it rocks! I really want to get the cd but its on I Tunes only. I just don't like = having to download a special program and go through all the bs with = them. i might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it again. I never = completly got rid of it and quicktime the last time. It really digs in. Or is it just me. I know some of ya'll use I this and I that so tell me = why I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just seems to be a pushy = outfit. Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life somehow. ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 megs, whats up with that? i like CD = baby or Amazon. someone call me a wambulance! And this, just to buy a cd, Ok a 10 min install including quick time which I hate and just got rid = of. Then set up my account, buy the cd, slow download and it didn't even = offer me a choice where I wanted to put it, or tell the progress on the = download. Listening now, real warped out stuff, reminds me of Splattercell, Which = is not suprising. I like it! thanks for holding my hand through this my friends, now to see what = damage its done to my setup and try to undo it. J ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C93F9E.8ECD1F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn on = Vimeo?  http://www.vimeo.com/1580384&nb= sp;it=20 rocks!
I really want to get the cd but its on = I Tunes=20 only. I just don't like having to download a special program and go = through all=20 the bs with them. i might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it again. I = never=20 completly got rid of it and quicktime the last time. It really digs=20 in.
 
Or is it just me. I know some of ya'll = use I this=20 and I that so tell me why I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just = seems to=20 be a pushy outfit. Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life=20 somehow.
 
ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 = megs, whats up=20 with that? i like CD baby or Amazon. someone call me a = wambulance!
 
And this, just to buy a = cd,
 
Ok a 10 min install including quick = time which I=20 hate and just got rid of. Then set up my account, buy the cd, = slow=20 download and it didn't even offer me a choice where I wanted to put it, = or tell=20 the progress on the download.
 
Listening now, real warped out stuff, = reminds me of=20 Splattercell, Which is not suprising. I like it!
 
thanks for holding my hand through this = my friends,=20 now to see what damage its done to my setup and try to undo = it.
 
 
J
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C93F9E.8ECD1F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 08:54:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3672D3BE7C; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 103326264/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.251.148/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.251.148 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Au8AAHg/EklPTvuU/2dsb2JhbAAIyVCDVYNC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,556,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="103326264" Message-ID: <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:56:57 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5z67U.A.6XF.xCrEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > To do > something truly unheard before with, say, a guitar, you'd pretty much be > prohibited from laying fingers on the fingerboard, or even putting > strings on it for that matter. Respectfully, I disagree with that. There's lot's of ways in which a piece of music could be different to what has gone before, many of them possible using standard timbres. 1) Rhythm, there's plenty of unexplored concepts there. 2) Melody, doesn't have known boundaries, not understood through any theory 3) Has every technique for changing the sound of a regular note played on guitar been found yet? 4) While it may be true that "every harmony has been tried", by combining using harmony with different timbres, and over different rhythms I'm sure it's possible to create something unexpected. ..and so on :-) ..but I agree with the following:- > But if you approach your instrument with > the sincere attitude of creating something that you haven't created > before, and that isn't directly a copy of something you've heard, I > think that not only are you experimenting, but it will truly be an > expression of your self, hence unique. > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 10:17:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 89F263BE80; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=X1ge6vjfYIFnQIDQB/MJiZ5OiP5vzlaPzMyNw7nZMQ0=; b=i3nOS8ks7OJGYhYAchB4P8rk0PHHENT3QBU087QupE6z6XzhOMFs6bpuePtEY+G8eq Q4+uTuphtroaikREqeGBCTDgGnv1eUH5c7/OQkSDdhPBihTUVrpY2vBDgZvuiQ6bvCtY oxxQB7gDobWFBnTEzgVaiI9JbLpfZ3IoMPBGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=GFO3YucWM/pDgqICJhbrYCQOKo1Sp2/Vwx9W38OUAH8YOWODkXwDTG6Xu+qTV6k/l/ NQgeeWzXGV9ZMqi4XxQhDWz/bBugknGPfA+fqoY5wIJtDNUYd8//y3wfkfx8llaqWh8D 7ZCfN61bXVSOHLh+VHCzop5kSU4RVjrj+MZQs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:17:01 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo In-Reply-To: <008201c93fc8$7891a5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <008201c93fc8$7891a5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c925f71de76d46b0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:17:02 +0000 (UTC) well, quicktime for windows is a giant piece of crud, but just uninstalling it gets rid of most of the crud. itunes, however, was always a pretty painless uninstall for me on windows. does itunes FORCE you to install quicktime with it now? it didn't in the past, and i'd always opt out. you could always find his address and mail him 10 bucks then 'steal' the album. I actually was able to do that with a couple of lesser known artists I found, since I refuse to download DRM'd music. I've never really found itunes any more invasive than any other windows software. I mean, it plays music, lets you download songs, and syncs your ipod. thats all it's meant for and all it really does. quicktime is another matter, but i never had an issue with itunes on windows. it downloads files to your music directory which you choose (or leave as default), and there is a downloads section of the store that appears when you have downloads going. it doesn't ask you where to put the music because most users aren't smart enough to keep their music in one folder (no, really). On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn on Vimeo? > http://www.vimeo.com/1580384 it rocks! > I really want to get the cd but its on I Tunes only. I just don't like > having to download a special program and go through all the bs with them. i > might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it again. I never completly got rid > of it and quicktime the last time. It really digs in. > > Or is it just me. I know some of ya'll use I this and I that so tell me why > I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just seems to be a pushy outfit. > Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life somehow. > > ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 megs, whats up with that? i like CD baby > or Amazon. someone call me a wambulance! > > And this, just to buy a cd, > > Ok a 10 min install including quick time which I hate and just got rid of. > Then set up my account, buy the cd, slow download and it didn't even offer > me a choice where I wanted to put it, or tell the progress on the download. > > Listening now, real warped out stuff, reminds me of Splattercell, Which is > not suprising. I like it! > > thanks for holding my hand through this my friends, now to see what damage > its done to my setup and try to undo it. > > > J > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 10:24:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80F23BE8E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:24:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=sv8Ucnp/QR0D3x35fhdn5PYASt0j/FHY/Md3D2ypq+5k4dThbDyIfxqZLUS5R944b0Mr81LUM23MvrrqxrZ2PosoQ1D+1g28Bu2zlfhob/+p+Tsg73MAxfpwHLqzjgA91bsojdOw0HR4WKruSU7xC7Puxjd2ks0rtNPvF8WQl8U= ; X-YMail-OSG: 7UH2IU0VM1krr_ID9ws5QK73l0BUZ1pLQMR.OY.ULdTKBhXKXwrTOU95tKSawMrJ..1sfxeWQ7A7k47ll_43liWmVXebBTcHI9ql1yYODc2DKCqIvE3kZ0CcBzjmEWWfRpgdd5.g1Cfi4Yb0_EoPwp6avV8c6wOq9xEQpNlkSIS3rLbGQy7Nn0290II- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000c01c93ff9$dc0520e0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <008201c93fc8$7891a5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:24:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C93FF9.DB597790" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <_L_v9.A.ZVH.VXsEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:24:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C93FF9.DB597790 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is one class bass sound. Lovely stuff! Must keep an eye out for the = album. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn on Vimeo? = http://www.vimeo.com/1580384 it rocks! I really want to get the cd but its on I Tunes only. I just don't like = having to download a special program and go through all the bs with = them. i might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it again. I never = completly got rid of it and quicktime the last time. It really digs in. Or is it just me. I know some of ya'll use I this and I that so tell = me why I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just seems to be a pushy = outfit. Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life somehow. ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 megs, whats up with that? i like CD = baby or Amazon. someone call me a wambulance! And this, just to buy a cd, Ok a 10 min install including quick time which I hate and just got rid = of. Then set up my account, buy the cd, slow download and it didn't even = offer me a choice where I wanted to put it, or tell the progress on the = download. Listening now, real warped out stuff, reminds me of Splattercell, = Which is not suprising. I like it! thanks for holding my hand through this my friends, now to see what = damage its done to my setup and try to undo it. J -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.6/1769 - Release Date: = 05/11/2008 07:17 ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C93FF9.DB597790 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That is one class bass sound. Lovely = stuff! Must=20 keep an eye out for the album.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jeff=20 Duke
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Thursday, November 06, = 2008 4:30=20 AM
Subject: Elijah B Torn on = Vimeo

Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn = on=20 Vimeo?  http://www.vimeo.com/1580384&nb= sp;it=20 rocks!
I really want to get the cd but its = on I Tunes=20 only. I just don't like having to download a special program and go = through=20 all the bs with them. i might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it = again. I=20 never completly got rid of it and quicktime the last time. It really = digs=20 in.
 
Or is it just me. I know some of = ya'll use I this=20 and I that so tell me why I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just = seems=20 to be a pushy outfit. Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life = somehow.
 
ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 = megs, whats up=20 with that? i like CD baby or Amazon. someone call me a=20 wambulance!
 
And this, just to buy a = cd,
 
Ok a 10 min install including quick = time which I=20 hate and just got rid of. Then set up my account, buy the = cd, slow=20 download and it didn't even offer me a choice where I wanted to put = it, or=20 tell the progress on the download.
 
Listening now, real warped out stuff, = reminds me=20 of Splattercell, Which is not suprising. I like it!
 
thanks for holding my hand through = this my=20 friends, now to see what damage its done to my setup and try to undo=20 it.
 
 
J
 
 

No virus found in this incoming message.
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C93FF9.DB597790-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 10:35:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A68E3BE8B; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: Subject: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:34:02 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 2898908500094B289891D2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:35:04 +0000 (UTC) Not to discuss the O-man situation after midnight was the rule, but B Walker's representation of the facts is a bit skewed. Debate requires a two-way discourse, but William did not really do anything but throw poo via an initial email, not responding to anything I actually said in return, before telling me not to contact him again. Standard hit-and-run routine. I didn't think Demos would start the hands-on-ears-la-la-la routine this early. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 10:54:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B1263BE98; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Go9j7JA5uPF87bfr4Y723myImmpO+n5LH3W2AFeV9LM=; b=bt71yW0jn9pVTTFXpUOx386YBignsfEKjV/qyYS35NpV/8v3WHnw6GI1IBvyQaPFCZ cG3sdbn7pZbI9M9gH+qftQNMPm3CnxOiBAcKYZ3EKVkRq+fV1RXLZAP1R/mfmAGGDGyU NdTzWI9+x95oPpm46WMfe1YvT5GNElQuWL0JE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rHG9TWGDKsPzGx55GlVJh9fnLkbNl5N3Ek5kRj7PzxZTxQt2CIYHaWuJZANxN+9AlV RI0ON9zBDyX2nmqUFHp8kh1H6sd2jIcFY9Wm+5ATcmCLFsling8qw8u33dxkSDHOdCsR Ul83++wWaZXJzgmklEbs4gzWIx/10/xQmUiKk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 02:54:20 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In-Reply-To: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d7f0fafc5b3ed1a2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:54:21 +0000 (UTC) I don't want here it. I don't want to see another off-topic thread [without an OT label I might add! thanks for fooling my filter] about it. stop please. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:34 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > Not to discuss the O-man situation after midnight was the rule, but B > Walker's representation of the facts is a bit skewed. Debate requires a > two-way discourse, but William did not really do anything but throw poo via > an initial email, not responding to anything I actually said in return, > before telling me not to contact him again. Standard hit-and-run routine. I > didn't think Demos would start the hands-on-ears-la-la-la routine this > early. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 11:49:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 763363BE95; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:45:23 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4912D8D3.6070307@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:49:09 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special Focus on Awakenings, a concert series in the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk one from "Awakenings 2006 Volume 1" on AmbientLive Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#oct Become a friend of Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 8 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST / GMT-5 / ITZ-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 11:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA2933BEA4; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4912DBEC.7070909@dehnhard.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:58:36 +0100 From: Tilmann Dehnhard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: pretty simple moebus question References: <9ab0c76f0810260100q2f9c022ct4390783a1b106d90@mail.gmail.com> <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18A7tleXZbF6gFTEZIXkv2uxP/0+AeY531RAEz ou8BbpysmJ//DdZ/JOQSBFArHoMfGrOlEF6kBe1vAsAAm66Og5 I+iRbRLWxJGrwlPerJ0UIMvTHPg+0qY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:56:49 +0000 (UTC) i might have asked this before and it will be in the manual, but at least it's not about obama: i have four tracks in moebius and i would like two of them to be synchronized and the other two not. how do i do it? thanx - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 12:17:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 722243BEA2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:17:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MzBKRhMN5DSt2RgEa8p4kHeAC+yyfF/0EE/MAbRGn+Q=; b=dmJ1ntYZXIiE5WfHUiBx0z62AsNKsfWDbIH3NbTFhP3ero7X9XZqgx4odjKr+XRQV8 dyRXDQ1deSUtArMzJPlU1rHDnXmFs7Dodk5MMxaJaSlWphioBAokIYsaN0WkEl9/vtj2 wydEDv4pCpKpjd+KdTdblNQs1u+WVDn8HHeZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=R7vZtSBKtIKcO0f+U19Rk7jUW8EK7mUQBiVMtmAEmCFGSt2icdA97f6MtYTKuww2Ab zvD9I/yRRHB0lMzyCrOQQDIcge+u5ZWU0VkzSPlX+8u+0r/pPLfKszNA1yAuIwPLa2g3 mew5lV77m5Gnenzi0wTOcD44nlfPs4H9a9iKg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811060417u5ff73d96p260e1f00f4f860d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:17:56 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pretty simple moebus question In-Reply-To: <4912DBEC.7070909@dehnhard.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4904AB17.5030303@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0810261221m5a8f28fbx1dfd33332dc45479@mail.gmail.com> <490581C3.7050405@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0810270332g2366c80cl120c924fb6f6ccd6@mail.gmail.com> <490B4E23.9030501@googlemail.com> <9ff9c5d10810311259g6a588e67j5dd69f2ce9d42aef@mail.gmail.com> <4912DBEC.7070909@dehnhard.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 12:17:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > i might have asked this before and it will be in the manual, but at least > it's not about obama: > > i have four tracks in moebius and i would like two of them to be > synchronized and the other two not. > how do i do it? > thanx - tilmann There are many ways, so it may be difficult to give an answer that suits you. The stage I prefer to set that up is when I'm playing and creating a loop. If I want a loop to be "out of sync" with the other loops I usually end Multiply by Record. This will create a loop of an odd length and the probability it will sync according to some unusual time signature is small. This is a technique I have been using since the early EDP days. A Mobius unique function I like is the instant multiply/divide. This will create a loop with an odd length but that is still syncing in some regard. To go Multiply by 3 and then Divide by 2 is only two pedal/key hits (if you don't script it to be just one pedal hit). Yet another way to change the loop length is to use Insert, which I don't. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 13:06:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B21003BE9E; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=csZz6D1nwO6H3biLo5tkjJaqJZ8kH9bZA3IUlP/c3YWmm5zCOjL34ADDKkRD8MEBMJ25wlQKySXVVKY+OISCnoMAig3Fd3bqvID8orDruVjdAF7NmKSuTpjpH+EamSE+; Message-ID: <20081106070607.l46vtq0ds880oswk@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:06:07 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man References: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:06:10 +0000 (UTC) Quoting SP Goodman : > > Not to discuss the O-man situation after midnight was the rule, but B > Walker's representation of the facts is a bit skewed. Debate requires > a two-way discourse, but William did not really do anything but throw > poo via an initial email, not responding to anything I actually said in > return, before telling me not to contact him again. Standard > hit-and-run routine. I didn't think Demos would start the > hands-on-ears-la-la-la routine this early. > SP Goodman, Perhaps you have forgotten that this listserve exists primarily to discuss live-looping topics. If you want to argue about politics, there are political blogs and talk shows. Your comments say more about you then they say about anyone else. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 13:46:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDF7C3BEA9; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <844C87CADB9D4ABE819B2021A01AB661@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> <20081106070607.l46vtq0ds880oswk@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:45:53 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 0007E20100094B0007E34E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3zR1.A.FIE.aUvEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:46:02 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man > Quoting SP Goodman : >> >> Not to discuss the O-man situation after midnight was the rule, but B >> Walker's representation of the facts is a bit skewed. Debate requires >> a two-way discourse, but William did not really do anything but throw >> poo via an initial email, not responding to anything I actually said in >> return, before telling me not to contact him again. Standard >> hit-and-run routine. I didn't think Demos would start the >> hands-on-ears-la-la-la routine this early. >> > SP Goodman, > > Perhaps you have forgotten that this listserve exists primarily to > discuss live-looping topics. If you want to argue about politics, there > are political blogs and talk shows. > > Your comments say more about you then they say about anyone else. Bad mirroring-projection attempt. I stopped discussing this last night, but only responded to a third-party attack as necessary. Get over it and let's get back to looping, I know I have. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 14:51:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6BA73BEB6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225983088; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=Pd1YHZ4dNSwGUR/SXJNNtN3Uu6U=; b=SkE7nSDThRVaHMT1aTstgt7Fpi0ZfoAkofVJgwP9sw3T4nmOeLPGJ386nXZ61qEe 8MkGyvCwaWfnLbqcMOTr5CIEIgeu3H9QEGctCFPeXb7fieWC7svwmZ07FXi+Mg/y; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=si6nxCHgZtAA:10 a=eqT5jf2Tj1IA:10 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Cx2sNap29JLyaTvUJMwA:9 a=2JHLBV8xfndjB7KbL0cA:7 a=rdBusawOXTC-Dl7sAfJfzTkxun8A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01c9401f$256eec00$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <008201c93fc8$7891a5f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: OT: itunes and quicktime was Re: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:51:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:51:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey Nick, Quicktime sucks and I never have been able to completly remove it, it doen't run in the background exactly but it installs quicktime plugins to my browser that even when disabled insist on routing mp3s through it. Winamp is able to take control but its a long struggle to get it to open them as it has to battle the imovable quicktime plugins. And yes when I installed Itunz it is an Itunes-Quicktime install only. If I missed something they are good. I caught all the other "offers", like default player, etc some aol crap, which is a whole other rant. Ok, Itunes itself, on reboot there is 3 obvious items running in the background even though I told it no default player, etc. ipodservice.exe - I don't have on and would not use one. itunes helper.exe applemobiledevice.exe - same as above I disabled the first two from msconfig start up and the third from services tabs. Fine they don't come back on startup. There is a fourth one that's a little trickier, I noticed an extra instance of svchost.exe running and I can't tell what it is from task manager so I ran Process Explorer and found that it was Bonjour service or mdnsresponder.exe which allow itunes to advertise and discover services on the local network. It enables you to connect with Apple tv, and Itunes. From here I turned it off but it still came back on reboot so I went back to msconfig and did find it in services after all. I turned it off and all is dormant except what I had from the earlier bout of quicktime. oh well, I love the tunes, what can I say? I'll just leave it as is and if I need it I'll crank it up again,lol. And yeah, I could've stole it and then sent him the cash but that is ethicly dicy. I use my own criteria on that can of worms. To thine own self be true. All music on the net is free for the taking or not. Mostly I choose not, mostly... peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Elijah B Torn on Vimeo > well, quicktime for windows is a giant piece of crud, but just > uninstalling it gets rid of most of the crud. itunes, however, was > always a pretty painless uninstall for me on windows. does itunes > FORCE you to install quicktime with it now? it didn't in the past, and > i'd always opt out. > > you could always find his address and mail him 10 bucks then 'steal' > the album. I actually was able to do that with a couple of lesser > known artists I found, since I refuse to download DRM'd music. > > I've never really found itunes any more invasive than any other > windows software. I mean, it plays music, lets you download songs, and > syncs your ipod. thats all it's meant for and all it really does. > quicktime is another matter, but i never had an issue with itunes on > windows. > > it downloads files to your music directory which you choose (or leave > as default), and there is a downloads section of the store that > appears when you have downloads going. it doesn't ask you where to put > the music because most users aren't smart enough to keep their music > in one folder (no, really). > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> Has anyone checked out Elijah B Torn on Vimeo? >> http://www.vimeo.com/1580384 it rocks! >> I really want to get the cd but its on I Tunes only. I just don't like >> having to download a special program and go through all the bs with them. >> i >> might do it anyway. Then I'll uninstall it again. I never completly got >> rid >> of it and quicktime the last time. It really digs in. >> >> Or is it just me. I know some of ya'll use I this and I that so tell me >> why >> I tunes is not, well ,wrong somehow. It just seems to be a pushy outfit. >> Proprietary, and it wants to take over your life somehow. >> >> ok I am downloading I tunz 8.0, 68 megs, whats up with that? i like CD >> baby >> or Amazon. someone call me a wambulance! >> >> And this, just to buy a cd, >> >> Ok a 10 min install including quick time which I hate and just got rid >> of. >> Then set up my account, buy the cd, slow download and it didn't even >> offer >> me a choice where I wanted to put it, or tell the progress on the >> download. >> >> Listening now, real warped out stuff, reminds me of Splattercell, Which >> is >> not suprising. I like it! >> >> thanks for holding my hand through this my friends, now to see what >> damage >> its done to my setup and try to undo it. >> >> >> J >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:04:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 388E83BEB2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225983880; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=KGNZPvdoWn7PEDAmpqYq3j5hcMs=; b=OyVrMWp/7tRQL+GeJN3yCqln4dZ+Z0UFUz+3atSrntxW3ygC+LFFG4HJcagJkgoC gnt3lR8/eYAMy5Oxq/Tx20NBU45QPR9lkW8+LPAlZPgmkLElfTnj8VLbhPfHvZpU; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ca7168U8AAAA:8 a=Su3vSk6S5KcCZiBVEvMA:9 a=PWEiTZ4D_znD1FMP_VnjhRRk8jIA:4 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 a=Yr6C8POZgISkfj20LCEA:9 a=uuq8Y-jhc_oXF2jyYnoA:7 a=x3jAlCvsXdPa7OgfpzRNbexrjuIA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: Elija B Torn Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:04:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93FF7.1312F010" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:04:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93FF7.1312F010 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now this kinda stuff makes me very interested in software as part of a = creative process. http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/08/29/elijah-b-torn-on-odd-sound-techn= iques-ableton-live/ J ------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93FF7.1312F010 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0029_01C93FF7.1312F010-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:22:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF64E3BEC2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=moyTBrE/nX3xqy9DL/p4jnq9orfa/B/emo6sxPvrLFU=; b=TJDOzrgZGXC/BHVDnaImL51qLQz+YUu4aYMNmo4o93EmMtw8YcNUkGZDgoFXJ5cuS1 +J1zHgqv88oKsZkKpFu+OREWKB5G76+ss87V/y7aKXKeLNUImxZizgVwyjKDhHOFG41/ dWA0qJpmLcNEC6sMFW7Baby6kiRmf11MvdgXY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=J/fpnug7f1/dC7Mkf8SI6lRM6UAtK8WNZ31yh03WU/Du1B6sRDhTBAm0Kw7MzE40E1 byPBUeH67023lA0gGVJ2igE95NhQyWSlkPgYuWvsdiG16eg/EDfheIanW+dynw5OQ/R/ qshpwfrHz/Wj+sQ25sMQnmE/e3Fbkfsq17Ib8= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811060722y6b9fe367ycf25d8174f6ae26b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:22:03 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elija B Torn In-Reply-To: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: <2Aj4G.A.AuG.cuwEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:22:04 +0000 (UTC) That vimeo video link was awesome that you posted, He is one super creative dude and a great sense of humor too:) Todd On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Now this kinda stuff makes me very interested in software as part of a > creative process. > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/08/29/elijah-b-torn-on-odd-sound-techniques-ableton-live/ > > > J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:24:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DE623BECA; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:24:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225985087; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=cIlDhNc0xsp4CyMs4AbSBsKb9Co=; b=e0cCqzFe0ZaOQt0gix/4B6eYwsBQFKohu7YpNamz/xsuP3dfpl5slRTtNVwVX52X QBjRmWcfeY9CslzilMHT4tpV3v994FDxzrdSBA0W3k3a+63/NTn3OXYSw1SrSPqb; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ca7168U8AAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=m2UM9VF0ULTfko5KVqwA:9 a=eAgugO1WtEAlqvb4mLUA:7 a=LlxllkC2LcVjeKdKdrBVGvYLXUEA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=oltX7JrCFroA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002101c94023$cd29c6f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <9ea2f30b0811060722y6b9fe367ycf25d8174f6ae26b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Elija B Torn Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:24:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <42wP3D.A.01G.KxwEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:24:58 +0000 (UTC) A real chip off the old block. How'd ya like to have a dad like DT? j ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Matthews" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: Elija B Torn > That vimeo video link was awesome that you posted, He is one super > creative dude and a great sense of humor too:) > > Todd > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> Now this kinda stuff makes me very interested in software as part of a >> creative process. >> >> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/08/29/elijah-b-torn-on-odd-sound-techniques-ableton-live/ >> >> >> J > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:25:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0A373BED0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:25:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=PFZmJpZ9caPTLPHvZD3Kk5r0PGG5DDhggZYTnLYXXZM=; b=OxJXyR98hm75HUjq2NQro7SRhtgBqE+ohwBar3WmR+lb+SStzJgkZFj3WjPe+VL0Jv 4Pew4uiaN2dCfsYZe1ebcfToUdVjyplxAUo/mf/xunh+BXAUlhWJ87uXaJTVbUPebxke fFk8j6DXjYbhKANptxiNx/enRynJNnSrOsIgE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=xiSwkthB9PAYybAGTcuA1SlfAqENg+snH9SsI9UPq1uG1jYb0oYqR2joFD8IGS144O 1ACrn71amGoX6ym48cp4BPy/AWrQbmCQkXfwmgLU8jpugiIapl73dOZOqhWl/Pnx8er+ q+M8/MhLGckjbCjAAgMX0FI0D7gWfqEN4yCp8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811060725q1fce95aoc89c5a4d1cfe7e1e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:25:40 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Elija B Torn In-Reply-To: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: <2KEEIB.A.p6G.1xwEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:25:41 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Now this kinda stuff makes me very interested in software as part of a > creative process. > > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/08/29/elijah-b-torn-on-odd-sound-techniques-ableton-live/ > > > J Thanks, Jeff! Great link tip for a highly interesting article! Many of the Live tricks described there have been discussed on this list. I think especially clip envelopes are used by many live loopers. Good that the article credits EBT for "giving away his secrets". -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:44:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 237593BEBA; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225986290; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=nyJGB8/zjiCFZehiAmQKJ5+E+6U=; b=SiyZJ5WBfHIVVTqFpRC/t63Of0/tjSEnlJaxyJvTB+akayEYnRpmh2wc1vU2nvtS sU5h6IOqUIDluETbjVmXzRziRPpCwxyqyJXSctrGjVHgkvjnoI8ChHww2rtlb65W; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ca7168U8AAAA:8 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=MGdqm-70fsqgSEHp6EUA:9 a=TK0LZIsSBFBx-mDTeR0A:7 a=KyXj8TWUyksAy-P4RLt6SjywGqwA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=wCaoJTriV0sA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001301c94026$9a21efa0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <002c01c94020$fdbc3170$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <66f9cc1e0811060725q1fce95aoc89c5a4d1cfe7e1e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Elija B Torn Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:44:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:44:50 +0000 (UTC) yeah Per, I do see what you guys are about with what you do, specially you and a few others. You make the software alive and human. As does EBT. Too deep for me at this stage, lol. But I dig it. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: Re: Elija B Torn > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> Now this kinda stuff makes me very interested in software as part of a >> creative process. >> >> http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/08/29/elijah-b-torn-on-odd-sound-techniques-ableton-live/ >> >> >> J > > > Thanks, Jeff! Great link tip for a highly interesting article! Many of > the Live tricks described there have been discussed on this list. I > think especially clip envelopes are used by many live loopers. Good > that the article credits EBT for "giving away his secrets". > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:47:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CF833BED3; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:subject :cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vSj7pIfvQeBjNFulcyXO0r7bHNAeX7LpFAwLiBseZQM=; b=lTqZ/GrktS0P6JnHsEa3aN2Uc4LBc6qcVYxUvL1CaFvqVmV3Xf6WwV25leg22DrNqD ySWcuiYobDUmQGqoWqv/xGIx4O5dKkHjUUa6fjIBPV4d5YnzH2vZu9T6mDKqsfylSUST ZhW/FdLSojzLpiWlHh3d6k7aEE81Q+XO5rVII= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=PDJ0azwuXaKcGXxY039kmtpe9Kqo5YvU/3GkJgvTl4+yhIKKtw0m0MgTsZVsYaIhio iB4xXrN3/R7I4v8+DuE7Yj8nakPZIrPTQBiGN6Svxk2biMspT+t0swgA5/rjzWrx6zxv AJxKpzO6GfZZh+bA4v+NFHiFFyHWe+wDVbXmU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:47:03 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" Subject: Re: loop listenings...nemoguitar review/lexicon mx200 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <626793.92071.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33315_32214186.1225986423847" References: <20081106031849.6341D3BE90@arsenic.violacea.com> <626793.92071.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:47:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33315_32214186.1225986423847 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Scott, MX200 can be a lot of fun ... I've considered using two of them so as to do "blocks" of treatments ... the delay and pitch shift can create some cool colors, too. Let us hear what you do with it. Best, Dennis On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, scott hansen wrote: > just a note: that i decided to do a few new reviews on my myspace page ( > www.myspace.com/scotthansen)... i reviewed 2 of michael Klobuchar's cds > i've traded w/ him in the past (i was past due, took me a few months to g= et > back on review track), it's on my blog space there... boy i miss the days > of cd trading through snail mail, but i haven't sat down and done much > recording as of late.... been listening to a lot of nemoguitars stuff, > some great things coming from him... Also recently listened to Krispen > Hartung's "Fragments", that one still blows my mind that it's live at cof= fee > houses, etc, never hear that stuff in coffee houses around here=85.Just s= ome > great sounds=85 and this week i just got a used lexicon mx200...i had bee= n > missing the use of good reverb in my mix, boy, loving the sounds from tha= t > thing. played w/ the tape delay last night, reminded me of the lexicon pc= m > manipulations of david torn a bit, just can get whacky sounds out of > it...probably should record it i guess.... i put away my behringer > tweakalizer to make room for the lex mx200 rack thing, space was a premiu= m > on my desk setup...a few weeks ago, was also playing w/ my rocktron silve= r > dragon tube preamp thing, liked it at first, still debating the tube vs. > digital thing, sometimes i thought it sounded great, other times it didn'= t > to my ear...don't know....oh well, happy looping... s---- > --=20 http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_33315_32214186.1225986423847 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Scott,

MX200 can be a lot of fun ... I've considered using two o= f them so as to do "blocks" of treatments ... the delay and pitch= shift can create some cool colors, too. Let us hear what you do with it.
Best,

Dennis

On Wed, Nov 5, 20= 08 at 10:55 PM, scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:

just a note: that i decided to do a few new reviews on my mys= pace page (www.myspace.com/s= cotthansen)...

i reviewed 2 of = michael Klobuchar's cds i've traded w/ him in the past (i was past due, too= k me a few months to get back on review track), it's on my blog space there= ...

boy i miss the d= ays of cd trading through snail mail, but i haven't sat down and done much = recording as of late....

been listening t= o a lot of nemoguitars stuff, some great things coming from him...

Also recently listened to Krispen H= artung=92s =93Fragments=94, that one still blows my mind that it=92s live a= t coffee houses, etc, never hear that stuff in coffee houses around here=85= .Just some great sounds=85

and this week i just got a used lex= icon mx200...i had been missing the use of good reverb in my mix, boy, lovi= ng the sounds from that thing. played w/ the tape delay last night, reminde= d me of the lexicon pcm manipulations of david torn a bit, just can get wha= cky sounds out of it...probably should record it i guess....

i put away my behringer tweakalizer= to make room for the lex mx200 rack thing, space was a premium on my desk = setup...a few weeks ago, was also playing w/ my rocktron silver dragon tube= preamp thing, liked it at first, still debating the tube vs. digital = thing, sometimes i thought it sounded great, other times it didn't to my ea= r...don't know....oh well, happy looping...

s----

 

just a note: that i decided = to do a few new reviews on my myspace page (www.myspace.com/scotthansen)...

i reviewed 2 of michael Klob= uchar's cds i've traded w/ him in the past (i was past due, took me= a few months to get back on review track), it's on my blog space there= ...

boy i miss the days of cd tr= ading through snail mail, but i haven't sat down and done much recordin= g as of late....

been listening to a lot of n= emoguitars stuff, some great things coming from him...

Also recently listened to Krispen = Hartung's "Fragments", that one still blows my mind that it's live at coffe= e houses, etc, never hear that stuff in coffee houses around here=85.Just s= ome great sounds=85

and this week i just got a used le= xicon mx200...i had been missing the use of good reverb in my mix, boy, lov= ing the sounds from that thing. played w/ the tape delay last night, remind= ed me of the lexicon pcm manipulations of david torn a bit, just can get wh= acky sounds out of it...probably should record it i guess....

i put away my behringer tweakalize= r to make room for the lex mx200 rack thing, space was a premium on my desk= setup...a few weeks ago, was also playing w/ my rocktron silver dragon tub= e preamp thing, liked it at first, still debating the tube vs. digital= thing, sometimes i thought it sounded great, other times it didn't to = my ear...don't know....oh well, happy looping...

s----

 





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------=_Part_33315_32214186.1225986423847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:48:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2106A3BEDF; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0iB7VOsIoki2bek+0EEsCRfwZAfUXQgn6JlSmv5Kgxg=; b=YJ4TsYyLMpUc81AQeSq0YUqQIwVGhdhmEqksLZlG8im8wVM+QIh3944Vtj//nAcEYI vKgxFe4XAXSZzPzTw0nU0eQ6Da6wYXXXoJzMe2T8hN6xUthukSASlq5JFu/SC+jd2WRO +gt4oZKdQ6kNwAXSvKt8zKGYMNaP2OD0ruzFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=r1posxCa+xCHNNxoCXPKZCrXeo9nQaMinC+VONH4DQyjRR/kyjRkcGYe7Fv2drO0U3 97ASc9L+MsWvB7dXLBckFOIQbI28M5gXYPlAtvBbA9nedZAwn613cF1K202O3AN0RFj4 YWW2Ijlb8M+VJlVmYCeRHFH0WAvbwstGnl+00= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:48:34 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33371_14256357.1225986514418" References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:48:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33371_14256357.1225986514418 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's not the device that makes you experimental, tEd ... it's how you use ... shine on, you crazy diamond. Dennis On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:00 PM, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > Hi all, > > Believe me, I' no label-nazi . . . honest! > > Nor am I especially academic (although I was once the President of the L.A. > chapter of SEAMUS). > > I'm only partly "experimental" on certain occasions and in certain company > (or at certain venues) . . . or when it suits me. > > Ant that really isn't al that often. > > Mostly my music is an electronic wild-eyed howl at the moon . . . truth be > told (heheh). > > And at heart . . . I'm actually a "folkie" . . . just one from a different > planet and/or dimention. > > But I wrote what I did earlier because a lot of us seem to think/act/talk > exactly like I described in my previous email. > > 1) I've got a guitar, an eBow and/or a looper and a (latest effect of the > month) . . . so I must be an experimental musician . . . or > > 2) I only play improvised music (make it up as I go along) . . . so I must > be an experimental musician . . . or (heheh) > > 3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an > experimental musician. > > See what I mean? > > I've been guilty of it myself at various times in my musical journey > (oftener than I care to admit). > > Geeze, I bought my first eBow in 1980 (one of the old chrome jobbers). > > And any device that has been around for 28 years is not all that > cutting-edge. > > Cheers, > > tEd (R) kiLLiAn > > Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you > didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away > from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. > Discover. - Mark Twain > > http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Mikkoz wrote: > > Personal experimentation is really fun and certainly can help one grow, >> but it may or may not break new ground for the body of work in your field. >> >> Doesn't sound as fun anymore, does it? 8-) Really, most of these labels >> are just convenient ways to attract an audience. >> > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_33371_14256357.1225986514418 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's not the device that makes you experimental, tEd ... it's how you use ... shine on, you crazy diamond.

Dennis

On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 10:00 PM, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi all,

Believe me, I' no label-nazi . . . honest!

Nor am I especially academic (although I was once the President of the L.A. chapter of SEAMUS).

I'm only partly "experimental" on certain occasions and in certain company (or at certain venues) . . . or when it suits me.

Ant that really isn't al that often.

Mostly my music is an electronic wild-eyed howl at the moon . . . truth be told (heheh).

And at heart . . . I'm actually a "folkie" . . . just one from a different planet and/or dimention.

But I wrote what I did earlier because a lot of us seem to think/act/talk exactly like I described in my previous email.

1) I've got a guitar, an eBow and/or a looper and a (latest effect of the month) . . . so I must be an experimental musician . . . or

2) I only play improvised music (make it up as I go along) . . . so I must be an experimental musician . . . or (heheh)

3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an experimental musician.

See what I mean?

I've been guilty of it myself at various times in my musical journey (oftener than I care to admit).

Geeze, I bought my first eBow in 1980 (one of the old chrome jobbers).

And any device that has been around for 28 years is not all that cutting-edge.

Cheers,


tEd ® kiLLiAn

Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain

http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes

On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Mikkoz wrote:

Personal experimentation is really fun and certainly can help one grow, but it may or may not break new ground for the body of work in your field.

Doesn't sound as fun anymore, does it?  8-)  Really, most of these labels are just convenient ways to attract an audience.



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------=_Part_33371_14256357.1225986514418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 15:55:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1AF3BEE4; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4uU3uTxZLilLi9AfGgSttqWDyRAuL7Apca7qK9gmVSw=; b=CIUGMsmnYl6KxRQv7R8pm+OYP1OQYu0aCuSgOntOuPKNAqH1Ls7Z6IM3+2a38reyOJ utgd5TOV5O1DlWU1UFSWlL6JVUGtubgrpWUCXRe7+2gtbnpVE/8wL1T32NTZhYCKBWwb 09CZa1c7gSxkMpB7qH4VAfmptJfFmcPDe4Gx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vVMu4jeRZbyw/ouIntWD5FgBEap6B5Y0JWqEAg5BbxipDw8L3uSyUNFjRvm0sKdF1F iFMElunnZC6k2UEi13ZjlPk1171d+G6ncdk7UKrC1nKJWYIYYG9dLCw5sky9ql/AG9Ua oBfkYK7xnPkg4G3HurgzdL90u5SwRPQN1gNQ0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 07:55:53 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17073_31575343.1225986953819" References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 15:55:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17073_31575343.1225986953819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It would also seem that someone with little or no knowledge of musical history could find a lot of stuff to be "experimental" when to others with a broader background it sounded exactly like La Monte Young (or whoever). "Experimental" can mean one thing to the musician (they can "experiment" with compositions comprised entirely of augmented chords if it's a new area for them) and quite another to an audience or critics. What I'm wondering is are all "avant garde" musicians "experimental"? Is "avant garde experimental" a redundant phrase? TH ------=_Part_17073_31575343.1225986953819 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It would also seem that someone with little or no knowledge of musical history could find a lot of stuff to be "experimental" when to others with a broader background it sounded exactly like La Monte Young (or whoever).  "Experimental" can mean one thing to the musician (they can "experiment" with compositions comprised entirely of augmented chords if it's a new area for them) and quite another to an audience or critics.

What I'm wondering is are all "avant garde" musicians "experimental"?  Is "avant garde experimental" a redundant phrase?

TH

------=_Part_17073_31575343.1225986953819-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:00:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243643BED6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 100575723/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.79/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.79 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAMijEklPTu5P/2dsb2JhbAAIjnq7P4NVg0I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,558,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="100575723" Message-ID: <49131550.1010200@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:03:28 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: want an echoplex!! References: <14be8f380811050626t8a950f2wad3b9f3da5220401@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <14be8f380811050626t8a950f2wad3b9f3da5220401@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Well, let's just say that this is a *very* good place to mention it if you happen to be looking for one. ;-) andy butler andre patterson wrote: > hoi hoi > > i was just curious whether anyone had any pointers to finding myself a > echoplex pro plus, i understand there fairly rare these days so im prepared > to pay a fairly hefty amount. id love for anyone to send me a link to a site or > anything were i can get connected > > much appreciated > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:15:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 929A13BEF1; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:15:17 EST Subject: Re: loop listenings...nemoguitar review/lexicon mx200 To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c7b.44d0e329.36447215_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:15:51 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c7b.44d0e329.36447215_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/08 10:55:21 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes: > i reviewed 2 of michael Klobuchar's cds > wow!.....thanks scott.....it's nice to have someone not only listen to one's tunes but also to post a review.....loverly.....quite often people have said, "klobuchar sounds like chet atkins on acid playing polkas".....which in itself gives me a sense of glee!.....i also miss the GOOD OLD DAZE when folks traded cds....how old school was that!.....:).....michael "AMERICANS ARN'T STUPID".....BARACK OBAMA new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) --part1_c7b.44d0e329.36447215_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/5/08 10:55:21 PM, evanpeewee@yahoo.com writes:


i reviewed 2 of micha= el Klobuchar's cds


wow!.....thanks scott.....it's nice to have someone not only listen to on= e's tunes but also to post a review.....loverly.....quite often people have=20= said,  "klobuchar sounds like chet atkins on acid playing polkas".....= which in itself gives me a sense of glee!.....i also miss the GOOD OLD DAZE=20= when folks traded cds....how old school was that!.....:).....michael

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AOL Search: Your one stop for direct= ions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_c7b.44d0e329.36447215_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:20:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 590943BEDC; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:20:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 08:20:22 -0800 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:20:27 +0000 (UTC) You know, I agree with you in the sense that I do not believe that everything under the sun has been done before. If I truly believed that, I don't think I could ever make music at all...! I was thinking of it a bit more absolutely, in the sense that the guitar has been explored so extensively over the past 150 years (particularly the last 60) that if you pick up a conventional electric axe and play it with fingers or pick through a typical amp, both the sound and technique will be extremely familiar before you ever start. But for content, yes; that's where we break new ground, or hope to. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> To do something truly unheard before with, say, a guitar, you'd >> pretty much be prohibited from laying fingers on the fingerboard, or >> even putting strings on it for that matter. > > Respectfully, I disagree with that. > There's lot's of ways in which a piece of music could be different to > what has gone before, many of them possible using standard timbres. > > 1) Rhythm, there's plenty of unexplored concepts there. > 2) Melody, doesn't have known boundaries, not understood through any > theory > 3) Has every technique for changing the sound of a regular note played > on guitar been found yet? 4) While it may be true that "every > harmony has been tried", by combining using harmony with > different timbres, and over different rhythms I'm sure it's possible > to create something unexpected. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36133BEDA; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=d5iaG9NBTcg3LndRrAaW+KRYZbSYTLTykrkm/sTdgTpT8n4PW61R2S6OuPMCpP3yR6O3SzX4RpK+KcFxuDTVvKKmNTYzLgXO3LTV1DCJ2Du8MqUrCnoxKUBu51z8hgBfxIysDLYOrub4fdMAUcQkQhwVOyIkMJr0u4J7Egs7NCM=; X-YMail-OSG: 0fedm3EVM1nUkbGpnpZcw3z5qaqn3x64qEXPo6RuIT1CbdjITEkOey4b6jPTNmGncJz9JcYpHOqp6.NGahJGq7mQb6rtEPykvKZ.Qnkkw4ppuePuPh6fTM_NoeYbxMXRis9B6J96BfNO0QHPC1NCbSRQp3.oLFT47BIQa3YpjFq139qPhRDgl8ueWmbvxGgoVYDlFTezqngdwY4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: If the world could vote To: SP Goodman Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <0978D542FE7E4DC6802440C5E142F321@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <387940.27957.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) ok so you want real leadership,ah? suck on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gy-Cq75BWY&feature=related www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 11/5/08, SP Goodman wrote: > From: SP Goodman > Subject: Re: If the world could vote > To: labaloops@yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:23 AM > Hah, wait until the next attack, then tell us what you think > about O-man's > "leadership skills". > > > >i havent met one person here in southern germany who is > for Mc Cain,yet in > >my recent stay in San Francisco i met a couple of guys > from texas at the > >Johnny Foleys Irish pub who said Bush wasnt bad as > everyone thinks,he has > >only been misunderstood;-) > > I think the winning of Obama will be more of a relief > for the whole world > > than anything else! > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, phaslem@wightman.ca > wrote: > > > >> From: phaslem@wightman.ca > > >> Subject: If the world could vote > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 3:32 PM > >> It doesn't count towards anything, but it is > interesting > >> to see what > >> folks around the world would like to see happen in > this > >> election. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> You can vote too - just click on the red > "VOTE" > >> tab on the left side > >> of the screen. > >> > >> > >> http://www.iftheworldcouldvote.com/results > >> > >> > >> > >> Paul Haslem > >> www.dulcify.ca > >> Ontario, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBDAF3BEE6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=1fMpPGpHCVUVTdS0HMg2ed8HM9hMnFtZVtSnyv/1TKG1WZg8B50RNdjydayUylgenMTnkaonWpU7DpAcIbQH+ZGlmiX0pT8TJGu+o+IXmiiZoXnvqRItIX6qhVke7jVUO6ZIpcBKmHCZZFuAAoIZofiBUW6FuQ33LVp/BiNhUqs=; X-YMail-OSG: 5K6sAzkVM1kMMgsxVHLJWcxt0fGYJ_lTSwPrtggFekFBL862gfZyz3QvCJjZFJGU2TFWCvTmGqlTRJlU1PnEqbRdt0_tC7H1gMkPfaT6SbI.qmKa8xq5QjpW9h9iSDlRze8hDkkNNB9DD00UjzigBjC13ssGSSnxC3r1M_5hLeVNTemZuRRA4u5TbGyV X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: EXPERIMENTAL (belew,fripp, zappa et al...) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20080820163003.E4D6F3BF0E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1299584-1225988913=:45713" Message-ID: <444343.45713.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0etidC.A.qfB.ysxEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:28:34 +0000 (UTC) --0-1299584-1225988913=:45713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii the question of experimental...yeah, i don't really have an answer either.... when ted was talking about adrian belew, i loved his albums from the 80s (lone rhino, twang bar king, desire caught by the tail, etc). certainly at the time in the 80's, he was one of the high profile experimental guitarists, since he played w/ zappa, and talking heads, used a huge amt of effects and was trying to get different sounds out of his guitar.... but the funny thing when i listened to those albums again awhile back (on tape mind you!), i was amazed at things that i thought were so radical and out there, didn't sound like that to my ears 25 yrs later. a lot of time i'd think, oh its chorus or flanger w/ a bit of echo or delay. granted in the 80's i dreamed of having effects, but they were too costly, now they are relatively cheap and available to all. the other funny thing is listening to both rhino and twang bar, that they sound like pop music-maybe slightly bent or w/ a twist, but not all that far out than talking heads and stuff (real rhythmic etc...). of course the desire album is instrumental and uses the early roland guitar synth... . But certainly Mr. Music Head and Young Lions and his other early 90's albums had a very Beatle-esque pop quality to them. I always laugh when i watch his electronic guitar vid from the 80's about his use of the electro-harmonix 16-sec delay pedal-he calls it his "digital tape loop" box.-how new technology (digital) uses antique terms to describe function (tape loops) also in answering the "experimental"-i suppose FRIPP is one of the leading lights in experimental guitar w/ looping from the 70's, but listen to Heros w/ Bowie, and the sustaining fuzz box lines he plays in that, are just the catchiest melody i think, maybe it's just that it's a great song, and bowie is a great pop/rock singer too... and lastly, i also loved ZAPPA's guitar playing, was always amazed at his interviews where he said that he was no virtuoso, he was just playing the things he knew in an improvised setting w/ his bands. i was also amazed that his later interviews he always said that once off tour, he rarely played guitar b/c he had to focus on other aspects of music making, and when he played again, it took him a bit to get up to speed on tours, etc. guess it shows that the maybe the important thing is the music and not so much the guitar playing.... my late 2 cents.... s--- www.myspace.com/scotthansen --0-1299584-1225988913=:45713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
the question of experimental...yeah, i don't really have an answer either....

when ted was talking about adrian belew, i loved his albums from the 80s (lone rhino, twang bar king, desire caught by the tail, etc).
certainly at the time in the 80's, he was one of the high profile experimental guitarists, since he played w/ zappa, and talking heads, used a huge amt of effects and was trying to get different sounds out of his guitar....
but the funny thing when i listened to those albums again awhile back (on tape mind you!), i was amazed at things that i thought were so radical and out there, didn't sound like that to my ears 25 yrs later. a lot of time i'd think, oh its chorus or flanger w/ a bit of echo or delay. granted in the 80's i dreamed of having effects, but they were too costly, now they are relatively cheap and available to all.
the other funny thing is listening to both rhino and twang bar, that they sound like pop music-maybe slightly bent or w/ a twist, but not all that far out than talking heads and stuff (real rhythmic etc...). of course the desire album is instrumental and uses the early roland guitar synth... . But certainly Mr. Music Head and Young Lions and his other early 90's albums had a very Beatle-esque pop quality to them. I always laugh when i watch his electronic guitar vid from the 80's about his use of the electro-harmonix 16-sec delay pedal-he calls it his "digital tape loop" box.-how new technology (digital) uses antique terms to describe function (tape loops)

also in answering the "experimental"-i suppose FRIPP is one of the leading lights in experimental guitar w/ looping from the 70's, but listen to Heros w/ Bowie, and the sustaining fuzz box lines he plays in that, are just the catchiest melody i think, maybe it's just that it's a great song, and bowie is a great pop/rock singer too...

and lastly, i also loved ZAPPA's guitar playing, was always amazed at his interviews where he said that he was no virtuoso, he was just playing the things he knew in an improvised setting w/ his bands. i was also amazed that his later interviews he always said that once off tour, he rarely played guitar b/c he had to focus on other aspects of music making, and when he played again, it took him a bit to get up to speed on tours, etc. guess it shows that the maybe the important thing is the music and not so much the guitar playing....
my late 2 cents....
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www.myspace.com/scotthansen

--0-1299584-1225988913=:45713-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 16:32:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73A0C3BEE1; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=DFJTpnRwZt3G4ifG2zCnOJLlAKPSmY6pEt11G6Xas6a/H9y4r4XoJL4/Wd2/bXb39c9iWy+tHpQZf01OAja9W2txFcvRuxwUHX4dMVaxaVgt0GIp6cKKzyiIHl8tJhsyy3ycYeruGXFPGv6Llfj0Y2eGS0dxJ6DSmKFg71r+CVo= ; X-YMail-OSG: tldB09cVM1naRW59hvj1QYA3BjlO6t8Ih9d5JPkpBXClsiGhmTLlyS_PfM8Wg1k_nsQfIoBtKPKcbfDbD5qepHrdPSyu44QheTtFXugnegnEOzlrmeAzSuC_TuP5_tV5U.H2_Snms0.HJ6qTyF2dwLPnGC_BxlZSRijrP7AlefcLHnzwNH1QNNCexqA- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:32:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:32:51 +0000 (UTC) In a lot of instances, I'd find that the restraint of having a familiar sound to work with initially provides a solid foundation for creative development. I'm particularly interested in how conventional guitar techniques, especially picking styles, can be manipulated with technology to bring about a new performance approach, especially in the performance practice (rehearsal) of an instrument. I agree with Andy in that there is a lot out there that has yet to be discovered and/or developed. My two cents. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? > You know, I agree with you in the sense that I do not believe that > everything under the sun has been done before. If I truly believed that, I > don't think I could ever make music at all...! > > I was thinking of it a bit more absolutely, in the sense that the guitar > has been explored so extensively over the past 150 years (particularly the > last 60) that if you pick up a conventional electric axe and play it with > fingers or pick through a typical amp, both the sound and technique will > be extremely familiar before you ever start. But for content, yes; that's > where we break new ground, or hope to. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> >>> To do something truly unheard before with, say, a guitar, you'd pretty >>> much be prohibited from laying fingers on the fingerboard, or even >>> putting strings on it for that matter. >> >> Respectfully, I disagree with that. >> There's lot's of ways in which a piece of music could be different to >> what has gone before, many of them possible using standard timbres. >> >> 1) Rhythm, there's plenty of unexplored concepts there. >> 2) Melody, doesn't have known boundaries, not understood through any >> theory >> 3) Has every technique for changing the sound of a regular note played on >> guitar been found yet? 4) While it may be true that "every harmony has >> been tried", by combining using harmony with >> different timbres, and over different rhythms I'm sure it's possible to >> create something unexpected. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release > Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 17:56:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474FD3BEE0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=x2IVXdW9jwvkbLeVEmqQkENofiQ5oeUNATQ6GK+S6gM=; b=Oxxk26MxcIgMpsmTdcDfDIXaN32tmqFUVpvX0CyVC4FcrGGHKgNtLCAoF4WZfZqGuU QhqLAyryae7nItbADarwz5fmlaxS9E48xGL6uPkwhbA7W4p4DCZxbPDASJ4anN8BNC51 75LO9b4RU/AA0geqysLFnggk+o9Na9naEb0No= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=p6R/5pA+PhcW3QXFcb3DkM9FgrFOZ8YV76ojldzTiu9uXc0vekUJ+2AVsWVtxtXvq+ DXcQdP4YAqpvCHWo4VJtTJlHxQKs7D2G4xzbxURzwTgy/ZQ3vvgiNbZUdH/enHDRPMLn zZTGrQmahKvES8DpMtaqIShdgQBQrq0qZtW5g= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 09:56:35 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In-Reply-To: <844C87CADB9D4ABE819B2021A01AB661@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20691_22883566.1225994195830" References: <4272E13FC2F749F09BDC96EDDB85E94E@eluk1> <20081106070607.l46vtq0ds880oswk@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <844C87CADB9D4ABE819B2021A01AB661@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:56:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20691_22883566.1225994195830 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. Why is that not happening? > > ------=_Part_20691_22883566.1225994195830 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. Why is that not happening?


------=_Part_20691_22883566.1225994195830-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:08:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D89EE3BEDE; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMvFTm2/n Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:08:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AclAOQPtBYq67/R1Rfeu5v0CZiwVJQAAYEpw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;) > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the h > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. Why is that not happening? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:21:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A5633BEC7; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225995713; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=vHxMvhPIP4rqlj52fD3Gbij0Qu4=; b=MY3hYutwGOvqqAOK5NDLSSOPC0sprQDavVA6w9J3Q44Zd2jjGuYA529wJuXXgvVb rt5VTxPHQXi/O9l49SLPZJMysIomwsI4JLrfkLG80ia2BMT+k4+gTJVxQmq4EEFr; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=tcd1aS0KKKZYHj6ADOsA:9 a=rVzmbxQi6Qm6Cr912vwA:7 a=0piW3vzxMTCMiZymq6pSkqfTTAIA:4 a=tyFau8m7W3IA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001c01c9403c$8af9ec60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: OT: Re: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:21:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Right on Rainer! And btw folks there is a little used off topic list. I am headed there now. loop on, j ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:08 PM Subject: AW: Silliness and the O-man > Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;) > >> I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there >> was > one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the > h >> headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. > Why is that not happening? > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 7:58 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:31:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 777863BEC9; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZkzzGULlKYoj8VEgqUmXRfAZ78LG82IhylwsJIXX4gI=; b=sYfAywBlxvOGIeLSLdku8s4NPsogDOXpHsn/JyBytLCvSPXWyLv/bAuXLNsxaPJK6O /l6V6tf/jxOhGNV7ffsbvV9fRPwkRCCbHQjekPFAV/OwDAf4pur2O0RtIBTi47FyoHOe rGDh7Lcwk/cZsXxwL1pkSE1xAmsWEXP/F/R6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=afHEjfcd8otD9L+/hoEMfcQvUB4AhIuj92UolWcOtwy27TA9IuNJiMz5x0mFYjNZSS gc1PAkVKJzQjhPgxRkHpGKCNshxEox9u0TcZfZoayNUB3OuydlYuPf5F9czqIORpibv8 Ku5huURqtI3WQj3pvxQgni++tnTZgGCXNFG60= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:31:45 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21135_20353224.1225996305812" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:31:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21135_20353224.1225996305812 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Er uh, asking myself what? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;) > > > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there > was > one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the > h > > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. > Why is that not happening? > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_21135_20353224.1225996305812 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Er uh, asking myself what?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;)

> I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was
one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the h
> headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts.
Why is that not happening?








------=_Part_21135_20353224.1225996305812-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:35:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6173BEC1; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMvFTm2/n Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:35:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: AclAPe2WLyZNAddcRqeJDcPxjNdUuQAADLaA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". Hence, you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever reason). So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. Because people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever was your reason to do so... And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than off-topic postings). Rainer ________________________________ Von: Michael Billow [mailto:mbillow@gmail.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. November 2008 19:32 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Re: Silliness and the O-man Er uh, asking myself what? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;) > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the h > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts. Why is that not happening? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:35:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD213BEDE; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:35:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3Fd3fEEfCn/OfXXKvMDt31Hsq53uKv1LkowqjF3mikQ=; b=UmmqhSpADrAnIxUrgGNcJWF0nIlltH/GiU7f2RC4ixZRNTCVFcjmrkUYNum7pzOp6s 0XXZ8KSlQ2yIVORoLQ8c/xH1ml50s8wecl5Int5b4OYPsaYUGVpwNug70TsNyZJ+vIei rzfOOM0Pn21g4cQmQcGNYUUIPc34PM65ZFOcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mGacRLQdodFauFzf9K8tZYyWv2NmAbF4P8Z6WMsVhKmWCME5nNfJJxtXhmPi/ybefU +VV+mG7GJLNsikDbLTC3YmqK7KiR2K5meQROLHYLTN7t19l08aYt/i+YshGs7Q8FAChl vSKPjzFxQVuCvqNDOrxx9VxvosfXsJlDHJmTM= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:35:24 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18876_31665442.1225996524127" References: Resent-Message-ID: <-spBpB.A.iaF.tjzEJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:35:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18876_31665442.1225996524127 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Why your post subject line doesn't start with "OT"? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Michael Billow wrote: > Er uh, asking myself what? > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < > rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > >> Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;) >> >> > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there >> was >> one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the >> h >> > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those >> posts. >> Why is that not happening? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------=_Part_18876_31665442.1225996524127 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Why your post subject line doesn't start with "OT"?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
Er uh, asking myself what?


On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;)

> I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall there was
one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) in the h
> headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those posts.
Why is that not happening?









------=_Part_18876_31665442.1225996524127-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:39:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 151483BECF; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8SxKfyopv8yeguK6c8ih9Or8E+eUl9Dyfvn6jn/cN54=; b=MbAo7zWwjh4yrJ+16HlGjGyjOMNHUHbrlbggWPth/MM7AqBziUKyY8wX4WtfAh/pCS VfI7nbb2qWtcmnsQ6hHOpM1/VOurVGu+SpeEmBUPMRKJT62Mltpv9n+sWm3EpQo1FZit 7NUgy222+1pDGIYQuo5rJr6CdGaUn5Y4oab/0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=wsWLbFynEpImlzt0+QIq9j4TN4Zc09WUyzyRn9gSvCzEBuyKyqoKWvSptKm2qzaS/V wUU4rJ55VMyIuWEfzmCXBl2s35kQNeMMnc5XFif+LaJSAUo8sKTA18QK+CU30mZ7vRhx cXRqMp3X8aWrPD1pDQOVEu7r3QTRD4ESs/Hgg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:39:26 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21196_30775126.1225996766670" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:39:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21196_30775126.1225996766670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK I didn't find your response cute, I mean clearly this thread was already offline, and if I placed OT in the headline it wouldn't have been seen by the appropriate posters. After a couple days of this, it seems appropriate to speak up about it. Would you rather no one said anything at all? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de> wrote: > Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". > Hence, > you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever > reason). > So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. Because > people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever > was your reason to do so... > > And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than > off-topic postings). > > Rainer > > > ________________________________ > > Von: Michael Billow [mailto:mbillow@gmail.com] > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. November 2008 19:32 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: Silliness and the O-man > > > Er uh, asking myself what? > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar > Straschill wrote: > > > Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking > yourself ;) > > > > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I > recall there was > one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off > Topic) in the h > > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can > avoid those posts. > Why is that not happening? > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_21196_30775126.1225996766670 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK I didn't find your response cute, I mean clearly this thread was already offline, and if I placed OT in the headline  it wouldn't have been seen by the appropriate posters. After a couple days of this, it seems appropriate to speak up about it. Would you rather no one said anything at all?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". Hence,
you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever reason).
So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. Because
people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever
was your reason to do so...

And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than
off-topic postings).

       Rainer


________________________________

       Von: Michael Billow [mailto:mbillow@gmail.com]
       Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. November 2008 19:32
       An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
       Betreff: Re: Silliness and the O-man


       Er uh, asking myself what?


       On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar
Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:


               Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking
yourself ;)


               > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I
recall there was
               one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off
Topic) in the h
               > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can
avoid those posts.
               Why is that not happening?












------=_Part_21196_30775126.1225996766670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:39:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D2493BEE0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1225996778; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=38IyNGIA6Qh2wj73bKrHaTIjXAU=; b=ItsvH5rJdFzocVxVpr9oQ6os+yx2ol0it5iFheRIBRIPjocAs2TgTd///J+XDPPV nEj/25wFdYayeqmpul6qISE4+dJDMWUu1HniglrffSYaMkyvaDWQ0j4nk4hhKBfA; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=iQtDwRwP_zwySL2mD3IA:9 a=kLNJqGK7yvpegWD6FC0A:7 a=LVXtLhxkFcdVtoGTz4x9pIZbHHEA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=tyFau8m7W3IA:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 a=Ne3egc8_jJlkkgTdJuIA:9 a=K_NCoYhkNQdkFHs7rIAA:7 a=Y_YaoojNaIXWWbnQ3Atv7QUGvMIA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003801c9403f$055650f0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: OT: Re: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:39:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002D_01C94015.19913F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:39:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C94015.19913F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correct me if I'm wrong Rainer but you mean put an OT: at the begining = of your subject line so that folks who don't want to read this (mine = inc) drival can filter it out. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Billow=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man Er uh, asking myself what? On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill = wrote: Well, you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself = ;) > I don't know where the moderator is in all this, but as I recall = there was one simple rule: Discuss anything as long as you put OT (Off Topic) = in the h > headline, so that those not wishing to participate can avoid those = posts. Why is that not happening? -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: = 11/6/2008 7:58 AM ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C94015.19913F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Correct me if I'm wrong Rainer but you = mean put an=20 OT: at the begining of your subject line so that folks who don't want to = read=20 this (mine inc) drival can filter it out.
 
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Michael = Billow=20
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Er uh, asking myself what?

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rainer = Thelonius=20 Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de> = wrote:
Well,=20 you can start to get to the bottom of this by asking yourself ;)

> I don't know where the moderator is in = all this,=20 but as I recall there was
one simple rule: Discuss anything as = long as=20 you put OT (Off Topic) in the h
> headline, so that those not = wishing=20 to participate can avoid those posts.
Why is that not=20 = happening?







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------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C94015.19913F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:49:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF5333BE84; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:49:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=OTlqI47mZfv+i8+eDVVsIp0te/ZpKeMi7gkzZktCfXA=; b=Tj4Y+BIoxjr4z1Ud8vEOEdu6Zp0oy2/3DGlAea6ccoFgl4c/g30ESKSD2Gr0lUN3t5 XyvAH6ZLmAIKZxWrnVdaiNp/edEPI4DtBXGizyVRTStqs8aaHu2KxKmxht4YE+lXUvc1 pzMlp2bQIAl3fvO2pHI0M5qAvVqKDKCRCSuNQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UBuFVC1PgTTG4ldCC0ZuwXzt28CKrouLwLvHGQ5k1vIXcy5hBBYQfemSuz5ifJzuKg XCaElo8N1jdIEF7fO4iyCRWEWfVlD4NcagLtA4ghvtf8q6cUpwyjROm9c9oZ+W07C1U/ JWCWS03GY0nj16KVl6oJgbkTTmuGEef5nsxXA= Message-ID: <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:49:08 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36997_32593719.1225997348946" References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 109d25132684d0b1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:49:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36997_32593719.1225997348946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So if something like it has been done before it's not experimental? If someone just-tunes a piano, it's not experimental because LaMonte Young did it 40 years ago? I guess I understand, it's become so mainstream since then... I remember 25 years ago thinking - "they should keep the experiments in the lab, and only release or perform it for the public when the results show success" (how that's measured is another story). I'm not sure i agree with that still, but i'm not sure i don't. Warren ------=_Part_36997_32593719.1225997348946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So if something like it has been done before it's not experimental? If someone just-tunes a piano, it's not experimental because LaMonte Young did it 40 years ago? I guess I understand, it's become so mainstream since then...

I remember 25 years ago thinking - "they should keep the experiments in the lab, and only release or perform it for the public when the results show success" (how that's measured is another story).

I'm not sure i agree with that still, but i'm not sure i don't.

Warren
------=_Part_36997_32593719.1225997348946-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 18:57:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12943BE79; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=d/9RaSjAJyNl8C+9JnQLgWRtcYhpkUJ2vziek+gOo0A=; b=bCCOJTHxOEu1KFJP7SjYwnn1tGQeAtd/6bkioTaG0XqdWReHv3+RvgpNKYtvo6A2Y8 uaYj60rCif/wGF15gKUTCXMIZ8ysQXYHN9jkp4KjgbVpmSxLuwjSBc96/MSX40UhOJC3 sY5+oTL36ma962wTVNdp8s/lkYobhFRj+XSC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=v1Pk1FRhOuZx2NIVBJPwZkWoq8YyOqpn6kJOM69/jLA7jhULScozILGn7imdDBFOTs hCpp+T5o7OaH1NfqtzLHDOAbwOgssxgSG0jrf4pQciSx/En6HsAlPUjWB1mAU2JlBbJL P534hdSUcBuVa7L7KMbtLuWMVrgG1zEve65es= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 10:57:04 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19146_10466435.1225997824523" References: <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:57:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19146_10466435.1225997824523 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "Experimental" can/has become a bit of a marketing term, while still functioning as an accurate adjective in some situations. I'm reminded of arguments I've heard regarding who "invented" prepared piano, and is thus (the argument goes) a Visionary Genius. If next year previously unheard recordings of someone from the 20's doing prepared piano surfaces, I don't think it really diminishes the more familiar "well-known" examples. TH On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > So if something like it has been done before it's not experimental? If > someone just-tunes a piano, it's not experimental because LaMonte Young did > it 40 years ago? I guess I understand, it's become so mainstream since > then... > > I remember 25 years ago thinking - "they should keep the experiments in the > lab, and only release or perform it for the public when the results show > success" (how that's measured is another story). > > ------=_Part_19146_10466435.1225997824523 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "Experimental" can/has become a bit of a marketing term, while still functioning as an accurate adjective in some situations.

I'm reminded of arguments I've heard regarding who "invented" prepared piano, and is thus (the argument goes) a Visionary Genius.  If next year previously unheard recordings of someone from the 20's doing prepared piano surfaces, I don't think it really diminishes the more familiar "well-known" examples.

TH

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
So if something like it has been done before it's not experimental? If someone just-tunes a piano, it's not experimental because LaMonte Young did it 40 years ago? I guess I understand, it's become so mainstream since then...

I remember 25 years ago thinking - "they should keep the experiments in the lab, and only release or perform it for the public when the results show success" (how that's measured is another story).


------=_Part_19146_10466435.1225997824523-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FE3F3BE97; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=SWkAnIKKpZYsiWlXG3Ec639xEvOzS8qzfCgaA1ixMRs=; b=R+Qffyi0lXJplrvxk2wqLd/I7GPfx1FqoBHL1aJVnT5dfLRVrHRFSvFg7FjMpp5BLd f+bhsQPf1KS3KwoQKdie5MyN3XTuO/lnmfv4gOZIT/aSfwPUEV+8qc71mOfVpxKPz1aR WJmDIocHJ4Wv2H86PjckYcFE/0b2oXkKS5c0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=BiH6/rNRIDt9KX5sEWI/2FcZBN/vsNqU/blgL7RZ3nXIeACaZ52JDqfS4O9Uglmlzl vcfktXxtsHiyZSk9WbszENoBbJEfsDjWT7chqfp+FqjW0wRXI5RwEsOudhiqI3EDC/Yf ZKSGmtxW2Eyhcl174z1TiT/Dr9Vir2x5wbB3c= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:07:37 -0800 From: slam234@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Silliness and the O-man MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:07:39 +0000 (UTC) His post was On-Topic since he was pointing out the rules/guidelines of the group. Thats pretty relevant to everybody. I agree that if people want to discuss these topics thats cool, just show consideration by starting the thread with OT and NOT CHANGING THE SUBJECT LINE. It would be helpful if possible, if moderators could remind people of this from time to time and not let these threads get so out of control. Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: ..Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". Hence, you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever reason). So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. Because people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever was your reason to do so... And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than off-topic postings). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:09:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83C123BE91; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=arNMWy4k0WQ1rubbMrrNAAaqeHcJP3LHDtEswOxu8XeHlBeRs6ZmhncEGzWg6AcdeOGtyjuOShVasUL1TKGf3SYFfRCZr27AqdsDi0HCmLFE8BxDM9EsQ6Dbf+d4MhB0RfQ7RgHqS2NUzSvyZSmA73yRnqgMrGxlj0Cac0Rqkv8= ; X-YMail-OSG: BvURd8oVM1m89o48mwgzSX2qmQNbeP65jX11bIJdnHUmTK5m8RnJ5qTElJP638o.vVIDuY1EaQEPrY.fNO9THzFUyU4jIzWEbzdchfApU0HDr.aN2RqaVTQTc.U69s9oh2.Jy5gdVDlPLJC6sVF.dkBXCMNO9V3c4_oRvUNn6EFWDx3DhGM1D8GlMwlwrTjFxizaR5vEP6PRwL4- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <000701c94043$233da9c0$0601a8c0@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:09:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:09:07 +0000 (UTC) Lads, please grow up. It's embarrasing. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:07 PM Subject: Silliness and the O-man > His post was On-Topic since he was pointing out the rules/guidelines > of the group. Thats pretty relevant to everybody. I agree that if > people want to discuss these topics thats cool, just show > consideration by starting the thread with OT and NOT CHANGING THE > SUBJECT LINE. It would be helpful if possible, if moderators could > remind people of this from time to time and not let these threads get > so out of control. > > Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > ..Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". > Hence, > you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever > reason). > So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. > Because > people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever > was your reason to do so... > > And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than > off-topic postings). > > Rainer > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 > 7:58 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303C63BEB2; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LFj1210Z7E0ibsLQxs+ycNh3TPmH2unEFa/oMreVFD6xfmsrv73FaUaq3Fuaepfs613C9WDXz1/JOhxIWWPlStMSltd8B90DeL+NgYx+0gn3ZIqni6eb0LZsm7/eurRqcm4/I2w8VQEP0ffvF12NrKwAyT0dfI3WL0jryAWQaEg=; X-YMail-OSG: qKrvfQcVM1mgjItqXJI0TGcfbdeabJ_BWOepr8TBJHepQvLpLSeBLrV943ZQYz1QsTjOmdqhWev34y57AlVdMR83eJMdTZQByPlicRFC497dSNpRZ7HFmQBdh_O1.su4ZeHtnMZzIxoBARdtilCy3aVD1.OgX1X_RzQEIuk- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:12:45 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <101216.95384.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Why get hung up on a term? Academia might have a narrow definition of "Experimental Music" but unless you are performing for academic audiences, who really cares? BTW, all of academia is likely not in agreement on what constitues "Experimental". If you go to Berklee, Mills, University of Miami, University of North Texas, etc. they are all likely to have differing notions of what it means. Many years ago, I studied "Experimental Music Composition" under Herbert Brun at the University of Illinois. I'm still trying to figure out what all of that meant. Let's just say, there weren't a whole lot of notes being played or put to paper. But the experience defeinitely influenced (warped?) me. I believe we are all of our own best references for this type of questions. If YOU think it's experimental, then it is. If some critic wants to then write you off as somehow not being so, then listen to their criticism, evaluate it for any value, and move on. I don' think it's such a big deal. I should also add that such labels are only not for ourselves, but for our audience. It's a way of setting up expectations. So two sets of labesl are appropite. To myself, I think of what I do as "Classical New Age Surf Jazz" (or smethng along those lines). But if I tell others about it, I probably just cal it "Electronic Guitar". I might even get away with "Progressive/Experimental Electronic Guitar". -George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:16:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7234E3BEBA; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gnalxs7pN457nJ2tIIAmiACq7C1wxwW8+mR0dFy+3JnI0D2nJUDC5U7SKbqgMwJmEVIPKFmLM2ubU6rBMZxPg/Tzw8jE4ObdtQO1lJcC1IusRc38KgXZuit7Rvv/CQx56REMlHD6IseWHahuYBEpdWIJu871pbHb6din08H1GMg= ; X-YMail-OSG: .LUe9AQVM1npieIDk3OHa0wBf8ONmh7SlY0LqEE2wbOPrEQWP1iS3Y8U78uUTNGdBR1_Iqtjljm9e0n8NlGJiCV1whNBtrt_A7zseI8sCtsEu5qnAX8rLxYOZAzV3TmCyM3zISRwo7qcZAQJtXStWBrCqYRzR4qqsAlT_sJLX2_4PM51nTWL3IuQJIK0GdVj0fdho2LW04Hj7vQ- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002201c94044$2fc01100$0601a8c0@Studio> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101216.95384.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Maybe it's fair to say that the music one creates is "experimental" when they are challenging their own set of limitations? But then, you could attach the label "progressive" to that, also. :o) Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Ludwig" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:12 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? > Why get hung up on a term? Academia might have a narrow definition of > "Experimental Music" but unless you are performing for academic audiences, > who really cares? BTW, all of academia is likely not in agreement on what > constitues "Experimental". If you go to Berklee, Mills, University of > Miami, University of North Texas, etc. they are all likely to have > differing notions of what it means. > > Many years ago, I studied "Experimental Music Composition" under Herbert > Brun at the University of Illinois. I'm still trying to figure out what > all of that meant. Let's just say, there weren't a whole lot of notes > being played or put to paper. But the experience defeinitely influenced > (warped?) me. > > I believe we are all of our own best references for this type of > questions. If YOU think it's experimental, then it is. If some critic > wants to then write you off as somehow not being so, then listen to their > criticism, evaluate it for any value, and move on. I don' think it's such > a big deal. > > I should also add that such labels are only not for ourselves, but for our > audience. It's a way of setting up expectations. So two sets of labesl are > appropite. To myself, I think of what I do as "Classical New Age Surf > Jazz" (or smethng along those lines). But if I tell others about it, I > probably just cal it "Electronic Guitar". I might even get away with > "Progressive/Experimental Electronic Guitar". > > -George > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 > 7:58 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:16:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6A63BEC4; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+AANqVM41snPXQbX4u5yucCMXdB7aA7MZsX2xlQb2S4=; b=No+87rGMPKavM9Sn1tjFRhSG3s5105HMLXNsEPAgalpTLTq2wTvlmMiXXcXlSUVY3y 8ND9lchS6ZHOa0NZXBGPS0gew+pzSopkf8ChFlVn0yk0yiDrkjPPcS5t4fFfooAYa1RX 1ofxGFmdUaU3AaZVjDhqaga6mWFiZTtFiOwXU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U4lXR105nGlZtx7mb4BOAgSHIFQQoyQiO4hqCYGvay+cBW+7VZ6xlKVVa0OOTmAC9b Xf6vpRRaB8iU9uVhmGyXy62P7S4Q54PpmXax49JmfegO68uYNOeVHjNTzgBgJ0MiKM9m 41KrY+T1uoKGqF+zdy3eKtVBxdGUUmeaQDAfo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:40 +0000 From: "Daniel Hegarty" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Echoplex In-Reply-To: <57B62B98-4233-488C-9531-CD247EFAE7D6@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46156_19476610.1225999000154" References: <3DCD3F9A-9916-4C02-B19F-232E6FD17D63@gmail.com> <49A4CFEE-1D49-455A-9C16-2102454A1981@gmail.com> <98856251-0158-433B-8A4A-99E9AD6F70B3@gmail.com> <447CE1C0-78BC-4B62-9B6A-7F6D7524CE67@atarde.com.br> <57B62B98-4233-488C-9531-CD247EFAE7D6@atarde.com.br> Resent-Message-ID: <0EIfE.A.J1G.ZK0EJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:16:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_46156_19476610.1225999000154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey all! Just wanted to let you know that the wonder of Loopers Delight has prevailed and I now have a functioning Echoplex! Turns our the CODEC had died, but there's a shiny new one in it's place now. Many thanks to you all for the help and advice, and a special thank you to Andy SE for being a genius and fixing it for me. I'm off to ruin music for everybody..... ;) Daniel On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Daniel Hegarty wrote: > > Guys, > Firstly just to say thanks so much for all the help, i've never seen > anything like this level of support for a broken piece of gear anywhere > else! > > > you know, the addict always form support groups and feel compassion if > brothers drug is down :-) > LOL > the anonymous loopers ! > > > Unfortunately my woes continue! So I've re-seated all the SIMMS and EPROMS > and it seems i've solved one issue while creating another! Now when i go > into test mode and output the 60hz test signal, it works perfectly, no > static or distortion whatsoever. But i'm now caught in the boot-up loop with > the LOOP IV text just going round and round. > > Matthias mentioned a square chip, but I can't see one on the board. There's > a square metal covering that may contain it underneath but I don't know how > I would safely remove the covering. Could anyone point me to this square > chip or how i might go about removing the cover (if i need to!). > > > yes, I forgot that there is a cap over said chip region, in the newer > versions (due to CE test) > probably not very easy to remove, I never had to do it, I don't have such a > new unit. > but dont bother to put it back in place, its just some little radiation, > will not affect sound... > oh, and its under the left cover, I feel. ;-) > > > Again, thanks so much! Really unbelievable. > > > yes, really... I have been off list for years, but there always have been > helpful and lovely souls on this list... and sometimes it cooked, emotions, > insights... improvisers you know... :-) > > youhou, I am codependent! > > > Daniel > > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 19:06, Matthias Grob wrote: > > this means that the processor and most of the digital part runsand > possibly the CODEC does not (the other square chip) > it starts up at one crystal frequency and then switches to the other at the > end of the loop circus, which is when your crashes now. > > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:50, Daniel Hegarty wrote: > > Hey Matthias, > Thanks for you fast reply! > > Unfortunately things have gone from bad to worse. I knocked on all the > chips and gently manipulated the board but nothing seemed to make a > difference. When I put it into test mode and generated the 60hz signal its > just a wall of distorted hiss! > > I re-seated all the EPROMS without any difficulty, and they've all sat in > nicely with no bent pins or anything. But..... now when it boots it just > loops around the LOOP IV scrolling on the display and then re-boots again. > It repeats this cycle endlessly! > > Oh dear...... > > Thanks again > Daniel > > > On 7 Oct 2008, at 00:06, Matthias Grob wrote: > > EPROMs have labels on them... any chip on a socket can be lifted a little > (better not take it out completely) with a screwdriver on the side and then > pushed back > its harder with the two square chips, since you can only insert a fine > thing in two corner and the socket may be forced... there is a special tool > for those. > contact spray is another method. > since its working correctly sometimes, a bad contact is quite likely > often it can be produced or "fixed" by just bending the board or hitting on > it in different places (softly drop the back of a screw driver on chips) and > thus aproximate the bad spot\ > > good luck! > and sorry for the confusion > some of the parts went out of fabrication years ago, so "new" is > relative... > Matthias > > > On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:07, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > I can't recall where they are right now. Whenever I had to reseat them, it > was in the process of doing an upgrade, so I was holding the two new EPROMs > in hand, so it was a simple matter to find the two things already on the > board that looked like the new ones. Maybe someone else can chime in with a > diagram, since I'm unable to find one online. > > TH > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Daniel Hegarty < > danielphegarty@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> This will sound stupid but..... which bits are the ERPOMS and how would i >> go about re-seating them? >> Thanks >> D >> >> > > > > > > ------=_Part_46156_19476610.1225999000154 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey all!

Just wanted to let you know that the wonder of Loopers Delight has prevailed and I now have a functioning Echoplex! Turns our the CODEC had died, but there's a shiny new one in it's place now.

Many thanks to you all for the help and advice, and a special thank you to Andy SE for being a genius and fixing it for me.

I'm off to ruin music for everybody..... ;)

Daniel

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:49 AM, Matthias Grob <matilists@atarde.com.br> wrote:

On 7 Oct 2008, at 19:47, Daniel Hegarty wrote:

Guys,

Firstly just to say thanks so much for all the help, i've never seen anything like this level of support for a broken piece of gear anywhere else!

you know, the addict always form support groups and feel compassion if brothers drug is down :-)
LOL
the anonymous loopers !

Unfortunately my woes continue! So I've re-seated all the SIMMS and EPROMS and it seems i've solved one issue while creating another! Now when i go into test mode and output the 60hz test signal, it works perfectly, no static or distortion whatsoever. But i'm now caught in the boot-up loop with the LOOP IV text just going round and round.

Matthias mentioned a square chip, but I can't see one on the board. There's a square metal covering that may contain it underneath but I don't know how I would safely remove the covering. Could anyone point me to this square chip or how i might go about removing the cover (if i need to!).

yes, I forgot that there is a cap over said chip region, in the newer versions (due to CE test)
probably not very easy to remove, I never had to do it, I don't have such a new unit. 
but dont bother to put it back in place, its just some little radiation, will not affect sound...
oh, and its under the left cover, I feel. ;-)


Again, thanks so much! Really unbelievable.

yes, really... I have been off list for years, but there always have been helpful and lovely souls on this list... and sometimes it cooked, emotions, insights... improvisers you know... :-)

youhou, I am codependent!

Daniel


On 7 Oct 2008, at 19:06, Matthias Grob wrote:

this means that the processor and most of the digital part runs
and possibly the CODEC does not (the other square chip)
it starts up at one crystal frequency and then switches to the other at the end of the loop circus, which is when your crashes now.


On 7 Oct 2008, at 07:50, Daniel Hegarty wrote:

Hey Matthias,

Thanks for you fast reply!

Unfortunately things have gone from bad to worse. I knocked on all the chips and gently manipulated the board but nothing seemed to make a difference. When I put it into test mode and generated the 60hz signal its just a wall of distorted hiss!

I re-seated all the EPROMS without any difficulty, and they've all sat in nicely with no bent pins or anything. But..... now when it boots it just loops around the LOOP IV scrolling on the display and then re-boots again. It repeats this cycle endlessly!

Oh dear......

Thanks again
Daniel


On 7 Oct 2008, at 00:06, Matthias Grob wrote:

EPROMs have labels on them... 
any chip on a socket can be lifted a little (better not take it out completely) with a screwdriver on the side and then pushed back
its harder with the two square chips, since you can only insert a fine thing in two corner and the socket may be forced... there is a special tool for those.
contact spray is another method.
since its working correctly sometimes, a bad contact is quite likely
often it can be produced or "fixed" by just bending the board or hitting on it in different places (softly drop the back of a screw driver on chips) and thus aproximate the bad spot\

good luck!
and sorry for the confusion
some of the parts went out of fabrication years ago, so "new" is relative...
Matthias


On 6 Oct 2008, at 19:07, Travis Hartnett wrote:

I can't recall where they are right now.  Whenever I had to reseat them, it was in the process of doing an upgrade, so I was holding the two new EPROMs in hand, so it was a simple matter to find the two things already on the board that looked like the new ones.  Maybe someone else can chime in with a diagram, since I'm unable to find one online.

TH

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Daniel Hegarty <danielphegarty@googlemail.com> wrote:
This will sound stupid but..... which bits are the ERPOMS and how would i go about re-seating them?

Thanks
D








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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:18:38 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:18:43 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > "Experimental" can/has become a bit of a marketing term, while > still functioning as an accurate adjective in some situations. The distinction is between "ground-breaking" and something that is "outside the conventional". Experimental seems to have an implication of more vigorous transgression of "standards". As a marketing term, experimental as a category appears to suggest something more interesting than "merely" unconventional. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:33:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E373BEC1; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=/ZfjqWAdnhCSMre2fIi+7/abNXVd1Di2Ba3KijbYe+g=; b=DYvneJskeEHJoMOoVCdc5WPG7ucp+3KM+WmpteXcQJKJaPGZw8elkiacmW5xmOiasA Sc1rSWplN3cTQU4UuYazaC1n5FPHKBLjc9lUUV4oGbX5Xl1c6JE98Qx6fKZ71yqDQ9KF 73KU1OZKNfxVagt+LOBYNPGHgSkLSA80Sbz8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=CzCkLc+3YYeOYiZV2amwyxTRmZZdvwK10spNCxw8wUzMnnl3i1KdgiyOfTTdvdNIhB 96Qa/S78TYgrBYAIfP0IaP0q0RBIG+xxwd9/QQWWVWpkrUgIc0/o6JxLy/Fmci99Hdm2 CCBPnBljYcxyc79AvQg5c/B67dxeJ3N/P5dDI= Message-ID: <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:33:00 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37902_697622.1225999980399" References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3b3ecb1ee66db3ce Resent-Message-ID: <7kLhSB.A.dZH.sZ0EJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:33:01 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37902_697622.1225999980399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would say "experimental" is more of a loose descriptor than marketing term. For marketing purposes, i'm guessing that in most contexts, "experimental" = "kiss of death" it's more of an anti-marketing term. BTW, George, as a marketing term, I'd imagine "Classical New Age Surf Jazz" would be far, far more effective than "Electronic Guitar". even better would be to just call it "Classical Surf Guitar". I'd buy the tix immediately. I think for marketing, the accuracy of the the description is less important than the imagery it evokes. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:18 PM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > > "Experimental" can/has become a bit of a marketing term, while still >> functioning as an accurate adjective in some situations. >> > > > The distinction is between "ground-breaking" and something that is "outside > the conventional". > > Experimental seems to have an implication of more vigorous transgression of > "standards". > > As a marketing term, experimental as a category appears to suggest > something more interesting than "merely" unconventional. > > ------=_Part_37902_697622.1225999980399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I would say "experimental" is more of a loose descriptor than marketing term. For marketing purposes, i'm guessing that in most contexts, "experimental"  = "kiss of death"

it's more of an anti-marketing term.

BTW, George, as a marketing term, I'd imagine "Classical New Age Surf Jazz" would be far, far more effective than "Electronic Guitar". even better would be to just call it "Classical Surf Guitar". I'd buy the tix immediately.

I think for marketing, the accuracy of the the description is less important than the imagery it evokes.



On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 2:18 PM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:57 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

"Experimental" can/has become a bit of a marketing term, while still functioning as an accurate adjective in some situations.


The distinction is between "ground-breaking" and something that is "outside the conventional".

Experimental seems to have an implication of more vigorous transgression of "standards".

As a marketing term, experimental as a category appears to suggest something more interesting than "merely" unconventional.


 
------=_Part_37902_697622.1225999980399-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 19:56:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BD83BEA0; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=JPJSLiI+cEEPS6zjpHJpza75wXCLJSGNC3lE9T+a/H4=; b=ceoBWlfo0F6swO9va9XhiudNbx+i9ubKg4IbyqUiZSpXSK22TIM6a+Njq9NHw0U7Do eMM7Yu3VjrvpEbez/SnHbaY1MV5PwRPOZmaMbijHRSYWI59OAZMXZglT+VwJfK28vvPY iKNUwJ6TyeHca+q25yhYal0OLbEq3WzxbD8Xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oXDfLi/m0ptccgH6/0lg+QXb6IySUUdpfSal6ypCrhuCdAgE/F9KAj8Znh2sMbArsE bhz7tCqAdZtbPrt6rXyu9oTtd+xa7ST6/f/r7GT6b961BeUW7YHQPacJDTHji7ctEkdM seTZNLJWXMz460Ivv61YuUB+rMkjxkkExSkN8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 11:56:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 19:56:05 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 6, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > i'm guessing that in most contexts, "experimental" = "kiss of death" That is certainly my experience. :-) BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 20:53:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708353BE99; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: OT: Traynor amp's Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:53:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c94051$bebbd800$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <264344.39642.qm@web34305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: eir 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:53:42 +0000 (UTC) > ditch wrestler wrote: > I had a Traynor amp a while back for my gee-tar and it was good. > The general mentions I've heard & read (and I'll agree with) is that they're good sound, > reliability, and quality but they're not great and they don't impart a typical "sound", > i.e., Marshall, Vox, Fender. In that regard, they're almost Peavey-like Thanks for reply. 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--0-1815729577-1226004967=:20201-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 21:09:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8390D3BE94; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:09:01 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <3BEFFBA9E0614FD7AA3E3D82340DAC86@eluk1> Message-ID: <20081106210901.256890@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002001c93f6d$0ac927b0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <3BEFFBA9E0614FD7AA3E3D82340DAC86@eluk1> Subject: Re: UNSUSCRIBE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+rtcp9cOerab3lpUfFGLzOXIRKy+qwA/xeuTnI5R zWU4Z02YG5ioeBdjfnP+Xd0sfOHGPZaocZBA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 1W4qfGIpeWUoUsF6iHRzijcxU3U4N8/5 X-FuHaFi: 0.79 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:09:11 +0000 (UTC) I second Rainer's comment: Discuss anything you like - within reasonable boundaries, without insulting anyone - but please mark it "OT". thanks Buzap -- GMX Download-Spiele: Preizsturz! Alle Puzzle-Spiele Deluxe über 60% billiger. http://games.entertainment.gmx.net/de/entertainment/games/download/puzzle/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 21:17:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 226543BEA6; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:17:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <004801c93f72$77445b80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <8CD8A94A766B40ED93F07B610F758950@eluk1> <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 14:17:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9401A.72BBAFC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2008 21:17:52.0327 (UTC) FILETIME=[20C9E570:01C94055] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:17:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9401A.72BBAFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...stays in the bedroom and is private. :) Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C9401A.72BBAFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...stays in the bedroom and is private. = :)
 
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Lads, please grow up.= It's embarrasing.


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(http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_c0d.40147f59.3644b94b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 21:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D538C3BE98; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0laeucnXnVILp4tCChYA:9 a=t4eGn51SL70IwF8WQ1QpX73Okp0A:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:51:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) What's Experimental [music]? I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 21:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7C33BEA9; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=ptmd6I7MgcWgp9T0yPrbD1bRYOOIq6AU6AH4CwV7f2U=; b=ImN4MgvtYGWElEuUQiEmbTY99gJEnurdrJGt7DLVCZTbH9Ya38o89qu+K3Dg/xy72L Hc/3NrcW5qrqWIqVgJLtHKAXixNR46saQbhc85yf6fwRJ51qP9qeUlzE3n9bPNRdJd9T CpmvNa4EUyYELgot1fbuxDk3GZIu8nqefhC5Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=bJtCVfxKLIU6Yq9J6Jv35Z40Pdrb9h535SvbbaxSN8T3WkoykteQ/RNXUlWZ3Ldn6H hZaYvHXvWoxFcaCt5I1VspUULPYG02/vtHH8DXM+IJGwlRWr8ymJb166jDtYZ6YRATQv vDbUyJte3+xsYq0N2JIwuy5BeMoffMBqDv6rY= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 13:51:58 -0800 From: slam234@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man UNSUBSCRIBE MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 21:51:59 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Lads, please grow up. It's embarrasing. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: >> His post was On-Topic since he was pointing out the rules/guidelines >> of the group. Thats pretty relevant to everybody. I agree that if >> people want to discuss these topics thats cool, just show >> consideration by starting the thread with OT and NOT CHANGING THE >> SUBJECT LINE. It would be helpful if possible, if moderators could >> remind people of this from time to time and not let these threads get >> so out of control. >> >> Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: >> >> ..Your mail was not in any way "discussing loops and loop based music". >> Hence, >> you would've to put "OT" in the headline, but didn't (for whichever >> reason). >> So that's the exact reason why this happens. Because people forget. >> Because >> people consider stuff which is clearly off-topic as on-topic. Or whatever >> was your reason to do so... >> >> And btw, using HTML is also strongly discouraged (even more so than >> off-topic postings). >> >> Rainer >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1771 - Release Date: 11/6/2008 >> 7:58 AM >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 23:22:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 253753BE79; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo05 X-RZG-AUTH: :O2kGeEG7b/pSsUC2QnG/iJWQHiiXBZHq74zxWWR9pHotnXOQVcSBMvFTm2/n Message-ID: From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: What's experimental? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:22:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.4133 Thread-Index: Ack/dZiO2BR6yv3lSf6+u+0l9o9xkwA7AYyg Resent-Message-ID: <8N77IB.A.bKH.8w3EJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:22:37 +0000 (UTC) So...again, I'm going to try the analytical approach, and comment on some posts as I go (and I hope you authors pardon me for not specifically mentioning you there): It's interesting if we look first at what wikipedia has to say about it ("it" being "experimental music": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music "Experimental music is a term introduced by composer John Cage in 1955. According to Cage's definition, "an experimental action is one the outcome of which is not foreseen" " and furthermore (paraphrasing here): Michael Nyman used the term to describe American composers as opposed to the European avant-garde at the time. According to David Nicholls, avant-garde is at the extreme of the tradition, while experimental lies outside of it. So we have more or less three different definitions: (1) music for which the outcome is not foreseen (Cage) (2) odd music from America (Nyman) (3) music which has no relation to tradition (Nicholls) Not very helpful here...so I looked at wikipedia's definition of "experiment": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment "An experiment is defined, in science, as a method of investigating less known fields, solving practical problems and proving theoretical assumptions." Of these three parts, I don't understand what is meant by the second one in this context, but I can well understand the first and the third one and agree with them also in our musical context. It's again nice to see that only Cage's use of the word "experimental" in musical context has any relation whatsoever to the meaning of "experiment" and is such somehow valid etymologically. So how to apply that to our discussion? Ted said: "If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything sounds more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo." Hey, that works with the Cage definition. In both cases, the outcome is foreseen. Jeff said: "I call it experimental but the music and technique are old school and nothing new. What is experimental for me in this instance is the video itself because I am trying new things. Even that is experimental only to me because the effects that I am experimenting with are tried and true stock stuff." Obviously, you couldn't foresee the outcome here, so yes, experimental! And now Warren: "i thought the operational defn was simply "music no-one likes". " This is a little bit trickier. Now I have the theory that the majority of people want to have predictable things in their lives. So if we replace "no-one likes" with "the majority does not like" (and I think you implied that), then that definition fits (if my theory is correct). However, it is important to see that this definition does only work in one direction, as we clearly can see from Ted's next post, where he goes on about people saying: "3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an experimental musician." So obviously, while experimental music is music no-one likes, music no-one likes is not necessarily experimental. (Btw I think it was you, Ted, who had that great sig saying something like "Different is not always better, but better is always different") Now another thing from Daryl: "If the goal is to genuinely try out something new that you have not done before, I call that experimenting, hence experimental." - which also fits with the Cage definition, btw. So obviously, it first of all matters that nobody knows what will happen (which makes doing it a lot easier, because you do not always find completely new approaches). But still with that in mind, I believe it is necessary to define some kind of threshold, which of course then is completely subjective. (For example, if I do something completely conventional, like perform Beethoven's op.110, which thousands of pianists have done before, a string might break, which I did not foresee). Finally, in my own music: it stays experimental for some time, until I get used to it, then I do something new. What I did at this year's Boise Experimental Music Festival was experimental, because I had no idea how the combination of playing trombone (which I haven't been doing since 2001) with a new configuration of my laptop setup would sound and develop. Rainer (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 23:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E8D83BE87; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:38:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xu1t1Mz6sGpB6XijUvxDZZZgThrHOYhpoyW71vaew5k=; b=M51M8YJwAmTCRROFXP4GUwVHETuA0Y4Ow7fQpTq2asyJj8Yp+pUAYVv1+FFz8JTfgh CRIBBvKu4abx+w96MzKKEJCYQRAlAe+FLu6tVMfz0Fm3S9XPhJP4t6IYz++kCESqarZA M8/n0VYvq7gv40+QFS3+1d+A47Qs/pbXsd2qA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=j/9RSZeC/0ZzFonP2pCQfs6/KcF+/1e6+rAa/4C65fVUaHsy2dMl5TJQ6TAA+go2i8 SxJ3ZyQ/TsHd8i4/Bz3MHVyGzasElkTVNjvlatLe4xhtCfsOY6s8A8hrB1yamuKTqgna xg9Q5thGzcFNu7Lqi/nG6VXvUunQHEUBhuLJs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811061538g67440a5bs347c67ccaf7126cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:38:18 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:38:19 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!) > That was a good summing up, RAiner! Enjoyed reading it. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 6 23:50:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7AEA3BE84; Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=FOAp42Pka9cbyhMMJF+ZtGPqu4yIPjGgQ7ZKa3taMPo=; b=YpRyZBlxdcRO1Z2jDB96HLixU9pNOrRWXHooiLKktCztcrPjLxUTiQKgG4/laxY8QU HyC3q22HFIq+RSrc1sxAesqRXApLaublnei7v6iUtB8mKLuD50CMu4xahCVffeuZkmsA DbAAc2zZIgfl+pmiVC71aRbmK29p0PbN3V7cc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=d4urnDlB8cae3RIQ6dpf/pxot+uHo1p4HRdMRhRzXKn46F4fbGYaHoDExSmpTPGdfG NfYLR0UHKqksQ9GxslZjscD6IgJV9JKQPCYeMLCEx9cAeU2mpN0ZGrNDHQHqLhiRwaBj TGESCoU9HkaXkTYZkUi06uRLYntcBwPB1m9kM= Message-ID: <101191640811061550i68a47d0egfe3eaf59f5d7e828@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 18:50:14 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811061538g67440a5bs347c67ccaf7126cd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41514_4616142.1226015414061" References: <101191640811051037l3bb5eed5v96e4671227627e8e@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811061538g67440a5bs347c67ccaf7126cd@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 044d14366b492596 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:50:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41514_4616142.1226015414061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rainer, I love it. And of course you interpreted my statement correctly. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!) > > > > > That was a good summing up, RAiner! Enjoyed reading it. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > ------=_Part_41514_4616142.1226015414061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rainer, I love it. And of course you interpreted my statement correctly.

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:22 AM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:
>
> (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!)
>


That was a good summing up, RAiner! Enjoyed reading it.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com


------=_Part_41514_4616142.1226015414061-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 00:02:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7755E3BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_acf25fe7-b35f-49a7-a5c4-88e0da9d5033_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.57.70] From: samba - To: Subject: Experimental Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 16:02:48 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081106191641.BBB293BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081106191641.BBB293BED0@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2008 00:02:49.0009 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BABBA10:01C9406C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) --_acf25fe7-b35f-49a7-a5c4-88e0da9d5033_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Experimental=2Cin whatever field of activity=2C means the perpetrator i= s trying something out to see what will happen.=20 If 'What if? isn't part of the approach=2C I probably wouldn't consider= it experimental. Of course I don=3Bt necessarily know what the perp=2Cor p= erps as the case may be =2Care thinking. Part of my aesthetic for art is we= ther the artist effectively employs the materials in pursuit of what they s= eem to be attempting. 'Succesful' and . 'I like it' are two unrelated qualities. Discerning the artists intent can = be quite difficut=2Cbut I think if a work is succesful =2Cthe intent is at = least partly clear. I also go in for experimental listening --_acf25fe7-b35f-49a7-a5c4-88e0da9d5033_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B =3B =3B Experimental=2Cin whatever field of activity=2C me= ans the perpetrator is trying something out =3B to see what will happen= .
 =3B If 'What =3B if? isn't part of the approach=2C I =3B= probably wouldn't consider it experimental. Of course I don=3Bt necessaril= y know what the perp=2Cor perps as the case may be =2Care thinking. Part of= my aesthetic for art is wether the artist effectively employs the material= s in pursuit of what they seem to be attempting. 'Succesful' and .
'I li= ke it' are two unrelated qualities. Discerning the artists intent can be qu= ite difficut=2Cbut I think if a work is succesful =2Cthe intent is at least= partly clear.
 =3B  =3B I also go in for experimental listening=
= --_acf25fe7-b35f-49a7-a5c4-88e0da9d5033_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 00:05:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79A503BE8D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:05:45 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 023F625700094E023F63A4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:05:54 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: AW: What's experimental? > So...again, I'm going to try the analytical approach, and comment on some > posts as I go (and I hope you authors pardon me for not specifically > mentioning you there): > > It's interesting if we look first at what wikipedia has to say about it > ("it" being "experimental music": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music > > "Experimental music is a term introduced by composer John Cage in 1955. > According to Cage's definition, "an experimental action is one the outcome > of which is not foreseen" " > > and furthermore (paraphrasing here): > Michael Nyman used the term to describe American composers as opposed to > the > European avant-garde at the time. > > According to David Nicholls, avant-garde is at the extreme of the > tradition, > while experimental lies outside of it. > > So we have more or less three different definitions: > (1) music for which the outcome is not foreseen (Cage) > (2) odd music from America (Nyman) > (3) music which has no relation to tradition (Nicholls) It could be considered that music which has no (apparent or immediately apparent) relation to tradition (by this can I assume you mean 'perochially-educated classic tradition'?), where the outcome is not forseen (as seen in the less-structure-reliant improvisations), might also be considered to be 'odd music from America'. This could be anything but the more musically-educated amongst us might be able to correct it. > Not very helpful here...so I looked at wikipedia's definition of > "experiment": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment > > "An experiment is defined, in science, as a method of investigating less > known fields, solving practical problems and proving theoretical > assumptions." > > Of these three parts, I don't understand what is meant by the second one > in > this context, but I can well understand the first and the third one and > agree with them also in our musical context. > > It's again nice to see that only Cage's use of the word "experimental" in > musical context has any relation whatsoever to the meaning of "experiment" > and is such somehow valid etymologically. So how to apply that to our > discussion? > > Ted said: "If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything sounds > more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. > > If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not > really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo." > > Hey, that works with the Cage definition. In both cases, the outcome is > foreseen. > > Jeff said: > "I call it experimental but the music and technique are old school and > nothing new. What is experimental for me in this instance is the video > itself because I am trying new things. Even that is experimental only to > me because the effects that I am experimenting with are tried and true > stock > > stuff." > > Obviously, you couldn't foresee the outcome here, so yes, experimental! > > And now Warren: > "i thought the operational defn was simply "music no-one likes". " > > This is a little bit trickier. Now I have the theory that the majority of > people want to have predictable things in their lives. So if we replace > "no-one likes" with "the majority does not like" (and I think you implied > that), then that definition fits (if my theory is correct). > > However, it is important to see that this definition does only work in one > direction, as we clearly can see from Ted's next post, where he goes on > about people saying: > "3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an > experimental musician." > > So obviously, while experimental music is music no-one likes, music no-one > likes is not necessarily experimental. > > (Btw I think it was you, Ted, who had that great sig saying something like > "Different is not always better, but better is always different") > > Now another thing from Daryl: > "If the goal is to genuinely try out something new that you have not done > before, I call that experimenting, hence experimental." > - which also fits with the Cage definition, btw. > > So obviously, it first of all matters that nobody knows what will happen > (which makes doing it a lot easier, because you do not always find > completely new approaches). But still with that in mind, I believe it is > necessary to define some kind of threshold, which of course then is > completely subjective. > (For example, if I do something completely conventional, like perform > Beethoven's op.110, which thousands of pianists have done before, a string > might break, which I did not foresee). > > Finally, in my own music: it stays experimental for some time, until I get > used to it, then I do something new. What I did at this year's Boise > Experimental Music Festival was experimental, because I had no idea how > the > combination of playing trombone (which I haven't been doing since 2001) > with > a new configuration of my laptop setup would sound and develop. > > Rainer > > (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!) Thx. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 00:22:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6BE3BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:22:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2008 00:22:43.0504 (UTC) FILETIME=[F3A53300:01C9406E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 00:22:45 +0000 (UTC) that's probably the safest route. Or conversely, some people say that you can tell when music isn't experimental, but saying something is poses more problems. Lot's of fuzzy boundaries, subjective and relative criteria at stake. Definitions like this ought to be set by what assembles naturally as the world's community of experimental music. Sort of like in science. Things work themselves out over time based on dissent and assent, discussion, testing, etc. The experimental music community is out they have a prominent presence with festivals, website, mags, etc...so to some extent they have already provided definition for us, but a working one, not a theoretical one. For me, the term provided enough confusion and ambiguity that I removed it from my festival and changed the name to the Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival. Still uses problematic terms, but easier for me to address. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: What's experimental? > What's Experimental [music]? > > I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 01:47:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955303BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <70d7d7b61717ed1e51eef6d10c47ad4a@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: AW: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 17:47:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, Good response, great discussion. I just wanted to instigate some good musical (and not necessarily=20 political) discussion on the list. I felt bad that earlier on . . . I was afraid folks might think I was=20 being a curmudgeonly old goat about "music" labels It seems like it was taken in the spirit in which I meant it. And we got some pretty good participation. Yeah the sig I used to use on my emails was "Different is not always=20 better, but better is always different". I don't know where exactly I picked that up . . . probably from=20 somebody else on the list. Perhaps I should resurrect it. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Nov 6, 2008, at 3:22 PM, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > So...again, I'm going to try the analytical approach, and comment on=20= > some > posts as I go (and I hope you authors pardon me for not specifically > mentioning you there): > > It's interesting if we look first at what wikipedia has to say about = it > ("it" being "experimental music": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_music > > "Experimental music is a term introduced by composer John Cage in = 1955. > According to Cage's definition, "an experimental action is one the=20 > outcome > of which is not foreseen" " > > and furthermore (paraphrasing here): > Michael Nyman used the term to describe American composers as opposed=20= > to the > European avant-garde at the time. > > According to David Nicholls, avant-garde is at the extreme of the=20 > tradition, > while experimental lies outside of it. > > So we have more or less three different definitions: > (1) music for which the outcome is not foreseen (Cage) > (2) odd music from America (Nyman) > (3) music which has no relation to tradition (Nicholls) > > Not very helpful here...so I looked at wikipedia's definition of > "experiment": > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experiment > > "An experiment is defined, in science, as a method of investigating=20 > less > known fields, solving practical problems and proving theoretical > assumptions." > > Of these three parts, I don't understand what is meant by the second=20= > one in > this context, but I can well understand the first and the third one = and > agree with them also in our musical context. > > It's again nice to see that only Cage's use of the word "experimental"=20= > in > musical context has any relation whatsoever to the meaning of=20 > "experiment" > and is such somehow valid etymologically. So how to apply that to our > discussion? > > Ted said: "If you "make it up as you go along" but still everything=20 > sounds > more-or-less like a 3-minute pop song that's not very experimental. > > If you do the above and add a recursive loop or ebow drone it's not > really any more "experimental" than if you'd added a kazoo." > > Hey, that works with the Cage definition. In both cases, the outcome = is > foreseen. > > Jeff said: > "I call it experimental but the music and technique are old school and > nothing new. What is experimental for me in this instance is the video > itself because I am trying new things. Even that is experimental only=20= > to > me because the effects that I am experimenting with are tried and true=20= > stock > > stuff." > > Obviously, you couldn't foresee the outcome here, so yes, = experimental! > > And now Warren: > "i thought the operational defn was simply "music no-one likes". " > > This is a little bit trickier. Now I have the theory that the majority=20= > of > people want to have predictable things in their lives. So if we = replace > "no-one likes" with "the majority does not like" (and I think you=20 > implied > that), then that definition fits (if my theory is correct). > > However, it is important to see that this definition does only work in=20= > one > direction, as we clearly can see from Ted's next post, where he goes = on > about people saying: > "3) I play music that no one understand or likes . . . so I must be an > experimental musician." > > So obviously, while experimental music is music no-one likes, music=20 > no-one > likes is not necessarily experimental. > > (Btw I think it was you, Ted, who had that great sig saying something=20= > like > "Different is not always better, but better is always different") > > Now another thing from Daryl: > "If the goal is to genuinely try out something new that you have not=20= > done > before, I call that experimenting, hence experimental." > - which also fits with the Cage definition, btw. > > So obviously, it first of all matters that nobody knows what will=20 > happen > (which makes doing it a lot easier, because you do not always find > completely new approaches). But still with that in mind, I believe it=20= > is > necessary to define some kind of threshold, which of course then is > completely subjective. > (For example, if I do something completely conventional, like perform > Beethoven's op.110, which thousands of pianists have done before, a=20 > string > might break, which I did not foresee). > > Finally, in my own music: it stays experimental for some time, until I=20= > get > used to it, then I do something new. What I did at this year's Boise > Experimental Music Festival was experimental, because I had no idea=20 > how the > combination of playing trombone (which I haven't been doing since=20 > 2001) with > a new configuration of my laptop setup would sound and develop. > > Rainer > > (sorry, got rather long-winded. All hail Cage!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 03:37:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9865B3BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226029074; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=hAftivdHP3uHjCtQ5c6wLlYkPt4=; b=LsT4rq81k0nl1tay2ACEOloW0mRaMgCpjP+JcdT3pjlNtZuMs7DnQ575qHFlvCIm C5lrx9SGWGWeY//HmIFGVDOamLU2r8jBd/WL/aeemIBZ0yyJMa6IBLMASmEvOs8t; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=nEJoZ4RnAAAA:8 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Mq76YqYehpWe40J2oVEA:9 a=x1jrMC_YgA9G97uAClIA:7 a=PW2q-UJd8bdLayV6-N0MG3Pp4m8A:4 a=rZftM7ydEjMA:10 a=1BeEXqUnHnUA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=Nr7Pmq0tdocA:10 a=P0bMSdRJKroA:10 a=5gonZybyozlmtMwNFmgA:9 a=Eye9giQtfqaHLIRjacUA:7 a=Wr7S6PSU4Nw8hVMLRD8L3sw1PYcA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <005201c9408a$3777c370$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:37:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01C94060.4E340580" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 03:37:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C94060.4E340580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable eh? whats that? can ya speak up there son, dag nab it! j ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:19 PM Subject: Re: Silliness and the O-man In a message dated 11/6/08 2:09:22 PM, rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com = writes: Lads, please grow up. 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 ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01C94060.4E340580-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 04:31:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 238823BE81; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-764440060 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: OT: I love it X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 20:30:59 -0800 References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> <5DABF02C293C4B19BDFE49CA9EE80834@eluk1> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 04:31:10 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9-764440060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well I was just about rolling on the floor on this one (see below). Haven''t been on the list for a while - really busy - and I just happened on this exchange as first re-entry. And it's just glorious. I might print it and put it up in the studio. But I, OF COURSE and always fully support Bill Walker in his position. I won't say anything else, because I can't recall where I left my asbestos suit. RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >>> >>> I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol >> >> You only academically know the difference, so it must be lost on yez. > > Um...yeah. moving right along... > >> >>>> The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, >>>> behaviourally. >>> >>> Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. >> >> Think about it then. > > I can't take time to pour over the meaningless utterance you gave us > above. It makes *no sense* as written. I see this kind of thing all > the time in student papers, however. I'm afraid I'd have to take a > few points off under "mechanics" in my grading rubric. I would be > kind and just write "vague" in the margins, though. :) > >> >>>> How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would >>>> solve their gas bill problem? What's that? >>> >>> Nor this... >> >> It was a response to something you said. Or have you forgotten >> already? Do your own research. > > I never said anything about Obama, crying supporters and gas > (petrol? or heating?) bills. I'm quite sure of that. > >> >>>> >>>> So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? >>> >>> You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed. >> >> Not the same. You can be a doctor several times over and be >> brainwashed. Being a very smart person doesn't in itself prevent >> that person from being duped into such a state. > > Yeah, ok. I have a Ph.D from the University of Chicago. I'm a > college professor. I teach people how to think for a living. But, > sure, I'm brainwashed because some moron who lives in the > "oppressive" (!), liberty-depriving (!) United Kingdom says so. > >> >>>> >>>> Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the >>>> 2000 or 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic >>>> mistake. >>> >>> "theoristic"? >> >> Academics rely on theories to describe the universe, more so when >> they never leave their offices. > > You're a simpleton if you believe academics naively "describe the > universe" (umm...it's more complicated than that, but subtlety and > complexity are usually lost on right wingers from my experience). > Second, we leave our offices all the time. You, on the other hand, > might try picking up a book. But, all of that aside, "theoristic" > isn't a word, Mr. Webster. Maybe you meant "theoretical" (for those > of us who have some command of the English language)? > >> >>>> "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? >>> >>> The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. >>> Changes in economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for >>> another. >> >> Imperialism? In which handbook did you get such a term? You use >> words with a cavalier disregard for their meaning. > > I suggest *you* go look it up and study its history. For starters, > read Edward Said's "Orientalism". I don't have time to dust off my > bibliographies and give you citations out the wazoo...but that's a > good place to start. > >> >>>> >>>> Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since >>>> moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be >>>> deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of >>>> living outside the US. >>> >>> It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay >>> your mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or >>> keep) healthcare, and a host of other things that matter in our >>> day to day lives. >> >> And you blame Republicans for all of the above? > > There's a lot of blame to go around. Republicans have to take the > lion's share. They've led us down this path. >> >>> By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure >>> don't. Go fight your way against those people who are also >>> (apparently) trying to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms >>> which are already (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol >>> Leave those of us who are grounded in reality back here in the US >>> of A alone to celebrate our victory. Thanks! >> >> You don't seem to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating One. > > Nor you. And thanks for the honorific title. I do prefer Dr. > Celebrating One, however. > > I'm with Bill (Walker) on this one. This is a joyous, incredibly > important moment in American history. I'm thrilled to have witnessed > it. It's a monumental, watershed moment for African Americans as > well, and I'm overjoyed when I see black college students in tears > dancing in the street. And if you don't like it...if you don't > sense the importance of this moment...well, you've got a very dark > soul, and I'd say you're probably a miserable person. That's about > the end of it for me. > > > Jeff > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9-764440060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I was just about rolling = on the floor on this one (see below).  Haven''t been on the list = for a while - really busy - and I just happened on this exchange as = first re-entry.  And it's just glorious.  I might print it and = put it up in the studio.  

But I, OF COURSE and = always fully support Bill Walker in his position.  I won't say = anything else, because I can't recall where I left my asbestos suit. =   

RICHARD = SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=
On Nov 5, 2008, at = 5:51 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:



I thought you lived in the UK, = not North Korea. lol

You only = academically know the difference, so it must be lost on = yez.

Um...yeah. moving right = along...


The = characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, = behaviourally.

Sorry, but I have no idea what = this means.

Think about it = then.

I can't take time to pour over the meaningless = utterance you gave us above. It makes *no sense* as written. I see this = kind of thing all the time in student papers, however. I'm afraid I'd = have to take a few points off under "mechanics" in my grading rubric. I = would be kind and just write "vague" in the margins, though. = :)


How = about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would  solve = their gas bill problem?  What's = that?

Nor = this...

It was a = response to something you said.  Or have you forgotten already? =  Do your own research.

I never said anything = about Obama, crying supporters and gas (petrol? or heating?) bills. I'm = quite sure of that.



So you = might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did = I?

You did when you said I (and = others) was (were) brainwashed.

Not the same. =  You can be a doctor several times over and be brainwashed. Being a = very smart person doesn't in itself prevent that person from being duped = into such a state.

Yeah, ok. I have a Ph.D from the = University of Chicago. I'm a college professor. I teach people how to = think for a living. But, sure, I'm brainwashed because some moron who = lives in the "oppressive" (!), liberty-depriving (!)  United = Kingdom says so.



Your = assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000  or = 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic = mistake.

"theoristic"?

Academics rely = on theories to describe the universe, more so when they never leave = their offices.

You're a simpleton if you believe = academics naively "describe the universe" (umm...it's more complicated = than that, but subtlety and complexity are usually lost on right wingers = from my experience). Second, we leave our offices all the time. You, on = the other hand, might try picking up a book. But, all of that aside, = "theoristic" isn't a word, Mr. Webster. Maybe you meant "theoretical" = (for those of us who have some command of the English = language)?


=  "Change"?  What change precisely can you refer = to?

The move away from Bush/Cheney's = imperialism, for starters. Changes  in economic policy, health care = reform...etc. etc. for another.

Imperialism? =  In which handbook did you get such a term?  You use words = with a cavalier disregard for their meaning.

I = suggest *you* go look it up and study its history. For starters, read = Edward Said's "Orientalism". I don't have time to dust off my = bibliographies and give you citations out the wazoo...but that's a good = place to start.



Oh, = it's so AWFUL in the US huh?  Like I said many times since =  moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be =  deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of = living  outside the = US.

It's not about liberties and = freedoms. It's about trying to pay your mortgage, fear of losing your = job, inability to get (or keep)  healthcare, and a host of other = things that matter in our day to day =  lives.

And you blame = Republicans for all of the above?

There's a lot of = blame to go around. Republicans have to take the lion's share. They've = led us down this path.

By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? = I sure  don't. Go fight your way against those people who are also =  (apparently) trying to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms =  which are already (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol Leave =  those of us who are grounded in reality back here in the US of A =  alone to celebrate our victory. = Thanks!

You don't seem = to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating = One.

Nor you. And thanks for the honorific title. I = do prefer Dr. Celebrating One, however.

I'm with Bill (Walker) on = this one. This is a joyous, incredibly important moment in American = history. I'm thrilled to have witnessed it. It's a monumental, watershed = moment for African Americans as well, and I'm overjoyed when I see black = college students in tears dancing in the street.   And if you = don't like it...if you don't sense the importance of this moment...well, = you've got a very dark soul, and I'd say you're probably a miserable = person. That's about the end of it for = me.


Jeff


RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=



=

= --Apple-Mail-9-764440060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:13:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6790F3BE7C; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=aJlYaEYngHqHcq10II0xLh2rWYyI6rHqJKELZqBUvPA=; b=Opk4eAYzKjGWhfzPmWyy7RjDVwUHaRLDHYu61zyhNKn0Mn6fHEMmzb9zlWo0YonlgW rRo4QpaOBpumTF3jBgqSuU+ZGC+mILvWTptbN4kK04bFyoTMTzAtEMS0ymu7D1jHERQ5 nX9UOf69MYyjRWs45j7fkdqM0zpHjpcEp/3L8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oetNTJ3IcMWI2WQFVYvKoEmuGVVe9UZ2HRYhgpwSfpODbSFK8D5TgDuAL0NIUMV1zL mDQgaEvix0VKWJl3jWLV/FG7qeOeDSOgsm31nosrJjAuVUaXHtMGZC1aog6CBSvTcRnU dAk8mthEQL3eLd04ywUw57ZqW7EeTOq6Mo0pk= Message-ID: <333287c30811070113k2c2684d2k4bda8ffb0331b440@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 01:13:40 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: I love it In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53113_7906441.1226049220172" References: <300350.35748.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <5EBD61C36C8B644A992DD68461AF073807570149@EXSRV1.meei.harvard.edu> <1f6442e00811050727k44f42792j4254b75fd098b645@mail.gmail.com> <5DABF02C293C4B19BDFE49CA9EE80834@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:13:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53113_7906441.1226049220172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The comment that struck me most from this was the "think about it" one. "think about it". About what? A conversation/discussion was occurring. Person A presented a thought, person B said "i don't get your drift"... Person A then says "think about it" as if that somehow will make Person B get what Person A meant. Hey Person A, that's the whole thing of discussion, if you want someone to understand what you are saying, you have to try. Telling someone to "think about it" as if that will somehow put them where you are is highschoolish and absurd in a massive level. Further evinced: you think something, a person listening says "I don't hear what you're saying". So you say "no, think about it" meaning, "what you are saying". And yet, how are they supposed to hear it if you won't speak further, since clearly what you've said hasn't shown them such? You're not asking them to think about IT... you're asking them to think about IT in the ways which YOU do. I love exemplary egotism. In a funny, I love to hate, because it's so absurd kind of way. Nevyn Nowhere http://www.happyhumans.org Sad Music for Happy Humans On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM, RICHARD SALES wrote: > Well I was just about rolling on the floor on this one (see below). > Haven''t been on the list for a while - really busy - and I just happened > on this exchange as first re-entry. And it's just glorious. I might print > it and put it up in the studio. > But I, OF COURSE and always fully support Bill Walker in his position. I > won't say anything else, because I can't recall where I left my asbestos > suit. > > RICHARD SALES > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol > > > You only academically know the difference, so it must be lost on yez. > > > Um...yeah. moving right along... > > > The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, > behaviourally. > > > Sorry, but I have no idea what this means. > > > Think about it then. > > > I can't take time to pour over the meaningless utterance you gave us above. > It makes *no sense* as written. I see this kind of thing all the time in > student papers, however. I'm afraid I'd have to take a few points off under > "mechanics" in my grading rubric. I would be kind and just write "vague" in > the margins, though. :) > > > How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would solve > their gas bill problem? What's that? > > > Nor this... > > > It was a response to something you said. Or have you forgotten already? > Do your own research. > > > I never said anything about Obama, crying supporters and gas (petrol? or > heating?) bills. I'm quite sure of that. > > > > So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I? > > > You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed. > > > Not the same. You can be a doctor several times over and be brainwashed. > Being a very smart person doesn't in itself prevent that person from being > duped into such a state. > > > Yeah, ok. I have a Ph.D from the University of Chicago. I'm a college > professor. I teach people how to think for a living. But, sure, I'm > brainwashed because some moron who lives in the "oppressive" (!), > liberty-depriving (!) United Kingdom says so. > > > > Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000 or > 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic mistake. > > > "theoristic"? > > > Academics rely on theories to describe the universe, more so when they > never leave their offices. > > > You're a simpleton if you believe academics naively "describe the universe" > (umm...it's more complicated than that, but subtlety and complexity are > usually lost on right wingers from my experience). Second, we leave our > offices all the time. You, on the other hand, might try picking up a book. > But, all of that aside, "theoristic" isn't a word, Mr. Webster. Maybe you > meant "theoretical" (for those of us who have some command of the English > language)? > > > "Change"? What change precisely can you refer to? > > > The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. Changes in > economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for another. > > > Imperialism? In which handbook did you get such a term? You use words > with a cavalier disregard for their meaning. > > > I suggest *you* go look it up and study its history. For starters, read > Edward Said's "Orientalism". I don't have time to dust off my bibliographies > and give you citations out the wazoo...but that's a good place to start. > > > > Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh? Like I said many times since moving to > the UK, every American should have the chance to be deprived of his > liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living outside the US. > > > It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay your > mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or keep) healthcare, > and a host of other things that matter in our day to day lives. > > > And you blame Republicans for all of the above? > > > There's a lot of blame to go around. Republicans have to take the lion's > share. They've led us down this path. > > > By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure don't. Go > fight your way against those people who are also (apparently) trying to > take away your precious freedoms, freedoms which are already (apparently!) > under assault in the UK! lol Leave those of us who are grounded in reality > back here in the US of A alone to celebrate our victory. Thanks! > > > You don't seem to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating One. > > > Nor you. And thanks for the honorific title. I do prefer Dr. Celebrating > One, however. > > I'm with Bill (Walker) on this one. This is a joyous, incredibly important > moment in American history. I'm thrilled to have witnessed it. It's a > monumental, watershed moment for African Americans as well, and I'm > overjoyed when I see black college students in tears dancing in the street. > And if you don't like it...if you don't sense the importance of this > moment...well, you've got a very dark soul, and I'd say you're probably a > miserable person. That's about the end of it for me. > > > Jeff > > > RICHARD SALES > www.glasswing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > > > > > ------=_Part_53113_7906441.1226049220172 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The comment that struck me most from this was the "think about it" one.

"think about it".  About what?  A conversation/discussion was occurring.  Person A presented a thought, person B said "i don't get your drift"... Person A then says "think about it" as if that somehow will make Person B get what Person A meant.  Hey Person A, that's the whole thing of discussion, if you want someone to understand what you are saying, you have to try.  Telling someone to "think about it" as if that will somehow put them where you are is highschoolish and absurd in a massive level. 

Further evinced: you think something, a person listening says "I don't hear what you're saying".  So you say "no, think about it" meaning, "what you are saying".  And yet, how are they supposed to hear it if you won't speak further, since clearly what you've said hasn't shown them such?  You're not asking them to think about IT... you're asking them to think about IT in the ways which YOU do.

I love exemplary egotism.

In a funny, I love to hate, because it's so absurd kind of way.

Nevyn Nowhere
http://www.happyhumans.org
Sad Music for Happy Humans

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:30 PM, RICHARD SALES <richard@glasswing.com> wrote:
Well I was just about rolling on the floor on this one (see below).  Haven''t been on the list for a while - really busy - and I just happened on this exchange as first re-entry.  And it's just glorious.  I might print it and put it up in the studio.  

But I, OF COURSE and always fully support Bill Walker in his position.  I won't say anything else, because I can't recall where I left my asbestos suit.   

RICHARD SALES

On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote:



I thought you lived in the UK, not North Korea. lol

You only academically know the difference, so it must be lost on yez.

Um...yeah. moving right along...


The characteristics rarely tell anything but the truth of it, behaviourally.

Sorry, but I have no idea what this means.

Think about it then.

I can't take time to pour over the meaningless utterance you gave us above. It makes *no sense* as written. I see this kind of thing all the time in student papers, however. I'm afraid I'd have to take a few points off under "mechanics" in my grading rubric. I would be kind and just write "vague" in the margins, though. :)


How about the tear-stained people going on about how Obama would  solve their gas bill problem?  What's that?

Nor this...

It was a response to something you said.  Or have you forgotten already?  Do your own research.

I never said anything about Obama, crying supporters and gas (petrol? or heating?) bills. I'm quite sure of that.



So you might be an educated idiot but I didn't call you one, did I?

You did when you said I (and others) was (were) brainwashed.

Not the same.  You can be a doctor several times over and be brainwashed. Being a very smart person doesn't in itself prevent that person from being duped into such a state.

Yeah, ok. I have a Ph.D from the University of Chicago. I'm a college professor. I teach people how to think for a living. But, sure, I'm brainwashed because some moron who lives in the "oppressive" (!), liberty-depriving (!)  United Kingdom says so.



Your assumption that I would act like a Democrat following the 2000  or 2004 elections is probably not more than a theoristic mistake.

"theoristic"?

Academics rely on theories to describe the universe, more so when they never leave their offices.

You're a simpleton if you believe academics naively "describe the universe" (umm...it's more complicated than that, but subtlety and complexity are usually lost on right wingers from my experience). Second, we leave our offices all the time. You, on the other hand, might try picking up a book. But, all of that aside, "theoristic" isn't a word, Mr. Webster. Maybe you meant "theoretical" (for those of us who have some command of the English language)?


 "Change"?  What change precisely can you refer to?

The move away from Bush/Cheney's imperialism, for starters. Changes  in economic policy, health care reform...etc. etc. for another.

Imperialism?  In which handbook did you get such a term?  You use words with a cavalier disregard for their meaning.

I suggest *you* go look it up and study its history. For starters, read Edward Said's "Orientalism". I don't have time to dust off my bibliographies and give you citations out the wazoo...but that's a good place to start.



Oh, it's so AWFUL in the US huh?  Like I said many times since  moving to the UK, every American should have the chance to be  deprived of his liberties and freedoms, by the simple act of living  outside the US.

It's not about liberties and freedoms. It's about trying to pay your mortgage, fear of losing your job, inability to get (or keep)  healthcare, and a host of other things that matter in our day to day  lives.

And you blame Republicans for all of the above?

There's a lot of blame to go around. Republicans have to take the lion's share. They've led us down this path.

By the way, who gives a fat frog's ass about Scientology? I sure  don't. Go fight your way against those people who are also  (apparently) trying to take away your precious freedoms, freedoms  which are already (apparently!) under assault in the UK! lol Leave  those of us who are grounded in reality back here in the US of A  alone to celebrate our victory. Thanks!

You don't seem to be able to leave the keyboard, O Celebrating One.

Nor you. And thanks for the honorific title. I do prefer Dr. Celebrating One, however.

I'm with Bill (Walker) on this one. This is a joyous, incredibly important moment in American history. I'm thrilled to have witnessed it. It's a monumental, watershed moment for African Americans as well, and I'm overjoyed when I see black college students in tears dancing in the street.   And if you don't like it...if you don't sense the importance of this moment...well, you've got a very dark soul, and I'd say you're probably a miserable person. That's about the end of it for me.


Jeff




------=_Part_53113_7906441.1226049220172-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 09:19:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D983A3BE7E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 258990.35166.bm@omp104.mail.re3.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5IrxzI9y1TP17LhbV+xPn7Bf5xQYmLTAkxQG4+DS9w0Gd7actw+u/itD929DLWBq0hUIAshmtpA93+VVS9iJkiwFS0+2Cz6gYvfouC4lXfwdc+vjjM5oRUelIeAk24in/k8Pnzrr7aRXZDbEIbSbkRZ1ZMZNvkifXro7tYS/R3k= ; X-YMail-OSG: ZXO9gpkVM1mFsPB7hh6TzFgC_aTCpjFwHr7_Sn0FfwMqXMU6BUTsKZwIhdBzXhZYl17I8kD8C8HsNkvbY4bTc0eBfQtCOQZThIX9t2jCw3piBCek62anlktw0D3kEmm2uG6Xm4brsB8om8w4KWyVBe_qbxdAdvhO6VaC7JS9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <007d01c940b9$cd3ec460$2692a8c0@voo.intra> From: "Ben" To: References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:18:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:19:10 +0000 (UTC) > >> What's Experimental [music]? >> >> I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it. > I don't think this is true. Audience and player don't share the same point of view. I can "experiment" playing guitar thru a looper without amp so I can't hear me during 30'. Then I turned on the amp, record and send the mp3 and let you hear the result. Depending of my skills (or my intentions), this could be experimental or not. Do I know my scales? Is my timing good an could I sync to the flashing tempo LED of my jamman?,.... As someone said the background and education of the listener is important. When I was 18 (in the 90's), Sonic youth was experimental (hey look, you can have a guitar for each song, What? There is alternate tunings?). Now, I still like them but I don't find the music so experimental anymore, it's their "style". Having played with several random/algo/fractal music generators (a cat in a piano ;-), I can say that even for this kind of music, after a while it's also sounding the same and I find it boring. The soft has its "style". Playing with a tenori_on is experimental, ... for a while,... or in front of an audience discovering it. Then if you are "educated", you'll say "so what? this is just a step sequencer with several tracks of different lengths, i can do this with my Rm1x or my ...)". IMHO the goal of music is to entertain, either the listeners (top 50/pop/dance stuff) or the musician (new experiences: scale, rhytm, instrument or whatever ...). Just my 2c, Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 12:42:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77FEE3BE84; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=xwq7rv3k4FkwooppmzPPfbFeq+9ZNPf/sZfbzvGSka0=; b=EmS72fCapOJ7yM+aezPFwMTkpzOtfmb8KJgCGSRTfRFUZcTlYOgm11xOTUDS5ScjZu iJGmOY+LLdERlshaCSJMUUmVds5OH1N55LDDDjtOyNe+ZuJjQl3dsDXR4X81hmgGhHDv mdPutTTS/gab+K2k0NiEoOML1aOuwyQFJBOKE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=j5Yh2y290WLKffBlvYp7c8uBuioCseE+bqkfwaaw6HaGg0Ne0Tl4DH+JPeNQxPzp6V CCdCM132rfiJE2Yvp1D6Op9DF10GCl2adwA0v/57k9h5JwXdzZ4juXxS0gjsTNTNVHta 3awDM+5shTzu7vKVTpW7ilhn7BZv8HuvwLRts= Message-ID: <101191640811070442w68c2aee7s87ad86e79ccdedc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 07:42:38 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50113_28005254.1226061758377" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 94cde755a7b581aa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:42:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50113_28005254.1226061758377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* I'm sure most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and life). There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelievable, but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already and this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has put this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out. Warren ------=_Part_50113_28005254.1226061758377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's The Music Lesson. I'm sure most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and life). There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelievable, but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already and this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has put this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out.

Warren
------=_Part_50113_28005254.1226061758377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:18:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D18963BE8C; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject :date:x-mailer; bh=ldbrUxaVqm2Wl3Ru8yKcNvXOE9Fp7SaMQB7u2hQ+WAA=; b=dQhaPRkh4vXuMr8lwXeFn3Ru08M9uekLQC3Cbr9/fEnXDZMjc9yAfSFve6Xm4d4ttk Zc1vQvzqd0bcvTmXUXCtvFqkSBIzJRZ4O08h+oj23NiHR6o92RVGbyhwqEvepb+8yOHP 2fXtHJBV55cAS7T4qo0qrOQjIGfLYuzahCZ/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to :from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=rUWocHyKUTMe+aujdiQMmBCkjH+iazw19w7cV0HfK1QCqq27xCXZonKgqa6S8NrWDp 0p9GmH/cvDRpKEeZ1N6r7QB6JuQttC4TSuMn3NugI7oqF1z/mt76o8u44oNajKnJaUYW ErMAG9jx3kZbRSXqDf+SqdIiOw9tYJh+cshM8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: RP Collier Subject: OT: new kalimba album release Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 05:18:36 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <-8yU-B.A.DCF.yAEFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Greetings! I've been intending for quite a while to make some albums that are exclusively thumb piano, and now 'tis finally starting to happen! New all thumb piano album just released on the Lonely Whistle label: RP Collier - LAMELLAPHONE explorations in non-traditional music for kalimba, mbira, sansa, thumb piano Envisioned as a zeppelin journey to bring shoes to Sasquatch, the album is a set of minimalist songs using found object thumb pianos from the Flickr set: http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j The tracks are improvisational, many with some looping. Best deal is from the Lonely Whistle website, $7 domestic postage paid: http://www.doncampau.com/lw2007variousartists.htm It is also available at CD Baby where there are audio clips of most of the tracks: http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier4 and iTunes, Amazon etc. _________________ Also fyi, Don Campau of the Lonely Whistle label has broadcast and internet radio shows that spotlight indie, small label, home recording, and he happily accepts submissions for airplay. Contact info: http://www.doncampau.com/ http://www.doncampau.com/npinfo.htm regards BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 13:58:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F1153BE80; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=B0woaD01rpKeSix4Usd0sVSH1+DbZ/OWTHXgQQJxVss=; b=VBo3vbhvrnc8QRcatc9iwK5ZfZjKRge3Cq9i6iC/QdWoPu0e4f5F/AtYGMJG8hKxHp dpqSj42zg1Mqq37FIyElf/6wpFQW3YVg0VtbxJ+8aszSmcQDcNYiBFT22aXzuKzDR2rW DkNYxiRjXt0rRB42SyQuxFfejFBV5eJD2ntdc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=gbMekZZnGfrCxaKbiuZqY839AHudQ2X1hpRavmY+nehUxb7ngLLMubAXFe50jIA6r/ HoZNUqRaTXF8QDK7RrHEIV+ImwLIX61s5iCZsD2Xt7Fj7Y75frWRhM1iRVHonbcqtm8/ zH0Ag+RVYRijipDLI01WqDIDeFr3h1LtSW75k= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811070558m45029946y4c3e7ef7d3807d0d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:58:54 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book In-Reply-To: <101191640811070442w68c2aee7s87ad86e79ccdedc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640811070442w68c2aee7s87ad86e79ccdedc@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1zPYvC.A.gWG.gmEFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:58:56 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's The Music Lesson. I'm sure > most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical > story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and life). > There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelievable, > but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the > better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already and > this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has put > this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out. > > Warren I test read a chapter here http://www.vixboox.com/ and boy is this an interesting book! I'd say "the elements of music" are as true as are the laws of physics, mathematics or whatever science - or Language, as Teacher Michael in the book says. Not putting down the mystical view though; for example I love reading Castaneda too, but that doesn't mean I'm a practicing shaman ;-)) But the techniques told by Don Juan have been well known to man for thousands of years as a reliable way of refining and tuning these strange things known as "human beings". Methods for learning music are just as universal. I'll look for this book now, because I got curious of what aspects of musicianship he will pick for Teacher Michael as the other "elements of music"? ("Groove before play" being this chapter's theme). Thanks for the great tip, Warren! I didn't know this book existed. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 16:34:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2079D3BE8D; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081107113433.FCIA2.182804.root@mp15> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 8:34:33 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book Cc: Warren Sirota In-Reply-To: <101191640811070442w68c2aee7s87ad86e79ccdedc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, Anybody ever read and wish to offer an opinion on Kenny Wheeler's book "Eff= ortless Mastery"? Inspired by this thread I recalled Wheeler's book being recommended to me q= uite some time ago by a dear musician friend. I just ordered both books on Amazon.com this morning . . . so I guess I'll = be reading 'em soon anyway. Just thought I'd ask. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you = didn=E2=80=99t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. S= ail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore= . Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes ---- Warren Sirota wrote:=20 > I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* I'm su= re > most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical > story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and lif= e). > There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelievabl= e, > but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the > better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already = and > this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has = put > this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out. >=20 > Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 16:38:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F5203BE8B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 16:38:58 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Return-Receipt-To:Disposition-Notification-To:Message-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=JpfPSohkraMFE7XR6tJnXhCnD0BRTRFq6VFOBNCcA4VZVjmLEZhEAbGqXaVAhNF2duP0OMLjR4ul8qi9lLT/Luv6BqOCnsGyEiKy8bwOsBiHwrupVQiksJ6ZKrzFEV+drFrSVFIBJex0YbgyaR5yKIK8DTa2aANCi9/QOugSJSQ= ; 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Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:43:30 EST Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc8.40ca81ec.3645ca32_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bc8.40ca81ec.3645ca32_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've been listening to PANDORA a lot lately.....upon hearing music that years ago sounded "experimental" to me, now sounds commonplace often self-indulgent.....perhaps not the best example: in the 70's i was driving back to pittsburgh from california (really fast, no speed limits) through the arizonia salt flats.....a clear night, stars above and reflected off the flats, a 360 degree star fest and in front just a thin line of road with the white lines doing their strob thing in the headlights.....a new EMERSON LAKE AND PLAMER tape blasting out of the speakers.....OMG!!!!!.....perhaps this was not experimental music but i had not heard anything like this before and was totally blown away, much like hearing morton sobotnic's "silver apples of the moon" for the first time (a pivitol point in my music life).....i no longer have these tapes or records but PANDORA not only allows me to revist these past listening experiences but also to hear a ton of "new', "experimental", whatever music.....what i think i am trying to say and perhaps it's been said before (i love redundency, it's the only way i learn) is, TIME takes the gleam off of "experimental".....rainer's pointing out of cage's idea "experimental" is not knowing how things are going to turn out was very thought provoking for me.....is a piece no longer experimental once it has been played.....once i taste the hamburger covered with lime jello and coconut, the experiment is concluded (please don't try this at home).....perhaps communication requires an agreed upon vocabulary, we somehow have to establish a common ground from which we hope to understand one another.....maybe this can not be done.....getting back to ELP, after listening to TARKUS for what seemed like 2 hours the other day i flew to my puter and hit the next tune button, a big case of been there done that, I WANT SOMETHING NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) --part1_bc8.40ca81ec.3645ca32_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've been listening to PANDORA a lot la= tely.....upon hearing music that years ago sounded "experimental" to me, now= sounds commonplace often self-indulgent.....perhaps not the best example: i= n the 70's i was driving back to pittsburgh from california (really fast, no= speed limits) through the arizonia salt flats.....a clear night, stars abov= e and reflected off the flats, a 360 degree star fest and in front just a th= in line of road with the white lines doing their strob thing in the headligh= ts.....a new EMERSON LAKE AND PLAMER tape blasting out of the speakers.....O= MG!!!!!.....perhaps this was not experimental music but i had not heard anyt= hing like this before and was totally blown away, much like hearing morton s= obotnic's "silver apples of the moon" for the first time (a pivitol point in= my music life).....i no longer have these tapes or records but PANDORA not=20= only allows me to revist these past listening experiences but also to hear a= ton of "new', "experimental", whatever music.....what i think i am trying t= o say and perhaps it's been said before (i love redundency, it's the only wa= y i learn) is, TIME takes the gleam off of "experimental".....rainer's point= ing out of cage's idea "experimental" is not knowing how things are going to= turn out was very thought provoking for me.....is a piece no longer experim= ental once it has been played.....once i taste the hamburger covered with li= me jello and coconut, the experiment is concluded (please don't try this at=20= home).....perhaps communication requires an agreed upon vocabulary, we someh= ow have to establish a common ground from which we hope to understand one an= other.....maybe this can not be done.....getting back to ELP, after listenin= g to TARKUS for what seemed like 2 hours the other day i flew to my puter an= d hit the next tune button, a big case of been there done that, I WANT SOMET= HING NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m

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AOL Search: Your one stop for direct= ions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_bc8.40ca81ec.3645ca32_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B98353BE8A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-811814415 From: "Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist" Subject: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:40:33 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <38ORgC.A.cBH.W2HFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:40:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-811814415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Ted, Warren, Per, Wooten's The Music Lesson sounds very appealing to me. I'll check the=20 test chapter sent by Per (thanks). I am reading Kenny Werner's Effortless Mastery, & like it very much so=20= far. It is one of those rare music books that transcends music=20 technique & explores music as a way of living & growing, what Buddhists=20= call Dharma. This is the kind of approach that for example shakuhachi=20 (Japanese bamboo flute) players & students take when learning & playing=20= their instrument. Achieving this one-pointed focus & playing as if the=20= instrument & the player were one & not separate, is a life-long pursuit=20= for them, but maybe for all of us as well... Werner's book also=20 contains a CD with some "meditations" to drive the message home. I=20 highly recommend this book by what I've read so far. Also of interest=20 is that Werner has pioneered innovative marketing & production=20 techniques for his music, like for example, selling different levels of=20= access to his creative process via his website, thus funding his new=20 works with other than money from a major label. Along the above lines, I recently read a small but wonderful book by=20 Abel Carlevaro (Latin American classical guitar master), My Guitar & My=20= World. I enjoyed reading his passages where he describes his total=20 identification with his instrument, & how he transcended it to play=20 from a deeper place than just technique would allow. Another recent=20 book along these lines is The Art of Practicing, by Madeline Bruser.=20 She is (was?) a concert pianist that pursued playing her instrument=20 from her heart, & now teaches others (all instruments allowed) how to=20 do this in a week-long retreat at Karm=E9 Ch=F6ling, a Buddhist retreat=20= center in Vermont, USA. She studied directly under Ch=F6gyam Trungpa=20 Rinpoche, the founder of the Shambala Buddhist tradition here in the=20 USA, & maybe also worldwide. Even though I mention her Buddhist=20 lineage, her book is highly pragmatic & does not directly talk about=20 Buddhism at all. It focuses on stretching/breathing exercises, & many=20 other techniques inspired by things like the Alexander Technique, which=20= emphasizes the correct body posture & use for optimal playing. =46rom=20 this I have stopped using a foot stool to play my classical guitar,=20 amongst many other changes, for the better. There seems to be quite a few books along the lines we are discussing=20 here. It'd be interesting to see what else others are reading. Thanks for sending the information on Wooten's book, Warren. It is=20 inspiring & along the lines of what I have been reading lately. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA From: tEd =AE kiLLiAn Date: November 7, 2008 11:34:33 AM EST Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book Anybody ever read and wish to offer an opinion on Kenny Wheeler's book=20= "Effortless Mastery"? Inspired by this thread I recalled Wheeler's book=20= being recommended to me quite some time ago by a dear musician friend. I just ordered both books on Amazon.com this morning . . . so I guess=20 I'll be reading 'em soon anyway. ---- Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* I'm=20= > sure > most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a=20 > mystical > story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and=20= > life). > There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe=20 > unbelievable, > but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for=20= > the > better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing=20 > already and > this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who=20= > has put > this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out.= --Apple-Mail-1-811814415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ted, Warren, Per, Wooten's The Music Lesson sounds very appealing to me. I'll check the test chapter sent by Per (thanks). I am reading Kenny Werner's Effortless Mastery, & like it very much so far. It is one of those rare music books that transcends music technique & explores music as a way of living & growing, what Buddhists call Dharma. This is the kind of approach that for example shakuhachi (Japanese bamboo flute) players & students take when learning & playing their instrument. Achieving this one-pointed focus & playing as if the instrument & the player were one & not separate, is a life-long pursuit for them, but maybe for all of us as well... Werner's book also contains a CD with some "meditations" to drive the message home. I highly recommend this book by what I've read so far. Also of interest is that Werner has pioneered innovative marketing & production techniques for his music, like for example, selling different levels of access to his creative process via his website, thus funding his new works with other than money from a major label. Along the above lines, I recently read a small but wonderful book by Abel Carlevaro (Latin American classical guitar master), My Guitar & My World. I enjoyed reading his passages where he describes his total identification with his instrument, & how he transcended it to play from a deeper place than just technique would allow. Another recent book along these lines is The Art of Practicing, by Madeline Bruser. She is (was?) a concert pianist that pursued playing her instrument from her heart, & now teaches others (all instruments allowed) how to do this in a week-long retreat at Karm=E9 Ch=F6ling, a Buddhist retreat center in Vermont, USA. She studied directly under Ch=F6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the founder of the Shambala Buddhist tradition here in the USA, & maybe also worldwide. Even though I mention her Buddhist lineage, her book is highly pragmatic & does not directly talk about Buddhism at all. It focuses on stretching/breathing exercises, & many other techniques inspired by things like the Alexander Technique, which emphasizes the correct body posture & use for optimal playing. =46rom this I have stopped using a foot stool to play my classical guitar, amongst many other changes, for the better. There seems to be quite a few books along the lines we are discussing here. It'd be interesting to see what else others are reading. Thanks for sending the information on Wooten's book, Warren. It is inspiring & along the lines of what I have been reading lately. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA = Helvetica0000,0000,0000From: = Helvetica= tEd =AE kiLLiAn < 0000,0000,0000Date: November 7, 2008 11:34:33 AM EST 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book Anybody ever read and wish to offer an opinion on Kenny Wheeler's book "Effortless Mastery"? Inspired by this thread I recalled Wheeler's book being recommended to me quite some time ago by a dear musician friend. I just ordered both books on Amazon.com this morning . . . so I guess I'll be reading 'em soon anyway. ---- Warren Sirota < wrote:=20 I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* I'm sure most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and life). There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelievable, but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already and this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has put this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking = out.= --Apple-Mail-1-811814415-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 17:43:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30AB03BE8A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20081107163858.CD8F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Y2K8 mp3s Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:43:16 +0100 Message-ID: <004701c94100$50e8a880$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20081107163858.CD8F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AclA+LgCafNTrMZtTbKa1RrNr6SmwAAB1M8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.26; VDF: 7.1.0.49) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:43:20 +0000 (UTC) er, where are they? didn't people here talk about them? the mp3 page doesn't seem to contain any mp3s except two tracks with Krispen. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A29773BE8E; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 192377716/mk-outboundfilter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AokBAGcRFEk+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIgx7GJ4NW X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,565,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="192377716" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:50:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: new vid Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <49147FE1.26594.5BECB7@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:03:34 +0000 (UTC) I've added another video from a gig to my site http://www.nickrobinson.info/music/audio.htm It shows how I've managed to rein in the desire to keep playing throughout and to work with the loops over longer periods. Don't forget, there's a looping forum you can also join... http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 18:24:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82B6A3BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iRwCwG0ZBw244Fm/3eXP8lTpB9jW31ej2zEvdErxQLM=; b=kJvxf9f3b3CGDXs6q9CmxZwSXq6aGAZSxjuKNd7flETaBLpsxV4qNSqUUjGDNmqYFL sTO1piRTp1ksb6E/j3vJ3PBJ3IIVfUIQyQB8vY8z7qq7JOdMoYLYAguOIZXqYjynv0Vv U888tuyrxNzMO8L36YY88GgxwEtaij8N6Q6bI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TpBM4VPkzxTDhBb9+rb1CLLFbWkwzB3MJ4HRL/Yj/aSEeOokb9mER0w0XzcrtMTIOq x3nD9whw5TjPH8Pw4JplOGE+oIu6pTnIOXA6yeHwwUtfKWE9rbXplcqSi7d5FB8U+ZGi LOMyUnYfrXrNtEInfX0jN7rpr/qoWI1IIAUaQ= Message-ID: <101191640811071024y1a699b23m8a7afc122ee5e3b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:24:31 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_55550_9156393.1226082271796" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: da9d7e44679a171b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 18:24:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_55550_9156393.1226082271796 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Likewise, Eduardo. I will definitely check out the Carlevaro - I used to play a couple of the Preludios Americanos. Probably my favorite classical guitar pieces ever. And, also, I have found breathing to be incredibly important in practice (once I discovered that I typically held my breath fo= r 20 seconds at a time while playing difficult passages, I found the discipline of sighing softly while playing these passages to be very effective in helping me relax into them instead of "stressing" into them). = I may look into that Vermont retreat for next year. I gave up on footstools many years ago - i have had back issues for a long time, and the weird assymetry forced by footstools always seemed somewhat punitive. Instead i got a funny-looking little pillow-type thing that sits on my leg to lift the guitar into a better position (I got it from the SF store Guitar Solo probably 25 years ago). But I've been very intrigued by a couple of guitarist that i've seen who have modified their guitars to be almost upright, more like a cello. it seems that the left hand is less stressed that way. not so sure about the right. Warren On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist wrote: > > Ted, Warren, Per, > > Wooten's The Music Lesson sounds very appealing to me. I'll check the tes= t > chapter sent by Per (thanks). > > I am reading Kenny Werner's Effortless Mastery, & like it very much so fa= r. > It is one of those rare music books that transcends music technique & > explores music as a way of living & growing, what Buddhists call Dharma. > This is the kind of approach that for example shakuhachi (Japanese bamboo > flute) players & students take when learning & playing their instrument. > Achieving this one-pointed focus & playing as if the instrument & the pla= yer > were one & not separate, is a life-long pursuit for them, but maybe for a= ll > of us as well... Werner's book also contains a CD with some "meditations"= to > drive the message home. I highly recommend this book by what I've read so > far. Also of interest is that Werner has pioneered innovative marketing & > production techniques for his music, like for example, selling different > levels of access to his creative process via his website, thus funding hi= s > new works with other than money from a major label. > > Along the above lines, I recently read a small but wonderful book by Abel > Carlevaro (Latin American classical guitar master), My Guitar & My World.= I > enjoyed reading his passages where he describes his total identification > with his instrument, & how he transcended it to play from a deeper place > than just technique would allow. Another recent book along these lines is > The Art of Practicing, by Madeline Bruser. She is (was?) a concert pianis= t > that pursued playing her instrument from her heart, & now teaches others > (all instruments allowed) how to do this in a week-long retreat at Karm= =E9 > Ch=F6ling, a Buddhist retreat center in Vermont, USA. She studied directl= y > under Ch=F6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the founder of the Shambala Buddhist > tradition here in the USA, & maybe also worldwide. Even though I mention = her > Buddhist lineage, her book is highly pragmatic & does not directly talk > about Buddhism at all. It focuses on stretching/breathing exercises, & ma= ny > other techniques inspired by things like the Alexander Technique, which > emphasizes the correct body posture & use for optimal playing. From this = I > have stopped using a foot stool to play my classical guitar, amongst many > other changes, for the better. > > There seems to be quite a few books along the lines we are discussing her= e. > It'd be interesting to see what else others are reading. > > Thanks for sending the information on Wooten's book, Warren. It is > inspiring & along the lines of what I have been reading lately. > > Blessings, > > Eduardo Martinez > musician - composer - artist > www.EduardoMartinez.com > www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic > Nashua, NH USA > > From: tEd (R) kiLLiAn > Date: November 7, 2008 11:34:33 AM EST > Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book > > Anybody ever read and wish to offer an opinion on Kenny Wheeler's book > "Effortless Mastery"? Inspired by this thread I recalled Wheeler's book > being recommended to me quite some time ago by a dear musician friend. > I just ordered both books on Amazon.com this morning . . . so I guess I'l= l > be reading 'em soon anyway. > > ---- Warren Sirota wrote: > >> I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* I'm >> sure >> most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical >> story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and >> life). >> There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe >> unbelievable, >> but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for th= e >> better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already >> and >> this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has >> put >> this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out. > > ------=_Part_55550_9156393.1226082271796 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Likewise, Eduardo. I will definitely check out the Carlevaro - I used to pl= ay a couple of the Preludios Americanos. Probably my favorite classical gui= tar pieces ever. And, also, I have found breathing to be incredibly importa= nt in practice (once I discovered that I typically held my breath for 20 se= conds at a time while playing difficult passages, I found the discipline of= sighing softly while playing these passages to be very effective in helpin= g me relax into them instead of "stressing" into them). I may loo= k into that Vermont retreat for next year.

I gave up on footstools many years ago - i have had back issues for a l= ong time, and the weird assymetry forced by footstools always seemed somewh= at punitive. Instead i got a funny-looking little pillow-type thing that si= ts on my leg to lift the guitar into a better position (I got it from the S= F store Guitar Solo probably 25 years ago). But I've been very intrigue= d by a couple of guitarist that i've seen who have modified their guita= rs to be almost upright, more like a cello. it seems that the left hand is = less stressed that way. not so sure about the right.

Warren

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:40 P= M, Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist <subscriptions@eduardomarti= nez.com> wrote:

Ted, Warren, Per,

Wooten's The Music Lesson sounds very appealing to me. I'll check t= he test chapter sent by Per (thanks).

I am reading Kenny Werner's Effortless Mastery, & like it very much= so far. It is one of those rare music books that transcends music techniqu= e & explores music as a way of living & growing, what Buddhists cal= l Dharma. This is the kind of approach that for example shakuhachi (Japanes= e bamboo flute) players & students take when learning & playing the= ir instrument. Achieving this one-pointed focus & playing as if the ins= trument & the player were one & not separate, is a life-long pursui= t for them, but maybe for all of us as well... Werner's book also conta= ins a CD with some "meditations" to drive the message home. I hig= hly recommend this book by what I've read so far. Also of interest is t= hat Werner has pioneered innovative marketing & production techniques f= or his music, like for example, selling different levels of access to his c= reative process via his website, thus funding his new works with other than= money from a major label.

Along the above lines, I recently read a small but wonderful book by Abel C= arlevaro (Latin American classical guitar master), My Guitar & My World= . I enjoyed reading his passages where he describes his total identificatio= n with his instrument, & how he transcended it to play from a deeper pl= ace than just technique would allow. Another recent book along these lines = is The Art of Practicing, by Madeline Bruser. She is (was?) a concert piani= st that pursued playing her instrument from her heart, & now teaches ot= hers (all instruments allowed) how to do this in a week-long retreat at Kar= m=E9 Ch=F6ling, a Buddhist retreat center in Vermont, USA. She studied dire= ctly under Ch=F6gyam Trungpa Rinpoche, the founder of the Shambala Buddhist= tradition here in the USA, & maybe also worldwide. Even though I menti= on her Buddhist lineage, her book is highly pragmatic & does not direct= ly talk about Buddhism at all. It focuses on stretching/breathing exercises= , & many other techniques inspired by things like the Alexander Techniq= ue, which emphasizes the correct body posture & use for optimal playing= . From this I have stopped using a foot stool to play my classical guitar, = amongst many other changes, for the better.

There seems to be quite a few books along the lines we are discussing here.= It'd be interesting to see what else others are reading.

Thanks for sending the information on Wooten's book, Warren. It is insp= iring & along the lines of what I have been reading lately.

Blessings,

Eduardo Martinez
musician - composer - artist
www.EduardoMar= tinez.com
w= ww.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic
Nashua, NH USA

From: tEd ® kiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net>
Date: November 7, 2008 11:34:33 AM EST
Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book

Anybody ever read and wish to offer an opinion on Kenny Wheeler's book = "Effortless Mastery"? Inspired by this thread I recalled Wheeler&= #39;s book being recommended to me quite some time ago by a dear musician f= riend.
I just ordered both books on Amazon.com this morning . . . so I guess I'= ;ll be reading 'em soon anyway.

---- Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
I'm nearing the end of reading Victor Wooten's *The Music Lesson.* = I'm sure
most of you know and admire this amazing bassist. The book is a mystical story about Wooten's spiritual ideas about music and performance (and l= ife).
There's a lot of stuff in there that is pretty far out, maybe unbelieva= ble,
but the attitudes and perspective on music has already changed me for the better, I would say (or, perhaps more accurately, I was changing already an= d
this has helped to focus some of that change). I know a musician who has pu= t
this book down in disgust, but I think it's really worth checking out.<= /blockquote>

------=_Part_55550_9156393.1226082271796-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:05:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8ACBE3BE84; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lbwnFiIdK6L7jn7SZlhqj023BfB2jua2F/64UlBvLLA=; b=bJ0i++MXzVEk3gu7Q1ictSUOjSWaEqaU5beQWLrTrDmPSE9wSzm6lcrcwnJBfpT99E lzOcWCGhsd9ZJg307LsyrD1Jques34AIv7cm+n3CJLGH9CbK5h7hDEN4dq8kgQwbbeUg Mn3kZcvfgTJGN/TD3tv7hF4EnzLRGa9nMzwN0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xcMEWiazmk2K900zrmJs6wr1a5NGDy1JYwBdcce/qM3sLFpmqqsok0JVL6ARocjJDg jHlmKsWJXqESsz9KPQehRNFHPcqNvgxdEoZvFPS/RNHIjYmbYhQt+qYZEZp94y3O4Hoi 63buoq8wV8stmiiSPYldyN/bAw/MZEZsuAFzI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:05:17 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811070558m45029946y4c3e7ef7d3807d0d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52722_3559015.1226084717661" References: <101191640811070442w68c2aee7s87ad86e79ccdedc@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811070558m45029946y4c3e7ef7d3807d0d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:05:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52722_3559015.1226084717661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2008/11/7 Per Boysen > but that doesn't > mean I'm a practicing shaman ;-)) > > Per Boysen > Don't trust him! All we've seen what he's capable of doing with all those machines and instruments! Hundreds of pitches waving the space, all coming from a sigle flute!! His music is really shamanic! (if such a term exists!) :-) :-) he,he,he ... Raul. p.s. victor is from outer space. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_52722_3559015.1226084717661 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

2008/11/7 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
 but that doesn't
mean I'm a practicing shaman ;-)) 

Per Boysen

Don't trust him! All we've seen what he's capable of doing with all those machines and instruments! Hundreds of pitches waving the space, all coming from a sigle flute!!

His music is really shamanic! (if such a term exists!) :-) :-) he,he,he ... 

Raul.

p.s. victor is from outer space.
------=_Part_52722_3559015.1226084717661-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:14:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7093BE87; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ak/1ft40zrHAX5bU7sVpDwP7lASH5npN8FJvZDe15ZKycLuaLh2nvNRrcvX41NhTPndftqiJ2LBRctwAlBTB1/9097xVpq6YhepKV1Th0gwCgyTzSTbJwVPuhLKbBNGgMRjWKKTNEk448+qpzAU5DaJMbNm80IQYa/Snc24LHLo=; X-YMail-OSG: U.2gIewVM1lkhwCek97zoDcb2B0FVCUJM32JAiax0dSk.w7jWIPD8ZJPvr0wC1WUJWUMOdChvL6om_7odsqNMeRfVzv67G_JSFrJ3cAIwW_J9XyWjTVo7eTs0XRMNXxMmvS9YNXDKa23wRFmMwxdVK0TdUo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:14:28 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: pretty simple moebus question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811060417u5ff73d96p260e1f00f4f860d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <319713.39374.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:14:29 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps writing a preset with track sync mode= off and switching back to track sync mode=on,dont quote me on it thought but i think i tried it once and it worked. Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: pretty simple moebus question > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 4:17 AM > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard > wrote: > > i might have asked this before and it will be in the > manual, but at least > > it's not about obama: > > > > i have four tracks in moebius and i would like two of > them to be > > synchronized and the other two not. > > how do i do it? > > thanx - tilmann > > > There are many ways, so it may be difficult to give an > answer that > suits you. The stage I prefer to set that up is when > I'm playing and > creating a loop. If I want a loop to be "out of > sync" with the other > loops I usually end Multiply by Record. This will create a > loop of an > odd length and the probability it will sync according to > some unusual > time signature is small. This is a technique I have been > using since > the early EDP days. A Mobius unique function I like is the > instant > multiply/divide. This will create a loop with an odd length > but that > is still syncing in some regard. To go Multiply by 3 and > then Divide > by 2 is only two pedal/key hits (if you don't script it > to be just one > pedal hit). Yet another way to change the loop length is to > use > Insert, which I don't. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:22:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0737E3BE8C; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "labaloops@yahoo.com" , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 13:21:50 -0600 Subject: RE: pretty simple moebus question Thread-Topic: pretty simple moebus question Thread-Index: AclBDRAeM2Vmv5r0SyKFJPHvWb2fRwAAGpIg Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316E0E2@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <66f9cc1e0811060417u5ff73d96p260e1f00f4f860d1@mail.gmail.com> <319713.39374.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <319713.39374.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the lists lately... Did I miss anything interesting :-) > Perhaps writing a preset with track sync mode=3D off and switching back > to track sync mode=3Don,dont quote me on it thought but i think i tried > it once and it worked. Luis If the goal is to have some tracks that are kept in sync and some that just freewheel like ambient drone backgrounds, then the best way is as Luis says. Make two presets one with Track Sync on and another with it off. Then select the desired presets for each track in the Track Setup. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:25:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73C543BE91; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=t6WrLamX9Uk1L7bvH9XFx3BW8Ps+psmHM6duHP0hyls9mZq1NwpLQWe+e3aLQVdbu2M3OyvClObELZfleRyc0/pWt4uuno63mdVSWonUc/hDOaCvI1YNMGpvmIq/q/+DlO3I0QxkOeumgI5kN6Ciwa1AWhcZH3KcsFqWY5qv2Dk=; X-YMail-OSG: hQEeUjEVM1lSOGMV_Fyjpk0m7bWi5c365VcEgU7LAHnRGjYUvZxUUXiFyT6YwqjHIQFWnM_EKJq7T8HyPoOEhLb4p3o98bd32EYoAq_bg4hav_Iu13wtDqqDH5T_GpI7m4oC6EsxhM6xJaRGkDSQmz7jtel27RI67ZEjbd0imKXDlniRbMFxbxFC.w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:25:00 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <41873.24092.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC) another simple but very wise advice Rick Walker once gave me and i thank him for that is: "always use color cables" > > Most inspiring was actually Per's advice to really use > a pedal board case/bag for my RC-50 setup. (thanks very > much, Per!!) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE543BE8C; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Ea+GMSOyx6DsK1L4kPno9VVjiEsj7UALAKxV4yeE7dimPJ1FpqGn5bMMDAoWOP1a6h8+2Arud78NB4GnoN1RyuNPs7z1pJ+acWIUaAx0XJJpgkoERXL4Abs7m+V3ziN9YDdrs8497zvA4TflzF3YBXQxbTw36YVAPSmiMzapLgo=; X-YMail-OSG: 1GU06ewVM1kz3fGH4ortpDP3D2VUSFpFroU4fgLqNs1TIeCuwllWLIeXnYcdi4KGx6OKUuVeJqD.CWs4cDzOGQsvL.cTg5EI20AZkSCp7L9FQMhFSp74VcT2pLxo1KTKzeqaXT0h7acr.jrbq0HGLEbLxWW8t4vq1Vg5XZlFqS3rvozKTceNsZPMso0n X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 11:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-211475078-1226086229=:22964" Message-ID: <258101.22964.qm@web110311.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:30:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-211475078-1226086229=:22964 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I definitely support the recommendation. The Music Lesson, while not a great novel, has some really great ideas for = conceptualizing and realizing Music... =A0 JK --- On Fri, 11/7/08, Raul Bonell wrote: From: Raul Bonell Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 11:05 AM 2008/11/7 Per Boysen =A0but that doesn't mean I'm a practicing shaman ;-))=A0 Per Boysen Don't trust him! All we've seen what he's capable of doing with all those m= achines and instruments! Hundreds of pitches waving the space, all coming f= rom a sigle flute!! His music is really shamanic! (if such a term exists!) :-) :-) he,he,he ...= =A0 Raul. p.s. victor is from outer space. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com --0-211475078-1226086229=:22964 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I definitely support the recommendation.
The Music Lesson, while not a great novel, has some really great ideas for conceptualizing and realizing Music...
 
JK

--- On Fri, 11/7/08, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Friday, November 7, 2008, 11:05 AM



2008/11/7 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
 but that doesn't
mean I'm a practicing shaman ;-)) 

Per Boysen

Don't trust him! All we've seen what he's capable of doing with all those machines and instruments! Hundreds of pitches waving the space, all coming from a sigle flute!!

His music is really shamanic! (if such a term exists!) :-) :-) he,he,he ... 

Raul.

p.s. victor is from outer space.
--0-211475078-1226086229=:22964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:41:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AEC83BE8A; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Live vs Bidule Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:41:47 +0100 Message-ID: <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Index: AclBB2YVlmZ+ebi4SBS3oLS8XZZ2uQACTTrw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.26; VDF: 7.1.0.49) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:41:51 +0000 (UTC) in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does anyone use both? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 19:52:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20723BE8B; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=SJ3kWdT1KgWZOTr4ZKDIEFVzLQ+IhsrbBAys1K1DGeM=; b=Epr7+hBvs2omApsQqIIG2NkUWZ/pV3+c9AqvlfMouwQW5oWy55laiVhi7hToN/K1my xXSrPQgNMwht2u28VMobGTNkt+7IuB6V5Ibu6q1mRWtWTimAXA3fStFoVTZe1ftb2qKY Hi1Ah8QIbIKlT++lQKu3XYG3VH821qXrMFHXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DH22OBDC2wBz3XTRWza5nR0bMBOvEk/FXTZFwDmSNU10FBtPFWcO5iYCWmw6ZGb9Ii EHPnv3UczCOLyeffQyfukBVLe4kDli5sFhYPASzqHrkSNCKgFFkR6YM1ha1UnPlnz6f6 cM6uSgg7lIXOzW8QI3CNDIBWTGl852o9SKHe8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:52:29 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:52:30 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton > Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does > anyone use both? > > -Michael In simple terms.... --> Live has - a sequencer, - exciting effect plug-ins, --> Bidule has - CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand, - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any more things that these two applications do not already share. The both offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing, recording, plug-in hosting. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:17:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 276F53BE92; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=mafHOE/vcE9Sr4es3a4qjG0z35b101nQPqPwSqz0gJK7Qkaz3UvGtmpPwSZZ+1d84VnNZx0N1zG0xnS8h3E1tBU8RSxQbrHBW+JPKWnEaZMAZkgNSp4K09RwoeKXkuncyhl7RW0EJFJGZ1cQIIqvTBofWWou0TSuPjxf2CE9wDE=; X-YMail-OSG: c0w1yOkVM1nW4yxyIx7B3aA04oJH67BAKVf8xPY4bsArVIv8.WK1PhoicAJkqX.yOmtRvBFOb5aFkWeocXMuRLB9cgHy7drLRz_0DL4fHrLSo0l._603NjR7rD51UUSd2FWu9sNPRRRhINQl4hgk6pNpweA6DtlzSRPl3nYypt7XlNSqknEjQ2cOkRI- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:17:36 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <163618.88344.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:17:38 +0000 (UTC) When I started doing live looping I assumed that I needed to use Live. But I struggled with it for quite some time, and eventually tried Bidule (which is what I currently use). Live by itself is not a very good live looper, IMO. You'l still need a VST looper plugin. At that point, one might easily view Live as a lot of overhead for nothing. I prefer Bidule because it's based on the idea of patchable components, so I can patch together exactly what I need, and nothing extra. Live straddles the line between performance software and a full-blown DAW. A workflow I've found to be really powerful is to do the looping in Bidule/Mobius, and afterwards pull the various Mobius loop clips in to Live for arrangement/mixing. I am having a major blast working like this! -George ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Peters To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 11:41:47 AM Subject: Live vs Bidule in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does anyone use both? -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:23:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9493BE93; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=4f5c9sro+HPrXqssvdyrmaqUhHf9wxLqdADA5XHhBJs=; b=paO4BWgepIt5LPxK/5TyOT1Qxs2+XQLhMsUf+UV125OnHoUA2pNr5LwkSl/gUbznJg WLnjEFZO7JH9GKkAlleE2Ab30WymMbTryUWvP1IVccGew4fvlmWE8coyT+H0vRMMttFI R7TMwG4Z4KJaeszlnTafbFDFylo3x1rQBfs78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hPNf4+++ABg7LZyWTM6tjZ8/hNqVH3C5sBJXSSFKvKfvPREQhe536WIC+9yobtfTks BSVXDXE+xpgk1dLwvhSDLnM0Us3viOhVrOrHmqY2KTw8fbKr9ydn7IqP0yMfxxQd7gOj YCX1Edrw+c35MPxBbuUlkRNNsGaoLSuPb/S1w= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:23:14 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16494_32790295.1226089394408" References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3cd12cceb419a743 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:23:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16494_32790295.1226089394408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Slightly veering from the topic, but maybe someone can help me here... I have some quite hefty musical score to do for work soon, (not experimenta= l at all) but to do it I have told my boss that I need some new software than my out dated copy of Reason. So a new copy of version 4 will me mine soon, but... I also need to record some live audio along with the reason tracks. Now, I DDONT usually record multi-track stuff (my own music is always LIVE onto 2 tracks, with a bit of post tweakage and editing) BUT when I have don= e a little... I have just used Reaper (discovered during the NinJam craze, an= d I love it) which synchs to Reason very well, AND provides a video window (needed, Im doing film music here). HOWEVER... If I was to get my boss to buy me another (more PRO) program, fo= r multi-track audio recording and synchage to Reason... what??? I think My options are. Logic (awaiting Per=B4s recomendation already) ProTools (have used a bit before - industry standard, so I would learn a useful package) Live (Is this a "proper" multi-track recorder - mainly drawn to it cos it seems very er... cool, and possible to do some ker-razy stuff too) Now before anyone starts saying "why dont you use one of these programs wit= h soft synths and stay in one program.... the reason is that I already have a large reason library, I find it usefull to have all the synths in one package, instead of constantly trying out new vsts (fun at home, but dangerous at work) What would people suggest? Mark On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > > in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use > Ableton > > Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or > does > > anyone use both? > > > > -Michael > > > In simple terms.... > > --> Live has > - a sequencer, > - exciting effect plug-ins, > > --> Bidule has > - CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand, > - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) > > Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any > more things that these two applications do not already share. The both > offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing, > recording, plug-in hosting. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_16494_32790295.1226089394408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Slightly veering from the topic, but maybe someone can help me here...
<= br>I have some quite hefty musical score to do for work soon, (not experime= ntal at all) but to do it I have told my boss that I need some new software= than my out dated copy of Reason. So a new copy of version 4 will me mine = soon, but... I also need to record some live audio along with the reason tr= acks. Now, I DDONT usually record multi-track stuff (my own music is always= LIVE onto 2 tracks, with a bit of post tweakage and editing) BUT when I ha= ve done a little... I have just used Reaper (discovered during the NinJam c= raze, and I love it) which synchs to Reason very well, AND provides a video= window (needed, Im doing film music here).

HOWEVER... If I was to get my boss to buy me another (more PRO) program= , for multi-track audio recording and synchage to Reason... what??? I think= My options are.

Logic (awaiting Per=B4s recomendation already)

ProTools (have used a bit before - industry standard, so I would learn = a useful package)

Live (Is this a "proper" multi-track rec= order - mainly drawn to it cos it seems very er... cool, and possible to do= some ker-razy stuff too)

Now before anyone starts saying "why dont you use one of these pro= grams with soft synths and stay in one program.... the reason is that I already have a large reason library, I find it usefull to have all the synths in one package, instead of constantly trying out new vsts (fun at home, but dangerous at work)

What would people suggest?

Ma= rk




On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:5= 2 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div class=3D"Wj3C7c">On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Abl= eton
> Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, o= r does
> anyone use both?
>
> -Michael


In simple terms....

--> Live has
- a sequencer,
- exciting effect plug-ins,

--> Bidule has
- CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand,
- Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo= )

Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any
more things that these two applications do not already share. The both
offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing,
recording, plug-in hosting.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedi= sh)
www.looproom.com = (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/mar= kfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_16494_32790295.1226089394408-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:26:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A4D63BE97; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=MQAEfDNesoIjhd09AOy1gr5dlE6wAHTph8vQvfwasw8=; b=th4reGO05a6ZBA9RxPoDkzlEhNweVgLq7sQlaYuTqE3yJX9tW5lpZ7mptXXL/q2YWA Qc9lr4BeekCc7uHjszDLb2awr8P1mBKF3youqvRw/iOMKNzuQDjVoE8mCi50lIk3VJ+7 /dnWjGQYsrPSYUw+Z5huV0gbCV5E9m3O6rdr8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=A9mUgzS5WzBtV+x2TkgZh0IGMN3DqgJTU4Syk5nsSEAiCLod+KbnTAhqePDh1L0mk0 pTGW1iwSTQ5J7tKmVjmxo6nnSeM3A9MU3TMuB+lZ7DIaxC7u4QWaDJ9g9vaH5n2laraQ KluIHAzFigFrk+UQ+A1Xa6bOmf4yYhra6Zs6U= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:26:34 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16568_31246722.1226089594982" References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d1ecd70bd6f8a7f2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:26:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16568_31246722.1226089594982 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing. > > Mark > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >> > in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use >> Ableton >> > Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or >> does >> > anyone use both? >> > >> > -Michael >> >> >> In simple terms.... >> >> --> Live has >> - a sequencer, >> - exciting effect plug-ins, >> >> --> Bidule has >> - CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand, >> - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) >> >> Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any >> more things that these two applications do not already share. The both >> offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing, >> recording, plug-in hosting. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_16568_31246722.1226089594982 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing.






Mark





On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton
> Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does
> anyone use both?
>
> -Michael


In simple terms....

--> Live has
- a sequencer,
- exciting effect plug-ins,

--> Bidule has
- CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand,
- Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo)

Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any
more things that these two applications do not already share. The both
offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing,
recording, plug-in hosting.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_16568_31246722.1226089594982-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:30:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 613DC3BE94; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=1PQ4zIEM5w/t39lLuB4tg4f18HC6So5dgw/XJ++oyRM=; b=LS1/0cp0hZ4CIuCF23cvrhvQc/XotRlJJKD8AaQJQC2X/gIGqjiKCpLHhtFfILLUUI 6020XjVG7tBd/SSHcz4nW+/UKugrwEu/ro4Xwboo1vvDhYQADRWxnkwtwuiqkDje839u J36zbgHJQzWFK52K2AcJ1uKcFWAvsg7k4NTGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kE4XRazV/E3Gd3UP2EKNRtIcMMb7a7/SJZF+htBWsKn89AdWRx0M7uUJTvfUMnXJCu pxs4p1S/XsAKT2eYEeHZHBSi6W/ja49FVVryf1fZIbHhUF4vVj9p1CCcnH50jlDpivRV s4lGdMw0AHdg7VxdhXVx2kYOU6pReHFhFgRXM= Message-ID: <101191640811071230y9cb3029gd785355a8ad26524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:30:43 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_57797_20990868.1226089843437" References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 64c6897977091823 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:30:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_57797_20990868.1226089843437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe wrote: > OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME > as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music > (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just > got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project > comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and > composing. > > Well, that lets out Logic. Live will give you both platforms for one license fee. don't know about the others. ------=_Part_57797_20990868.1226089843437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing.


Well, that lets out Logic. Live will give you both platforms for one license fee. don't know about the others.

------=_Part_57797_20990868.1226089843437-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C84C33BE93; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dXkUF4zLLvOYr8PycKRQ+SlzgvEG9oP0tW+LhtUoX+CReC5KpJZF74TaDNQLq8vCSbZPacwMHfHWfCcVNaY0Uy4fYOBLEbDxKwS3JsfXuzygWi4deHA/l4Hbtevsrup0glTbaw3wMu/N/eo3NV/doZHwXyjqwTo+Fr6HeezlWOo=; X-YMail-OSG: OumESVgVM1kKYbFdpkwiiyKW.689sMkwlSIbFVhRy0nRnJSBZ950salJzpRarB2XQlzZ5MoogG1cegcWRZzoN9WCMbw2vEQT8eUsqSAmRXCWEn5kAgB8IbHxgfd8ziF8pMjZcO7ts1dYHkQe6IhHTixji4WdjxSwJYUWTXNS3kttJQDvs7QG0o.E3V0- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:32:23 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-234214597-1226089943=:20254" Message-ID: <22834.20254.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <60YPPD.A.IAH.YXKFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:32:24 +0000 (UTC) --0-234214597-1226089943=:20254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I won't comment on Logic because I've not personally used it. But I've used= ProTools extensively, and here are the downsides:=0A=0A1. No automatic del= ay compensation in ProTools LE. This is a pretty big deal. If you don't alr= eady realize what a big deal it is, then it's probably an even bigger deal.= =0A2. bare bones midi editing implementation=0A3. you have to use digi IO h= ardware(or m-audio).=0A4. proprietary plug-in format.=0A=0AOn the plus side= , it is an industry standard. A friend of mine who used to work only in Log= ic took a ProTools class and told me he was surprised by how much better th= e the PT mixer sounded compared to Logic.=0A =0A=0ALive is pretty cool. But= if I was doing traditional multi-track music production (like recording a = band), or if I was doing audio for video, I would prefer ProTools. For mode= rn synth dance-oriented stuff, Live is the killer app.=0A=0A-George=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: mark francombe =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Friday, Novem= ber 7, 2008 12:23:14 PM=0ASubject: Re: Live vs Bidule=0A=0ASlightly veering= from the topic, but maybe someone can help me here...=0A=0AI have some qui= te hefty musical score to do for work soon, (not experimental at all) but t= o do it I have told my boss that I need some new software than my out dated= copy of Reason. So a new copy of version 4 will me mine soon, but... I als= o need to record some live audio along with the reason tracks. Now, I DDONT= usually record multi-track stuff (my own music is always LIVE onto 2 track= s, with a bit of post tweakage and editing) BUT when I have done a little..= . I have just used Reaper (discovered during the NinJam craze, and I love i= t) which synchs to Reason very well, AND provides a video window (needed, I= m doing film music here).=0A=0AHOWEVER... If I was to get my boss to buy me= another (more PRO) program, for multi-track audio recording and synchage t= o Reason... what??? I think My options are.=0A=0ALogic (awaiting Per=B4s re= comendation already)=0A=0AProTools (have used a bit before - industry stand= ard, so I would learn a useful package)=0A=0ALive (Is this a "proper" multi= -track recorder - mainly drawn to it cos it seems very er... cool, and poss= ible to do some ker-razy stuff too)=0A=0ANow before anyone starts saying "w= hy dont you use one of these programs=0Awith soft synths and stay in one pr= ogram.... the reason is that I=0Aalready have a large reason library, I fin= d it usefull to have all the=0Asynths in one package, instead of constantly= trying out new vsts (fun=0Aat home, but dangerous at work)=0A=0AWhat would= people suggest?=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM,= Per Boysen wrote:=0A=0AOn Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 P= M, Michael Peters wrote:=0A> in simple terms, what is the r= eason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton=0A> Live compared to programs = like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does=0A> anyone use both?=0A>= =0A> -Michael=0A=0A=0AIn simple terms....=0A=0A--> Live has=0A- a sequencer= ,=0A- exciting effect plug-ins,=0A=0A--> Bidule has=0A- CPU saving ways of = keeping huge fx patches at hand,=0A- Let's you run a plug-in looper as the = sync master (1st loop set tempo)=0A=0AExcept for the above mentioned discre= pancies I can not think about any=0Amore things that these two applications= do not already share. The both=0Aoffer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short= lead here), mixing,=0Arecording, plug-in hosting.=0A=0A--=0AGreetings from= Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.boysen.se (Swedish)=0Awww.looproom.com (inter= national)=0Awww.myspace.com/perboysen=0Awww.stockholm-athens.com=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A-- =0Awww.markfrancombe.com=0Ahttp://vimeo.com/user825094=0Ahttp://uk= .youtube.com/user/markfrancombe=0Ahttp://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe=0Aww= w.looop.no=0A=0A=0A=0A --0-234214597-1226089943=:20254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I won't comment on Logic because I've not personally used= it. But I've used ProTools extensively, and here are the downsides:
1. No automatic delay compensation in ProTools LE. This is a pretty big de= al. If you don't already realize what a big deal it is, then it's probably = an even bigger deal.
2. bare bones midi editing implementation
3. you= have to use digi IO hardware(or m-audio).
4. proprietary plug-in format= .

On the plus side, it is an industry standard. A friend of mine who= used to work only in Logic took a ProTools class and told me he was surpri= sed by how much better the the PT mixer sounded compared to Logic.
 = ;
Live is pretty cool. But if I was doing traditional multi-track music production (like recording a band), or if I was doing au= dio for video, I would prefer ProTools. For modern synth dance-oriented stu= ff, Live is the killer app.

-George

From:<= /span> mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com<= br>Sent: Friday, November = 7, 2008 12:23:14 PM
Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule

=0ASlightly veering from the topic, = but maybe someone can help me here...

I have some quite hefty musica= l score to do for work soon, (not experimental at all) but to do it I have = told my boss that I need some new software than my out dated copy of Reason= . So a new copy of version 4 will me mine soon, but... I also need to recor= d some live audio along with the reason tracks. Now, I DDONT usually record= multi-track stuff (my own music is always LIVE onto 2 tracks, with a bit o= f post tweakage and editing) BUT when I have done a little... I have just u= sed Reaper (discovered during the NinJam craze, and I love it) which synchs= to Reason very well, AND provides a video window (needed, Im doing film mu= sic here).
=0A
HOWEVER... If I was to get my boss to buy me another (= more PRO) program, for multi-track audio recording and synchage to Reason..= . what??? I think My options are.

Logic (awaiting Per=B4s recomendat= ion already)
=0A
ProTools (have used a bit before - industry standard= , so I would learn a useful package)

Live (Is this a "proper" multi-= track recorder - mainly drawn to it cos it seems very er... cool, and possi= ble to do some ker-razy stuff too)
=0A
Now before anyone starts sayin= g "why dont you use one of these programs=0Awith soft synths and stay in on= e program.... the reason is that I=0Aalready have a large reason library, I= find it usefull to have all the=0Asynths in one package, instead of consta= ntly trying out new vsts (fun=0Aat home, but dangerous at work)

What= would people suggest?

Mark




On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:=
=0A
=
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters = <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
=0A=0A> in= simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton=0A> Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice vers= a, or does
=0A> anyone use both?
=0A>
=0A> -Michael
= =0A
=0A
=0A
In simple terms....
=0A
=0A--> Live h= as
=0A- a sequencer,
=0A- exciting effect plug-ins,
=0A
=0A--&g= t; Bidule has
=0A- CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand,=0A- Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set temp= o)
=0A
=0AExcept for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not thin= k about any
=0Amore things that these two applications do not already sh= are. The both
=0Aoffer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), m= ixing,
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=0A=0A = --0-234214597-1226089943=:20254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:33:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21A983BEA2; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bqpJLavlCkJzwXpiXK7wa8b5QkUg64ROjoljtCCFg0zfTzjtOMZqS6aHIKBw6K2/h2LTa83EyFRAdJBq+4k4TABbAUq2AfWtE4S72MTnXE7r9oFntc/o8NSxjNbtBuf+dp0OE2BiQ3MPZQpAAP+0eg6VcnUuxXz2NQfs+ytD2FU=; X-YMail-OSG: 1ZhdWJUVM1kwBMUT.KN0hyNRuRhUseVT_A4oOwW8Nt2Ugq.a6e78PXjRyv_CuE7JFZChTEM5Jsuzkkf.Que0fTyuREsVZBoMldbWwaGpO82D6SbKjqgyZf0z0N4lyuHwA58uVbGdF2HRf8LfH2PjBtNJU9aIYMbUhtqEIjd5tXc3DMAGUgkjL4_7ebw- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811071230y9cb3029gd785355a8ad26524@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 12:33:05 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2102984497-1226089985=:65376" Message-ID: <310590.65376.qm@web50306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:33:06 +0000 (UTC) --0-2102984497-1226089985=:65376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ProTools also give both platforms for same license. ________________________________ From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 12:30:43 PM Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe wrote: OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing. Well, that lets out Logic. Live will give you both platforms for one license fee. don't know about the others. --0-2102984497-1226089985=:65376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
ProTools also give both platforms for same license.

From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 12:30:43 PM
Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule



On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:26 PM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing.


Well, that lets out Logic. Live will give you both platforms for one license fee. don't know about the others.


--0-2102984497-1226089985=:65376-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 20:39:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C57C43BE85; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VlCjvrAc5wlrmIT6YClCqrYktvbOFBiinudWA7JJEU4=; b=TIOrUQnpXBQ0UZu+WhpVQw3NVSrG+kkJRqN2TWVYBUL03LD7+r8q0WMDMrfX/gWm4k Q2pyVN9UY2cjxGpMOzLJWJSOLRZOK158NfTYXhJqZ442kN9Lw0d+euRkEGYaYAWhh2WD MT3RelICzHV/MuUJZjA/65SHZDvkeCtFNRkDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W7lfClgg993z3qUskIAsdThUB0StK3A64jFC5drZVl4KItdYoejq0R2O2e5siuez/I lY8waDwV1CQRQe6XbRdAfGL9Xk/Jpw5pvst06TqSNlkqnRCADLwRghmu6KN2vNOzUjZv OID2dM+SnKGmEq64Qlsi7t9Yk7AEN/gpUpoaY= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811071239x7f6e7274r8f7a1a55e98eb1f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:39:23 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26936_12602631.1226090363217" References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071226mb81fef7gff4e2496909fffe8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 20:39:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26936_12602631.1226090363217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've just done both :) http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1338801&l=3b68d&id=588575754 Mac for Pro Tools & Video, PC for Ableton & the rest! 2008/11/7 mark francombe > OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME > as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music > (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just > got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project > comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and > composing. > > > > > > >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters wrote: >>> > in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use >>> Ableton >>> > Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or >>> does >>> > anyone use both? >>> > >>> > -Michael >>> >>> >>> In simple terms.... >>> >>> --> Live has >>> - a sequencer, >>> - exciting effect plug-ins, >>> >>> --> Bidule has >>> - CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand, >>> - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) >>> >>> Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any >>> more things that these two applications do not already share. The both >>> offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing, >>> recording, plug-in hosting. >>> >>> -- >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.myspace.com/perboysen >>> www.stockholm-athens.com >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.markfrancombe.com >> http://vimeo.com/user825094 >> http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe >> http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe >> www.looop.no >> > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_26936_12602631.1226090363217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've just done both :)

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1338801&l=3b68d&id=588575754

Mac for Pro Tools & Video, PC for Ableton & the rest!

2008/11/7 mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com>
OH.. forgot to mention... I would very much prefer it if the program CAME as both mac and PC... Im currently thinking of going back to PC for music (just because my Mac is full, and I need that for video stuff - and I just got a new PC) BUT.. one day, when that big freelance film music project comes by I would like to buy a mutha- of a mac for serious recording and composing.







Mark





On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de> wrote:
> in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton
> Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does
> anyone use both?
>
> -Michael


In simple terms....

--> Live has
- a sequencer,
- exciting effect plug-ins,

--> Bidule has
- CPU saving ways of keeping huge fx patches at hand,
- Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo)

Except for the above mentioned discrepancies I can not think about any
more things that these two applications do not already share. The both
offer routing (maybe Bidule takes a short lead here), mixing,
recording, plug-in hosting.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no



--
Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
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Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk
------=_Part_26936_12602631.1226090363217-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 21:20:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DC523BE91; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=l+jzE4tDe/dA2Lxz5UvA5A902LHGQr5i1wT+WXbFZ+0=; b=dU8PSzFJulW+lDdT8ZWI9/03sDI0KZCo6JtQdVdPHpYQ70CgqPpm+3YYSERgpD4Q0N 3SgWra7EDEBd+brdv9JgwPkh3CXlXBEQ1YL7aXNw7LPPcGqfhN1S3Cpb2ktZ+LJ9hZaD iixNOOvPOqAIDzA5sCoS+MliyZkNVwitIuzFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=teFuvIDoWTGWTf+kYcgD7cGUAKGzHoUT6iPhTVFpRQx7tp/iv6zY9KLTsD3FtyZkqL OHOt7+x74dXSlug6w1mzQqQ3i1ZNSTzHjoXzRA+TDshpQBGNv9FH6SW7UD3eFzs5IHHD OYSUQA17ZpksUKnVIMloYIcceFn86gGPUSsik= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811071320i55397320s4308aa534b94aea4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:20:28 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811071223h7a4d0bfap8e00cd8295da3902@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:20:29 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:23 PM, mark francombe wro= te: > Logic (awaiting Per=B4s recomendation already) Ok, since you brought it up ;-) But get the Pro Studio 8 version so you won't be disappointed later on. ReWire syncing Reason channels directly into Logics mixer is now very simple with L8. This is a great combo that many use. Logic is easy to get around for "composer type" of guys that want to start the music at the left margin and write their way to the right margin and being able to see it all as a time line on the screen and maybe cycle a certain part to work on the musical details in a microscope way. I think Logic Pro 8 Studio is the most all round package among these three because you don't need anything more. It comes with the biggest sample/canned loops library too (if you are so inclined). Oh, one thing that really hooks me to Logic is its global micro tonal tuning: as long as you use the built-in instruments you can chose any micro tonal tuning and key and all those wonderful instruments will instantly retune to play back your piece in the new tuning. I can spend hours just playing back synth music I have made just for the fun of exploring how it sounds in Juste Tuning, 12-tone Pythagorean, in Bulgarian Bag Pipe Tuning or in Chinese Lu scale by Huai Nan Zi, Han era (P. Amiot 1780, Kurt Reinhart). There's also different kinds of Hermode Tuning available, which is what a choire or string quartet may use since each note is performed with a slightly different intonation by each player depending on what note the other players are playing at that particular moment in time - the goal being to create as full sounding chords as possible in every part of the piece (which is not possible with tempered or fixed tuning). For those looking for a great arpeggiator Logic is not good alternative. Better ARP in both Live and Pro Tools (the Transfuser add-on plug-in) > ProTools (have used a bit before - industry standard, so I would learn a > useful package) Pro Tools 8 is coming out soon, december/january. Digidesign is now pulling the same trick Apple did with Logic 8; offering lots of, formerly expensive add-on, effect and virtual instrument plug-ins bundled with the application. So if you're going for PT now, make sure you can upgrade to PT 8 on the ticket. With ProTools, you need to get an audio interface that is passed by Digidesign. The M-Audio boxes work great with ProTools but users have had problems with them in other applications (especially the less expensive interfaces). Pro Tools and Logic are very similar. In the past I have found Logic easier to use but this may change when PT 8 comes out, as the rumors have it. > Live (Is this a "proper" multi-track recorder - mainly drawn to it cos it > seems very er... cool, and possible to do some ker-razy stuff too) I agree. Live is fun and creative. It draws on the MPC concept, where you cycle looped chunks of audiio or MIDI "in pattern mode" and then chain it together into the final composition "in song mode". Many users are very happy with the combo Reason ReWired into Live. But although I have used Live a lot I have never been able to make a mix sound as good in Live as is possible in Logic (or ProTools if you invest in additional plug-ins). All the best Per (staying in this friday night listening to "Doomed: Dark music for tortured souls [SomaFM]") From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 21:25:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCA9A3BE95; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 104755664/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.233.2/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.233.2 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwBAPtAFElPTukC/2dsb2JhbAAIymuDVoNC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,566,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="104755664" Message-ID: <4914B300.8060803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:28:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Ableton for looping, Bidule for LiveLooping For playing pre-recorded clips, Ableton is prefered, and then it's possible to liveloop within it as well. Bidule is more for live use, though it wouldn't be difficult to record and mix with it. ..being a Bidule user (tho' only for testing, not live work) I find it incredibly easy to use. The routing is achieved by dragging virtual cables from one "device" to another, so for chaining up vst-plugins (au too on mac) there's no learning curve at all. Bidule implements time sync between vst plugins in a way that no other host does. You can sync any plugin to any other plugin with complete freedom. (works too!) and Bidule's cheaper. hope that's not too much info about Bidule andy butler Michael Peters wrote: > in simple terms, what is the reason for you as a livelooper to use Ableton > Live compared to programs like Audiomulch and Bidule? or vice versa, or does > anyone use both? > > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 21:37:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C51453BE97; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MI9MpUyhDZLK/88mHNvhjDmo2jcQvS9xt36iejQgbUA=; b=UHQVJlvlRnbuL0IVJZPakiqcVpbpVVd/a1pJmANU1n6lRwKKz3x5WzXUebcqcfig1q X2LMQ9OPPjgIN8grrabmcV3SobrOKXmYwsF9l0T9Vv2Z3m51LWpPR4lz/Mt+Rda9cqem PMp3wUa/59j2FBvBSFBcLe58ckRuvMhgdOEWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w0LFMvvKZR8tjJTw0Wg98VktANulRM0OUnqQH8vUrJl6XVdge+x3J44r7sTBoVrGSP hjVAsCxVpDZzu5RtX1nXYyx1/8O6U6yHjT/yIXoRLjc+HbLkWe5+84PKGct4HcAO5Xqk xwhCRI2Tc2wUgd56i6sCUFCQXHmlO163BlSKw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811071337xe5ae5bck95d859c035a8f4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:37:14 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811071133y6a7cb304q859330bd77b46a75@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> <41873.24092.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811071133y6a7cb304q859330bd77b46a75@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Red is the fastest! Beware of green for outdoor gigs. Never bring black cables to Scandinavia (better mind those Killer Snails!) Per oh... and don't use looped cables - too difficult to plug them in. On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 8:25 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > another simple but very wise advice Rick Walker once gave me and i thank him for that is: > "always use color cables" > > >> >> Most inspiring was actually Per's advice to really use >> a pedal board case/bag for my RC-50 setup. (thanks very >> much, Per!!) >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 22:38:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 341273BE92; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-829658053 From: "Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist" Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 17:37:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:38:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-829658053 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Warren, I haven't heard the Preludios Americanos, but will look for them. I agree, breathing regularly & in a relaxed way is crucial to good playing technique. I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to bring about relaxation. I have been working on adapting the movements & breathing techniques of T'ai Chi for musicians. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. I also started with a pillow to replace the foot stool (a Dynarette pillow), but have more recently switched to a Murata guitar support. It is a little platform that attaches to the underside of the guitar, & rests on my left thigh, raising the guitar & making it comfortable to play. Yes, I have also noticed famous players like Paul Galbraith (http://www.paul-galbraith.com/engl/fotos.htm), who have adapted the guitar to be played in a cello-like position. Interesting adaptation. I think the Murata guitar support is sufficient for me at this time. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA Begin forwarded message: > From: "Warren Sirota" > Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: > semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) > > Likewise, Eduardo. I will definitely check out the Carlevaro - I used > to play a couple of the Preludios Americanos. Probably my favorite > classical guitar pieces ever. And, also, I have found breathing to be > incredibly important in practice (once I discovered that I typically > held my breath for 20 seconds at a time while playing difficult > passages, I found the discipline of sighing softly while playing these > passages to be very effective in helping me relax into them instead of > "stressing" into them). I may look into that Vermont retreat for next > year. > > I gave up on footstools many years ago - i have had back issues for a > long time, and the weird assymetry forced by footstools always seemed > somewhat punitive. Instead i got a funny-looking little pillow-type > thing that sits on my leg to lift the guitar into a better position (I > got it from the SF store Guitar Solo probably 25 years ago). But I've > been very intrigued by a couple of guitarist that i've seen who have > modified their guitars to be almost upright, more like a cello. it > seems that the left hand is less stressed that way. not so sure about > the right. > > Warren --Apple-Mail-2-829658053 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Warren, I haven't heard the Preludios Americanos, but will look for them. I agree, breathing regularly & in a relaxed way is crucial to good playing technique. I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to bring about relaxation. I have been working on adapting the movements & breathing techniques of T'ai Chi for musicians. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. I also started with a pillow to replace the foot stool (a Dynarette pillow), but have more recently switched to a Murata guitar support. It is a little platform that attaches to the underside of the guitar, & rests on my left thigh, raising the guitar & making it comfortable to play. Yes, I have also noticed famous players like Paul Galbraith (http://www.paul-galbraith.com/engl/fotos.htm), who have adapted the guitar to be played in a cello-like position. Interesting adaptation. I think the Murata guitar support is sufficient for me at this time. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA Begin forwarded message: Helvetica0000,0000,0000From: Helvetica"Warren Sirota" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) Likewise, Eduardo. I will definitely check out the Carlevaro - I used to play a couple of the Preludios Americanos. Probably my favorite classical guitar pieces ever. And, also, I have found breathing to be incredibly important in practice (once I discovered that I typically held my breath for 20 seconds at a time while playing difficult passages, I found the discipline of sighing softly while playing these passages to be very effective in helping me relax into them instead of "stressing" into them). I may look into that Vermont retreat for next year. I gave up on footstools many years ago - i have had back issues for a long time, and the weird assymetry forced by footstools always seemed somewhat punitive. Instead i got a funny-looking little pillow-type thing that sits on my leg to lift the guitar into a better position (I got it from the SF store Guitar Solo probably 25 years ago). But I've been very intrigued by a couple of guitarist that i've seen who have modified their guitars to be almost upright, more like a cello. it seems that the left hand is less stressed that way. not so sure about the right. Warren --Apple-Mail-2-829658053-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 22:52:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D7223BE98; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <20081107163858.CD8F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <004701c94100$50e8a880$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Y2K8 mp3s Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 15:52:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2008 22:52:13.0259 (UTC) FILETIME=[796151B0:01C9412B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:52:15 +0000 (UTC) No one has sent me any links or mp3s yet. I am asssuming some people recorded their own set, and I know Rick recorded some. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Y2K8 mp3s > er, where are they? didn't people here talk about them? the mp3 page > doesn't > seem to contain any mp3s except two tracks with Krispen. > > -Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 22:56:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3429B3BE92; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+gBcSr+ZLXuNW8UTWcFpC8r+I7ZU4Mb/nb9ZijQqKnQ=; b=iOzWZ29rURkDMk70GcaZh4WvSE5YCCDFIpZF0li2Dy/DKwDZejllKXRgdQr7oXWRS3 /AZhWZAF7ICcCCp0+NjVrWMqZCYpZlQQvd6uGbHlwFc11wtPjQ5g1tiS9PObgcU2z4jL 0iMUh3bN29eAyTX9irgXO7reCSJmEPgw3py/M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XUyN8xf7ZeIb65qbZ2A1+JvWsjGH6iamR9puoaz+zXQbGBD/qpsK+0Trxm07WIcKg8 Mnbuighj8ttMH8JMsHr3z8KUdK1mzD9crQNBXXb4cf4Yc4BS11pEGpuLF1b3sfFTtILK uCP66gFnSdO8ReAGYWksm52FWL3pzoJR/TRug= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:56:32 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 22:56:34 +0000 (UTC) I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to bring about relaxation Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. Focusing a lot more on what i can do with my fingers..small percussion and all this has lead to a discovery and investigation of the piano...a first for the drum enthusiast. Indeed...like rick says...eventually all drummers who start looping will branch out to be multiinstrumentalists. The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my breathing and vice versa. now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early the perrels of improper breathing. ....having subscribed to regular breathwork, I find looping music the best to listen to when one goes into it. Been having Great fun attempting to breath in long slow breaths to eterogeneos long pads. Thanx, Eterogeneo. great vibes Byron On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist wrote: > Hi Warren, > > I haven't heard the Preludios Americanos, but will look for them. I agree, > breathing regularly & in a relaxed way is crucial to good playing technique. > I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to > bring about relaxation. I have been working on adapting the movements & > breathing techniques of T'ai Chi for musicians. Since I have found so much > benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played > with the idea of doing local workshops. > > I also started with a pillow to replace the foot stool (a Dynarette pillow), > but have more recently switched to a Murata guitar support. It is a little > platform that attaches to the underside of the guitar, & rests on my left > thigh, raising the guitar & making it comfortable to play. Yes, I have also > noticed famous players like Paul Galbraith > (http://www.paul-galbraith.com/engl/fotos.htm), who have adapted the guitar > to be played in a cello-like position. Interesting adaptation. I think the > Murata guitar support is sufficient for me at this time. > > Blessings, > > Eduardo Martinez > musician - composer - artist > www.EduardoMartinez.com > www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic > Nashua, NH USA > > Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Warren Sirota" >> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: >> i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >> >> Likewise, Eduardo. I will definitely check out the Carlevaro - I used to >> play a couple of the Preludios Americanos. Probably my favorite classical >> guitar pieces ever. And, also, I have found breathing to be incredibly >> important in practice (once I discovered that I typically held my breath for >> 20 seconds at a time while playing difficult passages, I found the >> discipline of sighing softly while playing these passages to be very >> effective in helping me relax into them instead of "stressing" into them). I >> may look into that Vermont retreat for next year. >> >> I gave up on footstools many years ago - i have had back issues for a long >> time, and the weird assymetry forced by footstools always seemed somewhat >> punitive. Instead i got a funny-looking little pillow-type thing that sits >> on my leg to lift the guitar into a better position (I got it from the SF >> store Guitar Solo probably 25 years ago). But I've been very intrigued by a >> couple of guitarist that i've seen who have modified their guitars to be >> almost upright, more like a cello. it seems that the left hand is less >> stressed that way. not so sure about the right. >> >> Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 7 23:38:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19F863BE94; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 387 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 23:38:53 UTC X-ME-UUID: 20081107233225706.AC80E1C0008A@mwinf1909.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-832925601 From: o.malhomme@laposte.net Subject: Electrix repeater CFC Cards ? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:32:25 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <4tM1zB.A.mkF.NGNFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:38:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-832925601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hello back. I've been away from this list for quite a few years... I have had the pleasure to get a repeater to replace my old JamMan... The Vortex is now connected to it... But my point is as following: I just bought a brand new Sandisk 512 mb card for it. Unfortunately, after formatting it will says "card slow". I tried to visit the archives pages (but there is such a huge output I couldn't manage) The electrix site and it's forum are gone... I have no idea how the identify a good card that will work, espcially when buying through a net store... I am sorry if there is a FAQ somewhere... I spent quite a time searching the net, without success... Any information is welcome. If it is boring, please email me privately. Thanks in advance Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-2-832925601 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida GrandeHello back. I've been away from this list for quite a few years... I have had the pleasure to get a repeater to replace my old JamMan... The Vortex is now connected to it... But my point is as following: I just bought a brand new Sandisk 512 mb card for it. Unfortunately, after formatting it will says "card slow". I tried to visit the archives pages (but there is such a huge output I couldn't manage) The electrix site and it's forum are gone... I have no idea how the identify a good card that will work, espcially when buying through a net store... I am sorry if there is a FAQ somewhere... I spent quite a time searching the net, without success... Any information is welcome. If it is boring, please email me privately. Thanks in advance Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-2-832925601-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 00:19:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46DB23BE94; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:19:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:19:16 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #605 for November 6, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4914DB04.2030105@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: <4FDgK.A.yyH.qsNFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:19:54 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081106.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #605 November 6, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 on AmbientLive Records. Awakenings: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Mythos S.S.O.-4 Surround Sound Offensive (none) Ashley, Roedelius, squiggle errata (ne-pen-the) and Story Kees Aerts Move Forward and If One Door Closes (Groove) Discover John Lakveet Gate 6 The Last Nine Convoys from Magori Station (ad21) VA [Chaos Research] Maametalli Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 disk 1 (AmbientLive) VA [Modultor ESP] Gynomatik Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Skin Mechanix] Dimension Jump Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [The Glimmer One Room Flat Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Room] VA [ ['ramp] ] Ozone Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Cult of Ashand] A Call To Arms Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Create] Lost Dreams Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [The Omega Out of Hybernation Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Syndicate] VA [Awen] Good Wolf Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Gert Emmens] Rendezvous with Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) 2006 MN 4 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series in the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 on AmbientLive Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 02:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE98D3BE8A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-845154155 From: "Eduardo Martinez - musician, composer, artist" Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:56:13 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:56:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-845154155 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Hi Byron, Sorry to hear about your injury. I agree with what you say about the importance of breathing when playing, It is crucial for wind instrument players, for example, where composers & players learn to create a piece that has the normal (& sometimes not-so-normal ;-) breathing spaces in between the notes & passages. But all instrumentalists & vocalists need to learn conscious breathing techniques for their music playing. I also appreciate your comment about the need for such information, i.e. T'ai Chi for Musicians. Makes me think more seriously about how to organize & disseminate this information. Best in your continuous recovery. Seems like you enjoy looping music while getting better & better. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA Begin forwarded message: > From: "Byron Howell" > Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: > semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) > > I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the > elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit > for myself, I am wanting to share > this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local > workshops. > > A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would > support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented > me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. > > The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my > complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on > my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady > pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new > breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have > begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my > breathing and vice versa. > > now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that > failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension > somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse > tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in > order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for > ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians > playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your > still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early > the perrels of improper breathing. > --Apple-Mail-2-845154155 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hi Byron, Sorry to hear about your injury. I agree with what you say about the importance of breathing when playing, It is crucial for wind instrument players, for example, where composers & players learn to create a piece that has the normal (& sometimes not-so-normal ;-) breathing spaces in between the notes & passages. But all instrumentalists & vocalists need to learn conscious breathing techniques for their music playing. I also appreciate your comment about the need for such information, i.e. T'ai Chi for Musicians. Makes me think more seriously about how to organize & disseminate this information. Best in your continuous recovery. Seems like you enjoy looping music while getting better & better. Blessings, Eduardo Martinez musician - composer - artist www.EduardoMartinez.com www.MySpace.com/EduardoMartinezMusic Nashua, NH USA Begin forwarded message: Helvetica0000,0000,0000From: Helvetica"Byron Howell" < 0000,0000,0000Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. < The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my breathing and vice versa. now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early the perrels of improper breathing. < --Apple-Mail-2-845154155-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 03:08:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 204833BE9E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=GQwUZ2tJ5Td7BujGxPPExc6tQP5dUlmHghNoEibxQVU=; b=pOKN8DHYNLwqQ7+8qnG8jy8UKwEAjDsVGkaPPWRR8x7ty6TTUfPzvCLl46lC4OHbUA NcCSTM/M7qFV33uKXvXaxLoRb2pw7AlIfkJn/Pgnbk7JLclMAHdGRUCc+Ve3Yatb4/w3 ogH+yoK2dn1gfT9MC/UEcGtIdsN8db1MuqWso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=aNmaCKaZom6Koae2KxHiPJ8n0c7SvtBZ1kCOzzTI61BH0LMhZM7Ig4ubd/YPy8LkwX UWr6tlUvzqQtzqSAoUgjO3khoqM99N82EAGsiPfrObx/7AiOyK+iod+Z6u4j9gPh3f/h BY2tr8MPgWsDTDjD3iKKsOXJxlFSkibolsQo4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:08:58 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Syncing in Live + headphone output in live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 54c82c1f78adab9f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 03:08:59 +0000 (UTC) Hey everyone, I've looked in quite a few places and I'm not finding any answers, but sorry in advance if this is easily found in the live instructions somewhere. I'm practicing extracting clips from songs, applying affects, and then using the clips interspersed into the original songs, so I get practice with changing up tracks as they play. The only problem I'm having is that, when I have a full song on loop in one track, and i have it set to loop, it loops back to the beginning of the song but all the clips i got from it (during the previous play) are now out of sync with the song. It looks like, at the bpm the song is and live is set at, that it should have the beats at exactly the same times it did on previous plays, but it doesn't, they're all shifted a little. I've been solving that for clips recorded using my kaoss pad by just manually telling it where a measure starts, and it syncs its clips accordingly. How can I do that same thing for ableton live, so it will either sync beat 1 of the whole song to the samples, or the samples to the song? Also, I have a firebox, and I'd like to output certain tracks in ableton to my speakers via the firebox (currently working great) and certain tracks only to my headphones. Where should I plug my phones in (firebox?, comp?, kaoss?) in order to let me select those as an alternative audio source to my speakers. Thanks! Nick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 04:27:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D1733BE98; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=edKznwu6Wqud0O7LdmWZbAz24bzb70BNalxwDreukF8=; b=NE/dKeKbm05VbAfU30DdIEMWAScTqj65uSUNRFwWhT958RbHSGmAZYm+mF+71hSMxj kaNNNBYMrI4eEGkBryk13tGxlnJWziTl2ZSCoWYlzMa5IvYgc/eiTeXWoQ8j8u5gwv20 ARbU6LmBHH1T1ZLJv20pFQOLoLIOGGOSanbuU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Z4RCPafKjkam8B68nllb8416eum2OhvN/EtZnSfc870KI9RmFHku+e62KJ8sL+1lEq WbilrqWS6Ow8VsCOgyKy+0vAZLQP/xrsVuzAUZT80cftyMFEKOvlFTZP5PwJV7l75pnb ncncL7ZKCcL3BJ75qgcA6yUnn+0eRTvY8CKhc= Message-ID: <3fa302e30811072027p48365b0et5e7f5f6944d722e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 23:27:51 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:27:52 +0000 (UTC) There's a book called "The Saturated Self", (I forget the author), which explores the affects of the information explosion and postmodern polyglot society. There is a consequence of having anything and everything available immediately=97the dulling of newness, surprise and our ability to find quality in the ever-growing mass before us. The book is probably 20 years old and seems prescient to me now. As much as I love to explore my guitar, it's harder and harder to find meaningful notes to play, what with electric guitar being used to sell everything from hamburgers to barbie dolls. The electric-jazz-rock vernacular has been so co-opted that it feels more refreshing to me to play folk music these days! (this is quite possibly a sad admission of a personal failing) 8-) I'm with Ted=97howling at the moon when the spirit strikes. On 11/7/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i've been listening to PANDORA a lot lately.....upon hearing music that > years > ago sounded "experimental" to me, now sounds commonplace often > self-indulgent.....perhaps not the best example: in the 70's i was drivin= g > back to > pittsburgh from california (really fast, no speed limits) through the > arizonia salt > flats.....a clear night, stars above and reflected off the flats, a 360 > degree > star fest and in front just a thin line of road with the white lines doin= g > their > strob thing in the headlights.....a new EMERSON LAKE AND PLAMER tape > blasting > out of the speakers.....OMG!!!!!.....perhaps this was not experimental mu= sic > but i had not heard anything like this before and was totally blown away, > much > like hearing morton sobotnic's "silver apples of the moon" for the first > time > (a pivitol point in my music life).....i no longer have these tapes or > records but PANDORA not only allows me to revist these past listening > experiences > but also to hear a ton of "new', "experimental", whatever music.....what = i > think > i am trying to say and perhaps it's been said before (i love redundency, > it's > the only way i learn) is, TIME takes the gleam off of > "experimental".....rainer's pointing out of cage's idea "experimental" is > not knowing how things are > going to turn out was very thought provoking for me.....is a piece no lon= ger > experimental once it has been played.....once i taste the hamburger cover= ed > with lime jello and coconut, the experiment is concluded (please don't tr= y > this > at home).....perhaps communication requires an agreed upon vocabulary, we > somehow have to establish a common ground from which we hope to understan= d > one > another.....maybe this can not be done.....getting back to ELP, after > listening to > TARKUS for what seemed like 2 hours the other day i flew to my puter and = hit > the next tune button, a big case of been there done that, I WANT SOMETHIN= G > NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001) > --=20 Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 05:00:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C9C63BE9E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:00:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226120425; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=IL1wty91IH45W42HcWQmgDmhwWw=; b=gSySmPIIphvDXK3rxUWtjDTdiHKVmGN3QtBvVTQZLAdWpUP4cDp1vFYw9bYt0hmJ XNZTRCu/8PK9I0okjGKoNrWXWrNLN0GYFnFWDGrimh5jemynbgofaaCd0xlJAJv4; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=k5EgZVgvAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=nEJoZ4RnAAAA:8 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=ywlTAdguYBFrnVKgjVsA:9 a=vbL7LweOcGOeJ4797UMA:7 a=n1CLFFQJjiuRV_mfzQdDECO8hDIA:4 a=78ZYP4QifXEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=3lAU4qISyPIA:10 a=AkVCPSoTnsoA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000901c9415e$e8f39aa0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <3fa302e30811072027p48365b0et5e7f5f6944d722e1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 00:00:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:00:26 +0000 (UTC) naturally, I was able to instanly find all about this book and even read some of at the click of a mouse. http://www.swarthmore.edu/SocSci/kgergen1/web/page.phtml?id=booksaturated http://www.amazon.com/Saturated-Self-Dilemmas-Identity-Contemporary/dp/0465071856 http://tinyurl.com/646748 Everything I want to know or see or hear, and I remember when it wasn't so. I am from the first tv generation. At least there sre still books, for now. They slow down life and let me savor the moment. http://books.google.com/books?id=SrLwPdBJodMC I'll check the library. Sounds good. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikkoz" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? There's a book called "The Saturated Self", (I forget the author), which explores the affects of the information explosion and postmodern polyglot society. There is a consequence of having anything and everything available immediately—the dulling of newness, surprise and our ability to find quality in the ever-growing mass before us. The book is probably 20 years old and seems prescient to me now. As much as I love to explore my guitar, it's harder and harder to find meaningful notes to play, what with electric guitar being used to sell everything from hamburgers to barbie dolls. The electric-jazz-rock vernacular has been so co-opted that it feels more refreshing to me to play folk music these days! (this is quite possibly a sad admission of a personal failing) 8-) I'm with Ted—howling at the moon when the spirit strikes. On 11/7/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > i've been listening to PANDORA a lot lately.....upon hearing music that > years > ago sounded "experimental" to me, now sounds commonplace often > self-indulgent.....perhaps not the best example: in the 70's i was driving > back to > pittsburgh from california (really fast, no speed limits) through the > arizonia salt > flats.....a clear night, stars above and reflected off the flats, a 360 > degree > star fest and in front just a thin line of road with the white lines doing > their > strob thing in the headlights.....a new EMERSON LAKE AND PLAMER tape > blasting > out of the speakers.....OMG!!!!!.....perhaps this was not experimental > music > but i had not heard anything like this before and was totally blown away, > much > like hearing morton sobotnic's "silver apples of the moon" for the first > time > (a pivitol point in my music life).....i no longer have these tapes or > records but PANDORA not only allows me to revist these past listening > experiences > but also to hear a ton of "new', "experimental", whatever music.....what i > think > i am trying to say and perhaps it's been said before (i love redundency, > it's > the only way i learn) is, TIME takes the gleam off of > "experimental".....rainer's pointing out of cage's idea "experimental" is > not knowing how things are > going to turn out was very thought provoking for me.....is a piece no > longer > experimental once it has been played.....once i taste the hamburger > covered > with lime jello and coconut, the experiment is concluded (please don't try > this > at home).....perhaps communication requires an agreed upon vocabulary, we > somehow have to establish a common ground from which we hope to understand > one > another.....maybe this can not be done.....getting back to ELP, after > listening to > TARKUS for what seemed like 2 hours the other day i flew to my puter and > hit > the next tune button, a big case of been there done that, I WANT SOMETHING > NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1773 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 9:08 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 08:16:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C232F3BE9E; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49154B56.4060609@dehnhard.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 09:18:30 +0100 From: Tilmann Dehnhard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: pretty simple moebus question References: <66f9cc1e0811060417u5ff73d96p260e1f00f4f860d1@mail.gmail.com> <319713.39374.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316E0E2@barq.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316E0E2@barq.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/9V10EF666LVL+dux9ZtmGIipJewJiXuBmucs NRWRNFut7SeExYRgFfRLz71h0GLSwVd7pGnbikFHMsZ120mWga os94o4QOT+t6qvqVHqUOGnc5AqyQ0MW Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:16:42 +0000 (UTC) thanx per, luis, jeff for your answers. i will use my usual workaround tonight: adding a dl4 to my setup... the two-presets-idea seems to be the ticket, i'll try it next week. best - tilmann Jeff Larson schrieb: > Sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the lists lately... > Did I miss anything interesting :-) > > >> Perhaps writing a preset with track sync mode= off and switching back >> to track sync mode=on,dont quote me on it thought but i think i tried >> it once and it worked. Luis >> > > If the goal is to have some tracks that are kept in sync and > some that just freewheel like ambient drone backgrounds, then > the best way is as Luis says. Make two presets one with > Track Sync on and another with it off. Then select the desired > presets for each track in the Track Setup. > > Jeff > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 08:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D802E3BE98; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iyuVBx9UPBrPQ93VUuAuy3isEK1pZn6c/LHvXJBVt8g=; b=hFZMUG/u0Hyt9ScCinXGIr+MJsn3v9u5fLkEf9ssszf8POtuhOlf6JeBgwMTB07VJM kUkI/fT8eks0O5ghaLxan3Sxbmz0FvoRRZvEc/ao/Xq+671GVEmekXNVQqIl3zRiJEAz 9xSqmOCbc37Fz7xJ/0xWymayySbyLsV98953Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Swf1UmIypucAdjVpZbFvKFIZ8emRzdmNCqtfrxB+kVbbNWCKSJqnXR4YxqJr+i4HqQ Cz1FQgTtvh8eUgNoaqLcdh1QLQQVsFvqB+bgEqIu5IDVRZFjvxs5BUe2+xGY/6x4c1bT aPSHcbTEv5ejtu8jDB+J+NN0VTMKXTvhuMMzI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811080030t465b59deo3e72b37ed695e98a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:30:05 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Electrix repeater CFC Cards ? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2078_26213621.1226133005582" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: dd055882255202b5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:30:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2078_26213621.1226133005582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline you should ask at the repeater yahoo groups list... they talk about nothing else than which disks work... :-) m On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net < o.malhomme@laposte.net> wrote: > Hello back. > I've been away from this list for quite a few years... > > I have had the pleasure to get a repeater to replace my old JamMan... > The Vortex is now connected to it... > > But my point is as following: > > I just bought a brand new Sandisk 512 mb card for it. > Unfortunately, after formatting it will says "card slow". > > I tried to visit the archives pages (but there is such a huge output I > couldn't manage) > The electrix site and it's forum are gone... > > I have no idea how the identify a good card that will work, espcially when > buying through a net store... > > I am sorry if there is a FAQ somewhere... I spent quite a time searching > the net, without success... > > Any information is welcome. > If it is boring, please email me privately. > > Thanks in advance > > Olivier Malhomme -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_2078_26213621.1226133005582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline you should ask at the repeater yahoo groups list... they talk about nothing else than which disks work...

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On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:32 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net <o.malhomme@laposte.net> wrote:
Hello back.
I've been away from this list for quite a few years...

I have had the pleasure to get a repeater to replace my old JamMan...
The Vortex is now connected to it...

But my point is as following:

I just bought a brand new Sandisk 512 mb card for it.
Unfortunately, after formatting it will says "card slow".

I tried to visit the archives pages (but there is such a huge output I couldn't manage)
The electrix site and it's forum are gone...

I have no idea how the identify a good card that will work, espcially when buying through a net store...

I am sorry if there is a FAQ somewhere... I spent quite  a time searching the net, without success...

Any information is welcome.
If it is boring, please email me privately.

Thanks in advance

Olivier Malhomme



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------=_Part_2078_26213621.1226133005582-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 09:11:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A939A3BE8D; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sTx7ebUfzuLTrvLXmEZV1K5NFL26ph2aX/a6356V0Xc=; b=THunEWZX08AuaQhZGrbUq5vuDGaR2auub8Kj7+VSyJsGQWyDBc9fX8/3FUVkujJ1Ec Fs+KL2xAP8KGAfkH6fdPl12HEVjPCEnSEO9d+bH3lD607YbxVi8e9QtnBC++d+g1k2J4 miFBhhL3Iy/H0CrlE2/mK47jeKtRn3CihsigI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uTAGyoctd4uuWiXADOAN6YrVzyuLYrOsDltN8JKTXSfaz8QI8woc2JKNuhsz0zI7+o 3MH3BS4cpSU9tJKDGdlDnXcTfJ+6sfR9wBA7u0cbkQt3MKEylvoXR21g5w46UEBSw6zv go5DxVbaje+XfUKioZSfH/XL1UDSPpX3IhIxw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811080104p7b6124edqa4886579eb79bd17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:04:30 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Syncing in Live + headphone output in live In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <9kfw6C.A.42C.ueVFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:11:10 +0000 (UTC) The people that are DJ-ing with live, instead of two turntables and a mixer, are very cautious to get the warp markers correctly placed before they start. There has even emerged a business of selling dance tracks already "pre warped". "Correct warp marking" means that the rhythmic bar cusps in the sounding audio line up with Live's internal timing grid. As soon as you import an audio file into Live it examines the file for transients and sets a temporary tempo map. But it may not always come out right. Better check it by ear and correct manually if necessary. Your issue may also have to do with not cutting out the clips exactly on the cusps. Or maybe you are re-recording into a new track and catching a bit of latency? There is also a command for rendering a new track and maybe that's better? Anyway, you should be able to get a straight answer over at the Ableton Live forum. Per On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Nick wrote: > Hey everyone, > > I've looked in quite a few places and I'm not finding any answers, but > sorry in advance if this is easily found in the live instructions > somewhere. > > I'm practicing extracting clips from songs, applying affects, and then > using the clips interspersed into the original songs, so I get > practice with changing up tracks as they play. The only problem I'm > having is that, when I have a full song on loop in one track, and i > have it set to loop, it loops back to the beginning of the song but > all the clips i got from it (during the previous play) are now out of > sync with the song. It looks like, at the bpm the song is and live is > set at, that it should have the beats at exactly the same times it did > on previous plays, but it doesn't, they're all shifted a little. I've > been solving that for clips recorded using my kaoss pad by just > manually telling it where a measure starts, and it syncs its clips > accordingly. How can I do that same thing for ableton live, so it will > either sync beat 1 of the whole song to the samples, or the samples to > the song? > > Also, I have a firebox, and I'd like to output certain tracks in > ableton to my speakers via the firebox (currently working great) and > certain tracks only to my headphones. Where should I plug my phones in > (firebox?, comp?, kaoss?) in order to let me select those as an > alternative audio source to my speakers. > > Thanks! > Nick > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From ibrahim.usman2@gmail.com Sat Nov 8 10:25:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from po-out-1718.google.com (po-out-1718.google.com [72.14.252.155]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B60DC3BE81 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by po-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id b23so2763583poe.0 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=ix49dCORgvRWfiTOFisatuYSSPxkhzSLhCpKNPgt0tU=; b=n2DLhHNKRoauI8KNz7XOt6qkwyKI+Dx6KSxK2pLDGM01mY2e+OEl10Pe22A4/XXhrO oNB9z/lJCU9d0/0M1Y4e4HDC0/CopW0E+WBEmcuP5oaYKv2AdIg9txHx44kY8umFTHRr scWRrDIhYS10T2N8YxKOLAV7tdiPugizWZ5kQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Qqq4fwnfGy9EO0NvDcdI1NBqBvHJxraI2aku05xSa+/5QM98Jg3/s0yNn8LqvgKBAQ g+vHWfcoLu1OsyDKuHWYGqEfhWKX/EhPgGXX2INUmpd2gz9gy68b67ukdnioViYXCkHz rkoaqF0fxRYayg+TQi7dkUBcLKzOTD6yKR6Xw= Received: by 10.114.182.1 with SMTP id e1mr2095389waf.22.1226139922936; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:25:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.115.17.13 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 02:25:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <32ecd7510811080225y2a8dad18i323d92976362a22@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 10:25:22 +0000 From: "Ibrahim Usman" Reply-To: ibrahim_usman1@yahoo.com Subject: URGENT/ASSISTANT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35264_1262659.1226139922915" To: undisclosed-recipients:; ------=_Part_35264_1262659.1226139922915 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *FROM: MR IBRAHIM USMAN* *AUDITING / ACCOUNTING DIRECTOR INTERNATIONAL BANK OF AFRICA(BOA) BURKINA-FASO WEST AFRICA.* **** *My dear I am contacting you in regards to a business transfer of a huge sum of money from a deceased account. Though I know that a transaction of this magnitude will make anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. I decided to contact you due to the urgency of this transaction.* ** *PROPOSITION; I discovered an abandant sum of $11.5M(Eleven Million Five Hundred thousand United states Dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his entire family. Since his death, none of his next-of-kin or relations has come forward to lay claims to this money as the heir. I cannot release the fund from his account unless someone applies for claim as the next-of-kin to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Upon * * this discovery, I now seek your permission to have you stand as a next of kin to the deceased as all documentations will be carefully worked out by me for the funds $11.5M(Eleven Million Five Hundred thousand United statesDollars) to be released in your favour as the beneficiary's next of kin.It may interest you to note that I have secured from the probate an order of madamus to locate any of deceased beneficiaries. Please acknowledge receipt of this message in acceptance of my mutual business endeavour by * * furnishing me with the following; 1. Your Full Names and Address.* *2. Direct Telephone and Fax numbers.* * These requirements will enable me file a letter of claim to the appropriate departments for necessary approvals in your favour before the transfer can be made. I shall be compensating you with $4.6 Million Dollars on final conclusion of this project, while the rest $6.9Million shall be for me. Your share stays with you while the rest shall be for me for investment purposes in your country.* ** *If this proposal is acceptable by you, do not take undue advantage of the trust I have bestowed in you, I await your urgent email.Please reply in this my alternative email address only ibrahim_usman1@yahoo.com for confidential reasons. *** *Regards,* *Your;s faithfully, MR IBRAHIM USMAN* ------=_Part_35264_1262659.1226139922915 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
FROM: MR IBRAHIM USMAN
AUDITING / ACCOUNTING DIRECTOR
INTERNATIONAL BANK OF AFRIC= A(BOA)
BURKINA-FASO = WEST AFRICA.=
     
 
My dear I am contacting you in regards to a business transfer = of a huge sum of money from a deceased account. Though I know that a transa= ction of this magnitude will make anyone apprehensive and worried, but I am= assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. I decided to con= tact you due to the urgency of this transaction.
 
PROPOSITION; I discovered an abandant sum of $11.5M(Eleven Mil= lion Five Hundred thousand United sta= tes Dollars) in an = account that belongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with hi= s entire family. Since his death, none of his next-of-kin or relations has = come forward to lay claims to this money as the heir. I cannot release the = fund from his account unless someone applies for claim as the next-of-kin t= o the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Upon

this discovery, I now seek your permission to have you sta= nd as a next of kin to the deceased as all documentations will be carefully= worked out by me for the funds $11.5M(Eleven Million Five Hundred thousand= <= span id=3D"lw_1168548360_3" style=3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #0066cc 1px dashed">United sta= tes Dollars) to be = released in your favour as the beneficiary's next of kin.It may in= terest you to note that I have secured from the probate an order of madamus= to locate any of deceased beneficiaries.
 
Please acknowledge receipt of this message in acceptance of my mu= tual business endeavour by

furnishing me with the following;
1. Your Full Names an= d Address.
2. Direct Telephone and Fax numbers.

These requirements will enable me file a letter of claim t= o the appropriate departments for necessary approvals in your favour before= the transfer can be made. I shall be compensating you with $4.6 Million Do= llars on final conclusion of this project, while the rest $6.9Million shall= be for me. Your share stays with you while the rest shall be for me for in= vestment purposes in your country.
 
If this proposal is acceptable by you, do not take undue advan= tage of the trust I have bestowed in you, I await your urgent email.Please reply in this my alternative email address only ibrahim_usman1@yahoo.com for confidential reasons.


 <= /strong> 
Regards,
Your;s faithfully,
 MR IBRAHIM USMAN
------=_Part_35264_1262659.1226139922915-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 11:39:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82D1A3BE92; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Mountain Cablevision Ltd Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-876508104 Message-Id: <01CE08B0-AFE6-40DC-905F-D26F982EF47E@mountaincable.net> From: Chris Subject: Re: OT: new kalimba album release Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:38:47 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:39:00 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-876508104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I too have become interested in kalimba ... I have a transducer on mine ...hooked up to a waldorf and an rc 20. On Nov 7, 2008, at 8:18 AM, RP Collier wrote: > Greetings! > > I've been intending for quite a while to make some albums that are > exclusively thumb piano, and now 'tis finally starting to happen! > New all thumb piano album just released on the Lonely Whistle labe4 > pole andl: > > RP Collier - LAMELLAPHONE > explorations in non-traditional music for kalimba, mbira, sansa, > thumb piano > > Envisioned as a zeppelin journey to bring shoes to Sasquatch, > the album is a set of minimalist songs using found object thumb > pianos from the Flickr set: > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > The tracks are improvisational, many with some looping. > > Best deal is from the Lonely Whistle website, $7 domestic postage > paid: > http://www.doncampau.com/lw2007variousartists.htm > > It is also available at CD Baby where there are audio clips of most > of the tracks: > http://cdbaby.com/cd/rpcollier4 > and iTunes, Amazon etc. > _________________ > > Also fyi, Don Campau of the Lonely Whistle label has broadcast and > internet radio shows that spotlight indie, small label, home > recording, and he happily accepts submissions for airplay. > Contact info: > http://www.doncampau.com/ > http://www.doncampau.com/npinfo.htm > > > regards > > > BobC > Chris magestic12@mountaincable.net --Apple-Mail-1-876508104 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I too have become interested in kalimba ... I have a transducer on mine = ...hooked up to a waldorf =A0and an rc 20.
On Nov 7, 2008, = at 8:18 AM, RP Collier wrote:

Greetings!

I've been intending for quite a = while to make some albums that are exclusively thumb piano, and now 'tis = finally starting to happen!
New all thumb = piano album just released on the Lonely Whistle labe4 pole = =A0andl:

RP Collier=A0 = -=A0 = LAMELLAPHONE
explorations in = non-traditional music for kalimba, mbira, sansa, thumb piano

the album is a set of minimalist = songs using found object thumb pianos from the Flickr set:
The tracks are improvisational, many with some = looping.

Best deal is from the Lonely Whistle website, $7 = domestic postage paid:

It is also = available at CD Baby where there are audio clips of most of the = tracks:






=

magestic12@mountaincable.net<= /a>



= --Apple-Mail-1-876508104-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:00:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03BA13BE8B; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081108120043748.B69781C00084@mwinf2724.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-877823129 Message-Id: <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> From: o.malhomme@laposte.net Subject: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:00:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:00:45 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-877823129 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's=20 instrument. 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Lucida GrandeAt Lucida Grandeage Lucida Grande26, Lucida GrandeI Lucida Grandediscovered Lucida Grandevery Lucida Grandeearly the Lucida Grandeperrels = Lucida Grandeof Lucida Grandeimproper Lucida Grandebreathing. < = --Apple-Mail-4-877823129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:08:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C60D3BE91; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jFQYVwOMn8MsGni5Z/Ep1gFBD88HNV42qD2WNsX36mQ=; b=IY5jsMu1UPMJq790TXZH+gotsieZLhPr5+5vatAqeO9+vSWTXDIfi+p0MsQ7JUEvKb 9xybF4gMYO0FN+Xzmvh3EHaVIzaZnOFIXLPKY6efpCAlYjUkEUh96sIDD7xjAFvwN649 ervAMcu0JznXDEyQMPIP4ZGgsANSd61dQBmzI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Hvq8o0xEFUDBKaP92mFUXQxUjt+W7xrsu8V9gYQMD2pW/t+WKwoZppCw9e3je2lABS vODCva1EmYxJeoHUeB7wHseITDql3Z96g+KuxotJZsJMcdDLCeZvkZYNIgISmlXmVVLm nin+s3wed075v6q8MpN28OQYZXu9vzXWhf8bE= Message-ID: <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:08:06 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breathing In-Reply-To: <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60529_22757509.1226146086061" References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:08:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_60529_22757509.1226146086061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any aspect of life. For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious communication with the unconscious movements of life. Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. -nn www.happyhumans.org On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net < o.malhomme@laposte.net> wrote: > Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument. > I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, > uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injuries = and > so on. > > And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play > guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath an= d > "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my > saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. > > This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks becaus= e > of this "new age" talk... > > > Regards > > Olivier Malhomme > > > Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com a > =E9crit : > > >> From: "Byron Howell" >>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-O= T: >>> i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>> >>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit >>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>> workshops. >>> >>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would >>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented >>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>> >>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my >>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on >>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady >>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new >>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>> breathing and vice versa. >>> >>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse >>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your >>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early >>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>> >>> >> ------=_Part_60529_22757509.1226146086061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any aspe= ct of life.

For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in= a conscious communication with the unconscious movements of life.

Isn't that what (some) music is?  To a degree, at least.

-n= n
www.happyhumans.org

=
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ la= poste. net <= o.malhomme@laposte.net> wrote:
Of course breathi= ng is as an important thing to work as one's instrument.
I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, uneffecti= ve breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injuries and so on.<= br>
And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play guit= ar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath and = "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swal= low my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes.

This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks because = of this "new age" talk...


Regards

Olivier Malhomme


Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.= com a =E9crit :


From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i= recommend Victor Wooten's book)

I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the
elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit for = myself, I am wanting to share
this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local
workshops.

A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would
support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented
me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. <snip>

The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my
complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on
my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady
pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new
breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have
begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my
breathing and vice versa.

now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that
failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension
somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse
tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in
order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for
ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians
playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your
still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early
the perrels of improper breathing.
<snip>

------=_Part_60529_22757509.1226146086061-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:23:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 682903BE8A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=FhfumwIIMGle7zxk2tNyXENaADQ8uWYxyjIfrKSSJQE=; b=RyUH80o0NKNasUaeBw9sVsXCBUKyvWshYx0s6D1T5HkG+wO4qi5cXkhykNsubvaFew 9fea66z8LUXHRwRpDml4skyD28BQjRDLLibK+N0cDUyl4q121FReP7wimRe1M54vxOIY Yhxxg/m022zCcqE2Ks8yIkgZAzt7EzUXv7KL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jTEem8zNXkoYBfo5j47uHy8S4JAU5ApdMfwGBHF+NZE9BwExH1OnhVmTUR0grf1ahd 1I+bT+GIHBcxCwKcKp1g+pVH9ugRdvd4d3KpOyjWDRgqRe+bh4ToVsyrL/UMIE/+kviU Xey6Gc6LAP+5QzVJ2Sls1hXBl4G0w3vL2K7Os= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:23:33 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:23:35 +0000 (UTC) Krispen said: "For me, the term provided enough confusion and ambiguity that I removed it from my festival and changed the name to the Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival. Still uses problematic terms, but easier for me to address." You believe they are less problematic? I ran a group which worked on freely improvised contemporary (electronic) dance music. In that context, I found that the big majority of people see "improvised" as synonymous with "Jazz". And for that reason, I think "experimental" fits better for your festival (at least the way it was this year), simply because there were more acts which the majority would put into the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" category. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:46:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E55A3BE80; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wVEp6EUO366EPk14s7nWlpjNvD5RsW0K64/kR1vOmLM=; b=OT8OV8uGXWviF7VKs5XU0RCQ7hdxbj3v8a2M21y1oy9tn8W6aWHgYb75rUNj/OrgcD q8qeZsIseKUSbf1AM68cRsdQicTF0qCrqr/Q7Sy4NPds9EWj07jQv4Y091E3ffxssLuQ yTmBlxV8tSXvjt2jtyKqUL2i3PrA2ocYUJItU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=O2O5nIhueL0pFFeTbkrEN23xvUIHE4gOxj245Rd5c2sJThdXcG/Nc/caNS888C7/XO MBF3UQUpyk7wxJgiMgFXJE03N5RjXrmc/WueqMB5QDfAjx+DZNNFmKn0OvZdLby7SVg7 zWuE+519pLL6Js4YAjajOGMPYEwJu3lX39jEU= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:46:08 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breathing In-Reply-To: <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:46:09 +0000 (UTC) For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious communication with the unconscious movements of life. . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first place to start f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument. I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some time, i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands and on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset play is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano plaers or drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks because of this "new age" talk... Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted cheese onto investigating breathing Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and crowd interaction :) the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to much work.... Byron On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere wrot= e: > Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any > aspect of life. > > For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious > communication with the unconscious movements of life. > > Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. > > -nn > www.happyhumans.org > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net > wrote: >> >> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument= . >> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injuries= and >> so on. >> >> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play >> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath a= nd >> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my >> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >> >> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks becau= se >> of this "new age" talk... >> >> >> Regards >> >> Olivier Malhomme >> >> >> Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com a >> =E9crit : >> >>> >>>> From: "Byron Howell" >>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>> >>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit >>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>> workshops. >>>> >>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would >>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented >>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>>> >>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my >>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on >>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady >>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new >>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>> >>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse >>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your >>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early >>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 12:54:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CF0B3BE87; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kK2I5/OFEtHG/SSFBIeM4cDy4gOiomtz3cTfgxgEqn8=; b=p7pq/J7vGvytvr2ZL5r3KhNvbKt+0r1H60adMo6ZKUskaHPoC4U85KN7GchftNi/nH +ZmS7rP6utnBvE4jDFJUmy5GLbB0gotNf6W7xxX1nQ8qG42mhTTU5UcAAB32kIBHa+2n f+sOyLGaZpEFROBMPZLcwxFLnX3+akQxoIrBw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=PMs1nBOTD6TFIo3/l9vm0sdSDNkCj3kJ20NlTl385vVq5sxmg5lCnk9JRlSjZ3CMv1 m88sdUMh8pY4dkXuzYRta9LyClKX/qtO6ZJGBF5bwL8/vnozcz7yAIcSEO1wE9QKevpN LbH0GiuqKy5iKpo0+gO5k0WEg6BW+Pjep3vxg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:54:53 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breathing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:54:55 +0000 (UTC) there were more acts which the majority would put into the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" category. This catagory decribing experimntal music as "Musc that no-one likes" I have found most amuzing, not to point of asphixiation , but close. perhaps an audience conducting breathwork sureing "music noone likes" concerts will help the average audience hear better.. I am often confronted with remarks from the music eminating from my speakers at home....hehe...I read a phrse in an electronic mag earlier today..."Its noise...But I like it" was the title of a glitch roientated vst article. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Byron Howell wrote= : > For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious > communication with the unconscious movements of life. > > . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we > filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the > same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement > equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first place > to start > > f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument. > I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... > > Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some time, > i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. > Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same > experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time > > I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. > > Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing > in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal > performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , > the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands and > on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset play > is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state > is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players > wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or > drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano plaers or > drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so > easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In > my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. > > > This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks > because of this "new age" talk... > > Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted > cheese onto investigating breathing > > > Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a > situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written > that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A > simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and > experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the > breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath > going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and > crowd interaction :) > > the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a > weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to > much work.... > > Byron > > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere wr= ote: >> Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any >> aspect of life. >> >> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >> >> Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. >> >> -nn >> www.happyhumans.org >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net >> wrote: >>> >>> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrumen= t. >>> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >>> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injurie= s and >>> so on. >>> >>> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play >>> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath = and >>> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my >>> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >>> >>> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks beca= use >>> of this "new age" talk... >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Olivier Malhomme >>> >>> >>> Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com = a >>> =E9crit : >>> >>>> >>>>> From: "Byron Howell" >>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>>> >>>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefi= t >>>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>>> workshops. >>>>> >>>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would >>>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevente= d >>>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>>>> >>>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my >>>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on >>>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady >>>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing ne= w >>>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>>> >>>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse >>>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your >>>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early >>>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:11:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 405173BE89; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=R41QVv83ngYackXav1TFD4fy6DNK7htj+8ZB8HEMULU=; b=rSnUsh4lPJMnMV1tcQKOZ+mygzg/GNumpANFSGbQ0bJOtzvDVTDkwSzFnzSSbo3VrA JLo5P175yKbqmV/vNTfURxJ3GYUeeSC5V/5UIYrC8BWw5pEQLqcxOr7Mqs5GYcxmmxNb bzI/DLS+5287UUFQtuj02vZd9XNODGjoREVOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jRbOA6/lBSyv0hH6kvFm0iHHI7T22I798aeiN0L4NDcvxyftNWnExH6qQtPOEpNE/o 5tGGPTTxTjMiLQ9A36G/j/5wUA8aOYfFktrElY4uKCk8YODbOkoStiCpyyR313RxfuOs 1cSBNSWpn39ypdKRns/jBFMrzHnzArICr68ac= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:11:11 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen said: > "For me, the term provided enough confusion and ambiguity that I > removed it from my festival and changed the name to the Boise Creative > and Improvised Music Festival. Still uses problematic terms, but > easier for me to address." On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > You believe they are less problematic? Good point there, Rainer! Krispen, how about "Boise New Music Festival"? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:12:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D173BE85; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4d5DnW5yAAAA:8 a=P79dYoXqt2AQq2O7qeUA:9 a=YffLUq8F-Qcc-qNpB4-AvfsXRKEA:4 a=mEX8ouApAV0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=yvZ1BPFDISIA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <93C1B009-C8DC-4D1B-8974-0ECF44542731@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:12:44 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <3ql-2.A.fUC.NBZFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:12:46 +0000 (UTC) I'll take it one step further. Farting is just as important as =20 breathing. I practice farting, a lot. On stage it can clear the area =20 immediately around me from drunks, pretty girls, and other =20 distractions. Leaving me to focus 100% on my solitude and music. Its =20 really beautiful. On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > there were more acts which the majority would put into > the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" > category. > > This catagory decribing experimntal music as "Musc that no-one likes" > I have found most amuzing, not to point of asphixiation , but close. > > perhaps an audience conducting breathwork sureing "music noone likes" > concerts will help the average audience hear better.. > > I am often confronted with remarks from the music eminating from my > speakers at home....hehe...I read a phrse in an electronic mag earlier > today..."Its noise...But I like it" was the title of a glitch > roientated vst article. > > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Byron Howell =20 > wrote: >> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >> >> . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we >> filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the >> same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement >> equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first =20 >> place >> to start >> >> f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's =20 >> instrument. >> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... >> >> Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some =20 >> time, >> i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. >> Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same >> experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time >> >> I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. >> >> Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing >> in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal >> performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , >> the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands =20= >> and >> on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset =20 >> play >> is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state >> is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players >> wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or >> drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano =20 >> plaers or >> drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so >> easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In >> my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. >> >> >> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >> because of this "new age" talk... >> >> Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted >> cheese onto investigating breathing >> >> >> Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a >> situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written >> that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A >> simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and >> experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the >> breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath >> going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and >> crowd interaction :) >> >> the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a >> weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to >> much work.... >> >> Byron >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere =20 >> wrote: >>> Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... =20 >>> but any >>> aspect of life. >>> >>> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >>> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >>> >>> Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. >>> >>> -nn >>> www.happyhumans.org >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's =20 >>>> instrument. >>>> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >>>> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, =20 >>>> injuries and >>>> so on. >>>> >>>> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when =20 >>>> I play >>>> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to =20 >>>> breath and >>>> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will =20 >>>> swallow my >>>> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >>>> >>>> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may =20 >>>> thinks because >>>> of this "new age" talk... >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Olivier Malhomme >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-=20 >>>> delight.com a >>>> =E9crit : >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Byron Howell" >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>>>> >>>>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much =20= >>>>>> benefit >>>>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>>>> workshops. >>>>>> >>>>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, =20 >>>>>> i would >>>>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which =20 >>>>>> prevented >>>>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury =20 >>>>>> was my >>>>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have =20 >>>>>> focused on >>>>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a =20= >>>>>> steady >>>>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like =20 >>>>>> practicing new >>>>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i =20 >>>>>> have >>>>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>>>> >>>>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda =20 >>>>>> a curse >>>>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the =20 >>>>>> body in >>>>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but =20= >>>>>> for >>>>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make =20 >>>>>> sure your >>>>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very =20= >>>>>> early >>>>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>>>> >>> >>> >> > From bama.yousuf06@gmail.com Sat Nov 8 13:31:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from qb-out-1314.google.com (qb-out-1314.google.com [72.14.204.171]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 517C33BE7B for ; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qb-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id q13so1058794qbq.26 for ; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:31:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=0rK/AbICpou5H9AaoEyp/u4cByZduIPJeJrFICavBKI=; b=ANOwZbIvI5GjbKaFdYSJuiaaHyZwdi9/ah+WcqmyjU/rhJGh3qRLMmhJWXEy4N+7Ew JDaqfyzogAugMvWATM+EvdlQIjJMo33DvWd01CuO6Wt8JKzs4AoZEVbZ8Ip1F2CkPx6g 9lTesxF7AVZhSdKtiKId/Pz5AHMA6cwX/rX1s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JclRHrkxGI6QJwuv05zcEw6yZQgUA3wQlVME3N/ylISXaXhSuG3W1LbYVUL+8kR26u pPK8dye3NgHWIARCWCDc3KgFVWR4f/dYWIHMGAPwXYcX+xCti8l/WLkwURQ3mvdr2WJ5 6QBL6FTC/o0qLNKfBtzTKAm9xvyJsif1VeWSM= Received: by 10.86.29.8 with SMTP id c8mr5075698fgc.19.1226151109263; Sat, 08 Nov 2008 05:31:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.49.8 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 05:31:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:31:49 +0000 From: "bama yousuf" Reply-To: bamayousuf@yahoo.fr To: bama.yousuf06@gmail.com Subject: TREAT AS URGENT/REPLY IMMEDIATELY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4757_17582188.1226151109254" ------=_Part_4757_17582188.1226151109254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline From the Desk of Dr. Bama Yousuf Manager Bill and Exchange Dept African Development Bank (ADB) Ouagadougou Burkina Faso. 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Manager Bill and Exchange Dept
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Ouagadougou Burkina Faso.


Dear Friend,

I know that this mail will come to you as a surprise. I am the bill and
Exchange manager in African Development Bank .I Hope that you will not
expose or betray this trust and confident that
i am about to Repose on you for the mutual benefit of our both families.


I need your urgent assistance in transferring the sum of $15.6 million
Immediately to your account. The money has been dormant for years in our
Bank here without any body coming for it.

I want to release the money to you as the nearest person to our deceased
customer(the owner Of the account) who died a long with his supposed next
of kin in an air Crash since July 2000.
I don't want the money to go into our Bank treasury as an abandoned fund.


So this is the reason why i contacted you, so that the bank can release the
money to you as the nearest person to the deceased customer.

Please i will like you to keep this proposal as a top secret and delete if
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mutual business endeavour by furnishing me with the following:


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------=_Part_4757_17582188.1226151109254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 13:46:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 241063BE8A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:46:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=gtuAXNjFUbj2xHkHjg8TDkVp+JWs0Zho5zPE9d7ifP4=; b=t5oaUkgeA1ouY49/kpuK2YhnCHIwA9RVVuySZuDR0PATIxvv/OtZiqO+5eo98qaBji 3A07RZOetOuwwO4dTCVD37eod+zNS+RriAt3NnIrW2ggd6ZAg0QrzTngdMDz7k/iVA5v uOsi3Qda9oo1Jb1LbIuN2TN+lxw2T8yha9J4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TDMr0gaJkMq2R/99NzbzAF+9MsnDmznyLx364VIB4aZyva/06Mjp5Iw4m99o81ts54 mpbgOl2GYkSe68/fNe3kPv2uwO9i5+61LOTwxqknDdRTU5zsT7u6/gSkPPLGYoS9SgcA 2JY4BVsm7MI1b4mAmwfBE8DeVCoTD8/GYX0xo= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:46:58 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breathing In-Reply-To: <93C1B009-C8DC-4D1B-8974-0ECF44542731@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> <93C1B009-C8DC-4D1B-8974-0ECF44542731@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1Cv5T.A.6kE.ShZFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:46:58 +0000 (UTC) HoHo! Indeed...Keep the stomach nicely aired....and on all of Chris Live sets documented, the fart loops or present in the music. Best this practice not develop a step forward to regular burps, and grunts (especially if microphones are present) stange loopage indeed. Inspired by much of bio rhythm work on music making with sounds of the body I feared for my future career path of pieces entitled, "My digestive system .part !" when one listens to the body sounds going on, it can get pretty crazy when amplified through a coupe of neat effects.. set the midi clock to the heart beat.... On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I'll take it one step further. Farting is just as important as breathing.= I > practice farting, a lot. On stage it can clear the area immediately aroun= d > me from drunks, pretty girls, and other distractions. Leaving me to focus > 100% on my solitude and music. Its really beautiful. > > > > On Nov 8, 2008, at 7:54 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > >> there were more acts which the majority would put into >> the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" >> category. >> >> This catagory decribing experimntal music as "Musc that no-one likes" >> I have found most amuzing, not to point of asphixiation , but close. >> >> perhaps an audience conducting breathwork sureing "music noone likes" >> concerts will help the average audience hear better.. >> >> I am often confronted with remarks from the music eminating from my >> speakers at home....hehe...I read a phrse in an electronic mag earlier >> today..."Its noise...But I like it" was the title of a glitch >> roientated vst article. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Byron Howell >> wrote: >>> >>> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >>> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >>> >>> . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we >>> filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the >>> same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement >>> equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first place >>> to start >>> >>> f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument= . >>> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... >>> >>> Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some time, >>> i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. >>> Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same >>> experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time >>> >>> I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. >>> >>> Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing >>> in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal >>> performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , >>> the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands and >>> on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset play >>> is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state >>> is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players >>> wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or >>> drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano plaers or >>> drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so >>> easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In >>> my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. >>> >>> >>> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >>> because of this "new age" talk... >>> >>> Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted >>> cheese onto investigating breathing >>> >>> >>> Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a >>> situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written >>> that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A >>> simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and >>> experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the >>> breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath >>> going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and >>> crowd interaction :) >>> >>> the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a >>> weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to >>> much work.... >>> >>> Byron >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any >>>> aspect of life. >>>> >>>> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >>>> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >>>> >>>> Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. >>>> >>>> -nn >>>> www.happyhumans.org >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's >>>>> instrument. >>>>> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >>>>> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, >>>>> injuries and >>>>> so on. >>>>> >>>>> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I pla= y >>>>> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breat= h >>>>> and >>>>> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow = my >>>>> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >>>>> >>>>> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >>>>> because >>>>> of this "new age" talk... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Olivier Malhomme >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.co= m a >>>>> =E9crit : >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Byron Howell" >>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>>>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>>>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much >>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>>>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>>>>> workshops. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i wou= ld >>>>>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which >>>>>>> prevented >>>>>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was m= y >>>>>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused o= n >>>>>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a stea= dy >>>>>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>>>>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>>>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>>>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>>>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a cur= se >>>>>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>>>>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>>>>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>>>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure you= r >>>>>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very earl= y >>>>>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 14:10:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FFC43BE85; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:10:46 EST Subject: Re: Breathing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf7.4a4e8f1d.3646f7e6_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:10:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bf7.4a4e8f1d.3646f7e6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/8/08 7:01:30 AM, o.malhomme@laposte.net writes: > when I play > guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath > and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will > swallow my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. > and i thought i was the only one this happened to!.....and another thing: WELCOME back to both olivier and miko, seems like home coming week!.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) --part1_bf7.4a4e8f1d.3646f7e6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/8/08 7:01:30 AM, o.malhomme@laposte.net writes:


when I play
guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath
and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will
swallow my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes.


and i thought i was the only one this happened to!.....and another thing:= WELCOME back to both olivier and miko, seems like home coming week!.....:)m=



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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AOL Search: Your one stop for direct= ions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_bf7.4a4e8f1d.3646f7e6_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 14:42:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B7323BE87; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:42:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:42:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 14:42:20.0829 (UTC) FILETIME=[348A2CD0:01C941B0] Resent-Message-ID: <9x9DaC.A.cS.OVaFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:42:22 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen said: > "For me, the term provided enough confusion and ambiguity that I > removed it from my festival and changed the name to the Boise Creative > and Improvised Music Festival. Still uses problematic terms, but > easier for me to address." > > You believe they are less problematic? Here in Boise, yes. We are a very conservative state - 61% McCain voters here! :) People I talked to weren't willing to take a risk on something titled experiemental, but creative and improvised seem to ring better. Our jazz support here is much better than experimental. I also did an online survey to get a better understanding of audeince needs, ideas, etc, and the new title was recieved well. People I talk to hear the terms creative and free improv, and they don't necessarily think weird, "not quite music", etc. The other reason is that I now mostly define experimental music (in the context of the festival) according the formal version, which makes it a much more narrow genre, hardly anyone at prior festivalsl (except maybe Unicorn Feature, Ted Apel, etc), were conducting "musical experiments".. I call it what it is. We are playing very creative music, most of which is freely improvised It it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, I call it a duck! :) > I ran a group which worked on > freely improvised contemporary (electronic) dance music. In that > context, I found that the big majority of people see "improvised" as > synonymous with "Jazz". I would not complain about that misinterpretation here. It would actually bring more attedendees, and then open their minds to something beyond jazz. Call it "fly tape marketing". > And for that reason, I think "experimental" > fits better for your festival (at least the way it was this year), > simply because there were more acts which the majority would put into > the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" > category. You saw my last note above. I consider very few prior festival performance as experimental. But Creative Music and Free Improvised Music are generes that clearly dominating the fesival - by design, I might add. I don't want to fill the whole festival with a bunch of university geeks, hooking up computers to strange detectors, and using mathematics to create music, etc. :) Just partly joking, but hopefullly you get my point. Jeff Kaiser does not call himself experimental, nor do Andrew Pask, Craig Green, Tom Baker, Emily Hay, Colter, Frazier, and Connoloy, yet...this si the type of music I want at the festival. Cutting edge....highly improvisational, electrro-acoustic, creative, as in the recetly defined "creative music" genre that is alive and well in the US, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 14:45:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0D143BE89; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:45:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 14:45:45.0375 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE756AF0:01C941B0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 14:45:46 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Good point there, Rainer! > Krispen, how about "Boise New Music Festival"? Honestly, what's so new about it? That phrase always seemed a bit pretentious to me. Most of the music people call new, has been around for years. Creative music and improvised music is exactly what we are hearing at the festival now. Is it creative, relatively? Yes. Is it mostly freely improvised? Yes. I call it what it is and what I want it to be...hence the new name. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:04:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 001283BE8B; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=GJxrl/MLP4TyIQzhZHW4eMsO7p3wwraaVAxWVJGYyUM=; b=RaVyRxiuUgH5mFVO3IG0ikXUYwxsWpLFQXNJa34wt9gTS4FEh5ARnwhlRBcbohhJnO ONFC2kC2J41AtwBBSay2uZBXEoWiZXF2G7oTvRoMuf6U8ueK1aFrZ9jjU32dvBJpTHm6 ErEyN4rS65nGVNUdL2NNqkWUoyk/uhMrHMQ7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=B7sG1Xzd/iRcfJuy9UWHeFjr22AAmJGJWMjrUKqzcA91+hU4yNjPYHdbi84ZgnjGIg Q2nnU5aQHYLfHZZJVE7U9WCXNOZH+S+WB5vCEqxifOZ0x9mE9uLnf7cFcBN/EHFTCaZk 24k3LHCZpvTKgBkdJYLGJS9MgrGkfvl/wSux0= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811080704u6432726es3208522307d29d36@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:04:53 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4307_25029461.1226156693570" References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a0d0b37a8c350388 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:04:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4307_25029461.1226156693570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an experimental musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or country.. thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I compare myself to Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work with thinks Im pretty far out... HA! My work is done! m -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_4307_25029461.1226156693570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an experimental musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or country.. thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I compare myself to Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work with thinks Im pretty far out... HA! My work is done!


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------=_Part_4307_25029461.1226156693570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:11:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D6803BE8A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811080704u6432726es3208522307d29d36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:11:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_034B_01C94179.9C66F090" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 15:11:35.0099 (UTC) FILETIME=[4A2A88B0:01C941B4] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:11:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_034B_01C94179.9C66F090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's fine, Mark. You can call yourself anything, because that is your = choice, and you know what you are and how you want to brand your art. = But having ran this festival for 3 years in a row, and struggling with = keeping the momentum and support, something as simple as a term and how = it is interpreted by local people who are already hesitant enough to = check out something new, is an important marketing task. "Experimental" = no longer conveys the vision of my festival, and if attendees are not = resonating well with the term and are more open to "Creative" and = "Improvisational" (and this now applies to the visual and theater = artists who are now joining forces with me), then for cripes sake I'm = going to listen to them, because they are the ones who attend and fill = the seats, not my abstract thoughts and debates in an email list. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an experimental = musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or = country.. thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I = compare myself to Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work = with thinks Im pretty far out... HA! My work is done! m --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_034B_01C94179.9C66F090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That's fine, Mark. You can call = yourself anything,=20 because that is your choice, and you know what you are and how you want = to brand=20 your art. But having ran this festival for 3 years in a row, and = struggling=20 with keeping the momentum and support, something as simple as a term and = how it=20 is interpreted by local people who are already hesitant enough to check = out=20 something new, is an important marketing task.  "Experimental" no = longer=20 conveys the vision of my festival, and if attendees are not resonating = well with=20 the term and are more open to "Creative" and "Improvisational" (and = this=20 now applies to the visual and theater artists who are now joining forces = with=20 me), then for cripes sake I'm going to listen to them, because they are = the ones=20 who attend and fill the seats, not my abstract thoughts and debates in = an email=20 list.

Kris
 
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This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an = experimental=20 musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or = country..=20 thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I compare = myself to=20 Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work with thinks Im = pretty=20 far out... HA! My work is done!


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Sat Nov 8 15:30:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FF573BE87; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: iPhone Music Apps Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:30:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0358_01C9417C.3CAFE3C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 15:30:22.0671 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA405DF0:01C941B6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:30:24 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0358_01C9417C.3CAFE3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!! I am amazed. = Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his face). turned me = on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch screen music making apps = that will actually create music on its own. =20 Anyone have any favorites? I found one that will record and play back = everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really like is a basic = looper. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0358_01C9417C.3CAFE3C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I recently discovered the world of = iPhone apps.=20 Wow!!!   I am amazed.  Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his = name,=20 but I know his face). turned me on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, = touch=20 screen music making apps that will actually create music on its = own. =20
 
Anyone have any favorites? I found one = that will=20 record and play back everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really = like is=20 a basic looper.
 
Kris
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0358_01C9417C.3CAFE3C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:39:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31EDE3BE8A; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:39:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3411995-8e8c-43bb-9fb8-154da19337db_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.57.70] From: samba - To: Subject: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:39:35 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081108131246.A96D73BE8B@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081108131246.A96D73BE8B@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 15:39:35.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[33E98660:01C941B8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:39:37 +0000 (UTC) --_c3411995-8e8c-43bb-9fb8-154da19337db_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tuning into one's own breath is fundamentl. Tuning into the audiences br= eath is part of entraining with the audience=2Cand is one of the secrets of= engaging performance. --_c3411995-8e8c-43bb-9fb8-154da19337db_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B =3B Tuning into one's own breath is fundamentl. Tuning into th= e audiences breath is part of entraining with the audience=2Cand is one of = the secrets of engaging performance.
= --_c3411995-8e8c-43bb-9fb8-154da19337db_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:44:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40BB23BE80; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:44:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <67DA94F148384851A87EA77ABFB31116@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> <333287c30811080408g2a890a7cj1ab0a2a742bd4477@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:44:35 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 055669D100095105566B1E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:44:45 +0000 (UTC) From: "Byron Howell" > there were more acts which the majority would put into > the "music that no-one likes" category than acts in the "jazz" > category. I had hesitated to use the J word because it's even more misinterpreted than "experimental". Consider the Burns series done with the "Marsalis Mafia", as one list member here put it at the time. On the other hand such non-pegging-down is a good thing so long as it's not abused. Too much. > This catagory decribing experimntal music as "Musc that no-one likes" > I have found most amuzing, not to point of asphixiation , but close. > > perhaps an audience conducting breathwork sureing "music noone likes" > concerts will help the average audience hear better.. > > I am often confronted with remarks from the music eminating from my > speakers at home....hehe...I read a phrse in an electronic mag earlier > today..."Its noise...But I like it" was the title of a glitch > roientated vst article. > > > > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Byron Howell > wrote: >> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >> >> . As cage puts (I think) it silence is but all the sounds that we >> filter out unconsciously. Seeing movement and music as one ad the >> same, our unconscious movements of the body would be the movement >> equivalent of silence in cages sense. the breath being the first place >> to start >> >> f course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's instrument. >> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case... >> >> Having practiced fire poi, staff and juggling movements for some time, >> i do attribute most of the forced awareness of my breath to that art. >> Breath or die kind of thing. Im sure you wouldve had the same >> experience in buddha sit for 5 minutes the first time >> >> I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. >> >> Indeed, captivated by my instrument so I would be slightly breathing >> in a very short shallow tyoe of way through a 2 hour death metal >> performance. Unfortunatly when one is captivated into this "State" , >> the not breathing ultimately puts a stressor on the adrenal glands and >> on all the muslces in performing,( which in the case of a drumset play >> is... pretty much the whole body.) Functioning for long in this state >> is liket long slow asphyxiation. perhaps the wind instrument players >> wont have this problem t the same degree as say piano players or >> drumers, because the breath is so part of the process. Piano plaers or >> drummers can still pay notes without having to take a deep breath. so >> easy to get stuck in a shallow breathing pattern for long periods. In >> my case it was to long with to vigorous a music. >> >> >> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >> because of this "new age" talk... >> >> Yes. the "new age" contributed to placing a thick layer of melted >> cheese onto investigating breathing >> >> >> Was thinking along the "experimental" lines and thought about a >> situation where in the score/ Live llop improvisation it be written >> that the audience needs to join in a specif slow breathing pattern (A >> simple 2 bar loop) to relax them into the tempo of the track and >> experience it on a more subtle level. and perhaps conducting the >> breathing throughout the piece and gettting a 6/8 breath >> going....(Ok...new agey,perhaps, and way to much coordination and >> crowd interaction :) >> >> the audience breathes the band....unfortunatly one would have to a >> weekend workshop with the common audience first. sounds like way to >> much work.... >> >> Byron >> >> >> >> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Nevyn Nowhere >> wrote: >>> Breathing consciously is important for more than just music... but any >>> aspect of life. >>> >>> For that matter, more than breathing; importance lies in a conscious >>> communication with the unconscious movements of life. >>> >>> Isn't that what (some) music is? To a degree, at least. >>> >>> -nn >>> www.happyhumans.org >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:00 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's >>>> instrument. >>>> I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, >>>> uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, >>>> injuries and >>>> so on. >>>> >>>> And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play >>>> guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath >>>> and >>>> "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my >>>> saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. >>>> >>>> This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks >>>> because >>>> of this "new age" talk... >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Olivier Malhomme >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 8 nov. 08, à 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com a >>>> écrit : >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> From: "Byron Howell" >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: >>>>>> semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) >>>>>> >>>>>> I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the >>>>>> elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much >>>>>> benefit >>>>>> for myself, I am wanting to share >>>>>> this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local >>>>>> workshops. >>>>>> >>>>>> A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would >>>>>> support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which >>>>>> prevented >>>>>> me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. >>>>>> >>>>>> The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my >>>>>> complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on >>>>>> my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady >>>>>> pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing >>>>>> new >>>>>> breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have >>>>>> begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my >>>>>> breathing and vice versa. >>>>>> >>>>>> now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that >>>>>> failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension >>>>>> somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse >>>>>> tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in >>>>>> order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for >>>>>> ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians >>>>>> playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your >>>>>> still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early >>>>>> the perrels of improper breathing. >>>>>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:46:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 353DB3BE89; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:46:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=TqbfSq8Abwp+s9Gvy1amZDfC9/Nohor48Gk3kfaDA/Qz+qQmgDVC2/Gopyy3wQk4k8fT/qpc225tt2kOmATTccSxO1Supxx6bRL3PiOI587Zk+WHNuwuIg/KKSqtFpdDvZLz3AJOFwRqcm0XEXyMgesk/3yK4lPBG8t6QIYfs+s=; X-YMail-OSG: Td15L48VM1n0r.Dw9qEM3yBfa0bJ1DcYdqZ5fbpULXw5LJMNMcQ3U3ruvqFRS9zFfa1aNcUsnFNqOaGFZmzfKkDs7fbAxR4bh8LFFiwevVLbsve0zwhps7dcCVZ1BGdHmcy3L3Nk200AvP0ue15qVBJn6jdUDcPOTR3q1JAcQa1YpaBlNG8XXxrKz2Wq X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:46:02 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Thanks, Kris - Y2K8 Mp3 posted To: loop list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-916775538-1226159162=:76093" Message-ID: <237801.76093.qm@web110312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1rDP6.A.r5E.8QbFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:46:05 +0000 (UTC) --0-916775538-1226159162=:76093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Folks,=20 =A0 Kris just posted an Mp3 of the last piece from my performance.=A0 It was my= first looping performance and I was only a month into looping at the time = (I'm SOOO much more experienced now, LOL) so please be gentle. http://www.y2kloopfest.com/mp3/montegoloop.mp3 =A0 This was an audience recording so you get the clicks and pops of the photog= rapher and possibly my DL4 footswitches to add to the ambience.=A0 Rick was= having some diffical techniculties with his off-the-board recording, so th= is is what I gots. =A0 Big thanks to Kris for uploading it - the parent page is http://www.y2kloop= fest.com/images.html =A0 Hey, if a newbie looper like myself can get this together (sending Kris my = Mp3) more of you folks who were playing such cool stuff at Y2K8 can do so t= oo =A0 Thanks, all. =A0 JK --0-916775538-1226159162=:76093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hey Folks,
 
Kris just posted an Mp3 of the last piece from my performance.  It was my first looping performance and I was only a month into looping at the time (I'm SOOO much more experienced now, LOL) so please be gentle.
 
This was an audience recording so you get the clicks and pops of the photographer and possibly my DL4 footswitches to add to the ambience.  Rick was having some diffical techniculties with his off-the-board recording, so this is what I gots.
 
Big thanks to Kris for uploading it - the parent page is http://www.y2kloopfest.com/images.html
 
Hey, if a newbie looper like myself can get this together (sending Kris my Mp3) more of you folks who were playing such cool stuff at Y2K8 can do so too </soapbox>
 
Thanks, all.
 
JK
--0-916775538-1226159162=:76093-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 15:50:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2CD83BE91; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:50:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kDcuVJGEeSsLCEmHEwIa3GgL5N11msYYgpEbulTsBmM=; b=lEMqu7RVUB+TcCMQOTnww5LdaPD8Sp4jXrJ+OY0CjrJd5ggglT6lsgSPHzt/iW6qa2 ldBAr6Q7tSG/U3jIBc5RAzT1shzoJqisjAnpK1CJ14orTRaJT8URGC84ro3zTY+5rOsG 974V3Feapsef7Y/jN2Nq8pPdRVUnXL9CIv3To= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LhFlB5j2ojpEOMv+deXdeS6hng/x6LsBrpbS21eF0ZqPszbSTwerWx9Zc2jdSDUyG4 BTe3fLP0bYVx0CXggjyyeWLVFA3vkTQKy4Od5MAZ2c5er20hO5pVFAkEmxp6jQGRYUlZ TaBD8Qa+aK066hfqIM6kQ39908gtyjucTW2V0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811080750s5440f254o1848f9b78035e721@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:50:10 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iPhone Music Apps In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:50:11 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!! I am amazed. > Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his face). turned me on > to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch screen music making apps that > will actually create music on its own. > > Anyone have any favorites? I found one that will record and play back > everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really like is a basic looper. > > Kris I don't have an iPhone but my fav appl for it is RJDJ. http://rjdj.me/2008/10/12/the-first-day-in-the-life-of-rjdj/ -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:01:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F52D3BE81; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ByUyx08GbIIjyde4OzJGVzF2erNsX0IS+UN+3U2nXfE=; b=FDvrw7s5CiZcClJiW6lqCrZl/LAoVbwffLhBy5ibW6QyLfOFfOGZ9zwxXVdq3BZ/gJ Y6qI+aUR3ahbtgQS0EVvELuRTtW/v8u8rli+5Ct9O5gSXKFMv7Vf2B4HAzNv0Fxv/U16 Uyvtw/CymNQylg3Q1P5ClrWnUPlBnQ9RrNJlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pW2Lmtxtw3mcnAT6yVLWFhJOuMFvN/yhxHkYZ5aEPhQ+L4N3CrU5qWMEaPXUjizx1I 5th143/h8utS9O+cUlQdP4SqoXIsidtiHHCkYvxaxKRblyUVlVGRciBY/bAigyydcbft 3Out3aGt1M0YRey2ri9TXbd7EViheu8TdgwQ0= Message-ID: <101191640811080801n4763b59alafd1651c658369f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:01:41 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_67862_29686952.1226160101276" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: af1079c62a9e7ed7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:01:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_67862_29686952.1226160101276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Last night I started applying a couple of the lessons from Wooten's book. I had a jazz duo gig (me + vocalist) where we had to go through the house PA - and it was in the process of dying. We'd be playing and singing up to the climax of a song and it would just cut out completely, only to come in 10 seconds later too loud and distorted. a nightmare. So i ended up playing a lot of solo jazz guitar, because the singer felt that it's less embarrassing for just me to be noodling along when that happens than for both of us. i was game enough - if there's one thing about my personality I'm proud of, it's a low capacity for embarrassment (well, there are probably 2 or 3 others too). Anyway, playing solo jazz standards on guitar is something that I would say is more-or-less at the edge of my ability. I'm very critical about this - I actually don't even think Joe Pass did it in a manner that I would call musically satisfying. (there are a few cases I can identify that i really like - I've heard Frissell play live solo and found that fully satisfying, and also Alex DeGrassi's Bolivian Blues Bar record is wonderful - but he has 12 strings, I think, and the resonance of an acoustic to help him. And I'm pretty sure Jimmy Bruno can pull this stuff off well). So I tried to apply 3 aspects inferred from Wooten's book - playing the rests as well as the notes, playing quieter in a noisy bar in order to gain attention, and listening to the audience. And even tho my eyes were closed most of the time, I could actually hear and feel the audience's attention shift, even tho i don't think they were conscious of it, and they probably weren't looking at me. I believe I created several big silent spaces in their discussions where I think they were paying attention to me. OK, it's a lot of hypothesis without much basis, but so is most of reality :-) Warren ------=_Part_67862_29686952.1226160101276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Last night I started applying a couple of the lessons from Wooten's book. I had a jazz duo gig (me + vocalist) where we had to go through the house PA - and it was in the process of dying. We'd be playing and singing up to the climax of a song and it would just cut out completely, only to come in 10 seconds later too loud and distorted. a nightmare. So i ended up playing a lot of solo jazz guitar, because the singer felt that it's less embarrassing for just me to be noodling along when that happens than for both of us. i was game enough - if there's one thing about my personality I'm proud of, it's a low capacity for embarrassment (well, there are probably 2 or 3 others too).

Anyway, playing solo jazz standards on guitar is something that I would say is more-or-less at the edge of my ability. I'm very critical about this - I actually don't even think Joe Pass did it in a manner that I would call musically satisfying. (there are a few cases I can identify that i really like - I've heard Frissell play live solo and found that fully satisfying, and also Alex DeGrassi's Bolivian Blues Bar record is wonderful - but he has 12 strings, I think, and the resonance of an acoustic to help him. And I'm pretty sure Jimmy Bruno can pull this stuff off well).

So I tried to apply 3 aspects inferred from Wooten's book - playing the rests as well as the notes, playing quieter in a noisy bar in order to gain attention, and listening to the audience. And even tho my eyes were closed most of the time, I could actually hear and feel the audience's attention shift, even tho i don't think they were conscious of it, and they probably weren't looking at me. I believe I created several big silent spaces in their discussions where I think they were paying attention to me.

OK, it's a lot of hypothesis without much basis, but so is most of reality :-)


Warren
------=_Part_67862_29686952.1226160101276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:06:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F06073BE89; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=x62vhhHXjg3jhC15eGimzDUPWiT0eV0/BhodqBFdE6M=; b=wJH+0nwv/VwgBQthqRYAb3F50+cGGsY1DokAPb/ZI1wJRdv8iPmkFSBETtO35lXWuc qgKYEaiaqMrtx1yKaSzstzQ7kk04ErIYr33mnaw5mh1aIU7RDI7sUeBhWzSgTqBfTMkr WMyb1GaR/056rKgXCW4kwo+FMerDQd9FFeqOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ZfyWUAIkCrsUHxiemEcjX/Ctlyzt5FKA1rZO6G2j1PgQUQlBTEuTMPYkcQ3/VGC2Ag UtglD2Y0iu+eAIFGDdeNNpNfrSaqDE8aI0IZZ6RPn00KWeNBKCXW6zu5KUTZbV4zhtzj fYRK0CNM/jI+7w6FyA7f4BPxo7F6Fe6hZh5QA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:06:00 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:06:00 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Krispen, how about "Boise New Music Festival"? > > Honestly, what's so new about it? That phrase always seemed a bit > pretentious to me. Most of the music people call new, has been around for > years. Creative music and improvised music is exactly what we are hearing > at the festival now. Is it creative, relatively? Yes. Is it mostly freely > improvised? Yes. I call it what it is and what I want it to be...hence the > new name. > > Kris Nothing is of course "new" if you really look close enough. But I think you are making a mistake if you are not noticing the difference between "Kris Hartungs opinions on music" and "the agenda for marketing the festival in the public domain". By using a simple name that sounds good and looks good in print and that doesn't tell too much about what this really is you may get more people willing to take a chance on it and also open up for the festival to create its own values by its content. With a too descriptive festival name you may risk to put people off because they might think that "oh well, this must not for me but for those guys that.... etc etc". I mean, everyone has his own prejudices and by not declaring to much on the detailed plane you may open up for everyones positive thinking. Just like Obama did! ;-)) And you know that you have the good program to fill the festival with, so it can't go wrong. Well, at least that's my theory - not knowing much about Boise or knowing much about this festival ;-)) "New" is as good as "Change" as long as you don't specify exactly what it's about. The festival might still be "new", some music may be "new"... who knows? I just thought it felt non-descriptive enough to evoke curiosity. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:18:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CAA03BE8C; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:from:subject:date :to:x-mailer; bh=yH6RL9rotxp1mMD+6egiU7xka4Xc2kpLKnzP/JhDZXk=; b=Sa2PNMv3MokkYY5Jk/6luca0ltv7R/8Vyu4921cBlJrd+GD/ArOfZ0vThhICcctdTu Lk80OD8vS1spm5NWX/ZmoW47dq/Eo5COkI3GzIEkApK4u7Aq1IKHmNM/TZ8WvF2tMxSP 8f1y/7glMPcp4gyF3t4GRq7V7e0s8kzVibHWY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type :message-id:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d6oDTBc+2OQc+szTd+KVRLyqL3suLbTF/Xh75qsEJcTY9Wee4G8WXYEQNXE5aOVcA3 ldKkU8WHxqsLahlRH4sUN5cp+ftwcvwybTBmm9FPJ88RWm7sdRJ/Dn3QVdR0lu6bFL5r TFkOAaMya6W7dvDdzS04YxyfyUS3r3O/VjjPE= In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-893269402 Message-Id: <8CE944CC-F9F8-4981-BD62-F8FCB1AEE026@gmail.com> From: Marcus Staniec Subject: Re: iPhone Music Apps Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:18:08 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:18:18 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-893269402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Noise.io BeatMaker Touch OSC iTM Midi Apps (All of them) Mrmr RjDj And for something a bit toyish yet still fun and interesting try: MiniSynth Ocarina On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!! I am > amazed. Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his > face). turned me on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch > screen music making apps that will actually create music on its own. > > Anyone have any favorites? I found one that will record and play > back everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really like is a > basic looper. > > Kris > > --Apple-Mail-1-893269402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
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I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!!=A0=A0 = I am amazed.=A0 Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his = face). turned me on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch screen = music making apps that will actually create music on its = own.=A0
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= --Apple-Mail-1-893269402-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:26:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E0CA43BE8C; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=eyiUJCRosKv65atfwfK1DjtXBYXCzNkKMZRTimbW+VA=; b=urUoSN4TE7UmfaGAs/xHoRngnMKxPMWp7i8nifae2ZKvcRn9/ymRCMKpc74D5T7oiU JO5heQgh/MXrUe5pTLPQbyuPvElcILer21aKDTSTRY4OHvZJ/IKfw9C+Z1j14sdRrj4b zPuS4AjmmHZE3il2muVf4KK61Tjb4UOnhtvw8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gEsg8fNKDFf8DsF4e2RfKBy2z1RpEUYUGcIzsGBG5uDtrJ2+maGscHs88p3yr1+EGl mIWhbFNHhajbFRoAkzgROd0PC0ShlSYAc+B2UOy3IA2mSuZXUnYGIKCLROBiHlV1cMWk FLnmA8rpz5K9JQuI2JDwG9XymppXtj6Iuiaps= Message-ID: <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:26:30 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68010_29716439.1226161590080" References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: dda7f62a93e6869b Resent-Message-ID: <1Q4AD.A.Z1H.22bFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:26:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68010_29716439.1226161590080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, I'm really interested in the exploration of what effective marketing terms are for the non-song-form, non-jazz, non-classical kinds of things that many loopers including myself tend to do. So I'm really interested in Kris' and anyone else's real-world experiments in this. I have, in fact, thought about test-marketing my next published work, presuming I put out something new in purchasable format someday, under different labels to see which is the most effective (cf "The 4-hour Work Week" to realize how easy this actually can be). Actually, mostly, I'd like to get into a lot more venues and street fairs where I could be exposed to a mainstream audience without having to draw people in myself, but I don't know how to present myself. I have pretty much come to believe that attempts at accurate description are counterproductive, and that evocative terminology is better. I like "New Music" myself, because I come from an academic environment and know what that means - I'd immediately take a close look at any announcement of a New Music concert that I see. But I doubt that this has much appeal to the world in general. I like the term "Creative Music" even tho it's meaningless. I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and let people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so much making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be interested). And Kris, if your community supports jazz, more power to you. Here in the NY exurbs, jazz is not a "draw", and i don't think it's much of a draw in NYC either unless you're a big name. No answers, just random thoughts. sorry if i'm rambling. Warren ------=_Part_68010_29716439.1226161590080 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, I'm really interested in the exploration of what effective marketing terms are for the non-song-form, non-jazz, non-classical kinds of things that many loopers including myself tend to do. So I'm really interested in Kris' and anyone else's real-world experiments in this. I have, in fact, thought about test-marketing my next published work, presuming I put out something new in purchasable format someday, under different labels to see which is the most effective (cf "The 4-hour Work Week" to realize how easy this actually can be). Actually, mostly, I'd like to get into a lot more venues and street fairs where I could be exposed to a mainstream audience without having to draw people in myself, but I don't know how to present myself.

I have pretty much come to believe that attempts at accurate description are counterproductive, and that evocative terminology is better. I like "New Music" myself, because I come from an academic environment and know what that means - I'd immediately take a close look at any announcement of a New Music concert that I see. But I doubt that this has much appeal to the world in general. I like the term "Creative Music" even tho it's meaningless.

I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and let people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so much making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be interested).

And Kris, if your community supports jazz, more power to you. Here in the NY exurbs, jazz is not a "draw", and i don't think it's much of a draw in NYC either unless you're a big name.

No answers, just random thoughts. sorry if i'm rambling.

Warren
------=_Part_68010_29716439.1226161590080-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:33:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10A53BE91; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 09:33:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 16:33:41.0130 (UTC) FILETIME=[C24F36A0:01C941BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:33:42 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I agree it is sort of a sexy and hip thing to do these days to describe an event in a nebulous sort of way with the intent of intriguing potential listeners and getting them to attend. In my case, I can only say how frequent it was that I talked to potential attendees at the door, while they were contempleting whether to buy a ticket, and I had to answer their question, "What is experimental music?" I found the more nebulous I was, the more academic and clever I was in attempting to do this, the more likely they would pass on the opportunity. In the end, I found it easier to just say, it's mainly a mixture of improvisational and creative music, using acoustic instruments, electronics, computers, etc. "Oh", they say..."that sounds interesting"...and they walk in. Boise folk, on average, are not as adventurous as, let's say someone in a more liberal, coastal city. I would be curioius to hear Rick's view on this in light of his festival, and why he choose such a descriptive title for his festival, vs. something not as descriptive, but sexy, like "LoopVision 2008". :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- >>> Krispen, how about "Boise New Music Festival"? >> >> Honestly, what's so new about it? That phrase always seemed a bit >> pretentious to me. Most of the music people call new, has been around for >> years. Creative music and improvised music is exactly what we are >> hearing >> at the festival now. Is it creative, relatively? Yes. Is it mostly freely >> improvised? Yes. I call it what it is and what I want it to be...hence >> the >> new name. >> >> Kris > > > Nothing is of course "new" if you really look close enough. But I > think you are making a mistake if you are not noticing the difference > between "Kris Hartungs opinions on music" and "the agenda for > marketing the festival in the public domain". By using a simple name > that sounds good and looks good in print and that doesn't tell too > much about what this really is you may get more people willing to take > a chance on it and also open up for the festival to create its own > values by its content. With a too descriptive festival name you may > risk to put people off because they might think that "oh well, this > must not for me but for those guys that.... etc etc". I mean, everyone > has his own prejudices and by not declaring to much on the detailed > plane you may open up for everyones positive thinking. Just like Obama > did! ;-)) And you know that you have the good program to fill the > festival with, so it can't go wrong. > > Well, at least that's my theory - not knowing much about Boise or > knowing much about this festival ;-)) > "New" is as good as "Change" as long as you don't specify exactly what > it's about. The festival might still be "new", some music may be > "new"... who knows? I just thought it felt non-descriptive enough to > evoke curiosity. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AF053BE93; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6U+4fhL5PvPLVyi9Gb9+ytJPgk0gVDAD/HwuVIjCero=; b=GFFVekH8mUBX6udg+3jh64kAq+hJjDE1KZ/NwMhDhBWZ6Bxn4vB6Zaqzf+bnxXbiCt VFZqzkmOjcFgQpcZAkqOJvx6nkWGOZ8i/eKuWZkMKW2DUSQ5km0T0rUQWLS+JzubhkcY HqGC3aywyH0Cfjtd/pUw+b11R8K/8A7tQjXl0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=CG2/Ipf8zhQVKEsBKQ0FnG299QGcTNh7FWaFxzSZDQNM2a0GMkXOFwOn5CZTaScElL a5NH8oMdzuxe9lqCpP7BzSmt5DY8sQ1hW49cHYiPy2RMG4fnAYZ6xwlZGb4F51LvLhtQ 2B3e7MyKZjBId04CTDD+dJvHPzMT6uPz9B8ds= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:34:38 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33626_17965543.1226162078626" References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:34:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33626_17965543.1226162078626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I keep on getting labeled as "jazz" by the restaurants and cafes that I play at, much to my amusement. A friend of mine said that for regular folks "jazz" = "instrumental music which is not very loud". TH On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > OK, I'm really interested in the exploration of what effective marketing > terms are for the non-song-form, non-jazz, non-classical kinds of things > that many loopers including myself tend to do. ------=_Part_33626_17965543.1226162078626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I keep on getting labeled as "jazz" by the restaurants and cafes that I play at, much to my amusement.  A friend of mine said that for regular folks "jazz" = "instrumental music which is not very loud".



TH

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
OK, I'm really interested in the exploration of what effective marketing terms are for the non-song-form, non-jazz, non-classical kinds of things that many loopers including myself tend to do.

------=_Part_33626_17965543.1226162078626-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:38:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9CD3BE92; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UHs3j4LEVGLazl/uhLx3deJJF5sL8ayqkweRYrMo+iA=; b=cBpqHt8uyL8YZup+I5b4xRGlmXYxGNxum2I+coJxGMJ9RUnBr8H5YJxpR7lEyNkQ1e KA/2yWKAhfPh7LSIUa0H5S+dC2wfIniOcXUFK7UgE6NxkJwmVdRT8tIfHdNitLs3PrCc 6VcF8/1CIo0kxHO6Ritw5ftEGL8k0Dr3MDdHQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=vls3CdH1tX+Yr51DxboC6gzCjUDasIlCHoC5GJysajEL5Z8SNl0YI944kAPH0LqGjX 6XwitQG4KoQnbDMQySk5pvXuUIDWorgALh30Z6sJiuZk6fkB5F1uyZwd7B860bLm2zdz Ljn9y+ilS3uJG19dLs72m4UK5bZxM7Mtss8MY= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 08:38:36 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Breathing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_33659_3664233.1226162316945" References: <20081108131246.A96D73BE8B@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9lzojB.A.l1.OCcFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:38:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_33659_3664233.1226162316945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jimmy Shand, the legendary accordianist, said that he took his tempo cues from the feet of the best dancer in the room. Then all the musicians followed Shand's lead. TH On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, samba - wrote: > Tuning into one's own breath is fundamentl. Tuning into the audiences > breath is part of entraining with the audience,and is one of the secrets of > engaging performance. > ------=_Part_33659_3664233.1226162316945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jimmy Shand, the legendary accordianist, said that he took his tempo cues from the feet of the best dancer in the room.  Then all the musicians followed Shand's lead.

TH

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
   Tuning into one's own breath is fundamentl. Tuning into the audiences breath is part of entraining with the audience,and is one of the secrets of engaging performance.

------=_Part_33659_3664233.1226162316945-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 16:51:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 227933BE92; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226163064; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=mQBZBeIY8J8Zo6N4jNl38HN76uQ=; b=UhCQHBns6LCGfCJzDCSmTh8WcEe5xlHLlZV7EysiOGx5bWuqOcLHg8Y34s7lNVjY XveXtv3pKstamqZfz43P7oqQaXRlzgEeki6RThb3co5dbvDqfXcDR9LH5CSLSDRY; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=UK5GEs86IRtol-GFftQA:9 a=0BTvW_NU-hcFgY0pWDEA:7 a=2G3MgWNmW2ZFxFqoiwQHtqstxboA:4 a=vViZfcZP9qwA:10 a=f2NaAAVcle0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 a=7I3zabev4jiMv6bRooUA:9 a=szKoGYXNToZ6NgQUMDsA:7 a=amhJcDPUZOt_dDlhzxqyQdxHgrwA:4 a=zMq8AnxmSYkA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003901c941c2$2fdc5700$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811080704u6432726es3208522307d29d36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:51:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0036_01C94198.46320F10" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:51:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C94198.46320F10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know, when I play for friends whos musical taste run to the local = "classic" rock station which is most of them, they say Pink Floyd, I suppose because of the echos and strange sounds. = The other one I get is movie soundtrack music. Alot of times I tell = people space music and that works for them. The truth is I just play = what I play and I don't think about catagories except for rhythmic, = ambient, noise, or melodic after I listen back to recordings. In fact my favorite stuff that I have played I don't remember playing it = when I listen back to recordings.=20 I have had to find a trick of forgeting a recorder is on for me to get = in the zone. This video thing is way freaking me out cause I am thinking = of how I look and how I sound. I fact just having people listening while = I play can change what I play like. I have to get in a meditative state = where there is no audience otherwise I fall back on my stock stuff and = creativity is stifled. I use labels on the web to get linked to people who play in similar = veins; looper, ambient, experimental. If I sold my music or as Kris does = promote events then I would do the same thing as him. You have to = attract an audience to survive. This group, and my family and friends = are my audience. Although I have gotten some response from other places = since opening myspace and youtube accounts. my 2 cents, Jeff "Out here in the Great Beyond, everything is strange. The sooner you get used to that, the better off you'll be." Allen Steele=20 Galaxy Blues ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mark francombe=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an experimental = musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or = country.. thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I = compare myself to Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work = with thinks Im pretty far out... HA! My work is done! m --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: = 11/7/2008 7:58 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C94198.46320F10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You know, when I play for friends whos = musical=20 taste run to the local "classic" rock station which is most of=20 them,
they say Pink Floyd, I suppose because = of the echos=20 and strange sounds. The other one I get is movie soundtrack music. Alot = of times=20 I tell people space music and that works for them. The truth is I just = play what=20 I play and I don't think about catagories except for rhythmic, ambient, = noise,=20 or melodic after I listen back to recordings.
In fact my favorite stuff that I have = played I=20 don't remember playing it when I listen back to recordings. =
I have had to find a trick of forgeting = a recorder=20 is on for me to get in the zone. This video thing is way freaking me out = cause I=20 am thinking of how I look and how I sound. I fact just having people = listening=20 while I play can change what I play like. I have to get in a meditative = state=20 where there is no audience otherwise I fall back on my stock stuff and=20 creativity is stifled.
I use labels on the web to get linked = to people who=20 play in similar veins; looper, ambient, experimental. If I sold my music = or as=20 Kris does promote events then I would do the same thing as him. You have = to=20 attract an audience to survive. This group, and my family and=20 friends are my audience. Although I have gotten some response from = other=20 places since opening myspace and youtube accounts.
 
my 2 cents,
 
Jeff
 
"Out here in the Great Beyond, = everything is=20 strange.
The sooner you get used to that, the better off you'll = be."
Allen=20 Steele
Galaxy Blues
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mark=20 francombe
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2008 10:04=20 AM
Subject: Re: What's = experimental?

This is getting a bit anal now... I call myself an = experimental=20 musician, just cos I dont play pop songs or jazz or heavy metal, or = country..=20 thats it really... Im not particularly "experimental" when I compare = myself to=20 Cage, or oh.. I dunno, Merzbow... but everyone I work with thinks Im = pretty=20 far out... HA! My work is done!


m
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http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no


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------=_NextPart_000_0036_01C94198.46320F10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 17:26:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818313BE89; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 11:25:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C94194.C506C410" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:26:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C94194.C506C410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The importance of breathing is in so many ways, underestimated. It is almost too easy to create various unwanted mental states by over = or under breathing-especially during performances. This will be = apparent to the audience. Being cognizant of it and breathing in a more = relaxed fashion can only help matters even when doing things that are = strenuous.=20 I had my first slap in the face with breathing (actually they probably = slapped by rear to help it along ;-) ) when luging. When going down new = tracks for the first time I was so intent on making turns, etc (so as = not to smash into a wall) that I barely breathed on the way down...not = good. When I finally relaxed and was more normal in breathing patterns = my performance went up and fatigue went down. Same on stage, getting into the moment as a singer and guitar player = sometimes would screw up breathing patterns and the voice would crack, = lose emotion, etc. because of it. Not to mention that breath is one of those things that gives power and = emotion to music and often when we hear breathing as part of the singing = it can be a vehicle for emotion. It can also sometimes be annoying ;-) ~Peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: o.malhomme@laposte.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: Breathing Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's = instrument. I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, = uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injuries = and so on. And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I play = guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath = and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow = my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks = because of this "new age" talk... Regards Olivier Malhomme Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com = a =E9crit : From: "Byron Howell" Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: = semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much = benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i = would support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which = prevented me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was = my complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused = on my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a = steady pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing = new breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my breathing and vice versa. now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a = curse tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body = in order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure = your still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very = early the perrels of improper breathing. ------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C94194.C506C410 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The importance of breathing is in so = many ways,=20 underestimated.
 
It is almost too easy to create various = unwanted=20 mental states by over or under breathing-especially during = performances. =20 This will be apparent to the audience.  Being cognizant of it and = breathing=20 in a more relaxed fashion can only help matters even when doing things = that are=20 strenuous.
 
I had my first slap in the face with = breathing=20 (actually they probably slapped by rear to help it along ;-) ) when=20 luging.  When going down new tracks for the first time I was so = intent on=20 making turns, etc (so as not to smash into a wall) that I barely = breathed on the=20 way down...not good.  When I finally relaxed and was more normal in = breathing patterns my performance went up and fatigue went = down.
 
Same on stage, getting into the moment = as a singer=20 and guitar player sometimes would screw up breathing patterns and the = voice=20 would crack, lose emotion, etc. because of it.
 
Not to mention that breath is one of = those things=20 that gives power and emotion to music and often when we hear breathing = as part=20 of the singing it can be a vehicle for emotion.  It can also = sometimes be=20 annoying ;-)
 
~Peace~
 
Plish
 
 
www.michaelplishka.com<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 o.malhomme@laposte.net =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2008 6:00=20 AM
Subject: Breathing

Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as = one's=20 instrument.
I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in = that=20 case, uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, = injuries=20 and so on.

And I must admit, for all my experience in that = area, that=20 when I play guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I = forget to=20 breath and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I = will=20 swallow my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes.

This a rather = more=20 important thing to work on than many may thinks because of this "new = age"=20 talk...


Regards

Olivier = Malhomme


Le=20 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 a =E9crit :


From:=20 "Byron Howell"=20 <howell.byron@gmail.com>
Subject:=20 Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: = semi-OT:=20 i recommend Victor Wooten's = book)

I=20 teach = & = practice = T'ai = Chi, = which = uses = breathing = as one of the
elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting to share
this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local
workshops.

A=20 workshop = like = that = is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would
support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented
me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. <snip>

The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my
complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on
my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady
pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new
breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have
begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my
breathing and vice versa.

now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that
failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension
somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse
tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in
order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for
ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians
playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your
still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early
the perrels of improper breathing.
<snip>
------=_NextPart_000_00A7_01C94194.C506C410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 18:25:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BDA53BE91; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=4sIg_KSpAAAA:8 a=I8_lE-k2m22oQfwkzMMA:9 a=kuVnOQcF766d7XZG8elA50UiyvcA:4 a=mEX8ouApAV0A:10 a=JMcEX2g4xfcA:10 a=yvZ1BPFDISIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=sTqJUhPDZg9bVWhZzREA:9 a=uU7OeVQnK3ZtJYJ7UJMA:7 a=A_qLYDDT1CrFxaKOMOfLYKlu66oA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-900916863 Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 13:25:36 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:25:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-900916863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I just try to breathe through my eyelids like the lizards of the =20 galapagos islands. On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, =20 wrote: > The importance of breathing is in so many ways, underestimated. > > It is almost too easy to create various unwanted mental states by =20 > over or under breathing-especially during performances. This will =20 > be apparent to the audience. Being cognizant of it and breathing =20 > in a more relaxed fashion can only help matters even when doing =20 > things that are strenuous. > > I had my first slap in the face with breathing (actually they =20 > probably slapped by rear to help it along ;-) ) when luging. When =20 > going down new tracks for the first time I was so intent on making =20 > turns, etc (so as not to smash into a wall) that I barely breathed =20 > on the way down...not good. When I finally relaxed and was more =20 > normal in breathing patterns my performance went up and fatigue =20 > went down. > > Same on stage, getting into the moment as a singer and guitar =20 > player sometimes would screw up breathing patterns and the voice =20 > would crack, lose emotion, etc. because of it. > > Not to mention that breath is one of those things that gives power =20 > and emotion to music and often when we hear breathing as part of =20 > the singing it can be a vehicle for emotion. It can also sometimes =20= > be annoying ;-) > > ~Peace~ > > Plish > > > www.michaelplishka.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: o.malhomme@laposte.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:00 AM > Subject: Breathing > > Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's =20 > instrument. > I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, =20 > uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, =20 > injuries and so on. > > And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I =20 > play guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget =20 > to breath and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that =20= > I will swallow my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. > > This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks =20 > because of this "new age" talk... > > > Regards > > Olivier Malhomme > > > Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-=20 > delight.com a =E9crit : > > > From: "Byron Howell" > Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: =20 > semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) > > I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of the > elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much =20 > benefit for myself, I am wanting to share > this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local > workshops. > > A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, i would > support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which prevented > me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. > > The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury was my > complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on > my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a steady > pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing new > breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i have > begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to my > breathing and vice versa. > > now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that > failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of tension > somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse > tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in > order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for > ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians > playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your > still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early > the perrels of improper breathing. > --Apple-Mail-1-900916863 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I just try to breathe through my eyelids like the lizards of the = galapagos islands.=A0
On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com> = wrote:

The importance of breathing is in so many ways, = underestimated.
=A0
It is = almost too easy to create various unwanted mental states by over or = under breathing-especially during performances.=A0 This will be apparent = to the audience.=A0 Being cognizant of it and breathing in a more = relaxed fashion can only help matters even when doing things that are = strenuous.
=A0
I had my = first slap in the face with breathing (actually they probably slapped by = rear to help it along ;-) ) when luging.=A0 When going down new tracks = for the first time I was so intent on making turns, etc (so as not to = smash into a wall) that I barely breathed on the way down...not good.=A0 = When I finally relaxed and was more normal in breathing patterns my = performance went up and fatigue went down.
=A0
Same on stage, getting into the moment as a singer and guitar = player sometimes would screw up breathing patterns and the voice would = crack, lose emotion, etc. because of it.
=A0
Not to mention that breath is one of those things that gives = power and emotion to music and often when we hear breathing as part of = the singing it can be a vehicle for emotion.=A0 It can also sometimes be = annoying ;-)
=A0
~Peace~
=A0
Plish
=A0
=A0
Sent:=A0Saturday, November 08, 2008 = 6:00 AM
=A0Breathing

Of= course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's = instrument.
I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in = that case, uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of = endurance, injuries and so on.

And I must admit, for all my = experience in that area, that when I play guitar, it arrives that so = taken by what I'm doing, I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking = air. Or it arrives also that I will swallow my saliva to wrong way and = end in chokes.

This a rather more important thing to work on than = many may thinks because of this "new age" = talk...


Regards

Olivier Malhomme


Le 8 nov. = 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Deli= ght-d-request@loopers-delight.com a =E9crit = :


From: = "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
S= ubject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: = i recommend Victor Wooten's book)

I teach & practice T'ai = Chi, which uses breathing as one of the
elements to bring about = relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I am wanting = to share
this with others. I have played with the idea of doing = local
workshops.

A workshop like that is most needed. If I = were anywhere near, i would
support. I primarily came to looping = through an injury which prevented
me fro pursuing drum-set practice = and gigging. <snip>

The main aspect of my drumming that really = sped up the injury was my
complete lack of awareness for my breath. = Now that i have focused on
my breathing patterns i notice how really = hard it is to keep a steady
pace while playing. My playing goes all = wonky. Its like practicing new
breed excercises. The breath becomes = the fifth limb. lately i have
begun starting my practice sessions by = syncing my playing to my
breathing and vice versa.

now that i = am in the process of resetting my spine, i find that
failing to = breath properly always ends up in some type of tension
somewhere in = the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda a curse
tho...one = ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the body in
order to = play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but for
ultimate = freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. musicians
playing = freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make sure your
still = doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early
the = perrels of improper = breathing.
<snip>
<= /blockquote>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 18:59:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6DDB3BE8C; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010FD8864E6B4CBAA5EE241B68F936AE@MichaelPC> From: To: References: <20081108113901.CDAC53BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <51e5cf71c80c3bbbe9f0043b029e14cf@laposte.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Breathing Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 12:59:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C941A1.D7458F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <2K-3d.A.ixC.bGeFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C941A1.D7458F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable COOL!!! =20 Breathing: One of nature's finest loops ;-) ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Sewell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: Breathing I just try to breathe through my eyelids like the lizards of the = galapagos islands.=20 On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, = wrote: The importance of breathing is in so many ways, underestimated. It is almost too easy to create various unwanted mental states by = over or under breathing-especially during performances. This will be = apparent to the audience. Being cognizant of it and breathing in a more = relaxed fashion can only help matters even when doing things that are = strenuous. I had my first slap in the face with breathing (actually they = probably slapped by rear to help it along ;-) ) when luging. When going = down new tracks for the first time I was so intent on making turns, etc = (so as not to smash into a wall) that I barely breathed on the way = down...not good. When I finally relaxed and was more normal in = breathing patterns my performance went up and fatigue went down. Same on stage, getting into the moment as a singer and guitar player = sometimes would screw up breathing patterns and the voice would crack, = lose emotion, etc. because of it. Not to mention that breath is one of those things that gives power = and emotion to music and often when we hear breathing as part of the = singing it can be a vehicle for emotion. It can also sometimes be = annoying ;-) ~Peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com ----- Original Message ----- From: o.malhomme@laposte.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:00 AM Subject: Breathing Of course breathing is as an important thing to work as one's = instrument. I am practicing martial arts for about 35 years and in that case, = uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of endurance, injuries = and so on. And I must admit, for all my experience in that area, that when I = play guitar, it arrives that so taken by what I'm doing, I forget to = breath and "awakes" because lacking air. Or it arrives also that I will = swallow my saliva to wrong way and end in chokes. This a rather more important thing to work on than many may thinks = because of this "new age" talk... Regards Olivier Malhomme Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, = Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com a =E9crit : From: "Byron Howell" Subject: Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was = Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) I teach & practice T'ai Chi, which uses breathing as one of = the elements to bring about relaxation. Since I have found so much = benefit for myself, I am wanting to share this with others. I have played with the idea of doing local workshops. A workshop like that is most needed. If I were anywhere near, = i would support. I primarily came to looping through an injury which = prevented me fro pursuing drum-set practice and gigging. The main aspect of my drumming that really sped up the injury = was my complete lack of awareness for my breath. Now that i have = focused on my breathing patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a = steady pace while playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like = practicing new breed excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i = have begun starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to = my breathing and vice versa. now that i am in the process of resetting my spine, i find = that failing to breath properly always ends up in some type of = tension somewhere in the body. Once you become hyper aware, its kinda = a curse tho...one ends up spending hours eliminating tension in the = body in order to play a note that not many notes get played hehe...but = for ultimate freedom of any injury its a nessesary process. = musicians playing freely now, should incorporate this aspect to make = sure your still doing so in 10 to 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very = early the perrels of improper breathing. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C941A1.D7458F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
COOL!!! 
 
Breathing: One of nature's finest loops = ;-)
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris Sewell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2008 12:25=20 PM
Subject: Re: Breathing

I just try to breathe through my eyelids like the = lizards of=20 the galapagos islands. 
On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:25 PM, <mike@michaelplishka.com> = <mike@michaelplishka.com>=20 wrote:

The importance of breathing is in = so many ways,=20 underestimated.
 
It is almost too easy to create = various=20 unwanted mental states by over or under breathing-especially during=20 performances.  This will be apparent to the audience.  = Being=20 cognizant of it and breathing in a more relaxed fashion can only = help=20 matters even when doing things that are strenuous.
 
I had my first slap in the face = with breathing=20 (actually they probably slapped by rear to help it along ;-) ) when=20 luging.  When going down new tracks for the first time I was so = intent=20 on making turns, etc (so as not to smash into a wall) that I barely = breathed=20 on the way down...not good.  When I finally relaxed and was = more normal=20 in breathing patterns my performance went up and fatigue went=20 down.
 
Same on stage, getting into the = moment as a=20 singer and guitar player sometimes would screw up breathing patterns = and the=20 voice would crack, lose emotion, etc. because of it.
 
Not to mention that breath is one = of those=20 things that gives power and emotion to music and often when we hear=20 breathing as part of the singing it can be a vehicle for = emotion.  It=20 can also sometimes be annoying ;-)
 
~Peace~
 
Plish
 
 
www.michaelplishka.com<= /DIV>
 
----- Original Message -----
From: o.malhomme@laposte.net
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2008 6:00=20 AM
Subject: Breathing

Of course breathing is as an important thing to = work as=20 one's instrument.
I am practicing martial arts for about 35 = years and=20 in that case, uneffective breathing is immediately felt as lack of = endurance, injuries and so on.

And I must admit, for all my = experience in that area, that when I play guitar, it arrives that = so taken=20 by what I'm doing, I forget to breath and "awakes" because lacking = air. Or=20 it arrives also that I will swallow my saliva to wrong way and end = in=20 chokes.

This a rather more important thing to work on than = many may=20 thinks because of this "new age" = talk...


Regards

Olivier=20 Malhomme


Le 8 nov. 08, =E0 12:39, Loopers-Del= ight-d-request@loopers-delight.com=20 a =E9crit :


From: "Byron Howell" <howell.byron@gmail.com>
= Subject:=20 Re: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: = semi-OT: i=20 recommend Victor Wooten's book)

I teach & = practice T'ai=20 Chi, which uses breathing as one of the
elements to bring = about=20 relaxation. Since I have found so much benefit for myself, I = am=20 wanting to share
this with others. I have played with the = idea of=20 doing local
workshops.

A workshop like that is most = needed.=20 If I were anywhere near, i would
support. I primarily came = to=20 looping through an injury which prevented
me fro pursuing = drum-set=20 practice and gigging. <snip>

The main aspect of = my=20 drumming that really sped up the injury was my
complete = lack of=20 awareness for my breath. Now that i have focused on
my = breathing=20 patterns i notice how really hard it is to keep a = steady
pace while=20 playing. My playing goes all wonky. Its like practicing = new
breed=20 excercises. The breath becomes the fifth limb. lately i = have
begun=20 starting my practice sessions by syncing my playing to = my
breathing=20 and vice versa.

now that i am in the process of = resetting my=20 spine, i find that
failing to breath properly always ends = up in=20 some type of tension
somewhere in the body. Once you become = hyper=20 aware, its kinda a curse
tho...one ends up spending hours=20 eliminating tension in the body in
order to play a note = that not=20 many notes get played hehe...but for
ultimate freedom of = any injury=20 its a nessesary process. musicians
playing freely now, = should=20 incorporate this aspect to make sure your
still doing so in = 10 to=20 20 years. At age 26, I discovered very early
the perrels of = improper=20 = breathing.
<snip>

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 22:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BA4C3BE85; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: OT: Music books that transcend technique...(was Re: semi-OT: i recommend Victor Wooten's book) Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:49:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C941C1.F772A8B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <101191640811080801n4763b59alafd1651c658369f9@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclBu0sDK3NPw4XeRPucApFN4ak+1QAN0J4g Message-Id: <20081108224934.44C753BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:49:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C941C1.F772A8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great subject. I have never seen these techniques written down before, but I have used them for a long time. Playing the rests was something I learned from watching local r&b musicians in Atlanta in the early 1960s-they would focus and almost intonate a rest, whether is was a half a beat or five measures. I think much of the body movement/grooving that is standard in pop music came from this field; it wasn't a way of showing off or grabbing attention as it was enunciating a rest with movement and silence. I play sitting down when looping, so there's not much movement, but those rests have to be FELT. Focusing on breathing/consciousness and merging that with audience consciousness is an exercise that flows effortlessly sometimes, yet is a huge struggle at others. When it's near-impossible to engage a distracted audience, I use the "cinema method:" I pretend I am scoring a scene in a film, ,so by listening and looking around the room for cues, I adapt what I am playing to the moods and social architecture I see going on. In this way, there are never 'wasted' nights of performing, to me. I totally agree with underplaying the volume to attract listeners. Most folks who go out regularly are so adept at filtering out amplified sound that they'll ignore their own names being called over a PA system until someone points it out. Soft, but emotionally and intellectually intense music will grab SOMEBODY; then that somebody will help focus others in with their attention. An audience is thereby constructed out of a crowd, one listener at a time. dave So I tried to apply 3 aspects inferred from Wooten's book - playing the rests as well as the notes, playing quieter in a noisy bar in order to gain attention, and listening to the audience. And even tho my eyes were closed most of the time, I could actually hear and feel the audience's attention shift, even tho i don't think they were conscious of it, and they probably weren't looking at me. I believe I created several big silent spaces in their discussions where I think they were paying attention to me. Warren ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C941C1.F772A8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

Great = subject…

 

I have never seen these = techniques written down before, but I have used them for a long time.  Playing the = rests was something I learned from watching local r&b musicians in Atlanta in the early = 1960s—they would focus and almost intonate a rest, whether is was a half a beat or five = measures.  I think much of the body movement/grooving that is standard in pop music = came from this field; it wasn’t a way of showing off or grabbing = attention as it was enunciating a rest with movement and silence.  I play = sitting down when looping, so there’s not much movement, but those rests have = to be FELT.

 

Focusing on = breathing/consciousness and merging that with audience consciousness is an exercise that flows = effortlessly sometimes, yet is a huge struggle at others.  When it’s near-impossible to engage a distracted audience, I use the “cinema method:”  I pretend I am scoring a scene in a film, ,so by = listening and looking around the room for cues, I adapt what I am playing to the = moods and social architecture I see going on.  In this way, there are = never ‘wasted’ nights of performing, to me.

 

I totally agree with underplaying = the volume to attract listeners.  Most folks who go out regularly are = so adept at filtering out amplified sound that they’ll ignore their own = names being called over a PA system until someone points it out.  Soft, = but emotionally and intellectually intense music will grab SOMEBODY; then = that somebody will help focus others in with their attention.  An = audience is thereby constructed out of a crowd, one listener at a = time.

 

 

dave

 

So I tried to apply 3 aspects inferred from Wooten's book - playing the = rests as well as the notes, playing quieter in a noisy bar in order to gain attention, and listening to the audience. And even tho my eyes were = closed most of the time, I could actually hear and feel the audience's attention = shift, even tho i don't think they were conscious of it, and they probably = weren't looking at me. I believe I created several big silent spaces in their discussions where I think they were paying attention to me.


Warren

------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C941C1.F772A8B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 22:51:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D76FA3BE85; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:51:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226184679; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=qda/o1xB9atMi6FPCinLOWFLqkQ=; b=Itc/U3py5WLfTy2PWirB7EzJS3YuBpTNZkBjQSBSm0vEwGv2u5rcfdZj0NCLZZMs QR1GQ8i0oLDy6Ok4D+njYXBvAWj+fkwsYo5fLaRw7RF1tz6G0whdYYkMgXPHVZol; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6Nf5hcBLAAAA:8 a=XhjxHl0ZAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xREc0vBzL_M7YYFDA78A:9 a=pyhuLok4HbcHX6URrfkA:7 a=zEhNpcLX4qzcwedUFBSQRqyr4hgA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=g6kLFgZTIA0ni5kD5T8A:9 a=wg0n6W3xoQ0YLztbW04A:7 a=UDWcmn1BDfw1e3zbw7loZ1HLuYEA:4 a=YTTCQ6faurcA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001f01c941f4$83b62db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:51:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C941CA.9A512C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:51:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C941CA.9A512C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I like the name but you would probably have a bunch of death metal fans = or whatever it is called nowdays. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3Dmindfuck but the name is open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/ Probably too cerebral... jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren Sirota=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and let = people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so = much making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if = anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be = interested). Warren -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: = 11/7/2008 7:58 PM ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C941CA.9A512C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I like the name but you would probably = have a bunch=20 of death metal fans or whatever it is called nowdays.
 
http:/= /www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3Dmindfuck
 
but the name is=20 open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/
 
Probably too cerebral...
 
jeff
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I think I need to change the name of my group = to=20 "Mindf*ck", and let people interpret that as they may (after all, my = goal=20 often isn't so much making music as messing with people's heads = anyway).=20 (actually, if anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could = share,=20 I'd be interested).


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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C941CA.9A512C20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 23:41:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA1193BE93; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=i6xxtcXCvUyLfWZ7CUHrp599qRetaxkSKeGwXGbOPV4=; b=fcOuLSEzKFsN9u9i1C9htI0IfsZXSHxHhKzBfhlIS5AuhfXvgDK6OTej+pVp3q629K upPbYxpNkKvUM0MdM83792kMfz/VyrCeNZJLg0L1En9vVsjNh0ZgTa3AP2quxzGrkLdQ O/E8NZ3xbwVZrFm25TcRPEGkj1mUcrNC4gSpU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=wWoVLp3MOxCLqAYrQmoeD5tJrK0K/Ge8mQ8Pw5waCxae/x9qUtgGFEfo2s7u54Ds5W O4EmsECAvH2hmpZGYrnUGLzOJ/yDa+6sxKphwyPLxriFi85LckRRCMovH16AmwJRbbYg rn+xsFcp2M9cqTt1jROHNpGa4PNCa60iptCAE= From: "Tony K" To: References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> <001f01c941f4$83b62db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <001f01c941f4$83b62db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: RE: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:41:09 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c941fb$7ad313a0$70793ae0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C941D1.91FD0BA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclB9I/4clS8WtQgT3WVK1Ndx+fTagABocgA Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <6hwL-.A.soG.bOiFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:41:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C941D1.91FD0BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steven Wilson (of Porcupine Tree) has a project called IEM - Incredible Expanding Mindf**k. It's pretty spacey. Tony From: Jeff Duke [mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:51 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? I like the name but you would probably have a bunch of death metal fans or whatever it is called nowdays. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mindfuck but the name is open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/ Probably too cerebral... jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren Sirota To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:26 AM Subject: Re: What's experimental? I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and let people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so much making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be interested). Warren _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 7:58 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 7:58 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C941D1.91FD0BA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Steven Wilson (of Porcupine Tree) has a project called = IEM – Incredible Expanding Mindf**k.  It’s pretty = spacey.

 

Tony

 

From:= Jeff Duke [mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:51 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: What's experimental?

 

I like the name but you would probably have a bunch of death metal fans or whatever it is called nowdays.

 

 

but the name is = open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/

=

 

Probably too cerebral...

 

jeff

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I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", = and let people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so = much making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if = anyone has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be = interested).


Warren


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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C941D1.91FD0BA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 23:50:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CCAA3BEA4; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:49:58 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:50:05 +0000 (UTC) Greetings Spacefarers, Like a good many of you I am finding myself watching in amazement as=20 some of our colleagues from this very LD list create and post some=20 rather nice little (if grainy) videos online - the most creative of=20 which seem to be done especially on the cheap and low-fi end of the=20 technology spectrum. Fascinated as I am myself with this phenomenon, I continue to feel=20 somewhat fearful about trying anything similar of my own for the simple=20= fact that (even though I am a parent of 3 children) I have never even=20 owned a video camera in my life. On occasion, some friend at some function or gathering will hand a=20 camcorder to me so I can continue to record some scene while they=20 themselves are otherwise occupied. This has always left me feeling rather nervous (even though I am quite=20= comfortable around "still" cameras - digital or otherwise - having=20 studied photography in HS and college). But that is the sum of my experience with the things. The short version of the long story: when the kids were small, cameras=20= were bulky, complex and expensive . . . we were poor and had other=20 survival considerations in mind than providing video fodder for=20 deprived grandparents only a few hours away. So we never bought one. Now these things are getting smaller and seemingly cheaper all the time=20= (even in the range I am thinking of . . . like one of those little Flip=20= Video DV Cams). Someone on the list recently mentioned the Flip Cam as something they=20 used. Anyone using one and also using a Mac to edit their video on? Other solutions and/or suggestions (given that I am solidly committed=20 to the Mac platform - it's what I've been using for 20 years)? What software are you editing these videos in. Thanks for any info any of you might provide. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 8 23:53:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8223BE97; Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0909c3e2-09f9-4c6a-bffc-2e85fa6ffef9_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.57.70] From: samba - To: Subject: Breathing dance Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:53:36 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081108165105.71B333BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081108165105.71B333BE97@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2008 23:53:36.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[37062250:01C941FD] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 23:53:37 +0000 (UTC) --_0909c3e2-09f9-4c6a-bffc-2e85fa6ffef9_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As a percussionist I learned to play working as a dance accompanist . I = learned more about music from dancers than from other musicians. A groove = isn't playing in time with a metronome. Grooving is in time with the physic= al time and place=2C the resonace of the space =2Cand every body present. = In various African an African derived traditions that includes the land i= tself=2Cthe spirits and the ancestors. The purpose of the music is to conne= ct all and circulate energy through that network of connections. =20 --_0909c3e2-09f9-4c6a-bffc-2e85fa6ffef9_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 =3B =3B As a percussionist I learned to play working as a danc= e accompanist . I learned more about music from dancers =3B than from o= ther musicians. A groove isn't playing in time with a metronome. Grooving i= s in time with the physical time and place=2C the resonace of the space =2C= and every body =3B present. =3B In various African an African deriv= ed =3B traditions that includes the land itself=2Cthe spirits and the a= ncestors. The purpose of the music is to connect all and circulate energy t= hrough that network of connections.
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= --_0909c3e2-09f9-4c6a-bffc-2e85fa6ffef9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:10:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B783BE88; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 168130.74136.bm@omp201.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=gvMEmroZfNsNooLetEj8n4n93MrSrP273bG0AoQmrcsX9cI32hmNmfZmOr/LamsrD7/TTTw8SmjCn6Zis93/wuwI3P4gEe5HgQk15NlTJwVCKzUgFcVG7w0EZfdOba4k78lGmbraV1/Y7npGnLxS28NxXk6Ykwe3oaLOwfiQJsU=; X-YMail-OSG: kk2u.EQVM1m_xtGy_qexnseZP_ZB.dh_nk8EpdznGEwuPDMCrZAcAdkAIkT5UlIc.lJ6KTMG3EsSH9i6R4I3gFTJFBRc9lGpQMB96PiMMmsuvmgOYVvEKgaLETXRY3EJib5HRLcxAYGjZaeamWAWJP.r0cPaVQh9JLJ0mxJQVrHsi6M1h44qhHlCRCZV X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:10:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <931214.79724.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:10:18 +0000 (UTC) I like Vegas. The wife keeps pushing FCP. (Obviously, we've got a PC vs. Ma= c dichotomy thang goin' on in our household...) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 --- On Sat, 11/8/08, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > What software are you editing these videos in. =0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:19:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E5BF3BE98; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:19:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:19:23 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C941BD.C6E72030" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclCANEC767iLmdQS8mFu8m+Q65QxQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3ykWaB.A.ZqB.RyiFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:19:29 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C941BD.C6E72030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been using continuous controllers for a long time, expression pedals to be more specific, to controller effects parameters as well as loopers, while keeping my hands free to play the guitar.. It started first with an early Lake butler single expression pedal, controlling the delay depth, continued through the use of built in expression pedal jacks on a Digitech IPS33B, and when I got my first DL-4 back 99', I got an expression pedal for it and have used it ever since for regeneration, delay depth and delay speed control. I sometimes visit pedal board sites like pedaltrain.com to see photos of other people's pedal boards and I'm always amazed at how many people own DL-4's, and how few people seem to use an expression pedal with them. The ability to morph parameters with an expression pedal has become essential to me since I haven't been using guitar synthesizer to create ambient washes and long sustains. To get the most out of a DL-4 I highly recommend getting an expression pedal for it, or any of the other L6 modelers for that matter. Since getting the M-13 I have been experimenting with using multiple delays and expression pedals to create long ambient pads, with the expression pedals set to control multiple parameters of mix, feedback, and in the case of the analog w/modulation delay, mod depth. Usually for these ambient sounds I combine the auto-volume swell delay, with the afore mentioned analog w' mod delay, and either the sweep or ducking delay.. I'll have each delay often set to a different beat value, and control them all via tap tempo, so I can create complex delay polyrhythms. As far as the other effects are concerned, I'm finding how cool an expression pedal can be to morph a distortion preset. You can very easily set up an expression pedal to work as a gas pedal for your distortion effects so that when you push down on the pedal it changes the gain structure, EQ, and volume level of the overdrive. This kind of control is certainly not new, but I'm surprised more guitarists don't tap in to this capability. Another thing I was curious to try out was the effects loop, which you can assign to be any where in the chain. In the past, one disappointment I've had with modeling processors is their sometime strange and non- musical sounding interaction with common analog stomp boxes. I have a favorite overdrive that I wanted to integrate with the M-13. I first plugged into the overdrive and then the M-13 and the results where less than desirable, with loading and loss of dynamic range in the pedal, Next I used the overdrive in the effects loop and the difference was like night and day, the overdrive, which is tube-driven performed perfectly. The other thing I noticed was the M-13 does not display the internal clipping I've noticed in modelers I've used before. With the vox tonelab I had issues with effects at the beginning of the chain clipping other effects in the chain creating harshness in the high frequencies. Bear in mind the M-13 is an effects modeler, not an amp modeler, it was designed to go in front of an amp, not direct. As an effects processor there are more sophisticated models on the market that will allow you to use many more effects at one time. But what I like about the M-13 , other than its excellent sound, is it really is set up like a modular pedal board where you can swap the order of effects very quickly and experiment with different changes of effects without scrolling through tiny parameter screens, and having to even perform save functions, as the M-13 remembers each knob tweak without having to perform a save. This is very handy when you have to quickly change a parameter in performance. Also, I ran A/B comparisons between my Keeley compressor and the onboard tube compressor model in the M-13, based on the legendary LA-2 compressor. I must say, the M-13 model is fantastic, quieter than the Keeley and very transparent and dynamic unless you really crank up the sensitivity, which is true for any compressor. As for the Looper, It really is like I mentioned before, l a DL-4 with twice the loop length, separate switches for half speed, and reverse. And undo and pre/post switch to place the looper either before or after the effects and variable feedback.. The undo works well and it is interesting to note that , although it won't peel away anything other than your last overdub, it will remember original feedback settings, so that if you have set the feed back low to fade your loop out as you ad new content, if you hit undo it will restore everything including original feedback settings. The only drawbacks for me is only one expression pedal can be assigned to the looper function, which is a drag as I'd like to be able to control both loop level and feedback (called overdub level in the M-13), and the ability to vary feedback can only occur while in overdub mode not in play. Oh well,. Overall, I'm impressed with the M-13 and I'm having a blast with how much control I can have creating complex delays that I haven't done much exploration of the other effects. Some of the mutron style filter effects are cool, the sub octave fuzz is very cool, modulations in general are very good sounding with the leslie simulation and tri-chorus being stand outs. Overdrives are good though I prefer my tube overdrive to most of the models, but I have been having great results using a combination of both analog and modeled distortions . This is a cool box that has a very usable looper and is a delay freak's paradise. 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I’ve been using continuous controllers for a = long time, expression pedals to be more specific, to controller effects parameters = as well as loopers, while keeping my hands free to play the guitar.. It started = first with an early Lake butler single expression pedal, controlling the =  delay depth, continued through the use of built in expression pedal jacks on a = Digitech IPS33B, and when I  got my first  DL-4 back 99’, I got = an expression pedal for it and have used it ever since for regeneration, = delay depth and delay speed control. I sometimes  visit pedal board sites = like pedaltrain.com  to see photos of other people’s pedal boards and I’m = always amazed at how many people own DL-4’s, and how few people seem to use an expression pedal with them.  The ability to morph parameters with = an expression pedal has become essential to me since I haven’t been = using guitar synthesizer to create ambient washes and long sustains. To get = the most out of a DL-4 I highly recommend getting an expression pedal for it, or = any of the other L6 modelers for that matter.

 Since getting the M-13 I have been = experimenting with using multiple delays and expression pedals to create long ambient pads, = with the expression pedals set to control multiple parameters of mix, = feedback, and in the case of the analog w/modulation delay, mod depth. Usually for = these ambient sounds I combine the auto-volume swell delay, with the afore = mentioned analog w’ mod delay, and either  the sweep or ducking delay.. = I’ll have each delay often set to a different beat value, and control them = all via tap tempo, so I can create complex delay polyrhythms. As far as the = other effects are concerned, I’m finding how cool an expression pedal = can be to morph a distortion preset. You can very easily set up an expression = pedal to work as a gas pedal for your distortion effects so that when you push = down on the pedal it changes the gain structure, EQ, and volume level of the = overdrive. This kind of control is certainly not new, but I’m surprised more guitarists don’t tap in to this = capability.

 Another thing I was curious to try out was the = effects loop, which you can assign to be any where in the chain. In the past, = one disappointment I’ve had with modeling processors is their sometime strange and non- musical sounding interaction with common analog stomp = boxes. I have a favorite overdrive that I wanted to integrate with the M-13. I = first plugged into the overdrive and then the M-13 and the results where less = than desirable, with loading and loss of dynamic range in the pedal, =  Next I used the overdrive in  the effects loop and the difference was like = night and day, the overdrive, which is tube-driven performed perfectly. The other = thing I noticed was the M-13 does not display the internal clipping I’ve = noticed in modelers I’ve used before. With the vox tonelab I had issues = with effects at the beginning of the chain clipping other effects in the chain = creating harshness in the high frequencies. Bear in mind the M-13 is an effects = modeler, not an amp modeler, it was designed to go in front of an amp, not = direct. As an effects processor there are more sophisticated models on the market that = will allow you to use many more effects at one time.  But what I like = about the M-13 , other than its excellent sound, is it really is set up like a = modular pedal board where you can swap the  order of effects very quickly = and experiment with different changes of effects without scrolling through tiny = parameter screens, and having to even perform save functions, as the M-13 = remembers each knob tweak without  having to perform a save. This is very handy = when you have to quickly change a parameter in performance. =

Also, I ran A/B comparisons between my Keeley = compressor and the onboard tube compressor model in the M-13, based on the legendary = LA-2 compressor. I must say, the M-13 model is fantastic, quieter than the = Keeley and very transparent and dynamic unless you really crank up the = sensitivity, which is true for any compressor.

 As for the Looper, It really is like I = mentioned before, l a  DL-4 with twice the loop length, separate switches = for  half speed, and reverse. And undo and pre/post switch to place the = looper either before or after the effects and variable feedback.. The undo = works well and it is interesting to note that , although it won’t peel away = anything other than your last overdub, it will remember original feedback = settings, so that if you have set the feed back low to fade your loop out as you ad = new content, if you hit undo it will restore everything including original = feedback settings. The only drawbacks for me is only one expression pedal can be assigned to the looper function, which is a drag as I’d like to be = able to control both loop level and feedback (called overdub level in the = M-13), and the ability to vary feedback can only occur while in overdub mode not in = play. Oh well,. Overall, I’m impressed with the M-13 and I’m = having a blast with how much control I can have creating complex delays that I = haven’t done much exploration of the other effects. Some of the mutron style =  filter effects are cool, the sub octave fuzz is very cool, modulations in = general are very good sounding with the leslie simulation and tri-chorus being stand = outs. Overdrives are  good though I prefer my tube overdrive to most of the models, = but I have been having great results using a combination of both analog and modeled = distortions . This is a cool box that has a very usable looper and is a delay = freak’s paradise.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C941BD.C6E72030-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:20:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95CAC3BE98; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:20:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=l2sd/ygrrexrl//t5FD9hLP70J/ZVABSZD5J3k3o0z0=; b=F08ACArAv4Qvf0QWGkeGtiTDqOpoaT+G6HZWfdWqPXG7ZXhjXXcdxGAt3eFtK6ilBr SI8FWLwwPN/LE+jGNTo8YnBEAym5bl4ClvT7y7ovNzzxyc8/n0f4CgeXOMLDubl8KKn0 rVTEQV4ufWq5vBjILIsWRF81Do84O/gD0mcv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lvnX52lT4oa0m4WozOp6ApqCeZORXT5RcVjPWtsUnfDejbP3vCZSNtaq1uDrHdrBcF FiUCYatybu9y5BDko4oa3vjdq/9FiP6NiHojvXuvx4f5qpTWTihDiKRRRK6fBuNeTCGL zpsvcWc17bvs6+W6OjJU3kDv8Wy94nUVOC6Yk= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811081620p32faee49vef17ccec78167664@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:20:36 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS In-Reply-To: <931214.79724.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10091_2155014.1226190036066" References: <931214.79724.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b4a72ade9b6c92df Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:20:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10091_2155014.1226190036066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use Final Cut Pro too... but... its my job, can anyone ELSE afford it??? Whats wrong with iMovie mate??? BTW, if anyone wants to try some arty farty real-time psychedelic mindfucking software, that can react to midi and audio... check our Image/ine or ImX as the latest version is called... fun, but heavy... m I like Vegas. The wife keeps pushing FCP. (Obviously, we've got a PC vs. Mac > dichotomy thang goin' on in our household...) > --- On Sat, 11/8/08, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > > > What software are you editing these videos in. > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_10091_2155014.1226190036066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use Final Cut Pro too... but... its my job, can anyone ELSE afford it??? Whats wrong with iMovie mate???

BTW, if anyone wants to try some arty farty real-time psychedelic mindfucking software, that can react to midi and audio... check our Image/ine or ImX as the latest version is called... fun, but heavy...

m


I like Vegas. The wife keeps pushing FCP. (Obviously, we've got a PC vs. Mac dichotomy thang goin' on in our household...)
--- On Sat, 11/8/08, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:

> What software are you editing these videos in.


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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_10091_2155014.1226190036066-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:24:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DD73BEA0; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1EA22CAF-B72F-4824-B0C5-40A37B92DEC9@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:17:36 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Don't know anything about the lo-fi aspect of your question, tEd, but =20= you couldn't do better than iMovie as free and powerful video editor =20 on the Mac. If you've got iMovie 8, you might want to download iMovie =20= HD, available for free from Apple for anyone with ver. 8 who misses =20 the earlier version. Both are very capable, but the HD version has a =20 more traditional interface with obvious tracks on a time line, you can =20= get lots of plugins for it, and it offers a ton of built-in FX. Ver 8 =20= is thought to be dumbed down, but it's actually smartened up in many =20 respects. No matter, you can use both. Pogue's Missing Manual is a =20 great resource for it, and I'll be happy to field any questions you'll =20= have. dc On Nov 8, 2008, at 3:49 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Anyone using one and also using a Mac to edit their video on? > > Other solutions and/or suggestions (given that I am solidly =20 > committed to the Mac platform - it's what I've been using for 20 =20 > years)? > > What software are you editing these videos in. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 00:42:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B0A3BE95; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=gY/HMFM54mCXoY7ZWdOBPGwLYfujhy5Xz7NfKrWH3EI=; b=i6hM1xRTv9pRu65JwbFaonq+txhWVCrSJwwuGvOxczCnIUNmMM7O/ckO9EccgvHcN8 7LBTyIPYunmoFIEHNeOIuJa+Wes6DwSKLnhFdsI7r4Bz40Mu2KXdWyBldwTBlCcoBzYN OOp2KqhZCmScMMD2bgJo1toL0utV4t97UwHNg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=S5xIQgbCoTAfwke/DxiJY1izsp/ofP2hD4PYrze/wuPDN2rvNinPpxm/A2VrPy+ja4 oNpXWb90l15KjyNv5vodYfjOxOMsDP1Jt2riEMU3dlrsP57jhPYel+b2+DONIVG98rdo 5MAVKENJcV3k1fZWOjwfWqww14OnG9A8hSV3o= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 16:42:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 00:42:36 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 8, 2008, at 3:49 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Now these things are getting smaller and seemingly cheaper all the =20 > time (even in the range I am thinking of . . . like one of those =20 > little Flip Video DV Cams). There is an HD cam now in the price range of the Flip: http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/small_wonder_ez.php regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 01:11:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75623BE95; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <1EA22CAF-B72F-4824-B0C5-40A37B92DEC9@earthlink.net> References: <1EA22CAF-B72F-4824-B0C5-40A37B92DEC9@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <26c178fe209a4fcfacccff492dcfffa5@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:11:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <131RGD.A.mhF.uijFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:11:10 +0000 (UTC) DC, Not owning a camera I never really gave a thought to iMovie which is=20 right on my Mac already. It's one of those things I had that I never use. As a matter of fact I shared a copy of it via Box.net with another LD=20 member recently who had deleted it from his computer. I may ask for pointers in the future, thanks! Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:17 PM, David Coffin wrote: > Don't know anything about the lo-fi aspect of your question, tEd, but=20= > you couldn't do better than iMovie as free and powerful video editor=20= > on the Mac. If you've got iMovie 8, you might want to download iMovie=20= > HD, available for free from Apple for anyone with ver. 8 who misses=20 > the earlier version. Both are very capable, but the HD version has a=20= > more traditional interface with obvious tracks on a time line, you can=20= > get lots of plugins for it, and it offers a ton of built-in FX. Ver 8=20= > is thought to be dumbed down, but it's actually smartened up in many=20= > respects. No matter, you can use both. Pogue's Missing Manual is a=20 > great resource for it, and I'll be happy to field any questions you'll=20= > have. > dc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 01:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6559B3BE95; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811081620p32faee49vef17ccec78167664@mail.gmail.com> References: <931214.79724.qm@web45302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <9ab0c76f0811081620p32faee49vef17ccec78167664@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: <53ef6d0e369128228331978a46c6d1f7@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:14:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Mark, As I just wrote to David Coffin, I forgot all about iMovie (what it was=20= for or could do) because I never owned a camera to begin with. On one desktop Mac I used to have (it's now my college age son's) I'd=20 purge all of the other extra software I was sure I would never use. I'll give it a look. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that=20= you didn=92t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines.=20= Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails.=20 Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:20 PM, mark francombe wrote: > I use Final Cut Pro too... but... its my job, can anyone ELSE afford=20= > it??? Whats wrong with iMovie mate??? > > BTW, if anyone wants to try some arty farty real-time psychedelic=20 > mindfucking software, that can react to midi and audio... check our=20 > Image/ine or ImX as the latest version is called... fun, but heavy... > > m From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 01:57:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 321223BE98; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226195839; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=6cy+M79vV5dlLlNhLWKrOudF5j0=; b=pisS4ci0Q2otFSLOqQ/qsvVps/3DM1F9sdu/ZCpV/JxXyZ2WNw6yFyMoqcYGdMTa talB1aVZq9e5SOb9sOcVP79vp88wDghYPHBp538VfsxAGYGO0QkiebjwtlpaUlIV; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xu8sHJxN-X0A:10 a=LWfYLtQSdacA:10 a=r1eFG_cTAAAA:8 a=V18y-XuLAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=c9eTbBAgAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=dFgK3LtHLre7S5XL0KgA:9 a=oXfN9iKTCIycTbX6xYgA:7 a=obOvMc9wEP3PlhIRt7PVGIDwQXwA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001201c9420e$7f591650$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:57:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 01:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Hey Ted, I am now using a Flip Ultra $115.00 on Amazon. I am also completly new to video so I read reviews and they were great for this price break. The sound record part is also pretty fair for what it is. I like it . 1 hour record, built in usb, and internal software which I don't use. The problem I had was that I could not open its AVIs in Sony Vegas or even Windows Movie Maker, all I got was audio. I checked around and found that if I converted the AVI it makes to WMV it worked fine. Slow though. I just upgraded my old Vegas 6.0 to 9.0 platinum for 50.00 and it works like a charm without converting. http://www.theflip.com/store/Product.aspx?CID=F2 Says that it works with a mac. As far as Mac software check the forums http://www.maclife.com/forums/post/1503267 There is a ton of stuff on it. Hope this helps at all, Jeff Says that it works with a mac. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tEd ® KiLLiAn" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:49 PM Subject: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Greetings Spacefarers, Like a good many of you I am finding myself watching in amazement as some of our colleagues from this very LD list create and post some rather nice little (if grainy) videos online - the most creative of which seem to be done especially on the cheap and low-fi end of the technology spectrum. Fascinated as I am myself with this phenomenon, I continue to feel somewhat fearful about trying anything similar of my own for the simple fact that (even though I am a parent of 3 children) I have never even owned a video camera in my life. On occasion, some friend at some function or gathering will hand a camcorder to me so I can continue to record some scene while they themselves are otherwise occupied. This has always left me feeling rather nervous (even though I am quite comfortable around "still" cameras - digital or otherwise - having studied photography in HS and college). But that is the sum of my experience with the things. The short version of the long story: when the kids were small, cameras were bulky, complex and expensive . . . we were poor and had other survival considerations in mind than providing video fodder for deprived grandparents only a few hours away. So we never bought one. Now these things are getting smaller and seemingly cheaper all the time (even in the range I am thinking of . . . like one of those little Flip Video DV Cams). Someone on the list recently mentioned the Flip Cam as something they used. Anyone using one and also using a Mac to edit their video on? Other solutions and/or suggestions (given that I am solidly committed to the Mac platform - it's what I've been using for 20 years)? What software are you editing these videos in. Thanks for any info any of you might provide. tEd ® KiLLiAn Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn’t do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain http://www.myspace.com/tedkillian http://www.reverbnation.com/tedkillian http://www.pfmentum.com/PFMCD007.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://guitarplayer.com/article/y2k6-international-live/Jun-07/27768 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at Apple iTunes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 7:58 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 02:18:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65EA63BE98; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 7221 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 02:18:03 UTC Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c9420e$7f591650$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 18:18:02 -0800 References: <001201c9420e$7f591650$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Looks like a nice fit: http://www.google.com/search?q=Flip%20Ultra%20mac On Nov 8, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Anyone using one and also using a Mac to edit their video on? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 02:32:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 532C33BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226197936; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=kkNNBL6yypsbVAELKdqj+CD0+co=; b=fA7jcQZ3UzXSshOVL530XSn7QKpaFuwCZeZHgOhleiRYKOIkNdA+u5GVU2VB5oX/ 3IubH0NH0QFeyJzx3q+CNYqSrgCVHny+WKSFxoQFOuxpdR7TyMETmUahBMx4zldV; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8iWsPkr3AGQA:10 a=QqoYe6kPwzEA:10 a=Bi8y0gU1AAAA:8 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=mOEwWpr5aO2TGQbteWQA:9 a=Ey0x2nhRfTgxjyKq-u8A:7 a=kWso0t4XGi5ql11HtEdN9tvVOLgA:4 a=1wbSg2HUW0IA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <005f01c94213$6160de80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 21:32:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 02:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Then I could be a Hi Def lofi video guy! Or would that be lo fi HI def? Nevermind... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "RP Collier" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:42 PM Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS On Nov 8, 2008, at 3:49 PM, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Now these things are getting smaller and seemingly cheaper all the > time (even in the range I am thinking of . . . like one of those > little Flip Video DV Cams). There is an HD cam now in the price range of the Flip: http://dvice.com/archives/2008/09/small_wonder_ez.php regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 7:58 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 04:31:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5643E3BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:31:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 04:31:27 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5PoKEiQ3hQr7Y2ViClsVkLrU/93SvlTyZR+DSZV37ME1HEtzQ2FiNe40Pd9b/o5IFrHue+IR+HQvhN2MlyWjpOfzip03RqyFiB5lmDB8z1fIJl4w5xNFsvn9UiPixjYMr0zHy7O0Jye17IMLnDmVsuJnlaUDlUhaAZJK9EmV0CU=; X-YMail-OSG: CqiWGbIVM1mG5tj.zeqa.ZoFMZzUDK0YMaQgl6cYaEk3rAsqZrlT9kZFDBvMjQu8fTsR8y2mjEz7eyBKty28zXudTcGs9vAvn1niWDbMO04snIXXswV06ZXIhsYRixdS7CmKDfXNVCWD1B35MBNj1WlWQoU9uAMeu70pXnLg8Eix_K7.BBbG6usKCrVjXIms2PrfIX.XvtS2w1c- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:24:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Tony Douglas Reply-To: tonyisyourpal@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Breathing To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <631068.40749.qm@web27702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:31:28 +0000 (UTC) If I was asked to list the places I would ever have thought of seeing menti= on of The One And Only Jimmy Shand (apart from his wee boy), Loopers Deligh= t wouldn't have appeared anywhere near the top of that list. Tartan jackets= ahoy ! What a community ...! Jings, crivvens, help ma boab !! What next, the White Heather Club ?? --- On Sat, 8/11/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > From: Travis Hartnett > Subject: Re: Breathing > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, 8 November, 2008, 4:38 PM > Jimmy Shand, the legendary accordianist, said that he took > his tempo cues > from the feet of the best dancer in the room. Then all the > musicians > followed Shand's lead. >=20 > TH >=20 > On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, samba - > wrote: >=20 > > Tuning into one's own breath is fundamentl. > Tuning into the audiences > > breath is part of entraining with the audience,and is > one of the secrets of > > engaging performance. > >=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 04:47:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E4B03BE91; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:47:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_v7M1yJKBofwXSsmHue2bNA)" Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <5D753882-91A7-476D-96A5-6159D9519B79@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: billwalker@baymoon.com In-reply-to: <76536EC68D124A37A030A1F9DD6475DC@williamsteed> Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2008 23:47:27 -0500 References: <76536EC68D124A37A030A1F9DD6475DC@williamsteed> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: <5Z13-B.A.HNC.ytmFJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:47:46 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_v7M1yJKBofwXSsmHue2bNA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable all great ideas... =46rom the comments the M13 product dev manager has made in the Line 6 =20= forums there might actually be some sort of advanced version... AND =20 no new features will be added to the current M13, just bug fixes. See =20= the http://line6.com/M13 forum. Also, I don't think there is or ever will be any way to add an extra =20 expression pedal through midi. The only midi control available is the =20= same as what is there as exp inputs. That part is a little =20 disappointing, like I said... but... the thing is kind of awesome =20 anyway. There is a typo in the advanced users guide saying that there =20= is separate loop volume available through midi, but it's not true. I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc via =20= a midi solutions product, "beat converter"... works great. On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, William Walker wrote: > Hi Teddy, what might be more likely to happen is a software revision =20= > or two because that is possible but it would have to be done via =20 > midi data dump from a computer, which ain=92t no big deal. Actually =20= > it would be easy to add another expression pedal via mid with a =20 > product from midi solutions called the pedal controller which could =20= > add an extra expression pedal via the midi in without having to add =20= > a big midi controller to one=92s rig.. The cool new thing that would =20= > also work is hot hand has announced a midi controller that uses =20 > there hand gesture activated technology. Imagine being able to =20 > control feedback intensity by pointing your finger at some fine fine =20= > lady in the front row Oh yeh, but seriously the hand thing is =20 > intriguing to me, imagine controlling panning speed with the speed =20 > of your strumming? > Bill > > From: Teddy Kumpel [mailto:teddybut@mac.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:33 PM > To: billwalker@baymoon.com > Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers > > I agree Bill, I've been using the m13 for a couple of months now and =20= > it really is amazing. True that it doesn't have enough midi =20 > implementation or expression inputs, but I bet they come out with an =20= > m13 plus with more bells and whistles sometime in the next year. > > You can hear a whole lot of m13 in action on the downloads page on =20 > my website. > > Teddy Kumpel > http://teddyjam.com --Boundary_(ID_v7M1yJKBofwXSsmHue2bNA) Content-type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable all great = ideas... 

=46rom the comments the M13 product = dev manager has made in the Line 6 forums there might actually be some = sort of advanced version...  AND no new features will be added to = the current M13, just bug fixes. See the http://line6.com/M13 = forum.

Also, I don't think there is or ever = will be any way to add an extra expression pedal through midi. The only = midi control available is the same as what is there as exp inputs. That = part is a little disappointing, like I said... but... the thing is kind = of awesome anyway. There is a typo in the advanced users guide saying = that there is separate loop volume available through midi, but it's not = true.

I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 = to the M13 tap tempo cc via a midi solutions product, "beat = converter"... works great.


On Nov = 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, William Walker wrote:

Hi Teddy, what might be more likely = to happen is a software revision or two because that is possible  = but it would have to be done via midi data dump from a computer, which = ain=92t  no big deal.  Actually it would be easy to add = another expression pedal via mid with a product from midi solutions = called the pedal controller which could add an extra expression pedal = via the midi in without having to add a big midi controller to one=92s = rig..  The cool new thing that would also work is hot hand has = announced a midi controller that uses there hand gesture activated = technology. Imagine being able to control feedback intensity by pointing = your finger at some fine fine lady in the front row Oh yeh, but = seriously the hand thing is intriguing to me, imagine controlling = panning speed with the speed of your = strumming?
Bill
 Teddy Kumpel [mailto:teddybut@mac.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 = 4:33 PM
To: Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and = continuos controllers
= --Boundary_(ID_v7M1yJKBofwXSsmHue2bNA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 04:51:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FC2C3BE88; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=74PtMFzpC/1DVfxEBpLr4xcmtRXQ9l9ZdVr8+RKbTFA=; b=UrQ6lzqRnFvL4dVHTOQMyi6rjdGlzaH7AM81jO6v7BEcxUuQgF7K5YF7rnzi8if3nI Y/ovXUm2LlbQ2Qcz/jtX9wy9XiIyTTqTp2+qBGd5QFZPeKL1VGKFcKUDQOwJSxzdvt8v yxWZBk2rJSO7hhN+AqfXCK9EpH/rcC1Uqw55g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=l1fBQaUow2AiLOGhE/vrJ2oqCUtIohV3qWnt0P17S7XIc1Q5PBstzGnP1k32d8rz08 RE/k3ZlGyvx1FVf5W+eiH6kTacLXOhOdsGYGVHZ+vaBEv8fqD9uHhzEcQ/n2GGzo1Te1 oGE22JHZxtegcj4W/NfiL/dZb/PbKqXX9WdFY= Message-ID: <333287c30811082051g6b10eec6gc406914fc5bf4310@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 20:51:47 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <000301c941fb$7ad313a0$70793ae0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_71586_1854042.1226206307602" References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080806v52aba365s6b02064b804ee816@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811080826n5f2ca5b7i904a784d843ffd47@mail.gmail.com> <001f01c941f4$83b62db0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <000301c941fb$7ad313a0$70793ae0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 04:51:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_71586_1854042.1226206307602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've been using mindfuck as a way to describe my and these kinds of music for years. Hell, it's even on the myspace. =3DP Although for more recent stuff I say urgent/ambient as that was the vein I was focusing heavily on for awhile, and it's under the mindfuck umbrella. -nn happyhumans.org On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Tony K wrote: > Steven Wilson (of Porcupine Tree) has a project called IEM =96 Incredibl= e > Expanding Mindf**k. It's pretty spacey. > > > > Tony > > > > *From:* Jeff Duke [mailto:jeff_d@embarqmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:51 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: What's experimental? > > > > I like the name but you would probably have a bunch of death metal fans o= r > whatever it is called nowdays. > > > > http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=3Dmindfuck > > > > but the name is open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/ > > > > Probably too cerebral... > > > > jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Warren Sirota > > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:26 AM > > *Subject:* Re: What's experimental? > > > > > > I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and let peop= le > interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so much making > music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if anyone has a > gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be interested). > > > Warren > ------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 > 7:58 PM > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1774 - Release Date: 11/7/2008 > 7:58 PM > ------=_Part_71586_1854042.1226206307602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I've been using mindfuck as a way to describe my and these kinds of mus= ic for years.  Hell, it's even on the myspace. =3DP

Althoug= h for more recent stuff I say urgent/ambient as that was the vein I was foc= using heavily on for awhile, and it's under the mindfuck umbrella.

-nn
happyhumans.org

On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Steven Wilson = (of Porcupine Tree) has a project called IEM =96 Incredible Expanding Mindf**k.  It's pretty spacey.

 <= /p>

Tony

 <= /p>

From: Jeff Duke [mailto:jeff_d@e= mbarqmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 5:51 PM


To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: What's experimental?

 

I like the name but you would probably have a bunch of death metal fans or whatever it is called nowdays.

 

 

but the name is open...http://www.deathmetal.org/death_metal/bands/<= /p>

 

Probably too cerebral...

 

jeff

----- Original Message -----

= From: Warren Si= rota

Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:26 AM

Subject: Re: What's experimental?

 



I think I need to change the name of my group to "Mindf*ck", and = let people interpret that as they may (after all, my goal often isn't so mu= ch making music as messing with people's heads anyway). (actually, if anyo= ne has a gentler way of saying that that they could share, I'd be interested).

Warren


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 Hey everyone- I sold my DD-20 for the Line6 M13, = which implements looping better than the DD-20- I like how all of the effects = can be pre or post loop- however, I realize I needed the ‘Twist’ = sound from the DD-20 for a specific recording. This is essentially some sort = of rising pitch self oscillating sound the DD-20 has, and it seems whatever = the source, the sound is the same…it rises and then falls. I tried to approximate it with other delays, but the way the Boss works is a smooth = rise and fall…

If anyone has a DD-20, and some spare time, if anyone can provide either an mp3 or wav of that ‘Twist’ sound over 5 or = 6 seconds (rise & fall time) then I would be = gratetful!

 

 

dave eichenberger

www.daveeichenberger.com

 

 

 

 

 

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Regards, David James From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 10:38:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 592143BE8F; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 101454761/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.251.39/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.251.39 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag8BAJ1MFklPRvsn/2dsb2JhbAAIyAiDWIND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,568,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="101454761" Message-ID: <4916BE58.2090908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:41:28 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:38:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Bill, great review, I 'd guess that most guitarists don't use an expression ped because it breaks the "maximum of 3 knobs and an on/off switch" rule. William Walker wrote: > musical sounding interaction with common analog stomp boxes. I have a > favorite overdrive that I wanted to integrate with the M-13. I first which overdrive is that?...please tell :-) > save functions, as the M-13 remembers each knob tweak without having to > perform a save. This is very handy when you have to quickly change a > parameter in performance. does that also mean that you lose the preset you saved if you experiment with it? andy butler ps you might like to edit the field in your email software, at the moment, anyone who replies to your list mail will send just to you, and not to the list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 11:33:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5659D3BE88; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=mx2Nb+Y+C4SYUcqL37Za0SlgqD89hjrXaN56SrU1tQ4=; b=v8VXHUqjpzAy/ZRd3rYXmP7HPOAoatgDewMKzkkqikct/YhieTYXEMPa2MNJqUUeIl 31hZ/5gQBboASImwTKERICHldklhsApjFjPAjuQy+/JocAxW855QkiifPNs0mhmKus/k oyCXiMNFPc9N9eHpWDONjiIX7uQdHmFio97fQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TtndprWC8hWEOm3opo5zMpbUzoNHQLcVaGle3MUcZxUeqPDQI1+6o0SmheIUONLfea 23nyEKlaDJHjjYxPYHft+k+RPkKFRWC29dmvEczbodV9WccwGWiW8ac1i0bjImuWWhfO ITuc6bAMnmaIiYCbkcjHnQ98U9ROIC9/Wklzg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811090333y73f6c82vf785224ff632ada8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:33:21 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:33:22 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 1:19 AM, William Walker wro= te: > I've been using continuous controllers for a long time, expression pedals= to > be more specific, (not quoting all of it, since it's already on the list) Very interesting, Bill! I had a wonderful breakfast here, chewing m=FCsli in front of the screen and cramping my brain to figure out all the options you have with those units. You should build a jack router for them! So you can reconfigure the hole shebang by kicking a button. --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 12:11:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D072B3BE89; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:11:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VDIFMcahnTwh+3CA7IT9wHyJOHnwzXhHnRspEfLyEcI=; b=f7ribS+F2U3Kgj27Thd39+LU9AvW9Ot975C7vV5KylLhDYAiQk54mcTZjOHG93AtJe BkXw8/RaLsfNxff7OZqjbOiYmvA7ErSIP4+xtccUTI+SeZNVVqo6EDq3GipFJ/+wcwFE jDs879OH8yMKZGV4IkU5/SwxGKp5EJP0uBpQo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=p4/bdPZDNI5qMG/Bmh8L3Jc0HSKjLj7FnLCgBqPQaEY3Ih9by/9Z8UpFfvTrbq8ljH HgvRERkWMcf3pva+IFn2QeMGV0WBSJYdhk+crFETb4TUxGWa2UW0zaLJ0AzJ+2GHRRg0 4QReyunITma9QQSzWroZmWUsK7WkXmmM2T2vc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811090411n39092b7dvbeaba2c0d4fe747@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:11:33 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:11:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:49 AM, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > Anyone using one and also using a Mac to edit their video on? Yep, I use iMovie. And only on my G5 that runs Tiger, not on the newer Macs that run Leopard and above. The reason for this I share with many other users I have spoken to; the old Tiger version of iMove is much simpler to get around with. I'd love to get into FCP, but doing it just for the love of it would be a bit expensive. Maybe Apple will trash the price tag for FCP as they did with Logic Pro Studio 8... I have ImX too, that Mark mentioned, but I have not had the hardware to make use of it in concerts yet. I've seen great ImX live MIDI video performances at festivals and that was how I got to know about this free Mac software (for real-time visualization of MIDI). I'd like to build an ImX patch that visualizes the MIDI control events I'm sending to the looper and effects, I guess that would be enough and also make some communicative sense except for "simply looking good" which feels a bit lame somehow. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 12:42:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627323BE8B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:42:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226234537; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=ok9y4xDqGvakbNDl/8qhUceCOT0=; b=Ak94ZXKdWgTp7lOAfnqmupgFoj27vE9WNb3n9g57anGIOWqDtCLI6+CswwDiotrc kPxD5gOw28Qoc6y5rK6A+3HaEsC49mk3fO+/+wh1ZS6a2XaeUhIVK0eEUeGMG6xE; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jkxRxPM0AAAA:8 a=WcyoBHRqAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=vD5e8yuXaGHToIv4i1MA:9 a=wh1Giw7-Xf6tXeO5MWkA:7 a=hvv1SfxnU5Mp8E5iSYzKqutBzZcA:4 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=8b0TY1xhFYQA:10 a=eREGV8YdUckqg_A-6fEA:9 a=I3kwo02ElQzLb7W9HBgA:7 a=V1qSY_9ICaboXPxTaHIb0aj6jlcA:4 a=WD2S8eiFAUIA:10 a=V9aB5C61OLQA:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004f01c94268$cbb4b720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <76536EC68D124A37A030A1F9DD6475DC@williamsteed> <5D753882-91A7-476D-96A5-6159D9519B79@mac.com> Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:43:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004C_01C9423E.E2410F90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85311 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:42:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C9423E.E2410F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can you sync the loops to midi clock?=20 Teddy Kumbel said:=20 >I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc via a = midi solutions product, >"beat converter"... works great.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Teddy Kumpel=20 To: billwalker@baymoon.com=20 Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers all great ideas...=20 From the comments the M13 product dev manager has made in the Line 6 = forums there might actually be some sort of advanced version... AND no = new features will be added to the current M13, just bug fixes. See the = http://line6.com/M13 forum. Also, I don't think there is or ever will be any way to add an extra = expression pedal through midi. The only midi control available is the = same as what is there as exp inputs. That part is a little = disappointing, like I said... but... the thing is kind of awesome = anyway. There is a typo in the advanced users guide saying that there is = separate loop volume available through midi, but it's not true. I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc via = a midi solutions product, "beat converter"... works great. On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, William Walker wrote: Hi Teddy, what might be more likely to happen is a software revision = or two because that is possible but it would have to be done via midi = data dump from a computer, which ain=92t no big deal. Actually it = would be easy to add another expression pedal via mid with a product = from midi solutions called the pedal controller which could add an extra = expression pedal via the midi in without having to add a big midi = controller to one=92s rig.. The cool new thing that would also work is = hot hand has announced a midi controller that uses there hand gesture = activated technology. Imagine being able to control feedback intensity = by pointing your finger at some fine fine lady in the front row Oh yeh, = but seriously the hand thing is intriguing to me, imagine controlling = panning speed with the speed of your strumming? Bill -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- From: Teddy Kumpel [mailto:teddybut@mac.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:33 PM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers I agree Bill, I've been using the m13 for a couple of months now and = it really is amazing. True that it doesn't have enough midi = implementation or expression inputs, but I bet they come out with an m13 = plus with more bells and whistles sometime in the next year. You can hear a whole lot of m13 in action on the downloads page on = my website. Teddy Kumpel http://teddyjam.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1776 - Release Date: = 11/8/2008 6:49 PM ------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C9423E.E2410F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can you sync the loops to midi clock?=20

Teddy Kumbel said:=20

>I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc = via a=20 midi solutions product, >"beat converter"... works great.=20

 

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Teddy = Kumpel=20
Cc: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, November 08, = 2008 11:47=20 PM
Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and = continuos=20 controllers

all great ideas... 

From the comments the M13 product dev manager has made in the = Line 6=20 forums there might actually be some sort of advanced version... =  AND no=20 new features will be added to the current M13, just bug fixes. See the = http://line6.com/M13 forum.

Also, I don't think there is or ever will be any way to add an = extra=20 expression pedal through midi. The only midi control available is the = same as=20 what is there as exp inputs. That part is a little disappointing, like = I=20 said... but... the thing is kind of awesome anyway. There is a typo in = the=20 advanced users guide saying that there is separate loop volume = available=20 through midi, but it's not true.

I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc = via a=20 midi solutions product, "beat converter"... works great.
I = agree Bill,=20 I've been using the m13 for a couple of months now and it really is = amazing.=20 True that it doesn't have enough midi implementation or expression = inputs,=20 but I bet they come out with an m13 plus with more bells and = whistles=20 sometime in the next year.
You can hear a=20 whole lot of m13 in action on the downloads page on my=20 website.

Teddy=20 Kumpel
<= /DIV>

On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:34 PM, William Walker wrote:
Hi Teddy, = what=20 might be more likely to happen is a software revision or two because = that is=20 possible  but it would have to be done via midi data dump from = a=20 computer, which ain=92t  no big deal.  Actually it would = be easy to=20 add another expression pedal via mid with a product from midi = solutions=20 called the pedal controller which could add an extra expression = pedal via=20 the midi in without having to add a big midi controller to one=92s = rig.. =20 The cool new thing that would also work is hot hand has announced a = midi=20 controller that uses there hand gesture activated technology. = Imagine being=20 able to control feedback intensity by pointing your finger at some = fine fine=20 lady in the front row Oh yeh, but seriously the hand thing is = intriguing to=20 me, imagine controlling panning speed with the speed of your=20 strumming?
Bill
From: Teddy Kumpel [mailto:teddybut@mac.com] 
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Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and = continuos=20 controllers


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------=_NextPart_000_004C_01C9423E.E2410F90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 13:10:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BC83BE85; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=MNy6h9kDTgCDTQzSmHm0K5dZGdPzT8vwyrsy0FI1WBo=; b=iizqvNh6pQZ3cw8ccQYykvFmYwDojIE4OY8l6H6DHBO2gItaeG8JsU4YSOs+PwVYSv xm1+XxZDP/jjSU7Wtk+EnKLwYUO+HChjnBYsSJh74Svimc1OApNg6bgzdotd0q2JGQhT m67eMEyBJrAakwXV94SmnDi3AWfGG6j60H0ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=QUPX6V1sNfDrf3Bv/KBH54SCZiFZdZz6/rR5pAZFM3n4x1f3rDAlb3g4a2ZQJBLOmH KP4KaMmqbjyFCMqpYBAJ873YuHWVaJwH4WNrzdN3OawekhyFyLx6fAqCXsYCJUnMtNfE WDHOP8iYYfPwoUf4ZJ1TZqPXpATZkuwTVsQN4= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811090510u6180046fm5815f877744dfe9f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:10:33 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85312 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi Bill, thanks for that lengthy report on the M13. I find it interesting (and this is also in line with a lot of your findings) that Line6 seems to have a really odd strategy when defining their products, in so much that they always give you about 85% of the features you long for (and a few extra ones as well), but then leave a few really important ones uncovered. Examples here (without any claim of completeness): The (original and second-generation if I remember correctly as well) PODs came in a guitar and a bass guitar version (just like most competing products and all "high-level" ones). For some reason, the bass versions never had any delay effects but for some reason three or four distortion effect models. Then there was the wonderful Teletronix compressor model which you also mentioned - but it didn't exist in the guitar version. The rack version of the DL4 (don't remember the name, it was discontinued rather quickly if I remember correctly) had MIDI sync for its delays, but no MIDI sync for the looper. With all of their devices flexibility is lacking a great deal. You mentioned the great things you can do with the expression pedal, and I have to agree that for the DL4 the expression pedal implementation really rocked regarding that market segment. However with the M-13 (which I regard as not just a stompbox, but a very complex beast), why not give the possibility to use more complex curves. I always remember my Sony HR-GP5, a device from the end of the 80ies (if I remember correctly), which still sits in one of my racks, because you could (among other things) assign complex controller mappings for (a maximum of two) expression pedals and four MIDI CCs. And you had a very flexible routing structure - almost any combination of serial and parallel, something I've yet to find with some Line6 stuff. I'll talk a little bit about the POD X3 which I have: you have two independent processing paths, but you can't route one path's output to the other part (to cascade two amps, or two delays, or whatever). Then you always have the effects order stomp->delay->mod, you can't change that. No distortion after the delay e.g. No parallel routing, either (and I believe that's also true for the M-13). What bugs me most about the X3 that it gives you almost all of the effects from the stompbox modelers, yet leaves some very nice ones out for no apparent reason. Why on earth did they just leave out the dynamic delay and the tri-state chorus? It seems to me that the Line6 stuff is really great for people who don't feel comfortable editing patches (which I assume, are not that many on this list) - they simply keep you from editing a lot. I got my X3 because I wanted a floorboard amp modeller with effects which equally well caters to guitar and bass guitar - and for that, it was the best choice. Still, if there was a product which, say, combined the Boss GT-10 and GT-10B in one device, I'd get rid of my X3 and never look back. Rainer (It needs to be said that I like the amp and also some of the effect models better than all/most of the competitors. This however from someone who can't hear the difference anyway) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 13:28:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7CAE3BE8B; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <1C4F6834-51DE-4761-8A35-40B3D5FE4670@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <004f01c94268$cbb4b720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:28:20 -0500 References: <76536EC68D124A37A030A1F9DD6475DC@williamsteed> <5D753882-91A7-476D-96A5-6159D9519B79@mac.com> <004f01c94268$cbb4b720$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:28:34 +0000 (UTC) no... just delays, trems and whatever else has a time based parameter. On Nov 9, 2008, at 7:43 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Can you sync the loops to midi clock? > > Teddy Kumbel said: > > >I've got midi clock sending from my RC-50 to the M13 tap tempo cc > via a midi solutions product, >"beat converter"... works great. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 13:36:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5F4F3BE88; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <62684F5C-98BE-426A-AD13-1358863649BD@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <7334ca1b0811090510u6180046fm5815f877744dfe9f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:36:07 -0500 References: <7334ca1b0811090510u6180046fm5815f877744dfe9f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:36:23 +0000 (UTC) they love to keep things "bonehead simple" over there... I guess they think we're a little bit dumb. or maybe it helps them sell more boxes to the dumber people people which probably outnumber us. it is a shame since their stuff really is THAT good.... Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me On Nov 9, 2008, at 8:10 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hi Bill, > > thanks for that lengthy report on the M13. > > I find it interesting (and this is also in line with a lot of your > findings) that Line6 seems to have a really odd strategy when defining > their products, in so much that they always give you about 85% of the > features you long for (and a few extra ones as well), but then leave a > few really important ones uncovered. Examples here (without any claim > of completeness): > > The (original and second-generation if I remember correctly as well) > PODs came in a guitar and a bass guitar version (just like most > competing products and all "high-level" ones). For some reason, the > bass versions never had any delay effects but for some reason three or > four distortion effect models. Then there was the wonderful Teletronix > compressor model which you also mentioned - but it didn't exist in the > guitar version. > > The rack version of the DL4 (don't remember the name, it was > discontinued rather quickly if I remember correctly) had MIDI sync for > its delays, but no MIDI sync for the looper. > > With all of their devices flexibility is lacking a great deal. You > mentioned the great things you can do with the expression pedal, and I > have to agree that for the DL4 the expression pedal implementation > really rocked regarding that market segment. However with the M-13 > (which I regard as not just a stompbox, but a very complex beast), why > not give the possibility to use more complex curves. I always remember > my Sony HR-GP5, a device from the end of the 80ies (if I remember > correctly), which still sits in one of my racks, because you could > (among other things) assign complex controller mappings for (a maximum > of two) expression pedals and four MIDI CCs. > > And you had a very flexible routing structure - almost any combination > of serial and parallel, something I've yet to find with some Line6 > stuff. I'll talk a little bit about the POD X3 which I have: you have > two independent processing paths, but you can't route one path's > output to the other part (to cascade two amps, or two delays, or > whatever). Then you always have the effects order stomp->delay->mod, > you can't change that. No distortion after the delay e.g. No parallel > routing, either (and I believe that's also true for the M-13). > > What bugs me most about the X3 that it gives you almost all of the > effects from the stompbox modelers, yet leaves some very nice ones out > for no apparent reason. Why on earth did they just leave out the > dynamic delay and the tri-state chorus? > > It seems to me that the Line6 stuff is really great for people who > don't feel comfortable editing patches (which I assume, are not that > many on this list) - they simply keep you from editing a lot. I got my > X3 because I wanted a floorboard amp modeller with effects which > equally well caters to guitar and bass guitar - and for that, it was > the best choice. Still, if there was a product which, say, combined > the Boss GT-10 and GT-10B in one device, I'd get rid of my X3 and > never look back. > > Rainer > > (It needs to be said that I like the amp and also some of the effect > models better than all/most of the competitors. This however from > someone who can't hear the difference anyway) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 15:49:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6323BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=G8JOIovbjMojJ6DJmxYjE/0uPKQI7uUxP72+fAjQQZU=; b=BEQbQs/UlremAcwpEf261QhI0WuMlRzC9Z4N7o8lEigd48zn/q/nlkBlsb95QDGJ9M fIsFzGFaGn4x/bhlxCDy7yAEj4l6TtW+I5lir32kwOPJcm8jByhyfXM3+FxtBl1vEqpN d/XdODWD5oAuu36M4pVqyCSFs4FgqZrPSrniA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nYS97eipPHo6EDAxJoXTN/DGjujHpCnX25UWHt3Z5cUiIMTcgMWR2MeQdzeuk3yWu4 SgjPIFVRBp4NG0AUwNRQW8X/QbUQgbBpqxDuOkyTSzuMs2eI5RPc2uLd3FWaOhsZKXZd cuVxJyS92b9sifl0jx7s+fibP2nIV21ekhvgs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 07:49:05 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0811090510u6180046fm5815f877744dfe9f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35785_20963691.1226245745299" References: <7334ca1b0811090510u6180046fm5815f877744dfe9f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 15:49:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35785_20963691.1226245745299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't think this is particular to Line6. Years ago I said that all looping devices had at least one unique desirable feature and were all inexplicably missing at least one other feature (feedback control was the usual candidate). Multi-effects units seem to be the same way, and Lexicon/Roland/Rocktron/Yamaha units I've used all suffer from the same "Why didn't they do THAT?!" issue. Bear in mind that the audience for these things tend to be conventional "non-experimental" (heh) musicians, who typically want to replicate a wide variety of already recorded tones or produce variations on those tones. The old "80/20" rule of business applies here. TH On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Hi Bill, > > thanks for that lengthy report on the M13. > > I find it interesting (and this is also in line with a lot of your > findings) that Line6 seems to have a really odd strategy when defining > their products, in so much that they always give you about 85% of the > features you long for (and a few extra ones as well), but then leave a > few really important ones uncovered. ------=_Part_35785_20963691.1226245745299 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't think this is particular to Line6. 

Years ago I said that all looping devices had at least one unique desirable feature and were all inexplicably missing at least one other feature (feedback control was the usual candidate). 

Multi-effects units seem to be the same way, and Lexicon/Roland/Rocktron/Yamaha units I've used all suffer from the same "Why didn't they do THAT?!" issue.  Bear in mind that the audience for these things tend to be conventional "non-experimental" (heh) musicians, who typically want to replicate a wide variety of already recorded tones or produce variations on those tones.  The old "80/20" rule of business applies here.

TH

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi Bill,

thanks for that lengthy report on the M13.

I find it interesting (and this is also in line with a lot of your
findings) that Line6 seems to have a really odd strategy when defining
their products, in so much that they always give you about 85% of the
features you long for (and a few extra ones as well), but then leave a
few really important ones uncovered.

------=_Part_35785_20963691.1226245745299-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 16:24:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E058A3BE93; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <60A5685E-6A17-4CED-86BB-7C16CCE4B841@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811090411n39092b7dvbeaba2c0d4fe747@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 08:24:02 -0800 References: <66f9cc1e0811090411n39092b7dvbeaba2c0d4fe747@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:07 +0000 (UTC) FCExpress is very capable, does almost everything that FCP does (editing, layers, generators, color correction, keyboard shortcuts, FxPlug access are all virtually identical), for only $200; includes Livetype, imports iMovie projects. You'll never look back. dc On Nov 9, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'd love to get into FCP, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 16:24:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ADA73BE88; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49170ED6.8040702@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 08:24:54 -0800 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: K-Bow References: <00b701c8f097$ac5bbb80$0300000a@ERDEMOLD> <20080728151452.139370@gmx.net> <006c01c8f161$0cc57cd0$0300000a@ERDEMOLD> <488F0D87.9040809@tiscali.co.uk> <488FE32F.8080501@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Peeps may find this interesting - "a Bluetooth-enabled sensor bow that detects and translates bow technique and movement into control signals capable of producing an unprecedented level of expression from synthesizers, audio processors , or any other computer-based art form". http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2008/11/07/play-a-synth-from-your-violin/ Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 17:18:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F6E3BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: New CD Releas: Kribophoric "Visceral II" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:18:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C94254.862B98E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2008 17:18:37.0967 (UTC) FILETIME=[3429A1F0:01C9428F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:18:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C94254.862B98E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am excited to announce my second release with my friend and = percussionist, Robert Sterling, from Ventura, CA.=20 KRIBOPHORIC - "VISCERAL II" BUY: http://www.papercutsrecords.com/Kribophoric.html More information: http://www.kribophoric.com Listen to sample MP3s or Buy MP3s individually: = http://www.kribophoric.com/index.cfm?CFID=3D128224693&CFTOKEN=3D29820697 SONG LIST Dance of the Electric Eels [4:55] =20 Figments of Time [5:42] Confrontations [7:17] Despicable! 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Bob used a number of acoustic and electronic = devices to=20 fulfill his artistic intents, from acoustic and electronic drums to = effect units,=20 samplers, his voice, mini synths, and even small objects like plastic = straws and=20 twist ties. Krispen's instruments included mini electric and nylon = string guitars,=20 nylon string guitar, voice and laptop computer. Bob and Kris continue to = collaborate this way and intend to release more CDs of their music on a = periodic=20 basis in the future. Their first CD, "Kribophoric-Visceral," will be = premiered at the=20 2008 Boise Experimental Music Festival (BEMF 3) and will be available = from the=20 Paper Cuts Records website. KRIBOPHORIC KRISPEN HARTUNG: Mini electric guitar, mini nylon string guitar, nylon = string=20 guitar, voice, laptop computer (max-MSP, Reaktor) BOB STERLING: electronic and acoustic drums, misc hand percussion, = voice, looping devices, FX, synth, plastic straws and twist ties, and other = found objects ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C94254.862B98E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am excited to announce my second = release=20 with my friend and percussionist, Robert Sterling, from Ventura, CA.=20
 
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Figments of Time=20 [5:42]
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Freak Gene Dance=20 [6:21]  
Microworlds [7:01] 
Giant Slots in = Hyperspace=20 [3:45]   
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Small Hairy=20 Things [7:51] 
 
This CD represents the culmination of a = six-month=20 collaboration between
drummer/percussionist Bob Sterling and = electro-acoustic=20 guitar player Krispen
Hartung. Spontaneously improvised files = were=20 exchanged on-line, each player
then responding to the = previously=20 recorded material. Sometimes just two tracks
were ultimately = utilized,=20 while at other times several tracks were layered via
further=20 improvisations and then mixed in order to better balance the sound. The = spirit of the CD lies in it spontaneity, each artist attempting to = 'get=20 into the creative
head' of the other in order to develop = compositions=20 that reflect a mood, a setting,
or an implied situation. Bob = used a=20 number of acoustic and electronic devices to
fulfill his = artistic=20 intents, from acoustic and electronic drums to effect units,
samplers,=20 his voice, mini synths, and even small objects like plastic straws and = twist ties. Krispen's instruments included mini electric and nylon = string=20 guitars,
nylon string guitar, voice and laptop computer. Bob = and Kris=20 continue to
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basis in the future. Their first CD,=20 "Kribophoric-Visceral," will be premiered at the
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KRIBOPHORIC

KRISPEN HARTUNG: = Mini=20 electric guitar, mini nylon string guitar, nylon string
guitar, = voice,=20 laptop computer (max-MSP, Reaktor)

BOB STERLING: electronic and = acoustic=20 drums, misc hand percussion, voice,
looping devices, FX, synth, = plastic=20 straws and twist ties, and other found objects
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C94254.862B98E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 17:51:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 624013BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Presonus FP10 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:51:54 +0100 Message-ID: <007a01c94293$dadc0d90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclCk9omHrKCK/4OTdGMT6G4JRiHDg== X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.29; VDF: 7.1.0.55) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:51:59 +0000 (UTC) does anyone use a Presonus FP10 with Vista? successfully? it seems to suddenly stop the sound after a while for no apparent reason. Apparently other users have the same problem, judging from the Presonus forum. Of course, no solution yet. Argh. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 18:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AF403BE90; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:02:52 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811071337xe5ae5bck95d859c035a8f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081109180252.252310@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> <41873.24092.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811071133y6a7cb304q859330bd77b46a75@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811071337xe5ae5bck95d859c035a8f4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+/vHhCG7G/yATwXpzLIOK5M1InROhpboxw+PlEnR kPmhDemSnsJm8o4iFy+b0DfWxUuT06aycxbA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 9BckfeUrX1V6dJ12l2ByLT1/SDc4NEzj X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:02:55 +0000 (UTC) > > "always use color cables" > Red is the fastest! Yeah, I heard there is this special Customizer in California. He's making custom orange cables - they have the best latency! Buzap ;-) -- "Feel free" - 10 GB Mailbox, 100 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX TopMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/topmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 18:37:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 181A53BE90; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'andy butler'" , References: <4916BE58.2090908@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:37:52 -0800 Message-ID: <068B7954D9604FFCBCC9DD0F04988795@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <4916BE58.2090908@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AclCkzDpUFt2QKtOQhGQyQ6rFur8rwAAy0iA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 18:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Andy, how's the better half? Lovely Now in answer to your questions. I have been using a Duncan Twin Tube for the last couple of years. It was actually a wedding gift to me from the former sales manager at Seymour Duncan who I have developed a relationship though some beta test work I did for them, and NAMM demoing when Duncan launched is DTAR company with Rick Turner a few years back.. Really great people at Duncan , Cathy Duncan is a lovely woman and very down to earth. Seymour is a pickup God and they have a great design team. The Twin Tube uses two 6021 subminiature tubes running at high voltage. It has great dynamic range , two channels, and ranges from clean boost to crunch, to all out Gilmour style distortion wail. It doesn't do extreme metal distortion, they have a Twin Tube Mayhem pedal for that. I've owned many overdrives. Tube screamers, Koln centaurs, early chandler tube drivers Keeley modified pedals, full tone overdrives etc.. What I like about this pedal is it doesn't exaggerate the mid range response or sacrifice any low end or top end to do so. It cleans up very nicely when backing the volume knob off, is very touch responsive and most importantly is sounds great while giving me two extremely flexible channels. Its versatility allowed me to pair down my stomp box board to just on overdrive pedal. If it has any draw backs it would be the slight bit of microphonic pinging that happens when I switch it on and off, but this is not something you can hear while playing the unit, no matter how much gain you are pushing. Also it needs its own 15 volt power supply so it can't be operated by any multiple power supplies like the Voodoo labs pedal power. This doesn't really bother me as the pedal sounds so good. As far as the M-13 goes, you can set it to behave like any other device with a conventional save function or you can use the auto save function like I do. Because each effect you are using at a given time can be tweaked by the corresponding knobs, it is so easy to tweak parameters on the fly that I don't worry about loosing a preset in this way. At any given time each effect has only 5 parameter control knobs for tweaking so it's not like you would have trouble reconstructing your setting if lost, or needing to page through a long list of parameter functions. This thing is "Chimp" simple. The reason I don't redirect to the list is I do like to respond sometimes off list to people personally and from the last bit of shit I stirred up with my, what I thought where off list comments, came back to bite me in the arse. Do you feel me brother??? Bill -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:41 AM To: LD Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers Thanks Bill, great review, I 'd guess that most guitarists don't use an expression ped because it breaks the "maximum of 3 knobs and an on/off switch" rule. William Walker wrote: > musical sounding interaction with common analog stomp boxes. I have a > favorite overdrive that I wanted to integrate with the M-13. I first which overdrive is that?...please tell :-) > save functions, as the M-13 remembers each knob tweak without having to > perform a save. This is very handy when you have to quickly change a > parameter in performance. does that also mean that you lose the preset you saved if you experiment with it? andy butler ps you might like to edit the field in your email software, at the moment, anyone who replies to your list mail will send just to you, and not to the list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:00:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEC4B3BE8E; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=lrBKJXOVv7gHMQCbc9BdJQ1t4x6N/xtxYlUx6hwbUFXCNYvA98bjBxDAonfJRWlf55BPPnRYmW9ptjJ/CsEwqcOWF76ZSEFQma8HwrtLojDSiDzGDcNgX8VvrUne/L/YsQ1RzLexeTg1srFAqyAqj0fpfny+yJ6afGpPvMCke/k=; X-YMail-OSG: Wdi5M7sVM1ki67HWK89Z3rcaeE.biCIv4pXoi9_1tDrTBnIONfV0HI13OcXlsvjkvQW3wLxmpXqhRYdgPb2p6U71I47jMVKESHlKxjQ00MOj72.xPRe2NVSbQWuNZUPpCKWikfXlagPw5bC5btmyNb5ryHo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:00:30 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, ive been checking out this new compact mixer http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ i am wondering if i could use it straight with mobius without having a soundcard in between by simply going USB,how would this differ from a firewire card like the presonus firebox in terms of latency? any experiences outhere? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 19:10:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 571DF3BEA0; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:09:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C9425B.B7254520" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclCnsIpyeC7XepDRuKlkj+ihLDi5g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 19:10:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C9425B.B7254520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm in agreement with what both Rainer and Travis commented on the somewhat arbitrary nature of product design among manufacturers. Travis' point about catering to more conventional musicians rings true for most companies, which is not to say that the companies aren't listening to more outside the box players. I would not be surprised if, for example, Adrian belew had some design input on the VG-99. I'm just speculating of course. I know that Line 6 does listen to pros in the industry and welcome feedback. To me they are more open to this than most companies. I have friends who are industry pros down in LA that Line 6 calls upon for beta testing and feedback and also to borrow some of the cool effects they model. I believe my friend Lyle Workman loaned them is Tri stereo chorus and foxx distortion for cloning, he gets a thank you in the manual. Let's face it guys, us fringe dwellers have deeper needs than more conventional musicians :-) I do know that Line 6 endorsement artist seem to have some clout, but I think if you really want to make your self heard you need to start blogging on the various forum sites these companies have. Also Rainer, the routing scheme on this box, though not nearly as sophisticated as that cool old sony box you have, does allow you to run any effect in any order and also has some cool delay patches with a wet/dry routing scheme, No series parallel capability but definitely an easy way to put effects in unconventional arrangements. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C9425B.B7254520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I’m in agreement with what both Rainer = and Travis commented on the somewhat arbitrary nature of product design = among manufacturers.  Travis’ point about catering to more = conventional musicians rings true for most companies, which is not to say that the = companies aren’t listening to more outside the box players. I would not be = surprised if, for example, Adrian belew had some design input on the VG-99. I’m  just = speculating of course. I know that Line 6 does listen to pros in the industry and = welcome feedback. To me they are more open to this than most companies.  I = have friends who are industry pros down in LA that Line 6 calls upon for beta testing and feedback and also to borrow some of the cool effects they = model. I believe my friend Lyle Workman loaned them is Tri stereo chorus and foxx = distortion  for cloning, he gets a thank you in the manual. Let’s face = it guys, us fringe  dwellers have deeper needs than more conventional = musicians J  I do know that Line 6 endorsement artist  seem to have some clout, but I = think if you really want to make your self heard you need to start blogging on = the various forum sites these companies have.  Also Rainer, the routing = scheme on this box, though not nearly as sophisticated as that cool old sony = box you have, does allow you to run any effect in any order and also has some = cool delay patches with a wet/dry routing scheme, No series parallel = capability but definitely an easy way to put effects in unconventional = arrangements.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C9425B.B7254520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F883BE90; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: , References: Subject: RE: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:01:44 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C94262.F298ACD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclCo13xDrlLED8TR6mWsO9iEzPENQAAMSsg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:01:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C94262.F298ACD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Absolutely not!!!!!! but seriously, asking me to talk about gear is like asking a pot head if he wants a free ounce! Ok, the looper has a normal speed maximum loop length of 30 seconds and a full minute at half speed, it has dedicated foot switches for record/overdub, play/stop, half speed, reverse, undo, and play once. You can use only one of the two expression pedals to control looper parameters so you cannot for example support loop level and overdub level(feedback) on separate pedals, Also real time feedback reduction can only happen in overdub mode not in play mode. According to Teddy Kumpel, you can access CC's via the midi port but they are redundant controls so you can't add additional expression pedals though midi. It's an either or choice of using the expression pedal jacks or CC via midi. Still having a dedicated exp for looper parameters, I double up loop level and overdub level on one pedal, and a dedicated Exp pedal for effects parameters gives a tremendous amount of flexibility. I should also mention that the undo function strips away only the last over dub, but this feature alone makes it way more versatile than the DL-4. Bill _____ From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:44 AM To: billwalker@baymoon.com Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of whining) billy bob.....could you speak to the looping capabilities of the M-13 if indeed there are any.....m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=htt p://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=emlcn tussear00000001) ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C94262.F298ACD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Absolutely not!!!!!! but seriously, = asking me to talk about gear is like asking a pot head if he wants a free = ounce!

 Ok, the looper has a normal = speed maximum loop length of 30 seconds and a full minute at half speed, =  it has dedicated foot switches for record/overdub, play/stop, half speed, = reverse, undo, and play once. You can use only one of the two expression pedals = to control looper parameters so you cannot for example support loop level = and overdub level(feedback)  on separate pedals, Also real time = feedback reduction can only happen in overdub mode not in play mode. According to = Teddy Kumpel, you can access CC’s via the midi port but they are = redundant controls so you can’t add additional expression pedals though = midi. It’s an either or choice of using the expression pedal jacks or CC via midi. = Still having a dedicated exp for looper parameters, I double up loop level and overdub level on one pedal, and a dedicated Exp pedal for effects = parameters gives a tremendous amount of flexibility. I should also mention that the = undo function strips away only the last over dub, but this feature alone = makes it way more versatile than the DL-4.

 Bill<= /p>

 

From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, November = 09, 2008 11:44 AM
To: billwalker@baymoon.com
Subject: Re: Line 6 M-13 = and continuos controllers - and Line6 products in general (a little bit of = whining)

 

billy bob.....could you speak to = the looping capabilities of the M-13 if indeed there are any.....m



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C94262.F298ACD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B350D3BE90; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1308 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:19:32 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-992843235 From: info at zoekeating Subject: check out the KBow! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:57:42 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: abe35f69-ae98-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVUfTQRGRpo UEhBUlNbHgBvCxgC SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM SzQSQwxHZWVobGYY HkNedQoaIVEffRoT bFliBSYEaXgGZy40 WgY+NDt0ZW0GeHsM T1BWdVxOV00LEzU/ DxcfAX0zHUBNZA80 MFVO X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:19:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-992843235 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Wow, I just heard about the KBow. "The K-Bow is a sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a standard violin, bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional instrumentalists to seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that a computer provides, while utilizing the virtuosity built from years of practice. The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through several sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt sensor, playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture recognition. A suite of software lets a musician control the sound of the instrument, record with herself, or send the information to other standard music software." Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to loop. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ --Apple-Mail-1-992843235 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Wow, I just heard about the = KBow.

"The K-Bow is a = sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a standard violin, = bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional instrumentalists to = seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that a computer provides, = while utilizing the virtuosity built from years of = practice.

The K-Bow gathers information about a = performance through several sensors including an X Y and Z axis = accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt sensor, playing pressure, distance from = the instrument and gesture recognition. A suite of software lets a = musician control the sound of the instrument, record with herself, or = send the information to other standard music software."


Watch the 2nd video = on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to loop.
= --Apple-Mail-1-992843235-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:29:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E90DD3BEA9; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081109202919109.1AADD80000B1@mwinf2f02.orange.fr Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-994738693 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: check out the KBow! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:29:18 +0100 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:29:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-994738693 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now if we could just get something like that worked out for a flatpick... On Nov 9, 2008, at 8:57 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > Wow, I just heard about the KBow. > > "The K-Bow is a sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a > standard violin, bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional > instrumentalists to seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that > a computer provides, while utilizing the virtuosity built from years > of practice. > > The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through several > sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt > sensor, playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture > recognition. A suite of software lets a musician control the sound > of the instrument, record with herself, or send the information to > other standard music software." > > > Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to > loop. > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ --Apple-Mail-8-994738693 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now if we could just get = something like that worked out for a flatpick...

On = Nov 9, 2008, at 8:57 PM, info at zoekeating wrote:

Wow, I just heard about the = KBow.

"The K-Bow is a = sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a standard violin, = bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional instrumentalists to = seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that a computer provides, = while utilizing the virtuosity built from years of = practice.

The K-Bow gathers information about a = performance through several sensors including an X Y and Z axis = accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt sensor, playing pressure, distance from = the instrument and gesture recognition. A suite of software lets a = musician control the sound of the instrument, record with herself, or = send the information to other standard music software."


Watch the 2nd video = on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to loop.

= --Apple-Mail-8-994738693-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:42:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B308C3BEAE; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:42:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=E64v7D9ALQMr1rhrEMnk2zKLsIocbxSwWQ15nO1Nxndbg+5dkzF3zvsA6AwBLVkRbxT0rBOsAsbtJU2stlofqp/Rn8nlQHobBQT4TsQiC5Ten5vHVL3BSPnn5ftzQM2i5XgthhrUWLX3Fmzwox/gU3jLF6V23KcWAx4QsRkNKII= ; X-YMail-OSG: M7G89a0VM1nK3s1ZZj_kKZ4yPwLzWbxCJ.KjMwkYUIHmrTjwafhKG7Ie0V92LmVFpwexSLzEV5sk3UMZgXNzPa_KzpcKK4HKJ_QHQZDNbv4tDl2Y09uT0CF5pw0zvLcWepI3_6VyDPFd7mMCE0XlO9BBy3kSZbHTM8mA9U75NaPR01Dy879Lw6S51Y8- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002501c942ab$c42e9dc0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: Subject: Re: check out the KBow! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:43:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C942AB.C3960740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:42:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C942AB.C3960740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Zoe, Did you receive my email with regard to the interview? Thanks, Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: info at zoekeating=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: check out the KBow! Wow, I just heard about the KBow. "The K-Bow is a sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a = standard violin, bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional = instrumentalists to seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that a = computer provides, while utilizing the virtuosity built from years of = practice. The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through several = sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt = sensor, playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture = recognition. A suite of software lets a musician control the sound of = the instrument, record with herself, or send the information to other = standard music software." Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to = loop. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG.=20 Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1777 - Release Date: = 09/11/2008 09:53 ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C942AB.C3960740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Did you receive my email with regard to = the=20 interview?
 
Thanks,
 
Ricky
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Subject: check out the = KBow!

Wow, I just heard about the KBow.

"The K-Bow is a = sensor bow=20 for stringed instruments. Combined with a standard violin, bass, = cello, or=20 viola the K-Bow allows traditional instrumentalists to seamlessly = access the=20 unlimited sound world that a computer provides, while utilizing the = virtuosity=20 built from years of practice.

The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through = several=20 sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt = sensor,=20 playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture = recognition. A=20 suite of software lets a musician control the sound of the instrument, = record=20 with herself, or send the information to other standard music=20 software."


Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow = to=20 loop.
http://www.keithmcmillen.com/

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------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C942AB.C3960740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:47:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27873BEB2; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <8CE944CC-F9F8-4981-BD62-F8FCB1AEE026@gmail.com> Subject: Re: iPhone Music Apps Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:29:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9426F.20324BE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2008 20:47:20.0362 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C1778A0:01C942AC] Resent-Message-ID: <9IwImB.A.sPH.Zx0FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9426F.20324BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent. I am purchasing Noise.io right now. It looks awesome. I also = just bought an adaptor so that I can hook my iPhone up to my computer = and integrate it into my music performances. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Noise.io=20 BeatMaker=20 Touch OSC iTM Midi Apps (All of them) Mrmr RjDj And for something a bit toyish yet still fun and interesting try: MiniSynth Ocarina On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!! I am = amazed. Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his face). = turned me on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch screen music = making apps that will actually create music on its own.=20 Anyone have any favorites? I found one that will record and play = back everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really like is a basic = looper. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9426F.20324BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Excellent. I am purchasing Noise.io = right now. It=20 looks awesome. I also just bought an adaptor so that I can hook my = iPhone up to=20 my computer and integrate it into my music performances.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

Noise.io 
BeatMaker 
Touch OSC
iTM Midi Apps (All of them)
Mrmr
RjDj

And for something a bit toyish yet still fun and interesting = try:

MiniSynth
Ocarina



On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
I recently discovered the world of = iPhone apps.=20 Wow!!!   I am amazed.  Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall = his=20 name, but I know his face). turned me on to Bloom, by Brian Eno. = Cool=20 little, touch screen music making apps that will actually create = music on=20 its own. 
 
Anyone have any favorites? I found = one that=20 will record and play back everything from 10 seconds ago, but I = would really=20 like is a basic looper.
 
Kris
 
=
 

------=_NextPart_000_0090_01C9426F.20324BE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 20:59:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0774B3BEA6; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 749 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:59:04 UTC In-Reply-To: <002501c942ab$c42e9dc0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> References: <002501c942ab$c42e9dc0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-995772426 Message-Id: <534034EB-2659-4267-B3D8-47A0D4613C2D@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: check out the KBow! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 12:46:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 7e172432-ae9f-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwVUfTQRGRpo UEhBUlBSHgFuCx8D SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM SzUPcy9/ZWNlaWMY HkJQcAsad1ZLeR1B aVJiBSYEN3gGZy40 WgY+NDt0ZW0GeHsM T1BWdVxOV3wGTHY3 Rx0JHn0oAFFNWyU+ Zz8MLUFVdDYz X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 20:59:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-995772426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hey ricky! i did indeed. tell me, how pressing is your interview schedule? any chance i can do it in a couple weeks instead? you've got a lot of big questions and i'm not sure i can get in the headspace to answer them properly over the next 36 hrs. best, zoe On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Zoe, > > Did you receive my email with regard to the interview? > > Thanks, > > Ricky --Apple-Mail-1-995772426 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 hey ricky!
i did indeed.
tell me, how pressing is your = interview schedule? any chance i can do it in a couple weeks = instead?
you've got a lot of big questions and i'm not sure i = can get in the headspace to answer them properly over the next 36 = hrs.

best, zoe

On Nov = 9, 2008, at 12:43 PM, Ricky Graham wrote:

Hi Zoe,
=A0
Did you = receive my email with regard to the interview?
=A0
Thanks,
=A0
Ricky

= --Apple-Mail-1-995772426-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 21:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C8023BEAF; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KLosTSG32kDftk09Y1hfLpQriA8hrE4mBJv0VYQ0F0Q=; b=kSN4Vvy7El/Wxa5TKeDTPK5iVVWkqtECXhYena/ikhZCA7HcP9qx6Zp2Xi6ApTk4eR aA1yBK7cVMkDOBsnJCaRMUhQnxC4FvkoHRdNpi1PmduXNcZ3rEnjyZ36efju7xE2YX7y B8PqvGd17f6Trh3Ry18slQ0sDq0Bm0kMApUbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lI/ISAr8X9GgdOzv5WvsuroTMw4/jzGAwc7u9yM6gfOWyFvNkdflYATlLcTsricOti GYIhgcTQ6Iik+zlHjdQ2AYwy8E0rcNrMEKBg4R4PKRl1EtxGgOFcGsrjDvYcUw/09YCt KADZ6APXBDSvRzIi/CKUvj5JP2Esc1KQdI0mo= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811091304p54cff6d5s53fc6127b17e5ffa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:04:04 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Fwd: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811091301p252fad9cm94b053090bc3490d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811091301p252fad9cm94b053090bc3490d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_PPuBB.A.x-H.EB1FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Luis, didn't someone already ask you today to adjust your email client? I didn't double and my list reply went to your private address ;-)) That's why I'm forwarding this to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Per Boysen Date: Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb To: labaloops@yahoo.com On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:00 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > ive been checking out this new compact mixer > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ > i am wondering if i could use it straight with mobius without having a so= undcard in between by simply going USB,how would this differ from a firewir= e card like the presonus firebox in terms of latency? any experiences outhe= re? > cheers > Luis I have no experience with this particular piece of gear, since it's new on the market, but well some experience with reading product presentations ;-)) The question is how well you can specify on the mixer what tracks to send into the computer and what tracks to send directly to the PA. If this option exists you don't really have to think about latency because you can simply not send your latency vulnerable direct live signal through the whole computer. Rather send it directly out to house PA and snag an effect send bus to go into the computer (with Mobius in your case). Set Mobius to "not monitor input", since you're already monitoring input on the mixer. This means only looped audio will circulate inside Mobius and then Mobius latency compensation will take care of that for you. Well, ok.... the text did not tell about this, although saying twice that "the full mix" can be sent into a computer. However, it says that at the same time a dedicated stream from the computer can go back into the mixer. At least this means that it's talking both ways through the USB port. So, I will have to spend another minute on this then... let's see (donwloading the PDF manual).... Here! The PDF manual says: 5. USB PORT The USB serial I/O interface allows you to transfer digital audio to and from your computer. The interface provides two audio outputs to your computer: =95 Main mix output, left and right. These output signals are independent of any adjustments made to the main fader [48] and graphic EQ [37]. This allows you to easily record your live performance directly to your laptop. =95 The USB thru switch [41] allows you to also include the output from your computer in your recording. See page 23 for more details of this switch. The USB interface also lets you use your computer to playback two channels into the mixer: =95 Left and right signals from your computer are added to the main mix. The USB input level control [40] allows you to adjust the level of the incoming audio from your computer being added to the main mix. See Appendix D on page 32 for more USB details, and also check out the block diagram on page 31. " Well, that didn't answer the question, so let's go to page 32 then, where we find these good news: =95 Make sure that the DAW's input meters show 2. Make sure the USB thru switch [41] is not pressed in. This will ensure that during each recording pass, the audio software only receives the track-in-progress as an audio signal, and not the pre-existing mix from the computer as well. So, this means that with that button [41] on the mixer not pressed in, you may send your mixer input channel only to the mixer while receiving back two channels (Mobius loops summed output) from the laptop. I take it for understood that there is a way to balance the monitoring of the input and the background and this monitor mix is what you should send to the house PA when using this mixer as the sound card for live looping (seems to be the headphones output). I might be wrong, just scanning the manual on the fly here. Anyway, try it before you buy it ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 21:21:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7BF3BE91; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [97.121.26.27] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: , Subject: The Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival is on Facebook! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 14:21:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94276.67618BF0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2008 21:21:08.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[15230130:01C942B1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:21:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94276.67618BF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival is on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boise-Creative-and-Improvised-Music-Festiva= l/37918746335?ref=3Dnf Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94276.67618BF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The Boise Creative and Improvised Music Festival is on=20 Facebook

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Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94276.67618BF0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 9 21:30:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D9213BEA0; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:30:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xtCT9hmyWkF8SrgSrLRK6H2r53xbICTE0pari+gM7A4=; b=aN1bFtrS9Ej901vAxoMktvrhfPeu8luFNrNBRavGA6CH8RJK5LuZV+tt/kzwte4tvr DsKOUpg5ggQoqICwLnzjE0W24waXBA1itKJk2sgeoPe/6c8+0721tyM45FhY6fiBY18Q 4sCK7/qpWW5gwlR7jZiCwxHigZxMtzHNeKBOs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=yE/fqCg/fRk+D0JDRzwwAMpYvGNjDttGL6d3c4cIQVe5ysG3xQa6HjEVuVQqL92iGO /E0hb8AI2xoRZyI/vkcaX5Of6U+vQjS51mpBS2TlR2rhyYiugeF7f8K4viqgaqoWjXf9 OyN3cmuYW+X/J38LDnSRDpR1vN3BXNk2EQ1bs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811091330n5656ddb9ua5850a47beca417@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:30:49 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: check out the KBow! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:30:50 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to loop. > http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ It seems to trig accurately. But the video demonstrations of Filter Sweeps was a bit odd. Did anyone understand that one? I really couldn't make out in what way he did play the filter sweeps? Musically it sounds more as if he is not controlling the filter sweeps at all, from what I could tell by watching his moves on the instrument. doc rossi to Loopers-Delight > Now if we could just get something like that worked out for a flatpick... That would mean mounting the sensors of the bow on your right hand to measure your pick movements. I think I've seen some product like that... a kind of "electronic sensor wrist bracelet". -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From anonymous@tdi02.talondigital.com Sun Nov 9 23:12:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 18987 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:12:27 UTC Received: from tdi02.talondigital.com (tdi02.talondigital.com [216.40.213.49]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4DE3BE8B for ; Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9428 invoked by uid 48); 9 Nov 2008 09:13:35 -0500 Date: 9 Nov 2008 09:13:35 -0500 Message-ID: <20081109141335.9423.qmail@tdi02.talondigital.com> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Veuillez rétablir l'accès à votre compte. From: Paypal Reply-To: Paypal@service.fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Document sans nom
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 00:20:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6B043BE90; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <42702A0856474D96A93843C4DCDFB747@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: check out the KBow! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:15 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0124FEB600095401250003 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C942CA.1AF72000" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:20:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C942CA.1AF72000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While an eBow player I've never played a traditionally-bowed instrument = like the violin... but the item that sticks out for me is the = stroke-in-the-air that Janos Negyesy does, apparently a signal to the = looper he's using to close the loop. It would be so much easier to be = able to just tap a sensor on the guitar's fingerboard for that... Does = anyone make a wireless switch/pad like that yet? ----- Original Message -----=20 From: info at zoekeating=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 7:57 PM Subject: check out the KBow! Wow, I just heard about the KBow. "The K-Bow is a sensor bow for stringed instruments. Combined with a = standard violin, bass, cello, or viola the K-Bow allows traditional = instrumentalists to seamlessly access the unlimited sound world that a = computer provides, while utilizing the virtuosity built from years of = practice. The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through several = sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt = sensor, playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture = recognition. A suite of software lets a musician control the sound of = the instrument, record with herself, or send the information to other = standard music software." Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow to = loop. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C942CA.1AF72000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While an eBow player I've never played a = traditionally-bowed=20 instrument like the violin... but the item that sticks out for me is the = stroke-in-the-air that Janos Negyesy does, apparently a signal to the = looper=20 he's using to close the loop.  It would be so much easier to be = able to=20 just tap a sensor on the guitar's fingerboard for that... Does anyone = make a=20 wireless switch/pad like that yet?
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 info at=20 zoekeating
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 = 7:57=20 PM
Subject: check out the = KBow!

Wow, I just heard about the KBow.

"The K-Bow is a = sensor bow=20 for stringed instruments. Combined with a standard violin, bass, = cello, or=20 viola the K-Bow allows traditional instrumentalists to seamlessly = access the=20 unlimited sound world that a computer provides, while utilizing the = virtuosity=20 built from years of practice.

The K-Bow gathers information about a performance through = several=20 sensors including an X Y and Z axis accelerometer, grip sensor, tilt = sensor,=20 playing pressure, distance from the instrument and gesture = recognition. A=20 suite of software lets a musician control the sound of the instrument, = record=20 with herself, or send the information to other standard music=20 software."


Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow = to=20 loop.
http://www.keithmcmillen.com/
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C942CA.1AF72000-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 00:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F9C13BEA6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=iBB2hRwbntCK2fGA/7HML/ehA3fkt874v+/qs4bPvP4=; b=FS98n3Qkej/objy0UuMe4705g7kKnSmSthPnjF7dX7gdmDoymOpkjb1H4V5mF9Abph 8lGy+hRIHHyiKdCOoNI5tsoFXJN4316Ki9Np8N1NoJ9oHYHox+IIeGNBlfTBqDXFlwzS sb5aO2amA1E9Xqi40eI28sajMmcoQrw+WgjGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UrAYPetHBBzTfIo7dUsagddMRI/rgtVPd+BBGxxmHfwiWfecKhhQqDZAb1ddBXVgF0 YDMpw13krAfHPDsiM9M/DM27i8WLCyFJMmaxFRi1Zw3klVllrCwR3CO6eH8zgL/bequp 94q1CWNnFZCPYG8V+Uk8mZyswA9zwKDH3XBus= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 16:28:04 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: iPhone Music Apps In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8CE944CC-F9F8-4981-BD62-F8FCB1AEE026@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 828f82a03e16d15f Resent-Message-ID: <4mha8C.A.5K.WA4FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:28:06 +0000 (UTC) i'm a big fan of beatmaker and noise.io. the amount of features in noise.io is astounding. iTM midi apps are also fantastic for controlling remotely. On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Excellent. I am purchasing Noise.io right now. It looks awesome. I also just > bought an adaptor so that I can hook my iPhone up to my computer and > integrate it into my music performances. > > Kris > > > ----- Original Message ----- > Noise.io > BeatMaker > Touch OSC > iTM Midi Apps (All of them) > Mrmr > RjDj > And for something a bit toyish yet still fun and interesting try: > MiniSynth > Ocarina > > > On Nov 9, 2008, at 12:30 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > I recently discovered the world of iPhone apps. Wow!!! I am amazed. > Someone at Y2K8 (can't recall his name, but I know his face). turned me on > to Bloom, by Brian Eno. Cool little, touch screen music making apps that > will actually create music on its own. > > Anyone have any favorites? I found one that will record and play back > everything from 10 seconds ago, but I would really like is a basic looper. > > Kris > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 01:25:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCAB03BE91; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: check out the KBow! Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 17:25:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C94290.28698E60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclC0zNmgBOp9b+jSc6S31qdgkPDlA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3AvJC.A.kFC.G24FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:25:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C94290.28698E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is cool. For guitarist as well as bow players these two Hot Hand products do the same thing (Parameter control) though thru the midi protocol not blue tooth, and therefore a bit more accessible to most guitarist as the infra red device is worn as a finger ring, and the pedal sends midi data to your host effects unit, looper, or computer http://www.sourceaudio.net/products/hothand/midi_exp.php , and the finger device http://www.sourceaudio.net/products/hothand/wireless_adapter.php. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C94290.28698E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 This is = cool…

 For guitarist as well as bow players =  these two Hot Hand  products do the same thing (Parameter control) though thru the midi protocol not = blue tooth, and therefore a bit more accessible to most  guitarist as the infra = red device is worn as a finger ring,  and the pedal sends midi data to your = host effects unit, looper,  or computer http://= www.sourceaudio.net/products/hothand/midi_exp.php , and the finger device http://www.sourceaudio.net/products/hothand/wireless_adapter.php.

 Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C94290.28698E60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 03:03:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC7443BEA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> Cc: Loopers Delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 21:03:05 -0600 To: labaloops@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc123.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:03:17 +0000 (UTC) From what I've read in the manual, yes you should be able to use this with Mobius without a sound card. In addition to being a mixer, it is also a 2 in 2 out USB audio interface. The difference between this and most other multi-channel audio interfaces is that you can only send to the computer a stereo mix of all of the mixer inputs. The Firebox for example has 6 inputs that are individually sent to the computer. The Mackie is nice if you prefer a hardware mixer and don't need to insert software effects on individual channels. With the Firebox you wold use a software mixer which is more flexible, but you have to deal with a mousey user interface. The Firebox also has 6 outputs so you could set up a surround output mix from the computer. The Mackie only has a single stereo pair of output channels from the computer. As far as latency, it all depends on how good Mackie is at writing device drivers. Since this is only a 2x2 interface I would expect latency to be as good or better than anything else out there. You don't need firewire for a 2x2, USB is fine. But this is relatively new and Mackie doesn't have a long history with audio interfaces, so I would check the forums to see if anyone is having problems. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 05:03:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0EDE83BE8F; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=0AteZK6agaptUuDcaKvwUxilt8M225EMKLSaDGuiUMI=; b=pRlwfLYYC2CO+2FMMoM4Fhya15bKIE6VKCObx8+3hn11+xbKqKpSs9q6oKlhFl8HDC xRaqsMcpl9k4q2/h0t5xnIVK1NHg7++OuL2fKqU5gFsRaZ+XYArU8oAvJTseNFrQj5qz XWOPdrlHjsWu43zZ5LXvV+cuEonKoGxFSOzkE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KEkixUBxZ0x9iUnOJFWreWT8r0gERJLVXR2ZS6jHEW7K7FOOnEgTJtesZe2njKftwk M0/T90XNShrT1v1XPLJ6Bmv5dRvehVhS7fhhGNlN0nHPDO30N/AYnakJnPvoRQqbbGmZ xBIbzaQDoW09rlMyXPkiLyjbutNeXfNkJLm0M= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811092103h76efd281o71f25eb6c3687627@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:03:12 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Slighty OT but some music some looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22217_21942817.1226293392664" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:03:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22217_21942817.1226293392664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There must be something in the water the last few days on LD as several folks around here are delving in or promoting their video involvement and so I follow suit. Over the last year I've been learning digital editing after doing it with 3/4 analog decks during the 80's and then got away from it till these binary days. Though several things done thusfar are showcases of performances I've been shooting off and on some ideas that are more documentary in scope. One to come is an expose on my neighborhood in Brooklyn but a current one that I'm putting out there involves the shooting of a video game tournament last March that I attended in support of my son on the release of the much-awaited Wii Brawl. That night I really got into the 'fan' interaction and the footage had remained to go through until this recent surge of interest which I partially credit to inspiration from Mark Francombe . So this piece on the Brawl evening is viewable at http://www.vimeo.com/2199917. I improvised the music live to the footage once I finished the editing (which was done in Premiere). It's two channels of my oud going through a Digitech distortion patch. The 2nd channel was a short loop I setup on the EHX 2880. I have a video/photo essay coming to the Vimeo page that I did on Y2K but am still awaiting permissions before posting publicly. There is a reworking of an earlier video we posted from the 5 Knaves evening this past August as well as a video on a cooking class I participated in this summer that the only tie here other than tortillas would be that the music is a Chinapainting piece. Thanks for looking if you look. Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_22217_21942817.1226293392664 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
There must be something in the water the last few days on LD as severa= l folks around here are delving in or promoting their video involvement and= so I follow suit.  Over the last year I've been learning digital = editing after doing it with 3/4 analog decks during the 80's and then g= ot away from it till these binary days.  Though several things done th= usfar are showcases of performances I've been shooting off and on = some ideas that are more documentary in scope.  One to come is an expo= se on my neighborhood in Brooklyn but a current one that I'm putting ou= t there involves the shooting of a video game tournament last March that I = attended in support of my son on the release of the much-awaited Wii Brawl.=   That night I really got into the 'fan' interaction and the f= ootage had remained to go through until this recent surge of interest which= I partially credit to inspiration from Mark Francombe.
 
So this piece on the Brawl evening is viewable at http://www.vimeo.com/2199917.&nb= sp; I improvised the music live to the footage once I finished the editing = (which was done in Premiere).  It's two channels of my oud going t= hrough a Digitech distortion patch.  The 2nd channel was a short loop = I setup on the EHX 2880.
 
I have a video/photo essay coming to the Vimeo page that I d= id on Y2K but am still awaiting permissions before posting publicly.  = There is a reworking of an earlier video we posted from the 5 Knaves evenin= g this past August as well as a video on a cooking class I participated in = this summer that the only tie here other than tortillas would be that the&n= bsp;music is a Chinapainting piece.
 
Thanks for looking if you look.
 
Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodi= n  - http= ://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodin= music
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space= -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.= com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars -= http://www.se= agullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc.= - http://www.melbay.c= om
------=_Part_22217_21942817.1226293392664-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 06:25:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13F603BEA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 22:22:18 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: <5Ll-UB.A.Wy.TP9FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:25:24 +0000 (UTC) Did I read the specs correctly? I can send two discrete channels out the USB interface, pre-fader/eq/etc? That would be so cool. Then I could record my performances cleanly for later mixing and mastering, AND have separate mixes for the house and monitor. For a solo guy, this could be a great tool. At 9:03 PM -0600 11/9/08, Jeffrey Larson wrote: >From what I've read in the manual, yes you should be able to use this >with Mobius without a sound card. In addition to being a mixer, it is >also a 2 in 2 out USB audio interface. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 07:58:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09ED3BE93; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> From: To: References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: semi-OT: Operating Systems Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:58:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <0bO15C.A.1BD.Bn-FJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:58:57 +0000 (UTC) I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In order from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would this esteemed group recommend? Thanks! ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.scribbledmusings.com www.myspace.com/michaelplishka www.myspace.com/bohdanovich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 08:03:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C167D3BEA6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vFlAAD0H5A220tlvvY26Pi1R2n1t4k8XbNKDlDetVuWavmlLkVN+BsdZEaViIYUdNeEFhQ2jX0cN2tR5xlApEfX1QEpse9N0qu8vrz5A0tL9BZX7K+cSh/n6aOmtLTA1oUX2yt8WMw/cw3DbehHIuMA/N4yEHP+8N8kiVCAjsLc=; X-YMail-OSG: zJN5apIVM1n_cpqpQEqEUlU7jqYB0P3pE1fMmTePQt4lj0xdi6GfNibXNYdjYe.NhV4nkxueptUd7ySvl2gc_fN0S7m_2zrOf4FHHSRFMSRCff1MsaYgrVhb6Tjw4cJIitOsKVSnsTACs0lm0iIhxIaVYS1wCHDKJ5pgeLUP7cOWw.A.jhQHAMWMyRp6ekdGDrhc69WT1FjNMtU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:03:01 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fwd: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811091304p54cff6d5s53fc6127b17e5ffa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <377719.84363.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:03:02 +0000 (UTC) No,not today,it was Andy butler asking Bill to do that;-) But yes ive been asked before to do this but some ask me to adjust my email= client to go to the list and not privately and some ask me to adjust it so= it doesnt go to the list because ive written them privately,so ive been ch= anging preferences back and forth;-) I think what i will have to do is if i write somebody privately i will have= to do it from another account and have this account definetly set to alway= s go to the list(this is what this account is for)so anyway fellows please = always check your headers if u want your email to go to me privately or wri= te me at louie.angulo@yahoo.com same thing happens to me with some peoples email on this list but now i alw= ays check the header because ive had the same situation in the past. Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Fwd: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb > To: "loopers-delight" > Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 1:04 PM > Luis, didn't someone already ask you today to adjust > your email > client? I didn't double and my list reply went to your > private address > ;-)) That's why I'm forwarding this to the list. >=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Per Boysen > Date: Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb > To: labaloops@yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:00 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Hi gang, > > ive been checking out this new compact mixer > > http://www.mackie.com/products/profx8/ > > i am wondering if i could use it straight with mobius > without having a soundcard in between by simply going > USB,how would this differ from a firewire card like the > presonus firebox in terms of latency? any experiences > outhere? > > cheers > > Luis >=20 >=20 > I have no experience with this particular piece of gear, > since it's > new on the market, but well some experience with reading > product > presentations ;-)) The question is how well you can > specify on the > mixer what tracks to send into the computer and what tracks > to send > directly to the PA. If this option exists you don't > really have to > think about latency because you can simply not send your > latency > vulnerable direct live signal through the whole computer. > Rather send > it directly out to house PA and snag an effect send bus to > go into the > computer (with Mobius in your case). Set Mobius to > "not monitor > input", since you're already monitoring input on > the mixer. This means > only looped audio will circulate inside Mobius and then > Mobius latency > compensation will take care of that for you. >=20 > Well, ok.... the text did not tell about this, although > saying twice > that "the full mix" can be sent into a computer. > However, it says that > at the same time a dedicated stream from the computer can > go back into > the mixer. At least this means that it's talking both > ways through the > USB port. So, I will have to spend another minute on this > then... > let's see (donwloading the PDF manual).... Here! The > PDF manual says: >=20 >=20 > 5. USB PORT > The USB serial I/O interface allows you to transfer > digital audio to and from your computer. > The interface provides two audio outputs to your > computer: > =E2=80=A2 Main mix output, left and right. These output > signals are independent of any adjustments > made to the main fader [48] and graphic EQ > [37]. This allows you to easily record your live > performance directly to your laptop. > =E2=80=A2 The USB thru switch [41] allows you to also > include the output from your computer in your > recording. See page 23 for more details of this > switch. > The USB interface also lets you use your computer to > playback two channels into the mixer: > =E2=80=A2 Left and right signals from your computer are > added to the main mix. The USB input level > control [40] allows you to adjust the level of > the incoming audio from your computer being > added to the main mix. > See Appendix D on page 32 for more USB details, and > also check out the block diagram on page 31. " >=20 > Well, that didn't answer the question, so let's go > to page 32 then, > where we find these good news: >=20 > =E2=80=A2 Make sure that the DAW's input meters show > 2. Make sure the USB thru switch [41] is not > pressed in. This will ensure that during each > recording pass, the audio software only receives > the track-in-progress as an audio signal, and > not the pre-existing mix from the computer as > well. >=20 > So, this means that with that button [41] on the mixer not > pressed in, > you may send your mixer input channel only to the mixer > while > receiving back two channels (Mobius loops summed output) > from the > laptop. I take it for understood that there is a way to > balance the > monitoring of the input and the background and this monitor > mix is > what you should send to the house PA when using this mixer > as the > sound card for live looping (seems to be the headphones > output). >=20 > I might be wrong, just scanning the manual on the fly here. > Anyway, > try it before you buy it ;-) >=20 > -- > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Greetings from Sweden >=20 > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 08:12:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 355DC3BEB9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=iceZiNlbVUYX7UgFoDPVHKQ3QiaGhJAvlL3+uD0uzntqRJEGyxBbPguWpdr4HVMrsKpb9U+slM9maSIZSnV9hFjL4pimOJuFTDNlwwuAOExjNSYAEPIe+6Xj6Us73a8YU39RBIdPo2SQG271Wh6+3dX5YXvgIZTpdIYog8JrzPA=; X-YMail-OSG: 9D_XZQQVM1k8gUBrbA4LyACoyLD6hw5q.BICsXa3wtsLjsTGCk5nNo5H6xBytwUNK_cQF5.srIDjx_csyhgjXWhyeYWBCDVn9b_8._PUWjkw44NTVPp_ZyiMqI1rD9GScutVEt0uxWacJI7z9RCsY9Au6rgIrONzcP3mr1dweK7xS8eSlpK2jSst6wnP9IID7hfm1A12TihtXyE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:12:24 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: labaloops@yahoo.com Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <51693.60542.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 08:12:26 +0000 (UTC) yes,this is precisely what i want it for,solo gigs, id like to connect different instruments and mute and unmute them,have onboard EQ,have at least one fx return and have a decent reverb,no soundcard i think ofers this and amazingly even the high end ones(like the RME fw400 lack a simple physical master volume knob! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/9/08, David Gans wrote: > From: David Gans > Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 10:22 PM > Did I read the specs correctly? I can send two discrete > channels out the USB interface, pre-fader/eq/etc? > > That would be so cool. Then I could record my performances > cleanly for later mixing and mastering, AND have separate > mixes for the house and monitor. > > For a solo guy, this could be a great tool. > > > > > > > At 9:03 PM -0600 11/9/08, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > From what I've read in the manual, yes you should > be able to use this > > with Mobius without a sound card. In addition to > being a mixer, it is > > also a 2 in 2 out USB audio interface. > > > > > -- > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA > 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 09:15:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E7643BE91; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=waOkboBzVIaMdXsBwuSw1pzMqlAiJi3X7VWiZFSuIF8=; b=Z162hQEv+kPDBzkLsDZlsH71l5WAbmKpdODNeNa/YrDrJokdyh6G/hqqBGmwFSr53r kKM0tVfTj2Oym1xzvm/E+xGhNW41xkBNf5tHHQhqvqKO33PkuQ0Jnpj+2LLlu7vAEHuL Dux0flr3tv5EYYECEIva5r8gWBzgwyxBBU/js= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=JZS5FTmwLRsHJfLF+0s5GRVZzjNGcabaBxQjy9KfLB80M+oNd7hLaelp+AwQQVw1zP z8OAXdeVnU4JYNB7l4lWAVHNq90qEknwB4eU8ZCCs0k3LGR/8Gip4Qy7ZyOGruzKyUub FUNdnhbUvX8pENQyGsQcC+NfV8cQ8L1YndMV4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811100115n680c8d81r849a8e4afa6b781b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:15:57 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:15:58 +0000 (UTC) XP. Actually I have not heard about anyone that found Vista good for music applications. Per On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:58 AM, wrote: > I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop > computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In order > from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of > partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would this > esteemed group recommend? > > Thanks! > > ~peace~ > > Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 09:51:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E14E3BEA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:51:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:51:19 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 01FBD4F100095401FBD63E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:51:35 +0000 (UTC) From: > I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop > computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In > order from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of > partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would this > esteemed group recommend? If your motherboard's USB ports aren't up to the task it won't matter what USB interfaces you hook up to them. My last motherboard was a Asus with USB ports up the wall, but only two out of six were USB 2.0! Ridiculous, even without a music interface attached: cams and mice were either less-than-responsive or non-functional altogether. I go through a lot of hardware because of testing and experimenting; this last mobo bit it because I was trying to eliminate all the fans on it. Not all Zalman heat sinks will fit every motherboard! I had a semi-circle-form heat sink from them that I put on the South Bridge chipset. Unfortunately it was very close to my video card (PCIE Geforce 8600 GT, long card), though not touching it - I figured that 1/4" was a safe margin, but I didn't count on what happens when one bumps the box just enough... Not quite Kaboom, just a loud click and nothing. Thankfully only the cursed motherboard was ruined. So I was saved from having to eventually troubleshoot an already-troublesome series of USB ports. How old is your mobo? Model? Thanks to our even-more-cursed Sky+ HD box starting to give up the ghost (damn you Murdoch!), I have had to move forward my plans to create a quiet, hopefully fanless small-form PC with feckless HD 1080 output, and a dual Sky-compatible tuner card. If anyone on-list is interested in the results I'll keep 'em in the loop. Off-list of course. > Thanks! > > ~peace~ > > Plish > > www.michaelplishka.com > www.scribbledmusings.com > www.myspace.com/michaelplishka > www.myspace.com/bohdanovich > > > > > From chipjames@optonline.net Mon Nov 10 10:00:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1800 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:00:44 UTC Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D597D3BE90; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from optonline.net (mstr6a.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [10.240.4.148]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0KA400MT22F6XBH0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.240.3.200] (Forwarded-For: 97.96.124.165, [10.240.3.200]) by mstr6.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mshttpd); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:30:42 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:30:42 +0000 (GMT) From: chipjames@optonline.net Subject: EMPLOYMENT OFFER!!! 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:08:29 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:51 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > If your motherboard's USB ports aren't up to the task it won't matter what > USB interfaces you hook up to them. True. Nothing can cure hardware malfunctioning. But that aside, the most important part is the software drivers provided by the manufacturer of the particular device. The question is: who is providing good drivers for Vista? (and that's the question I've not heard an answer to yet). Judging audio interface devices only by a test with Vista may not give a fair picture of what the gear is capable of. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 10:08:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A96963BEC1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=564m30lTQrdBkxYF/SO4ttp4GKg5M6haHfiXoIl2PfQ=; b=XZ8aAFXuzaX7Sf2PwMJjaPN8HkRN1ecFF0fQasPkzkGq0IyEUAOXEMom6QWlOZOEke 4P150nzlEjz1Cc++iPoB4dkT7LKdlHAZ+ARZYcOvugz0jd6jFr/bCMkD836URcqNea2/ SqdrjVJZoCPbfbF0LZYisF6wsskuRW+fqNwjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EHRLSgG+/85KoYQGv6l1IvIiEqolzksgaW7lkYYhIudavPPyOMPIpHLpyusHA+TIUW sc1pl7ai9IRJAVaVEEjJAYhewQ10d5ddStuLNQBYItdXME+xzMU0XuSl4EEvX3OGZBCn wZKSWQ35zl5PJoY9Sh350HlJt6ccg2oe/YPLA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:08:42 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:08:44 +0000 (UTC) 1080 output? The would be great! I could mount a 73" flat screen on the wall of the studio. Of course the wife would start wondering where the TV went ;). -J On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:51 PM, SP Goodman wrote: > > From: > > >> I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop >> computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In order >> from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of >> partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would this >> esteemed group recommend? > > If your motherboard's USB ports aren't up to the task it won't matter what > USB interfaces you hook up to them. My last motherboard was a Asus with USB > ports up the wall, but only two out of six were USB 2.0! Ridiculous, even > without a music interface attached: cams and mice were either > less-than-responsive or non-functional altogether. I go through a lot of > hardware because of testing and experimenting; this last mobo bit it because > I was trying to eliminate all the fans on it. Not all Zalman heat sinks > will fit every motherboard! I had a semi-circle-form heat sink from them > that I put on the South Bridge chipset. Unfortunately it was very close to > my video card (PCIE Geforce 8600 GT, long card), though not touching it - I > figured that 1/4" was a safe margin, but I didn't count on what happens when > one bumps the box just enough... Not quite Kaboom, just a loud click and > nothing. Thankfully only the cursed motherboard was ruined. > > So I was saved from having to eventually troubleshoot an already-troublesome > series of USB ports. How old is your mobo? Model? > > Thanks to our even-more-cursed Sky+ HD box starting to give up the ghost > (damn you Murdoch!), I have had to move forward my plans to create a quiet, > hopefully fanless small-form PC with feckless HD 1080 output, and a dual > Sky-compatible tuner card. If anyone on-list is interested in the results > I'll keep 'em in the loop. Off-list of course. > > >> Thanks! >> >> ~peace~ >> >> Plish >> >> www.michaelplishka.com >> www.scribbledmusings.com >> www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >> www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >> >> >> >> >> > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 10:23:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D48B3BEC0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=LNVWJer8lkIgv/NVCSnro8XSsZVzzltXlA5ZmNo6DsY=; b=lNNf/hh6ms/WdC2iyf6/qWQWTH//CaKOCC+vfo6d/UwkHkow+YW1h2QA905MdJ1kD0 QE239eZor1hl8fPR9BLOsY59jwP6WibR/b4A0jbEaeKLU8zLWoBMKlslKZjohqwscjek c/B1mdaiX+MoDZp+lR9gi2d3xjM3e/f4yFZAo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nYPLsUsdispKiUE+2uXVtHxCTNnTFQTxHnIcB5pTYxndjB1x5v44sKkZDpbtGGn0Rr s+RS0REoBAqMldH8zaZNTxSypmXO8aNYTeyMWPobooPykC/Y+0hozyI1ZEKur0ExVl9u NsAX/U3lpX/P7YSs2w2ECnB+Tg6jvdwtJCxEA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:23:30 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3715d073ef660a47 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:23:32 +0000 (UTC) if you want to use windows for music, use xp. AFAIK there is no improvement offered by vista over xp that will help you play or create music. In fact, vista is the laughing stock of the tech world, whether some people like it or not. XP is still proven to be a very good os for every day uses and has such extensive support by hardware vendors that it's one of the top two choices for music (os x being the other, i'm not getting into the argument of which is better for music right now). in the future, perhaps windows 7. For now, use windows XP, don't waste time with vista. Hope that helps, Nick On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > 1080 output? The would be great! I could mount a 73" flat screen on > the wall of the studio. Of course the wife would start wondering > where the TV went ;). > > -J > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:51 PM, SP Goodman wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >>> I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop >>> computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In order >>> from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of >>> partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would this >>> esteemed group recommend? >> >> If your motherboard's USB ports aren't up to the task it won't matter what >> USB interfaces you hook up to them. My last motherboard was a Asus with USB >> ports up the wall, but only two out of six were USB 2.0! Ridiculous, even >> without a music interface attached: cams and mice were either >> less-than-responsive or non-functional altogether. I go through a lot of >> hardware because of testing and experimenting; this last mobo bit it because >> I was trying to eliminate all the fans on it. Not all Zalman heat sinks >> will fit every motherboard! I had a semi-circle-form heat sink from them >> that I put on the South Bridge chipset. Unfortunately it was very close to >> my video card (PCIE Geforce 8600 GT, long card), though not touching it - I >> figured that 1/4" was a safe margin, but I didn't count on what happens when >> one bumps the box just enough... Not quite Kaboom, just a loud click and >> nothing. Thankfully only the cursed motherboard was ruined. >> >> So I was saved from having to eventually troubleshoot an already-troublesome >> series of USB ports. How old is your mobo? Model? >> >> Thanks to our even-more-cursed Sky+ HD box starting to give up the ghost >> (damn you Murdoch!), I have had to move forward my plans to create a quiet, >> hopefully fanless small-form PC with feckless HD 1080 output, and a dual >> Sky-compatible tuner card. If anyone on-list is interested in the results >> I'll keep 'em in the loop. Off-list of course. >> >> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> ~peace~ >>> >>> Plish >>> >>> www.michaelplishka.com >>> www.scribbledmusings.com >>> www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >>> www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > --------------------------- > (504) 613-0837 > Skype: whsp3r > Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p > Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ > Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv > > From zorro@wokup.com Mon Nov 10 11:00:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1651 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:24 UTC Received: from krypton.wokup.net (krypton.wokup.net [195.6.183.204]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E433BE8F for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by krypton.wokup.net (Postfix, from userid 504) id AB06F90F5E; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:32:51 +0100 (CET) To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have received a postcard ! 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================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:10:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BDF23BEAF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Vista tuning Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:10:32 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01c94335$b67b2060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclDNbXG/UvLcmydRCm4PUiqWlvn1A== X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.29; VDF: 7.1.0.59) Resent-Message-ID: <2CNBKC.A.L9C.NLDGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:10:37 +0000 (UTC) does anyone have links to resources that explain how to tune a Vista system for music production? there should be plenty of stuff but somehow I couldn't locate anything useful. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:48:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 264ED3BEB9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 105771137/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0AAK3JF0lPTu6Q/2dsb2JhbAAIylWDWIND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,575,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="105771137" Message-ID: <49183C47.4050101@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:51:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vista tuning References: <005d01c94335$b67b2060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <005d01c94335$b67b2060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5xF4SD.A.Q0D.UuDGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:48:04 +0000 (UTC) hi Michael, Sound on Sound does very good articles on this subject http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun07/articles/pcmusician_0607.htm http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul07/articles/pcmusician_0707.htm ...but unfortunately, this recent one isn't for free:- http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/nov08/articles/pcmusician.htm ...don't worry tho', I have a copy of the mag (i think), so I can have a quick check for you later. >From what I remember, it's mostly a matter of switching off all the graphic features (which is the main difference between Vista & XP), and then performance is similar to XP as long as the Vista device drivers are ok. If you have 64bit Vista, then I think there's a 64bit version of Bidule available from the Plogue website. hope that helps andy butler Michael Peters wrote: > does anyone have links to resources that explain how to tune a Vista system > for music production? there should be plenty of stuff but somehow I > couldn't locate anything useful. > > -Michael > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 13:56:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB4B3BEAF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=rjzpxIQSJlLVUpLY4bEZCmHcnNUL+8Npt2ruJ1wfZJk=; b=ChHxAZ+FEGVFtCUDoA8nMrSjhWWcqyWqxvd94fylp1hf5QSPKs363p+8vfQBw3cThF H0XFJzW6D+9VRkVuHVkn90EdwnOtlo3io1dvVkPBDbsPwJUw6179HZ0RlGUJs06M8MS3 LO+adIzEQcbKYCxuJ3MX7TcemdOb8fuZZdbLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=xhc43MNUw3et/qMW207uogYuWn59Zr+fmCPLuObf8fv7PQu1OoQwvykMGU7+72aN7D dyfpXkZorkMyr5GCsZGhOBFa0ZK1r1ojNLoCzMfw6Dl63uLcSA3eOZHgGiw68CchPmUC kzKZeboLHzLfgXOApaIFivA5lerWaReG+aOqQ= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:55:58 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_38573_14625925.1226325358394" Resent-Message-ID: <_gNlXB.A.pHE.w1DGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:56:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_38573_14625925.1226325358394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've checked out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of any others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links my way? Many thanks for your help! Kayla -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_38573_14625925.1226325358394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks,

I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've checked out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of any others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links my way?

Many thanks for your help!

Kayla

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------=_Part_38573_14625925.1226325358394-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 15:09:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 750473BEA6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=0BFvAKce6WP5ev3fqRvNsdnvHQ5osLCFBDfDZZ3m3/k=; b=CdPIOgn5jVmALPo7Ae+uG/TcfDhZ5otadHw2pJe9QkNI+DjDD38LF9yyxEHWDngxv+ cp6j/sTRdcCqwfsHPF+K+Scsp5vUUibcomZziyM/aPl7dN+9Sgg7yEA/qnAk6f8cmNSs VQ93jyCOhOS9KXts9RSiE/6ErKBO5gxkuX9Sc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OjdW5ZwJs61cygdYj1uwnzNOE6BPxIz1hE5V+LkQmGJ9R1DpWIfRBnaFXdo8suJuL3 awLSN7lEVKEKHHs9nH1JDBH+6kJ0CEQNWK7/h/88npqW3A63plvVBtJbzFG0rEuBGoM9 xIHGkEkwEXHfNqLDSA9yutNSvQJ0gckMuxUUc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811100709q742cfabam846d432bc4e305c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:09:55 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:09:56 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM, Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've checked > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of any > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links > my way? > > Many thanks for your help! > > Kayla Hi Kayla, Here's a PM I'm using for classes on these topics: http://www.boysen.se/liveloopingandinstantcomposing.pdf It's quite minimal, since it's just a paper meant to be talked around in a workshop situation. But maybe the general theoretic grip can be of interest? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 15:42:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 456083BEA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=6q2QSf6d26APGp8PcI7oyKXxehU0xKOTmjz1I037UIM=; b=ZTCI/jGgqIrOWvHcHXS6Zle/gF+sqwybKRAOptQLdEElCjkrLrPuFMeCwwmndmAbr9 pifJgUx9l/ffxe+R1Sp/rfsvXpIjhoSv7UV4XAuV5IMhQ4tz++EQkQR+WQoDnXGSbEAA aoL5HxlN1+LijrrOZQUThsU81xoIk7aktLKEQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ihIdxlOvT/gc8g/El36CO3/Ukbiclrg1UvEAPN1OLMKVzqfaKfGEC20dK1kNSe3ILa N+W+8Za3r+cTE9tWvLuL9mw4DH2R2BBq/HjdUZqEwjFBqIB8Oig7p4f3AvHmtGMkOIbJ CzpVOXyDJbHznhv04wFgn+vYfRXGVGFCgBT8k= Message-ID: <101191640811100742s14502ad0i27a2ea64c985cf54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:42:49 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_95837_17574241.1226331769263" References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: d733bbc677e3d00b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_95837_17574241.1226331769263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Kayla, I don't have any links for you, but I would encourage you to explore, as part of your thesis, the fact that loop-based composition is a new form of structure for music, much like song form or sonata form (although maybe the latter is kind of a weak analogy). People are wired to recognize repetition, and looping lends not just density but also structure to free-form spontaneous composition. Maybe most of us start in on this road through a desire to be a kind of "one-person-band" for whatever reasons, but we discover that looping has a profound effect on the type of music we make and doesn't just fill in the gaps. Of course, some of us may more determinedly than others force looping into a preconceived framework in order to achieve specific goals, but i suspect that more of us adapt the framework to the Loop. Warren On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've checked > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of any > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links > my way? > > Many thanks for your help! > > Kayla > > -- > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > ------=_Part_95837_17574241.1226331769263 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Kayla,

I don't have any links for you, but I would encourage you to explore, as part of your thesis, the fact that loop-based composition is a new form of structure for music, much like song form or sonata form (although maybe the latter is kind of a weak analogy). People are wired to recognize repetition, and looping lends not just density but also structure to free-form spontaneous composition. Maybe most of us start in on this road through a desire to be a kind of "one-person-band" for whatever reasons, but we discover that looping has a profound effect on the type of music we make and doesn't just fill in the gaps.

Of course, some of us may more determinedly than others force looping into a preconceived framework in order to achieve specific goals, but i suspect that more of us adapt the framework to the Loop.

Warren

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Kayla Kavanagh <irishkayla@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi folks,

I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've checked out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of any others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links my way?

Many thanks for your help!

Kayla

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FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016
Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk

------=_Part_95837_17574241.1226331769263-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:08:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6D1F3BEAE; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 105318311/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0AAI3rF0lPTu6Q/2dsb2JhbAAIywiDWIND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,575,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="105318311" Message-ID: <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:11:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:08:22 +0000 (UTC) hi Kayla, worth looking here: http://www.livelooping.org/ some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, and a research paper too. ...and there's this Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music Written Research Project by Darren Perry BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices Dartington College of Arts April 2008 (don't think it's online) Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd research paper. good luck andy butler Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use > of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its > own right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly > articles which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. > I've checked out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so > if you know of any others (or have written anything yourself) please > could you pass the links my way? > > Many thanks for your help! > > Kayla > > -- > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:17:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCF363BEA0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:17:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1808 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:17:11 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.1 X-EN-IMPSID: dTn01a00C01P85W0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:46:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 8a678e7a1842afbad60fe446da7a5956:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog@creepingfog.com Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 76.14.77.15 X-EN-OrigHost: unknown Message-Id: <20081110161711.997A43BE88@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:17:11 +0000 (UTC) http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/01/adieu-xp-how-vista-sp1-is-doing-and-why-this-os-generation-has-been-so-tough/ http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/09/29/optimizing-for-vista-inside-the-mechanics-of-sonar-8-with-cakewalk-engineering/ At 2008.11.10 02:23 AM, Nick wrote: >if you want to use windows for music, use xp. AFAIK there is no >improvement offered by vista over xp that will help you play or create >music. In fact, vista is the laughing stock of the tech world, whether >some people like it or not. XP is still proven to be a very good os >for every day uses and has such extensive support by hardware vendors >that it's one of the top two choices for music (os x being the other, >i'm not getting into the argument of which is better for music right >now). > >in the future, perhaps windows 7. For now, use windows XP, don't waste >time with vista. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:20:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C133BEAE; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wNvAXOk02zra4s/Z2Zu5HIfRhzsGPxIWCxnmcdEhaG8=; b=cLSTr2d2D3ypMxJKAQVp5hdnri4dg3U5cIp4TS2+EMlrwmCNeSvho5dGax1U/DblPs bGIchLnA0gWrIafrQW7wQLSRiH+Bv/1OghMmmkonKt1xEYQSW3n9Mn0UE6YaFv0M/V86 w7Zaa6TSoToTxlETKHn59AdbkzdjovIqlIuus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LGsXa13RuxmxRuf+lQZXd2Rk8uJRe/PzOhNP+iTI1Jn3eUQ3hE1FugX/gk2mf2/xk8 UL+Z9yQ+VFO1KWmPH4qHGZb2VWWIa3LF3qjV9umxCoJIe7PP2EcjosZoxCS0boLT7RFu CGPB1Dr8ooOPkz07/3KaMFk5uJcNL3CPf/hwQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:20:17 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:20:19 +0000 (UTC) Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive. Here a phd thesis i found: http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1 LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M. Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS August 2007 Also...\ http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf not live looping focused tho this one.... ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music Written Research Project by Darren Perry BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices Dartington College of Arts April 2008 (don't think it's online) Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and then posted it on a file share site for people to download. On the aspect of the one man band concept: robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY OF G OTEBORG G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY Goteborg, Sweden 2007 A linguistic spin on loops.... Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages 197=96212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI: 10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005 Published Online: 23/06/2005 Abstract Loops as Genre Resources Glenn Stillar Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and cybernetic perception than music looping. Not sure whther to write the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some sort..... If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon. Byron On 11/10/08, andy butler wrote: > hi Kayla, > worth looking here: > > http://www.livelooping.org/ > some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, > and a research paper too. > > > ...and there's this > Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > Written Research Project > by Darren Perry > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > Dartington College of Arts > April 2008 > (don't think it's online) > > Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd research > paper. > > > > good luck > > andy butler > > > > > Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use = of > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've chec= ked > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of = any > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the link= s > my way? > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > > Kayla > > > > -- > > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > > FaceBook: > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:21:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFB103BEAE; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:21:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Nick! When I've run other things through the USB ports I haven't had problems so when I tuned the PC for music I thought there'd be no problems... wrong! It's only a couple month old PC, AMD Turion x2 though it dos have ATI video boards. I've tried every port and one is slightly better that the other three. I can see shared IRQ's but VISTA of course doesn't allow me to switch those so I'm stuck there. Was talking to the head dude at SamAsh the other day and he too think it's all a Vista issue. SO since I still have 130G of harddrive available me thinks it's time to partition and install XP. Thanks again, Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:23 AM Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems > if you want to use windows for music, use xp. AFAIK there is no > improvement offered by vista over xp that will help you play or create > music. In fact, vista is the laughing stock of the tech world, whether > some people like it or not. XP is still proven to be a very good os > for every day uses and has such extensive support by hardware vendors > that it's one of the top two choices for music (os x being the other, > i'm not getting into the argument of which is better for music right > now). > > in the future, perhaps windows 7. For now, use windows XP, don't waste > time with vista. > > Hope that helps, > > Nick > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: >> 1080 output? The would be great! I could mount a 73" flat screen on >> the wall of the studio. Of course the wife would start wondering >> where the TV went ;). >> >> -J >> >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 12:51 PM, SP Goodman >> wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>>> I've had it with trying to find USB interfaces with my Vista laptop >>>> computer. Gone through four: lexicon, maudio, edirol and presonus (In >>>> order >>>> from worst to best) and none of them really worked. I'm thinking of >>>> partioning and installing a different version of windows. What would >>>> this >>>> esteemed group recommend? >>> >>> If your motherboard's USB ports aren't up to the task it won't matter >>> what >>> USB interfaces you hook up to them. My last motherboard was a Asus with >>> USB >>> ports up the wall, but only two out of six were USB 2.0! Ridiculous, >>> even >>> without a music interface attached: cams and mice were either >>> less-than-responsive or non-functional altogether. I go through a lot >>> of >>> hardware because of testing and experimenting; this last mobo bit it >>> because >>> I was trying to eliminate all the fans on it. Not all Zalman heat sinks >>> will fit every motherboard! I had a semi-circle-form heat sink from >>> them >>> that I put on the South Bridge chipset. Unfortunately it was very close >>> to >>> my video card (PCIE Geforce 8600 GT, long card), though not touching >>> it - I >>> figured that 1/4" was a safe margin, but I didn't count on what happens >>> when >>> one bumps the box just enough... Not quite Kaboom, just a loud click and >>> nothing. Thankfully only the cursed motherboard was ruined. >>> >>> So I was saved from having to eventually troubleshoot an >>> already-troublesome >>> series of USB ports. How old is your mobo? Model? >>> >>> Thanks to our even-more-cursed Sky+ HD box starting to give up the ghost >>> (damn you Murdoch!), I have had to move forward my plans to create a >>> quiet, >>> hopefully fanless small-form PC with feckless HD 1080 output, and a dual >>> Sky-compatible tuner card. If anyone on-list is interested in the >>> results >>> I'll keep 'em in the loop. Off-list of course. >>> >>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> ~peace~ >>>> >>>> Plish >>>> >>>> www.michaelplishka.com >>>> www.scribbledmusings.com >>>> www.myspace.com/michaelplishka >>>> www.myspace.com/bohdanovich >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> --------------------------- >> (504) 613-0837 >> Skype: whsp3r >> Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p >> Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ >> Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:22:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7ED23BEC0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Y0vuAZ5U4EOXFaGXqtUpfGN+iPh26Ya6v9yp3QGLd9w=; b=fu1C5DE4aSxAtfwfF54MbPCpIvcgmHibyxCEqX/9YfB7TdU06rSRe5HOrHQK8NAjxl mTAB5Z76fZlKCPd/C0PWV1Lv2Qkn7kH+60mP0VxW0b1rXySFwncDJiQz1PTGLOgm9FTn SjVkkdMW2DQcfh1LYBrvMokncuCIMsmT6u3fY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Xav9/MlxYx+lAo9z8KeXZCd7bgzurPZJpe8PpnpQy+xIzBCPQqvAblbJgsLEItXrJS eWdZxq0qGBYKi3JNoVAQj3cdd5QzXfo7mq8p4E4oPOGCoYopsugGph751HtAinyG9rwh IR+rfRLcCWvdqkvVEBK+/kwGwt9kfIcCzIq68= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811100822q54d4eb30m2db2f6cb939a6aef@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:55 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39724_27091224.1226334175746" References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39724_27091224.1226334175746 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Jeff, Per, Warren, Andy, Byron - Thank you all for sending such helpful links ... very much appreciated! Looks like I've got a lot of reading to do :) If anything else crops up please do forward to me on/off list. Thanks for your help! Kayla 2008/11/10 Byron Howell > Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive. > > Here a phd thesis i found: > > http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1 > > LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE > APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS > Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M. > Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of > DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS > UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS > > August 2007 > > Also...\ > > http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf > > not live looping focused tho > > this one.... > ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > Written Research Project > by Darren Perry > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > Dartington College of Arts > April 2008 > (don't think it's online) > > Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and > then posted it on a file share site for people to download. > > On the aspect of the one man band concept: > > robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY > OF G OTEBORG > G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF > TECHNOLOGY > Goteborg, Sweden 2007 > > > A linguistic spin on loops.... > > > Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages > 197=96212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI: > 10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005 > Published Online: 23/06/2005 > Abstract > Loops as Genre Resources > Glenn Stillar > > > Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got > way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and > cybernetic perception than music looping. Not sure whther to write > the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this > community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear > research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some > sort..... > > If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon. > > Byron > > > > > > > > On 11/10/08, andy butler wrote: > > hi Kayla, > > worth looking here: > > > > http://www.livelooping.org/ > > some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, > > and a research paper too. > > > > > > ...and there's this > > Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > > Written Research Project > > by Darren Perry > > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > > Dartington College of Arts > > April 2008 > > (don't think it's online) > > > > Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd research > > paper. > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the us= e > of > > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own > > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly article= s > > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've > checked > > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know o= f > any > > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the > links > > my way? > > > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > > > > Kayla > > > > > > -- > > > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > > > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > > > FaceBook: > > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > > > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > > > > > > > > > --=20 Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_39724_27091224.1226334175746 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Jeff, Per, Warren, Andy, Byron -

Thank you all for sending such help= ful links ... very much appreciated! Looks like I've got a lot of readi= ng to do :)

If anything else crops up please do forward to me on/off= list.

Thanks for your help!

Kayla

20= 08/11/10 Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com>
Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive.

Here a phd thesis i found:

http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1

 LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE
APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS
Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M.
Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of
DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS
UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS

August 2007

Also...\

http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf

not live looping focused tho

this one....
ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music Written Research Project
by Darren Perry
BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices
Dartington College of Arts
April 2008
(don't think it's online)

Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and<= br> then posted it on a file share site for people to download.

On the aspect of the one man band concept:

robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY
OF G OTEBORG
G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF
TECHNOLOGY
Goteborg, Sweden 2007


A linguistic spin on loops....


Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages
197=96212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI:
10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005
Published Online: 23/06/2005
Abstract
Loops as Genre Resources
Glenn Stillar


Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got
way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and
cybernetic perception than music looping.  Not sure whther to write the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this
community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear
research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some
sort.....

If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon.

Byron







On 11/10/08, andy butler <akbu= tler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> hi Kayla,
>  worth looking here:
>
>  http:/= /www.livelooping.org/
>  some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob,
>  and a research paper too.
>
>
>  ...and there's this
>  Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music
>  Written Research Project
>  by Darren Perry
>  BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices
>  Dartington College of Arts
>  April 2008
>  (don't think it's online)
>
>  Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd re= search
> paper.
>
>
>
>  good luck
>
>  andy butler
>
>
>
>
>  Kayla Kavanagh wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses o= n the use of
> live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own=
> right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articl= es
> which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I'= ve checked
> out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know = of any
> others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the l= inks
> my way?
> >
> > Many thanks for your help!
> >
> > Kayla
> >
> > --
> > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com
> > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
> > FaceBook:
> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032= 129016
> > Kaleidoscope Web Design:
> htt= p://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk
> >
>
>




--
Kayla's= website: http://www.kaylakavanagh= .com
MySpace: http:= //www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh
FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016Kaleidoscope Web Design: = http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk
------=_Part_39724_27091224.1226334175746-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:23:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95B673BEBA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:23:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <349731790BCE4D2DAF442602664F12CA@MichaelPC> From: To: References: <005d01c94335$b67b2060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <005d01c94335$b67b2060$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: Vista tuning Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:23:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:23:55 +0000 (UTC) I need to head out now but I've found a couple of links. The problem is that Vista isn't super tunable. Yeah you can turn stuff on and off but not alot-it's not like tuning OS's of long ago. One thing that has seemed to help that I found recently is disabling superfetch. It definitely has helped though it's not the end all. I wonder how many software manufacturers in the music world are TOTALLY ticked at microsoft for Vista while Mac folks just cruise along... Good luck! Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 7:10 AM Subject: Vista tuning > does anyone have links to resources that explain how to tune a Vista > system > for music production? there should be plenty of stuff but somehow I > couldn't locate anything useful. > > -Michael > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:38:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B8F93BECD; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=923/H3r9GdQXsLb7uzXjbn69pRFjJmVB0uvP2XImwxQ=; b=Cn7kMnjZW9R0jPi4RwSp8SmfNPUcLGDygnEvGAkRJWlAeGmVFO4Aqk4VccYWimx3yz 4JWGbDtg5Cl2igACtWbpGGYlT1QmcMJNBiMeql6SwR4DLxuUiezTh1+a50q2smjK+afY A6jBkSrcv2PZctAZRdsFOkTZzl2VnQBDf9Ro0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VsccxA8zoayCAFbJrX+kBKBMtzIZj5ZduHSrob93npkrwbs+ENlDupTr19g0Byleg4 zHkVVGxSDv2DIaaA/xfma2GXxmV0Ccyee57M2nWOJzANqgpIgRGJQz4FO13eN1d0HQgd lE/BW7PPQLQuzz4IlsNWxkSHWcTusQcqYtKrw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:38:01 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <1f6442e00811100822q54d4eb30m2db2f6cb939a6aef@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> <1f6442e00811100822q54d4eb30m2db2f6cb939a6aef@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <43kXL.A.ge.qNGGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:02 +0000 (UTC) If anything else crops up please do forward to me on/off list I sure someone on this list might be nterested so contine to post on list if anything else is found This is a great thesis, exploring the Line 6 DL4 Avenue Journal, Vol 1, No 1 (2007) Repeating the Live: Musical Repetition and the Line 6 DL4 Jeremy Morris this Book is also interesting when one goes into the Aesthetic implications of liv e looping, the theory which ultimatly accompany the practical for any would be musicologist... Liveness Performance in a mediatized culture by Philip auslander The whole notion of 'Liveness' is rather obscurred in live looping, mediatised and recorded function within a performance realm where traditonally performance "being is through its disappearence. Philip explores the concept of liveness within a culture whose primary reference is the artifical, the mediatised as apposed to the 'real' And of course the seminal Walter benjamins paper Art in the age of mechanical reproduction If your wanting to explore the historical shift to eventually engaging with fragments of recorded sound in performance. Always leaving the referencing till later, the academic prcrastinator lurks forever, so i think illl get that section together for the next While On 11/10/08, Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > Jeff, Per, Warren, Andy, Byron - > > Thank you all for sending such helpful links ... very much appreciated! > Looks like I've got a lot of reading to do :) > > If anything else crops up please do forward to me on/off list. > > Thanks for your help! > > Kayla > > 2008/11/10 Byron Howell > > > Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive. > > > > Here a phd thesis i found: > > > > http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1 > > > > LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE > > APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS > > Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M. > > Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of > > DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS > > UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS > > > > August 2007 > > > > Also...\ > > > > http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf > > > > not live looping focused tho > > > > this one.... > > > > ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > > Written Research Project > > by Darren Perry > > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > > Dartington College of Arts > > April 2008 > > (don't think it's online) > > > > Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and > > then posted it on a file share site for people to download. > > > > On the aspect of the one man band concept: > > > > robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY > > OF G OTEBORG > > G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF > > TECHNOLOGY > > Goteborg, Sweden 2007 > > > > > > A linguistic spin on loops.... > > > > > > Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages > > 197=96212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI: > > 10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005 > > Published Online: 23/06/2005 > > Abstract > > Loops as Genre Resources > > Glenn Stillar > > > > > > Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got > > way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and > > cybernetic perception than music looping. Not sure whther to write > > the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this > > community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear > > research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some > > sort..... > > > > If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon. > > > > Byron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 11/10/08, andy butler wrote: > > > hi Kayla, > > > worth looking here: > > > > > > http://www.livelooping.org/ > > > some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, > > > and a research paper too. > > > > > > > > > ...and there's this > > > Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > > > Written Research Project > > > by Darren Perry > > > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > > > Dartington College of Arts > > > April 2008 > > > (don't think it's online) > > > > > > Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd resear= ch > > > paper. > > > > > > > > > > > > good luck > > > > > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > > > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the = use > of > > > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its ow= n > > > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly artic= les > > > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've > checked > > > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know= of > any > > > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the > links > > > my way? > > > > > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > Kayla > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > > > > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > > > > FaceBook: > > > > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > > > > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > > > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > FaceBook: > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:42:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1543BEC0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:41:46 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <20081109180252.252310@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20081110164146.274610@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081102192156.43360@gmx.net> <41873.24092.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811071133y6a7cb304q859330bd77b46a75@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811071337xe5ae5bck95d859c035a8f4c@mail.gmail.com> <20081109180252.252310@gmx.net> Subject: Re: OT: MacBook buying advice? (Pimp my RC-50) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18LF9gSMWgLNxBG8vygcUC0xN4gEOt1WVHNKmVtz/ JamRyINM3DR3XIZXQ9heMTgRXE5IY+ccJJ1A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: eVMqeHFDIydmP4x+j2Zr30ZSa2FkZpXz X-FuHaFi: 0.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:41:48 +0000 (UTC) > > > "always use color cables" > > Red is the fastest! > Yeah, I heard there is this special Customizer in California. He's making > custom orange cables - they have the best latency! Thinking about someones taste for the color orange here on this list, I just realized I made an unintentional pun with California+orange... ;-) But seriously: I really prefer my cables black and simple. I prefer markings on the cable ends if I need them for left/right or in/out distinction. Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 16:52:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DFB03BEAF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:52:19 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: <6Qo81B.A.a4.MbGGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:52:28 +0000 (UTC) i did sound for a buddy's band recently. there were some onstage problems, the biggest of which was an unplugged patch cord between the bass head and cabinet(we found out later). i could tell the bass player couldn't hear himself so i put some bass thru the monitors. the stage sound was one big rumble, they told me later, but i did the best i could to give them a good sound out front. from my perception i thought they sounded pretty good. however, the show was recorded on a zoom h4 with the onboard mics and the recording is fairly bass heavy, not at all what i remember it sounding like. the h4 was sitting an arm's length away from me on a table about 25' in front of the band. the room was about 40' x 40'. not very full with a concrete floor. so, why such a difference between the recording and my recollection of the sound? how accurate is the bass response on the h4 mics? or is it me? i do tend to prefer more bass in my mixes, whether playing or listening, but not at the expense of the rest of the frequencies. a good balance is always the goal. any ideas? thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 17:23:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4310F3BEA6; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 105358923/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0AAAX9F0lPTu6Q/2dsb2JhbAAIyz+DWIND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,576,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="105358923" Message-ID: <49186ECC.9080607@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:26:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811100742s14502ad0i27a2ea64c985cf54@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640811100742s14502ad0i27a2ea64c985cf54@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Warren Sirota wrote: > Hi Kayla, > > I don't have any links for you, but I would encourage you to explore, as > part of your thesis, the fact that loop-based composition is a new form > of structure for music, much like song form or sonata form (although > maybe the latter is kind of a weak analogy). I think it's quite a strong analogy once you start using a looping device which is capable of doing "slice'n'dice" editing, or using techniques that let you copy one loop onto another with speed change and reverse. Interestingly, I think it's the first time that the instrument allows the player to physically interact with the form of the music, while still working within the limitations on form which are imposed by the instrument itself. (as long as we can assume the live looping device to be an instrument). As soon as musicians try to get past the limitation of simply building up layers they find their choices restricted by the technology, but also find it's possible to experiment with the form in real time. Perhaps an odd concept, but compare with the way that in a Villa Lobos Etude the physical nature of the guitar places restrictions on the harmony, and how that very much adds to the musical result. andy butler > People are wired to > recognize repetition, and looping lends not just density but also > structure to free-form spontaneous composition. Maybe most of us start > in on this road through a desire to be a kind of "one-person-band" for > whatever reasons, but we discover that looping has a profound effect on > the type of music we make and doesn't just fill in the gaps. > > Of course, some of us may more determinedly than others force looping > into a preconceived framework in order to achieve specific goals, but i > suspect that more of us adapt the framework to the Loop. > > Warren > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 17:39:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B783BEC3; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 105895010/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: At0AAMQAGElPTu6Q/2dsb2JhbAAIy0uDWIND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,576,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="105895010" Message-ID: <49187271.1000401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:42:09 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response References: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> In-Reply-To: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Shayne Cafferata wrote: > the onboard mics and the recording is fairly bass heavy, not at all what > i remember it sounding like. the h4 was sitting an arm's length away > from me on a table about 25' in front of the band. the room was about > 40' x 40'. not very full with a concrete floor. so, why such a > difference between the recording and my recollection of the sound? how > accurate is the bass response on the h4 mics? or is it me? i do tend to > prefer more bass in my mixes, whether playing or listening, but not at > the expense of the rest of the frequencies. a good balance is always the > goal. any ideas? > The H4 mics are pretty accurate (assuming them to be similar to those on the H2). It's just possible that the resonance pattern of the room meant that the H4 heard different to you. (not likely from your description of the setup tho') Was it turned up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it difficult to judge. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 17:40:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E77103BEC7; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <101191640811100742s14502ad0i27a2ea64c985cf54@mail.gmail.com> References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811100742s14502ad0i27a2ea64c985cf54@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 09:39:42 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:40:37 +0000 (UTC) At 10:42 AM -0500 11/10/08, Warren Sirota wrote: >I don't have any links for you, but I would encourage you to >explore, as part of your thesis, the fact that loop-based >composition is a new form of structure for music, much like song >form or sonata form (although maybe the latter is kind of a weak >analogy). People are wired to recognize repetition, and looping >lends not just density but also structure to free-form spontaneous >composition. Maybe most of us start in on this road through a desire >to be a kind of "one-person-band" for whatever reasons, but we >discover that looping has a profound effect on the type of music we >make and doesn't just fill in the gaps. That is very true for me. I got the looper so I could accompany myself (i.e. record the changes of my songs so I could play solos), then discovered a world of creative possibilities. I have a number of compositions that began as loop improvisations. I record the, edit them, analyze them to determine which three or four or five gestures give each one its character, and then use those building blocks to create it anew in live performance. Terry Riley's "In C" is a model for this. I thought I had an online interview I could point you to, but I haven't found it yet. I can expound on it and offer examples if you're interested. Here are two examples: "Quarter to Five (For Tina Loney)": http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/?p=1075 "Dawn's Early Light": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd7PHjy4k_c -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 17:43:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 015E83BED2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CwbaM55kTZXZo0Kd+B7xAL8D0LLr5dIQGdWEkN95dPI=; b=tMP4Uebv7JirMGntkHJE1Eeqn6kkG2jVmVVL+beua7j1nG/rOns0yD292iEV+FCnrX Dqph/WIAi/RCCvGTe70kAB04rnqviFEFmDRlkF5B/f+YvcaPFUeYZr+rZui8fZwKOnIk Z32DdXCyy3YibchEt4aRH+kLTXntnD00+gapM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=U66WU6l9XeuIbq62coIA+AZEfdafru/lvNyzUji5NKv23OTfgUkhQO6OLQxpWP16mm OQcOXxgEceYOC5GIsaFxWR0ED3lHLm01M12r31UeYuS9YH54d/UU/rNCH+MN0QBqI0M1 aw513Knofg8O7o1COKDuNsa/k85Yj7QBBV97o= Message-ID: <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:43:46 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_97886_6834063.1226339026276" References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 32444d79bc702c66 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:43:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_97886_6834063.1226339026276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is exactly why i buy Macs for music - the hw works with the sw. I nearly took a hammer to my last Dell "multimedia-capable" laptop. I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue. Warren ------=_Part_97886_6834063.1226339026276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This is exactly why i buy Macs for music - the hw works with the sw. I nearly took a hammer to my last Dell "multimedia-capable" laptop.

I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue.

Warren


------=_Part_97886_6834063.1226339026276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 18:03:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC6BB3BECC; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OpnWLg4JH1IeUVLX7KyGyaXOf+W6rJibiI2kUoIRZug=; b=PwbQ83Ku4JF9/2tnScR6XmQ/0EYjOW57Lywz1WvUGu9EzQEyUmCfN4x14FU+o92ozp SLfaTCOLjhfrhynblichrkL9dxZzLgvN6mzEueFqZ1ujF5x4jHhhPZP528XFrW+7tl8I r7Uq68oYCMI0w28LW51xpQRvp7B3IQ4MK6Rao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RxyR9wJDyJSI74Sc/rVEoWyu2D8XLhHIV6o5uqzE4xIPD3dFZL6/e9yH/6HBWIJOLf 9vPVLEcH+/Kz6QZRaf2QP1+mLK6BjGjhlyh31xko44w6TBYRNkGfw79vy1WMYRm7e3vY 7ZUn8G02+UBfK4E5Fu2YAs9YcLI7evF9BbgHU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811101003m3fa6875ep16e7e9af633c97e7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:03:17 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:03:18 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > This is exactly why i buy Macs for music - the hw works with the sw. I nearly took a hammer to my last Dell "multimedia-capable" laptop. > > I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue. > > Warren DANG!!! Main part of this issue is the fact that drivers are not up to part with Vista yet (or ever, but we'll see about that....). It's way easier to find XP drivers for whatever hardware is on the box. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 18:13:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51D5B3BEC4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=auIOMlpUvgJ33c0TtOJJlp0IaYThxYoX02XtgWhzWwSL0elYu+lTnszuu8C94lWf4KjiKFin7dyds/fIEGxzFjMOGh7gkqX1EDP9a7Uqb+lzSHhoJoi7w9f1WhZgCF77QY+AH8kq467MqWxFu61QE/wgD+7cQxHZ0BbW84tPKak=; X-YMail-OSG: iOD4D9EVM1lxPApIC27WxRFu.72eYyum5lHqlJTQqCUWnfKDdsfKq8R6oUTe7bKG1Ta_1P0OIAeizer_UqErDV2B4l4.v52pbK6Twlj8zAsQf2aDnZ1PI0tuGSJRKoKHPlJRyXUYebBMcQx1mJeOXXBSNvlPikN28yM4vzO4_YYxM2SV8ezNYpVQXcM- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:13:39 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <546376.44149.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:13:40 +0000 (UTC) How loud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will compress, and you won't necessarily be able to tell. The microphone, on the other hand, does no such thing. ;) ----- Original Message ---- From: Shayne Cafferata To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 8:52:19 AM Subject: OT: Zoom H4 bass response i did sound for a buddy's band recently. there were some onstage problems, the biggest of which was an unplugged patch cord between the bass head and cabinet(we found out later). i could tell the bass player couldn't hear himself so i put some bass thru the monitors. the stage sound was one big rumble, they told me later, but i did the best i could to give them a good sound out front. from my perception i thought they sounded pretty good. however, the show was recorded on a zoom h4 with the onboard mics and the recording is fairly bass heavy, not at all what i remember it sounding like. the h4 was sitting an arm's length away from me on a table about 25' in front of the band. the room was about 40' x 40'. not very full with a concrete floor. so, why such a difference between the recording and my recollection of the sound? how accurate is the bass response on the h4 mics? or is it me? i do tend to prefer more bass in my mixes, whether playing or listening, but not at the expense of the rest of the frequencies. a good balance is always the goal. any ideas? thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 18:16:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4843BEC9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=B1z0did8w3ITYDHSzLfHqzTE+AAM1u2tjUi+7fC1UDl/e25m9nnGofhPkX+Sz6irglTku37wAbu0WEe4uEm0hpS+P+V7xro0cXE4hPOaDQSFZr4Z81RMMhw5WoNHJ4bWOxHO4mZEGC1+18ihmw2/Cfi01Tux55W+ls0/oZXLf1E= ; X-YMail-OSG: 2ADwjQwVM1nyRVOnluiI5OoE0f8ZBJKROQe4NwPlQWXGcHg6PL2n8voPXdpuv0Y9kZjAlCdBUnf1H9Lw3gED5uaTzk3cNv.lbm0gGT.d3JPhfAghBM35QGOSbRuitZ7JoNMbQf6pLzW56E11rNdveeHxy7R_mZLsCvSAvrSTp8xVL0_WNxQvyF2Y5Sc- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <002501c94360$716ed4a0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:16:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <-FlqCC.A.ZPD.upHGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Absolute gold, Byron. Thanks, Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Howell" To: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive. Here a phd thesis i found: http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1 LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M. Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS August 2007 Also...\ http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf not live looping focused tho this one.... ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music Written Research Project by Darren Perry BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices Dartington College of Arts April 2008 (don't think it's online) Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and then posted it on a file share site for people to download. On the aspect of the one man band concept: robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY OF G OTEBORG G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF TECHNOLOGY Goteborg, Sweden 2007 A linguistic spin on loops.... Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages 197–212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI: 10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005 Published Online: 23/06/2005 Abstract Loops as Genre Resources Glenn Stillar Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and cybernetic perception than music looping. Not sure whther to write the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some sort..... If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon. Byron On 11/10/08, andy butler wrote: > hi Kayla, > worth looking here: > > http://www.livelooping.org/ > some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, > and a research paper too. > > > ...and there's this > Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > Written Research Project > by Darren Perry > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > Dartington College of Arts > April 2008 > (don't think it's online) > > Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd research > paper. > > > > good luck > > andy butler > > > > > Kayla Kavanagh wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use > > of > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own > right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles > which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've > checked > out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of > any > others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the links > my way? > > > > Many thanks for your help! > > > > Kayla > > > > -- > > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com > > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh > > FaceBook: > http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 > > Kaleidoscope Web Design: > http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk > > > > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 07:53 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 18:24:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16C483BECA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:24:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=uSaMzeFkXfoI/NR8uAFJsHNUoFvcmxZAaGbM6PUc1lk=; b=wsxT0FvTaw6UgoB+1IjOtoFh0JkPYqrRUvbOcVVWayx8qKpi607+gLJpqFxArpthV/ 4e6o1tJh739K06So/Ivg75zqJlfU6P3QSZkxMLYypc6UGbRcNvi0A4g9bsj7i8LWZ4gO HO4ECOfI+MEVlz43CZl8CQlAcNL7OEAXUHnrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=vGbN8N4z8gy7yaznxWj/14Y9n7y4kWj1WejKB4Pjb5du+z77gU4oHySwwyYgnpR2GI RTrJfSqoRrWYwS9fv6to0H50GK2MgqhoWzBkwpKzVBO/LXXcs5UkM0J7q7laolGLIhu9 qbyDbYNu67bxwszO6p0YB1q2/Ke0oGFbXxN74= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> References: <491866C3.6030203@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0BC630D8-EACA-4BAB-9FAC-92AA38ADDBE6@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:24:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:24:23 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 10, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Shayne Cafferata wrote: > the h4 was sitting an arm's length away from me on a table about > 25' in front of the band. I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplification from the table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it would help? regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 19:19:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 754A13BEC9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HCYPLd4MyjHGJZV3NEAzDdwT4bWfehbJYy1hn/YGa18=; b=xgP74MVUsyVKwcoOs8VBJL+tnsVEVJKihp2bPU7mWttpKO25mCZ4zDt0e3fudGISOY dpGwuIqmhwKB1InZdhNCvDDy2dseNPtalnurai8IqH3Gs0BvOxsmnZ8pS4L8UbIemR/s /F7graq6AE1dTTiRpfJ/LIVXOUfKK5VEy2n24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=vWbNwOXDeDjT07ibkwZ00msnvqEcXtilhHtUi/o63xD9QZmfOD7wUu64zWv63XmOLY ECgxMrv4n11dojGFcF49hqsWreDpk8jh9UIUyoNnT28w1jcL6RoQtC+BDFL0W1iBhfSv foEA9dfKMiO6aDEgWOVZpfZhEx4gmUHw0Bd34= Message-ID: <588ce11d0811101119p21bd6251hc23167dbc8bddcd5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:19:10 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811101003m3fa6875ep16e7e9af633c97e7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811101003m3fa6875ep16e7e9af633c97e7@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:19:12 +0000 (UTC) I probably sound like an apologist for Microsoft, but these days Vista is fine. I still prefer XP, but it's not worth the trouble of removing Vista, it works comparably to XP (provided drivers of course). The exciting thing in Vista for audio users is WaveRT audio drivers, which provide much better latency (around 2ms!) than anything on XP, MacOS or Linux. Unfortunately, they don't seem to exist for most hardware and software applications yet. If Ableton added WaveRT support, it would be very cool. > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: >> >> I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue. >> -- Art Simon simart@null.net art.simon.tripod.com myspace [dot] com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 19:44:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFF983BECD; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:44:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WI5zMj7KLOLdDu0TbpOfjDVrxUwb58AJa0NY8d21few=; b=RNe5UA2Seo22fV/1sepj4MYkvWcx5tM+DSLs4Dsbf0gL+wjUcqPgr23Cfut6qQbsut KgctnBFW/nc+J0NgY2udP/DwrfELli68WOXamde+7QdUi0fskr1oq+365MTeXaMqoVo8 8kc+HWWN1RA3DCKSBnM9R+Rrz1QhAO7o4HQt4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GTDr8WinlpZHOGuKchbAtpY8dF+VdTQ2/pkzeFazRxIxTM+jrOhnUyPVi4wDLukS7c bKNSxQvgL9aMm7YdhzzLbzVZtdSREWeCpgL8MsZmk4VzXttLbwwMXZ5cOFV/6UJt+MiR seM8S+8VVuf+ug+K5rSHB9XViN8utIi0CANN8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:44:05 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <002501c94360$716ed4a0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <1f6442e00811100555k2d8f39dbt6bd22063eaf7726a@mail.gmail.com> <49185D29.4010208@tiscali.co.uk> <002501c94360$716ed4a0$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:44:07 +0000 (UTC) For my fellow aestheticians.... Human Bodies, Computer MusicHuman Bodies, Computer MusicBob OstertagLeonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure (2002), pp. 11-14 I found the whole notion of aesthetic issues surounding live looping in the relationship between the body of the performer and the hyper-instrument (if that term apllies) of the looper. The aspect of performance gestures are emphasied therby opposing a dominant poular aesthetic of a disembodied sound. In the refrnce just cited , Bob has the best written definiton of virtuaosity ive seen. "Art work is a success only if the body ily presnce is felt., if not it is a failure.... He thinks this an important insight:. It is closely related to the issue of virtuaosity by whitch he means. wha happens when someone acquires such facility with an instrumnet or painbrush,, or with anything physically manipulable, that an intelligence and creativity is actualy written into the artists muscles bones and blood and skin and hair. It stops residing only in the brain and goes into the fingers and muscles and arms and legs. His reference to the quote about art is only a success when the physical presnse of a perforer can be felt,, if not it is a failure. I found rather ironic. Live loopers seem to skirt on that edge of failure, or as per says, "my music is.......and sometimes a complete failure". The whole notio of the failures of technology is the central comcept behind glitch music (or post industrial to use cascone terms" and the glitch aesthetic is a very prominant loop within this cmmunity. Apologies for msuicologist babble. best to chuck it into the computer instead of at the wife :) Byron On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Ricky Graham wrote: > Absolute gold, Byron. > > Thanks, > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Byron Howell" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 4:20 PM > Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool > > > Got a bunch of them somwhere in the depths of this hard drive. > > Here a phd thesis i found: > > http://digital.library.unt.edu/permalink/meta-dc-3936:1 > > LIVE SAMPLING IN IMPROVISED MUSICAL PERFORMANCE: THREE > APPROACHES AND A DISCUSSION OF AESTHETICS > Jeffrey Martin Morris, B.A., M.M. > Dissertation Prepared for the Degree of > DOCTOR OF MUSICAL ARTS > UNIVERSITY OF NORTH TEXAS > > August 2007 > > Also...\ > > http://haste.dk/tue/articles/thesis-andersen05.pdf > > not live looping focused tho > > this one.... > ive Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music > Written Research Project > by Darren Perry > BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices > Dartington College of Arts > April 2008 > (don't think it's online) > > Search the archives, he poste the thesis in chaoter form to list and > then posted it on a file share site for people to download. > > On the aspect of the one man band concept: > > robotcowboy: A One-Man Band Musical Cyborg DANIEL WILCOX IT UNIVERSITY > OF G OTEBORG > G OTEBORG UNIVERSITY AND CHALMERS UNIVERSITY OF > TECHNOLOGY > Goteborg, Sweden 2007 > > > A linguistic spin on loops.... > > > Citation Information. Folia Linguistica. Volume 39, Issue 1-2, Pages > 197=96212, ISSN (Online) 1614-7308, ISSN (Print) 0165-4004, DOI: > 10.1515/flin.2005.39.1-2.197, 23/06/2005 > Published Online: 23/06/2005 > Abstract > Loops as Genre Resources > Glenn Stillar > > > Curently in the throws odf finishing off my honours thesis, also got > way to side tracked into the mata metaphorical framework of loops and > cybernetic perception than music looping. Not sure whther to write > the project up as an anthopological investigation and report of this > community or my practice setup. Aahh the pererls of not having clear > research boundaries. Maybe if i had done a science degree of some > sort..... > > If i pluck up the courage, Ill post that through soon. > > Byron > > > > > > > > On 11/10/08, andy butler wrote: >> >> hi Kayla, >> worth looking here: >> >> http://www.livelooping.org/ >> some more recent stuff from Matthias Grob, >> and a research paper too. >> >> >> ...and there's this >> Live Looping: The Use of Looping Technology in Music >> Written Research Project >> by Darren Perry >> BA (Hons) Music with Digital Arts Practices >> Dartington College of Arts >> April 2008 >> (don't think it's online) >> >> Also Ricky Graham (list member) is currently working on a Phd research >> paper. >> >> >> >> good luck >> >> andy butler >> >> >> >> >> Kayla Kavanagh wrote: >> >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use= > >> > of >> live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own >> right. I would appreciate any links you might have on scholarly articles >> which refer to this area or anything else that may be relevant. I've >> checked >> out the links on the LD site and have them bookmarked, so if you know of >> any >> others (or have written anything yourself) please could you pass the lin= ks >> my way? >> > >> > Many thanks for your help! >> > >> > Kayla >> > >> > -- >> > Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com >> > MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh >> > FaceBook: >> http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 >> > Kaleidoscope Web Design: >> http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk >> > >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1779 - Release Date: 10/11/200= 8 > 07:53 > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 20:32:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16F613BECD; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ufGNb4ZRaFUJl5iKrkVwqfp4HZl9HbHo5tHu2YMemv8=; b=fJXdvlAZTwmyZRlstaLIpOIBxWS+e/uXtzmdApBbrfKJD30GWhckMWfxvCpONIkGIv +LI3ZGYDnRBzgmuzdsjMPHy9oX+werRFi0JDwxEtJNd7jLyI7+2zxc/HXwUCQxKEitta yDHsllFi75QLICfiwiFROyDP2vKI+BXN8KHLc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=iI3x5hVPfPocNfj/qV4uUrl9Bg+w/V2ywACCpPjXErU6B+QH6vjoYRXktct9XE+8QG +KaYvdyuom9ntHO9zOosPq5WdS5roAmDJFovAON335XkrtO13KUoxWzJvbbeTfqVGKdo yTm/uEDxkCZqJyRCGQrWATIm/DNSQlfj5JEG8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:32:02 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0811101119p21bd6251hc23167dbc8bddcd5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811101003m3fa6875ep16e7e9af633c97e7@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0811101119p21bd6251hc23167dbc8bddcd5@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f2b5c58adeb477e3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) it does? that'd be pretty impressive, since I can get < 2ms latency with CoreAudio and decent samples. I still don't think vista is fine though (and I have to fix it every day so I'd say i'm pretty good with it). glad to hear you are upgrading to xp :) On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Art Simon wrote: > I probably sound like an apologist for Microsoft, but these days Vista > is fine. I still prefer XP, but it's not worth the trouble of removing > Vista, it works comparably to XP (provided drivers of course). > > The exciting thing in Vista for audio users is WaveRT audio drivers, > which provide much better latency (around 2ms!) than anything on XP, > MacOS or Linux. Unfortunately, they don't seem to exist for most > hardware and software applications yet. If Ableton added WaveRT > support, it would be very cool. > >> On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: >>> >>> I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue. >>> > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > art.simon.tripod.com > myspace [dot] com/artsimon > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 20:42:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788783BEC9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=dfCc1SN7EjhxnAO_iTkA:9 a=lN83VxOZk5Us9rh05raiRJtIr9sA:4 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 Message-Id: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Running 2 FCB's a once. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:42:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a midi merge box be a better option? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:00:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB88D3BECA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:59:48 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:00:04 +0000 (UTC) > Was it turned up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it difficult to > judge. > How loud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will compress, > and you won't necessarily be able to tell. The microphone, on the other > hand, does no such thing. ;) > I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplification from the > table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it would help? yeah, it was pretty loud. i don't do sound a whole lot, but when i'm doing a band that plays loud i like to give them as much volume as i can without compromising clarity or bursting eardrums(as in my own). i haven't had any previous negative feedback and usually get compliments. even this gig, people came up after and said it sounded good. this is the first loud gig i've done that's been recorded, so, are everyone's inner ears compressing and we all think it sounds great when really, the recording is evidence of what's actually going on? any tips for mixing a high volume performance? a resonating tabletop sounds plausible too. i'll take care to isolate the h4 next time. thanks, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 875203BECF; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oVwNQ6nqFQ5KYDyXxJhFJVv7Vb3Nak3/NKvlQANQjCA=; b=UCd7VnjxDLhhI3vxOHUIPN6/gn+7yzOQM9COrNcF1CiRm+n64ci7Qqy1PjvLEsw27o SVpJbSSkohUAK+Ovw4v3tfAm0a9pBBiOUO8/hyewo8vhVXuE9kW18D7AswI0UkmP4j/P X2gHOU0zuoL1mrDsb0hVTbGCexYwtodjVrrVM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=G/o9ede7v1VksGnrbS0y3c5+u+kAJWNvI//K40n5EVh1Nb2Dqpb0++PnBECWuMVNQU WZiLyLJ3Qi/VJyL1ZbPjl5TgUsWZfI4OiLusA6oJOXUbmEGPGcrrGmPOVUkzEXeUqEnk dgEcJ7UFEvItOtKFb/AUwcaqDKKrsWV6BZX1o= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811101303t18e602b8xa4b63a4cd8b4017a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:03:03 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running 2 FCB's a once. In-Reply-To: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:03:04 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. > Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a > midi merge box be a better option? I've been using an FCB in a MIDI daisy-chain with a FaderFox LV-1. It worked very well for four or five years until my FCB crapped out. I bought a new FCB and have now been daisy-chaining it the same way for about a year. I know though, from discussions with other FCB users that tend to sequence a lot more MIDI data that the merge function of the FCB can't take too much MIDI streaming. But as I said, my modest use works like a charm; sending only action commands, program change events and some MIDI CC# wailing. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D5B3BEC1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=joU0jMGl54cq0VbcJigA:9 a=ybVK9rIajukKokkwELMA:7 a=DdWuxfJJUwPfG8LaouznlRfBqMAA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=E0t0X0QyNCQA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811101303t18e602b8xa4b63a4cd8b4017a@mail.gmail.com> References: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0811101303t18e602b8xa4b63a4cd8b4017a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2351FB4F-71CD-4D52-B80C-9316FC4C92F9@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Running 2 FCB's a once. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:19:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Ah Good to know. Thanks Per! On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: >> Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding >> another. >> Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? >> Would a >> midi merge box be a better option? > > > I've been using an FCB in a MIDI daisy-chain with a FaderFox LV-1. It > worked very well for four or five years until my FCB crapped out. I > bought a new FCB and have now been daisy-chaining it the same way for > about a year. > > I know though, from discussions with other FCB users that tend to > sequence a lot more MIDI data that the merge function of the FCB can't > take too much MIDI streaming. But as I said, my modest use works like > a charm; sending only action commands, program change events and some > MIDI CC# wailing. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > From complete@irs.gov Mon Nov 10 21:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3812 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:21:04 UTC Received: from mail.webade.co.uk (huklonsovded122.hostinguk.net [217.194.215.100]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740693BE46 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([24.89.178.218]) by webade.co.uk with MailEnable ESMTP; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:20:59 +0000 Reply-To: From: "Internal Revenue Service U.S.A." Subject: IRS Survey : $90.00 to your account - Just for your time! 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Survey ID : CFSFYDSLXEVVQDZOKZYNQXSDYNFBZIDHUDTQIT From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:25:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 917D23BEC1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 102493220/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.238.144/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.238.144 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjIBAAc1GElPTu6Q/2dsb2JhbAAIjwC9AINYg0M X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,578,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="102493220" Message-ID: <4918A76C.8090108@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:28:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> In-Reply-To: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Shayne Cafferata wrote: > any tips for mixing a high volume performance? > not really, I'd just say "turn it down" :-) Maybe it's best just to consider that if people liked what you did, then you're getting it right. The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:26:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBA8B3BEC1; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DSqm2OzkCbp6ozn+se9kMOkhddzsjhi0K/UNMZQqkpxP0NHo7aqErP4E8U7DGXvWjBvbgolvua+k+cwyLkUWxEOdUb2+d6tAu9TU6zeU0BLCQvvd2jK5jRwANqy2AG5qmeT9jW+u0h/FdeJGDivNcUJFkshnUL7kDA35pThGxl8=; X-YMail-OSG: zauWHscVM1nwzZq0NH5L0tP7LBpbcRAfhvsA_NXASgZntlSLnfaSz6HYyiO5bPh41U7PFYBmP0FnOXygUwy3FOL6dGHbjWIr801mArqTY1HsGbVc84_erGskhleRNZb7OFi0XHvJYzHrbE_g197UcGpLO4uREAUeOyMpSQoW7CNr6wpe3.5Q2jB4QSc- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.29 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Everyone's ears compress under volume. That's why when you mix a recording,= you need to reference your mix at all levels between quiet and loud. Live = mixing is a bit more difficult because you=A0usually won't have that option= .=0A=0AThe resonating tabletop is also a good call.=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=0A--= --- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Shayne Cafferata = =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Monday, November 10, 200= 8 12:59:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response=0A=0A> Was it turned= up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it difficult to judge.=0A> How lo= ud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will compress, and you = won't necessarily be able to tell. The microphone, on the other hand, does = no such thing. ;)=0A> I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplifica= tion from the=A0 table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it= would help?=0Ayeah, it was pretty loud. i don't do sound a whole lot, but = when i'm doing a band that plays loud i like to give them as much volume as= i can without compromising clarity or bursting eardrums(as in my own). i h= aven't had any previous negative feedback and usually get compliments. even= this gig, people came up after and said it sounded good. this is the first= loud gig i've done that's been recorded, so, are everyone's inner ears com= pressing and we all think it sounds great when really, the recording is evi= dence of what's actually going on?=0Aany tips for mixing a high volume perf= ormance?=0A=0Aa resonating tabletop sounds plausible too. i'll take care to= isolate the h4 next time.=0A=0Athanks,=0Ashayne=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:34:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC6533BEBA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=O3e5jX5H-_QANcfDgPoA:9 a=Mr1xukK9m2d1cMrAS-GHVuzP0OQA:4 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <10FC2FA0-DE4F-40A2-9FF3-51BB12F7D5C7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: In Ear Monitors Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:34:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the input. I decided to go with the M Audio IE40's. And they are a beautiful. It's amazing how much more confident you can be as a player when you hear 100% of everything. Its like lifting a veil. I initially got into IE's to hear click's so I could play parts and then bring in percussion (as opposed to always the other way around). I am getting so much more out of them now. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 21:36:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 551553BEBA; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=QqjCfw3EGhYDvY6T6skA:9 a=mnnMmybWbmKCNAbzXcDcc-q9kw0A:4 a=Hs9J3SXIuHcA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:36:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:36:18 +0000 (UTC) I'm surprised that any Zoom product is even worth mentioning. What I've tried in the past was garbage. But this recorder does get good reviews. On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:26 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > Everyone's ears compress under volume. That's why when you mix a > recording, you need to reference your mix at all levels between > quiet and loud. Live mixing is a bit more difficult because you > usually won't have that option. > > The resonating tabletop is also a good call. > > -George > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Shayne Cafferata > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:59:48 PM > Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response > >> Was it turned up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it >> difficult to judge. >> How loud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will >> compress, and you won't necessarily be able to tell. The >> microphone, on the other hand, does no such thing. ;) >> I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplification from >> the table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it >> would help? > yeah, it was pretty loud. i don't do sound a whole lot, but when > i'm doing a band that plays loud i like to give them as much volume > as i can without compromising clarity or bursting eardrums(as in my > own). i haven't had any previous negative feedback and usually get > compliments. even this gig, people came up after and said it > sounded good. this is the first loud gig i've done that's been > recorded, so, are everyone's inner ears compressing and we all > think it sounds great when really, the recording is evidence of > what's actually going on? > any tips for mixing a high volume performance? > > a resonating tabletop sounds plausible too. i'll take care to > isolate the h4 next time. > > thanks, > shayne > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 22:13:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 566F83BEC4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:13:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=JcvY4f06eVib5IyOFw1EZj6QdrFrl3uXe0LHXUZROpM=; b=RUlaPRBpejM85eXOlc1HBOeBPIc04WRsBwWWqJunGkEyQ6WZXHq+lOb8+sl5KXGGiv bHP/M1vgX8CVJdj9Ia+CgcpvJQVn/NRHT+mJPohO4EuKvinyuCRw88cB9+sKlXReds3Z VKkjMozoDkDY83n5BQgpeWGIW3ZunZy5xN8k8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HpsCCVEe3DFdP+Y4SBUDNeqsgW9TzPcnjbgjKe220IYgUcZ25OUTy6dvFUSLYzkNu/ lKfrmMrOPlUXaY98wIiV8KDJCNiQlpGu3KvOlHr+fmaRYRf+UqMUNw1lslwhFfe9Fo88 OGlDdmZ6TQ+6EHKoLRXCbnM8wsGugnMGJbz4w= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811101413k1e1a292bgc9beb7c8608c1d48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:13:01 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running 2 FCB's a once. In-Reply-To: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41484_25992356.1226355181407" References: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5272cadabc067cdb Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:13:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41484_25992356.1226355181407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Im not doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im doing a simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an old boss drum machine into midi in on the fcb, sending midi notes faster than the human foot can manage. mark On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. > Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a > midi merge box be a better option? > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_41484_25992356.1226355181407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Im not doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im doing a simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an old boss drum machine into midi in on the fcb,  sending midi notes faster than the human foot can manage.

mark

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a midi merge box be a better option?




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------=_Part_41484_25992356.1226355181407-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 22:19:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F383BEC0; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=TVw5up9sNdny+DbHwVBSBdqdqghGCWf5DqGYNNXGI4s=; b=vSmzzJLAKb90Mgy58J8VMj1kxLf58nixEdWuKEFAMz7XPZ2RSapQEZlMwRhXwRnqO8 pcy1LgzI7LWrO6FUJhY4te86gR871diw4clDFSCHUrau89ZI86qJ0+hXfNK1ezp1MkQN 1DCUdAfM8LwPe1gFSu8fIRAXFvAVjIa2wSbjA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Is2zCfoxlcDsg97RERNI+j6myjJI1ItLY25ytPbI31p05sG6VuDKe/1nhRHgs5e15c IHLzjuNfO9Fc/FkoLRPN2HHkJjtdv+Zpy57P1zpZG/Ja7ZgsHW3k0JmdLC8raoM3WQhp AaQWbDKSH1dGVu3RxQ8HkcZLHB5115rPPG/rM= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811101419g1ccb8fafj5a14dc56f6c97a61@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:19:12 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response In-Reply-To: <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41553_1950136.1226355552681" References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f07b8b610e951c15 Resent-Message-ID: <_gmzuB.A.WeC.iNLGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:19:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41553_1950136.1226355552681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can second this... the H$ is a great recorder for the money, the only trouble I have is with wind (as in trouble with the mics, not my bowels - although thats a bit dicky at times too). It seems VERY susceptible to noise from air. Infact its almost impossibe to walk and record without some wind on the mike, even WITH the additional wind sheid fitted. SO very sensitive mikes and placed on a table, sounds like a bad combination to me. m On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I'm surprised that any Zoom product is even worth mentioning. What I've > tried in the past was garbage. But this recorder does get good reviews. > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:26 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > > Everyone's ears compress under volume. That's why when you mix a >> recording, you need to reference your mix at all levels between quiet and >> loud. Live mixing is a bit more difficult because you usually won't have >> that option. >> >> The resonating tabletop is also a good call. >> >> -George >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Shayne Cafferata >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:59:48 PM >> Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response >> >> Was it turned up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it difficult to >>> judge. >>> How loud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will compress, >>> and you won't necessarily be able to tell. The microphone, on the other >>> hand, does no such thing. ;) >>> I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplification from the >>> table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it would help? >>> >> yeah, it was pretty loud. i don't do sound a whole lot, but when i'm doing >> a band that plays loud i like to give them as much volume as i can without >> compromising clarity or bursting eardrums(as in my own). i haven't had any >> previous negative feedback and usually get compliments. even this gig, >> people came up after and said it sounded good. this is the first loud gig >> i've done that's been recorded, so, are everyone's inner ears compressing >> and we all think it sounds great when really, the recording is evidence of >> what's actually going on? >> any tips for mixing a high volume performance? >> >> a resonating tabletop sounds plausible too. i'll take care to isolate the >> h4 next time. >> >> thanks, >> shayne >> >> >> >> >> > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_41553_1950136.1226355552681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can second this... the H$ is a great recorder for the money, the only trouble I have is with wind (as in trouble with the mics, not my bowels - although thats a bit dicky at times too). It seems VERY susceptible to noise from air. Infact its almost impossibe to walk and record without some wind on the mike, even WITH the additional wind sheid fitted. SO very sensitive mikes and placed on a table, sounds like a bad combination to me.

m

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
I'm surprised that any Zoom product is even worth mentioning. What I've tried in the past was garbage. But this recorder does get good reviews.

On Nov 10, 2008, at 4:26 PM, George Ludwig wrote:

Everyone's ears compress under volume. That's why when you mix a recording, you need to reference your mix at all levels between quiet and loud. Live mixing is a bit more difficult because you usually won't have that option.

The resonating tabletop is also a good call.

-George


----- Original Message ----
From: Shayne Cafferata <scafferata@sasktel.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 12:59:48 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response

Was it turned up real loud at the gig? Maybe that made it difficult to judge.
How loud was the gig? If it was very loud, your inner ear will compress, and you won't necessarily be able to tell. The microphone, on the other hand, does no such thing. ;)
I wonder if the H4 have picked up resonance amplification from the  table. Perhaps seating it on a piece of foam to isolate it would help?
yeah, it was pretty loud. i don't do sound a whole lot, but when i'm doing a band that plays loud i like to give them as much volume as i can without compromising clarity or bursting eardrums(as in my own). i haven't had any previous negative feedback and usually get compliments. even this gig, people came up after and said it sounded good. this is the first loud gig i've done that's been recorded, so, are everyone's inner ears compressing and we all think it sounds great when really, the recording is evidence of what's actually going on?
any tips for mixing a high volume performance?

a resonating tabletop sounds plausible too. i'll take care to isolate the h4 next time.

thanks,
shayne








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------=_Part_41553_1950136.1226355552681-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 22:36:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7FE33BEC4; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 974 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:36:37 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qR2PPoKMNYoIsz67/63TJOGtGkUj6f+uVlDOBfpK0izdO3+AqWfnDzg2XS8OgsqC; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27503423.1226355622963.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:20:22 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4845e595e7548955c36237f0e3f34705e0a30146a21c727840350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:36:37 +0000 (UTC) "turnitdown"? TURNITUPP!! fwiw-i play really loud-massive volume is my focus. i recorded @ MERMEN studio in SantaCruz the day before Y2K8- for 5 hrs. i was @ 62 hz. 120db. No EarPlugs!! lofi loop junky in effect! i've never liked earplugs-headphones or anything to mess w/ the physicalness of sound. i have found the sternum/chest cavity to be a great sensor for sound :-) anyway-worx for mi. >S T A N O S A U R< >Shayne Cafferata wrote: >> any tips for mixing a high volume performance? >not really, I'd just say "turn it down" :-) >Maybe it's best just to consider that if people liked what you did, >then you're getting it right. > >The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid >the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't. >andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 10 22:45:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9543BEC9; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gB28bEPOAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=EzJUUNTIAAAA:8 a=fw898Q4sRg9M0izg9hkA:9 a=x0LXAiq7PerQ0y7bC3DVPpg4x-8A:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=6bqG61NMjcsA:10 a=GsC_AcWqwJqNn_gLyw4A:9 a=mnUh5W6ErfafpFP4nMQA:7 a=gLEJZMf5BKEpPQSzqok8PfuS53AA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811101413k1e1a292bgc9beb7c8608c1d48@mail.gmail.com> References: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> <9ab0c76f0811101413k1e1a292bgc9beb7c8608c1d48@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1058196077 Message-Id: <5881F171-AD02-43E6-9316-7AC96796E588@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Running 2 FCB's a once. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:45:06 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:45:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1058196077 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Cool, so you're programming actions for your looper? On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:13 PM, mark francombe wrote: > Im not doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im > doing a simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an > old boss drum machine into midi in on the fcb, sending midi notes > faster than the human foot can manage. > > mark > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell > wrote: > Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding > another. Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the > other? Would a midi merge box be a better option? > > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no --Apple-Mail-1--1058196077 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cool, so you're programming actions for your looper?=A0
On = Nov 10, 2008, at 5:13 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Im not = doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im doing a = simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an old boss drum = machine into midi in on the fcb,=A0 sending midi notes faster than the = human foot can manage.

mark

On = Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net<= /a>> wrote:
Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? = I'm considering adding another. Would you send the midi out of one into = the midi in of the other? Would a midi merge box be a better option?
=



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= --Apple-Mail-1--1058196077-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 00:35:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4219A3BEAE; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=N+IrjVvGEa8xydvNfs1ss1a4OmTJhocwfnF8p1NrUJo=; b=PyKeZ+vzVxjig/ThMLjO0pknSkBFHyeTWGFMZGyG2mZpnFYNvbvv46sBrjfVkF9Hl8 IB5qpVpmD2UhVV2Gxs9qky49hoz4CbOUHzIGGnCZsyjgXv8QHDNZBl/LFABuUxkdEbIu im234BnpLsFGi7aP4anM3AFmeYALwKBTr7TZ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=sdzpRRNIYs3oiLZULeSHtvtkwndwaXyF9IowgCBpUr2NP4nQWXGeqK1Si3JLiMWQGU tN1o/Yviw+JkqHVUwitxye/30zPBNvs9OkAfS6SfRgeqGYUv4BNNVihGBq+/TTfvDder JOlxevZzBbHV9waPs303dXuOXFJtePi0XYUE0= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811101635w617ecd56hb48360ecd39c1c74@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:35:45 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Running 2 FCB's a once. In-Reply-To: <5881F171-AD02-43E6-9316-7AC96796E588@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43400_15502989.1226363745806" References: <59A8223D-DCBB-45B7-9306-337F846CDF89@comcast.net> <9ab0c76f0811101413k1e1a292bgc9beb7c8608c1d48@mail.gmail.com> <5881F171-AD02-43E6-9316-7AC96796E588@comcast.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 786853240942fddc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:35:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43400_15502989.1226363745806 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes.. exactly... undos on every 64th note ha ha!! On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Cool, so you're programming actions for your looper? > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:13 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > Im not doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im doing a > simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an old boss drum > machine into midi in on the fcb, sending midi notes faster than the human > foot can manage. > > mark > > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell < > midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. >> Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a >> midi merge box be a better option? >> >> > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_43400_15502989.1226363745806 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes.. exactly... undos on every 64th note ha ha!!

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Cool, so you're programming actions for your looper? 

On Nov 10, 2008, at 5:13 PM, mark francombe wrote:

Im not doing this Chris, but Im certain it should be no problem, Im doing a simerlar thing, but in place of a Second FCB Im pluggin an old boss drum machine into midi in on the fcb,  sending midi notes faster than the human foot can manage.

mark

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
Anyone have any experience using 2 FCB's? I'm considering adding another. Would you send the midi out of one into the midi in of the other? Would a midi merge box be a better option?




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www.looop.no




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------=_Part_43400_15502989.1226363745806-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 03:07:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04F4C3BEB9; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=i04kWlqAQB1C/Yhle+KW2wwNSS1EnAN9SusqQebiiPE=; b=LaeaLU7UQ0hMXWZZospcG9fQgsOsO07ELNNdTUC1cntyD5H/sh3K8fsNAzmTURK+65 tqlywyFbf3YHlRZhPYcrwpH/FBi0Hk4CM1llL+nKsjRU4YeLCUEnjmtCUL2dYMacMnYq h/sXKKwNtDIDQYyItje8ZmmLuvBG/eAAaBW/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dLVlYjUi5cHTZAZzuWlKlSWF+JVZsGhQnHc3HCVWp9hpz9PgxqJFbn1fA6l45nfcGS Ry/nKP75cThwxGw6p7KnFltYVFJPWnXrBjRmEvb2MkiXkjwXXcxIZj8j9fznK9f8Zne8 4Ix7Fe1nFrI1Rjb+iKGPiTtnc6VD9t8L27AKI= Message-ID: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:07:28 -0600 From: "Timothy Miller" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller to work Gibson EDP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75691_14618065.1226372848192" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:07:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_75691_14618065.1226372848192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP: http://www.music123.com/Behringer-FCB1010-MIDI-Footcontroller-182469-i1125206.Music123 I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses. ------=_Part_75691_14618065.1226372848192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP:


I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses.
------=_Part_75691_14618065.1226372848192-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 06:13:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19BB63BEB6; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:13:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=d16uSp8E0K1Noj+qf1uDSiLp6p7Z3/3Bpx6WJKWeDOs=; b=r8HtFVwfkl1gC+TK+Dqf5AobhbhFZL930y49mefCr3ZSfqBbMW9nCvkoo36v2wEomf xPsPZwKSzqOzqGZmdLllHeF6Na755uqzzFYS8bvHyPEWhNseGH1Bo7bk6p20mIDWs48G mCwFgp9EaTgUcpuzGvF1CUUq6xoaIZ/KMDXbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=mzKwcsf7vOLP1TJ15MOCwoN3pXvTHwe3CrWcTvidlnNNgaSPeU4MaGIh/rrTETppt0 7jXqpC1NyO2NC6tcWdVcq8wyb/FLkQIY5rzn6zTedYj+W5wTdDR2CDOMUo78Fk0fyl/p d8wQTwKw2P1qW8Dl+EFNVZ4jMvAToe96kKOyo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:13:44 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response In-Reply-To: <27503423.1226355622963.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <27503423.1226355622963.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:13:47 +0000 (UTC) When I was a kid, grown-ups would always tell me that I was going to blow my ear drums listening or playing music too loud. Like most kids I didn't listen. I'm not going to blow my ear drums. I can handle it. Then one day I blew my ear drums.... I couldn't hear anything at all for about a week. It took about two weeks for my hearing to start coming back. It's been a year since the accident and I have steady ringing in both ears, asymmetric hearing loss, and some frequencies I will never hear again. Mixing is a real bitch. Heck, even talking on the phone is hard. You can learn how to compensate for the gaps, but it is not the same as the real thing. So now I'm the grown-up telling the kids they're listening to their music too loud. And they don't listen, cause what could I possibly know about music. For a musician, hell is to never hear music again. Watch your levels and protect your ears. -J jefflomas.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 07:14:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC3213BEAE; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=88n5/Tt0CpTFCDomkzEOXBZvNNJ93xCBi5cxRhVQfT4=; b=mXk0F6icSVy+YQP3PRBSRZdZkH3kDjJ1d+wPxM/ZEgNGFCG3lrQZ7GcS393QL4EgCB V0lAm0KFWuIJl3HPGr37MwuSMKhmyNL/vhLhO2IIvWGr0y0JRP38MalhGbppLMW8t1cH C1czHF7En9u5iklwwPqPIW6Tt9Rl8rm4fmyt4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=FmQ5d5XhOMSf/tfViTLVs6NWFI9QHvqCxuks7YjoXoi0mpQUm4B2ZvlbUU3HuShD2f ejXUG0UxREYy6XyZtI0FkwZ54S2RuReWSB6AZmLmKtZiAycWAkZYbaDuCgqA3JbBwQMf KHlL3Mn3IfjZxVzL2XC+9V4u/RVQsf4G129Lw= Message-ID: <333287c30811102314m45eeb854md6c4d700e61c67d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:14:01 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: semi-OT: Operating Systems In-Reply-To: <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_102915_3904939.1226387641115" References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> <7F3279242F5C4AE1A9DFF7C0DB7D758E@MichaelPC> <7E76A26C51DB40779C60EAA250452944@eluk1> <101191640811100943n36cc06c4w10b034800c1c9a52@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:14:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_102915_3904939.1226387641115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use a Dell Inspiron 9400 maxed out, came with Vista, I ripped that fucker out and put xp in. I run ableton, occasionally audiomulch, maxmsp and some vj software simultaneously with multiple midi and usb devices. Never have a problem... nevyn nowhere happyhumans.org On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > This is exactly why i buy Macs for music - the hw works with the sw. I > nearly took a hammer to my last Dell "multimedia-capable" laptop. > > I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. > But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP > partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade > eliminates that issue. > > Warren > > > ------=_Part_102915_3904939.1226387641115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I use a Dell Inspiron 9400 maxed out, came with Vista, I ripped that fucker out and put xp in.  I run ableton, occasionally audiomulch, maxmsp and some vj software simultaneously with multiple midi and usb devices. 

Never have a problem...

nevyn nowhere
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
This is exactly why i buy Macs for music - the hw works with the sw. I nearly took a hammer to my last Dell "multimedia-capable" laptop.

I thought that there was a way you could "downgrade" Vista to XP, built-in. But I don't know about this first-hand, just a rumor. If you make an XP partition, you'll have to find drivers for it - maybe the downgrade eliminates that issue.

Warren



------=_Part_102915_3904939.1226387641115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 07:49:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE0FD3BEB9; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9drri++BnsSEJ5XQLEPkaTpqsRCNdojiodEZpEkhJmI=; b=PmXN9NFPoIIDp8GOmcpdizCOyx1LO9hi8z4afFUi7zC4rGvOCzCQxlv48jfTF/Vumk BFGADYLfF1bNb2sURS2jJXiC55QjaiHS0XNNbvNddyrGUN1tJ9BQA7islw2BxGyTdldH nlPVGTabeRtM/WH75vXfJuX62E59+VUYjOSNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=lKl48yP0S5LUP3CP3lrRHDY2TBaaF1fyUzacw6SLRIvJxLjL/GKtnRofO+mBv4kaQT k9+xc+AFNILaM+WPpfbk3nevidcMrQlUbNtsLJgFMK5dvTzkeTgi/NigU96vT6cnwjO0 XT7ZtiMekvay7g+53iB2/XApzfOCYuXHigQ8s= Message-ID: <207d11220811102349s78cc5590h98c9c8206a1f4def@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:49:37 -0600 From: "Timothy Miller" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller to work Gibson EDP In-Reply-To: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_79004_29379103.1226389777221" References: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7ZnwiB.A.opB.SkTGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:49:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_79004_29379103.1226389777221 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Timothy Miller wrote: > I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP: > > http://www.music123.com/Behringer-FCB1010-MIDI-Footcontroller-182469-i1125206.Music123 > > I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses. > ------=_Part_79004_29379103.1226389777221 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 9:07 PM, Timothy Miller <timmylmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP:


I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses.

------=_Part_79004_29379103.1226389777221-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 08:46:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF4403BEC0; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 106158615/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.196.246/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.196.246 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYBANvUGElPTsT2/2dsb2JhbAAIzHiDV4ND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,583,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="106158615" Message-ID: <49194716.50904@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:49:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:46:25 +0000 (UTC) George Ludwig wrote: > Everyone's ears compress under volume. That's why when you mix a recording, you need to reference your mix at all levels between quiet and loud. Live mixing is a bit more difficult because you usually won't have that option. > > The resonating tabletop is also a good call. hmm, was the H4 on a stand, or just flat on the table top? I'm thinking about the effect of having a mic close to a flat surface, causing an increased bass response. I'd would have thought that if the table itself was resonating you'd hear just a rattle at one note. andy butler > -George From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 08:48:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53923BEAF; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 106159211/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.196.246/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.196.246 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiwBABPWGElPTsT2/2dsb2JhbAAIjwK9e4NXg0M X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,583,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="106159211" Message-ID: <49194791.8000800@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:51:29 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > I'm surprised that any Zoom product is even worth mentioning. you never heard of the legendary Zoom 2100 ? :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 08:55:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 395313BEC1; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=2nI9qFELCneKNg74UuZQxVxJgWRiegJHh2kvMbuR2EM=; b=iqFF5U2Aay8YyLfh6UhJ1Vx3cMOhwLx0LmfqLQSU2NQ4LGQ5W3itzUdp9orv+JI8Fe OrZJlrmXXj4/Npdm+cEVd/TGvvdr2d+NmerWNjHZjGQvjQpDtM44wTKoj3/edDYN0VeF wkQt6ZOmyhvRTzjX/DR9q01SfxWBOCuCXfBFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=KRArtKNldaTTMP7fOwlAwk5k4mwYXanLQCh1ck8pKu5bcMA+NFKhpTpy5J1M6G6VGf u2HxF+AJ5szZCovY3bOYHuFbw5MJkEvWidFf+sYC+x8oI+3+wdFReb1vFRGHjkma3YiT o4DKdoDLsZzyL2wk5y5TXTTJGMxgtIrMWfdhE= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811110055wbcd6ea6lb918967eca67c64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:55:08 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller to work Gibson EDP In-Reply-To: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_49067_22893360.1226393708929" References: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f94ca43e963e2697 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:55:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_49067_22893360.1226393708929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline YOu say "program" but post a link to an FCB footcontrller... thats a bit odd... If its the FCB that you are having trouble with getting to work with EDP, then... http://synchnonsynch.blogspot.com/2006/08/fcb1010-instructions.html If a program... then post that!!! Im interested! On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: > I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP: > > http://www.music123.com/Behringer-FCB1010-MIDI-Footcontroller-182469-i1125206.Music123 > > I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses. > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_49067_22893360.1226393708929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline YOu say "program" but post a link to an FCB footcontrller... thats a bit odd...

If its the FCB that you are having trouble with getting to work with EDP, then...

http://synchnonsynch.blogspot.com/2006/08/fcb1010-instructions.html

If a program... then post that!!! Im interested!



On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Timothy Miller <timmylmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP:


I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses.



--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_49067_22893360.1226393708929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 11:24:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47C193BEBA; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TF7CPmNURci7W3Ge7wUA:9 a=KcPXr-XjeRj5rnP4DNrOYPqLAqsA:4 a=7mayv77iRtYA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <49194791.8000800@tiscali.co.uk> References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <160073.86110.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <5CAC457F-9E0B-493D-A297-F20E5715E118@comcast.net> <49194791.8000800@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A5E2E86-FD70-4E50-B4AA-78CBFB1C348E@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:24:18 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 11:24:20 +0000 (UTC) You're joking right? On Nov 11, 2008, at 3:51 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Chris Sewell wrote: >> I'm surprised that any Zoom product is even worth mentioning. > > you never heard of the legendary Zoom 2100 ? > > :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:30:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D005D3BEAE; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:30:29 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081111143029.265530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX190en1saJp0XpcOQs7BrTum3obbQSy2+sNUsYzLJD 6p/OOSBrU5S7fSby/vs26khNejj/1mFcbWQg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: NKU/YZDALi50DYE/kWpp+uhrZml1ZBio X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:30:31 +0000 (UTC) > --> Bidule has > - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) I'm not sure if we mean the same thing, but I believe I achieved this also with Live+Sooperlooper. Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:32:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 000953BEA6; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:32:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:33:11 EST Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d23.2cb518e0.364af1a7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:32:01 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d23.2cb518e0.364af1a7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/11/08 6:24:26 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: > You're joking right? > i ain't laffin!.....being a commonsewer of fine sounds the zoom 2100 is boss!.....luv it.....:)m "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. 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(http://pr.atwola.com= /promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=3Dhttp://searchblog.aol.= com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?ncid=3Demlcntussear00000001)<= /HTML> --part1_d23.2cb518e0.364af1a7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:42:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 531C33BEAE; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:42:49 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <4918A76C.8090108@tiscali.co.uk> Message-ID: <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <4918A76C.8090108@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/qkRUAnBXqyZqfJnueHPVvg/UYCHlrLIcDW1bRQX MULi1tIasJx3QMmnPmDFcWIvNxz9k50WtQYg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 0a4qffsVf2IsBP5yl21opbl4dWxlcxZc X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:42:51 +0000 (UTC) > The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid > the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't. Yes, please take this seriously. I know tons of people who had this problem. There are also really good plugs that reduce the volume very accurately, without changing the frequency balances. Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 14:48:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9C93BE91; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 362 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:48:20 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=1Lk7u0FF7I0jNySRdz6EICPNM7Dwy4OrX16+0rSYQGI=; b=Y6wTCqwfTqkMKhaO6cery7BhGSP+VSCh7yyGEyV8uXuSQhYUJTWq4Oi+TnqAhxjJta uCoBq7UX3N2wrZBDa2aW53qP/BKFJ9/+IPcK5CgXRQK+4tjSZfwdaJ3E8z1NepopGHEV 7e31DeLG7Ek6yK9WLaIfQpqIgjvCGOxUCImxM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ahqqkPb0uDVaD+RNoyzUOLCECk3c73TYzNoNoNtBp5U3NbqMxZrzb3bSM2Ew4yb8Jj DRBfkmYyNoRKQYHGiJrBhFsSkiJhZVoSvZ821b4qTl34FWLg2NpTdce1xrJvRC25Uf9s 0Qroi4FOwFn/dPuhfShxsY3aaasnPcOZcOnow= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811110636x6b23f939g1ca78cc1c269f6c9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:06 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live vs Bidule In-Reply-To: <20081111143029.265530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081107182434.139F23BE94@arsenic.violacea.com> <006201c94110$df6c2ae0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <66f9cc1e0811071152p6aa16e76qdc159825bd3a6f4c@mail.gmail.com> <20081111143029.265530@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:48:20 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> --> Bidule has >> - Let's you run a plug-in looper as the sync master (1st loop set tempo) > > I'm not sure if we mean the same thing, but I believe I achieved this also with Live+Sooperlooper. > Buzap I have achieved that as well, but it's not working well until Ableton fixes the smoothing of received MIDI Clock tempo in Live. So I don't regard it a serious option. Bidule on the other hand, does pass exactly the received tempo to the other hosted plug-ins. Of course always a little late, since "playing constant catching up game" is part of the restriction built into the MIDI Clock format, but I'm fine with that. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 15:08:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DC5E3BE7C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:08:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Z6EczcLVxhfg0moV4M93WGfVVCI62z1AaidxF8DZoDo=; b=rN09fGLb/HoOZ6Iryqw3eQu8TR8PRBhPGlkjKR7xGKECqgRyaZvZLfWaYCY4jMITUI plxajM5ZVNioIOo24DxGaqr/g3lEfPt+bz0qPjleUbvGbNJ22NloWNVjkm5/cX/QDc7O UlKe+5+VxfAraTi0TBZ7fPVrgQJDCWx8W1HQU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=wVTkgGZ8xBKP8pD/HN3gNDdK98lsr/5DW1H49CB/VP8cTWzZ4YfXJL3J/Mw10Vj62v aQnTN/N5njG/qmCsKPne4P+9QyANhPP0iZqq284IBNnhDPdoZQIvB7d3bDlrEvo4o2JD ZovKEFIJUAVK6dtMRl4h+RGFAb0uwJx3LD5Qo= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:08:44 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response In-Reply-To: <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_50385_17631705.1226416124760" References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <4918A76C.8090108@tiscali.co.uk> <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:08:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_50385_17631705.1226416124760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been quite happy with my H4 for the last year or so and haven't found it to be bass-heavy. However, proximity to a flat surface can certainlyl introduce a bass hump to the recording. Try standing right next to the wall in a rehearsal room and notice how woofy everything gets compared to three feet into the room. And regarding loud shows mixing high volume performances, here are some guidelines for "too loud" that I found posted somewhere: ----------------------- If the club owners says, "turn it down." Then you are too loud. When the bartenders say, "we can't here the drink and food orders." Then you are too loud. When the whole front end of the club moves away from the band to the back of the club. You are too loud. When you find that making little quips like "too loud? too old" get you all giggly and excited, you are too loud. When the clarity, dynamics and seperation all mush into a muddled drone, you are too loud. When you don't know the difference, you're too loud. When you haven't been on the circuit long enough to realize that the bands getting all the work aren't too loud, you're too loud. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid > > the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't. > > > ------=_Part_50385_17631705.1226416124760 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've been quite happy with my H4 for the last year or so and haven't found it to be bass-heavy.  However, proximity to a flat surface can certainlyl introduce a bass hump to the recording.  Try standing right next to the wall in a rehearsal room and notice how woofy everything gets compared to three feet into the room.

And regarding loud shows mixing high volume performances, here are some guidelines for "too loud" that I found posted somewhere:

-----------------------
If the club owners says, "turn it down." Then you are too loud.

When the bartenders say, "we can't here the drink and food orders." Then you are too loud.

When the whole front end of the club moves away from the band to the back of the club. You are too loud.

When you find that making little quips like "too loud? too old" get you all giggly and excited, you are too loud.

When the clarity, dynamics and seperation all mush into a muddled drone, you are too loud.

When you don't know the difference, you're too loud.

When you haven't been on the circuit long enough to realize that the bands getting all the work aren't too loud, you're too loud.


On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:

> The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid
> the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't.



------=_Part_50385_17631705.1226416124760-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 15:57:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDE513BE80; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=YcyOnbTPgiKSeMI2p4fyrWTnTt1VzrkjqNAT+RMQADg=; b=lkyOaYayshZkOEFR2q0aXiVUxCSl5Krdp5Ug7+59uZHsoxzYF7eN4MEf0lCugDwolr gyVZ9Bq197dhOIyQOoAYy96Tqg1+kL8B1AG66/vxO9myUxztcON79pIVC6F1frac/VJp +IyRS5Vh+IYqB3RmPzeW79EHAbvJHrwAY0XNw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=k8UbITaV8Qwhp9PpWfABW9D/zk61jwP5NS3reVoE4TNcoDISfmpK6khjXtng6g4T5T m6jHqijhuVzJJPHIvJB0RUA+hQvmOQxtPeWqpm8FZb+C+7MvmO/kyURPY1x/P7YF9A4e DG7UJd4kJsNBqy3hVC6Jy7DBmC6ew84oUDc9k= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811110757r7e54f7c0l598bcb816bc3606e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:57:19 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Mac G3 Notebook device question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56799_23046498.1226419039556" Resent-Message-ID: <4vipv.A.voH.itaGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:57:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_56799_23046498.1226419039556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Does anyone know if there is any driver written to get a USB (My Essentials brand) wireless recognized on Jaguar 2.8 running on a Mac GS Notebook? Jaguar seems to support airport but though my Apple Sys Profiler acknowledges the device is in the port not sure that the motherboard supports it or does anyone know this as well? Thanks Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_56799_23046498.1226419039556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Does anyone know if there is any driver written to get a USB (My Essentials brand) wireless recognized on Jaguar 2.8 running on a Mac GS Notebook?  Jaguar seems to support airport but though my Apple Sys Profiler acknowledges the device is in the port not sure that the motherboard supports it or does anyone know this as well?
 
Thanks
 
Jim

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Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_56799_23046498.1226419039556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 16:08:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E9B53BE8A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4919AE13.7070700@hevanet.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:08:51 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response (hearing oddities) References: <4918A0C4.4000108@sasktel.net> <4918A76C.8090108@tiscali.co.uk> <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: >> The only good tip I can give you is get some good earplugs, and avoid >> the tinnitus which will unavoidably plague you if you don't. >> > > Yes, please take this seriously. I know tons of people who had this problem. > There are also really good plugs that reduce the volume very accurately, without changing the frequency balances. > > Buzap > Talkin' ears: my tinnitus is an annoying hiss, but here's an additional something: I seem to perceive a 1/2 step higher pitch in my left ear! I don't really notice it usually (seems like it would really mess up my music enjoyment, but it doesn't)...but recently on the phone, my friend is playing a riff, and says it's a D, and I play the note here on several instruments and I get a D#...and after a while switch the phone to my right ear, and suddenly it IS a D! Mystery solved! Hmmm... David > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 16:35:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54A13BE8D; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=shvmBHm60ip5mVoMl1tn5hGWk/VbjF87NOaWtTKf5lmtO4r52sigp0lc4OtN0PqB9Yr5tAdgtyt9mEIReqcGooQ3Fy1cE6y8kMNyFjH8dFnKMEjOCjrRwTqVlmxfy32owZkkXLR44CbjUlxsT/8sc076scHQJb43e05aG41E6K4=; X-YMail-OSG: rHVomUgVM1kiAq74deumJzQqWgZA3m3hzfHGoXPtPTDedX60xOkGXErPCzvhFU2lH2WIZbkUcUuY5bAqYTYDsQDr74kVD5.6bjyTKTAmTspH8psIhqnARTVtzZZagM5VvV_8TmY.EmFESz2k8ahlO1bPWnbEph9mG5uNJtcK X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081110174038.764C73BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2116722634-1226421352=:82505" Message-ID: <545874.82505.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:35:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-2116722634-1226421352=:82505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting stuff there! liked the video too. i wasn't sure if anyone saw this, but the line 6 m-13 and boss slicer pedal got a review in the last (or latest?) guitar world mag (ok this is sad, i can't even remember the cover person, boy i'm brain dead).. they just really mentioned that the m-13 pedal has the option to use looper at anytime in it, didn't go in depth at all. and the slicer pedal just said it could chop up samples in different patterns & was good for inspiration and that any body interested in experimenting it's a good tool. again, i think the review is geared at "more conventional players" as most gear is in major publications.... i've been enjoying playing around w/ my new setup (gtr-zoom g2-digitech rp150-ibanez de7 delay-digitech synthwah- boss rc20-lexicon mx200-out...definately loving the reverb options of the lexicon, had missed that for quite awhile. i will say that i like the simplicity of the boss rc-20, and not being tied to a time frame is different for me (used to 12 sec on old dod d12, or set time of delay pedals), and for me the 5 min of recording time of the original is plenty. I like the option of the reverse button, can get weird sounds real fast w/ that, i guess my only grip is i wish you could slow down or speed up the samples w/ a twist of a knob, the tap tempo option doesn't really seem to work much for what i want it to do, but i nitpick, for the most part it fits my needs.... lastly... OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the item #'s are: 140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris) 140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street) some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of looping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the "experimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going.....sorry for the OT, figured these may be of interest to someone on here... back to looping.....s--- --0-2116722634-1226421352=:82505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting stuff there! liked the video too.

i wasn't sure if anyone saw this, but the line 6 m-13 and boss slicer pedal got a review in the last (or latest?) guitar world mag (ok this is sad, i can't even remember the cover person, boy i'm brain dead).. they just really mentioned that the m-13 pedal has the option to use looper at anytime in it, didn't go in depth at all. and the slicer pedal just said it could chop up samples in different patterns & was good for inspiration and that any body interested in experimenting it's a good tool. again, i think the review is geared at "more conventional players" as most gear is in major publications....

i've been enjoying playing around w/ my new setup (gtr-zoom g2-digitech rp150-ibanez de7 delay-digitech synthwah- boss rc20-lexicon mx200-out...definately loving the reverb options of the lexicon, had missed that for quite awhile.
i will say that i like the simplicity of the boss rc-20, and not being tied to a time frame is different for me (used to 12 sec on old dod d12, or set time of delay pedals), and for me the 5 min of recording time of the original is plenty. I like the option of the reverse button, can get weird sounds real fast w/ that, i guess my only grip is i wish you could slow down or speed up the samples w/ a twist of a knob, the tap tempo option doesn't really seem to work much for what i want it to do, but i nitpick, for the most part it fits my needs....


lastly...

OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the item #'s are:


140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris)

140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street)


some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of looping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the "experimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going.....

sorry for the OT, figured these may be of interest to someone on here... back to looping.....

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--0-2116722634-1226421352=:82505-- From musaalhaji142@gmail.com Tue Nov 11 18:07:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 78184 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:07:20 UTC Received: from mail.net1.net (mail.net1.net [216.139.64.36]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C95C3BE7C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([212.100.69.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.net1.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAAKLF6o096662; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:21:26 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200811102021.mAAKLF6o096662@mail.net1.net> Reply-To: From: "Alhaji Abdul Musa." Subject: Be my partner in this transaction. Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:22:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 081110-1, 11/10/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Sir, I was the former chairman/stakeholder of the controversial (PTDF) the pretroleum technology development fund meant for the development of Niger Delta in Nigeria. Please,follow the TREND via CNN.Note we were indicted along with the former vice president of Nigera Alhaji Atiku Abubakar for fraud amounting to billions of Dollars in which one of the then member of the U.S CONGRESS Williams Jefferson was involved in abusing his office by transacting private business in Nigeria on pernsonal capacity. However,I have the sum of $75m U.S to save into foreign company account but until now i have not been able to get someone that i could trust to work with. Please,don't report me to the authority if you are not interested in this proposal.I am taking a refuge somewhere close to Nigeria. More update will follow after your response. Alhaji Abdul Musa. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 18:41:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBAAE3BE8A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Xx2a1k6+DHfrnMAG/8ziJq7B/SriD1540P3180sHBV8=; b=C6E3NYpgK3pNAeZ4MlsNAp9KM4sdxvDnODbdHHViRTeqmWd5/4l1z/c/HfjS77KdgW 3AQ65PQ78MLBqcQu+mB8oW6khxefBX4toUI8VejL6KW/WdvPIr1Lsp5IN1yjVGa7+y5D UEVqRZqL8rQStqIZ619y2AcbXBO5C9o93I/w4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=V964U1SSljyP5waCXlVrlPJHi4frnJw0LPCHnWBgrLHIQr8/WIgWtOaacFtQwXigdb 0QGLpmMlJuZr53bDdXsrBCUfbl7Fxjj3d50HlGM52hjjDdCjjYf0YeDcgranWQsxF7Kt IEBn40J66gDt/d//pVjdcIfIn4H1D12MMEFpA= Message-ID: <207d11220811111041n78223891m521f14df3b08c7dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:41:33 -0600 From: "Timothy Miller" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Behringer FCB1010 MIDI Footcontroller to work Gibson EDP In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811110055wbcd6ea6lb918967eca67c64@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85013_33481007.1226428893222" References: <207d11220811101907r5ba5aa13g3fe75100b00a9427@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811110055wbcd6ea6lb918967eca67c64@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7yLH8D.A.wVG.fHdGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:41:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85013_33481007.1226428893222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well I mean to get it to work with the EDP. That's what I meant by program. Sorry for the confusion. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:55 AM, mark francombe wrote: > YOu say "program" but post a link to an FCB footcontrller... thats a bit > odd... > > If its the FCB that you are having trouble with getting to work with EDP, > then... > > http://synchnonsynch.blogspot.com/2006/08/fcb1010-instructions.html > > If a program... then post that!!! Im interested! > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Timothy Miller wrote: > >> I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP: >> >> http://www.music123.com/Behringer-FCB1010-MIDI-Footcontroller-182469-i1125206.Music123 >> >> I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses. >> > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > ------=_Part_85013_33481007.1226428893222 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well I mean to get it to work with the EDP. That's what I meant by program. Sorry for the confusion.

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 2:55 AM, mark francombe <mark@markfrancombe.com> wrote:
YOu say "program" but post a link to an FCB footcontrller... thats a bit odd...

If its the FCB that you are having trouble with getting to work with EDP, then...

http://synchnonsynch.blogspot.com/2006/08/fcb1010-instructions.html

If a program... then post that!!! Im interested!




On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Timothy Miller <timmylmiller@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm trying to get this program to work my Gibson EDP:


I've never done this before, so I hope I get some detail responses.



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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
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www.looop.no

------=_Part_85013_33481007.1226428893222-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 18:49:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C68DB3BE8A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=miLY3ojH8Wqb3iPlp0/hfyvm8YqeQDQI542t6nBc4A8=; b=Pe/71RL3Bd0h+EmZAbUuBex04Ons1LYfN6efaBDrfhcLxwPC142P377lX6or6r9rUG 3ZQi/oukyd1FuzrFo4XYJaUy7ENS7/mQDBmmSmnlhbh18Iiz/tB7SYTmEX0pdnc4bRra mRUu2yZlA4ZQBF8ruVajxMe7/6et1UYAFQvV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iBIMxyIaQNwqVRH3X2zA9ZtutTv86LYpUCDIh//4RDfABl/Nh8mdv/a8sBV5QFmBMC uIZglxv3d8fVUjph9YDpuPqNO4ty3nYrUMuOtk0LFjEGxtUHI2dkLYTbmir8aeiHyAz2 tFGpCUnkG48Vyv2y9eeZAsgUXbtNwvZisIPjY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:48:59 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mac G3 Notebook device question In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811110757r7e54f7c0l598bcb816bc3606e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e0440a60811110757r7e54f7c0l598bcb816bc3606e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Jim, I've never heard of anyone setting up wifi on a mac except with an airport card -j On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 6:57 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Does anyone know if there is any driver written to get a USB (My Essentials > brand) wireless recognized on Jaguar 2.8 running on a Mac GS Notebook? > Jaguar seems to support airport but though my Apple Sys Profiler > acknowledges the device is in the port not sure that the motherboard > supports it or does anyone know this as well? > > Thanks > > Jim > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 18:54:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4340C3BE8A; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3i4JnoNPCBKlDFRZZeiRhMU4vq122NKHWUHyYIl4Jgs=; b=QRcYmnpflE3qrzPoJvyFjYJ4WIGkUZG2hojMjj+yrtyLwvJtXH+O+rsK0zUxJtAot5 LQYZ1P9DjJBPkbG4bha4/rrnLuoQT6JNqyeC1lkutxyV5cJAqyA9tNi4EgWFbEpGcnk2 woX7mpW3zPYeH/yXJEoKLpI3FFOcu2M700dCc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=U7I5NDWSZld36ktRF/Qi1Sy+zyKkNqd/b1mQ7GlQwSQiGGcUoCl2tRFaQJhzK48z69 slcFEEC3k75Gsi0uOgEDceb1xo4DojutyU/M0eJJQiQDw+KU9v/FRVZ9sOOtwxtxgOnu 0QtC5noY0Qo093QmX+zaVZqj0Zev+9Zb5x51o= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:54:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mac G3 Notebook device question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52558_22899513.1226429697616" References: <9e0440a60811110757r7e54f7c0l598bcb816bc3606e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:54:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52558_22899513.1226429697616 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I used to use some 3rd party wireless card on a G3 Powerbook like...eight years ago, but it connected via the PCM buss. There were drivers online. On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > Jim, > I've never heard of anyone setting up wifi on a mac except with an airport > card > > ------=_Part_52558_22899513.1226429697616 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I used to use some 3rd party wireless card on a G3 Powerbook like...eight years ago, but it connected via the PCM buss.  There were drivers online.



On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim,
I've never heard of anyone setting up wifi on a mac except with an airport card


------=_Part_52558_22899513.1226429697616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 19:10:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34B973BE8F; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=V69VSzB1/Awxst8JelEx+12875fRpQoVM2nnbLOOcyw=; b=bpulGe081tDEpe1oYfnBHc6a9J6RdarH7urRdB1EaOVSEst7xaSWr28R2REA+/H0jg Ua3aFJuiPasK9rnYd0pTWTHjNRCHO2gfursm3ZllKp06Uyi08AQDmfTFzWbKhbstY/zi VsCmPXPoDoyCYphnNJmDZuxuaj9TDglWYCNGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ngTJQIV5PKSsue6TOtV4DVQZqLWLUdJUAi7jr2EgiWjOSNOF3uxyTlEOxnKZfn86Ou nuf5pMcclzkwhXZIaUE3Aar/PZJu9MVkUWbTmjK6Be+e1AMDMkP0Z0yDhWZsB6a+pw3c stiwLXXCEET+RAOP5wMpIGX0MYnzaizfqcNnI= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811111110j3f92ca83he5d4bcc8e569f72a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:10:22 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf In-Reply-To: <545874.82505.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61477_13773788.1226430622749" References: <20081110174038.764C73BED2@arsenic.violacea.com> <545874.82505.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0yuquD.A.LyH.gidGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:10:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_61477_13773788.1226430622749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, was that an older performance DVD? J On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM, scott hansen wrote: > jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting > stuff there! liked the video too. > > lastly... > > OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so > decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the > item #'s are: > > > 140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris) > > 140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street) > > > some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of > looping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the > "experimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going..... > > sorry for the OT, figured these may be of interest to someone on here... > back to looping..... > > s--- > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_61477_13773788.1226430622749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, was that an older performance DVD?
 
J

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:35 AM, scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:
jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting stuff there! liked the video too.

lastly...

OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the item #'s are:


140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris)

140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street)


some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of looping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the "experimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going.....

sorry for the OT, figured these may be of interest to someone on here... back to looping.....

s---





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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_61477_13773788.1226430622749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 19:12:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06F993BE98; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20081111141204.SBUAL.45363.root@mp14> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:12:04 -0500 From: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response In-Reply-To: <20081111144249.265530@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_f-Fm.A.m7H.IkdGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:12:08 +0000 (UTC) > There are also really good plugs that reduce the volume very accurately, without changing the frequency balances. other than the molded 'musicians earplugs', what brand earplugs are you referring to? rich From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 19:13:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEDF13BEA4; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gPyChoCyLL9I3kJ8AtB3s6WdbRmdj7rUt7XG4DcWSG8=; b=hLbOPpjysGX+qkvwDC8fJJ1A96sgJYK3udHaN/YxSUP9AV2vcyOWXdcRSJZ6nI6fu3 STZJaCRXlE4ZAhodogFWp74VMKnJmusKO7JbivNfWvT2UN2B96Q0wk6xVIm0DY9h+TLr n83mr6pD//mcebsR8CuACfvZe++WT4YX6a2Uo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RQ/+/HHlkC9l6yGZDQWmpca0CQsHTYFmVsRqhiBw+ppfH7NW0ObfTzJiC/aZCkqke2 N7pC4gNhZWO/mLBqfWNiWDjH4RJYDF4C6WwcOnIhxejVRVs7NJTAeqa9WHmUj2HhMLPq 1MhReThqvKeQt/w6fFFUxRWXdaNYk7ycogiF0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811111113y6ea17b7ch63608559ee941662@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:13:07 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mac G3 Notebook device question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61543_10575498.1226430787378" References: <9e0440a60811110757r7e54f7c0l598bcb816bc3606e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:13:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_61543_10575498.1226430787378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks guys, I had bought the Belkin/My Essentials this past weekend to try on my wife's desktop (Windows) and she elected to return to hardwire so the yardsale G3 I have didn't have wifi and I thought I'd try it there. Probably it's too mixmatched the install CD only support Tiger which was probably my answer but thought I'd explore minds here. When I can I'll get something newer in the Mac world, presently I have a newr Windows laptop but would like a Macbook at some point. Thanks for the input guys.... On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I used to use some 3rd party wireless card on a G3 Powerbook like...eight > years ago, but it connected via the PCM buss. There were drivers online. > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > >> Jim, >> I've never heard of anyone setting up wifi on a mac except with an airport >> card >> >> > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_61543_10575498.1226430787378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks guys, I had bought the Belkin/My Essentials this past weekend to try on my wife's desktop (Windows) and she elected to return to hardwire so the yardsale G3 I have didn't have wifi and I thought I'd try it there.  Probably it's too mixmatched the install CD only support Tiger which was probably my answer but thought I'd explore minds here.  When I can I'll get something newer in the Mac world, presently I have a newr Windows laptop but would like a Macbook at some point.  Thanks for the input guys....

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I used to use some 3rd party wireless card on a G3 Powerbook like...eight years ago, but it connected via the PCM buss.  There were drivers online.




On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim,
I've never heard of anyone setting up wifi on a mac except with an airport card





--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_61543_10575498.1226430787378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 20:56:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB9283BE80; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=r142hpB1zbRjh5gS0JNyPawL5vcfO/1pMfwkQ0nfEdIN9Eba3hGpIzxXd/qjHV2gFVCpyXmqOdXWyGAPgdFBYyJUulxVtk91Oj8lFpDnAExiOGkuU52CZLgGx2uc3u81MO3xaLRIZXvF9/ZK0WgHMCKWoTVVCi4L6QlPsOeh6PY=; X-YMail-OSG: glrZzcgVM1keoBJ_OiEEw_xFAE9iYD4Grq8dULwqMH3cLIDXUQGRVj98R6TB0DWEDjAPbFMUUkHXOOxb8xZpN4Z4.vt..9Pql2jWEFRqz0cP4.hNXKhjvbLgQNS7bYaUqhBzBO25Lnf_E.pUpONOXkMOdZXFYylXyEDz.IAGVgS9csxnPBxCXbh1zAzk X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:56:42 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1549095124-1226437002=:1695" Message-ID: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:56:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1549095124-1226437002=:1695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim-the hellborg/lane concert is from 2001.=A0 the dvd was released a few y= rs ago i think... s--- ps-i was looking on harmony-central.com classifieds today, there was a line= 6 m-13 and a boss slicer for sale already. i was amazed to see that alread= y.!!!! =A0 Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, was that an older performance DVD? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, scott hansen wrote: From: scott hansen Subject: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuff To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:35 AM jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting stuff = there! liked the video too. i wasn't sure if anyone saw this, but the line 6 m-13 and boss slicer pedal= got a review in the last (or latest?) guitar world mag (ok this is sad, i = can't even remember the cover person, boy i'm brain dead).. they just reall= y mentioned that the m-13 pedal has the option to use looper at anytime in = it, didn't go in depth at all. and the slicer pedal just said it could chop= up samples in different patterns & was good for inspiration and that any b= ody interested in experimenting it's a good tool. again, i think the review= is geared at "more conventional players" as most gear is in major publicat= ions.... i've been enjoying playing around w/ my new setup (gtr-zoom g2-digitech rp1= 50-ibanez de7 delay-digitech synthwah- boss rc20-lexicon mx200-out...definately loving the reverb options of the lexicon, had misse= d that for quite awhile. i will say that i like the simplicity of the boss rc-20, and not being tied= to a time frame is different for me (used to 12 sec on old dod d12, or set= time of delay pedals), and for me the 5 min of recording time of the origi= nal is plenty. I like the option of the reverse button, can get weird sound= s real fast w/ that, i guess my only grip is i wish you could slow down or = speed up the samples w/ a twist of a knob, the tap tempo option doesn't rea= lly seem to work much for what i want it to do, but i nitpick, for the most= part it fits my needs.... lastly... OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the item #'s are: 140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris)=20 140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street) some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of loo= ping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the "expe= rimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going.....sorry for the OT, fi= gured these may be of interest to someone on here... back to looping.....s-= -- =20 =0A=0A=0A --0-1549095124-1226437002=:1695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Jim-the hellborg/lane concert is from 2001.  the dvd was released a few yrs ago i think...
s---
ps-i was looking on harmony-central.com classifieds today, there was a line 6 m-13 and a boss slicer for sale already. i was amazed to see that already.!!!!
 


Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, was that an older performance DVD?




--- On Tue, 11/11/08, scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: scott hansen <evanpeewee@yahoo.com>
Subject: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuff
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:35 AM

jim-watched your vid of the 5 knaves at the gallery-some interesting stuff there! liked the video too.

i wasn't sure if anyone saw this, but the line 6 m-13 and boss slicer pedal got a review in the last (or latest?) guitar world mag (ok this is sad, i can't even remember the cover person, boy i'm brain dead).. they just really mentioned that the m-13 pedal has the option to use looper at anytime in it, didn't go in depth at all. and the slicer pedal just said it could chop up samples in different patterns & was good for inspiration and that any body interested in experimenting it's a good tool. again, i think the review is geared at "more conventional players" as most gear is in major publications....

i've been enjoying playing around w/ my new setup (gtr-zoom g2-digitech rp150-ibanez de7 delay-digitech synthwah- boss rc20-lexicon mx200-out...definately loving the reverb options of the lexicon, had missed that for quite awhile.
i will say that i like the simplicity of the boss rc-20, and not being tied to a time frame is different for me (used to 12 sec on old dod d12, or set time of delay pedals), and for me the 5 min of recording time of the original is plenty. I like the option of the reverse button, can get weird sounds real fast w/ that, i guess my only grip is i wish you could slow down or speed up the samples w/ a twist of a knob, the tap tempo option doesn't really seem to work much for what i want it to do, but i nitpick, for the most part it fits my needs....


lastly...

OT-since i got a computer, haven't been watching much of my dvds, so decided to try to sell them, they are on ebay, if anyone was interested, the item #'s are:


140281128889-(Shawn Lane/J. Hellborg-Paris)

140281129095-(Derek Bailey-Playing for friends on 5th street)


some interesting playing on both of these (and shawn lane does a bit of looping on parts of the Paris dvd), good to watch and you can debate the "experimental" vs. avant garde, etc debate we had going.....

sorry for the OT, figured these may be of interest to someone on here... back to looping.....

s---



--0-1549095124-1226437002=:1695-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:09:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8AA3BE86; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Stefan Smulovitz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:09:40 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA. While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/ I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than looping but there are many crossovers. I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain". Also using Henri Bergson's concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical musings. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson) My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same. Stefan From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:21:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D87EC3BE84; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+rW8k8JjGkq3D9baA3NlANpTMTNIL3tFYwV3woEX1lQ=; b=Xl0pVPsrtmOeoC3iihB7VgJy/nRN7G0KOaIeYSTUBu//HvvqyegIdaiEvsy9fYRgOw Ej7QWs4jax43UY9YLCre0W/ZfeKcUgGUx/zK3pGkouk3CLqPvRRqhqRKB3SRTvn+dgCq UMXBjIMfLjFmgEu2mNy9o5Mq5E5IbeIbb+Q6w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AeyW/qjGDFahh9ixo86D7/pO+Gx2446c97Gi1W8Vg+xeGMSnqHGeLaJmV5rkajc4pQ +nMa08uIGyK3k1OLqAUyUG7qoaE6RLKRMmG8EeSeLRk7LSfrra+8NHnWfhhb/UUZw3mL EuToa1xMLUO/uW/Ha2qViujVgM6DFYbWs1Uog= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:21:34 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf In-Reply-To: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:21:35 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, scott hansen wrote: > Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your > words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, Jonas Hellborg is live and well. I met him on the Swedish west coast back in may together with list members Mark Francombe and Rick Walker. We played at the same music gear show and Jonas performed with his band Art Metal and also did a great solo set playing just his half acoustic electric bass, doing all kind of weird looping stuff live with his fingers - using no loopers!!! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:42:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36F853BE84; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=tZRwgGrlRg2vIqOHB5CeNzgU3PNDz9ZwjqAotRUyujw=; b=AppBfj33v0ZMqZ8rW2qGHVKJOzfZGko37hMBJO9frSVhxMbLyVDAPn2CvhdCmE/M0N RD1NXxMUnym85tFSUczhtg65QkUCcmGQMsS+tz6EW6O09wKd5EJ6R6jUW/YWVMctpEjf /k6TRnGxm8fBbZCM/ezOYVSSiAFM4YTJh/pug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=PO6JtjMSVwxncCztp1FQ6ae3vy5AfrsHr7/WP6GgCcCYtyjtazkjRVqiwrbLaqh+X/ /fSy/gc4hXmM8Q/nZrthrZnkm5HoyA6xjqtGajoBqGIVKUqgrhDwIsIGscDvaJ82BQNA /m8SaKpGtiyzEgCXx/cZWmWR0T2qbH7R+p0KQ= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811111342v4de25a04p9947c2c1c161a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:42:22 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:42:24 +0000 (UTC) That sounds really great Per. I think at a time he lived in NY as I used to see his name a bit, I've been occasionally working with two countrymen of yours (Peter Thorn and Anders Berg) via file exh as well as NinJam in a project we call JinDream (www.myspace.com/jindream). I hope to get to Sweden one day Per. Jim On 11/11/08, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:56 PM, scott hansen wrote: > >> Scott thanks for taking the time to watch my visuals and thanks re your >> words... I've wondered what became of Jonas Hellburg, > > > Jonas Hellborg is live and well. I met him on the Swedish west coast > back in may together with list members Mark Francombe and Rick Walker. > We played at the same music gear show and Jonas performed with his > band Art Metal and also did a great solo set playing just his half > acoustic electric bass, doing all kind of weird looping stuff live > with his fingers - using no loopers!!! > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:53:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18133BE86; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pB7ZpMzxXTmd5itNDiv2vvPB0cJ2DxE6NVlLFGhZNig=; b=uK5/nVbUc0PWxZYtlrTGefW+JHL+Ai/WZyoZlAXnrFvDNyf8RtXBMrrPsXdoh8kIjP Io6kr6Enpe2QvD7h6q8yPh8gDbcdHOxQnTspe27YU+BkdhENW7zp1dNUqiKZRRZF4o4t o0cs4kuHYD29oMWReeSOazk5V64U08/zR2aBg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YhVUCnq3AC0sZX+V7v2yf+JQdg1Hs+rxJF+3FROoH6c38Hz9P/SR5movpBERuRf+iC BWmcEB3LxO+rXFZt4tJCB0nYbYPV+OfkcJURzJ4p5NI37KaGedhiRbP02I3HCiJgerxs NWITRNqn91Wgiq0K9QzeXi6TVK18KTyaEDp+0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811111353h44ff81fbraa8a1bf7f7c4e20b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:53:27 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811111342v4de25a04p9947c2c1c161a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811111342v4de25a04p9947c2c1c161a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:53:28 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > I've been occasionally working with two countrymen of yours (Peter > Thorn and Anders Berg) via file exh as well as NinJam in a project we > call JinDream (www.myspace.com/jindream). Nice! Checking that page now. Interesting music! :-) > I hope to get to Sweden one I hope so too, Jim. Bands got taste here: http://pics.yemii.com/swedish-dance-bands.html per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:56:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 075923BE86; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=gH2e7t04Xih6e+wxmSL7+H/Hihnr35ZHJcxP2F/FL8Ms3FAC6vHtuGBn/TpsyQHpSImaixyA6NFNLYxwkOLW9XpjE2LVow2camoeFNskZYQ40OZ/DCj2vc/B7tJ7ZZsrF6jZEF2snpoHeLmM0qUSl3KGHqHbLgFyAwxuVi/CBMw=; X-YMail-OSG: F89I8VMVM1k_YeTUghjFe25rluehsF3d0glvYpLSyu1X904dMRR7nTcjarvqUK_Ho5HA6rtyqwlCiOaVxnZGa8WfokjwRYxlu9HTKeL84K40HREK5S9uueHYn9dJp.TcgXptftzwJSGzGslxtOnWtgf2eYW2mcWEGg1RBjgkpl_chAI- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Band Name and Debut Album generator To: kesslari@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1137749414-1226440579=:12379" Message-ID: <240327.12379.qm@web110305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:56:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-1137749414-1226440579=:12379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is kind of fun and kind of spooky... =A0 It's the first band name generator that I really like. =A0 Your Debut Album 1 - Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random The first random Wikipedia article you get is the name of your band. 2 - Go to Random quotations: http://www.quotationspage.com/random.php3 The last four words of the very last quote of the page is the title of your= first album. If you want to do this again, you'll hit refresh to generate new quotes, be= cause clicking the quotes link again will just give you the same quotes ove= r and over again. 3 - Go to flickr's "explore the last seven days" http://www.flickr.com/expl= ore/interesting/7days/ Third picture, no matter what it is, will be your album cover. Put it all together, that's your debut album. Give it a go... JK --0-1137749414-1226440579=:12379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
This is kind of fun and kind of spooky...
 
It's the first band name generator that I really like.
 
Your Debut Album

1 - Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
The first random Wikipedia article you get is the name of your band.

2 - Go to Random quotations: http://www.quotationspage.com/random.php3
The last four words of the very last quote of the page is the title of your first album.

If you want to do this again, you'll hit refresh to generate new quotes, because clicking the quotes link again will just give you the same quotes over and over again.

3 - Go to flickr's "explore the last seven days" http://www.flickr.com/explore/interesting/7days/
Third picture, no matter what it is, will be your album cover.

Put it all together, that's your debut album.
Give it a go...
JK
--0-1137749414-1226440579=:12379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:57:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72833BE89; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:57:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vRPZMCsH8KRuRT7M1BvKGpQluh6pHN4p1XUp+60CRgz9+fa5vil/WF80Xah3YdfbldFaPEHu35/gYL6cEGj+g0r4HP6ViWBS/luaOFUnD3qShm96WbItQ3zEtwqN700ih0/ezYZ8QBJYdq+0KzsmOOI0UeeW7+esg+ofb7jiCjA=; X-YMail-OSG: ukt9dEkVM1nQLTE2YHOGbsE12RalrEzkackYJXYyT_VUi6KSjSvJeHdYdXeAuEADqXPI1ZNOu0cz.sknYsVZqP3FUfJgBDpBKYc_0UZOHx5Es9oF2O1KHBmcvtbEdP_ENEfU9mSnTvtjLYP82U2LV66QtAia3SpSlXqbLaOVrxgb4TbMmKTUpJykCSI_SjwylLshRMsXQYS1tc0- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:57:45 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex's brother Icaue To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <353768.18679.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:57:46 +0000 (UTC) wow dreams do come true!!! go Matthias go! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 10/18/08, Matthias Grob wrote: > From: Matthias Grob > Subject: Echoplex's brother Icaue > To: "Loop List" > Cc: "Tim Crowe" > Date: Saturday, October 18, 2008, 1:32 AM > youhou! >=20 > today is Icau=EA first party! ( not OT as you will see below > ) > My son's age is still slightly negative, but his > movements are clearly visible from a far now, and at the > daily percussion lesson he listens and answers like slightly > positive aged citizens :-) >=20 > is it my first kid? > until I was exactly 49 (7x7!), which was exactly when this > astrologic year started, > I suspected that in this life > my family was LOOP and > my kids were machines (PolySubbass, LOOP delay, > Echoplex...) and > my younger looper friends would ease me if I'd grow old > and lonely... >=20 > but the pill failed and I am moved by the coincidence that: > while my old family is partying in Sana X (and in Norwich > last week!) > we show off Icau=EA's Rick-green cozy room with the > "uncle" made Dininho and the Formula K cockpit and > whatnot we got... to all the crazy and beautiful improvisers > and contact dancers and yoga teachers and... of > Salvador/Bahia !! > today I also ordered the british birth pool Bassine to slow > down Icaue's next heavy task sequence of moving out, > unfold, feeling space, feeling air, breathing... >=20 > (in case you wonder how to say his name: its almost sung, > since the first and the last letter are equally accentuated. > Just imagine the flow from > I the input on top, through > C the neck with the blade, > A the center, > U the unknown and > E the event, exit, export!) >=20 > so will I abandon my old family? will I loop the kid thing > now? > I had a heavy problem that isolated me the last 5 years but > it was solved shortly after the y2k7 - with great help from > Rick's huge good will, understanding and insistence! > so the past months I have been programming day and night to > bring another kid to screen light and its also near, but it > does not depend just on me, patience... and don't expect > too much, we had to move the LOOP IV technology to the > computer first and only the next version will contain the > new ideas... > we even want to build this new software into a new little > box (sure: no noise, stereo, flashcard... and still smaller > and cheaper than the EDP!) and even a HW prototype and money > is available, but the project might fail due to lack of > administration capacity... >=20 > at least, in free moments, I will work on video, sound and > text documentation about what we are doing, and try to > follow the heavy rhythm of this list again! >=20 > sun is rising for the son > a huge hug to all of you and a big tatataaa to the loop > activists and Icaue! > Matthias=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 21:58:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ED553BE8C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d401c94448$9a9e9cf0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: studio in london Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:58:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C94459.5DF20510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:58:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C94459.5DF20510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i will be in london during 20-25th november. during that time i plan to = record an album with the accordionist michael ward bergeman. we will = record impro accordion parts which i will add guitars, piano, = electronics later on at my studio in istanbul. i need a small decent = studio with decent mics and micpreamps in london for 2 whole days. will = very much appreciate any info about this studio situation. thanks and best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C94459.5DF20510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi,
 
i will be in london during 20-25th november. during that time i = plan to=20 record an album with the accordionist  michael ward bergeman. we = will=20 record impro accordion parts which i will add guitars, piano, = electronics later=20 on at my studio in istanbul. i need a small decent studio with decent = mics and=20 micpreamps in london for 2 whole days. will very much appreciate any = info about=20 this studio situation.
 
thanks and best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
*=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is = out on New=20 Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
www.newalbion.co= m/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A= /sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF= 8
------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C94459.5DF20510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 22:04:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293013BE86; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+eSJ6ZSr8M5wlNVFYSi7QM1qObahNendOgjyBKq3GEI=; b=XDbyYqDI6moB9medG9NnWxhgfLYZhwBe6E6ptKn5q59wpwJiBMUEd1GzYPnp3n6wqI GQzUXidqAavGdXBHuZEDCMi3djneRD9LikPWMD+7Pnaa3pduOjpg08Ia29p3L/gLDu0y LcJaEOUAwr9By2M72wZ4odN4dvm/+xclajre4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bEkckRSvfj2meRBsRlUdLk74/N8Iad4uBC0msrGzyuHiVpQU9NqUlZe7YvayU5/NJS mS2YJr9td02K83AA7xj/zNnRZdQ2aeowbiWF/wKRaXA8FAuT+oCNgDOfuRMfD9tvGF94 ARlYEI/14L6EnYgq7R6RPJGrqmpZfGwqrQOKI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:04:45 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_65945_10643711.1226441085929" References: Resent-Message-ID: <6HgFZC.A.WqH._FgGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:04:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_65945_10643711.1226441085929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/ Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in regards to other research and what they might be exploring and appreciate very much the exchange of references. "I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?" I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than just a looper. Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic here are a few articles The aesthetics of interactive computer music guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33 On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320 Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements Franziska schroeder contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006 Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a perormers tale MarkKimura Organised sound 8(3) 28-296 Movement and music from traditional to hyper-instruments Alain cresoisier Masters in digital art Ed 1999-2000 audio visual institute university pompeu fabra Barcelona, spain *Theses on liveness* John croft Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of electronic music Julio d'Escrivan Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006 :Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance pratice Brian Belet organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003 Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music Ben Neill Author(s): Ben Neill Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 Published by: The MIT Press This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is an oft occurance.. Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer music Kim cascone http://www.hz-journal.org/n3/cascone.html theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc.... err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level.... The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding musical climate. But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it. Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already Byron On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA. > > While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins > of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: > http://www.icporchestra.com/ > > I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that > he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. > http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than looping > but there are many crossovers. > > I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and > Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A > Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain". Also using Henri Bergson's > concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical > musings. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson) > > My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the > relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these > ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open > improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one > is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same. > > Stefan > > ------=_Part_65945_10643711.1226441085929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/

Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. 

Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in regards to other  research and what they might be exploring and appreciate very much the exchange of references.

"I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?"

I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than just a looper.

Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic

here are a few articles

The aesthetics of interactive computer music
guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33

On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production
Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320

Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements
Franziska schroeder
contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006

Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a perormers tale
MarkKimura
Organised sound 8(3) 28-296

Movement and music
from traditional  to hyper-instruments
Alain cresoisier
Masters in digital art
Ed 1999-2000
audio visual institute
university pompeu fabra
Barcelona, spain

*Theses on liveness*
John croft
Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press

To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of electronic music
Julio d'Escrivan
Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006


:Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance pratice
Brian Belet
organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003


Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music
Ben Neill

Author(s): Ben Neill 

Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 

Published by: The MIT Press



This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is an oft occurance..


Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer music
Kim cascone

theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc....

err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt
I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level....

The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding musical climate.  But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it.


Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already

Byron








On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:
Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA.

While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/

I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than looping but there are many crossovers.

I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain".  Also using Henri Bergson's concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical musings.  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson)

My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same.

Stefan


------=_Part_65945_10643711.1226441085929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 22:24:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA9CC3BE8C; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QFi2vBTURrDR/hhWLU5+5zG++s67aM2rA39Gm6sh/q0=; b=mIQZk/ZDYoRWk7e8ZHlVsyOo52jOKJLO9Pa/ymakpo+q9lDRbmEbj5lLDz0hXn76qk ArCd+obD1RYrfBAI/lU1+9fWhB4o4o309nhpW3kvFSQ8c96qolTbG6/4PqQ1UpfYsCrf LsYac5mwWp2KXQ2xGaDAMmRdvx9m4A3CEbIPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bGPgXVGUSwvQ3Uc1B4CsXyPDGXXGDEvKZwUnCVlLJnQcvw2LhfgtIthj5DVFTHah7z ZbWM++a1FAlUYJzHfShV5iTBcfZXV7ehblI9gX7SzYnuDdxez5zruK3Yy4XuzACuqI6T b/zVE6iIi/nesyjIanNv6FWz42diyZFFiB1tA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811111424h698bdbd9r1cd08e63a9cf21eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:24:08 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811111353h44ff81fbraa8a1bf7f7c4e20b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1376_29506508.1226442248782" References: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811111342v4de25a04p9947c2c1c161a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811111353h44ff81fbraa8a1bf7f7c4e20b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:24:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1376_29506508.1226442248782 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per thanks - Wow Daryl and I need those bright violet and green getups for Chinapainting! Those are some kind of attire... My swedish colleagues have not told me about those... j On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Jim Goodin > wrote: > > > I've been occasionally working with two countrymen of yours (Peter > > Thorn and Anders Berg) via file exh as well as NinJam in a project we > > call JinDream (www.myspace.com/jindream). > > Nice! Checking that page now. Interesting music! :-) > > > I hope to get to Sweden one > > I hope so too, Jim. Bands got taste here: > http://pics.yemii.com/swedish-dance-bands.html > > per > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_1376_29506508.1226442248782 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Per thanks - Wow Daryl and I need those bright violet and green getups for Chinapainting!  Those are some kind of attire...  My swedish colleagues have not told me about those...
 
j

On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been occasionally working with two countrymen of yours (Peter
> Thorn and Anders Berg) via file exh as well as NinJam in a project we
> call JinDream (www.myspace.com/jindream).

Nice! Checking that page now. Interesting music! :-)

>  I hope to get to Sweden one

I hope so too, Jim. Bands got taste here:
http://pics.yemii.com/swedish-dance-bands.html

per




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_1376_29506508.1226442248782-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 22:29:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02BDC3BE86; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491A0750.5030607@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:29:36 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: jim goodin vids/line 6 m13 & boss slicer/setup & rc20/ stuf References: <556302.1695.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811111321p26a9df33xa8e6a3dd4eb06be2@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811111342v4de25a04p9947c2c1c161a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811111353h44ff81fbraa8a1bf7f7c4e20b@mail.gmail.com> <9e0440a60811111424h698bdbd9r1cd08e63a9cf21eb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811111424h698bdbd9r1cd08e63a9cf21eb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:29:43 +0000 (UTC) Yeahhh...speak for yourself, buddy.! I'm a jumpsuit kind of guy myself, but I'd have to shave my chest to really do justice to the stunning attire of "Shilling Banco". Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Per thanks - Wow Daryl and I need those bright violet and green getups > for Chinapainting! Those are some kind of attire... My swedish > colleagues have not told me about those... > > j From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 22:57:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7908B3BE87; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7J4I9+s+ij3ww6mGbgdi577SPBI45PAi8rPryDo2Ghc=; b=ii6JqO00fikmfhHUSt14vVMAtKEdMxTLa8cWefWFUJ/EHNqRSAsHUGn9HDMKoKjXnB 07lIf3KR8/KEWx6/sOwYQFfCrhrjDm5u0XwzkTgl5ylO8w0+u/Z7JO4kP0bQljz3NdVB W7j3uJoFybzzi/iVeXNTu6+99ehZ4afnSxPLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=CALEpG+Igol03MsSHnbahlHz0zpP0GF1n+kpaBgfpEX6/OOnpi9YeDw6csWMdxwaix McyW+DHubpxro6xTFYLrM/TYnRNG8xpRIJLUI1koW/w8xNrhf+0Lk1KebAVUdIxqleKj 7ju0fnBNmAvt2lG5uMHVYfTmXJJTu9FlGmF8Y= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:57:45 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66333_27465281.1226444265427" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:57:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_66333_27465281.1226444265427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right Kayla, in the paper 'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept of ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. again this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the sounds produced Byron On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins > of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: > http://www.icporchestra.com/ > Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. > > Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific > area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in > regards to other research and what they might be exploring and appreciate > very much the exchange of references. > > "I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance > for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with > aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?" > > I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to > hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and > interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have > missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar > peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a > significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from > theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the > aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the > academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so > many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than > just a looper. > > Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic > > here are a few articles > > The aesthetics of interactive computer music > guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33 > > On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production > Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320 > > Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation > of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements > Franziska schroeder > contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006 > > Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a > perormers tale > MarkKimura > Organised sound 8(3) 28-296 > > Movement and music > from traditional to hyper-instruments > Alain cresoisier > Masters in digital art > Ed 1999-2000 > audio visual institute > university pompeu fabra > Barcelona, spain > > *Theses on liveness* > John croft > Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press > > To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of > electronic music > Julio d'Escrivan > Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006 > > > :Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty > first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance > pratice > Brian Belet > organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003 > > > Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music > Ben Neill > > Author(s): Ben Neill > > Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 > > Published by: The MIT Press > > > > This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is an > oft occurance.. > > > Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer > music > Kim cascone > http://www.hz-journal.org/n3/cascone.html > > theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc.... > > err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of > playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on > the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and > computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt > I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic > music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the > technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and > machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a > modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it > or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level.... > > The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might > be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding > musical climate. But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis > for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut > and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you > tamper with the mix of it. > > > Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already > > Byron > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > >> Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA. >> >> While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins >> of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: >> http://www.icporchestra.com/ >> >> I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book >> that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. >> http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than >> looping but there are many crossovers. >> >> I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and >> Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A >> Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain". Also using Henri Bergson's >> concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical >> musings. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson) >> >> My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the >> relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these >> ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open >> improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one >> is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same. >> >> Stefan >> >> > ------=_Part_66333_27465281.1226444265427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right

Kayla, in the paper  'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept of ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. again this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the sounds produced 

Byron


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/

Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. 

Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in regards to other  research and what they might be exploring and appreciate very much the exchange of references.

"I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?"

I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than just a looper.

Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic

here are a few articles

The aesthetics of interactive computer music
guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33

On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production
Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320

Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements
Franziska schroeder
contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006

Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a perormers tale
MarkKimura
Organised sound 8(3) 28-296

Movement and music
from traditional  to hyper-instruments
Alain cresoisier
Masters in digital art
Ed 1999-2000
audio visual institute
university pompeu fabra
Barcelona, spain

*Theses on liveness*
John croft
Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press

To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of electronic music
Julio d'Escrivan
Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006


:Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance pratice
Brian Belet
organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003


Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music
Ben Neill

Author(s): Ben Neill 

Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 

Published by: The MIT Press



This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is an oft occurance..


Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer music
Kim cascone

theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc....

err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt
I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level....

The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding musical climate.  But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it.


Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already

Byron








On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:
Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA.

While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/

I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than looping but there are many crossovers.

I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain".  Also using Henri Bergson's concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical musings.  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson)

My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same.

Stefan



------=_Part_66333_27465281.1226444265427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 23:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B3F23BE80; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=cfVG1vZHVQfe0oQJvRfBzRwEqG6JVb6y0+jCjaJww5++iJRzU2Sx6wa50zXABCh4AlOMITaZXwQBZDU6BVlrt1VN6zSLbzJBQ/FXtwNZE7NP/tr7YkWqf/hLaC0CGXlf+KVnq7D7YvWXIK5Bsu5+Ln432qYHIUL7e6st3spxat0= ; X-YMail-OSG: v3BuljQVM1kn74SmzDEIJ6jIySF6wN6eX103dLzzH1YScRDP5Q4j83iu33Psbc8qivGWT33PH2dfsOVHmf0yt.c4PksIfiwajDYPCqbt5Wj9Qi4QjZtbHluF0LZW.iVO4wBVxt0ROLHY4GXesD.dle5S990uYYKP7Dv_JA9nE9mvMajaG_x7pEfWImw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00a301c94453$1b58d270$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:13:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C94453.1AAAB820" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <3gP4HB.A.iqC.cGhGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:13:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A0_01C94453.1AAAB820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem, Byron. Thanks for your email. A lot of material there. = Brilliant! I'll get back to you shortly with my thoughts on some of the = papers. Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byron Howell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use = of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its = own right Kayla, in the paper 'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept = of ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. = again this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the = sounds produced=20 Byron On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron Howell = wrote: While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the = origins of using the term instant composition instead of = improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/ Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting.=20 Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his = specific area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of = this list in regards to other research and what they might be exploring = and appreciate very much the exchange of references. "I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar = performance for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers = that deal with aesthetics of guitar performance and application of = technology?" I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to = hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and = interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have = missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically = guitar peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar = as a significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic = instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some = references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive = performance, which in a way could be the academic grouping that live = looping would fall under especially since so many members of this list = have got a lot going on in their setups other than just a looper. Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic here are a few articles The aesthetics of interactive computer music guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33 On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music = production Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320 Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the = relation of body and instrument in technologically informed performance = environements Franziska schroeder contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006 Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer = music: a perormers tale MarkKimura Organised sound 8(3) 28-296 Movement and music from traditional to hyper-instruments Alain cresoisier Masters in digital art Ed 1999-2000 audio visual institute university pompeu fabra Barcelona, spain *Theses on liveness* John croft Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance = of electronic music Julio d'Escrivan Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006 :Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early = twenty first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and = performance pratice Brian Belet organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003 Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic = music Ben Neill Author(s): Ben Neill=20 Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6=20 Published by: The MIT Press This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, = as is an oft occurance.. Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary = computer music Kim cascone http://www.hz-journal.org/n3/cascone.html theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc.... err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead = of playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy = focusing on the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic = instruments and computers in performance. One tends to do that when the = sounds hurt I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in = electronic music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the = technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and = machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for = a modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal = with it or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local = level.... The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that = might be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the = surrounding musical climate. But thats just a spur for you guys to = write this thesis for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most = crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your refrences...the = creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it. Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already Byron On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz = wrote: Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA. While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the = origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: = http://www.icporchestra.com/ I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new = book that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. = http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than = looping but there are many crossovers. I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and = Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article = in A Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain". Also using Henri = Bergson's concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to = philosophical musings. - = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson) My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the = relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of = these ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form = than open improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core = idea that one is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the = same. Stefan -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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No problem, Byron. Thanks for your = email. A lot of=20 material there. Brilliant! I'll get back to you shortly with my thoughts = on some=20 of the papers.
 
Ricky
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From:=20 Byron=20 Howell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, = 2008 10:57=20 PM
Subject: Re: Articles on Live = Looping as=20 Compositional Tool

I'm currently putting together a = PhD=20 proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional = tool and=20 musical instrument in its own right

Kayla, in=20 the paper  'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept of=20 ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. = again=20 this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the sounds=20 produced 

Byron


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron = Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com>=20 wrote:
While = not on=20  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins = of using=20 the term instant composition instead of improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/

Thanx for this = reference. Found=20 it very interesting. 

Ricky asked me off = list for=20 some other references more in his specific area. I am very = interested in=20 feedback from other members of this list in regards to other =  research=20 and what they might be exploring and appreciate very much the = exchange of=20 references.

"I'm currently = researching=20 interactive technologies in guitar performance for PhD in N.Ireland. = Can I=20 ask if you know of any papers that deal with aesthetics of guitar=20 performance and application of technology?"

I hope you dont mind = Ricky, but=20 i will respond on list in order to hopefully/maybe generate some = responses=20 on the topic of aesthetics and interactive technologies and perhaps = illicit=20 some refereces that i have missed. While i dont have any refrences = in=20 regards to specifically guitar peformance -although perhaps a few = crediting=20 the electric guitar as a significant electronic instrument in the = line of=20 electronic instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have = some=20 references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive = performance,=20 which in a way could be the academic grouping that live looping = would fall=20 under especially since so many members of this list have got a lot = going on=20 in their setups other than just a looper.

Ive found the journal = organised=20 sound a rich resource for this topic

here are a few=20 articles

The aesthetics of = interactive=20 computer music
guy E. Garnett = computer music=20 journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33

On the process and = aesthetics=20 of sampling in electronic music production
Tara ridgers = organised sound=20 8:(3) 3313-320

Bodily instrumentsand = instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation of body and = instrument=20 in technologically informed performance environements
Franziska=20 schroeder
contemporary music = review Vol=20 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006

Creative process and=20 performance pracice of interactive computer music: a perormers=20 tale
MarkKimura
Organised sound 8(3)=20 28-296

Movement and = music
from traditional =  to=20 hyper-instruments
Alain = cresoisier
Masters in digital=20 art
Ed = 1999-2000
audio visual=20 institute
university pompeu=20 fabra
Barcelona, = spain

*Theses on=20 liveness*
John = croft
Organised sound 12 = (1)=20 59-662007 cambridge university press

To sing the body=20 electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of electronic=20 music
Julio = d'Escrivan
Contemporary music = review vol=20 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006


:Live performance = interaction=20 for humans and machines in the early twenty first century: one = composers=20 aesthetics for composition and performance pratice
Brian = Belet
organised sound 8 (3) = 305-312=20 2003


Pleasure beats; = rhythm and the=20 aesthetics of current electronic music
Ben = Neill

Author(s): Ben = Neill 

Source: Leonardo = Music Journal,=20 Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 

Published by: The MIT = Press



This is a seminal = paper on=20 glitch music and technological failure, as is an oft occurance..


Te = aesthetics of=20 failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer = music
Kim=20 cascone
http://www.hz-journal.org/n3/cascone.html
<= /DIV>

theres also = a lot of=20 controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc....

err..is = that enough?=20 yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of = playing...well...that=20 problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on the = gesture-sound=20 relationship when one uses electronic instruments and computers in=20 performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt
I think = Live loping=20 really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic music making to = avery=20 intimate degree, witch places, the technique/movement/genre....as a=20 significant integration of the body and machine. on a wider scale, = this is=20 perhaps the most important thing for a modern society to learn to = deal with.=20 machines are everywhere...deal with it or better yet...(but to bore = with=20 sociology), on a more local level....

The = significance of=20 the aesthetics of live looping=20 (whatever that might be) are pretty inportant to locate the = music in=20 relation to the surrounding musical climate.  But thats just a = spur for=20 you guys to write this thesis for me.....academics are really just = DJ's in=20 the most crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your = refrences...the=20 creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it.


Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list = already

Byron








On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan = Smulovitz=20 <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:
Here=20 are some of the resources I have been using in my = MFA.

While not on=20  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins = of=20 using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/

I've also = found the=20 articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that he edited, = "Sound=20 Unbound" very interesting. http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more = with sampling than looping but there are many = crossovers.

I'm using=20 a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and Repetition = which I=20 find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A Thousdand = Plateaus called "On the Refrain".  Also using Henri Bergson's = concept=20 of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical = musings.=20  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson)
<= BR>My=20 thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the = relationship=20 between improvisation and composition but hope some of these ideas = are=20 useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open=20 improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea = that one=20 is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the = same.

Stefan



No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG.=20
Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release Date: = 10/11/2008=20 20:58
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Yeahhh...speak for yourself, buddy.!

I'm a jumpsuit kind of guy myself, but I'd have to shave my chest to really do justice to the stunning attire of "Shilling Banco".

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com



Per thanks - Wow Daryl and I need those bright violet and green getups for Chinapainting!  Those are some kind of attire...  My swedish colleagues have not told me about those...
 j




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http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
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The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
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------=_Part_2007_15981931.1226445399188-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 11 23:19:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629BF3BE89; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=wCeJyFhc+yL7W+kSQfyL0DCdDage39GgwIQ4YdU9KdU=; b=DV933fezibGbgYuEVqqJMMNHdHtnUoNe2i4kEm5PXyBVK7yg4zqNJOpHo7PCoWLcpd +ek6gPzhQ0N+9ZCr/OhxQpgt0cB1dlqRvDl8wJ2ZbeZkU3jACTMDPi55wSK5UuQc+Ic+ JGYvoTLHl7wB+AghXVQaq5kEbQHHzsIEb223I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uPdkzk2WAoX4ZPtCFjlyYcaYAn8KVTD16UKTs82sWUvTaNKLEKR2MKCR7JyZCsM7RV rbl5/L1ac6rZTRiFFBTwVf7W3aCFutKjg6Lt5Of1KUeF9GgZQ1nBRRD0e4TNQAIuAdbe R7eDZQSiWJmuH8Fep/kiS0KxUDlQ79xcjPoX8= Message-ID: <1f6442e00811111519t3b38d91q61539a8e1845aa4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:31 +0000 From: "Kayla Kavanagh" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <00a301c94453$1b58d270$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1182_3008053.1226445571412" References: <00a301c94453$1b58d270$0301a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: <89gk-.A.jGD.FMhGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:19:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1182_3008053.1226445571412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Likewise Byron - thanks for such useful info! Thanks also to all those who have taken the time to pass on some fantastic resources ... now I've got the unenviable task of turning it all into a coherent valid proposal :) Really appreciate everyone's help, thank you again, Kayla 2008/11/11 Ricky Graham > No problem, Byron. Thanks for your email. A lot of material there. > Brilliant! I'll get back to you shortly with my thoughts on some of the > papers. > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Byron Howell > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:57 PM > *Subject:* Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool > > I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of > live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right > Kayla, in the paper 'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept of > ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. again > this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the sounds > produced > > Byron > > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron Howell wrote: > >> While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins >> of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: >> http://www.icporchestra.com/ >> Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. >> >> Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific >> area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in >> regards to other research and what they might be exploring and appreciate >> very much the exchange of references. >> >> "I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance >> for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with >> aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?" >> >> I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to >> hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and >> interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have >> missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar >> peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a >> significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from >> theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the >> aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the >> academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so >> many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than >> just a looper. >> >> Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic >> >> here are a few articles >> >> The aesthetics of interactive computer music >> guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33 >> >> On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production >> Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320 >> >> Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation >> of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements >> Franziska schroeder >> contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006 >> >> Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a >> perormers tale >> MarkKimura >> Organised sound 8(3) 28-296 >> >> Movement and music >> from traditional to hyper-instruments >> Alain cresoisier >> Masters in digital art >> Ed 1999-2000 >> audio visual institute >> university pompeu fabra >> Barcelona, spain >> >> *Theses on liveness* >> John croft >> Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press >> >> To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of >> electronic music >> Julio d'Escrivan >> Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006 >> >> >> :Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty >> first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance >> pratice >> Brian Belet >> organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003 >> >> >> Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music >> Ben Neill >> >> Author(s): Ben Neill >> >> Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 >> >> Published by: The MIT Press >> >> >> >> This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is >> an oft occurance.. >> >> >> Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary >> computer music >> Kim cascone >> http://www.hz-journal.org/n3/cascone.html >> >> theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc.... >> >> err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of >> playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on >> the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and >> computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt >> I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic >> music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the >> technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and >> machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a >> modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it >> or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level.... >> >> The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might >> be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding >> musical climate. But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis >> for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut >> and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you >> tamper with the mix of it. >> >> >> Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already >> >> Byron >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: >> >>> Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA. >>> >>> While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the >>> origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: >>> http://www.icporchestra.com/ >>> >>> I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book >>> that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. >>> http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than >>> looping but there are many crossovers. >>> >>> I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and >>> Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A >>> Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain". Also using Henri Bergson's >>> concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical >>> musings. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson) >>> >>> My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the >>> relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these >>> ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open >>> improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one >>> is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same. >>> >>> Stefan >>> >>> >> > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.0/1780 - Release Date: 10/11/2008 > 20:58 > > -- Kayla's website: http://www.kaylakavanagh.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/kaylakavanagh FaceBook: http://www.new.facebook.com/pages/Kayla-Kavanagh/22032129016 Kaleidoscope Web Design: http://www.kaleidoscope-design.co.uk ------=_Part_1182_3008053.1226445571412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Likewise Byron - thanks for such useful info! Thanks also to all those who have taken the time to pass on some fantastic resources ... now I've got the unenviable task of turning it all into a coherent valid proposal :)

Really appreciate everyone's help, thank you again,

Kayla

2008/11/11 Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com>
No problem, Byron. Thanks for your email. A lot of material there. Brilliant! I'll get back to you shortly with my thoughts on some of the papers.
 
Ricky
----- Original Message -----
From: Byron Howell
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool

I'm currently putting together a PhD proposal which focuses on the use of live looping as a compositional tool and musical instrument in its own right

Kayla, in the paper  'thesis on liveness' croft explores the concept of ;instrumentality' and what that means in interactive computer music. again this is all related to perceived gestural relationship to the sounds produced 

Byron


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Byron Howell <howell.byron@gmail.com> wrote:
While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/

Thanx for this reference. Found it very interesting. 

Ricky asked me off list for some other references more in his specific area. I am very interested in feedback from other members of this list in regards to other  research and what they might be exploring and appreciate very much the exchange of references.

"I'm currently researching interactive technologies in guitar performance for PhD in N.Ireland. Can I ask if you know of any papers that deal with aesthetics of guitar performance and application of technology?"

I hope you dont mind Ricky, but i will respond on list in order to hopefully/maybe generate some responses on the topic of aesthetics and interactive technologies and perhaps illicit some refereces that i have missed. While i dont have any refrences in regards to specifically guitar peformance -although perhaps a few crediting the electric guitar as a significant electronic instrument in the line of electronic instruments from theremin to turntable and beyond- I have some references in regards to the aesthetics of computer interactive performance, which in a way could be the academic grouping that live looping would fall under especially since so many members of this list have got a lot going on in their setups other than just a looper.

Ive found the journal organised sound a rich resource for this topic

here are a few articles

The aesthetics of interactive computer music
guy E. Garnett computer music journal vol 25 no 1 (2001) pp21-33

On the process and aesthetics of sampling in electronic music production
Tara ridgers organised sound 8:(3) 3313-320

Bodily instrumentsand instrumental bodies: critical views on the relation of body and instrument in technologically informed performance environements
Franziska schroeder
contemporary music review Vol 25 no 1/2 feb/april 2006

Creative process and performance pracice of interactive computer music: a perormers tale
MarkKimura
Organised sound 8(3) 28-296

Movement and music
from traditional  to hyper-instruments
Alain cresoisier
Masters in digital art
Ed 1999-2000
audio visual institute
university pompeu fabra
Barcelona, spain

*Theses on liveness*
John croft
Organised sound 12 (1) 59-662007 cambridge university press

To sing the body electric:Instruments and effort in the performance of electronic music
Julio d'Escrivan
Contemporary music review vol 25 no 1/2 feb april 2006


:Live performance interaction for humans and machines in the early twenty first century: one composers aesthetics for composition and performance pratice
Brian Belet
organised sound 8 (3) 305-312 2003


Pleasure beats; rhythm and the aesthetics of current electronic music
Ben Neill

Author(s): Ben Neill 

Source: Leonardo Music Journal, Vol. 12, Pleasure, (2002), pp. 3-6 

Published by: The MIT Press



This is a seminal paper on glitch music and technological failure, as is an oft occurance..


Te aesthetics of failure-Post digital tendaencies in contemporary computer music
Kim cascone

theres also a lot of controversy over the LAPTOP performer etc....

err..is that enough? yes, yes...to much reading about music instead of playing...well...that problem became fuel for the work. Mainy focusing on the gesture-sound relationship when one uses electronic instruments and computers in performance. One tends to do that when the sounds hurt
I think Live loping really puts the bodily presence firmly in electronic music making to avery intimate degree, witch places, the technique/movement/genre....as a significant integration of the body and machine. on a wider scale, this is perhaps the most important thing for a modern society to learn to deal with. machines are everywhere...deal with it or better yet...(but to bore with sociology), on a more local level....

The significance of the aesthetics of live looping (whatever that might be) are pretty inportant to locate the music in relation to the surrounding musical climate.  But thats just a spur for you guys to write this thesis for me.....academics are really just DJ's in the most crudest of senses. cut and paist but just know your refrences...the creativity comes in how you tamper with the mix of it.


Thanx in advance. Have learnt so much on this list already

Byron








On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Stefan Smulovitz <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:
Here are some of the resources I have been using in my MFA.

While not on  looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins of using the term instant composition instead of improvisation: http://www.icporchestra.com/

I've also found the articles in DJ Spooky - aka Paul Miller's new book that he edited, "Sound Unbound" very interesting. http://www.djspooky.com/articles.php Deals more with sampling than looping but there are many crossovers.

I'm using a bit of Giles Deleuze as well. His book Difference and Repetition which I find a bit harder to get through or a great article in A Thousdand Plateaus called "On the Refrain".  Also using Henri Bergson's concept of intuition as a way to connect improvisation to philosophical musings.  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuition_(Bergson)

My thesis will be focused on the more generalized concept of the relationship between improvisation and composition but hope some of these ideas are useful. Looping brings with it a stronger sense of form than open improvisation due to the nature of repetition - but the core idea that one is composing and not merely making random stuff up is the same.

Stefan



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------=_Part_1182_3008053.1226445571412-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 02:30:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 160083BE8A; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:29:56 -0600 From: Shayne Cafferata Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <491A3FA4.9070507@sasktel.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:30:17 +0000 (UTC) > hmm, was the H4 on a stand, > or just flat on the table top? > I'm thinking about the effect of having a mic close to a flat surface, > causing an > increased bass response. > I'd would have thought that if the table itself was resonating you'd > hear just a rattle at one note. > However, proximity to a flat surface can certainlyl introduce a bass > hump to the recording. Try standing right next to the wall in a > rehearsal room and notice how woofy everything gets compared to three > feet into the room. this makes good sense. the h4 was not on a stand but just lying on the table. the table itself would have a specific resonating frequency. so it would be more likely the h4's close proximity to a flat surface. thanks for ALL the responses.very helpful. as far as volume goes, when the music is rowdy and exciting, i would lean toward the turnitup camp. some of the best shows i've been to have also been the loudest. that said, clarity is a must and i like to keep it below the pain threshold. i have no toleration for high frequencies at high volumes. i remember a jam where i retreated to the bathroom to play along cuz the cymbal hits were cutting my head in half. and i used to think that i could handle any bass volume until one day i went for a cruise with a buddy and he cranked his sub. wow! do people just ignore the pain because it's hip to go thumping down the strip? yeesh... cheers, shayne From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 02:42:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 978383BE8C; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:42:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9KyFlcZ2xibSz7IwYhUwWack+ghLqFiCwWkahT5vtwM=; b=jlZbRxuB+RCUar4A/Gb8MrqEfkw21OcvGFnsgmIbdoigrV2iM5AOyFgZrZ9ISYuD2M vSwbz8gnE2D7tWuPcnQRNiuMs1V8oMvvoao0f8gtowYOho4gpM4U/QebayXLiA0zyPwh JHRfXh6OJGSgQTcMU8C0NDb5s7rinn13Ocm/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nhWl/VrnuixL0EiHj+Stdi31xuQJWKKKVxayFnQb+d0lWIB+AnYYHq+Wrho8s/V84Y 0nBtdnClqD9R349HaL2fMwwokl/5NqKV+Abmfgd0wWnj7IK6P22vQJ7E4XHfRWa5uRjz 2RW9UbXdyGTIGcP+0i5rDmOMlelDHs6jGXnJw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <491A3FA4.9070507@sasktel.net> References: <491A3FA4.9070507@sasktel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: Zoom H4 bass response Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:42:07 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:42:13 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:29 PM, Shayne Cafferata wrote: >> I'd would have thought that if the table itself was resonating >> you'd hear just a rattle at one note. >> However, proximity to a flat surface can certainlyl introduce a >> bass hump to the recording. Try standing right next to the wall >> in a rehearsal room and notice how woofy everything gets compared >> to three feet into the room. > > this makes good sense. the h4 was not on a stand but just lying on > the table. the table itself would have a specific resonating > frequency. so it would be more likely the h4's close proximity to a > flat surface. The table does resonate and also acts like an amplifier. There is also a resonation between the microphones and the flat hard surface. The reflected sound adds to the direct sound which produces an amplified response especially of the strongest tones. 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Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:09:25 +0000 (UTC) well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to spain. so i went and bought the new macbook pro. astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables in the apple store. so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my MOTU. not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which doesn't have firewire 800. ACK. you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind with the machine? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 03:30:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00B693BE97; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491A4DDF.8070700@cruzio.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:30:39 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT Chromatic Bells (that sound fantastic backwards you DL4 owners) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:30:41 +0000 (UTC) A lot of people have commented on and asked where I got my chromatic bells that I use a lot in my concerts and I saw today that a chromatic set was selling at musiciansfriend.com in one of their 'scratch and dent' sales. Here's the URL http://band-orchestra.musiciansfriend.com/product?sku=470364X They are selling for $110.50 which is a good price (normally $156) and I love my set dearly. They sound fantastic when reversed and octave shifted. I"ve used them in almost every concert I've done (until this festival's Dayglo Orange Plastic show) in the past several years and I also use them extensively in recording sessions. Just thought you folks should know. Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 04:51:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3A3F3BE90; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 23:48:41 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: "No Such Animal" Video on You Tube and Vimeo To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 04:51:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I've posted a new visual music piece that can be seen on You Tube at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA6NPee4z8E and on Vimeo at http://www.vimeo.com/2211365 The piece is an excerpt from an Improvised Mixed Media performance with Doctor T video mixing with the jazz-inflected improv band No Such Animal. Tim Mungenast -- guitar and effects Michael Bloom -- Bass and Bouzouki Ken Field -- Reeds Jon Proudman -- Drums Recorded Live at The Nave Gallery Somerville, MA 10.19.2008 by Randy Winchester BTW Some of my photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 05:25:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BE9F3BE8C; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:25:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=f5K7FTH36ticLv209+RBJOCKo/AaPp7PrpFeY2QmSiI=; b=AHBeiR3/pksdZraE3NGXjuCCyYKTCjw8XOQmJ/41CC29lOfBgHKmHTn9y75ZTAwxN5 KvP/CMou5J9Hc7MlKQ8Z1iXGKxW+C+iXX3NioEQ/yqvauaPu3tX3ylvkavmp5kcyiaPA eGB86GIPkDnw9p9aoWm1lXWsYxggjQ6++1Gn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BDxOZzbIn/uigdniqFK5qIMKH3lpsgZyBsvyqPmIaW/TqcfCtlX+OjZHxmaRL40DjR 59monBFLJSVFgNflsfzxr0gYAgSRP5q9KSsPkUSwqSlqKxoDTbooqlsjpNdNp1ogn6jG Pybl2mQMljso5O2lPUhrp/aRvQ/v9yboz0C24= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:25:47 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1pctu.A.2yB.djmGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:25:49 +0000 (UTC) I laugh to myself everytime I look at the Express 34 bus that hardly anyone makes audio interfaces for. You can get a firewire 400 card that fits in the Express34 slot though http://www.macmusic.org/news/view.php/lang/en/id/5648/. -J jefflomas.com On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:50 AM, info at zoekeating wrote: > well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to spain. > so i went and bought the new macbook pro. > > astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables in the > apple store. > so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my MOTU. > > not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which doesn't have > firewire 800. > > ACK. > > you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind with the > machine? > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 05:48:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63C753BE8A; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Oa+isbVxCC/XUp+lgxUtci7RK4rRrJH2YeF6AMeD+UM=; b=SGbHp6PWHso+SyuI6j0n+hfDG5rtk2BaZyqQ3Ucc2BYB33iup41xphPwVqi2pJKz9C Jbx+FUeN2+RZIBKcFo/PnIufs6Ft35Wm18gFMJqAl1VZhrbBZ28f9s1q7GEDvjhb3j/1 a2m52D2pfSpeCrnWEK/WHOSBuAh3e3X1Updho= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=iHF9KLMC4N2CFwObxqV6g6GWOEpA86Dt5P5N15P3UwbjOV+3RWy5EPgLGvvX6zKp7F aB0xO8FtSL4NQum1C6HdKEyJzjKwSVdXJyzw4mrVD6o7VMMOKjlK1nE3Q9UmvDINBMR0 Z/z5aYmTmIAICDxNwc3niDauh7j4jkveZ/prk= Message-ID: <333287c30811112148o4a87e10ayf3a6eaba048b114c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:48:21 -0800 From: "Nevyn Nowhere" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Mackie Pro FX8 usb Cc: labaloops@yahoo.com In-Reply-To: <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3328_3955670.1226468901744" References: <624721.89210.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <17B373D7-610F-4938-A8B6-55D9091EF559@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:48:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3328_3955670.1226468901744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know about the mixers... but I have used the Mackie Onyx 400F for a couple years now. Drivers were shit back when it first came out (before I had it)... forums were covered with "nothing works"... an update happened and suddenly all the complaints were gone. Solid as a rock. So I got one, and have never had any problems, at all. So as far as Mackie drivers go... check the forums for the individual piece of gear. -nn happyhumans.org On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > From what I've read in the manual, yes you should be able to use this > with Mobius without a sound card. In addition to being a mixer, it is > also a 2 in 2 out USB audio interface. > > The difference between this and most other multi-channel audio > interfaces is that you can only send to the computer a stereo mix of > all of the mixer inputs. The Firebox for example has 6 inputs that > are individually sent to the computer. > > The Mackie is nice if you prefer a hardware mixer and don't need to > insert software effects on individual channels. With the Firebox you > wold use a software mixer which is more flexible, but you have to deal > with a mousey user interface. > > The Firebox also has 6 outputs so you could set up a surround > output mix from the computer. The Mackie only has a single stereo > pair of output channels from the computer. > > As far as latency, it all depends on how good Mackie is at writing > device drivers. Since this is only a 2x2 interface I would expect > latency to be as good or better than anything else out there. You don't > need firewire for a 2x2, USB is fine. But this is relatively new and > Mackie doesn't have a long history with audio interfaces, so I would > check the forums to see if anyone is having problems. > > Jeff > > ------=_Part_3328_3955670.1226468901744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know about the mixers... but I have used the Mackie Onyx 400F for a couple years now.  Drivers were shit back when it first came out (before I had it)... forums were covered with "nothing works"... an update happened and suddenly all the complaints were gone.  Solid as a rock.  So I got one, and have never had any problems, at all.  So as far as Mackie drivers go... check the forums for the individual piece of gear.

-nn
happyhumans.org

On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Jeffrey Larson <jeff@zonemobius.com> wrote:

>From what I've read in the manual, yes you should be able to use this
with Mobius without a sound card.  In addition to being a mixer, it is
also a 2 in 2 out USB audio interface.

The difference between this and most other multi-channel audio
interfaces is that you can only send to the computer a stereo mix of
all of the mixer inputs.  The Firebox for example has 6 inputs that
are individually sent to the computer.

The Mackie is nice if you prefer a hardware mixer and don't need to
insert software effects on individual channels.  With the Firebox you
wold use a software mixer which is more flexible, but you have to deal
with a mousey user interface.

The Firebox also has 6 outputs so you could set up a surround
output mix from the computer.  The Mackie only has a single stereo
pair of output channels from the computer.

As far as latency, it all depends on how good Mackie is at writing
device drivers.  Since this is only a 2x2 interface I would expect
latency to be as good or better than anything else out there.  You don't
need firewire for a 2x2, USB is fine.  But this is relatively new and
Mackie doesn't have a long history with audio interfaces, so I would
check the forums to see if anyone is having problems.

Jeff


------=_Part_3328_3955670.1226468901744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 09:20:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E4593BE80; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:20:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+RBbf5x1QiQsN8FretBffZNUEnPR5j4gzscbrIrn5iU=; b=dflrPM3V6JfdQlYxymXCNh0NrriNYcqSdTDpwyr6W8HVa0TS1GENt39cq2Qqx0uZIw +LYinRmEj8lI0T7bm3bVLFg1k1ZakzcfiUfOKc4no0N+Z719Dv9/b2lt8rBPk8bEs0hE iDulfueDBgmszT8FYRzPIcPIZ21kZIwCxce5s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FMgRizVOcsyvZ3wGfQqV9D8mwNF/9yUwTkN8/+s/ytbTNQ9D/nabWk7JGA/V0PKgNy fiBVN+H77ecev/30V+pczAU9Y+UYxip4wzoZxLP+pkiosmye8o1LVMr0QDaItoCcjQxE T6GPKpm7/nmlpFJY8ujKBnSRzSriMnPdko8Hc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811120120t197a4fayef5126e54908fd06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:20:03 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:20:05 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Byron Howell wrote: > While not on looping - this might be useful as it talks about the origins > of using the term instant composition instead of > improvisation:http://www.icporchestra.com/ I chose to use the term "instant composition" but for a different specific reason, having to do with the live looping context. For starters, you may get a good feel for it by contemplating that any instant compositional activity may also be called improvisation but any improvisation can not be called instant composition. The most simple form of improvisation is to simply react on sound by making sound, that causes a reaction, that you then react on by making another sound etc etc. This may cerate interesting music both from the interplay between human musicians and the interplay between musicians and looping devices. It's a developing spiral of questions and answers. It's a bouncing fun game. Now, besides pure sound, introduce playing bricks as "structure", "direction", "time span", "density", "harmony" and things alike. Improvising with those sort of blocks/clusters makes instant composition possible. As for praxis in a technical context it can be done as Willem Breuker and Misha Mengelberg does it, by providing some guidelines to musicians (here even "not giving any directions what-so-ever" is also understood as "a guideline", although extreme). It can also be don by utilizing live looping techniques. When live looping you are not restricted to simply reacting to immediate sound you hear, react on that and build complex music from there. You are also free to react on what doesn't yet exist as sound, except for in you time expanded mind, and improvise with that. Since the improviser knows the looping gear as his/her instrument, he/she is swimming not only inside an immediate pool of sound but also inside a hothouse that stretches into possible futures as well as back into the past, making it possible to bring back earlier parts of the performance. 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Subject: WAITING FOR YOURRESPONSE Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:32:12 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: 66.198.41.11 X-Mailer: Eircom Net CRC Webmail (http://www.eircom.net/) Organization: Eircom Net (http://www.eircom.net/) Message-Id: <20081112143942.862523BE73@arsenic.violacea.com> Dear Friend Greeting to you and your family, I am Mr Maya Bara the Auditing and Accounting section manager in AFRICAN DEVELOPMENTBANK (A.D.B) Ouagadougou Burkina faso. I need your urgent assistance in transferring the sum of ($19.2)million to your account within 10 or 14 banking days. This money has been dormant for years in our Bank with out claim. I want the bank to release the money to you as the nearest person to our deceased customer. I don't want the money to go into our Bank treasurer as an abandoned fund. So this is the reason why i contacted you so that the bank can release the money to you as the next of kin to the deceased customer. Please I would like you to keep this proposal as a top secret and delete it if you are not interested. Upon receipt of your reply, i will give you full details on how the business will be executed and also note that you will have ( 40%) of the above mentioned sum if you agree to handle this business.and ( 5%) will be preserved for helping the helpless people, like charity organization and, motherless babies home. I am expecting your urgent response, as soon as you receive my message. BestRegard. Mr.Maya Bara WAITING FOR YOURRESPONSE ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:18:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CBA93BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=6iYf+VdU/dT2+fvTDwJNseJOsoEyWV+es6gSA5asDkY=; b=FLj18eYWdzVvzFxeOMxQpuVuK+kLWR/Wtr+nLvMqVAt+eHLB1ROiypyiTPa/JZK1un MNNdGTafnrR/mAuDNC9g+gtMYfkDvTRxEn420oASLqsX0mnaS/eIEaENeRb+9aPj4pcK ExJry4A3LuPH5i51Xhp78JDcL53yh67LDkw18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Xrd293AHS6O9jhy76L0mbjgZC0q6WFqDNjERa4N67EFiSOWLZAFYbr5H94Ms90SbOm 06X0cKd/QcPdfgVELihXYZN8DJpsNDN8jiNS4dILCkoRHoRa1AN1eL8DfKFWzLwoOEDW bVfuuUYOD8mmOSSI35ETCXPfb3vWZUhRItris= Message-ID: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:18:53 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > I WANT SOMETHING NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m I am afraid you have to go to concerts or do it yourself... ;-) > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater Even this is wrong... ;-) Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to repeat yourself... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:20:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AA543BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=0cKV1WUarL49KJg8TD7cLMfb1/Zw4vayRkmrYmaPAdw=; b=qVyETNnxLJjJwYU9IYuHaYgtAKI4IWa0+zE42tD5XCZSAa7Z3qh+qk9ZUnfWVa2cQz 0IKKmPL7jjchz64Ul/kY7J+loIVgwpekevGquuPjJsvqix8NJ+05XLJ5ZwRXwupFH+nZ epXGpcd5dumnwKAHbwTxTVqDxpBxVe1Y0uWwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=vKEJFkrJ9a1icQ+G2MPpOYoowAgTWeJT7b1i/h+9Mld6ZRzEngsQGg0i0Lh729nkpF PugYRIqEFoxD61wuabJp22q1WrAo6TYO/kdYVOZhw2sBe5Qad/0xGgZCHw/MXDJIWstW y+AtdTZxltmTNnoqakGUTY8x0MnBALYiOJrBs= Message-ID: <491AF41D.4050808@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:19:57 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <7334ca1b0811080423g247182b9sf18a65b29d4c342b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811080511w6ea21ad6q4116c38a122e20da@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Good point there, Rainer! Whenever I come across music I really like, the only category which seems possible is "unclassified", because none of the existing actually works. Any known label will trigger wrong associations... Though the original meaning of "experimental" would point to possible and wanted surprises. If people already associate it with "music that no-one likes" it has lost its focus... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 15:56:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6577C3BE7B; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xSKn7zFdowJUv84DaZ3oG2P1pFrBhvK2jhTogyhp2e8=; b=ow8axKiozTiPXa91zpDRCSkBBNIwr6/0bi56hDP/94/jaDHKXg/i+OFGTKg7JWbVqX D/OCK7dlEhgWfg7sCMFzLxvgMYi4Z91jxrOUxvnRNpywTOztPy3iGjQP0gUK/H53NlGC vXwDsuSlbiDrfv4nSyfAnDvxMjrbGaQ0xAt/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=maYc0yAV4tiqWS8Ii7xxqBRtrH3KoF1oInG/I8sxop6GAi9zzKHnXt2LhBL11Mkl5N UQ7Jj5LpJap9wlbIS2uRXhQx2NsxnI2gKg9FxjSNcC9wN6sV0tqHRa8fFCdIN58b040/ TBPrtw6sCznKpk9M+w9pfexjKbv7g/ExxddnI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:56:26 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5147_17372738.1226505386276" References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:56:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5147_17372738.1226505386276 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to repeat yourself... hoho! On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb: > >> I WANT SOMETHING NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m >> > > I am afraid you have to go to concerts or do it yourself... ;-) > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater >> > > Even this is wrong... ;-) > > Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to > repeat yourself... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > ------=_Part_5147_17372738.1226505386276 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to repeat yourself...

hoho!

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
Nemoguitt@aol.com schrieb:

I WANT SOMETHING NEW-FRESH-TOMORROW!.....:)m

I am afraid you have to go to concerts or do it yourself... ;-)


"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

Even this is wrong... ;-)

Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to repeat yourself...

Stefan

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------=_Part_5147_17372738.1226505386276-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 16:02:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 014A03BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 106853536/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.251.42/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.251.42 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjUBAE+MGklPTvsq/2dsb2JhbAAI0B+DV4ND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,590,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="106853536" Message-ID: <491AFECD.7030906@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:05:33 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT:Re: AW: What's experimental? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Experimental (1) music for which the outcome is not foreseen (Cage) well, if Cage borrowed the term as a label for his music then I guess there's no argument with that. Labels are useful. I'd imagine that a truly experimental musician would have a whole catalogue of acknowledged failures along with their successful works. Surely to qualify as an experiment the outcome has to be assessed in some way, and preferably in some way that was decided before the experiment was performed. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 16:29:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8D043BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <491AFECD.7030906@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT:Re: AW: What's experimental? Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:29:05 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 00D275DE00095B00D2772B Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <4MhTLC.A.0LE.YRwGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:29:12 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: OT:Re: AW: What's experimental? > Experimental > (1) music for which the outcome is not foreseen (Cage) > > well, if Cage borrowed the term as a label for his music then I guess > there's no argument with that. Labels are useful. > > I'd imagine that a truly experimental musician would have > a whole catalogue of acknowledged failures along with > their successful works. > > Surely to qualify as an experiment the outcome has to be assessed in some > way, and preferably in some way that was decided before the experiment > was performed. Indeed! Following on this it has to be admitted that while engaged in the process of an experiment, it could turn out any possible way, including failure... And so if one publishes something and anoints it as "experimental", they're also admitting that it wasn't some Grand Design at work in their minds, implying a degree of humble pie on the menu. I've heard people introduce a work as "experimental", almost in the sense that "it's a miracle this made it to the state you're hearing." Perhaps a balance between our own intent and sheer chaos, then? I'm happy enough with that. SP Goodman * http://www.last.fm/user/SPGoodman http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.youtube.com/enturbulata From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 17:07:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 048003BE7B; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Tkna5ejQDp5/+80TXPkLWw8B1N6pnka8p6+3nlYlC0o=; b=KTKN2oUBcQxa1w7GXJf19trrEtBLDyMcssAebPRAlyxmX3y54zBJIMdX/jDL6EmVm0 ov0JMd0ijh4RmueiRg+emML0IWNw/BwXKuTFk5y6QWdbaVu5HiPaSyDzsc8QxU1/lRdc /ZqPU6ciUOSqMbEj4cpQFIK18GkVPV0Tg5PVY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=WebApCT8bpskONPN4TBs2RFEi+v8xja7PRsjC5pkBDLUMzP0+8qkdLIoI1OW+n3aFR Y8yaSPfFqR4NLYKPslZR3vZ8QVPoGZKjFW+uZxSBWcJclHD7EYIRCrNFj9h8AmEl6U4T cl4HqXNGEgfczvr+rX8JXeA3zPBbTcTGhKCpQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:59:51 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:07:19 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to > repeat yourself... > > Stefan It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be ignorant enough. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 17:28:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E03F3BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FnSgkjBLSiwjuV0b2DmrGusW/weG2THEqYEP27AYizE=; b=iKpl19I07mNkRXE9NtRSPSAvtxunhS9/2WayJs4aDvMto1+Mq+3jpnXwClKkerOMZq P41p/Us9T9oIqX1TNFr9cM0zRDFubcTnL0zZCmdQbuyf4fDj47aBslXlkq6sGERDtyjP gY5P3mHh6+P7wpBZ/G0kfR2t2GnfaSU5gnLZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=OunLQJxPveotmENkqj11FTYcxfIYx6OB2DDN59gSa3pTDWy+myqirPJWDbiodh204g jt90oMNeeYfe/DFH972QGFhXcyl8BB0gI37oVz/+3w4Ii4o9Ckt5x4VxSjD+545chHVD CxRIlK9FnCfbVzesIpM+9WEi+/86i/nBjtAdk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:28:05 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5919_30448035.1226510885144" References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:28:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5919_30448035.1226510885144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be ignorant enough. fantastic! Having spent some time with douglas hofstatder writings on strange loops and self referencial sentences this one would definitely fall into that catagory. True loopage in the syntactic/linguistic realm. The creten is lying and this sentence is utterly hopelessly false. Paradox, a conceptual framework for the looper..... Unreal and Real, live and mediatized bound together in a feedback loop of reference or something..... On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje > wrote: > > > Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to > > repeat yourself... > > > > Stefan > > > It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be > ignorant enough. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > ------=_Part_5919_30448035.1226510885144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be
ignorant enough.

fantastic! Having spent some time with douglas hofstatder writings on strange loops and self referencial sentences this one would definitely fall into that catagory. True loopage in the syntactic/linguistic realm. 

The creten is lying and this sentence is utterly hopelessly false. Paradox, a conceptual framework for the looper.....

Unreal and Real,  live and mediatized bound together in a feedback loop of reference 

or something.....

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje
<stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to
> repeat yourself...
>
> Stefan


It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be
ignorant enough.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com


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The next thing I write is the truth. = The last thing=20 I wrote was a lie.
 
I have been trying various things to = "unlearn" and=20 get something new going. Different tunings, different instrument (oud),=20 new effects, I got a yahoo widget = with Enos=20 Oblique Strategies cards. I also go to the Chain Tape Collective and = listen. All=20 of these have helped some. Any other ideas to refresh a flagging = creative=20 muse?
 
Jeff
 
 
 
=93Imagination is more important than=20 knowledge.=94
"Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the=20 world."
          &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ; =20 Albert Einstein
 
http://www.myspace.com/= loopsinphasespace
http://www.youtube.com/use= r/sticky899
http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918<= /A>
http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Byron=20 Howell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, = 2008 12:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: What's = experimental?


It's hard to learn to unlearn. You = have to=20 try really hard to be
ignorant enough.

fantastic!=20 Having spent some time with douglas hofstatder writings on strange = loops and=20 self referencial sentences this one would definitely fall into that = catagory.=20 True loopage in the syntactic/linguistic realm. 

The creten=20 is lying and this sentence is utterly hopelessly false. Paradox, a = conceptual=20 framework for the looper.....

Unreal and=20 Real,  live and mediatized bound together in a feedback loop of=20 reference 

or=20 something.....

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Per Boysen = <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan = Tiedje
<stefantiedje@googlemail.com>=20 wrote:

> Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, = though its=20 hard to learn not to
> repeat yourself...
>
>=20 Stefan


It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to = try=20 really hard to be
ignorant enough.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com=



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------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C944CA.DA3BBB40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 18:37:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B3A3BE78; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Nyboer Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:37:45 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:37:47 +0000 (UTC) I don't have any good local suggestions (SF, if that is your current locale), but search "mac repair" on yelp.com and you'll have some numbers to call and get what you need. If you get it mail order, OWC is always a good place to get things: or newegg: On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:50 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to > spain. > so i went and bought the new macbook pro. > > astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables > in the apple store. > so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my MOTU. > > not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which > doesn't have firewire 800. > > ACK. > > you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind > with the machine? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 18:40:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29AD03BE78; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=oAFB9TViaz7ZBlZDNrUJjLfZpj4pqiw9yke3aWyryvw=; b=BCEVZrUZ98G9Ie41mtssGPVggyBL/w6V6SS0dmtZhZGoNopFCcQj2d97dSjUJBG+ET mSWNIWAjiLi4ewuW5sxvRBf5R/4FS84ng0T23FU3FqeZS7rUFT1kKZL0pj8N14eGLci4 aleoc0gFx4f1SUsz7I2PhV0LZj0jN7/qM6KN4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=esr6ugW5IOskXOMZTAKVMYrDW75flPer3cwPWNS2WbjI7/tBnd082UYVno48HFoPey Cu6Jh0IU/9J/Eu5Q0Tof005hCPXPw1XFvRDETusZFllZvK7L02CYVzCqYo7bNnVNBArZ yX+V1i4SZOrj5CMM72DoEgExEeb83iHiT1tA4= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811121040r7f0a58e7hbd7604edd5d879d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:40:01 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Per, you said: > Rick and I were the only ones that "improvised with structured blocks" and [...] the daily magazine came out with a review that mentioned exactly that > "Per Boysen's live looped ambience music with layers over layers of > sax- and flute melodies was a real experience, and it was obvious that he is utilizing the electronics as his personal expression without being a slave to the technology." [...] > So this journalist had obviously felt the longer time bows Rick and I were improvising with At the risk of appearing not to understand what everyone else does: how is it possible to extract from that review that the journalist had felt the longer time bows and was able to tell that you improvised with structured blocks, instead of just jamming? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 18:59:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB4BF3BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: 4NrP3JYVM1nPUSJXVQN3M7ANSDpw1KxmACoBtOmRHGUNKlqr5YE391GpOCCkfKN29th9IZGfulag2lgKaXZXylEViaT6QLX3nMYvUVKduxJ1KVtqj1P9_28Vzb0Sby_UrN2aEZA9PyUlMOdNqCC_OwSI X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.247.3 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: Thomas Wegmann Reply-To: theweg@verizon.net Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000d01c944f4$c3c22780$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1040260771-1226516392=:70897" Message-ID: <543776.70897.qm@web84106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:59:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-1040260771-1226516392=:70897 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try and reproduce sounds from nature, city streets, crowded hallways, feel = the tempos of the sounds, break them down, many new creations there, everyd= ay it's different but a challenge! =A0 weg My URL http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater My Blog URL http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Jeff Duke wrote: From: Jeff Duke Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:30 PM The next thing I write is the truth. The last thing I wrote was a lie. =A0 I have been trying various things to "unlearn" and get something new going.= Different tunings, different instrument (oud), new effects, I got a yahoo = widget with Enos Oblique Strategies cards. I also go to the Chain Tape Coll= ective and listen. All of these have helped some. Any other ideas to refres= h a flagging creative muse? =A0 Jeff =A0 =A0 =A0 =93Imagination is more important than knowledge.=94 "Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Alber= t Einstein =A0 http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918 http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html =A0 =A0 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Byron Howell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:28 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be ignorant enough.=20 fantastic! Having spent some time with douglas hofstatder writings on stran= ge loops and self referencial sentences this one would definitely fall into= that catagory. True loopage in the syntactic/linguistic realm.=A0 The creten is lying and this sentence is utterly hopelessly false. Paradox,= a conceptual framework for the looper..... Unreal and Real, =A0live and mediatized bound together in a feedback loop o= f reference=A0 or something..... On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Per Boysen wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to > repeat yourself... > > Stefan It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be ignorant enough. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 = 10:01 AM --0-1040260771-1226516392=:70897 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Try and reproduce sounds from nature, ci= ty streets, crowded hallways, feel the tempos of the sounds, break them dow= n, many new creations there, everyday it's different but a challenge!
 
weg

My URL
http://www.myspace.com/noyestheater

My Blo= g URL
http://blog.myspace.com/noyestheater

--- On Wed, 11/12/0= 8, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
Subj= ect: Re: What's experimental?
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comDate: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:30 PM

The next thing I write is the truth. The l= ast thing I wrote was a lie.
 
I have been trying various things to "unle= arn" and get something new going. Different tunings, different instrument (= oud), new effects, I got a yahoo widget = with Enos Oblique Strategies cards. I also go to the Chain Tape Collective = and listen. All of these have helped some. Any other ideas to refresh a fla= gging creative muse?
 
Jeff
 
 
 
=93Imagination is more important than know= ledge.=94
"Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world."
&n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;            = ;           Albert Einste= in
 
http://www.myspace.com/loopsinpha= sespace
http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899
http://www= .vimeo.com:80/2141918
http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html
<= /DIV>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1= 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: What's experimental?


It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be
= ignorant enough.=20
fan= tastic! Having spent some time with douglas hofstatder writings on strange = loops and self referencial sentences this one would definitely fall into th= at catagory. True loopage in the syntactic/linguistic realm. 
The= creten is lying and this sentence is utterly hopelessly false. Paradox, a = conceptual framework for the looper.....
Unr= eal and Real,  live and mediatized bound together in a feedback loop o= f reference 
or = something.....

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje
<<= A href=3D"mailto:stefantiedje@googlemail.com" target=3D_blank rel=3Dnofollo= w>stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though it= s hard to learn not to
> repeat yourself...
>
> Stefan

It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard t= o be
ignorant enough.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
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--0-1040260771-1226516392=:70897-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:04:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 491433BE79; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081112183043.8EC0B3BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:04:10 +0100 References: <20081112183043.8EC0B3BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Oh my. I'm kinda glad now i ordered a black macbook of the old generation, refurbished, firewire 400, 2x usb2, 2 GB RAM, Superdrive 8x, bluetooth, airport extreme etc etc - for only 1030 euro, four days ago. received it today and transition from old ibook g4 was nonproblematic (yet). even runs with my ancient motu 828. i'd almost be as drastic as recommending you to sell the macbook pro and get a hold of a refurbished macbook or the last generation. typically those computers run even better than the former brandnew retail models. best of luck, in any case. - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 12, 2008, at 7:30 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > OT: new macbook rant From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:12:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5FF23BE80; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zlq3VeaHj1LofD4l2SbuvxHTUWmVjZmwlT2u/GlbG74=; b=sT4xwyiqofAMajajfUOi38JmXWsID06yysLTArzqpv730oolM3rKcKSkooEKJ6B0V3 4Od05SAcOzj5ccS0cm8SPAm5LDJzZXQE0xtx3B+/hRAmTe0A3uUUFfPiBl9YZFW6kl3c 2vWkvlubE7WRhWEzHKASqCbMBcA7qOfIFbvbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IdOO7IBU33mCMTtbL2J8x4Ntm//te/fb6wjoFtXBOP1iOZIpkMKOiGFPypAZKU0xNq soSaHPuFl/d7opLsf7tV49msl7uUDghQKSNdv/eqW60fbVERV1qve9qU5KNbjxZYPBNf 1AELfCnebCkjJP9SbOO3Jhfpp4BY67GuqaI8U= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811121112r79d2a6do8d1ed314a83c303a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:12:14 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Articles on Live Looping as Compositional Tool In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0811121040r7f0a58e7hbd7604edd5d879d9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0811121040r7f0a58e7hbd7604edd5d879d9@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6s5We.A.aXB.PqyGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:12:15 +0000 (UTC) > Per, you said: > >> Rick and I were the only ones that "improvised with structured blocks" and [...] the daily magazine came out with a review that mentioned exactly that >> "Per Boysen's live looped ambience music with layers over layers of >> sax- and flute melodies was a real experience, and it was obvious that he is utilizing the electronics as his personal expression without being a slave to the technology." [...] >> So this journalist had obviously felt the longer time bows Rick and I were improvising with On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > At the risk of appearing not to understand what everyone else does: > how is it possible to extract from that review that the journalist had > felt the longer time bows and was able to tell that you improvised > with structured blocks, instead of just jamming? > > Rainer By "educated guessing" based on the fact that we were doing more of that compared to many other acts that were very good in my opinion. But you can of course never be sure about how other people think and experience music. It might as well be that this journalist doesn't like electronics and thinks that "only the use of melodies may be regarded as music"... or some other hang-up he had about something. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:19:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 832223BE77; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:19:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fM/qTmMUlZEpBaIT7EkFxGHdGs2nyUTo9OFL5wF4AkA=; b=J+9P0rhB+9C/pGJveSCIy1OaFShBFavw+ISowrWYtUUmgh3SViStBV6yQ0Etqqgpu3 FkJyvaPUbMeILoeIOZtWHS1K+0I/kOE+CWe/6E+53i3RA4kecJy5SsD2yYIh8iV4v1Xy Q6GKVZ7dRuda/Eh39gINq0ROQr+eblOidhCSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Qfh0IXg0mSUlZXzpPvLOVdHZaMgDtiMOv4L3341wnTICPf3+QqhbaMm2wA0jvQqRAh 05WiHAsRTRBd5SAg5GfwWQ9/SxBxLVYFfi8xxyEpVwdbpNHFVcyIUGLpsc11C1mfEqq/ ML5UI3mdUJZXYtyq7mNlqCMcWFQueQrG7t8qU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811121119p339b0ff7u2618844784a35ab3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:19:40 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081112183043.8EC0B3BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:19:51 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:04 PM, jayrope LD wrote: > Oh my. I'm kinda glad now i ordered a black macbook of the old generation, > refurbished, firewire 400, 2x usb2, 2 GB RAM, Superdrive 8x, bluetooth, > airport extreme etc etc - for only 1030 euro, four days ago. received it That was a nice price! Congratulations! :-) I too like to buy "last years model" so I can assure that it will be working well as I intend to use it and also to be sure there are good drivers out for hardware. When it comes to music related use of computers I give total priority to stability in praxis rather than features (that I may not need) by specification. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 19:20:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 587323BE85; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1261 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:38 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant: spanish ballet Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:59:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 0c5f2bf7-b0ec-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwRffTQRGRpo UEhBUlNaHgBhCx8E SBgZTBh1dxtEe3pu YEB9XHVZWVt6OxsM MTccfDBdZW9gamUZ HkJdfgsacFBPKB0X PFdiBnNYMngGZy40 WgY+NDt0ZW0GeHsM T1BWdVxOV3wGTHYb e0JKGzgwVUgMTC80 KB9uMFcaABRZKV07 N1o6WRoSOhsWBxE2 X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <5FcsO.A.3wB.HyyGJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:20:39 +0000 (UTC) oh i know i can find anything online...its that i'm on my way to spain and needed to buy everything now. i made the dumb assumption that the apple store would sell cables for their computers. doh! but i'll find a cable or adaptor in spain hopefully. anyway, i'm hoping live looping on the new macbook pro is zippier. my sooped-up first generation MBP would start crackling if it got hot and no matter how many tracks, i could never run any effects onstage. the music for the ballet is the most CPU intensive looping i've ever done. so hopefully that extra oomph will help. if anyone is in Spain...here are the details...! The Ballet de Teatres de la Generalitat presents the premier of the ballet "Llebeig". A new ballet choreographed by Asun Noales with live music composed and performed by Zoe Keating Nov 20 to Nov 28 Teatro Principal Valencia, Spain best, zoe On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyboer wrote: > I don't have any good local suggestions (SF, if that is your > current locale), but search "mac repair" on yelp.com and you'll > have some numbers to call and get what you need. > If you get it mail order, OWC is always a good place to get things: > > or newegg: > Submit=ENE&N=40000001&Description=firewire%20400%20800&name=Cables> > > On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:50 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > >> well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to >> spain. >> so i went and bought the new macbook pro. >> >> astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables >> in the apple store. >> so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my MOTU. >> >> not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which >> doesn't have firewire 800. >> >> ACK. >> >> you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind >> with the machine? >> > From s_tututgtg@yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 19:29:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 402 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:29:03 UTC Received: from n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.221]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 52F103BE73 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:29:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.226] by n26.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 19:22:19 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t7.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 19:22:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Nov 2008 19:22:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 576450.93569.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 93444 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Nov 2008 19:22:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=v8jqerTQ96pFaGvPMG5EA302JcVxW845H7Y0uQ0PyQ2SDNM4gsOXiHN9NYdt+dU8+t2c3b56EDGzJiEu0yfxhGiK+rEV2F1Ywnct3QU86yi5ZHFs3mMot03OHs+DEzhbU+Z1+ewUDk4YimYsvtP0at1ueVcsyPX4f8kmFAqfHaY=; Received: from [196.200.81.29] by web45509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:22:18 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 11:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: sam tutu Reply-To: konguei00tg@yahoo.com Subject: Dear ----Sir To: s_tututgtg@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1143926766-1226517738=:93100" Message-ID: <968329.93100.qm@web45509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --0-1143926766-1226517738=:93100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear=20 =A0 As it may interest you to know, I got your impressive information through t= he business directory at chamber of commerce and Industry here in Mali-Bama= ko, where I was seaching for a good reliable contact which I will entrust t= his oppurtunity .=20 =A0 I am , Attorney Banabas Tutu Guei. 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Dear
 
As it may interest you to know, I got your impressive information through the business directory at chamber of commerce and Industry here in Mali-Bamako, where I was seaching for a good reliable contact which I will entrust this oppurtunity .
 
I am , Attorney Banabas Tutu Guei. Personal Lawyer to an American national who is now late Mr. Bob Williams , who died on 4th February 2000 on board with Alaska Airlines Flight http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list
 
More details about the deceased himself, you can check on
( http://www.nativefederation.org/history/people/Bob Williams.html ). Since then I have made several efforts to locate any of his extended relatives, this has proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to trace his relatives over the Internet, to locate any member of his family to assist me in repatriating the consignment he deposited with GLOBAL SECURITY COMPANY here in Mali-Bamako,  The consignment valued 7 million. Dollars
 
The Security company has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the deposit confiscated within the next three official working months. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for months now. Please I am seeking for your consent to present you as the next of Kin of my deceased client to enable us take over the proceeds of this consignment paid to you and then you and me will share the money. I do not know if you are in anyway related to him as your last names are similar. Please, even if you are not in anyway related to him, I want to know if you will be interested to claim this consignment. I will want us to have a meeting to enable us agree on the modalities and the sharing ratio to carry out these operation.
 
Above all the meeting will afford us the opportunity to know ourselves and to know the roles to be played by any of us! . I will try to provide every necessary legal documents that can be used to back up this claim . All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us seeing this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement from any breach of law. You have to assure me of your honesty and sincerity .


Attorney: Banabas Tutu Guei.
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--0-1143926766-1226517738=:93100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 20:11:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F113D3BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Cc: info at zoekeating Message-id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant: spanish ballet Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:10:57 -0500 References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:11:25 +0000 (UTC) hey Zoe, http://www.granitedigital.com/firewire1394bdiagnosticcables.aspx they sell the best quality cables.. call them and ask for an overnight... even to Spain. the web store is not so easy to use, I've found. you want 6pin to 9 pin more specifically this one http://www.granitedigital.com/firewire1394-b3ft6pinto9pinwithled.aspx enjoy Teddy K >> >> On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:50 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: >> >>> well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to >>> spain. >>> so i went and bought the new macbook pro. >>> >>> astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables >>> in the apple store. >>> so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my >>> MOTU. >>> >>> not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which >>> doesn't have firewire 800. >>> >>> ACK. >>> >>> you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind >>> with the machine? >>> >> > -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 20:21:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99593BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:21:38 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=uOa8zl3eWvmVZWZrRreQVabVuRuYWtzQZwlEzvB43uloLa6/dFaHIU1uuoEPT0KltIKMWBm1b6v0zBj72L23YDYbmKXZ2aei4sXhq7Z8H9SrfWLZSyb5vE3+4mf0P0PuuaXze799dvWCOcCwUurthgpDAvUFFZSFV+7mVWfB95I= ; X-YMail-OSG: iWThwV0VM1muBHcsRw4ForUvbUS.BnC60AwPOvSH8m7ulBZQxujZ3p05NbNVZ7aNx71UVBqMqxW.SBcdyqr38W5uaUdCDgpx12J0r0LJ6oaHQecZ1h.H_PextMlYWEUSHkQAAwHss7GEcYbF.Jbd46KQ X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--894409848 Message-Id: <3B27B039-6A38-4212-93B6-228593BF017B@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: My album and Ableton Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:14:53 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:21:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--894409848 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey My debut album is now available to listen 2 as a free preview on my site. www.mattstevensguitar.com Let me know what you think good or bad. All sounds produced by banging, looping, hitting, strumming one (broken) acoustic guitar - no other sounds where used(apart from some hand claps and stomping). Also I'm thinking of trying an Ableton live set up for looping - any tips? Is that what Zoe Keating uses? Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-4--894409848 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hey

My debut album is = now available to listen 2 as a free preview on my = site.

www.mattstevensguitar.com

Let me know = what you think good or bad.=A0 All sounds produced by banging, looping, = hitting, strumming one (broken) acoustic guitar - no other sounds where = used(apart from some hand claps and stomping).

Also I'm thinking of trying an Ableton live = set up for looping - any tips? Is that what Zoe Keating = uses?

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




= --Apple-Mail-4--894409848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 12 20:39:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D258C3BE7E; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081112202139.6108B3BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:39:50 +0100 References: <20081112202139.6108B3BE82@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:39:53 +0000 (UTC) Yes Per, that was my intention. Also i think, that Apple's firewire port removal on the new standrad MAcbook is nothing less than a scandal. One, that stinks, actually. It seems, that Apple is trying to pull out of their own data transfer standard, while purposedly forcing professional customers into having to buy bigger models now. Well, i am not paranoid, but simply aware of the fact, taht almost everyone i know using macs for professinal (music) tasks has decided on buying an ordinay macbook in the last years: Because they are already way over- equipped for teh average music need. in any case: The new "Blackbook" works nicely now, but give me a few days to explore the eventualities. I'll report back for sure, if it starts to suck (i am aware of potential problems with non-ppc macs, be it max/msp for instance..) greets from berlin! - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:21 PM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > I too like to buy "last > years model" so I can assure that it will be working well as I intend > to use it From service@intl.paypal.com Wed Nov 12 20:59:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2280 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:59:17 UTC Received: from spider.farelogix.com (mail.farelogix.com [216.220.54.168]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998623BE75; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from conversion-daemon.spider.farelogix.com by spider.farelogix.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) id <0KA800201KM8O1@spider.farelogix.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:58:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from User (251-219.36.89.tvb.ro [89.36.219.251]) by spider.farelogix.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0KA8001NFKSNO7@spider.farelogix.com>; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:58:10 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:03:47 +0200 From: PayPal Departament Subject: Due to recent fraudulent transactions...!!! Reply-to: service@intl.paypal.com Message-id: <0KA8001NGKSOO7@spider.farelogix.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 Content-type: text/html; charset=ks_c_5601-1987 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 00:19:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2027D3BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=nHVQuNlrHdQ95ijSc0dwgJfvOuCiDIt9Kt/Ob2xbeURqT7zFg6NWUN68sMpwPdGxIFc5JhR+yXdt+6WweKra+MNMWqxEPoWZm28RoNB4nVIR2iCG6YJCkgosXhLCdkb04Vy0M9gKlGmFzREOytF1DvoVG9+vozhutIwjO7Upl5A=; X-YMail-OSG: USpHIh4VM1lCpm5BcRzJTMp.LMI7PsdrrXKdoeuFDmPZ4K7_tP4fOD0eTKcE9EcFar8BTMvtqkKeljljZnBv5cmqR5bVophWTXgQ6gJdxgYLCJhMjVnzQzsms_XhcD4EkYPVBUehaG1_WlOjd5GiPtbTKVLBXGcrKP5AL45y9ej47ktSqgHAtQ4Ynto- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:19:11 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:19:12 +0000 (UTC) Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day and rec= ord it. As a result of doing this steadily for the last couple of months, n= ot only has my level of=A0musicianship generally increased (rhythm especial= ly), but I was able to identify=A0distinct characteristics=A0of my playing.= It might be a rhythmic figure or melodic contour. As a result of this, one= of the ways in which I now view my playing is in terms of a "pallette" tha= t I=A0select from. Maybe this is basic stuff to some of you, but I had neve= r thought about it in those terms before.=A0=0A=0AHaving a solid grasp of t= hese things makes it a lot easier to identify when I am doing "the same old= thing", and having recognized it, be able to make a conscious choice=A0to = change (or not) what I'm doing, as well as be able to consciously choice to= go outside of that palette or remain in it. In this way, the palette itsel= f grows over time.=0A=0ABTW, I don't believe that "not repeating yourself" = is always a good thing. But I do believe that it is always a good thing to = know your own playing well anough to realize if/when you are on "autopilot"= , and knowing this, to be able make whatever is the appropriate choice for = you at that moment.=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom= : Per Boysen =0ATo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co= m=0ASent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:59:51 AM=0ASubject: Re: What's exp= erimental?=0A=0AOn Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje=0A wrote:=0A=0A> Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, = though its hard to learn not to=0A> repeat yourself...=0A>=0A> Stefan=0A=0A= =0AIt's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be=0Aignor= ant enough.=0A=0A-- =0AGreetings from Sweden=0A=0APer Boysen=0Awww.boysen.s= e (Swedish)=0Awww.looproom.com (international)=0Awww.myspace.com/perboysen= =0Awww.stockholm-athens.com=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 06:16:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BBE1F3BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=87dIqz6krT+LxYb1KIsth0uDYOyZv270lZpX38RjmRY=; b=J+QZT03ukKnYmO6ChWm8uWNeZ6BDyd2UkyXoAZlCB41lv5u4JdBKhyKOIoe+GXBcl6 V2zhQvtW41HYv15Wfb18P5pc9pBKhIyGhI5v48tWh9i80JHlmS8acODrCHrxTMlyHu6C 3OzdznKlNlk3EoYyFenXBJOdrOGHb3k3QfM+Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iodsn6ciNgIoxDTuEChlnp0RiJ4pczwe0hItFJtLEMN8KXS1KUNREM7oEhW0uWsu8P NBalivjDEI4Z0j+IjYdJXERha6lPOtS9IoZ4JI93blTlkX5BlahhyrPk9Srdm/rzqzhp MI3bfaaMur81BUSQv85eI6arlzr4653L1XamE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 07:16:12 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant: spanish ballet In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <59E3D9C5-2818-4B1A-AA08-97C1405CCA13@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:16:14 +0000 (UTC) hi zoe, looper at one single hour by car from the teatre principal... by the way i don't have an adaptor from fw400 to fw800... just own a macbook (not pro) and fw400 cards, audiofire2 and audiofire12 that you can use. also all my other equipment, if you deserve. could try to find that adapter for you here as well. don't hesitate to ask if i can be of any help. raul. 2008/11/12, info at zoekeating : > oh i know i can find anything online...its that i'm on my way to > spain and needed to buy everything now. > i made the dumb assumption that the apple store would sell cables for > their computers. doh! > but i'll find a cable or adaptor in spain hopefully. > > anyway, i'm hoping live looping on the new macbook pro is zippier. my > sooped-up first generation MBP would start crackling if it got hot > and no matter how many tracks, i could never run any effects onstage. > > the music for the ballet is the most CPU intensive looping i've ever > done. so hopefully that extra oomph will help. > > if anyone is in Spain...here are the details...! > > The Ballet de Teatres de la Generalitat presents the premier of the > ballet "Llebeig". > A new ballet choreographed by Asun Noales with live music composed > and performed by Zoe Keating > Nov 20 to Nov 28 > Teatro Principal > Valencia, Spain > > best, zoe > > > > > > On Nov 12, 2008, at 10:37 AM, Peter Nyboer wrote: > >> I don't have any good local suggestions (SF, if that is your >> current locale), but search "mac repair" on yelp.com and you'll >> have some numbers to call and get what you need. >> If you get it mail order, OWC is always a good place to get things: >> >> or newegg: >> > Submit=ENE&N=40000001&Description=firewire%20400%20800&name=Cables> >> >> On Nov 11, 2008, at 6:50 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: >> >>> well, i'm desperate and need another stage machine before i fly to >>> spain. >>> so i went and bought the new macbook pro. >>> >>> astonishingly, they had no firewire 400 to 800n adaptors or cables >>> in the apple store. >>> so until i find one i can't actually use the darn thing with my MOTU. >>> >>> not to mention transferring data from my old macbook pro, which >>> doesn't have firewire 800. >>> >>> ACK. >>> >>> you'd think for the money that there would be cables of some kind >>> with the machine? >>> >> > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 08:54:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 382D73BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:54:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RxqOs995Vgrayh4v3/oQ/Kizc7azXA9MF2Hs36PjdJo=; b=fi3AzCG0dLVgw6/614znK1jZq3NcoFoNGgk+U92IfCmtVpAC2hNm6Wp9fcGzdm1RQL fUvbFxOgd828iusS03j14C3xVtkKgudbiySX+KbNs6xBmbjYg7vNYDKIg5qKBUfujY6I 4HtD96OOPN57xjtK/1Yoq1Abo4RwVdB5JM+T8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=eHzYujzuvpBcJdylyqb6oYVSrkVIWatbILtxFBEpp960ebR9gOg68kYA0h6sUSJh72 TmWULmR5Y00rtf3mTu+p0HB2LZA7Eid7Mhy68vmnv9+xvTPCwaeHiG8NOsW21Ax50YbP sRROLyey5XJ6t0jM7yjCAw1wTZj4uHFWppMow= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811130054v3034ea17xb94faba6fcc7f133@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:54:11 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-_XoL.A.vKD.0s-GJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:54:12 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:19 AM, George Ludwig wrote: > Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day and record it. As a result of doing this steadily for the last couple of months, not only has my level of musicianship generally increased (rhythm especially), but I was able to identify distinct characteristics of my playing. It might be a rhythmic figure or melodic contour. As a result of this, one of the ways in which I now view my playing is in terms of a "pallette" that I select from. Maybe this is basic stuff to some of you, but I had never thought about it in those terms before. > > Having a solid grasp of these things makes it a lot easier to identify when I am doing "the same old thing", and having recognized it, be able to make a conscious choice to change (or not) what I'm doing, as well as be able to consciously choice to go outside of that palette or remain in it. In this way, the palette itself grows over time. > > BTW, I don't believe that "not repeating yourself" is always a good thing. But I do believe that it is always a good thing to know your own playing well anough to realize if/when you are on "autopilot", and knowing this, to be able make whatever is the appropriate choice for you at that moment. > > -George Hey - such a great post! I hope many will read that one! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen - this morning "on autopilot"... ouch! Maybe some (more) coffee will help? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 10:53:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BFE83BE7E; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:48 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:53:57 +0000 (UTC) From: "George Ludwig" > Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day and > record it. As a result of doing this steadily for the last couple of > months, not only has my level of musicianship generally increased (rhythm > especially), but I was able to identify distinct characteristics of my > playing. It might be a rhythmic figure or melodic contour. As a result of > this, one of the ways in which I now view my playing is in terms of a > "pallette" that I select from. Maybe this is basic stuff to some of you, > but I had never thought about it in those terms before. In the beginning of my looping efforts I didn't make an effort to analyse what I was doing, but at least I made scads of tapes from it all. Thankfully this was unlike my vocal/radio/writing efforts in the late 70s, when, in college, I was so broke most of the time that I used the same cassette over and over again, as it was simultanously a master AND the submission to the radio station. This was Old Radio/Firesign-style comedic material (Fake commercials with shampoo that gets your boyfriend to propose to you even if he's the Wrong Guy, 'Want Ads' for people like "Girl/Guy with multiple personality seeks meaningful relationship with midget. Call Dave, Druscilla, Steve, John, Larry, Liz, Robert, Nabeel, or Frank, at ..."), each bit around five minutes long when aired (only round three times). I'd get the tape back from the station after they had played bits from it, and when the 90-minute Maxell ran out of free space I just started recording over it. I know, I know! Years later I figured that I'd done nothing worse than the BBC, ABC/CBS/NBC etc with the early TV show footage, but it's still lost forever except in the tape machine in my brain. So YES, record @#% everything. > Having a solid grasp of these things makes it a lot easier to identify > when I am doing "the same old thing", and having recognized it, be able to > make a conscious choice to change (or not) what I'm doing, as well as be > able to consciously choice to go outside of that palette or remain in it. > In this way, the palette itself grows over time. Great point again. As a listener I find particular irritation in a guitarist when I detect the reuse of chops, and it reduces the enjoyment of the performance as well as the artist, depending on how dense the reuse becomes. As a player I try to remember the same, so this one goes up on the wall with my Uncle Sam "I want you to practice every day!" poster. > BTW, I don't believe that "not repeating yourself" is always a good thing. > But I do believe that it is always a good thing to know your own playing > well anough to realize if/when you are on "autopilot", and knowing this, > to be able make whatever is the appropriate choice for you at that moment. Perhaps one way to avoid this problem is to keep looking for That Sound. Thanks George! > > -George > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Per Boysen > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 8:59:51 AM > Subject: Re: What's experimental? > > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Stefan Tiedje > wrote: > >> Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though its hard to learn not to >> repeat yourself... >> >> Stefan > > > It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try really hard to be > ignorant enough. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:11:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B144C3BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 106625264/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.150.212/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.150.212 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlsBANeZG0lPTpbU/2dsb2JhbAAI0GiDV4ND X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,596,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="106625264" Message-ID: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:14:46 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Loop software with varispeed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:11:43 +0000 (UTC) a quick questionnaire for anybody interested. If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change with associated tempo change) in your looping device of choice, how would you want it to work? (One way would be to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for instance.) Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts in the sound? If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth Any other dreams? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 11:38:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C35F63BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:38:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=oJl9/uaXuudYEmrX21DpwnnKVTwpMXglLHcrd9uu/o8=; b=I6nl/+IEQjyW5JktrTTXV0sJ7CJvvooekJT5Dlet/jUr7r9IzWWi5giD8seD9ieS70 0PEJFEPfwQuwBWy/Nbs5KQRnPKbF2rXBgQXwsjADjuURQLWW883nwomS2dooRXx0VT+S T+oAwr+1ZxS3/EngdBV242+ssDWHrjaIsQEBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ncio6GO/a6S1JXf5A/UiO3fK/XPa+uEX0+llgVojM4KX8Z3BOTkc6c+dz6XJRsI4EO 5Q7Bd0aD8sfkBgw9x+dHrJac1rZLz/62jD53RYkzUoe8GFuCB4BWXB3Wqzz/m/Fe77tA qsqY4NPyK2+WV2nRaMo2ls6f1lUrKKFfzwn4o= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811130338t49136706q27b9aaa78873dd8e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:38:10 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26022_4627092.1226576290752" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 075c5bdf0b0371e4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:38:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26022_4627092.1226576290752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, andy butler wrote: > a quick questionnaire for anybody interested. > > > If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change > with associated tempo change) in your > looping device of choice, how would you want it to work? > (One way would be to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for instance.) > Definately... a dedicated cc is only usefull for that slow down end of gig trick... (EXCEPT in cases like... see "Any other dream"s...below) being able to select pitches via midi note would rock, cos despite speed change on tempo you could sequence the pitch IN TEMPO... just like old skool sampling, before time-stretch. Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts > in the sound? ESPECIALLY if it cause artifacts in the sound!!! If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth In order, Octaves, Fifths, Thirds, fourths, all up. but ONE semitone UP and down would also be useful to me. > > Any other dreams? > > A "Slew" (portamento, glide) setting between the pitches. A "Quantised" but continuous controller version. In various scales. (that uses a pedal (or joystick, ribbon cable, Nintendo Power glove... ) to sweep up and down through the range of pitch, BUT jumping between preset pitch divisions. (Chomatic, Major, Minor, Pentatonic, Mixalodian etc) Peace in the World Donna Stiles, first ever girlfriend 11 yrs old. How about a small built in sequencer of pitches? (either a pedal you press to advance to the next pitch you have programed in a row, or done automatically, by 8ths , so to program you select a note jump and a timing... NOTE+3 TIME 4, NOTE + 2 TIME 8 , NOTE - 6 TIME 4 . mark > > andy butler > > > > > > > > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_26022_4627092.1226576290752 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
a quick questionnaire for anybody interested.


If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change with associated tempo change) in your
looping device of choice, how would you want it to work?
(One way would be  to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for instance.)

Definately... a dedicated cc is only usefull for that slow down end of gig trick... (EXCEPT in cases like... see "Any other dream"s...below)

being able to select pitches via midi note would rock, cos despite speed change on tempo you could sequence the pitch IN TEMPO... just like old skool sampling, before time-stretch.

Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts in the sound?

ESPECIALLY if it cause artifacts in the sound!!!

If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most?
e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth

In order, Octaves, Fifths, Thirds, fourths, all up. but ONE semitone UP and down would also be useful to me.

Any other dreams?

A "Slew" (portamento, glide) setting between the pitches.
A "Quantised" but continuous controller version. In various scales. (that uses a pedal (or joystick, ribbon cable, Nintendo Power glove... ) to sweep up and down through the range of pitch, BUT jumping between preset pitch divisions. (Chomatic, Major, Minor, Pentatonic, Mixalodian etc)
Peace in the World
Donna Stiles, first ever girlfriend 11 yrs old.
How about a small built in sequencer of pitches? (either a pedal you press to advance to the next pitch you have programed in a row, or done automatically, by 8ths , so to program you select a note jump and a timing... NOTE+3 TIME 4,  NOTE + 2 TIME 8 ,  NOTE - 6 TIME 4 .

mark



andy butler











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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_26022_4627092.1226576290752-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 12:09:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4558E3BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:09:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OxWX0tqpfvoDjY3d1DY4/OGfuSvEyCCbSo/j0vcEgsk=; b=V6MmnQM7yWp5YutmOFuskqoIJQ/05evCknM7yuilh4aH4F9IpIercDJFYZde/aCH0u O32wszIdcV9pZKQqX61a42iMAwJ5YgjzpfAl9qJWIqTLbFb1hsgVeug+9WkMBMujAct2 hE7aRkTu8ivkufRucKRY1WjlkymY6awRVhMMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LvxGQQ+/kBUfESa9MVyI6yb2CxKHLW5VupGNWjb/51SDWpnNYntsqHYGA7w6f8Pb0v j90PzHE6CJD4qKFjGHl5NYwheQsogTa8YKQSIwcgF7+u8e3aXwR6AJVcbfec8p0V0ker BhqfH2aw3f82YqKEoNgVQkpN/L3sZaYJ0UBSE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811130409s6fbbc602x72ca45f2c61b2d9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:09:05 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:09:06 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:14 PM, andy butler wrote: > If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change with > associated tempo change) in your > looping device of choice, how would you want it to work? > (One way would be to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for instance.) I'd like it to work with MIDI note on events (pitch going half-steps) and also with a MIDI CC# of choice. As for the MIDI CC# alternative I'd like to chime in with Mark on "quantized settings". But I would rather call it "user customizable tables for micro tonal tuning". Now THAT would be a killer feature! The "slew" thing is nice too. I already do that with Augustus Loop in Logic, by graphically drawing automization for long and slow varispeed pitch changes over time. That can create sort or "THX sound jingle" things, morphing one unison note into a chord. The looper Logeloop has that function built-in and it is awesome! You set a time value for how long time one patch will need to change into the next patch and if different varispeed values are part of those patches you will get the slew thing behavior. Modular MIDI sequencer Numerology also has a slew function in a rectangular X/Y parameter vector grid controller. I'm amazed that not more software use the "slew" (or "inertia" as it's called in AGusustus Loop) dimension. > Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts > in the sound? Sure! Some of the coolest sounds I've come across were regarded "artefacts" by some (Elecrixpro Repeater to mention one). But I would find just a two octave span useful as well. > If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth Octave, fifth, fourth as my highest priorities. Next priority would be some interval that would lend itself handy for whole tone scale music, like a sharp third or, a second or a flat seventh, or why not a sharp fifth (that's cool for "bellish" stuff if layering). But generally, if not having access to every half note by varispeed I think I would look at the option of using another looper (since I like very much to play loop's pitch freely from MIDI pedals - organ bass pedal style) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 12:45:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275963BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BhNqcGtbRo5y7ck+6zH4t68N7NHueEreSwpBLvuppw8=; b=E6rmwWAUb0lLP8t7eDq9BEsH2W1ElkdLTReDSc6EJp4+7mldHke40pif75EjIdrhFA 7Zp1UzomYOK2ExgDBz8EX0zudFlTcE1Mbsh8iBiy/utdtqTpX022iWxGXV7AHQA++46Y Bz7rpFOyaUvL+evRHQbkr7ttnrinDnFMHDRWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HjZp2RzPVn+s2Mj99J371dhJRy+rREiGwLyRLBzXjn1X2uIMTBA/zdj6gPdJ9SZ5sA A36gpgk7KmB+OEzE4HV7XyDPYyiKBB2UbjU+d/nOWT1ewGCgU1ZlmF8vYbQthQ570/uh D/CHnw21vkoKqRQHrLBWCmKkUuxTBlO2UyHHs= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:45:47 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811130409s6fbbc602x72ca45f2c61b2d9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26804_8602199.1226580347542" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <66f9cc1e0811130409s6fbbc602x72ca45f2c61b2d9a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:45:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26804_8602199.1226580347542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well you can already do some of this stuff with the looperlative from one octave up to two octaves below i have a template set up on my novation controller where the drum pads select intervals from -1 octave to unison through the dorian scale for discreet pitches and i have a knob for varispeed control (could just as easily be a pedal, of course) i was doing this with the repeater also, but that's now out of my rack - in fact the repeater allows you to pitch shift loops using any midi keyboard! sim ------=_Part_26804_8602199.1226580347542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline well you can already do some of this stuff with the looperlative from one octave up to two octaves below

i have a template set up on my novation controller where the drum pads select intervals from -1 octave to unison through the dorian scale for discreet pitches and i have a knob for varispeed control (could just as easily be a pedal, of course)

i was doing this with the repeater also, but that's now out of my rack - in fact the repeater allows you to pitch shift loops using any midi keyboard!

sim
------=_Part_26804_8602199.1226580347542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 13:16:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78013BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Loop software with varispeed Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:16:21 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Thread-Index: AclFj0QwStI1xQHHTxm2nl/nNNFOSwAAoZqg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.31; VDF: 7.1.0.78) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 13:16:26 +0000 (UTC) > Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts in the sound? > If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth you really get me salivating Andy :-) of course I'd go for the extremes here :-) but it would be cool to have some easily accessible presets as well. -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 15:17:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 271173BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=EyfvpL0QagXEOQ9KG7NSWcNMteVc+Yx43ddzBK/8/qE=; b=a7FcKtsGOiXnc97QcxOwH6TNe1WwXGu8Jl/02lnYzsYxs2tSp+HavDiWNijAKKhUs1 9U5GBZ7+cDELMHiEboGbU1Xu8Uzg2/72YRhI3sPSs4Ik9PtowWayPhcmpAIf/dGazdRX 6e/IUBTlgSpDH4wDnqxVBLrH1/EnX9oE+7jzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kJeMXWNEEhZ4ElNHvtjgfr7546sMv142P+ENyx3u45/TnVHLVfo2zksVRMEiersmlt pDmC3JbbofwIXmlCKOUZrX7zp7GHX92flv5v+9F2EYvftfrI7HZEJTPyJylY7FvAsMS3 n28yXluPGSN0pS7qjoLIWK4C/HU8xWDvEkEc8= Message-ID: <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:17:51 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11338_5246312.1226589471918" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 988227ab01e7d876 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:17:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11338_5246312.1226589471918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i have some pitch shift in my own looper, but it's just based on changing playback speed. I have found that quantizing the pitch shift, so that it doesn't occur until the start of the next cycle, is very useful, if not critical. ------=_Part_11338_5246312.1226589471918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i have some pitch shift in my own looper, but it's just based on changing playback speed. I have found that quantizing the pitch shift, so that it doesn't occur until the start of the next cycle, is very useful, if not critical.


------=_Part_11338_5246312.1226589471918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 15:44:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB1703BE81; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=NiSSn8zZjFgdATB0077xO4Hr+Jo3M4aPveSmWNf7Z/0=; b=YOe1Wy2GYh2H7cpo1jBp49ob9HVjZQX7IdfyAKcgNMBha4EwwZdyjKDRM3DaUXhTZM RUIuBPYcsPMmO/OuRxgxL+K5+yR0sPH3Eu3FGvX4u2VtxRLd5U2LptPpk2CvImksYFcF xDhhcWXk/iK0E81odehdkZXsslSwZGXV1BDQ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=N2jT49ZUEWuv/qfIDDrzrf2NjPBkSa2Sg23QNraCasEOebfBXa2bQIbh2FzeHfxld/ yzPcUi+VoDIWMX+mXS/0wOCWhlh4B/vh4W6xdstvhZ80Kj/CyfLZWXKtFUQ1Bt88wlN9 VWYw/XlTFr/ieelTA2vipfopBd+G9HK4rrdPU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:44:34 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c00ac7366b66a69b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:44:36 +0000 (UTC) 2008/11/13 andy butler : > If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change with > associated tempo change) in your > looping device of choice, how would you want it to work? what, you mean like Augustus Loop has had for years? :) os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 17:02:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52BD33BE81; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: andy butler , LD Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:02:04 -0800 Message-Id: <20081113165913.M93895@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Midi control (with the option of controllable and preferably from 1/4 tone up to extreme range pitch bend capabilities) with the greatest possible range (YEAH!!!!!! Artifacts) That would be my dream. And I'm getting a looping chubby just thinking about it, Andy. How damned exciting to even consider it's possibility. You just made my aesthetic day. love, Rick On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:14:46 +0000, andy butler wrote > a quick questionnaire for anybody interested. > > If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch > change with associated tempo change) in your looping device of > choice, how would you want it to work? > (One way would be to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for > instance.) > > Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital > artefacts in the sound? > > If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth > > Any other dreams? > > andy butler -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 17:06:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D7C3BE86; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bw4fud89L0rbV8yJWRzGkR4iMLbw5ZLeQwZyhRUnJf8=; b=lvI+Fef8wpcRcmzgTNRx8Ef5UhhE1mky9J2JKR1xMlj35HGj8dDDuiMx/eHwQo+4bw yfuScI3fqybESHltpgIBnaZtVP4EPnXlgtWpW8rS+K1AtVDjagGYOpJqDM/j3sIJAvl2 xg8EOUAdv/h+R+swivwy+VXIvACNAbgZLXr4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IUcC12HBVZC7bVY/eX9yelgcuwSSq3rVkzQX3vrWjf2HW9U+6PNgKpAjisBFLjZzyE TjtFyCOnY+3JDSL+4MIlQP0MGaVBJDPX6XsGEBvCbSP+sVmSbdkRegj1veWaANBpguj4 MCJrz+9hholq+KUIoKKBOef6XcOfhF44L8ToQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:06:13 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:06:14 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > i have some pitch shift in my own looper, but it's just based on changing > playback speed. That's precisely the kind of varispeed this thread is about. So please don't hesitate to throw in your two cents! > Os to Loopers-Delight > what, you mean like Augustus Loop has had for years Exactly! We all know that, and it has already been mentioned once in this thread. It would be interesting to read what people actually think about the questions Andy posted. It's not much use with a poll if everyone is simply posting description on how specific looping devices/application already work. I'd like to see more wishes and wet dreams :-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 17:59:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A76123BE84; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=L1uA//CT/pIszPVEgIIm5qq5eeHoN/SrmAFB433+y3M=; b=sJG++c+t1jLz2GU+RgS3lYLPVsLJSRUhWDSanOUHzKPhKfMYm3XTHOAUotsHkcJVgn qDVLhR1Oi2j/MjCD3dyCsoEoKgPpcTsXQiAyBpjv+fDnPv08ivcB5sLNnVKFRgC9lJkr OsFBNss7sTCMuxR8an5zqHPEMbcBvKnKAzTCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jxgTMZAmBb2CWp24lIe2iJ4NjxKiwcFTp46Kzw/NX0VKEecYJDZxIjbGAnKwiA92/M NiqNqL/XEGpYUm0ospeR1OTTLKJxbFdP2e1IP2yz4RvnfIEnHdjAocIAYoGYING8XaDi B91MLRV5b8dkJdwJwytXxzmLr84cL5rcs18i0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:59:09 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 811ee3407fae2581 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:59:11 +0000 (UTC) 2008/11/13 Per Boysen : > Os to Loopers-Delight >> what, you mean like Augustus Loop has had for years > > Exactly! We all know that, Well, I wondered whether we all do. From the replies to Andy's mail, you'd think that this was the first time anybody anywhere had suggested such a feature. Forgive me for touting my own wares at every available opportunity - I'm aware that I rarely pipe up on this list without doing so! - but there's a lot of effort invested in Augustus and I really want people to find it useful. So anyway, I'll throw something into the discussion - how about if the varispeed was sequencable? (Or would you just do that in your host with parameter automation?) Or, would anyone want to play chords i.e. multiple re-pitched copies of the one loop? cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 18:17:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7AB53BE81; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CqoKKS4Jj8AOolGYGy8KgOTl1hHq0Mh9ZlLlofVA6lA=; b=B1rf4/8j0K8eOGX5I5tAMeWUxQC5sGGu0TJH5h1ZOOqiOKdlvaIlFSvIAN+pMUoT+N JvGhyhZ4FFn9DSatdgfJ3LmeT6DdCs1VU37rLXSCyyASpb/PlU1bjTIW8WDKdsEvjrqv eYZ9DLO+XVWZPJW9L7gBcmm8cfuqEE1toF2EY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DloMXFk/gZOJV5bYiy53Z/KtXNkAYCZfmRSoHq9gefSrF2WXhF04baRbbbwttXcbdf DcvCabXhy8RCnQLM7N6wCXzQWLpUWnATAMAANtG4yLkcfQpS+R0s5iZxO/Q02zS7MIwI laLx026zF+chEweWlsxBbldsUITyGdfn43OIM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811131017m19697410s842c0dc5a413b229@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:17:31 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:17:32 +0000 (UTC) > 2008/11/13 Per Boysen : >> Os to Loopers-Delight >>> what, you mean like Augustus Loop has had for years >> >> Exactly! We all know that, On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Os wrote: > Well, I wondered whether we all do. From the replies to Andy's mail, > you'd think that this was the first time anybody anywhere had > suggested such a feature. Well, I could say then that Augustus Loop already has it the way I suggested! I.e. speed/rate shifting ("varispeed") both controlled by MIDI note on (for playing the loop's pitch) and by MIDI CC# for non-quantized pitching, as in "scratching". As I write before, I only know about Augustus Loop and Logeloop that offer the continuous varispeed. The Repeater does it with time-stretching which I find less cool. Mobius only offers halfnote steps (even though that's useful in its own right) > So anyway, I'll throw something into the discussion - how about if the > varispeed was sequencable? (Or would you just do that in your host > with parameter automation?) Well it IS already! Sequencing varispeed of my live loops is my main excitement in Augustus Loop! I would prefer to do the sequencing in another application than the looper. A looper with built-in sequencing for varispeed etc doesn't really ring a bell here. I'm more pro modularity - letting each appl handle what it does rather than locking the user into using a few specific techniques. > Or, would anyone want to play chords i.e. > multiple re-pitched copies of the one loop? Very cool as well! I've been working on a Numerology 2.0 host setup for Augustus Loop to do both of these tricks. I used Live for that back at the Z=FCrich loopfest, but with Live you have to run Live as the tempo master and that feels a bit lame. The MIDI sequencers of Numerology are nicer than Live's IMHO, but it's hardly a "plug-and-play looper set-up" ;-) --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 18:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877A13BE7F; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:37:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--814167698 From: Rev Fever Subject: OT: Mitch Mitchell (sorry, some sad news) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:32:15 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=AWL,HTML_MESSAGE, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY,WHOIS_NETSOLPR autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on 216-55-168-226.dedicated.abac.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:37:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--814167698 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed And, especially sad news for the world's drumming community. Only 62. Way too young, IMO. But also, talk about someone who had an INCREDIBLE Life! He'll never be forgotten... http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iMk5t3tNG7T2RnaO5xp87ShcFBxA Rev Fever http://www.spiritone.com/~rvfever/ --Apple-Mail-1--814167698 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
And, especially sad news for the world's drumming = community.
Only 62. Way too young, IMO.
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= --Apple-Mail-1--814167698-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 18:42:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AF863BE86; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:42:54 -0600 Subject: RE: Loop software with varispeed Thread-Topic: Loop software with varispeed Thread-Index: AclFuYpnz5MSCryDTv2u1Cwk7QJAjgABZ69g Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <70iP-B.A.ckB.yUHHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:58 +0000 (UTC) > So anyway, I'll throw something into the discussion - how about if the > varispeed was sequencable? FWIW, Mobius has a thing called "rate sequence" where you can enter a sequence of rate shifts expressed in semitones relative to "normal" for example: 3 -5 8 -6 0 Then bind MIDI events to the functions RateNext or RatePrev to step through them. It isn't automated sequencing, but it lets you step through a sequence with one footswitch so you don't need a keyboard controller. >From what I can tell this hasn't been used very much. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 19:06:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE6563BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:06:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IKyOjNRbWz0CM4m0w2uq333pEUbcUcSqjAOuAAq0v9w=; b=x+6NvwdHUsV/FZjjNc5xOzjnMYi7mvMcoNFolO3ipoS9k7j5byyz869GRYkUIkTiMb Isx2C+RLvX+d1bCAD4Tx94gX0SVzil1i0/WZVhDcKa738rIjAi6Mxxog97aYrkcwaTnQ Wg4Nyc8m8RCdesiJtYkArS5emJosdTDCYZ8dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ImkOEYSMV0tEH4vSpMdyd6A4mqBfnJ8BW0+bPv25K2rpYfzWVFX9KneCJBADmBFE2i 0ugT5cFiWOzNPtqyW0TMMhtVr39wmyXqr8CFoPugxrJwcfy3dBz8M4aqaEKkOeBDE2Hw +6Uu8qFHSojZYuR+lzOr4jPCgan1R61IiAWWE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:06:16 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:06:17 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> So anyway, I'll throw something into the discussion - how about if the >> varispeed was sequencable? > > FWIW, Mobius has a thing called "rate sequence" where you > can enter a sequence of rate shifts expressed in semitones > relative to "normal" for example: > > 3 -5 8 -6 0 > > Then bind MIDI events to the functions RateNext or RatePrev to > step through them. It isn't automated sequencing, but it lets > you step through a sequence with one footswitch so you don't > need a keyboard controller. > > From what I can tell this hasn't been used very much. > > Jeff Well, at least I have been using "rate sequence". It's especially cool for playing chord change vamps all within the same loop (Mark Francombe suggested this, but never mentioned it's a Mobius feature). However, I rather prefer binding foot pedals directly to the different rate shift values, so I can vary the order in which I jump between different chords. There is also an interesting aspect regarding poly rhythm to explore in varispeed. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 19:54:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683EB3BE81; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iuKdg+c4D4P7HpyojcN7ACidAhvZget+4pjbfnkYRqE=; b=xAUc2ELBVKTeoqpu53CiNjVAlP5I54nEKKiTPRpEsZblM1bmVtwh5xlR0yMajzKEVQ 2VnEwu4xHQDPJohQ2DTfVAj852prWVXhzZocSozWwmcQYq2BKVaRL63zsOJEcQyDbgMO 2/coetRd3oZIvaYuzmZlHsxnXO578dlfSRaQA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wxrXuMMxK5L8+R8hlwwqPPXy0B4a1hR6YBwnadxJlBrdnY0Y0O6F0C5bC8UmEmiGxx iQam8kiIYuoqUuTXs5Nh9rYoyVyqyCjNA4NN2KoDpMkkK8J94OuDJWA15NuBYCOOfKAZ +rHq+u5DLe9uyBoQA2nVrR7+c1BbE02m5pCXg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:54:12 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:54:13 +0000 (UTC) I love the idea of varispeed pitch shifting. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:10:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 525833BE7E; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=EeU+pMUu5Wsl7fSqgHhE9VF7n/jUAfQb5De9beerQSc=; b=FYweUEjXiQldYJ0C2ADR4hn9+bTDJ0ZKSVOXCTVFdkjRS2pB/tJDeiwIwfoEZt6VtE ey5roFMSSpYfr//14mEzGCHqZG6Jmb9t7V8ofqBVIdYzmeYOUWrvLc6Mqw+lVQXX8s8v A+7JgEPolp4zpn30oLhqXAM6XLIdKFIpborcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hGUuOgJBD0x8VYqIprL90JyrPgu3LvTbevyGykFyRv5zsLv0frLlqBM5TuJLP/soMu K4/gZDU1vGehITDN/uPsQidbTo2i+38XiY4ckmhD/Ikoe+EvYciY1nC9aDCIYW/+s+qm TaRf53XDMLz3DxfJ/eYjUfUi8O8cLluNwotk0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:10:17 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811131017m19697410s842c0dc5a413b229@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811131017m19697410s842c0dc5a413b229@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 140426f86d0ce93c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:10:20 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Well, I could say then that Augustus Loop already has it the way I > suggested! I.e. speed/rate shifting ("varispeed") both controlled by > MIDI note on (for playing the loop's pitch) and by MIDI CC# for > non-quantized pitching, as in "scratching". As I write before, I only > know about Augustus Loop and Logeloop that offer the continuous > varispeed. The Repeater does it with time-stretching which I find less > cool. Mobius only offers halfnote steps (even though that's useful in > its own right) SooperLooper also has continuous rate-shifting, for playback/record/overdub. You can bind to a CC for continuous, or clamp the bindings to single values for jumping to a specific rate. Right now it does not have a quantize to semitone for the rate (although it could and should). SL also has a pitch shift (not changing speed) which can be quantized to semitones.... quality is just OK and it is a CPU hog. While we're at it, it also has timestretch, same caveats as pitch. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03223BE79; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=VdnAPNuO4/bwhP6hLa+Fku5oXXevE3zkdhn3lyk8VJ8=; b=UrhAOhtqHtAuLw0Rz0ekOX7NQ1ly9mWzevf682O1tYZeLiGLg6L7AJbVnPyjE/Qw3Z htcrv8hE5Dqf2JJaMOiICimJy9iTYNCaiQVT7bUIiVjGDtaQMmQQZvRyKi152YRRGS7T ZGS6440286/UPHWUpJn9EhS9QspUbKFE0MyTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LmqKRisieF3SHiLpN5IqIyw19xzT0Xa3zqOvcgIvzurio6XAI1D+LWkfm5Z+2Mx2Gx HrDZeDdRK+pHKtKP67WYKfd7epsEVilX1Kq14DSzjNVeGK7OQbCi3lnirFSqViDefG4x HmtssZvAPBeVfp6AN5IsHxXQ90FlDLj1b0eck= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:19:29 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37568_12335725.1226607569687" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3efab6d60aac6c40 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:19:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37568_12335725.1226607569687 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per Boysen wrote: > > > Well, at least I have been using "rate sequence". It's especially cool > for playing chord change vamps all within the same loop (Mark > Francombe suggested this, but never mentioned it's a Mobius feature). Actually I forgot, it always crashed when I was checking out Mobius Mac, so I never tried it! I have gotten a new PC since but have yet to try Mobius on it... my love affair with Mobius turned out to be a teenage crush... I shall return, no doubt, but I need time. So I actually thought that up myself, without thinking, or maybe Mobius functionality is buried deep in my personality, having reprogrammed my psyche and all Jeff has to do is type !Autoload KILL and the world (at least the looping world) is his? > However, I rather prefer binding foot pedals directly to the different > rate shift values, so I can vary the order in which I jump between > different chords. > But this makes me think, isnt all this "Rate shift is cooler than Time Stretch" talk a bit nonsensical.. Im interested to hear you use this Per... Im certain you can use octave and maybe 5ths, but isnt ANY other rate gonna RYTHYMICALLY crash with the beat/pulse of your music. Now Im all for weird shit, but RATE shift a bit of a one trick pony (Like the afformentioned, by me actually) Tape slow down effect, we have all used at the ind of a gig). I promise I am only talking here, not having ever TRIED rate shift on Mobius, I have no idea what Im talking about... But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH more musically usefull? Mark -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_37568_12335725.1226607569687 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline  Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, at least I have been using "rate sequence". It's especially cool
for playing chord change vamps all within the same loop (Mark
Francombe suggested this, but never mentioned it's a Mobius feature).

Actually I forgot, it always crashed when I was checking out Mobius Mac, so I never tried it!
 I have gotten a new PC since but have yet to try Mobius on it... my love affair with Mobius turned out to be a teenage crush... I shall return, no doubt, but I need time.

So I actually thought that up myself, without thinking, or maybe Mobius functionality is buried deep in my personality, having reprogrammed my psyche and all Jeff has to do is type !Autoload KILL and the world (at least the looping world) is his?


However, I rather prefer binding foot pedals directly to the different
rate shift values, so I can vary the order in which I jump between
different chords.

But this makes me think, isnt all this "Rate shift is cooler than Time Stretch" talk a bit nonsensical.. Im interested to hear you use this Per... Im certain you can use octave and maybe 5ths, but isnt ANY other rate gonna RYTHYMICALLY crash with the beat/pulse of your music. Now Im all for weird shit, but RATE shift a bit of a one trick pony (Like the afformentioned, by me actually) Tape slow down effect, we have all used at the ind of a gig). I promise I am only talking here, not having ever TRIED rate shift on Mobius, I have no idea what Im talking about... But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH more musically usefull?

Mark

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------=_Part_37568_12335725.1226607569687-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 20:56:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4623BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:56:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=EQvb01xGsQe8AeGM1xmEdXUHVzdtmZP91UisnY2El/o=; b=mUUvUQFjt3Z2Hu+zl5LqH3F3Xt8V/qNzAh5B0OGDsXdD91k8Q93w5pPadBSGauNf47 UenhrzH/f/uRgGdkwxwHv+XriRISfZg62Dr/TQhkHO2xDBuIsE1v7OkLOD6dZMZKwbym q81fuNVyE0nqKEX89byYTkkcnTd5qK1p+XA7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=HsGJKgRekXzAaSnkrvSQI8GDLZh0kGaX2fnEns6UJdotILlnNbUzr7F32XX9qyKlj4 H0YYs/lYdZxpON7UAUrdhiJ4SDARrytf242oJD5xSFHEYfhJDwShfMzoULa4zTHv2PYK FYqtgL3rgBwJXbY5Iz3LZKQ3nvCSJ+nmPiAdY= Message-ID: <101191640811131256g25d1ffcfx6d3f0104e62307b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:56:01 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17102_18303837.1226609761630" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 54e533bcb6708ee0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:56:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17102_18303837.1226609761630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline personally, i think that rate shift is cooler than time stretching. I like both quantized in pitch, with the amount controlled by the notes on my midi guitar (nice, crazy pitch shifting feedback like i used at Y2K6), and unquantized, where i "play" the speed of an existing loop track (in my multiple-track system) with the mouse. I prefer the mouse to a footcontroller for this, tho a slider would probably be fine. And, when I'm using more "sane" pitch shifting, where the rhythms stay coherent, i like it to be both quantized in pitch and onset time, and triggered by me typing a key (2 to double, 3 to triple, F2 to halve, etc.) Also, i find that it is extremely helpful to scale the volume somewhat inversely to the playback speed - make slower sounds louder, faster ones softer. otherwise the highs get too shrill and the lovely lows disappear. Warren ------=_Part_17102_18303837.1226609761630 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline personally, i think that rate shift is cooler than time stretching. I like both quantized in pitch, with the amount controlled by the notes on my midi guitar (nice, crazy pitch shifting feedback like i used at Y2K6), and unquantized, where i "play" the speed of an existing loop track (in my multiple-track system) with the mouse. I prefer the mouse to a footcontroller for this, tho a slider would probably be fine. And, when I'm using more "sane" pitch shifting, where the rhythms stay coherent, i like it to be both quantized in pitch and onset time, and triggered by me typing a key (2 to double, 3 to triple, F2 to halve, etc.)

Also, i find that it is extremely helpful to scale the volume somewhat inversely to the playback speed - make slower sounds louder, faster ones softer. otherwise the highs get too shrill and the lovely lows disappear.

Warren
------=_Part_17102_18303837.1226609761630-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 21:09:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64E613BE7F; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:09:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491C9796.90903@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:09:42 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:09:48 +0000 (UTC) I'm not a software dude, but varispeed is my most prized tool in looping, from the Digitech PDS to my current tape setup. I wish I had the ability to slow all the way down to subsonic pitch, and all the other way to hypersonic too. I'm now looking for a Hiwatt tape echo (anyone tried one?) since it includes foot-controlled ability to affect tape speed. Mark and Per mentioned slew, which I think is a fantastic thing and if I were to go to software I'd lobby hard for control over it. I use the half/reg/double tape speed switch on my four-track to get octave jumps, and I love the sound of the machine ramping up or down to the new pitch. My previous machine (Yamaha) had an especially slow and dramatic slew when shifting down, and I miss it terribly. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 21:10:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B0AE3BE82; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2446 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:10:44 UTC X-Spam-Level: Spam-Level Message-Id: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> From: Stefan Smulovitz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Instant Composition Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:29:56 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:10:45 +0000 (UTC) > Per wrote: > > The most simple form of improvisation is to simply react on sound by > making sound, that causes a reaction, that you then react on by making > another sound etc etc. This may cerate interesting music both from the > interplay between human musicians and the interplay between musicians > and looping devices. It's a developing spiral of questions and > answers. It's a bouncing fun game. This is exactly why I like the term instant composition. When I hear good improvisation - even completely free improvisation - I feel an underlying sense of organization in time. The use of form, repetition, counterpoint - all of these are things I like to hear in improvisation. I find simple reaction improv based on a simple form of listening to be less satisfying. Obviously looping creates form by its very nature - but I think all improv can be aware of form and gain much in musical richness if it takes advantage of compositional techniques. I think all of the masters of improv are fully aware of this - but there is another level of improvisors that use energy and creativity in great ways but could benefit from some compositional thinking. So to add to the thread about practicing - I would recommend practicing thinking about composition. How is this improvisation structured in time. Theme and variations, ABA form, even verse, verse chorus as loosely implied by the music in your mind. Also when playing with others - or while looping - yourself. Think about counterpoint, contrast, expectation and delaying expectation. Listen to some Bach - read a classic theory book and see how you can subvert or use the old forms to create new music. If you listen to Kurt Schwitters' Ursonate (http://www.ubu.com/sound/ursonate.html ) - I love Jaap Blonk's version - you get a sense just how powerful form is. Also interesting to think that this was done in 1932 in terms of the experimental music thread. In fact I would call this an experiment in the power of form. All the best, Stefan --------------------------------------- www.kenaxis.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 21:40:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E8EA3BE80; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=cc4ssQkveB+14PxzxrfAZ9C4ooLLC6VqwmwAsCASIVg=; b=PiklH5Df1zzCeAOacRI/SVKVpNQen8jBgYXueGAOMcZGBm8/K75jGGYDR2C33uxBU5 71h5/ZwtAvOV+s2KRsbWo55Sb+iVUTd1cvToLzblUtxVf2+UIEhJOdlMsGtu3Tg1qo45 Sb3YUQtDKF4d/UkF48yWqyRNemC06/+mN7ohI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=e+RZXR7fh+mfa9vHaFKan30LNSJuu/VLd7qMKVvU1gqi0trFcBW9QqGmHlHfl/efGB uUzDibHLjBIYU7dHryBprvfhEeAEdmq4niYKxR6HigpKzqVaOxAU5s+sNbtOjSVNoeTM lhuIbgFIM9om2mrskADcwVO3g9j0nd8kzet00= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811131340j4c1f477brb29b85140c3c9d5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:40:32 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed (sounding example clips) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:40:33 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:19 PM, mark francombe wrote: > > But this makes me think, isnt all this "Rate shift is cooler than Time > Stretch" talk a bit nonsensical.. YOu think to much. ;-) > Im interested to hear you use this Per... For a sounding example clip of this, listen to the song "Shine" at http://www.stockholm-athens.com/ (live rate shifting a loop that is constantly overdubbing with feedback set somewhere around 75 percent) Or this direct access clip: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Nostril_Waltz_excerpt.mp3 Improvising "chord change vamps" on the looper while playing melody line over it. Or this direct access clip: http://www.looproom.com/audio/Sledge_On_Ice_In_Mist_excerpt.mp3 Improvising "chord change vamps" on the looper while using the lead melody line played through a 8th note tremolo to emphasize the original four-on-the-floor beat (since rate shifting fucks shit up) > Im certain you can use octave and maybe 5ths, but isnt ANY other rate gonna > RYTHYMICALLY crash with the beat/pulse of your music. Yes, and that's the point! Crashes are nice if you play over them. I take it you are hinting at poly rhythm when typing "RYTHYMICALLY crash" ;-) > But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH > more musically usefull? Only if you don't explore the poly rhythms that may occur when rate shifting a loop. I remember when I was using a Repeater I initially liked it that it always played the same thing but at different pitches. My first flirt with varispeed was the HalfSpeed of the EDP. But then I started fiddling with Augustus Loop together with the EDP and I found that Augustus varispeed opened up not only for all kinds of pitch changes but also for interesting rhythms. Then Mobius came around with varispeed and SooperLooper got it too. In the hardware world I've been enjoying varispeed looping since around -82 with various analog delays and Roland Chorus Delay (tape). Buy you get to a new level of musical control when you start learning those rhythmic crashes, because when in software you can set it up for a pure third, fifth or whatever and incorporate what that sounds like into your imagination for impro (or for composing if you are so inclined) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 22:24:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E54D3BE7F; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=oBkhtd0VrCyBAYklTy6KNj46yozZYDQjmyj92NADc8M=; b=YuraQsT+n7O7AC1P2q9JlRirDiDV4RC3wCOxg8fT33xMvFUUuqqLJJOLluti4Gbs1C +i4FkJ6c86zXH/4YrqG0fxknvOeXjSSb53m5U0mwqatFU2kx8mIwpYCFZ5aEUwLNN1ns piXNBlxnNJZo6lsUcJJgCFs+VVE1QB69Awid8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=p/rG7hnXMY5xVTbaMHtAK8lHuPXlMIX35ICIhtC9Dek5sy5As2Tj4Oo8XukoU6qDgA GgIhXkvAejENbp3KHXoPNzSgPbZ7xq5dxIv3JvEkv+OUrQe1oe3433WkfR6WpCxPqh51 02Y6M46JbXxuqXTSEDXKl/vnqDYAWEuqanS3s= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:24:38 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Newbie Looper wants ta share... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7176_24236014.1226615078538" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:24:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7176_24236014.1226615078538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and actually played some looping.My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered and got into mp3 format to share The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching under tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system crashes.....system failure, tangled cables....almost blew the house up) for the 'drummer'........it was a slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. But....I have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers in a musical form. Very small, very gentle, but the first of many............. How do I send it through? Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to anyone. Is there a file saring service that you use? Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through my mail account? Byron, THE NEXBIE ------=_Part_7176_24236014.1226615078538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and actually played some looping.
My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered and got into mp3 format to share

The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching under tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system crashes.....system failure, tangled cables....almost blew the house up) for the 'drummer'........it was a slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening

Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. But....I have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers in a musical form.

Very small, very gentle, but the first of many.............

How do I send it through?
Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to anyone.
Is there a file saring service that you use?
Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through my mail account?

Byron, THE NEXBIE
------=_Part_7176_24236014.1226615078538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 22:28:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60ACB3BE7F; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:28:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=DWzaD//aDRB04MpV6HHOojsUm21i0Ik+GvBnTe5kQCA=; b=LRyytt+lCgN2yc7hc2USVevijkLiRd996Xc+FFX5c+UyhDrOtMxpK5+bTXj6EWGojE OngB6eA7CiJoSr+tglt8o+war8+qk02TqZcJwhbbgqn8XcW7GNcPDDQYbNoE1h+R/zj0 ITxU6GBNpHRli1fX9lzCCFKFv/3IiQtWF3g1w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rDagjZpG2nA49Gry37LU8LwtDy3QN7dRBpYWXKVZT61lLczfs3FQTGRe9Rz3a7x7HW x3NUIAzvQPOvaea5IPBeWfie2OCt50WAP0z6IjVtWiA2khlri/HJm2GPqIXER062tBzA X3q9yXwTrNHDKLifGq4hpA1fhgAIinE0Vz/fE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:28:44 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Looper wants ta share... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9f1c3518db55f6cf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:28:48 +0000 (UTC) try soundcloud.com os. 2008/11/13 Byron Howell : > Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and actually played some > looping. > My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered and got > into mp3 format to share > The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the > acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching under > tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system crashes.....system > failure, tangled cables....almost blew the house up) for the > 'drummer'........it was a slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening > Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. But....I > have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers in a musical > form. > Very small, very gentle, but the first of many............. > How do I send it through? > Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to anyone. > Is there a file saring service that you use? > Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through my mail > account? > Byron, THE NEXBIE -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 13 22:39:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 381BA3BE82; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 440 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:47 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Q3Bx9ErZIsmQuNvTduMU91oLjjrnYAqi+UrDUkLagrwSX1rgh3Buza1hEbbNLoCeK/MI/AGVvEUnxfcJvktaKpE5sCq/q6PH+IMk53IawTnvKjpGXSSxnDYNkxjbg6u4vADu0QGXb2Ai8Ay9mr0kiAsmbp+lTegpCgiTxF0mwpM=; X-YMail-OSG: VFQcAKUVM1ksQnLy9pqVDZjY4tgx0KcoisarpiPMFJd9qFQpUzpsE6r2W4ILlWpX6USnMUlcmQl_VF4V6qkQ.YlyaO2DQGjqE1PhGAKsf7wvJ7hce8iLZVMijxxQf3e8OuxpstqeBQujmLAOWeLRrWlS2w1HtFaqIjxmbGmfGgvHetM0Fb9pwnzQUZA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 14:32:24 -0800 (PST) From: bradm Reply-To: bradmcmail@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: Newbie Looper wants ta share... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <957844.82375.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Byron Howell wrote: > How do I send it through? > Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to > anyone. > Is there a file saring service that you use? > Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than > through my mail > account? You might consider adding it to the "Open Source Audio" part of archive.org: http://www.archive.org/details/opensource_audio Aloha, Brad __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 01:27:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 083023BE81; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491CD3F3.606@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:27:15 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , E MAIL SAVES Subject: DEEPEST THANKS to the staff of the Y2K8 International Live Looping Festival and it's supporters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Because I went on an ambitious 2 month european looping solo tour this summer (which took me about 6 months of preparation and an additional month of decompression) to accomplish, I had much less time to produce the Y2K8 Looping festival than in the past five years or so. Consequently, I was really exhausted when it was over and am just now finally coming back to my energetic, upbeat self. What I have sorely neglected to do in that decompression phase is to properly thank all the people who made this festival the best one we've ever had from an artistic standpoint (we had less that record numbers of audience this year but some of that is attributable to the downturn in the world economy I think). Anway, This amazing community event would not have happened with out the incredibly selfless dedication of the following people who were my staff this year: THANKS to my STAFF: Ted Killian Festival graphics designer/poster designer/t-shirt designer (who worked for no fee whatsoever) Krispen Hartung Our intrepid webmaster for www.y2kloopfest.com our home base for the festival (who worked for no fee) Chris Roberts (aka CPR) Who hosts our website for free Megabyte Mike Our hardworking sound man (who redesigned our sound system for the first time in 8 years) Jeff Sloan The sound engineer for the world famous Kuumbwa Jazz Center who came in at the last minute and helped out with everything that needed to be done from room preparation to sound mixing augmentation to dragging a large latter to refocus the room lights all the way to and from the Kuumbwa Rodent Our wonderful stage manager who did his job so well that I hardly noticed him this year................that says volumes Chris Cohn, who manned and coordinated the door and concession tables Gretchen McPherson who manned the door and did the concessions with the help of a few other volunteers Glenn Smith Who helped out with logistics, transportation, taking shifts on the door and was an overall mensch Bill Walker Who provided part of the sound system and loaded in an out (and who provided housing to three visiting artists) Chris Wedertz and Nancy Levan Who provided housing, food, cleaned the venue, and loaded out at the end and were just wonderfully supportive spouses to Bill and I when we were overwhelmed with it all which happened a lot! Mark Hamburg For being our wonderful festival photographer. He and Ted came all the way from Washington and Oregon to accomplish this. Bob Beede For making the huge festival posters for free at Gavilan College where he runs the Digital Media Center Michael Horne For graciously letting us rent his intimate facility. Thanks for FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTIONS I would also like to profusely thank the extreme generosity of Bob Amstadt (our festival sponsor and owner of Looperlative) Bill Putnam (owner of Universal Audio) Jeff Larson (coder of Mobius, the freeware version of the Gibson Echoplex) I was also overwhelmed by the generosity of the entire community who responded quickly and generously, financially, when I posted that we had recieved only 10% of past donations for the festival this year. All of these people contributed money which allowed the festival to pay it's staff and, what a concept, me for at least a part of the many weeks I dedicated to the festival. This was a first and it was such a relief to not go into the red as I was sure was going to happen this year. I'd like to thank (in descending order of their financial contribution): James Whittmore John Johnson (aka JRJ) Sjaak Overgaauw (who will producing the first Live Looping Festival in Belgium next summer) Xavier of Gordius Mark Francombe (who though having to cancel his festival appearance at the last moment due to unfortunate health issues with his wife in Norway, still contributed very generously Todd Renolds Kevin Kissinger Art Simon Harry Weinberg David Sackman David Gans Stan Card Jim Goodin Matthias Grob Daniel Ash and all the people who bought T-shirts, whose proceeds helped us out too, this year. This is an amazing community..................................if I failed to mention anyone, please write me off list and I'll correct that ASAP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 02:17:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D928D3BE8E; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491CDFC1.5090806@cruzio.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:17:37 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , E MAIL SAVES Subject: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:17:42 +0000 (UTC) I must not forget to thank, profusely, ALL THE ARTISTS who so graciously gave their time with the generosity and brilliance of their artistry in their performances at the Y2K8 International Live Looping Festival. I don't know whether people know this or not but I was only able to get travel subsidy for one artist this year (Looperlative brought Luis Angulo one of our headliners) as opposed to three last year. This means that all 46 artists who ended up performing all came on their own dime. They came from 7 countries and all over the United States. Some of the top loopers in our scene were in the audience at 12 noon each day to cheer on the brand newbies who were playing. It was an incredible festival and I feel blessed to be associate with all of you and this wonderfully creative, supportive and frequently, 'out of the box' community. additionally, I also wanted to thank Krispen Hartung, Bill Putnam and myself for donating the equipment that we gave away to budding looping artists as part of our first year of the Y2K8 Loopers Endowment. We gave away a fully loop software tricked out PC laptop computer (to newbie and featured artist, Kevin Spears), a Digitech JAMMAN (to newbie Lindsey Wagner), a LINE 6 DL-4 (to newbie Jack Schultz) and a Univeral Audio UAD-1 (to newbie, John Connell). Thanks everyone. See you at Y2K9!!!! much love and gratitude, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 03:47:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9AA83BE78; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226634464; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=isA6E+6XMGmZ45GgPIyQcFphYKw=; b=aMvwyO2hgXcCaEutdv1Dtu6TgvorYgH+wNAlV8kF2FYdaX6fp+mtMn/3xXW8p6lI KLdynzyTu7RPDrzBxi+UPtwiy2OpFikcOpLqZduCalK609Okg8TXzfdc/l9gzTbU; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ik7VGtjqvNWtlbScLjMA:9 a=iUI1c9Tmitiibk8DMAtEJVvx76EA:4 a=8y7tGHue6YMA:10 a=BQbcloYcW76_zFOmA9kA:9 a=U1e1W6tbA6noH0HGJR4A:7 a=ohJrUjAAdrsZci3Ze7UET-7_u2AA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp06.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000b01c9460b$c01c3b30$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: ot: email test Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:47:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C945E1.D6D8A450" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:47:44 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C945E1.D6D8A450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can ya hear me now? no answer required ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C945E1.D6D8A450 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C945E1.D6D8A450-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 04:28:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5C3F3BE7F; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:28:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nFvxsyKQehOHc/skuvURt/bcJlYOzsOT2X/T0A4iH44=; b=hrs3zUM+p8fxmdhEfvHDB/Bxa895OyJGjbgdrIo7nRXq7xVhRVU5KnP+9uec6Dp4ge 1uEFYC58w+oxBVBJ7N5J8OgvgRCjwSWHXvAx4mRMogN+uHrtflW42NoJ1Mj2kH7VYrif 9SagYqmnfi1scyfvZhs5NUtAq1ZhTbey6zO1o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VNQHDjl/Vj8jFTlpx0lRIBOi5Kxh325z2/jzVgMY8TRlyNYuc4oauQYHj1nFbcRE9Q BuOVMloVcOi4QxVW9qJbIciZ5eFFQIFtuXB2tAdzppZGvv8dk3PGv/VdUruAXvoemWuJ aPQvBa5LrxJPZrHX8JV0isv0wCDCbG9x5+hjg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:28:18 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6m0NsB.A.bJB.k5PHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:28:20 +0000 (UTC) i usually approach things on the contrary way. it works better for me.no counterpoint. no theme, neither variations. even no bach at all. i had enough while studying piano. raul. 2008/11/13, Stefan Smulovitz : >> Per wrote: >> >> The most simple form of improvisation is to simply react on sound by >> making sound, that causes a reaction, that you then react on by making >> another sound etc etc. This may cerate interesting music both from the >> interplay between human musicians and the interplay between musicians >> and looping devices. It's a developing spiral of questions and >> answers. It's a bouncing fun game. > > This is exactly why I like the term instant composition. When I hear > good improvisation - even completely free improvisation - I feel an > underlying sense of organization in time. The use of form, repetition, > counterpoint - all of these are things I like to hear in > improvisation. I find simple reaction improv based on a simple form of > listening to be less satisfying. Obviously looping creates form by its > very nature - but I think all improv can be aware of form and gain > much in musical richness if it takes advantage of compositional > techniques. I think all of the masters of improv are fully aware of > this - but there is another level of improvisors that use energy and > creativity in great ways but could benefit from some compositional > thinking. > > So to add to the thread about practicing - I would recommend > practicing thinking about composition. How is this improvisation > structured in time. Theme and variations, ABA form, even verse, verse > chorus as loosely implied by the music in your mind. Also when playing > with others - or while looping - yourself. Think about counterpoint, > contrast, expectation and delaying expectation. Listen to some Bach - > read a classic theory book and see how you can subvert or use the old > forms to create new music. > > If you listen to Kurt Schwitters' Ursonate > (http://www.ubu.com/sound/ursonate.html > ) - I love Jaap Blonk's version - you get a sense just how powerful > form is. Also interesting to think that this was done in 1932 in terms > of the experimental music thread. In fact I would call this an > experiment in the power of form. > > All the best, > > Stefan > > --------------------------------------- > www.kenaxis.com > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From zon@mailbox.co.za Fri Nov 14 05:03:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 311 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:03:16 UTC Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0F103BE7B for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.18.80.91] (failure[66.18.80.18]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with SMTP id <2008111404580211300g86oue>; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:58:03 +0000 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:57:54 +0200 Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?WINNING_NOTIFICATION_MAIL:_CLAIM_YOUR_FUND_NOW=3F?= From: COCA COLA COMPANY OFFICIAL PRIZE To: looparc Message-Id: <1114657.UXGTHFXO@mailbox.co.za> Reply-To: zon@mailbox.co.za Original-recipient: rfc822;looparc@loopers-delight.com Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable COCA COLA COMPANY OFFICIAL PRIZE NOTIFICATION Ref: PBL/CN/6654/CP. 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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:37:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9463C.8B7BAC90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:36:39 +0000 (UTC) Dit is een meerdelig bericht in de MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9463C.8B7BAC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Make a website and place your MP3 on it (downloadable). Simon www.projekt67.com From: Byron Howell=20 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Newbie Looper wants ta share... Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and actually played = some looping.=20 My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered and = got into mp3 format to share The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the = acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching = under tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system = crashes.....system failure, tangled cables....almost blew the house up) = for the 'drummer'........it was a slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. = But....I have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers = in a musical form. Very small, very gentle, but the first of many............. How do I send it through? Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to anyone. Is there a file saring service that you use? Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through my = mail account? Byron, THE NEXBIE ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9463C.8B7BAC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Make a website and place your MP3 on it = (downloadable).
 
Simon
www.projekt67.com
 

From: Byron Howell
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: Newbie Looper wants ta share...

Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and = actually=20 played some looping.=20
My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered = and got=20 into mp3 format to share

The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the=20 acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching = under=20 tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system crashes.....system = failure,=20 tangled cables....almost blew the house up) for the 'drummer'........it = was a=20 slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening

Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. = But....I=20 have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers in a = musical=20 form.

Very small, very gentle, but the first of many.............

How do I send it through?
Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to = anyone.
Is there a file saring service that you use?
Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through = my mail=20 account?

Byron, THE NEXBIE
------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C9463C.8B7BAC90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 08:38:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7163C3BE7E; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references :subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :importance:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=A1cWhcjkDfUw0lrrZtFhfy7CvCSLdhkG8ZfenBx+RHI=; b=uKGkRmX01uVJoKgWSHX8KiyHXd2P6bshSCVTTGL1SWdUGfJHknASBz15r9YRtHBBgH bEzirLgejGFfa3eJuJll8clqDAgfwchAakTWVqRnHxGBh3a1SOM/0ohDMWevgTXaeBj6 te7pSbVdrXQvLksy5m2xtcJQXNTyteJf84du4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:importance:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=t2958tM9kDp2TexXGWxcFGts2vvkcV8jjdWW0gjPKt8LZwO2cfM7HVALwQBy5Im0mz unVQCIJpg41H7xcKCVF3sDm8JMDHqxFO7ek87JSukJlM8lUS+KH3G2+i31DTHUPQsBsY jHSpyKjMO59EeSpAJHzcICbU702curN8T/Wj0= Message-ID: <5A2B667C09AA4E9D919F56A3E18385C9@PCvansimon> From: "projektGmail" To: References: Subject: Re: Newbie Looper wants ta share... Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:38:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C9463C.CCFD6370" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Dit is een meerdelig bericht in de MIME-indeling. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C9463C.CCFD6370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or, a myspace account. Simon www.projekt67.com From: Byron Howell=20 Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:24 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: Newbie Looper wants ta share... Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and actually played = some looping.=20 My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered and = got into mp3 format to share The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the = acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching = under tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system = crashes.....system failure, tangled cables....almost blew the house up) = for the 'drummer'........it was a slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. = But....I have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers = in a musical form. Very small, very gentle, but the first of many............. How do I send it through? Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to anyone. Is there a file saring service that you use? Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through my = mail account? Byron, THE NEXBIE ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C9463C.CCFD6370 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Or, a myspace account.
 
Simon
www.projekt67.com
 

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 11:24 PM
Subject: Newbie Looper wants ta share...

Ok so I have finally stopped reading about looping and = actually=20 played some looping.=20
My first errrr, piece, loop, section whatever that i have rendered = and got=20 into mp3 format to share

The aim of my project was to get a system going and, what with the=20 acrobatics that go into setting up a studio (cables, plaugs, reaching = under=20 tables to et something that just doesnt fit...system crashes.....system = failure,=20 tangled cables....almost blew the house up) for the 'drummer'........it = was a=20 slight ordeal, but i got it ahppening

Spine shifting, morphing resetting keeping me in the nbook realm. = But....I=20 have something to send...my first shout out to all ya loopers in a = musical=20 form.

Very small, very gentle, but the first of many.............

How do I send it through?
Gmail takes forever for me to simply tranfer the mp3 to = anyone.
Is there a file saring service that you use?
Whats the best possible way to post an mp3 file other than through = my mail=20 account?

Byron, THE NEXBIE
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C9463C.CCFD6370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 08:55:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D0D7E3BE89; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=6Eu2tngYfcwuYRGYZG+sUdISglSOGh6PYNmMko2A3Px1Vl4K+boqqJiyQNnlkHEx1s5O3fvDR1tGFLa8oaSeVJSk94n4raPkGAM+KMDcT47iWvl/70uUGZWBDwkgCg4PmQpEcOeKQSM/zXHeh3qSwHqffvH+2Pv0nz33KgyhZ+E=; X-YMail-OSG: mry9qhsVM1lGsICIPGhPKrbT9cN_jcZapXcK_1rtGE7p8bKUKrDmQ_03vkFiC._sxVykzu3lRhuoLeNAoxcggtejl9sjOdTzPVyNvCyI2JCYzMYmWiPsBWclKPdLBNxCeOpFDeeShcOIwBlq6OHrJpOYqV4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:55:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <404435.66625.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2VUKb.A.8sH.R0THJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:55:45 +0000 (UTC) I dont know if u got my previous mail but i will repost it: my deepest regards to all of you who made this possible as well,i would specially like to thank Bob for his financial support,Chris and Nancy for being so kind and beautiful and putting up with all of us(specially the ones that snored all night)Bill for letting me use his bike and lending me his guitar picks,Glen for being such a patience tour guide(i hope he is reading this)Daryl for giving me a lift to the airport and providing baggels in the morning,James for being so kind and driving us around as well but most of all thanx to you Rick, for all your hard work to make this special event happen and an unforgetable experience.I remember years ago how some people were putting this event down and critisising it for different reasons but you have remained strong believing in it, and now look at it growing internationally! Cheers and big hugs to all of you www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Rick Walker wrote: > From: Rick Walker > Subject: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , "E MAIL SAVES" > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 6:17 PM > I must not forget to thank, profusely, ALL THE ARTISTS who > so graciously gave their time with the generosity and > brilliance of their > artistry in their performances at the Y2K8 International > Live Looping Festival. > > I don't know whether people know this or not but I was > only able to get travel subsidy for one > artist this year (Looperlative brought Luis Angulo one of > our headliners) as opposed to > three last year. > > This means that all 46 artists who ended up performing all > came on their own dime. > They came from 7 countries and all over the United States. > > Some of the top loopers in our scene were in the audience > at 12 noon each day > to cheer on the brand newbies who were playing. > > It was an incredible festival and I feel blessed to be > associate with all of you and this > wonderfully creative, supportive and frequently, 'out > of the box' community. > > > additionally, I also wanted to thank > > Krispen Hartung, Bill Putnam and myself for donating > the equipment that we gave away to budding looping artists > as part of our first year of the Y2K8 Loopers Endowment. > > We gave away a fully loop software tricked out PC laptop > computer (to newbie and featured artist, Kevin Spears), > a Digitech JAMMAN (to newbie Lindsey Wagner), a LINE 6 > DL-4 (to newbie Jack Schultz) > and a Univeral Audio UAD-1 (to newbie, John Connell). > > Thanks everyone. See you at Y2K9!!!! > > much love and gratitude, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 09:33:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D01A73BE8A; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=gjucofuFLG0v24J9gVXFu4n/jYC3cOedRlwiHcAaiVE=; b=CuFq7kk9EzLU7YsrsYTY0R9odWSBcUtA3SkLh1xtjoh7RIFa+kogbH+kJscX6Jj5Ew uZW7DqJRN9gyVxycmKE3sBAhQblkvNVoCp3+R6ZhuZXTBGMb6RS+b1O8jW4q/ZP05MJp wFAdcjL+ewc6m7txPbKPxC0/lFe/cEHdgNvqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LHBx3FHJQ2bZ7bahKt06fNcTnk8xBFpm9oI7UL9rvcjUj5aWm79sKUT9/L7TcaFDd2 h+BJn3EI1vELgHcRfJKuMi7BNMZn7d7J/lXvCBG7iaVqmNSoAME2+qekCnlYAI+cRlCA uzK8rxOWXmbB6I4qbcMdxBh+F3aNAzFAzf1A8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811140133h5ff43b19j80daac3764c61ded@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:33:10 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <101191640811131256g25d1ffcfx6d3f0104e62307b1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_47577_24906395.1226655190377" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811131256g25d1ffcfx6d3f0104e62307b1@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c202b82802267403 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:33:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_47577_24906395.1226655190377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also, i find that it is extremely helpful to scale the volume somewhat inversely to the playback speed - make slower sounds louder, faster ones softer. otherwise the highs get too shrill and the lovely lows disappear. wow thats interesting... damn another reason for me to look more closey at SW... ha ha Seriously, I AM interested in hearing examples of this rate shift effect, All I can imagine is a clattering of out of sync rhythms, which someone is dubiously" calling "polyrythmical". Maybe what Im getting at here is actually pointing towards a "new feature" for all you clever s/w writers there... How about a "SUS Rate Shift - Measure correction" Preset/Script/Parameter. So you select a Quantise amount, say 8th. AND a rate shift amount say a 5th up. So the this parameter ...( wait begining to se that this wouldnt work... damn - Ill continue with explanation tho), upon pressing footpedal, will , after quantise amount, shift to specifyed rate shift amount. so you release you pedal after a bit and insead of jumping back to corrct pitch imediatly, it waits till it has filled the "HOLE" left by speeding up the music, so for a 5th up it would play twice for every 1 8th that you recorded into. An 8th DOWN would either insert an extra portion OR if it was half way through its 8th, could cut in half... (confused... yeah me too) Just an idea... Anyway, the idea is that despite stomping about in a 16 beat measure, and pitching aboot all over the shop, the measure always stays 16 beats long, but not there are 2 double speed beats where 1 used to be, and 1 half speed beats where 2 used to be?? -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_47577_24906395.1226655190377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also, i find that it is extremely helpful to scale the volume somewhat inversely to the playback speed - make slower sounds louder, faster ones softer. otherwise the highs get too shrill and the lovely lows disappear.

wow thats interesting... damn another reason for me to look more closey at SW... ha ha

Seriously, I AM interested in hearing examples of this rate shift effect, All I can imagine is a clattering of out of sync rhythms, which someone is dubiously" calling "polyrythmical". Maybe what Im getting at here is actually pointing towards a "new feature" for all you clever s/w writers there...
How about a "SUS Rate Shift - Measure correction" Preset/Script/Parameter.
So you select a Quantise amount, say 8th. AND a rate shift amount say a 5th up. So the this parameter ...( wait begining to se that this wouldnt work... damn - Ill continue with explanation tho), upon pressing footpedal, will , after quantise amount, shift to specifyed rate shift amount. so you release you pedal after a bit and insead of jumping back to corrct pitch imediatly, it waits till it has filled the "HOLE" left by speeding up the music, so for a 5th up it would play twice for every 1 8th that you recorded into. An 8th DOWN would either insert an extra portion OR if it was half way through its 8th, could cut in half... (confused... yeah me too) Just an idea...

Anyway, the idea is that despite stomping about in a 16 beat measure, and pitching aboot all over the shop, the measure always stays 16 beats long, but not there are 2 double speed beats where 1 used to be, and 1 half speed beats where 2 used to be??


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www.looop.no
------=_Part_47577_24906395.1226655190377-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 09:55:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3BB43BE8D; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dsvOVpQ/2QJC/cFDR3lIAWTh0eMZFm8HpptRIhMxhvM=; b=I0hNQQ3rC7G/vPnJabR/RAH8uj1Xs+dieojyyXE1HJavE6stWD9TYsb/GR4VQE6gZq sRoc+KWlAxZscZzKD+4iAOYuYS08qFRsf9Z7ML2OIxrjLfgpclUvTy1GjbjKoVeDk3Qa 60O4pAG7I7Ox7oyZeWDtqCT6jHsf01ktXOUKg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=uo148HbjJTZkO0CoXt6zjPpcyIBZMtItBFLYNhzS0H+eIguskypaEbl6geofJ5jjfl 567WrrxgHB7OKwD7Aqi/oy8im3CnBg9JltZxpmHrwLNEjDcp6pNhhkw6MSqXpHX01/tc CiuMg/M3kXOtHjZbgRnEl2jf1yFHCdefBgnYM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811140155m48f1b6fagcaec4bee34571e81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:55:46 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811140133h5ff43b19j80daac3764c61ded@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <004901c94592$05b660f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811131256g25d1ffcfx6d3f0104e62307b1@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811140133h5ff43b19j80daac3764c61ded@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:55:47 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:33 AM, mark francombe wrote: > upon pressing footpedal, will , > after quantise amount, shift to specifyed rate shift amount. so you release > you pedal after a bit and insead of jumping back to corrct pitch imediatly, > it waits till it has filled the "HOLE" left by speeding up the music, so for > a 5th up it would play twice for every 1 8th that you recorded into. An 8th > DOWN would either insert an extra portion OR if it was half way through its > 8th, could cut in half... (confused... yeah me too) Just an idea... > > Anyway, the idea is that despite stomping about in a 16 beat measure, and > pitching aboot all over the shop, the measure always stays 16 beats long, > but not there are 2 double speed beats where 1 used to be, and 1 half speed > beats where 2 used to be?? Although I think that I have already posted enough in this thread I can't help commenting on your post, Mark. Because you are pretty much describing a certain functionality I have built in scripting for Mobius ;-)) What you bring about above is the fun part of using Rate Shift as opposed to Repeater-style pitch-shift with time-stretching applied. However, I don't use an expression pedal as you envision, for the reason that it is not exact enough. I simply trigger the script from a pedal button and have it to start on at a quantized time. That way I can build into the pitch/rate-shifting script to compensate for the fact that a higher pitch means shorter loop time and lower pitch means longer loop. I've managed to make this work to insert bass notes in a loop without changing the total loop length, only temporarily at the spot where the loop is shfited up one (or two) octave to overdub a substitute a slice. The solution I found is to insert a short down dip afterwards, just to enough to bring back the loop in sync with other parallel loops. I've even built a script that reverses the loop repeatedly and overdubs at different rates, so a chord stab is created from one played note. That's fun to play with, but I have not managed to make it bring back the loop track sync afterwards, Since I'm a lazy programmer I simply slapped a Realign command after that whole stab chord shaping shebang. As long as it sounds good 'n glitchy I don't mind a bit out of sync for a fraction of a second. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 10:01:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376DB3BE8E; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=CY/wmbUU0j4PkvjkzKuvEUtHxeXrhZuUQZxpAgO8w1E=; b=sAfKp9lPEyPq9UNXbgjVe1UuBpxWSQHq7+ytifSvqsKo+xIDMpWV1ezBPME/R7+aA9 myczLH0xNk1Sxv4YnX/cd3P2IEEVuS7sR3zgSpZmZ0wQdWx9raelmdgneg1Cu2MlFYHJ aOiRA16eZZWlwJw+NbZliOYOWh8PA3M7LKhkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Qx9Md55jnkY+7HDl/uVQlbI+I5rx3+0q+HSXe89bbKZKTqYO3WDy4gD5hzZH02kKOV YPB64HbX6ZQVVqTMBe09+qtO8ucZ+N/nko5c4aXHg0GKcSoaOmNohZTpbjSzp4HFpMA5 /ek7uSFvg8kpLbhZIXef0QQ5iidHq2Ygn01S0= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811140201w7d49a1bai9ac70afcd4605962@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:01:47 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed (sounding example clips) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811131340j4c1f477brb29b85140c3c9d5f@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_48193_27799314.1226656907890" References: <66f9cc1e0811131340j4c1f477brb29b85140c3c9d5f@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1c7e8392bd5ef3f6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:01:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_48193_27799314.1226656907890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > Yes, and that's the point! Crashes are nice if you play over them. I > take it you are hinting at poly rhythm when typing "RYTHYMICALLY > crash" ;- which someone is dubiously" calling "polyrythmical". I guess we posted at the same time here, Per.. oops sorry... Im sure you are NOT being dubious about you use of the word polyrithmik.. BUT... your clips, nice sounding as they are.. BTW.. do actually prove my point... they are predominately UN-rhythmic in the first place, more of the ambient bed type, sound.. so when I hear you pitch, the "sound" of the pitch change is awesome, presumably cos its reminiscent of tape top me...BUT.. you continue to play over the top in the SAME pulse as existed before, and as you are changing THE whole loop, not just 3 beats of it, its percieved as a musical slow-down or key modulation or something. What happens if you "Quantise insert" a rate shift into half a loop, and play over that, what happens if you are playing hits, hard knocks, and not drones and swells? Sorry if this is getting micro-anal, here, but Im kinda into this... I routinely sequence my repeater and edp against each other, and use the edp clock to change the rate on the repeater, to do this. Unfortunately the R aint always spot on (when its finaly found its correct speed... but...) I guess I come up with some fucking cool polyrythyms!! M > > > > But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH > > more musically usefull? > > Only if you don't explore the poly rhythms that may occur when rate > shifting a loop. I remember when I was using a Repeater I initially > liked it that it always played the same thing but at different > pitches. My first flirt with varispeed was the HalfSpeed of the EDP. > But then I started fiddling with Augustus Loop together with the EDP > and I found that Augustus varispeed opened up not only for all kinds > of pitch changes but also for interesting rhythms. Then Mobius came > around with varispeed and SooperLooper got it too. In the hardware > world I've been enjoying varispeed looping since around -82 with > various analog delays and Roland Chorus Delay (tape). Buy you get to a > new level of musical control when you start learning those rhythmic > crashes, because when in software you can set it up for a pure third, > fifth or whatever and incorporate what that sounds like into your > imagination for impro (or for composing if you are so inclined) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_48193_27799314.1226656907890 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Yes, and that's the point!  Crashes are nice if you play over them.  I
take it you are hinting at poly rhythm when typing "RYTHYMICALLY
crash" ;-


which someone is dubiously" calling "polyrythmical".

I guess we posted at the same time here, Per.. oops sorry... Im sure you are NOT being dubious about you use of the word polyrithmik..

BUT... your clips, nice sounding as they are.. BTW.. do actually prove my point... they are predominately UN-rhythmic in the first place, more of the ambient bed type, sound.. so when I hear you pitch, the "sound" of the pitch change is awesome, presumably cos its reminiscent of tape top me...BUT.. you continue to play over the top in the SAME pulse as existed before, and as you are changing THE whole loop, not just 3 beats of it, its percieved as a musical slow-down or key modulation or something.
What happens if you "Quantise insert" a rate shift into half a loop, and play over that, what happens if you are playing hits, hard knocks, and not drones and swells?
Sorry if this is getting micro-anal, here, but Im kinda into this... I routinely sequence my repeater and edp against each other, and use the edp clock to change the rate on the repeater, to do this. Unfortunately the R aint always spot on (when its finaly found its correct speed... but...) I guess I come up with some fucking cool polyrythyms!!

M
 


> But isnt Repeater style TIME STRETCH
> more musically usefull?

Only if you don't explore the poly rhythms that may occur when rate
shifting a loop. I remember when I was using a Repeater I initially
liked it that it always played the same thing but at different
pitches. My first flirt with varispeed was the HalfSpeed of the EDP.
But then I started fiddling with Augustus Loop together with the EDP
and I found that Augustus varispeed opened up not only for all kinds
of pitch changes but also for interesting rhythms. Then Mobius came
around with varispeed and SooperLooper got it too. In the hardware
world I've been enjoying varispeed looping since around -82 with
various analog delays and Roland Chorus Delay (tape). Buy you get to a
new level of musical control when you start learning those rhythmic
crashes, because when in software you can set it up for a pure third,
fifth or whatever and incorporate what that sounds like into your
imagination for impro (or for composing if you are so inclined)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_48193_27799314.1226656907890-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 10:31:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68DB53BE91; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=XCs8ZevKfCOV6BcOqxpn61/agf5cagO5PGMjmIsKtJk=; b=EFx/wQzL7rrWbsX2XnWZvgdBvtLC2b9oKr/9Gv9ZkGdMGTcFa839p0LMKFJ3/coM1y FNGl+9GdnO8sBnPETS8MCbDb6lm3cK0IaLAe8QcERDM+XN851um64ONkSELvn+do5ZQU A2LkrWqbXzyYPHfDlxQbVKqyRBXZYBSa5yBbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=S8+DfkM+cG5f8GRDFCTcV4e6sBiADilTmNVsEMR7mOV6sDsi/JleUw3D7kh1doHj+D FNEKkXJ4xZZVhiYzpTDS+Yk6B97lShnOo421i+cvKSx+clyj3SGYW/xRJvHV+8YxBx2c 7ouq7FqBQexpbQrTbJJKFc9zEcKYp1zcC+3ds= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811140231s1de56905v86b12f4578abd8be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:31:33 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed (sounding example clips) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811140201w7d49a1bai9ac70afcd4605962@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811131340j4c1f477brb29b85140c3c9d5f@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811140201w7d49a1bai9ac70afcd4605962@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:31:35 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:01 AM, mark francombe wrote: > Sorry if this is getting micro-anal, here, but Im kinda into this... I > routinely sequence my repeater and edp against each other, and use the edp > clock to change the rate on the repeater, to do this. yep, I did exactly that with EDP/Repeater in the past. > Unfortunately the R > aint always spot on (when its finaly found its correct speed... but...) I > guess I come up with some fucking cool polyrythyms!! I wouldn't like to compare the Repeater with the exactness made possible by software and varispeed (as opposed to the Repeater's pitch-shift with time-stretch values applied, which takes ages to calculate and results in that sloppy-sounding ritardando, always being the last guy to catch up). But I must say that I like that slow inexactness of the Repeater. Quite often it sounds cool to me, and if not - be quick to delete the loop or kick Undo! -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 11:47:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB68E3BE8F; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=X28D+ZQkJpSTuiTeX5a0xH5EvxTtw7UmZwUjYM/LRCc=; b=LveYQ6+TENMY4vk7E7RAhUR4/ldvmy1Y9mOHw2wZjqc9Tv5PSxCpFM1OZ5+LVLwpHE p4Mtdp8V2uTcis1F46VwEtNQOyMEhmFahpWDye0vVUjkhv3idtJlNmnJPZCelpD+xTW8 Pwy7z/EsPTpahFT5FZFRtnpJMZLiGOyXf5DSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=TsYK8qupAA3Wm7X00Uw1FTk97coFs9W9NiCdcbJ3VZgKBKq7AFHp8iiC4mr0CJcMVz Fscwhl9d/3evOS7z6a/PBXv5bKDN6D0oXADgnDxbtNycTM/QB73Rq0HdOnsnzTmcoOjM wBK052aPDvToF0vGxTpEkEG4ByfCEdrKa0YUE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:47:27 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811140155m48f1b6fagcaec4bee34571e81@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_379_23747325.1226663247529" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <101191640811130717h1e2c814v2489f91a6d95ff1f@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811130906m259c2281iede62a343097f547@mail.gmail.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7144DC316EA63@barq.sailpoint.com> <66f9cc1e0811131106t6fa77b28p245d8d933ed2266@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811131256g25d1ffcfx6d3f0104e62307b1@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811140133h5ff43b19j80daac3764c61ded@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811140155m48f1b6fagcaec4bee34571e81@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:47:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_379_23747325.1226663247529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I want all of this, Andy, the varispeed, the artifacts, etc., but I want it to be available ON DEMAND ... meaning that I can invoke when I CHOOSE to use it, not as something I am forced to accept and work around. Best to all, Dennis ------=_Part_379_23747325.1226663247529 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I want all of this, Andy, the varispeed, the artifacts, etc., but I want it to be available ON DEMAND ... meaning that I can invoke when I CHOOSE to use it, not as something I am forced to accept and work around.

Best to all,

Dennis
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 13:58:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 690833BE7E; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=7TNvr3XoyV2V4KdimDSjbEdEK8B7drqvEQOtrvTkJLs=; b=p/Z+r6j0sw7oTdz/wUrOgYO1+F/wQa9kFJ/++DcKgNCsXZl716XcyYvswb1d7tIZr+ /za+DWxoXrNMAItkBFzkEsnnkh7xRoVlbsc3MfiEVHf/Ip740My9VwCXKXRrBLvU6+YM 8GEsRcpMBe+aWixom+wE/VVEDNaNkx/hAhLMk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=GVPMQokv6kswq6GkSXana00rvGgjxyIwgCyeahUkX0Lw2ETO+7vxXLINS+Qsi921ug 0y09jS/CK7A6dtsjUzaVxMwIVe2Jwq+0s7ECqqY9rlVQlc8p0j7gBj3jdboSMyVhjw7m bpD7fz3FAv6Ha3r/mseyh1u5o8NjOWuE7mDNI= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:58:31 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: new Akai EWI MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: ea837c202a956e19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:58:33 +0000 (UTC) Anyone had a chance to try one of these out? http://www.akaipro.com/ewiusb cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 14:06:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECA5E3BE7E; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dI9diGrjPSz69fUSUudsBeV6GAiHu3+JrCHPdzgXFTM=; b=c0nwN+IwNPxfy7kDgIF+mssTpnZ8eXGWaylb3KoWSEp5nQfnHoWRife3mPOOtBh/fU K3ZZ+A9GZb4K/TVzgVcYn4mXLUsjfRcY5ZflgGelIeYyds6d0s8RYRuSO0asfSCa8M4I 5I9lfJfNS/SeN1B28YQQHn+XrybTIHLAnn1nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=b0laosHeb49firaLuWswdtiCvo49f8q/2Wb3Rsj+3FmmW0f3qpJrsID29pbge9Tu6L ByLhOS/LbTGlBqPjWDrQeuf5vWkWJ2j9Uahw2s3JusvkdW9cVKLfhVN/uJnLChkI/VOo 9EKIltZ7Lj7/2VDADMNZncm9PIHtUXabfleDU= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811140606h1db96feeu4c8e9b2778260bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:06:33 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new Akai EWI In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:06:34 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Os wrote: > Anyone had a chance to try one of these out? > > http://www.akaipro.com/ewiusb Noop. I'm on the EWI list too and have not heard about anyone tried one out IRL yet. But reading the specifications I can definitely say I will not change my 4000s for an USB. There's just too much stuff I like that is gone. Any one interested can compare them here: http://www.akaipro.com/ewiseries -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 16:28:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7BFCF3BE81; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 107740481/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.150.212/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.150.212 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AukAAHY1HUlPTpbU/2dsb2JhbAAI0QOCeINF X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,603,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="107740481" Message-ID: <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:31:11 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0aWE6C.A.0-F.QcaHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:28:00 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > a quick questionnaire for anybody interested. > Thanks to all for the interesting creative input, trying to put it all together here:- Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in addition an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. Warren suggests that the start of the speed change could be quantised, which is something that any EDP emulator would have to do (as in EDP, start of half speed is quantizable). He also suggests to scale the volume inversely to the pitch, ..interesting. Os suggests to add a dual piano keyboard type interface so that you can mouse to any pitch straight away, or do that and simultaneously go into reverse...oh...no...uh... ......rather..... ...Augustus Loop does that already ;-) Expert Sleeper also have a "Crossfade synth" which does interesting stuff playing back chunks of loop at different speeds. A popular idea (Per, Mark, Os )is to add a sequencer to control the speed, it takes about 5 mins to set that up in Bidule (when the pitch responds to Note-On), and is presumably fairly easy in other hosts, so I don't think that an onboard sequencer is needed. Doing that with the pitch renders sync somewhat irrelevant, (even when sequencer is synced to the loop) ..luckily there's another way to achieve a similar sound. Mathons Chopitch ( triggering pitch shifter) could be used to post treat a loop, and can be triggered from a step sequencer. This allows all sorts of pitch mayhem while preserving the timing of the loop. http://www.mathons.com/chopitch.htm As to digital artefacts, I spend a fair amount of time trying to eliminate them. However, it seems reasonable that a vari-speed looper shouldn't have it's speed range restricted to that which would avoid artefacts. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 16:33:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471CE3BE85; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Stefan Smulovitz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Instant Composition Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:33:00 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) I don't think anyone listening to my music would hear Bach, counterpoint or theme and variations, but I am aware of these ideas and use them in my own very loose ways. I'm not proposing imposing strict form on improvisation, but an awareness of form and how it can create new ideas. This then adds richness to the tools you use while improvising. Counterpoint does not need to be the formal system used by Bach - it can just means you are thinking of something that works counter to what is currently happening. Theme and variations can mean playing a phrase and then morphing the phrase in different ways. If you listen to Ursonate (http://www.ubu.com/sound/blonk.html) its a very very long ways from Bach - but uses the ideas of form in a fantastic way. Without the form it would just be a jumble of nonsense - there is no way that it could sustain your interest for the length of time that it does. I also love chaos and noise. These can be used within the context of a greater sense of form as well though and made more powerful for it. Stefan http://www.myspace.com/stefansmulovitz http://www.kenaxis.com/ > Raul Bonell wrote: > > i usually approach things on the contrary way. > it works better for me.no counterpoint. no theme, neither variations. > even no bach at all. i had enough while studying piano. > > raul. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 16:57:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5475A3BE82; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=8JCxtcZgJs7nGKGj9Jprk8VAl4KOI6ZLEurCYsyBgY8=; b=MqYfLLJ8A/0MNoSYt8xyu0rwN37QWUHVZcDjIuVTM3nFhyEkC7dB8HOm4FlO2raRfw zAZDPGJGfpykvT68uGyk0Gq6zxQLjwDQRlahKk77a3rAGLQ5oiC/CTtAbFRbcK4dZQlR vUHdf5InSbbJXOCvuctoADEAywTQv9NYvQHvU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=syZuF8d321Uj86n63HhXIPMfawqsvKqMWKpN2tJva3rgrSZdg8xrvve44qeKe+X92G M7ZZLETQIsKkIcuEiqrEUioiAD5u7awhi+KDUYiwicz67cuyh14FOBEnIsfglzt0CcUM x7DUu+dmI0fULvL5WkbbMJoZPKhnVdqPeNHLc= Message-ID: <101191640811140857t65a597d0xbfd48ab05cf1e28f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:57:29 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou In-Reply-To: <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34899_22006709.1226681849191" References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1ea628397bfb455c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:57:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34899_22006709.1226681849191 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice summary, andy. i'd also like to point out that in my experience, actual artifacts are minimal if you're just change the playback speed on a loop to pitch-shift it (except during the actual process of changing when the buffers are overlapping) - it's like changing the speed on a turntable. (as opposed to pitch-shifting and time-stretching to preserve loop length). The pitch changes, the formants move along with them, and you get chipmunky or low rumbling sounds (that often expose interesting graininess), but i think those are psychoacoustic effects rather than distortion. correct me if i'm wrong. warren ------=_Part_34899_22006709.1226681849191 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice summary, andy. i'd also like to point out that in my experience, actual artifacts are minimal if you're just change the playback speed on a loop to pitch-shift it (except during the actual process of changing when the buffers are overlapping) - it's like changing the speed on a turntable. (as opposed to pitch-shifting and time-stretching to preserve loop length). The pitch changes, the formants move along with them, and you get chipmunky or low rumbling sounds (that often expose interesting graininess), but i think those are psychoacoustic effects rather than distortion. correct me if i'm wrong.

warren
------=_Part_34899_22006709.1226681849191-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 17:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B2EF3BE82; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5JhWanwlEfZr3UPfsmMngdRzgmU4JBY6S2l1W6U5bVU=; b=BO5zmZwMHpINP3CC3zlvoHS5G2jiruGSt999oGFvmQOyGvqkQ8unMX6DfQQt/uZrLz Ejds2ECECdcjehSYJmN1Su7SDxORTT58nzE01q6yq2lij4dAHVL9CeOafgKEhXBESzJN 6HJxtTqpPMcqR4z5j3ER9HGemwxN9ATU5Z/jU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gCK8OJiQFqMjchiedoV0MJ0Wv9Azt8ebQJJ+jYAxfXFSLWX2dzCjabDviyYMEa6C2r 1lYQ0e+f6H4vXhaGr/9+xquErivlsJfDNjg5VZ39onT9EC0WFNOWnKdntJGyz5r0YPYx cFvuxmgJfao2+xHQcmXiL+HVYfJ6PUw/jNeIw= Message-ID: <3c3c57a30811140919p41c4279aw2bb1dc5b8565466f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:19:30 -0800 From: "Jack Schultz" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 In-Reply-To: <404435.66625.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1440_23879530.1226683170593" References: <404435.66625.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:19:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1440_23879530.1226683170593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Long time lurker, first time poster. I want to thank everybody as well for making this amazing event happen, especially you Rick for introducing me to looping and being so amazingly supportive and inspirational. It was my first time performing and my second year listening and it was very inspiring. Looping is so cool because you can see looper after looper and everybody is different and interesting. Jack Schultz On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > I dont know if u got my previous mail but i will repost it: > my deepest regards to all of you who made this possible as well,i would > specially like to thank Bob for his financial support,Chris and Nancy for > being so kind and beautiful and putting up with all of us(specially the ones > that snored all night)Bill for letting me use his bike and lending me his > guitar picks,Glen for being such a patience tour guide(i hope he is reading > this)Daryl for giving me a lift to the airport and providing baggels in the > morning,James for being so kind and driving us around as well but most of > all thanx to you Rick, for all your hard work to make this special event > happen and an unforgetable experience.I remember years ago how some people > were putting this event down and critisising it for different reasons but > you have remained strong believing in it, and now look at it growing > internationally! > Cheers and big hugs to all of you > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Rick Walker wrote: > > > From: Rick Walker > > Subject: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" , > "E MAIL SAVES" > > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 6:17 PM > > I must not forget to thank, profusely, ALL THE ARTISTS who > > so graciously gave their time with the generosity and > > brilliance of their > > artistry in their performances at the Y2K8 International > > Live Looping Festival. > > > > I don't know whether people know this or not but I was > > only able to get travel subsidy for one > > artist this year (Looperlative brought Luis Angulo one of > > our headliners) as opposed to > > three last year. > > > > This means that all 46 artists who ended up performing all > > came on their own dime. > > They came from 7 countries and all over the United States. > > > > Some of the top loopers in our scene were in the audience > > at 12 noon each day > > to cheer on the brand newbies who were playing. > > > > It was an incredible festival and I feel blessed to be > > associate with all of you and this > > wonderfully creative, supportive and frequently, 'out > > of the box' community. > > > > > > additionally, I also wanted to thank > > > > Krispen Hartung, Bill Putnam and myself for donating > > the equipment that we gave away to budding looping artists > > as part of our first year of the Y2K8 Loopers Endowment. > > > > We gave away a fully loop software tricked out PC laptop > > computer (to newbie and featured artist, Kevin Spears), > > a Digitech JAMMAN (to newbie Lindsey Wagner), a LINE 6 > > DL-4 (to newbie Jack Schultz) > > and a Univeral Audio UAD-1 (to newbie, John Connell). > > > > Thanks everyone. See you at Y2K9!!!! > > > > much love and gratitude, Rick Walker > > > > > > ------=_Part_1440_23879530.1226683170593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Long time lurker, first time poster.
 
I want to thank everybody as well for making this amazing event h= appen, especially you Rick for introducing me to looping and being so = amazingly supportive and inspirational.  It was my first time performi= ng and my second year listening and it was very inspiring. Looping is = so cool because you can see looper after looper and everybod= y is different and interesting. 
 
Jack Schultz

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:55 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com= > wrote:
I dont know if u got my previous= mail but i will repost it:
 my deepest regards to all of you who m= ade this possible as well,i would specially like to thank Bob for his finan= cial support,Chris and Nancy for being so kind and beautiful and putting up= with all of us(specially the ones that snored all night)Bill for letting m= e use his bike and lending me his guitar picks,Glen for being such a patien= ce tour guide(i hope he is reading this)Daryl for giving me a lift to the a= irport and providing baggels in the morning,James for being so kind and dri= ving us around as well but most of all thanx to you Rick, for all your hard= work to make this special event happen and an unforgetable experience.I re= member years ago how some people were putting this event down and critisisi= ng it for different reasons but you have remained strong believing in it, a= nd now look at it growing internationally!
Cheers and big hugs to all of you

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom

<= br>--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:

> From: Rick Walker <loopp= ool@cruzio.com>
> Subject: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8> To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>= , "E MAIL SAVES" <loopp= ool@cruzio.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 6:17 PM
> I must not forget to thank, profusely, ALL THE A= RTISTS who
> so graciously gave their time with the generosity and> brilliance of their
> artistry in their performances at the Y2K= 8 International
> Live Looping Festival.
>
> I don't know whether people= know this or not but I was
> only able to get travel subsidy for one=
> artist this year  (Looperlative brought Luis Angulo one of > our headliners) as opposed to
> three last year.
>
>= This means that all 46 artists who ended up performing all
> came on= their own dime.
> They came from 7 countries and all over the United= States.
>
> Some of the top loopers in our scene were in the audience
&= gt; at 12 noon each day
> to cheer on the brand newbies who were play= ing.
>
> It was an incredible festival and I feel blessed to be=
> associate with all of you and this
> wonderfully creative, suppo= rtive and frequently,  'out
> of the box'   communi= ty.
>
>
> additionally,  I also wanted to thank
&= gt;
> Krispen Hartung,  Bill Putnam and myself for donating
> the equipment that we gave away to budding looping artists
> as = part of our first year of the Y2K8  Loopers Endowment.
>
>= We gave away   a fully loop software tricked out PC laptop
> co= mputer  (to newbie and featured artist,  Kevin Spears),
> a Digitech JAMMAN (to newbie Lindsey Wagner),   a LINE 6
> = DL-4 (to newbie Jack Schultz)
> and a Univeral Audio UAD-1 (to newbie= ,  John Connell).
>
> Thanks everyone.     See y= ou at Y2K9!!!!
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> much love and gratitude,  Rick Walker




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------=_Part_1440_23879530.1226683170593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 18:45:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DED513BE84; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=591hGO2plihdGl5vonEcAdHuTvigEJStK+SGFVgcIU9CPSdh6WySSNiv5kS0L2E9C/XyIkRxu0vENgvdVq7rEtoLmh/jFSp6i7+IVSeZLtCempaVj1g6E62VXMV7sq/o9kN5gut6yAV6arOS9Vpq/vM6b19x76fdQHHUI2AcwYg=; X-YMail-OSG: ZVrXWVcVM1nHcf49DEe1vgqMIbHj3FD0QxczPPCRTiqHYgDhgTW4WD2VN9m_800AtAtQPY3iBzXyvpQRE.G8C9Rxfa9bJHOaxqGWUGiRfH0zVXLs8GTXdBFD7bKsnpkKL8A89lGS_clNWiAJaUsN9.hTRBXE61herVOV8Y14V60Od0X4G_Ws0QYP06JZn5PBLUm51Hnwg1IqzGU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 10:45:45 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811131219v330f097ajd1e9e95889e96f97@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <810866.67887.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2FR7kC.A.lOB.adcHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:45:46 +0000 (UTC) i vote for rate shift, is cooler dudes! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Thu, 11/13/08, mark francombe wrote: > From: mark francombe > Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 12:19 PM > Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > > Well, at least I have been using "rate > sequence". It's especially cool > > for playing chord change vamps all within the same > loop (Mark > > Francombe suggested this, but never mentioned it's > a Mobius feature). > > > Actually I forgot, it always crashed when I was checking > out Mobius Mac, so > I never tried it! > I have gotten a new PC since but have yet to try Mobius on > it... my love > affair with Mobius turned out to be a teenage crush... I > shall return, no > doubt, but I need time. > > So I actually thought that up myself, without thinking, or > maybe Mobius > functionality is buried deep in my personality, having > reprogrammed my > psyche and all Jeff has to do is type !Autoload KILL and > the world (at least > the looping world) is his? > > > > However, I rather prefer binding foot pedals directly > to the different > > rate shift values, so I can vary the order in which I > jump between > > different chords. > > > > But this makes me think, isnt all this "Rate shift is > cooler than Time > Stretch" talk a bit nonsensical.. Im interested to > hear you use this Per... > Im certain you can use octave and maybe 5ths, but isnt ANY > other rate gonna > RYTHYMICALLY crash with the beat/pulse of your music. Now > Im all for weird > shit, but RATE shift a bit of a one trick pony (Like the > afformentioned, by > me actually) Tape slow down effect, we have all used at the > ind of a gig). I > promise I am only talking here, not having ever TRIED rate > shift on Mobius, > I have no idea what Im talking about... But isnt Repeater > style TIME STRETCH > more musically usefull? > > Mark > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:10:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A096B3BE82; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=cRHkHOraBwlK7cPz8Yl38QZZhorH7WkwPIzbR7JAkml3+liEoXDCul88duFfSclf+1jzrsPFWQ478ZnQ2jSGGDpTBRWRuVm/4dRkxro5gS9VIYXv0XK1xtevZ6lIcV3chPUbbjh5tvgr0+yBNHcodL+JZ/zmn2JihcQLrxF8iAg=; X-YMail-OSG: Y7g6UdAVM1nZSkrA0f94TlS1VEwXJO1Wj.UjwuzFxtT9Cw851LKZGu3zXWk5IGbG.FlerIWLiqbEqw_LHaurnsj34yyEklfCQetMzhKThca4795uDQ0OrWkNFsHNwtz8M_ZhNEspXkhPUElLLEgaUEbgjCawCBY2HXdgDYnzjer1GlBa4AzCEtW7bQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081113165913.M93895@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <184975.82636.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:10:39 +0000 (UTC) How many choices will there be Andy?having all would be offcourse a dream but to play over the I II III ,IV, V, VI, VII would be more than enogh to make a song happen! Luis > > > > If there were just a few selectable pitches, which > would you use most? > > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth > > > > Any other dreams? > > > > andy butler > > > -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:24:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A043BE79; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ppgjBWb/p94lDPHmQpAcv7T7LnoNjeLfZfejqGF2lSC8SUImPFcubyJKt2I2b8TXIVxvPV/WjXedV3xqEDguDe11iTJSXI1w9kasEK9VXpUc1Ad43cMNRBamBtejQrHOGdypHH1Lp7IbEEyAu5ew7oiEA168v+PIaPFr8753ZRA=; X-YMail-OSG: Ed9SfLEVM1nmAaeVVid7qEt2Kabn_AlReB40d.h.587rX6CgHWlNbrTwyWDPWmPAVy6gUwU_iFsy3usQ7eQB3E2suIWfSHU0pebgomakG59QK3EIxGypEbqZWwLV6.Io_EYtGyxwki7rrff1XJCZsCt7h10- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:24:47 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <651992.93271.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:24:48 +0000 (UTC) I have the black one and i am really happy with it,except i think i made a mistake not buying insurance for it,so ill just keep crossing my fingers... Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 11/12/08, jayrope LD wrote: > From: jayrope LD > Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 12:39 PM > Yes Per, that was my intention. Also i think, that > Apple's firewire port removal on the new standrad > MAcbook is nothing less than a scandal. One, that stinks, > actually. It seems, that Apple is trying to pull out of > their own data transfer standard, while purposedly forcing > professional customers into having to buy bigger models now. > Well, i am not paranoid, but simply aware of the fact, taht > almost everyone i know using macs for professinal (music) > tasks has decided on buying an ordinay macbook in the last > years: Because they are already way over-equipped for teh > average music need. > in any case: The new "Blackbook" works nicely > now, but give me a few days to explore the eventualities. > I'll report back for sure, if it starts to suck (i am > aware of potential problems with non-ppc macs, be it max/msp > for instance..) > > greets from berlin! > > > > - - - > jayrope > http://www.kliklak.net > > On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:21 PM, > Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > > > I too like to buy "last > > years model" so I can assure that it will be > working well as I intend > > to use it From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:30:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE2E3BE7F; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:30:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CfwXER0dsIczpEIl/aPQnvido1nrQn4093/iiZQhRtk=; b=ecf+G0yWXAoABDhpYPy52FpuHLUuFVcQdR3je8ZR0QTMyOinrhhUAiSE5t50TYhFis VdF/c4+mPRQpJ+rUBRpiLFpzFQDPSJWc6Z31C4U++lx7Hihz33Ihz9vglik7IUFhH8yn avR7QkDpnqE+8IVgIUl11ewWSwHsQ1GVJBAyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cLiIIrwI0ugUOx5XSoKYNApBrh6KQS4+Wb1OzIpppoBOK1wwKRQWZTVDrNbTqinOF3 GgkY3lmM4ebnssHVrpFO+D4X26htZ9uFKpNPY5ig09fQc1HFfZ1/Jb3FwgqzWA21QgcU ykdEBLh3wsKoSR8P4pvRGSWVcAwqBz0BjDNa4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:30:16 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: <651992.93271.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <651992.93271.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:30:17 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:24 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > I have the black one and i am really happy with it,except i think i made a mistake not buying insurance for it,so ill just keep crossing my fingers... > Luis You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare protection plan until one year after the purchase. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:38:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B07883BE7F; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jUVRhOwwdbUjGOnhNzq7PHAnITl+60AoYZaHnf/9q6UDYpkWL6QXOrvo2Zp+9xbyMM+zlNnyb7EN4Eab7aCVVRBlr3pU9cA1S1t8xLUlbOAGCqOU1bU3odjFJRuUxpU3bcciynGfJETxFxU4IKFofVxgyAAsqU+WZzqjUl8tSV4=; X-YMail-OSG: NbPgkSUVM1lOVByxrXjCvJ3hmNYw5NKmHrokHuFQlldvcrV7MO5DCFhkWGxdmSuV0lDypPykNp3fwo3fW7vge3icYPNs_mY2nTLr3NLPRj1AtIeYCN.KGJ_xZcZ1HCWX3CjtEDqizUrWh39C3LASiKfdGRGkzdTNECEmG01m8bTtqJGwRDE3_bDPl.gDArPx1IOUZ3M_9LKXPf4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:38:27 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <744137.51711.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:38:28 +0000 (UTC) I was always more attracted to self taught musicians than the Berklee ones As long as you play your own style you can repeat yourself, i dont care and it wont bother me! > > > > > Anyway, improvisation is the key for me, though > its hard to learn not to > > > repeat yourself... > > > > > > Stefan > > > > > > It's hard to learn to unlearn. You have to try > really hard to be > > ignorant enough. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.myspace.com/perboysen > > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:47:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 395923BE88; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=jemhSb3vK2UMkiVFPZILsZrNsTCZ+Gkty79uSxIeKAu2VMzhvni+n5zx20EzHvcwGZh/nW8HJh0f0/aOr4/V1dt7oqkXOY/xf9mHZHCYTRh3rry55aAtw6VPbrmPBMBvFuqXGICV/KOu48XlfeSnuugxq+ITxWL9yvVbfTSKd90=; X-YMail-OSG: YZswJAIVM1mcCuTY5mXudNOoK1hljvHUQbQ3NjxswiaP81obAlk36U3jltOpDNjuuuq33F3nQ1L2OQsGj62Cq9yX.WuRYkZcQMPzX4c667j38fHoviAEse29FWeLaYFpFTVln.aBxCb.rFKpixh53ofSOYK0ezFzzHdKgRxjPblIvhUSJVmc0hR1hjMreYmEnMwCwsoz7IBAxbk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:47:51 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC) gr8 tip thanx Per! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:30 AM > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:24 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > I have the black one and i am really happy with > it,except i think i made a mistake not buying insurance for > it,so ill just keep crossing my fingers... > > Luis > > > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare > protection plan > until one year after the purchase. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 19:58:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 345E53BE89; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:58:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GXPWzlu3wxGDOmHcDGUw5tNtaZfppZqq3iuU2+r6w7s=; b=GLmP8ppPYbqLxAvbtU/BRNBGeukyIpaRnKmmZRN/qOMBabr2yooflGvTJukP5v3ogj W4O4pi/UD+/7wKJTeUCnR2aEWoOr56nvwLsa1+meKCLWn/USbdxAcpUNuHm+DeXDF4jK BhcQO3NO5gXrBNBMokVvDhyp8eaMcjgezzOz4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=B6aDE1LUoQVEoqPErR2ic4lTqcZebleEBAWKmlu86P/5I1MXPsvSPadJ0mNN1dwWiX ZsMKHPqkHMhEa9WelgWSY1CS+37FwhlunGMXh4RujN7OjJPK8sKBiQHK5kzPa/FqNSQ8 PmuvMOucRgfssZ3uSzok7SKMOP9kqWnVB+UyM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:58:18 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:58:20 +0000 (UTC) For a Powerbook I bought long ago it took me almost exactly one year to afford the insurance. So I took the insurance in the eleventh hour and then happily used it for almost two more years. One week before the third year was to end I took it to a repairing service house because I had not been able to use the network port for months. Now, the network port was part of the motherboard and they put in a brand new motherboard in it for me, at no additional cost! That is a nice story :-)) A less nice story is a G5 I bought and since it was built as a tank and no one had ever heard about any problems with the model (except for the graphic card in the early build, but I got a new graphic card within the first year when the insurance is always valid) I didn't think I would have to let go of money for a protection plan. Then the mother board died and I had to pay for it myself because it was my working computer and I run my own freelance business. :-( Dammit - I should have bought the AppleCare for that one as well! p On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:47 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > gr8 tip thanx Per! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: > >> >> >> You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare >> protection plan >> until one year after the purchase. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:09:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA4F83BE82; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iT6NdA5nXefvBbnaNIdA9wndAuhGjK3EEwiMehD4EJM=; b=lFBtFI/JJRbj98g+2LwYgFPg8SrHv5cL5tvc7r4ntpYZC0tdQhh8CMkOS3Ltlr/kEL nNxawD4vZ4oBLt8i3O3MJC5NjmWTWIm+nLHNVoltFAwsKFOM8gc6YRrAgwyG4V6cBYFL lDtKKRarJJJPO0CLifKHmb/Er5kxZtXsXJYeU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NcwSBmvoHM+t4VEPyBF/5cAwxhrNC6GWiSP/HNFSDsEqYZtJw2S45QVghW41mQbpbG OheFrNuhD+X94KyRKha7l8PpoqWw8H9AVh6T/A83qS8vsff0SbYrh2GBapE4UC2ILjHC TBaNbKdvcEf4anKwS7CI5ZNE41H5KxNbTjivw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:09:36 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Work has had me too busy to follow this entire thread. I've started to have issues with the term 'experimental' in the past year or so: 1) It's hard to get two people to agree on what it means. For some it means incredibly complex composition with microtonal systems and odd meters. For others, no composition at all. Some people think experimental means "very loud". And some people just think it's a good generic tag to add when you don't want to say you play rock or techno. 2) Since the music is so diverse, it's much harder to pin down what's actually "good". I think there's a notion in many subsets of the exp music community that being "experimental" exempts one from criticism - if someone doesn't enjoy the music, the only possible reason is that they don't understand it. I think this provides an excuse for the musicians to not get any better at what they do. 2) For some reason people go running for the hills when you say you're going to play some "experimental music". I'm not sure if this is because of #2 above, or if people have visions of some sort of clinical research presented as performance. I'm not fond of the terms "New Music" or "Creative Music" either, since both have a degree of snootiness. So instead, I've been working under a philosophy of "Personal Music". That would never be a genre name. Instead, your name is the genre name, and you as a musician are responsible for making it actually mean something. The pressure's on you to figure out what what's musically unique about yourself, and work out ways to make that identifiable in your music. You can work free of genre-related expectations (such as that all rock bands should have drums or that experimental music should be challenging). That also means there aren't standards to fall back on. If you want to add a drum beat, you have to acknowledge that as a conscious decision, and not because it's what's expected. The good news is, it doesn't stick you in a rut either - if you want to change directions 10 years down the line, your genre moves with you. A great example is the new Portishead album. In some ways, it's completely different yet completely the same from their last album 10 years ago. It's not what people were expecting, but when they hear it, it totally makes sense. But if people ask what I do, I still say "experimental". It's easier to say than the previous paragraph. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:41:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 631C33BE88; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=5T383J00k3cFOnEt3CoA:9 a=SnlyPYRoN90ArN-wPqfOApQxvmkA:4 a=WuK_CZDBSqoA:10 a=lSC7_09suw_lljO1OgMA:9 a=7HEG6bKHs2oKYm26ajAA:7 a=9oHvUnGRLSgb2oKD831ve0xXFH0A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--720025418 Message-Id: <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:41:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <9_wa6.A.EOE.xJeHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--720025418 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > 1) It's hard to get two people to agree on what it means. Thats because it doesn't really mean anything. I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. He thinks he's a fucking genius. --Apple-Mail-3--720025418 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:09 PM, = Matt Davignon wrote:

1) It's hard to get two = people to agree on what it means.=A0

=

Thats because it doesn't really mean = anything. I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. = He thinks he's a fucking genius.=A0

= --Apple-Mail-3--720025418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:52:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26CCD3BE88; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nTp6TK9N4OOq1x4AajnQrfl3Ti3JNjA4E9iEa+G1iXw=; b=ZUo4p5oEC4xKsRQAtf3gWeR1Wdy4LNqiTBOZvQ6RJeDfQa25cjA/8CWbUg2p7b/unn 1q5FhBm9jyGtkyATDwec+NQdkYCtNrsnvVW55iHDHQh/ZRfedFzfWvhb6fw71vxdNSPW 67FGM53MRii1EU3f5F6kvIXC1zh0cLruo2CYI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=b9VmNarMnVt0UX0LLNpGvMX6E3P1jmRPVJg0RHIjuKn88Mtg2jHrFXPBqAKyJD4uZw FiYRpRyumYPb86/O4/Vj/xyfZDJS6LPKpwtMl+C7mZoJuqjJc5RyE2dw32jYQct5+dBZ JrMGmVEGmzAPdw6/XMcP4oj42/IlhTv4eWvJ8= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:52:38 -0800 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21334_23282777.1226695959363" References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:52:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21334_23282777.1226695959363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think it means stepping outside of a (percieved) boundary and trying something new. As a marketing label it points to music that doesn't follow current or traditional marketing terms. Used on a personal level it is even more subjective. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > > 1) It's hard to get two people to agree on what it means. > > > Thats because it doesn't really mean anything. I know a blues guy that is > "experimenting" with bIII chords. He thinks he's a fucking genius. > > ------=_Part_21334_23282777.1226695959363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think it means stepping outside of a (percieved) boundary and trying something new. As a marketing label it points to music that doesn't follow current or traditional marketing terms. Used on a personal level it is even more subjective.

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:

On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

1) It's hard to get two people to agree on what it means. 


Thats because it doesn't really mean anything. I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. He thinks he's a fucking genius. 


------=_Part_21334_23282777.1226695959363-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 20:55:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F00673BE85; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:55:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=D3be0Cg1+M8GeSo/Yc4qIm7pAOL77kDUdsSlheO+2DU=; b=XPe8wC4qV1IN+hUV81LUPLrqu1V6z2PS/3vNT/HiqY0KBd56/XMzqGLK0tsryLIUuJ oPYtGvW/YXfduHhayUoCWBXrmNr/7qjWMWIehkPyRwmqkmVSXvrx2y9wgXTJ+9Bpq6fd b+5ZVYejaZkApTrs03jsAOvXegIwgcSXmyiLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ce5KBR0bYTralchxGEkndHpoaN1TnhmLUKiXnBEjqwNNuxrXns/Wr632FVSK2mMWUD 23yklMsoeFfmHyi3jXdwnebTqlAENAz8efYUpytvrMhgB1s1dsUwZlrn+d2bKz6LQR91 DkACSc7hIgjgNSSkxAtQ7iNQzjkwrEuoMfOPo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:55:42 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19049_27232158.1226696142358" References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <_3rrKB.A.iqE.PXeHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:55:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19049_27232158.1226696142358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A few years back, when Derek Bailey was still alive, there was a letter to The Wire magazine complaining about their very positive, and frequent coverage of this "avant garde" and "experimental" musician. The letter-writer said that there had been nothing exciting, new or experimental in Derek Bailey's music for years or even decades, and that what had been "experimental" in the 60's was old hat these days and should be recognized as such. It was a very funny letter. TH On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Michael Billow wrote: > I think it means stepping outside of a (percieved) boundary and trying > something new. As a marketing label it points to music that doesn't follow > current or traditional marketing terms. Used on a personal level it is even > more subjective. > > > ------=_Part_19049_27232158.1226696142358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A few years back, when Derek Bailey was still alive, there was a letter to The Wire magazine complaining about their very positive,  and frequent coverage of this "avant garde" and "experimental" musician.  The letter-writer said that there had been nothing exciting, new or experimental in Derek Bailey's music for years or even decades, and that what had been "experimental" in the 60's was old hat these days and should be recognized as such.  It was a very funny letter.

TH

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Michael Billow <mbillow@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it means stepping outside of a (percieved) boundary and trying something new. As a marketing label it points to music that doesn't follow current or traditional marketing terms. Used on a personal level it is even more subjective.



------=_Part_19049_27232158.1226696142358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 21:23:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979933BE86; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=/KfIwODiI7wkAhAR4qJeGdG+WhFga6R6b5AwzRctv4I=; b=nKhinx5KiWNz43PuqJ+QeNVx88iSCb471xKB4kLJWzfk9DnJcUY5nbq+wo0COjZqoq njdqaOCZBSYdKEMZKa1Zs5E3t/XC6ETfScWZqCjTYZDSuCd+dKaUUL4y0LBv/ofwrCTj oUIblts+2/Fi4FzY+XVZ32lP4UiED7AK0jKmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=PwDzyffwnIPAueO2tz2NBH+6Q+N/CE3+PKpC1V7GOVbU/igqoMH95oFPFvxJFRVvu5 bM4veLrqFkMnZebUCFttZDutMplvB+5RqeEi4VEpbMEhj/pglGSwH2HiKeiVEy26CiPM 4VjNtBbbhah0obgFGmaYPez4uxos3rnJZJuq8= Message-ID: <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:23:12 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39624_26855551.1226697792678" References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: e5a85a7235c994a1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:23:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39624_26855551.1226697792678 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline which reinforces a point i made early in this discussion: almost all laptops have an inherently flawed design in that the connectors are soldered to the motherboard, so that if any of these break, it's a new mb for you. now, consider that since it's a laptop, you're likely to be plugging and unplugging these things constantly. hence, insurance is mandatory. i just had a mb replaced (for free) because the headphone jack stopped working. my last laptop, i did not have insurance and just had to live with a dead headphone jack until it was time to junk the computer. but if it had been my fw port instead, well, game over. (fortunately, at least the macbooks have that magnetic power connector that is unlikely to be subject to the same failure rate, i'd imagine). yet when i spoke to applecare about my current laptop, they said "logic board replacements are fairly rare". i find this a bit hard to believe. but it must be true, since they are probably saving about 10 cents/unit with the soldering to mb concept, (just a guess) so, if it costs them $350 to replace a mb (another guess, including labor), only one in 3500 laptops are probably failing for this reason. On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > For a Powerbook I bought long ago it took me almost exactly one year > to afford the insurance. So I took the insurance in the eleventh hour > and then happily used it for almost two more years. One week before > the third year was to end I took it to a repairing service house > because I had not been able to use the network port for months. Now, > the network port was part of the motherboard and they put in a brand > new motherboard in it for me, at no additional cost! That is a nice > story :-)) > > A less nice story is a G5 I bought and since it was built as a tank > and no one had ever heard about any problems with the model (except > for the graphic card in the early build, but I got a new graphic card > within the first year when the insurance is always valid) I didn't > think I would have to let go of money for a protection plan. Then the > mother board died and I had to pay for it myself because it was my > working computer and I run my own freelance business. :-( Dammit - I > should have bought the AppleCare for that one as well! > > p > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:47 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > > gr8 tip thanx Per! > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare > >> protection plan > >> until one year after the purchase. > >> > >> -- > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.myspace.com/perboysen > >> www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > ------=_Part_39624_26855551.1226697792678 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline which reinforces a point i made early in this discussion: almost all laptops have an inherently flawed design in that the connectors are soldered to the motherboard, so that if any of these break, it's a new mb for you. now, consider that since it's a laptop, you're likely to be plugging and unplugging these things constantly. hence, insurance is mandatory. i just had a mb replaced (for free) because the headphone jack stopped working. my last laptop, i did not have insurance and just had to live with a dead headphone jack until it was time to junk the computer. but if it had been my fw port instead, well, game over.

(fortunately, at least the macbooks have that magnetic power connector that is unlikely to be subject to the same failure rate, i'd imagine).

yet when i spoke to applecare about my current laptop, they said "logic board replacements are fairly rare". i find this a bit hard to believe. but it must be true, since they are probably saving about 10 cents/unit with the soldering to mb concept, (just a guess)  so, if it costs them $350 to replace a mb (another guess, including labor), only one in 3500 laptops are probably failing for this reason.



On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
For a Powerbook I bought long ago it took me almost exactly one year
to afford the insurance. So I took the insurance in the eleventh hour
and then happily used it for almost two more years. One week before
the third year was to end I took it to a repairing service house
because I had not been able to use the network port for months. Now,
the network port was part of the motherboard and they  put in a brand
new motherboard in it for me, at no additional cost! That is a nice
story :-))

A less nice story is a G5 I bought and since it was built as a tank
and no one had ever heard about any problems with the model (except
for the graphic card in the early build, but I got a new graphic card
within the first year when the insurance is always valid) I didn't
think I would have to let go of money for a protection plan. Then the
mother board died and I had to pay for it myself because it was my
working computer and I run my own freelance business. :-( Dammit - I
should have bought the AppleCare for that one as well!

p


On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:47 PM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> gr8  tip thanx Per!
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare
>> protection plan
>> until one year after the purchase.
>>
>> --
>> Greetings from Sweden
>>
>> Per Boysen
>> www.boysen.se (Swedish)
>> www.looproom.com (international)
>> www.myspace.com/perboysen
>> www.stockholm-athens.com
>
>
>
>
>



--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com


------=_Part_39624_26855551.1226697792678-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 22:21:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26E153BE89; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 14:20:32 -0800 Message-Id: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:21:19 +0000 (UTC) In the Vari speed thread (fascinating by the way) a lot is talked about doing things that generate random rhythms to play against. This seems to be a very popular technique used by a lot of looping artists I've seen playing live. Firstly, let me say that I like a lot of randomness, constraint of randomness and experimental and 'outside' types of music, but I also had this thought: I am a rhythmatist (a pro drummer/percussionist for over 30 years) and I've come to believe that every rhythm has a distinct personality and effect on the nervous system. It is why you can play a simple 8th note quantized R&B rhythm and introduce one 16th note off beat on snare or kick and the rhythm is no longer an R&B rhythm, it is a Funk rhythm. In much the same way, the scalar constraints made in melodic music have much to do with the definition of a piece of music. A Lydian, Flat 7 scale with the same scale pitch notes played in a melody sounds completely different from a Dorian scale as an example. And yet, people very infrequently introduce chromatic randomness into music (I know, I know.......some do) but they always thing it's cool and hip to do the same thing to Rhythmic randomness and when they do, it's considered to be very avant garde or outside and thus, hard for mass culture to take, aesthetically. I think it probably offends my groove sensibility as much to hear this rhythmic randomness done constantly as it might a Classical composers' offense at hearing a composition with random Chromatic melodicism introduced. Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than melodic or harmonic randomness? They both have very strong effects on the listener. Any thoughts? I'm perplexed, frankly. -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 22:41:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4FD63BE84; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491DFF26.8090605@dehnhard.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:43:50 +0100 From: Tilmann Dehnhard User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/SVKnoalAWi9pSs91fbpjRa/+DWnK06/V4sVP g0ECtMPp6L9k3hgy4Q0kh8KTvvMeaoYvsMLOSNokRk1SVStGu+ XJGmRNE+kZNloH95lXSbMD6n/cXT9D7 Resent-Message-ID: <34FzkB.A.FUH.26fHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:41:58 +0000 (UTC) very interesting thoughts from rick, here. is rhythmic randomness real random, like in an aleatoric sense? or does it mean random occurence of beats on a grid (like 16ths or whatever)? to explore your analogy further: rhythmic randomness on a grid would be comparable to melodic randomness inside a scale/tonality. both is pretty easy to the ears. tilmann > Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than melodic or harmonic > randomness? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 23:46:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6506E3BE88; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=kKqEcGpSilDOxf5RXgJSoP4oCYFk3KczTZPHzHryDNA=; b=QlpWKbnMi1mkPJZLCLFd/99eGYrrRffxdGOBju9Jh8sdFdTc22xTkqEETWcBDdu+ch 3V83N0xKHZlHUBqOtyjSH03tKp9MtSBttNnZCLQcEiLi4G0g6b/wUJzh8D5oa1mFKqwv xAx88k9xuBZmBAS91/8lbx315/eZQgGT1wbRQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lsYMkAYGNW8JJ1xp4g2+z3CPWa9XyIQAATPZ5J/ubQabBjJFNN4KoEVV2lhrrmh6Gq IIhnPfvwkZiFmbNSBwlCP5tBNiFzXjgbVdvTk+BXcT7d2HBaoabPZ2g1untG5p/ScZ0R 7pJrxgZDNm8Fpl0Vkh7mXxCJhvwAMMyNM3/d0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811141546u2b79fcf8kbe8452c27740ae9a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:46:32 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:46:33 +0000 (UTC) I'm afraid I don't understand that question. Who says he likes rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness can never swing. NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! ;-)) Per On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > In the Vari speed thread (fascinating by the way) > a lot is talked about doing things that generate random rhythms to > play against. > > This seems to be a very popular technique used by a lot of looping artists > I've seen playing live. > > Firstly, let me say that I like a lot of randomness, constraint of > randomness and experimental and 'outside' types of music, > but I also had this thought: > > I am a rhythmatist (a pro drummer/percussionist for over 30 years) and I've > come to believe that every rhythm has a distinct personality and effect on > the nervous system. It is why you can play a simple 8th note quantized > R&B rhythm and introduce one 16th note off beat on snare or kick and the > rhythm is no longer an R&B rhythm, it is a Funk rhythm. > > In much the same way, the scalar constraints made in melodic music have > much to do with the definition of a piece of music. A Lydian, Flat 7 scale > with the same scale pitch notes played in a melody sounds completely > different from a Dorian scale as an example. > > And yet, people very infrequently introduce chromatic randomness into music > (I know, I know.......some do) but they always thing it's cool and hip to > do the same thing to Rhythmic randomness and when they do, it's considered > to be very avant garde or outside and thus, hard for mass culture to take, > aesthetically. > > I think it probably offends my groove sensibility as much to hear this > rhythmic randomness done constantly as it might a Classical composers' > offense at hearing a composition with random Chromatic melodicism introduced. > > Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than melodic or harmonic > randomness? > > They both have very strong effects on the listener. > > Any thoughts? I'm perplexed, frankly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 14 23:48:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B03883BE86; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bJOoFWb/3lXZS+0QGibQSWW5hvQDQyjE+isCusn5rSA=; b=Rr0JEz049MiDEkLW1vVMMrw6w+ByB+GlKFPIRrWFJc3aUXKbRfC9P0jrWeh+OOEE2j tiCayTFcX4vH/YC6MYAJ9GTn2nLYtWWoK7hk1Pt7nT6K1cWPUjcYBS2+mzmSt5qjNdvp M2vEtMhk7S5KmhabqusUEDZvAygMcpOOPTTuc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HB7cojlIgiJ40ymcACqnVeShdySR22QxECX4/E2q4FLIpE5Hc/VcV4dud+y2vNtL7z 1YbHtvjZkFODxaJeyi6nrYH5ON1gniM8skAWdc6DaiUsfGanSkkW7bcQepGsSex70/Ns Q/BoV4lb41RpIsbwD6/fkE9oXx4wG4BRuBldo= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:48:52 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811141546u2b79fcf8kbe8452c27740ae9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811141546u2b79fcf8kbe8452c27740ae9a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:48:53 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm afraid I don't understand that question. Who says he likes > rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness can never swing. > NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! ;-)) Oh, yes - I can imagine that phenomenon! It occurs when a drunk guy falls all over a drum kit. THAT is true rhythmic randomness! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 00:13:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A4D3BE86; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 580932.77577.bm@omp207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=s5hI4WB7lHX5unQ1TOiUDRRkwnu/M3Sv6eZstsd2JC8U8nrMvSHWBzr7VhvrpCpeEq++5MqN/N+qdOJWIaiw76m23DtW4i96k46E7H9u1+ifHe3REMDGPQD63cPmnOoVRb6JDoEPmJnZ63Nd9/sroclHzOKcwAtHCZaAUbZ/3nc=; X-YMail-OSG: X2YOq_0VM1kXj7mCqkWl5ccHV330_0X8B7OCzgCI_bd_jhXB_9uUeRwTCBv1QTCm_P8b68Cuq_9AUq.szGt0FtP_jt1.Epf7uETd1MZVdX6NpCe5xoXakSg8jzmSC4zeVJPqyitKn9TYg7YXbGlnaZVP.nsGVp2V9ybfCMb0DrTN5tqJ29owoRh6K_hj X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:13:44 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <379969.35139.qm@web45304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:13:46 +0000 (UTC) I confess I haven't been following the thread so I'm sure this isn't what anyone's been getting at, but the subject does bring to mind one of the things I like best about some of my favorite drummers. It's not randomness at all, per se, but just the quality of the unexpected that occurs when someone like Elvin Jones or Bill Bruford places an accent in the least likely of spots. An off-time syncopation dropped into an otherwise rock-steady drum part, just to catch you off guard... Back to lurking, -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 6:48 PM > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Per Boysen > wrote: > > I'm afraid I don't understand that question. > Who says he likes > > rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness > can never swing. > > NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! > ;-)) > > Oh, yes - I can imagine that phenomenon! It occurs when a > drunk guy > falls all over a drum kit. THAT is true rhythmic > randomness! > > per From dfckvb@capitalone.com Sat Nov 15 01:39:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 720 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:39:27 UTC Received: from mail.orrpartners.com (mail.orrpartners.com [65.123.203.98]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CE463BE7E; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([98.215.253.211]) by mail.orrpartners.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:30:22 -0500 Reply-To: dfckvb@capitalone.com From: CapitalOne Subject: Immediately login and report any unnoticed password changes ! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:23:17 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2008 01:30:22.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA848810:01C946C1] To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 02:57:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10A573BE89; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sLkzt/jDF1K2ge70KzFIbJbIMaSnuvgAbrWbCwyC9lk=; b=Tcqrbx8qvct0qTNxpo8wvZRaSQsRAgtBFYUuzxdeFw5dU8IA7ypRFsA0b1vL9VCQIm 92INkMxA/s8YBtPbAkHQCIVPaflqjGmZWbvLkkwopWGRFTEsXBTqOQFPmewvYbAGbZU2 c9muBWuvdszst2oFrDB2dum2DV8HuiZS+EBQQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Ob8UqNU8JiCEYM4jCfxb/jN1oT210Vmy4lD7YJ//PGnVxIXHSBGJGN4admVZQ0fa/Y pEodeeBPRL8tkY8XyjacQegXAXA9N3JIYvyVl0VTPljXjAFuM1E5WmwjnR/iqyxqtvN5 EEu4nXSjOnhWkz15Fo7NYVXL1f9NrzvIQ2TJw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:57:22 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:57:23 +0000 (UTC) I think I know what he means - the process of looping random percussive sounds (such as someone dropping coins non-rhythmically). That's something I did frequently when I was new to looping - I was entranced by the idea that repetition "makes anything into music". Eventually I started running into dead ends with it - if I just let it repeat, it sounded obviously redundant. If I tried to to use other random elements as a "fill", then it would sound too random and non-musical. There are still lots of interesting things to do with the idea. I'm a little more used to working with previously generated material than I am to generating material from scratch. A pattern generated from randomness often can provide a good launching point. Then, with conscious decisions made after that you get to add some personality to something which originally had none. Part of using randomness is scanning for musical elements, and learning how to productively bring them out. For example, a slightly more advanced version of the "looping random sound" would be to record the output of a cd player while tapping the "cue" and "rewind" buttons. Then go back, slow down the recording, and listen for patterns to turn into loops. I think that's what Oval did for their "94Diskont" cd. Another fun thing to do is set up your drum machine to compose a loop, and set the timing correction to 1/8th notes. Then just mash keys for a few seconds and see what pattern you get. My drum machine then lets you add and subtract different notes from it, so you can actually build a few patterns and variations with that method. ...and that's just the obvious stuff. Responding to Rick's concern, I think anything that untrained musicians can do that gives us a "hey, that sounds good, let's do that" response probably has a music theory name to it. Us untrained musicians may spend more time stumbling around in the dark, but many of us know a good thing when we happen to step in it. That reminds me - like 10 years ago, someone gave me a program called "Amen". It was made to randomize percussion wav files for "jungle" music, but it could be used for any .wav file. Does anyone know if/where that can still be purchased? Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 03:16:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F1B23BE86; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491E3EEC.9050406@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:15:56 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 References: <491CDFC1.5090806@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <491CDFC1.5090806@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:16:03 +0000 (UTC) I can't possibly add anything more eloquent, so I'll simply pile on. I'm grateful to everyone who came and played; I saw so much amazing music and it's still kicking my butt. Big thanks to everyone involved, especially Rick and the whole Santa Cruz crew for being so welcoming and supportive. I think the donations were a really amazing thing, and show what a community event it was. looking forward to next year. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I must not forget to thank, profusely, ALL THE ARTISTS who so > graciously gave their time with the generosity and brilliance of their > artistry in their performances at the Y2K8 International Live Looping > Festival. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 03:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AA743BE8B; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226719142; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=cY+kNq0nXCW9qDAYA1jKZvti4rk=; b=TeRrFNncasJNEOyWp+4pI9Ibv38ZJeUXZd3p3Y4uip8YiojY+q6v2k3nLexvv7eL avFMmj9tr1oH6q79SEKOmYwR8vAd+2VqYhELZPWGDH+1hYO0hjO6k25bkU/alB1E; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=P4JZzK8o3xYA:10 a=BtSt9F2pHKoA:10 a=hhhwLdTAAAAA:8 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=BMdYp1Wt164lnpGXUsYA:9 a=tao5WqknfHeM3nM400YA:7 a=2lvQbo92S4ophYY-NCWJTuuqVjQA:4 a=pyz5_6glG38A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000e01c946d0$e82c5090$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:19:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <9QMLQC.A.LyF.n-jHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Matt, I found it here, enjoy http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Windows/zs-1-amen.html Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Davignon" To: Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness >I think I know what he means - the process of looping random > percussive sounds (such as someone dropping coins non-rhythmically). > That's something I did frequently when I was new to looping - I was > entranced by the idea that repetition "makes anything into music". > Eventually I started running into dead ends with it - if I just let it > repeat, it sounded obviously redundant. If I tried to to use other > random elements as a "fill", then it would sound too random and > non-musical. > > There are still lots of interesting things to do with the idea. I'm a > little more used to working with previously generated material than I > am to generating material from scratch. A pattern generated from > randomness often can provide a good launching point. Then, with > conscious decisions made after that you get to add some personality to > something which originally had none. > > Part of using randomness is scanning for musical elements, and > learning how to productively bring them out. For example, a slightly > more advanced version of the "looping random sound" would be to record > the output of a cd player while tapping the "cue" and "rewind" > buttons. Then go back, slow down the recording, and listen for > patterns to turn into loops. I think that's what Oval did for their > "94Diskont" cd. > > Another fun thing to do is set up your drum machine to compose a loop, > and set the timing correction to 1/8th notes. Then just mash keys for > a few seconds and see what pattern you get. My drum machine then lets > you add and subtract different notes from it, so you can actually > build a few patterns and variations with that method. > > ...and that's just the obvious stuff. > > Responding to Rick's concern, I think anything that untrained > musicians can do that gives us a "hey, that sounds good, let's do > that" response probably has a music theory name to it. Us untrained > musicians may spend more time stumbling around in the dark, but many > of us know a good thing when we happen to step in it. > > That reminds me - like 10 years ago, someone gave me a program called > "Amen". It was made to randomize percussion wav files for "jungle" > music, but it could be used for any .wav file. Does anyone know > if/where that can still be purchased? > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 03:56:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA423BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491E4871.9070605@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:56:33 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Derek Bailey's solo stuff is incredibly beautiful, to me; but pretty damn random-sounding rhythmically. No groove whatsoever! But it's still pleasing, to some people, even though it's melodically random-sounding too. (I say "-sounding" because he plays in an intuitive way, not random in some kind of generated sense.) When it comes to looping, I love varying or random-sounding rhythms that are repeated, especially when they are layered. I think rhythm and texture relate in the same way that matter and energy do; it's the same stuff, but according to circumstances, appear as one or the other. Simplistic, obviously. I'm no scientist! But a lot of the looping I enjoy (my own included...) includes all kinds of arrhythmic, non-groovacious crap that sounds like music, to me, and even seems to create its own rhythm, though perhaps too complex to beat one's foot to. I don't think rhythm has to necessarily be consistent, or markedly present, for good stuff to happen. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 04:17:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032C33BE89; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:17:24 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <491E4871.9070605@mhorse.com> References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> <491E4871.9070605@mhorse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20081115041741.9A17D247EE@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:17:42 +0000 (UTC) For a few years now I've been experimenting with something that relates to this ( I think so anyway ) I start off with a short rhythmic droney sort of thing on guitar and loop that, then I do a melodic lead, usually improvised on guitar that runs several measures long, and lastly I play some composed piece of music on the hammered dulcimer over top of those two loops. Now both of the longer leads are in time with the short loop but they are different lengths and have a different rhythmic sense to them. What follows is two melodic lines that sometimes run together and then drift apart harmonically and rhythmically. I suppose this isn't truely random but it does make for a less predictable sound than the typical celtic type melodies that you would hear on the dulicmer. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 04:39:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E07093BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:38:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AclGs43eKX57HYVhSx2RYzwYbPZkdQAJ9p5A In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-Id: <20081115043901.86CBC3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:39:01 +0000 (UTC) To experience rehearsed rhythmic randomness, listen to any of Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band's middle period, i.e. Lick My Decals Off Baby, Trout Mask Replica, or Spotlight Kid. While these sound random to many ears, the band rehearsed those grooves and reproduced them live. Frequently there is a 4-beat pulse underneath, but not always. Plus, to my joy, they extrapolated the blues out a long way... dave On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I'm afraid I don't understand that question. Who says he likes > rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness can never swing. > NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! ;-)) Oh, yes - I can imagine that phenomenon! It occurs when a drunk guy falls all over a drum kit. THAT is true rhythmic randomness! per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 05:52:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A80FF3BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "dave eichenberger" To: Subject: 'soft clicking' sound on my EDP Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:51:53 -0500 Message-ID: <008101c946e6$43cde840$cb69b8c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclG5j63z1qD1LD/QE2bXTInQTR7OQ== Content-Language: en-us x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AD/A AbsQ DLhs DkOG D8Yo FIQI FJwp GJ1Q G2Yb IG+g IVHx JAEu JYfZ JZc6 JiLE Kt4f;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{0A508BA1-54C6-4A1D-A4B9-66CC570C1C18};ZABhAHYAZQBAAGQAYQB2AGUAZQBpAGMAaABlAG4AYgBlAHIAZwBlAHIALgBjAG8AbQA=;Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:51:46 GMT;JwBzAG8AZgB0ACAAYwBsAGkAYwBrAGkAbgBnACcAIABzAG8AdQBuAGQAIABvAG4AIABtAHkAIABFAEQAUAA= x-cr-puzzleid: {0A508BA1-54C6-4A1D-A4B9-66CC570C1C18} X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19jlgHmQgnxGF/9PX6b3K3lc8JTnmmASRZ8j3L /1qQ/W2BZei+57K8QfY1YiU4+Kpr/e0IJb+OprDDMXu+gro6XQ x6u8Ni1VtHiPs7CKedPYtGJWdYSNGBS6uafr2Y0uLw= Resent-Message-ID: <05H30D.A.XTC.WOmHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 05:52:22 +0000 (UTC) I have an Oberheim EDP w/Loop 4, which was overhauled and updated by British Audio Electronics right around the time they started coming out with the blackface Gibson ones. I am using it in the aux send of my Mackie 1202VLZ, like I always have, and tonight I am noticing a 'soft click'...kind of a 'bump' in through the audio outs. This happens when I go into overdub, and to a lesser extent, when I start recording too. I can record a 'blank' loop (no audio), and you hear it when I first hit record, and then when I hit overdub. The clicking isn't recorded in the loop. It happens if I trigger the EDP via MIDI or with the front panel. Anyone ever experience this? Any resolution? Anything I can try? dave eichenberger www.daveeichenberger.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 06:34:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A24183BE89; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3599 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:34:33 UTC Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:28:51 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance -- Dr. T with Strings 11.22.08-- Lowell, MA To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:34:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Another exciting evening of mixed-media improv at Walter and Mary Ann's lovely gallery. Doctor T -- Video mixing Karen Langlie -- cello and effects, Eric Crawley -- Harpejji and effects Gil Bristol -- acoustic bass Culinary note: There is an outstanding Cambodian restaurant next door to the gallery. Admission by donation. 119 Gallery, 119 Chelmsford St, Lowell www.119gallery.org -- My photography can be viewed at http://www.flickr.com/photos/22231918@N06/collections/72157603627170351/ My videos can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/Tobenfeld Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 06:54:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A990E3BE89; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:54:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4c9fa4bf-4ef6-49ad-a9c5-7e6681ff3eb0_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: Rhythmic Randomness vs Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:54:43 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081115055223.540853BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081115055223.540853BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2008 06:54:44.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A986F60:01C946EF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 06:54:45 +0000 (UTC) --_4c9fa4bf-4ef6-49ad-a9c5-7e6681ff3eb0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 "is rhythmic randomness real=20 random=2C like in an aleatoric sense?" =20 The question that occurs to me:Is rhythmic randomeness real rhythm? --_4c9fa4bf-4ef6-49ad-a9c5-7e6681ff3eb0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B
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= --_4c9fa4bf-4ef6-49ad-a9c5-7e6681ff3eb0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 10:07:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4A33BE7F; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=msqVhnJNJOc0Iz1GzWRQTlkglfFQR5r5vV5A8NCuMAOVvMKrX8AHZE0t3PEm58zjyAIqE1yyAJwn1IfHlA3AaewyMh5ZpUvNN4Ew4S7uioU2M98UofD0auAU0z4W7/SbT8rocxkWs52u04VmKFrT2LgIwwqyOhxsS9ihs4japac=; X-YMail-OSG: BhECOV0VM1k2b1QmpSmJAraoB2qECCW8BWMAtxdzkpgs77vyX25CRwOgBFAvPJs0YmCFiZZJiXSXW1KpCnwEnIK_NFyWHkZAMv9V5GoX2CeUfJZv.HP7zN1GZGRICVnkuXNIibLCskl5GUCQUNLYFlFB4yk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:07:16 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: new macbook rant/protection plan ebay price To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <161714.55272.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Check out the price in ebay for a protection plan http://cgi.ebay.com/AppleCare-Protection-Plan-MA519LL-A-MacBook-or-MB-Air_W0QQitemZ200274496780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200274496780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1307 compared to the 249.00 apple store price tag,are these legitimate???... then im buying one right away! Luis > > > > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare > > protection plan > > until one year after the purchase. > > > > -- > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > www.myspace.com/perboysen > > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 10:35:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE7893BE89; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=dn13HeD9GwKSWCUzbwFKY/PynqhcnSXveow/rzUveSU=; b=DohyZ5QCyVF4urMsngyr/HARei82/4Ke1l6gdUU06ypBIja5egqBnRU780SDbw8fJE RH3KoWD0/6O/rVO8K5WIDnbYRQ86NEFh3LKVDskmrbLD/6PjnbQSb51JUAqOCffWwUK+ ZusHjIin5W2NXGYFTglIkQYMJzAoYTdyU00Pg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=lL8270xEXA95bVUOsB0UzmIkgI/++YngJEfmLxO1HAMr65YtmJaZ/G3b2Ro3FMngKn vd9yLrCT8RuRqJQKRIP9JuDmPjGBndfTEs6ExZyJ21kETRvbbbgqsDqu03hWo9FSjcHf 8VuQQDmB/eipXqakDNf4pKV9OP67ILzjuMieU= Message-ID: <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:35:50 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > What's Experimental [music]? > > I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it. I can't, as soon I hear music I know its music or not. But if I hear it I don't need any label anymore... If I would be asked by somebody who didn't hear it, I probably would try to label it according to the musical background of the person who askes... Same is true if you need to market an event. The label only has the function to attract potential listeners. The music will be different than the label anyway... Btw. this specific label says nothing about style, but a lot about the creation process. With this in mind, I think Krispen did the correct thing by using different labels for his fest. Ben schrieb: > IMHO the goal of music is to entertain, either the listeners (top > 50/pop/dance stuff) or the musician (new experiences: scale, rhytm, > instrument or whatever ...). Finally something I can whole heartedly disagree. I think music is an art form (at least what I am intersted in). The essence of art has nothing to do with entertainment at all. Though entertainment and art are not a contradiction, their aim is fundamentally different and is mostly understood wrongly. I think that entertainment is probably one of the strongest tools an artist can use, but it is not art. Its as if you would claim "Music is playing the guitar"... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 11:06:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB03D3BE7F; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=r3MARr67sAc3c6uUy5fo3pzk74LZl7tHXiE3bIrXKZE=; b=vP5xR8iGhe99ss3fc+jU1rvd3Nmw/MAhqOqx85wsj+bjVG0HA1YhCkyyurWyYWAFYv gVGNhNVxPGJ6iQQZGece+uZa5cSryfA/KKK1CRTjiNrC4rpztQCgitOCjfKkp/JGZN4w gCLop6nH17MubI/UVXHTxu7yygWLVpeqCnqgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZOyrxVH/djWQ6lIWeBVCPc5O+bnYeMvZXniqPuhStjL+CRO9ltm979E4MMOUeUrPah h1q/2woC4NCqHKBKB8Gul+dKm/fZFkzyExhFwQWavxAt9yLT3+0bCOG3yJGggS+Th7l8 5nvE86QDyPsOlLAYa/69ntGB8G0ZYp6JIqb4s= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811150306t6cdd4d12n80153655d2254c51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 12:06:28 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Amen (Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:06:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 3:57 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > That reminds me - like 10 years ago, someone gave me a program called > "Amen". It was made to randomize percussion wav files for "jungle" > music, but it could be used for any .wav file. Does anyone know > if/where that can still be purchased? 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TEL: +(44)701 113 5345 Email Address: profmervynking@hotmail.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 11:09:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2E393BE7F; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 107969669/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.155.250/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.155.250 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvAAABI9HklPTpv6/2dsb2JhbAAIjwO/WYJ5g0Y X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,609,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="107969669" Message-ID: <491EAE7F.9030804@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:11:59 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT? Re: What's experimental? References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> What's Experimental [music]? >> >> I can't explain it. But I know it when I hear it. > > I can't, as soon I hear music I know its music or not. > Things that often don't sound like music straight away: 1) anything with "volume wars" compression 2) drum machines 3) digital pianos andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 11:14:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 990333BE8D; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:14:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 104169236/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.155.250/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.155.250 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AusAAMc9HklPTpv6/2dsb2JhbAAIzliCeYNG X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,609,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="104169236" Message-ID: <491EAFF4.2080701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:18:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed References: <184975.82636.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <184975.82636.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:14:57 +0000 (UTC) L.Angulo wrote: > How many choices will there be Andy?having all would be offcourse a dream but to play over the I II III ,IV, V, VI, VII would be more than enogh to make a song happen! > Luis > > >>> If there were just a few selectable pitches, which >> would you use most? >>> e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth Provisional plan for the EDP emulator is to have a few buttons on the plugin graphic inteface, with a some carefully selected pitches. ...but we already implemented the ability to respond to Midi notes, so that gives you every semitone. Warren Sirota wrote: > nice summary, andy. ta > i'd also like to point out that in my experience, > actual artifacts are minimal if you're just change the playback speed on > a loop to pitch-shift it (except during the actual process of changing > when the buffers are overlapping) - it's like changing the speed on a > turntable. (as opposed to pitch-shifting and time-stretching to preserve > loop length). The choice is about what happens at extreme pitch shift, do you 1) limit the range to what works "well". 2) use a lot of cpu intensive filtering to reduce aliasing. 3) give the users an unlimited control range, and let them decide whether they want to keep within the artefact free range. Incidentally, I already developed algorithms that don't produce artefacts during the pitch change ;-) andy butler >>> >>> Any other dreams? >>> >>> andy butler >> >> -- > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 13:38:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13A273BE85; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:38:07 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=wRSVAluUhWXTYS4C3tQwG9hOj7J2ParbXwd8S87YMVVyWWWT+0Ad6eT64++A6S/BDJnY+I5cf9O8kUE835QNnZq9SvxnMCokNC0EVB3Pq33z1uB/N9lurpLBKcCsA5g/; Message-ID: <20081115073124.tupsxba8cg4c4gck@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 07:31:24 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: THANKS to the PERFORMERS at Y2K8 References: <491CDFC1.5090806@cruzio.com> <491E3EEC.9050406@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <491E3EEC.9050406@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 13:38:07 +0000 (UTC) Hello to all. I want to chime in and thank everyone involved with Y2K8. 2008 has brought its share of challenges and to "loose myself" for a weekend of looping was inspiring, calming, and therapeutic. For me, it was an excellent way to spend a couple of days. Of course, it all ended too soon. Thanks to Rick, Bill, and all the organizers for their tireless work. Thanks to the performers for providing a rich variety of music. And thanks to the audience for creating such a great "vibe" to the whole event. Look forward to seeing everyone at future events. Sincerely, Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 14:23:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96F903BE8B; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=fkQRd41BrD66K5quTL9u0bO1CWw8bgHj5Jf/k3z2Bk8=; b=el0XP/kbEa8M5cY4csFkojXjv3JPenks5v50AsWz4rAhUWccXkQFVFIm9q7+NFwyvP jdq8kozf8TVYZ2bWTIXRMxj2y3SzzPeSKzilWr4SAudqrMnneg/IpFEsXIlA3cT9ULue 1doa17pRJmuLjb58c7vr7FchjwEevT1OdfnkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nfeaoosNUpqbP4BSxkzo4uz0JI6vsSwoxvko9N6apogSBKR/2IbaG9601Vhc6uiMiD eEOJzMXhqgCFhNL87Zxap3aY6+k0EuFOXUdjaPyuVKZ1N0Ou23GKCFeoBq4IgIKFIV9l eDFQWakn3SdwYTD3mMLSlHxYqhh/FwaOgLJM0= Message-ID: <101191640811150623u7726af94lec69b77fe42db0c1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:23:36 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT? Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <491EAE7F.9030804@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_51018_8334726.1226759016593" References: <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EAE7F.9030804@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 66c5ba7cfb67ae7b Resent-Message-ID: <5pjIBC.A.Ax.pttHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:23:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_51018_8334726.1226759016593 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have yet another thought to add: it has always seemed to me that my "mission" - whether I am deserving of it or not, and in which I doubt I'm singular - has long been "to expand the ways that people think about music". now, in this expansive crowd, that is well-nigh impossible (and my aim here generally *is *more to entertain and amuse, ironically), but at a country fair or certain other kind of public events, it's actually quite doable, and rewarding. is *that *what we call experimental? Warren ------=_Part_51018_8334726.1226759016593 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have yet another thought to add: it has always seemed to me that my "mission" - whether I am deserving of it or not, and in which I doubt I'm singular - has long been "to expand the ways that people think about music". now, in this expansive crowd, that is well-nigh impossible (and my aim here generally is more to entertain and amuse, ironically), but at a country fair or certain other kind of public events, it's actually quite doable, and rewarding.

is that what we call experimental?

Warren
------=_Part_51018_8334726.1226759016593-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 14:50:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7A9F3BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=bNjtMOVG2CwAdHAsZpKhzT/6Rf/XITjwg+NtL5XvIe8=; b=mJaRgPM7MnWZF+kIa2cpZnFouAFl9E9t4oro06iyVVrnHsLP9OnqkdB3JdSLPhl+FQ LKTm+tv/aaGmUFblw1yGtl85rUXuCpztv+OyiF4rSIvvQs7Pwr/mkWV3QXEAz+ADeiKp +s82Lso/+b55CM5rsGsWSrVUz33OKQrHo0XcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=owZPvfsMr2dxPYqVaYepizfzaPwHnezUDPGQnLgvYItDVbY+0sVnH862Qsm5tQFbsu UKMpdJjA4RmWKXkyIklsAT45srd4csFXS27AUn80YuI9TnERi3KflCiHmKMd+rlNbNqy Wt/Tcoyr8WlVW+Jmb9AC/W0hdbo6Ai/16aKIs= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811150650w19065296q5f1fcbc003bf50c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:50:06 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:50:07 +0000 (UTC) > In the Vari speed thread (fascinating by the way) a lot is > talked about doing things that generate random rhythms to > play against. > [...] > Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than > melodic or harmonic randomness? Rick, again, I'm entering that thread somewhat late, so I will in part be repeating things already said. It seems to me that in your text, you're mixing up three different concepts/effects, namely: a) randomness (i.e. using some random/pseudo-random effect, like a random number generator in a computer to affect pitch/rhythm in some way) b) accepting non-calculated effects on one domain when consciusly affecting the other (the domains being time and frequency) c) doing things in an unreflected way. I have the impression that you're mainly talking about b) and c). In a), I can do that in a way that affects pitch(frequency) or rhythm, or both at the same time, by assigning a random variable to pitch, time compression or varispeed. It seems to me that both of these effects are used, but when used it is easier to work with them both for musician and audience when you only randomly affect pitch and leave the rhythm alone. Why is that? This has to do with what you're indirectly hinting at - that the usual musician and listener is more educated in the frequency than in the time domain, hence (and this conclusion of mine is directly opposite to yours) he will more easily accept frequency randomness than time randomness. In other words: the listener (musician or audience) can accept the pitch going crazy as long as the groove keeps going. When we look at c), I think we all can agree that it is not good if the musician does things in an unreflected way - no matter in which domain. The interesting thing (and also in the context of the varispeed thread) is b): Let me discuss an extremely simple example to show what I'm talking about here. Say you have a loop on a (varispeed-enabled) looper (e.g. Mobius, Repeater, SMM w/Hazari, Digitech RDS/PDS) consisting of a single note (e.g. an "a") which we will now assume is "the pulse". Now the musician (who is more consciously at home in the frequency than in the time domain, as I assumed when discussing a) above) might decide to generate some melodic line out of this simple loop by periodically varispeeding it (which can be sequenced easily e.g. in Mobius by using the rate shift sequence). So he might want a repeating sequence of "a a a a d d e g" (each pitch single notes) and programs that. Now this will result in the pulse getting screwed up, because before you had a very simple rhythmic pulse, now you get something very odd, which the musician may not have consciously have thought about when programm the sequence. It becomes a little tricky to do the calculation here (and although I have studied and worked a lot with serial composition techniques, I couldn't do that intuitively - and I challenge all of you, including you, Rick, to quickly (without doing calculations, to guess how long that new sequence is in the pulse-quantized time domain), so I'd have to do the math, which is: before, we had in the pulse domain (one pulse being length "1" now) simply eight notes equals a length of 8. Now you have Four notes at normal playback speed: 4 Two notes a perfect fourth up (ratio 4:3): 8/3 One note a perfect fifth up (ratio 3:2): 3/2 One note a major second down (ratio 8:9): 8/9 Which sums up to 4+8/3+3/2+8/9 coming up to around 9.06. Anyone who guessed it correctly? And of course, I'm claiming that the majority of musicians who think in the time domain (i.e. in rhythmic terms) would not be able to instantly guess (meaning: when they're improvising) which pitches they'd be hitting if they decided to go for a quintuple rhythm for three of the pulses or something. So , I am of the opinion that when working in a spontaneous/improvised fashion, most musicians cannot consciously think and compose in both time and frequency domain at the same time. But (and here, I'm again challenging your statement, Rick) I don't believe that unreflected rhythmic alteration/screwup is more accepted than unreflected melodic alteration/screwup. Much more, most musicians think more firmly in the frequency domain, and thus, the domain which gets screwed up is time (although this may be the other way 'round for a drummer like you working with varispeeding tuned instruments). Rainer (there is a great counterexample to that "unreflected use", but I can't right now remember what the track is called or who did it, although I assume it was Amon Tobin. It's some kind of big-beat tune where there's a melodic loop which for some tournaround gets varispeeded first down (resulting in a dragging rhythm) and then up (rushing back up) to come out perfectly on the tonic on the first beat of the next chorus, beautifully set against a super-straight, relatively simplistic programmed beat. Anyone knows which tune I'm talking about?). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 15:54:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5031D3BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:54:17 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:54:20 +0000 (UTC) This is a keeper. Well put, Stefan! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I think music is an art form (at least what I am intersted in). The > essence of art has nothing to do with entertainment at all. Though > entertainment and art are not a contradiction, their aim is > fundamentally different and is mostly understood wrongly. > I think that entertainment is probably one of the strongest tools an > artist can use, but it is not art. > > Its as if you would claim "Music is playing the guitar"... > > Stefan > From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:07:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 389 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:07:37 UTC Received: from n22c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n22c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.219]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DC0CF3BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:01:06 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:01:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:01:05 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 984605.7226.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 78990 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:01:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WP8Vzwdj14W3P9TS2DjX83NEUYNBJJ77QYxwRnL7zYlSFOo0g/sCkhfbtbnO+b32EHZq6JD73qjsaXU6or9xmtFP4EW1lKzwnHzSgMNXNStC0k/ePW4jlJxWGATiuLqPH2tEv+tyYuanajpdWAqdUkt4X8K+A96GOa0PFutUbXw=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:01:05 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:01:05 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-796988015-1226764865=:78681" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <535336.78681.qm@web111108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-796988015-1226764865=:78681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-796988015-1226764865=:78681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
--0-796988015-1226764865=:78681-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:08:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 352 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:08:31 UTC Received: from n23c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n23c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.39]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E70F3BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.64] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 786529.7226.bm@omp416.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18563 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YT6qwY8Now8UrpyGJ5sbtYP3Jy7yzsGLWTKGwcspqW7lMON40TYl+XGZ1Xta3brbJZHvhBYvw+7IeFlk/Hd35EQrXRDx8hiKxCSdNWqF+ZDVmPHa4x3nLg0d7beSn4H26EyWr0iMQ8mVwijCes2rdNBlBKOQ78tCQmer07g7tqg=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:02:37 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1901372273-1226764957=:12109" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <313036.12109.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-1901372273-1226764957=:12109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-1901372273-1226764957=:12109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
--0-1901372273-1226764957=:12109-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:09:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.147]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 51B163BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [209.191.108.97] by n20.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.251] by t4.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 712263.11176.bm@omp412.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18559 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:02:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DQeUd6TgE/B0Kx+htt05B0XeW+4BuBwfVeFC13AHqQrVDs055T8ql/NC+Akz1TOzKgfi4dAUr61zVf+KI6Fqb1HsahENtky7Gar6JhNMjGeqG68pdviuDwX1r7n/uov6HLJ6uPFSnKz9mHixEG4DovF096r/hmuVW896oczfG8M=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:02:37 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1200803648-1226764957=:12109" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <245061.12109.qm@web111114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-1200803648-1226764957=:12109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-1200803648-1226764957=:12109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a new email address!
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
--0-1200803648-1226764957=:12109-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:14:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from n22c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n22c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.219]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A7A63BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n22.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.68] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 747239.93097.bm@omp420.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56648 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xdYwF9wOvBL7Gorn5DfQ7rF25/mA9sRCsft9GpM39g9Hjvl21YAa7aa7zR+zaB1cCKLCeVo9099KvM+fRgzLCHiitOQHwgIW+B8PsxtizTB2ajq8yUthifAjmyCllWiYcp8bOT1XbtMYepsb0xkQfguIah32IreMGFi28OhTJOs=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:14:44 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2047001638-1226765684=:56204" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <307810.56204.qm@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-2047001638-1226765684=:56204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-2047001638-1226765684=:56204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a new email address!
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
--0-2047001638-1226765684=:56204-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:14:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.222]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E909B3BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:14:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n27.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.249] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 952612.92762.bm@omp410.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 56644 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:14:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=v/VgTYCQvgt4aFTTCEXYe111Rwsl7d0p/ciwQDtxpqNfqLN7fvUXGQlfTi7jFO06IlmpOG9mBKkB9t1Bu6PCr8kagIBnhWM4+7ahCLUfdsYbd0Xy7riUr03qDggDZR6jejDIur9jONW5CjnmyWvK76u4MKHg6n+DXOUIqjN9hEc=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:14:44 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1219012111-1226765684=:56204" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <255664.56204.qm@web111103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-1219012111-1226765684=:56204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-1219012111-1226765684=:56204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have a new email address!
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
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--0-207067580-1226765760=:41092-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:18:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 323 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:18:56 UTC Received: from n9d.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n9d.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.111]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D35B3BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n9.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 154786.40095.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74493 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:13:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xzxcEXREVS3HgUTXv1VMQ9N+E19JMdqlrfUuFquVI2wSPxRMZohI3JgGNEPXlW5Hy1lcN6raz+3V0QCEPbdMS8xn4RVhPbejJxRdSClPjdFRi4i2k+LO/crGGzBS8d5xzqqIql26EcuM1pH3faK/YE38jxxDLJSYuFCImRNmixg=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:13:30 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-84962691-1226765610=:73574" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <659426.73574.qm@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-84962691-1226765610=:73574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-84962691-1226765610=:73574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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--0-84962691-1226765610=:73574-- From western.dynamic@yahoo.com Sat Nov 15 16:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopersdelight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 348 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:21 UTC Received: from n3.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n3.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.127.223]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E4CD3BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n3.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.69] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Nov 2008 16:13:31 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 229805.61728.bm@omp421.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 74498 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Nov 2008 16:13:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JTVT+LCpUxrI+hNY6kIxM0oGsi4mQjdI+IRHc+MfXzPegDbIHofsfRYpUp8/qOWo8GWkajy+S5kh/X6jmGRKFaNBSab1Ff9kF1f+MSvrkeKx66MNqpi9nTxh98FuHbkWKm2G3oF9rQJTt1mLvZzolQuuMtkFQrfGmg5wW8wjAxk=; Received: from [195.225.62.198] by web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:13:30 PST Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: world best Reply-To: atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com Subject: Your ATM of US$6million Notification. To: looparc@loopersdelight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-722826015-1226765610=:73574" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <751899.73574.qm@web111101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-722826015-1226765610=:73574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have a new email address!You can now email me at: western.dynamic@yahoo.com - This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah. --0-722826015-1226765610=:73574 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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- This is to officially inform you that ATM card number: 453 97978 02143 worth Six Million Dollars ($6Million usd) has been credited in your favor in bid to compensate you on your pass effort with me to transfer some funds into your account, since you are next on inheritance file for the last part of this fiscal Year 2008. We issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) so you must have to indicate this code when contacting them, officer Kim Johnson (Mr.) on: (atmcardpayment@mailpersonal.com or ) with the following for proper verification and claim processing: The swift card center will send you atm card, which you will use to withdrew your money from any ATM machine in any part of the world, but the maximum is (one hundred thousand dollars US$100.000.00) per day. Note because of the imposters, that we hereby issue you our code of conduct tag number which is (7997) Meanwhile, address where you want them to send the card through Diplomatic Courier Service (P.O.Box not accepted A valid phone number where you can be reached. Full Name........ Delivery Address............, Occupation...........Phone Number............ . Age............. sex........ NOTE: You are also required to send to the verification officer/agent a means of Identification which should be a scan copy of your Driver's License or International Passport for proper verification and authentication. Regards Martin Mensah.
--0-1609214512-1226765760=:41092-- From profcharlexxxinfo@earthlink.net Sat Nov 15 16:26:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 341 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:26:33 UTC Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DC33BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=De1Zdl1oL2Dy6pDr/NynQinjfL3OnRso/SKs3cYy/YLIhbFCszgLt0gXmS1P6KAS; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.44] (helo=elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1Ntg-0004YN-PD; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:21:20 -0500 Received: from 64.66.192.61 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:21:20 -0500 Message-ID: <32729204.1226766080382.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:21:20 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Reply-To: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Subject: YOUR FUND IS READY FOR PAYMENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 67467dbc120448e5075ad446712c46ea0ba167aeb931aee97e972de0d01da940a6eb0bc8bb25fb803547ee5e65df4861350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 To: undisclosed-recipients:; >From The Desk Of: Professor Charles Soludo, Executive Governor, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). Dated 14. 11. 2008 DEAR FUND BENEFICIARY, IMMEDIATE CONTRACT PAYMENT AV/NNPC/FGN/MIN/009 On behalf of the entire Staff of the Central Bank of Nigeria and the Federal Government of Nigeria in collaboration with IMF and World Bank.We apologise for the delay of your Contract Payment and all the Inconveniences you encountered while pursuing this payment. However,from the Records of outstanding contracts/inheritance fund due for payment with the Federal Government of Nigeria, your Name and Company was discovered as next on the list of the outstanding Contractors who have not yet received their payments. I wish to inform you now that the square peg is now in square hole and your payment is being processed and will be released to you as soon as you respond to this letter.Also note that from the record in my file, your outstanding Contract Payment is US$10,700,000.00 (Ten Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars).Kindly re-confirm to me the followings: Your Full Name: ______________________________ Your Complete Address ______________________ Name of City of Residence:_______________________________ Country:____________________________________ Direct Telephone Number:________________________ Mobile Number:____________________________________ Nearest airport:________________________________ Working Identity Card/:________________________________ AGE:________________________________ OCCUPATION:________________________________ As soon as the above mentioned details are received, your payment will be made to you via diplomatic courier delivery inaccordance to World Bank and IMF recommendations. A diplomat with international travel immunity will be contacted to deliver the funds at your doorstep. YOURS SINCERELY, PROFESSOR CHARLES C. SOLUDO, GOVERNOR, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). Direct Telephone Number:+234-803 483 2420 From profcharlexxxinfo@earthlink.net Sat Nov 15 16:32:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.64]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488893BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:32:21 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=C0afNUpTLm7JVNmrzkbrMQKudR7QjLN7sl56ymSMqz787zLW2kNLrFVH9t3peUte; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.44] (helo=elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-curtail.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1Nuc-0001O6-DL; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:22:18 -0500 Received: from 64.66.192.61 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:22:17 -0500 Message-ID: <26205745.1226766138102.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:22:17 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Reply-To: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Subject: YOUR FUND IS READY FOR PAYMENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 67467dbc120448e5075ad446712c46ea0ba167aeb931aee97e972de0d01da9406f204e9538407fbdaf350f2b515053f8350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 To: undisclosed-recipients:; >From The Desk Of: Professor Charles Soludo, Executive Governor, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). Dated 14. 11. 2008 DEAR FUND BENEFICIARY, IMMEDIATE CONTRACT PAYMENT AV/NNPC/FGN/MIN/009 On behalf of the entire Staff of the Central Bank of Nigeria and the Federal Government of Nigeria in collaboration with IMF and World Bank.We apologise for the delay of your Contract Payment and all the Inconveniences you encountered while pursuing this payment. However,from the Records of outstanding contracts/inheritance fund due for payment with the Federal Government of Nigeria, your Name and Company was discovered as next on the list of the outstanding Contractors who have not yet received their payments. I wish to inform you now that the square peg is now in square hole and your payment is being processed and will be released to you as soon as you respond to this letter.Also note that from the record in my file, your outstanding Contract Payment is US$10,700,000.00 (Ten Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars).Kindly re-confirm to me the followings: Your Full Name: ______________________________ Your Complete Address ______________________ Name of City of Residence:_______________________________ Country:____________________________________ Direct Telephone Number:________________________ Mobile Number:____________________________________ Nearest airport:________________________________ Working Identity Card/:________________________________ AGE:________________________________ OCCUPATION:________________________________ As soon as the above mentioned details are received, your payment will be made to you via diplomatic courier delivery inaccordance to World Bank and IMF recommendations. 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Direct Telephone Number:+234-803 483 2420 From profcharlexxxinfo@earthlink.net Sat Nov 15 16:40:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.66]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DC63BE7E for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:40:08 +0000 (UTC) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sQKhA3XG/DMi8gUFy09+CEhFqJRvRR8VbMHWU6G1KxBpi9aFDnXLSn5Yu2RVeB7Q; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [209.86.224.44] (helo=elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1Nsa-0003b3-0X; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:20:12 -0500 Received: from 64.66.192.61 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <5509472.1226766011710.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:20:11 +0100 (GMT+01:00) From: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Reply-To: CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA Subject: YOUR FUND IS READY FOR PAYMENT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 67467dbc120448e5075ad446712c46ea0ba167aeb931aee97e972de0d01da940fc214041413749962143e34dc3692d64350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.44 To: undisclosed-recipients:; >From The Desk Of: Professor Charles Soludo, Executive Governor, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). Dated 14. 11. 2008 DEAR FUND BENEFICIARY, IMMEDIATE CONTRACT PAYMENT AV/NNPC/FGN/MIN/009 On behalf of the entire Staff of the Central Bank of Nigeria and the Federal Government of Nigeria in collaboration with IMF and World Bank.We apologise for the delay of your Contract Payment and all the Inconveniences you encountered while pursuing this payment. However,from the Records of outstanding contracts/inheritance fund due for payment with the Federal Government of Nigeria, your Name and Company was discovered as next on the list of the outstanding Contractors who have not yet received their payments. I wish to inform you now that the square peg is now in square hole and your payment is being processed and will be released to you as soon as you respond to this letter.Also note that from the record in my file, your outstanding Contract Payment is US$10,700,000.00 (Ten Million Seven Hundred Thousand United States Dollars).Kindly re-confirm to me the followings: Your Full Name: ______________________________ Your Complete Address ______________________ Name of City of Residence:_______________________________ Country:____________________________________ Direct Telephone Number:________________________ Mobile Number:____________________________________ Nearest airport:________________________________ Working Identity Card/:________________________________ AGE:________________________________ OCCUPATION:________________________________ As soon as the above mentioned details are received, your payment will be made to you via diplomatic courier delivery inaccordance to World Bank and IMF recommendations. A diplomat with international travel immunity will be contacted to deliver the funds at your doorstep. YOURS SINCERELY, PROFESSOR CHARLES C. SOLUDO, GOVERNOR, CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA (CBN). Direct Telephone Number:+234-803 483 2420 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 17:41:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBFC73BE8F; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=G8aczSjCenA9V6Qt0iPeA65SzC/Rbb3ryMoIzI7hduM=; b=X7ItdiY/azhN9Gu5fuB64S6ysogb9wJWlEkUfbG91ba/iu1lkkazeaK/I+dfiB1Itw 9aQlkI2d+4Lve/dkrH1W80p049DX0/6mi9eonk0y469naag6Dzy3omQqTlFQZvGi61lu EV143H0AODVBUfiVX4RyVeGTvGQqhUK4RzAh0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=QSj3kSuhHHJ3fXzoz1tb9pBrafcB30ma3QUYa7d5JYnc6H+QT9PUwJW3l9Jxo9+2oY 9hp+m1JUCj0U1HecyYPjLbje0mOer2o9Xx9Gu49p4lRDoXZoc73KLnW+pUEYqitM4Vdt TPKY4NEWL1QUsDkm1upy8YgIl1khz1FH/uduI= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811150933y63d38d09me4b6c6fdab098f64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:33:52 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: new macbook rant/protection plan ebay price In-Reply-To: <161714.55272.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_43198_24822.1226770433008" References: <161714.55272.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_0ShvB.A.8w.ymwHJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_43198_24822.1226770433008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline They are legit, but you will have to ask the seller to transfer the warranty into someone else's name if you happen to decide to sell the computer. It was a pain, and didn't work out when I tried to get my seller to do this for me. The warranty itself is legit though. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:07 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > Check out the price in ebay for a protection plan > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/AppleCare-Protection-Plan-MA519LL-A-MacBook-or-MB-Air_W0QQitemZ200274496780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200274496780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1307 > > compared to the 249.00 apple store price tag,are these legitimate???... > then im buying one right away! > Luis > > > > > > > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare > > > protection plan > > > until one year after the purchase. > > > > > > -- > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > > > Per Boysen > > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > www.myspace.com/perboysen > > > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > ------=_Part_43198_24822.1226770433008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline They are legit, but you will have to ask the seller to transfer the warranty into someone else's name if you happen to decide to sell the computer. It was a pain, and didn't work out when I tried to get my seller to do this for me. The warranty itself is legit though.

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:07 AM, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Check out the price in ebay for a protection plan

http://cgi.ebay.com/AppleCare-Protection-Plan-MA519LL-A-MacBook-or-MB-Air_W0QQitemZ200274496780QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item200274496780&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1307

compared to the 249.00 apple store price tag,are these legitimate???...
then im buying one right away!
Luis

> >
> > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare
> > protection plan
> > until one year after the purchase.
> >
> > --
> > Greetings from Sweden
> >
> > Per Boysen
> > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
> > www.looproom.com (international)
> > www.myspace.com/perboysen
> > www.stockholm-athens.com





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--YCalInvites=QMUfCWHQCVB1226771926-1-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 19:01:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3CAC3BE85; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=3PQDRoGcPALW4LwOhQvfaNESsjEs76u69IhATyKi2iY=; b=k8+agWP8K6JdAeSS50lWiKf25ehbgU0a1jPAA76sMr2R4kNPiCqbc5K3peRmWJsIuR hgKfQQqhIbZsIMqhfmmWv+OAZSv4z+uZuWOe4xg+qPrpPfV3VgxxJSw766bEuMUu903j dEx3tt4YaLgbA26nkK3boFF9XpA89yDpn8ASg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nkUOy6XvdN/H4KHWUrV7+SF/DCQ6AhO3dWY/j0nchSCQ87U6MGg1t6k+EF3GnbXCou blvjKg839VF5Zgz9TB4/RCytz9NR1ncYMyB+89n1JC9io10Vh1i5M8YUUUmiHP+xDuLk 2/nzvx+02PnQ2BVi5W6Omeza+u2EgL3chovAg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 21:01:05 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "Max S" Subject: OT? Academic looping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20978_24315417.1226775665297" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20978_24315417.1226775665297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Having got rather distracted in the conceptual imagery of loops in language, science and art i seem to be discovering more and more really interesting writing on the topic. I found this journal, who did a entire issue around the theme of the loop. its got contributions from many fields incorporating the notion of the loop in the content and a very nice paper on the loop in electronic music Hope i dont distract to much from the doing of looping. for those who are interested in some reading, but still keeping it loopy...check this out. VOL 5 http://journal.media-culture.org.au/journal/past_vol_5.php ------=_Part_20978_24315417.1226775665297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Having got rather distracted in the conceptual imagery of loops in language, science and art i seem to be discovering more and more really interesting writing on the topic.

I found this journal, who did a entire issue around the theme of the loop. its got contributions from many fields incorporating the notion of the loop in the content and a very nice paper on the loop in electronic music

Hope i dont distract to much from the doing of looping. 

for those who are interested in some reading, but still keeping it loopy...check this out. VOL 5


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--0-1939933293-1226785168=:7816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:10:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9733BE8B; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:12:26 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-reply-to: <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:10:02 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > > Yes, but what IS Art? Manipulation. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:10:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032D93BE8D; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:13:17 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-reply-to: <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <10F29973-C125-4A1A-97A5-8466E12C2752@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:10:36 +0000 (UTC) > I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. He > thinks he's a fucking genius. I laughed my ass off at this one. I'm not sure if you intended it to be funny, but I sure thought it was. Thanks. :) Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:19:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CEA53BE85; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vGplYmHbsOpJU88SIEwA:9 a=dDr_bt2u5e9rjt5AGPjeKcZHgy4A:4 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <10F29973-C125-4A1A-97A5-8466E12C2752@midway.uchicago.edu> References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> <10F29973-C125-4A1A-97A5-8466E12C2752@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85F904E8-AAE2-4053-85F2-70E42016D340@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:19:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I meant it to be ridiculous. On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:13 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > >> I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. He >> thinks he's a fucking genius. > > I laughed my ass off at this one. I'm not sure if you intended it > to be funny, but I sure thought it was. Thanks. :) > > Jeff > >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:20:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 557FE3BE85; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Z2EhoteJqpouIK_aMOsA:9 a=sgievPMfxBPUd9vvMumrlbNz7JYA:4 a=RMBU5szJeCoA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <3fa302e30811051818q2e5f13c5tb81dcaac24611eec@mail.gmail.com> <476c724a889ef0aa3bdd2cac6305f5d0@charter.net> <49126216.8030407@mhorse.com> <4912B159.5050506@tiscali.co.uk> <49131946.7010800@mhorse.com> <005b01c9402d$4e563bb0$0601a8c0@Studio> <101191640811061049t6e7ede43k5fd832f74e8f2f82@mail.gmail.com> <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: What's experimental? Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 17:20:20 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <7gL3eD.A.8EF.qs0HJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Same with this. On Nov 15, 2008, at 5:12 PM, Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Nov 15, 2008, at 3:34 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> >> Yes, but what IS Art? > > Manipulation. > > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:28:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 081D53BE8E; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=LfX36o/N4FuL+FovXIigHApMqp1iTH+rEhY1wH7IlLs=; b=YjOtI3ufQD7VoROPYEHDyNH5yhjCljd6g1dbDUM0CmxzqN8Jwo1IqykVxctylJxTNA 3SOGTxJAKyrnV2gf2Va80IEOUqSFAlJ/N1neAQiX4j7kLVfLSpVWyyEMSgFAnvu5Si9Y J2eOqwFjr+X/TWZryj9UhK27Y3ujIgtN3WpVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=vkI+jdY5cgjzJcNb+TQ+HrHKufTEyndMO87iBE2YS+gjcVfutcZr1cyZRrx2BSDWMP gbFOXN0eM7HtlUFEHf7yWk9EWOOyKlEZ7b0pd2e1cRgM7E9bFpzP5Jc9ilg4L+D6Qoq/ 3MWZEjjWEqIQ6TUJXDXWn89yuJKCox5K6tNss= Message-ID: <491F4CFD.7040100@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:28:13 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: QUESTIONS ANOUT LOW-FI DIGITAL VIDEO CAMS References: <005f01c94213$6160de80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <005f01c94213$6160de80$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: <6DEA9C.A.WdF.B00HJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Duke schrieb: > Then I could be a Hi Def lofi video guy! Or would that be lo fi HI def? > Nevermind... Lo deaf Hifi of course... -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:36:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 942733BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=a6GEUTKoFMoZkRwpw0n6Y5ts4q3L0cATYXLdd4HPGaE=; b=atGfZfoOBjpszJc5YEza5A0u5Kmu94/40THB8j3nKeotSFcqGhXIIlJaTBY+Zc/lEZ wfQAm1spOlnLGxZBEfxeJ3keMNbBc+0tgemInvlBUDlCKkAGhMXWt2GZQ9BUenU0r/ij A/795srq+lQbSykO3I0CX/ogrrMqQPqbmwpUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=rufVEiRIBjiAjtr5QkP71Vh0gEtkIhaPgqy56LYm7bdk3Wchvhqgjq70afkWOSYn2t owDhlR/GZXFYnRdA2l9Q3c3c5vCD8RN4P5i3BCOYIh1Dervn/hZ5rNoZcQ/48eEZ8qhc p8EeXwD0K1P4VWYykwf79SR0Nx4t/m0euZvzg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811151436i52ccf598q1b9067b84a445191@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:36:23 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:36:25 +0000 (UTC) >> Yes, but what IS Art? Controlled madness. The aim of art is to define certain specific variables of the perceived reality and give them new priorities to the beholder. If you think about it, that is what paranoia and schizophrenia does to us. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 15 22:54:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D34B3BE8C; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=rB/k7Gy8dD3eP5Nn952stZvsFBzc5tJinhPIfpbLqhg=; b=VJeFRrOPMNZfS04/KLVsd2XnLGUjA7pjVtf4pgs8KhvDAvVzvMa3biljlJHUxAPvAU EPC/dSlDWtHXzxcqs+McoYDv3cmn5pUubjMkQHkl+H7imJc4n1WnL7XyPNC13P6fhHn1 Q9HmRFckgyfn7rQDfzHf4Gekn/Xy28Rmucku8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=m4xbwZmS6qvCSqd8NJ/6boqHA3dhA0/mV9UVjSvPNPxO9QUDcnz/lRizJvFhDoju1A 8KXcRFN6AqkyivxQ6tl/jGuFG1oqCTjrnKUUWb/xe3Az/neBk1n3YnSM/TpMynK49zKO P4Axtl/U4U8h/PC5sM0d8tVhqd29XsRNo1GmM= Message-ID: <491F5314.9000207@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:54:12 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: check out the KBow! References: <66f9cc1e0811091330n5656ddb9ua5850a47beca417@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811091330n5656ddb9ua5850a47beca417@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 8:57 PM, info at zoekeating > wrote: > >> Watch the 2nd video on this page, of Janos Negyesy using the KBow >> to loop. http://www.keithmcmillen.com/ > > It seems to trig accurately. Yes he is using the gesture with the bow as a slow $4000 switch. I guess a footswitch would be more accurate... > But the video demonstrations of Filter Sweeps was a bit odd. Did > anyone understand that one? I really couldn't make out in what way he > did play the filter sweeps? Musically it sounds more as if he is not > controlling the filter sweeps at all, from what I could tell by > watching his moves on the instrument. He probably was controlling it indirectly. But as the movements of the bow are bound to the way he is playing, there is no independent control. Also in this case a footpedal would deliver more control than that technically sophisticated toy... I've seen work like that at IRCAM. They controll physical models with bow sensors. I think it would only be interesting for this kind of stuff. But that requires quite a bit of knowledge to implement it in an interesting way... > doc rossi to Loopers-Delight >> Now if we could just get something like that worked out for a >> flatpick... doc rossi schrieb: > Now if we could just get something like that worked out for a > flatpick... Years ago I got a computer game with a pick. It had a cable attached to the pick which would go into a serial port of a PC. I never got to use it though... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 02:10:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 474053BE85; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:10:19 -0400 (AST) Subject: Mac Purchase From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and bidule and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1226786188&sr=1-1 Thanks, Andre Andre Donawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 02:37:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747F63BE8D; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:37:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_51c8a3c4-9601-4ed1-912d-3f86b4ce6a62_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #886 Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:37:13 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Nov 2008 02:37:13.0237 (UTC) FILETIME=[3B4C7C50:01C94794] Resent-Message-ID: <8VuEv.A.ZtD.ad4HJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 02:37:14 +0000 (UTC) --_51c8a3c4-9601-4ed1-912d-3f86b4ce6a62_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 "So =2C I am of the opinion that when working in a spontaneous/improvised fashion=2C most musicians cannot consciously think and compose in both time and frequency domain at the same time" I think this is only true of musicians whose training/culture are steepe= d in this sort of=20 Cartesianism. 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   I think this is only true of musicians whose training/culture are st=
eeped in this sort of 
   Cartesianism. But for those who's 
   epist=
eme doesn't require that seperation =2Cit's a nonissue. I dont beleive anyo=
ne could play Classical Indian Tabla
   and not deal with both rhythmic =
and melodic composition=2C in realtime .That's the very nature of the music=
 =2Cand the instrument.







<= br>

= --_51c8a3c4-9601-4ed1-912d-3f86b4ce6a62_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 03:37:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4F223BE8B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:37:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=L0FyI+EUr17Fe63QuBx5ESogo4Cpfd6i70dD9na8uJk=; b=ZGDcb4ZdGI7oPcdPiVNrEm7OaNn/w76h0OkPcRUTpjnEQ2VTwibXb7kxUaBLthUN9g NRq635tqkQUbg372R+k+ATE/DXi6BH5yAMPjpDiRICtdWET99i8RQfzQ/HmLkq8wQauO KOxZYnxffQThk7+4FDMT1f3YlrplKcHvsUDSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=SepAm2xtUNTG/VftF+aTUMeSnUwhxocR5d9ebE9d3J6y6KTeZCSvlMHVnolS4Aec85 sN81pbIa+VGUjvmS+rT7WrsYsmzh1Umto/OGw2NIMm1Ety6ZA9oH7pBo8EWeIhbvChhB HhSPT8J0/s93qfDlHPOVDxmEdhZuRYqNBCT14= Message-ID: <491F9570.1030705@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:37:20 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:37:23 +0000 (UTC) George Ludwig schrieb: > Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day > and record it. Whenever I record myself, I face the problem that I never listen to the recording, it seems a waste of time compared to improvising instead... > BTW, I don't believe that "not repeating yourself" is always a good > thing. Not not repeating yourself seems to be the essence of looping then I guess... ;-) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 04:02:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BE143BE8C; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=CH/sEfBN3DRuttRAwxu4Ngw+QhlaR1MbAs5Jma8lNx1VhTcbbNdGKRtD3/t3Ev9t1Jp/JThkTDJvk0+sMv9ud2/FxDQLoojF+Ya26EML2ixL6GnIo0Gp22pDAccEFqitO22/esTv2VLNh+v6tUcxtFDxMTYjqzm7KDorkg6mqNA=; X-YMail-OSG: 2HXTWXkVM1kQHMqq4Xy1dPZWnTqMPKGl9NGTEzPnxzX8VyEY39iyCtQFbgxlCb6LWJ4wypXjOW2VhMQ9el4oFFRy5Ztg5BO1Mw5BzKJw8sRkCjtxLMIznGtoBnYId92p.L8YcVyh36J2OC0bTxK10ibgkpqZeObo.OGmnUgsdVMCzfeZOya_4o.uF1g- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <491F9570.1030705@googlemail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: What's experimental? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <556055.96253.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Finding time to listen to what you record is key. It's tough, but it pays off. It is very much NOT a waste of time! If you never listen to yourself, it's very difficult to critique your self well. And if you can't critique yourself properly, you may be repeating things that you don't actually like, without realizing it. And you may not, in general, be playing as well as you think you are. That was my revelation, in any event. ----- Original Message ---- From: Stefan Tiedje To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:37:20 PM Subject: Re: What's experimental? George Ludwig schrieb: > Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day > and record it. Whenever I record myself, I face the problem that I never listen to the recording, it seems a waste of time compared to improvising instead... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 04:04:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB9233BE8B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=bDMsjE1Dn6j+2cE3l3QhkUDhMEi7+eElHoXTZTA5D+M1KyIBOS1LrBut6b/m21Vgtrtxy0+jK5Y7hlR3HZLGLPLnE/HWcJYndHHedz8EkBF+Fnatc/aOc9fGo06nW66xMe0S2cVNjllhF9CFZ4G9wwx/NCVVq7YIgVFrXIdm5uY=; X-YMail-OSG: d7aRrPUVM1njUE_OaKd5w9zWL0ywmcyZoXmeSgFUpyL_XNcP2siBHUydq0HwweigSxaidn4PCJtbkmgs08lU5x6WlMtLSbDxFJ56uPtmA2CsJcHTooTX.gbChCpcSlPQWnpzaDhdafvgJiI0XRueQd5IDEPBKpLLuUiHyuY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:04:45 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-219942274-1226808285=:19319" Message-ID: <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:04:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-219942274-1226808285=:19319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back. I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions? -George --0-219942274-1226808285=:19319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back.

I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions?

-George

--0-219942274-1226808285=:19319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 04:57:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4D13BE7E; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:57:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=8wyJktLZ8BJpHYIYqPNmFBhDYT+3qnWb9ReR/Yl1sHQ=; b=ocQcHekO/LRLKPqIfh4cso1tBVJUB8KAcQ5HO6/noJPOTHgcLQML0e+Xz/irkMLGWI UDDetnZID7VG/JThMtQKefvb0t427m+ipYGAz1SIdDiilBCUhEtx0Nu0PGiuSKuegATE O/S2cr4zxDepSH2xLXCkM5FvLSxKsGH5teunI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=rs82WMN2XG0PQOBZjVCcy/MVFMZHAHiGjzy1aQr53m3bnHN9F8LImr2LPIL9yzm0mQ I6RdPiHrnmlsGuhcn0dXLoDa7k3ZrIDaNf9m1MQnG/HDBdnxwY3y1XVqzl8WNTOXaLjF K8U27jry49nqGfGAHngf/WvILi75Q8g/WwICE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:50:21 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Purchase In-Reply-To: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c787a33b8ca9b65e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:57:01 +0000 (UTC) I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so for not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. -Nick On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa wro= te: > Hi, > > I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and bidule > and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. > > Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. > > http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890= A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1 > > > Thanks, > > Andre > > Andre Donawa > > > http://www.andredonawa.com > http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 06:43:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 691E13BE87; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:43:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i9J2LuK6YeoaBKrDAw8WOoW6cqxZMWoKtsYnc4CK2Nk=; b=v16oMBjKEWmBcaywJeUXrtshqNaAoxGxsVLnWadyXBrqpo9t2k4eNz2+vrWDrqHsvL 4VQGItIAN0qJf/mJpSkSXnRb58YxgDs7UdoPEPwcuZZIaGWcT2zumwo882+lX//NQhyS f3PPH35PhxRu4sslzf3UBTCBHG6DVGG2fB7A8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nk2nhlIaNWgKUfzL5xA2pdWhv7M+JYwEqfVzuvdlTJzBc+VcsXYR/VoPk5CUks1QQI F9vSOHLY0p7FTfCttdA2+3t3v9fiqR064gb72FmYV7INi6+NAHEMxqUE4i4Isoezq1ld 0DbeDsXRXvokO3qjYBLTX2cn749pL6Jja2V6g= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:43:46 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? In-Reply-To: <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25691_14065579.1226817826535" References: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:43:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25691_14065579.1226817826535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely rebuild it. Or, you can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I found that just makes everything quieter. TH On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a > f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and > cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back. > > I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions? > > -George > > ------=_Part_25691_14065579.1226817826535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely rebuild it.  Or, you can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I found that just makes everything quieter.

TH

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back.

I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions?

-George


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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <_2dEAD.A.HiG.V2_HJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:01:41 +0000 (UTC) I never updated my EDP to LOOP IV. 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Office: +44 703 189 6562 E-mail: frankobeya@lawyer.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 14:38:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 138153BE7B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=zM5s8jnGmzhxNtR1WIMX9GQ51tOqEPZIwbyn9Qogc9E=; b=gc9GhFmTEzSCSAHmjtZVUghdL88DB3LRYcTHkUwgJDQmi+DYxhBzphKDhw+EZd0oMJ 7MOS/Hk02tFnOIE+DyrUtNOX1tYk9Ny2Lt9STmDNbCJwOpdf/LZ0w9tjuc7PTlen4wyc /kOZico67AHHAennzeLUCUKmWFUMxps78oNTU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=eK2ThDNc5FSgqqtGCKDVmTU74LSmJPlAjbAFiVxhuGNxeDTTy3VYMb0g2JqXUvlCnI PZwEjJBfqVZRQSAGpU6cctj7Lha20DFVRuJIHFfgxL8aHZ7wp88+Gl2DqMxZFV5FVh+o H9xcHFtx9SJkXsVWRJvumDkggzSW23ECONWw0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:38:13 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8174_5145521.1226846293848" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:38:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8174_5145521.1226846293848 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Uhm ... I _was_ gonna stay on the sidelines of this discussion, but Stefan's comment's prompt me to chime in. Improvisation does not mean "without form" ... in fact, since Bach's name (and I will bravely assume that we are referring to Johann Sebastian at this point) has been invoked as the exemplar of "counterpoint", I'd like to remind some folks that old JS was noted IN HIS TIME for his ... wait for it ... IMPROVISATION! Yes, that's right, Bach's "Musical Offering" was actually the setting down of what had been an improvisational challenge issued to Bach by Frederick the Great. (For more background on the history of this, try here... scroll down a bit ... http://www.berkshirefinearts.com/?page=article&article_id=350&catID=8 ) The point of musical training and all that practice is not to make you an expert at counterpoint or harmony (hopefully it will do that as well), but to provide you with the skill to USE the skills in performance, i.e., you must learn the rules first so that you can forget them. The intellectual skills entailed are for the muscles of the brain ... as we train the muscles of our hands, feet, mouth, arms and legs to perform on our instruments, those parts of our brain that we use for creating music must also develop an equivalent " muscle memory". Pete Townsend is alleged to have said something to the effect that you don't have to be stupid to listen to rock and roll. While open to interpretation, I believe he was saying that intellect is NOT an impediment to the appreciation of popular music. By the same token, form is not an impediment to improvisation and I think some of us spend way too much time agonizing over it instead of getting on with playing, performing, and yes, instant composing. Sorry for the rant on a warm November Sunday morning here in New England, but I'm in the midst of my annual participation in the National Solo Album Month and there seems to be more than the usual amount of whining going on about "how do you manage to do an album in 30 days?" ... JUST DO IT! (and edit in repose ... ) Best to all, Dennis On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Stefan Smulovitz wrote: > I don't think anyone listening to my music would hear Bach, counterpoint or > theme and variations, but I am aware of these ideas and use them in my own > very loose ways. I'm not proposing imposing strict form on improvisation, > but an awareness of form and how it can create new ideas. This then adds > richness to the tools you use while improvising. Counterpoint does not need > to be the formal system used by Bach - it can just means you are thinking of > something that works counter to what is currently happening. Theme and > variations can mean playing a phrase and then morphing the phrase in > different ways. > > If you listen to Ursonate (http://www.ubu.com/sound/blonk.html) its a very > very long ways from Bach - but uses the ideas of form in a fantastic way. > Without the form it would just be a jumble of nonsense - there is no way > that it could sustain your interest for the length of time that it does. > > I also love chaos and noise. These can be used within the context of a > greater sense of form as well though and made more powerful for it. > > Stefan > > http://www.myspace.com/stefansmulovitz > http://www.kenaxis.com/ > > > > Raul Bonell wrote: >> >> i usually approach things on the contrary way. >> it works better for me.no counterpoint. no theme, neither variations. >> even no bach at all. i had enough while studying piano. >> >> raul. >> >> > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8174_5145521.1226846293848 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Uhm ... I _was_ gonna stay on the sidelines of this discussion, but Stefan's comment's prompt me to chime in.

Improvisation does not mean "without form" ... in fact, since Bach's name (and I will bravely assume that we are referring to Johann Sebastian at this point) has been invoked as the exemplar of "counterpoint", I'd like to remind some folks that old JS was noted IN HIS TIME for his ... wait for it ... IMPROVISATION!

Yes, that's right, Bach's "Musical Offering" was actually the setting down of what had been an improvisational challenge issued to Bach by Frederick the Great. (For more background on the history of this, try here... scroll down a bit ... http://www.berkshirefinearts.com/?page=article&article_id=350&catID=8 )

The point of musical training and all that practice is not to make you an expert at counterpoint or harmony (hopefully it will do that as well), but to provide you with the skill to USE the skills in performance, i.e., you must learn the rules first so that you can forget them. The intellectual skills entailed are for the muscles of the brain ... as we train the muscles of our hands, feet, mouth, arms and legs to perform on our instruments, those parts of our brain that we use for creating music must also develop an equivalent " muscle memory".

Pete Townsend is alleged to have said something to the effect that you don't have to be stupid to listen to rock and roll. While open to interpretation, I believe he was saying that intellect is NOT an impediment to the appreciation of popular music. By the same token, form is not an impediment to improvisation and I think some of us spend way too much time agonizing over it instead of getting on with playing, performing, and yes, instant composing.

Sorry for the rant on a warm November Sunday morning here in New England, but I'm in the midst of my annual participation in the National Solo Album Month and there seems to be more than the usual amount of whining going on about "how do you manage to do an album in 30 days?" ... JUST DO IT! (and edit in repose ... )

Best to all,

Dennis

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Stefan Smulovitz <stefan@kenaxis.com> wrote:
I don't think anyone listening to my music would hear Bach, counterpoint or theme and variations, but I am aware of these ideas and use them in my own very loose ways. I'm not proposing imposing strict form on improvisation, but an awareness of form and how it can create new ideas. This then adds richness to the tools you use while improvising. Counterpoint does not need to be the formal system used by Bach - it can just means you are thinking of something that works counter to what is currently happening. Theme and variations can mean playing a phrase and then morphing the phrase in different ways.

If you listen to Ursonate (http://www.ubu.com/sound/blonk.html) its a very very long ways from Bach - but uses the ideas of form in a fantastic way. Without the form it would just be a jumble of nonsense - there is no way that it could sustain your interest for the length of time that it does.

I also love chaos and noise. These can be used within the context of a greater sense of form as well though and made more powerful for it.

Stefan

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http://www.kenaxis.com/



Raul Bonell wrote:

i usually approach things on the contrary way.
it works better for me.no counterpoint. no theme, neither variations.
even no bach at all. i had enough while studying piano.

raul.





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------=_Part_8174_5145521.1226846293848-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 14:43:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 670AF3BE7E; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=FBEat+Ftrzc7Tc7TggLgaXF6355Se+kUktV8jVeJSyk=; b=LM5a3hHcslkuJ0bfC0OwJzpt5YVcgv3D1UtMMjTRwYjnyw0TLquYWPIv09V6sz1it8 UNSvtVWPWPuzygKfAU2gLrQknQ43qjj4qcPoyDVeWMpto3GV3MWcRs9+OzGvkWfHoOdZ 4omL/L043y5dMAo9BuS2dtVgFXp1wadf90QSQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=RgPIdazxbAdijEIrythbHNFdMsPXK0dvwFMI2iPKS8KLS6S+hq5eUF55vSYcBO9ah6 4pwe0FeVldbeEMna30TUOZ7WvwL6L5OdhhtnIHoS3T00xoIpyoU6VWn0PZlGwFHTuKoN wcZCX0hOZa+fCsMWt2kGaXdNKlyQNcQnyfIyw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:43:50 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yup, I'm that guy! In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26577_32182255.1226846630939" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:43:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26577_32182255.1226846630939 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, via their website. TH On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > I never updated my EDP to LOOP IV. Is Aurisis still selling the upgrade? > > -J > jefflomas.com > > ------=_Part_26577_32182255.1226846630939 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yes, via their website.

TH

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> wrote:
I never updated my EDP to LOOP IV.  Is Aurisis still selling the upgrade?

-J
jefflomas.com


------=_Part_26577_32182255.1226846630939-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 14:47:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8960E3BE7C; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:47:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8o8sdzUZ0ZYjE+BI7zxdzAleGM2FCyMCj7J4bq8Sl3E=; b=BOsZ1s6Ir3wG4v9mejOO0nUZ91viFsMS/lFFEcmsk+9UQZFHMM3/oCi5GjuDlqTlqD Ml/Oe/ATifgKz6qnvU6yO0ietqVZo9hgJAcbgD9FdWGPqyDhC9DKAg2PrAkV8uRQw4g1 Qx65WGIY38wNGRu7g22377uKeT/w52DB746Tw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=EY0LzSP4UnTGC5qvvyE68qcHfSlL1qs5uupusNSXfmw6j0YiScFzA8GA3Dj8vWWqFS jQymeqx+FxJQc5u2ZqKI7/P2D65fYAF3g+RWCgTsb1W7vterjTlnol30/pD9KkmP/u/i Nb7AECH0vOcZR8K1xBdDd38TQB5240ryItVFM= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:47:11 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <20081115043901.86CBC3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8179_9999320.1226846831853" References: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> <20081115043901.86CBC3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:47:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8179_9999320.1226846831853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random. Ta! Dennis On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > To experience rehearsed rhythmic randomness, listen to any of Captain > Beefheart and the Magic Band's middle period, i.e. Lick My Decals Off Baby, > Trout Mask Replica, or Spotlight Kid. While these sound random to many > ears, the band rehearsed those grooves and reproduced them live. > Frequently > there is a 4-beat pulse underneath, but not always. > > Plus, to my joy, they extrapolated the blues out a long way... > > dave > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > I'm afraid I don't understand that question. Who says he likes > > rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness can never swing. > > NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! ;-)) > > Oh, yes - I can imagine that phenomenon! It occurs when a drunk guy > falls all over a drum kit. THAT is true rhythmic randomness! > > per > > > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8179_9999320.1226846831853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random.

Ta!

Dennis

On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Dave Gallaher <micdave@hiwaay.net> wrote:
To experience rehearsed rhythmic randomness, listen to any of Captain
Beefheart and the Magic Band's middle period, i.e. Lick My Decals Off Baby,
Trout Mask Replica, or Spotlight Kid.  While these sound random to many
ears, the band rehearsed those grooves and reproduced them live.  Frequently
there is a 4-beat pulse underneath, but not always.

Plus, to my joy, they extrapolated the blues out a long way...

dave


On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm afraid I don't understand that question.  Who says he likes
> rhythmic randomness? I doubt any one does. Randomness can never swing.
> NOr groove. I just can't imagine that phenomenon! ;-))

Oh, yes - I can imagine that phenomenon! It occurs when a drunk guy
falls all over a drum kit. THAT is true rhythmic randomness!

per






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------=_Part_8179_9999320.1226846831853-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 14:48:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 525BA3BE7E; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0HMua8ez1gUwQcgn0SVRQvJ6XhQV9L4kKw8niHzQhjg=; b=QdQLIIYeFud2R2d8nNFP64qL8EwvldpmmpnJWU/3gbawONsG9MHn8g5VzRmfO2qomH DCpBy8MpFzDO7BkZJYjao5n7RRHTL3DKqXEImZEg2mgnNk4scHjoIsIyjz9gWNRGokCE hUDMoH2ebfP/vOQbw2pw3BOlA9H9eOnnJ6PZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=r/ps+/d+rO/RCHAlK4Z3xD4l3IqUNgMw7c53Srjgf6r/+LoKq3d/ComqE8PB2fs7aq BL2ZkPNIDKUZ9lH7FKQMkoVcQ/Bdr+LUGrUcmipXmvo0lN+py2i0PsGO+1r4+0BytCm1 QhU7VVoUWgphVRhA4YawsvmLoPaqJO2H4yjiY= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:48:27 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26604_8537723.1226846907844" References: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> <20081115043901.86CBC3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1l2dnD.A.JRD.9KDIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:48:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26604_8537723.1226846907844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, it's just not "unique" at that point. If it happens in a predictable pattern, then it's not random. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random. > > Ta! > > Dennis > > > ------=_Part_26604_8537723.1226846907844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline No, it's just not "unique" at that point. 

If it happens in a predictable pattern, then it's not random.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random.

Ta!

Dennis



------=_Part_26604_8537723.1226846907844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 15:05:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9F53BE7E; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=pZBB8gSgaGcQVHS1pLTmUXQvC4OMO3JB3bZEW91txnE=; b=wa83/eCW9tQEvxrSjLmkHqu6XPctsu4U7rv1MTn3ZaBvH4W3oJCrOD173a6wJL6nXe PR2yiPbHgP+0p7EVUFnvOlggCZKTeGC+M7ImFIAEP2qsz8CMtQN1wsEOzKjl+1hqQ1WC wSd9MNGN20njUbZa9uWw5VMZ52E+q46bghG6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AwzJoBeS9jBQ/aCbYNW2KAoHzcSVKjdg0u8IsVTw1QoVhnyyNtoXRQ3SrzGK2gRLfy Y7VoGh9V7tdPxXjRzMipnX4OJgIcrccoTbCDGM9OwqXplelBvwn2OTOpRJonKt5mprWE cg50/4r7DG0GWDrmZsAwHukY8w0MvnuotDHqo= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:05:02 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <556055.96253.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8189_26008856.1226847902749" References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <491F9570.1030705@googlemail.com> <556055.96253.qm@web50311.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:05:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8189_26008856.1226847902749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very well put, George ... it may seem a luxury, but if we are to grow we must invest that time in ourselves. Dennis On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > Finding time to listen to what you record is key. It's tough, but it pays > off. It is very much NOT a waste of time! > > If you never listen to yourself, it's very difficult to critique your self > well. And if you can't critique yourself properly, you may be repeating > things that you don't actually like, without realizing it. And you may not, > in general, be playing as well as you think you are. > > That was my revelation, in any event. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Stefan Tiedje > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:37:20 PM > Subject: Re: What's experimental? > > George Ludwig schrieb: > > Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day > > and record it. > > Whenever I record myself, I face the problem that I never listen to the > recording, it seems a waste of time compared to improvising instead... > > > > > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8189_26008856.1226847902749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Very well put, George ... it may seem a luxury, but if we are to grow we must invest that time in ourselves.

Dennis

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:02 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
Finding time to listen to what you record is key. It's tough, but it pays off. It is very much NOT a waste of time!

If you never listen to yourself, it's very difficult to critique your self well. And if you can't critique yourself properly, you may be repeating things that you don't actually like, without realizing it. And you may not, in general, be playing as well as you think you are.

That was my revelation, in any event.



----- Original Message ----
From: Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 7:37:20 PM
Subject: Re: What's experimental?

George Ludwig schrieb:
> Something I've found to be really helpful is to improvise every day
> and record it.

Whenever I record myself, I face the problem that I never listen to the recording, it seems a waste of time compared to improvising instead...








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------=_Part_8189_26008856.1226847902749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 15:19:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 954E33BE7F; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JZHG/4/eRx2xzr7gSU2t+rLLY54J7i957IprGfGjEes=; b=qnonGbST+g7o7//aBcM2c6OR5TSqspM6noy5ug0ZW+wgzV+msbI58pzpRN9ioSfXa+ sXzrE/YjPwbn133Qe+oKABKZWfNkBsHZ+bqAME7VS+KkV94apAity9smAhv5VMnaFUpp JgnLiS54hFphonpZTPdkBXuHXF1jDNdqkqSHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ko+EkwDl/6iihjQq3ljy/ODzRZvr7+supa5SaxhFckPZAUWk7G0gY489fyCBAJn1ib 42Dxsf0huChw4iDuxWhxYPlsfCdEmlVIRWPHndhSsWJofgiPXLsUEi+4U1BxnFRhssiR st+12VNqTcMK/BAPNFeU/rf068ae4P/p2ayow= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:19:17 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8205_9965352.1226848757201" References: <66f9cc1e0811141548q1586fecbpedb0a857818bccd4@mail.gmail.com> <20081115043901.86CBC3BE7E@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:19:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8205_9965352.1226848757201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, Travis, we're both saying the same thing: random=non-predictable=non-repeating ... once it's looped, it isn't random ... though you "could" randomly use the loop! Dennis On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > No, it's just not "unique" at that point. > > If it happens in a predictable pattern, then it's not random. > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > >> If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random. >> >> Ta! >> >> Dennis >> >> >> > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_8205_9965352.1226848757201 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, Travis, we're both saying the same thing: random=non-predictable=non-repeating ... once it's looped, it isn't random ... though you "could" randomly use the loop!

Dennis

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
No, it's just not "unique" at that point. 

If it happens in a predictable pattern, then it's not random.


On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:47 AM, Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
If it occurs more than once, it's no longer random.

Ta!

Dennis






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------=_Part_8205_9965352.1226848757201-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 16:35:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8873BE77; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 82912 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:45 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZPZkE2wkKqW6bvV9hC0PHc6wijINlbX6Uad6TMeThPE=; b=KRr7gAw6NyMkqPJWhMOYsU7tGRGUngDs+VkEkuaqPwQnz9vM+gtuosXwFgxwydAjIr YIhar5+IF88hujqHZHnowyvTJwbkpftIW+KEhmWsZX0iJPX6h0WNg88pgcOVlVj2Q9YP m5DGkxhwTbFwHCnGZuqeOSy2FX2hA+6+0iBbE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=onXXCBmRRTH1bs8QkOW/pS8MizROY6ix1bE4wiKhRqppJIjAaOsf3VvGIPT8Hvj7Nk BBf6DfpKL52rbsB3oGpCz1kURwxZqQzCn6VwXwm5b3npPKH7TQT7XROr4vb3TTfQtyFo SNIGqSraxSwAnddmIoj+rIIolA4oiNfetbLrQ= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811160835x26251270n87ab80ee93d02505@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 10:35:44 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_53211_10884631.1226853344909" References: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:35:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_53211_10884631.1226853344909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Goodrich...hilton if you have the cash. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely rebuild it. Or, you > can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I found that just makes > everything quieter. > > TH > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George Ludwig wrote: > >> My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a >> f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and >> cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back. >> >> I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions? >> >> -George >> >> > ------=_Part_53211_10884631.1226853344909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Goodrich...hilton if you have the cash.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:43 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely rebuild it.  Or, you can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I found that just makes everything quieter.

TH


On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com> wrote:
My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back.

I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions?

-George



------=_Part_53211_10884631.1226853344909-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 17:03:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CE7D3BE7F; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=3BGolWLY0clzLS7VxqMA:9 a=6mEluEzaNVGugR3JL9HpTQ9S62wA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Question for Looper Pedal users Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:03:04 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:03:07 +0000 (UTC) I am interested in getting a pedal to replace my laptop setup for some venues (i use that term very loosely) I play occasionally. I have a RC50, but since using SL with Live, I am spoiled by seemless loops without the nanosecond glitches at the start. Does either the Lexicon Jamman pedal or the Line 6 suffer the same flaw? Are there any other pedals that I should consider? The Boss stuff will work, but I can't deal with that hiccup at the start of loops anymore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 17:27:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177233BE7B; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:27:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226856477; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=7By/wUPM0GOZ128+ijP54A4lD9w=; b=N7UCZRMf6trF85mirkCGaUMicoZ8IKQt+tyhqAck+sp4CI3hV7NQFa1eGuQTd9MX 9M5Q8bhp+znvnRhWjxYI7looLVek74Cc75leMNi1AoIHUiPmmFCfsW99jkSIcZde; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I66OJ6EYC-wA:10 a=aCjhT5GwpIkA:10 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=FSr2MRCJgvTFMzqTACUA:9 a=y5bS2l8eiCix40baOxkA:7 a=QI3Bdd90dXmsB_rEYIx8-9woR0kA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=wEkmv1m8gC7Q7f1NxSUA:9 a=v0oXozZM9Al2Uh8_22AA:7 a=q_wGFn8rAkUaeCLGS8E7ELkU6I8A:4 a=gMKWpENioZQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001a01c94810$aa5dcb40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <20081115222026.EE6E03BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:27:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C947E6.C0FB13A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:27:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C947E6.C0FB13A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I loved my Morley optical wah/volume but it died like all do eventually. = It was a long time ago and it seems I tried to get it fixed, but... crs = kicks in here. I now use an Ernie Ball jr and love it. I like the switch on the inside = of Ernies that go between two different sweeps. audio vs linear? Anyway I prefer the more even taper rather than the one = where most of the action is at the end of the pedal travel. thats switch = down on mine. jd ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Travis Hartnett=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 1:43 AM Subject: Re: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely rebuild it. Or, = you can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I found that just = makes everything quieter. TH On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George Ludwig = wrote: My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten = noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed = pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has = come back. I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any = suggestions? -George -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1792 - Release Date: = 11/16/2008 10:04 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C947E6.C0FB13A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I loved my Morley optical wah/volume = but it died=20 like all do eventually. It was a long time ago and it seems I tried to = get it=20 fixed, but... crs kicks in here.
 
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audio vs linear? Anyway I prefer the = more even=20 taper rather than the one where most of the action is at the end of = the=20 pedal travel. thats switch down on mine.
 
jd
 
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Subject: Re: tengential: need a = new=20 volume pedal...which one?

You can send your pedal back to EB who'll completely = rebuild=20 it.  Or, you can try a Visual Volume--the only volume pedal I = found that=20 just makes everything quieter.

TH

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 8:04 PM, George = Ludwig <sfmissionman@yahoo.com>=20 wrote:
My=20 trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy = a f*ck.=20 I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and = cleaned it,=20 and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come = back.

I'm=20 intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any=20 = suggestions?

-George



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------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C947E6.C0FB13A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 17:51:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC71C3BE78; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'George Ludwig'" , References: <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: <67D70C93A8274EEAB7B72C1AB2877BDE@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003A_01C947D0.DBDCA550" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclIEnzBWl4gGZHzRFOWIUYGG0afagAAJdrw In-Reply-To: <770110.19319.qm@web50305.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C947D0.DBDCA550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe EB still has a rebuild service where they will completely refurbish your pedal, even replacing the friction pad on the top of the pedal for $50 plus freight. I have used an EBJR for about 6 years now which is slightly smaller than the originals but just as rugged. Bad news: all of their pedals are made off shore now. I've never liked the Morley's as much because of the throw of the pedal tends to make me feel like I'm tipping forward, but they are well made and the optical volume is a good design. I'd re do my old pedal and save some landfill :-) Bill _____ From: George Ludwig [mailto:sfmissionman@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: tengential: need a new volume pedal...which one? My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back. I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any suggestions? -George ------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C947D0.DBDCA550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe EB still has a rebuild = service where they will completely refurbish your pedal, even replacing the = friction pad on the top of the pedal  for $50 plus freight. I have used an = EBJR for about 6 years now which is slightly smaller than the originals but just = as rugged. Bad news: all of their pedals are made off shore now. I’ve = never liked the Morley’s as much because of the throw of the pedal =  tends to make me feel like I’m tipping forward, but they are well made = and the optical volume is a good design. I’d re do my old pedal and save some = landfill J

Bill

 

From: = George Ludwig [mailto:sfmissionman@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, November = 15, 2008 8:05 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: tengential: need = a new volume pedal...which one?

 

My trusty Ernie Ball pedal that I've had for centuries has = gotten noisy a f*ck. I took it apart some time ago and pried open the sealed pot and = cleaned it, and that helped for a year or two. But the noise has come back.

I'm intrigued by the optical volume pedal by Morley. Any = suggestions?

-George

 

------=_NextPart_000_003A_01C947D0.DBDCA550-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 19:03:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27C3B3BE7F; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:03:07 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: Mac Purchase From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Nic, Think I'll go for the white macbook pro. Andre http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa> On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote: > I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so for > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. > > -Nick > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, André Donawa > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and bidule >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. >> >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1226786188&sr=1-1 >> > >> Thanks, >> >> Andre >> >> Andre Donawa >> >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 20:15:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 462213BE7E; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Fe7bHgyn6IXSwy8URz9GE0NGmDGP9FpuZE46aE9CmNo=; b=rAx9hQfx2lSULvEG6zJw0/kzq5LyebS0aL2Kg/k5Wo4hhYIC1+gPlAuWsLVOhMwnWN Ogc1oJXnucQ0bIXwaOFboaNIg+8nGyk3lEFA3HHOwXAQo6bFpyVAie01mHSwadQesaP3 3RK9aDOx2blu/chLiMQFG3LZf2D/Ewy+VQo1Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=qBnErzVIhtZ4x1vV/TV515xAhR/xpBWktxByYj5OYGBzIkm3PoiHopeps8EW7VKrGn +iliaueREZOdL6VqLTarjkyHHF0pypMzI9cKDUY6sQcP+vuej7dvi7gx/qgxAwY80GeK g2thut4gAATYnjr8eMVjoDIiRfLQ8pDiTotmw= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811161215w69912737v19ad979af0f4090d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:15:15 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Purchase In-Reply-To: <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_55409_33347100.1226866515638" References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:15:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_55409_33347100.1226866515638 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram and harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a littl= e bit faster. On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa wro= te: > Thanks Nic, > > Think I'll go for the white macbook pro. > > Andre > > http://www.andredonawa.com > http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa> > > On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote: > > I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are > > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case > > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some > > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so for > > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. > > > > -Nick > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and bidu= le > >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. > >> > >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. > >> > >> > http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890= A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1 > >> > > > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Andre > >> > >> Andre Donawa > >> > >> > >> http://www.andredonawa.com > >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_55409_33347100.1226866515638 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram and = harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a littl= e bit faster.

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:0= 3 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa <andre@andredonawa.com> wrote:
Thanks Nic,

Think I'll go for the white macbook pro.

Andre

http://www.andredo= nawa.com
http://cdba= by.com/all/andredonawa
http://www= .myspace.com/andredonawa>

On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50= am, Nick wrote:
> I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case
> instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are som= e
> amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so for<= br> > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine.
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa <andre@andredonawa.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software = and bidule
>> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop= .
>>
>> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently.
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-Mac= Book-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid= =3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1
>>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> Andre Donawa
>>
>>
>> http://ww= w.andredonawa.com
>> ht= tp://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa
>> h= ttp://www.myspace.com/andredonawa
>>
>>
>
>







------=_Part_55409_33347100.1226866515638-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 16 20:55:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 627523BE7C; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1569 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:55:36 UTC Message-ID: <002601c9482a$0fca1ce0$6400a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: A couple of looped flute pieces Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:29:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0022_01C9482A.0F067EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:55:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C9482A.0F067EC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0023_01C9482A.0F067EC0" ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C9482A.0F067EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, I'm glad to back on LD again after a little while off-list. I've posted up a couple of my flute loops on my myspace page http://www.myspace.com/ianpopperwell=20 the two looped pieces are "Ley flute loop" and "in town" They are both live flute loops just recorded with my flute with an SD = Systems flute mic going into a TL Audio Ivory 5051 and then into my DL4, = a little reverb from a tc M-One-XL. Interested in any comments. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_0023_01C9482A.0F067EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
Hi, I'm glad to back on LD again after a little while = off-list.
 
I've posted up a couple of my flute loops on my myspace page
 
http://www.myspace.com/ianp= opperwell=20
 
 
the two looped pieces are "Ley flute loop" and "in town"
 
They are both live flute loops just recorded with my flute with an = SD=20 Systems flute mic going into a TL Audio Ivory 5051 and then into my = DL4, a=20 little reverb from a tc M-One-XL. Interested in any comments.
 
Ian.
 

 

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Contact me offline, Thanks KalimbaMan. ------Original Message------ From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com ReplyTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Nov 16, 2008 12:03 PM Subject: Question for Looper Pedal users I am interested in getting a pedal to replace my laptop setup for some venues (i use that term very loosely) I play occasionally. I have a RC50, but since using SL with Live, I am spoiled by seemless loops without the nanosecond glitches at the start. Does either the Lexicon Jamman pedal or the Line 6 suffer the same flaw? Are there any other pedals that I should consider? The Boss stuff will work, but I can't deal with that hiccup at the start of loops anymore. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 04:59:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FFB73BE7C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=SkVDZK6LSKK36rJhhokcBgOG0C2rMVN0GlSRfc/74S8=; b=pK8ZVcs+wZBAy4ihrirei48NfuTc0FLpzPE1wJAkjWA34qyXlPAKWkknqILc34l6lb 5PO5lULZGPJeXzBOJ5jzbbZ0k7J0BhKOWJgTR4Ioqh6goQ2vQJ4aIbl41YI1ODEpxcAJ iud6WCteOj9Ev1wXsRxIMsJXjCEYPGXY2QtA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=vqB1/MFW5Q2tTmaGWYTRfHWTbNQt42bn/NU66EP+y1708aY2jhPDdj3KR9LMXJK9xq W+jxQG+JV6nymd108z6rNLMemnP0ALbQYAiFlhkQR2qHbZTm9L2lnykgEcBepJPSTIRe ZWq60ZdujnE+ehyG19TYdvS5qipHoquY8Ac4Y= Message-ID: <37f071c00811162059h2bb7213dwca4bee1e30444d71@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:59:24 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DL4 Switches MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31412_4361644.1226897964125" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:59:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31412_4361644.1226897964125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, I tried to look in the archives but I can never seem to get to the info I want to find. I know this has been discussed before, but what do you have to do to replace a failed button on a DL4? Is this user serviceable repair? I seem to recall this discussion several times in the past but my beloved pedal has never failed in the many years I've had it; until today. I've lost one of the crucial switches and now have no looper. Can anyone help me out and give me the skinny on repairing these or where the discussion is kept or whatnot (or if I have to send it away for repair). Thanks, the DD20 is just not as smooth a simple looping solution for me and I feel somewhat lost without the Dl4 now, so sad. Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_31412_4361644.1226897964125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello all,

I tried to look in the archives but I can never seem to get to the info I want to find.  I know this has been discussed before, but what do you have to do to replace a failed button on a DL4?  Is this user serviceable repair?  I seem to recall this discussion several times in the past but my beloved pedal has never failed in the many years I've had it; until today.  I've lost one of the crucial switches and now have no looper.

Can anyone help me out and give me the skinny on repairing these or where the discussion is kept or whatnot (or if I have to send it away for repair).

Thanks, the DD20 is just not as smooth a simple looping solution for me and I feel somewhat lost without the Dl4 now, so sad.

Kevin

--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
------=_Part_31412_4361644.1226897964125-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 05:32:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9880A3BE79; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=C7a7GyS7R3uFpYS3sX1XoRnygMgqLmo4DwAydvMZM8oDwCjYUDG4qTioSwvsIJQh9BysK8CTeWPix8/ha3xoZWDa5Ps8Ckqf5QKGHXVSyDKCDHn6Ipo3KxoR/I2YAEPM4PksQXECdmouIrgagzDQdiXLy1fJwU0siXDjANBqbOQ=; X-YMail-OSG: R8IySJkVM1kMa7.MQDC_FNg4pKQiwZxXI9x7nmbWMwqkYig63gGGu.RemP1wjP6f6AJ38ChxeYwmopNsnDLcBJbPtcqOLh65t17VufiuN8dX_d8mWSgF7wiilMRAMSJbr6v.qNKCnWUpiH3weijJFefoy54S.EABtp37QDvN2mSSWdE.155BIVPI3kE1 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Re: DL4 Switches To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37f071c00811162059h2bb7213dwca4bee1e30444d71@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-805667304-1226899971=:55297" Message-ID: <80635.55297.qm@web110316.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2pxpoB.A.Vn.GIQIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:32:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-805667304-1226899971=:55297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recently replaced mine.=A0 A kind looper on this list sent me some new sw= itches. If you're reasonably handy with a soldering iron you can replace them yours= elf - I did. --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: From: Kevin Cheli-Colando Subject: DL4 Switches To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:59 PM Hello all, I tried to look in the archives but I can never seem to get to the info I w= ant to find.=A0 I know this has been discussed before, but what do you have= to do to replace a failed button on a DL4?=A0 Is this user serviceable rep= air?=A0 I seem to recall this discussion several times in the past but my b= eloved pedal has never failed in the many years I've had it; until today.= =A0 I've lost one of the crucial switches and now have no looper. Can anyone help me out and give me the skinny on repairing these or where t= he discussion is kept or whatnot (or if I have to send it away for repair). Thanks, the DD20 is just not as smooth a simple looping solution for me and= I feel somewhat lost without the Dl4 now, so sad. Kevin --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: =A0http://www.minds-eye.org --0-805667304-1226899971=:55297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
I recently replaced mine.  A kind looper on this list sent me some new switches.
If you're reasonably handy with a soldering iron you can replace them yourself - I did.


--- On Sun, 11/16/08, Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com>
Subject: DL4 Switches
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 8:59 PM

Hello all,

I tried to look in the archives but I can never seem to get to the info I want to find.  I know this has been discussed before, but what do you have to do to replace a failed button on a DL4?  Is this user serviceable repair?  I seem to recall this discussion several times in the past but my beloved pedal has never failed in the many years I've had it; until today.  I've lost one of the crucial switches and now have no looper.

Can anyone help me out and give me the skinny on repairing these or where the discussion is kept or whatnot (or if I have to send it away for repair).

Thanks, the DD20 is just not as smooth a simple looping solution for me and I feel somewhat lost without the Dl4 now, so sad.

Kevin

--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
--0-805667304-1226899971=:55297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 06:41:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B22043BE7E; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <001a01c94810$aa5dcb40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> In-Reply-To: <001a01c94810$aa5dcb40$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: looping video with LoopyCam; looping music and graphics simultaneously Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:43:09 -0800 Message-ID: <03d501c9487f$c27517f0$475f47d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclIEKmqnZhiKmvjQ/uhrvvEvzJyzQAauojg Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {1280C76C-2B2F-47EE-BF6A-D5DC108A27DA} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AGr8 A07m BEyz B6Qa CuZZ DbmI DpCJ DwTA E27y FCGf H7N1 IPic Iu4z JRnn J4wU Kp7T;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{1280C76C-2B2F-47EE-BF6A-D5DC108A27DA};dABqAHQAQABuAG8AcwB1AGMAaAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:43:06 GMT;bABvAG8AcABpAG4AZwAgAHYAaQBkAGUAbwAgAHcAaQB0AGgAIABMAG8AbwBwAHkAQwBhAG0AOwAgAGwAbwBvAHAAaQBuAGcAIABtAHUAcwBpAGMAIABhAG4AZAAgAGcAcgBhAHAAaABpAGMAcwAgAHMAaQBtAHUAbAB0AGEAbgBlAG8AdQBzAGwAeQA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:41:12 +0000 (UTC) I did a couple of looping-oriented things recently which I thought folks might find interesting: 1) I attached a security camera to a game controller that I used to interactively control the recording, looping, and effects processing of up to four video loops in realtime. I call it the LoopyCam, you can see a picture of it here: http://nosuch.com/tjt/loopycam/ For an example of what the output looks like, see this video (no audio) with clips from a recent performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3W6WoC0cJs The abstract loops in that video were usually done by using video feedback - i.e. pointing the camera at the screen. 2) I did a solo performance where I played a MIDI keyboard to generate both music and graphics - the notes I played were looped, and the played and looped MIDI notes triggered all the graphics. Two videos (with audio) from that performance are: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI_VHxzFMR4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-04KrT2hRM ...Tim... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 09:42:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24CD33BE7F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=gKHxE5D707VUYOIfF0D0j5x5Xz1h4jMah3nsSY1E3ew=; b=TYmR8IBotFxPr5K+20RLDzse/yQf0EOHd1pQlbWlXD5xgie35X3ojzAkGjBjVc+Yzh JPrrUex0NuKlU4PowKYhehyjuaOx+TjPE4zkgl4nP3/7as9d7+GpvZRpOOjpHViRwvm2 I2yMTrhMEV2nLkpIj6fjX6f9JMFydK073ERrg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=L00pC/WYuuYTsHCeHJ7yHc1e6Vaj04/yKiWdhvZHGGQf1xDrlI2Tpt0ExQrsJsNEQO Hd+bmxePcAnA31vkbz5XSXZTzg6jKp+3C249yCc799fFBM8+vd+IG2ZwRjglvrV12Fc6 ISvpe+a8UgzKMiX47wLujgcJZy8NVuMUG5zG0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:42:26 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Updated drum machine mp3's MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <279Rw.A.vYG.DyTIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:42:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage, edited from the last 18 months' worth of concerts. This includes 2 of the songs I played at the y2k8 live looping festival. They're pretty easily found on my website - www.ribosomemusic.com. Enjoy! (optional) Matt Davignon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 10:34:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 706523BE86; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=YwW0Yli8FpawvnVKulMpAzqdipFzgB+ZGPVrzSiR7O4=; b=M+GXok7hs4p8y5cuS1yKsIJ5bfDWOL5Vz25h+YF5+pAcFssQ7gJvbtsKjuZaO3Ebyo ORhBBdhx8mGnP6mehE0m8lQq3xxuWro89UzPlSZKd+yxY2T0FoSrjMJvMn85chZvErGi Ihm3k9+OmdbRa4P4EkYwfDZm7y6w+aiGWbQi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vERvsHg7YnIdni3QWzv1zkeehetr/qYK8/kWujWBgKZHrmLjmZ3IoTUQnQx/F99MTT ToryVjbY38NASbcrWdOVYCEIqD2jUX6pbj5NerzALCeHcQC4NX9corehwJQ40I1wTmeW HW9GwI4kYqfhyEwmgmy1vyZ1l7fCXUY1flUMo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 02:34:42 -0800 From: Nick Sender: collective.reality@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Purchase In-Reply-To: <1c3a4db00811161215w69912737v19ad979af0f4090d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <1c3a4db00811161215w69912737v19ad979af0f4090d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: c1c3f471c2eb46a4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:34:44 +0000 (UTC) the ram limit is dependant on the general model of the macbook, and does not vary by color. I believe the core 2 macbooks support either 2 or 4 gigs max. for some reason i think it's 4 but i'm not that sure. regardless, 2 is plenty for nearly anything. harddrive size is also upgradeable regardless of the model, and you can install a new harddrive if you want without voiding the warranty (as well as upgrade the ram) for less than just buying a new black macbook [data as of the last time both were offered on the apple site]. processor speed doesn't really matter when doing music things. In, fact it doesn't really matter with almost everything apart from massive number crunching. small variations that is. Andre, did you mean the white macbook or the macbook pro? either way it's a good choice, i'm just wondering, as there is only one color of macbook pro ( On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, marcus kirby wrote= : > Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram and > harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a lit= tle > bit faster. > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa w= rote: >> >> Thanks Nic, >> >> Think I'll go for the white macbook pro. >> >> Andre >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa> >> >> On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote: >> > I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are >> > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case >> > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some >> > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so for >> > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. >> > >> > -Nick >> > >> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa >> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and >> >> bidule >> >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. >> >> >> >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019= N890A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1 >> >> >> > >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Andre >> >> >> >> Andre Donawa >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com >> >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa >> >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 13:02:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EEB53BE89; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:02:52 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+dUpEaQPOd4r+WaCoLk1WMNZ4NqU2qE5aJoB/rbR 0wkcxTjLM1n057p88L7HPHS9lSwUv5xsPmnw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: EgZDHYJ0bXB+bMxpyTU209ciLyUmZYhd X-FuHaFi: 0.5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Hi Todd sorry, took a while to get back to you... I'm posting this also for the benefit of others on the list, hope you don't mind. > I'm real tempted to go the hardware route > Although I do have to buy more components I think I could get an > rc-50, reverb, delay effects for a 1000 which seems like is the > minimum just to get a laptop.... Well, do you really save that much - or at all? Let's compare - assuming your need for one mono instrument: LAPTOP SETUP (minimum): ca. 1400,- EUR - "old" Macbook white with Firewire (ca. 950,-EUR) - FCB1010 Midi Pedals (140,-) - Echo AudioFire 4 (290,-) RC-50 SETUP (minimum): ca. 750,- EUR - RC-50 Loop Station (370,-) - Expression Pedal, Footswitches: (>100,-EUR) - Zoom G2.1u MultiFX Pedal (140,-) - Minimixer (i.e. Mackie 402 VLZ3) (130,-) now, the RC-50 Setup is really the bare minimum. My RC-50 setup alone (without FX etc!) cost me roughly around 800,-EUR when you count all the pedals, switches, AB-boxes etc. RC-50 SETUP (with additional gear): ca. 1350,- - RC-50 (370,-) - Expression Pedals, Footswitches, Adapter cables (>200,-) - Nobels AB-V Switches (2x for stereo= 100,-) - Simple Channel Strip, i.e. Joe Meek ThreeQ (200,-) - Voicetone Create, for Reverb (230,-) - Zoom G2.1u for MultiFx (140,-) - Minimixer, i.e. Mackie 802 VLZ3 (220,-) The laptop setup described above for 1400,- EUR can do pretty much all the things as the RC-50 setup for 1350,- EUR. Here, I would definitely opt for the more flexible laptop solution - if I were to start with a new setup. I don't think MacBooks are a problem concerning memory nowadays. The old MacBook models have a pretty good price now (with firewire). Motu did have a bad reputation for PC drivers - but I haven't heard anything bad the last years and I've checked with several people selling it. I would also recommend the Echo AudioFire 4 for a cheap (even cheaper) alternative if you don't mind only 4 in/outs. Seems very stable and people like it. nice playing, btw :-) Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 15:14:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4ED93BE84; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:14:05 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20081117151405.39910@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18IgUE5ALEI/V2KSR8ej1GPy7Sd2BboahhIeBKJT9 Ay9WuX2NxoghHZYHdUU6tC95DOaMfMe6bWtQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: W+5JBKxubHIhQ9sjwjU0C7siJihyatBX X-FuHaFi: 0.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Todd > I ended up not taking your advice though:) and going with the rc-50. Fair enough! After, all I did the same :-) For your effect chain, I would really recommend that you give the Zoom G2.1u a try. It's has a decent reverb, 6-channel EQs and useable compression (for guitar) - plus the whole multiFX chain with Flanger, Pitch change, Ping pong delays and all the stuff. My recommendation: CHEAPEST FX CHAIN (mic>converter>Zoom>RC-50): - Impedance Converter Mic XLR > Instrument Jack (10-20 EUR) - Zoom G2 (ca. 100,-) CHEAP REALISTIC FX CHAIN (mic>mackie>Zoom>RC-50): - Mackie 402 VLZ3 (130,-) - Zoom G2.1u (140,-) CHANNEL STRIP (mic>channel strip>Zoom>RC-50) - Starting from Joe Meek ThreeQ (ca. 200,-) up to ... (sky is the limit) COMPRESSOR (mic>mackie>compressor>zoom>RC-50) - I like the RNC for ca. 240,- / again, sky is the limit... ADDITIONAL REVERB (mic>channelstrip/mixer+compressor>Zoom>Reverb>RC-50) - I like the TC Electronic VoiceTone Create for Reverb. Nice compact foot pedal for ca. 220,- Excellent sound with very detailed tweaking options. For your RC-50 setup, I can recommend: - Additional Expression Pedal for Volume Control (set to current loop) - 2 additional passive foot switches for extra features (i.e. reverse current loop etc) - AB switch for special "Mixed Mode" A bit more on the "Mixed Mode" with RC-50: - Set Loop1 Output to MAIN only - Set Loop2 Output to SUB only - Set Loop3 Output to MAIN+SUB - Connect the Main/Sub outs with the AB switch Now you can create a rhythmic loop on Phrase3 and then switch between A/B part on Loop 1/2 using the footswitch. You can additionally enhance the setup with "Loop Feedback" feature: - Buy a Nobels AB-V switch (needs a remote control footswitch additionally) - Connect: RC-50 MAIN OUT > Nobels AB IN1 - Connect: RC-50 SUB OUT > Nobels AB IN2 - Connect: Nobels AB OUT1 > Mixer - Connect Nobels AB OUT2 > RC-50 AUX IN (you need an adapter for the AUX IN or you may route it through your mixer on a seperate path) This way, you can use the AUX Volume Level to control the feedback Mind that you cannot fully use both "Mixed Mode" and "Loop Feedback" at the same time. Have fun and let us know how you are using your looper! best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:02:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F9D23BE7F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VVxkFpBE6yy8PQ03or3h8yONXv0zy97HRcVGtGXUm+k=; b=LVpSAWWKFyEldedqkFum21CYW4TSkDj7H0a5nr1o0DYlm7JkfsaRT1LToorQ4iRy4O a0wEaSqoPtcpIicgNkIYmlr34ORQeiHnusJCRxduOY8JrtCNST1mz84ugyFbY4DEitod uy1V88HbMYH8oKBf6Lxh5WFY5dbjDujh406wc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=W97BtK0mF6hhGNin078uZZOjRYUYa1N0mc8Jbm/OTOk/tHWjwX2NdveDzjCQ4fShBH izO3pmNsptyGhFTyRFnlCCknxBmgtKYep9YmpZeNhp5amx8st9GOWlnnKT2WjVpqW6oL tQMAjixjy5lqlfHCkJ6/wgiBOykLIdNFQMuc4= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811170802t594f2defm7cfd5881cbe59a35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:02:10 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Purchase In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_70812_28196053.1226937730144" References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <1c3a4db00811161215w69912737v19ad979af0f4090d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:02:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_70812_28196053.1226937730144 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ahhh, my bad :) The wiki for macbooks has good information that compares the different models since they were initially released, and explains which ones can only accept 3 gb max. On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Nick wrote: > the ram limit is dependant on the general model of the macbook, and > does not vary by color. I believe the core 2 macbooks support either 2 > or 4 gigs max. for some reason i think it's 4 but i'm not that sure. > regardless, 2 is plenty for nearly anything. > > harddrive size is also upgradeable regardless of the model, and you > can install a new harddrive if you want without voiding the warranty > (as well as upgrade the ram) for less than just buying a new black > macbook [data as of the last time both were offered on the apple > site]. > > processor speed doesn't really matter when doing music things. In, > fact it doesn't really matter with almost everything apart from > massive number crunching. small variations that is. > > Andre, did you mean the white macbook or the macbook pro? either way > it's a good choice, i'm just wondering, as there is only one color of > macbook pro ( > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, marcus kirby > wrote: > > Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram and > > harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a > little > > bit faster. > > > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks Nic, > >> > >> Think I'll go for the white macbook pro. > >> > >> Andre > >> > >> http://www.andredonawa.com > >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa> > >> > >> On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote: > >> > I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are > >> > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case > >> > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some > >> > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so fo= r > >> > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. > >> > > >> > -Nick > >> > > >> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa > >> > wrote: > >> >> Hi, > >> >> > >> >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and > >> >> bidule > >> >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping laptop. > >> >> > >> >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890= A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1 > >> >> > >> > > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> Andre > >> >> > >> >> Andre Donawa > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com > >> >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > >> >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > ------=_Part_70812_28196053.1226937730144 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ahhh, my bad :)

The wiki for macbooks has good information that comp= ares the different models since they were initially released, and explains = which ones can only accept 3 gb max.

On M= on, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Nick <ParadoxQuine@gmail.com> wrote:
the ram limit is = dependant on the general model of the macbook, and
does not vary by color. I believe the core 2 macbooks support either 2
or 4 gigs max. for some reason i think it's 4 but i'm not that sure= .
regardless, 2 is plenty for nearly anything.

harddrive size is also upgradeable regardless of the model, and you
can install a new harddrive if you want without voiding the warranty
(as well as upgrade the ram) for less than just buying a new black
macbook [data as of the last time both were offered on the apple
site].

processor speed doesn't really matter when doing music things. In,
fact it doesn't really matter with almost everything apart from
massive number crunching. small variations that is.

Andre, did you mean the white macbook or the macbook pro? either way
it's a good choice, i'm just wondering, as there is only one color = of
macbook pro (

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, marcus kirby <nrvana8775@gmail.com> wrote:
> Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram= and
> harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a = little
> bit faster.
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa <andre@andredonawa.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Nic,
>>
>> Think I'll go for the white macbook pro.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> http://ww= w.andredonawa.com
>> ht= tp://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa
>> h= ttp://www.myspace.com/andredonawa>
>>
>> On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote:
>> > I believe that one would work great, however the black macboo= ks are
>> > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic cas= e
>> > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, ther= e are some
>> > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400= , so for
>> > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine.=
>> >
>> > -Nick
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Andr=E9 Donawa <andre@andredonawa.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP = software and
>> >> bidule
>> >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a loopi= ng laptop.
>> >>
>> >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurb= ished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&= amp;qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1
>> >>
>> >
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Andre
>> >>
>> >> Andre Donawa
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> = http://www.andredonawa.com
>> >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


------=_Part_70812_28196053.1226937730144-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:22:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C5D9C3BE84; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:22:30 EST Subject: Re: A couple of looped flute pieces To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cfb.46d7b2f3.3652f446_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:18 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cfb.46d7b2f3.3652f446_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/16/08 3:56:01 PM, popperwell@iname.com writes: > http://www.myspace.com/ianpopperwell > ian.....very nice!.....thanks.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) --part1_cfb.46d7b2f3.3652f446_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 11/16/08 3:56:01 PM, popperwell@iname.com writes:


http://www.myspace.co= m/ianpopperwell


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Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes= , theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1= 212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=3Dhttp://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.h= tml?ncid=3Demlcntusdown00000001) --part1_cfb.46d7b2f3.3652f446_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:22:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A49733BE95; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_5172e240-b99c-4c50-bef0-7e7fdf021bb1_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: OT Experimental Beatles Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:22:20 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081117160213.03E843BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081117160213.03E843BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Nov 2008 16:22:21.0506 (UTC) FILETIME=[AAF09220:01C948D0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:22 +0000 (UTC) --_5172e240-b99c-4c50-bef0-7e7fdf021bb1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable McCartney hopes to release funky Beatles track =20 LONDON =96 Paul McCartney says it's time an experimental Beatles track saw = the light of day. =20 McCartney says he wants to release "Carnival of Light=2C" a 14-minute exper= imental track the Fab Four recorded in 1967 but never released. =20 The band played the recording for an audience just once=2C at an electronic= music festival in London. It reportedly includes distorted guitar=2C organ= sounds=2C gargling and shouts of "Barcelona!" and "Are you all right?" fro= m McCartney and John Lennon. =20 McCartney said during a recording session at Abbey Road studios he asked th= e other members of the band to "just wander round all of the stuff and bang= it=2C shout=2C play it. It doesn't need to make any sense." =20 "I like it because it's The Beatles free=2C going off piste=2C" he told the= BBC in a radio interview to be broadcast Thursday. Extracts of the intervi= ew were published Sunday in The Observer newspaper. =20 McCartney said he still had a master tape of the piece and "the time has co= me for it to get its moment." =20 McCartney=2C usually regarded as the most melodically minded Beatle=2C told= the BBC he had a long-standing interest in avant-garde music. He said "Car= nival of Light" was inspired by experimental composers John Cage and Karlhe= inz Stockhausen. =20 He said he had wanted to include the track on the Beatles' "Anthology" comp= ilation=2C but was vetoed by his bandmates. =20 McCartney would need permission from Ringo Starr and the widows of Lennon a= nd George Harrison to release the track. McCartney Wants To Release 40-year old Beatles Song =20 by Paul Cashmere =20 Paul McCartney says he wants the currently unreleased Beatles song `Carniva= l Of Light` to be heard by all. =20 The 14-minute jam was recorded in one take around the time The Beatles were= working on =91Penny Lane=92. In fact=2C specifically=2C it was recorded on= January 5=2C 1967. =20 Speaking with John Wilson on the BBC=2C McCartney said that he feels the ti= me is right to release the avant-guard track. 'I like it because it's the B= eatles free=2C going off piste=2C' he said. =91We were set up in the studio= and would just go in every day and record=2C' McCartney tells Wilson. 'I s= aid to the guys=2C this is a bit indulgent but would you mind giving me 10 = minutes? I've been asked to do this thing. All I want you to do is just wan= der round all of the stuff and bang it=2C shout=2C play it. It doesn't need= to make any sense. Hit a drum=2C wander to the piano=2C hit a few notes ..= . and then we put a bit of echo on it. It's very free". =20 McCartney said in the interview that the track was almost released in 1996 = on Anthology. We were listening to everything we'd every recorded=2C' McCar= tney says. 'I said it would be great to put this on because it would show w= e were working with really avant-garde stuff ... But it was vetoed. The guy= s didn't like the idea=2C like "this is rubbish".' =20 McCartney was at the BBC to talk about his new album as The Fireman with Wi= lson for his Front Row radio show in Radio 4. The interview will be heard t= his Thursday on BBC 4. =20 ***************************************************************** =20 --_5172e240-b99c-4c50-bef0-7e7fdf021bb1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 

McCartney hopes to release funky Beatles track
 
LONDON =96 =
Paul McCartney says it's time an experimental Beatles track saw the light o=
f day.
 
McCartney says he wants to release "Carnival of Light=2C" a =
14-minute experimental track the Fab Four recorded in 1967 but never releas=
ed.
 
The band played the recording for an audience just once=2C at a=
n electronic music festival in London. It reportedly includes distorted gui=
tar=2C organ sounds=2C gargling and shouts of "Barcelona!" and "Are you all=
 right?" from McCartney and John Lennon.
 
McCartney said during a re=
cording session at Abbey Road studios he asked the other members of the ban=
d to "just wander round all of the stuff and bang it=2C shout=2C play it. I=
t doesn't need to make any sense."
 
"I like it because it's The Beat=
les free=2C going off piste=2C" he told the BBC in a radio interview to be =
broadcast Thursday. Extracts of the interview were published Sunday in The =
Observer newspaper.
 
McCartney said he still had a master tape of th=
e piece and "the time has come for it to get its moment."
 
McCartney=
=2C usually regarded as the most melodically minded Beatle=2C told the BBC =
he had a long-standing interest in avant-garde music. He said "Carnival of =
Light" was inspired by experimental composers John Cage and Karlheinz Stock=
hausen.
 
He said he had wanted to include the track on the Beatles' =
"Anthology" compilation=2C but was vetoed by his bandmates.
 
McCartn=
ey would need permission from Ringo Starr and the widows of Lennon and Geor=
ge Harrison to release the track.



McCartney Wants To Release=
 40-year old Beatles Song
 
by Paul Cashmere
 
Paul McCartney s=
ays he wants the currently unreleased Beatles song `Carnival Of Light` to b=
e heard by all.
 
The 14-minute jam was recorded in one take around t=
he time The Beatles were working on =91Penny Lane=92. In fact=2C specifical=
ly=2C it was recorded on January 5=2C 1967.
 
Speaking with John Wils=
on on the BBC=2C McCartney said that he feels the time is right to release =
the avant-guard track. 'I like it because it's the Beatles free=2C going of=
f piste=2C' he said. =91We were set up in the studio and would just go in e=
very day and record=2C' McCartney tells Wilson. 'I said to the guys=2C this=
 is a bit indulgent but would you mind giving me 10 minutes? I've been aske=
d to do this thing. All I want you to do is just wander round all of the st=
uff and bang it=2C shout=2C play it. It doesn't need to make any sense. Hit=
 a drum=2C wander to the piano=2C hit a few notes ... and then we put a bit=
 of echo on it. It's very free".
 
McCartney said in the interview th=
at the track was almost released in 1996 on Anthology. We were listening to=
 everything we'd every recorded=2C' McCartney says. 'I said it would be gre=
at to put this on because it would show we were working with really avant-g=
arde stuff ... But it was vetoed. The guys didn't like the idea=2C like "th=
is is rubbish".'
 
McCartney was at the BBC to talk about his new alb=
um as The Fireman with Wilson for his Front Row radio show in Radio 4. The =
interview will be heard this Thursday on BBC 4.
 
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= --_5172e240-b99c-4c50-bef0-7e7fdf021bb1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:22:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED1373BE91; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <03d501c9487f$c27517f0$475f47d0$@com> Subject: RE: looping video with LoopyCam; looping music and graphics simultaneously Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:22:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00a101c948d0$bafb7950$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclIzolZXvGKqdSdQpWsHk3os2mSwQAAcZaw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <03d501c9487f$c27517f0$475f47d0$@com> X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.31; VDF: 7.1.0.92) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:22:52 +0000 (UTC) awesome Tim. Are you planning to sell this system in a box? I didn't know you were on LD ... I love your music software too ... I used Tune Toys on the May 8 - May 12 tracks here: http://www.michaelpeters.de/my2k.htm best, -Michael > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Thompson [mailto:tjt@nosuch.com] > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 7:43 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: looping video with LoopyCam; looping music and > graphics simultaneously > > I did a couple of looping-oriented things recently which I > thought folks > might find interesting: > > 1) I attached a security camera to a game controller that I used to > interactively control the recording, looping, and effects > processing of up > to four video loops in realtime. I call it the LoopyCam, you > can see a > picture of it here: > > http://nosuch.com/tjt/loopycam/ > > For an example of what the output looks like, see this video > (no audio) with > clips from a recent performance: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3W6WoC0cJs > > The abstract loops in that video were usually done by using > video feedback - > i.e. pointing the camera at the screen. > > 2) I did a solo performance where I played a MIDI keyboard to > generate both > music and graphics - the notes I played were looped, and the > played and > looped MIDI notes triggered all the graphics. Two videos > (with audio) from > that performance are: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI_VHxzFMR4 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-04KrT2hRM > > ...Tim... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:24:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266F53BE8A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:24:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Updated drum machine mp3's Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:24:27 +0100 Message-ID: <00a201c948d0$f693f960$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclIzolbcNxli/ECSWaWma3ZoRvbMgAAlqtA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.31; VDF: 7.1.0.92) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:24:32 +0000 (UTC) > I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage wonderful, thanks for posting Matt -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:42:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 154C73BE87; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:43:12 EST Subject: Re: looping video with LoopyCam; looping music and graphics simultaneously To: tjt@nosuch.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c36.40c72631.3652f920_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:42:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c36.40c72631.3652f920_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/17/08 1:41:35 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3W6WoC0cJs > my fav of the bunch!.....now that was some dancin'!.....this past weekend, i was listening to some of my old music on my i-tunes and i had the i-tunes visualizer going, now i don't know if it was the "cheap" vodka or what but this was the first time the music was really synced to the images (how sweet), much like the last two vids from tim.....like several others on the list, i have been bitten by the video bug and would like to try my hand at some movies to go with my music.....tim's first vid (the dancers) was brilliant in that it had no sound (my mind kept trying to supply music as i watched, krazy!).....i just got a flyer in the mail that if i pay $12.99 a month these kind folk will "protect" all of my money and not let nefarious individuals steal it (almost enuf for a wild nite at mickey d's).....the first month is free and i can keep the video recorder that they are sending me for being duped into trying this "wonderful" service.....cancel anytime but keep the camera!.....well send it on!......hollywood here i come.....so please keep them videos coming, the inspiration is loverly.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. 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In a message dated 11/17/08 1:41:35 AM, tjt@nosuch.com writes:


http://www.youtube.co= m/watch?v=3Dn3W6WoC0cJs


my fav of the bunch!.....now that was some dancin'!.....this past weekend= , i was listening to some of my old music on my i-tunes and i had the i-tune= s visualizer going, now i don't know if it was the "cheap" vodka or what but= this was the first time the music was really synced to the images (how swee= t), much like the last two vids from tim.....like several others on the list= , i have been bitten by the video bug and would like to try my hand at some=20= movies to go with my music.....tim's first vid (the dancers) was brilliant i= n that it had no sound (my mind kept trying to supply music as i watched, kr= azy!).....i just got a flyer in the mail that if i pay $12.99 a month these=20= kind folk will "protect" all of my money and not let nefarious individuals s= teal it (almost enuf for a wild nite at mickey d's).....the first month is f= ree and i can keep the video recorder that they are sending me for being dup= ed into trying this "wonderful" service.....cancel anytime but keep the came= ra!.....well send it on!......hollywood here i come.....so please keep them=20= videos coming, the inspiration is loverly.....michael



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
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Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes= , theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1= 212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=3Dhttp://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.h= tml?ncid=3Demlcntusdown00000001) --part1_c36.40c72631.3652f920_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 16:59:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D2D23BE8A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ZbmqPmwjjT9Pz5vUYXgOLq+FBhzCmpb3l6pxgyucAAs=; b=XxgFFGB7Wucsuoq4JNDMlmASJhEzY1LB/cFKXA8cJXryI9pt/gpszPdlYkHZtMRoya sSYMQKhmA+Bk7ltgRoq7S2jChCE8IrYxhP1ImyhLlSQ/wucr2/5WfLpj+00H9nQCuCqL LoURfMJfMn6DAwDA8eyFHWjogxaoTftP9uO78= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=xyBM+r5QTLlgw8uU8aAiCfBPeqnzcxMZszZVhKEr2cw9RMtN2WRZ5maMb6pMuXFAUE +ANd3tpok2SM/gGCCDYxHIztJM/18puxDSPjenYOWQmvZpRo/Ium+E4QI78xh0aaehmm qZRlSbXk0YbzmsXkmAL53WvseYSzhwAAejMgM= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811170859g2d068286v1f53b4e9de79b2be@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:59:03 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Updated drum machine mp3's In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26670_19547951.1226941143141" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:59:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26670_19547951.1226941143141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Matt these are wonderful, particularly like the opening piece (i've listend to the first 4 so far but wanted to express feedback) as this morning on NBC the today staff was doing a world focus on environent and water shortage. your first piece Coral (and not as it's just named that) would have so fit Matt's footage of the underwater footage in Beliz in Carribean. Met you last year at Y2K7, I think youwere there this recent but I came in Sat PM, was there with the duo I share with Daryl, Chinapainting. Will listen to rest of your trax. jim On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage, edited from the > last 18 months' worth of concerts. This includes 2 of the songs I > played at the y2k8 live looping festival. > > They're pretty easily found on my website - www.ribosomemusic.com. > > Enjoy! (optional) > > Matt Davignon > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_26670_19547951.1226941143141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Matt these are wonderful, particularly like the opening piece (i've listend to the first 4 so far but wanted to express feedback) as this morning on NBC the today staff was doing a world focus on environent and water shortage.  your first piece Coral (and not as it's just named that) would have so fit Matt's footage of the underwater footage in Beliz in Carribean.
 
Met you last year at Y2K7, I think youwere there this recent but I came in Sat PM, was there with the duo I share with Daryl, Chinapainting.
 
Will listen to rest of your trax.
 
jim

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage, edited from the
last 18 months' worth of concerts. This includes 2 of the songs I
played at the y2k8 live looping festival.

They're pretty easily found on my website - www.ribosomemusic.com.

Enjoy! (optional)

Matt Davignon




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_26670_19547951.1226941143141-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 17:22:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38BEE3BE8A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:23:39 EST Subject: Re: Updated drum machine mp3's To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bbe.3adc859a.3653029b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:22:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bbe.3adc859a.3653029b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit was this experinemtal or what?!.....thanks matt!.....more new tunes that my MATT DAVIGNON cover band will learn.....yipeeee!.....great music.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) --part1_bbe.3adc859a.3653029b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable was this experinemtal or what?!.....tha= nks matt!.....more new tunes that my MATT DAVIGNON cover band will learn....= .yipeeee!.....great music.....michael



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Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes= , theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1= 212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=3Dhttp://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.h= tml?ncid=3Demlcntusdown00000001) --part1_bbe.3adc859a.3653029b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 18:00:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE86E3BE89; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1226944837; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=SX3gr1TK4SK6gnZHBxrFnXoadUM=; b=n7CfCaZCCVChWZuUfmfLt4o+sWiBNjVb8T+BC9lnXx7dR9gYJmgRr/woWhy6Yukv BvuL6VfKTlg0pDaMC/THyTKnEhBN8knZSXDGXoc7o45PWPGoFh58zNqLw6fdQSeK; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=OT3O6O8lAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=nEJoZ4RnAAAA:8 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=rPfW59w2_zzegub1J0AA:9 a=YmhAw2ewKTSSjwb0SVkA:7 a=Gr1wy5LKcdnx3r_Qqoxf34eZyWkA:4 a=pyz5_6glG38A:10 a=rZftM7ydEjMA:10 a=1BeEXqUnHnUA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 a=MPAWXvF9KDm853PrI4YA:9 a=6kfl34lNMN3xuFiZmFsA:7 a=inBZlB3vgfzU3tRYcQ2_TvBnnesA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001301c948de$654a0860$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Updated drum machine mp3's Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:00:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C948B4.7BEC0BB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:00:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C948B4.7BEC0BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alright, then my Klobuchar cover band can play Klobuchar doing Matt = Davignon covers! If my failing eyes could just see the little lcd = readout on my DR 670 that is. I get such a headache trying to program = that thing... Really great stuff Matt! As always. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Updated drum machine mp3's was this experinemtal or what?!.....thanks matt!.....more new tunes = that my MATT DAVIGNON cover band will learn.....yipeeee!.....great = music.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:42 AM, Matt Davignon = wrote: Hi everyone, I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage, edited from the last 18 months' worth of concerts. This includes 2 of the songs I played at the y2k8 live looping festival. They're pretty easily found on my website - www.ribosomemusic.com. Enjoy! (optional) Matt Davignon new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & = more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?r= edir=3Dhttp://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=3Demlcntusdown= 00000001)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: = 11/17/2008 8:48 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C948B4.7BEC0BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Really great stuff Matt! As = always.
 
Jeff
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I have 10 new drum machine mp3's up on my webpage, = edited=20 from the
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C948B4.7BEC0BB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 18:02:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0707A3BE8C; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Tim Thompson" To: References: <20081117165905.5CF773BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20081117165905.5CF773BE91@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: RE: looping video with LoopyCam; looping music and graphics simultaneously Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:04:26 -0800 Message-ID: <047201c948de$eecbe810$cc63b830$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclI1c4cOfYkuCJsQiaG5VJ+QPLVLQABy/2g Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) > awesome Tim. Are you planning to sell this system in a box? No plans to sell it in its current form - it's cobbled together from various pieces. If someone is familiar with using Freeframe (visual effects) plugins and OSC (Open Sound Control), I would be willing to give them the Freeframe plugin I wrote which does the looping and responds to OSC for controlling it. I'm going to be installing it as an installation in the front window of the ATA Theater/Gallery on Valencia Street in San Francisco, from December 8th to the 31st or so, so people walking by can loop themselves. It won't be quite as compelling as the Climate Theater show, I suspect, since the looping control will be automated. I'll be doing a 'performance' with it at the opening of the installation, on Dec 8th. .Tim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 21:05:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC02A3BE89; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=RtkMjXKjJDbIGKIm0Eo/G+WHuLivD9dwMSyvfWbWXooFkhay0us98x9/rR49u5qsas+JN9ZVUHYLe3YEji/8ORSNvMQhptQS4kGd1MJ04KXX7Iv0RRhygzizHDO53UBjzc+s4iQFWiV7EWLdNU1RuRaPTSGAHI36uemdGkOmVUM=; X-YMail-OSG: cGU7A_cVM1m4EvIqVLSOrLQuuUeQc9Rwk6_e_dLIHakwmkV16N1V2nWWeO7WcJBbQWYKOyuuH1dyu1NAHP7qEopBvo.N5ACzN1lHSQtH_kPNm8YdqxLJxxzZ09ISvSoy9xXiznvtJNZsMZa16J0cVfVTmA8i58oyb7I92KMb X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:05:37 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: art as entertainment/experimental/avant-garde, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081117165905.6BEB43BE8C@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1422794849-1226955937=:26966" Message-ID: <64240.26966.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:05:39 +0000 (UTC) --0-1422794849-1226955937=:26966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've been thinking about these topics that have been bouncing around for th= e last week or so, my 2 cents: someone stated that art is not entertainment- that is false. in the 1800s at the height of the salon era in Paris (the ce= nter for the art world at the time), the state funded salon which could mak= e or break careers-, the art that was being shown was one of the forms of e= ntertainment of the time (remember, no tivo, movies or ipods at time). peop= le would go see the paintings, etc. and marvel at the good stuff, and LAUGH= at the bad stuff. as for the experimental debate-i can only speak from the pt of visual arts,= since that was my training, and in all my yrs of art school, i never heard= the term "Experimental" w/ the word "Art". i think when you are talking about visual art, the word "experimental" is i= mplied, you are experimenting as you learn/make stuff. now, i have heard/seen the term-"experimental film"-it usually means film t= hat breaks from narrative context, as in the classic sense of film (stories= told w/ visuals and sound) and certainly there is lots of examples of this: dadaist/surrealists made e= xperimental films back in the 1920's etc.... but on the whole, as applied to the visual arts-i've never seen "experiment= al" coupled w/ it. now the terms that are coupled w/ it: avant-garde-french term for advanced = guard-usually mean folks going beyond the limitations of the day, exploring= new ideas of FORM. in the classic sense of modernism (movement in art cele= brating modern life, from Manet in mid 1800's on), avant garde usually mean= t artists who did things that took the rest of the art world 10 yrs or so t= o catch up to what they did first, so 10 yrs later, it becomes a style, exa= mple is all the artists who fall under the different -ISM's (manet, monet, = van gogh, picasso, etc). generally their style was a move away from idea of= Renaissance space to a flatter use of space, and moving away from ideas of= finish, eventually removing idea of subject matter. Avant-garde also was a= bout artists who went outside of the normal means of getting their work sho= wn (ie: Courbet setting up his own pavilion, Impressionists having their ow= n group shows outside of Salon/academy). of course all this sort of ended w/ the advent of post-modernism, which is = a loose term that noone seems to know what is or when it started... now, how this relates to music-i have no idea. but in the interviews i've r= ead about people who i classify as "experimental", the musician never usual= ly says their work is "experimental". it just seems to be a loose term that= people (critics/writers) throw out, sort of like "alternative"-which i lau= gh when i see that term used, b/c i think isn't that a music movement from = the early 90's? can it still be applied to today? generally-i think of experimental music as the people from the turn of the = 20th century who began to explore ideas outside of tonality, and their move= ments were concurrent w/ the ideas of what picasso/cubists were doing (brea= king w/ form of how subject matter is explored//also happens when einstein = comes up w/ relativity-world see universe in different perspective). you know, the question is: when you sit down to play/compose, etc: do you s= ay, i'm going to make a piece of "experimental music"? most likely not, you= usually just start to play/compose music based on what's going on in your = head/your life and the outside influences that move you...and you work on i= t and refine it, etc.... my long 2 cents....i'm sure i forgot a 100 things..... s---- ps-a friend of mine, who is a professional singer/songwriter, and who's bac= kground is in music, one time we were talking about "experimental music", a= nd she said she always thought it was people just DROPPING SHIT. that alway= s made me laugh. =A0 =0A=0A=0A --0-1422794849-1226955937=:26966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
i've been thinking about these topics that have been bouncing around for the last week or so, my 2 cents:

someone stated that art is not entertainment-
that is false. in the 1800s at the height of the salon era in Paris (the center for the art world at the time), the state funded salon which could make or break careers-, the art that was being shown was one of the forms of entertainment of the time (remember, no tivo, movies or ipods at time). people would go see the paintings, etc. and marvel at the good stuff, and LAUGH at the bad stuff.

as for the experimental debate-i can only speak from the pt of visual arts, since that was my training, and in all my yrs of art school, i never heard the term "Experimental" w/ the word "Art".
i think when you are talking about visual art, the word "experimental" is implied, you are experimenting as you learn/make stuff.
now, i have heard/seen the term-"experimental film"-it usually means film that breaks from narrative context, as in the classic sense of film (stories told w/ visuals and sound)
and certainly there is lots of examples of this: dadaist/surrealists made experimental films back in the 1920's etc....
but on the whole, as applied to the visual arts-i've never seen "experimental" coupled w/ it.

now the terms that are coupled w/ it: avant-garde-french term for advanced guard-usually mean folks going beyond the limitations of the day, exploring new ideas of FORM. in the classic sense of modernism (movement in art celebrating modern life, from Manet in mid 1800's on), avant garde usually meant artists who did things that took the rest of the art world 10 yrs or so to catch up to what they did first, so 10 yrs later, it becomes a style, example is all the artists who fall under the different -ISM's (manet, monet, van gogh, picasso, etc). generally their style was a move away from idea of Renaissance space to a flatter use of space, and moving away from ideas of finish, eventually removing idea of subject matter. Avant-garde also was about artists who went outside of the normal means of getting their work shown (ie: Courbet setting up his own pavilion, Impressionists having their own group shows outside of Salon/academy).
of course all this sort of ended w/ the advent of post-modernism, which is a loose term that noone seems to know what is or when it started...

now, how this relates to music-i have no idea. but in the interviews i've read about people who i classify as "experimental", the musician never usually says their work is "experimental". it just seems to be a loose term that people (critics/writers) throw out, sort of like "alternative"-which i laugh when i see that term used, b/c i think isn't that a music movement from the early 90's? can it still be applied to today?
generally-i think of experimental music as the people from the turn of the 20th century who began to explore ideas outside of tonality, and their movements were concurrent w/ the ideas of what picasso/cubists were doing (breaking w/ form of how subject matter is explored//also happens when einstein comes up w/ relativity-world see universe in different perspective).
you know, the question is: when you sit down to play/compose, etc: do you say, i'm going to make a piece of "experimental music"? most likely not, you usually just start to play/compose music based on what's going on in your head/your life and the outside influences that move you...and you work on it and refine it, etc....
my long 2 cents....i'm sure i forgot a 100 things.....
s----
ps-a friend of mine, who is a professional singer/songwriter, and who's background is in music, one time we were talking about "experimental music", and she said she always thought it was people just DROPPING SHIT. that always made me laugh.

 

--0-1422794849-1226955937=:26966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 21:16:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99E093BE8A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=laORnMW0K4j594obTyndLSlkq/a+Q/j3GeqHNOp0qiM=; b=v5O3ekGZez/rQ5xuOyQPj3xe4jS4gmdu4rM04C3S28MPbkU11HfOsktavNdfXYEF3a kAuhQNnc+kER/21ITiXpwFWQNtwdQ5ma602KLQIXWjmVxq/0LAIYKPtUD7oVdR8WWWkN gavSOLkojg55ayh1iU/W+CC62+HCJzG6wlX5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=b7erGeMCFOUshI9JPtSae1asa8pYf7HNwgu91ZplwIKD58hhraU7A4lJF9238yKFMt zCoagIb3BjCDgHqqi8XAOHGGB70nvRZc0YIFjv2PXeaixsonZNJjJYSlU/xiqbHE05TB 9LstlCCQ5kq1YDLO9bhBZqwuRHDk4zt3Z+7aM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:15:56 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight Subject: Buddha box MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Anybody seen or played with these? http://www.fm3buddhamachine.com/site/ http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=Buddha02&searchfield=keyword Neat idea. -- -==-=-=- Tony From amaidrisa1@centrum.cz Mon Nov 17 21:21:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 308 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:21:41 UTC Received: from mail1011.centrum.cz (mail1011.centrum.cz [90.183.38.141]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6873BE80 for ; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail1011.centrum.cz id S537183237AbYKQVQ3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:16:29 +0100 Received: from 41.203.227.75 (X-Forwarded-For: 41.203.227.75) by mail1011.centrum.cz (Centrum Mail) with HTTP Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:16:29 +0100 From: X-Mailer: Centrum Mail 5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Message-ID: <200811172216.25617@centrum.cz> Subject: From: MR. 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From: MR. AMA IDRISA,
African Development Bank
Burkina Faso (ADB)
Ouagadougou Burkina Faso.
 
Dear Friend,

On a very good day,Welcome this letter in the name of God.
(I am MR. AMA IDRISA) the director of the account & auditing dept, at the African Development Bank (ADB) Ouagadougou Burkina Faso West Africa. With due respect, I have decided to contact you on a business transaction that will be beneficial to both of us. At the bank's last account/auditing evaluations, I came across an old account which was being maintained by a foreign client who we learnt died on a sudden motor accident along Togo road on his way back to Burkina Faso with his entire family his wife and his only child on 6th Nov. 2003.

Since the deceased was unable to run this account since his death. The account has remained dormant without the knowledge of his family since it was put in a safe deposit account in the bank for future investment by the client. Since his demise, nobody, not even the members of his family have applied for claims over this fund and it has been in the safe deposit account until I discovered that. it cannot be claimed since our client is a foreign national and we are sure that he has no next of kin here to file claims over the money. As the director of the dept, this discovery was brought to my office so as to decide what is to be done. With the few personnel in my dept, I decided to seek ways through which to transfer this money out of the bank and out of the country too.

The total amount in the accounts is ten million five hundred thousand dollars (USD 10,500,000.00). with our positions as a staff of the bank, I am handicapped because I cannot operate foreign accounts and cannot lay bonafide claim over this money. while contemplating on what to do, I came across your email contact in the internet directory and I decided to ask you for help to transfer this money out of the country to your account in your country .the client is a foreign national and you will only be asked to act as his next of kin or business partner. I will supply you with all necessary information and bank data to assist you in being able to transfer this money to any bank of your choice where this money could be transferred to.

I have decided to give away forty %( 40%) to you for your assistance and ten (10%) for any expenses that might arise during the transaction of this transfer. I want to assure you that this
transaction is absolutely 100% guarantee since I work in this bank which is why you should be confident in the success of this transaction because you will be updated with information as at when desired.
 
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I am waiting for your urgent response!!!
Thanks and remain blessed.
Bellow is my resident contact address and my telephone line
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Tel: + 226 75 24 50 17 Email: amaidrisa2009@live.fr
Mr. AMA IDRISA
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= --_beac4d60-0c74-4b1b-b0b0-f1ce249ebae3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 21:56:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8978F3BE8F; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:56:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bB8s74lS7WPDjEuqszTfX3+IWbAgxB9AH28tWRbIOCc+BGaX5sZb4H+HVJ7bm2Qh; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <27020774.1226958974769.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:56:14 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buddha box Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4879522207c6444d661b52eeccf23935f6a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:56:15 +0000 (UTC) hey! being a large >SUNN O)))< fan-i picked up the 1st BuddhaBox and was nott disapointed- that said-i got the new one w/ pitch shifting and well the loops leave a little to be desired-just on the tunes selected-too much herkeejerkee-drum noodleing-not smooth like the 1st one. but they ARE cool and they have headphone out so you can hear them on a decent system. stan - >Anybody seen or played with these? > >http://www.fm3buddhamachine.com/site/ >http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=Buddha02&searchfield=keyword > >Neat idea. > >-- >-==-=-=- >Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 22:15:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 530363BE8A; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=TDF0eufFFYNGU2MN5XkIayKXy5L27AL+GfbX94zsGi0=; b=TS9djDxg7PI0aDREh+Gl6ORjVon/YI+4e/cGi8b7n+Vake1vE/5RJqFXdXxOS7CPmV szlJAXsIOYUIBBYB2ye1XdsNBx+FrWahpzv6hCKJCojDsxIII54FJ3zFFufORP6Kmq8b Cx/A7E4iT0EJZpeCJrrJyXxANSbYdWhI7jugI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mLfcpqqi4ovnWhzCuLAXkf1WNzKB2UtquGt28rga4BNt3+xGh0iIMQuwK9zkbSBrJ+ 1L9XkW+L7d/6Sl/m82AluBHMq4GZcE2Fn3g9WQGWq3Wv7clgtolsfNq1ulCNdeYIbF5A dTOr5UeRc9r/KeKG+Cs/Zs6QJ6LCZJmBl8QJE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811171415r2f8ec8fckc7335c607574de01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:15:46 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Lots of videos and pix posted from Scandinavian Looping Tour MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have uploaded 38 pictures and 32 videos from the 2nd Swedish Live Looping Tour in May 2008. Rick Walker and I traveled around Scandinavia for a month with this "Open Stage For Live Looping" project and played with hordes of awesome guest musicians. I've cut out most of the documentation of us eating or making silly jokes - so no one will see that - which typically happens from not bringing a dedicated camera person along (meaning I rarely had the time to both perform music and do filming, but when eating and joking I had all the time in the world to goof around with the camera. Oh well...) I put it all on Facebook because it was convenient uploading. Here are the links: Pictures: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8178437050&ref=mf Videos: http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=666476971 -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 23:49:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4E73BE87; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49220307.4050103@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:49:27 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buddha box References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2uPB-D.A.CHD.KMgIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Wonder if these are hackable. Whenever I finish my 100-miniature-loops project, I'd love to have it pre-loaded on a lil' box just like this. I suppose it'd be fairly easy to stick a 256mg mp3 player inside a cheap radio, keep it on repeat mode, and rig up an outside button to switch to the next loop...hmm... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Anybody seen or played with these? > > http://www.fm3buddhamachine.com/site/ > http://www.forcedexposure.com/bin/search.pl?search_string=Buddha02&searchfield=keyword > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 17 23:54:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFA083BE86; Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mVGn6pmZ2mSGHx3KkbxOnkAVLh5QrtI/xheUHZVh1uU=; b=bQKay2y/Jlymj4pJ5fzIwmBbyR/CqLatbUxbFoRVNLE89uTnTyO9TgdxlGKLYJ91j+ bF5X975uxcUxku6Bmk76x4Kqr4QszK1ghe+BotanIRQGErulWJqN/hyHImG4d44rfcOL 3aN3w66D/bHEemTjX2nTjDLuR5UerrQi7NZew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HFWDsBKewqNLHw4AcnOPzQfHb8pAe9X+5oP67QpEbmKISHCbJXM3SR3YmoXgxt6P5l o+UuQ3cH3jFoe1lEMRFsC08Uo8jXi1vSVD9WzECMb+86Q1usMCIiyYTy0b7nztVMmoPg L3NJKZtVhyX8+Xy/tz6Dl+FMS2RpOSqDp3Jfc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <64240.26966.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64240.26966.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: art as entertainment/experimental/avant-garde, etc Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:54:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 23:54:10 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 17, 2008, at 1:05 PM, scott hansen wrote: > someone stated that art is not entertainment- > that is false. in the 1800s at the height of the salon era in Paris > (the center for the art world at the time), the state funded salon > which could make or break careers-, the art that was being shown > was one of the forms of entertainment of the time (remember, no > tivo, movies or ipods at time). people would go see the paintings, > etc. and marvel at the good stuff, and LAUGH at the bad stuff. Not false, the functions and uses of art have evolved since the 1800's. For many, the appreciation of art has become linked to thrill- seeking -- good art is art which "knocks your socks off" or "blows your mind" -- but that is a very limited viewpoint and while vaguely valid, it is a rather adolescent approach: a sort of tits / ass/ gunfight / blow up cars method to measure significance. Part of this is the way "art" is marketed these days just to get anyone's jaded attention out of the morass and quagmires of cultural product. So the art you hear about tends to be art that is bold and aggressive, somehow commanding attention. But I don't think art is about rating things. It is not a competition. Intensity does not correlate to importance and neither does scale -- just because something is big does not make it more important than something small (bacteria and virus can kill you). Think of Proust and his little madeleine cookie. Some art needs time to sink into the brain, but as life has sped up so much and information load has expanded exponentially, there is very little time or even ability for most folks to engage subtle levels of sensibility and reflection. Thus, art that does not have an immediate discernible impact is dismissed as irrelevant and insignificant. But most criticism tells you more about the critic than the art. Art is involvement in the evolution of the human mind, the Species Mind. In a Jungian sense, it is "furnishing the house" but also transcending "houseness" and extrapolating other possibilities. The Internet is also part of this process -- the intertubes are not just about shopping and porn. My wish is that, after 50 years of over-militarization, some of our fearless leaders will have the cojones to take the billion dollars that goes into one single war aircraft and apply that money to support the arts and arts education. One damn war plane. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 00:05:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117693BE89; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Mh29bOcltL-WPCPUCwoA:9 a=eLnygXvPiRuoULmbWi0CD3CF0A4A:4 a=ziFrdkHw70AA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: Digitech Jamman Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:05:23 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:05:28 +0000 (UTC) Does the Jamman loop smoothly? Or does it have a stutter like the Boss stuff? Thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 00:50:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F77A3BE8B; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Return-Receipt-To:Disposition-Notification-To:Message-ID:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=pB/ySHqnZFuX32w2mIK5UqehdnCfAEYz0g9A69irQ2maQyvNiTqkwyXVDzFm/O3v9TnGXOfGGclpiS6RJAu/KMqPCaxtbGUvLUpvzTUfHwUY7LJumLzrIpCAVRWnjQnlojgQUaSYyX8AchZRj+I/AlNAubhS3WJU0xlEkuyCTlE= ; X-YMail-OSG: MgUSotgVM1krGjdaHJb.4588yL7RPI_kacn3BZyQThJaxNTNNIji4M3IVP7onJy3mrGQzmcHPcmadbRzqD.aOXEEV2YafoCndMW3VXfOYZ_9ysHyJWdg9PNZUaudsBwKGwVc7XTye4c_A2GDSkyrYe.01zKz0rItaEZ1QFiERWIiJl.iUSDrbNUXrtue X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1102398420 Disposition-Notification-To:kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Message-ID:<1102398420-1226969432-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1132310002-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:50:19 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:50:35 +0000 (UTC) VGhlIERpZ2l0ZWNoIEphbU1hbiBoYXMgMCBzdHV0dGVyICh3aGVuIGNyZWF0aW5nIHRoZSBsb29w IG1hbnVhbGx5IHZzIGVuZ2FnaW5nIHRoZSBxdWFudGl0aXphdGlvbiBtb2RlKS4uLi4uLi4uLi4u SSd2ZSB1c2VkIGl0IHByb2Zlc3Npb25hbGx5IGFuZCBjb25zaXN0ZW50bHkgMy01IHRpbWVzIGEg d2VlayBmb3IgYXQgbGVhc3QgdGhlIHBhc3QgMnlycyBhbmQgaGF2ZSBzdGFrZWQgbXkgbXVzaWNh bCByZXB1dGF0aW9uIG9uIGl0IGV2ZW4gZHVyaW5nIGhpZ2gtcHJvZmlsZSBnaWdzIGFuZCBpdCBo YXMgYWx3YXlzIGJlZW4gcm9jay1zb2xpZCBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIHBlcmZlY3QgaW4gbWFpbnRhaW5p bmcgdGVtcG8gb25jZSB0aGUgbG9vcCBpcyBjcmVhdGVkLiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICBJIG9y aWdpbmFsbHkgdXNlZCB0aGUgQm9zcyBSYy0yMCBhbmQgMjAteGwgYnV0IHRyYWRlZCB0aGVtIGlu IGR1ZSB0byBzZXJpb3VzIGxhdGVuY3kgd2hlbiBjbG9zaW5nIHRoZSBsb29wIGFuZCBlcnJhdGlj IHRlbXBvIGFmdGVyIHRoZSBsb29wIHdhcyBlbmdhZ2VkLiAgICAgICAgICBJIGRpZCBnZXQgdGhl IGNoYW5jZSB0byBkZW1vIHRoZSBCb3NzIFJDLTUwIGZvciBhYm91dCAyIG1vbnRocyBhbmQgZW5q b3llZCBpdCAoZXZlbiB3aXRoIHRoZSBoaWNjdXApLi4uLi4uLi50byB3aGljaCBJJ20gbG9va2lu ZyBmb3J3YXJkIHRvIHV0aWxpemluZyBzb29uLi4uLi4gIEhvcGUgdGhpcyBoZWxwcy4uLi4uLi4u Li4uLi4uLi4uLi4uS2V2aW4gIkthbGltYmFNYW4iIFNwZWFycy4NCi0tLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1l c3NhZ2UtLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IENocmlzIFNld2VsbA0KVG86IExvb3BlcnMtRGVsaWdodEBsb29w ZXJzLWRlbGlnaHQuY29tDQpSZXBseVRvOiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0 LmNvbQ0KU2VudDogTm92IDE3LCAyMDA4IDc6MDUgUE0NClN1YmplY3Q6IERpZ2l0ZWNoIEphbW1h bg0KDQpEb2VzIHRoZSBKYW1tYW4gbG9vcCBzbW9vdGhseT8gT3IgZG9lcyBpdCBoYXZlIGEgc3R1 dHRlciBsaWtlIHRoZSAgDQpCb3NzIHN0dWZmPw0KVGhhbmtzDQoNCg0KDQpTZW50IHZpYSBCbGFj a0JlcnJ5IGZyb20gVC1Nb2JpbGU= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 00:59:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03B4E3BE8D; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 X-Eon-Sig: AQMLXdxJIhNEYCGd1gIAAAAB,b56deee3d402eea81b429a3b7bbb022b Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--445392182 From: Richard Roberts Subject: A couple of looped flute pieces Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:58:30 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <8dj-9B.A.MY.WNhIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:59:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--445392182 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Nice! Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen "If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC." - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. Hi, I'm glad to back on LD again after a little while off-list. I've posted up a couple of my flute loops on my myspace page http://www.myspace.com/ianpopperwell the two looped pieces are "Ley flute loop" and "in town" They are both live flute loops just recorded with my flute with an SD Systems flute mic going into a TL Audio Ivory 5051 and then into my DL4, a little reverb from a tc M-One-XL. Interested in any comments. Ian. --Apple-Mail-1--445392182 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Nice!

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Hi, I'm glad to back on LD again after a little while = off-list.

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I've posted up a = couple of my flute loops on my myspace page

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the two looped = pieces are "Ley flute loop" and "in town"

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They are both live flute loops just recorded with my flute with = an SD Systems flute mic=A0going into a TL Audio Ivory 5051 and then into = my DL4, a little reverb from a tc M-One-XL. Interested in any = comments.

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= --Apple-Mail-1--445392182-- From elizabeth@t-mobile.co.uk Tue Nov 18 02:13:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3606 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:13:18 UTC Received: from batelco.com.bh (cgpfe1.batelco.com.bh [193.188.97.109]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382EB3BE7E; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:13:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [208.88.120.87] (account yaya@batelco.com.bh HELO User) by cgpfe1.batelco.com.bh (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.9) with ESMTPA id 150418408; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:13:07 +0300 Reply-To: From: "T-Mobile UK" Subject: T-MOBILE AWARD Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 01:12:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: To: undisclosed-recipients:; Customer Services T-Mobile UNITED KINGDOM Hello, This message was sent from T-Mobile to you, You just won a prize from T-MOBILE AWARD ANNIVERSARY the sum of £ 500,000 Pounds Contact person: Mr.Jackson Steve e-mail: infoukdpt2299@yahoo.co.uk Tel: +44-208-144-7674 Also require are; Full Names Full Address Contact Phone Number Country Yours Sincerely, Ms Elizabth. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 05:03:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AECC53BE84; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=glXbrGY4L24u0w4luJ0jZ+OBZrnM2Iz8oP0a6S0zqMbmxVolSmLmqJhfEc9M+LWb0ds4aH/JdN33cUYLMPn4giMcVJEhzX7Aa5C++1Vbw787B0DlUf5Rctgs0OAox+tVH4+8ZUKqN+qVqZXsFh9WCvzFGgZzOobTiSjaidencNI=; X-YMail-OSG: q8jxVqQVM1lfal2SmAGkDXS7hT0ZwoxgJ1IOXlmvJP3Mz6AyS34ezsL6MYG.cGlxGSpaXJTOePvB45tUd.EVes5LUf0lZNoBzhp7UA_hO1df5duJk1.Suen5sIKVZhYR8Bln7w-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:03:32 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081117151405.39910@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <42661.51129.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:03:34 +0000 (UTC) Hey Buzap, I ma interested in the tweak possiblities of the voice tone create,how good is it? i am really interested in its delays,distortions and eqs cheers Luis > ADDITIONAL REVERB > (mic>channelstrip/mixer+compressor>Zoom>Reverb>RC-50) > - I like the TC Electronic VoiceTone Create for Reverb. > Nice compact foot pedal for ca. 220,- Excellent sound with > very detailed tweaking options. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 05:28:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 262263BE8A; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:28:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=maq5MeqkHyxvelxH3+t6v+xm4QPfAYnoFGpMzRSroyJ2Cz1GRTEnlcjef105goe5n2k8K6o6mirmPYmbolhDCEy1/zqDYWPiiSkJswLC7b41CupbxuwAX5LRGaJqkMyA0cnUgbaXGIfS6aB8ygvuKqpENSnWfUdgXGSFvVQAR/A=; X-YMail-OSG: tc2GRMQVM1kF4hrWHR4Fqcb_3PTy8U2Zly3gIMpwUB7zABxEDmwvAKDWX7Pyx0d7nz4zYxVVVuvYTTnD17nyLfpd_J_He.sWNcS8raC2L8qN9J3l43.IYk678NG9DGgYZUPQUzHArBT5Zr7ou_C9_JFntug- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mac Purchase To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <508088.78200.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:28:09 +0000 (UTC) yes this is the one i have and it works great! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Andr=E9 Donawa wrote: > From: Andr=E9 Donawa > Subject: Mac Purchase > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 6:10 PM > Hi, >=20 > I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP > software and bidule > and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping > laptop. >=20 > Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. >=20 > http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890= A/ref=3Dsr_1_1?ie=3DUTF8&s=3Dpc&qid=3D1226786188&sr=3D1-1 >=20 >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Andre >=20 > Andre Donawa >=20 >=20 > http://www.andredonawa.com > http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa > http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 06:02:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AFBA3BE8A; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: RE: Loop software with varispeed Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:01:58 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclFr5jtIYZzuc4yQyeL/yLKK22LqwDje2iw In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <3bEdrC.A.cq.aplIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 06:02:02 +0000 (UTC) I'm a bit delayed in getting in on this topic. Though I still have a Repeater, I hardly use it these days and though the time stretch features and pitch shift capabilities are really cool, I actually don't miss using the Repeater because ultimately, it's well documented shortcomings outweighed its features. I like having different track speeds, and I do a lot of that on the Lp-1. That being said if the LP-1 hadn't come along I'd probably still be using the RPTR, grainy sound, weird time stretch issues , and all. It is a unique animal. Perhaps having other intervals besides octaves would be cool, perhaps any interval within an octave? I'm just not sure how much use that feature would be for me personally. One thing I found with CC control of pitch or track speed that I believe Mark F. mentioned is it is a cool gimmick, Key word being "Gimmick". How many times can you end a song with it sounding like someone turned the record player off? That being said , the ability to record a track at 120 BPM and drop it to 10bpm can result in some startling artifacts. I did like being able to control the Repeaters tracks pitch shifting from my guitar synths arpeggiator, but even that had limitations as far as what kinds of loops and note choices I could use that wouldn't just sound like noisy chaos. I also don't miss dragging my guitar/synth to gigs any more. When I first got the looperlative I set a CC expression pedal to control track speed and I could achieve cool artifact laden pitch bends by leaving the LP-1 in overdub while I rocked the pedal back and forth. I haven't done it in a while but as long as you back off the feedback so as not to overload the track, you can create some cool pitch bending noise with this technique. As far as pitches I'd, use octaves ,4ths,5ths, and 2nds. As far as time stretch. It would be cool to be able to change pitch without changing tempo like the Repeater could, accessible via midi note and hopefully with user definable tonal center. The repeaters three octave range radiated out from middle C, with two octaves below and one octave above. I'd like to be able to user define which note on the keyboard is acting as the tonic. Does that make sense? So whats up your sleeve Andy? Bill -----Original Message----- From: andy butler [mailto:akbutler@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:15 AM To: LD Subject: Loop software with varispeed a quick questionnaire for anybody interested. If you were suddenly granted the wish of having varispeed (pitch change with associated tempo change) in your looping device of choice, how would you want it to work? (One way would be to control it by midi note and pitchbend, for instance.) Would you want extreme range of control even if it caused digital artefacts in the sound? If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth Any other dreams? andy butler From Sicurezza@BancoPosta.net Tue Nov 18 08:40:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 123756 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:40:23 UTC Received: from mail.cometesrl.com (host2-166-static.38-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it [85.38.166.2]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDC83BE7F; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:40:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [79.123.190.1] by mail.cometesrl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AB54BFF0078; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:14:44 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Poste Italiene" Subject: Nuovo sistema di sicurezza Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:16:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200811162314828.SM01624@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Poste Italiane
 
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--0-1836472111-1227004512=:74378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 11:05:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548E23BE82; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:05:50 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <42661.51129.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081118110550.70380@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42661.51129.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX196bcAsRal6rS1e3+4XRaHaxiXoRrij7e7adHCUoQ T/vuwcY84solecr2f/eKAlyFrOuQTC4WNs7A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 3dVHORZ6ZCEEScdhnm0h8814IGhpZUY8 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis > I ma interested in the tweak possiblities of the voice tone create,how > good is it? i am really interested in its delays,distortions and eqs I really love it and it's an essential part of my vocal fx chain. I can tell you more, but just briefly: Reverb sounds great. Both Reverb and Delay (tap, echo, ping pong, limited multi delay...) have tons of options. People think you have to stick to the 99 patches installed. Absolutely not! You can store 99 patches that you tweak yourself and put 10 of them on quick access spots. Tweaking is really great! Especially the audio routing is incredible. On the down side of tweaking: The learning curve is steep (but I can help you with that ;-) and you might even want to keep an Excel sheet with your settings. Once you get familiar with it, however, you can patch it pretty easily. But it's definitely not for tweaking on the fly. Rather, for defining your favorite patches, storing them and that's it. Feature-wise, delay options are great. You can also use Tap Delay with the right pedal button. You can control the pedal buttons also manually, btw. You can also tap tempo for delay. Distortiion is absolutely unuseable!! Either massive feedback or too low volume. There is no compression or EQ. The options for assigning parameters to X&Y knobs is limited. And if you accidentally change a parameter, there is no undo/reset/escap - you have to unplug/replug the power. What is great are the really subtle nuances on Reverb and Delay. Also the modulation (flanger, phaser, pitch etc) is really nice. You can get really interesting effects with it. And again: All the routing options give you a lot to play with. So, it's definitely worth giving it a try, if you: - need a small, robust box for your fx chain that covers Reverb and more subtle FX (delay, chorus, flanger etc.) - are willing to invest some time for tweaking/experimenting - are happy with a basic set of (customized) fx patches that you don't want to tweak/modulate on the fly. best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 11:14:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A4D3BE8A; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1CFEEF9D-9149-47F1-856A-A878E738AAF3@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: loopers delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: repeater / complete midi implementation chart Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:14:19 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:14:23 +0000 (UTC) morning, does anyone have an idea, where to get complete midi implemetations charts for - the Electrix repeater, both software versions, and - the Lexicon Jamman? eventually? i didn't check the repeater list yet, as i figured, that there's more repeater users on loopers delight... the repeater list seems to only deal with CFC issues these days... My idea is to build Wii remote control patches with max/msp for both loopers, actually as a self-teaching project for myself. I'd be happy to share the results. Thank you very much in advance. - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 12:49:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D7EF3BE8D; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=o6d4e/DX6gcyb3A8JOha1cJNv+YUJSMPQnV83Mrbz04=; b=eJtD/sT3SKOUJsFrspmEzhs+PUH9MlwermVof/NEpAWUvSuzF90HZhFQjbApUVHD4S Phwy4E4zt6tfZs5H/MVl2FC8uCGCTJgzJBc0zxUtZNfLg08v7746NHrNzdETOlzhfwxx 07BrB4xVb4qhkwydhYo+xTn3an16ggRiJOxrY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=iEhFZ3OWduoaihumK+wEEsD/ikCg+TTmu8ZJivmPfljQuHnASF3Tzvy09+SOLZ5O3T kfifGT29ApxNzKvZvAj6cdTGzFk0vxtccIqnMKlMR0T20srGHhridLYQ0RmWBswrXwf5 nrFCwBAwrlEcZas3CcJFQ7ARIFvScAL4DD4JE= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:49:26 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: "Buzap Buzap" Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:49:28 +0000 (UTC) I like the idea for using an expression pedal set to current loop but I was also wondering how I can control the input volume since I'm using a clip on mic. I see overdub mode as momentary punch in which would be perfect if it didn't erase the previous audio. Can you use two expression pedals with the rc-50? Todd On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Todd > > sorry, took a while to get back to you... I'm posting this also for the benefit of others on the list, hope you don't mind. > >> I'm real tempted to go the hardware route >> Although I do have to buy more components I think I could get an >> rc-50, reverb, delay effects for a 1000 which seems like is the >> minimum just to get a laptop.... > > Well, do you really save that much - or at all? > Let's compare - assuming your need for one mono instrument: > > LAPTOP SETUP (minimum): ca. 1400,- EUR > - "old" Macbook white with Firewire (ca. 950,-EUR) > - FCB1010 Midi Pedals (140,-) > - Echo AudioFire 4 (290,-) > > RC-50 SETUP (minimum): ca. 750,- EUR > - RC-50 Loop Station (370,-) > - Expression Pedal, Footswitches: (>100,-EUR) > - Zoom G2.1u MultiFX Pedal (140,-) > - Minimixer (i.e. Mackie 402 VLZ3) (130,-) > > now, the RC-50 Setup is really the bare minimum. My RC-50 setup alone (without FX etc!) cost me roughly around 800,-EUR when you count all the pedals, switches, AB-boxes etc. > > RC-50 SETUP (with additional gear): ca. 1350,- > - RC-50 (370,-) > - Expression Pedals, Footswitches, Adapter cables (>200,-) > - Nobels AB-V Switches (2x for stereo= 100,-) > - Simple Channel Strip, i.e. Joe Meek ThreeQ (200,-) > - Voicetone Create, for Reverb (230,-) > - Zoom G2.1u for MultiFx (140,-) > - Minimixer, i.e. Mackie 802 VLZ3 (220,-) > > The laptop setup described above for 1400,- EUR can do pretty much all the things as the RC-50 setup for 1350,- EUR. Here, I would definitely opt for the more flexible laptop solution - if I were to start with a new setup. > > I don't think MacBooks are a problem concerning memory nowadays. The old MacBook models have a pretty good price now (with firewire). > Motu did have a bad reputation for PC drivers - but I haven't heard anything bad the last years and I've checked with several people selling it. > I would also recommend the Echo AudioFire 4 for a cheap (even cheaper) alternative if you don't mind only 4 in/outs. Seems very stable and people like it. > > nice playing, btw :-) > > Buzap > > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 12:57:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342153BE8C; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gsnXosaflzkYm8p8-wgA:9 a=j3UXStDW3BK7efl-cGyAPUg6xaYA:4 a=c_X53KJEC-cA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: RC50 for sale. Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:57:12 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <0zs-yB.A.W2F.surIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:57:16 +0000 (UTC) $325 plus shipping. Paypal only. Thought I offer to you guys first. Its in perfect working order. There a just a few scratches throughout. Nothing major. Includes box, manual, additional manuals, disc, updated firmware. Let me know. My paypal address is different, so contact me first. Chris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 13:33:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97BDB3BE8B; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:33:12 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081118133312.78320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19SEMFh12xSpPrRrpjg2RHhFk/Xk1OasX9aTCtosI 2SO9tF5qn/AV+utNfAFgxVBD2y5DVPNTNN0A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: fqBKBKN/bHIhUdsjwjU0rdsiJihyalA2 X-FuHaFi: 0.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:33:16 +0000 (UTC) > I was also wondering how I can control the input volume since I'm > using a clip on mic. No, just 1 expression pedal possible on the RC-50. But why not just use an additional volume pedal in your signal chain before the RC-50 audio in? or: simply play quiter/louder ;-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 13:47:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8A3C3BE8B; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=pnssT6ufv5rpo9x1oUJ9oWiQWrRdA56nXOwNOr8nvBE=; b=HlZzY+HZc3xHV93rhgcR4+wnVX27yK23kde2gS85CmxcBucOF4Adv2tQunypyK0JXO 9r6z6PnXpKoZbEmI6Zsb7x8LqGMafQCQx3briC5shHFsA4d94hZ4kcVvbq8CctKC9Mcy A9Twx/WKBmhy93hGIOBhFzV0nPmVV7PKN5hkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kPgewfamDc4WnuYOxW4sO7wNppoSc9XRDTnnYiIdW0/wvqsKziw2V+ZjyuGW5eDL6D +9JtkqgJwlyhsunjTBn7gHf+9VwdHXp48pOObl5rvaO/fK4LmXNxK6DTjso9mOc2FknI KTps4BGSR7mx5goXY9naNiPtEJxX6kDYQG/rg= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811180547p3cbe653ds8ad4b112061db07b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:47:04 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison In-Reply-To: <20081118133312.78320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> <20081118133312.78320@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:47:06 +0000 (UTC) I didn't mean to use it for dynamics:) Sorry I should have been more clear. Just some way to have the microphone only on when I playing so noise doesn't build up in the loops, and the sound from other loops get recorded into your current loop. I was thinking if there was some way to only have the mic recording when you play instead of the mic be on for the entire length of the loop regardless if your playing or not. I figure it won't completely solve the problem but keep it to a bare minimum. I know a pickup would solve the problem instead of a mic but I already went through that whole adventure:) I tried lots of piezo pickups and sent them all back.They all sounded awful on my bass. Playing pizz would sound fine but arco sounded like a was playing a power tool:) The closest thing to a usable tone was using an akg c 411 like Zoe uses but that picked up too many rattles inside my instrument. I play on a really old instrument and throughout the seasons and change of humidity you can get all kinds of noises. They aren't heard in the room but a contact mic against the body picks them up real well:) I think the best solution would be an electric upright bass because there are some that sound good playing with the bow but that's way out my price range at the moment. A volume pedal might work but I'm playing double bass sitting down so I just have to figure out how many foot/expression pedals I can realistically hit with my foot while holding a double bass and sitting:) Todd On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:33 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> I was also wondering how I can control the input volume since I'm >> using a clip on mic. > > No, just 1 expression pedal possible on the RC-50. > But why not just use an additional volume pedal in your signal chain befo= re the RC-50 audio in? > > or: simply play quiter/louder ;-) > > Buzap > > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal f=FCr Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 14:30:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF7E83BE7F; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:30:21 -0500 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: repeater / complete midi implementation chart To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <4922D17D.3020500@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:30:29 +0000 (UTC) The 'Files' area of the Yahoo Repeater group has a folder called 'MuchLove! repeater 2.1.04 Happy happy!' in which you'll find a file called 'rep201manual.pdf'. This is not a complete midi reference, but includes all the commands for controlling the looper using Continuous Controller messages or Note messages. An older version may also be found there in folder 'Documents and Such' and is called 'manual_repeater_v1_3.pdf'. -- Dan Ash White Plains, NY Always remember that you're unique. Just like everyone else. > Subject: > repeater / complete midi implementation chart > From: > jayrope LD > Date: > Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:14:19 +0100 > > To: > loopers delight > > morning, does anyone have an idea, where to get complete midi > implemetations charts for - the Electrix repeater, both software > versions, and From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 15:41:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAF733BE7E; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:41:26 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811180547p3cbe653ds8ad4b112061db07b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081118154126.218650@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> <20081118133312.78320@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180547p3cbe653ds8ad4b112061db07b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19PB21CvfRPZ/qb3/rOH+HE1y5rBvDcBUpJxYVyr5 C43JcEZTKipqokCh2rVuxkw7i4cHlggvcpdQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: QotHCAchfW47Y5NBjGRoxUdudmllcgUS X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Hi Todd as an alternative to a volume pedal, you could use a footswitch (on/off). Buzap -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 15:57:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 164313BE81; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:57:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=A5N++VWDoJa0eb4xeymW35KNxIM2fvqiQWQ9rBVL+rRYvgtPs1g2ETa2gXCH9eq5ULI+eLw1RE8RR55OKkuUExuzSMKENe4GjEzS3HKEpKFsmFe/N/zIwkGboWk7nFHDLFqx4EztKVOvTxV1xrSxvcgkhbmiy6auRp9RjPQ5JxA=; X-YMail-OSG: l7IbPAcVM1kiCAIrpo2wTHi07kwoRiiP2uKo3Zc1K2btOZ67vnn3t7O9bsOVEofDxQtPCAXbN8d6NzX_wwM35uOcW76bagH.hvC0SwznZ75FPS0N98pERSxBIUWCLvLQN3g4t8OTfauzhp2ilnlqPXDu6I0JWuyCIetx3Ln_9OqhxcRbcZyzLenuhZhGdT.CRNJkLT1I1KKyXBU- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 07:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 vs. upcoming competition,the boomerang III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081118133312.78320@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <806495.51039.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_FEGQC.A.TiC.bXuIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:57:15 +0000 (UTC) any thoughs pros and cons on this 2?the boomy is not out yet but for my taste i think i would go for this one,it has a lot of features as the RC-50 but more compact and the resampling feature is what would sell it to me,also it has 4 independent loops as oppose to 3,i am not really interested in midi or drum machines and this would fit nicely on a pedalboard.A mic input would have been nice though... http://www.boomerangmusic.com/Rang%20III.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 16:02:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DE3C3BE81; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=S26HR9fdolO86Dcx1v8Mo9qhJCS3SJzCqtNDXVvor8S7MtBYocxrdXsZw7By6Gq7rVp6D/wDj+q7CwL/nEjcvyPXqIt20ZtOG3ZlWcrMBgpUeCqNV7Z0FFcoIYBtbaDKqaRZP+QoygXmcHuyQQhzVssXf8ahBpawSacT4srwJDI=; X-YMail-OSG: kJJsqGYVM1lxhJk1YL.A6ZLPM_oqG_vZyNZrvaFraDHbR8fqAdDdjvHee7SPr7H4WUOyRsf6vVXwAJWRrmLGfJSik3nm4Q.0AxtA9fNM7gqLYzjsMPvMlEQAFwcSQ6YGTWShhTGQs_PrOtHcJ2wbtAU83LTj_RaqXLKYJxhl1kwyh.cVT4CT.PGau7O.ObkJo5j.FUD6WwCk_78- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:02:53 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081118110550.70380@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8PFuXC.A.-sC.xcuIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Buzap,i am debating between this one and the digitech vocalist 4,i ca= nt believe there is no EQ on the tone create!what if u want those telephone= type effects?but yes nice long reverbs and delays for soundscaping is also= what i am very interested in,i just love how small they are! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Tue, 11/18/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > From: Buzap Buzap > Subject: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 3:05 AM > Hi Luis >=20 > > I ma interested in the tweak possiblities of the voice > tone create,how > > good is it? i am really interested in its > delays,distortions and eqs >=20 > I really love it and it's an essential part of my vocal > fx chain. >=20 > I can tell you more, but just briefly: > Reverb sounds great. Both Reverb and Delay (tap, echo, ping > pong, limited multi delay...) have tons of options. >=20 > People think you have to stick to the 99 patches installed. > Absolutely not! You can store 99 patches that you tweak > yourself and put 10 of them on quick access spots. >=20 > Tweaking is really great! Especially the audio routing is > incredible.=20 > On the down side of tweaking: The learning curve is steep > (but I can help you with that ;-) and you might even want to > keep an Excel sheet with your settings. > Once you get familiar with it, however, you can patch it > pretty easily. But it's definitely not for tweaking on > the fly. Rather, for defining your favorite patches, storing > them and that's it. >=20 > Feature-wise, delay options are great. You can also use Tap > Delay with the right pedal button. You can control the pedal > buttons also manually, btw. You can also tap tempo for > delay. > Distortiion is absolutely unuseable!! Either massive > feedback or too low volume. There is no compression or EQ. > The options for assigning parameters to X&Y knobs is > limited. And if you accidentally change a parameter, there > is no undo/reset/escap - you have to unplug/replug the > power. >=20 > What is great are the really subtle nuances on Reverb and > Delay. Also the modulation (flanger, phaser, pitch etc) is > really nice. You can get really interesting effects with it. > And again: All the routing options give you a lot to play > with. >=20 > So, it's definitely worth giving it a try, if you: > - need a small, robust box for your fx chain that covers > Reverb and more subtle FX (delay, chorus, flanger etc.) > - are willing to invest some time for > tweaking/experimenting > - are happy with a basic set of (customized) fx patches > that you don't want to tweak/modulate on the fly. >=20 > best regards > Buzap >=20 > --=20 > Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - > Telefonanschluss + DSL=20 > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* > http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a=0A=0A=0A From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 16:29:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D148F3BE85; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Pk934Zw3hl3fXUhqQj6bMOthQH564f+zhgLgmd2hxrEVJ5CzUiOKwoeTUYh7UoigKFj9dsZoTUxhaaF67xfuBrF064YwNEKwqa2Fc2bhYO2Gl89cjr53TZlxhA+Ds9lr6shP4rrbiZi2AI/nF/nU5RrYPyQzS90OdjCIgA488Gs=; X-YMail-OSG: QjspdGYVM1mWQ5jnxFE41V2pyeLkefOE8nKcVC1AZtzmCAIMre9hv6npH4tDmAZcvk_UgX7UIg2V7EDW19_zQADZOmEK_tJb5HQuWXLwo.WDg0U9jrtzn1HWpr5mv1Ymj_tsQ8W8X_uO.vAkcGvH6dSXi8bwJRNSTPG1Mizn X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: Re: art as entertainment/experimental/avant-garde, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081118133317.351AB3BE8F@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2133508737-1227025712=:10867" Message-ID: <146171.10867.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:02 +0000 (UTC) --0-2133508737-1227025712=:10867 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii oh, the other thing i forgot to mention: generally the Avant-Garde was usually reacting against the taste of the middle class (or when we were studying the art world of Paris in the 1800's-the bourgeoisie). i suppose the correlation for music and "experimental music" is that it is generally music that has nothing to do w/ "pop music". of course these definitions and classifications shift and change w/ time. example: beatles and others using ideas of music concrete w/in the context of pop songs of the 60's or the whacko synthesizer sounds of 60's/70's becoming the "new wave or synth pop" of the 80's. and the last idea associated w/ avant-garde/modernism (in visual arts) was the idea of artists looking back a bit (borrowing or stealing from the past) to push ideas forward (my examples above)(music reference i'll give here: nirvana-how new and fresh it sounded in early 90's, but when you read some k. cobain interviews-amazing to hear the amount of pop music he was influenced by, as well as numourous underground punk bands that never saw the light of day, etc) in conclusion-i have no conclusion-just a few things i forgot. the joys of getting old. RC collier did have some good points too, and i will 2nd the idea that there is not a ranking system in art, hence the ideas of post-modernism and the downfall of the idea of originallity, as well as all the romantic ideas of the lone/brooding artist, etc....about the only ranking system is based on business scales of monetary exchange-in music-you release an album (or did in the old days), it sold x-amt, that becomes quantified by music business system, and that exists in art world too-gallery sells old painting by dead artist for x-amt of huge amt of money, etc, etc....(or the stuff that makes interesting stories-dead artist sold little to nothing in his lifetime, after death, work becomes collectable, sells a lot, ie: van gogh, reason: the viewer of his day thought that he couldn't draw very well) oh well, back to looping.... s--- --0-2133508737-1227025712=:10867 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
oh, the other thing i forgot to mention:

generally the Avant-Garde was usually reacting against the taste of the middle class (or when we were studying the art world of Paris in the 1800's-the bourgeoisie).

i suppose the correlation for music and "experimental music" is that it is generally music that has nothing to do w/ "pop music".
of course these definitions and classifications shift and change w/ time. example: beatles and others using ideas of music concrete w/in the context of pop songs of the 60's or the whacko synthesizer sounds of 60's/70's becoming the "new wave or synth pop" of the 80's.

and the last idea associated w/ avant-garde/modernism (in visual arts) was the idea of artists looking back a bit (borrowing or stealing from the past) to push ideas forward (my examples above)(music reference i'll give here: nirvana-how new and fresh it sounded in early 90's, but when you read some k. cobain interviews-amazing to hear the amount of pop music he was influenced by, as well as numourous underground punk bands that never saw the light of day, etc)

in conclusion-i have no conclusion-just a few things i forgot. the joys of getting old.

RC collier did have some good points too, and i will 2nd the idea that there is not a ranking system in art, hence the ideas of post-modernism and the downfall of the idea of originallity, as well as all the romantic ideas of the lone/brooding artist, etc....about the only ranking system is based on business scales of monetary exchange-in music-you release an album (or did in the old days), it sold x-amt, that becomes quantified by music business system, and that exists in art world too-gallery sells old painting by dead artist for x-amt of huge amt of money, etc, etc....(or the stuff that makes interesting stories-dead artist sold little to nothing in his lifetime, after death, work becomes collectable, sells a lot, ie: van gogh, reason: the viewer of his day thought that he couldn't draw very well)
oh well, back to looping....
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--0-2133508737-1227025712=:10867-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 16:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B3D63BE87; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <61323.65.48.1227025789.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <1c3a4db00811170802t594f2defm7cfd5881cbe59a35@mail.gmail.com> References: <60214.65.48.1226801419.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <61584.65.48.1226862187.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> <1c3a4db00811161215w69912737v19ad979af0f4090d@mail.gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811170802t594f2defm7cfd5881cbe59a35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:29:49 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: Mac Purchase From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Thanks again Marcus and Nic. Some useful info. I'm probably not going to make the jump until next year, but I'll probably be going the macbook route. On Mon, November 17, 2008 12:02 pm, marcus kirby wrote: > Ahhh, my bad :) > > The wiki for macbooks has good information that compares the different > models since they were initially released, and explains which ones can > only > accept 3 gb max. > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Nick wrote: > >> the ram limit is dependant on the general model of the macbook, and >> does not vary by color. I believe the core 2 macbooks support either 2 >> or 4 gigs max. for some reason i think it's 4 but i'm not that sure. >> regardless, 2 is plenty for nearly anything. >> >> harddrive size is also upgradeable regardless of the model, and you >> can install a new harddrive if you want without voiding the warranty >> (as well as upgrade the ram) for less than just buying a new black >> macbook [data as of the last time both were offered on the apple >> site]. >> >> processor speed doesn't really matter when doing music things. In, >> fact it doesn't really matter with almost everything apart from >> massive number crunching. small variations that is. >> >> Andre, did you mean the white macbook or the macbook pro? either way >> it's a good choice, i'm just wondering, as there is only one color of >> macbook pro ( >> >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 12:15 PM, marcus kirby >> wrote: >> > Eh....the black and the whites aren't the same as far as gb of ram and >> > harddrive size. Also, the black ones have a processor speed that is a >> little >> > bit faster. >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM, André Donawa >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thanks Nic, >> >> >> >> Think I'll go for the white macbook pro. >> >> >> >> Andre >> >> >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com >> >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa >> >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa> >> >> >> >> On Sun, November 16, 2008 12:50 am, Nick wrote: >> >> > I believe that one would work great, however the black macbooks are >> >> > far more expensive than the same thing with white plastic case >> >> > instead, so i'd recommend getting a white one. also, there are some >> >> > amazing deals around on last gen macbook pros for around 1400, so >> for >> >> > not much more money you could get an amazingly nicer machine. >> >> > >> >> > -Nick >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:10 PM, André Donawa >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm looking to upgrade my system for for the new EDP software and >> >> >> bidule >> >> >> and was wondering if this is a good candidate for a looping >> laptop. >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this the one that was being mentioned recently. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Refurbished-MacBook-2-4GHz-Intel/dp/B0019N890A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=pc&qid=1226786188&sr=1-1 >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> Andre >> >> >> >> >> >> Andre Donawa >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.andredonawa.com >> >> >> http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa >> >> >> http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > Andre Donawa Barbados Guitar School Woodside Gardens Bay St. St. Michael Barbados 11157 Tel: 246-228-2480 (Office) 246 436 8294 (School) http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 17:18:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B1C53BE85; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=dOXNBrtkCd6bIy1JPdcspDbck2Rju3t/RvNVYV2qyX/UeWSjCHCOhD3IYZwea4DP2YtXYovpoG/ChUlTvXmMU4HcPrfdxxgNj/fxr/jef4ewTldubzvDEoAYpvauWRNzUGnoXS/TioA1t3JyuVkw05+g1zLB+VZjVAOzaR3uFxA=; X-YMail-OSG: 8R6fHVEVM1lIZHYVPRCOxB7KQXQQvvMD15BKv78Jr5d2HFrBnHrWeZr0IQuJWMDZTmj5MXpfkhFF74H5HbpNTtNhcThjVCx4j5EonQff_JZRJoUYRaQtf6LAJUvBFdlTkXfJB_5NMKRJmx5xdIqptWW08V0nMFEkJ.Q2p.X1SqagnWxx_oZDZZJb5d0PZZIPV5B3r0lAgBNVBss- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:18:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <883983.11406.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi gang, is there a good acoustic guitar software outhere like for ex.guitar rig but more for acoustic? essentials would be good analog delays,parametric and graphic eqs,reverbs octave pitch shifters and booster with the ability to be controlled by a midi FC. Also vocal harmonizers with efx such delays,reverbs,eqs etc. i would like to try this with mobius and see if i could minimize floor space. Thanx! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 18:20:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D6463BE89; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:20:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081118182034656.A02ED1C00081@mwinf1904.orange.fr Message-Id: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: upgrading my MacBook Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:20:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:20:36 +0000 (UTC) http://www.smalldog.com/product/71684 I was thinking of putting this drive into my Macbook so that I wouldn't have to use an external drive whenever I use it for audio. Is 5400 RPM enough? Does anyone know why Apple doesn't recommend 7200 RPM for MacBooks? I have the white MacBook1,1 with the 60GB HD and 2GHz Intel processor. Apparently it won't read the 2 GB RAM sticks - I thought it could. Does anyone know? Thanks for your patience, Doc myspace.com/docrossi From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 19:53:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA7653BE84; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c949b7$54321160$6400a8c0@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <42661.51129.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081118110550.70380@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Resent-Message-ID: <5FlFI.A.Ta.-0xIJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi, you can also download the Voicetone Create's 'Advanced edit manual' from the tc Hellicon site. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:05 AM Subject: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) Hi Luis > I ma interested in the tweak possiblities of the voice tone create,how > good is it? i am really interested in its delays,distortions and eqs I really love it and it's an essential part of my vocal fx chain. I can tell you more, but just briefly: Reverb sounds great. Both Reverb and Delay (tap, echo, ping pong, limited multi delay...) have tons of options. People think you have to stick to the 99 patches installed. Absolutely not! You can store 99 patches that you tweak yourself and put 10 of them on quick access spots. Tweaking is really great! Especially the audio routing is incredible. On the down side of tweaking: The learning curve is steep (but I can help you with that ;-) and you might even want to keep an Excel sheet with your settings. Once you get familiar with it, however, you can patch it pretty easily. But it's definitely not for tweaking on the fly. Rather, for defining your favorite patches, storing them and that's it. Feature-wise, delay options are great. You can also use Tap Delay with the right pedal button. You can control the pedal buttons also manually, btw. You can also tap tempo for delay. Distortiion is absolutely unuseable!! Either massive feedback or too low volume. There is no compression or EQ. The options for assigning parameters to X&Y knobs is limited. And if you accidentally change a parameter, there is no undo/reset/escap - you have to unplug/replug the power. What is great are the really subtle nuances on Reverb and Delay. Also the modulation (flanger, phaser, pitch etc) is really nice. You can get really interesting effects with it. And again: All the routing options give you a lot to play with. So, it's definitely worth giving it a try, if you: - need a small, robust box for your fx chain that covers Reverb and more subtle FX (delay, chorus, flanger etc.) - are willing to invest some time for tweaking/experimenting - are happy with a basic set of (customized) fx patches that you don't want to tweak/modulate on the fly. best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From h.m772@msn.com Tue Nov 18 20:14:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:14:51 UTC Received: from bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.213]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA2F3BE7E; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY116-W48 ([64.4.38.148]) by bay0-omc3-s13.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:09:47 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_61729fee-6bfe-4a49-8630-0d61e92d2a59_" X-Originating-IP: [80.89.176.36] Reply-To: From: hajia mariam Subject: Dear Beloved, Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:09:46 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Nov 2008 20:09:47.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[9AD00030:01C949B9] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_61729fee-6bfe-4a49-8630-0d61e92d2a59_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Beloved=2C=20 Due to the sudden death of my husband General Abacha the former head of sta= te=20 of Nigeria in June 1998=2C I have been thrown into a state of hopelessness = by=20 the present administration.I have lost confidence with anybody within my=20 country. 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= --_61729fee-6bfe-4a49-8630-0d61e92d2a59_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 21:24:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADF913BE84; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=i7lksgjNwL7OH02jYNyqux8L/8hUb0kq2BkpIPUw948=; b=a2vZiesPc6cgFgwDaYvAyDF+ovQ3Nw8sBq5k6KwFlbGkG96JfIEUx1rbU26xy+LYyg 0Lih0MhbFFUBk7ydQ0oBl41lg5qF/G7Dvy0n3XrjOlifbJpHEda0f/h3Mjl7VGsZUZke DdiJxRuZGGLKI6a++DFV6DUezVDqMryYbq5+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bHyPfkem1OvG6q71WAxBvFzKjU1C+eNuNsGdRz1KomiKPzUfaMGOMiEdGUfrIFG/My df3ZTHIU+T1wBceJySXkUQ9q1oTXcTilkPPFMTx3HFe8iDrX0dZ+brG8NLvDUGBa+IYM mD2Iz90k+TVHbKja122haM03McY2PM5ZQDw1U= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:24:08 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook In-Reply-To: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_104495_2525761.1227043448976" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_104495_2525761.1227043448976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook Polycarbonate macbook - model specifications Should say how many GB of ram yours can take max. On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM, doc rossi wrote: > http://www.smalldog.com/product/71684 > > I was thinking of putting this drive into my Macbook so that I wouldn't > have to use an external drive whenever I use it for audio. Is 5400 RPM > enough? Does anyone know why Apple doesn't recommend 7200 RPM for MacBooks? > > I have the white MacBook1,1 with the 60GB HD and 2GHz Intel processor. > Apparently it won't read the 2 GB RAM sticks - I thought it could. Does > anyone know? > > Thanks for your patience, > > Doc > > myspace.com/docrossi > > ------=_Part_104495_2525761.1227043448976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook

Polycarbonate macbook  - model specifications

Should say how many GB of ram yours can take max.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.smalldog.com/product/71684

I was thinking of putting this drive into my Macbook so that I wouldn't have to use an external drive whenever I use it for audio.  Is 5400 RPM enough?  Does anyone know why Apple doesn't recommend 7200 RPM for MacBooks?

I have the white MacBook1,1 with the 60GB HD and 2GHz Intel processor.  Apparently it won't read the 2 GB RAM sticks - I thought it could. Does anyone know?

Thanks for your patience,

Doc

myspace.com/docrossi


------=_Part_104495_2525761.1227043448976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 21:43:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F9873BE8A; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:43:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TG9oDtSLPn218dH8zQvW/d+PjRGx6KjQailNwTDbfaE=; b=N5uPCL7KDHtV64RMxLCTfs2dRlj6mpiO+fKWUmfXLi4hpuk8BRMPOjs+psXd6kQx6p Kss1keQU6cLKUs8h2BAoHdaW9ZJMUEyMhP1m/bNg8001Gg8HKdq0531yq3vaK7UW0MKe h8aXDjdDPjEQmlUWEKKZ0MrPuVjIh0ggI34pY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TT/Ntwl7kZWBrp8Ys/JLzzcxj6UQWG/8v2ibfNE0kDLPyaS4a6bUlRKDpyuzTbX+PA XYay/IsLdFiyHQgG1kS9ZAJmfBElhKjeLvhjpV6j98RZBhGrg7iffCsLUR8Co5hTvi2y 75Ul3MGt6mfQlE2JagQgoRDcZx2GLiqrCQxcY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:43:09 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software In-Reply-To: <883983.11406.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <883983.11406.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:43:10 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:18 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > is there a good acoustic guitar software outhere like for ex.guitar rig but more for acoustic? essentials would be good analog delays,parametric and graphic eqs,reverbs octave pitch shifters and booster with the ability to be controlled by a midi FC. > Also vocal harmonizers with efx such delays,reverbs,eqs etc. > i would like to try this with mobius and see if i could minimize floor space. > Thanx! > > Luis Depend a little on what OS the computer is running. If using OS X you can find all you need in MainStage (same plug-ins as Logic). However, you can not make eventide type routings in Mainstage (typically feedback effect send loops using Pitch Shifter and Delay). Same plug-ins are of course available in Logic where you also can do that kind of advanced effect signal routing. One advantage of these "host built-in" plug-ins is that they are very easy on the CPU. I especially find the impulse response reverb useful. Ableton Live also offers a good palette of basic effects and advanced routing capabilities (not totally up to the Logic fidelity, but good enough). Runs on both Windows and OS X. If we're leaving the all-in-one type of solutions I can recommend the Native Bundle Package from www.soundtoys.com. Runs only on OS X (if not using Pro Tools, then you can use the plug-in's RTAS versions in Pro Tools Windows) and authorized by iLok. The SoundToys are really about the best available, and especially gratifying for musicians that like the eventide effect tradition. As long as my CPU admits it, I use a SoundToys Pitch Shift rather than Logic's PitchShifter II. Same effect but a tiny bit fatter, more "analog", sounding with SoundToys. They also include advanced effect signal routing "Eventide-style", which means you only have to assign MIDI pedals to the right parameters inside the plug-in to play it live. Even though I like lush plate reverb impulse response reverbs I would do fine with only the tape delay and harmonizer of SoundToys. You can achieve the type of reverb created by vintage tape delays with SoundToys and that's pretty cool too. But there is no EQ coming with the SoundToys Native Bundle. You really need an EQ, so I use Logic/MainStage's EQ and Compressor (no Compressor from SoundToys either). TAlking third-party plug-ins for Compressor and EQ I have owned Sonalksis SV315 and SV517 for many years and found them useful. They sound a bit "analog", but I like that. Sonalksis deliver for both Windows and OS X. For my looping set-ups in Bidule I totally rely on Sonalksis for compressor and EQ. I've even built a three band multivcompressor in Bidule based on those two plug-ins. I wish I wasn't forced to run Mobius standalone on the Mac so I could still run the looper's main output through that home-built multi compressor! I have tried and own many other plug-ins, but I won't mention them because the ones above are those I find good enough for recommending. I'm not a Mac Guy nor a PC guy but tend to chose OS X because of the Logic plug-ins and the SoundToys plug-ins. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From irs@irs.gov Tue Nov 18 21:54:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 6483 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:52 UTC Received: from casjs-bs2-3-e0.astragate.net (casjs-bs2-3-e0.astragate.net [204.13.85.140]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE5A3BE7C for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 21:54:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (112.77.195.213.ibercom.com [213.195.77.112]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by casjs-bs2-3-e0.astragate.net (Secure/Agi) with ESMTP id mAIL3vH19180; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:03:58 -0800 Message-Id: <200811182103.mAIL3vH19180@casjs-bs2-3-e0.astragate.net> Reply-To: From: "Internal Revenue Service" Subject: Please submit your Stimulus Payment online form Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 13:06:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 18 23:30:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 039F93BE8C; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:30:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:30:27 -0500 References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:30:49 +0000 (UTC) yes, you can use 2 expression pedals with the RC-50, if you have them hooked up via midi. you have cc#1 and cc#7 to work with I use the midi solutions pedal controller box to convert expression to midi. works GREAT TEddy On Nov 18, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I like the idea for using an expression pedal set to current loop but > I was also wondering how I can control the input volume since I'm > using a clip on mic. I see overdub mode as momentary punch in which > would be perfect if it didn't erase the previous audio. Can you use > two expression pedals with the rc-50? > > Todd > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> Hi Todd >> >> sorry, took a while to get back to you... I'm posting this also for >> the benefit of others on the list, hope you don't mind. >> >>> I'm real tempted to go the hardware route >>> Although I do have to buy more components I think I could get an >>> rc-50, reverb, delay effects for a 1000 which seems like is the >>> minimum just to get a laptop.... >> >> Well, do you really save that much - or at all? >> Let's compare - assuming your need for one mono instrument: >> >> LAPTOP SETUP (minimum): ca. 1400,- EUR >> - "old" Macbook white with Firewire (ca. 950,-EUR) >> - FCB1010 Midi Pedals (140,-) >> - Echo AudioFire 4 (290,-) >> >> RC-50 SETUP (minimum): ca. 750,- EUR >> - RC-50 Loop Station (370,-) >> - Expression Pedal, Footswitches: (>100,-EUR) >> - Zoom G2.1u MultiFX Pedal (140,-) >> - Minimixer (i.e. Mackie 402 VLZ3) (130,-) >> >> now, the RC-50 Setup is really the bare minimum. My RC-50 setup >> alone (without FX etc!) cost me roughly around 800,-EUR when you >> count all the pedals, switches, AB-boxes etc. >> >> RC-50 SETUP (with additional gear): ca. 1350,- >> - RC-50 (370,-) >> - Expression Pedals, Footswitches, Adapter cables (>200,-) >> - Nobels AB-V Switches (2x for stereo= 100,-) >> - Simple Channel Strip, i.e. Joe Meek ThreeQ (200,-) >> - Voicetone Create, for Reverb (230,-) >> - Zoom G2.1u for MultiFx (140,-) >> - Minimixer, i.e. Mackie 802 VLZ3 (220,-) >> >> The laptop setup described above for 1400,- EUR can do pretty much >> all the things as the RC-50 setup for 1350,- EUR. Here, I would >> definitely opt for the more flexible laptop solution - if I were to >> start with a new setup. >> >> I don't think MacBooks are a problem concerning memory nowadays. >> The old MacBook models have a pretty good price now (with firewire). >> Motu did have a bad reputation for PC drivers - but I haven't heard >> anything bad the last years and I've checked with several people >> selling it. >> I would also recommend the Echo AudioFire 4 for a cheap (even >> cheaper) alternative if you don't mind only 4 in/outs. Seems very >> stable and people like it. >> >> nice playing, btw :-) >> >> Buzap >> >> >> -- >> Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten >> Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser >> > -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 01:43:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D545E3BE89; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_2ae083b9-2f00-4bd3-abad-fd7dadb8ce09_" X-Originating-IP: [207.119.201.116] From: J Johans To: Subject: anyone have a LP1 for sale? 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Sign up today. = --_2ae083b9-2f00-4bd3-abad-fd7dadb8ce09_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 04:44:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12A33BE84; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227069861; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=EsgUAmMb9eHTZm2zdC31JIKwYw4=; b=U3IC4BrqRLONoL4as1b0WoRClelfZU0wI7u4nfTl8OoqauF3jMTgQO641O2adUdo Pu6D2Cn9HeTTSPI43CMoSMoT25ICtQ8LXxPwU7b+XRa5pKkUQq85xtLxUnLxsumF; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wp-fqpoBpewA:10 a=vCNPeDb2zFMA:10 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=n8xgM9Bp00ad7DB2PWMA:9 a=yQKspV-PDFmbBceZ_TgA:7 a=xJMX6QRy95nOKK6vaHu3sJuKucAA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=rCbS6JjwtmAA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000901c94a01$2a8d3610$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <66f9cc1e0811171415r2f8ec8fckc7335c607574de01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Lots of videos and pix posted from Scandinavian Looping Tour Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:30:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:44:25 +0000 (UTC) Per, hip me to where to find the videos, the link doesn't take me to them. Or am I just dense again? thanks, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "loopers-delight" Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Lots of videos and pix posted from Scandinavian Looping Tour > Hi, > > I have uploaded 38 pictures and 32 videos from the 2nd Swedish Live > Looping Tour in May 2008. Rick Walker and I traveled around > Scandinavia for a month with this "Open Stage For Live Looping" > project and played with hordes of awesome guest musicians. > > I've cut out most of the documentation of us eating or making silly > jokes - so no one will see that - which typically happens from not > bringing a dedicated camera person along (meaning I rarely had the > time to both perform music and do filming, but when eating and joking > I had all the time in the world to goof around with the camera. Oh > well...) > > I put it all on Facebook because it was convenient uploading. Here are > the links: > > Pictures: > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8178437050&ref=mf > > Videos: > http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=666476971 > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1794 - Release Date: 11/17/2008 8:48 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 06:19:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D025D3BE87; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=JhUKf00ZbBNEjw/suBJsim83+H6yHtKaycDWBEki83M=; b=XhYGHcyqET2r/oyqrocG0Li5lRE9r3gOucb6i5HWgM+T1uXk9LnGsOiYxggeZQjwpQ Y79zkjpH+VW9CisL4pz2emafj/VOwECvk8vJ1v2VKToJk3EPQwhykYOMYTISx/hxGbv5 lebndMfvjFlBiZD1YDZlt8DwzxDQVH5F5M5B0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Q82BwtLXT9ezFjwZeDLuQclwQMcHyMQCCUVVaGuau2oh1GE/oDjBQw3b4TyuFwdl1z T02XkMIt7AFuUJEGALMdzyydPLn0rnKK5tpS0JQnU7p22qkiwD6e9YMje1A5gGF3UQdz kUjI3puty6oZ3K/4sQiCeZcSBYuVHojB7zqtE= Message-ID: <4923AFEA.5020605@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:19:22 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <2C13E861-72AB-4A50-88AE-AA322445DEC6@gmail.com> <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0811151436i52ccf598q1b9067b84a445191@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811151436i52ccf598q1b9067b84a445191@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: >>> Yes, but what IS Art? > > Controlled madness. > > The aim of art is to define certain specific variables of the > perceived reality and give them new priorities to the beholder. If you > think about it, that is what paranoia and schizophrenia does to us. Well said, I'd put it that way: It is a creative piece of work which helps an audience to connect to the world as is, shows new perspectives to the world as is, in the end helps to survive as a spiritual being, gives a sense for the reason of being, but not necessarily answers... An artist is in charge of that and needs a good connection... Though art does connect to the beauty of this world, it does not need to be beautiful itself to achieve it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 06:42:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA6D3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=jJhAfJj8HJmUhFL94qaSNXSDyALJuJ2XGYjN8zvoV10=; b=vwPki4kaKL1CpVvZcaiPopuO8+EO/PqrOUuiy/9DwfciJ6YreQkEJBwZXbMhPQ/384 oRwTYDVEU0b1WGsOpB9WGEWaxq+jGdua6zEVGm7TURMjWOtK5JA+JLVU8QpT4x5Sc4P1 FvtxcKhYYOzLXghTeWV2MH7KJXAACgveak1Ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=XUgqgtdXfaBux38Im+bGBnImcZ3co4uYBkTZ8Ut+JTNUOHhdma3lBHFgpxfRFqhNJr ePD+lBOX2F2zu0qKheM91WI33jn+E0NvIOuWhkyYE0lzDxiL4ozNnC1FxbupSIp+3vDP rMaI/KIAMdOvhUm7FY3Qj2DbxC9Htpri/LbeI= Message-ID: <4923B538.5020404@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:42:00 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? References: <491AF3DD.9020604@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811120859j17eed00as79056fbe1ce5ed8@mail.gmail.com> <952594.54938.qm@web50309.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <09B87E55E78A49EDBA40E3F946427E76@eluk1> <1C23ABBB-B3A8-4420-84AC-320EDF666546@comcast.net> <10F29973-C125-4A1A-97A5-8466E12C2752@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <10F29973-C125-4A1A-97A5-8466E12C2752@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Jeff Shirkey schrieb: >> I know a blues guy that is "experimenting" with bIII chords. He >> thinks he's a fucking genius. > > I laughed my ass off at this one. I'm not sure if you intended it to be > funny, but I sure thought it was. Thanks. :) If you want to know what is NOT experimental, go to MySpace and look for music labeled experimental. 96.7% is not!!! Does anybody know how to change the labels on MySpace? I have to erase that experimental label, its missleading. I haven't found the place where to change it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 07:38:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CA633BE8D; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:38:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=SUDWX9T2IC6aru5Pf3MYRDEAtgYs+pwCoSQNiInwGDw=; b=QHyAjVVfFifdif0lro/wqqGd6lpBLsK0n9N2BW4zuye/93lEU111Qv1CTBULQt3zJr u1iWORXI+QRRzubSunB6cfBbyHbGPrh8sCa95+w4U0a1Q/M8dwUcdY3b0E5b5ephmhQs 5x5sRol6OOeNw0fJe5qtau3ups/qoIb2DpeuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=fSTBIDuLK1NLWA0elNoaRJ41xuPoMpjuRdy6j+hfHhxCV9yGVICD10WQf40RZirOjS +Sh6xYptrpDqRcscuKHCGw3esQPR5Htd9+XehPUwCIxsYmlm+YudBnTCBPGROfPiS85q 76IGc0Xk5HQdN/H56ZAnZ4TT/hCvcplzCgqBw= Message-ID: <4923C28C.5070305@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:38:52 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:38:56 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use most? > e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth four octaves down... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 08:16:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E5FF73BE8F; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=WXJAEbDK81LM6CmttCL4b1U3eEboukrWfMAOUcxWRkZpLE6y5I7FZfBmgRa2MH2HnWKv1ibQr6uhKi7ATaRfuK4zhYpmzUxpYtI/FtYVWBitEIJZjNzqyAM6U9+grQS3k7nnu1CHXtZ7c2B/GocAzbQqt9lApCvq0EFvf3ieQ+k=; X-YMail-OSG: DOZAZRQVM1n6Y9TdWFRHnJ4OnpYhdi6xqqC0SekgXYb36pqO7ZW3fUeiMpoin_g2QqsopihB4rQMmHlm3OF8rdL.SDcEu1ZdvQ1RYVbTdCI_f5IFukhDqlgdapw_mooFNNjCwMfgALnlbd.RlR8Dh.WkE5Q- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:16:54 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:16:55 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Per! so whats is the current software solution using mobius as a stand alone on my mac if i wanted my guitar routed through a software "pedalboard" system and then go into the mobius looper? i am not really concerened with post looper efx at the moment. I was checking this guys rig out,lots of fx with less pedals on the floor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEu-IyztvG8 Luis > wish I > wasn't forced to run Mobius standalone on the Mac so I > could still run > the looper's main output through that home-built multi > compressor! > > I have tried and own many other plug-ins, but I won't > mention them > because the ones above are those I find good enough for > recommending. > I'm not a Mac Guy nor a PC guy but tend to chose OS X > because of the > Logic plug-ins and the SoundToys plug-ins. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 08:17:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D233BE92; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=tMsFi0kacVmL5+TcWZInXtS3H5jTm0p0EW185TvzTSI=; b=HiR9Uhk76CordZ3AIyUdZ4XYr9ngTjLj7e23hcAI5bpik5hvf3lCCydF4NTr2GXe9i ZOIfgGOVJwyEGp3lsriTMxB+bOyowkZ/kyJHap+hiPk9KibogrG2848ed1kxuXwPMTj7 d0Cu8X3oL90x1rVRDhuxJt7NM49cjIoFtUSBs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=mha9ovmlIva1crho7FHI5Glm9/JLw/2cECkmmKGX7YIzqbXx6G7g9ty9fGJsu9smoT SnDEYXQHgio8kPMbD396KXDW8Y6CFSqnKL0telppHYC2aKGdJKPE09UTDCRIwRMyzmf2 0nC6Sz3yovbPbhIaeBw6yc+pOimkaKdsJdF8I= Message-ID: <4923CB8A.3040006@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:17:14 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rythm versus Pulse (was Loop sw with varispeed & example clips) References: <66f9cc1e0811131340j4c1f477brb29b85140c3c9d5f@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811140201w7d49a1bai9ac70afcd4605962@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811140201w7d49a1bai9ac70afcd4605962@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:17:18 +0000 (UTC) mark francombe schrieb: > which someone is dubiously" calling "polyrythmical". > > I guess we posted at the same time here, Per.. oops sorry... Im sure you > are NOT being dubious about you use of the word polyrithmik.. > > BUT... your clips, nice sounding as they are.. BTW.. do actually prove > my point... they are predominately UN-rhythmic in the first place, more > of the ambient bed type, sound.. Here we could start a discussion about rhythm versus pulse. I'd say every pulse is a rhythm, but not every rhythm has a pulse. Thus it remains rhythmical... Any music has a rhythm I'd call it the sense of time, the way we perceive that a musical event has its correct time. Even my definition of groove would include that. If you ever listened to good free jazz drummers, I'd say they play a groove without a pulse... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 09:04:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F123F3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=xC49RNqg3poMfv/bIPFr2/GIjWrXRkJksk0xiG/dDyw=; b=tJCVCzf0GofHwmFnKklbuxMnPQmZE6r4Yrlrj5xwjfL4QZgQ7zQmU2prb5vB/5nynW dm1lUykggILg+W6Oy9yQUX+/c5+Njp33KmaJ6c/C7F2PXs8i+VmNsL6tRJLBC9825Aiy 2lXSPuUy7WJWWdjyswVMDIYaI7/KCS5vnJ+1A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=bgtb9oAmvS2xTHR4sj4dL9FrYG9SCuOyTYeFydNOsgv2jO/ulWlKh6JjIzgmgjqTlY POsUKrYJHqB/E5Op+4kHoASDtEGvdMn+m3Gfrw6hci1ICZf7utZL+ag/N5p8nGtqbc/i VGpikCqn58WwYIl/5AUoYLDsJdEy74yh/9Knk= Message-ID: <4923D69F.6040707@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:04:31 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Looper wants ta share... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:04:35 +0000 (UTC) Os schrieb: > try soundcloud.com Thanks for the tip. Looks really interesting. Who else is using it? On first glance its not only much nicer and less overloaded than other services, it also comes much closer to web 2.0 ideas than MySpace for example... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 09:06:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A9163BE8C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=lWvJcLM6fYsavklqUE83ZAdOi2S0bYuhhKZqkX+GgdE=; b=LXs4UxzCtB00NGd8PHKTn7W7rwZHP7ilWUhynf89tKrW4SvqrqMvNP79Ke/oR2bSwC GgB0Wscqf20riM8k+Nvb+QXMVwbsBt6IUTc+SwOpBPR2nvLwvSz4pwOXYu4K0lw3j6R0 5Yc3P6GArAO9f1WAATsN5eHB5dZq5objfvB+w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=SLRcEqF7ovyYKV8DI2B3Q1jKqm/hi/ZWuT40sYLUBzSL5H++LDac3/X0yHeuH06oHd AkZq1j41CSd9d4AHpcOj7ILK3VItGhAptdKCRS3MK8dho2j62yP/C5LQiw3P8RV0k07R b1YR2yfKKIa7dDbJEjSyl02dkWhyCZ3QfS9ew= Message-ID: <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:06:13 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: <2iFUC.A.PdD.Kc9IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare protection plan > until one year after the purchase. I still think its an expensive insurance, which even doesn't cover theft or physical harm. I think you can get cheaper assurance which covers more. In case of need you might have more bureaucratic to fulfill though... Warren Sirota schrieb: > yet when i spoke to applecare about my current laptop, they said "logic > board replacements are fairly rare". i find this a bit hard to believe. It is hard to believe, whenever I came across a broken hardware on Powerbooks, they replaced the motherboard in 100% of the cases, even if it wasn't broken (same error after the "repair", because it probably was a broken cable...). I guess that most people asking for help just have software problems. The high price for applecare is probably much more a service contract than an insurance... If you don't know computers get AppleCare, if you know, get an insurance... Stefab -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 09:06:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1ACF3BE92; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=JEtfoMX8Y8fxxubmDRRxdPwQjJMz62Sa/gkUDTIVN2I=; b=WukQgAtEj1VLjmliXZtf188aONnxCBQu1/pq5Ig/MHEVEhLlpxAKqaPIxMWuFIctGc DpUCUvk8eqXGVXTXhrBnOcvWNBPUrXhcV9sIFQh0FOYOMGddt+i0xh367rjm88hRifKw 3Ivf0dsCsnaDt+/6wMEI77TJ7d4HihpaWC6pc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=dbNahliIfDoPVNFycmPNYnYUXSve/lyW806I7KKLWAJuPDxfOihHql8X3UgpKrgUiV JfTr2qITx1/GWihSGqrU+WehZ8qeHmGHxF8iPrQa9CxdAE2FKtVILj47+p0wr7Gv5+5h D7z1SxeknsAQ7X1wCydCHU6BUqUPMzDFpAQGE= Message-ID: <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:06:56 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > i usually approach things on the contrary way. > it works better for me.no counterpoint. no theme, neither variations. > even no bach at all. i had enough while studying piano. You must have had a teacher who didn't force you to listen, but forced you to do something. That really can kill all the fun in music... All what you say above is not a contradiction to form btw... The main point of Xenakis versus all these serial rule based composition methods was to point to the form, and not to the rules applied to musical events... The rules are the tools, and the frame to place music in. The music itself is something else... Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has a beginning and an end... I guess my "Namensvetter" Stefan called his tool Kenaxis because he thinks that Xenakis ideas are an essential contribution to composing music, as well as to improvisation... I agree whole heartedly... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 09:12:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A98D63BE8C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=hEC7871vCLyQnYMtSNkFKLifQdsvm3nF6W0PSuivW3I=; b=X9PzZiAp0qOY3bO5BaszqjfyRzfjCQVf+mjd+mIZF8sUcnam2NP20XdTuCarzk+4py 7muv4IPqUDyS/VwN7GRvi3Wom4YQ7XdUQnjVRyRHEiNUqjICAC+CyKCBtbzHu592UO3M e7k+xbyd1GPfbGsQ47f10geEzilSZ6/cWhnuw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=I5nH7r5edKkh1/GVptYlbN7DloOoS+RsE0C7CEL68QXh8DMDlqfhnN8t9kKSDYJdGK 0eDmgG/UDq0jsWONlgCmK4ZJ5YJCcZmSn1mwVdA4nLzHAJ99Y7j/nNSow6wYY2zy3/G2 GyiLHFUW0Bx2akGiKBTEytwUdqoU08tcA4EYg= Message-ID: <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:12:00 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that > you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in > addition > an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. If controlling pitch with CC, you need to do it with 14-bit precision. The usuall Midi event aimed at that would be pitchbend btw... 7-bit are not sufficient, especially with bigger ranges. 14-bit is sort of ok... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:31:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 400523BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:31:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TDwIPKS7crNkQktbVtdhReBrvNBsHPHY9ip+nwfjFqc=; b=wLONK5Y8K/fmoEVXpi674iYDU+Do8ylTpGOEd/l+kUnC1kmV/GMk5JLN/21NTOZeHw uKDs8iNT2aZUVScgDy3/eaVexaBWKHcx86NoeaLsUXpa/SzkzduymF9B4lSawYlC7V5c 0B3qheDcPpM+eJDLTNyRqe89fR0gVGfAry0pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=nxhmy2CMNhZpVtTxqT9TF/BnyooJUqqanjj+pcUK/HMRaJKZZxMcT834Tzg07kv5E0 sCGRrZkwR6MlkiAaDA8uMRl1EJbKRn2Yxfz765arca7lz35CMa5MqybHdzctb4PKneIN pbLMkqlqyRPP6qNvNPUYuPQ4JJYUovDFEfkYA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:31:32 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou In-Reply-To: <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:31:33 +0000 (UTC) > andy butler schrieb: >> >> Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that >> you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in >> addition >> an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > If controlling pitch with CC, you need to do it with 14-bit precision. The > usuall Midi event aimed at that would be pitchbend btw... > 7-bit are not sufficient, especially with bigger ranges. 14-bit is sort of > ok... Stefan, at first sight I found your message difficult to understand because both MIDI PitchBend and all the MIDI CC's split the data range into 128 possible values. One might of course discuss whether this resolution really should be labeled "continuous" and I guess you were not meaning "MIDI CC" when you wrote "CC", but rather some other CC system with a higher resolution? If so, you're post makes sense. There are indeed other systems around for continuous control that offer much better resolution, but I doubt it would make sense to go into that for the cause of "making vibrato" or "performing virtual scratching" with audio loops. I myself use a higher resolution CC system when composing in Logic by painting automation graphs and in that context it really makes a difference, meaning you hear the smoother transition of sound. On the Repeater I also noticed that it was impossible to use MIDI CC's 128 steps to set up clean pitch intervals. Some intervals sounded out of tune and it wasn't possible to fix that because the musically correct MIDI CC value should have been somewhere between two steps. What a bummer! But when using semi tone note steps I've never had that problem, on the Repeater or any other looper that does pitch change. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:33:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9B73BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=qfYPSsBTGLyl7y8JHBdLdR1qOn4zzewiSBtg0WlV3BE=; b=FJvp00WvQdwRerYtKpihbGQAXXnxxzJTwzJHziHL9//xH0HfoLbodsFJ1DsJMYHRHV Kr6hBSwepnt1JDqzgcylnJbRPPklQObMO6/L174dgJezC7lfvlaWxbEOB5sIthBpgqcG YvSiptNfOfONCfyHy80AJI0q+MzXUseHzRwk0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=qdnHyXm59y9LdC0/iZ/yI+Oporgfb5OT51sMKgutu1BR6LHExiZoO9+dKBaGkJCDmn Be1ukNHsCOd5ZXNWfpTD3Vna2GLwT+r4QrgX+HN+OuiYP2y7aUTDA7pcESH3DZUUazHC rM/Zg9xrUTZ/KLR4K2zjaYAr7KtFryeI3CVEc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:33:29 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: a95574aa72580457 Resent-Message-ID: <7njYIC.A.0IG.6t-IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:33:31 +0000 (UTC) What you really want is OSC. os. 2008/11/19 Per Boysen : >> andy butler schrieb: >>> >>> Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that >>> you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in >>> addition >>> an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Stefan Tiedje > wrote: >> If controlling pitch with CC, you need to do it with 14-bit precision. The >> usuall Midi event aimed at that would be pitchbend btw... >> 7-bit are not sufficient, especially with bigger ranges. 14-bit is sort of >> ok... > > > Stefan, at first sight I found your message difficult to understand > because both MIDI PitchBend and all the MIDI CC's split the data range > into 128 possible values. One might of course discuss whether this > resolution really should be labeled "continuous" and I guess you were > not meaning "MIDI CC" when you wrote "CC", but rather some other CC > system with a higher resolution? If so, you're post makes sense. > > There are indeed other systems around for continuous control that > offer much better resolution, but I doubt it would make sense to go > into that for the cause of "making vibrato" or "performing virtual > scratching" with audio loops. I myself use a higher resolution CC > system when composing in Logic by painting automation graphs and in > that context it really makes a difference, meaning you hear the > smoother transition of sound. On the Repeater I also noticed that it > was impossible to use MIDI CC's 128 steps to set up clean pitch > intervals. Some intervals sounded out of tune and it wasn't possible > to fix that because the musically correct MIDI CC value should have > been somewhere between two steps. What a bummer! But when using semi > tone note steps I've never had that problem, on the Repeater or any > other looper that does pitch change. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:36:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 74CFA3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 109488192/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.232.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.232.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAAF7I0lPRujT/2dsb2JhbAAI0nGCeYNI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,630,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="109488192" Message-ID: <4923ECE6.6050803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:39:34 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > And yet, people very infrequently introduce chromatic randomness into music > (I know, I know.......some do) but they always thing it's cool and hip to > do the same thing to Rhythmic randomness and when they do, it's considered > to be very avant garde or outside and thus, hard for mass culture to take, > aesthetically. > > I think it probably offends my groove sensibility as much to hear this > rhythmic randomness done constantly as it might a Classical composers' > offense at hearing a composition with random Chromatic melodicism introduced. > > Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than melodic or harmonic > randomness? > > They both have very strong effects on the listener. > > Any thoughts? I'm perplexed, frankly. > hi Rick, it's a big subject, so here's some small ideas. Some of the oldest music you'll hear consists of one person beating out a regular pulse while someone else tells you a story. So the idea of a rhythm that flows over the pulse, often having it's timing defined by event length rather than by the underlying meter is about as "non-avant garde" as you could get. Much later in history, we have the invention of counting, and the idea that a rhythm can be defined by it. Closer to the modern day we have the concept that rhythm should fit on a grid. Those modern concepts may capture the imagination, and be very useful to a musician, but need to be learned carefully before they can be used. On the other hand, while simple scales have been around since pre-history, chromaticism is a fairly recent innovation, as are the sophisticated instruments that allow one to play the extra notes. So there's no surprise that rhythmic waywardness is often felt as more acceptable than scalar anomalies. ...and alternately Western music teaching has a lot to say about harmony, and about what constitutes a wrong note, while it has little to say about rhythm. Those teachings have a lot of authority, perhaps to the extent that they change the way an individual might perceive a piece of music. hmm.. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:37:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25B563BE89; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zB6Ujk+ZXZsoikri7YrgmXnjOKQmyZkloh61oo0oR1k=; b=n6PqtqJHycu5nsy1hCWWwKsBhSLTJoK6XFtpt1hHA0nAOGWRP7sBu5dZ36H/Ogj2KJ WxYOb6H9OIfag0KmH5WXF2P6Q5M9RDl5JbzizXh70tccZgEvRXVfy6D4jP09esva85iN FoSZAzp1NVjJbuMZ7fUhmaov5MuxYr6yDva0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CIMRSLE+BEjRmZ3b+jTbAgCxYLPMFdtmyyGLs6S9TOxOHUP5rAgjBaRc4JYIa2tpxb kc7sp7z+lxnqiTyiFa9+GRWoRPu290riHwa1qln8inE21XSqDsnxk4nBqZaBwqbMynKy j/2O8KL5zCC0HkNsxGzuz0nyGSwl0+6X2tuZ4= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190237t4e48f5e8j48013128118ecbeb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:37:38 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Yep. :-) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Os wrote: > What you really want is OSC. > > > os. > > > 2008/11/19 Per Boysen : >>> andy butler schrieb: >>>> >>>> Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that >>>> you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in >>>> addition >>>> an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. >> >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Stefan Tiedje >> wrote: >>> If controlling pitch with CC, you need to do it with 14-bit precision. The >>> usuall Midi event aimed at that would be pitchbend btw... >>> 7-bit are not sufficient, especially with bigger ranges. 14-bit is sort of >>> ok... >> >> >> Stefan, at first sight I found your message difficult to understand >> because both MIDI PitchBend and all the MIDI CC's split the data range >> into 128 possible values. One might of course discuss whether this >> resolution really should be labeled "continuous" and I guess you were >> not meaning "MIDI CC" when you wrote "CC", but rather some other CC >> system with a higher resolution? If so, you're post makes sense. >> >> There are indeed other systems around for continuous control that >> offer much better resolution, but I doubt it would make sense to go >> into that for the cause of "making vibrato" or "performing virtual >> scratching" with audio loops. I myself use a higher resolution CC >> system when composing in Logic by painting automation graphs and in >> that context it really makes a difference, meaning you hear the >> smoother transition of sound. On the Repeater I also noticed that it >> was impossible to use MIDI CC's 128 steps to set up clean pitch >> intervals. Some intervals sounded out of tune and it wasn't possible >> to fix that because the musically correct MIDI CC value should have >> been somewhere between two steps. What a bummer! But when using semi >> tone note steps I've never had that problem, on the Repeater or any >> other looper that does pitch change. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> > > > > -- > os@collective.co.uk > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:47:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC0B23BE94; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Rq8AovH5F074kN5/uSE6CL1GencpmQtZLmsT2E8S2xQ=; b=wLslIrSR6jrYHs5sAW/06NOc9CkryU0J1oD0B+T6D8bt/dkPoG1vMYy2tWxaPSEHzN 5TwoBJd1s9o3g1FuSZyOYrj1Fo5XsC+8ohmB3cKf43cp8Sxu2CANrX3I1erF5kMt1z/y LAfTe85T5I/qEHUpPot+aqwy1p8jXDiYBONoQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=g0+mnu+RVF0LNPJtLhjxaGdIMbS/sXqvZk3NZgPyatcIdDUrnxfpH3uV2u7+OluVKy fB52FcpxOXLM1PPWKW8VqCn0Cpw5vZ27viiJvZnOUZMVquBe1+SdFvPFe+/lgx89m6xa 8ckVXuvQvon6jOwcSk1xo44Ye8Cj5Oszw0nsQ= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190247m437d63eemad0d4e41866bc3dc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:47:24 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Newbie Looper wants ta share... In-Reply-To: <4923D69F.6040707@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4923D69F.6040707@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2SnKxB.A.qtG.-6-IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:47:26 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Os schrieb: >> >> try soundcloud.com > > Thanks for the tip. Looks really interesting. Who else is using it? I've been using it since the first beta version. Have met some loopers list freinds in the sound cloud too ;-)) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 10:58:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B8C13BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081119104727.87BBB3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: changing Myspace music style Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:58:51 +0100 References: <20081119104727.87BBB3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Hey Stefan, you go to Edit Profile -> Listing Info. Greets J - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Does anybody know how to change the labels on MySpace? I have to > erase that experimental label, its missleading. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:03:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6F653BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5AF066D5-1FB2-4045-9C71-8E3389EB0F09@kliklak.net> From: jayrope LD To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081119104727.87BBB3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:03:03 +0100 References: <20081119104727.87BBB3BE95@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <5hLgMB.A.oaH.vJ_IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Any extreme range possible, please. As far as i understand there's limits to pitching only, becuse developers think, that either for them it doesn't soudn good to pitch extreme or they think it's not needed. It's both the opposite: extreme pitches sound as wonderful as others, and one needs them all over all over the place as a freely phatasizing musician :) Programming a looper for that purpose myself right now, sounds pretty awesome already. jrp - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:47 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Re: Loop software with varispeed > > > andy butler schrieb: >> If there were just a few selectable pitches, which would you use >> most? >> e.g. down an Octave, up a fifth From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:18:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4CB3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=3MHutCLdTqs5ck3TSczE8cZ1XnlO+Iv6rOir6vB2Y2w=; b=MsMsB6pupTS832mUrgOjj1e2t+di0dMdt5Q847kh7HttnSmur3dj46G/ekWZUgw6S5 c33MyFaB+kvTvGsDERWz9yiV3q7WFm7AVcY9v4eF59s/jUfSG0fYwk90xKVCC5fTlh8L Yh0uf8mPQDo7OV7Ga/MufzHoV5cN2HQn8J+q4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=KSfQJ2J7hLQUPG8L2YDLJ0cEIRpBDwP/gxLpUXPAO4fw93hkMEVXTI842Aj+KMKntK S29353OKen8vy2BCJHyeXgJNUGVpkdgSEzRYnONzW1Br0jGZlL3sAX4EfL+TRSX2nkCE 9EnhZOM/n61TzjMiRMUriBThu+Vz/OwUuITWE= Message-ID: <4923F60C.5000903@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:18:36 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: <6Q3SqB.A.z-H.QY_IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > Stefan, at first sight I found your message difficult to understand > because both MIDI PitchBend and all the MIDI CC's split the data range > into 128 possible values. Pitchbend has 16384 possible values, though most wheels don't send this resolution, but they send two bytes of 7-bit values which sums up to 14-bit resolution (pitchbend is a 3-byte Midi message). There is also a high precision controller definition which in fact uses two controller numbers by 32 apart, one for LSB the other for MSB. A software would need to interpret them correctly though, most just listen to the MSB and ignore the LSB... Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:28:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0513BE8F; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=NhyODPzu3wuQblX7OvyTxtxnzyMhe6JOR3pwH/FUUJQ=; b=BFvKTWwXBFmYpfQuUtB73Tkywt0VOm0iqnVoZxNJ37XV1BekvrEGbZcSlWLMGyJjy0 xBpWz4mpl9x05VQgjihhW7THE80+IJ7X+n13QDIyIka1CDfTKPscwZI/74IoM5ITGEGk hRoX4v3wSie78ziWtYB9yA10mSz+kBwl6aDAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=An767vjJfyTybJx3KVDe/KdkY40hivB49weCA96yA9URd2EI7lfZqPRxbva4BQDA5Q /nbHSL3nl9kM5Knv+M9NOnYcxs/X/c1TADBGbORBIM/M65IBNeWBFn/Hi/NAVQ/r/RAR AkStXxajD2QHDd1+Tf4HZjMaGqSJPeu5tyoV0= Message-ID: <4923F866.9060600@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:28:38 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness References: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081114221037.M78947@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:28:42 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker schrieb: > Why does rhythmic randomness seem far more accepted than melodic or harmonic > randomness? Is it? I have my doubts. > They both have very strong effects on the listener. Anything which has a strong effect can be an artistic tool... But I doubt that just random would add any information to the music. Its like the difference between a sine wave and white noise. It doesn't contain anything interesting. Random is only interesting as contrast. But breaking rules or pulses can be very interesting, it doesn't mean you have to use random decisions to do that. I prefer clear decisions over dicing music unless the dice itself is what your music is about (Cage...) Or in short words, break the pulse: yes, random: no... my 2 cents -- Les Ondes Memorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:30:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F122B3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 108968354/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.232.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.232.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAIeHI0lPRujT/2dsb2JhbAAI0meCeYNI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,631,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="108968354" Message-ID: <4923F99D.4010408@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:33:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:30:24 +0000 (UTC) thanks Bill :-) William Walker wrote: > Perhaps having other intervals besides > octaves would be cool, perhaps any interval within an octave? well, there are 128 midi notes available. I reckon the user should have the decision whether to use them all or not. > One thing I found > with CC control of pitch or track speed that I believe Mark F. mentioned is > it is a cool gimmick, Key word being "Gimmick". How many times can you end a > song with it sounding like someone turned the record player off? I've been using the Electro Harmonics Stereo Memory man in a band situation, and as an auxiliary looper feeding into my main rig. I found lots of things to do with the varispeed in those contexts. > That being > said , the ability to record a track at 120 BPM and drop it to 10bpm can > result in some startling artifacts. ahh, the Repeater time stretch. I haven't had enough Repeater time to figure how they did that, ...it's not at all accurate, and seems to generate notes unrelated harmonically to the input....but it's a nice sound > far as pitches I'd, use octaves > ,4ths,5ths, and 2nds. yep, Octave 4th and 5th seem the most popular. What do you do with the 2nds? >As far as time stretch. It would be cool to be able to > change pitch without changing tempo like the Repeater could, accessible via > midi note and hopefully with user definable tonal center. The repeaters > three octave range radiated out from middle C, with two octaves below and > one octave above. I'd like to be able to user define which note on the > keyboard is acting as the tonic. Does that make sense? absolutely. ..but pitch change without tempo change is going to have to wait :-( The edp emulator won't have it, afaik. > So whats up your > sleeve Andy? Matthias asked me to implement varispeed on the edp emulator, so while he's occupied with recent fatherhood I possibly have the chance to weird things up a bit. I've got it working, but it probably needs a bit effort still to de-digitize the sound. ...but in sleeve terms, don't forget that the edp emulator is still pre-beta test, so it's only just past the elbow. best andy > Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:34:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 512AA3BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech Jamman Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:34:36 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 75.11.50.157 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CB1851EF649261_804_2C42_webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 39997-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CB1851EEA5D4B1-804-1578@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:34:46 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8CB1851EF649261_804_2C42_webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I haven't tried the Boss stuff but have only had good luck w/ the Jamman. I especially like that you can upgrade the memory to many, many hours and that it is possible to save your loops when powering down. =-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 7:05 pm Subject: Digitech Jamman Does the Jamman loop smoothly? Or does it have a stutter like the Boss stuff?? Thanks? ? ----------MB_8CB1851EF649261_804_2C42_webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I haven't tried the Boss stuff but have only had good luck w/ the Jamman. I especially like that you can upgrade the memory to many, many hours and that it is possible to save your loops when powering down.

=-) PJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sewell <midifriedchicken@comcast.net>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 7:05 pm
Subject: Digitech Jamman

Does the Jamman loop smoothly? Or does it have a stutter like the Boss stuff? 
Thanks 
 
----------MB_8CB1851EF649261_804_2C42_webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:36:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DBF33BE92; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZcYcnhnHFXx94O3sUlBcICVan8aYLGZPPp2bVuXFvRA=; b=VD0Jn5WltNCfmikYuY4YU8tvsAnL7/1HPIz7rg9qLFD1E8Se13ipD6czF+J7jU4mKt MwBFYwZK6+MlFN6lQHOQsmGmdJik6SuU46rJ8+tYY77Q0S1gAro9+d/Jsdqv7971o2cT 7XGFAKWevzVukqnVNIqESW5WwhMW5Hs3uNsSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=oz9sOy5dEoLQLsG/uQm9tbU/91Du9USd7dv8XUevGX056G91hxAv6pp5QjD4Rlrl8P yv14EB9fGpsVeD15P6y0LpK2Fc3z2KJ0BScSgd5Z/BCh5RjgwA+BF6GSAL+zqNgGA/Z1 MvZWCSw70Bx+SoJ5BJnyC21cnkQcdaZdKOivs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190336l515102f5j28aa2470393afa44@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:36:33 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software In-Reply-To: <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <66h9z.A.0DB.Cp_IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > Thanx Per! > so whats is the current software solution using mobius as a stand alone on my mac if i wanted my guitar routed through a software "pedalboard" system and then go into the mobius looper? i am not really concerened with post looper efx at the moment. Your concerns are identical to mine! I use MainStage on a MacBook as my pre amp sim and effect rig. I also use Mobius standalone on the same laptop. From MainStage I send the output two ways: to the RME box's physical outputs 1-2 and 3-4. 3-4 is routed by physical cables to physical inputs 5-6. Input 5-6 is fetched as the audio input from Mobius. Mobius output is sent to physical output 1-2 (as also my live playing is). Latency compensation for live loops set by ear in Mobius (took some time to get right). The big point in this setup is that I can loop with the "set tempo by first loop" technique. I have set Mobius to send out MIDI Clock into OS X IAC Bus. And I have set MainStage to "get tempo from MIDI input". I guess you could build a similar laptop looping rig by using NI Guitar Rig where I'm using MainStage. I'm not sure though how well GR is following MIDI Clock? I chose MainStage (plus SoundToys Native Bundle) because I already own it, because I like the sounds more than GR and finally because MainStage is quite close to the other live rig I built in Bidule on Windows. There is also this other completely different concept of putting the looper inside a host as a plug-in and set the tempo in the host. I may do that in studio recording situations but I don't regard it an intuitive live looping performance strategy (click track tends to kill the music for me) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:36:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 922193BE93; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=GabMcapPzL6hT3S9bITxKRz3D8VTpDT0i4/MOeF+IV4EmIKoRjOwF5w/YIc3WReM0UVICTh7PWfaH9juyW6nbc1ji5YtMoPPFcNow/ffSccRPzGyIJtd0eaXLYNl8UTRNk7jXpZfUuH+jGgRJiBaY97vhz1kGKY5UmjXhtb7y+0= ; X-YMail-OSG: CwoX1VIVM1lUkAVmwnHOIKcdo_PMwR3u7h6fIGoorS5LRjU41MOeX8N3GLFIxP_u3Mw8j_CkTYJMsy8RPOBDpu4ecDzz7e93cSt8HoQkxAT434oYmdwU1Hxpe1RyfHuvQ.ZAuxpsZpHDCZIjT75b3KtA X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--320715992 Message-Id: <53DE541B-60FC-4813-A1CE-D602804CDF70@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Ableton Live Lite Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:26 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:34 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--320715992 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello guys Need your advice again - I've got Ableton live lite free with a keyboard - can this be linked up to Behringer foor controller for laptop looping? I would really appreciate your help as ever. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com --Apple-Mail-1--320715992 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello guys=A0

Need your advice again - I've got = Ableton live lite free with a keyboard - can this be linked up to = Behringer foor controller for laptop looping?

I = would really appreciate your help as ever.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com



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= --Apple-Mail-1--320715992-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:36:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E748D3BEB2; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081119113637431.695ED700008A@mwinf2826.orange.fr Message-Id: From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24--320706182 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:36:36 +0100 References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:36:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-24--320706182 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Marcus - I never thought to check Wikipedia for Mac info. I'll repeat a couple of previous questions in case anyone here knows - is 5400 RPM fast enough for audio recording without dropouts, and why doesn't Apple recommend 7200RPM for MacBooks? I have tried asking Apple, but it is very difficult to get an answer on a question like this - or at least I haven't been able to find one. Thank you. On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:24 PM, marcus kirby wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook > > Polycarbonate macbook - model specifications > > Should say how many GB of ram yours can take max. > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:20 PM, doc rossi > wrote: > http://www.smalldog.com/product/71684 > > I was thinking of putting this drive into my Macbook so that I > wouldn't have to use an external drive whenever I use it for audio. > Is 5400 RPM enough? Does anyone know why Apple doesn't recommend > 7200 RPM for MacBooks? > > I have the white MacBook1,1 with the 60GB HD and 2GHz Intel > processor. Apparently it won't read the 2 GB RAM sticks - I thought > it could. Does anyone know? > > Thanks for your patience, > > Doc > > myspace.com/docrossi > > --Apple-Mail-24--320706182 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Marcus - I never = thought to check Wikipedia for Mac info. 

I'll = repeat a couple of previous questions in case anyone here knows - is = 5400 RPM fast enough for audio recording without dropouts, and why = doesn't Apple recommend 7200RPM for MacBooks? I have tried asking Apple, = but it is very difficult to get an answer on a question like this - or = at least I haven't been able to find one.

Thank = you.
  
On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:24 PM, = marcus kirby wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki= /MacBook

Polycarbonate macbook  - model = specifications

Should say how many GB of ram yours can take = max.

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:20 = PM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> = wrote:
http://www.smalldog.com/product/71684

I = was thinking of putting this drive into my Macbook so that I wouldn't = have to use an external drive whenever I use it for audio.  Is 5400 = RPM enough?  Does anyone know why Apple doesn't recommend 7200 RPM = for MacBooks?

I have the white MacBook1,1 with the 60GB HD and = 2GHz Intel processor.  Apparently it won't read the 2 GB RAM sticks = - I thought it could. Does anyone know?

Thanks for your = patience,

Doc

myspace.com/docrossi

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= --Apple-Mail-24--320706182-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F49D3BE8A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:40:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=anIXVPb/qVY/6ndNFzbY7s+X6/0u68jQT5xc0inmXh8=; b=MWhJ1DEJcLrlJQh6AgHpg8TrGjMZKXZfryeWWjOZkob147SJRsOCtB/43xjYh3Z1Zx mYSQlwtRGdYgvjE0Cy2KjekISxOFyi57v9lCG8uHj71XBIHzqyac7FhYCf8L30F0gOTq QL+SvBO+xL8tKLvytVN31kv7fDTW6cwnM8LM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=ASvrFUn8+oOwAQBMagCDzHsIcGj6AUzUYDYE3BF32JbIF/RWXrLk+FSWNNcfilwgJH 90nN/qn8lnGZJyFpFCqZbemHD0PqPU3OTyvJgP5qZ+fdgJWogUT7PvLEezuLAZ9SNTHN pXIQuKMhvL2KpG5HZ17LMfS27xqNPipLajfWk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190340i4d389252tde2a4c95d4e87db7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:40:28 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live Lite In-Reply-To: <53DE541B-60FC-4813-A1CE-D602804CDF70@btinternet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> <53DE541B-60FC-4813-A1CE-D602804CDF70@btinternet.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:40:28 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matt Stevens wrote: > Hello guys > Need your advice again - I've got Ableton live lite free with a keyboard - > can this be linked up to Behringer foor controller for laptop looping? > I would really appreciate your help as ever. At the upper right corner of Live's GUI there is an icon to click on to put the application into MIDI Learn Mode. When well into that mode you simply click on a Live graphic controller (fader, button or whatever) and then kick the pedal that sends an accurate MIDI event (note or CC... or PC). If in doubt, check the Live manual. Also be sure your pedal is only sending out one event when you kick a button for a patch. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:44:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64AE83BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 108975115/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.232.211/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.232.211 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIBAAuLI0lPRujT/2dsb2JhbAAI0m6CeYNI X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,631,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="108975115" Message-ID: <4923FCEA.7080805@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:47:54 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: >> andy butler schrieb: >>> Varispeed by midi Note seems popular, I'd be thinking that if you had that >>> you wouldn't need to restrict midi CC to discrete values, but that in >>> addition >>> an unquantised midi CC control would be useful. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Stefan Tiedje > wrote: >> If controlling pitch with CC, you need to do it with 14-bit precision. The >> usuall Midi event aimed at that would be pitchbend btw... >> 7-bit are not sufficient, especially with bigger ranges. 14-bit is sort of >> ok... > > right now I'm trying to figure out Midi PitchBend info. That's 14bit. Unfortunately, 128 steps is the standard that we have to work with for CC. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 11:52:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33913BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qbG5KdeDtkPWEcETloEmkNcX83qTKWHHKe/SSyIqlpE=; b=GVuBc2hQT4QMtzKFDt1un7TdLiSZk9+rWE6yN7KYl782yeT502y3H3nXXwGWGd+G0c FSnKBnJ09SpWduZtfdtQjrl71Zzx14mAamQ9kq7ySKngicrFqM0lj9paMDrYumpoUsXL oUy+slljjcAqmQJwcffknwZmd298ET+q7n+Ko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=joFiYbLVrYC7HvNYqJnZARf4NKhFL8ZawJ09mMaijZ5mjW6Mz8f9N8dyUqOBnHJMqb 7I15woyiDosk1/21Jlg3KGqX6Z76vGsXRMOdCHRfXWgJ2Ed3PmXJnMkvOujlfPkfvhN6 u2il+P+TuvBzVuhw2l3gQwRCYfWeE5XDbQv68= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:52:13 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <56a0ZC.A.r6B.u3_IJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:52:14 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, doc rossi wrote: > Thanks, Marcus - I never thought to check Wikipedia for Mac info. > I'll repeat a couple of previous questions in case anyone here knows - is > 5400 RPM fast enough for audio recording without dropouts, and why doesn't > Apple recommend 7200RPM for MacBooks? I have tried asking Apple, but it is > very difficult to get an answer on a question like this - or at least I > haven't been able to find one. > Thank you. Impossible to answer such a question, since you are not telling us how many channels you intend to record at the same time? 5400 RPM drives use to be fine for ten to twenty channels, at least when using Logic. For live looping you are only using two stereo channels at a time - one for inputting your live playing and one for playing back the output (loops plus live playing), so I'd say that the margins are pretty generous. Usually people recommend 7200RPM drives because they not only record more channels at a time but also makes the system and applications feel more snappy in use. But I must say that I personally appreciate 5400RPM drives because they don't make so much noise. The noise doesn't come directly form the drive though but from the fans needed to cool it off. Laptop heating issues also has to do with the CPU and maybe other things as well. My Centrino PC laptop roars like a fighting cat all the time while my MacBook just hums. This is something I didn't know about before finding out by my own experience, because usually people don't care (if they are not musicians). I'd definitely try to look into the noise issue before buying any computer, not only laptops. Check at fora or hardware test sites. Or go to a computer store and boot up a machine and listen to it when put under pressure (opening huge pictures or playing back video etc) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:02:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 054793BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=DaEqzxpKbCzQex/X36lPMazRiN4GQk1tpgvbkZsvHWk=; b=ZF+SWdnHJQRNVTqE6A3wmidKskhlVU9kpzjD4GeMaTx2CcCP0AFhjN8A+hWaamoksA gE9IugZD22ZVtStM8bjeOLXyKc7vOuDyuLlMc+CrZkvcR0MvC3xjL41ngp+z2qh5Gsmd uViYxAdFnEVyQpmFdlZ/X7YcXsZ303yZoPVjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=DEOOe9g2yZ82JOOKmp6YvJ//PiMVJk42h51kMq/c5gCssbadUmRFwPtmsKFsTXAjqP NRWVfP71zvY9RJ8CSDoPAaAzSlZ0Ua0S/yHB0F/UszqysTOCAhtCAHKmfFKi1TWi0ycz CGR7LSeJR1Zek7VQZP2kmjKt71sKXKjUzgRvw= Message-ID: <4924003A.6000805@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:02:02 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buddha box References: <49220307.4050103@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <49220307.4050103@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: <81sXEB.A.lUC.-AAJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:02:06 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn schrieb: > Wonder if these are hackable. Just download the mp3's from their website and put them into your ipod on loop, or better create your own ambient loops... ;-) But the buddha machine is way cheaper... Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:12:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FF0C3BE87; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081119121240333.5164280000A2@mwinf2806.orange.fr Message-Id: <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:12:39 +0100 References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Per - only 2 inputs. I thought the heating issue might be the reason for not recommending 7200RPM drives, and there is no fan, just cooling fins, or so I believe. On Nov 19, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, doc rossi > wrote: >> Thanks, Marcus - I never thought to check Wikipedia for Mac info. >> I'll repeat a couple of previous questions in case anyone here >> knows - is >> 5400 RPM fast enough for audio recording without dropouts, and why >> doesn't >> Apple recommend 7200RPM for MacBooks? I have tried asking Apple, >> but it is >> very difficult to get an answer on a question like this - or at >> least I >> haven't been able to find one. >> Thank you. > > > Impossible to answer such a question, since you are not telling us how > many channels you intend to record at the same time? 5400 RPM drives > use to be fine for ten to twenty channels, at least when using Logic. > For live looping you are only using two stereo channels at a time - > one for inputting your live playing and one for playing back the > output (loops plus live playing), so I'd say that the margins are > pretty generous. > > Usually people recommend 7200RPM drives because they not only record > more channels at a time but also makes the system and applications > feel more snappy in use. But I must say that I personally appreciate > 5400RPM drives because they don't make so much noise. The noise > doesn't come directly form the drive though but from the fans needed > to cool it off. Laptop heating issues also has to do with the CPU and > maybe other things as well. My Centrino PC laptop roars like a > fighting cat all the time while my MacBook just hums. This is > something I didn't know about before finding out by my own experience, > because usually people don't care (if they are not musicians). I'd > definitely try to look into the noise issue before buying any > computer, not only laptops. Check at fora or hardware test sites. Or > go to a computer store and boot up a machine and listen to it when put > under pressure (opening huge pictures or playing back video etc) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:16:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18AB03BE8A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:16:17 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <806495.51039.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081119121617.172780@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <806495.51039.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. upcoming competition,the boomerang III To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/mIRYJZCnmDQpXJne7Y2vtfSUgwWfvFxC3h4q5MI 80FcJJboTte+dp9ChfH0JxnLDOciOO0437mQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: pTEWek90PTR+Kp4oyjMwu6M5c2tpZEsp X-FuHaFi: 0.85 Resent-Message-ID: <55tlEB.A.tBD.UOAJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:16:20 +0000 (UTC) I'd suggest to start the debate _after_ the Boomerang is available. Seeing is believing... Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:18:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1AAB3BE87; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:18:09 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081119121809.113720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ea2f30b0811041228sc5f29d1ia988982249f6f59c@mail.gmail.com> <20081105122923.152920@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811050526i5f1143d8wf81a4c5077083624@mail.gmail.com> <20081117130252.217010@gmx.net> <9ea2f30b0811180449h342470e9qfdd45c8d7fedcd3d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/osEJ1lLjoRJeNEgwruWfypAM3KUMpTjb8qzgXp7 utxBsPPQoJdX4/Nz+ao8jLRKDWpn5Qnm7OBg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: OTYdfFdheWUodMF6iHRzUd8xU3U4N8/g X-FuHaFi: 0.83 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Hi Teddy that's right, the MIDI solutions are there. But they are quite expensive, I believe. Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:29:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1F903BE8C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:29:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:28:59 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <000d01c949b7$54321160$6400a8c0@customer3530f5> Message-ID: <20081119122859.113720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42661.51129.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081118110550.70380@gmx.net> <000d01c949b7$54321160$6400a8c0@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18pIHYNJtwphEDdTlBLyPY9b8wNd4tXc58bDBZLn9 7dgGuQYXqKQh/OYTaX387GjWdj1Bm8if2PtA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: vzQdcVoZYW0tcM1ommdp7fR8amthc5ug X-FuHaFi: 0.75 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:29:00 +0000 (UTC) > Hi, you can also download the Voicetone Create's 'Advanced edit manual' > from > the tc Hellicon site. Yes, you will need that definitely. However, the "Advanced Edit Manual" is a bit cryptic and gives you almost no information about the values that make sense. I have re-arranged the parameter list for a better overview and added some "best practice values". best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:37:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136043BE8C; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=g0xUYD2zFe9exKugneI6C6pBEOj9NN52ECUO2rU6T3U=; b=v3Iw4u+0A0YfEOFg98RYaKI9hs4ubfxUxk8lwJgGSB9cSlaGxzI5kImPpD4iGwnBN2 UpTMFf+uWMBjzK7vzp8KbhzaosnWPJscOqEObb6mxhN0Nq52ABBchSEkI6YAqM/I1KRi U9wwly6fGvFMS23eCp0orqOn3qRlAAoPoB8uk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=aPSSrEiU7eNhG8f5bkohy80SzS6fbjTHhhkTklMP4NtFVUQUd8x2Uif/ZLvQ+xAieB YZXoxyyu+vM/ffAAiM/qeGnwggqt75usLwlz6UAVgxc2/zurZFbo8tOG9P9o4RhAruSc iShoLU1xVINBwJLszoRpC5oZgI713ZUItnWl8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:37:23 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190336l515102f5j28aa2470393afa44@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811190336l515102f5j28aa2470393afa44@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Hey Per, Can you send a photo of what this looks like? I think I get the patch sequence, but want to be sure. Thanks, -J On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:36 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:16 AM, L.Angulo wrote: >> Thanx Per! >> so whats is the current software solution using mobius as a stand alone on my mac if i wanted my guitar routed through a software "pedalboard" system and then go into the mobius looper? i am not really concerened with post looper efx at the moment. > > > Your concerns are identical to mine! I use MainStage on a MacBook as > my pre amp sim and effect rig. I also use Mobius standalone on the > same laptop. From MainStage I send the output two ways: to the RME > box's physical outputs 1-2 and 3-4. 3-4 is routed by physical cables > to physical inputs 5-6. Input 5-6 is fetched as the audio input from > Mobius. Mobius output is sent to physical output 1-2 (as also my live > playing is). Latency compensation for live loops set by ear in Mobius > (took some time to get right). > > The big point in this setup is that I can loop with the "set tempo by > first loop" technique. I have set Mobius to send out MIDI Clock into > OS X IAC Bus. And I have set MainStage to "get tempo from MIDI input". > > I guess you could build a similar laptop looping rig by using NI > Guitar Rig where I'm using MainStage. I'm not sure though how well GR > is following MIDI Clock? I chose MainStage (plus SoundToys Native > Bundle) because I already own it, because I like the sounds more than > GR and finally because MainStage is quite close to the other live rig > I built in Bidule on Windows. > > There is also this other completely different concept of putting the > looper inside a host as a plug-in and set the tempo in the host. I may > do that in studio recording situations but I don't regard it an > intuitive live looping performance strategy (click track tends to kill > the music for me) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:53:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64453BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 321 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:53:33 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WuCYavDhSe6WAc30xBM9GElraYvHpsEFBf0VuptM+Ko=; b=Wd6F2CstoMTZjSwq7DJpTWM8mS3oQn4GRoKQzQHTb5UMrHfptT4odLljI1Are08bKM XrhCnfKQseEB0731DXRVmLLWRmRu5inIEtFGlHhzo8YUcv0IjnVTI75EmiqWCyLnK9nb aHeQjLB5PRE8PnVd2qMI9+6OWeYSPrZYNvsjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=SvhVFTl53LIlDeyYu/2n7qf1w+lcZCI4hmOylj5Fx7aHVEkQexwQKJBGPBh1k7nxZr egKtnp1PhXwrBq57gauvKWrWJqsp7bhu9LTPsfYPjt9B2RXuP8uAPEdK8aT+Do1TcLIS Zck60LxGqsJ5SstJ2Ib/hsTxvFWCn8ANddtBQ= Message-ID: <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:48:12 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook In-Reply-To: <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_91373_17510748.1227098892254" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1ee219a29f270dd1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:53:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_91373_17510748.1227098892254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I replaced the hd on my macbook with a 7200rpm 200 GB model - a 32 GB boot camp partition + 67 GB of Logic samples doesn't leave much room left unless you do something like that. I'm perfectly happy with it, tho i'm sure there's a battery life penalty (I don't often depend on batteries for long). Warren ------=_Part_91373_17510748.1227098892254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I replaced the hd on my macbook with a 7200rpm 200 GB model - a 32 GB boot camp partition + 67 GB of Logic samples doesn't leave much room left unless you do something like that. I'm perfectly happy with it, tho i'm sure there's a battery life penalty (I don't often depend on batteries for long).

Warren
------=_Part_91373_17510748.1227098892254-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 12:54:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B443BE8A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=hHgd3yfpRweDqdVYU0o1pPa//UXBoXEe0LZF0sWPcyQzCQrWbcjc37aXAQ4Rnqgn/2QsbKzkZaqHeWn6g5Cri3vmXtZBIRWU76j+oGb3s0T+MlN/bpW42inhzeKru73INJbwMbE9SxWYmCRCPaSEPmKRXsRB1IpCjZWayjO1RqY= ; X-YMail-OSG: qNcLiCQVM1k2CO4Sn_HpBhZyfyA7KexAmSmPTsg3e8xuwUc0teH7656c7GpL7k8TF6BrV0gxfd8lOe949Oa8qtJ4ZWIOKAJK4QA0O13IWMQ4WAjIpiL0eXHlSeuMAnruDgF29Flzdj5ZjHxrUBKIULSnG_uj2qXF5EzQAI2adBCWwu2j5P8u2XK422zd X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190340i4d389252tde2a4c95d4e87db7@mail.gmail.com> References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> <53DE541B-60FC-4813-A1CE-D602804CDF70@btinternet.com> <66f9cc1e0811190340i4d389252tde2a4c95d4e87db7@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--316047651 Message-Id: <79246082-6353-45E8-996C-C0D1C62E0C6E@btinternet.com> From: Matt Stevens Subject: Re: Ableton Live Lite Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:15 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:54:21 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--316047651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Thanks Per Bidding on a Behringer floor controller on ebay now. Matt Stevens www.mattstevensguitar.com mattstevensguitar@btinternet.com On 19 Nov 2008, at 11:40, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matt Stevens > wrote: >> Hello guys >> Need your advice again - I've got Ableton live lite free with a >> keyboard - >> can this be linked up to Behringer foor controller for laptop >> looping? >> I would really appreciate your help as ever. > > At the upper right corner of Live's GUI there is an icon to click on > to put the application into MIDI Learn Mode. When well into that mode > you simply click on a Live graphic controller (fader, button or > whatever) and then kick the pedal that sends an accurate MIDI event > (note or CC... or PC). If in doubt, check the Live manual. Also be > sure your pedal is only sending out one event when you kick a button > for a patch. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > --Apple-Mail-2--316047651 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks Per =A0=A0

Bidding on a Behringer floor = controller on ebay now.

Matt = Stevens
www.mattstevensguitar.com




On 19 Nov 2008, = at 11:40, Per Boysen wrote:

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matt = Stevens
Hello guys
Need your = advice again - I've got Ableton live lite free with a keyboard = -
can this be linked up to Behringer foor = controller for laptop looping?
I would = really appreciate your help as ever.

At the = upper right corner of Live's GUI there is an icon to click on
to put the application into MIDI Learn Mode. When = well into that mode
you simply click on a Live = graphic controller (fader, button or
whatever) and = then kick the pedal that sends an accurate MIDI event
(note or CC... or PC). If in doubt, check the Live = manual. Also be
sure your pedal is only sending = out one event when you kick a button
for a = patch.

--=A0

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)


= --Apple-Mail-2--316047651-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 13:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B283BE85; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081119130644840.CD27370000AC@mwinf2b19.orange.fr Message-Id: <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> From: doc rossi To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:06:44 +0100 References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Do you have any noise or overheating problems? On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > I replaced the hd on my macbook with a 7200rpm 200 GB model - a 32 > GB boot camp partition + 67 GB of Logic samples doesn't leave much > room left unless you do something like that. I'm perfectly happy > with it, tho i'm sure there's a battery life penalty (I don't often > depend on batteries for long). > > Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 13:23:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748B43BE8A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KBULgBbfkoE4y8bR7YK7tycr20+oJZGJQTPPaLwyp10=; b=wXwFTzwxDvyYhoPX93K6usURxClL0W9Yfc4q/OZsAXIZmfaYdkOgff4GiiJeJt7sMd 7kDyvHX/J+804fs90u5OhUZHcCJ27alDdM8mt52ZmDOcLl2lLZAq+HWXbQxF6kkqNh7X 9M1ogG0HaZmH7fDeorLnWK2oi3Fi75wQklnJk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=GX/OfvJkGMNcvMyz4QfIBRYiV7gw/fYmqZm3+TCpK3A3iTSi7W7doCDwj2Dx7qjdao sVi9rNnGQF0bwgO34DqCDEAG8QPp/zSNiNkxqaFBExREH22NDMEWfSR+zNLC7tLrnIpn dmAi3ukFYSLBJwRyNgrecr7Ko5HZYrdJ38cd8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811190523r76062b05ubcf9f102eafba266@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:23:20 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811190336l515102f5j28aa2470393afa44@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:23:21 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > Hey Per, > Can you send a photo of what this looks like? I think I get the patch > sequence, but want to be sure. Well, not sure what you need but here's a screenshot of the laptop: http://www.boysen.se/bilder/mobius_mainstage.png -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 13:59:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4483E3BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=H5/TBF4VC92wDEkrSLWrzqKSAT/3RmkPe3W1EAtDzSw=; b=qb8P6TJFPaX9Om8PTrqwQZ8heHNuGUxk3q5GS0lUqcpnu/rqYzvFK4xbqoNPyePnC2 1rWtIFla2WV/jRduu6WO6pyTXOl686VW7TbsEO34eFw3qCGCWyn+YQdaWWx3UBrAKzRG Q6c6zhWgHF1IMFYxhHEKDmtRC6RxWjpcHmMJM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Boq7oaLliiUjCQpTnK3uv974SWyveuVBPpZn49ZdbTNm6Kk8BqWg/U/bDsrl4RrnyV 2nYO6b711XbMOk26ogxR8Gz9hzQs9apPvU9VkzTFxgML8trWoJTUO9JlS63UfNH8LYTd apCLCxIbT2bfz+Tm+bUHHLFINVxqLinANdbg8= Message-ID: <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:59:23 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: upgrading my MacBook In-Reply-To: <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_92135_9976215.1227103163292" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9a3034aa727e72dc Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:59:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_92135_9976215.1227103163292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i have had no overheating issues. noise? well, it's probably true the fan is on more that it was, but i don't notice it much. it's a quiet fan, there's other room noise masking it. i rarely record with mics, but i doubt it would be an issue with them. so, in summary, neither heat nor noise has been an issue for me. whoever implied there was no fan in the macbook is wrong, i'm quite sure, btw. On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:06 AM, doc rossi wrote: > Do you have any noise or overheating problems? > > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > I replaced the hd on my macbook with a 7200rpm 200 GB model - a 32 GB boot >> camp partition + 67 GB of Logic samples doesn't leave much room left unless >> you do something like that. I'm perfectly happy with it, tho i'm sure >> there's a battery life penalty (I don't often depend on batteries for long). >> >> Warren >> > > > ------=_Part_92135_9976215.1227103163292 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i have had no overheating issues. noise? well, it's probably true the fan is on more that it was, but i don't notice it much. it's a quiet fan, there's other room noise masking it. i rarely record with mics, but i doubt it would be an issue with them. so, in summary, neither heat nor noise has been an issue for me.

whoever implied there was no fan in the macbook is wrong, i'm quite sure, btw.

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:06 AM, doc rossi <docittern@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have any noise or overheating problems?


On Nov 19, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Warren Sirota wrote:

I replaced the hd on my macbook with a 7200rpm 200 GB model - a 32 GB boot camp partition + 67 GB of Logic samples doesn't leave much room left unless you do something like that. I'm perfectly happy with it, tho i'm sure there's a battery life penalty (I don't often depend on batteries for long).

Warren



------=_Part_92135_9976215.1227103163292-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 14:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFC393BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 924 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:46 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:01:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Server-Quench: 8ab7145b-b642-11dd-aecc-001871e930f4 X-AuthRoute: OCdyZQ4WAlZUSgod IjEDASxNQBkkIBIK ChgGOy9dJ0IETx8U HkteL1VTLHUYQlZB ViRIRgABDAQmASdr OFUMIwRUfTQRGRpo UEhBUlNWHgVpCx4B SBYWTBtyaQxHZn9z YVlgW3JeQ0Q0KDcH N08uQDAGYG9nbGVR U0BRck1cIVFNfxtA OE0tUncPfGQGMi59 FgI4NHVpZWwPd31Y E1pVIw4Ee0tZVgQx EVglIWdnG0AaDyA6 JBYhLV1UBk8XLi0A X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633135363331.cat.dmpriest.net.uk:1378/Kp X-Report-SPAM: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-Virus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system! Resent-Message-ID: <5bCyE.A.Sh.O_BJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:16:46 +0000 (UTC) hey there, my recommendation is to buy applecare. i've owned an ibook, 2 powerbooks, 2 macbook pros... maybe i'm unlucky, but EVERY SINGLE ONE, suffered catastrophic hardware failure AFTER the one year warranty. in some cases also during the first year, but that would be covered. the failures were, on different machines: - logic board failure - 3 - pixel death - 2 - hard drive - 1 - warped case - 1 in every single case, i called AppleCare. no questions asked they overnighted a box to my house and had the repaired machine shipped to me, wherever i was, within a week. in one instance they just replaced the computer because if you have 3 hardware failures on one machine, they replace it (as they should for cryingoutloud!!). so i always buy AppleCare, even though it is expensive, and even though yes it bothers me to pay for insurance to protect against THEIR failing equipment...but when my computer dies, whatever. i NEED IT FIXED NOW and its nice not to worry about it. my 2 cents as a longtime mac user...zoe On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:06 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Per Boysen schrieb: > > You still have the option to pick up the AppleCare protection plan > > until one year after the purchase. > > I still think its an expensive insurance, which even doesn't cover > theft or physical harm. I think you can get cheaper assurance which > covers more. In case of need you might have more bureaucratic to > fulfill though... > > Warren Sirota schrieb: >> yet when i spoke to applecare about my current laptop, they said >> "logic board replacements are fairly rare". i find this a bit hard >> to believe. > > It is hard to believe, whenever I came across a broken hardware on > Powerbooks, they replaced the motherboard in 100% of the cases, > even if it wasn't broken (same error after the "repair", because it > probably was a broken cable...). > > I guess that most people asking for help just have software > problems. The high price for applecare is probably much more a > service contract than an insurance... > > If you don't know computers get AppleCare, if you know, get an > insurance... > > Stefab > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 14:44:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9AAC3BE8F; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=hyvXNOAM4EaohGSx4JGoRdeZrD9mbObBkFQgSf6zAtc=; b=fqnl+Aonj8FsmMKQ9emTpa2U+oZ6I7vvqoJ4uEWfX7Mh64d0XJWsQRzZvWsyqB9UvG Ls0jrzhZ7r0WpbqN+31VlM1kntfjLPHFUny7s29b7hFihxr8p+KhkcOjos5TQNDD83di KVMDbE2PinSNr47KX+0ZBRwOvIgFlQ1Or+R7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Jlo1JeNXFscM54xBUcMfOo6/7btIOsYk8sQ/wQ0OFJenWTwYfBpYhw82/BjAt8knH7 EoE2GWtoeuoZ0WnjPeMAggWCm3J/y7RKotfIeJDPBqSjHGaJg3xizF1IZhu5A3ZQqYzL ZuxjjSF6zsuoo7e/ujQ1yKhMfHmMmDJ6NXYlM= Message-ID: <101191640811190644q9a07475gda02b72d5f0c3aa5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:44:53 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_93139_19958619.1227105893849" References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3967f780009914b7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:44:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_93139_19958619.1227105893849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 40 years or so, I had to bring my tape deck (reel-to-reel, 7"in 2 track) for repair after a few years, and I was shocked to find it needed new heads, for something like 1/2 the cost of a new machine. The owners said "you should expect to pay 1/4 of the price of a new unit every year for maintenance". The tune-ups I have to pay for on my car every year just to keep the warranty active amount to about 7.5% of purchase price (plus I had to pay for the warranty). I paid about 12% of the price of my macbook for the 2 years of extra protection, plus I get knowledgeable support with real answers from real Apple employees whenever I ask for it as a bonus. It just doesn't seem that expensive once you think about it, tho the extra bite at purchase time hurt. And and of course, since I had to use it, and it worked well, quickly and hassle-free, I really do think it's a reasonable deal. Laptops are fragile. It doesn't matter who made them. That's reality, folks. Ignore it at your peril $$$. Warren ------=_Part_93139_19958619.1227105893849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 40 years or so, I had to bring my tape deck (reel-to-reel, 7"in 2 track) for repair after a few years, and I was shocked to find it needed new heads, for something like 1/2 the cost of a new machine. The owners said "you should expect to pay 1/4 of the price of a new unit every year for maintenance". The tune-ups I have to pay for on my car every year just to keep the warranty active amount to about 7.5% of purchase price (plus I had to pay for the warranty). I paid about 12% of the price of my macbook for the 2 years of extra protection, plus I get knowledgeable support with real answers from real Apple employees whenever I ask for it as a bonus. It just doesn't seem that expensive once you think about it, tho the extra bite at purchase time hurt. And and of course, since I had to use it, and it worked well, quickly and hassle-free, I really do think it's a reasonable deal.

Laptops are fragile. It doesn't matter who made them. That's reality, folks. Ignore it at your peril $$$.

Warren
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= --_----------=_122710381911285-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 15:04:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB05D3BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:03:58 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811190523r76062b05ubcf9f102eafba266@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081119150358.53490@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66f9cc1e0811181343g325687dai91ab923eefdd6724@mail.gmail.com> <683322.58426.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811190336l515102f5j28aa2470393afa44@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190523r76062b05ubcf9f102eafba266@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19336dy1X532xKYeT+kTralPyi8Yw9ijEg+bDDdWM dGSEKU7taQQGxovC3FRmK1fChlAmuQ//du9g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 6RwXfYdcTXsucNp/mmU5sHBCRzdyMoM2 X-FuHaFi: 0.84 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:04:00 +0000 (UTC) > Well, not sure what you need but here's a screenshot of the laptop: > http://www.boysen.se/bilder/mobius_mainstage.png Oh, this Mobius/Mainstage solution looks beautiful. I really like the Mainstage possibilities. thanks for the post. B. -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 15:07:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B005D3BE89; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:07:08 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> Subject: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JlIoFK43JODJBf8SkKl+o1fBBpsL4dYOwM9cg0e lLyg4XvUsqClwztDbKTTspdlkg9iyxmhrDtw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: y05WaYd1eSEqZMh4kHUh7TV+IGRvb4C6 X-FuHaFi: 0.67 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) speaking of fast hard disk.... When I record in Logic, I sometimes get this "%&! error message: "Disk too slow" or something like that. So, instead of recording a session, it's just doing nothing! I'm recording 2x2+1= 5 channels with 24bit, but also 16/44.1 can get the same problem. Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas? It is a white iMac btw. thanks Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 15:15:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A92EB3BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=XswtOvgyp/ZdAJIHT5TJSg5lvVq/k093KnUtQY/48os=; b=GgLsKrjMuqeVqxTd1DyiZx6n3GNtxIxXNtiZnJz1YfI+jIhzPH+Jbuxo3WWr7pOtAZ gjeVarKA1tqCKk0IA/YHwhcHyqPlDeaaZ2NHadoppBczbNZ4klRX0/09yKAVt0PNUFE2 9U8iQvqNi5ZDf3UlQagLsWrakP5mm3G5OyloY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type :message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t6Er9U8hia11tAeQ+xsOEvUqo2OLtoXHCbXoPTGcagnbh+zJGpi87SvLgExaKqfh1h 4vXTNO7KTTRsCifE0NIgMZDQSjhRkWbVs56W0mNw+fCtDRdrXnoKs4TE/wxPu/RabdBQ AniFtB2xp89h+1b4lIb78s6tlpfBYeqyXKSCg= In-Reply-To: <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 07:15:49 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:15:56 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas? Make sure you turn off Safari. And iTunes and anything else not needed. BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 15:21:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CC8E3BE97; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49242EFF.2060805@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:21:35 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Buddha box References: <49220307.4050103@mhorse.com> <4924003A.6000805@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <4924003A.6000805@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Well, my idea was to distribute my long-gestating 100-track album in this way. So I have (or will have...) tha loops! I like the idea of the Buddha Box since it's a self-contained album, basically. I still like LP's, so maybe it just seems to me like an equivalent way of giving distributed music a physical presence. I did find these - only $10 if you buy them in small quantity...1 Gb.. http://www.davismicro.com/products/product_1416.htm There's also this guy which has a removable SD card (maybe more dependable) and will cost even less - http://www.gizmag.com/go/5515/. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> Wonder if these are hackable. > > Just download the mp3's from their website and put them into your ipod > on loop, or better create your own ambient loops... ;-) > > But the buddha machine is way cheaper... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 15:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 737B53BE99; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=koKLFWjbckKfKlShLLwbjnX3Cd7NuHuyodpX3OP22ME=; b=v8joYhIXUYeDsit2sQNapeS5osEtb51vHBUHW6rv9sBLNajcclXdLcVLNILg+FTYcI pTvxKlb2e50HigRxH6GKHbnd9c0Gftn/78YMZ4yHUdMPnWwe7GNRHo+1+b1TZcZ+shea HoncLiiwBhr70dPbw01dXMz9bVmMymcAxXHAg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=mnYotk+yUFBJDMPyI2Ejs9rMCQKugc9ZH066ZjGAC2a5zu7eivEvHodnbo39LMmh4z 3765S0U4vuy/dcusceZT53j5VvfPS9nvyB2AVt2fwNwoYy5p58taWZ8m0gQgOyFIJ4yS uYcZ0I21adQIzvtjqM7dm8sW9S9Jupl4X+qlE= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:34:39 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's experimental? In-Reply-To: <4923AFEA.5020605@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <101191640811061133n1ee8dfacsa7fef4851b1aa282@mail.gmail.com> <24733592-5536-4AFE-8E14-1D7E7CCC42E4@gmail.com> <24E18C59-4D01-426E-A999-FAE42722F7A7@comcast.net> <491EA606.202@googlemail.com> <491EF0A9.608@mhorse.com> <9D9C8695-75E8-4776-B588-4C60C8128E5D@comcast.net> <66f9cc1e0811151436i52ccf598q1b9067b84a445191@mail.gmail.com> <4923AFEA.5020605@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:34:40 +0000 (UTC) >> The aim of art is to define certain specific variables of the >> perceived reality and give them new priorities to the beholder. If you >> think about it, that is what paranoia and schizophrenia does to us. Is that why so many great artists are, uh, slightly off center? Or WAY off center? My grandfather was an artist (pottery, painting, mosaics) and I don't think he could even see the center from where he was. :) He was manic, bi-polar, and did amazing work. -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 16:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3BE43BE89; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:01:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=97Am4A81a4C/iwDNU1e/vjnsTZ3tUPVN8pFGobbAbWs=; b=kS+xpFWj1H2ChBEoQY4sQPPUmj+f/i502pnnpjz9xyGscShaPTnLK19rn0rqbrTzWV jgYi2vV71aRz0QS7Xu0PGVqZm49heqP1ItKgbTE2A4g1fyxlc1Fj3IDxz9ZTnyHaSvOv rX7Jr7BmNpkMzKHoW4hyqD+r53QlM0msmkuIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=g69URb90yPj2/wSkyLpLgS/6W5Em55vNDTDqseQ3+NDxBpk3TkBahkRQtKlllIZctW F7z80/yH6Z/hQji3dCZBqKpii2r8j/Q+la229+cTymGCen7t0ysTLr3jAOFtd7K3IPyz eHjRnik464Y3RKUIpO43bQWlfvG88Ws+3u6uc= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 08:01:47 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_62628_11291031.1227110507936" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <1c3a4db00811181324q58a7623ew880b229e5ab55666@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:01:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_62628_11291031.1227110507936 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...and Airport. TH On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:15 AM, RP Collier wrote: > > On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas? >> > > > > > Make sure you turn off Safari. > And iTunes and anything else not needed. > > > ------=_Part_62628_11291031.1227110507936 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...and Airport.

TH

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:15 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas?




Make sure you turn off Safari.
And iTunes and anything else not needed.



------=_Part_62628_11291031.1227110507936-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 16:10:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDFC3BE85; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=IqY6tleLwk3NL2iemBI/jIk5Ic0vx/YiyF1kWauJozA=; b=j/6zu9ENpm37hD9BmoMmTpY6i2Zcw7/wfQuiTjeZuap5PJwPzfTj5F+IhS41d5q8ec fOmDeWl++6mRYvPGmNu5BIvF+6Ku/1+x4utvosTlH8R6abBImK9wTsSETS0wLF8PSda1 SdYWfVlWng9z8DnH0z3hCyKx5MvDU0mdqfPr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=hZcJzqkOjPpfX9EfJh4b0KHncHORM+LhPOWmAnrL7ni8pBAk+JyfgujGUQeoKg0Kj6 HGnvVZkgshmLlVqh6ryQ8QgPujgmK+UoMEBNb2dBFOl9mEG9ljLBWciaRK726NNi3q2B r3O68zYOHsoCOD6lU+1LOLcTZK2jVb1m9BWfU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:10:48 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant In-Reply-To: <101191640811190644q9a07475gda02b72d5f0c3aa5@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> <101191640811190644q9a07475gda02b72d5f0c3aa5@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85656 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:51 +0000 (UTC) > Laptops are fragile. It doesn't matter who made them. That's reality, folks. > Ignore it at your peril $$$. Good advice for any laptop. We got the extended warranty on my daughters laptop (Toshiba) and I'm glad we did. I never get the extended warranty for anything else. We had to replace the screen and the battery. If/when we get another laptop, I'll be getting that warranty again. -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 16:14:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBE4A3BE87; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:14:40 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:14:52 +0000 (UTC) At 8:02 AM -0800 11/18/08, L.Angulo wrote: >Thanx Buzap,i am debating between this one and the digitech vocalist >4,i cant believe there is no EQ on the tone create!what if u want >those telephone type effects?but yes nice long reverbs and delays >for soundscaping is also what i am very interested in,i just love >how small they are! Oh, it'll do those "telephone type" effects. There's a distortion block that'll allow you to re-EQ for all kinds of effects like that, IIRC. I'll also agree with the overall impression of the Create: it's a great little pedal. I haven't played around with mine nearly as much as Buzap or a few others here (got it when they first came out; however, we were in the process of moving when it arrived, so I got to tweek the pedal for a couple of hours before then packing it away into storage. aaargh!), but it's really pretty cool. One quick application tip: you don't have to restrict the Create to just your vocals. It's optimized to take input from a microphone. For those instrumentalists among us, it's also excellent for a "post amp" effect. Just use it on the microphone you're using to mic the amp. There are lots of studio situations where effects are printed onto a track after it has already been recorded through an amplifier. The best way to replicate this live is to place the effects into the chain *after* the amplifier onstage before hitting the board. The Create makes this pretty easy, and let's the performer keep control of those effects (as opposed to turning them over to the sound guy). --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." X <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 16:24:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 541C43BE9E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=nve0TkL2eGoxl+KHBPRqOqYMsyQi52FQoFrz+Wr5upM=; b=EuolA6oeN5FLOUH9cjE5TF2rNJtQL5fdoBqEicGqq+JOU5D+aVXt685Ua2+02wtYDs z5w96eHKS/pqkSgfqHFzqgH4sRXQlJE6z77k53hzpU/Oi1EeDZBkgchpbwS9S53optzb +VqIdln8HaOyOvrvuZ8hnBVZIZE583ag6mkW4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=TlfNJUnql99obp+DsjuaxykFKHVKjY0jlzAVJasjl+mfeyn0/V1WBk/aV+gB2SsXea L/n/Es28ewbGqwaq7/M4mCccY3d+2iJa92GT5PifLxkZ1kEAz97ilChX9CtYEzCl2i0R fAFb31O2EK/prvaRr1xiqagffYcS9U3MYjypk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:24:13 -0700 From: "Trevor Davis" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Echoplex Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_58968_18695650.1227111853622" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:24:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_58968_18695650.1227111853622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Help! For some time now, I have been having an increasingly frequent problem with my Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. When I step on the next loop function, it activates the undo instead. You can imagine what a nightmare this is live! I do use 3 homemade pedals but I have changed both the switches and the resistors. This happens from all 3 pedals I have on stage. Does anyone know why this would be happening? I would rather not reset this unit but I will if a factory reset will solve it? -- Bones www.bonesdrums.com ------=_Part_58968_18695650.1227111853622 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Help!
For some time now, I have been having an increasingly frequent problem with my Echoplex Digital Pro Plus.
When I step on the next loop function, it activates the undo instead. You can imagine what a nightmare this is live!
I do use 3 homemade pedals but I have changed both the switches and the resistors. This happens from all 3 pedals I have on stage. Does anyone know why this would be happening? I would rather not reset this unit but I will if a factory reset will solve it?
--
Bones
------=_Part_58968_18695650.1227111853622-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 16:31:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C6923BE9E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49243F47.8090708@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:31:03 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re> OT: new macbook rant References: <66f9cc1e0811141130g521cc123g1f11a408d67ecd37@mail.gmail.com> <878381.61129.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0811141158g63fbbcbcm92b236b4d896f3c@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811141323j79f942c2kab96c3c3815ec36d@mail.gmail.com> <4923D705.5010909@googlemail.com> <101191640811190644q9a07475gda02b72d5f0c3aa5@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <101191640811190644q9a07475gda02b72d5f0c3aa5@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:31:06 +0000 (UTC) I used a Thinkpad for six years, until the 256m of RAM got unusable, and have been using another (Lenovo T60) for close to three years. 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More stuff to follow... ------------------------------------------------ Weird, Scary, and Beautiful Music and Art: Http://www.HelpWantedProductions.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 17:36:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BFE83BE8A; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:36:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:35:57 -0800 Message-Id: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85662 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:36:53 +0000 (UTC) --Andy Butler wrote: "Western music teaching has a lot to say about harmony, and about what constitutes a wrong note, while it has little to say about rhythm. Those teachings have a lot of authority, perhaps to the extent that they change the way an individual might perceive a piece of music. Exactly Andy!! As a drummer for most of my life, this last point you made has been a huge thorn in my side and is the reason for my post initially. There is such a bias favoring harmony and melody over rhythm in Western music that we consider some of the world's greatest drummers (and we've been talking a lot about what a strong contribution Mitch Mitchell made to the Jimi Hendrix Experience sound or Keith Moon or John Bohnam or Stewart Copeland to the Who, Led Zeppelin and Police sounds) to NOT be included in the composition category of those artists. I've had a tendency to be the leader of most of the all original bands I've played in during my life and despite the fact that I had a very large hand in shaping the musical and stylistic outcome of those bands (from the drumkit) I had to play a keyboard, bass or guitar part to be officially recognized as a composer in the piece. A drum beat can certainly be a composition, but it is not officially recognized by the legal sound writing conventions................that's just wrong! Play 'Sunshine of your Love" in a cover band with the backbeat on 2 and 4 and hear how radically different the feel of the song is with the original the Tom Dowd suggested drumbeat that plays the backbeat on the 1 and 3. This just gets my goat!!!! It's my belief that rhythm has a huge impact on composition...............after all, if you are playing a song with a single chord vamp during a section you are only allowed 7 scalar notes in terms of pitch. What determines how the song sounds is where you actually play those notes , temporally and in what order they are played...........that's rhythm. Additionally, I will run into really accomplished musicians (and this happens to me all the time) who seem to almost eschew learning about rhythm in a formal way...............whereas they have learned harmony and melody up one side and down another. I find this phenomenon is the rule rather than the exception even when it world class melodicists that we are talking about. So, I get a little frustrated. As a drummer (and budding melodist as a multi-instrumentalist) I am always trying to learn more about harmony and melody. I feel lonely sometimes when it seems that the bulk of harmonic/melodic players don't seem nearly as interested in rhythm. It's hard for me to accept the limited roll that rhythm has been assigned in western music (with the exception of a lot of later avant garde classical composition in the latter half of the 20th century) Now, I'm confessing an emotional response that is pretty reactive (just one based on a lifetime of experience) so I"m sure what I've just written will probably be shot to hell intellectually speaking, but I throw it out there, anyway, as a challenge to the rhythmically challenged western world. yours, Rick Walker (admittedly a bit cranky from a bad night of insomnia.......lol) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 17:55:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF3A33BE91; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ws3UONsjSkQi71xtB4qCcPnvDiq3JCfqQOH9dVL4l6E=; b=gGqsUtFsw4fO9t36OVR8AVhbGf/TC1oAV+Vm5T5y6nUWw71Zhj7KvTWuNP6kAF/WMG 8eSKbKeCdL+j04MZ/nQNrJgiLE6Ov1gz3JIbqF5ryUSP4YOrq+uTB8iVkq0muvdhO6DZ jOB/IpBpNY96rKSaKSYnVaNwxNmZsp18Me2xU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=BP8IOT6tRJTi7dfs973wMYLrys00en9BsvpQZiIZIM9b0b14oOvKUgXOfOCeDYpUGj uCrTOJRp2XltGagoD6lv6XZJEfeK5+6nP3z4WFK1N8bzU+D+czHWaoC12zTtrcXJHHom Q/lr4q/04cersm4Np6XXQPQdnl3IEerJyu93g= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:55:36 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Issues In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63561_28730050.1227117336108" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:55:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_63561_28730050.1227117336108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First thing I'd do is hook up a multimeter to your foot controller and verify that it's reliably sending the correct resistance value for NextLoop versus Undo. Second thing would be to see if it ever does this from the front panel. This has all the hallmarks of a footcontroller/cable issue. TH On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Trevor Davis wrote: > Help! > For some time now, I have been having an increasingly frequent problem with > my Echoplex Digital Pro Plus. > When I step on the next loop function, it activates the undo instead. You > can imagine what a nightmare this is live! > I do use 3 homemade pedals but I have changed both the switches and the > resistors. This happens from all 3 pedals I have on stage. Does anyone know > why this would be happening? I would rather not reset this unit but I will > if a factory reset will solve it? > -- > Bones > www.bonesdrums.com > ------=_Part_63561_28730050.1227117336108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First thing I'd do is hook up a multimeter to your foot controller and verify that it's reliably sending the correct resistance value for NextLoop versus Undo. 
Second thing would be to see if it ever does this from the front panel.  This has all the hallmarks of a footcontroller/cable issue.

TH

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Trevor Davis <bonesdrums@gmail.com> wrote:
Help!
For some time now, I have been having an increasingly frequent problem with my Echoplex Digital Pro Plus.
When I step on the next loop function, it activates the undo instead. You can imagine what a nightmare this is live!
I do use 3 homemade pedals but I have changed both the switches and the resistors. This happens from all 3 pedals I have on stage. Does anyone know why this would be happening? I would rather not reset this unit but I will if a factory reset will solve it?
--
Bones

------=_Part_63561_28730050.1227117336108-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 18:12:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D198B3BE89; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OLB+taaZ+eDvvR2Bx/kiOy6Yf6/IxJT4Zg1MLxojk7U=; b=wVY2HDKNdvvrFTYn/szR5MlRhrR5dgE46kmfLjye2bxBbVJ5nPERgO7z6sBWgo1I9M g3ER7fEgWhuGW5qpcylKIMr48Q5sD0jjBXV4EtCVRw9yUTJnkHoRArI/wESs7/bpkQZG 5pHpIyrQl/BgbvxWF9gb+xWL6iuJn1bWX2vqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XC9aTrwV664c1UHkHmDwthXRDAH2kutKtAKc+bRDahKO8YMhdjbhr5YJIkAci9M+hH iuZpmpgM/Xw6qG4YVDZLqM7R7gAJTbJVh4gLhnvC9p4kxlaiDxpL9Xw3tVl4W6QevXD5 pnjwA9DdtYJZwwJbc+d3yLcJrKLEUvTsrDcYY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811191012j36ca9fe4n9bfebb94ce32b27f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:12:04 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >. I feel lonely sometimes when it seems that > the bulk of harmonic/melodic players don't seem nearly as interested in rhythm. It's hard for me to > accept the limited roll that rhythm has been assigned in western music I'm still finding it hard to relate to that. Maybe you're view is a bit colored from some particular musicians you have been playing with? Obviously not very good musicians then, because I'm sure many would agree with me that the rhythm is way more important to master, than the tonal side, if you want to play the least expressive. "False" notes can still contain a meaningfull musical message as long as they are delivered with a good timing. And vice versa, perfect pitch in melody playing doesn't help a shit if your timing sucks. This is so basic that I suspect I'm missing some part of this discussion? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 18:16:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC5023BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:15:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: Echoplex Issues Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:16:23 +0000 (UTC) At 9:55 AM -0800 11/19/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: >First thing I'd do is hook up a multimeter to your foot controller >and verify that it's reliably sending the correct resistance value >for NextLoop versus Undo. >Second thing would be to see if it ever does this from the front >panel. This has all the hallmarks of a footcontroller/cable issue. Yep. Get a stash of replacement switches and plan on replacing the RECORD button often. I am also finding that the OVERDUB switch needs to be replaced fairly often as well. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 19:06:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538E13BE85; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:32 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=uCp6bJkggrWH1OBPdfogZ/6RiFn5ZMb3GCF/Y7czi6O8PQa99HKs60BYTsa6DFquaJKmDreiNA3IAuitNjfamqVeGKUzfoJnO/RMlo99/q1dUsqpv5JrLS6nf+XqBwxs; Message-ID: <20081119125948.dzs488t30gs00g8s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:59:48 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness References: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:06:33 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Rick Walker : > > So, I get a little frustrated. As a drummer (and budding =20 > melodist as a multi-instrumentalist) I am > always trying to learn more about harmony and melody. I feel =20 > lonely sometimes when it seems that > the bulk of harmonic/melodic players don't seem nearly as interested =20 > in rhythm. It's hard for me to > accept the limited roll that rhythm has been assigned in western =20 > music (with the exception of a lot > of later avant garde classical composition in the latter half of the =20 > 20th century) > Nearly twenty years ago, I became frustrated with my composition =20 efforts and, upon reflection, my disatisfaction was with my approach =20 to rhythmn. My organist training hasn't helped... most hymns are designed to be =20 easily singable by a congregation so there is little syncopation and =20 little that isn't easily predictable. I decided that to learn to play drums would be an antidote. Well, I never learned to play drums -- I got a drum machine and messed =20 with it, and I may learn to play drums yet! I was inspired by much at the Y2K8 Loopfest. And I found myself drawn =20 to the "non-tonal" offerings -- Matt Davignon's set comes to mind. =20 What occurs to me is the desire to stretch artistically -- in my case =20 (being a harmony/counterpoint kind of person) -- to work more with =20 non-pitched sounds and rhythm as the primary "driver" of the music. (and now I wander off-topic) As of late, I have been watching some very cool on-line videos: http://www.dimensions-math.org/Dim_E.htm The videos feature projections of four-dimensional geometric objects =20 into 3-D space (of course, a 3-D rendition on a two-dimensional space). And I've wondered, what the echo/reverb would sound like in a four =20 dimensional space. The fourth chapter, in particular, has a lot of =20 the four-dimensional projections. Chapters 1 thru 3 explain the =20 concept (starting with the notion of projecting the globe onto a =20 two-dimensional surface. What would it be like to loop in the higher =20 dimensions? Perhaps some mathematician can answer this. If nothing else, I found =20 the videos to be inspiring. OK, enough rambling for now... -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 20:47:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1BF63BE8E; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:47:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=y3qU3uaUI2fxt0AhAayr7fVnWNh495a7tcpPZYGWhZRhqSu92CMzZ+cH0E3qn9Lzv/fRuJjSIuNmWWT0Kxcp36TANCbcuu43f9a0g+1PwbX1UFZ2xZy/HP9o8nJJybywvf0KeYZnNr53d+pwOdAu4pGN1R6rGdMUDgbM41mZMCU=; X-YMail-OSG: rmJbt6AVM1nOya03Ky.cJtiOl_13uWYDitjhmzyLQ_7YzecSE104Xe71MpByRfjJvJ0d3h.mhBK2VmK77wtz4Nf2SlWOJXKbjMNiozE6brJuQEvIe0VrP0yzIj6fFY1dxrZeY4wjP5Yyg5Bxd4x4gsHPcZIAPKMf9svHMnI7 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:47:37 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: EXPERIMENTAL/role of the artist To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1807240310-1227127657=:5736" Message-ID: <696571.5736.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:47:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-1807240310-1227127657=:5736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think one needs to realize that there are: many different ROLES of the ARTIST in society there are also many different ART WORLDs & viewers that exist w/in the grand scheme of the total art world. i think the one romantic idea that most think of when the word ARTIST is thrown out is the "Artist as Shaman"- the idea of the artist as this visionary leader who changes the world. it's kind of a romantic idea, but is is one view of artist. s--- >> The aim of art is to define certain specific variables of the >> perceived reality and give them new priorities to the beholder. If you >> think about it, that is what paranoia and schizophrenia does to us. Is that why so many great artists are, uh, slightly off center? Or WAY off center? My grandfather was an artist (pottery, painting, mosaics) and I don't think he could even see the center from where he was. :) He was manic, bi-polar, and did amazing work. --0-1807240310-1227127657=:5736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii 
I think one needs to realize that there are:
many different ROLES of the ARTIST in society
there are also many different ART WORLDs & viewers that exist w/in
the grand scheme of the total art world.

i think the one romantic idea that most think of when the word
ARTIST is thrown out is the "Artist as Shaman"-
the idea of the artist as this visionary leader who changes the world.
it's kind of a romantic idea, but is is one view of artist.
s---



>> The aim of art is to define certain specific variables of the
>> perceived reality and give them new priorities to the beholder. If you
>> think about it, that is what paranoia and schizophrenia does to us.

Is that why so many great artists are, uh, slightly off center?  Or
WAY off center?

My grandfather was an artist (pottery,
 painting, mosaics) and I don't
think he could even see the center from where he was. :)  He was
manic, bi-polar, and did amazing work.


--0-1807240310-1227127657=:5736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 21:50:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBBF3BE90; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclKbWotArjDAywpQCuRoeAxSeeY3AAIBphw Message-Id: <20081119215008.A70233BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:50:09 +0000 (UTC) As a musician who approaches music from the prism of the blues (and who does not consider himself a fucking genius, regardless of harmonic variance), I can agree with much of what Rick is saying here. Considering that blues music is primarily a juxtaposition of African rhythm (for both communication and storytelling) and European harmony (for the same purposes, though driven largely by the enforcement of Christian church attendance on many slaves in America), neither harmony nor rhythm supercedes the other. The necessity of secrecy in early African-American communication led to the adaptation of meaningful tribal rhythmic patterns that could communicate well enough over long distances to cause some plantation owners to ban drums and drumming among slaves. The planters were unsuccessful, however, in eliminating the classic double-entendre in lyrics that still lives in the more artistic blues songs of today (though primarily in sexual context now, whereas before it was social and political, as well as entertainment). Besides the four drummers mentioned, the recently-deceased Earl Palmer of New Orleans and later L.A. was one of the main codifiers of the-beat-played-around-the-world now, as American style pop music seems to have a huge presence in nearly all cultures. Earl took the striking backbeat from the shout choruses of traditional jazz (Dixieland) and installed it entirely through songs, along with the parade-derived syncopations of which New Orleans is the fount. Everything has been different since then. Why this is not considered a compositional attribute is beyond me. dave Exactly Andy!! As a drummer for most of my life, this last point you made has been a huge thorn in my side and is the reason for my post initially. There is such a bias favoring harmony and melody over rhythm in Western music that we consider some of the world's greatest drummers (and we've been talking a lot about what a strong contribution Mitch Mitchell made to the Jimi Hendrix Experience sound or Keith Moon or John Bohnam or Stewart Copeland to the Who, Led Zeppelin and Police sounds) to NOT be included in the composition category of those artists. I've had a tendency to be the leader of most of the all original bands I've played in during my life and despite the fact that I had a very large hand in shaping the musical and stylistic outcome of those bands (from the drumkit) I had to play a keyboard, bass or guitar part to be officially recognized as a composer in the piece. A drum beat can certainly be a composition, but it is not officially recognized by the legal sound writing conventions................that's just wrong! Play 'Sunshine of your Love" in a cover band with the backbeat on 2 and 4 and hear how radically different the feel of the song is with the original the Tom Dowd suggested drumbeat that plays the backbeat on the 1 and 3. This just gets my goat!!!! It's my belief that rhythm has a huge impact on composition...............after all, if you are playing a song with a single chord vamp during a section you are only allowed 7 scalar notes in terms of pitch. What determines how the song sounds is where you actually play those notes , temporally and in what order they are played...........that's rhythm. Additionally, I will run into really accomplished musicians (and this happens to me all the time) who seem to almost eschew learning about rhythm in a formal way...............whereas they have learned harmony and melody up one side and down another. I find this phenomenon is the rule rather than the exception even when it world class melodicists that we are talking about. So, I get a little frustrated. As a drummer (and budding melodist as a multi-instrumentalist) I am always trying to learn more about harmony and melody. I feel lonely sometimes when it seems that the bulk of harmonic/melodic players don't seem nearly as interested in rhythm. It's hard for me to accept the limited roll that rhythm has been assigned in western music (with the exception of a lot of later avant garde classical composition in the latter half of the 20th century) Now, I'm confessing an emotional response that is pretty reactive (just one based on a lifetime of experience) so I"m sure what I've just written will probably be shot to hell intellectually speaking, but I throw it out there, anyway, as a challenge to the rhythmically challenged western world. yours, Rick Walker (admittedly a bit cranky from a bad night of insomnia.......lol) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 21:57:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2B9D3BE94; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=QGad0rSEbIDtOcgshFB/SDz1xTUqRc1nY8fAeAfPgW8=; b=OuGBFH/MRJZwoK11i6L+JlSbchR+1KDF8zQa0mBIOpK35aK98SK3UxQE7jtLUDgWUT OH2kxPLObLl2j8i2p5vlfr40a+5Qj4PN+/07mudhcaRt83Sj7BbxMi+r4u92NqsedHmj 1ILvG87myOsmmywgW6u9XhfVz8hJbz9ynw4/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=FpydYhorHodzGZwQ033X/swBpJdJDqFDFaokFJ9vnI1u+NinOnkAyTwAM+l81uyAxH KYhZhVTd+1FNod7dQQ1hlLWbb8urgmFHh4Vv0/96OpCAbqrZ3DwVc427haEHJyt7mm1D UDdU7gBevW5fpIJHxBbnxLCxtefen0ddHpESM= Message-ID: <49248BA8.5080408@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:56:56 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed References: <184975.82636.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <184975.82636.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: <4jwihD.A.u_.suIJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:57:00 +0000 (UTC) L.Angulo schrieb: > How many choices will there be Andy? having all would be offcourse a > dream but to play over the I II III ,IV, V, VI, VII would be more > than enogh to make a song happen! But it might be not sufficient to make the sound happen... ;-) Stefan -- Les Ondes Memorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------------------- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 22:27:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3F723BE95; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:27:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c3780c33-f4a2-409d-b990-f27d1da4528f_" X-Originating-IP: [76.126.56.231] From: samba - To: Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #897 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:27:11 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081119215009.D66673BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081119215009.D66673BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2008 22:27:11.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[F74DBFA0:01C94A95] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 22:27:12 +0000 (UTC) --_c3780c33-f4a2-409d-b990-f27d1da4528f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reality is that one can obtain copyright for the notatable parts of = muic=2Cthis does include the rhythmic quaities of a pitch bsed piece=2Cbut = what is written is melodic. 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= --_c3780c33-f4a2-409d-b990-f27d1da4528f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 19 23:24:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A41233BE97; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:24:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Uf1ghD2gUtziunowsGouSUSherEelpaKXNaamB64SGY=; b=MXpq+hJx7QS96FCUXtE//eDlRIF0MmjcJHt52+H7+rHOoVkaDcpParTwjGt4VBhdep SZjNlpTxgckDkRw6z44M/zuJXH4Gz3oXX/xAqZw8JmzNkw4WeiHABLS90usVTjGJF7KW 95U7s/Sz56U0BLNXL6ZvBUyb1ajt2hNDkjnVk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=R43c5d6pgharvUmEYUcwXIOdO0PMDUna2cKY5j1rtVDx8UlFy7nIOBXhJj1BfOncls LExsHeWRmCpdKbjTAsy7w6I99JcW8agZV9YiTZnPYXvDFj/dFHyUdbfra8d/mfHNejl3 Ka5cPmAWKYxy9W7OZ32Euzua+lb9NO4tZSZ4I= Message-ID: <652f3a270811191524t7b466a54qc09f5c8d2bb662aa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:54:50 +1030 From: r.domain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Issues MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_117752_14321346.1227137090340" Resent-Message-ID: <-aUp4D.A.5NH.FBKJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:24:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_117752_14321346.1227137090340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I bought a brand new Echoplex early this year and had similar problems where the buttons get crosswired and perform incorrect functions. I tracked it down to an overheating issue. The switch circuit board is located right next to the power transformer and when it heats up, the unit goes haywire. Sucks. If I rack it, it needs a space above it but that still doesn't garantee an error free machine. Just a hot day is enough for the edp to play up making live gigs close to unusable. When I do perform live, I use my Repeater in conjunction with the edp. One, because I love the combination of both loopers and two, as a backup looper if the edp goes haywire. Anyone have a fix for this? All I can think of is drill vents in the case and/or install a fan somehow?? I don't think moving the board is an option. Maybe the power supply?? I love the edp but am very dissapointed by it's reliability. Ritchie http://murdergrin.blogspot.com -- Without music life would be a mistake. ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche ------=_Part_117752_14321346.1227137090340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I bought a brand new Echoplex early this year and had similar problems where the buttons get crosswired and perform incorrect functions.  I tracked it down to an overheating issue.  The switch circuit board is located right next to the power transformer and when it heats up, the unit goes haywire.  Sucks.  If I rack it, it needs a space above it but that still doesn't garantee an error free machine.  Just a hot day is enough for the edp to play up making live gigs close to unusable.  When I do perform live, I use my Repeater in conjunction with the edp.  One, because I love the combination of both loopers and two, as a backup looper if the edp goes haywire. 

Anyone have a fix for this?  All I can think of is drill vents in the case and/or install a fan somehow??  I don't think moving the board is an option.  Maybe the power supply??

I love the edp but am very dissapointed by it's reliability.

Ritchie
http://murdergrin.blogspot.com


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Without music life would be a mistake.  ~Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
------=_Part_117752_14321346.1227137090340-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 00:05:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7CC3BE95; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4924A9BD.9010908@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:05:17 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT Wanna here something beautiful by one of our own Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) No looping here but I just feel like going out and looping in my garage after hearing this beautiful live track with Jeff Beck and Imogen Heap. Thought I"d risk the OT and share it with y'all. rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 00:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9498C3BE88; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Qm8jCdrcdVbMOOaIPFgGcLa6l8xLe3CNd4Mk510Vc+w=; b=khQsp5He4t05Xlqy715ThTI6dYafQrPjK8hRjfrZ9EPQ8PRjHmMFg9naJf5Mntp9fI FbrQKbzh5NdbeatRkaSHYAb5BA6xH+lAq36UsLqNvqrFGbINrzp6vOU19rlhmNXchf/c 8okMvoe4aeAyw46GUVkNfgsHbdBrrfQsJBBmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=d0R+BXHN3Uf7oLBZ+jhhHEp+rkOKjs0Wrurq59FVXofs90IKaDIw+XGzfBfo8udA2u 0r6qluZzrgm3c6pFjLplQnaJyBTI7lFQomQwkMut48k8o+90VkNcJTJPY9zUKMFfSP5w pvgbhXfpUp8KdLKPQEoPjx0hSCJTSGULWk7yU= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811191626x2c901efbr119725bcec7bfd6b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:26:24 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Wanna here something beautiful by one of our own In-Reply-To: <4924A9BD.9010908@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4924A9BD.9010908@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:26:25 +0000 (UTC) What's the link? On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > No looping here but I just feel like going out and looping in my garage > after hearing this > beautiful live track with Jeff Beck and Imogen Heap. > > Thought I"d risk the OT and share it with y'all. > > rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 00:29:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4967C3BE94; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BSO8LxFI+ilZzrLbctumhcoxSDMZmsOeMGnVT0hZFWs=; b=GEXMOFNlYJxAe6Ikq/6/K26icpQ0gJjUqPjCA55W2CVEgH8UBpRfRZJPdmEKxMo+PD WWy676404HCVRHKY9jv7M7tuLnMSfmMOpYC2FYgASutFG8syMA5Sz8sArycGRnoFiUQw zO9pShRnf3bNVsbzq3xH9cwCNaectnGcgMBAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=kmv1FSbUgdq0pfFUpY87MnCCqutIIqMj1s+pHUxA9tdG7p64ctD1CemnjColkeXS6d RfZ7W6vSzV5KmzD54tppuzZk7Vqgp2NvTCJKODBJ+pzHz4T+pve7gNU9vIvVZTA3b09E o/5JazIKuuzpHhYQ0HL3rnM0NN6Kt8qvKCWA4= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:29:57 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Echoplex Issues In-Reply-To: <652f3a270811191524t7b466a54qc09f5c8d2bb662aa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66482_6606219.1227140997556" References: <652f3a270811191524t7b466a54qc09f5c8d2bb662aa@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:29:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_66482_6606219.1227140997556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh, I'd forgotten about that since I moved to the PacNW.I used to have that problem with a first generation EDP, which ran much hotter than later versions (and I've never had a problem with the later versions). My solution was to put a small fan in the back of my rack and avoid playing gigs where the ambient air temperature was more than 95F (just to be safe). If I left a space open in the rack, I got the benefit of moving air blowing over me. If you're performing at a quiet acoustic level, this may not work, but for electric ensemble work it was okay. TH On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:24 PM, r. domain wrote: > I bought a brand new Echoplex early this year and had similar problems > where the buttons get crosswired and perform incorrect functions. I tracked > it down to an overheating issue. The switch circuit board is located right > next to the power transformer and when it heats up, the unit goes haywire. > Sucks. If I rack it, it needs a space above it but that still doesn't > garantee an error free machine. Just a hot day is enough for the edp to > play up making live gigs close to unusable. When I do perform live, I use > my Repeater in conjunction with the edp. One, because I love the > combination of both loopers and two, as a backup looper if the edp goes > haywire. > > Anyone have a fix for this? All I can think of is drill vents in the case > and/or install a fan somehow?? I don't think moving the board is an > option. Maybe the power supply?? > > I love the edp but am very dissapointed by it's reliability. > ------=_Part_66482_6606219.1227140997556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Oh, I'd forgotten about that since I moved to the PacNW.
I used to have that problem with a first generation EDP, which ran much hotter than later versions (and I've never had a problem with the later versions).  My solution was to put a small fan in the back of my rack and avoid playing gigs where the ambient air temperature was more than 95F (just to be safe).  If I left a space open in the rack, I got the benefit of moving air blowing over me.  If you're performing at a quiet acoustic level, this may not work, but for electric ensemble work it was okay.

TH

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:24 PM, r. domain <rdomain@gmail.com> wrote:
I bought a brand new Echoplex early this year and had similar problems where the buttons get crosswired and perform incorrect functions.  I tracked it down to an overheating issue.  The switch circuit board is located right next to the power transformer and when it heats up, the unit goes haywire.  Sucks.  If I rack it, it needs a space above it but that still doesn't garantee an error free machine.  Just a hot day is enough for the edp to play up making live gigs close to unusable.  When I do perform live, I use my Repeater in conjunction with the edp.  One, because I love the combination of both loopers and two, as a backup looper if the edp goes haywire. 

Anyone have a fix for this?  All I can think of is drill vents in the case and/or install a fan somehow??  I don't think moving the board is an option.  Maybe the power supply??

I love the edp but am very dissapointed by it's reliability.

------=_Part_66482_6606219.1227140997556-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 00:33:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 68F313BE97; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=iZZinc0NqfBq2b7yiXisQC3ofVnyPDi0S/mFbAouBCfor0k+7kE5Mn77KEjfr7gkg9f79jha7cZZGIGDyASU9TzPQSffY+oKia5sSHlTRpg75pxyK12t8trMgZFJjta7+uTX9Tdgo+DS+q0YOtunFLYGTaLeFfq7aCDkoPa0T1g=; X-YMail-OSG: ElwZkMAVM1kHREi.aUBAndEMTSf5pZMPW_U5J8vT.8RnLv.aYVlldwFnL15BzGbzW2ZBTkbGLN66cDC7bAwxe0G5sDagDaAeJAQjiiQlV030WJ.bmz_.PWtdo64gf7M2pwLgN3E1_XlGsgVN2L_IgxyHj4gqq60u.3pKbz5dw_ClYLzmHWJqjg0QcIW5 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:33:52 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Reply-To: psychle62@yahoo.com Subject: Re: OT Wanna here something beautiful by one of our own To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811191626x2c901efbr119725bcec7bfd6b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <923920.91027.qm@web45315.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Heh, I was wondering the same thing, so I went looking for it, and stumbled on another one Rick's sure to like, what with the very cool percussive instrument in the beginning part. I bet she WILL loop it at some point... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 --- On Wed, 11/19/08, Todd Matthews wrote: > From: Todd Matthews > Subject: Re: OT Wanna here something beautiful by one of our own > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2008, 7:26 PM > What's the link? > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Rick Walker > wrote: > > No looping here but I just feel like going out and > looping in my garage > > after hearing this > > beautiful live track with Jeff Beck and Imogen Heap. > > > > Thought I"d risk the OT and share it with > y'all. > > > > rick > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 05:06:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13B343BE85; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4924F04D.8070102@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:06:21 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Per wrote: "I'm still finding it hard to relate to that. Maybe you're view is a bit colored from some particular musicians you have been playing with? Obviously not very good musicians then, because I'm sure many would agree with me that the rhythm is way more important to master, than the tonal side, if you want to play the least expressive. "False" notes can still contain a meaningfull musical message as long as they are delivered with a good timing. And vice versa, perfect pitch in melody playing doesn't help a shit if your timing sucks. This is so basic that I suspect I'm missing some part of this discussion?" I'm with you in all of this, Per and I realize that I haven't been articulate enough about my feelings about all of this. Quickly, let me say that using the term Randomness in this thread was a poor choice of words and I apologize for it............obviously a group of randomly placed notes within a grid of 16th notes is just as non-random as a randomly distribution of pitches that fit into a grid of one scale or mode. So..........................to answer your question as best as I can: Without going too deeply into the subject (which would essentially be the book that I'm beginning to write on my observations of world rhythmic cultures and how to 'grok' them) let me talk for just a second about to basic rhythmic approaches to the rhythm world that seem to be found in our international live looping community (with the notable exception of aleatoric, non-rhythmic, avant garde, and experimental musics which eschew rhythmic repetition in a 'groove' sensibity. There are several more approaches but I wanted to talk about the differences that I see in these two approaches................both of which are heavily effected by current live looping programming paradigms (in software and hardware). The Polyrhythmic Groove approach (and by the use of the word Polyrhythm I don't mean even 2s against 3s against 5s against 7s or whatever which is the normal useage of the term-----I just mean several different rhythmic structures occurring simultaneously as in music of West, Central, East and South Africa and the African Diaspora cultures influenced by these original approaches. In this paradigm which is basically ritual and dance oriented, there are many interlocking rhythms that have a distinct relationship to each other. They tend to be defined by each other and they tend to either contrast or accentuate main syncopative feels in the rhythms. All the American/African Diaspora styles of pop music come from this paradigm: Blues, Jazz, Swing, Rhythm & Blues, Soul, Funk, Rock-a-billy, Country and Western, Rock and Roll (both early black Rock and Roll and later white Rock and Roll that emerged from it) and different regional styles like Zydeco, Norteno, Ra Ra, Salsa, Samba, Steel drum music, et. al.. Most of these traditions involved several drummers, drumming with interlocking patterns. Even the modern day drumset which has spread to the entire globe with the ubiquity of guitars, basses and electronic keyboards) was originally played by 2 or 3 drummers from the European/Turkish originated Marching Band traditions. When there are variations, they tend to us simple forms and the purpose of the variations is to make the 'groove' of the original rhythm stronger. In other words, the variations tend to support the existing rhythmic sycnopation as opposed to purposefully eschewing it (like in free jazz). This paradigm results in dancing grooves that are very unique in the way they effect the nervous system (and in the dance that results). As an example, if I play a Rock and Roll Rhythm like this: (where ever symbol represents a 16th note X = hi hat .K = Kick drum S = Snare drum * = a rest) X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X* K***S*****K*S*** *note= cut and paste this rhythm into a fixed font like Courier if you have trouble reading it here at L.D. and I suddenly throw in one single 16th note off beat on Snare Drum like this: X*X*X*X*X*X*X*X* K***S**S**K*S*** Your suddenly have a funk rhythm that has a completely different feel than the original rhythm. What this means is that you have to be very very careful about adding notes to your groove for fear of losing the original 'feel' or groove of the piece. One of the dominant arranging approaches uses what the Afro Cubans call, the concept of 'CRUZADO'. In other words , if you lay a rhythm on top of a preexisting sycopative groove that contains members not found in the original groove, you are said to be 'CRUZADO' (or crossed). In the case of the Clave (the two bar rhythms that define a lot of Afro Cuban music this causes a conflict that really interferes with the feeling of the original rhythm In this paradigm, one needs to eschew CRUZADO rhythms in order to stay rhythmically consistent or else one needs to use one or two bar repeating (and fairly non-syncopative) rhythms to contrast already existing syncopative 'base' rhythms. These rhythms I call 'FRAMING RHYTHMS' are intended to contrast original SYNCOPATIVE RHYTHMS with out causing a CRUZADO situation. You can think of the swing rhythm on hi hat, or the backbeat on snare in pop music as typical examples of FRAMING RHYTHMS that contrast the existing rhythms of the original sycopative groove (generally, but not always found in the kick drum patterns). (((((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) The other paradigm, I take from Indonesian, Malaysian and other , what I call, 'Gong' Cultures. In these rhythmic schemes different instruments punctuate the music in CYCLIC ways rather than in SYNCOPATIVE ways So many notes occur in the rhythmic arrangement that all of the notes of the "SYNCOPATIVE RESOLUTION" (a term defined as the lowest common denominator or smallest note value of the 'groove' of the music---this exludes things like 32nd note and faster 'embellishements') that all notes are played. This causes what the Indonesians call 'IRAMA'.....................or a rhythmic underpinning that is so full and constant that it makes for a percolative web over which other instruments can play more langorously. Okay, so if I were to take the whole rhythmic world and put it into these two camps (just a stupid thing to do, really, as we haven't talked about LINEAR SYNCOPATIVE rhythmic paradigms like those found in the Near and Middleastern (and all the countries colonized by those cultures in past history like Eastern Europe, Malaysian, et. al.) and LINEAR POLYRHYTHMIC paradigms like those of India and NON SYCOPATIVE SHAMANIC paradigms like those of the Native America Tribes of North and South America, the Inuit, Sami, Australian Aboriginal and Papua Guinea rhythmic cultures..................... ............but for the sake of argument, let's say we just had these two paradigms.............................. randomly replacing notes or randomly generating notes using live looping devices will work great with the IRAMA paradigm rhythmic approach and reeks havoc with the CRUZADO paradigm rhythmic approach. WHAT I WISH I COULD HEAR MORE OF FROM LIVE LOOPERS, SPECIFICALLY (give this approach) So, though, I think much great music can come from the 'all notes played and play over the top of it' approach which seem fairly easy to generate with Multiply and Replace functions I think it takes less knowledge of the way rhythm effects us to use this technique..................and it seems vastly more prevalent from a lot of the loopers I hear. The tendency is to "play up and over the rhythms" we generate as opposed to being really cognizant of the way our subsequent rhythmic playing works with the original rhythms and effects the listener. Using the CRUZADO method calls for much more carefully crafting of rhythms (or use of replace and copy functions) so that they form an interlocking but still syncopative approach. Now , because of the aforementioned hegemony of melody and harmonic arrangement over rhythmic arrangement that has come from Western Classical music, the IRAMA method is a simpler way to enter into more complex (or just simply solidly grooving minimalistic) rhythmic grooves. I, would just like to hear more sophisticated (or even simpler grooving) variation in the approaches..............utilizing more of the concepts of the African/African Diaspora paradigm, the Middle/Near Eastern paradigm and the Indian/Pakistani paradigms (which I haven't even talked about here for the purpose of brevity. Okay, I hope that explains better what my initial complaint was about, Per. Let me know if I was unclear about presenting what I'm trying to get across....................I've been feeling exceedingly bleery lately so I apologize if what I say doesn't follow or read well. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 05:11:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE92E3BE8A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:11:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rsVOex7hE8GlJWlnODwIFg)" In-reply-to: <4924F04D.8070102@cruzio.com> References: <4924F04D.8070102@cruzio.com> Message-id: <4FD7A199-0739-4990-A867-A88076395B76@mac.com> From: Toby Graves Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 21:09:57 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:11:08 +0000 (UTC) --Boundary_(ID_rsVOex7hE8GlJWlnODwIFg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Your suddenly have a funk rhythm that has a completely different > feel than the original rhythm. Yes, but that feel is gonna depend on how much it swings or how much the beat drags. Lars Ulrich could play that pattern and fit it in a Metallica song. --Boundary_(ID_rsVOex7hE8GlJWlnODwIFg) Content-type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable


On Nov 19, 2008, at 9:06 PM, Rick Walker = wrote:

Your = suddenly have a funk rhythm that has a completely different feel than = the original rhythm.


Yes, but = that feel is gonna depend on how much it swings or how much the beat = drags. =A0 Lars Ulrich could play that pattern and fit it in a Metallica = song.
= --Boundary_(ID_rsVOex7hE8GlJWlnODwIFg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 05:24:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B73FC3BE89; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=me+Obm5xvScQB2XjwU9GTVQQTI+M/0H3jujPJqfiwOY=; b=dFwkzdggS+elNGmlMZSjcOeHF4GKArDRUSdxRmj4pW2gURhLjDAR4R8yJ7Kxj42icB EzHzen11xIvrVI/EGE0bQmeiP1xE60Q9DFgQo3i34+Rlqetj2KVgEm6hSos1fCWTkbNx 4o7ZDecYmtjEys+QALYz4gW683kUKMjnajhVE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DaJa1i9vajZlCtN02AgHrpIeLnJrBlGpUlycTk0pWodXqIWkP/GRFe42zalfYonfR4 R5cRoyhjfof4X1JcK9yGPFh1E/1dStnwUQ6aa196KwPKI6HdnGmWIDjw/zoLchgXDZjL IyiEi0NateBZ66aUT4h3AhLiJDnNsFuZB22PE= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:24:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32633_4689275.1227158682089" References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 05:24:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_32633_4689275.1227158682089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2008/11/19 Stefan Tiedje Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the end you > can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has a beginning and > an end... > so then, why give it a single thought? > > I guess my "Namensvetter" Stefan called his tool Kenaxis because he thinks > that Xenakis ideas are an essential contribution to composing music, as well > as to improvisation... > regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site? thanks stefan, raul. I agree whole heartedly... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_32633_4689275.1227158682089 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
2008/11/19 Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com>

Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has a beginning and an end...

so then, why give it a single thought? 
 

I guess my "Namensvetter" Stefan called his tool Kenaxis because he thinks that Xenakis ideas are an essential contribution to composing music, as well as to improvisation...

 regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site?
 
thanks stefan,
raul.

I agree whole heartedly...

Stefan

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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_32633_4689275.1227158682089-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 07:30:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8E5B3BE86; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=JMOOyhaDi2TowPL3dLylnCDeUk7ot/oE6hDrrGoSqMU=; b=P/ik2ZKFzVb5yIrzxpXM3L3iKyFEx9DG3xNn2H6NFProZOWTvL/8fplfbk90Ir/Ggz XsIYKB4t2opkyKihwyFgxJjOGbkVDlOmTtAnEgKnFaCltGchZEOcdwz2XPZZ2ZGWoHnl nsVK/MdtX8vtb4fIEPwWxUBRvHYsBeToQ45a4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=SoQzebGpTfZq44XiknMOAq2dQ320FixxbIISBt8/qBeiA4iE/ogfG7lCJgpurrWyXf EMK1lvuEcw1aDRi9/UMLYiBj1AkV/MfEynDhbO7FIi41yBmjpyXNBR1CPRqWFo1emuLC 5A3FbBTfQxcJAu/Kjpx3zdjJvMnvHXI+qLds0= Message-ID: <49251215.1080207@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:30:29 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> <4923FCEA.7080805@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4923FCEA.7080805@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:30:32 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > Unfortunately, 128 steps is the standard that we have to work with for CC. If you receive controller 1 for the MSB (128-bit) and then receive controller 33 for the LSB just add 1/128th of that value to the MSB (in what ever range it was) and you get a higher precision... That should work with faderboxes of higher precision like a Motormix out of the box... If you do rapid prototyping in Max/MSP, have a look at my ctl.in abhaXion. The last versions of my St.ools are here... for Max 5: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/288305/St.ools%20for%205.zip for Max 4: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/288305/St.ools%20for%204.zip -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 07:33:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3C93BE89; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:33:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6puvxEtjV2JPalPYbTfX4lCMsHnoqLL8Z5vM1Zfp2Es=; b=pW3trCJkTP2cs1LDhS9C+BJDVTDmbbXPQgOvNmup3xrGf9a6wfhivMvtzmS8BdaQdT j68Fhd00kVcJ5M9T5kQY2oRU6U6gGUgXQ/EtV7MjSfI8JVhdImlIiZpRcXUUpmG+3AIp JokKxkKufD2FnQWp9AH5TCsT5QNic+U71J0DE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=flhrJab6oNhDw3D6upZRU8MuPi5jcZ8M8Flor60QREWjjx+5Q98CBSYjPdw/YK5+wa pKTGu5SQQfFOw+1ALiZ+ZmYz3qRrXPA7KCtsFGtl34gNjC8AipdDWpxUgM3/eHL9F9is R80oU8Zsod9yL8ezSxJ8ZWw1tbqnmljXZwpQQ= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:33:48 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68201_13443104.1227166428468" References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:33:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68201_13443104.1227166428468 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "When John Cage and many other composers started to seek for the chance, indeterminacy or improvisation in the late 1950s, Xenakis proposed the stochastic music. It is a mathematical method to construct unknown, but overall controlled complex sound movements from the repeated random trials. Without any musical premises such as theme, tone row or rhythmic patterns, using only Poisson distributions and other probability functions, one can determine every phase from the pitch, duration, density (number of sound within a unit time), timbre distribution to the overall structure (macro composition). With this method Xenakis composed a series of instrumental music starting with "Achorripsis"(1958) for 21 instruments and then "ST10", etc. with a computer program." http://www.suigyu.com/yuji/en-text/xenky.html On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed > about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site? > > > ------=_Part_68201_13443104.1227166428468 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline "When John Cage and many other composers started to seek
for the chance, indeterminacy or improvisation in the late 1950s,
Xenakis proposed the stochastic music.
It is a mathematical method to construct
unknown, but overall controlled complex sound movements
from the repeated random trials.
Without any musical premises
such as theme, tone row or rhythmic patterns,
using only Poisson distributions and other probability functions,
one can determine every phase
from the pitch, duration,
density (number of sound within a unit time), timbre distribution
to the overall structure (macro composition).
With this method Xenakis composed a series of instrumental music
starting with "Achorripsis"(1958) for 21 instruments
and then "ST10", etc. with a computer program."

http://www.suigyu.com/yuji/en-text/xenky.html



On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:


 regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site?
 


------=_Part_68201_13443104.1227166428468-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 07:37:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FD5D3BE8C; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=fc/hWH/3+810TK2PFG+263bLW9SMsR4VRfOUF+9ms0o=; b=gzKSea0PEYlwo0WEU+wJq+x/4983oFqwNZZ6TWkKjYo4bExX9ISaH0MBwQoDXrOkDK 6M5+mBhYcnoVskVrb9F59zwTIuPvf8NLGRFq055UPNWSC1IL3cqpFaX3afvGjaTMnWY4 p6Ew0Ul+Vasc/pugZ/sLjakVKbroXtvdi3IiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=PPe5DJZEP5ylmh7vhs3qWnMR3EnDvOvcQGAvNnHVMTi16CKKW5CnRnNPX9I/2YLJjz egfMozRwvM2KeiT4laqe+eAd0ePNSHBVElnOAsMuJXSqIdWG/Qe1KR6K6Sgbj4h+pE4Q zXHUllQc/tfv2C7Vb6uSusbaJEu8RGWaQdWX0= Message-ID: <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:37:22 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 07:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the > end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has > a beginning and an end... > > so then, why give it a single thought? If you don't care, you do it unconsciously and probably much worse than you could by just being aware of it. If you train your skills you gotta fly... > regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed > about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site? Xenakis was not at all into improvising, but a lot into form in composition. He wrote a whole book about it called "Formalized Music"... In his time the stochastic ideas he had would not have been possible to achieve in realtime, all was done in a long process, at the end he would have a score, which normal musicians could read (and hardly play...;-) Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 08:51:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41BC73BE8C; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 106396296/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.183.4/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.183.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYBABuzJElPTrcE/2dsb2JhbAAI0lCCfINL X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,639,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="106396296" Message-ID: <492525F5.1030405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:55:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> <4923FCEA.7080805@tiscali.co.uk> <49251215.1080207@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <49251215.1080207@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:51:50 +0000 (UTC) ta, Stefan, but what I *don't* know is what is the standard response curve for Midi PitchBend. I presume I need to do an exponential to convert from the data (calculated as you describe below) to the frequency. ...but wonder if that's actually the case, as for a 2 semitone bend a linear conversion sounds ok. many thanks for your help andy Stefan Tiedje wrote: > andy butler schrieb: >> Unfortunately, 128 steps is the standard that we have to work with for >> CC. > > If you receive controller 1 for the MSB (128-bit) and then receive > controller 33 for the LSB just add 1/128th of that value to the MSB (in > what ever range it was) and you get a higher precision... > > That should work with faderboxes of higher precision like a Motormix out > of the box... > > If you do rapid prototyping in Max/MSP, have a look at my ctl.in abhaXion. > > The last versions of my St.ools are here... > > for Max 5: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/288305/St.ools%20for%205.zip > for Max 4: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/288305/St.ools%20for%204.zip > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 09:48:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32E863BE86; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HPiAaErX/hd5z+m7GVdz5GgEq1Zub9jldPWiWS4goMo=; b=G54WDFuGFwiN3maX25RuA0e8pjC05dY3NIp67WJKASYuJjX+7v7cXM5xNEQegnup0W A9U6tjZ+2DhC3ZAPOkShNlF4goP6hc8xnDXuxelt8sUTHGGRAA6UOkZFDoNLMVe9cUgv 7Ki4ZsxuZ4an/17VsEg+jgcGZIXL/D4rMWkMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FKZOk93DFWQY1a1eAuOdfDHVn8ZCQ1iNvmy4de3oWqn1QP4tuDgC3A5yejdOeaYm6e IrDSPtk/YK9puBTt63Soh/FhMaM/XJnmvS3pIoEZlvzXX8+Ul7hnX/FPy6GdowgShk/p wOkYncWtDhwnGhBvEHfG/1m9nIcgzP7ef8wvw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811200147s2c8df717m5299b2df22b8e9c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:47:40 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:47:50 +0000 (UTC) > Raul Bonell schrieb: >> regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ideas versed >> about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site? On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Xenakis was not at all into improvising, but a lot into form in composition. > He wrote a whole book about it called "Formalized Music"... > > In his time the stochastic ideas he had would not have been possible to > achieve in realtime, all was done in a long process, at the end he would > have a score, which normal musicians could read (and hardly play...;-) It might be of interest to know that Xenakis very first inspiration that lead him into starting to compose music was hearing the war noise, as he was shot and lay wounded on the ground. The total randomness of all those canons, guns and combat tanks and air crafts made a huge impression on him, he writes in retrospect. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 10:10:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E4BB3BE8E; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=WxxerG1K9gok2wyUPbb9Q7qaVdAE9N7JmAmOQENUil8=; b=RO9zngPYlE2Xjs8FFl8sMS0n1p3WTz9vg61hkkjjf7CMj8bQYmIxy3sAUiTqfqGicm CnE+9NnpygyGuSA0cUqSWqMLNZbVIUJ0Lyb3ovj4J6UEz2JJny78M4IqTrygi5UtdRIV p3rePnpf1IVcJHkkQvOGsT9cJ+9wv73tg4vmE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NL/nB8a7yhgjeXop38TBlrpt4yUOM+BePK4aJvQFvyqnepKWtol6zdNKRldGNaMlDA cgJtI5xRMIXQHd2gNKPDwyRhD2LrS2e5PDm2lGaZbB5BZvIrwwXbdonOwBTUbFvIm5tN G1NF9my1hytf1Rrq5BiqyuLeYKti4zZ+damyg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811200210o534e56bai76e97e04c7e29bc9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:10:47 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness In-Reply-To: <4924F04D.8070102@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4924F04D.8070102@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:10:49 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 6:06 AM, Rick Walker wrote: > Okay, I hope that explains better what my initial complaint was about, > Per. Definitely - right on! But hey Rick - you posted a complete lecture on rhythm! Thanks a lot! (gotta PDF that one and snag it!) I totally see what you meant in that first post now - and I agree that most of us loopists still have lots of unexplored land to expand into that direction. >From the first post, I mistakenly thought you maybe were hinting at the way "work of art" is legally filed regarding copyright. Of course it's just craps for brains that only the rough notation of the lead melody is used as the basic reference, but as someone already pointed out: that's a heritage from old days when music could only be distributed as scores on paper, besides a sounding live performance. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 10:56:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1023BE86; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: micdave@hiwaay.net Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Earl Palmer and the Backbeat: was : Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:55:35 -0800 Message-Id: <20081120103505.M93286@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: <7exHzD.A.xmB.iJUJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the post and the heads up, Dave, Man, oh man, I didn't realize the Earl Palmer had passed away. That makes me so sad. I got to meet him and talk to him in New Orleans for the PASIC there, years ago. He was a great guy and an inspiration to me. When did he die and how old was he? He started it all, man!!! I studied with Dr. John's drummer, Ricky Sebastion and have been a huge fan of Nahlins 2nd line music and other southern and early blues/rock/r&b/funk traditions all of my life. I once had a fantastic 2 hour drunken conversation/sharing of notes at one of the PASICs with Galactic's youngish New Orleans drummer, Stanton Moore, who is considered an expert in New Orleans drumming history and the origin of the drumset. I learned several things from him and I taught him a couple of things he didn't know himself. I was blessed to be at the New Orleans PASIC when there was a three hour lecture on the history of New Orleans drums by Earl, Herman Riley and Johnny Vidocovich. I heard things in those oral speeches that I had never read in the several histories of New Orleans music and the history of the drum set that I had read. So much of that history is still orally passed on. I have yet to read a book that is comprehensive on that history, but of one thing is certain............Earl Palmer can be credited with the introduction of the loud backbeat on snare in modern music....................may this legendary innovator long be remembered (though I think, regrettably that he may not be.) At that clinic he talked about how he tried to reconcile the swung feel of the upright bass player and the 16th notes played (Jerry Lee Lewis styled) on the piano by playing a groove that was exactly in the middle between the triplet and the straight feel. He said that if he played perfect 67% swing (as in jazz and shuffles) that the music sounded horrible. I sounded equally as bad if he played straight at 50% with his 8ths notes. By playing somewhere in the middle (probably between 56% and 58% swing on those early tracks) that it all grooved. He called it the 'wiggly area'. He said that after their incredible successes with Fats Domino and Little Richard at Cosimos Studio in New Orleans that people would rent the studio out to just to get some of that gold record juju. He said the black musicians who came in were convinced that they had played regular shuffles (67% swing) and the white musicians who came in were convinced that they had played 50% or straight 8ths................He said they sat back and laughed that nobody could figure out what he had actually done. If you go back and listen to those early records, there is a stunningly sophisticated and complex polyrhythmic feel that can either be heard as straight or swung. I spent a couple of years playing every single percentage of swing using a drum machine as a template so taht I could play comfortably with even such a small amount of swing that most musicians would hear it as being straight. There's a lot of mojo in those grooves that aren't perfect. If you want to hear someone nail that shit to the wall, reference the drumming of Lean Mean WIllie Green with the Neville Brothers. He has so many subtle variations on the swung feel and with the 2nd line simulations provided by all the members of the Neville Brothers playing 2nd line rhythms, freely on different cowbells that is a murderously funky (and unusual rhythm section). For anyone interested and I can highly recommend this set for non-drummers as well as drummers, you can refer to the three DVD set of the History of New Orleans drumming by the Drummers Collective. It's fascinating stuff but I wish they had produced a video of that amazing PASIC clinic. Long Live Earl Palmer!!!!!! Joko mo fee na ney! -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 14:05:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F3783BE8A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:05:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: y2k8loopfest@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:04:26 -0800 Message-Id: <20081120134109.M83942@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:05:23 +0000 (UTC) to this: "Your suddenly have a funk rhythm that has a completely different feel than the original rhythm." Toby Graves responded: "Yes, but that feel is gonna depend on how much it swings or how much the beat drags. Lars Ulrich could play that pattern and fit it in a Metallica song." Obviously, the feel of a rhythm can morph depending on it's use of swing; playing ahead or behind the beat, Toby. The distinction in the cased you are talking about, however, is timbral and NOT rhythmic. Looking at the history of the developement of syncopation in pop music in the United States in the 20th century, the first example I wrote came first and was associated with rhythm and blues or soul.................it has an 8th note syncopative resolution. The second example introduces an implied 16th note syncopative resolution and occurred several years after the advent of the first rhythm; first with James Browns' drummers and then later with the style that came to be known as Funk. Metallica could play the second rhythm, but it's roots would still be in Funk as a style from a rhythmic historical perspective and NOT in Rock and Roll (the genre associated with Metallica)...............the fact that they'd use liberal use of distortion and James rough vocal approach (and I dig Metallica, by the way) only changes the timbre of the piece, not the rhythm. If he were to swing it slightly (or even greatly) it would merge into hip hop as a style (and this is largely due to the fact that inexpensive drum machines used in early hip hop, had 58% swing capabilities that were used by the early producers to get a different feel. As soon as Bonham started introducing 16th note funk rhythms into hard rock with Led Zepellin or when Quiincy Jones put a rock and roll 8th note groove under MIchael Jackson's decidedly funk/r&b rhythmic approach (and then added icing to the cake by having Eddy Van Halen play a blistering heavy metal lead over the whole stew), the styles of rock, jazz, r&b, soul and funk began to merge all over popular music. Now you have heavily EBM/Industrial influenced Samba records...........they fit into the Industrial sub genre, stylistically because of the way they sound, but their historic rhythmic roots are still in Afro- Brazilian music which further illustrates my point: In repetitive 'groove' oriented syncopated rhythmic pop music, each individual rhythm has a distinct personality and affects the nervous system in a different way. Even by changing only the voices in a rhythmic arrangement (think playing Cream's 'Sunshine of Your Love" with the backbeat on the 2 and 4 ---- thank you Earl Palmer instead of the way Ginger Baker played it on the 1 and the 3) you have a distinctively different rhythm. If Metallica played both rhythms in back to back songs on the same record, the songs would each have a distinctively different feel. Does that make sense? -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 14:12:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC7643BE8E; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=iFgsHm2XnbO/qhWHVpD++FvG3EDq/G57BGlXP3qHQUM=; b=SN09+NtvJZOfBiIBMZ9US4veKvmGtYlgsn30McmbrsuW3M2cNS0+tv4i7qi47iWN8E FuciewAp/1BnDPZbby0esDpI+3GJIkW/HuhpSx6ZaWDCcVOn/9nJRuzbL3cvK8Q5ZGpA NNV7kXCS9VVrpnZrg25fTkcSvMETx0mDw5xD8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=BCt/Php2X0fyCRlnEtfs4F/SyBBV7ozK86+bZQEgTrKvfC5IYzNHrB2WX5+GWGHJiY 3KRVV0cd2moZpao4Ev9QAwjg7U1UyYwlE46hbocK+zcuHOycXLb+qnLLCiFM2+Tpkfsh EwienMW5grs7tuGvkCRb5PnL9RcwCIGra8RPw= Message-ID: <49257061.5000409@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:12:49 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V08 #897 References: <20081119215009.D66673BE93@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 14:12:52 +0000 (UTC) samba - schrieb: > The reality is that one can obtain copyright for the notatable parts > of muic,this does include the rhythmic quaities of a pitch bsed > piece,but what is written is melodic. One can't copyright a groove,a > texture or a timbre. At least in Germany that isn't true. The copyright laws are not specific in this regard for good reason. They only require a certain depth of the work to be considered for being protected. In general if any untrained amateur can do it, its not copyrightable, if you need knowledge and experience to create it is protected. There are examples though which usually relate to recognizable melodies. Though a melody can't exist without a rhythm, a rhythm can easily exist without a melody. Maybe it has mainly financial reasons, to consider a melody with a simple rhythm more complex than a rhythm without melody... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 16:56:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD9B33BE86; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=8dhSGluuMEFe7krdizRT7YBPrYHwwPkTM/J2tcT7Mdw=; b=P0HGmK6CU06ux3EsXD5aoz70yhdvXLBzmP/flIzYnzSb3eUZHXFxcnJc6zHd3bHwOt Ao9tU1V6B6WviB1NCVg4POzczvauxjkAb1bl0/lGouOMAcWcHeOfeWdbVitmFYLM6Brr batqttpOUzIScrVJEaoOSR2H51l2ReeM/hRTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Sj0pQm2cC4EnrBwZu683RzC8RxdLgHS1j7bt7zYTQIDLz+QV6CKHiPDkvuxpFd+kr1 X9rnJwU5mm/PJjeWrOzEwShpgHOHspIAjoLayBwPPsXPYg7wcTRQvBL4xqZi56EVZSLd 2BaQgcexyBtrovleBhd0lF+goeVdnWG3Jx6Yo= Message-ID: <9561ebff0811200856t1cff92afh2d7a8349bd9128da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:56:03 -0800 From: sanfoin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar and vocal FXs software In-Reply-To: <883983.11406.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_120322_5947613.1227200164029" References: <883983.11406.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:56:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_120322_5947613.1227200164029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Guitar Rig 3 works fine with my acoustic guitar (though an electric sounds better). The sound quality will vary with different guitars & pickups, but on the whole it's safe to say that the quality is very good. All the effects that you mentioned Luis in your post are available in GR3. Although like any other guitar modeling software GR3 is designed primarily for distortion loving "shredders", it is not difficult to do away with the grungy stuff and get a clean sound with an acoustic -- or, with some of the ultra cool special fx like Space Echo & Pscyhedelay, to make your guitar sound like something else altogether! If you're interested in trying it out, GR3 may still be available as a free trial download from NI. . . If you're looking to free up space and simplify your setup, you might also consider the Rig Kontrol (sic) which comes packaged with GR3. Using this controller in tandem with the software is very easy, and with it you can control *any* parameter in GR3. This is also an interface in its own right, and with two inputs and two balanced outs, as a solo performer I find that I don't need anything else, except a midi controller for Mobius. I run my guitar into one input, and a mic into the other (via an impedance adapter), and split these two channels in GR3 so that I can assign different modulations to each. My midi controller, a Yamaha MFC10, plugs directly into the RK. So far I've been using Ableton Live as the host program. One disadvantage to GR3 is that it uses alot of CPU power -- almost 25% on my computer. This is an obvious limitation, but one probably not so relevant to live performance as to recording/studio work . . . On 11/18/08, L.Angulo wrote: > Hi gang, > is there a good acoustic guitar software outhere like for ex.guitar rig but > more for acoustic? essentials would be good analog delays,parametric and > graphic eqs,reverbs octave pitch shifters and booster with the ability to be > controlled by a midi FC. > Also vocal harmonizers with efx such delays,reverbs,eqs etc. > i would like to try this with mobius and see if i could minimize floor > space. > Thanx! > > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > ------=_Part_120322_5947613.1227200164029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Guitar Rig 3 works fine with my acoustic guitar (though an electric sounds better). The sound quality will vary with different guitars & pickups, but on the whole it's safe to say that the quality is very good.
 
All the effects that you mentioned Luis in your post are available in GR3. Although like any other guitar modeling software GR3 is designed primarily for distortion loving "shredders", it is not difficult to do away with the grungy stuff and get a clean sound with an acoustic -- or, with some of the ultra cool special fx like Space Echo & Pscyhedelay, to make your guitar sound like something else altogether!
 
If you're interested in trying it out, GR3 may still be available as a free trial download from NI. . .
 
If you're looking to free up space and simplify your setup, you might also consider the Rig Kontrol (sic) which comes packaged with GR3. Using this controller in tandem with the software is very easy, and with it you can control any parameter in GR3.
 
This is also an interface in its own right, and with two inputs and two balanced outs, as a solo performer I find that I don't need anything else, except a midi controller for Mobius. I run my guitar into one input, and a mic into the other (via an impedance adapter), and split these two channels in GR3 so that I can assign different modulations to each. My midi controller, a Yamaha MFC10, plugs directly into the RK. So far I've been using Ableton Live as the host program.
 
One disadvantage to GR3 is that it uses alot of CPU power -- almost 25% on my computer. This is an obvious limitation, but one probably not so relevant to live performance as to recording/studio work . . .
 

On 11/18/08, L.Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi gang,
is there a good acoustic guitar software outhere like for ex.guitar rig but more for acoustic? essentials would be good analog delays,parametric and graphic eqs,reverbs octave pitch shifters and booster with the ability to be controlled by a midi FC.
Also vocal harmonizers with efx such delays,reverbs,eqs etc.
i would like to try this with mobius and see if i could minimize floor space.
Thanx!

Luis

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom





------=_Part_120322_5947613.1227200164029-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 18:45:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4CFC3BE82; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=utP+bA6o6gKfz3P5b5KVUJbpPbKayUWnpZvWzaNpCgg=; b=ltBJM6D3zdOqcs6tOnmYalDY1Jf38yZIRzb/YsLW5j6EgXm2rw9VeK9D8DYrk2ovLq SruKveLZsU7aYQz+osIPvwk8qb0XQB8wBFm7CkjLjM/Y+eAamp5gK39HrSwgXDwg/zJG 404K96nyCNJPXb1g0pTQpElqXM8uXycOOgyo4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=hCFbA8WhMt5OjuMF86R2/GSCtoIBFIa25oQbWxeYBIZ5W7wvmIvHG+VmdeX3Pt322c MONK3RQu6O+gZLGkkGj8uZKqmaQVFybYplJT5nr3bj1Kd8frg5Zs5Y9iT2OO2iYOo4nz U5IbXoz8GF/qLM54Gu9zKZ8DGrLUOrHYcYMkU= Message-ID: <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:45:40 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_118103_21001428.1227206740406" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 36a601ef906f2e6c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85689 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:45:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_118103_21001428.1227206740406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's true, but that's what i heard. all the other responses address cpu primarily, not disk, so i don't know if they'd help - can't hurt, tho. (it could, in fact, be a misleading error message as so many are, and it could conceivably be a cpu problem which Logic is *reporting* as a disk problem, or a cpu problem which causes a disk problem). if cpu is the issue, it couldn't hurt to turn off any effects on the tracks you're recording until playback time.... On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > ...and Airport. > > TH > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:15 AM, RP Collier wrote: > >> >> On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >> >> Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas? >>> >> >> >> >> >> Make sure you turn off Safari. >> And iTunes and anything else not needed. >> >> >> > ------=_Part_118103_21001428.1227206740406 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's true, but that's what i heard. all the other responses address cpu primarily, not disk, so i don't know if they'd help - can't hurt, tho. (it could, in fact, be a misleading error message as so many are, and it could conceivably be a cpu problem which Logic is *reporting* as a disk problem, or a cpu problem which causes a disk problem). if cpu is the issue, it couldn't hurt to turn off any effects on the tracks you're recording until playback time....

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
...and Airport.

TH


On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:15 AM, RP Collier <skeptikalist@gmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote:

Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas?




Make sure you turn off Safari.
And iTunes and anything else not needed.




------=_Part_118103_21001428.1227206740406-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 19:10:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3ECF3BE8A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Tra12kBhfpMG+m+p8X5cd6O+B5AujHwo18owik/zjGQ=; b=dmqGfcW8PA20CKegOsvm3oYI4q9RxhmzZOn5/Ta+RKbFtuE2FnDZU3BWySYgZx31c6 fZYK9aFfxq5zgBZWI2WTQ4vOPxDrz2xpWoBzaYPxw7gbfQllw8VOuGDueWLyIib3UCkN 2swSXyZPKegyTS2IsOSoZTyDpcOqebTqwNUdo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=qoojXSE+ml7Xk1BElDIenAYrMngQRCFnIACjuio5dG/iaqNXv7oo0iUWH7GV2MYBp+ EYe6HskE2Msxo58dqspi84p9WvMZGKzG0kiQwYm0VhFw5wKgNnhoawFyINSNs+5btGRH Z3YpF6wDcDOAqOhvY2vmRk9/7g7PrVyVI+vxc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1738B2E8-46B8-403B-BA2F-6DEC0C0DC8D2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:10:35 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: <4TGhJ.A.NGD.yYbJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:10:42 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 20, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Warren Sirota wrote: > supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if > that's true, but that's what i heard. OSX will automatically optimize the drive but you have to leave it in sleep mode because the operation is set for late night off-hours. The maintenance I think is defaulted to monthly but can be changed to weekly or even daily with a "sudo prompt" in Terminal. Check the Apple forums. I have not used Logic but folks I have talked to generally have used an external drive for the Logic database so as not to fill up the main drive. Or they use an external drive for the scratch disk. If Logic is anything like some of the DAW software I've used, I would think you would need at least 10GB of disk scratch space free and clear -- for holding undo versions, clipboard copies, etc. -- or things will slow down. (especially for 24bit -- perhaps there is some tweaking that needs to be done for that?) Also, in terms of closing unnecessary programs, there are some 3rd party apps that will let you turn off Dashboard. And you probably want to turn off energy saving modes. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j Flickr set http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 19:45:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608243BE84; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=te5aiLrwnzPM1nNOCVhXMNoBurIWtT8XWJMlKwoap8U=; b=v4zuQIdihj62qasXNqPLNhuli59s1T7DGSrV6wV1iYKfpO6iIkHDvpqZxj+TNTWTVv jxBApkfFqG3mT2CKT8WflQMbTe/pRuLA5CJBIXvcQ7SDFUMcDpICdJ/1mcy0SlnWFo1o jQN/tZVsU/j3fWSnK7S7MNgqDt9SRBfCvor6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=RrgwSu7jjkTQZ/eewf5NPa2cLUYx/t34BZs8XBqyeftF44gNHYVKLbgp3fTG0Mw7MK lyxdv4gIsx1tKym4ZWoyFlnZ4PGFH7IITEZrUroCG6Z9cUYJ+lnmDGSeZaP1+3pG3ydE qiSLdRfE8z9MBiOK6rnbCdsqYMoihxYyr4LJw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:45:44 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Nov 19, 2008, at 7:07 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: >>> >>>> Should I maybe defrag my hard disk? Any other ideas? That error message is a known Logic issue. What you can do is to generally go through the preferences settings and change them for the least CPU demanding alternative all over. Try a bigger buffer, turn off Software Monitoring, set ReWire behavior to "Playback Mode (Less CPU) etc etc. Also make sure you have the ReWire functionality set to the low cpu usage alternative. And make sure you don't have a lot of plug-ins open on hidden busses or channels that are not visible in the arrange window (and maybe then also not in the mixer, due to your mixer settings). I have rarely had any problems with that error message although I work with Logic at least every second day. But I have read on Logic fora that some people see it quite often. It makes no sense to move the Logic library content data somewhere else, as someone suggested. Unless you are short of disk space of course, but then you're fried anyway. OS X generally demands a lot of free disk space in order to keep the system at good performance. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 23:24:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C0E3BE85; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:24:21 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190352p209066adj6e1a79c8a9fd1a3f@mail.gmail.com> <03470394-AE6D-405A-B4D5-3DDABD62033C@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/ezWB2iC3eueYBJiU0l47Yg9ifSDfGy3ZLkJ0z3g /wxy+skSlzLkitkljBxuy5zdmstyXUS97knA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: kskTeMg5YmYBWJ8snnY3g4VCWkZTQdSS X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:24:24 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the hints. When I moved from PC to Mac, I thought I would be done with all the tweaking under the hood. No wonder some people still prefer hardware vs. software. I should go back to my good ol' Tascam 788 multitracker... *sigh* thanks again Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 23:27:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDFF13BE8A; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:27:39 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081120232739.28130@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+gUg1Q0WSgmog+5nnwXRy7XoaxKOrnys7nO0/0Ly aarxJD1c8RDWoy9V2AY2d8b/uDXkto8HEz3Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: X8AXesw9PTR+K54oyjMwrZY5c2tpZAvo X-FuHaFi: 0.71 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mech > Oh, it'll do those "telephone type" effects. There's a distortion > block that'll allow you to re-EQ for all kinds of effects like that, > IIRC. did you really get any decent "telephone effect"? I always ended up with so much feedback - I gave it up. Good point you made: it's not only for vocals. Whenever you need decent reverbs in you chain. Too bad it's only MonoIn>mono/stereoOut best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 20 23:49:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 903B83BE81; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:49:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Sjaak" To: Subject: RE: Rhythmic Randomness vs. Melodic Randomness Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c94b6a$9e034200$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081119171445.M54899@cruzio.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel 20001; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:49:43 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > So, I get a little frustrated. As a drummer (and > budding melodist as a multi-instrumentalist) I am > always trying to learn more about harmony and melody. I > feel lonely sometimes when it seems that > the bulk of harmonic/melodic players don't seem nearly as > interested in rhythm. It's hard for me to > accept the limited roll that rhythm has been assigned in > western music (with the exception of a lot > of later avant garde classical composition in the latter half > of the 20th century) Dear Rick, fantastic thread, thanks to share your thoughts with us. Really great! I started thinking about what makes rhythm so special for me personally. Although I have no rhythmn background, rhythm can keep me improvising for hours and hypnotise me. I has been a while ago I played some rhythmic stuff but this thread inspired me to record a live improv (rehearsal) this afternoon.... I don't know how to describe this style, but thank you for your inspiration :) Enjoy it. http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/How_we_remember.mp3 --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 00:04:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DD6D3BE84; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:04:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=BpIBv/7h8H8zP4uwdHRHkEt9cT5TMvnO2ktpgf0P7js=; b=PCM4YUN63UXOnm1YsKaA6Q0szQNgN+3T3RWEz3derFtyrFuEek1Zs+GKuvPzHRSBcv o+v7YrRBGHSwTOODbob1Sw9RVETupvBt68qxRUp9KfIXWtTc2HPxRMzlt4S3FHIihUzL /6ppBOAnaf/E/idIaVJqOhC+ikWIQ0KJuiaiM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=m4uhaHAlSL9+E5Bi7PQnEV8EHhd/4bGYEgaKMcD70vu6wUy7T7JdzDHEtXeKtmH6Jl UWuQ/6sIpJro2fwXDYKtsYPO4BmDelJJwlZW9McDaX9+iiEC4MI/Sby0NOLcmdPo0faw 91EnJ4CDAaHnXpfkfj1Fl7mFkWASn96ReUfGs= Message-ID: <3fa302e30811201604h6dc00ab4g2ed8d457c1dc585a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:04:43 -0800 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_97405_2363637.1227225883744" References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:04:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_97405_2363637.1227225883744 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Being conscious of one's intent and actions can help progression, but another question? Why play for anyone, anywhere? If a musician / artist / player / shaman states, "I play for myself and don't consider the audience at all." What is the reason for the performance? Personal pleasure / Voyeurism (on the audience's part)? No expectations at all? That is rarely the case: I've found that even the most diehard artiste usually has some expectation of themselves and their personal experience as well as hopes that the audience has some desired experience. Now we can ask why? Why the expectations? I've asked myself this question many times in the last couple decades and found myself lacking because I DO selfishly play (or used to) with little regard for my audience. The longer I did this, the more uncomfortable it felt until I actually had trouble constructing sentences and began drooling too much to go out in public. 8-p The cure for me has been to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which has been quite liberating. I DO desire recognition from my peers, but I now ask why? Community? Ephipany? Comfort? Pleasure? Ego? Embarrassment? Dig deep enough and the motivation can be troubling. It's always comforting to know people "get it" but I've had some fundamental philosophical dilemmas which discourage my enterprise and motivation. I mostly cease to care anymore and just play to hear music for myself. I've come to find after much personal inquiry, (and a good deal of interviewing others), that motivation mostly comes from outside of the musical experience. "To get laid", shallow as it sounds, actually makes a lot of sense. *-) On 11/19/08, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > Raul Bonell schrieb: > >> Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the >> end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has >> a beginning and an end... >> >> so then, why give it a single thought? >> > ------=_Part_97405_2363637.1227225883744 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Being conscious of one's intent and actions can help progression, but another question?

Why play for anyone, anywhere? If a musician / artist / player / shaman states, "I play for myself and don't consider the audience at all."  What is the reason for the performance? Personal pleasure / Voyeurism (on the audience's part)?  No expectations at all? That is rarely the case: I've found that even the most diehard artiste usually has some expectation of themselves and their personal experience as well as hopes that the audience has some desired experience. Now we can ask why? Why the expectations?

I've asked myself this question many times in the last couple decades and found myself lacking because I DO selfishly play (or used to) with little regard for my audience. The longer I did this, the more uncomfortable it felt until I actually had trouble constructing sentences and began drooling too much to go out in public. 8-p  The cure for me has been to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which has been quite liberating.

I DO desire recognition from my peers, but I now ask why? Community? Ephipany? Comfort? Pleasure? Ego? Embarrassment? Dig deep enough and the motivation can be troubling. It's always comforting to know people "get it" but I've had some fundamental philosophical dilemmas which discourage my enterprise and motivation. I mostly cease to care anymore and just play to hear music for myself. I've come to find after much personal inquiry, (and a good deal of interviewing others), that motivation mostly comes from outside of the musical experience. "To get laid", shallow as it sounds, actually makes a lot of sense.  *-)

On 11/19/08, Stefan Tiedje <stefantiedje@googlemail.com> wrote:
Raul Bonell schrieb:
   Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In the
   end you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece has
   a beginning and an end...

so then, why give it a single thought?
------=_Part_97405_2363637.1227225883744-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 04:28:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EFEE3BE86; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:28:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7qUqbcnzcQLJiO4vfCsYYCyhGck0Oc+xPAIVHjymyHY=; b=d1sNVbAyapMkeBfkkYiOsWlknU2kx8wd2e6nvmyMrTC35Ss1tp+X4+fiMN7/84E5ah 3HEMBMb0UOZ6r9uyapK8DJprNJ8Ik8pocgl/hT2K/TgL7CqvZ/g05frDyPdOBc1+vLqW 1ZjHjq7TvewDmbqz9hywJdhnedYwVdgJ1Zo4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=unscOOp5MImyyk5aecWAndJ2VRj0EjhBXaGZ8tSRxr9Y0ZqkhM1yT1IQ/ZeUrDyta+ ghXspSFFaGb0pCUl8y2rsKNlTflHy2WjDM+j1pFs5iNkapTMY9x8rW0uVmJUenDc7i/d 4oMwqUPJsBOFQjR8SDyWZswdOw0m+7dDNT2rg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:28:01 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lots of videos and pix posted from Scandinavian Looping Tour In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811171415r2f8ec8fckc7335c607574de01@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_55408_25028820.1227241681372" References: <66f9cc1e0811171415r2f8ec8fckc7335c607574de01@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4-De6.A.HfB.TjjJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:28:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_55408_25028820.1227241681372 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Funny pics guys... happy people.Love you both! 2008/11/17 Per Boysen > Hi, > > I have uploaded 38 pictures and 32 videos from the 2nd Swedish Live > Looping Tour in May 2008. Rick Walker and I traveled around > Scandinavia for a month with this "Open Stage For Live Looping" > project and played with hordes of awesome guest musicians. > > I've cut out most of the documentation of us eating or making silly > jokes - so no one will see that - which typically happens from not > bringing a dedicated camera person along (meaning I rarely had the > time to both perform music and do filming, but when eating and joking > I had all the time in the world to goof around with the camera. Oh > well...) > > I put it all on Facebook because it was convenient uploading. Here are > the links: > > Pictures: > http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8178437050&ref=mf > > Videos: > http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=666476971 > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_55408_25028820.1227241681372 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Funny pics guys... happy people.
Love you both!

2008/11/17 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Hi,

I have uploaded 38 pictures and 32 videos from the 2nd Swedish Live
Looping Tour in May 2008. Rick Walker and I traveled around
Scandinavia for a month with this "Open Stage For Live Looping"
project and played with hordes of awesome guest musicians.

I've cut out most of the documentation of us eating or making silly
jokes - so no one will see that - which typically happens from not
bringing a dedicated camera person along (meaning I rarely had the
time to both perform music and do filming, but when eating and joking
I had all the time in the world to goof around with the camera. Oh
well...)

I put it all on Facebook because it was convenient uploading. Here are
the links:

Pictures:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8178437050&ref=mf

Videos:
http://www.facebook.com/video/?id=666476971

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
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And what = about Cage ideas on improvising?
I think he didn't like the r= egular jazz improv. method,
but i remember to have read he found = a way that
proved o.k. for improvising...
Anybody could tell me where i= might have read this?
I own almost all the books from Marion Boy= ars Ed.,
but can't find the quote. Perhaps the internet...

Asked this same question in a Cage related forum but
never got an answer, possibly due to my bad english. :-(
=
Thanks,
Ra=FCl.

2008/11/20 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
> Raul Bonell schrieb:

>> regarding improvisation, could you point out what xenakis' ide= as versed
>> about it, please. i'm really interested. any related site?

On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:37 AM, Stefan Tiedje<= br> <stefantiedje@googlemail.= com> wrote:

> Xenakis was not at all into improvising, but a lot into form in compos= ition.
> He wrote a whole book about it called "Formalized Music"...<= br> >
> In his time the stochastic ideas he had would not have been possible t= o
> achieve in realtime, all was done in a long process, at the end he wou= ld
> have a score, which normal musicians could read (and hardly play...;-)=


It might be of interest to know that Xenakis very first inspiration that lead him into starting to compose music was hearing the war
noise, as he was shot and lay wounded on the ground. The total
randomness of all those canons, guns and combat tanks and air crafts
made a huge impression on him, he writes in retrospect.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedi= sh)
www.looproom.com = (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




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TPO at myspace: http= ://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_55646_17308252.1227242458612-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 04:58:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DF013BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=O85oZ0mjjV/e0CgPU2Yahe9UxGs15fzleVQl16geNeE=; b=S8SsFvxm/iTA9nXavKHKK2XTC7iWNZinQTVY7TrMVVpcGOY/CbZHPhDCMGoSAeAjhR XGeS9vf+0XBxOC6mz42TFKXlG1PixiyNhPpjV3VTAPWpV/+FG6PfuqveA7gkWsCtSfiC UA+u08FjLt+EWYD9pdDszZ/cZkmEvsehLCwYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=FUGqdrc5Nb6nS+bL4/v6xQ9LrArh+aeSSbZ+iG2PizIJfORNLWXSB2CKR0bZ6OgVK7 I+BOquH8MSiIjDSYmoW4Y3RO7CWEa5zu/9WboT5O3yxRXeioS/stL+Jd9eF1VtZU9hXq wKeQI75kc/ogo/mkZgxewVANJmQ7WeWA/pzJo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:58:50 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" , zonemobius@yahoogroups.com Subject: cheap looping AU plugin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56066_6584508.1227243530554" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:58:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_56066_6584508.1227243530554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys, just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. i was using the combo bidule+mobius in the bootcamp partition, but would like to loop a bit with leopard :-) ... not tested the standalone 1.31 mobius version for mac, yet. what your preferences are with what's available right now? any comparisons about bidule or mainstage as hosts for looping? raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_56066_6584508.1227243530554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi guys,

just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of
looping plugin to test it inside mainstage.

i was using the combo bidule+mobius in the bootcamp partition,
but would like to loop a bit with leopard :-) ... 
not tested the standalone 1.31 mobius version for mac, yet.

what your preferences are with what's available right now?
any comparisons about bidule or mainstage as hosts for looping?

raul.   

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_56066_6584508.1227243530554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 09:12:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E188D3BE81; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=bS9F4niuWyZ/VS76io8rjM4iOVHCXjKqj2JhaBF9UCI=; b=rZsxrJoVbdJRK0QLR4o1jh5T0xzTwvQq24OX1h+7eleKN3C3PoQxZQRS0snAPDUfo4 ywntoh0FF7a+ZXPRt5VG5eog68BCii+UVdlaWmXRGGrjaZj62Fa1OSlBX+RLNflCqSaY x+5qe+JKYVzbNxuSfd946XuEUk2+n5FuKPtb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mLifOy9jshk/f89oA5gIgwuDLCz4TxYxd21PCBgyaoBV7Q+0uAS6Jj1VjXUKwCEIEC z1W7eKF8o+1Ekis7HrH5itFEKUnmODcjWe30FEpFz5OGn+jmbyLyNenhL8lJGLKFre48 AK/TlCkIf83VjjLC8B0PcGM5QnIQfcT2FQ1dY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:12:53 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: beea625afb77e38b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) well, there's Augustus Loop: http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/augustusloop.html $49, or if you want really cheap, you can still get the previous version for $29. can't comment on Bidule vs Mainstage - I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Live user. cheers, os. 2008/11/21 Raul Bonell : > hi guys, > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. > i was using the combo bidule+mobius in the bootcamp partition, > but would like to loop a bit with leopard :-) ... > not tested the standalone 1.31 mobius version for mac, yet. > what your preferences are with what's available right now? > any comparisons about bidule or mainstage as hosts for looping? > > raul. > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 09:20:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316893BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OURCVPgX/Y/9xscg7+n2TS8xss1A+QPhCdRAIwMCYHM=; b=rkQt7oMU6RSGO/W8v+q9wxirOF9WuhbOhm/+02OVn5rhWD6UAO3Su2h8mcY9L2XqWE EycBdQwEL84lql6Z5CTiiXeR1GzU9N4a+LrhAe8xYJLLBLsLRg6ckKl53u6bF7Qfnxx8 sjALjCHqN3kt9fQr7sRF8hW61yflkN8A8IQMM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=r6ulExV6ltxLBLPpNwbJR4xsqi+mMDmlPk4tGU0614gwfOKiX+gu3M80tIOrPV5vty J5lVC2hcpk/d8ucdrnmzCcpwDMHisfbmRP/lSVsMLZDRz6oNrjuORd1hYE5+CriZCPx2 3CIm9LSWznJ1O11qitfbeogAi3T0fAiiWWe+Q= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:20:23 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_109728_14127175.1227259223470" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811190448t3be88cefn9a6fcd5f5faed3fb@mail.gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: <1um0h.A.L6H.Y1nJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:20:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_109728_14127175.1227259223470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline there is a widget called Maintidget that you can install to manually run th= e cleanup scripts any time you want, instead of leaving your computer on all night http://www.giantmike.com/widgets/Maintidget.html dunno if it improves performance in Logic though...you're better off gettin= g the buffer settings right. i had lots of problems running Logic 4.2 on my old G4 titanium with "disk too slow" messages and it's the buffer settings and disk cache stuff that sorts it out sim On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > thanks for all the hints. When I moved from PC to Mac, I thought I would = be > done with all the tweaking under the hood. > > No wonder some people still prefer hardware vs. software. > I should go back to my good ol' Tascam 788 multitracker... *sigh* > > thanks again > Buzap > -- > Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K11308T456= 9a > > ------=_Part_109728_14127175.1227259223470 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline there is a widget called Maintidget that you can install to manually run th= e cleanup scripts any time you want, instead of leaving your computer on al= l night


dunno if it improves performance in Logic though...you&= #39;re better off getting the buffer settings right. i had lots of problems= running Logic 4.2 on my old G4 titanium with "disk too slow" mes= sages and it's the buffer settings and disk cache stuff that sorts it o= ut

sim

On Thu, Nov 20, 2= 008 at 11:24 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
thanks for all the hints. When I moved from PC to Mac, I thought I would be= done with all the tweaking under the hood.

No wonder some people still prefer hardware vs. software.
I should go back to my good ol' Tascam 788 multitracker... *sigh*

thanks again
Buzap
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 09:44:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B90813BE84; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:44:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081121094402419.6656A7000083@mwinf2b14.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--154661313 Message-Id: <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> From: o.malhomme@laposte.net Subject: OT : Slow HD... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:44:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <_-27jB.A.rMB.jLoJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:44:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-20--154661313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed "supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's true, but that's what i heard." Well you have to keep in mind several things 1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of audio and video files, you can have files too big for OSX to act 2) OSX defrag doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used to do. Basically free space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it becomes harder, especially if you filled your drive. That is partly why, among other reasons, it is often advised to not too fill your disk. With proper disk management, it wouldn't be necessary. This is why I would advise anyway still to use an utilitary soft to perform this. One may not agree with me though. Olivier --Apple-Mail-20--154661313 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida Grande"supposedly, Lucida Grandedefragging Lucida Grandea Lucida Grandemac Lucida Grandedisk Lucida Grandeis Lucida Grandeunnecessary. Lucida Grandenot Lucida Grandesure Lucida Grandeif Lucida Grandethat's Lucida Grandetrue, Lucida Grandebut Lucida Grandethat's Lucida Grandewhat Lucida Grandei Lucida Grandeheard." Well you have to keep in mind several things 1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of audio and video files, you can have files too big for OSX to act 2) OSX defrag doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used to do. Basically free space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it becomes harder, especially if you filled your drive. That is partly why, among other reasons, it is often advised to not too fill your disk. With proper disk management, it wouldn't be necessary. This is why I would advise anyway still to use an utilitary soft to perform this. One may not agree with me though. Olivier --Apple-Mail-20--154661313-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 10:51:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AB773BE81; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=wdpwkGbi4HYO4giswLvCHMBfttDJLV7Z+1AulGCGeDo=; b=tSRB013QC7lxhs/ZIyjZpIgbj8K7e8oem9BThXZFxPYfTy4LSoZElq/4XnCJJX0sEx 40KHiTFsL+ompPDtiNv0nm3rAsIzWjARUHE0TxmkomWDooNYoYqZA6w/CqSvYtW3Gmrh Q6X5BNEvRXSFu8Y9oLBipwetlLv2uQb4DWAb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=S1kzzFQbD590qsF7znAaFXHKSl9J+4vRUDQQWr3fsCblTrunYpc56AbvZIIpyYwy9D iDXsCnxl+1LofKI8qwLIVHjrtdz5EKJxRxHY5kWIAjIEb91AngEHeOKfcikxqKL9t4SN LTmCKIL2pi4B3Usn4osK/uc9Edm5pENk6TwB0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:51:10 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... In-Reply-To: <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:51:10 +0000 (UTC) That "Disk too slow" error message in Logic usually doesn't mean a disk IS too slow or even fragmented (see my other post for hints on how to get rid of the annoying error mess). But as Olivier says you can fragment a drive by recording long files. You can fix that with a utility disk tool applications, but personally I think takes too long time. My way is to keep two big external FireWire drives where I record big files and keep my project folders. Now and then I format one of them, just wiping everything and making the disk as newborn, and then I copy all of the other drive's content to it. This is a very quick process that fits better into a working day situation. Can be done on the side as well by simply popping the FW drives into another Mac. Per On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:44 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net wrote: > "supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's true, > but that's what i heard." > > > Well you have to keep in mind several things > > 1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of audio and video files, you can > have files too big for OSX to act > 2) OSX defrag doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used to do. > Basically free space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it becomes > harder, especially if you filled your drive. > That is partly why, among other reasons, it is often advised to not too fill > your disk. With proper disk management, it wouldn't be necessary. > > This is why I would advise anyway still to use an utilitary soft to perform > this. > > One may not agree with me though. > > Olivier From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 12:28:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0E63BE80; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> Subject: Re: Slow HD... Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:32 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 053F3340000974053F348D Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94BD4.AA80FDA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94BD4.AA80FDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In 1986 I was doing support-development at a software company and was = asked to work with some folks on software destined for the Mac, = evaluating products proposed to the firm for further/ultimate = development etc (in this case the ill-fated dBASE Mac was chosen over a = more robust and functional dBASE environment). For a few months we had = to assimilate characteristics of the hardware-software-firmware running = on the "little toaster", in order to anticipate possible development = problems etc. The fellow writing the memory/disk allocation routines was having the = worst time of all, despite having come from a 64000 environment. One = night I dropped by to drag him out to eat dinner, and he said he'd = figured out why the memory-disk pre-allocation was such a problem on the = Mac. He cleared off one of his desk areas and grabbed a bunch of 720k = 1.44" diskettes, and said, "This is how the Mac manages free memory and = disk space...", beginning a monologue on the part of the machine, "Hm, = prefetch... HERE", tossing a disk on the tabletop, "and here", another = disk, tossed someplace randomly, "and here's the database loaded," = another disk randomly tossed... and so on, until around 10 diskettes = laid on the table, none overlapping, but with lots of free tabletop = (free ram) between each. And we thought that having a whopping 5MB hard = drive would help! It would appear that not much has changed in this regard on the Mac. Or = has it? From: o.malhomme@laposte.net=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:44 AM Subject: OT : Slow HD... "supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's = true, but that's what i heard." Well you have to keep in mind several things 1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of audio and video files, you = can have files too big for OSX to act 2) OSX defrag doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used to = do. Basically free space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it = becomes harder, especially if you filled your drive. That is partly why, among other reasons, it is often advised to not = too fill your disk. With proper disk management, it wouldn't be = necessary. This is why I would advise anyway still to use an utilitary soft to = perform this. One may not agree with me though. Olivier ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94BD4.AA80FDA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In 1986 I was doing support-development at a = software company=20 and was asked to work with some folks on software destined for the Mac,=20 evaluating products proposed to the firm for further/ultimate = development etc=20 (in this case the ill-fated dBASE Mac was chosen over a more robust and=20 functional dBASE environment).  For a few months we had to = assimilate=20 characteristics of the hardware-software-firmware running on the "little = toaster", in order to anticipate possible development problems = etc.
 
The fellow writing the memory/disk allocation = routines was=20 having the worst time of all, despite having come from a 64000=20 environment.  One night I dropped by to drag him out to eat dinner, = and he=20 said he'd figured out why the memory-disk pre-allocation was such a = problem on=20 the Mac.  He cleared off one of his desk areas and grabbed a bunch = of 720k=20 1.44" diskettes, and said, "This is how the Mac manages free memory and = disk=20 space...", beginning a monologue on the part of the machine, "Hm, = prefetch...=20 HERE", tossing a disk on the tabletop, "and here", another disk, tossed=20 someplace randomly, "and here's the database loaded," another disk = randomly=20 tossed... and so on, until around 10 diskettes laid on the table, none=20 overlapping, but with lots of free tabletop (free ram) between = each.  And=20 we thought that having a whopping 5MB hard drive would = help!
 
It would appear that not much has changed in this = regard on=20 the Mac.  Or has it?
From:=20 o.malhomme@laposte.net =
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 = 9:44=20 AM
Subject: OT : Slow HD...

"supposedly,=20 defragging = a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if that's true, but that's what i heard."


Well you have to keep in=20 mind several things

1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of = audio=20 and video files, you can have files too big for OSX to act
2) OSX = defrag=20 doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used to do. Basically = free=20 space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it becomes harder, = especially if=20 you filled your drive.
That is partly why, among other reasons, it = is often=20 advised to not too fill your disk. With proper disk management, it = wouldn't be=20 necessary.

This is why I would advise anyway still to use an = utilitary=20 soft to perform this.

One may not agree with me = though.

Olivier ------=_NextPart_000_00C5_01C94BD4.AA80FDA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 13:01:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3953BE7B; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227272466; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=M9+1oOn8VekjE0r5ml6KYOGRucE=; b=EbRXK7csIixcoLaBpN9RoqOMe6AQjZ69iMq8Niy9FJenO5wExurVLteWWsMUW5Xe aXkRJ2SSun7xD/IPNELuKyWQKzAwpY6Oza3gzzQLE7ni7+EbmuQjYHF52apvHoXR; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=X8lw9rmGAAAA:8 a=OLXdZ5SCB1a5kg40EVsA:9 a=ge8QnT3uhULXgu8oieJLleh8vuEA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 a=V6XqOXK-46usAJF6algA:9 a=kN1NIZAvxcJZvY_X8Z8A:7 a=dRBJALHxIr5Gdp24mLj3ceUbC2kA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001401c94bd9$2c56c400$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: parallel Loopers Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:00:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C94BAF.42ED55A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85704 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:01:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C94BAF.42ED55A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am thinking about ways to run my DD 20 and my EHX 2880 in parallel or = be able to switch to series quickly while playing. I thought about the = aux in on my 2880 but I wouldn't have the option of series. Some type of footswitch? Oh and I would like to do it in stereo. Any = ideas? Please no software solutions. I'm sure it would be easy for you guys! = lol Jeff Out here in the Great Beyond, everything is strange. The sooner you get used to that, the better off you'll be. Allen Steele=20 Galaxy Blues http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918 http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/ ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C94BAF.42ED55A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am thinking about ways to run my DD = 20 and my EHX=20 2880 in parallel or be able to switch to series quickly while playing. I = thought=20 about the aux in on my 2880 but I wouldn't have the option of=20 series.
Some type of footswitch? Oh and I would = like to do=20 it in stereo. Any ideas?
 
Please no software solutions. I'm sure = it would be=20 easy for you guys! lol
 
Jeff
 
 
Out here in the Great Beyond, = everything is=20 strange.
The sooner you get used to that, the better off you'll = be.
Allen=20 Steele
Galaxy Blues
 
 
http://www.myspace.com/= loopsinphasespace
http://www.youtube.com/use= r/sticky899
http://www.vimeo.com:80/2141918<= /A>
http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html
http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C94BAF.42ED55A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 13:14:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78DF93BE82; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KlrwZ+oyAN6KFEA4IDv0XKr5bJG+Pjf2mAVR8lG9rAc=; b=XteaRU5vrYD24WYCjG7z8cVN4lU3O/zfnVsvBvL15jiQvHklbp2RyzugEQxX1G+Eyl 6jA7RYhOrycrax81hJmfmmjUOeMx22yAbB4f3qLYCSvcB94bW2EFrnGcEDV/gEmzoxZ7 tZEXRDGvzwnJJ59vWZdueYnPGeL7eqktLnqQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=EEmmiU+vN+c4nPYzZPXqykHxugaE2HDCFZi5ky9f9R/vqM3SYMu14XKT/NQS+UKIyD Bn3YvxW+ST4Bv2sknJOGvPt0wfDpgJP1DEzMxJpoAmHar3QX+irESFl37g0K6E3OzjdB TcU9F+2ytP+8vWYE1C9hf9gfdpr7MzE4RCvIs= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811210510s4ee1a688md6222393935a7e1b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:10:12 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: parallel Loopers In-Reply-To: <001401c94bd9$2c56c400$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001401c94bd9$2c56c400$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:14:08 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > I am thinking about ways to run my DD 20 and my EHX 2880 in parallel or be > able to switch to series quickly while playing. I thought about the aux in > on my 2880 but I wouldn't have the option of series. > Some type of footswitch? Oh and I would like to do it in stereo. Any ideas? > > Please no software solutions. I'm sure it would be easy for you guys! lol > > Jeff I looked into that back in 2003 and remember there are actually some MIDI controlled "rack mixers" on the market (second hand market I'd guess). Rocktron manufactured one that seemed to be good. You would have to use a MIDI pedal though to call up your patch routings. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:23:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE78B3BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=kyH4wKFWldhyudlKgtmdQQ9vX3/MkJj/sFCGDpCXJsg=; b=nPLLb4vSwXTlS6XP0d3qgkDXQAgtZI8ONQ4sMG2aHUBb29yggFvB/4jcYzkL4TbrDz HlyJCmpDZ2A4GPxfFJULM3bYvO/O7lvGyXa5JMf4HqGOJehRiCVlwLk7OVBpddjEDgpw TjdQ2QaUSH02FsNWNJdBoQCj3KScrzXroPAJ4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=I+A8Fq1trqdPsUKYUgyOdYJaa9EiPH5a5T+6qT7cvX57bZkzLjCq1/1x5TVrHQePfl 2J1vSKYjIRRcziqI3IVwFp17sFuEs7UTiX8AhW0VQYiaPa0l2hzm6Pn5nqrFye3KLK5c +yUs+PALyjyoekrwHeDxPonNiA9Ls0FqdVaaQ= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:23:45 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:23:47 +0000 (UTC) I have some questions for any rc-50 users out there. 1)I was planning on monitoring with headphones on the sub output so I could send the guide and main to the sub out and only I could hear the guide track on my headphones. I got a y adpator cable so I could plug my headphones into the left and right of the sub out but its much quieter then the phones out. I have to turn the guide to full volume to be able to hear while I'm playing and then that drains out my loops. Any ideas? Maybe I should get a small headphone amp to boost the level out of the sub out? I know the guide is pretty cheesy but I need some way to keep my phrases all sync'ed up and loop sync doesn't seem to make clean loops. (maybe its just my lack of technique though, I'll keep experimenting) It seems like turning off tempo sync, loop sync, and loop quantize makes the cleanest loops but if you are in multi mode then each of your loops will drift off from each other over time. I'd love to hear how you other rc-50 owners work it out your phrase timing and tempos. 2) I notice when I turn the volume knob for Instrument input I get crackle and noise but it stops once I stop turning it. Any one else have a problem with this and I can it be fixed easily with some cleaner? 3) Does anybody have a problem with the rc-50 always doubling your tempo. I set the tap tempo to quarter note = 52 but once I finish my loop it changes the tempo to 104. Maybe it because I'm looping two measures to start? -Todd Matthews From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:28:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E8AA3BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=kjn2kdG9S3rx49Y0yXSw5/wwgNJZ7zLqOA4sgrrAVJQ=; b=Q2Cj6HjvfqHx7s4OWt/XjuJhO2oa03YxUO8UhYGyLdNYAxy41zDhCnm/C5Ta7AePcd gWijNkGirsLKlxH/B0gCHEhKSjovwCGGxcAYFTlXUENJsusW6XHd+zLF8CVLUUQK3uZe q0d5Ljet6mL33gTuMKJKaVDQWeCPFRJpLPASo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=esiGITDSCZu97/dEpHpWary3j6r+8AQNFgigLkInfVt9Ko9+WnPUizCPYv+z1MF42c 3INvqPrYVm3HRINowR+TRbP68BD174/DGckvh+O/LMBkI/AOL++Oa1JwHVJxNq4b9e2c DuNxjxQmOa4CKUxA5C+jkxA3AjzRVHiduapKc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:09 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111735_30634300.1227277690083" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <0C99C11F-E6AB-4AF4-8329-B881832CA0D5@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:28:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_111735_30634300.1227277690083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as well. larger numbers for better performance On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > there is a widget called Maintidget that you can install to manually run > the cleanup scripts any time you want, instead of leaving your computer o= n > all night > http://www.giantmike.com/widgets/Maintidget.html > > dunno if it improves performance in Logic though...you're better off > getting the buffer settings right. i had lots of problems running Logic 4= .2 > on my old G4 titanium with "disk too slow" messages and it's the buffer > settings and disk cache stuff that sorts it out > > sim > > > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> thanks for all the hints. When I moved from PC to Mac, I thought I would >> be done with all the tweaking under the hood. >> >> No wonder some people still prefer hardware vs. software. >> I should go back to my good ol' Tascam 788 multitracker... *sigh* >> >> thanks again >> Buzap >> -- >> Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL >> f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K11308T45= 69a >> >> > ------=_Part_111735_30634300.1227277690083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as = well. larger numbers for better performance

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com= > wrote:
there is a widget called Maintidget that yo= u can install to manually run the cleanup scripts any time you want, instea= d of leaving your computer on all night

http://www.giantmike.com/widgets/Maintidget.html

dunno if it improves performance in Logic though...you&= #39;re better off getting the buffer settings right. i had lots of problems= running Logic 4.2 on my old G4 titanium with "disk too slow" mes= sages and it's the buffer settings and disk cache stuff that sorts it o= ut

sim


On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.= net> wrote:
thanks for all the hints. When I moved from PC to Mac, I thought I would be= done with all the tweaking under the hood.

No wonder some people still prefer hardware vs. software.
I should go back to my good ol' Tascam 788 multitracker... *sigh*

thanks again
Buzap
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------=_Part_111735_30634300.1227277690083-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:40:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF34F3BE7E; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:40:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:40:22 -0500 References: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:40:25 +0000 (UTC) answers... 1) use the sub out as your "main" out and vice versa. You will be much happier when using headphones because the headphones only monitor what's coming out of Main. This will save you having to use an external headphone amp. 1.5) If you want to use multi mode AND have them all be grooving together you really need to, at least, use loop sync. 2) get some TV tuner lube and spray your inst input pot. It shouldn't be making noise like that. 3) not sure why it would be doubling your tempo. You say you are "setting" your tap tempo to 52. Does that mean you tap it in with your foot or you turn the tempo knob? I guess if you use the tempo knob to set the tempo and them tap twice as fast it would do that. also, the support docs are VERY good.... http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?dsection=d_support&ObjectId=772 Teddy -- PS. -- http://teddyjam.com new live recordings -- http://myspace.com/teddykjam friend me also, there is an RC-50 forum on yahoo groups On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > I have some questions for any rc-50 users out there. > > 1)I was planning on monitoring with headphones on the sub output so I > could send the guide and main to the sub out and only I could hear the > guide track on my headphones. I got a y adpator cable so I could plug > my headphones into the left and right of the sub out but its much > quieter then the phones out. I have to turn the guide to full volume > to be able to hear while I'm playing and then that drains out my > loops. Any ideas? Maybe I should get a small headphone amp to boost > the level out of the sub out? I know the guide is pretty cheesy but I > need some way to keep my phrases all sync'ed up and loop sync doesn't > seem to make clean loops. (maybe its just my lack of technique though, > I'll keep experimenting) > > It seems like turning off tempo sync, loop sync, and loop quantize > makes the cleanest loops but if you are in multi mode then each of > your loops will drift off from each other over time. I'd love to hear > how you other rc-50 owners work it out your phrase timing and tempos. > > 2) I notice when I turn the volume knob for Instrument input I get > crackle and noise but it stops once I stop turning it. Any one else > have a problem with this and I can it be fixed easily with some > cleaner? > > 3) Does anybody have a problem with the rc-50 always doubling your > tempo. I set the tap tempo to quarter note = 52 but once I finish my > loop it changes the tempo to 104. Maybe it because I'm looping two > measures to start? > > > -Todd Matthews > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:41:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251723BE89; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=lyrOvvl3YoXVigIrsQINbdQS5krbZSSAb+WMRb9lLG4=; b=KMssZ7n+77bnDiIvJ3pOs3xAfaLJ4/fq8AWBfQ13qkekDWa/+YeRkySIfdmLitfBuz sJv9KUApWjK67sxhUowrFPqibMjgqHM/Q28QPBa9eEDXCCobiP6Rp4biDYnuBJFFBnxt BJp3vt0sDWfxYZSgq8PUktYe6eUv+HF3dKhlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=K5jg0h0FUBKG96pisEI63RLwZQtA2bydrLIfz3wBhaofjik+kJeX7ehWrn2smoxaFq Zhn3bA9gzHM+UevC3d/D6hKLJKgepiDSffGC2vSYJQqw0E4ziUdkMQi0t+XmQEKJvl27 W3FAMUlQrQ0uFKw6Aute9VXa08XHOKTCuuj5U= Message-ID: <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:41:11 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132098_12994953.1227278471277" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811190559k2132ac1ek6ee489387331c075@mail.gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: cf4b799ad7596444 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:41:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_132098_12994953.1227278471277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as > well. larger numbers for better performance > > > and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for monitoring ------=_Part_132098_12994953.1227278471277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as well. larger numbers for better performance



and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for monitoring
------=_Part_132098_12994953.1227278471277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:48:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F4EC3BE86; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 606 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:48:58 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <74a8421fc3f515c27eff876ea784304a.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.c om> References: <74a8421fc3f515c27eff876ea784304a.squirrel@webmail.helpwantedproductions.c om> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:38:40 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, analogue@hyperreal.org From: Duke Sexton Subject: Re: FS: Effects, synths, theremin, Vintage and otherwise Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:48:58 +0000 (UTC) At 8:43 AM -0800 11/19/08, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > >Roland EF-303 - $225. Very cool discontinued slider/sequencer based >effects box. also spits out midi from sliders so you can use it as an >analog sequencer. Filled with stuf for DJs too including BPM, RCAs, etc. >Has drum samples and drum mode as well as bit crushing, flange, >distortion, etc etc etc all fully LIVE and tweakable. Hey David, This is Mech from Loopers-Delight. I think I might be interested in the EF-303 you just mentioned over on the LD list. I've just relocated to Japan earlier this year. If you could be so kind, would you mind checking what the postage would be to zip code 770-8041 (Tokushima, Japan)? Doesn't need to get here tomorrow. Just need to make sure it's got some sort of tracking and some basic insurance. I've actually had pretty good luck with the post office (well, after it gets past the US border; of course, you probably already know the score for using them inside the US). Also, do you take PayPal? Thanks buddy! -- Duke. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:50:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42C6E3BE81; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=kcG7tBGsVZ/jw9ctvwiCNhdCv5LivUYeAl554r+XDqI=; b=cXggSwIOpYC/UptLpMjxj7cW2kuC+hYXF0jhrHGFspFP8VfmCatCXXz+DqVRjomxWN ZcgF4coIvMFcdztKkxTv8rAyPTcn8nOCMKP75wNJmcHKPOo8lAIU3heMGaYdYyWWBZGv nZ+m9yX/Wb05kLT/vsiCGLWaQcsuIWZS4+tIg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fdBYc2dLI8aFRmCMzUmnvniY68ZnkjbiQxuVIoDlFGB1webvtA4siX3NRTThLN60V3 Hzzs0InOLiUosa2+iJiWvGlPK/JHz0LgLPxIs4pEJMpDMi0cMaHbQFEXvn9vPuqq6EQO 4yRKCX5bnbblKaV47QFM1WefJsCwDiuQ5rHJk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:32 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111978_25673351.1227279032686" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <20081119150708.53470@gmx.net> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:50:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_111978_25673351.1227279032686 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of the input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording) sim On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris < > simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as >> well. larger numbers for better performance >> >> >> > and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for > monitoring > ------=_Part_111978_25673351.1227279032686 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of the input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording)

sim 

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as well. larger numbers for better performance



and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for monitoring

------=_Part_111978_25673351.1227279032686-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 14:51:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2783BE89; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:51:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20081120232739.28130@gmx.net> References: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081120232739.28130@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:50:59 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:51:10 +0000 (UTC) At 12:27 AM +0100 11/21/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Oh, it'll do those "telephone type" effects. There's a distortion >> block that'll allow you to re-EQ for all kinds of effects like that, >> IIRC. > >did you really get any decent "telephone effect"? Well, for the short time I was kicking it around, sounded pretty good to me. But I was using it purely in a studio context and not live. >I always ended up with so much feedback - I gave it up. Ah, now that's a slightly different issue. I'm pretty sure that it's sorta linked to the nature of the effect. Back 20 years ago when I was mixing live sound for a friend's band, the same thing almost drove me insane. They had a song where they wanted the same effect (I was using a standard graphic eq for this at the time). Every time I kicked it in, it was a complete crapshoot whether I would wind up with howling feedback or not. Seems most of the mid-band frequencies you accentuate for the effect are also in the sweet spot for the room resonance of most venues. Finally figured that, for a live effect, the most stable thing to do is to turn it into a telephone effect before it ever gets to the microphone. Easiest way to do this is to buy a cheap used megaphone (the crappier the better), turn it down to a manageable level, and have the vocalist sing through it about a foot off the microphone. Not only did that work for us, I actually saw the singer for The Fall (amongst others) use that same technique a few years later. >Good point you made: it's not only for vocals. Whenever you need >decent reverbs in you chain. >Too bad it's only MonoIn>mono/stereoOut Thanks! Only upside of the Mono In thing is that *most* of us would only be mic-ing a single amp -- at least for a single effect. If you're running a stereo pair, odds are that you want individual control over each amp, so you'd have two Creates in your chain anyway. :) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:13:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C060B3BE84; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9zptgPkpWsfZXGMf9Yjehnc7/v2Qhv27u9xFwFg1+80=; b=khhNdPuDPlXenb/e/Dyd7sABQYHn97V8EH5dREn8hjSjp1iHRLJZafvKkIhAWRGXH6 a8C/WR4eiBe5bYxE4qwNK0arViJKlSPxoXTVmqPPmgUa5SmJnK04cG7Am6rnh8tzAL1M EENpqDGFZ8T7VUg960Dko/UzcgLQGzHP6JEX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=HSfRnGyZkV2v+307nWMKNNHMokuUenQf+v2+yMCWH3INM4H2Tng1Y49EJyOt7b/74o U+FaneuR21QoRsMkGW4AZS+jEsEdNSNX+TqjHXXNRwAkU/TbIiKK5I14ojtBZoHrQNkw IvLO3hNPPNBZwOJQzfleuI7xBCyL5ubBZALAA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811210706w169ecf7bn9c0826ac5ea4ca7d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:06:23 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1GmS0D.A.6ZH.qAtJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:13:46 +0000 (UTC) He must be talking about monitoring through the software. If I record someone that wants "a bit reverb on the mic input" I do software monitoring for an effect send loop with a software reverb plug-in. But I never do it for the direct signal, because of the latency problem. Regarding reverb it is not a monitoring problem since reverb has no timing and thus doesn't sound bad when under latency. Per On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of the > input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you > mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording) > sim > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota > wrote: >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris >> wrote: >>> >>> oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference >>> as well. larger numbers for better performance >>> >> >> and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for >> monitoring > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:16:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85C493BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=J5V4USKvYOu6oans1zNxiEYeGoLcQFLfS1BPKPppcOM=; b=wGq6JUo7ilbeG5RMGZm9vKw5ZfKzTWoBXGbJZjN0ZB8gzcj6d4ojw+bBCCHVQwzZM4 /xbymej7D9cM44MWXVWhE9xMOVROJFhu0W0f4GlmPgmgAjs8HbK+rtTizGHsxNEv+r/p 5g/I01iodntidt48TJPk+ROpYzbdD+Wi706Pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=nF6fjf/Wv3M5Mw8P32pJXYOin7+DXNvd6OErLHy0s0saR7YhsxCUCwRNdIhIWLO8kk T8us4vW81sCx0KhR1ZK9reGoGOmUPm1ngszq/fgXmqFddK0QHhAkX1Iyd1P3FEEu5dSs YAHklfR69m6lzDk7UttTH/c0U8PpfUOHQcb+U= Message-ID: <101191640811210716qc689b6dya52905f916142ad1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:16:35 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132588_30469330.1227280595478" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 52d5682262b09690 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:16:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_132588_30469330.1227280595478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline my interface doesn't have direct monitoring, so i have to rely on the monitor mix created by my recording software, which is at least a buffer round-trip's worth of latency. and it's actually necessary for me, and probably most live loopers, to monitor the actual "mix" - there's usually no distinction like there is in a recording studio when you're, say, recording a (more traditional) band live. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of > the input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you > mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording) > sim > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris < >> simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference >>> as well. larger numbers for better performance >>> >>> >>> >> and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for >> monitoring >> > > ------=_Part_132588_30469330.1227280595478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline my interface doesn't have direct monitoring, so i have to rely on the monitor mix created by my recording software, which is at least a buffer round-trip's worth of latency. and it's actually necessary for me, and probably most live loopers, to monitor the actual "mix" - there's usually no distinction like there is in a recording studio when you're, say, recording a (more traditional) band live.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of the input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording)

sim 


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference as well. larger numbers for better performance



and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for monitoring


------=_Part_132588_30469330.1227280595478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:18:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E3173BE80; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=7WFaIjAvoD+8oK6/Q/pJ+rFnl6SoKCCFEXuXgljQrHg=; b=pxNXU0uAraFvvjyFwwLxt1HsFuyKP+Qma8F4a3xIMK88mYviL2BvV8C/S0FqprTEpG DAkmMb849o9qlVTkZ0XxE9yx2y66mr9oX5dR0j5JusXWvkdzj+8tsSV0iMcIvooZSIeN vAOG5aGJfHrumH4BEBKKCdZLTzrxi36kD+RkY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=lkRBcK/C5dJ8qpCh3IVnaVBy/Inc5gzANlFJhEke9vGjbiAFb2AIcXWSjMa1LxDXVP Cv4+wdkrkbDIAT7V2wPZJbezLZfEmYk2v82zAyFBUhhcNbJH9xNnatfJzRNG64Om33aP HwLQY22NBpXPZ7QFqyE5IdnnLtzqYdIuW54aY= Message-ID: <101191640811210718q701d3bbdre33461baa296e01d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:18:24 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811210706w169ecf7bn9c0826ac5ea4ca7d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_132606_21624403.1227280704800" References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811210706w169ecf7bn9c0826ac5ea4ca7d@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3264cc63b0707dd6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:18:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_132606_21624403.1227280704800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I guess after playing guitar synths, my tolerance for latency is fairly high. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > He must be talking about monitoring through the software. If I record > someone that wants "a bit reverb on the mic input" I do software > monitoring for an effect send loop with a software reverb plug-in. But > I never do it for the direct signal, because of the latency problem. > Regarding reverb it is not a monitoring problem since reverb has no > timing and thus doesn't sound bad when under latency. > > Per > > > ------=_Part_132606_21624403.1227280704800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I guess after playing guitar synths, my tolerance for latency is fairly high.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
He must be talking about monitoring through the software. If I record
someone that wants "a bit reverb on the mic input" I do software
monitoring for an effect send loop with a software reverb plug-in. But
I never do it for the direct signal, because of the latency problem.
Regarding reverb it is not a monitoring problem since reverb has no
timing and thus doesn't sound bad when under latency.

Per



------=_Part_132606_21624403.1227280704800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:25:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFA203BE88; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=fpJ6uDVr910hWiis0iVYFtcniAPq5DZKSoc12AkBWQY=; b=OKwcKNijn+o9QMu5ttUVtCyTGmRY+RZb/RuEYMxpxhmFfkJTcDUhlGSRX3L58vu81O amS8sp93V8KTE3PPG3Z+91qvgWF3T3Tcs1PVKEfGsfJ6h2aq/9Z6OB42iv8ynCsusnby 3RivKlNFU+m2bcLNXlmEkwje9lRnBVDczLwp0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=TPofG33otoF2Mf0m1uZRQyDkz+jl8AHzXnwR41LoCMaDqpCSL+xnI0j1/HUPFMUCyK SPG6rFnVbuYtqxi1iFrXpFcARuHaLDOIG3cHxCrpLbhbftqgaCVzhP4Um5713g9vKfqE jnBJ8i9Yv8v/y1VTo7cGC84s1qcuTdVCRkoH4= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811210725s24f327eft46f1b31fe312e209@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:25:52 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume In-Reply-To: <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Teddy for the answers! That's perfect to switch the uses of the sub and main out! Can you get tv tuner lube from any electronics store? For the third one I don't tap the tempo with the pedal at all I just set the patch tempo at 52. Then when I finish my first loop the tempo automatically bumps up to 104. My first loop is two measures (8 quarter notes) and I have the time signature for the patch set to 4/4. I have been going through the support docs but only one time through so far. I'm sure it will stick much better the next go round:) Todd Matthews On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:40 AM, Teddy Kumpel wrote: > answers... > > 1) use the sub out as your "main" out and vice versa. You will be much > happier when using headphones because the headphones only monitor what's > coming out of Main. This will save you having to use an external headphone > amp. > > 1.5) If you want to use multi mode AND have them all be grooving together > you really need to, at least, use loop sync. > > 2) get some TV tuner lube and spray your inst input pot. It shouldn't be > making noise like that. > > 3) not sure why it would be doubling your tempo. You say you are "setting" > your tap tempo to 52. Does that mean you tap it in with your foot or you > turn the tempo knob? I guess if you use the tempo knob to set the tempo and > them tap twice as fast it would do that. > > also, the support docs are VERY good.... > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?dsection=d_support&ObjectId=772 > > Teddy > -- > PS. > -- > http://teddyjam.com > new live recordings > -- > http://myspace.com/teddykjam > friend me > > also, there is an RC-50 forum on yahoo groups > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 9:23 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > >> I have some questions for any rc-50 users out there. >> >> 1)I was planning on monitoring with headphones on the sub output so I >> could send the guide and main to the sub out and only I could hear the >> guide track on my headphones. I got a y adpator cable so I could plug >> my headphones into the left and right of the sub out but its much >> quieter then the phones out. I have to turn the guide to full volume >> to be able to hear while I'm playing and then that drains out my >> loops. Any ideas? Maybe I should get a small headphone amp to boost >> the level out of the sub out? I know the guide is pretty cheesy but I >> need some way to keep my phrases all sync'ed up and loop sync doesn't >> seem to make clean loops. (maybe its just my lack of technique though, >> I'll keep experimenting) >> >> It seems like turning off tempo sync, loop sync, and loop quantize >> makes the cleanest loops but if you are in multi mode then each of >> your loops will drift off from each other over time. I'd love to hear >> how you other rc-50 owners work it out your phrase timing and tempos. >> >> 2) I notice when I turn the volume knob for Instrument input I get >> crackle and noise but it stops once I stop turning it. Any one else >> have a problem with this and I can it be fixed easily with some >> cleaner? >> >> 3) Does anybody have a problem with the rc-50 always doubling your >> tempo. I set the tap tempo to quarter note = 52 but once I finish my >> loop it changes the tempo to 104. Maybe it because I'm looping two >> measures to start? >> >> >> -Todd Matthews >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:40:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C0C83BE87; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:40:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lUDRafPsCzT8DtozfSsVTR1GPbUZg+v2I1cx2N25H0g=; b=e0I42Wz3vJ7LOGPcelwh+VqNNZAJ6gaLJm87t/XO5oqZmP/Lu4/epgH48nhigrcxtj I86Q0c0jmSzwZ0D7n8G5mcmN1eca27v/arx5tEsek2DK/5FX0gw4IMYj/OotvRIPNiru UJyginH/OJpA25tfz4f4O10hcilc9o0YnTOpQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rtGue7e/54bNZxd3HOynFNVYGPDxtHV3jpLMBnlhovpX8S8pUlpGqGtu13RUYW6vm8 5bU8/PUqTWazpBlwBjOXca2SfZC7LwIoKZ2CSQVvKdvKom4Q2Gs5/1/9n8xczzD8lZmP 1JuvTLy7DCt6TzJBNrPKRkt+DrSLKbhZHi77s= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 07:40:06 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80642_359080.1227282006118" References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:40:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_80642_359080.1227282006118 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during an OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > That "Disk too slow" error message in Logic usually doesn't mean a > disk IS too slow or even fragmented (see my other post for hints on > how to get rid of the annoying error mess). But as Olivier says you > can fragment a drive by recording long files. ------=_Part_80642_359080.1227282006118 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during an OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
That "Disk too slow" error message in Logic usually doesn't mean a
disk IS too slow or even fragmented (see my other post for hints on
how to get rid of the annoying error mess). But as Olivier says you
can fragment a drive by recording long files.

------=_Part_80642_359080.1227282006118-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:40:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2BC93BE8B; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zjNWwa5AejkU7TpVnkr1TPLC4P9eYhGgHnrDRSMzLpg=; b=a9sFhbpAAxf8UhWGgiMxQv9JCtFBd/gMYCn+3EbuXSI6oKqhC5EHGG1na+qz0AOCCk em8+bbw1Qjkm5blJ1Eqd2+evbTkEIDWetLi8ySTDSqTbwZb67siv60Yz8mrmBoErjEiW lHSYqXdRcqlRrcTQmDd3iiTgmTRj4ROelmrcw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=N/F/tBf6vafW+uEqUVfwsnPntjcukv2R2ec43ieJAt7+KUScfhPoARDYdFpjrtPY0a a7n/ukqDKdSjr0NR5l/f2ZkHAeN7HVHXXZxQo94X6dg+f8/2891Vf8CKHmT2tE5M4++i 5qeP5Z70K9WSc+JJHIYJQPdedba5+tnipy6Og= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811210740m1e4bb563hfed44b1e170d2ee9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:40:19 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgrading my MacBook) In-Reply-To: <101191640811210716qc689b6dya52905f916142ad1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <645A0808-4386-42C1-A58B-8AB358733935@gmail.com> <101191640811201045y31df68e3odab6d98e53cdc0ba@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811201145m76491832pedf3f902879a50e1@mail.gmail.com> <20081120232421.28100@gmx.net> <101191640811210641w451f2e9en474dd6886718942b@mail.gmail.com> <101191640811210716qc689b6dya52905f916142ad1@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Hi Warren, Yep. I too monitor the software treated sound when doing live looping concerts. That's the point in replacing stomp boxes with at laptop. There's a delicate challenge, when programming sound patches, to get the balance right between the three poles: the direct input, the latency affected output and beat synced effects. I wouldn't say my tolerance for latency is fairly high, but having lived through years of playing electric guitar live on stage I have developed ways to adapt to latency. But I don't like it. I get a better feel playing electric guitar on rigs with small speakers because they are faster. And I like the flute because the sound source is close to my ears (once gave up the Bari sax partially for that reason). I guess my optimal instrument would be a digital brain wave converter! ;-) Per On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Warren Sirota wrote: > my interface doesn't have direct monitoring, so i have to rely on the > monitor mix created by my recording software, which is at least a buffer > round-trip's worth of latency. and it's actually necessary for me, and > probably most live loopers, to monitor the actual "mix" - there's usually no > distinction like there is in a recording studio when you're, say, recording > a (more traditional) band live. > I guess after playing guitar synths, my tolerance for latency is fairly high. > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Simeon Harris > wrote: >> >> yes, but if you have an audio interface that allows direct monitoring of >> the input signal, it's not a problem (although i'm not exactly sure what you >> mean by "monitoring" as something separate from recording) >> sim >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Warren Sirota >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Simeon Harris >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> oh, and the buffer size for the audio interface makes a huge difference >>>> as well. larger numbers for better performance >>>> >>> >>> and greater latency, which is no problem for recording, but might be for >>> monitoring >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 15:41:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31A903BE8A; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:40:56 EST Subject: Re: Instant Composition To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c3d.480b5868.36583088_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:41:09 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c3d.480b5868.36583088_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/20/08 7:05:02 PM, biffoz@gmail.com writes: > The cure for me has been to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which > has been quite liberating. > ola miko.....i must share this.....last nite.....the weather sez snow is acomin'......the sun is almost set.....i have put off ( i have become sooo slothful that i don't even persue my life of hedonism.....:)) raking all of the leaves in my garden before they become too funky to deal with.....so off i go, rake in hand, i-pod set to random play.....it's too cold, it's too dark, i'm too old, where are my children, yuck, wet slimy stuff full of spiders, snakes, scorpians all mannor of LOVECRAFTIAN monsters hidden under the darkening mass, i actually got to touch this primordial skank to get it "in the bag".....perhaps i will just do this little section, ok, i'll do half of the garden, i am so lazy, i suffer too much.....at one point, i actually, and i'm not kiddin', had the rake upside down, the tines were pointing into the air and needless to say, rakes don't work well that way, so after a WTF moment, cursing the universe i saw the error of the rake and went on, ahhhh this is a bit better you idiot, i say to myself.....at this point your tune with the lyrics "do you really want to know, well stand in line" came on.....some of my favorite guitar playing ever, in fact, one of my fave CT tunes.....well let me tell ya, this energized me to not only finish the entire garden but also, rather than let the bags-o-leaves lie till next weeks pickup, to boldly drag them up to the street, oh how i suffer, for today's pickup.....so being an audient (tm) of your music i was transported to a different "state" of "being".....i was moved to my very soul, thank you.....and guess what?.....it never snowed!.....:).....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. 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In a message dated 11/20/08 7:05:02 PM, biffoz@gmail.com writes:


The cure for me has b= een to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which has been quite liberat= ing.


ola miko.....i must share this.....last nite.....the weather sez snow is=20= acomin'......the sun is almost set.....i have put off ( i have become sooo s= lothful that i don't even persue my life of hedonism.....:)) raking all of t= he leaves in my garden before they become too funky to deal with.....so off=20= i go,  rake in hand, i-pod set to random play.....it's too cold, it's=20= too dark, i'm too old, where are my children, yuck, wet slimy stuff full of=20= spiders, snakes, scorpians all mannor of LOVECRAFTIAN monsters hidden under=20= the darkening mass,  i  actually got to touch this primordial sk= ank to get it "in the bag".....perhaps i will just do this little section, o= k, i'll do half of the garden, i am so lazy, i suffer too much.....at one po= int, i actually, and i'm not kiddin', had the rake upside down, the tines we= re pointing into the air and needless to say, rakes don't work well that way= , so after a WTF moment, cursing the universe i saw the error of the rake an= d went on, ahhhh this is a bit better you idiot, i say to myself.....at this= point your tune with the lyrics "do you really want to know, well stand in=20= line" came on.....some of my favorite guitar playing ever, in fact, one of m= y fave CT tunes.....well let me tell ya, this energized me to not only finis= h the entire garden but also, rather than let the bags-o-leaves lie till nex= t weeks pickup, to boldly drag them up to the street, oh how i suffer, for t= oday's pickup.....so being an audient (tm) of your music i was transported t= o a different "state" of "being".....i was moved to my very soul, thank you.= ....and guess what?.....it never snowed!.....:).....michael



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One site has it all. Your email acco= unts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com tod= ay!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp%26icid=3Daolcom40vanity%26ncid=3Demlcn= taolcom00000001) --part1_c3d.480b5868.36583088_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 16:15:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8533BE87; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IhlF2QUW6BhwxnGjLb4D8kqlJZFVYEG6vpoTOJ/Q2N8=; b=How76236M85N7jdCSXg090hznFTfptFAKifLiANcGK+wtlHT00waTTVOtGD/WH63P9 TlnCuAGaHH9Wc9NSnN21NH+aeaMgvbr3LG8HnfLFBL6dA/79tyOZCgWtyb0fZQgw5KNS hHn7+ewjGTx1rva0Hg2pRpywG4ogZm9jCdmzg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cTIyJX+zHlxOGiW9IgWv/8WEwA/tlpvaA6hEAlU89NTfo7USlXfscrNLaWJa4DVQXx txPMNnl8U2hf3m9LmKBhfCzjvkEVdfTj2E9oWNjsg9SpHaaHMUholPOLWGTRoQYauyJp jHzkK67oToHFRhE84lJTziKNu6FXORW6K+u/I= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:15:57 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_113364_9745825.1227284157361" References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:15:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_113364_9745825.1227284157361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only takes a few seconds On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during an > OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken. ------=_Part_113364_9745825.1227284157361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only takes a few seconds

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during an OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken.
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Subject: CERTIFIED BANK DRAFT Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:02:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Nov 2008 16:04:12.0250 (UTC) FILETIME=[CB584BA0:01C94BF2] To: undisclosed-recipients:; Dear Friend, I have been waiting for you since to contact me for your Confirmable International Certified Bank Draft of $1,000,000.00. (One Million United States Of America Dollars) but I did not hear from you. Then I went to the bank to confirm if the draft has expired or getting near to expire and Mrs. Cecilia Ibru,M.D, Oceanic Bank, told me that before the draft will get to your hand that it will expire. So I told her to cash the $1,000,000.00, to avoid losing this fund under expiration. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 16:50:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9873F3BE87; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=roQa+zf+9vurlor0Sqhy02vb9s0IPJ3XMklvv/nE4vQ=; b=BVkINQYcveJITICMEtnwWQjS4mJbvsh+84GVoQkkpCKEM6RN/TcBhS7a0s5bpPMJ2S cqewZGYGelEAoVKjntvlAV4jmEJqsFqHWdfnzJRUD0x4b13yRj2SQX4Qqsqpd7mLMZV+ KKSPmD+er8yQx7arsks0WLtk1oBpQCLf9IrR4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HFz5i4L/V8bQjXq7NZxtLFUiW6zffWWmnplhXAfZIhiO36son0pgoKxU2a5/EhF8HZ /NnHEDN4Rv5Y3fmNHDq0W2sl8pEX2TtC25dzf3KDEo5zGkWB3Hkq/Pl/9m5Y1UanFcC9 mh57m4DVQimLbcqNHS7u0Nya5k10mfbqw2++k= Message-ID: <3fa302e30811210850mad9cab4vd7f41601b9a693a3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:50:15 -0800 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_105654_8701298.1227286215644" References: Resent-Message-ID: <_J5EGD.A.O_D.JbuJJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:50:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_105654_8701298.1227286215644 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline MNM! From one old guy to another . . . Thank you very much! I HAVE been playing more lately (the acoustic), and when I surface here, it's actually a good sign of renewed interest, as curmudgeonly as I may sound. Be well my friend! -m On 11/21/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/20/08 7:05:02 PM, biffoz@gmail.com writes: > > > The cure for me has been to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which > has been quite liberating. > > > ola miko.....i must share this.....last nite.....the weather sez snow is > acomin'......the sun is almost set.....i have put off ( i have become sooo > slothful that i don't even persue my life of hedonism.....:)) raking all of > the leaves in my garden before they become too funky to deal with.....so off > i go, rake in hand, i-pod set to random play.....it's too cold, it's too > dark, i'm too old, where are my children, yuck, wet slimy stuff full of > spiders, snakes, scorpians all mannor of LOVECRAFTIAN monsters hidden under > the darkening mass, i actually got to touch this primordial skank to get > it "in the bag".....perhaps i will just do this little section, ok, i'll do > half of the garden, i am so lazy, i suffer too much.....at one point, i > actually, and i'm not kiddin', had the rake upside down, the tines were > pointing into the air and needless to say, rakes don't work well that way, > so after a WTF moment, cursing the universe i saw the error of the rake and > went on, ahhhh this is a bit better you idiot, i say to myself.....at this > point your tune with the lyrics "do you really want to know, well stand in > line" came on.....some of my favorite guitar playing ever, in fact, one of > my fave CT tunes.....well let me tell ya, this energized me to not only > finish the entire garden but also, rather than let the bags-o-leaves lie > till next weeks pickup, to boldly drag them up to the street, oh how i > suffer, for today's pickup.....so being an audient (tm) of your music i was > transported to a different "state" of "being".....i was moved to my very > soul, thank you.....and guess what?.....it never snowed!.....:).....michael > > > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the > things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!( > http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_105654_8701298.1227286215644 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline MNM!  From one old guy to another . . . Thank you very much! I HAVE been playing more lately (the acoustic), and when I surface here, it's actually a good sign of renewed interest, as curmudgeonly as I may sound. Be well my friend!  -m

On 11/21/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com <Nemoguitt@aol.com> wrote:

In a message dated 11/20/08 7:05:02 PM, biffoz@gmail.com writes:


The cure for me has been to play acoustic folk music and sing badly, which has been quite liberating.


ola miko.....i must share this.....last nite.....the weather sez snow is acomin'......the sun is almost set.....i have put off ( i have become sooo slothful that i don't even persue my life of hedonism.....:)) raking all of the leaves in my garden before they become too funky to deal with.....so off i go,  rake in hand, i-pod set to random play.....it's too cold, it's too dark, i'm too old, where are my children, yuck, wet slimy stuff full of spiders, snakes, scorpians all mannor of LOVECRAFTIAN monsters hidden under the darkening mass,  i  actually got to touch this primordial skank to get it "in the bag".....perhaps i will just do this little section, ok, i'll do half of the garden, i am so lazy, i suffer too much.....at one point, i actually, and i'm not kiddin', had the rake upside down, the tines were pointing into the air and needless to say, rakes don't work well that way, so after a WTF moment, cursing the universe i saw the error of the rake and went on, ahhhh this is a bit better you idiot, i say to myself.....at this point your tune with the lyrics "do you really want to know, well stand in line" came on.....some of my favorite guitar playing ever, in fact, one of my fave CT tunes.....well let me tell ya, this energized me to not only finish the entire garden but also, rather than let the bags-o-leaves lie till next weeks pickup, to boldly drag them up to the street, oh how i suffer, for today's pickup.....so being an audient (tm) of your music i was transported to a different "state" of "being".....i was moved to my very soul, thank you.....and guess what?.....it never snowed!.....:).....michael



"EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************
One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp%26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001)



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Biffoz@Gmail.com
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"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_105654_8701298.1227286215644-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 17:03:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ED8B3BE89; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Ag66wsTftRMaraCPrLLtrh2cUOPy/lbAk2BVJyAN5Oh7g6+C4zZn40VYQrYJIZsg4YXAPbTGA3kPyM3sxzfiqzVXghvKAnhIsjrdt/V0xSuKwKa6EpCoG3ZwF4IBI+mjGsqUaSxBTsTuczL8TNwEEZ0YxjEWx6x7D91+zVPmHuQ=; X-YMail-OSG: yNgfJdEVM1leZVpBurnUK4jOd2Yd3MS55ZRWvpseDR1EYF55wsswMspuOt900fh.WiOCZLIVxFlRJYpddU_KvWs6hRVx_ZrtsU_1ITt4twPrG5FBgVqORUGBSuQyOG6WMDWYNJZUDTTeug2QbRQRyVh7i_5rzOlRg3N6ou28 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:03:52 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: instant composition/experimental/etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-820419399-1227287032=:63202" Message-ID: <874217.63202.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:03:53 +0000 (UTC) --0-820419399-1227287032=:63202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ok-wow, these are some good points-and a lot of these ideas where things we= talked about when i was in grad school (MFA-painting)=A0 back in the 90's.= .. the question comes down to WHY CREATE AT ALL? boy you could go on for days on that.... and who is your audience....days again i think for me-since i've been playing guitar since 1983, is that i enjoy i= t. i just love making noise/whatever. i'm really horrible at playing other = songs, had no desire to do it, just loved playing, and i never thought i wa= s good enough, then starting writing songs in '97, and i would compare the = process similar to drawing or painting. sometimes it goes quick, sometimes = it takes forever.... when i finally got the nerve up in '06 to play at an open mic nite locally-= i realized some things: IT'S HARD! playing acoustic/singing songs i wrote-R= EMEMBERING THEM ONSTAGE! it gave me an appreciation for singers-sure, i secretly will mock madonna/b= ritney/whoever, but I'M NOT UP ON A STAGE DANCING (which i can't do), SINGI= NG (whatever) AND WEARING THE OUTFITS THEY WEAR, you really have to have a = certain type of personality to pull that off-and i don't have it... i also like to know historical precedents in everything i do, and always lo= ved Zappa's idea of instant composition when he played live w/ his band, li= ke philip guston (painter) said: there's a lot of preparation for a few mom= ents of innocence(paraphrase)).... one of the things we talked about in grad school w/ ideas of making art was= the "inner need". ask yourself if you didn't do X-creative thing anymore, = would you be ok? if i didn't draw i my little sketchbooks (on #429) or play= guitar everyday, i get anxious... s--- ps-great topics by the way, really makes me think. i don't think i answered= anything, just more fuel on the fire..... Being conscious of one's intent and actions can help progression, but anoth= er question?=20 Why play for anyone, anywhere? If a musician / artist / player / shaman states, "I play for myself and don't consider the audience at all."=A0 What is the reason for the performance?=20 Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In theend you c= an't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece hasa beginning and a= n end... so then, why give it a single thought? =0A=0A=0A --0-820419399-1227287032=:63202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
ok-wow, these are some good points-and a lot of these ideas where things we talked about when i was in grad school (MFA-painting)  back in the 90's...
the question comes down to WHY CREATE AT ALL?
boy you could go on for days on that....
and who is your audience....days again
i think for me-since i've been playing guitar since 1983, is that i enjoy it. i just love making noise/whatever. i'm really horrible at playing other songs, had no desire to do it, just loved playing, and i never thought i was good enough, then starting writing songs in '97, and i would compare the process similar to drawing or painting. sometimes it goes quick, sometimes it takes forever....
when i finally got the nerve up in '06 to play at an open mic nite locally-i realized some things: IT'S HARD! playing acoustic/singing songs i wrote-REMEMBERING THEM ONSTAGE!
it gave me an appreciation for singers-sure, i secretly will mock madonna/britney/whoever, but I'M NOT UP ON A STAGE DANCING (which i can't do), SINGING (whatever) AND WEARING THE OUTFITS THEY WEAR, you really have to have a certain type of personality to pull that off-and i don't have it...

i also like to know historical precedents in everything i do, and always loved Zappa's idea of instant composition when he played live w/ his band, like philip guston (painter) said: there's a lot of preparation for a few moments of innocence(paraphrase))....

one of the things we talked about in grad school w/ ideas of making art was the "inner need". ask yourself if you didn't do X-creative thing anymore, would you be ok? if i didn't draw i my little sketchbooks (on #429) or play guitar everyday, i get anxious...
s---
ps-great topics by the way, really makes me think. i don't think i answered anything, just more fuel on the fire.....



Being conscious of one's intent and actions can help progression, but another question?

Why play for anyone, anywhere? If a musician / artist / player / shaman states, "I play for myself and don't consider the audience at all."  What is the reason for the performance?

Composing is thinking about a form, just being aware of it. In theend you can't avoid it, at least in composition, as every piece hasa beginning and an end...

so then, why give it a single thought?


--0-820419399-1227287032=:63202-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 17:04:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBF193BE98; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=XP/g4N6tTTx1maIoetLgFJQLQkgQh9eEBvrmnfjJdlU=; b=Wvw6AGIoCbnMnlNcLgbvDFW0piKO1rtmJgoZ3ABrjbdBSoR6S9pHlCCZ7AzBa+ht07 5RJugr/gBQm6R+Y3wpRc/WNhl43mF9KKf0324qBQJBdvs1Mhru34v+t/537106Nes154 3r9oj7pRvlNc/HHIvwJU1zgF54e1URAYdVZbw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=LskbtELnSeZn51HZmfXRjeeeklrNv/UCbeHO5RojBhgaiFCsFcMoh64IDZi8N98R+6 uDjv/S/lcgrJK9uG5CWeK08yDc7SG18bUbxQbD2cjOPZ/UNGTrdRfOG8jTfXU9h7aDLW 3XjV+t1LMq1iAJj1fo09tNu/bjULQ/gudrGOk= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811210904j7ed04c07kb16e3d2c5a48f9c5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:04:12 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FS: Effects, synths, theremin, Vintage and otherwise In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_122767_29091188.1227287052774" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: bfed9d03b040c42e Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:04:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_122767_29091188.1227287052774 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dang.. too slow, I want that too!!! But thanks for reminding me of it.. Im interested in a new modulator right now... Im wanting to offload my MOFX (a rack space issue) and this will make a nice tabletop replacement... Anyone else got one gathering dust? M On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Duke Sexton wrote: > At 8:43 AM -0800 11/19/08, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote: > >> >> Roland EF-303 - $225. Very cool discontinued slider/sequencer based >> effects box. also spits out midi from sliders so you can use it as an >> analog sequencer. Filled with stuf for DJs too including BPM, RCAs, etc. >> Has drum samples and drum mode as well as bit crushing, flange, >> distortion, etc etc etc all fully LIVE and tweakable. >> > > Hey David, > > This is Mech from Loopers-Delight. I think I might be interested in the > EF-303 you just mentioned over on the LD list. > > I've just relocated to Japan earlier this year. If you could be so kind, > would you mind checking what the postage would be to zip code 770-8041 > (Tokushima, Japan)? Doesn't need to get here tomorrow. Just need to make > sure it's got some sort of tracking and some basic insurance. I've actually > had pretty good luck with the post office (well, after it gets past the US > border; of course, you probably already know the score for using them inside > the US). > > Also, do you take PayPal? > > Thanks buddy! > > -- Duke. > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_122767_29091188.1227287052774 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline dang.. too slow, I want that too!!!
But thanks for reminding me of it.. Im interested in a new modulator right now... Im wanting to offload my MOFX (a rack space issue) and this will make a nice tabletop replacement... Anyone else got one gathering dust?

M

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:38 PM, Duke Sexton <mech2@m3ch.net> wrote:
At 8:43 AM -0800 11/19/08, legion@helpwantedproductions.com wrote:

Roland EF-303 - $225. Very cool discontinued slider/sequencer based
effects box. also spits out midi from sliders so you can use it as an
analog sequencer. Filled with stuf for DJs too including BPM, RCAs, etc.
Has drum samples and drum mode as well as bit crushing, flange,
distortion, etc etc etc all fully LIVE and tweakable.

Hey David,

This is Mech from Loopers-Delight.  I think I might be interested in the EF-303 you just mentioned over on the LD list.

I've just relocated to Japan earlier this year.  If you could be so kind, would you mind checking what the postage would be to zip code 770-8041 (Tokushima, Japan)?  Doesn't need to get here tomorrow. Just need to make sure it's got some sort of tracking and some basic insurance.  I've actually had pretty good luck with the post office (well, after it gets past the US border; of course, you probably already know the score for using them inside the US).

Also, do you take PayPal?

Thanks buddy!

-- Duke.




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http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_122767_29091188.1227287052774-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 17:26:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C93433BE91; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:26:27 EST Subject: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c69.39db7b08.36584943_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:26:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c69.39db7b08.36584943_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) --part1_c69.39db7b08.36584943_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable new GP.....fantastic article on michael= , os and bernhard wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael



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new groovy tunes at:
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--=_NextPart_Lycos_130491144785422_ID-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 21 23:37:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 496A33BE85; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=UkiyX/g2FmLB16VFcnf99Wem4vSNrLcZxnIyDMDX8Jc=; b=gtDA7mMp1IOoAsLIfgKncq8giMScBX5R+e07i2roz4vNStGIzALd0bLIUQSPbSYkKc n3JyCst/U+O1DC7me3mCEmSaYylov/1uSOX873EEbzi479qHpbG80bYkVGZpDa+Tluuv UF5waIe1U0UZpSHSkpUGPImOvhanmfFsbNL+A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=OcApZTSe3bGC86rhxydhB+jLgyY8kVRSWdX46uCbE9RBdhPil1pi5MIzDyC2ToB9Fd XyO5Mb+L9Br8mQpHfm3SHl92AlJIPRf2r1fPsTsQu+MEmHboP+T2lSpmSmV/n9WMY2tT +P8NsTBSllo3Gsy3068thEZLM9HAP46hPTKo4= Message-ID: <652f3a270811211537g6f8560d6ke267530faa33b506@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:07:17 +1030 From: r.domain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: slow HD+Logic (was: upgradin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_154441_5490892.1227310637976" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:37:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_154441_5490892.1227310637976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So I'm guessing you hate that massive tube sag sound ;-) hehe.... Ritchie http://murdergrin.blogspot.com I wouldn't say my tolerance for latency is fairly high, but having > lived through years of playing electric guitar live on stage I have > developed ways to adapt to latency. But I don't like it. I get a > better feel playing electric guitar on rigs with small speakers > because they are faster. > ------=_Part_154441_5490892.1227310637976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So I'm guessing you hate that massive tube sag sound ;-)  hehe....

Ritchie
http://murdergrin.blogspot.com


I wouldn't say my tolerance for latency is fairly high, but having
lived through years of playing electric guitar live on stage I have
developed ways to adapt to latency. But I don't like it. I get a
better feel playing electric guitar on rigs with small speakers
because they are faster.


------=_Part_154441_5490892.1227310637976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 00:11:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2267C3BE80; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2DcP0r1cAh5R5TRNHlGFiGtKoXA3MQaynMSkpxekfFY=; b=juRuDtSoITx9lsfVtcmhXuHaKEes4wOfsWR9H+vfA+yje09rX6q1fkdwHD/mYVjjak XkGX2+hPzIGuDUiFq7vDRESBaRTDGDAbYzvyu/q0N7J5ufclw0o3vgUukHAsnvGAj0mY EPH6xZ75IKY2Yd4mSUFrmr9Omv0A+B629Cbrw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=p6BDn2lvzGRXavqYQtecx6etVfLPJm7+/MOQ/xDcPYKXFDo9z0i+r0kLi84VjmyfuK itFzNKzKz+EX24CA8IpgzfOddpGmKoGd0zOPaIithTkTqzlJm+lOuRJ5i6/AkVbhaMQe ed/Y/mKUMDArprgxr+2sLQqv30Xb3gTGfNLPw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:11:47 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85548_28944562.1227312707489" References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:11:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85548_28944562.1227312707489 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it's happening at least once a month in conjunction with the nightly mini-defrag? TH On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only > takes a few seconds > ------=_Part_85548_28944562.1227312707489 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If it's happening at least once a month in conjunction with the nightly mini-defrag? 

TH

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only takes a few seconds


------=_Part_85548_28944562.1227312707489-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 00:16:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 391733BE84; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:16:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=T+7FKrDK/c4vuSZL0tjIo5TAl1l/lakVddS3RjnwUjs=; b=s0DSriYu167HuTZ3T7a7TwWyrz7XM71fU52ME9bJl9hsg5HYD8xYaS5a0Ww6OQKJa3 2RSDAiid+LKuhEDViAuvOeH9+Y/rVuaV/klozjFM3qwLAlZ3B15QvPS+ju13VkcYCorw eTeOdOGyLPeFvXTuAHHCnakQiREj9tKX+L45g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=P4D7O3tgMu2sDkDgd4ncWbChs71jRlsWwGPc5hTYkEGppFdu4dbGc26PWP4lbo+w/X HrNzxTHxp6M15Vc0/yp5KF370mqBKh42HbO1UrO92uRX0DTCBS2YzI/3ljZVSXq8dfke iIAq/3klS4TVzsU1if+E0FOKLWqpxrnnEBH7o= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:16:17 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_85566_24167784.1227312977876" References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:16:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_85566_24167784.1227312977876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's Apple's take on the issue: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US Here's the bulk of the article: *Do I need to optimize?* You probably won't need to optimize at all if you use Mac OS X. Here's why: - Hard disk capacity is generally much greater now than a few years ago. With more free space available, the file system doesn't need to fill up every "nook and cranny." Mac OS Extended formatting (HFS Plus) avoids reusing space from deleted files as much as possible, to avoid prematurely filling small areas of recently-freed space. - Mac OS X 10.2 and later includes delayed allocation for Mac OS X Extended-formatted volumes. This allows a number of small allocations to be combined into a single large allocation in one area of the disk. - Fragmentation was often caused by continually appending data to existing files, especially with resource forks. With faster hard drives and better caching, as well as the new application packaging format, many applications simply rewrite the entire file each time. Mac OS X 10.3 Panther can also automatically defragment such slow-growing files. This process is sometimes known as "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering." - Aggressive read-ahead and write-behind caching means that minor fragmentation has less effect on perceived system performance. For these reasons, there is little benefit to defragmenting. *Note:*Mac OS X systems use hundreds of thousands of small files, many of which are rarely accessed. Optimizing them can be a major effort for very little practical gain. There is also a chance that one of the files placed in the "hot band" for rapid reads during system startup might be moved during defragmentation, which would *decrease* performance. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only > takes a few seconds > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > >> I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during >> an OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken. > > ------=_Part_85566_24167784.1227312977876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's Apple's take on the issue:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1375?viewlocale=en_US



Here's the bulk of the article:

Do I need to optimize?

You probably won't need to optimize at all if you use Mac OS X. Here's why:

  • Hard disk capacity is generally much greater now than a few years ago. With more free space available, the file system doesn't need to fill up every "nook and cranny." Mac OS Extended formatting (HFS Plus) avoids reusing space from deleted files as much as possible, to avoid prematurely filling small areas of recently-freed space.
  • Mac OS X 10.2 and later includes delayed allocation for Mac OS X Extended-formatted volumes. This allows a number of small allocations to be combined into a single large allocation in one area of the disk.
  • Fragmentation was often caused by continually appending data to existing files, especially with resource forks. With faster hard drives and better caching, as well as the new application packaging format, many applications simply rewrite the entire file each time. Mac OS X 10.3 Panther can also automatically defragment such slow-growing files. This process is sometimes known as "Hot-File-Adaptive-Clustering."
  • Aggressive read-ahead and write-behind caching means that minor fragmentation has less effect on perceived system performance.

For these reasons, there is little benefit to defragmenting.

Note:Mac OS X systems use hundreds of thousands of small files, many of which are rarely accessed. Optimizing them can be a major effort for very little practical gain. There is also a chance that one of the files placed in the "hot band" for rapid reads during system startup might be moved during defragmentation, which would decrease performance.

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Simeon Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
defragging usually takes ages, so i guess not, because that process only takes a few seconds


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought that the "Optimising System Resources" step that occurs during an OS update included defragging, but I could be mistaken.

------=_Part_85566_24167784.1227312977876-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 00:54:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B04203BE88; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:54:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_aafad98b-8933-4415-b4c9-a93e1b82235a_" X-Originating-IP: [207.119.201.116] From: J Johans To: Subject: mobius question Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:54:25 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2008 00:54:25.0574 (UTC) FILETIME=[DD904C60:01C94C3C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:54:26 +0000 (UTC) --_aafad98b-8933-4415-b4c9-a93e1b82235a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi commands in sequence? i.e select track 4......then record =20 or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi message for each command = i want? =20 thanks fro _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious emai= l. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safe= ty_112008 = --_aafad98b-8933-4415-b4c9-a93e1b82235a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi commands in sequence?=
i.e select track 4......then record
 =3B
or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi message for each command = i want?
 =3B
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fro

Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you= to suspicious email. Sign up today.= = --_aafad98b-8933-4415-b4c9-a93e1b82235a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 00:55:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDAE43BE88; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_84bdc34b-c164-43b3-9b83-57047d4d3eab_" X-Originating-IP: [207.119.201.116] From: J Johans To: Subject: mobius question Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:53:03 -0600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2008 00:53:03.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC98BED0:01C94C3C] Resent-Message-ID: <63zHK.A.08.rh1JJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:55:07 +0000 (UTC) --_84bdc34b-c164-43b3-9b83-57047d4d3eab_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi commands in sequence? i.e select track 4......then record =20 or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi message for each command = i want? =20 thanks fro _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the =93I=92m a PC=94 Messenger t= hemepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/= --_84bdc34b-c164-43b3-9b83-57047d4d3eab_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi commands in sequence?=
i.e select track 4......then record
 =3B
or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi message for each command = i want?
 =3B
thanks
fro

Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the =93I=92m = a PC=94 Messenger themepack now. Download now. = --_84bdc34b-c164-43b3-9b83-57047d4d3eab_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 03:24:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB543BE89; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5158 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:24:24 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--96208101 Message-Id: <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: mobius question Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:58:14 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc179.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:24:25 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--96208101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI messages but what most people do is write scripts. This is a complex subject so it is best to post on the Mobius Yahoo group to get recommendations. As an example here is a script that will select track 4 and record. -------------------------- !name Record Track 4 for 4 Record next ---------------------------------- When you write a script you have to "register" it in the Configuration->Scripts dialog. Then the name after "!name" will show up in the MIDI and key binding windows like it was a built-in function. Jeff On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans wrote: > is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi commands in > sequence? > i.e select track 4......then record > > or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi message for each > command i want? > > thanks > fro > > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to > suspicious email. Sign up today. --Apple-Mail-1--96208101 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI = messages but what
most people do is write scripts. =A0 This is = a complex subject so it is best
to post on the Mobius Yahoo = group to get recommendations. =A0As an example
here is a = script that will select track 4 and = record.

--------------------------
!nam= e Record Track 4
for = 4
=A0=A0Record
next
------------------------= ----------

When you write a script you have to = "register" it in the Configuration->Scripts dialog.
Then the = name after "!name" will show up in the MIDI and key binding = windows
like it was a built-in = function.

Jeff



On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans wrote:

is there a way inside of mobius to = trigger a few midi commands in sequence?
i.e select track 4......then = record
=A0
or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi = message for each command i want?
=A0
thanks
fro

Color = coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious = email.=A0Sign up = today.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 09:12:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D77F83BE8A; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:10:53 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <4927CC9D.2000204@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:12:05 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, November 22 at 6:00 am (EST / GMT-5 / ITZ-5). I will continue the special on Sequences Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen to WMUH on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 09:24:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6947D3BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Message-id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-reply-to: <9ea2f30b0811210725s24f327eft46f1b31fe312e209@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:24:53 -0500 References: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> <9ea2f30b0811210725s24f327eft46f1b31fe312e209@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Glad the sub/main switch helped.... it sure did for me. Radio Shack has it... I think they call it "contact cleaner" or something like that. So the RC-50 thinks you want it to be 4 bars long... weird. I have never run into that... then again I always tap the tempo in, so.... different uses produce different results. something in the tempo sync docs might help you with the tempo changing issue... not sure. Teddy On Nov 21, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Todd Matthews wrote: > Thanks Teddy for the answers! > > That's perfect to switch the uses of the sub and main out! Can you get > tv tuner lube from any electronics store? > > For the third one I don't tap the tempo with the pedal at all I just > set the patch tempo at 52. Then when I finish my first loop the tempo > automatically bumps up to 104. My first loop is two measures (8 > quarter notes) and I have the time signature for the patch set to 4/4. > > I have been going through the support docs but only one time through > so far. I'm sure it will stick much better the next go round:) > > Todd Matthews From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 09:58:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E6403BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C94C91.48947EB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclMN3BZ/aK0aMO9SuGi1aC+IMdpbwAUVM1A In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.35; VDF: 7.1.0.122) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:58:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C94C91.48947EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ... -michael p ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C94C91.48947EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> new=20 GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard=20 wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael 
 
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C94C91.48947EB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 10:04:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8514C3BE8C; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 110761729/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.248.40/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.248.40 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiUBAGdnJ0lPTvgo/2dsb2JhbAAIjwnGaoJ8g1E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,649,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="110761729" Message-ID: <4927D9E8.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:07:36 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> In-Reply-To: <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Jeffrey Larson wrote: > > You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI messages but what > most people do is write scripts. Yep, one Midi Note and 2 CC. Very limited. That's one reason why Mobius scripts are such a good idea. Hey Jeff, does Mobius respond to both Midi-Note and CC at the same time, or is it either/or like EDP? That was something I tried to get into loop4 to help out fcb1010 users. (Matthias not convinced) andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 11:10:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BFC0E3BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 461 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:25 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Bearpark Subject: Re: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:02:34 +0000 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=_ZF4emQ6JzYA:10 a=ov9V2UWEcY0A:10 a=vM0ojxbX6S9NWBLInnYA:9 a=mOa6RhYEj-nNzYnvi2lLPZsPaOYA:4 a=WN8zLioqDSwA:10 a=G2AsRb49nnwmWARIy9zzNStElGQ=:19 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Yes please.... I haven't seen it yet! Only just finished reading about Nick McCabe in the Holiday 2008 issue here in the UK... A huge thank-you to Anil Prasad and Barry Cleveland for making it happen. Mike On 22 Nov 2008, at 09:58, Michael Peters wrote: > > new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard > wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael > > > maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ... > > -michael p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 11:14:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629A33BE79; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:14:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=1yFbXKLN7i8paCdIDo6qeCyvS83KpcSlbvosTjECnzE=; b=QNCbhSL9gNNxAn0IkcBeP8ePrANdx12qt/ONo8TUq/YdiMwE3zx0D/EpHpqVOqKA3I aaZ6iVw6Ysjeh9fTAmw4U19pv7w8TMbMTGJ3OKKYnFQboib+CzK6F4SrPD2RlLZNI0ne VGbJMQ0Fd5kHfLGAgIs1X8t1YVAqan4JKza5g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ch2GQRptyDeYkOFiK/qI/p9b4LGQPlYmI9cj1+FJScYv8DIDkBrPFwOwI0tzeYtQ/X m0mDjjPgZTD/kzs9MHE+iCGWnMf5rdXVy4h77fr6+z6ZoDoct1jG5565Xvy6nTEBoYSl Dl7FcgJb7uTL2qICSG0bMKMNKY5W8ageD1nj4= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:14:27 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85736 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:14:28 +0000 (UTC) In a message in the "randomness" thread, Rick said: "...Rock and Roll (the genre associated with Metallica)" Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis kind) Rock 'n' Roll? Rick? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 11:31:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1E253BE8C; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bVeMdr+Vq9taChrPMkn7Zq/F3ekcxcFsqJasS+++RZs=; b=V7G2uJohbQTc1mZxwTW/4kAJNosdUlgYyRuoHzxBQ5b1nwCtcKDc4I+vqJonhr3uf3 jPocn17IeVK/4d3jaDiURX9DhXXJU0etWjwtvnoW65WpvdV1i/ytPD5wsjqeUcFzLRY7 Bn4C4jTUt1xrnvvolImtIlYidELJuKP5ZVZqA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bV784safx2K/Q606pfecPd096KxIpUF7wbcebGY5Cybu7mpLUwsb5HfcK9ydPZyG5B EOBFldbfmspqN/8Z5RQKE4wOke287kU/tEk9bwBhOZwioR9WBcRekq2PUhDNH85fb3D9 CPtooy83NlKIHoNdYer1mFLWXwcv5slxNx34Q= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 12:31:06 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:31:07 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill wrote: > Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis > kind) Rock 'n' Roll? No. Some people define it by the way they live their life. I don't think it's possible to define it just in musical terms. It's a lot about attitude and sometimes that attitude reflects in the music. Then there is also the commercial backlash culture, created by corporations that advertise gadgets targeting "Rock 'n' Roll wannabies". It's a mess.... -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 13:14:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB3393BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m-6kwNUETz0A:10 a=r78wlut0Q7QA:10 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=eJUv4CTVPJ-WeU4X8XMA:9 a=W1up_XNQAq7RWB_6LW-GJepFcIQA:4 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> References: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:14:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Right On! For example, when the Sex Pistols told the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to stick their award up their arses. That was Rock and Roll! On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill > wrote: > >> Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis >> kind) Rock 'n' Roll? > > > No. Some people define it by the way they live their life. I don't > think it's possible to define it just in musical terms. It's a lot > about attitude and sometimes that attitude reflects in the music. Then > there is also the commercial backlash culture, created by corporations > that advertise gadgets targeting "Rock 'n' Roll wannabies". It's a > mess.... > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 14:48:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4741B3BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227365303; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=kFjcrAREppPGD8ENkRs6nMJ8yug=; b=n5cy45+8WdxetCC38YuWd9cVZRIAjXPYyRxbLRTAStJnIzVJtrC2QXziDpHRaBiH Gf5/SZEOiCUMM7DyrxYNABVpBetiGZDAPZbRUQs0QLbzOM1lsJr7RJWSUX7EnQCD; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m-6kwNUETz0A:10 a=r78wlut0Q7QA:10 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=Kg0gwqYWL2eYgH5gauAA:9 a=bOZK22fLnDxbT3xrPdAA:7 a=vuvkrV6eoWVvPsi8jWihaBPduiAA:4 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=5FtdkfQUxfIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004801c94cb1$5ee1f9c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:48:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:48:24 +0000 (UTC) We used to say if your parents listen to it, it's not Rock and roll, then we became parents...and then grandparents..I want to get off here please! What is played on commercial radio these days I guess is R and R cause I don't listen to much of it. but then my radios are stuck on pbs around here (central Florida).. no collage radio like some bigger towns. Thank God for the internet! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll > Right On! > For example, when the Sex Pistols told the Rock and Roll Hall of > Fame to stick their award up their arses. That was Rock and Roll! > > On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill >> wrote: >> >>> Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis >>> kind) Rock 'n' Roll? >> >> >> No. Some people define it by the way they live their life. I don't >> think it's possible to define it just in musical terms. It's a lot >> about attitude and sometimes that attitude reflects in the music. Then >> there is also the commercial backlash culture, created by corporations >> that advertise gadgets targeting "Rock 'n' Roll wannabies". It's a >> mess.... >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1804 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 6:24 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 16:22:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79C5D3BE8D; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> <004801c94cb1$5ee1f9c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:22:12 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Vipre-Scanned: 04528C3E00097404528D8B Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:22:24 +0000 (UTC) I would suggest that what people hear on the radio these days is more A and R than R and R.. From: "Jeff Duke" > We used to say if your parents listen to it, it's not Rock and roll, then > we became parents...and then grandparents..I want to get off here please! > What is played on commercial radio these days I guess is R and R cause I > don't listen to much of it. but then my radios are stuck on pbs around > here (central Florida).. no collage radio like some bigger towns. > Thank God for the internet! > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Sewell" > To: > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll > > >> Right On! >> For example, when the Sex Pistols told the Rock and Roll Hall of >> Fame to stick their award up their arses. That was Rock and Roll! >> >> On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis >>>> kind) Rock 'n' Roll? >>> >>> >>> No. Some people define it by the way they live their life. I don't >>> think it's possible to define it just in musical terms. It's a lot >>> about attitude and sometimes that attitude reflects in the music. Then >>> there is also the commercial backlash culture, created by corporations >>> that advertise gadgets targeting "Rock 'n' Roll wannabies". It's a >>> mess.... >>> >>> -- >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.myspace.com/perboysen >>> www.stockholm-athens.com >>> >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1804 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 > 6:24 PM > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 16:38:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B48B3BE93; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227371914; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=BTSSDjCi7DR2+ZmI1LztJv82XG8=; b=bJW54KYNXxyzYc5BFLGrqtXkijDMCOlE5qbRBMqRSR1lNjSDKqtbWA/Fd1VKINXn KWpWiz5I8rFrLhC8PbS/QaqXJ40JbSm7xcHXf+LzTJsir9cgtN/lzkew1PpJmAdd; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m-6kwNUETz0A:10 a=r78wlut0Q7QA:10 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=deKM-WJZAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=u4rgCqkTTvsp_Ou-PKsA:9 a=YfDkmGJ9yk7RWUYfocsA:7 a=04EsjjUIEaNpl8ZUEFADeDWbZrUA:4 a=_l2Q2dtbBbIA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=9xyTavCNlvEA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp01.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <000c01c94cc0$c33bd580$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <7334ca1b0811220314r62b9e6c4s5fdf14b957505f94@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811220331v7a63b156i7c8bd8b1d41bd003@mail.gmail.com> <004801c94cb1$5ee1f9c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:38:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Right on SP, It's sad how they did a bang up job of turning "alternative" into an oxymoron... and "classic" rock stations, those same 10 songs over and over. j ----- Original Message ----- From: "SP Goodman" To: Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:22 AM Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll >I would suggest that what people hear on the radio these days is more A and > R than R and R.. > > From: "Jeff Duke" >> We used to say if your parents listen to it, it's not Rock and roll, then >> we became parents...and then grandparents..I want to get off here please! >> What is played on commercial radio these days I guess is R and R cause I >> don't listen to much of it. but then my radios are stuck on pbs around >> here (central Florida).. no collage radio like some bigger towns. >> Thank God for the internet! >> >> Jeff >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Sewell" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:14 AM >> Subject: Re: OT: definition of (contemporary) Rock 'n' Roll >> >> >>> Right On! >>> For example, when the Sex Pistols told the Rock and Roll Hall of >>> Fame to stick their award up their arses. That was Rock and Roll! >>> >>> On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Rainer Straschill >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Could anyone give me a definition of (contemporary, not the Elvis >>>>> kind) Rock 'n' Roll? >>>> >>>> >>>> No. Some people define it by the way they live their life. I don't >>>> think it's possible to define it just in musical terms. It's a lot >>>> about attitude and sometimes that attitude reflects in the music. Then >>>> there is also the commercial backlash culture, created by corporations >>>> that advertise gadgets targeting "Rock 'n' Roll wannabies". It's a >>>> mess.... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) >>>> www.myspace.com/perboysen >>>> www.stockholm-athens.com >>>> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1804 - Release Date: >> 11/21/2008 >> 6:24 PM >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1804 - Release Date: 11/21/2008 6:24 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 17:09:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDADD3BE98; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <4927D9E8.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> <4927D9E8.5070806@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <00B1601D-1357-42F6-9D84-37296AE68B33@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: mobius question Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:09:26 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc179.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:09:42 +0000 (UTC) > Hey Jeff, does Mobius respond to both Midi-Note and CC at the same time, > or is it either/or like EDP? You can bind functions to any combination of Notes, CC's and Program Changes. Supporting program changes is nice for really simple pedals that people often have when they first get started, but they usually move on to a pedal with momentary switches. Of course, "sus" functions don't work very well with program changes :-) I don't think too many people use combinations. If you have an FCB you use notes, Ground Control CC's, MIDI Moose PGM's, etc. You would need combinations for people that have a Ground Control Pro at their feet and also something like a Trigger Finger or keyboard for chromatic speed changes and loop triggers. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 17:46:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6439E3BEA0; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 107101064/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.248.40/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.248.40 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvoAADvUJ0lPTvgo/2dsb2JhbAAI00CCfINR X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,650,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="107101064" Message-ID: <49284633.40107@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:49:39 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: repeater / complete midi implementation chartJAMMAN References: <1CFEEF9D-9149-47F1-856A-A878E738AAF3@kliklak.net> In-Reply-To: <1CFEEF9D-9149-47F1-856A-A878E738AAF3@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <16l6cD.A.JUE.fVEKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) jayrope LD wrote: > morning, > > does anyone have an idea, where to get complete midi implemetations > charts for > - the Lexicon Jamman? > http://www.stecrecords.com/gear/jamman/doc/index.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 17:47:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C14573BEAE; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type :mime-version; bh=Azrib5lLY5TohCrga9xnlNHAbCdz6ZpnAwtGMHguECA=; b=DkbJ0ypqdA5wlPovA/vdaPyYntw1nMJZyiYqHZ7thRlKl2xisTAwLFDeA5wpz5rWyM OTNGRyqZJAaUAAHiahIZXB0BIWyGg7Nyn6SIh+zEkJF1xogmYAcV1Npmv/4ZeK5DBmMP 1MYsj+Nz/x80uPdQbnfcMCCviAXdKKsxNfpKE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:sensitivity :importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=kL2pwGUe+4YEUrBq5o/XCR10J1U3UR/LUngMFfPjh2TwwNXX6WsgYGJkd6HvGmhQ1v HTJOaie9chtaO85dG51CfleJuZ89lSB7G/Uo3pTzIOOmci11aEAw6l3nTUhmapF427ck bUOMneowv2pWorvC8hP0za0KIYFjz7D8Qc45g= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:238679220 Message-ID:<238679220-1227376022-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129761415-@bxe333.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: toddreyn@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question From: toddreyn@gmail.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:47:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85744 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:47:06 +0000 (UTC) QQ0KLS0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogSmVmZnJleSBMYXJzb24NClRv OiBMb29wZXJzLURlbGlnaHRAbG9vcGVycy1kZWxpZ2h0LmNvbQ0KUmVwbHlUbzogTG9vcGVycy1E ZWxpZ2h0QGxvb3BlcnMtZGVsaWdodC5jb20NClNlbnQ6IE5vdiAyMiwgMjAwOCA2OjA5IFBNDQpT dWJqZWN0OiBSZTogbW9iaXVzIHF1ZXN0aW9uDQoNCiA+IEhleSBKZWZmLCBkb2VzIE1vYml1cyBy ZXNwb25kIHRvIGJvdGggTWlkaS1Ob3RlIGFuZCBDQyBhdCB0aGUgc2FtZSAgDQp0aW1lLA0KID4g b3IgaXMgaXQgZWl0aGVyL29yIGxpa2UgRURQPw0KDQpZb3UgY2FuIGJpbmQgZnVuY3Rpb25zIHRv IGFueSBjb21iaW5hdGlvbiBvZiBOb3RlcywgQ0MncyBhbmQgUHJvZ3JhbSAgDQpDaGFuZ2VzLg0K U3VwcG9ydGluZyBwcm9ncmFtIGNoYW5nZXMgaXMgbmljZSBmb3IgcmVhbGx5IHNpbXBsZSBwZWRh bHMgdGhhdA0KcGVvcGxlIG9mdGVuIGhhdmUgd2hlbiB0aGV5IGZpcnN0IGdldCBzdGFydGVkLCBi dXQgdGhleSB1c3VhbGx5DQptb3ZlIG9uIHRvIGEgcGVkYWwgd2l0aCBtb21lbnRhcnkgc3dpdGNo ZXMuICBPZiBjb3Vyc2UsICJzdXMiIGZ1bmN0aW9ucw0KZG9uJ3Qgd29yayB2ZXJ5IHdlbGwgd2l0 aCBwcm9ncmFtIGNoYW5nZXMgOi0pDQoNCkkgZG9uJ3QgdGhpbmsgdG9vIG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIHVz ZSBjb21iaW5hdGlvbnMuICBJZiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBhbiBGQ0INCnlvdSB1c2Ugbm90ZXMsIEdyb3Vu ZCBDb250cm9sIENDJ3MsIE1JREkgTW9vc2UgUEdNJ3MsIGV0Yy4gIFlvdSB3b3VsZA0KbmVlZCBj b21iaW5hdGlvbnMgZm9yIHBlb3BsZSB0aGF0IGhhdmUgYSBHcm91bmQgQ29udHJvbCBQcm8gYXQg dGhlaXINCmZlZXQgYW5kIGFsc28gc29tZXRoaW5nIGxpa2UgYSBUcmlnZ2VyIEZpbmdlciBvciBr ZXlib2FyZCBmb3IgY2hyb21hdGljDQpzcGVlZCBjaGFuZ2VzIGFuZCBsb29wIHRyaWdnZXJzLg0K DQpKZWZmDQoNCg0KDQpTZW50IGZyb20gbXkgVmVyaXpvbiBXaXJlbGVzcyBCbGFja0JlcnJ5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 17:54:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C60E3BE99; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:54:19 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85745 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Which month issue are we talking about here? I no longer get the magazine, but would consider going to the local music store to pick one up if I knew which one it was. Who (or what) is on the cover? On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Michael Bearpark wrote: > Yes please.... I haven't seen it yet! > Only just finished reading about Nick McCabe in the Holiday 2008 issue > here in the UK... > A huge thank-you to Anil Prasad and Barry Cleveland for making it > happen. > Mike > > > On 22 Nov 2008, at 09:58, Michael Peters wrote: > >> > new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard >> wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael >> >> >> maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ... >> >> -michael p > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 18:10:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC573BEC0; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id :return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to :x-priority:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type :mime-version; 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boundary="----=_Part_42490_22666386.1227377503421" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:11:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42490_22666386.1227377503421 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Folks hello. I had the honor to appear with Daryl in our Chinapainting duo for the second time at the recent Y2K Loopfest in California. It was a wonderful and inspiring time and this year I was pleased to be there longer, from Saturday mid eve through the Sunday evening's conclusion. During that time I photographed almost everyone. On return home as I've been doing a lot of video work of late decided to take the photos to video and produce a work out of it. Due to low-fi digital cam and shooting avail light most of the shots are more 'light smears' than sharp (I know never blame the tools!) and are nowhere near the art of Mark Hamburg's documentation but they did convey the motion, sense of spirit and impetus I felt for this piece. Thanks to Rick's field recording, our CP set was captured and I used a piece from it for the soundtrack. As I said this is "almost" everyone, I did inadvertently miss Ryusei Hattori, Lindsay Walker, Peter Condor and Dan Stolzberg's sets that occurred during my time, my apologies to them. Though this was "still photography" I did attempt some unique things to make it more visual as well as experimental in scope particularly in the latter edits. Here are the links from the postings on Vimeo and YouTube. Feel free to promo at your discretion. Also posting the Flickr link of the stills... *On Vimeo - **http://www.vimeo.com/2124308* *On YouTube - URL **http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9gfCSdn7nQ* *On YouTube - embed link * name="allowFullScreen" value="true">* *On Flickr - **http://www.flickr.com/gp/14736454@N04/1Q703Y* * * Those of you on the list that were at Y2K this year it was so great to connect, hear, capture some of you for this piece and introduce Chinapainting if we were new to you. Regards and happy fall/winter Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_42490_22666386.1227377503421 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Folks hello.  I had the honor to appear with Daryl in our Chinapa= inting duo for the second time at the recent Y2K Loopfest in California.&nb= sp; It was a wonderful and inspiring time and this year I was pleased to be= there longer, from Saturday mid eve through the Sunday evening's concl= usion.
 
During that time I photographed almost everyone.  On return home = as I've been doing a lot of video work of late decided to take the phot= os to video and produce a work out of it.  Due to low-fi digital cam a= nd shooting avail light most of the shots are more 'light smears' t= han sharp (I know never blame the tools!) and are nowhere near the art of M= ark Hamburg's documentation but they did convey the motion, sense = of spirit and impetus I felt for this piece.  Thanks to Rick's fie= ld recording, our CP set was captured and I used a piece from it for t= he soundtrack.  As I said this is "almost" everyone, I did i= nadvertently miss Ryusei Hattori, Lindsay Walker, Peter Condor and Dan= Stolzberg's sets that occurred during my time, my apologies to them.
 
Though this was "still photography" I did attempt some = unique things to make it more visual as well as experimental in scope parti= cularly in the latter edits.
 
Here are the links from the postings on Vimeo and YouTube.  = Feel free to promo at your discretion.  Also posting the Flickr link o= f the stills...
 
On YouTube - embed link <object width=3D"425" hei= ght=3D"344"><param name=3D"movie" value=3D"<= /strong>http://www.youtube.com/v/s9gfCSdn7nQ= &hl=3Den&fs=3D1"></param><param name=3D"allowFullScreen" value=3D"true"></para= m><param name=3D"allowscriptaccess" value=3D"always&qu= ot;></param><embed src=3D"http://www.youtube= .com/v/s9gfCSdn7nQ&hl=3Den&fs=3D1" type= =3D"application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess=3D"alwa= ys" allowfullscreen=3D"true" width=3D"425" height= =3D"344"></embed></object>
 
Those of you on the list that were at Y2K this year it was so great to= connect, hear, capture some of you for this piece and introduce China= painting if we were new to you.
 
Regards and happy fall/winter
 
Jim


--
The Acoustic W= orld Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://w= ww.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim = Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http:/= /www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by= Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www= .melbay.com
------=_Part_42490_22666386.1227377503421-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 18:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E36C53BEB6; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:31:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Moebius newbie PMC-10 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:31:48 +0100 Message-ID: <008301c94cd0$94c13b90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclM0JQ7kMqbZUOFQJCXVUHIrgByCw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.42; AVE: 8.2.0.35; VDF: 7.1.0.122) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:31:52 +0000 (UTC) I'm finally going software now ... just tried Moebius for the first time in combination with my PMC-10 (that I used to control my EDP with). While Matthias Grob's EDP LoopV emulation (which is still in beta) recognized the PMC-10 and its commands immediately, Moebius didn't react - what do I have to do to make it recognize the PMC-10? -MichaelP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 18:33:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D9A63BEC7; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:33:34 -0800 Message-ID: <6C292AC3AF3F48D9A9BEFCA6E3D5A2CD@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01C94C8D.C8A84360" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AclM0NOBZtmMYEHJTC6Y/rLnN4vw2g== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:33:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C94C8D.C8A84360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I second that emotion, Michael Bearpark sent me a copy of the latest Darkroom CD a while back and it is really a fine piece of work, The = music ranges from the ethereal to the abstract, with great drum grooves and stellar production, this CD sounds, to quote Donald Trump, sounds = =93Huuge=94. A great driving in the car CD, even though the first track, I believe, = scared the crap out of me the other day, while waiting to turn left at a light. = I turned on the player, didn=92t realize the volume was up and the first = sound that comes in is the massive low end rumbling sound that made me think = some truck was about to nail me from behind, gave me a good start and a good laugh. But I digress, great work and beautiful music, Michael and OS.=20 As for Bernard Wagner, what can I say? Genius courses through his = veins? He makes a mean Caipirinaha? He can reheat Ratatouilles with the best of them? He=92s hiding secrets of great importance from the members of this = list? He=92s a secret attach=E9 to Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez? All of = these statements are true. Congratulations Bernard. I can=92t wait to hear = the CD you did with Michael B.. I can=92t remember if I got a copy from you or = not. I=92m still waiting for my GP but I=92ll photo copy the article to send = to you when I do. My best Bill =20 PS Hey Scoots, now that Bernard has become and international rising = star, what will become of our Trio =93The Bernards=94 and the still in the can =93Weekend at Bernie=92s=94 that we recorded at his house? Do you think = he will withhold the release rights, or get some studio =93ringers=94 to replace = our parts? Gee, I hope he isn=92t reading this. ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C94C8D.C8A84360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I second that emotion, Michael Bearpark sent me a = copy of the latest Darkroom CD a while back and it is really a fine piece of = work, =A0The music ranges from the ethereal to the abstract, with great drum grooves = and stellar production, this CD sounds, to quote Donald Trump, sounds = “Huuge”. A great driving in the car CD, even though the first track, I believe, = scared the crap out of me the other day, while waiting to turn left at a light. = I turned on the player, didn’t realize the volume was up and the = first sound that comes in is the massive low end rumbling sound that made me = think some truck was about to nail me from behind, gave me a good start and a = good laugh. But I digress, great work and beautiful music, Michael and OS. =

=A0As for Bernard =A0=A0Wagner, what can I say? = =A0Genius courses through his veins? =A0He makes a mean Caipirinaha? He can reheat = Ratatouilles with the best of them? He’s hiding secrets of great importance = from the members of this list? He’s a secret attach=E9 to Venezuelan = president Hugo Chavez? All of these statements are true. =A0Congratulations Bernard. I = can’t wait to hear the CD you did with Michael B.. I can’t remember if I = got a copy from you or not. I’m still waiting for my GP but I’ll = photo copy the article to send to you when I do.

=A0My best

=A0Bill

 

PS=A0 Hey Scoots, now that Bernard has become and international rising star, what will become of our Trio “The = Bernards” and the still in the can “Weekend at Bernie’s” =A0that = we recorded at his house? Do you think he will withhold the release rights, = or get some studio “ringers” to replace our parts? Gee, I hope he = isn’t reading this.

------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C94C8D.C8A84360-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 18:37:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91F0B3BEC9; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Y6Jkf8T/TYcxfC5zU0MXyTp9xBgz2Mmxnb/2jUHOXkg=; b=aLkhp0DcGHVf8g92Mr0qTV08czHYQvQQOLKoCm3akUQshceIG3Bb20AeZFg7sgzcj1 gWzJdDR/bJOWkOgGvet20KLfMGpYiKmMbR2AtCQKeFKyAZ7ObAOqr2ByWj9olQPrmEtJ 6G0JzBvVfOS/4DyQX5wNkQH0howgbL00hPttc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=EfYa+ZSKlHfqYMhRFEMiffM1dgaqMqPbK3jvN7VBHvazfWgV8y7TCnzxTEoplHJJbX AQPOVEA21PnvDPXy8+ZCobR3rpQNmRou5ZMu3EFhMZF4wJJMvCX/f7N1xy+4No/AxYDB vU8AUh2xydTyTD94Jkd9xfOOLSphlknC+VkzE= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811221037p21a51997xcb53348ae04f06f7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:37:38 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42740_8991631.1227379058347" References: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42740_8991631.1227379058347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Michael B excellent congradulations and I'll go look for it, if i get it today I'll scan and post... On 11/22/08, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > > Which month issue are we talking about here? > > I no longer get the magazine, but would consider going to the local music > store to pick one up if I knew which one it was. > > Who (or what) is on the cover? > > On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Michael Bearpark wrote: > > Yes please.... I haven't seen it yet! >> Only just finished reading about Nick McCabe in the Holiday 2008 issue >> here in the UK... >> A huge thank-you to Anil Prasad and Barry Cleveland for making it happen. >> Mike >> >> >> On 22 Nov 2008, at 09:58, Michael Peters wrote: >> >> > new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard >>> wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael >>> >>> >>> maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ... >>> >>> -michael p >>> >> >> > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_42740_8991631.1227379058347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Michael B excellent congradulations and I'll go look for it, if i get it today I'll scan and post...

On 11/22/08, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Which month issue are we talking about here?

I no longer get the magazine, but would consider going to the local music store to pick one up if I knew which one it was.

Who (or what) is on the cover?


On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Michael Bearpark wrote:

Yes please.... I haven't seen it yet!
Only just finished reading about Nick McCabe in the Holiday 2008 issue here in the UK...
A huge thank-you to Anil Prasad and Barry Cleveland for making it happen.
Mike


On 22 Nov 2008, at 09:58, Michael Peters wrote:

> new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael


maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ...

-michael p





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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_42740_8991631.1227379058347-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:10:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F197C3BEC5; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_8a6a9498-ef12-4f51-bc9c-cfaa0a41d5e0_" X-Originating-IP: [71.140.38.169] From: samba - To: Subject: OT contemp def rhythm Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:10:13 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081122183741.20A713BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081122183741.20A713BECD@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Nov 2008 19:10:13.0480 (UTC) FILETIME=[F25E9680:01C94CD5] Resent-Message-ID: <-0vzoD.A.TFB.WkFKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:10:14 +0000 (UTC) --_8a6a9498-ef12-4f51-bc9c-cfaa0a41d5e0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For my money the roll part disappeared from Rock music by the mid 80s. = The Roll is the part that's sometimes called feel factor =2Cswing=2C groo= ve=2Caspects Rick discussed most trenchently. There're no hips rolling in l= atter day Rock music. You know the origin of the word Hip is related to min= d body coordinatin=2Cbeing in the know including being present in the body.= When people dance by sort of bouncing up and down in place=2Cthe part of t= he groove that speaks directly to the hips is missing. When the music is re= ally in the groove you can see dancers doing moves they never did before an= d it's truly healing. When the music is really in the groove peoples bodies= move without their conscious attention =2Cpeople drinking and talking loud= ly in the back will be dancing without even necessarily noticing that they = are. --_8a6a9498-ef12-4f51-bc9c-cfaa0a41d5e0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B =3B =3B For my money the roll part disappeared from Rock m= usic by the mid 80s. The =3B Roll is the part =3B that's sometimes = called feel factor =2Cswing=2C groove=2Caspects Rick discussed most trenche= ntly. There're no hips rolling in latter day Rock music. You know the origi= n of the word Hip is related to mind body coordinatin=2Cbeing in the know i= ncluding being present in the body. When people dance by sort of bouncing u= p and down in place=2Cthe part of the groove that speaks directly to the hi= ps is missing. When the music is really in the groove you can see dancers d= oing moves they never did before and it's truly healing. When the music is = really in the groove peoples bodies move without their conscious attention = =2Cpeople drinking and talking loudly in the back will be dancing without e= ven necessarily noticing that they are.
= --_8a6a9498-ef12-4f51-bc9c-cfaa0a41d5e0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:25:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309563BECD; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: <008301c94cd0$94c13b90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <008301c94cd0$94c13b90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5019CA9D-08C8-4066-8C10-0F05EB4444C9@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Moebius newbie PMC-10 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:24:55 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) X-ACL-Warn: { X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc179.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) > Moebius didn't react - what do I have to do to make it recognize > the PMC-10? Mobius doesn't care about particular brands of pedal, it just recieves MIDI events. So first you have to use the Configuration->Midi Devices dialog to select one or more MIDI input devices. Unlike the EDP where you just set one "Source #" for a range of notes or CC's that are automatically bound to functions, in Mobius you have to program the function bindings one at a time. In other words, with the EDP you program your footswitch to match EDP function numbers, with Mobius you program Mobius to match whatever your footswitch is sending. Bring up the Configuration->MIDI Control dialog and press some PCM-10 buttons. You should see messages in the little box at the bottom showing you what the footswitch is sending. Select a function from the list on the left. Check the MIDI Capture checkbox. Now Mobius will "learn" whatever switch you press and assign it to the selected function. Continue this for other functions. Be sure to press Ok when you're done. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:27:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48643BEC5; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:27:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:27:03 EST Subject: Re: Video essay on Y2K8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cff.453cbb06.3659b707_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:27:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cff.453cbb06.3659b707_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jim.....thanks, i needed that!.....wonderful.....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) --part1_cff.453cbb06.3659b707_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable jim.....thanks, i needed that!.....wond= erful.....michael



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Try the new AOL.com tod= ay!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp%26icid=3Daolcom40vanity%26ncid=3Demlcn= taolcom00000001) --part1_cff.453cbb06.3659b707_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:31:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEE843BECC; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=2wfY32eH1H30mrYM2DW+oeJxcYFPf4LCPALjZjgNcwg=; b=Nt6lkk7jqpsWuceyGz5liIUyHFciyCxJotfMtHrdWxkm9muGvWYa5vF9tKCPf5lN4u EbnqR/UyOWISAd3rDc8KwT2X7mPZx2EitsVO8kb/O38mpzVJko9UkYNgpSq6io60Krgd u9jntm16x3julrL0VhpQakW3X6F41gIZVdOTA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=p+tfIA5ivoXTjZwrl1VntaFfPSVQW/BYgtTWYaCnvExDIp3wQFDK0ufDdiG+7TsVrL Z+5Jb5Xd5TvJSueXbTYvOZE6kM7EfEVpXexsHwrU2/l+sHRTB+r6h/ULd0+u58xFClVn KDDqjZjwZuxwJXAZMKE+6keZCau+IGE64NwIY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811221131lacd4e48h18e0fee20ddbed12@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:31:38 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Nice Crossfade Loop Synth impro uploaded :-) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've just rediscovered the effect plug-in Crossfade Loop Synth and uploaded a 2 minute clip just because I think this effect it is so cool: http://www.looproom.com/audio/crossfade_loop_synth.mp3 Simply playing a flute into the Crossfade Loop Synth and working its feedback from a MIDI expression pedal. About one minute into it I grabbed a chunk of it to loop in Mobius (the slightly annoying stiff thing that reminds about an organ chord hit) but everything else is simply playing live through the Crossfade Loop Synth. MainStage was used as the host and the channel strip patch had five plug-ins: "EQ, PitchShifter II (set to add -5), Crossfade Loop Synth, SpaceDesigner, Compressor". So what is this odd plug-in? Somewhere between a three loopers rack and tape delay machine simulator, I guess... I haven't fully explored it yet but as I used it in this clip it runs three instantly overdubbing live loops, each one set to a different speed (thus delivering three different pitches) and one of them playing the loop backwards as well. This plug-in can deliver a lot of other strange sounds that you don't here in my upload. I'm just exploring it piece for piece while learning to play it live, so I'm planning to go deeper into it as I'll get there. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:36:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 623F93BED8; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:09 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=zCeJY0QGrIP/6SwcqCE82AhdP6Q0Xcoa/iHSffsvSP+uQ2Y7hxhX8LZqR+L+zNCZZQjveIEbF9tMuUl3ZxYk9aPcW9/0iKPAGk2G1KQxjujagamygAB6LRRaALHWidiHpuSx9t18voa17lCtmN3JOXAPJ3LIWn+N/YSM/59VGRQ=; X-YMail-OSG: yZdBgn0VM1lGJTgWqhNLq_xPyHycMDLCGCmvtgDH3puuIijJM4148BvdWf_5AfxW9Uniyh8XsOj_LI5y84B5iPeTSq25ATL8qGGnHwXRwsmfiY14rR5iYyfBu5dm20aXdqZNY4boNyysm44zAxMFj388TrEGH.OUPtadvoYscNTMVL0acgyCXkrOL2g- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:29:28 -0800 (PST) From: stevenguerrero Reply-To: mesquamacus@yahoo.com Subject: Toledo Area Loopers... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <123493.41020.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Any Toledo area loopers out there? If so...Contact me off list for info for= an event... =A0 www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero=0A=0A=0A = From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 19:36:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629D93BEE7; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:36:16 EST Subject: Re: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd4.3ec106ec.3659b930_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag:NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85756 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:36:28 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd4.3ec106ec.3659b930_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en In a message dated 11/22/08 1:33:47 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes: > =E2=80=9CThe Bernards=E2=80=9D >=20 i think you mean the bernHards.....the b-man took the money and ran,=20 billy!.....it's a shame!.....:).....ted, it has david gilmour on the cover..= ...michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. 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In a message dated 11/22/08 1:33:47 PM, billwalker@baymoon.com writes:


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Try the new AOL.com tod= ay!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir= =3Dhttp://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp%26icid=3Daolcom40vanity%26ncid=3Demlcn= taolcom00000001) --part1_cd4.3ec106ec.3659b930_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 20:35:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A8473BEDD; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MuvvrONa2QRCg56RBpkM+/tTiKlq5lkeD7+l6RRGv1o=; b=P+Z4G67PuTIGXKdLX8zz5Wt4Ag0OgXKvz9KW79JhGitfW00uAlcBUmqsQs9aR9cSGw TQ9QBAwEkERFb9hLWuIEDynkoZP7H9qupa007Ghrz+nekiwOo+1qJks5bvvCEZJgyMpN KZhRlV/NjoIao0t7DeZ7YzCfxwuZ0iyqk54ik= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FNJGCaS8orlCFDres0pPRo47l/x5X2Nn2CSB5DW6R8m4tHz71k2voc7u4ZjQf8UJI8 VFZnEHFhrmsEInCw+EsFhu8oNdcruxv4r73OU7QNgAqsME/20MgGuMjHG9djQTCksJ2d TSfOrVfPsxCyoraXQN4bg7zs4utGTxBTWS8ig= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811221235p3907cfc0n617753f0bf471d3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 15:35:45 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Video essay on Y2K8 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <6RO5OC.A.NAF.i0GKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 20:35:46 +0000 (UTC) Michael thx so much - hope yu can be there next year. Hope we can work out an eastcoaster in 09 or possible global virtual. Best Jim On 11/22/08, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > jim.....thanks, i needed that!.....wonderful.....michael > > > > "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater > > new groovy tunes at: > http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 > www.ct-collective.com > > > > > > ************** > One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, > and the things you love. Try the new AOL.com > today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?redir=http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp > %26icid=aolcom40vanity%26ncid=emlcntaolcom00000001) > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 22:27:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483FA3BEDE; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=qAz_P_DWa070gwWCOEQA:9 a=ULQOc9olm_5P_XJBEnMb4ONGf9gA:4 a=yvZ1BPFDISIA:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Message-Id: <9A60B866-0C0B-4585-A22D-29B800A648F9@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:27:46 -0500 References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:27:49 +0000 (UTC) When I get that message, I just go to Project>Consolidate. It fixes it 99% of the time. On Nov 21, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > That "Disk too slow" error message in Logic usually doesn't mean a > disk IS too slow or even fragmented (see my other post for hints on > how to get rid of the annoying error mess). But as Olivier says you > can fragment a drive by recording long files. You can fix that with a > utility disk tool applications, but personally I think takes too long > time. My way is to keep two big external FireWire drives where I > record big files and keep my project folders. Now and then I format > one of them, just wiping everything and making the disk as newborn, > and then I copy all of the other drive's content to it. This is a very > quick process that fits better into a working day situation. Can be > done on the side as well by simply popping the FW drives into another > Mac. > > Per > > > > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 10:44 AM, o. malhomme @ laposte. net > wrote: >> "supposedly, defragging a mac disk is unnecessary. not sure if >> that's true, >> but that's what i heard." >> >> >> Well you have to keep in mind several things >> >> 1) OSX defrags only small files. In case of audio and video files, >> you can >> have files too big for OSX to act >> 2) OSX defrag doesn't include pulling of free space like soft used >> to do. >> Basically free space becomes a mess. And anytime you use it, it >> becomes >> harder, especially if you filled your drive. >> That is partly why, among other reasons, it is often advised to not >> too fill >> your disk. With proper disk management, it wouldn't be necessary. >> >> This is why I would advise anyway still to use an utilitary soft to >> perform >> this. >> >> One may not agree with me though. >> >> Olivier > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 23:27:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAFAD3BEE2; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:24:00 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081122232400.113700@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18e/Lcur/EeuHRCrZ6iiXbU9cD9E2TvfZKLXqMAAq 86PzQyOZ8bMt35f0TvrsFFGvNkVIKJ2LFkQw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: ou4dIQFGZDIrKMcogWc2waV5emhmY8Ei X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Resent-Message-ID: <1QasuD.A.MhH.WVJKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:27:18 +0000 (UTC) I like the idea with switching Main/Subs for Headphones. Great, Teddy! I'm not familiar with the other problems because I never use Rhythm Guide and I never change tempo RC-50. I recommend the following settings: - Multi Mode: Loop Quantize, Tempo Sync, no Loop Sync (unless all loops should be same length) - Single Mode: turn off Tempo Sync/Loop Quantize!! If you use these settings, you should have no problems with synced loops. Also pay attention, when using Multi Mode, to always keep a loop running when recording another loop. Else, two loops will have different tempos and when you retrigger the first, it will have a strange tempo... Also, keep in mind my "Mixed Mode". You just need an A/B guitar pedal for testing it in mono! :) Have fun! Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 23:32:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A0433BEE4; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:32:13 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20081122233213.113690@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19DjgRdQFpDKrnpQabdcpzsWUIi56nTPsgK0sHZsj pNwmTFiajRM4B2vQ2amJXmpVfYw5b0fd+Pqg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: T6AdeBxEbUk7KZ8oyWknyLFsZ2hlNwof X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the hints, guys, I'll try them. After all, we ended up recording the session with a Zoom H2. Gives you something to think about... ;-) But I will try out buffer sizes etc. Thanks again Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 23:34:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483683BEE7; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:34:22 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <9A60B866-0C0B-4585-A22D-29B800A648F9@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20081122233422.113690@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081121091255.AEDC23BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> <44b921fabc2f348053653ab8d3c5f53c@laposte.net> <66f9cc1e0811210251y6f63f526q96a6e365e4f7630d@mail.gmail.com> <9A60B866-0C0B-4585-A22D-29B800A648F9@comcast.net> Subject: Re: OT : Slow HD... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+fSdQrdXGf6UTRWTJcBumrWSETT0+FOVZqu+Mfzp Pgjw3ci9/R56WXWWNb3mRbnB6VIsgT8uF62Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: seNJLQBNa0A7eMh0jjAz5fc/Njh6dM6E X-FuHaFi: 0.8100000000000001 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Chris > When I get that message, I just go to Project>Consolidate. It fixes it > 99% of the time. Well, I start off with empty project and use no effects while recording. So there is not much to consolidate... Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 22 23:43:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B00073BEE4; Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 00:43:40 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081122234340.113700@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <681017.44865.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20081120232739.28130@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+w/80P+8Ow+xX517/yR2ygy3N5RIWLoi6Vh2OzZw QqdTUA4G9DEGqhr0cgRaPTu6OLuk72DuOIMw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: GKsaelsbPTR+Kp4oyjMwlPc5c2tpZEvS X-FuHaFi: 0.73 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 23:43:41 +0000 (UTC) > >did you really get any decent "telephone effect"? > >I always ended up with so much feedback - I gave it up. > Ah, now that's a slightly different issue. I'm pretty sure that it's > sorta linked to the nature of the effect. I use a patch on my Zoom G2 for getting that effect. It's emulating a Boss Overdrive pedal and it never causes any feedback problems. I guess with a little compression+eq, they could have handled it on the Voicetone Create. best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 04:20:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F4143BEF1; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2yF0O//tNkEGDlmt4sDL+NflBlux99qb6N8S8bktHW8=; b=EzHVbDgaUy5twixZ2/sUQZSLUEEarMgkbsfgarlYeaJqfW8wD2DMQ7XjxgWf0GRK+f QfF2+sXhKrVCE2FEcm2skslapRIPNhBn6seH6MoFaw9+xyqTR3ZMnel5ZPgO6lj3qDME +HzrJOsEGiJF+1ysagI4mHbP0zBv6HGWFhy1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=nL50tpAaMnPPAqRh7at8IbGL8iHGqwap/60qCsrr6f+QTHxE/KG3Km1+QDAIodFhoA 9NU5T07is/UXnFYU1M9uvB6bGzHkQ8TGDcZevWJauX1miCHljob9FzMPfeuluD8hnXA5 gX33s0CeJorIgHLmuhGAv0c5d1d2cf6NyYIOs= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:20:39 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Moebius newbie PMC-10 In-Reply-To: <008301c94cd0$94c13b90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_84450_31125265.1227414039844" References: <008301c94cd0$94c13b90$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85763 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:20:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_84450_31125265.1227414039844 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline besides jeff's input, also take into account that mobius can deal with vst midi ports, so if you hosted the plugin into some daw, make sure you selected the correct one in "MIDI devices" (i think, don't have mobius in this computer to check the exact tab) . i had similar problems while using mobius(vst)+ableton, since the last one was intercepting the MIDI streams, not reaching mobius unless checking the vst midi input in mobius. with bidule it was easier. not the case if you are using the standalone version. .02 raul. 2008/11/22 Michael Peters > I'm finally going software now ... just tried Moebius for the first time in > combination with my PMC-10 (that I used to control my EDP with). While > Matthias Grob's EDP LoopV emulation (which is still in beta) recognized the > PMC-10 and its commands immediately, Moebius didn't react - what do I have > to do to make it recognize the PMC-10? > > -MichaelP > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_84450_31125265.1227414039844 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline besides jeff's input, also take into account that mobius can deal with vst midi ports, so if you hosted the plugin into some daw, make sure you selected the correct one in "MIDI devices" (i think, don't have mobius in this computer to check the exact tab) . i had similar problems while using mobius(vst)+ableton, since the last one was intercepting the MIDI streams, not reaching mobius unless checking the vst midi input in mobius. with bidule it was easier.

not the case if you are using the standalone version.

.02
raul.
 

2008/11/22 Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>
I'm finally going software now ... just tried Moebius for the first time in
combination with my PMC-10 (that I used to control my EDP with). While
Matthias Grob's EDP LoopV emulation (which is still in beta) recognized the
PMC-10 and its commands immediately, Moebius didn't react - what do I have
to do to make it recognize the PMC-10?

-MichaelP





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------=_Part_84450_31125265.1227414039844-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 10:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88C6F3BEF0; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=e6qsVFy87JH1AJNpsTtHTm+UXZLMmHPyzeVQkD9DqUtpSRut8QXq5Wq/R+eXOgqWUk7N7ZPpFBuly6HGv3tWRDMEXgEeOD9eDavHEE4ahc7Qnrrds6MBPzrh7KIHxP6uqQuyQaXrTljX98p4X8uZYnNelQlV5TKhC+I8kEsT08o=; X-YMail-OSG: FV7eBkIVM1nOSvz3sgWQR6gHibyf0z8LtOCK_dbZLETfIYNnSx3kmA6.FIiCGWnRe9AQGDfYnIZLcTd_qwfirtG72Pk7IN6fjeIcnE_wkfE5PpfWGPW3mc6pJPk45hMhj.Xn82yYqO8x5SJBixVQgIJSi6zN0lK2Y1SDhl6ZfdNB93Kl4sYFk_BzTYVhSuYIs6Pm3n_cMfyvzuA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:23:43 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <77494.8252.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:23:46 +0000 (UTC) This script works,the only problem is that you will not see track 4 being the chosen one to be recorded into.I have also tried every script to simply go straight into record mode when you choose the "next track" function like it works on the "next loop" in the EDP, but no success yet.it is such an essential feature and i am desperately waiting on it,Jeff do we have a chance? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > From: Jeffrey Larson > Subject: Re: mobius question > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 5:58 PM > You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI messages but > what > most people do is write scripts. This is a complex > subject so it is best > to post on the Mobius Yahoo group to get recommendations. > As an example > here is a script that will select track 4 and record. > > -------------------------- > !name Record Track 4 > for 4 > Record > next > ---------------------------------- > > When you write a script you have to "register" it > in the Configuration->Scripts dialog. > Then the name after "!name" will show up in the > MIDI and key binding windows > like it was a built-in function. > > Jeff > > > > On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans wrote: > > > is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi > commands in sequence? > > i.e select track 4......then record > > > > or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi > message for each command i want? > > > > thanks > > fro > > > > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts > you to suspicious email. Sign up today. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 11:07:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 774963BEF9; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=DjQUpEAKmuBiHaX0YsjuBr6rJxS6OYBc7GAuDXsZpyQ=; b=jr5fI59kClJkTmWnXGuZou70ZRCD769OMy4NEx6hOqhF3g4JwcXgykaFJ1OpZfNt2u wW7re/gYy1/Q4EgOS4h7o383bicAUZbokVt3J8ESlQ/yAxqa9jwqJuk2HSYmE0Ip8LsE oLcK20F0N1SBWUtM5ZLjsAKc4sGUw8YJYufmQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=tbJEBDaMMZ6oyzGwM3SM6/4nI3FkJk6dAuJmonn3W6fvcYmzx+8tZtmBDSHbbEOSlF yUuDvalSFWq2QYgFscXKTyZg2fVEgAUYs1+DqtDgMiL3BS5K6jRjIIPMVTgoYHnsW4a7 5PMAe6sWPD5T+/mYyEhXss2ld6ekyjiG04qvY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811230307y2fc9328cq552daab87e535505@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:07:01 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question In-Reply-To: <77494.8252.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9E9ED73C-A410-4B1F-86D8-47FBA9864EE6@zonemobius.com> <77494.8252.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, Just put in a line there to select Track 4, and you will get what you want. I just tried it here and this works: ______________ !name Select Track 4 and Record Track 4 Wait last Record end ______________ Best regards Per On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:23 AM, L.Angulo wrote: > This script works,the only problem is that you will not see track 4 being the chosen one to be recorded into.I have also tried every script to simply go straight into record mode when you choose the "next track" function like it works on the "next loop" in the EDP, but no success yet.it is such an essential feature and i am desperately waiting on it,Jeff do we have a chance? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Jeffrey Larson wrote: > >> From: Jeffrey Larson >> Subject: Re: mobius question >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 5:58 PM >> You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI messages but >> what >> most people do is write scripts. This is a complex >> subject so it is best >> to post on the Mobius Yahoo group to get recommendations. >> As an example >> here is a script that will select track 4 and record. >> >> -------------------------- >> !name Record Track 4 >> for 4 >> Record >> next >> ---------------------------------- >> >> When you write a script you have to "register" it >> in the Configuration->Scripts dialog. >> Then the name after "!name" will show up in the >> MIDI and key binding windows >> like it was a built-in function. >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans wrote: >> >> > is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a few midi >> commands in sequence? >> > i.e select track 4......then record >> > >> > or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a midi >> message for each command i want? >> > >> > thanks >> > fro >> > >> > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts >> you to suspicious email. Sign up today. > > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 13:39:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF3303BEF9; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=JWoNBSWOmNlOn5/Pjqj/OLehlvr7H+ih7tJLrP4z/yM=; b=wP9DZMJ/f/Z3pRQONeKQD3ehrmMkv2l5N3d93GHuGqM+z9ZusgU5/WNMZZ3XsmEC4w TXPAOIuQZxFnmnuMjkUALw/Ha4S6hj9q56btuMkcxjiQXiGkhMHsdyEhZkTDA9ETf949 zYTDP1WGtSgeIYB1X8re1BC6hGQ5pxuaofcdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gXiDybEpa9TJf9nz5bcibQ4rj7bsvs0SYQCEaLVRhpkDZJ0GjvfgmqcSmXHi9UtOMW 6omYeDrswsqDfmt7uI8YdFFPqpMqSCHfdcPoQBOP+KNdbLriW/mMX7bAQGpNwqwMc00X 0J9GfkJKRVMzBrHhYHQTxnY+U0XhRF7ILHceA= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:39:55 -0500 From: "Jesse Chappell" Sender: essejlc@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: a96f85b7427886a6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 13:39:56 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi guys, > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an AU and a standalone version. See the mailing list archives and forum for info about its use in MainStage. jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 14:16:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AB263BEFA; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:16:45 EST Subject: Re: Video essay on Y2K8 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d27.1eb5c77e.365abfcd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d27.1eb5c77e.365abfcd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/22/08 3:35:55 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com writes: > Hope we can work > out an eastcoaster in 09 > nahhhh.....we should talk about it for a few more years.....:).....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. 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Hope we can work
out an eastcoaster in 09


nahhhh.....we should talk about it for a few more years.....:).....michae= l



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------=_NextPart_000_0097_01C2A9A6.76C26BA6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 15:51:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6D293BEF9; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5IRbPTHT1L41WVs++1vyzaiLgLoykMZ/fzUjcuNHG1o=; b=epC0OamC2FyCYHjgBSpv41YpJBFw3TB/CReiiuEWKpx+XZfTuCjtmYDmY52T9XxzwU e04+1EE2D3VREKZmqxlLV3iEWLMtvpBNYYnha/hMdtOCxZrZIYdaBvrY5BKUBTS1cXGA 1uuXm4JkMQB5w3qMG6vHPIe2Tkq9vGukkpmMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=gHlSIACyBmcIPb0FRBqTtmXUdtV3qf5scm0Ivwbiglvz71H235LJEPQoreD+t5D9Ds 9vJwaJSqzp4opo+8vJ3cD5Zu6poHMoyuZBKg1V4naS2DWaNyu/ohyUK5qmQO+6pVTe1r kXuMDTPr8g3xgVZdHVtwojufyG+sM370+r8J0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:51:20 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_87112_32208812.1227455480570" References: Resent-Message-ID: <8TSQgC.A.PmC.6vXKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:51:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_87112_32208812.1227455480570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei thaanks os,per & jesse! will try augustus demo and SL and see which one better addresses my needs... primarily i'm trying to build a simpler setup for playing with others (non loopers) quite different approach when going for solo looping rigs where bidule+mobius are so powerful. raul. 2008/11/23 Jesse Chappell > On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell > wrote: > > hi guys, > > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of > > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. > > Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an > AU and a standalone version. See the mailing list archives and forum > for info about its use in MainStage. > > jlc > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_87112_32208812.1227455480570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei thaanks os,per & jesse!

will try augustus demo and SL and see which one better addresses my needs... primarily i'm trying to build a simpler setup for playing with others (non loopers) quite different approach when going for  solo looping rigs where bidule+mobius are so powerful.

raul.

2008/11/23 Jesse Chappell <jesse@essej.net>
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi guys,
> just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of
> looping plugin to test it inside mainstage.

Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an
AU and a standalone version.  See the mailing list archives and forum
for info about its use in MainStage.

jlc




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------=_Part_87112_32208812.1227455480570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 16:07:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0440F3BEF7; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=GV+D2e0E9R4B3sh+vL4n0uBYTAModUpY+gv7Fyl5Fqo=; b=Fqq/nIfYlWy4KzHhQaFiasWplnhS4h8VvGCUG9cM4XLqDnw0M27DhRytzVk/h/+Zv0 PBvToTW5Q++kXSem/sPmf7xCJtPHvtcMD1vfu071UtGhHXI1j9gXxfSZEXpSUkJWEHaA rshO5QQ6h28isU3CMDXQ54Bz27q27U2tAfmg8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=FX4pvbNBmY/wSI0+6RgZKD3mT7uqd6dulg+Y5prO/1qPygh1O8LgSqubnsAKNeGNI9 u8AGzwuqOC4WHZE6RZcvBJ1453ezTdEJP3CqGIg7PfJJvH80oSzBo89AETRvUg6VjGQt 8g6F5fVgjs/DWBj9lM1ljvwmhz+G6OpvrQeLk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811230807y75bd5958o4d4649b0d9ed90ee@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:07:40 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85769 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Cool. To play with others you need a quick way of adjusting your loop/loops to a changing tempo. This can be done on two ways: - Retriggering the loops. - Deleting everything and make up a new loop on-the-fly (that goes better with what the band does at the moment) I know Mobius does both brilliantly and I think SooperLooper does too. One trick when looping with a band is to not use a lot of parallel loops but overdub many layers into the same loop. Then you are always just one butt-kick from jumping back on track (kick Record to erase and make a new better loop). Set up a pedal for instant retrigger of the loop, with that you can adjust the loop start and keep a loop a little longer even though the other guys have stretched the tempo. Augustus Loop has a punch-in function as well (check the manual). It doesn't have a Multiply function like the EDP context but you can get around changing the loop length rather smoothly if starting by setting the Sync to 1/32. This one goes up to 1/1 and that means a much longer loop than the first one you catch live by the punch-in method. Per On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > hei thaanks os,per & jesse! > will try augustus demo and SL and see which one better addresses my needs... > primarily i'm trying to build a simpler setup for playing with others (non > loopers) quite different approach when going for solo looping rigs where > bidule+mobius are so powerful. > raul. > 2008/11/23 Jesse Chappell >> >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell >> wrote: >> > hi guys, >> > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of >> > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. >> >> Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an >> AU and a standalone version. See the mailing list archives and forum >> for info about its use in MainStage. >> >> jlc From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 16:21:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78E053BEF5; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:21:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=4DfxBts418Hh1aqHoXlf5vefZojV5UAu9mGvND0Myas=; b=Z9lD7gQftfynJyM4rQ/g5UTjQxMAFDvqyHuWRlV32YFyJKgdeIIvR4iPWUldwJPbXG isaQXqRbKr9JEWgEulZJhaLrhLIo/7xJTHjxYhjHI1FZp/CSdcsIpnJFeM2BS26pKIF8 YipnWn7clj3XR6HEIDA1/nhMUkLvhITMY9kX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=s4jzlTb04yaGfC0yMLwLJkifl7jR6iKB0jxyvYVplpSCzXsWSP9QWROsUdA5tDidBg lCnSkmNPCeujOao0S+f/99pzasjErPkuToEoaLYOdQFNrmNANVuk61vHMOIlG9CPFKSE 9ahwE8/eZedBOUofvDlnehdgSi/FqLUWF1+Dc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:21:43 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811230807y75bd5958o4d4649b0d9ed90ee@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_87314_27337723.1227457303928" References: <66f9cc1e0811230807y75bd5958o4d4649b0d9ed90ee@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0gk7hD.A.IIE.ZMYKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85770 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:21:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_87314_27337723.1227457303928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline now copy/paste your instructions per... exciting moment for us loopers! ... retriggering should work (dunno 'til i test in rehearsals) for manual align when drifting and also for some sample-shot percussive elements (if done rapidly).. must try the retrigger technique more. about erasing all content, which i did with my echoplex before, just i don't like to add many overdub layers, because when you clear instantly all that material, seems to decompesate the band, above all if the other players in the band don't play polyphonic or "dense" sounding instruments. maybe it's the combination of both: retriggering during clearing slowly ... it's hard to loop with others, and i usually end doing something nearer to "realtime-sampling". time to change. thanks again my swede! raul. 2008/11/23 Per Boysen > Cool. To play with others you need a quick way of adjusting your > loop/loops to a changing tempo. This can be done on two ways: > - Retriggering the loops. > - Deleting everything and make up a new loop on-the-fly (that goes > better with what the band does at the moment) > > I know Mobius does both brilliantly and I think SooperLooper does too. > One trick when looping with a band is to not use a lot of parallel > loops but overdub many layers into the same loop. Then you are always > just one butt-kick from jumping back on track (kick Record to erase > and make a new better loop). Set up a pedal for instant retrigger of > the loop, with that you can adjust the loop start and keep a loop a > little longer even though the other guys have stretched the tempo. > > Augustus Loop has a punch-in function as well (check the manual). It > doesn't have a Multiply function like the EDP context but you can get > around changing the loop length rather smoothly if starting by setting > the Sync to 1/32. This one goes up to 1/1 and that means a much longer > loop than the first one you catch live by the punch-in method. > > Per > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Raul Bonell > wrote: > > hei thaanks os,per & jesse! > > will try augustus demo and SL and see which one better addresses my > needs... > > primarily i'm trying to build a simpler setup for playing with others > (non > > loopers) quite different approach when going for solo looping rigs where > > bidule+mobius are so powerful. > > raul. > > 2008/11/23 Jesse Chappell > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell > >> wrote: > >> > hi guys, > >> > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of > >> > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage. > >> > >> Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an > >> AU and a standalone version. See the mailing list archives and forum > >> for info about its use in MainStage. > >> > >> jlc > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_87314_27337723.1227457303928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline now copy/paste your instructions per... exciting moment for us loopers! ... 

retriggering should work (dunno 'til i test in rehearsals) for manual align when drifting and also for some sample-shot percussive elements (if done rapidly).. must try the retrigger technique more.

about erasing all content, which i did with my echoplex before, just i don't like to add many overdub layers, because when you clear instantly all that material, seems to decompesate the band, above all if the other players in the band don't play polyphonic or "dense" sounding instruments.

maybe it's the combination of both: retriggering during clearing slowly ... 

it's hard to loop with others, and i usually end doing something nearer to "realtime-sampling".

time to change.

thanks again my swede!
raul. 

2008/11/23 Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>
Cool. To play with others you need a quick way of adjusting your
loop/loops to a changing tempo. This can be done on two ways:
- Retriggering the loops.
- Deleting everything and make up a new loop on-the-fly (that goes
better with what the band does at the moment)

I know Mobius does both brilliantly and I think SooperLooper does too.
One trick when looping with a band is to not use a lot of parallel
loops but overdub many layers into the same loop. Then you are always
just one butt-kick from jumping back on track (kick Record to erase
and make a new better loop). Set up a pedal for instant retrigger of
the loop, with that you can adjust the loop start and keep a loop a
little longer even though the other guys have stretched the tempo.

Augustus Loop has a punch-in function as well (check the manual). It
doesn't have a Multiply function like the EDP context but you can get
around changing the loop length rather smoothly if starting by setting
the Sync to 1/32. This one goes up to 1/1 and that means a much longer
loop than the first one you catch live by the punch-in method.

Per


On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
> hei thaanks os,per & jesse!
> will try augustus demo and SL and see which one better addresses my needs...
> primarily i'm trying to build a simpler setup for playing with others (non
> loopers) quite different approach when going for  solo looping rigs where
> bidule+mobius are so powerful.
> raul.
> 2008/11/23 Jesse Chappell <jesse@essej.net>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > hi guys,
>> > just asking my fellow macbook loopers about any kind of
>> > looping plugin to test it inside mainstage.
>>
>> Try out SooperLooper, http://essej.net/sooperlooper , it has both an
>> AU and a standalone version.  See the mailing list archives and forum
>> for info about its use in MainStage.
>>
>> jlc




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_87314_27337723.1227457303928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 19:02:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 432033BF05; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227466949; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=jiCCQduV6BQvslSd5iKSSCcWYYY=; b=TbBndBJVQquKYqJu9G9dIo9CVMbODvo6JXZ4cP5cpUJWXH3uUes2EGr0Yxx0F2Pp gj2HBj6U+h77j0srsgNNXrtZdhBvwVnhtjmTr8I7Xrkdl01jhKYkPaOYFX7r/ybk; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=nEJoZ4RnAAAA:8 a=MP_20UxOAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=KGPpYhQHJNfWxhInIPcA:9 a=wfNcqkrUsk7yJWJFpVAA:7 a=LMMSGHDakVqo4BqrYT8arszjtWEA:4 a=hHdzMUB7D3AA:10 a=rZftM7ydEjMA:10 a=1BeEXqUnHnUA:10 a=wAQ6Jb9jwZYA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rCbS6JjwtmAA:10 a=AMDwx7RgTciwpUDLGzEA:9 a=0Rv17k-TR0BvKrSOcdIA:7 a=Kop8srW5USf8XRqCB8bkLuMvsmoA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp02.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001501c94d9e$080f6d10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: Video essay on Y2K8 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:02:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C94D74.1DBE5DD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:02:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C94D74.1DBE5DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pencil me in guys! I'm in Florida. j ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: Re: Video essay on Y2K8 In a message dated 11/22/08 3:35:55 PM, jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com = writes: Hope we can work out an eastcoaster in 09 nahhhh.....we should talk about it for a few more = years.....:).....michael "EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG".....firesign theater new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************** One site has it all. Your email accounts, your social networks, and = the things you love. Try the new AOL.com = today!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212962939x1200825291/aol?= redir=3Dhttp://www.aol.com/?optin=3Dnew-dp%26icid=3Daolcom40vanity%26ncid= =3Demlcntaolcom00000001)=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1806 - Release Date: = 11/22/2008 6:59 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C94D74.1DBE5DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C94D74.1DBE5DD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 19:47:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF8F33BF02; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=oInbW4jkJV8yNPlEJrcp89pbWiv5MNi7/tVcVPG17wA=; b=xknW8nK5ezitES0Cukdja57OO9aAL9XcyEjZTRiajpg2vSahP+BNJ95fJdoFN3Vpve jkqMcU60Flxr0ITX5scjEOWkhbyiRmvmCidldiH6Gac/lYe72UpG0TI/2MYSsytmjTkf SP5tHjIh8NAsqM/ykFdmqvXGZaeQaxhKaGgoY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BfMHS6Z85+my2Rn5f3QCCXe4ivxJBhX/S2D4muaaDT03jKOWS4lAGMLasNeieausMx C19Bziky+7fe1utbYszg/xE6TEH3eV3rjCz7skUbAMKKTKAuP+8GF6kw/+kJOPFUcLgC htOS+slHbQ0K2zVR3Llek1ThplbtPyOq7Z+BY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811231147mba3d81fj344678d3bec7de23@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:47:50 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question In-Reply-To: <874579.98122.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811230307y2fc9328cq552daab87e535505@mail.gmail.com> <874579.98122.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85772 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:47:51 +0000 (UTC) Well, just tell us EXACTLY what you want to do and it would be easy to make a script for it. ;-)) I honestly thought that was what you wanted to do, even though I didn't understand the point in why you wanted to do it. Obviously I missed out on some info.... per On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:40 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > Per! > thanx for the script man,i just tried it and although it does choose the track and records in it,when i for ex. got a loop going on the track 1 and go to track 2,it waits for the cycle(syncronize) then it starts recording but when the second one reaches the cycle it starts re-recording again over it!i tired changing things but it wont work,any ideas?? > we are almost there Per,we are almos there!! > Thanx > Luis > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Per Boysen wrote: > >> From: Per Boysen >> Subject: Re: mobius question >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 3:07 AM >> Hi Luis, >> >> Just put in a line there to select Track 4, and you will >> get what you >> want. I just tried it here and this works: >> >> ______________ >> !name Select Track 4 and Record >> >> Track 4 >> Wait last >> Record >> end >> >> ______________ >> >> >> Best regards >> >> Per >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:23 AM, L.Angulo >> wrote: >> > This script works,the only problem is that you will >> not see track 4 being the chosen one to be recorded into.I >> have also tried every script to simply go straight into >> record mode when you choose the "next track" >> function like it works on the "next loop" in the >> EDP, but no success yet.it is such an essential feature and >> i am desperately waiting on it,Jeff do we have a chance? >> > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > >> > >> > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Jeffrey Larson >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Jeffrey Larson >> >> Subject: Re: mobius question >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 5:58 PM >> >> You can program the FCB to send multiple MIDI >> messages but >> >> what >> >> most people do is write scripts. This is a >> complex >> >> subject so it is best >> >> to post on the Mobius Yahoo group to get >> recommendations. >> >> As an example >> >> here is a script that will select track 4 and >> record. >> >> >> >> -------------------------- >> >> !name Record Track 4 >> >> for 4 >> >> Record >> >> next >> >> ---------------------------------- >> >> >> >> When you write a script you have to >> "register" it >> >> in the Configuration->Scripts dialog. >> >> Then the name after "!name" will show up >> in the >> >> MIDI and key binding windows >> >> like it was a built-in function. >> >> >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans wrote: >> >> >> >> > is there a way inside of mobius to trigger a >> few midi >> >> commands in sequence? >> >> > i.e select track 4......then record >> >> > >> >> > or do i have to program my fcb1010 to send a >> midi >> >> message for each command i want? >> >> > >> >> > thanks >> >> > fro >> >> > >> >> > Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail >> alerts >> >> you to suspicious email. Sign up today. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 20:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40523BF0B; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Q205v9BuH8WkHVhYf8GkVsyvmUkz8w9CKI9S7qqrSh1124sK2/aj6WqxHcW1dYvZPJpS2MSVh/m7fo7NkhRyDUNvM09NDps4JIRi4l60+2gA3BMnTZnCPkh9e9rW8bYjcdBDEy3EvCuagpCMVCY9tqi6ACLWZ31Sw2mqnmL0Sx4=; X-YMail-OSG: BpxdfRcVM1lNvBvbY24gLlrA5.kRkzZyijkiCeTQch5BUSZbnNaOJar4UlpmYquqJTgW6yXn1Ps.atg.xVwAWkg11nDDjraX3wPVYKTkl6roLK4LuCUhxHjbygYIrVh7OT7u79n5hZfCqNbXeoryyZDprLA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811231147mba3d81fj344678d3bec7de23@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <391901.39854.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:40:38 +0000 (UTC) ok,lets make thing easier first man sorry for not describing it clear enough, so lets forget the "next track" for now. I just want to assign track 1,track 2,track 3,and track 4 in my FCB1010,piece of cake no problem.But what i really want is when i push the track 1 button i want to start recording and end recording with a second press just as if it was the record button.Now i want to be able to do exactly the same things in all other tracks.The old script that Jeff sent me !name Record 1 for 1 Record next works indeed but when i write the same script for track 2 !name Record 2 for 2 Record next It does record in track 2 as well but then the white border around the track is not shown which throws me off! so if we get that working ill be happy for now.I actually wanted to do it more economically,just with the next track function but the problem was that with the script u sent me, if i wanted to end recording with a second press i would start re-recording over that same track again and again, in other words,it would record,it would choose the track,it would show the white border,but i could not end recording on the tracks with a second button press,u know what i mean? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Per Boysen wrote: > From: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: mobius question > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 11:47 AM > Well, just tell us EXACTLY what you want to do and it would > be easy to > make a script for it. ;-)) > I honestly thought that was what you wanted to do, even > though I > didn't understand the point in why you wanted to do it. > Obviously I > missed out on some info.... > > per > > > > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 8:40 PM, L.Angulo > wrote: > > Per! > > thanx for the script man,i just tried it and although > it does choose the track and records in it,when i for ex. > got a loop going on the track 1 and go to track 2,it waits > for the cycle(syncronize) then it starts recording but when > the second one reaches the cycle it starts re-recording > again over it!i tired changing things but it wont work,any > ideas?? > > we are almost there Per,we are almos there!! > > Thanx > > Luis > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Per Boysen > wrote: > > > >> From: Per Boysen > >> Subject: Re: mobius question > >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 3:07 AM > >> Hi Luis, > >> > >> Just put in a line there to select Track 4, and > you will > >> get what you > >> want. I just tried it here and this works: > >> > >> ______________ > >> !name Select Track 4 and Record > >> > >> Track 4 > >> Wait last > >> Record > >> end > >> > >> ______________ > >> > >> > >> Best regards > >> > >> Per > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:23 AM, L.Angulo > >> wrote: > >> > This script works,the only problem is that > you will > >> not see track 4 being the chosen one to be > recorded into.I > >> have also tried every script to simply go straight > into > >> record mode when you choose the "next > track" > >> function like it works on the "next > loop" in the > >> EDP, but no success yet.it is such an essential > feature and > >> i am desperately waiting on it,Jeff do we have a > chance? > >> > > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > > >> > > >> > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Jeffrey Larson > >> wrote: > >> > > >> >> From: Jeffrey Larson > > >> >> Subject: Re: mobius question > >> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > >> >> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 5:58 PM > >> >> You can program the FCB to send multiple > MIDI > >> messages but > >> >> what > >> >> most people do is write scripts. This > is a > >> complex > >> >> subject so it is best > >> >> to post on the Mobius Yahoo group to get > >> recommendations. > >> >> As an example > >> >> here is a script that will select track 4 > and > >> record. > >> >> > >> >> -------------------------- > >> >> !name Record Track 4 > >> >> for 4 > >> >> Record > >> >> next > >> >> ---------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> When you write a script you have to > >> "register" it > >> >> in the Configuration->Scripts dialog. > >> >> Then the name after "!name" > will show up > >> in the > >> >> MIDI and key binding windows > >> >> like it was a built-in function. > >> >> > >> >> Jeff > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J Johans > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > is there a way inside of mobius to > trigger a > >> few midi > >> >> commands in sequence? > >> >> > i.e select track 4......then record > >> >> > > >> >> > or do i have to program my fcb1010 > to send a > >> midi > >> >> message for each command i want? > >> >> > > >> >> > thanks > >> >> > fro > >> >> > > >> >> > Color coding for safety: Windows > Live Hotmail > >> alerts > >> >> you to suspicious email. Sign up today. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Greetings from Sweden > >> > >> Per Boysen > >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) > >> www.looproom.com (international) > >> www.myspace.com/perboysen > >> www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 20:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB37D3BF0A; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4CCD8D5A-58A5-4926-9921-AE59902B0BEF@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Loopalicious gig in London on Monday night :) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:44:45 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9IqIyB.A.WkG.ADcKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:44:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've got the launch gig for the Lawson/Dodds/Wood album at the Vortex in Stoke Newington on Monday night (could be tomorrow, or perhaps today, depending on when you read this). If you want to hear the album, you can head over to http://www.stevelawson.net/ldw - there's a player embedded there where you stream the whole album. Though the gig won't actually feature any of those tunes as it's an improv gig. The album was improvised then 'tweaked' too. Full story via the youtube link below (6 part series on the making of the album on there). Anyway, the venue website is http://www.vortexjazz.co.uk - would be lovely to see some of you London loopy-types there, should you be at a loose end and wanting to check out some Looperlative abuse on a probably cold and wet Monday evening. cheers! Steve Where to find me on the web - _______________________ ********************************* *** www.stevelawson.net - shiny new site *** www.stevelawson.net/blog - blog *** www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson *** www.reverbnation.com/stevelawson *** www.twitter.com/solobasssteve *** http://www.youtube.com/user/StevieSteve46 - loads of new video here! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 22:29:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6B7A3BEA0; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vfC5jLo0E20hWm3hRAUvQAbd3KInd8PSfjlBFyB+Pls=; b=LHSAjYj48LE/CW0OOhBTLMOABToMeX8b3eQGdBb2HqedjRGD2tY1k/CxKlVqg8/Xi1 9MKFL+4RAEvwJhfohgn8KkceHRBQh6mCRa2aNzc38+lQeQUt+3UQ9k+7uWY0dtZs6bps 6OtMFxYzqFSZ4//Tc3GmDWkpo4eR57xiivvhQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=SqKP1BJ/4izUWQfYtBszeoJs3nTSbmEsR9DZ+R8guLg5zkJa8+Gok9DdZ6ZjWqSAuZ BvNcJhCQN/lbrDJVKunEVDc/W4tkA+KdBEYZ903ct/CJLEIIVV/d1DMvVoJGnLFK6fuM NxfPNyP9X4f3aQkQC7rj7lSGYOdkJuTB6h87s= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811231429r5b5a1ab3s9622dcdb39462e99@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:29:34 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius question In-Reply-To: <391901.39854.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811231147mba3d81fj344678d3bec7de23@mail.gmail.com> <391901.39854.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2saWu.A.gOG.OldKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:29:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 9:40 PM, L.Angulo wrote: > ok,lets make thing easier first man sorry for not describing it clear enough, so lets forget the "next track" for now. > I just want to assign track 1,track 2,track 3,and track 4 in my FCB1010,piece of cake no problem.But what i really want is when i push the track 1 button i want to start recording and end recording with a second press just as if it was the record button.Now i want to be able to do exactly the same things in all other tracks.The old script that Jeff sent me > !name Record 1 > for 1 > Record > next > works indeed but when i write the same script for track 2 > > !name Record 2 > for 2 > Record > next > > It does record in track 2 as well but then the white border around the track is not shown which throws me off! Ahh..... I see! You also want to select the track, not just Record to it! > so if we get that working ill be happy for now.I actually wanted to do it more economically,just with the > next track function but the problem was that with the script u sent me, if i wanted to end recording with a second > press i would start re-recording over that same track again and again, in other words,it would record,it > would choose the track,it would show the white border,but i could not end recording on the tracks with a > second button press,u know what i mean? Yes, I know what you mean. You have to end Record mode by a simple Record (or Overdub, Multiply, Reverse or whatever you're up to next). If you want to use the same script to end record mode by Record we have to use an "if" line and set up two alternatives in the script: ______________ !name Select Track 4 and Record if mode=record Record else Track 4 Wait last Record endif ______________ With this script you kick pedal 4 and track 4 is selected and the recording starts. Then you kick pedal 4 a second time to stop recording and close the loop.... or you kick Overdub, Reverse or any other ending you may prefer. The only problem, that I don't understand how you will deal with, is that if you have 8 tracks you almost fill up one bank on the FCB with eight track unique Record pedals - and you have no fast access to alternative endings of Record mode (Reverse, Overdub, Multiply, Speed etc etc). You could save up a lot of foot pedals buy using a script to "go next track and record if nothing is already looping there". You could even broaden such a script to go into Overdub (or any other) mode if the next track already has a loop spinning. Like this example: ______________ !name Next Track And Record if mode=record Record else NextTrack Wait last Record endif ______________ With this script on a foot button you can just step ahead and fill up as many tracks as you need with the first one-round loop. The you make room on the FCB pedal for an Undo button, Overdub and everything else you may need. Just an idea, you chose whatever you need for your specific music. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 23 22:31:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 368CC3BEA9; Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=BtRIxpjwQoa/0HvOMm9z/e9fgFI8t+7qVSDAJrMz3reIYBMN8jsWyXLSClJogXMDymGhkoQGoINredlKj7L5K39nW1ZTAY0GOa0VfLzVS9/ZPn7sVlvCt8YnWVC1CVtFNcvHehnBgdgjiV1hMOkHs5PR4BQY643GYu97u5Hjm5U=; X-YMail-OSG: xXPv2e4VM1nDe506Z4so7aiic1hXux3opZU3S2tK68Ql4bXDSBeITWMmvbRXiHyaoa01ORpJAnf6ziyCpTHo2AX9VzkAkfRqR3DPkOUfkejD25.APCtEHixJp7eQ6sSy4h3uFMLpzDPhq77qZScFM_RuaQX6kEVy2lk6Cz1fZW8AUEXCfL1MI0qCf2FF X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:31:52 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: looper i stumbled across on youtube-ian smit To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081123204039.7638F3BF11@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1659881132-1227479512=:40200" Message-ID: <777670.40200.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:31:54 +0000 (UTC) --0-1659881132-1227479512=:40200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com/user/racketlauncher =A0 was watching youtube vids a few days ago, and this one popped up. some interesting uses of looping w/ an EDP, some nice sounds and some gnarl= y sounds also, as well as great use of effects, and nice klein electric gui= tar..... wasn't sure if anyone posted this before or not. happy looping. s---=0A=0A=0A --0-1659881132-1227479512=:40200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
 
was watching youtube vids a few days ago, and this one popped up.
some interesting uses of looping w/ an EDP, some nice sounds and some gnarly sounds also, as well as great use of effects, and nice klein electric guitar.....
wasn't sure if anyone posted this before or not.
happy looping.
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Copyright © 2006-2007 eBay, In From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 06:12:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEA533BE8C; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: That One Guy Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:12:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C94DC9.4EEF4A40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <001501c94d9e$080f6d10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Thread-Index: AclNngpQmDkI5sqOQPGT7QIEowX+twAW4mOw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Message-Id: <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:12:19 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C94DC9.4EEF4A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Forgive me if this act is old news to this list. I saw That One Guy a couple weeks ago, utilizing very interesting custom instruments with various triggers and loop switches on them. He rocked the house. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EhMtD_09k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIR4ZchrHO4 &feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJRtSJiNHQ &feature=related dave ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C94DC9.4EEF4A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Forgive me if this act is old = news to this list.  I saw That One Guy a couple weeks ago, utilizing very = interesting custom instruments with various triggers and loop switches on = them.  He rocked the house. 

 

http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3Dt2EhMtD_09k

 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DgIR4ZchrHO4&feature=3Drelated=

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DRQJRtSJiNHQ&feature=3Drelated=

 

 

 

 

 

dave

 

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C94DC9.4EEF4A40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 08:32:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE09E3BE91; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UMYg7f1OUlTk6DMWmFhv+iF9CObDdCGK5SJF5oHev0k=; b=wEuSxkwIol3EotNvQ478n59rK9WK1jW7lPYUqnC8bxhcK/vkZgfjfuoSONY4mJ8q7M HFBEQFGvVFrZHbfPXcVRu+9m72KVvG+Uy9nazylaBQRmCpZDHpCqLJwDs3ZqPoPgXJgq ssCo8Hlsb9d3Z4Zi/iXWeHp0Wb6GqFyFOT5YE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=G188nGMBg0e/Sw6T+1BRX7Urw54FC9QC4NgPC/Zn6Flbsxrba7xTl/nQuw9sBeZSFd 1OGZKJT5C+esKouoz7fwMXha95qrG02ikT2lklICwaYfzyEs4RRWy3da7kqWXpVAEExV l1aZxWizYVkJE+x8DVhPE/VTuE36k11WTlusM= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:32:23 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That One Guy In-Reply-To: <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c94d9e$080f6d10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:32:25 +0000 (UTC) What is that thing he's playing with a bow? It looks like a sign post. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > Forgive me if this act is old news to this list. I saw That One Guy a > couple weeks ago, utilizing very interesting custom instruments with various > triggers and loop switches on them. He rocked the house. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EhMtD_09k > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIR4ZchrHO4&feature=related > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJRtSJiNHQ&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > > > dave > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 09:37:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120533BE95; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=U+GV4hSK5w6yTHgHq/js524DuwaWzMS8xTK0zTU6NaA=; b=K6V3s2hL4/fqIeIggL5rViCYTX3WHgfrco1Uiv7wbYT2OroE0UJTI7diIDA2qBaTSN tW+3DtuVwnMYtkWReX73yZvEBULcIeOE7Y+bt5I1sI2d57ZvJ6V4hu2K+iO78JCWIQ7d KgN5/QYggZEKSgq5cT9IyUDemZ4ueZAded8qQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mKBNCQqJq8YW63NetmBPEoH3z6i8kV/+CZvwU8P/G5uzK36LOuGQpUlD68t/k4D+9a lHnfo6JdGk0PvaULcaavvk7MnAD+0iHIzcWOU1LnomC8TFSVzvj8AXjbgP6rIf0GhIiL jnHh9eHPUPNcxw5d0ArYxttvawSYG6sgsbLu8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:37:01 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: BIG CONGRATS TO MICHAEL BEARPARK AND CO. In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60811221037p21a51997xcb53348ae04f06f7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c94c88$e6d016b0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <9e0440a60811221037p21a51997xcb53348ae04f06f7@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 465af6db1c89ca6d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:37:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, related to this, Mike and I were interviewed yesterday for a podcast: http://weheartmusic.vox.com/library/post/whm034-gladshot-darkroom-and-good-night-states.html (from 18:15 in the embedded player) Thinking about it, I'm not sure we used the word 'looping' once in the whole thing! cheers, os. 2008/11/22 Jim Goodin : > Michael B excellent congradulations and I'll go look for it, if i get it > today I'll scan and post... > > On 11/22/08, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: >> >> Which month issue are we talking about here? >> >> I no longer get the magazine, but would consider going to the local music >> store to pick one up if I knew which one it was. >> >> Who (or what) is on the cover? >> >> On Nov 22, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Michael Bearpark wrote: >> >>> Yes please.... I haven't seen it yet! >>> Only just finished reading about Nick McCabe in the Holiday 2008 issue >>> here in the UK... >>> A huge thank-you to Anil Prasad and Barry Cleveland for making it happen. >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> On 22 Nov 2008, at 09:58, Michael Peters wrote: >>> >>>> > new GP.....fantastic article on michael, os and bernhard >>>> > wagner.....wow!!!!!.....michael >>>> >>>> >>>> maybe ... if someone could scan and post it ... >>>> >>>> -michael p >>> >> > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 10:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 573E23BE91; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=f+WTwEL2EW+qa8kYZ0Zu6cHyB9y/pCOFkmMddPyuams=; b=L/7XK8SoFqMBCWTX8KC8AtI2SfoGKdaPLhIjAV2CT+gmuWPwyXJGM6Z9qHg2mvJrDC nUEWR7Dj/ZlhWZPdqwBx56n9B4KOpr/HdfQKA5RBV7zyOrJWGvMYPoE9GeHScVJLIh2D F4xgMW9no0NUt6Eoc1tUD1b+J1ao6NEbKYEOc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Az1Y4CTKTc2ygidwl/F1PQHHBN0rab1Ug90ytQ28ZJLwnlG4iD5EDZmC8Wq57K7AOO HRYVW/M9KB5R2n678UJ+PqUXIVg1U54WtijREbbxki0pWckCndM5U10o1xcnAzL/iF11 BgVuwhv5OYVzOHFUsjU7QwdCUcK0vpwzHJrEc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811240218i2a539f11i9c74f844864b966@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:18:01 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That One Guy In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c94d9e$080f6d10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3fbkQB.A.ysD.a9nKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:18:02 +0000 (UTC) On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > What is that thing he's playing with a bow? It looks like a sign post. Think it must be a chimney.... with a string attached. saw smoke coming out the top of it in one video... Did you see his "Music Video"? I liked that one (more voice). It was fun reading some comments too. :-) p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 11:14:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 735DC3BE97; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2200 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:14:30 UTC Message-ID: From: "Jim Atwood" To: Subject: What's the Max you would pay for a Lexicon Jamman? Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:37:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07BA_01C94DDD.A41FD2F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:14:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07BA_01C94DDD.A41FD2F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I am interested in buying a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 second upgrade, = pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay periodically and they obviously = range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like to ask those with = experience what the going rate for one of these would be on the high = end. The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is this high? Or Low? About = right? The reason I ask is that there are other loopers availalble and am not = sure whether picking up a Jamman for 600-700 bucks is good or just = getting something like the Echoplex or Looperlative if I'm going to pay = that much or more. My absolute must requirement is that it syncs with Midi. I use = keyboards, sequencers, and drum machines and will need this = functionality. There are many other great loopers out there, but some of = these have no midi functions or are terrible at midi synch. I have heard = that the Gibson Echoplex and Lexicon Jamman are excellent at this. Any thoughts about what you would pay for one of these would be greatly = appreciated. ( I understand some may say whatever it's worth to you, but = I'd like to know the general consensus. ) Thank you! Jim ------=_NextPart_000_07BA_01C94DDD.A41FD2F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

I am interested in buying a = Lexicon Jamman=20 with the 32 second upgrade, pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay = periodically=20 and they obviously range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like = to ask=20 those with experience what the going rate for one of these would be on = the high=20 end. The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is this high? Or Low? About=20 right?

The reason I ask is that there are other loopers = availalble and am=20 not sure whether picking up a Jamman for 600-700 bucks is good or just = getting=20 something like the Echoplex or Looperlative if I'm going to pay that = much or=20 more.

My absolute must requirement is that it syncs with = Midi. I=20 use keyboards, sequencers, and drum machines and will need this = functionality.=20 There are many other great loopers out there, but some of these have no = midi=20 functions or are terrible at midi synch. I have heard that the Gibson = Echoplex=20 and Lexicon Jamman are excellent at this.

Any thoughts about what = you=20 would pay for one of these would be greatly appreciated. ( I understand = some may=20 say whatever it's worth to you, but I'd like to know the general = consensus. )=20 Thank you!

Jim
 
------=_NextPart_000_07BA_01C94DDD.A41FD2F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 11:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 600B33BEA9; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=p1pGdbQI6iHr6g0kqLGsrelDZD88+tSEcaOxsnIC/3M=; b=GvwS7K86W5ViK2z/YNyWxTKxeRKinwLoYouaKcKVp17A3lYC+vW+Zi8lzz5gBKtF4A fhGmMQhTfxrvz5K3Gqi9VH6JUIDo+jby6uEo0ggC8XHPOtpIZn5Ftcn3kFurUrr1n6GY 3dnymaPyPBrCRGJXF7IUEDgRqOn9smwLtqLkM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AE6fQHjqJeA6tai0Emy4/9fb+hdaCn5qF9fMtWYiJcXfpJhrGzKRCyFuA/XoLB7nE9 NDkuGb7KW0ZfHUaEh1dmWlHFgBAflubL+FlA/ChZE/YEqPPhEqHlxv3DWFhOTfE1Gds1 nf2bHb96BImL60dyx0NwLizFI1UMgZjdkZnJ0= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811240334r17f1396ak15043eadc072c153@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:34:38 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That One Guy In-Reply-To: <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001501c94d9e$080f6d10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <20081124061219.847B63BE89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:34:40 +0000 (UTC) I saw him a couple times when I lived in LA. Absolutely amazing live shows. Especially from a classical bass players perspective! Not only to create a cool instrument but to have mastered it as well. I have enough trouble playing my double bass with great rhythm, intonation and musicality. I couldn't imagine having designed it first:) Also the name of his album he was selling at gis shows back then was called , Songs in the Key of Beotch:) Todd On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 1:12 AM, Dave Gallaher wrote: > Forgive me if this act is old news to this list. I saw That One Guy a > couple weeks ago, utilizing very interesting custom instruments with various > triggers and loop switches on them. He rocked the house. > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EhMtD_09k > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIR4ZchrHO4&feature=related > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJRtSJiNHQ&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > > > dave > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 11:36:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57DC53BEAE; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 107641799/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.159.93/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.159.93 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIAAIMgKklPTp9d/2dsb2JhbAAI0AiCfINS X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,658,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="107641799" Message-ID: <492A92AA.5090207@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:40:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's the Max you would pay for a Lexicon Jamman? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <3hA1fC.A.4MG.QHpKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:36:48 +0000 (UTC) hi Jim, A year or so ago going rate for a Lex JamMan in Uk was $B!r(B150, which in US was around 300 Dollars, there are quite rare though. why not check out prices here:- http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Lexicon/JamMan/10/1 The JamMan syncs fine to incoming midi, but won't follow tempo changes (although it still retriggers). JamMan sound quality is excellent, as long as you don't mind some slight high frequency roll-off. andy butler Jim Atwood wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in buying a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 second upgrade, > pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay periodically and they obviously > range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like to ask those with > experience what the going rate for one of these would be on the high > end. The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is this high? Or Low? About > right? > > The reason I ask is that there are other loopers availalble and am not > sure whether picking up a Jamman for 600-700 bucks is good or just > getting something like the Echoplex or Looperlative if I'm going to pay > that much or more. > > My absolute _must_ requirement is that it syncs with Midi. I use > keyboards, sequencers, and drum machines and will need this > functionality. There are many other great loopers out there, but some of > these have no midi functions or are terrible at midi synch. I have heard > that the Gibson Echoplex and Lexicon Jamman are excellent at this. > > Any thoughts about what you would pay for one of these would be greatly > appreciated. ( I understand some may say whatever it's worth to you, but > I'd like to know the general consensus. ) Thank you! > > Jim > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 12:22:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3B83BEA9; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:41 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:What's the Max you would pay for a Lexicon Jamman? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: hel; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 12:22:44 +0000 (UTC) > Jum Atwood wrote: > The reason I ask is that there are other loopers availalble and am not = sure > whether picking up a Jamman for 600-700 bucks is good or just getting > something like the Echoplex or Looperlative if I'm going to pay that mu= ch > or more. Hi Jim, saw your email about the Jamman. I never used one so I can't comm= ent on it but in case you're going for the Looperlative, midi sync works = excellent, both in master or slave mode. In slave mode, it tries to catch= up with the incoming midi clock even if it's changing. In master mode, i= t automaticly calculates the midi clock depending on the beats per measur= e settings. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 15:16:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A6AB3BEB9; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vvvegiEEbDby4sZeNynXstPBSm6xbrECYXVqD14H/qs=; b=bus8ITQk9eJj/BIFBj7vyS+C9w53LkwgMNgrhSXQInJzVDEG1kU46gCz9M/kMdsyXp MLBufz16fAsUSgd8/0Ki34ea1nDtN9vo7N0JvGESXjv+O90LJav1KMBtMXGKzKspQKdO irg8xIp9Agcl0kchyoz1GLpV/QE3r4T72QIsM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=eHPDmJvgoHNNoA/UDCb0relYl/C9D5qBDhnWZeJvPbs/jFp4A/Hz0YWrC106RkloUc W/QOw0pT6wBjwTtILCs1QnHYNOTiZegHZp7nrfbAVAtAzbVivR9BbGuXlDaEzqle3cDQ 26bdvPf0szbK/PbNrpExAKVrvRG0qzTe6Slno= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 07:16:49 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What's the Max you would pay for a Lexicon Jamman? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_98218_6470200.1227539809478" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:16:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_98218_6470200.1227539809478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline $200-250. TH On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jim Atwood wrote: > Hello, > > I am interested in buying a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 second upgrade, > pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay periodically and they obviously > range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like to ask those with > experience what the going rate for one of these would be on the high end. > The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is this high? Or Low? About right? > > ------=_Part_98218_6470200.1227539809478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline $200-250.

TH

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Jim Atwood <ricoche@axel.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
Hello,

I am interested in buying a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 second upgrade, pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay periodically and they obviously range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like to ask those with experience what the going rate for one of these would be on the high end. The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is this high? Or Low? About right?


------=_Part_98218_6470200.1227539809478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 17:16:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58F113BE90; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:16:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: That One Guy Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:16:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811240218i2a539f11i9c74f844864b966@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclOHe++fKqIuAjBQB2vnhTCfAkxAQAOaZYg Message-Id: <20081124171655.D9FA63BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:16:56 +0000 (UTC) In person it looks like tubular robotic extensions of some kind, though they don't move automatically. I couldn't tell if they were polished stainless steel, titanium or whatever. He has one sting on each, and triggers at various places along with two or three kick drum pedals and other switches on the floor--in the one video he plays a cowboy boot that outputs through a 1/4-inch plug just over the heel. The triggers seem to have a variety of sounds they can activate; he makes quick programming changes between songs. He didn't use the smoke when I saw him. According to his website, he tours internationally--I recommend the show if you get a chance. dave On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > What is that thing he's playing with a bow? It looks like a sign post. Think it must be a chimney.... with a string attached. saw smoke coming out the top of it in one video... Did you see his "Music Video"? I liked that one (more voice). It was fun reading some comments too. :-) p ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 19:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6D63BE8C; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=y1tnKaAnWFmEOVSo0MYpNnLqBq5RunxELAe3Co9NJZdRsnAf53mi5k0vJgmoNZc4WxHTSJt+P8Foo53+tpgJQIvc9pG7VoeSeqSWsI+JfsIcciWK82gSWj2uAzcvaVQf; Message-ID: <20081124132246.rxlza4lds0c8wscg@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:22:46 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RC-50 sub output vs. phones output volume References: <9ea2f30b0811210623n31ef6f30na356c5dc7d58a6e4@mail.gmail.com> <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <65918C25-A2A8-4E9C-A69B-D24321C19593@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Great advice here. I've owned an RC-50 for a couple of years and haven't really dug into everything. I didn't even know about the support docs (other than the owner's manual). I downloaded all the support docs. I often fall behind on email and the LD community generates a lot of email. Well, I hang in there because there is lots of great info on this list. -- Kevin Quoting Teddy Kumpel : > answers... > > 1) use the sub out as your "main" out and vice versa. You will be much > happier when using headphones because the headphones only monitor > what's coming out of Main. This will save you having to use an external > headphone amp... > > also, the support docs are VERY good.... > http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.aspx?dsection=d_support&ObjectId=772 > > Teddy > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 19:25:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C9193BE8D; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:25:01 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=xNzdGG5RZcaj0rM1MhGbCjNesV8DqTP4D6J6aAD8Q3iibvWcO1OPmCCA9QkNXkG/QOtEKC82X/i3RQrgkaHUSR7PgWvxy2j2iqnjjFDNsE2WjRvQZOyaAXhzsAYg82LW; Message-ID: <20081124131818.41hhfia5wcc4sgoo@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 13:18:18 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {1031:box76.bluehost.com:cpanelhorde:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:25:01 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Os : > > well, there's Augustus Loop: > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/augustusloop.html > After reading your comment, I downloaded the PC version of Augustus Loop. I liked it so much that I went ahead and paid for a license. I am running it as a VST with Cubase SX3 and I really like it. Thanks for mentioning this software. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 19:26:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25CF33BE98; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=WtCRU6AoNwjW2KhPg8tiEULgeXpiXlJscHqaMqN81FM=; b=BLpwnV3ITZHukRlimoLXWsCV08gbj+txUeu5iZ5AcA0pa4YcUHMUPVZnru01aV5BA/ Lhr7L//BrF1Qc4RV7LYxx293JBzUYNSxG+qgJn30iIjboPE6+Ki/ZWoyPwpeHz9Knu8C FjeicMOjSrxBCCG8bZU709F/Wnkhbehs4T83A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=UGzjG3axqo4axXuWu44PrcW+vLDEQDjrj1ux1B6TcEPdemtUBBUhpULSeSez1UBI3/ WFTHKxSH+29gUXl3+klk25Q1jJe7WfdtaNrfhLdNWT3qjDg1mtwnXwCXRIbuTclPDkQV yzF3kFvNF6M7BxdePY4D6/UbxsLTUpLMwU9R8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:26:42 +0000 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cheap looping AU plugin In-Reply-To: <20081124131818.41hhfia5wcc4sgoo@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081124131818.41hhfia5wcc4sgoo@mail.kevinkissinger.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7e17e15f6e1749ae Resent-Message-ID: <4uE4GC.A.uaF.z_vKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:26:43 +0000 (UTC) you're welcome! rest assured I will mention it again. and again... :) cheers, os. 2008/11/24 : > Quoting Os : >> >> well, there's Augustus Loop: >> http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/augustusloop.html >> > After reading your comment, I downloaded the PC version of Augustus Loop. I > liked it so much that I went ahead and paid for a license. > > I am running it as a VST with Cubase SX3 and I really like it. > > Thanks for mentioning this software. > > -- Kevin > > -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.darkroomtheband.net/ http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 19:34:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13E343BE95; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:34:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: tyler newman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081124113648.BC23A3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: What's the Max you would pay for a Lexicon Jamman? Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:27:59 -0800 References: <20081124113648.BC23A3BEC0@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:34:22 +0000 (UTC) hi- > I am interested in buying a Lexicon Jamman with the 32 second > upgrade, pedals, etc. I see these listed on Ebay periodically and > they obviously range from very used condition to excellent. I'd like > to ask those with experience what the going rate for one of these > would be on the high end. The other day I saw one sell for $630. Is > this high? Or Low? About right? i just sold mine on ebay for less than 300$, with the 32sec upgrade and in excellent shape. if someone made 630$, i'm very envious. 300$ seems to be around the right price, from my survey of recently completed items. they also seem to be fairly common on ebay, so if one's priced too high, just wait a little while. another will turn up... - tyler / battery cage - www.batterycage.com From conto@cartasi.it Mon Nov 24 19:49:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 13042 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:49:11 UTC Received: from illithid.aug.com (illithid.aug.com [8.17.144.8]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7371B3BE88; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (h-67-102-51-5.mclnva23.covad.net [67.102.51.5]) by illithid.aug.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCCF11C743; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:11:16 -0500 (EST) Reply-To: From: "CartaSi S.p.A" Subject: Pubblicazione estratto conto on-line Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20081124161116.DCCF11C743@illithid.aug.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Pubblicazione estratto conto on-line

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Acceda al Portale Titolari "https://titolari.cartasi.it/" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 21:57:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83FBA3BE94; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject :date:x-mailer; bh=i7RLHIxAWgJFvqw9SiaGltEMSl0A0cPwQSuomsFJfog=; b=hVqitWBhernrhBjOeBR9oyt+WiDdBAHyIowUuViuAE0GCGGW00CeArZFYdSWmey8gH VKVzvBjpuUpd+uhMMpHmrb1x9eQ4p95ndX+osujJqc4xDKk34trG9xopYo6XhD2pC7fG Vd5ORBf3OwWWo1q50DyEAncq7ohaBLKSi8+Yw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to :from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=nZfKfC/7+JlpuKCbRl6QqpgvYIZDVwkLShbKx/EyhyPhnJPwC50AcF5KV8QSJNQuGp L0/vcSHmnDa/Dx8FYX0ev9WWkbP+Yl1mAdKopWCfsuN80NPl1GT87vljMu1dET1tzDgS s4ONBxQYQWtZhXcqwe+IIjuKW6GpmN6aKd3+E= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <642D5B4A-A046-4E32-BB51-BAF0144E8601@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: topu lyo Subject: echoplex questions Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:51:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:57:43 +0000 (UTC) hey i have a basic questions about the EDP if anyone could help i'd greatly appreciate it. sometimes when i hit overdub i my screen says C-1 and if i hit it again it says C-2 C-3 etc. can anyone tell me what this function is? i'm pretty familiar with my EDP but have yet to use this function. any advice would be greatly appreciated it!! happy looping everyone -topu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 22:16:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07D6A3BE94; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <642D5B4A-A046-4E32-BB51-BAF0144E8601@gmail.com> References: <642D5B4A-A046-4E32-BB51-BAF0144E8601@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:06:09 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) At 4:51 PM -0500 11/24/08, topu lyo wrote: >sometimes when i hit overdub i my screen says C-1 and if >i hit it again it says C-2 C-3 etc. can anyone tell me what >this function is? i'm pretty familiar with my EDP but have yet >to use this function. That's been happening to me lately, too, and I am not sure what I'm doing to enter that state nor how to get out of it! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 22:26:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9547D3BE97; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=fUliM9p7HZS8UfRkkviETLtea8/hm0unC9PNwtp7UDoRhDeT1jGBchoRccmcCVlW; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <15961420.1227565569678.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:26:09 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: That One Guy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd488ff514d718360e4e2a9b2a83294dbaf5a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:26:10 +0000 (UTC) that 1 guy is a friend o' mine. being the roadie for MERMEN i got to know Mike well when he joined the band in the 90s as bass player and pipe soloist. he was one of the early users of edp and has some very un usual thoughts on the creative process. we went to the >MINUTEMEN< mike watt movie that came out a while ago about that great band from Pedro... rip D BOON. one of my many memories was heftin'& schleppin(roadie terms) his two COMMUNITY double 18s that he toured w/. thankfully he now pluggs into the p.a. great guy-looper-artist s -----Original Message----- >From: Dave Gallaher >Sent: Nov 24, 2008 1:12 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: That One Guy > >Forgive me if this act is old news to this list. I saw That One Guy a >couple weeks ago, utilizing very interesting custom instruments with various >triggers and loop switches on them. He rocked the house. > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2EhMtD_09k > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIR4ZchrHO4 > >&feature=related > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQJRtSJiNHQ > >&feature=related > > > > > > > > > > > >dave > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 22:34:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDDB73BE95; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: echoplex questions Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:34:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclOglemeSz4u3LgQe+p0h+OEstZEAAALXdg Message-Id: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0DUHpB.A.X2F.IwyKJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Are you guys using EDP foot controllers or midi? I have no experience with midi, so ignore this advice if that's your method. On the EDP controller, I sometimes get the same result; the loop will keep playing, but I can't overdub and cycle numbers appear with each additional push of Overdub. When this happens, I do one of two things: 1} finish playing the piece that is using the loop, end by hitting Record, then hit Undo. Normally, this will return to regular operation, but not every time. If it fails, then 2) reboot the EDP. This will restore it to normal record/overdub operation in my experience. I have not used the function that gives C-1 etc, but it seems to be counting cycles when in this mode. Hopefully someone on the list with more experience with deeper EDP ops can chime in here. If you are using the foot controller, I heartily recommend BEFORE YOU POWER UP THE EDP, manually tap all the buttons ten or twenty times. I have had much fewer problems with incorrect response to commands since I started doing this. DO NOT DO IT WHILE THE EDP IS POWERED UP, OR YOU WILL RESET YOUR VALUES AND PARAMETERS IN A WAY THAT WILL REQUIRE A FAIRLY LENGTHY REPROGRAMMING ON THE GIG. Voice of experience... dave That's been happening to me lately, too, and I am not sure what I'm doing to enter that state nor how to get out of it! -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 22:46:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81BFC3BE95; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=KSplcB9eWDUY9LC75ihGoHF8rtxYbvLFBB/RlueSMqg=; b=OXHQeBzWaQ9cMMqKfgEkB5fZL1Eu+Uj1wr4rICrmX+2mu9r5KD9/7PYbBC0rtzh6q1 B8IsbnT2dZITy5AskvSr8ZAsP1+jKgm5SyDAGAcm6GOvw4dA3awsgu2OBuhj+CHOz1CT XN0GshP3rZCO/K8TuAR1XIcmaR6iwxLkRPDTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=w9l7PC0QUcKOp6FmRHk6UWIbLNaQ7J69WhM65wph+tAICwKy64Zd6xPZfCZ9Dm3w0a oYknITkNCvQANMhq2Zv310U05B0szrheXBhouLK996N3/XGnh7F7pnQgjB/DWz4BM7gv mX/qj5Jd7/LyfJwYKcwcRCuhj1Glbkmq3lci4= Message-ID: <492B2EC5.8010808@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:46:29 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Loop software with varispeed-thankyou References: <491C0C26.4040002@tiscali.co.uk> <491DA7CF.3090709@tiscali.co.uk> <4923D860.7040003@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811190231g69725c6r23414019edc62408@mail.gmail.com> <4923FCEA.7080805@tiscali.co.uk> <49251215.1080207@googlemail.com> <492525F5.1030405@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <492525F5.1030405@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85795 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:46:31 +0000 (UTC) andy butler schrieb: > ta, Stefan, > > but what I *don't* know is what is the standard response curve for Midi > PitchBend. Its linear to pitch, thus exponential to frequency. You define the range in half steps on your synth usually. Mostly the range is +- a whole step, but could be any range. > ...but wonder if that's actually the case, as for a 2 semitone bend a > linear conversion sounds ok. linear in frequency would not sound ok, as it would react very different for moving up versus moving down. But its linear in pitch... In Max you would utilize mtof and ftom objects to do the conversion. mtof follows the expression: (440. * exp(.057762265 * ($f1 - 69.))) for pitchbend you need a conversion to a ratio, which is realted, but even simpler: exp(0.057762265 * $f1)... If you bend up an octave you should get a value of 2, if you bend down an octave you should get a value of 0.5 hope this helps and isn't too much voodoo... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 23:23:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69CDF3BEA0; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:21:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Dave. I am using the EDP controller, so this is helpful. If it's displaying the current cycle number, can I still overdub? At 4:34 PM -0600 11/24/08, Dave Gallaher wrote: > >On the EDP controller, I sometimes get the same result; the loop will keep >playing, but I can't overdub and cycle numbers appear with each additional >push of Overdub. When this happens, I do one of two things: > >1} finish playing the piece that is using the loop, end by hitting Record, >then hit Undo. Normally, this will return to regular operation, but not >every time. If it fails, then > >2) reboot the EDP. This will restore it to normal record/overdub operation >in my experience. > >I have not used the function that gives C-1 etc, but it seems to be counting >cycles when in this mode. Hopefully someone on the list with more >experience with deeper EDP ops can chime in here. > >If you are using the foot controller, I heartily recommend BEFORE YOU POWER >UP THE EDP, manually tap all the buttons ten or twenty times. I have had >much fewer problems with incorrect response to commands since I started >doing this. DO NOT DO IT WHILE THE EDP IS POWERED UP, OR YOU WILL RESET >YOUR VALUES AND PARAMETERS IN A WAY THAT WILL REQUIRE A FAIRLY LENGTHY >REPROGRAMMING ON THE GIG. Voice of experience... -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 23:25:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F7993BE93; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nAbxhGRLTJP0IEIimLC/6BhmNqjj2ZMT2v6lzHzb+Z4=; b=t1Iqz+ADJfr/B9mPMgyo8ajzhPTHox0C1SgVXD5BHUsihvcMXLuz1xBgu5F+F2l6do 4CwVIDuihiq1ErXyEdu70fMuGWWYsVwiYu/1hkeI0zgC0GCe/ux95WnhG7a6xdJdm2TM q/V4d6is/GHJ3ziGlnlK4XpMGp+uwP0sMmXP0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=c2zHa+2VO3ikzp7n/V7a7m2eiCl/KYS5MSuvaduRXWD9dvAbPVAFcAC8wGqrlgICSO Nj77nZOHwSwU7IF6Z+CfC2Gr99iR+BIMovRCVHvgE3eR6jQL0ypOXnUcmWsAq+20S9n5 xXDJtm3TtA3tQnGlRGQTtOcplZNQFW+37Lacw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:25:32 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_102753_11307608.1227569132770" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:25:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_102753_11307608.1227569132770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think you've got the "confirm" mode turned on. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:21 PM, David Gans wrote: > > > Thanks Dave. I am using the EDP controller, so this is helpful. > > If it's displaying the current cycle number, can I still overdub? ------=_Part_102753_11307608.1227569132770 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I think you've got the "confirm" mode turned on. 

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 3:21 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:


Thanks Dave.  I am using the EDP controller, so this is helpful.

If it's displaying the current cycle number, can I still overdub?

------=_Part_102753_11307608.1227569132770-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Nov 24 23:53:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4D503BEA2; Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:53:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:44:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:53:12 +0000 (UTC) At 3:25 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: >I think you've got the "confirm" mode turned on. That's the SwitchQuant parameter? I have MoreLoops set to 2 but I hardly ever hit NextLoop. If I set that to 1, can I avoid going into this mde? -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 00:06:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4CE33BE95; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:06:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/8ufBXGdYRTR28MLcg0j3yxTtFGUDdqMHzNrR1kfr2M=; b=CkZDu9jp4eSgB5G6epge7mqmDa7kP6SxosICaA7U+hTsa9Ecb+n9VSHk+Ad2Ohna78 bEotJ3PcQuLHVg5aAyeGpPVkt2mvIdXjTqykvUGGIA+08RSGcfJ5U7xWy3tAdAUUSq7a u2rlXiprOtccgBuAyTWY7T2IT/l9jHHjW7uHw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=ZjyThCSkScl/KQVmQsvIWaURXl7FFFanf3nl0ZCbeYcpFQe52IDkdEjNzXz45PjZ/6 PdMrY3TxLkAO/tADvT4br7D5r8Kbm9t0q0jxq1q23dUK1gpYrNyw3dTGmgDpdzoe2elz UERNzvL1mXca1P8BqMKzeMIw/oydBi1DGEdiI= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:06:55 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_102951_31932830.1227571615152" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:06:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_102951_31932830.1227571615152 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. See p. 127 in the EDP+ manual: Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert. Multiply has a feature to aid in creating very long multiplies, called MultiIncrease. MultiIncreaseis also useful when you know exactly how many multiples you want to do in advance. Instead of waiting until the end of the Multiply to make the second press of the Multiply button, now you can immediately tap in as many Multiples as you want in the beginning of the multiplying. The Echoplex will automatically complete that many multiply Cycles for you. This same function is also available for Insert, however for simplicity we will just describe it in terms of Multiply. MultiIncrease is very helpful for situations where you want to have a large number of multiples and you don't want to wait to the very end to remember to press Multiply a second time. This way you can set up in advance how far it will multiply and let it go while you continue playing. MultiIncrease is in addition to the normal Multiply operation, so the standard use is not affected. [There's more info in the manual, also available as a PDF on the LD site]. TH ------=_Part_102951_31932830.1227571615152 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. 
See p. 127 in the EDP+ manual:

Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert.

Multiply has a feature to aid in creating very long multiplies, called
MultiIncrease. MultiIncreaseis also useful when you know exactly how
many multiples you want to do in advance.
Instead of waiting until the end of the Multiply to make the second press
of the Multiply button, now you can immediately tap in as many
Multiples as you want in the beginning of the multiplying. The Echoplex
will automatically complete that many multiply Cycles for you. This
same function is also available for Insert, however for simplicity we will
just describe it in terms of Multiply.
MultiIncrease is very helpful for situations where you want to have a large
number of multiples and you don't want to wait to the very end to
remember to press Multiply a second time. This way you can set up in
advance how far it will multiply and let it go while you continue playing.
MultiIncrease is in addition to the normal Multiply operation, so the
standard use is not affected.


[There's more info in the manual, also available as a PDF on the LD site].

TH
------=_Part_102951_31932830.1227571615152-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 00:07:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 881DE3BE8F; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:07:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227571658; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=2GK8gt2Q6WeJiNEmSzxL2coxab4=; b=Mr2mYVl6CtkkjBg92+nZsjCXLTOmj0TW4wBgVzEVP99pfFcMjxe3s4m9r87LVL69 v5lw/ZEiyq33enQv/pZYLLyWeCYbAbSbb6JfVJmuCcfme44hkVmuWdpCUHZzC6OT; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=ZgFmqT6sAAAA:8 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=X8lw9rmGAAAA:8 a=yK7suEQDWjFqqs017wIA:9 a=YOEYOryTnk1cxq2wLyyj-h3zQuwA:4 a=8b0TY1xhFYQA:10 a=Pvtn0mql1RB-bUikhPkA:9 a=VEEVNyPKf5BsRaZsck4A:7 a=EBFTpHGjEPr9KEGZqs3pe-btFT4A:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp04.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <004501c94e91$e7744130$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: Boss DD 20 question Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:08:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C94E67.F95A4310" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:07:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C94E67.F95A4310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone tell me if it would be possible to use 1 tap tempo button ( = FS 5U) to control 2 DD 20s? Maybe a Y cord? Seems like ya could. This thought is very intriguing to me..... loop on, Jeff "when you think your dreams are shattered, it's time to dream new = dreams" http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899 http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/ ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C94E67.F95A4310 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Can anyone tell me if it would be = possible to use 1=20 tap tempo button ( FS 5U) to control 2 DD 20s? Maybe a Y cord? Seems = like ya=20 could.
This thought is very = intriguing to=20 me.....
 
loop on,
 
Jeff
 
 
 
"when you think your dreams are = shattered, it's=20 time to dream new dreams"
 
 
 
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http://www.youtube.com/use= r/sticky899
http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke<= BR>http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html
http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C94E67.F95A4310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 00:13:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F8963BE93; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:13:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 00:13:30.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[A562D800:01C94E92] Resent-Message-ID: <-IHJxD.A.JCE.rM0KJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had this concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. I realized that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is rhythm. I guess you can call this a conclusion of my practical research of playing several genres of music to average audiences for the last 20 years. Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want over that and get away with it, within reason. So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to create a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass lines. It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or complex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks are between 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, they can make people move on the dance floor. And what I mean by "move" is mock fucking, if you know what I mean. :) We've all seen them on the dance floor, right? The rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big thing is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks in wav file format (via my server), after which I record over the top of them with some really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures, random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing that taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm. Any takers? If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track of what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks. Kris ************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 00:16:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8293BE95; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:16:25 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:16:32 +0000 (UTC) At 4:06 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. >See p. 127 in the EDP+ manual: > >Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert. Hm, so it's possible I'm accidentally getting a double click when I hit Multiply? Most helpful - thanks! (I can see I'm gonna have to set up my rig and do some experimenting to see if I can replicate the condition and learn from this experience.) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 01:45:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B1293BE8D; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-162227286 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner X-Priority: 3 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:45:30 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:45:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-162227286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you're a clever man, Kris. If I had time, I'd jump on it. But I'm committed for at least six months now. Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, probably 80% of the house is built. If after that, to carry the analogy further, the roof is sturdy and the house is attractive, the people will move in. Having a good crowd is a wonderful thing. Good one. R RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 24, 2008, at 4:13 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had > this concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the > common crowd. I realized that in many cases the key to getting > people hooked initially is rhythm. I guess you can call this a > conclusion of my practical research of playing several genres of > music to average audiences for the last 20 years. Once you hook them > with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want over that > and get away with it, within reason. > > So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to > create a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass > lines. It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as > simple or complex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that > the tracks are between 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove > hard...in other words, they can make people move on the dance > floor. And what I mean by "move" is mock fucking, if you know what > I mean. :) We've all seen them on the dance floor, right? The > rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, maybe it is a mixture of > acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big thing is now. > I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks in wav file format > (via my server), after which I record over the top of them with some > really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures, random > stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing that > taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious > representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm. > > Any takers? If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track > of what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks. > > Kris > > ************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > 1-208-724-5603 RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-3-162227286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable you're a clever man, Kris. =  If I had time, I'd jump on it.  But I'm committed for at = least six months now. 

Definitely if the riddim = is there, and the butt moves, probably 80% of the house is built. If = after that, to carry the analogy further, the roof is sturdy and the = house is attractive, the people will move = in.

Having a good crowd is a wonderful = thing.

Good = one.

R
RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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On Nov 24, 2008, at = 4:13 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Hello = all,

I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I =  have had this concept of how to make avant-garde music more = appealing to the common crowd. I realized that in many cases the key to = getting people hooked initially is rhythm. I guess you can call this a = conclusion of my practical research of playing several genres of music = to average audiences for the last 20 years. Once you hook them with = rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want over that and get = away with it, within reason.

So, what I'm thinking for the = project is that I find someone to create a CD's length of tracks that = include only percussion and bass lines.  It could use samples, = rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or complex as one likes, etc. = All that is important is that the tracks are between 3 and 6 minutes, = and that they groove hard...in other words, they can make people move on = the dance floor.  And what I mean by "move" is mock fucking, if you = know what I mean. :)  We've all seen them on the dance floor, = right?  The rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, maybe it is = a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big thing = is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks in wav file = format (via my server), after which I record over the top of them with = some really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures, = random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing = that taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious = representation of jazz influences creative music over popular = rhythm.

Any takers?  If you are interested, send me at 30 = second or so track of what you might consider representative of a larger = set of tracks.

Kris

**************
Krispen = Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com
info@= krispenhartung.com
1-208-724-5603 =

=
RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
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= --Apple-Mail-3-162227286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 02:07:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 245AF3BE95; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: echoplex questions Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:07:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclOkxLWgjZZ7LN2Rgm8hB8rG5iT8wADsa7Q Message-Id: <20081125020751.A43133BE88@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:07:51 +0000 (UTC) This is far and away the best thing you can do, and in my opinion you should do it about every six months whether you have problems or not. The EDP has so many deep options that there may be undiscovered joys for you after just a little experimenting. Just write down your working settings so they can be re-accomplished easily, and start swapping things around. I found out about the loop window accidentally by doing this, then found it explained in the manual. I've used my EDP on (estimated) 5-600 gigs and I'm still only utilizing a small part of its capability. dave (I can see I'm gonna have to set up my rig and do some experimenting to see if I can replicate the condition and learn from this experience.) - David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 02:14:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B28B3BE98; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6eNO2IRy8dWYNYagbIqEaZ6/VTkPOgz6ctc/I3+HxeI=; b=OEmpkr7VzlII1pjpANsKuCY570e7xX5zFnzD0C49nK74LSTpSNlOO1ndGJzftdd4oH 7Qs0PJGdOeAk0WqDNWAccqWUh3nWSI/DvCWwiiEZkBMSmn8aCNjqHRZKEhLbr7DC9pk5 IBnHHaIzgW2yMpQt6MfzcEoyJvEMnwdye2seA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=bJOdWVyUZ5zL817f1ZmXNvvspPf91ndfyYUAypL6/hRAOgOzTYqBgKYhT6eBUpYHK3 Su7RMzxsJUVbhC9c5nbt2n+DtixKe4PbZfkCz9h6Zc0y7zWlGwAaX9lcnVRm5GiNMgkI WdmBwQuMBBzECblLTtphMLXjnj5SNn0L5z8GA= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:14:23 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_103956_33387643.1227579263736" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0HBbaC.A.dwB.B-1KJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:14:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_103956_33387643.1227579263736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Could be. Are you using an EFC-7 to control the EDP? Dirty contacts on that can read as key bounce. On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 4:06 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. See p. >> 127 in the EDP+ manual: >> >> Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert. >> > > Hm, so it's possible I'm accidentally getting a double click when I hit > Multiply? > > ------=_Part_103956_33387643.1227579263736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Could be.  Are you using an EFC-7 to control the EDP?  Dirty contacts on that can read as key bounce.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 4:16 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
At 4:06 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. See p. 127 in the EDP+ manual:

Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert.

Hm, so it's possible I'm accidentally getting a double click when I hit Multiply?


------=_Part_103956_33387643.1227579263736-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 03:33:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70403BE90; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20081125020751.A43133BE88@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081125020751.A43133BE88@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:20:04 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: RE: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:33:54 +0000 (UTC) Oh, I totally agree. I go back to the manual form time to time to add new knowledge to my practical experience. I found out about the "Threshold" setting by accident, too! At 8:07 PM -0600 11/24/08, Dave Gallaher wrote: >This is far and away the best thing you can do, and in my opinion you should >do it about every six months whether you have problems or not. The EDP has >so many deep options that there may be undiscovered joys for you after just >a little experimenting. Just write down your working settings so they can >be re-accomplished easily, and start swapping things around. I found out >about the loop window accidentally by doing this, then found it explained in >the manual. > >I've used my EDP on (estimated) 5-600 gigs and I'm still only utilizing a >small part of its capability. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 03:33:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1668E3BEA9; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:33:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:20:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:33:55 +0000 (UTC) At 6:14 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Could be. Are you using an EFC-7 to control the EDP? Dirty >contacts on that can read as key bounce. Is that the foot controller that comes with it? If so, yes. I have reawakened my soldering skills to keep that thing happening. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 03:39:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 788553BEA6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=yDfHrgnUeSrcKl0IiTj9i3U7MxuB+vKecIipCgtCZfo=; b=YWlZloAoDSZ6Fw8Rm+ntKBqc4GyiJIOj6JJI9noS/2dgHKO+b6arMtUrI7kM6HuMD/ P5Yi7tQy6uE9ESR7SYVCmYkPBlOAk5zBSDzh9/NmwXSzJsu67pIGTqte+04xTeLjaAgY TFavpc8s8IncbMzw/hRxGot8Ba4WlUaAdhm+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=o1eKzTJlNGTD8Ehn+oasyM9cjXN+PcRxxyJyL6E5I0pls5uzFR9fP5/vgDSfywTHWJ DvkC+BETb5xio5SIL/9EKThMrWljWLFZn6pFjq5ylXRfou2LD9AKbhLXN8gTvSrBw/P6 bNKXwSeflCqmqes8QHIb+2xQru9xv4+QsHDFE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:39:17 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_104480_27949977.1227584358023" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:39:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_104480_27949977.1227584358023 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yep, that's the unit. A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix the problem before you need to actually replace the switch. Use a multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the desired value. TH On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 6:14 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Could be. Are you using an EFC-7 to control the EDP? Dirty contacts on >> that can read as key bounce. >> > > Is that the foot controller that comes with it? If so, yes. > > ------=_Part_104480_27949977.1227584358023 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yep, that's the unit.  A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix the problem before you need to actually replace the switch.  Use a multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the desired value.

TH

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
At 6:14 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
Could be.  Are you using an EFC-7 to control the EDP?  Dirty contacts on that can read as key bounce.

Is that the foot controller that comes with it?  If so, yes.


------=_Part_104480_27949977.1227584358023-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:00:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A983BE88; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:00:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:00:20 +0000 (UTC) At 7:39 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: >Yep, that's the unit. A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix >the problem before you need to actually replace the switch. Use a >multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably >the desired value. Is that based on the value of the adjacent resistor? (Rummaging through drawer to see if I still have a color code key anywhere.) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:10:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F7633BE97; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=A2qeNxiK2riW9cltskN8xZ11S6tvy0ojJUhHgAaLWkE=; b=Whj/Q53JjOj/62nKZmXVt5XXivkFC6LDbhQh/85tMwVb5lhRxnrMpvOue5dn8c3wq0 yQTwlcWyJnDQ6kUB2tQgQljEwDV0C4rTKGox3QBVcFTSgJmwwqSB0Ga522PmAB+OnEbp PAcl70sXh8YHQSbmM+3FaLgg/de3AQzQaraSU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=osdjS4WJKd4P1jeri+0GWbm+s5uwqxbeKKxpKdv+Pzj8Wvov5oFXbVMEbzg80xGt1T GnLZLf7rtcfS5+iGcVWuOysk2Iw/TNccTEpcomKWrcVaePNDjmgVL/YgyHblF0yMczA4 KxYaf7EyRih+oPPEn2DK3hSPrBV13bF4WbXXw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:10:02 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29_25171291.1227586202721" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:10:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29_25171291.1227586202721 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's how the foot controller works: "The circuit for a switch connected to the Footpedal jack is very simple. It is just a resistor and a momentary switch connected in series between the tip and sleeve of the jack. Pressing the switch connects the tip and sleeve together through the resistor. The Resistor values determine the function that the Echoplex executes. These switches can be in parallel, although if you press several at once you will get unpredictable results. (It is possible to press other switches while holding down Overdub, however). If you look in the EFC-7 pedal you will see that it is just seven switch-resistor combinations, all in parallel between the tip and sleeve of the panel mount jack. Simple. 1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate values: *0 ohms* *Record* *14.3K ohms* *Overdub* *7.87K ohms* *Multiply* *4.75K ohms* *Insert* *2.87K ohms* *Mute* *1.58K ohms* *Undo* *681 ohms* *NextLoop* *Parameters* If you want to *make your own* feedback footpedal (or elbow pedal, or whatever), use a 20k ohm or greater pot. Linear taper is probably better, but log works too. The value and taper will change the feel of the pedal, so you may want to experiment a little. The feedback level is controlled by the amount of resistance between the tip and sleeve. Anything over 20k should be maximum feedback, anything down around 0 should be no feedback. Connect the potentiometer's wiper to the tip, and the sleeve to one end of the pot. (Make sure it's the end that lets the pedal operate in the direction you want.) Simple!" On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM, David Gans wrote: > At 7:39 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> Yep, that's the unit. A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix the >> problem before you need to actually replace the switch. Use a multimeter to >> check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the desired value. >> > > Is that based on the value of the adjacent resistor? > > (Rummaging through drawer to see if I still have a color code key > anywhere.) > > > > > > -- > > David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com > Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 > Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com > Web site: http://www.dgans.com > Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans > Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans > > > ------=_Part_29_25171291.1227586202721 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here's how the foot controller works:

"The circuit for a switch connected to the Footpedal jack is very simple. It is just a resistor and a momentary switch connected in series between the tip and sleeve of the jack. Pressing the switch connects the tip and sleeve together through the resistor. The Resistor values determine the function that the Echoplex executes. These switches can be in parallel, although if you press several at once you will get unpredictable results. (It is possible to press other switches while holding down Overdub, however). If you look in the EFC-7 pedal you will see that it is just seven switch-resistor combinations, all in parallel between the tip and sleeve of the panel mount jack. Simple.

1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate values:

0 ohms
Record
14.3K ohms
Overdub
7.87K ohms
Multiply
4.75K ohms
Insert
2.87K ohms
Mute
1.58K ohms
Undo
681 ohms
NextLoop

Parameters

If you want to make your own feedback footpedal (or elbow pedal, or whatever), use a 20k ohm or greater pot. Linear taper is probably better, but log works too. The value and taper will change the feel of the pedal, so you may want to experiment a little. The feedback level is controlled by the amount of resistance between the tip and sleeve. Anything over 20k should be maximum feedback, anything down around 0 should be no feedback. Connect the potentiometer's wiper to the tip, and the sleeve to one end of the pot. (Make sure it's the end that lets the pedal operate in the direction you want.) Simple!"




On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:
At 7:39 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote:
Yep, that's the unit.  A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix the problem before you need to actually replace the switch.  Use a multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the desired value.

Is that based on the value of the adjacent resistor?

(Rummaging through drawer to see if I still have a color code key anywhere.)





--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans



------=_Part_29_25171291.1227586202721-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:16:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD9C93BE97; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:16:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LXdPlKhZ9t+2ea8QkdFOy13nPxQQHHOojeVtIleMH4mgeiNgprQgYvt4vv4kR64htjbCmVP/RyWPPOM/N4391eKAnxhja9dt0MkSq5REDyGdtjnum9X0pXLZJM7B+JukS7Tqyxm0chppSk3pfapCw0uhY21OkzFcjr5+nJFbZ28=; X-YMail-OSG: HGrk1ccVM1neAUNrlRne38zqN946ISywq1n1NjvcUY4uK9Dyky_mvQkOxXyagi9sTpfAeMox5Cg1KkcJ0T1QgG6BoKJYKayc1NOtatkyG9PwEc2d6EeXnW3N70iZjEdFHTqoTeMkWqrYknTkRnBCAB3EeaxBPmnOkT5w_yY- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:16:56 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2107590419-1227586616=:92119" Message-ID: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:16:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-2107590419-1227586616=:92119 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, probably 80% of the house is built. Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But you never know. Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping it. Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing. Alternatively, find a local creative DJ and work with him. Many of those guys create at least some of their own beats,and they might be in to trying something new. Just my .02 -George --0-2107590419-1227586616=:92119 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
>Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, <EMPHASIS>probably 80% of the house is built</EMPHASIS>.

Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But you never know.

Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping it.

Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing.

Alternatively, find a local creative DJ and work with him. Many of those guys create at least some of their own beats,and they might be in to trying something new.

Just my .02

-George

--0-2107590419-1227586616=:92119-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:31:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DFFA3BEA6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:30:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9862_01C94E7B.EF23E220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 04:30:57.0990 (UTC) FILETIME=[9CE2E660:01C94EB6] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:31:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_9862_01C94E7B.EF23E220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, = probably 80% of the house is built. Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a = taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album = for him. But you never know. Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the = message, and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on = your comment. I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone = laying down a foundation and me adding the icing on the cake.=20 Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length = collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance = genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a = musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz = influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be = auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping = it. That would be really inspiring. Do it! I'm sure you will sell = millions of copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking = beats and female singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for = sure. ;-) =20 Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the = latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the = tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own = playing. Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being = able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another = person. You missed the point, I'm afraid. I like to colloborate with = other musicians, not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum. = Making music with other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a = product that each person could never do on their own. Chemistry.=20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_9862_01C94E7B.EF23E220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
----- Original Message -----
 

>Definitely=20 if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, <EMPHASIS>probably = 80% of=20 the house is built</EMPHASIS>.

Which=20 is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, = because=20 he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But = you never=20 know.   Well, I had a few takers in the = first 10=20 minutes after I send the message, and I expect many more, so I'm not = sure what=20 this reflects on your comment.  I expect this to be a = collaboration, not=20 just someone laying down a foundation and me adding the icing on the = cake.=20
Honestly, if I was = capable/willing to=20 come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass = lines in=20 the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play on = it=20 would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious = representation of=20 jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be=20 auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping=20 it.   That would be really inspiring. Do = it!  =20 I'm sure you will sell millions of copies, since no one appears to be=20 combining booty shaking beats and female singers. Nope...that's a = rarity in=20 the music scene for sure. ;-) 
Kris, if I were you, I would look in = to getting=20 some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud = augment=20 the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own=20 playing.   Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a = matter of me=20 not being able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with = another=20 person. You missed the point, I'm afraid.  I like to = colloborate=20 with other musicians, not sit in my basement and create shit in a = vacuum.   Making music with other = people,=20 imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that each person could = never=20 do on their own.  Chemistry. =

Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_9862_01C94E7B.EF23E220-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:38:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C3283BE9E; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=xL6hiBeu36eN0oE7qwDN5DiiGUQhZAM0IsSpoGQVti4PrvCsqYRMOVmw+5mxTUqXhI90ZhMiZhLnw9As/qu3EWnrepxx7oUM/PbkZzoHQttfwTE6GijmfjE9CPryPiXUltgEaYsvwal7ZJil4PbNBYEMaid1x5em6ins33YwgRk=; X-YMail-OSG: h_SR6SsVM1kW78j7NT81.AFaRaj.pQmHmlLlTDA00wvB1FxkMRsUWWc66Uj8zDPI_hLgEnjxxEBg.DAElBnlJjurtyI2On8oM55hzZaEgVZz1SvDU.6DQty0xZWsZpYrNm2Nx.nvorRtxwZNFRUr3m0gYaLMXR2LRZ4vU1B3sN1Xdyp3HZ4CrhPo5_8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-323367058-1227587916=:90857" Message-ID: <881353.90857.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:38:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-323367058-1227587916=:90857 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with the project. ________________________________ From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30:55 PM Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner ----- Original Message ----- >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, probably 80% of the house is built. Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But you never know. Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the message, and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on your comment. I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone laying down a foundation and me adding the icing on the cake. Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping it. That would be really inspiring. Do it! I'm sure you will sell millions of copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking beats and female singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for sure. ;-) Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing. Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another person. You missed the point, I'm afraid. I like to colloborate with other musicians, not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum. Making music with other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that each person could never do on their own. Chemistry. Kris --0-323367058-1227587916=:90857 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with the project.

From: Krispen Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30:55 PM
Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner

----- Original Message -----
 

>Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, <EMPHASIS>probably 80% of the house is built</EMPHASIS>.

Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But you never know.
 
Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the message, and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on your comment.  I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone laying down a foundation and me adding the icing on the cake.

Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping it.
 
That would be really inspiring. Do it!   I'm sure you will sell millions of copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking beats and female singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for sure. ;-) 

Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing.
 
Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another person. You missed the point, I'm afraid.  I like to colloborate with other musicians, not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum.   Making music with other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that each person could never do on their own.  Chemistry.

Kris

 


--0-323367058-1227587916=:90857-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 04:40:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303FF3BEB6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <881353.90857.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:40:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9889_01C94E7D.49DF2890" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 04:40:39.0699 (UTC) FILETIME=[F79CA630:01C94EB7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:40:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_9889_01C94E7D.49DF2890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No problem. Thanks. I'm always looking for new things to do with other = musicians.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with the = project. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Krispen Hartung To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30:55 PM Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner ----- Original Message -----=20 >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, = probably 80% of the house is built. Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a = taker, because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album = for him. But you never know. Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the = message, and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on = your comment. I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone = laying down a foundation and me adding the icing on the cake.=20 Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length = collection of booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance = genre, the first person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a = musician who wanted "to portray a serious representation of jazz = influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would be = auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and shopping = it. That would be really inspiring. Do it! I'm sure you will sell = millions of copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking = beats and female singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for = sure. ;-) =20 Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the = latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the = tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down your own = playing. Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being = able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another = person. You missed the point, I'm afraid. I like to colloborate with = other musicians, not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum. = Making music with other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a = product that each person could never do on their own. Chemistry.=20 Kris =20 ------=_NextPart_000_9889_01C94E7D.49DF2890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No problem. Thanks.  I'm always = looking for=20 new things to do with other musicians.
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with = the=20 project.

From: Krispen Hartung = <info@krispenhartung.com>To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 = 8:30:55=20 PM
Subject: Re: New = CD=20 Project - Looking for a Partner

----- Original Message -----
 

>Definitely=20 if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, <EMPHASIS>probably = 80% of=20 the house is built</EMPHASIS>.

Which=20 is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, = because=20 he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But = you=20 never know.   Well, I had a few takers in the = first 10=20 minutes after I send the message, and I expect many more, so I'm not = sure=20 what this reflects on your comment.  I expect this to be a=20 collaboration, not just someone laying down a foundation and me = adding the=20 icing on the cake.
Honestly, if I was = capable/willing to=20 come up with a CD-length collection of booty-shaking beats and bass = lines in=20 the latest dance genre, the first person I would be calling to play = on it=20 would NOT be a musician who wanted "to portray a serious = representation of=20 jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm." Nope. I would = be=20 auditioning attractive female singers, cutting a single, and = shopping=20 it.   That would be really inspiring. Do = it!  =20 I'm sure you will sell millions of copies, since no one appears to = be=20 combining booty shaking beats and female singers. Nope...that's a = rarity in=20 the music scene for sure. ;-) 
Kris, if I were you, I would look = in to getting=20 some of the latest/greatest sample CD's and use those. Maybe you = colud=20 augment the tracks with a live rhythm section after you've laid down = your=20 own playing.   Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a = matter of me=20 not being able to do the shit myself, but about the collaboration = with=20 another person. You missed the point, I'm afraid.  I like = to=20 colloborate with other musicians, not sit in my basement and create = shit in=20 a vacuum.   Making = music with=20 other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that = each=20 person could never do on their own.  Chemistry.=20

Kris
 

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--0-2084506601-1227589157=:80197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 05:34:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC3DE3BE90; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5Bq8F6qjrPDjTBaF1ane04QdIo0p4F81oKLS+261YII=; b=PfjMgShN0Rx8Xm8BShKzhZazUGdhsWSjkGzxDPV0/doSjpepZbeINNADNvCZ6FEhQ+ oH/gAf0rLnY7T1feLMhpCkjmkkaP20NznDOGAtGXDhoV6NzNJ8pHjRXjvJeJSFRoNSVC PesJnyln3YpZfzzdd+RMZEGUgPkEok57rjrgs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bYZXqv7WK8frYaMIKRKte1ceWdKDs5aVC3PJ8TsTOr95C9525ghRXNwmf+Z0M2svCJ U3Hd+UmEWEWKCWBnZM78E7Eq/IBTQqqatDvQbDl+WhhpunQfrWhLYGB58bM//4DLc9G7 gy06E2TqjmdNMxyY7snYIJFHWS1KLNYnlG2ZE= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:34:57 -0800 From: "David Sackman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <881353.90857.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Hey Kris, what kind of a time frame are you looking at to get this done? I tried to do a band concept like this in the '80's, (Ornette meets James Brown with a dash of Police) but the world was not ready... I have a funky little drum machine and a bunch of percussion toys, drums, basses, and guitars to work with. Not sure if it will be au courant, but it would be funky. My main problem is time due to work, but have some vacation time coming up. I'll have some technical learning to do, but this idea is very motivating to climb the learning curve. BTW, I've listened to all the CD's we bought and you gave us at Loopfest and enjoyed them. Thanks again for the generous gift. We just need the box and booklet for the box set! David Sackman On 11/24/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > No problem. Thanks. I'm always looking for new things to do with other > musicians. > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with the project. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Krispen Hartung > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30:55 PM > Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, probably > 80% of the house is built. > > > Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, > because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. But > you never know. > > Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the message, > and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on your comment. > I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone laying down a > foundation and me adding the icing on the cake. > > Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection of > booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first > person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who wanted > "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over > popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, > cutting a single, and shopping it. > > That would be really inspiring. Do it! I'm sure you will sell millions of > copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking beats and female > singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for sure. ;-) > > Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the latest/greatest > sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live > rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing. > > Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being able to > do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another person. You > missed the point, I'm afraid. I like to colloborate with other musicians, > not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum. Making music with > other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that each > person could never do on their own. Chemistry. > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 06:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0042A3BE95; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:51:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Dave Gallaher" To: Subject: RE: echoplex questions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:51:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C94E97.FC734210" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Thread-Index: AclOs7Kk2m/bPpgBRX+gzs0/LC/VBgAFoG6g Message-Id: <20081125065147.9C9E73BE79@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8pHn8D.A.-kE.DC6KJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:51:47 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C94E97.FC734210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Travis, Thanks for republishing this info. dave Subject: Re: echoplex questions Here's how the foot controller works: "The circuit for a switch connected to the Footpedal jack is very simple. It is just a resistor and a momentary switch connected in series between the tip and sleeve of the jack. Pressing the switch connects the tip and sleeve together through the resistor. The Resistor values determine the function that the Echoplex executes. These switches can be in parallel, although if you press several at once you will get unpredictable results. (It is possible to press other switches while holding down Overdub, however). If you look in the EFC-7 pedal you will see that it is just seven switch-resistor combinations, all in parallel between the tip and sleeve of the panel mount jack. Simple. 1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate values: 0 ohms Record 14.3K ohms Overdub 7.87K ohms Multiply 4.75K ohms Insert 2.87K ohms Mute 1.58K ohms Undo 681 ohms NextLoop Parameters If you want to make your own feedback footpedal (or elbow pedal, or whatever), use a 20k ohm or greater pot. Linear taper is probably better, but log works too. The value and taper will change the feel of the pedal, so you may want to experiment a little. The feedback level is controlled by the amount of resistance between the tip and sleeve. Anything over 20k should be maximum feedback, anything down around 0 should be no feedback. Connect the potentiometer's wiper to the tip, and the sleeve to one end of the pot. (Make sure it's the end that lets the pedal operate in the direction you want.) Simple!" On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM, David Gans wrote: At 7:39 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: Yep, that's the unit. A lot of times some contact cleaner will fix the problem before you need to actually replace the switch. Use a multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the desired value. Is that based on the value of the adjacent resistor? (Rummaging through drawer to see if I still have a color code key anywhere.) -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C94E97.FC734210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Travis,

 

Thanks for republishing this = info.

 

dave

 



 

Subject: Re: = echoplex questions

 

Here's how the = foot controller works:

"The circuit for a switch connected to the Footpedal jack is very simple. It = is just a resistor and a momentary switch connected in series between the tip = and sleeve of the jack. Pressing the switch connects the tip and sleeve = together through the resistor. The Resistor values determine the function that = the Echoplex executes. These switches can be in parallel, although if you = press several at once you will get unpredictable results. (It is possible to = press other switches while holding down Overdub, however). If you look in the = EFC-7 pedal you will see that it is just seven switch-resistor combinations, = all in parallel between the tip and sleeve of the panel mount jack. = Simple.

1% metal film resistors should be used, here are the appropriate = values:

0 = ohms

Record=

14.3K ohms

Overdub

7.87K ohms

Multiply

4.75K ohms

Insert=

2.87K ohms

Mute

1.58K ohms

Undo

681 ohms

NextLoop

 

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If you want to make your own = feedback footpedal (or elbow pedal, or whatever), use a 20k ohm or greater pot. = Linear taper is probably better, but log works too. The value and taper will = change the feel of the pedal, so you may want to experiment a little. The = feedback level is controlled by the amount of resistance between the tip and = sleeve. Anything over 20k should be maximum feedback, anything down around 0 = should be no feedback. Connect the potentiometer's wiper to the tip, and the = sleeve to one end of the pot. (Make sure it's the end that lets the pedal operate = in the direction you want.) Simple!"

 

 

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:00 PM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> = wrote:

At 7:39 PM -0800 11/24/08, Travis Hartnett = wrote:

Yep, that's the unit.  A lot of times some contact cleaner = will fix the problem before you need to actually replace the switch. =  Use a multimeter to check that the resistance off each switch is reliably the = desired value.

 

Is that based on the value of the adjacent resistor?

(Rummaging through drawer to see if I still have a color code key = anywhere.)






--

David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com
Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland = CA 94610-2730
Blog:  http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com
Web site: http://www.dgans.com
Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans
Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans

 

------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C94E97.FC734210-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 06:58:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AD7D3BE93; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=JZsAJ46vUi5K/L8TD7cHKcXG2ndR1FgDq9NZqp04LUg=; b=HKP/9LR3Bcrn88/O7Nn6Oirfa3RvE0rOGR1HfwCqZnlQW+PaX0vGjg9gxVeESKHSOT FSpH0uRfaCX+bhsJSzRmPVPK3XHBI0VkHxmp/hDCq+iIUN3b2Gu4hl00E2bgUAeDED+P K4SbK/95vI8DbzxAdbtou7D8Lkb0o36LNfV4Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=AF6H45IFuru81xN/cig4GYNOI6A1TAmx9i5rRjD3m1SOOtTmNaeCqQVqCYUqamoLJE d/H/PJacYTZd0X+e51T7v+87WXhYdZyui7+lrTgZgDWJe4pW2OTDpM19Fc/1G1b533TO Y3RAbs9lPXzek+QxHH3xADfuJCT2tNg9q/di0= Message-ID: <492BA22F.2090007@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:58:55 +0100 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Macintosh/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Instant Composition References: <5BB8AD85-95E9-457C-9536-CC9645E69F8C@kenaxis.com> <4923D730.6090702@googlemail.com> <492513B2.5060101@googlemail.com> <66f9cc1e0811200147s2c8df717m5299b2df22b8e9c6@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Stefan Tiedje Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Raul Bonell schrieb: > And what about Cage ideas on improvising? > I think he didn't like the regular jazz improv. method, > but i remember to have read he found a way that > proved o.k. for improvising... Cage was the most radical of the whole pack. The regular jazz improvisation just would not interest him. He was much into Zen and philosophy and his compositions would point to that. He was more interested in awareness about what's happening around of a musician. His instructions would incorporate chance operations, which neither carry any expression of a musician nor give space to expression. But he might be interested in consciousness of mind, imagine a bow master dart the arrow closed eyes to hit the mark... I'd say he was not interested in improvisation in a classical sense, as form of expression and simple choice of a limited palette. His work was closer to works of other arts like Joseph Beuys... The one of the big names who did deal with improvisation was Stockhausen with his concept of intuitive music. At least in his early days. Later he wanted much more control... Stefan -- Les Ondes Mémorielles----x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()----------TJ Shredder From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 09:25:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9BAB3BE91; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:25:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=QU4QJPUPeq2n2t37b7S9bqwqxU04rUtJJniEwOvaTP4=; b=H6EQKez+WActj3mCQv1P9ffD+99It6/O7zA6+n+KqrsKepcK0lsfs5f3Fo2/5880mI +ktgwKj/PZoy3mokipQmwQ16vFOKY90g/D0tqfVjaD3SoHkUFB2O6QicVXjPEJJ6N9p3 yze0KTpJdHK3z9aF+vlBQbus8U/KZ0KLztqC0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=VzoPQpGayMPFsbuGfJKnXmKoI8CbsgM/20xGKZNRXAH5M1RLmJcarsNESgRSuvWWsh V7p/EaNgepbxiruV7GAD5LoykMBen5U0CfkSR8E9ATFpyLUbSoBwwueKklVh32uayN35 /R6xSzMLPUJ73gv/OaJwBlSEl6hlb2qbTwjoI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811250125q7b7d9b01ma71e98cd54faceeb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:25:20 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1002_279222.1227605120459" References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 143b13002d227ebf Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:25:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1002_279222.1227605120459 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you > want over that and get away with it, within reason. This is exactly what my whole band concept was in the late 80=B4s, we had a really dance oriented rythym, with really weird shit on top. I got the idea from a quote from Eno, regarding his and Byrnes album "My Life in the bush of ghosts..." So, maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever th= e > big thing is now. I'm totally behind. Over here the current big thing is Dubstep... (sounds like danceable Tripho= p to my ears...) Nice Idea Kris, wish I had the time... m --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_1002_279222.1227605120459 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
 Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just ab= out anything you want over that and get away with it, within reason.

This is exactly what my whole band concept was in the late 80=B4s,= we had a really dance oriented rythym, with really weird shit on top. I go= t the idea from a quote from Eno, regarding his and Byrnes album "My L= ife in the bush of ghosts..."

So, may= be it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big t= hing is now. I'm totally behind.

Over here the current big thing is Dubstep... (sounds like danceab= le Triphop to my ears...)

Nice Idea Kris, wish I had the  time.= ..

m

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www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
= http://uk.youtube.com/= user/markfrancombe
= http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_1002_279222.1227605120459-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 10:13:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDA0A3BE8F; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JWO9/JKdxla4gezjQlWQ2c7IeBZvewQ53gSVPUMftAw=; b=GAtGiNYaft5BRSWXQ5GMsTcGb0pmjUzf8cibAN53oZWAliqUTBlJua7GcXgAYHUaLA qcbg+pexi39IcL/ljLiXC3YWhYfYlckKd2UhJaQECN6az1hu6SdAuA7jgwxarjLk6NPj WdN+RYwnegqFILFCetjAzDcShwfRZ3s7rWvwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UIFEJyUVq3keqRjdbH0OZlGnkvjlaai19BYh6d7pB9+/WwDgB9UNQq2ziErKZg9+AJ /dLiNle2bcW5Ktu20vp+owVr+TJEFlN8m1rSxxohhzuoBVTuW6NVX1Rbl4Yguu2r3Q9W Z1L+MubbUgG8HQXwo71DQsZ/hxLOJJ6WIcEqc= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811250213l3819a1f2od8ad0f9b96e4b4ba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:13:34 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:13:34 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had this > concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. > I realized that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is > rhythm. Thrilling idea - I wish I had time to take part! I took on a related concept a couple of years ago, for a recording released as the album Ooohh... But I did not single out rhythm in particular back then, but was rather using the simple form structures of pop to organize weird instruments and sound ("avantgard playing") in time. In order to not being trapped in "experimental composing" I focused on first-take recording and improvisation. Looping was the technical solution that made it possible. I'm listening a lot to DJ sets these days and it's interesting how a good DJ can crate a true "story-telling vibe" by playing back other's music. This is the next dimension, that I left out with Ooohh..., the long periods of emotional development in the music. These longer periods can happen behind faster "pop format" arrangements as well, so a combination is fully possible. What I would like to do next - whenever I get the time for it - is to create music that balances four parts: weird playing, story-telling musical qualities, pop-style format thinking and DAW techno oriented production and sound design. I had a chance to try out these ideas briefly when doing the remix http://www.myspace.com/klaperemixed (2. Skoro Sam Se Junak Ozenio...) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 10:36:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A850A3BE8B; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ffyLMF+UWXG/NpU/0CkgkXigYsO4XspbbovI5c0Dsmg=; b=cTHKGY7lprr80DkzPddNfJzLsacxOEDe9p37IvWddS1ZKC18OPa9234KiEg5WzOoKv mUqf+R/DgPHaH4B2tJVYvwek4zMn0gtnusyRRF1rD08Xp2/NGDvth4AEZVYl+8tJH0mT i5f/iiQV7gULI8BEgiVBclbaM0ll5MAJ7yrFU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=o/QiwXsg6RvdKUGd007mAbVy3iyAgV9BCYVLE3abE5rwGDVAZazytyHMFAzUNWCpWR CO33U9z4lYEY1EzmpchsWUOjToQOC8BNEIAmW5vupAPqJdrT3otkWc3XPAcB/MXVkj+1 sudR4VSueyg+2Nbof+jVn8CeNJbnGngGWLlYQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:36:03 +0100 From: "Max S" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2042_8718162.1227609363197" References: Resent-Message-ID: <56qtoC.A.nAD.VU9KJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:36:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2042_8718162.1227609363197 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Kris sounds interesting. Would you consider using rhythmic tracks/beats from various different musicians? I would love to take part but alas time to devote to a full album of tracks might be difficult a this time. If yuo fancy hearing some of my stuff: www.myspace.com/maxstarcke Regards, Max Starcke On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had this > concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. > I realized that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is > rhythm. I guess you can call this a conclusion of my practical research of > playing several genres of music to average audiences for the last 20 years. > Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want > over that and get away with it, within reason. > > So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to create a > CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass lines. It could > use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or complex as one > likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks are between 3 and 6 > minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, they can make people > move on the dance floor. And what I mean by "move" is mock fucking, if you > know what I mean. :) We've all seen them on the dance floor, right? The > rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, maybe it is a mixture of acid > jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big thing is now. I'm totally > behind. Then you share your tracks in wav file format (via my server), after > which I record over the top of them with some really far out free jazz, free > improv guitar stuff, textures, random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do > mostly non-ambient playing that taps into my jazz background. I want to > portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over > popular rhythm. > > Any takers? If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track of > what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks. > > Kris > > ************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > 1-208-724-5603 > ------=_Part_2042_8718162.1227609363197 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi Kris
 
sounds interesting. Would you consider using rhythmic tracks/beat= s from various different musicians? I would love to take part but alas time= to devote to a full album of tracks might be difficult a this time. If yuo= fancy hearing some of my stuff: www.myspace.com/maxstarcke
 
Regards,
Max Starcke

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung= <info@kris= penhartung.com> wrote:
Hello all,

I have a CD co= ncept I want to do. For a few years now, I  have had this concept of h= ow to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. I realized= that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is rhythm. I= guess you can call this a conclusion of my practical research of playing s= everal genres of music to average audiences for the last 20 years. Once you= hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want over t= hat and get away with it, within reason.

So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to cre= ate a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass lines= .  It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or c= omplex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks are betw= een 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, they can m= ake people move on the dance floor.  And what I mean by "move&quo= t; is mock fucking, if you know what I mean. :)  We've all seen th= em on the dance floor, right?  The rhythm has got to make the pelvis m= ove. So, maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatev= er the big thing is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks= in wav file format (via my server), after which I record over the top of t= hem with some really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures,= random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing that= taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious representation o= f jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm.

Any takers?  If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so tra= ck of what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks.
=
Kris

**************
Krispen Hartungwww.krispenh= artung.com
info@krispenha= rtung.com
1-208-724-5603

------=_Part_2042_8718162.1227609363197-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 10:38:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B67783BE8B; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=aRKu0Qyv0rzUGhWi+RglpvsrBzP8qBPgd5cfna0Ml0A=; b=ZeBXPLTzs6HYlpmyWxu4UHrQM6hJb7YOTK12O0m4AvqB/VYyVQY4F+ue7fwgSaMFRu Osa5jfaeVJ3tUPkde0GrXKFcTYSTZxopLhDh+9U8NF8CW0cwPn6mWNB/zf9xYXCp91fH Ma4oJFyJbhM08rk2EZ9UNL5HnBZTDdG0GnOeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=t7PRiUrehcxY6gfMqq9Jfkb28CgFsTnSPkPq5tbLBur48b1jHHhWWWdfrlIHawvmLV N+YWND8tVFrxQDVOWxbRdaDR7pZMtaUmwgEovQmygHw7YeC/OgKFvbFuEJoU8R5D01zM AcHHipsTA53WnSk+GHstQ85ObQ6+ktwx8tR5Q= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:38:20 +0100 From: "Max S" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2067_23702599.1227609500582" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:38:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2067_23702599.1227609500582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof beats I would probably go for deep African grooves. my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had this > concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. > I realized that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is > rhythm. I guess you can call this a conclusion of my practical research of > playing several genres of music to average audiences for the last 20 years. > Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want > over that and get away with it, within reason. > > So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to create a > CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass lines. It could > use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or complex as one > likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks are between 3 and 6 > minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, they can make people > move on the dance floor. And what I mean by "move" is mock fucking, if you > know what I mean. :) We've all seen them on the dance floor, right? The > rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, maybe it is a mixture of acid > jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the big thing is now. I'm totally > behind. Then you share your tracks in wav file format (via my server), after > which I record over the top of them with some really far out free jazz, free > improv guitar stuff, textures, random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do > mostly non-ambient playing that taps into my jazz background. I want to > portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music over > popular rhythm. > > Any takers? If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track of > what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks. > > Kris > > ************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > 1-208-724-5603 > ------=_Part_2067_23702599.1227609500582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof beats = I would probably go for deep African grooves.
 
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung= <info@kris= penhartung.com> wrote:
Hello all,

I have a CD co= ncept I want to do. For a few years now, I  have had this concept of h= ow to make avant-garde music more appealing to the common crowd. I realized= that in many cases the key to getting people hooked initially is rhythm. I= guess you can call this a conclusion of my practical research of playing s= everal genres of music to average audiences for the last 20 years. Once you= hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you want over t= hat and get away with it, within reason.

So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to cre= ate a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass lines= .  It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple or c= omplex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks are betw= een 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, they can m= ake people move on the dance floor.  And what I mean by "move&quo= t; is mock fucking, if you know what I mean. :)  We've all seen th= em on the dance floor, right?  The rhythm has got to make the pelvis m= ove. So, maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatev= er the big thing is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks= in wav file format (via my server), after which I record over the top of t= hem with some really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures,= random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing that= taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious representation o= f jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm.

Any takers?  If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so tra= ck of what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks.
=
Kris

**************
Krispen Hartungwww.krispenh= artung.com
info@krispenha= rtung.com
1-208-724-5603

------=_Part_2067_23702599.1227609500582-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 12:17:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E38583BE8D; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:Return-Receipt-To:Disposition-Notification-To:Message-ID:Reply-To:X-Priority:Sensitivity:Importance:To:Subject:From:Date:Content-Type:MIME-Version; b=VVIuDlcb2k0PB9jD6a4KUbWspmSrRJAXAf1gM7a+s9pWz9SBnE46lyPpV2471pe+lnyeTNTl/uYpYvbrNmjukrYFGkxkMX8mY6QlHPbg48f7HAC4MP3gDD+/wH2M2oAiBGx2K7UTtuRj98Hcp7cHHFQN5s6s3cDu+A7uDbjpbDQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: l15dTtkVM1kMapPKCNh7NFukLycQAeK_DNdvNC7wmSIYBBXcJYnRjd6dM0FLiTUlOtOU9lUO9D.jRHEj_LUQ5KsNuAGXBdBDKvH7384TL0mwh9HLqKVwtW0GoXR9RdG6AOjBPrAMcUr9GHJUtHHtI.ZXGt4IcOLUdvvKjU_S X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:626230583 Disposition-Notification-To:kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Message-ID:<626230583-1227615425-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214744240-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Reply-To: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT- Gig Spam From: kalimbaman7@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:17:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:17:07 +0000 (UTC) Kevin KalimbaMan Spears performing with Col. Bruce Hampton (of Aquarian Rescue Unit fame) this Friday Nov 28th, 7pm @ Variety Playhouse, Atlanta Ga.....Be there! Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:45:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75C663BE8E; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <87542.92119.qm@web50302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <881353.90857.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:45:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 14:45:09.0304 (UTC) FILETIME=[69FB2B80:01C94F0C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Oh, probably 3 months or so for the timeline. Sometimes I get side-tracked on multiple projects and delay things but that seems like a reasonable timeline to me. If earlier, then all the better. Glad you enjoyed the CDs! And I love the idea of the Box Set. I never thought of that...was it Chris that suggested it? Or Ted at Y2K8? I can't recall. I could put all my CDs in one box and sell for a major discount. That would be 12 of them with me solo or in duo/group projects. 12 for let's say $40? Call it the K-Mart bluelight special. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hey Kris, what kind of a time frame are you looking at to get this > done? I tried to do a band concept like this in the '80's, (Ornette > meets James Brown with a dash of Police) but the world was not > ready... I have a funky little drum machine and a bunch of percussion > toys, drums, basses, and guitars to work with. Not sure if it will be > au courant, but it would be funky. My main problem is time due to > work, but have some vacation time coming up. I'll have some technical > learning to do, but this idea is very motivating to climb the learning > curve. BTW, I've listened to all the CD's we bought and you gave us > at Loopfest and enjoyed them. Thanks again for the generous gift. We > just need the box and booklet for the box set! > > David Sackman > > > On 11/24/08, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> No problem. Thanks. I'm always looking for new things to do with other >> musicians. >> Kris >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> You're right, apparently I missed the point. Best of luck with the >> project. >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Krispen Hartung >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:30:55 PM >> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> >> >> >Definitely if the riddim is there, and the butt moves, >> >probably >> 80% of the house is built. >> >> >> Which is why I suspect Kris is going to have a hard time finding a taker, >> because he's essentially asking someone else to write his album for him. >> But >> you never know. >> >> Well, I had a few takers in the first 10 minutes after I send the >> message, >> and I expect many more, so I'm not sure what this reflects on your >> comment. >> I expect this to be a collaboration, not just someone laying down a >> foundation and me adding the icing on the cake. >> >> Honestly, if I was capable/willing to come up with a CD-length collection >> of >> booty-shaking beats and bass lines in the latest dance genre, the first >> person I would be calling to play on it would NOT be a musician who >> wanted >> "to portray a serious representation of jazz influences creative music >> over >> popular rhythm." Nope. I would be auditioning attractive female singers, >> cutting a single, and shopping it. >> >> That would be really inspiring. Do it! I'm sure you will sell millions >> of >> copies, since no one appears to be combining booty shaking beats and >> female >> singers. Nope...that's a rarity in the music scene for sure. ;-) >> >> Kris, if I were you, I would look in to getting some of the >> latest/greatest >> sample CD's and use those. Maybe you colud augment the tracks with a live >> rhythm section after you've laid down your own playing. >> >> Been there, done that, man. Fuck, it's not a matter of me not being able >> to >> do the shit myself, but about the collaboration with another person. You >> missed the point, I'm afraid. I like to colloborate with other >> musicians, >> not sit in my basement and create shit in a vacuum. Making music with >> other people, imo, is a beautiful thing. I produces a product that each >> person could never do on their own. Chemistry. >> >> Kris >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84EB93BE9E; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:48:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811250125q7b7d9b01ma71e98cd54faceeb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:48:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9966_01C94ED2.397CF900" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 14:48:40.0025 (UTC) FILETIME=[E794A490:01C94F0C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:48:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_9966_01C94ED2.397CF900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yeah, that's the stuff. A DJ/Synth/Mix guy once asked me to sit in with = him at a club, and this is exactly what I did. His group was called = Orgasmotron, or something like that. He did his thing, and I played = free jazz phrases, chords, and passages over what he did, as = complimentary as I could. It seemed to work. I think the grooves plus = the tension release that I was buidling really fucked with peoples' = heads, which is what I like to do.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything = you want over that and get away with it, within reason. This is exactly what my whole band concept was in the late 80=B4s, we = had a really dance oriented rythym, with really weird shit on top. I got = the idea from a quote from Eno, regarding his and Byrnes album "My Life = in the bush of ghosts..." So, maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, = whatever the big thing is now. I'm totally behind.=20 Over here the current big thing is Dubstep... (sounds like danceable = Triphop to my ears...) Nice Idea Kris, wish I had the time... m --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_NextPart_000_9966_01C94ED2.397CF900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yeah, that's the stuff.  A = DJ/Synth/Mix guy=20 once asked me to sit in with him at a club, and this is exactly what I = did. His=20 group was called Orgasmotron, or something like that.  He did his = thing,=20 and I played free jazz phrases, chords, and passages over what he did, = as=20 complimentary as I could. It seemed to work.  I think the grooves = plus the=20 tension release that I was buidling really fucked with peoples' heads, = which is=20 what I like to do.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 
 Once=20 you hook them with rhythm, then you can do just about anything you = want over=20 that and get away with it, within reason.

This is exactly what my whole band concept was in the late = 80=B4s, we=20 had a really dance oriented rythym, with really weird shit on top. I = got the=20 idea from a quote from Eno, regarding his and Byrnes album "My Life in = the=20 bush of ghosts..."

So,=20 maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever = the big=20 thing is now. I'm totally behind.

Over here the current big thing is Dubstep... (sounds like = danceable=20 Triphop to my ears...)

Nice Idea Kris, wish I had the =20 time...

m

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http://www.myspace.com/mark= francombe
www.looop.no
------=_NextPart_000_9966_01C94ED2.397CF900-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:52:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56E9C3BE90; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <66f9cc1e0811250213l3819a1f2od8ad0f9b96e4b4ba@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:52:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 14:52:37.0235 (UTC) FILETIME=[74F80430:01C94F0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:52:38 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > In order to not > being trapped in "experimental composing" I focused on first-take > recording and improvisation. Looping was the technical solution that > made it possible. Exactly my thoughts, and this is what I did with both of my CDs with Robert Sterling. We were sending each other wav files, but when we recorded our parts over them, we treated them as if they were live parts and we were improvising with them in real-time. If you can get in that mode of thought, then it gets damn close to creating what you could do in a live collaborative setting, except that the communication is only one way...sort of like recording live with someone but with a 1 day delay. :) > What I would like to do next - whenever I get the time for it - is to > create music that balances four parts: weird playing, story-telling > musical qualities, pop-style format thinking and DAW techno oriented > production and sound design. I had a chance to try out these ideas > briefly when doing the remix http://www.myspace.com/klaperemixed (2. > Skoro Sam Se Junak Ozenio...) That would be cool. Yes, when you get the time...that's always my same exception. There is not enough time in the week to do the things I want musically. Kris > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:52:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EE233BEC1; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227624768; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=F4qy02hOBIhO5++lDsyP3kg2FFk=; b=bPVo4UaAo7F4QVMUY0lCtwO6NBANtZXFBUQfTcn4SSgeSBxB5YnETnFtcPXXShVg mNKu5UX0atcaeH+ZQSz+HZABQ2iLUelWI4AkxElYDStUQmxVYyy34q+za7GvodST; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=xGoLGvJHVVYew-bKKVgA:9 a=JUfx1IRQP34WzfMqyX8A:7 a=gkQltsT9y7-X3d0cAioGVF8dMKIA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <003301c94f0d$8dcc10a0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: , References: <626230583-1227615425-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214744240-@bxe108.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Subject: Re: OT- Gig Spam Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:52:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <3zFrND.A.Z8D.BFBLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:52:49 +0000 (UTC) That should be a gas! I used to catch the Aquarian Rescue Unit and even back in the old days Hamptons Grease Band when I lived in Atlanta. Always fun! You guys should get along great. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:17 AM Subject: OT- Gig Spam > Kevin KalimbaMan Spears performing with Col. Bruce Hampton (of Aquarian > Rescue Unit fame) this Friday Nov 28th, 7pm @ Variety Playhouse, Atlanta > Ga.....Be there! > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 11/24/2008 2:36 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:55:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F52A3BEA6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:55:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9980_01C94ED3.2B020B30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 14:55:25.0107 (UTC) FILETIME=[D9074030:01C94F0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_9980_01C94ED3.2B020B30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, since I am getting so many responses, yes, I think I might do = this. Ted sent me some files, which are really cool. This would be sort = of like the project I did a few years ago, called Xperimentus, with = several guys on this list: Mark, Fabio, Rainer, and several others. = Maybe I can get it down to three people who contribute the rhythm = tracks, perhaps 4-5 tracks each.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Max S=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:36 AM Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Hi Kris sounds interesting. Would you consider using rhythmic tracks/beats = from various different musicians? I would love to take part but alas = time to devote to a full album of tracks might be difficult a this time. = If yuo fancy hearing some of my stuff: www.myspace.com/maxstarcke Regards, Max Starcke On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen Hartung = wrote: Hello all, I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I have had = this concept of how to make avant-garde music more appealing to the = common crowd. I realized that in many cases the key to getting people = hooked initially is rhythm. I guess you can call this a conclusion of my = practical research of playing several genres of music to average = audiences for the last 20 years. Once you hook them with rhythm, then = you can do just about anything you want over that and get away with it, = within reason. So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find someone to = create a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and bass = lines. It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as simple = or complex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that the tracks = are between 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, = they can make people move on the dance floor. And what I mean by "move" = is mock fucking, if you know what I mean. :) We've all seen them on the = dance floor, right? The rhythm has got to make the pelvis move. So, = maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever the = big thing is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks in wav = file format (via my server), after which I record over the top of them = with some really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures, = random stuff, soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing = that taps into my jazz background. I want to portray a serious = representation of jazz influences creative music over popular rhythm. Any takers? If you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track = of what you might consider representative of a larger set of tracks. Kris ************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com 1-208-724-5603=20 ------=_NextPart_000_9980_01C94ED3.2B020B30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, since I am getting so many = responses, yes, I=20 think I might do this. Ted sent me some files, which are really = cool.  This=20 would be sort of like the project I did a few years ago, called = Xperimentus,=20 with several guys on this list: Mark, Fabio, Rainer, and several = others. =20 Maybe I can get it down to three people who contribute the rhythm = tracks,=20 perhaps 4-5 tracks each.
 
Kris
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Max S=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, = 2008 3:36=20 AM
Subject: Re: New CD Project - = Looking for=20 a Partner

Hi Kris
 
sounds interesting. Would you consider using rhythmic = tracks/beats=20 from various different musicians? I would love to take part but alas = time to=20 devote to a full album of tracks might be difficult a this time. If = yuo fancy=20 hearing some of my stuff: www.myspace.com/maxstarcke=
 
Regards,
Max Starcke

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Krispen = Hartung <info@krispenhartung.com>=20 wrote:
Hello=20 all,

I have a CD concept I want to do. For a few years now, I =  have had this concept of how to make avant-garde music more = appealing=20 to the common crowd. I realized that in many cases the key to = getting people=20 hooked initially is rhythm. I guess you can call this a conclusion = of my=20 practical research of playing several genres of music to average = audiences=20 for the last 20 years. Once you hook them with rhythm, then you can = do just=20 about anything you want over that and get away with it, within=20 reason.

So, what I'm thinking for the project is that I find = someone=20 to create a CD's length of tracks that include only percussion and = bass=20 lines.  It could use samples, rhythm generators, looping, be as = simple=20 or complex as one likes, etc. All that is important is that the = tracks are=20 between 3 and 6 minutes, and that they groove hard...in other words, = they=20 can make people move on the dance floor.  And what I mean by = "move" is=20 mock fucking, if you know what I mean. :)  We've all seen them = on the=20 dance floor, right?  The rhythm has got to make the pelvis = move. So,=20 maybe it is a mixture of acid jazz grooves, triphop, house, whatever = the big=20 thing is now. I'm totally behind. Then you share your tracks in wav = file=20 format (via my server), after which I record over the top of them = with some=20 really far out free jazz, free improv guitar stuff, textures, random = stuff,=20 soloing, etc. I expect to do mostly non-ambient playing that taps = into my=20 jazz background. I want to portray a serious representation of jazz=20 influences creative music over popular rhythm.

Any takers? =  If=20 you are interested, send me at 30 second or so track of what you = might=20 consider representative of a larger set of=20 tracks.

Kris

**************
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com
1-208-724-5603=20

------=_NextPart_000_9980_01C94ED3.2B020B30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 14:56:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94CF23BEB6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.124.251] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:56:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_998F_01C94ED3.47BD3CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2008 14:56:13.0074 (UTC) FILETIME=[F59E6F20:01C94F0D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:56:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_998F_01C94ED3.47BD3CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey, that would be outstanding. Can you send me a sample? I'll send = you a note personally too. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof beats = I would probably go for deep African grooves.=20 my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_998F_01C94ED3.47BD3CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey, that would be outstanding.  = Can you send=20 me a sample?  I'll send you a note personally too.
 
Kris
 
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Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof = beats I=20 would probably go for deep African grooves.
 
my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com

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------=_NextPart_000_998F_01C94ED3.47BD3CE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 16:17:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78D33BEA6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0810261809h39390055s56d637af9aacd12a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: New Vimeo Group Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:17:17 -0300 References: <9ea2f30b0810261809h39390055s56d637af9aacd12a@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:17:52 +0000 (UTC) wow, I just saw this now I had the same idea and made http://www.vimeo.com/livelooping On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:09, Todd Matthews wrote: > It was pretty easy to set up the Vimeo group. > > > www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers > > It could be a place to have great looping videos all in one spot and > it also has a calender so everyone can have their events/gigs all > posted on same the calender! This could be really cool. > > > Todd > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 16:46:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1121C3BEB6; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sfbIZpde/jAHZfBriPy4m+XVllv+lVP/cKfF+ANxCEM=; b=o07lydVqMhnkhfF2LdF6nMYye55hH/gUIw1ZJiv+h7MT6uZwQTPPf4ogqhY4+tRn/n P1NLmJkZKvCRbr9gTawx9SFU0HlsKvVAb6+LDjydKx1khvs23+hA2uVDne3tChpNphXD FUkDwTU/de8Ha9QPgUoXcIwOX33D4PVBeFnMU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=C6/mBvpcJCBlht90l79e7aSNpx1l7oEtSqdxriz4vFk/Yy2Z7TakqPTwq4OnPUx6H4 +91joyG/2oaJRNugOVRTLcLc9J79n4UFMVRN0dZgm8HrRrxLQ1iNmBQjXAi5Dcc7ZSx0 6ZpSslseh2jPtytepgRSW2ZACKveD5QTtS2Ck= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811250846w2401c2dhaf17352235ddf70c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:46:10 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Vimeo Group In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ea2f30b0810261809h39390055s56d637af9aacd12a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Oh I didn't realize you had already started one! I'll send a message out on the one I started, that we can combine on to your channel. That way we can can be one big happy family:) Todd On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: > wow, I just saw this now > I had the same idea and made > http://www.vimeo.com/livelooping > > On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:09, Todd Matthews wrote: > >> It was pretty easy to set up the Vimeo group. >> >> >> www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers >> >> It could be a place to have great looping videos all in one spot and >> it also has a calender so everyone can have their events/gigs all >> posted on same the calender! This could be really cool. >> >> >> Todd >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 18:13:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FFB03BEB9; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:12:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: echoplex questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:13:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Travis! This is most helpful. BTW, the travel of my feedback pedal was weird - it didn't do anything for half the distance, so it was hard to control. I have taken to using the knob instead; the way I use the feedback control, that's really all I need. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 18:16:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C637A3BEB9; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:16:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 73484 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:16:29 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from :subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=DQt2jnKx9nV84Tpd8AXIi+HfCBdSGf34+mQAALJV+2g=; b=qpXUVQ5JE0nbdiQp3L3N6+A4+Gn6/T8pWecMRnKhD1ccvoHLadZ0QWHmvoQb0NuXQU qOreJ33SsdPx3pI21sEZUamI22aV02McBjsXucKZQrC7ktOf6nRZdi7Bya8VwBVkepl+ JwjruvD+1/p2pKnZr7Y2EpnapziPwzHdbD4JA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id :content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RW0pH6Z6q5dvxyTWeWJXXaKbmwlIPufKo7QsiUesUVlUhIIXNSBgEne6t0FA9nS6wN wfbKaReLWj3/lJEgFZC2fVROzdvwpVGpg8LXmTVUN1EyBmOksFUdkDkwfe0S0WkEqKVj YBACMy23XiAKeLgXeVjRRiC9cUVnITjSb7yJI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: topu lyo Subject: Re: echoplex questions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:16:11 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:16:29 +0000 (UTC) travis i think you hit it on the head with this one the multi-increase. does anyone know if you can multi increase when the quantize setting is turned off? thx for your suggestions everyone. i will read up on p 127!!!! On Nov 24, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Actually, I'm mistaken, I think you've got the MultiIncrease going. > See p. 127 in the EDP+ manual: > > Predetermine the final cycle count of a Multiply or Insert. > > Multiply has a feature to aid in creating very long multiplies, called > MultiIncrease. MultiIncreaseis also useful when you know exactly how > many multiples you want to do in advance. > Instead of waiting until the end of the Multiply to make the second > press > of the Multiply button, now you can immediately tap in as many > Multiples as you want in the beginning of the multiplying. The > Echoplex > will automatically complete that many multiply Cycles for you. This > same function is also available for Insert, however for simplicity > we will > just describe it in terms of Multiply. > MultiIncrease is very helpful for situations where you want to have > a large > number of multiples and you don't want to wait to the very end to > remember to press Multiply a second time. This way you can set up in > advance how far it will multiply and let it go while you continue > playing. > MultiIncrease is in addition to the normal Multiply operation, so the > standard use is not affected. > > > [There's more info in the manual, also available as a PDF on the LD > site]. > > TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 18:18:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E6C373BEC0; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:18:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XETEQGmR4vdDUaz+4OMqsgEIJHQbfPr/KUi0baijVxo=; b=s4bY0+D4y66dwDFQd3YTcRmss/c2kaQwHOWiM5Awwx2UV7oEseYYd9mWEl2YEFRjUt OFTXygTTi4MtpbR4pOWMQg1HopYsKnHzAY+JzBAefR4rBCS4ke7LV01Zyz3dYWTlQ4mK al9oo2od79DrztD1M4B0jCCio1IDGidYyPBRo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=fP7pHyJyRBgmkXQWcqaYGUlvSk6Q/0ipMhYYGsEpxqCReawq8TK3S1GRX0v4QZdv8m YoerB7qqGKt1z0D8T+7sT4ioPbgqzNjEhUGgvXb9T69NsSgwpHUpalK0mDXcGy9xcaWE eouTbklAw/blT6Hhzxou7xGTtYsFrgNTmp7jA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 10:18:09 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: echoplex questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6901_15735553.1227637089334" References: <20081124223448.253F53BE8D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:18:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6901_15735553.1227637089334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, that happens depending on the design of your pedal. The Ernie Ball I first tried to use works like that. When I switched over the FCB, I programmed my feedback pedal to only cover the range of like, 75-128. I use two EDP's sync'ed, and on the second one if I want to do the "one repeat" improv thing, I dial it in manually from the front panel. TH On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:12 AM, David Gans wrote: > > > Thanks Travis! This is most helpful. > > BTW, the travel of my feedback pedal was weird - it didn't do anything for > half the distance, so it was hard to control. I have taken to using the > knob instead; the way I use the feedback control, that's really all I need. ------=_Part_6901_15735553.1227637089334 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yeah, that happens depending on the design of your pedal.  The Ernie Ball I first tried to use works like that.  When I switched over the FCB, I programmed my feedback pedal to only cover the range of like, 75-128.  I use two EDP's sync'ed, and on the second one if I want to do the "one repeat" improv thing, I dial it in manually from the front panel.

TH

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:12 AM, David Gans <david@trufun.com> wrote:


Thanks Travis!  This is most helpful.

BTW, the travel of my feedback pedal was weird - it didn't do anything for half the distance, so it was hard to control.  I have taken to using the knob instead; the way I use the feedback control, that's really all I need.

------=_Part_6901_15735553.1227637089334-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Nov 25 19:08:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D21943BE91; Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4D971297-A8D8-4F70-8207-0C01F4D28A21@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-224826364 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:08:49 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:08:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-224826364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yo Max Would you be using real drummers or what? I'd be curious to hear it. RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hey, that would be outstanding. Can you send me a sample? I'll > send you a note personally too. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof > beats I would probably go for deep African grooves. > > my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-1-224826364 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yo Max

Would = you be using real drummers or what?  I'd be curious to hear = it.

RICHARD SALES
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On = Nov 25, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Hey, that would be outstanding.  Can you = send me a sample?  I'll send you a note personally = too.
 
Kris
 
----- = Original Message -----
 
Max here again. I live in Cape Town = South Africa so in term sof beats I would probably go for deep African = grooves.
 
my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com

<= /div>

RICHARD SALES
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 02:20:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 477753BE87; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=H5IC3Sukcoya6rxMDJ7f7SufbQbYaeARqun0mGvnbUCPJL8DcU4gi0T8PG4JFU9EPOyNJDpdfoSTvsHtPthirGSGnkMpDyFkHNN9npfGfATgC36xFbmjSX4rCACmPRR4uXl3EW8cSjDrS7xknh+4Lkc1UeorFLi7p8eesb1mfPc=; X-YMail-OSG: YDCzsjwVM1mnJPAllndWi0fHptOrX4RAf9A6OJEdEx0N9yvMuV8POWjOs4_3w5RWKh2pFG_W07Q_0fu64.stbQ05zpyHrZiA_Z6xpJpVKaJvwktfIl2oUWjyRu7goTKeO.eJ.RuSiPzHNGe9VchttJOSXmOsSU5WD6Q_DFAbppatJdsplOqnsgNT6INpgr4qfzChbRpjoJKuGyM- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:20:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <15909.63124.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Just my 2 cents on this,i am trying out the Digitech vocalist 4 at the moment,very nice and the telphone radio efx are there without the feedback drawback,very twaekable and it also sounds definetly nicer than the harmony G,you cannot beat the price for a harmonizer with IQ,vox fxs processor and simple acoustic guitar fx processor as well,and its still cheaper than buying the voice tone create and the harmony G together, my only wish is that it was smaller! www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Fri, 11/21/08, Mech wrote: > From: Mech > Subject: Re: Voicetone Create (was: RC-50 vs. Laptop Setup: cost comparison) > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:50 AM > At 12:27 AM +0100 11/21/08, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > >> Oh, it'll do those "telephone type" > effects. There's a distortion > >> block that'll allow you to re-EQ for all > kinds of effects like that, > >> IIRC. > > > > did you really get any decent "telephone > effect"? > > Well, for the short time I was kicking it around, sounded > pretty good to me. But I was using it purely in a studio > context and not live. > > > I always ended up with so much feedback - I gave it > up. > > Ah, now that's a slightly different issue. I'm > pretty sure that it's sorta linked to the nature of the > effect. Back 20 years ago when I was mixing live sound for > a friend's band, the same thing almost drove me insane. > They had a song where they wanted the same effect (I was > using a standard graphic eq for this at the time). Every > time I kicked it in, it was a complete crapshoot whether I > would wind up with howling feedback or not. Seems most of > the mid-band frequencies you accentuate for the effect are > also in the sweet spot for the room resonance of most > venues. > > Finally figured that, for a live effect, the most stable > thing to do is to turn it into a telephone effect before it > ever gets to the microphone. Easiest way to do this is to > buy a cheap used megaphone (the crappier the better), turn > it down to a manageable level, and have the vocalist sing > through it about a foot off the microphone. > > Not only did that work for us, I actually saw the singer > for The Fall (amongst others) use that same technique a few > years later. > > > Good point you made: it's not only for vocals. > Whenever you need decent reverbs in you chain. > > Too bad it's only MonoIn>mono/stereoOut > > Thanks! Only upside of the Mono In thing is that *most* of > us would only be mic-ing a single amp -- at least for a > single effect. If you're running a stereo pair, odds > are that you want individual control over each amp, so > you'd have two Creates in your chain anyway. :) > > --m. > -- _____ > "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts > no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 07:02:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE3FE3BE8B; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:00:42 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #606 for November 13 and #607 for November 20, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <492CF41A.4030904@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:02:03 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081113.html http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/081120.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #606 November 13, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk two from Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 on AmbientLive Records. Awakenings: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Ashley, Roedelius, gefallig errata (ne-pen-the) and Story Rudy Adrin Saguaro Silhouette Desert Realms (Lotuspike) Ron Boots track #7 Mea Culpa (Groove) Ticochet Gathering Sounds from a Okefenokee 2000 Southern Marshland (ImperialTeutonic) Broekhuis, Keller, Deeper Silence Live @ Dorfkirhe Repelen 2 and Schonwalder (Manikin) VA [Rogue Element] Space Junk Awakenings 2006 Volume 1 disk 2 (AmbientLive) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Nick Robinson] Spring Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Starseed Live inMelbourne Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Transmission] part 2 VA [Rene van der Blue Traveller Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Wouden] VA [HyperEx Machina] Icethrone Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Astrogator] Standing Waves Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Glen Alexander] Alien Landscapes Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) part 1 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview === Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #607 November 20, 2008 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk one from Awakenings 2006 Volume 2 on AmbientLive Records. Awakenings: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2008/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Tangerine Dream Wisdom and Tragedy Tangram 2008 (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Dragon In the House Tangram 2008 (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Wu Wei Tangram 2008 (Eastgate) Tangerine Dream Leaving the Masters Tangram 2008 (Eastgate) for Good Indra Quick Movement Signs (none) Antrilon Invasion Earth Mind Erase (none) Klaus Schulze Moogetique Body Love Volume 2 (Revisited) VA [Xan Alexanser] Omnicron Awakenings 2006 Volume 2 disk 2 (AmbientLive) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Brendan Pollard] Modac Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) VA [Rene van der Mountain Steamer Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Wouden] VA [Create] Saturn Dreaming of Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Mercury part 1 VA [Broekhuis, Another Mystery Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) Keller & Concert Tape Ch.1 Schonwalder] VA [Entity] Space and Time Awakenings 2006 (AmbientLive) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on the Awakenings concert series in the UK. The Featured CD at Midnight will be disk two from Awakenings 2006 Volume 2 on AmbientLive Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EST (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://war.str3am.com:7880/listen.pls http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy.asx http://mysite.verizon.net/schlhserky/wdiystreamtests/hearwdiy2.ram To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 07:32:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB78D3BE91; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:32:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:31:47 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for November 22, 2008 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Message-id: <492CFB63.3040708@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:32:58 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2008/081122.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #141 November 22, 2008 On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music magazine. Each contemporary issue comes with a CD. However, the early isses came with a cassette. The cassettes from issues one through thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic slip covers with artwork and track details. Details are at: http://sequencesmagazine.com Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Kistenmacher] Beautiful Moments Sequences No. 4 VA [Hendric] Dance of the Gods Sequences No. 4 VA [Akikaze] The Light In Out Sequences No. 4 Eyes Indra Passion Around Colosseum (none) Tangerine Dream Das Romantische Das Romantische Opfer Opfer (Eastgate) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== DaKsha Nights In Serampur Ascendent (Neurodisc) Lawler and Holland Planting the Seed Planting the Seed (Geminisun) Lawler and Holland Awakenings Planting the Seed (Geminisun) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Takara Angel of Lies Invitation To Forever (ProgRock) Rewiring Genesis The Lamb Lies Down A Tribute To The Lamb Lies On Broadway Down On Broadway (ProgRock) Rewiring Genesis Fly On a Windshield ATTTLLDOB (ProgRock) Rewiring Genesis Broadway Melody of ATTTLLDOB (ProgRock) 1974 Rewiring Genesis Cuckoo Cocoon ATTTLLDOB (ProgRock) Martin Orford Prelude The Old Road (Giant Electric Pea) Spock's Beard Dreaming In the Age Spock's Beard (InsideOut) of Answers Spock's Beard Here's a Man Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Spock's Beard They Know We Know Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Spock's Beard Stream of Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Unconsciousness Ozric Tentacles Bolshem The Floor's Too Far Away (Magna Carta) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDRs that come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click one of the LISTEN NOW links at the top right corner of the page or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm or http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh/WMUH.ram Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. 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DIRECT LINE: +234-703-294-9050 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 11:18:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C5793BE8D; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:18:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 03:18:20 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS: recommendation needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:18:22 +0000 (UTC) I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating with very lo fi, toy video cameras. I want to spend between $500 and $1,000 and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market. I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when the units are shipped from the factory. How important is contrast ratio? Overall lumens? I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise on this forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy. 1) the cheaper the better, obviously, but my range is $1,000 and under 2) I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the scale of my performance and that of the video is about the same) 3) I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors conceivable. 4) It would be best if the size is as small as possible, but I'd rather have a larger projector if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good. Can you help me with recommendations? The Thansgiving/Christmas sales are going to be slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time to try and invest. Thanks, in advance for your expertise (Mark? Emile? others?) yours, gratefully Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 12:02:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57A1C3BE82; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=u7qMAAGwSt218HhIrweaTNFbnNz1Vpji4zo436XwtnU=; b=VwbAdgVT7ttpoWn/YxxOIc3BX3captl2dhTPVKV4nI7YhS4MyW34GGJCYEh6wlfCjg 7T+EU+uGe6xCxMR2XX0MHEB0cX1vCY1uB0KHx1ZhE+q5uQZawcSkzOwlDyE8AheMbBxl j/VBPcK4KK1Pjo24oC/rM2lkkpMMXeoiG8IdU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ruRmpjzMzFek1WFypNcNWpRlVVsmlLGtLNtdjkkIBNblhBtqudSQ/NAkZk5gtEpIeX kjshVZOXb+8h/jHo542gAcijJczRO8AZ0wBq+u/r2QeOse4Am3a/dPGBFVce9rLqv2dr l0dCoemG2VzWiAypFhkneIw2V26a204uzJpRI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811260402m579627a4u6687415106c3a034@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:02:48 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS: recommendation needed In-Reply-To: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23219_17177200.1227700968783" References: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 877622b6b5787e1c Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:02:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23219_17177200.1227700968783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dont realy have a clue, except to say that small does NOT always mean bad.. but for gig situations you must try to get the brightest possible as stage lighting will just wipe out a poor projection. A good idea is to invest in a wide angle lense so that you can keep the projector close, or on stage, but still project big enough. As for quality? Why do you want that then, I thought your films were LO FI... In the good old days (The Eighties) my old band had video projections of our (fictional) singer (stereo sound track , vocals left backing track (drummachine) right.)... Video projectors were really BAD (and heavy) back then, and had 3 lenses one for each colour. We used to purposely readjust them incorrectly, for that psychedelic crazy colour blur effect!!! Ahhh ...fun times... On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector > to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating > with very lo fi, toy video cameras. > > I want to spend between $500 and $1,000 > and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market. > > I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by > making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when > the units are shipped from the factory. > > How important is contrast ratio? Overall lumens? > I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise > on this > forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy. > > 1) the cheaper the better, obviously, but my range is $1,000 and under > 2) I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the > scale of my performance > and that of the video is about the same) > 3) I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors > conceivable. > 4) It would be best if the size is as small as possible, but I'd rather > have a larger projector > if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good. > > Can you help me with recommendations? The Thansgiving/Christmas sales > are going to be > slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time > to try and invest. > > Thanks, in advance for your expertise (Mark? Emile? others?) > > yours, gratefully Rick Walker > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_23219_17177200.1227700968783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dont realy have a clue, except to say that small does NOT always mean bad.. but for gig situations you must try to get the brightest possible as stage lighting will just wipe out a poor projection. A good idea is to invest in a wide angle lense so that you can keep the projector close, or on stage, but still project big enough.
As for quality? Why do you want that then, I thought your films were LO FI... In the good old days (The Eighties) my old band had video projections of our (fictional) singer (stereo sound track , vocals left backing track (drummachine) right.)... Video projectors were really BAD (and heavy) back then, and had 3 lenses one for each colour. We used to purposely readjust them incorrectly, for that psychedelic crazy colour blur effect!!!

Ahhh ...fun times...



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector
to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating
with very lo fi, toy video cameras.

I want to spend between $500 and $1,000
and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market.

I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by
making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when
the units are shipped from the factory.

How important is contrast ratio?   Overall lumens?    
I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise on this
forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy.

1)  the cheaper the better, obviously,  but my range is $1,000 and under
2)  I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the scale of my performance
and that of the video is about the same)
3)  I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors conceivable.
4)  It would be best if the size is as small as possible,  but I'd rather have a larger projector
if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good.

Can you help me with recommendations?     The Thansgiving/Christmas sales are going to be
slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time to try and invest.

Thanks, in advance for your expertise   (Mark?   Emile?   others?)

yours, gratefully  Rick Walker




--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
------=_Part_23219_17177200.1227700968783-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 12:20:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B8F3BE95; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:20:32 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <492C8CD5.3020901@zwieble.com> Message-ID: <20081126122032.16840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <492C8CD5.3020901@zwieble.com> Subject: Re: rc-50 a/b switch To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18h6a19L34hadcx7/bAZwg7y1Fc3g3DVWdm7/xOth j9PQc0DofmJ8I6dbRE80C6enZn8iYA1Ada7Q== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: X0pMLf1na0A7e8h0jjAzRnU/Njh6dI4w X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:20:34 +0000 (UTC) > I was reading your loopers-delight comment about using the a/b switch > song parts in multi-mode. So, how did that go in performance? Yeah, I mentioned the RC-50 A/B Switch ("Mixed Mode"): - Use RC-50 in Multi-Mode (Tempo Sync, no Rhythm Guide) - Route Loop1 -> Main OUT - Route Loop2 -> Sub OUT - Route Loop3 -> Main+Sub OUT - Use A/B Pedal to switch between Main/Sub Out (=Loops 1+3 or 2+3) Haven't used the RC-50 that much in real performance, nevertheless some impressions concerning performance: The "mixed mode" is my favorite loop template on the RC-50. I set a basic rhythm on Loop3, define A-Part on Loop 1 (sort of works like multiply), then create Part-B on Loop2 and take it from there. Even in situations where I could use the SingleMode with 2 loops, I often prefer the MixedMode: In SingleMode (w/out Sync) you have to really time your switching perfectly. But when you switch in MixedMode - since the beat is running- you don't miss the beat. The only real drawback are loops of different length on Loop1 / Loop2: Sometimes you switch back from Loop2 to Loop1 - and you start off in the middle of the Loop! So it's a bit of a risky business... What is also nice is that you can manipulate the loop you are not hearing (i.e. reverse, change volume etc.) while you are playing the other loop. best regards Buzap -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 13:24:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6083C3BE95; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Oi3d2KDnLR9uIN7+ECRT5XT/6hH3uSDgmlAHeClS+q8=; b=gRFdkr8jX7DTlK0wqNeqZDcoHcv5sRFR1Nw9+hGkxV1DUD4sODjZ1pVfgO9gIoULaV M/oM9ImY/VwAN9Lq1KcFpumQj+APNVpUnL9wl5A0EI2EC1fnjCYvtdlxF8bka3JhxsnI I4nhBOk3TXxHPuxWx9SXnWwAHAqJqBm6yRYFs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=NK7WeIr1Okba0Mws1q/ld6Ztx8Vt1fR/ZcoXhAGn9setKJdcKE14b4qNU9SPUB1cqN llycdQUL8u5rIcJo4LLbzQJjy2GwOSGx69QCoAnDzVGZh+++KLEYD+Ivz2ZMVP6fIRFI Zs1Xofoi02de3P8uCnLZvw1Vi2fXlin7Ua2+I= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811260524w73de7945o1af58e1c68486f4a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:24:08 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS: recommendation needed In-Reply-To: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:24:12 +0000 (UTC) On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector > to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating > with very lo fi, toy video cameras. > > I want to spend between $500 and $1,000 > and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market. > > I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by > making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when > the units are shipped from the factory. > > How important is contrast ratio? Overall lumens? > I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise on this > forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy. > > 1) the cheaper the better, obviously, but my range is $1,000 and under > 2) I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the scale of my performance > and that of the video is about the same) > 3) I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors conceivable. > 4) It would be best if the size is as small as possible, but I'd rather have a larger projector > if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good. > > Can you help me with recommendations? The Thansgiving/Christmas sales are going to be > slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time to try and invest. > > Thanks, in advance for your expertise (Mark? Emile? others?) > > yours, gratefully Rick Walker Rick, I use projectors on a regularly basis when lecturing to boost up my computer screen for classes, and it seems any kind of cheap consumer machine does a good job. But this is by no means the same job as projecting live pix for concert application. I admit never having taken interest in the technical side of things and I don't use live music projectors today, but in the nineties I did a lot. Back then when we were playing around in Germany and south-east Asia we NEVER even thought about buying a projector for the simple reason that the machines you rented for a tour was many, many times better for live venue application. I went around talking to the guys that were VJ'ing and had this impression confirmed. I'm not saying the technological standard vs price ratio has not changed but I strongly advice you to personally go and talk to some guys that do AV stuff for events production renting as a business. Ask them what to get for the best live venue gig projection. Then compare their specifications to whatever you are eying at the Radioshack store. See if it makes sense buying one. Heck, here in Sweden we even rented transportation car, audio PA and a small lightning rig for single discoteque club gigs and it totally made sense! I just made a phone call a couple of weeks in advance and the guys at the renting biz had all sound and light gear loaded into cases for us when we passed by a couple of hours before the gig. Saved us gasoline costs and at least six hours of exhausting activities every time we went out for a gig and was well worth returning home with a little less money in the pocket. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 13:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4D93BE8F; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:35:37 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=g0xK4Vi/XY85R+HrTHYeGntEn12+qqpnKIE3w30x1gtz5eAnk2CbL2loovDKLcJFPUwnoLehKuRV+04oO9pSWRJ+nD4MMIH2X+BCfCnzTYs7ImkzNvpbwEGMLIJU+l0j4dWKo/4MlWf8yGpH+A1rYJHNODqwIzfuL+JIRfIQF44=; X-YMail-OSG: rYjWKaoVM1m.vSDp.EB.LcFgsAlKXCN1KCDATHa0rq8OksbzDmP6LlQ52ceL6y_kb7y5_.Cb4tGO8yvt0_jqkOCRWmgou0BEV2i1E9E_Tz5VZqDCkv8x7c65KZ4VF_YTIoZEjlO8_zlfrPp25DL_6pkMgjHeuAC0QNzY33JG1n6HhgfJlPzWVfWvYgI5 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:28:56 -0800 (PST) From: Darren Michaels Reply-To: milkdudbass@yahoo.com Subject: New Album Spam-a-roonie To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081126122032.16840@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-149961882-1227706136=:52698" Message-ID: <495696.52698.qm@web32203.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:35:37 +0000 (UTC) --0-149961882-1227706136=:52698 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Heya Loopers, I've just released an album entitled, Cumulo. Yep. It's about clouds, but it's also got tons of bass guitar and drum looping on it... in a poppy sort of way. If fact every sound on the album is a bass guitar, drum programming or my vocals. If you feel so inclined, please check it out here http://cdbaby.com/cd/dmichaels3 It's available for download here http://www.digstation.com/DarrenMichaels Thanks so much for ready and (hopefully) listening. darren www.darrenmichaelsbass.com www.myspace.com/darrenmichaelssolobassist --0-149961882-1227706136=:52698 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Heya Loopers,

I've just released an album entitled, Cumulo. Yep. It's about clouds, but it's also got tons of bass guitar and drum looping on it... in a poppy sort of way. If fact every sound on the album is a bass guitar, drum programming or my vocals.

If you feel so inclined, please check it out here
http://cdbaby.com/cd/dmichaels3
It's available for download here
http://www.digstation.com/DarrenMichaels

Thanks so much for ready and (hopefully) listening.
darren
www.darrenmichaelsbass.com
www.myspace.com/darrenmichaelssolobassist


--0-149961882-1227706136=:52698-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 14:41:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5D7D3BE8B; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=sLiYWbelRNtFb4FqQe5HKS0vrIxdW4R4FbOp/jfJP6s=; b=vLAiVu31B6QwXLYI8s36UjWvDcM9X4Eg44Y/jYtgByW/D9uISrFE5gAF65QhRt03o5 5yKlWA1pUfkA6CoxokaLvPJ3CEhShFE4jEe2VzK9JFIYvG156w7uXzjLk8I9IfG/KbX8 zs3TrOfjk4LvIW6jdMEjQma0fo2CeZzjhvKLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HQafb+afhhw6VCsud00nha2LR+q/LBX1TG2j2GcqoTk75CL0Jix7TDZTvx5wSmQIb0 06zR7PcnX/NTlsLf6PgiEqLAHPnxFEtu82X4zN41Z0lHJ7HMRoXHjS6MQRJMReLal2CD OI2CFkLQc3jspyJH6q0e9i0yXVY6dZySqYi7s= Message-ID: <9ea2f30b0811260641w644c04a9pe17395a6176fe83b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 09:41:14 -0500 From: "Todd Matthews" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT : Nanotubes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:41:15 +0000 (UTC) I pulled this from 'The Economist" and thought it was interesting. Nanotunes Nov 20th 2008 >From The Economist print edition Nanotubes made of carbon find an unexpected use CARBON nanotubes have been all the rage in chemistry over the past decade, but actual applications are thin on the ground. The tubes (cylinders a few billionths of a metre across, whose walls are made of carbon atoms) have found their way into tennis racquets and bicycles' handlebars, where they provide strength and stiffness. But Lilliputian nanoradios, nanomotors and the like have, so far, been confined to the laboratory. With luck, that fate will be avoided by the latest addition to the list. Carbon nanotubes, it turns out, can be used to make paper-thin loudspeakers. As they report in a forthcoming issue of Nano Letters, a group of researchers led by Jiang Kaili of Tsinghua University in Beijing have developed a transparent film made of nanotubes. When electrodes are attached to the ends of this film, and a signal-carrying current is passed through it, the result is a sound that matches the signal. Carbon-nanotube speakers play music with a fidelity similar to that of conventional loudspeakers. What is more, they continue to play even while they are being bent and stretched. A conventional "moving coil" loudspeaker=97like the one in your stereo=97is made of a bulky permanent magnet, a coil of copper wire and a flexible diaphragm, housed in an enclosure. When a varying electrical current is passed through the coil it creates a varying magnetic field that interacts with the field of the permanent magnet. The diaphragm moves back and forth in response to this interaction, causing pressure waves to form in the air in front of it. The listener perceives these waves as sound. Nanotubes produce sound by a different mechanism, known as the "thermoacoustic effect", which is also responsible for the thunderclap that follows a burst of lightning. Lightning is created when an electrical arc jumps between clouds, or between clouds and the ground. The arc heats the air surrounding it and causes that air to expand rapidly, producing a shock wave that is heard as thunder. With the nanotubes, variations in the electrical current cause the air surrounding the tubes to heat up (and thus expand) or cool (and thus contract), which produces pressure waves that register as sound. The beauty of generating sound this way is that no bulky magnets or moving diaphragms are needed. In fact, the thermoacoustic effect has been employed in a similar way before. In the 19th century, a device called a thermophone, which used metal sheets to generate sound, was developed. But the effect was so weak that the thermophone never took off. Dr Jiang says nanotubes produce a bigger thermoacoustic effect than metal because carbon has a lower heat capacity. More of the converted electrical signal thus ends up in the air. Potential applications of flexible and stretchable carbon-nanotube loudspeakers include speakers on clothing, windows, flags, and video and laptop screens. It helps that nanotube films continue to produce sound if torn, unlike a torn diaphragm in a conventional loudspeaker. Earphones and hearing aids might also benefit from the new approach. There is some way to go before the technology can be commercialised. The biggest task is devising a way to create the necessary films in industrial quantities. But if that can be done, the next generation of loudspeakers may be almost invisible. The speaker-banks at rock concerts will never be the same again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 16:22:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43EF53BE8F; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:22:50 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+fPcZ3Af2fTTF1oVypoAU52MLYgvg6Tu7G6mjARP bftoOmxWLjUMajkeB05mri9c5q5jUXe4sj0A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 7U8Yfc9YRkkNY91hiGVq+GNudWkvKJPQ X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:22:55 +0000 (UTC) hi Loopers speaking of "nano". Did you notice that the new Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad / NanoKeys(?) is out already? I immediately got the NanoKontrol - but I haven't connected it to my computer yet. So here are just some first impressions based on look & feel: The NanoKontrol feels good - though my expectations were a bit higher. The knobs don't settle down in the middle, and you can barely see their center (maybe highlight it with a pen?). I would have preferred controls like a pan knob that gives you tactile feedback in the center position. Oh well. The sliders feel good, really nice. Buttons are nice. You can use the buttons as touch-buttons or switches. When switching them on, the buttons are supposed to turn red. Wonder if this kind of visual feedback could be used for i.e. some Moebius settings? (or used with feedback via MIDI?) I was very much impressed by the NanoPad! It's really a Kaoss pad meets Akai MPC pads. The pads feel really really good! Too bad I don't use sampled beats anymore... If anybody has experience with setting up the NanoKontrol with Moebius - this would be really interesting. best regards Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 17:35:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA1713BE8E; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: To: References: <9ea2f30b0811260641w644c04a9pe17395a6176fe83b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811260641w644c04a9pe17395a6176fe83b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Nanotubes Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:35:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: <5dqWO.A.7CH.5jYLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:35:53 +0000 (UTC) I wrote a small blurb on this some time back for Trendhunters online magazine. http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/carbon-nanotube-sheets-new-flexible-speaker There's a video there as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Matthews" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 8:41 AM Subject: OT : Nanotubes I pulled this from 'The Economist" and thought it was interesting. Nanotunes Nov 20th 2008 >From The Economist print edition Nanotubes made of carbon find an unexpected use CARBON nanotubes have been all the rage in chemistry over the past decade, but actual applications are thin on the ground. The tubes (cylinders a few billionths of a metre across, whose walls are made of carbon atoms) have found their way into tennis racquets and bicycles' handlebars, where they provide strength and stiffness. But Lilliputian nanoradios, nanomotors and the like have, so far, been confined to the laboratory. With luck, that fate will be avoided by the latest addition to the list. Carbon nanotubes, it turns out, can be used to make paper-thin loudspeakers. As they report in a forthcoming issue of Nano Letters, a group of researchers led by Jiang Kaili of Tsinghua University in Beijing have developed a transparent film made of nanotubes. When electrodes are attached to the ends of this film, and a signal-carrying current is passed through it, the result is a sound that matches the signal. Carbon-nanotube speakers play music with a fidelity similar to that of conventional loudspeakers. What is more, they continue to play even while they are being bent and stretched. A conventional "moving coil" loudspeaker—like the one in your stereo—is made of a bulky permanent magnet, a coil of copper wire and a flexible diaphragm, housed in an enclosure. When a varying electrical current is passed through the coil it creates a varying magnetic field that interacts with the field of the permanent magnet. The diaphragm moves back and forth in response to this interaction, causing pressure waves to form in the air in front of it. The listener perceives these waves as sound. Nanotubes produce sound by a different mechanism, known as the "thermoacoustic effect", which is also responsible for the thunderclap that follows a burst of lightning. Lightning is created when an electrical arc jumps between clouds, or between clouds and the ground. The arc heats the air surrounding it and causes that air to expand rapidly, producing a shock wave that is heard as thunder. With the nanotubes, variations in the electrical current cause the air surrounding the tubes to heat up (and thus expand) or cool (and thus contract), which produces pressure waves that register as sound. The beauty of generating sound this way is that no bulky magnets or moving diaphragms are needed. In fact, the thermoacoustic effect has been employed in a similar way before. In the 19th century, a device called a thermophone, which used metal sheets to generate sound, was developed. But the effect was so weak that the thermophone never took off. Dr Jiang says nanotubes produce a bigger thermoacoustic effect than metal because carbon has a lower heat capacity. More of the converted electrical signal thus ends up in the air. Potential applications of flexible and stretchable carbon-nanotube loudspeakers include speakers on clothing, windows, flags, and video and laptop screens. It helps that nanotube films continue to produce sound if torn, unlike a torn diaphragm in a conventional loudspeaker. Earphones and hearing aids might also benefit from the new approach. There is some way to go before the technology can be commercialised. The biggest task is devising a way to create the necessary films in industrial quantities. But if that can be done, the next generation of loudspeakers may be almost invisible. The speaker-banks at rock concerts will never be the same again. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 18:01:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6758F3BE91; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=k5rWjes7oD7H3ImNCC/01dFVH+7do/rwDNtvaMd0bYc=; b=q5SgapyG4YopHZNtenkaMn4yqdCOFG9XDBvIVrzlczAtK4B+tBKccwqYNyoahXUcEd qX2pUqiBqLCWBMSVx+RFuomreXTjG83rlj8knVFswJ4BIREu6dF7FU5wxx5qyDoteRsf shCnub1fMNb1Stzx+5AupnGAeWHB852aU1im8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=oHOfnayVTSwEb1r45fC/d35leg0CNkQxXoPlv/h0+4my9n2uupmHbd8lfBPeDgiV5j nDSDiCkJVCmL+CdkZDxnF3dtUFbbf5ulHqdjCTj5C1Xlk5Euyf6u2xcsxlwxHYehgSIf w/2VVl8hafIApWtVygxI1GzA65nj/HJnodLt8= Message-ID: <55c7bc950811261001yf40cf35s63b13ce34f97cb35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:01:42 -0800 From: "paul bailey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS: recommendation needed In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811260524w73de7945o1af58e1c68486f4a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18731_18451672.1227722502620" References: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811260524w73de7945o1af58e1c68486f4a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Oeic.A.a1H.J8YLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:01:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18731_18451672.1227722502620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm using the epson s5. its solid, well reviewed and pretty cheap for what it does ($500). cheers, paul On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > > > > I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector > > to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating > > with very lo fi, toy video cameras. > > > > I want to spend between $500 and $1,000 > > and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market. > > > > I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by > > making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when > > the units are shipped from the factory. > > > > How important is contrast ratio? Overall lumens? > > I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much > expertise on this > > forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to > buy. > > > > 1) the cheaper the better, obviously, but my range is $1,000 and under > > 2) I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that > the scale of my performance > > and that of the video is about the same) > > 3) I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors > conceivable. > > 4) It would be best if the size is as small as possible, but I'd rather > have a larger projector > > if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good. > > > > Can you help me with recommendations? The Thansgiving/Christmas sales > are going to be > > slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best > time to try and invest. > > > > Thanks, in advance for your expertise (Mark? Emile? others?) > > > > yours, gratefully Rick Walker > > > > Rick, > > I use projectors on a regularly basis when lecturing to boost up my > computer screen for classes, and it seems any kind of cheap consumer > machine does a good job. But this is by no means the same job as > projecting live pix for concert application. I admit never having > taken interest in the technical side of things and I don't use live > music projectors today, but in the nineties I did a lot. Back then > when we were playing around in Germany and south-east Asia we NEVER > even thought about buying a projector for the simple reason that the > machines you rented for a tour was many, many times better for live > venue application. I went around talking to the guys that were VJ'ing > and had this impression confirmed. > > I'm not saying the technological standard vs price ratio has not > changed but I strongly advice you to personally go and talk to some > guys that do AV stuff for events production renting as a business. Ask > them what to get for the best live venue gig projection. Then compare > their specifications to whatever you are eying at the Radioshack > store. See if it makes sense buying one. Heck, here in Sweden we even > rented transportation car, audio PA and a small lightning rig for > single discoteque club gigs and it totally made sense! I just made a > phone call a couple of weeks in advance and the guys at the renting > biz had all sound and light gear loaded into cases for us when we > passed by a couple of hours before the gig. Saved us gasoline costs > and at least six hours of exhausting activities every time we went out > for a gig and was well worth returning home with a little less money > in the pocket. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://twitter.com/pbailey ------=_Part_18731_18451672.1227722502620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline i'm using the epson s5.

 its solid, well reviewed and pretty cheap for what it does ($500).

cheers,

paul

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector
> to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating
> with very lo fi, toy video cameras.
>
> I want to spend between $500 and $1,000
> and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market.
>
> I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by
> making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when
> the units are shipped from the factory.
>
> How important is contrast ratio?   Overall lumens?
> I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise on this
> forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy.
>
> 1)  the cheaper the better, obviously,  but my range is $1,000 and under
> 2)  I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the scale of my performance
> and that of the video is about the same)
> 3)  I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors conceivable.
> 4)  It would be best if the size is as small as possible,  but I'd rather have a larger projector
> if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good.
>
> Can you help me with recommendations?     The Thansgiving/Christmas sales are going to be
> slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time to try and invest.
>
> Thanks, in advance for your expertise   (Mark?   Emile?   others?)
>
> yours, gratefully  Rick Walker



Rick,

I use projectors on a regularly basis when lecturing to boost up my
computer screen for classes, and it seems any kind of cheap consumer
machine does a good job. But this is by no means the same job as
projecting live pix for concert application. I admit never having
taken interest in the technical side of things and I don't use live
music projectors today, but in the nineties I did a lot. Back then
when we were playing around in Germany and south-east Asia we NEVER
even thought about buying a projector for the simple reason that the
machines you rented for a tour was many, many times better for live
venue application. I went around talking to the guys that were VJ'ing
and had this impression confirmed.

I'm not saying the technological standard vs price ratio has not
changed but I strongly advice you to personally go and talk to some
guys that do AV stuff for events production renting as a business. Ask
them what to get for the best live venue gig projection. Then compare
their specifications to whatever you are eying at the Radioshack
store. See if it makes sense buying one. Heck, here in Sweden we even
rented transportation car, audio PA and a small lightning rig for
single discoteque club gigs and it totally made sense! I just made a
phone call a couple of weeks in advance and the guys at the renting
biz had all sound and light gear loaded into cases for us when we
passed by a couple of hours before the gig. Saved us gasoline costs
and at least six hours of exhausting activities every time we went out
for a gig and was well worth returning home with a little less money
in the pocket.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
http://twitter.com/pbailey
------=_Part_18731_18451672.1227722502620-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 19:43:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CA6B3BEA0; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <32F499AE-78BD-41D4-B2DD-0D4A856A4819@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9ea2f30b0811250846w2401c2dhaf17352235ddf70c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: New Vimeo Group Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:42:14 -0300 References: <9ea2f30b0810261809h39390055s56d637af9aacd12a@mail.gmail.com> <9ea2f30b0811250846w2401c2dhaf17352235ddf70c@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <4VvDwB.A.YHD._baLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:43:59 +0000 (UTC) wow, beautiful! I started rather silently because I wanted to be ready with a nice collection and a concept for it all. then Icaue was born and I forgot about everything ;-) but one thing he pointed at these days: we should put out what we learned and recorded, organized, in a way that it helps listeners! I want to create categories or "livelooping styles" to simplify the understanding of our very versatile musical language. danger is that someone listens to one kind of livelooping and thinks he does not like livelooping, while it may but just that kind... there are many interesting mixes between the extrems "trivial" and "random" :-) I actually started years ago with livelooping.org and did not go on, because I did not want to be the leader of it and on one else took the job either. but now I am willing to work on that. and since the net changed and video is big, it makes sense to have a livelooping branch on every channel, so far youtube, vimeo and myspace... I would love to get some help from people with more experience with those channels. the group we both started is also a discussion place, or should it be a forum at livelooping.org or ...? in some spot we should show the listeners what is possible and how this music is interesting for them - which brings up the delicate question whos work we emphasize as strong examples. in a different spot we exchange about art, artforms, looping styles and tips to build the music - which is what we do here on LD, but the result does not become available to anyone easily enough - which has been discussed several times here already... good information is filtered, in a responsible way... and audio and video supported. so far my state, spontaneously. apart from this, I should finish the EDP emulation plugin and update my site... ... and Icaue seduces me to just look at him... :-) Matthias On 25 Nov 2008, at 13:46, Todd Matthews wrote: > Oh I didn't realize you had already started one! I'll send a message > out on the one I started, that we can combine on to your channel. That > way we can can be one big happy family:) > > Todd > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Matthias Grob > wrote: >> wow, I just saw this now >> I had the same idea and made >> http://www.vimeo.com/livelooping >> >> On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:09, Todd Matthews wrote: >> >>> It was pretty easy to set up the Vimeo group. >>> >>> >>> www.vimeo.com/groups/loopers >>> >>> It could be a place to have great looping videos all in one spot and >>> it also has a calender so everyone can have their events/gigs all >>> posted on same the calender! This could be really cool. >>> >>> >>> Todd >>> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 19:46:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3534D3BEA4; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:46:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=0jHBVwy6F0UpfU51EbcV6VFissnMU61pdMbZh6Pnc1o=; b=xq6OpNFYB9pAH4bLH6f/68KWIdrVv07sjVJCbjLxlTWkqDr0mZ3MH4Utg0YnNm0CWt TXM8NhgM0OhbHoMw1J1ITUPKeuZwcBi4SqWXv4gS+LD7y58F2w5NuPaeEV5nUO7Q1WnI obpN2ngYiseBwDJi9vQJ1mzRnQT9kASKI8NSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=DOPR80J8MmjpO6TbXQub28P4mDl454usyBXdVhdCnL67ixUyfpjjnf52eFXBSULUU1 JQLypiqOc9/iCVWEV+HKI+fIg8hO1Z83ejl5l9zVi5Hcu9/42mPbMWYFfxq9BgmJeHok gXkps/ws0THgAL8YNgaPpYvbgq0U9nmT71ElU= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:46:26 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Korg NanoKontrol / NanoPad impressions In-Reply-To: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31004_12764462.1227728786385" References: <20081126162250.47400@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:46:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31004_12764462.1227728786385 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2008/11/26 Buzap Buzap that was the first idea while i saw the nanocontrol... it's cheap and small... and you could have the 8 tracks of mobius + 1 virtual master track (in host) since it seems (by the pictures, i don't own one yet :-) that you get 9 sliders. anyhow, i'd go 4 sliders for the output levels of four tracks and 4 others for their respective feedback ... i get one. > > > If anybody has experience with setting up the NanoKontrol with Moebius - > this would be really interesting. > > best regards > Buzap > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? Der kann`s mit allen= : > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_31004_12764462.1227728786385 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

2008/11/26 Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net>
=
that was the first idea while i saw the nanocontrol... it= 9;s cheap and small... and you could have the 8 tracks of mobius + 1 virtua= l master track (in host) since it seems (by the pictures, i don't own o= ne yet :-) that you get 9 sliders.

anyhow, i'd go 4 sliders for the output levels of f= our tracks and 4 others for their respective feedback ...

i get one.

 


If anybody has experience with setting up the NanoKontrol with Moebius - th= is would be really interesting.

best regards
Buzap

--
Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? Der kann`s mit allen: = http:= //www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger




--
The Playing Orch= estra: http://www.telefonica= .net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http= ://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_31004_12764462.1227728786385-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 22:24:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78023BE8B; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Uo7Bx4eTbz0WWefp+BrIG62Jt9VTj4qYWpThY2isKA8=; b=kJWkljW0/GKPQ6oX5+yuhf3wRyDRvRPhgJxc6DL2BJKwhxqEiuTHmWMlOF2u0amByF En9KYYHWFn6EnY57SrhyaTv5KMH4BCGejo9clXN93PiTisOsK2o4LusHn+1VJqZ11iIL 7MCh2pxOGSJ+/D1LN9V6Lfhu8DyxCu4H1fcUU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=Hi5gLuszaaI2MvIsYfXmv8bmG67RCXHgrXF3DCgrzdEqSxezfvNRTfNn3g1kyji9no f8kqMcFbr8Sw9wrb3DzDEdLSnT6bbbHRIklaG85nP3vjBEErLCScGXNOV/KrXeEKqpuA yk1nG37i/bATtZ1emrPQnej1Rf6Z2tQTZac1w= Message-ID: <37f071c00811261424x5edac0ecnd9b5e08164caf9b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:24:34 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS: recommendation needed In-Reply-To: <55c7bc950811261001yf40cf35s63b13ce34f97cb35@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18246_7281764.1227738274712" References: <492D307C.1070804@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811260524w73de7945o1af58e1c68486f4a@mail.gmail.com> <55c7bc950811261001yf40cf35s63b13ce34f97cb35@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:24:37 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18246_7281764.1227738274712 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also, don't forget to factor the cost of replacement bulbs. They can run upwards of $400 or more depending on your projector. I read of review of that Epson which said the bulbs are only $200 which isn't bad. Kevin > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker >> wrote: >> > >> > I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector >> > to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating >> > with very lo fi, toy video cameras. >> > >> > I want to spend between $500 and $1,000 >> > and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market. >> > >> > I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by >> > making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when >> > the units are shipped from the factory. >> > >> > How important is contrast ratio? Overall lumens? >> > I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much >> expertise on this >> > forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to >> buy. >> > >> > 1) the cheaper the better, obviously, but my range is $1,000 and under >> > 2) I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that >> the scale of my performance >> > and that of the video is about the same) >> > 3) I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors >> conceivable. >> > 4) It would be best if the size is as small as possible, but I'd >> rather have a larger projector >> > if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good. >> > >> > Can you help me with recommendations? The Thansgiving/Christmas >> sales are going to be >> > slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best >> time to try and invest. >> > >> > Thanks, in advance for your expertise (Mark? Emile? others?) >> > >> > yours, gratefully Rick Walker >> >> >> >> Rick, >> >> I use projectors on a regularly basis when lecturing to boost up my >> computer screen for classes, and it seems any kind of cheap consumer >> machine does a good job. But this is by no means the same job as >> projecting live pix for concert application. I admit never having >> taken interest in the technical side of things and I don't use live >> music projectors today, but in the nineties I did a lot. Back then >> when we were playing around in Germany and south-east Asia we NEVER >> even thought about buying a projector for the simple reason that the >> machines you rented for a tour was many, many times better for live >> venue application. I went around talking to the guys that were VJ'ing >> and had this impression confirmed. >> >> I'm not saying the technological standard vs price ratio has not >> changed but I strongly advice you to personally go and talk to some >> guys that do AV stuff for events production renting as a business. Ask >> them what to get for the best live venue gig projection. Then compare >> their specifications to whatever you are eying at the Radioshack >> store. See if it makes sense buying one. Heck, here in Sweden we even >> rented transportation car, audio PA and a small lightning rig for >> single discoteque club gigs and it totally made sense! I just made a >> phone call a couple of weeks in advance and the guys at the renting >> biz had all sound and light gear loaded into cases for us when we >> passed by a couple of hours before the gig. Saved us gasoline costs >> and at least six hours of exhausting activities every time we went out >> for a gig and was well worth returning home with a little less money >> in the pocket. >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> >> > > > -- > http://twitter.com/pbailey > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_18246_7281764.1227738274712 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Also, don't forget to factor the cost of replacement bulbs.  They can run upwards of $400 or more depending on your projector.

I read of review of that Epson which said the bulbs are only $200 which isn't bad.

Kevin



On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:24 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> I'm getting ready to invest in a video projector
> to project the looping 'animations' that I've been creating
> with very lo fi, toy video cameras.
>
> I want to spend between $500 and $1,000
> and am overwhelmed by the number of units on the market.
>
> I also know that lumen statistics can be horribly skewed by
> making the green portion of the spectrum over emphasized when
> the units are shipped from the factory.
>
> How important is contrast ratio?   Overall lumens?
> I've tried to research projectors but I figured there was so much expertise on this
> forum that you all might be into proferring your advice about what to buy.
>
> 1)  the cheaper the better, obviously,  but my range is $1,000 and under
> 2)  I'd like to be able to project at approximately life size (so that the scale of my performance
> and that of the video is about the same)
> 3)  I'd love it to be as quiet as possible and with the richest colors conceivable.
> 4)  It would be best if the size is as small as possible,  but I'd rather have a larger projector
> if the quality is better, than a smaller one whose image is not as good.
>
> Can you help me with recommendations?     The Thansgiving/Christmas sales are going to be
> slamming because the economy sucks so badly so I think now is the best time to try and invest.
>
> Thanks, in advance for your expertise   (Mark?   Emile?   others?)
>
> yours, gratefully  Rick Walker



Rick,

I use projectors on a regularly basis when lecturing to boost up my
computer screen for classes, and it seems any kind of cheap consumer
machine does a good job. But this is by no means the same job as
projecting live pix for concert application. I admit never having
taken interest in the technical side of things and I don't use live
music projectors today, but in the nineties I did a lot. Back then
when we were playing around in Germany and south-east Asia we NEVER
even thought about buying a projector for the simple reason that the
machines you rented for a tour was many, many times better for live
venue application. I went around talking to the guys that were VJ'ing
and had this impression confirmed.

I'm not saying the technological standard vs price ratio has not
changed but I strongly advice you to personally go and talk to some
guys that do AV stuff for events production renting as a business. Ask
them what to get for the best live venue gig projection. Then compare
their specifications to whatever you are eying at the Radioshack
store. See if it makes sense buying one. Heck, here in Sweden we even
rented transportation car, audio PA and a small lightning rig for
single discoteque club gigs and it totally made sense! I just made a
phone call a couple of weeks in advance and the guys at the renting
biz had all sound and light gear loaded into cases for us when we
passed by a couple of hours before the gig. Saved us gasoline costs
and at least six hours of exhausting activities every time we went out
for a gig and was well worth returning home with a little less money
in the pocket.

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
http://twitter.com/pbailey



--

Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

- Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org
------=_Part_18246_7281764.1227738274712-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 22:52:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EDAE3BE91; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=rZ5UxtMG8qnb9tHMVrvMpkEvMW4FNeayHtu7QZYPOGk=; b=FhNl+NwdR9mNk56aKOSIAw99Xw2z3ewXAbHovV615y2+SkW6Z1vyoFW1BWuZ+9BWXE We1f9zMuoqjA7KCrfLMgDMRorMfAuzJWYpt8+LfPOd1h/rkdSzYQgw0uDwkZlvqTUX5M qM0Wa4nrba0pzMZBXYlAoL0qk61YzTPVHDru0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=p5+bVoNzA90BPl6QAQK/gADcJA1F39yjw467S9ScZHbbTKcShlSRdSLxo9cD/2xX4P FQirKlL21KYv5WzYlSj6/RqHDIvUW6aoOf47LtWxoadb/GvsbSGu2UhiKhf9o1GfQrX3 6JdApHxuDSqERfbzywGFlJO//Fe/1ig7piwIY= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:52:32 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35377_17525427.1227739952395" X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa0d5b98189b1ab2 Resent-Message-ID: <3QNPBC.A.p0B.xMdLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:52:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35377_17525427.1227739952395 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, quick one... I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, where something plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel one on the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them? Not having used them before, (except in big expensive studios where the engineer did it for me) i dont quite get the special cable that it requires. If am to just plug in a short jack to jack cable from the insert socket of the main mixer to the input on the mini mixer, it cuts the sound from the main mixer. This is of course cos its meant for "INSERTING" a compressor for example... this is a damn nuisance, as I have hndreds of spare short jack to jack cables... BUT Can it be done? by using stereo jacks wired funny?? or maybe is it just to replace one jack on a standard mono jack cable to be a stereo jack where the 2 hot contackt are bridged?? how do I do this? Mark ------=_Part_35377_17525427.1227739952395 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, quick one... I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, where something plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel one on the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them? Not having used them before, (except in big expensive studios where the engineer did it for me) i dont quite get the special cable that it requires. If am to just plug in a short jack to jack cable from the insert socket of the main mixer to the input on the mini mixer, it cuts the sound from the main mixer. This is of course cos its meant for "INSERTING" a compressor for example... this is a damn nuisance, as I have hndreds of spare short jack to jack cables... BUT Can it be done? by using stereo jacks wired funny?? or maybe is it just to replace one jack  on a standard mono jack cable to be a stereo jack where the 2 hot contackt are bridged?? how do I do this?

Mark
------=_Part_35377_17525427.1227739952395-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 23:18:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56E8E3BE87; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 419 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:18:03 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=7zcESB44PY80+EfT6g28csSs9miIlSPGZE9DuIGTlbg=; b=R6UHc9LnMGe6u56dNV897syZBA3bbmP3UZkZaBckQFW3Uh0+i/is+hyI6lKqui+sgs s5lIRo+PTBNk4o+Y+gOuyzubocfUKCEwGrmRva9cEHwqThOjXzq8vqpCZohY8HvWRm21 X6MzIOkO7J2zwFbrBvp0A8CIJ3lym9c9BwZZk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=G8bvwSLjd9Kd7Bc4ORqmprBAyR0igcHxWe17syJlHIXMToowoBVMUBFPRZOkrVcUno 3Lfj4fEkmUYyg7+0tp3BimRmC74tHS6HYHDN6ZxL5TyvekSxd0RzeocXW+PzsxqcB3wn /9J3nEWOoQdVSgjDEAW3Sf8lUJPKJr8BQETh4= From: "Tony K" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 18:10:54 -0500 Message-ID: <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C94FF2.54499C40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclQGbxHPCCwg0VYQNmAe6TtCbjEbgAAbI5w Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <7w9_3.A.MLD.rkdLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:18:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C94FF2.54499C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The cable for an insert looks like a stereo =BC=94 on one end and 2 = monos on the other (looks like a stereo splitter.) USUALLY the Ring is send, = the tip is receive. So you plug the stereo end into the insert connection, = plug the ring side into the input of the effect, the tip side into the = output. =20 =20 If I understand what you want, you probably want to use the Aux send? = Not the insert. Inserts need a return signal. =20 Hope that helps, or sends you in the right direction =20 Tony =20 From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf = Of mark francombe Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:53 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? =20 Hi, quick one... I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, = where something plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel = one on the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them? Not = having used them before, (except in big expensive studios where the engineer = did it for me) i dont quite get the special cable that it requires. If am to = just plug in a short jack to jack cable from the insert socket of the main = mixer to the input on the mini mixer, it cuts the sound from the main mixer. = This is of course cos its meant for "INSERTING" a compressor for example... = this is a damn nuisance, as I have hndreds of spare short jack to jack = cables... BUT Can it be done? by using stereo jacks wired funny?? or maybe is it = just to replace one jack on a standard mono jack cable to be a stereo jack = where the 2 hot contackt are bridged?? how do I do this? Mark No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: = 11/26/2008 8:53 AM ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C94FF2.54499C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The cable for an insert looks like=A0 a stereo =BC” = on one end and 2 monos on the other (looks like=A0 a stereo splitter.)=A0 USUALLY = the Ring is send, the tip is receive. So you plug the stereo end into the insert = connection, plug the ring side into the input of the effect, the tip side into the = output.=A0 =A0

 

If I understand what you want, you probably want to use = the Aux send?=A0 Not the insert.=A0 Inserts need a return = signal.

 

Hope that helps, or sends you in the right = direction

 

Tony

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:53 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring??

 

Hi, quick one... I want to connect my mini mixer up = to my main mixer, where something plugged into the main mixer chanel one will = also be at chanel one on the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I = use them? Not having used them before, (except in big expensive studios where the engineer did it for me) i dont quite get the special cable that it = requires. If am to just plug in a short jack to jack cable from the insert socket of = the main mixer to the input on the mini mixer, it cuts the sound from the = main mixer. This is of course cos its meant for "INSERTING" a = compressor for example... this is a damn nuisance, as I have hndreds of spare short = jack to jack cables... BUT Can it be done? by using stereo jacks wired = funny?? or maybe is it just to replace one jack  on a standard mono jack cable = to be a stereo jack where the 2 hot contackt are bridged?? how do I do = this?

Mark

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C94FF2.54499C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 23:25:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBC103BE8D; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=TzOLzO8XSiWL0ApbfSaQ/bH+MoqUL5boMaiqpP22sC4=; b=NqflKfoWUrpK/a9CrSgiKxiijC5TrXTQsIDmnobGXJBfPlyp3/wAJXhAmKkhLjEQcc SAdTI4CU6Y5O/T6IkEtza2GTGW2KWPpjWtMCWKLIGcGlYgqTXZL09UiLSiNCmkIuXdDi EmKd4PMMh+Hcf9Bj4e1Xci4qXXQv7cHxR89KM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=OxSNAR5jkcp1sM+WjMc8jGkO4Vr1ac2cP/4aW8pCWjgpWFgf1qv0puiy8rXTxHH21u e6m/agHLM3Q/r2Fu5VMp+yq2IRhSVdPtJNrUwrdzr52zzi14s8UJcK3NXJeuyEkzTFpF MDYcLhAxQ96xlhNyV3iL/OY+Awoiz4HPjbHSQ= Message-ID: <7334ca1b0811261525p645f4d9cp7de240937bcf5ed1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:25:27 +0100 From: "Rainer Straschill" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Marc asked: "I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, where something plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel one on the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them?" On a lot of mixers, you can use inserts alternatively as direct outs by only inserting the cable to the "first click", and not all the way. If that is the case, this would be by far the simplest solution. If that is not the case with your mixer, you can go the "funny wiring route": use a stereo cable or an insert cable (Y-cable) and short the tip and ring (on the side that goes into the insert). However, if the destination input is a symmetrical one AND you're using a stereo cable (not an insert one) for the connection, you have to also disconnect the ring on the side that goes into the destination input. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 23:32:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 937B13BEA0; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [75.174.125.57] X-Originating-Email: [khartung@q.com] Message-ID: From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <4D971297-A8D8-4F70-8207-0C01F4D28A21@glasswing.com> Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:06:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_9AE8_01C94FAE.AB4F8930" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2008 23:32:32.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[413F3740:01C9501F] Resent-Message-ID: <9JR8D.A.5HE.SydLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:32:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_9AE8_01C94FAE.AB4F8930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am thinking electronic, samples, etc, would be better for the genre.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: RICHARD SALES=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:08 PM Subject: Re: New CD Project - Looking for a Partner Yo Max Would you be using real drummers or what? I'd be curious to hear it. RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: Hey, that would be outstanding. Can you send me a sample? I'll = send you a note personally too. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term sof = beats I would probably go for deep African grooves. my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com ------=_NextPart_000_9AE8_01C94FAE.AB4F8930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am thinking electronic, samples, etc, = would be=20 better for the genre.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 RICHARD=20 SALES
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, = 2008 12:08=20 PM
Subject: Re: New CD Project - = Looking for=20 a Partner

Yo Max

Would you be using real drummers or what?  I'd be curious to = hear=20 it.

RICHARD = SALES
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com





On Nov 25, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:
Hey, that would be = outstanding.  Can you=20 send me a sample?  I'll send you a note personally = too.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
 
Max here again. I live in Cape Town South Africa so in term = sof beats=20 I would probably go for deep African grooves.
 
my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com

=

RICHARD = SALES
www.glasswing.com
www.richardsales.com
www.hayleysales.com


------=_NextPart_000_9AE8_01C94FAE.AB4F8930-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Nov 26 23:57:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 240F83BE8D; Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=V00pf40u7tsrbHwqbICS/gcqW/9K1/3it6avOouBCbU=; b=b43/sNiTnszZIhW1zlrbSTLf1mNa8oIW6hk/khVtoJSBdmCdf/ZSe729uytn3+WlJc KK9jGHXIf5lgGxh9JqZOKyqNjfZZNx+2buTORLHx/YjUwriNO56NwTs0i2Jdk7W4pPor /M578Ifp+sH1HiCN9MfhGIZVqtzrAtU4h57Mg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=d1N6rvs47DB5tfbly/vsITKdy/MMIjQ//0ZCvaMWWfZIpMYzP8/eJbjsbtyHGjYjBk Kwfjp7xt8OzaC1UN96nHNoR9lBQ9wRZEyAWy6Lt5qCGbcRd6JiACIWn/0rv0OfCFXlRB YDmqKUZpiEpMtet5xqxnYr1uZHCQvFdLASWoY= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811261557m4b91c9c8g3835d71e2e749803@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:57:57 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? In-Reply-To: <7334ca1b0811261525p645f4d9cp7de240937bcf5ed1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35853_4139987.1227743877299" References: <7334ca1b0811261525p645f4d9cp7de240937bcf5ed1@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 51719ed40195870b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 23:57:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35853_4139987.1227743877299 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Rainer Straschill < moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote: > Marc asked: > "I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, where something > plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel one on > the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them?" > > However, if the > destination input is a symmetrical one AND you're using a stereo cable > (not an insert one) for the connection, you have to also disconnect > the ring on the side that goes into the destination input. > thanks for that, but what do you mean by symetrical? I think the insert end is as you describe, and the input i am going to on the sub mixer, is just a regular input, NOT an insert. SO.. by your desciption, I think a regular mono cable, but with a stereo plug on the insert end, where the ring and tip are shorted, may seem to be correct... am I right..? . may have to get out the soldering iron tomorrow.. night night Mark -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_35853_4139987.1227743877299 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Rainer Straschill <moinsound@googlemail.com> wrote:
Marc asked:
"I want to connect my mini mixer up to my main mixer, where something
plugged into the main mixer chanel one will also be at chanel one on
the mini mixer. Now My main mixer has inserts, can I use them?"
 
 
However, if the
destination input is a symmetrical one AND you're using a stereo cable
(not an insert one) for the connection, you have to also disconnect
the ring on the side that goes into the destination input.

thanks for that, but what do you mean by symetrical? I think the insert end is as you describe, and the input i am going to on the sub mixer, is just a regular input, NOT an insert. SO.. by your desciption, I think a regular mono cable, but with a stereo plug on the insert end, where the ring and tip are shorted, may seem to be correct... am I right..?

. may have to get out the soldering iron tomorrow..

night night

Mark


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r


On Nov 26, 2008, at = 9:06 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

I = am thinking electronic, samples, etc, would be better for the = genre.
 
Kris
 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 = 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: New CD Project - = Looking for a Partner

Yo = Max

Would you be using real drummers or what? =  I'd be curious to hear it.

RICHARD = SALES
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On = Nov 25, 2008, at 6:56 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Hey, that would = be outstanding.  Can you send me a sample?  I'll send you a = note personally too.
 
Kris
 
----- = Original Message -----
 
Max here again. I live in Cape Town = South Africa so in term sof beats I would probably go for deep African = grooves.
 
my email is maximstarcke@gmail.com

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= --Apple-Mail-1-328440185-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 03:39:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D8383BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=nsq9P6Xyy7ZbQrPMTqVD/2sUowRV2PJP0e7S9i4qjzQ=; b=PTpwnCBE9N+a9/lbC/EP7CzWUzPRJD4xUq7YIOJeXo0rrCKGRoTRaQkSbWA6r+8cuE M9eXQUgTpoU7zj2gItJ0afXRXz553di16L4+jXbZFGgp+OfFiS7OFwbHp7uM0UmM70mB IStTjCcZIXMnv2yqtfSTe6S0aGeLF3DX9H5nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=QaatAiojN6UvcZVASB3xMD+Qznu8pBwL7CKB6mgWmPEyHMXe6xfjlCjwXimMYXj7p9 UDo2DvzBn50bKlMPMSZHy2z0gUjyzTdycGnGW+c1XxMd+DBuRf0m1wkwZvxlU7vlfIq1 x9LBAdcvyWEXiMiR7HpreFrzfjoVq7Ou/9kP8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:39:12 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" In-Reply-To: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34640_15382069.1227757152766" References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:39:15 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_34640_15382069.1227757152766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice as the file you sent some days ago... remembered some first-mid-eighties peter gabriel. keep the good work, raul. 2008/11/27 Sjaak > Hi fellow loopers, > In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this > soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and > Kaosspad 3. > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3 > > Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out well in combination > with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's parameters with the LED matrix > and the buttons! :) > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_34640_15382069.1227757152766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline nice as the file you sent some days ago... remembered some first-mid-eighties peter gabriel.

keep the good work,
raul.

2008/11/27 Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be>
Hi fellow loopers,
In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this
soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and
Kaosspad 3.
http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3

Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out well in combination
with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's parameters with the LED matrix
and the buttons! :)
---
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw





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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_34640_15382069.1227757152766-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 04:32:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 834CB3BE84; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <492E22F3.507@cruzio.com> Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:32:51 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: VIDEO LOOPING PROJECTORS recommendation needed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:32:50 +0000 (UTC) Kevin wrote: "Also, don't forget to factor the cost of replacement bulbs. They can run upwards of $400 or more depending on your projector. I read of review of that Epson which said the bulbs are only $200 which isn't bad." The Epson Powerlite S5, as it turns out, has an energy-efficient #-TORL lamp that last up to 4000 hours. That's enough for an entire lifetime of shows for me so bulb replacement is not a hell of a huge deal. Additionally, it only weighs 5.8 pounds and is available for $500 which is really inexpensive compared to most I've seen. It looks attractive to me. Are there any detractors? Is 800 X 600 a big enough screen resolution or is that sort of standard? *********************** *********************** .......and, to answer Per's response about renting equipment instead of buying it: We don't have as much centralized equipment rentability as you seem to have in Stockholm, unfortunately. The really good stores are in San Jose which involved an hour and a half of driving which just is not practical. Additionally, renting a sound system and a video projector and screen for a gig would run into several hundred dollars a gig which is just untenable financially. I think that gigs may pay much more money in Sweden than in Northern California where they, well.........................don't pay at all if you are doing anything creative and out of the box. So, thanks for the advice but it's just not regionally appropriate, I"m afraid. energy-efficient E-TORL lamp that lasts up to 4000 hours.
From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 06:53:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54CC63BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qXVlbwgfktUUDv/pqJEXTdgdC9GivE9nHGUmvm/A/gg=; b=bh4xUXl9NO2IfqaxUcurS3a1kHAyl551qK7VtWRd7AgXIsvOWtkPRW70BlcZbMq85O KlcSBtaFJN0fHPw6aCfNUYay0OTOJFq7R7jPyFe1ErzcI95UCmVijReN9WoGPpBp2m8K OlAm9y2G4d5CL8nEhEbnfkGgG2/wlgMUoQBVg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=m0bdDWGu+n7ceKoZDTLYYde1MPJbC8niZM6qoxbvLyr3Msn+H/zawIx+yhOt7iHh6O rCFNNpsokpRZSegE8KOtON3vOJFib5HPloYP5HUvy8z3gKaDuVb8Q2ksNPO5HHrQS0wY ibXRhqA+73vXYNvHaKTlCWSDo6HV5fCx62Tgo= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:53:46 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? In-Reply-To: <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 06:53:48 +0000 (UTC) You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board for this sort of thing. It would be easier to answer the question if we new what "the main board" was. -J From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 07:44:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 577503BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: jayrope LD To: loopers delight In-Reply-To: <20081127065348.EAD713BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: ixer Inserts, what the wiring?? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:44:41 +0100 References: <20081127065348.EAD713BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - houston.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <4JPJVC.A.tFD.u_kLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:44:46 +0000 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insert_(effects_processing) that should clear everything. jrp - - - jayrope http://www.kliklak.net On Nov 27, 2008, at 7:53 AM, Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com wrote: > Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 08:12:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C9963BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=KUwTZEsHr3AahNYw+wyQSC6JVujSqh4wYaUaw8vhWjc=; b=lAtwSy1xLcJhM+qb/VPu/86Rz6jZDxw5A+A4kmbkS17BJgw+aWifNR1QGZQ/W2WOes 8pzlg0qfZSQ5KMkDHAYLS23RCm1ctvR3XrtTAGNznQJ9DjX5YbpNoRNicEq5f0SzFX/m UDSh3nnFuZw/cXANLXUAm1Cra1oYzjBdSAW6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=kkUZX5k30B5a4m6mGzLwaZgN6ZqeC6EXIFsEgqII0uDcn3VPVx07wTxmSu938UDDuy oXdGMAZPOMVhMUos3iI7R0fhm4TXeUVKNqzLV92WfZIgUJIrw5VBUHbYRj/2AEtPjUfP 3t69PZU6o3vsIho/0mFEUU3huDcRnNIWJKc/k= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270012v740fc39dl359d82bfffc43ec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:12:19 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39113_18413902.1227773539804" References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 199e69675c9f1d26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:12:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39113_18413902.1227773539804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh.. well its a rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts... On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board > for this sort of thing. It would be easier to answer the question if > we new what "the main board" was. > > -J > > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_39113_18413902.1227773539804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh.. well its a rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts...

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> wrote:
You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board
for this sort of thing.  It would be easier to answer the question if
we new what "the main board" was.

-J




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http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
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------=_Part_39113_18413902.1227773539804-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 08:42:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58ABB3BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 108980175/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.205.163/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.205.163 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoBAOvrLUlPTs2j/2dsb2JhbAAI0k2CfYNY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,674,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="108980175" Message-ID: <492E5E4E.8060503@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:46:06 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 08:42:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mark, Here's the quick answer:- In order to use an Insert as if it was a direct out you need a special cable. One end is a normal jack, the + of which is connected to both tip and ring of a stereo jack at the other end. (Shield connection as usual). Then plug the "stereo" jack into the Insert socket. mark francombe wrote: > by using stereo jacks wired funny?? or maybe is it just to replace one > jack on a standard mono jack cable to be a stereo jack where the 2 hot > contackt are bridged?? that's it exactly > how do I do this? Soldering. Easiest way is to start with a regular mono cable and replace one jack with stereo, bridging the tip & ring as you suggest. > > Mark andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 09:11:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C213A3BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=3yWPq6By7i5AQeoolxMKCHwo2xAXWxJ1aZld3FGhctY=; b=aJ87uiWihkS4bps7H5rOIat22/ZZrKb3zu0jBmaiUuy05SsMH9ZhfOF5RgJEgxcm1C w0uuBqtW5NcrNN7Gxdt1UXZfZQbu03lRHMRgoi67xzzdj9YVlWN+eOh3Q+LJKqIQzCPs mRGdesRpta4AbFrpxgLmj1UqkrA0GNNi2tY7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=gJwThS2m2SVhXpUevKg1ugUQ6t3NuUH7ZYlSZKafpA+tIoxhYcHBkgYgfXLcdVyC9i DHapqjci8fSHbEVvQeeKKSP3gejLQegpEX9E11zV0/RXgWzTn7XHaC8PPE/2o3v3JXKb 65qanEz36/i1BmdD4tUvnO9BiuRxo8R8dh6x8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270111v1975651eq72352781af8f6024@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:11:26 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? In-Reply-To: <492E5E4E.8060503@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39616_15797099.1227777086990" References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> <492E5E4E.8060503@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: f91d61194d940540 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:11:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39616_15797099.1227777086990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Lovely... Takk Andy! Thread closed... 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------=_Part_39616_15797099.1227777086990-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 09:39:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCD493BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=nSnOQ1XLybiE+ojRkQRLVs7u/sYyioXbnu5osM481QI=; b=BLd50NVBYmnVH93qAGyag0tgVRRkJIKYrvFQaCb3rZZUEtekpHrPb9jYZ7x6l2bGyw tiauJGpQD2d23aZU2LIPNu/EQl3Pnvq/8P5EDrKFOu72waqosNq4Tx9ulrstzpBx3A4Q UdM3ibqyNcGDnErq7aY5S6leriMFJdFLYLMBU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=LWu0n2fGzlSvc91TbAmXLHCWlT4NBEUjWhXcqRG+fALRYRkvWKBSQFtd8pmz8WEJpa RV4toZ9jBEK6HQFu/Be7P24RIgqOtL/6HVTPKuk3a7MIIBjChUbtUTSVFq0nh1mZnutN 37w0DGxvlViVIt8EKGOUjipN2ooYBYo+HgjCw= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:39:12 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_39966_32842156.1227778752121" X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0bcd8c89f6ce98a0 Resent-Message-ID: <0-y9g.A.CkG.BrmLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 09:39:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_39966_32842156.1227778752121 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and Gentlemen, Take your sides, choose your weapons, and attack!!!! Background: Earlier this year I was beaten up by a motorcycle gang member: The Court case was this week, he went to prison 21 days, and is gonna pay me 20,000 kroner. Now I aint spending all, you understand, (getting married in a few weeks so need some cash for that). BUT FIRST... No Software arguments here please... Mobius has won the software battle so far, for me... but Im still a hardware guy, and have ALWAYS wanted a new EDP. I am tempted by the Looperlative also. I HAVE the comparison charts, I know the feature set, (although Im not sure if there is a current LP1 wiki or something, its of course being updated all the time) To the question Batman: WHICH SHOULD I BUY? Heres what I know, and care about: EDP Pros: I love the EDP - No new learning curve - I want to play one 8ths value on one machine off a different 8ths value on the other - loop windowing - can be used as stereo pair (not too bothered by this) Cons: No more updates (How I dream of what would be in Loop5) - In reality, will I not really need a second Identical machine, will I just decide, ok now Ill loop on EDP 2, without there being a real advantage, what 2 machine tricks am I NOT thinking about - sound quality, mono. Only one octave pitch shift. Looperlative Pros: Multiple loops (dont really care about this, annoys me in Repeater infact) Interesting scramble option, STILL BEING UPDATED (big plus) - Easy peasy footpedal programing - multiple speeds (but no pitch shift without speed change right??) Cons: Expensive, is it worth it? Something funny about the UNDO caperbilities, am I right? (most important button if you are me!! LOL ) - Little bit complicated, but I guess i will geddit after a while. Seems great for "song construction", but how is it at snip, cut, insert, multiply cut, cut, snippety snip, type stuff? No Loop windowing. Bit more front panel pushing... can I get all the things I need onto one bank of an FCB without having to push up and down all the time...? Ive read lots of confusion about keeping multiple tracks in synch, but Im sure thats just a settings thing right? (not in the slightest bit interested in drifting out of synch loops, not even in ambient floaty stuff, I want rock hard rythmic timing between my boxes, and struggle to get it) So theres what I know, what I have read or mis-read. Please correct me and FIGHT for YOUR box. Remember I HAVE an EDP, Dont need arguments for that, but DEFINATELY need arguments for having two!!! I DEFINATELY WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOTH!!! Help me decide guys, and let it be a Happy Loopy Christmas Mark -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_39966_32842156.1227778752121 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ladies and Gentlemen,
Take your sides, choose your weapons, and attack!!!!

Background: Earlier this year I was beaten up by a motorcycle gang member: The Court case was this week, he went to prison 21 days, and is gonna pay me 20,000 kroner. Now I aint spending all, you understand, (getting married in a few weeks so need some cash for that).
BUT FIRST...
No Software arguments here please...
Mobius has won the software battle so far, for me... but Im still a hardware guy, and have ALWAYS wanted a new EDP. I am tempted by the Looperlative also. I HAVE the comparison charts, I know the feature set, (although Im not sure if there is a current LP1 wiki or something, its of course being updated all the time)

To the question Batman:

WHICH SHOULD I BUY?

Heres what I know, and care about:

EDP
Pros: I love the EDP - No new learning curve -  I want to play one 8ths value on one machine off a different 8ths value on the other - loop windowing - can be used as stereo pair (not too bothered by this)
Cons: No more updates (How I dream of what would be in Loop5) - In reality, will I not really need a second Identical machine, will I just decide, ok now Ill loop on EDP 2, without there being a real advantage, what 2 machine tricks am I NOT thinking about - sound quality, mono. Only one octave pitch shift.

Looperlative
Pros: Multiple loops (dont really care about this, annoys me in Repeater infact) Interesting scramble option, STILL BEING UPDATED (big plus) - Easy peasy footpedal programing - multiple speeds (but no pitch shift without speed change right??)
Cons: Expensive, is it worth it? Something funny about the UNDO caperbilities, am I right? (most important button if you are me!! LOL ) - Little bit complicated, but I guess i will geddit after a while. Seems great for "song construction",  but how is it at snip, cut, insert, multiply cut, cut, snippety snip, type stuff? No Loop windowing.  Bit more front panel pushing... can I get all the things I need onto one bank of an FCB without having to push up and down all the time...? Ive read lots of confusion about keeping multiple tracks in synch, but Im sure thats just a settings thing right? (not in the slightest bit interested in drifting out of synch loops, not even in ambient floaty stuff, I want rock hard rythmic timing between my boxes, and struggle to get it)

So theres what I know, what I have read or mis-read. Please correct me and FIGHT for YOUR box.
Remember I HAVE an EDP, Dont need arguments for that, but DEFINATELY need arguments for having two!!!
I DEFINATELY WANT TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOTH!!!

Help me decide guys, and let it be a Happy Loopy Christmas

Mark

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------=_Part_39966_32842156.1227778752121-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 10:09:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AA6D3BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:09:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ir7Sj6p8dWTYOx0AVsRfezx8Dm3mQ9VIGiEqA/FsrvI=; b=BuDWZZQz2Jt1PzmRywF+xhhDGvLqPBPyMBdYB+IY+k/2217pI4iRsCgIKvyOdW7WeM FWVlz2GPga0mvsgcaiQq8MJC7Cdkch6y7QT2KolZdcy9ZsLhXE4uKU9Gs7vKKzdjJU97 CkbUBQT+4TmPL8ojfPzFQ7WnRUqdEsNdGYUtQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=r6OhDPvh4FkfBOjI8NfwmtEaF2u6e7HCQSYBkKLfJ/xXriq9zrKfEIYxUPUhsms71k V6oGx/YykjDRMnUBwuKzf4HyQ1ryBXjusAjx7nniRwTdWTsFtZKD/EH6W2jCVmLoWg4p PjQajaQ8xctP77SH7j53J/4HRx8xGV6+CXEvI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:09:36 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:09:37 +0000 (UTC) If I were you I would gravitate towards the LP1 because I already know the EDP and I would hope for some new creative views being brought in by the LP1. In my view it is better to have two units of different functionality than having two identical (but maybe this is not fully true regarding the EDP since its well known versatility). This is one reason I personally gravitated towards software, but we're not going to talk about that now. However, for me (not necessarily applying to you) this looper comparison is much a question about the ability to cue loops. The EDP does this with the function "Moore Loops" but the LP1 doesn't do it at all. This pretty much took the LP1 out from my horizon when I was looking into looping boxes. But that's just me; I want to do song oriented looping by jumping between many loops, but in your mail you said that you do song oriented looping by creating parallel loops - and then I guess you mute one and open another to go from verse to chorus and things alike (which would be too complicated for me). So in this matter the LP1 would work well for you. If I should go back to using dedicated boxes today I would use them together with a laptop that runs a simple MIDI sequencer, Live or Numerology. And I would set up MIDI sequences of MIDI commands for the loopers. Then I would assign my physical MIDI pedal to launch different of those "command chains". In fact I had that setup long ago with an EDP, a Repeater and an Alesis MMT8 (later replaced by a PowerBook). Uuhhh... scary thought... must say I prefer my new way of doing it all inside one box, by different software. 'nuff said.. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 10:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11583BE7C; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=lI+VR4DzvzPN17O8o2OsoqOWLAiyzGz1tp2am1CESq8=; b=O3xRPdE9Gk03taAqyv9TXCvZFXtnbgcNK++96S2x1w7Gq1DnE1yCM3/2wZm9yeO1Rl RbruTXOeJIcjeQecs5yQ6MKsrolyCUGCFy6y75Ql26ZfE5h+Fd/s4lpI7VS7/QLmxEhW BAVx+kb+Dm73Cxw0f3fDbTIp9m6Km9JNFzSdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=oSgX6uYGgO0hdp0w0gVHbYi8a4hB1UEYQAEXzmOUAj0oksQ4S2s/DClWhREn5qDTA1 bnyUGgynmlLmcLfjosIE2CX9taLUF1N9y8Jd/iqn1sLNYbb39+YH99OPp7TONbb2hdHm hbVuUycJU7BAgKDzdPQ1dlgKh0dqwO4Gf6vDQ= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:38:18 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40799_25400178.1227782299137" References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 37752afe2b86f955 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:38:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40799_25400178.1227782299137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In my view it is better to have two units of different > functionality than having two identical (but maybe this is not fully > true regarding the EDP since its well known versatility). I AM swayed by this thinking, just worried about the feel of Looperlative, will I become one with it, or will I constantly be worrying about which loop im in, or what parameter I have set...? > However, for me (not necessarily applying to you) this looper > comparison is much a question about the ability to cue loops. The EDP > does this with the function "Moore Loops" but the LP1 doesn't do it at > all. Interesting I didnt know this, so with LP1 you are always basicaly IN ONE LOOP, just one with multiple tracks, of difernt lengths, some muted, some playing? > This pretty much took the LP1 out from my horizon when I was > looking into looping boxes. But that's just me; I want to do song > oriented looping by jumping between many loops, but in your mail you > said that you do song oriented looping by creating parallel loops - > and then I guess you mute one and open another to go from verse to > chorus and things alike (which would be too complicated for me). So in > this matter the LP1 would work well for you. > Not true, you missunderstood... I DO USE More loops to do as you describe, And never MUTE between tracks (Im guessing you mean on Repeater, cos EDP doesnt do this... but I guess It would if I had 2) I kind of use MORE LOOPS like a "quick save" If I get something going I like I pop into loop 2 with soundcopy (I usually have moreloops =3) and hit multiply, and go imediatly back to Loop1.. then continue to fuck about in that loop, till either its different, or ruined ha ha, then I can pop back into L1 to retrieve the nice version... I do that on Loop 2 as well, and I have 2 "restore points" ha ha!!! > > If I should go back to using dedicated boxes today I would use them > together with a laptop that runs a simple MIDI sequencer, Live or > Numerology. And I would set up MIDI sequences of MIDI commands for the > loopers. Then I would assign my physical MIDI pedal to launch > different of those "command chains". In fact I had that setup long ago > with an EDP, a Repeater and an Alesis MMT8 (later replaced by a > PowerBook). Uuhhh... scary thought... must say I prefer my new way of > doing it all inside one box, by different software. 'nuff said.. Heh heh... That Scary thought IS the setup I have now, except that I have a drum machine instead of your MMT8... But I rarely use it with carefully planned sequences, I just have a few nice edp glitching effects programmed that I fire off once in a while. m -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_40799_25400178.1227782299137 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline  In my view it is better to have two units of different
functionality than having two identical (but maybe this is not fully
true regarding the EDP since its well known versatility).
 
I AM swayed by this thinking, just worried about the feel of Looperlative, will I become one with it, or will I constantly be worrying about which loop im in, or what parameter I have set...? 
 
However, for me (not necessarily applying to you)  this looper
comparison is much a question about the ability to cue loops. The EDP
does this with the function "Moore Loops" but the LP1 doesn't do it at
all.
Interesting I didnt know this, so with LP1 you are always basicaly IN ONE LOOP, just one with multiple tracks, of difernt lengths, some muted, some playing?
 
This pretty much took the LP1 out from my horizon when I was
looking into looping boxes. But that's just me; I want to do song
oriented looping by jumping between many loops, but in your mail you
said that you do song oriented looping by creating parallel loops -
and then I guess you mute one and open another to go from verse to
chorus and things alike (which would be too complicated for me). So in
this matter the LP1 would work well for you.

Not true, you missunderstood... I DO USE More loops to do as you describe, And never MUTE between tracks (Im guessing you mean on Repeater, cos EDP doesnt do this... but I guess It would if I had 2)

I kind of use MORE LOOPS like a "quick save" If I get something going I like I pop into loop 2 with soundcopy (I usually have moreloops =3) and hit multiply, and go imediatly back to Loop1.. then continue to fuck about in that loop, till either its different, or ruined ha ha, then I can pop back into L1 to retrieve the nice version... I do that on Loop 2 as well, and I have 2 "restore points" ha ha!!!

If I should go back to using dedicated boxes today I would use them
together with a laptop that runs a simple MIDI sequencer, Live or
Numerology. And I would set up MIDI sequences of MIDI commands for the
loopers. Then I would assign my physical MIDI pedal to launch
different of those "command chains". In fact I had that setup long ago
with an EDP, a Repeater and an Alesis MMT8 (later replaced by a
PowerBook). Uuhhh...  scary thought... must say I prefer my new way of
doing it all inside one box, by different software. 'nuff said..

Heh heh... That Scary thought IS the setup I have now, except that I have a drum machine instead of your MMT8... But I rarely use it with carefully planned sequences, I just have a few nice edp glitching effects programmed that I fire off once in a while.


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------=_Part_40799_25400178.1227782299137-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 10:55:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DD4E3BE79; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:55:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=B/etItpTSYu5l4Cw2eUXgmYlbw5Z6iLoI+ZHbAQqF50=; b=e9dwPOzPkw+tFOowCJCrTVDXox+MsXCrlHyEKFqn4o4773FSI0zea6MFNFm+WX1QQs OuYTIiDlgIhc1B5dD3m6hRSNTP89umlxhsxcuOMTnYPCEp8gs/PJGd0D4IDtkNjO0w4z qfCUaEWXx4Ui45wxAHGUx2cD4ACDL1D9tEA5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HsR8KFhEeeyO7hbdBW4pRNGVZyKBea+i+uL51hNfbbMIsYYBrvR1e0eAchME+oPrSj 4BqjF024QgHE+fhCOubQl04LCj7cRqE9NHp2RZS3DyQEkLKJjI3JLeQaY3RcRCQOVAxV wSYNfMoCuOxJgJ4aZO9HM4xI7KTXbcYE1jD3k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:55:31 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35310_16554713.1227783331740" References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2CDMxC.A.cr.lynLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:55:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_35310_16554713.1227783331740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just wanted to chip in - the LP-1 is really 8 independent loops, not one loop with multiple tracks. the loops can be synced to the master track (which is set by default to the first track you record, but you can change it as you go along), or unsynced. per mentioned command chains and that's something we've been talking about on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "cue" command into a string of commands, so that any function that appears after the "cue" will happen at the loop boundary, not immediately. at the moment however, you can cue tracks to start and stop at the loop boundary and you can cue a track to start when the current one stops i can't really comment on comparisons, because i don't know anything about the EDP, sorry...but i'd be happy to try and answer any questions you have about current functionality (or what might be coming up in the future) and i know bob's on the list if you want to hear it from the horses mouth, as it were! best sim ------=_Part_35310_16554713.1227783331740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just wanted to chip in - the LP-1 is really 8 independent loops, not one loop with multiple tracks. the loops can be synced to the master track (which is set by default to the first track you record, but you can change it as you go along), or unsynced.

per mentioned command chains and that's something we've been talking about on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "cue" command into a string of commands, so that any function that appears after the "cue" will happen at the loop boundary, not immediately.

at the moment however, you can cue tracks to start and stop at the loop boundary and you can cue a track to start when the current one stops

i can't really comment on comparisons, because i don't know anything about the EDP, sorry...but i'd be happy to try and answer any questions you have about current functionality (or what might be coming up in the future) and i know bob's on the list if you want to hear it from the horses mouth, as it were!

best

sim
------=_Part_35310_16554713.1227783331740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 11:10:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F2B63BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZsQ2kva7MODXD9eJ72gjN8ATNHF2ADTfMYY8sC0zx2gkcWg8/oNBMH4l4Kn3ghGc5EUZYNXHxWCAbE0sIcKcWbTHPHJ26+FU2ClU5RPCT7Z2TcTACdtIB1tXO9oa0fQihVRvTOW0m1atpOCZOKUcAImLpE8G+rgv/XbDeLa4nUU=; X-YMail-OSG: D7fPwqUVM1kELk25v8FDRUxAnGr1zJ_aws.kQ2mLj2trBUOh_ZFlV9rs4wK.RQZy0mwrtJcyruuZ3BzRKdYEOR5BI_lSmH7HFWUUJHL1jLIStXMBPaHoxPnfG5.jXbipl3q6_gige1rOgfh5LiM53I5O3_YJpNMuFJedkUK4oROzRkoRUTnK1dRPU75cmFPJ0CyuNSDyJ250TKBEPo5EBAyEo.8M55eUGWMSbpHhxzTqDd6rvKORrp9R1VV_7s6sCYlkbjmRKSzyQg3kVG8VxQf5_RA- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <364694.66740.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Sjaak very nice man,love your stuff! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Raul Bonell wrote: > From: Raul Bonell > Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 7:39 PM > nice as the file you sent some days ago... remembered some > first-mid-eighties peter gabriel. > keep the good work, > raul. > > 2008/11/27 Sjaak > > > Hi fellow loopers, > > In time of crises...why not uploading more free music > like this > > soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, > DD-20 and > > Kaosspad 3. > > > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3 > > > > Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out > well in combination > > with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's > parameters with the LED matrix > > and the buttons! :) > > --- > > Sjaak > > http://www.livelooping.be/ > > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 11:17:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D81F3BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=5jTYVx4Os+xOtvLQrDXpl6Nt/MZl1UVlA6yr1CRBHyg=; b=Wbf2eDMxMKesbFU69ktCrQ+1n+M/l8oseq6Wjc6KQNV1wjcyAi1WIDBscfEGomt80u YWrkkEq4gsAlO369NhqDD/IjpkQmRU4uWd2lUwx6waXT6d/Ivw2pmBhJOg9q+AtuATIB 0Rm+/wMpoWoTJHTHq7zN5QfUyEnD6SZGf7lME= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=j+H2EdRkdwOyxRlr6Ajrvb9GVcPCq7YRBaoCM1gjFIIfKvgRKZSy3XX1TlZRgSbpXO YeJtF7wUDIVoyFe0sZWy1MQykiljf1yCWrPez0u2VWBN6FqZ/a+E7f/2yrDubyabKXWa EwFaQ0MwNFcW5AW1ZQVuU+6DiNHP93rnjpPS0= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270317o20190556w911bebe1096187ea@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:17:49 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_41362_26382878.1227784669841" References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 130d059b9abc01e9 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:17:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_41362_26382878.1227784669841 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Simeon Harris < simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote: > just wanted to chip in - the LP-1 is really 8 independent loops, not one > loop with multiple tracks. the loops can be synced to the master track > (which is set by default to the first track you record, but you can chang= e > it as you go along), or unsynced. Thats what I tried to describe... ha ha its basically the same as the Repeater, but with the ability of loops to be different lengths.(which is o= f course HUGE) > > per mentioned command chains and that's something we've been talking abou= t > on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "cue" command into a string = of > commands, so that any function that appears after the "cue" will happen a= t > the loop boundary, not immediately. > OK you got me...hooked now... And this all INSIDE the looperlative? You mea= n a mini sequencer, that fires off commands in sync with the clock, the "8ths value" or the loop boundary...? OH Wait... does the LP1 use 8th values or SUBcycles or whatever is called? > > at the moment however, you can cue tracks to start and stop at the loop > boundary and you can cue a track to start when the current one stops > That seems like MORE LOOPS to me... just a different way of thinking... > > i can't really comment on comparisons, because i don't know anything abou= t > the EDP, sorry...but i'd be happy to try and answer any questions you hav= e > about current functionality (or what might be coming up in the future) an= d i > know bob's on the list if you want to hear it from the horses mouth, as i= t > were! > Well I want to know about pitching, inserting (what kinds) multiplying, and what happens when you UN multiply, do you have something like Mobius=B4s powerful Divide function (the opposite of multiply) and (I always ask this rather fluffy question) How does it FEEL... once you are experienced, can you forget it, and just shoe-gaze your foot controller stamping about in your loop, freely and knowing you wont "Stop somethin" or get into a mode you wernt expecting? Or do you have to have a weather eye on the display? > > best > > sim > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_41362_26382878.1227784669841 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Simeon= Harris <simeonharris40@googlemail.com> wrote:
just wanted to chip in - the LP-1 is really 8 independent loops, not one lo= op with multiple tracks. the loops can be synced to the master track (which= is set by default to the first track you record, but you can change it as = you go along), or unsynced.

Thats what I tried to describe... ha ha its basically the same as = the Repeater, but with the ability of loops to be different lengths.(which = is of course HUGE)
 

per mentioned command chains and that's something we'= ;ve been talking about on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "c= ue" command into a string of commands, so that any function that appea= rs after the "cue" will happen at the loop boundary, not immediat= ely.

OK you got me...hooked now... And this all= INSIDE the looperlative? You mean a mini sequencer, that fires off command= s in sync with the clock, the "8ths value" or the loop boundary..= .? OH Wait... does the LP1 use 8th values or SUBcycles or whatever is calle= d?
 
=
at the moment however, you can cue tracks to start and stop = at the loop boundary and you can cue a track to start when the current one = stops

That seems like MORE LOOPS to me... just a different = way of thinking...

i can't really comment on comparisons, b= ecause i don't know anything about the EDP, sorry...but i'd be happ= y to try and answer any questions you have about current functionality (or = what might be coming up in the future) and i know bob's on the list if = you want to hear it from the horses mouth, as it were!

Well I want to know about pitching, inserting (what k= inds) multiplying, and what happens when you UN multiply, do you have somet= hing like Mobius=B4s powerful Divide function (the opposite of multiply) an= d (I always ask this rather fluffy question) How does it FEEL... once you a= re experienced, can you forget it, and just shoe-gaze your foot controller = stamping about in your loop, freely and knowing you wont "Stop somethi= n" or get into a mode you wernt expecting? Or do you have to have a we= ather eye on the display?

best

sim



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------=_Part_41362_26382878.1227784669841-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 11:21:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15CE83BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2lsr1fyNump/cw1qmI7B/R3jeSUvNg5b2UXP1u4bnN4=; b=NufvtEoSfheFQa+at4KeumC7N+Qk6sDat0Qt2cABSGKe9LiXUoS43C7wdAwp1Wj/i+ jIO3SVTi6HzO6YP5xQSMs9xgSJFpfv3oaVpn9fs/qVrRJK3IyTfXX85j6s0Lgw0Qrisi P2uGwtCJPjNe0GY4++ivyMFkZAyLTokxehwcw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w9gPaU3ZesedQ/7j+dNSc4DvPHbncPcu9sCqNAno0dFQrP4teHSp3/VFKilaV4GCo4 6fVMOe2cHGL+MSXpJ/rE1WlwgoGwp3hJqBX40yqhvbDtUh3WHB0NRRr8qsZBFLfdS6DC hfVpAidyT2P9ZiY4hPVlLRm6NpnUScsqTax3s= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811270321u1af594bby66cb4ea2ef97822@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:21:04 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:21:04 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 11:38 AM, mark francombe wrote: >> However, for me (not necessarily applying to you) this looper >> comparison is much a question about the ability to cue loops. The EDP >> does this with the function "Moore Loops" but the LP1 doesn't do it at >> all. > > Interesting I didnt know this, so with LP1 you are always basicaly IN ONE > LOOP, just one with multiple tracks, of difernt lengths, some muted, some > playing? ;-) Well.... weren't you just describing "multiple parallel loops"? If the loops had to be of the same length I would agree that we're talking about "one loop", but since the LP1 offers you track sync I think of it as many parallel loops playing back over different tracks. Not like the Repeater, that is to be regarded as one loop on four tracks, although any track can be a multiple length of any other (Multiply functionality). I thought a lot about this absence of MoreLoops-like cuing in LP1, also regarding SooperLooper, and in praxis you are able to set up your commands with "Mute" in a way that the LP1 actually behaves as if there was a loop cuing function. But when doing this you have to consider the limitation of eight tracks. Personally I have never played a song that use more than five cued loops though and I doubt eight stereo tracks would be a limit for me. I'm just more comfortable with using one track and cue up the loops on it to jump between them. > > Not true, you missunderstood... I DO USE More loops to do as you describe, > And never MUTE between tracks (Im guessing you mean on Repeater, cos EDP > doesnt do this... but I guess It would if I had 2) Ok. Well, on the LP1 you may want to get deep with muting. > I kind of use MORE LOOPS like a "quick save" If I get something going I like > I pop into loop 2 with soundcopy (I usually have moreloops =3) and hit > multiply, and go imediatly back to Loop1.. then continue to fuck about in > that loop, till either its different, or ruined ha ha, then I can pop back > into L1 to retrieve the nice version... I do that on Loop 2 as well, and I > have 2 "restore points" ha ha!!! Ah... I see! I do that too sometimes. On the EDP I did it very much, but now on Mobius I have sort of started to use the Undo/Redo buttons for this. Now when Mobius offers markers to cut out layers of no interest it is a pretty intuitive tool for real-time editing of your recent ramblings. >> In fact I had that setup long ago >> with an EDP, a Repeater and an Alesis MMT8 (later replaced by a >> PowerBook). Uuhhh... scary thought... must say I prefer my new way of >> doing it all inside one box, by different software. 'nuff said.. > > Heh heh... That Scary thought IS the setup I have now, except that I have a > drum machine instead of your MMT8... But I rarely use it with carefully > planned sequences, I just have a few nice edp glitching effects programmed > that I fire off once in a while. Yeah - I too used that looper routing more as "an effect box" than as a "realt-time composing box". A fun trick was to send pitch changing notes to the Repeater while overdubbing into it ;-)) But I found that easier to control with Augustus Loop hosted by Live 5 and later by Mobius scripting. I think an important point in using loopers is to free yourself from the need of performing prepared compositions in order to make the music sound interesting. Rather "bad" music, by traditional means, may come out extremely interesting from a live looping performance if you just keep up a quick flow in changing the loop over time. The mistake that often kills music in non looping situations is that the musicians "go too fast forward", presenting too much information at once and totally miss out on the storytelling aspect of music. With loopers it's just the natural way to build it up and you only have to be careful about the pace you lay out your story for the listener. And vice versa - loopist's trap is rather to go too slowly and become boring ;-)) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 11:54:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 907363BE7C; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=wsRbgiPAb1QwB9i6FqHwVYGoyJw4Gm6AZ4QVUKlMcIM=; b=ZIyF5TSmQQEyFEeJzLLoPTYS+pB4W0WAcPy+1d/v6dNiOGjzp9NEVDwCZWGESqJjeL S9v9fXGcJ55UxyaK4YIdlIA3fSaltWtDPtirgyGFoxWEsG940R7gdR2lnJXDo+bHAW6T orokXMJ2u10DAIIgdc7ksA9JDd/4UYSgdAxnQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=TiG80eItW0dmFmWVrfFqxIOQFTZJ/o77CKxUtzM8TUX9CA7XKaHKwqX8bQmG2UYtDV xLFZI8wsAWmIcAsP8AZ2sVknEOJbVpuqY2b7hCDXYyFKZavyB6s+InD/Rh9UrkdW+Xoo +UQs5wDp4xTlwSBMuJZYMVE6VDJCezk0bSDoI= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811270354p40c48777m72547e85e02f57d0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:54:32 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811270321u1af594bby66cb4ea2ef97822@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_42011_16327585.1227786872917" References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270321u1af594bby66cb4ea2ef97822@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 042139f50b899004 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 11:54:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_42011_16327585.1227786872917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I'm just more comfortable > with using one track and cue up the loops on it to jump between them. Totally.. Im easily confused as to what did I put on what track (in Mobius and Repeater) I still prefer the stay in one loop but jump to others paradigm. I think that by stopping and starting LP1 loops it could feel the same... but not sure... > > > > Yeah - I too used that looper routing more as "an effect box" than as > a "realt-time composing box". A fun trick was to send pitch changing > notes to the Repeater while overdubbing into it ;-)) But I found > that easier to control with Augustus Loop hosted by Live 5 and later > by Mobius scripting. I actually find it pretty easy doing my way, I actually have a dedicated hardware analog sequencer foe exactlt the effect you describe... not very useful often, and only good on Repeater at small increments due to the annoying slur that repeater has when pitching... (never understood why that is, I never use cards to record onto, only storage, so im in memory no? why the slur?) And > vice versa - loopist's trap is rather to go too slowly and become > boring ;-)) Phew.. doncha speak the truth my friend... tis the main difference between my bedroom performances and my live performances (I hope), why... I often go make a cup o char, leaving the loop, looping away in the background, now thats not only boring, but drives the girlfriend mad! M -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_42011_16327585.1227786872917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
 I'm just more comfortable
with using one track and cue up the loops on it to jump between them.

Totally.. Im easily confused as to what did I put on what track (in Mobius and Repeater) I still prefer the stay in one loop but jump to others paradigm.
I think that by stopping and starting LP1 loops it could feel the same... but not sure...



Yeah - I too used that looper routing more as "an effect box" than as
a "realt-time composing box". A fun trick was to send pitch changing
notes to the Repeater while overdubbing into it  ;-))  But I found
that easier to control with Augustus Loop hosted by Live 5 and later
by Mobius scripting.

I actually find it pretty easy doing my way,  I actually have a dedicated hardware analog sequencer foe exactlt the effect you describe... not very useful often, and only good on Repeater at small increments due to the annoying slur that repeater has when pitching... (never understood why that is, I never use cards to record onto, only storage, so im in memory no? why the slur?)


And
vice versa - loopist's trap is rather to go too slowly and become
boring ;-))

Phew.. doncha speak the truth my friend... tis the main difference between my bedroom performances and my live performances (I hope), why... I often go make a cup o char, leaving the loop, looping away in the background, now thats not only boring, but drives the girlfriend mad!


M


--
www.markfrancombe.com
http://vimeo.com/user825094
http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe
http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe
www.looop.no
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------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C9508A.E61F2700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 12:37:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 336ED3BE81; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:37:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NojNbJ18w4Oo55OOjKKv+0GSZR2z2t4c7V1o9hl4P0M=; b=ZgsrWjfw3Biqnr0hYElBymH8Hc5RA012rj4VlHDHFYJ+UZL20x1wfedQ5ASyyDxpHH T/+i0JNz8fXEk+rRdFdULgRDOKVTJTss1bzNU8YaeIFH5L0ovK8QqZDVXfAJmDdYww6x 0LM3RxjdC6BeRFqsJl4nADCD+rIQBSWC0qsmM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=j/nQ0wyhZQvtDBMr1pJsn4+Z3eOzTPmm9otPrvr/n/dSTVai0bNjkBRC8Kxar9uy4/ IfTGr6rdwkRVFsdc3H9TO9w2G8Cprng583dekva9Dpk/UsdW1gwDKI6OJLOwhfzBDK+a j1buwT0XoznTSk4kdsXoGHEm1zq9jbhHfNEgI= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811270437xa7d9251xd61fb9e73375fbce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:37:56 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270354p40c48777m72547e85e02f57d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270321u1af594bby66cb4ea2ef97822@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270354p40c48777m72547e85e02f57d0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 12:37:57 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 12:54 PM, mark francombe wrote: > >> I'm just more comfortable >> with using one track and cue up the loops on it to jump between them. > > Totally.. Im easily confused as to what did I put on what track (in Mobius > and Repeater) I still prefer the stay in one loop but jump to others > paradigm. I typically use a second, parallel loop (new track) in four particular situations: - if I want to slowly fade loops in or out while playing (done by foot controlled track specific Fade-In-Or-Out scripts) - if I plan to use varispeed to manipulate a drone loop to go through improvised chord change vamps ("playing" that loops pitch by foot pedals). - if I want to make a loop of a different length for rhythmic variation - if I loop with a special script for the Record button. This scripts first records on track 1, then changes the speed of that loop and moves on to track two to record and change the speed etc. After playing four rounds I end up with four recorded loop of the same original length, but now playing back at different lengths and at different speed and pan settings. This kick-off can sound good but is difficult to improvise freely with. Not a good all-round looping setup but quite specialized. >> >> Yeah - I too used that looper routing more as "an effect box" than as >> a "realt-time composing box". A fun trick was to send pitch changing >> notes to the Repeater while overdubbing into it ;-)) But I found >> that easier to control with Augustus Loop hosted by Live 5 and later >> by Mobius scripting. > > I actually find it pretty easy doing my way, I actually have a dedicated > hardware analog sequencer foe exactlt the effect you describe... not very > useful often, and only good on Repeater at small increments due to the > annoying slur that repeater has when pitching... (never understood why that > is, I never use cards to record onto, only storage, so im in memory no? why > the slur?) That's because the Repeater needs some time off to work out the maths for time-stretching the loops. The slew is the hardware method to deal with it while horrible noise artifacts is the software method to deal with it. If you think about it, no software that boasts Pitch Shift with Time Stretching (SL, Mobius) can actually perform it with a clean sound. This is why I chose to use varispeed instead; it's snappy and sounds good. But then you have to relate to the loop length changing with each pitch and find musical strategies to use it or cover up for it. >> And >> vice versa - loopist's trap is rather to go too slowly and become >> boring ;-)) > > Phew.. doncha speak the truth my friend... tis the main difference between > my bedroom performances and my live performances (I hope), why... I often go > make a cup o char, leaving the loop, looping away in the background, now > thats not only boring, but drives the girlfriend mad! LOL! My sons close their doors and put on head phones when I leave a loop on while tweaking levels or compressor settings for ten minutes :-) Can really be annoying for those around you that doesn't know what micro aspect of the sound you are working on. I know this phenomenon from years of studio work - neighboring businesses threatening with the police and everything... Once I was recording a Harley Davidson on the pavement outside the studio facility, using loudness padded mic on a stand while the guy rushed the engines. I was wearing headphones to cut out the loud engine noise, so I wasn't aware of all the shouting people around the block, just focusing on the task of sticking the mic up at the best angle and watching the VU meter to input a good feed to the DAT. That recording came out useless never the less, because the loud sound physically rocked all gear too hard. The sound of mechanical parts rattling inside the mic sort of distorted the recorded sound. We ended up snagging another HD recording from a film scoring guy ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 13:07:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 791293BE7F; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:07:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AiFGwsq4LWZquYmlB8D8zTL+LQpg5tBKUFrQ0Q+8kis=; b=H6DUoufcPtmDHLQSvxQk0S2T+n/6VQd9yRugk0flC9Xh8HaWLXu5kHV3Ki2Nu1XQmU TVLY062w325Y47BgDTeQqL6k6NGhDbaPCxKYKNww304uMv2pJz+Eo0qWazE0zsNEfXF8 Xgs1svNdGAl5AmmFkld+FnTwDHPL4N7/9qHco= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=T2hnOvGfUc+lUmGuwQCQvokpSms8C8B9ozyiBOLBvezLU4IBq07P0yQ6tVnyr9eYna w9XIcFI5hfabgt6raI8SlpxCsHMnZ9DHHA9rMYFr4fojiVmKUPhveVkIyi36/QcvNrog UcbTpQV9NahEdRPlAV3mFdinI5e3QxeGzBmA8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:07:18 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270317o20190556w911bebe1096187ea@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_36628_14747829.1227791238083" References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270238t6a2544c4ia9bafe1c3f80661@mail.gmail.com> <9ab0c76f0811270317o20190556w911bebe1096187ea@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:07:20 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_36628_14747829.1227791238083 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > >> per mentioned command chains and that's something we've been talking abo= ut >> on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "cue" command into a string= of >> commands, so that any function that appears after the "cue" will happen = at >> the loop boundary, not immediately. >> > > OK you got me...hooked now... And this all INSIDE the looperlative? You > mean a mini sequencer, that fires off commands in sync with the clock, th= e > "8ths value" or the loop boundary...? OH Wait... does the LP1 use 8th val= ues > or SUBcycles or whatever is called? > > no...not quite - the commands aren't synced - you press a button and the chain is sent to the lp-1 - we were just trying to figure out a way to quantise certain commands, like reverse, for example, so they didn't happen when you pressed the button, but when the loop reached it's boundary - just like quantised functions in sooperlooper, or the edp (i'm guessing) > Well I want to know about pitching, inserting (what kinds) multiplying, a= nd > what happens when you UN multiply, do you have something like Mobius=B4s > powerful Divide function (the opposite of multiply) and (I always ask thi= s > rather fluffy question) How does it FEEL... once you are experienced, can > you forget it, and just shoe-gaze your foot controller stamping about in > your loop, freely and knowing you wont "Stop somethin" or get into a mode > you wernt expecting? Or do you have to have a weather eye on the display? > >> pitching is like the old skool adjust the speed and pitch at the same time scenario. up one octave and down two. you can get discreet intervals if you have a midi controller that can send cc numbers of particular values inserting - yes, you can do this and it's quantised - i think it's called "replace" in the lp-1. i don't use this feature, so someone else will have to give you the lowdown you can multiply a track by any integer and there are pre-programmed values you can use for the most popular multiplications (chain them together for odd numbers etc) it feels pretty good. the display isn't terribly informative at the moment, anyway. internal syncing between loops is tight as a drum. the only area that needs some work is quantising of some functions, which bob is thinking about at the moment have a look at the wishlist to see the things is doesn't do ... http://www.looperlative.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D601 and have a look at the summary of upgrades to see what's been added recentl= y http://www.looperlative.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3D1&t=3D573 it's a good idea to join the forum...bob is extremely helpful and will be able to answer specific questions for you sim ------=_Part_36628_14747829.1227791238083 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

per mentioned command chains and that's something we'= ;ve been talking about on the forum a lot - the ability to insert a "c= ue" command into a string of commands, so that any function that appea= rs after the "cue" will happen at the loop boundary, not immediat= ely.

OK you got me...hooked now... And th= is all INSIDE the looperlative? You mean a mini sequencer, that fires off c= ommands in sync with the clock, the "8ths value" or the loop boun= dary...? OH Wait... does the LP1 use 8th values or SUBcycles or whatever is= called?
 

no...not quite - the com= mands aren't synced - you press a button and the chain is sent to the l= p-1 - we were just trying to figure out a way to quantise certain commands,= like reverse, for example, so they didn't happen when you pressed the = button, but when the loop reached it's boundary - just like quantised f= unctions in sooperlooper, or the edp (i'm guessing)

 
Well I want to know about pitching, inserting (what k= inds) multiplying, and what happens when you UN multiply, do you have somet= hing like Mobius=B4s powerful Divide function (the opposite of multiply) an= d (I always ask this rather fluffy question) How does it FEEL... once you a= re experienced, can you forget it, and just shoe-gaze your foot controller = stamping about in your loop, freely and knowing you wont "Stop somethi= n" or get into a mode you wernt expecting? Or do you have to have a we= ather eye on the display?

pitching is = like the old skool adjust the speed and pitch at the same time scenario. up= one octave and down two. you can get discreet intervals if you have a midi= controller that can send cc numbers of particular values
inserting - yes, you can do this and it's quantised - i think it&#= 39;s called "replace" in the lp-1. i don't use this feature, = so someone else will have to give you the lowdown
you can multipl= y a track by any integer and there are pre-programmed values you can use fo= r the most popular multiplications (chain them together for odd numbers etc= )
it feels pretty good. the display isn't terribly informative at th= e moment, anyway. internal syncing between loops is tight as a drum. the on= ly area that needs some work is quantising of some functions, which bob is = thinking about at the moment

have a look at the wishlist to see the things is doesn&= #39;t do ...


and have a look at the summary of upgrades to see= what's been added recently


it's a good idea to join the forum...bob is e= xtremely helpful and will be able to answer specific questions for you

sim

 
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 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 18:07:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82A1E3BE7C; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: "'Sjaak'" , References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Subject: RE: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:07:19 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Thread-Index: AclQrrF61PSQuei2ThWp2MDDq4j43wAC9fjQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:07:26 +0000 (UTC) Lovely, more than ever, the world needs beautiful music. Bill Hi fellow loopers, In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and Kaosspad 3. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 18:30:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E57ED3BE80; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ab0c76f0811270139y5283ff4ey2d4355b93f238a3a@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811270209h296fe85fm34c5d7d80f1504f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:27:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: What shall I buy? EDP or Looperlative? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:30:25 +0000 (UTC) At 11:09 AM +0100 11/27/08, Per Boysen wrote: >In my view it is better to have two units of different >functionality than having two identical I agree. That's why I have an EDP and an RC-20XL. -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgans Music: http://www.cdbaby.com/all/dgans From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 20:19:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88D543BE7B; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=Of0DIhlVN67co/g2fnyvQAUwcPvGQXu0LvaBAAipLdc=; b=KTWC/OUeJrmccJk0LS5sMPo4RuTqLsqVqFUbgh13qNUC3JQNCv3mINtmXdLg0d38EK 43AYsBI9F0tZ+WcigxfjpPnoB9SL0BlX5DMzUXU9puSAy75Fn4bwceHsffNcGmhLvjma ZOQDz5VRmmL5RLytiEXMJK3C4LLLi8UhhvlnI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=PJ4oRytbketf/Tom3Dm3y24p3rjsu1et9EazBLmYxiA430oWczt8ifqg13BUXuo1GM zCpI8IMzcMiJ4kaAkSkjzhUN/vDTRhVZ1f9b1+ORPW2yFZqwlKy8rejE76vhIflUhYQA yatUKvYWhnzxHImrqiFk94kfUr8wAZvMpcDAk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 15:19:15 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: loopers-delight Subject: Geo-location Survey MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13808_26457226.1227817155437" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:19:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13808_26457226.1227817155437 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A real quick question that I need as many answers to before Monday morning (don't ask, I'll reveal later anyway): How many loopers on the list (and if anyone knows of any OFF the list, let me know, too) live within 300 miles of Laramie, Wyoming ... Krispen, I know you're in Boise, Idaho, which in Texas Driving Terms is close ... Let me know ... thanks! Dennis -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_13808_26457226.1227817155437 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline A real quick question that I need as many answers to before Monday morning (don't ask, I'll reveal later anyway):

How many loopers on the list (and if anyone knows of any OFF the list, let me know, too) live within 300 miles of Laramie, Wyoming ... Krispen, I know you're in Boise, Idaho, which in Texas Driving Terms is close ...

Let me know ... thanks!

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------=_Part_13808_26457226.1227817155437-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 20:39:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 244FC3BE7E; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:39:23 UTC Message-ID: <8ACC5544DD0B4BF9A53C936F9E0CE79E@pcfabio> From: "eterogeneo" To: References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 19:30:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: <7WkkSD.A.lnB.7VwLJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm back to the list after a few months adn a lot of work done... Lots of interesting discussion (as usual) .... Just to say "Hello" to all the loopers here and my compliments to Sjaak for his piece of music... fabio www.eterogeneo.com www.myspace.com/eteropgeneo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" To: Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:34 AM Subject: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" > Hi fellow loopers, > In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this > soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and > Kaosspad 3. > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3 > > Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out well in combination > with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's parameters with the LED matrix > and the buttons! :) > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 26/11/2008 8.53 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 21:05:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A5443BE7F; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RmzDcZ6cPdDkdLFA+V3XjqEsiHgWmJ2R/j2AzLYJbOk=; b=LBZEK1fdodTVncjqF/A/Yx2gsNXSfq6RthQ3m4TTp7evw1Kgm5zpIqRJbjSaxOU5y3 HyvRd3yrWgwJemtEq/4DAW1CKvz8bWJQcooW9IPvMxMsFPJEavwa7dX2TUyFIhy1+5uy qFCUC6L6S/Ek0cMNpU4CV7okTQQ3x6ikt0Sm4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=bjioE+I8bUtZd/m0vGnm4fcrg5xOrdJL9bGMZu3QAojUv+X5foH7RCTkjZTd/fIdoM b3xj7n9Gy44JE3lMZiGXOFDihhwIi51WaUQh/43hvMOsFF9Yimj8oTWmTobVdrmKNDLK UISJNfxkfezOl/lfSADDOxFMXRXEfDeeYF3oE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811271304p18fdafbbg192faec5dc84dc64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:04:58 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" In-Reply-To: <8ACC5544DD0B4BF9A53C936F9E0CE79E@pcfabio> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> <8ACC5544DD0B4BF9A53C936F9E0CE79E@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:05:00 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:30 PM, eterogeneo wrote: > "Hello" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sjaak" > >> http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3 "Welcome back" to Fabio and "Thank you for that nice piece of music" to Sjaak. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From omramusa00@yahoo.co.th Thu Nov 27 21:40:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 377 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:40:02 UTC Received: from mail.webnow.com (mail.webnow.com [216.28.188.16]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4FF3BE7B for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:40:02 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:01:16 -0500 Message-Id: <200811271601.AA104989678@mail.webnow.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "omramusa" Reply-To: X-Sender: To: <@mail.webnow.com> Subject: THE DESK OF OMRA MUSA X-Mailer: THE DESK OF OMRA MUSA AUDITS & ACCOUNTS DEPT AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK Ouagadougou Burkina Faso. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Nov 27 23:31:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C1483BE7E; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references :in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=8xp4z4sRMVviGwhcqn6du5NOBVECjPjvPkIKIpSrzU4=; b=d/9MWGLYve9qKB6DkmjU4L15iWzxl52s2YmRDvnr/o5+zWeBhbDXA5UWNMo0675umo KUbFlA09SiwX7fEvH6e3e9MZVSMo5cjg8yLJ1e0oI7DLkmgUYWcJKew4/aXyyuFD7ZUT wz86x6lHdkspkM1CVc7EIMXgNAk4q39fmHyi8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=X4YTOtmiOF3OEKDix/nfk/g55rjsyx5xWsCE7WKHLO3VFZf3+/Nut7i6Q2ciaVzql4 GPY4nzQnPHiFyfXAOVgpoG/X92qSkeenAUzij7xw6lkNkFc7c4mc4d6hJnqXpcHzmbDu 5vcpzYygMgGggGRJTGhY5GezYz+kCk/3HMCus= From: "Tony K" To: References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> <9ab0c76f0811270012v740fc39dl359d82bfffc43ec@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0811270012v740fc39dl359d82bfffc43ec@mail.gmail.com> Subject: RE: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:31:34 -0500 Message-ID: <009401c950e8$4e526ff0$eaf74fd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C950BE.657C67F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AclQZ+m7WvyYpUynRdinGoIWIbNT2QAgEQWA Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:31:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C950BE.657C67F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is I the RX1602? I have one of those. What's your other mixer? From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of mark francombe Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:12 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? Ahh.. well its a rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts... On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board for this sort of thing. It would be easier to answer the question if we new what "the main board" was. -J -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 8:53 AM ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C950BE.657C67F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Is I the RX1602?  I have one of those.  = What’s your other mixer?

 

From:= markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of = mark francombe
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:12 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the = wiring??

 

Ahh.. well its a = rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts...

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> = wrote:

You would probably = be better off using direct outs off the main board
for this sort of thing.  It would be easier to answer the question = if
we new what "the main board" was.

-J




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 02:00:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C27153BE7E; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=jehJMWxOz4i5qwrr0OiuigkcApXGe+H4QM+JcSkOmCg=; b=xrnBmthfRXOwDba12nhxAZBGVcl+NTbn1R7PFDUUYDUw9w8S6rR5HoEbB3+WIkVMdl c5kadfVPVO3pqiNqYWslgaZhhe52J+gO5BysYxjvv1uTbz56jLeT3DGlQsOxPu8B/H96 EigsQUamGsL2pK05qENTWc6emVfc2Hk+/oCtI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=AGnVZ7h7DJaYZEBkAx++R8Ww+3WkklwPRTfn3lL6jLc1BZE0snfx9i4Vjh/bL9nYuJ z0IteaV/P+n13CoX7037TDW6ou3fLo46rLCqhAi9oxDB7O6vfZWsXmr4PSe8CA5C/idL sFVGsp7iTOOJt6LiYpR3EPx2CssNvSL9e55jk= Message-ID: <1c3a4db00811271800k11faa83dnf1fe98ff8da6e1e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:00:20 -0600 From: "marcus kirby" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" In-Reply-To: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60967_8175531.1227837620351" References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_60967_8175531.1227837620351 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds awesome. What are you using for distortion/pad sounds? On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Sjaak wrote: > Hi fellow loopers, > In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this > soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and > Kaosspad 3. > http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3 > > Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out well in combination > with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's parameters with the LED matrix > and the buttons! :) > --- > Sjaak > http://www.livelooping.be/ > http://www.overgaauw.be/ > http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw > > > ------=_Part_60967_8175531.1227837620351 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sounds awesome.

What are you using for distortion/pad sounds?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Sjaak <tcplugin@scarlet.be> wrote:
Hi fellow loopers,
In time of crises...why not uploading more free music like this
soundscape. Details: live recorded at home with a LP1, DD-20 and
Kaosspad 3.
http://euroloopfest.com/sjaak/04%20Things%20we%20don't%20know.mp3

Rick => the KP3 controller experiment did work out well in combination
with the LP1. I'm controlling all it's parameters with the LED matrix
and the buttons! :)
---
Sjaak
http://www.livelooping.be/
http://www.overgaauw.be/
http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw



------=_Part_60967_8175531.1227837620351-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 07:29:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AC143BE7E; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=gnTQpVIac/tSXGfcY+HIO1oRf1x03VBph8xW88C3T94=; b=QAS7+Atb5+fYSU3JX/Qxx1my8EhTI6nnRUUnwxfP6O8l1M80Y4Xfswn9d952dfJX6/ XDvWuD+cbopaQwSPj1NEHMR5ncNoCi6b/Y8AdX8ZYjyAW/vntxbNwo1ftuSg2bRf7JMc n7L17EzUqulaJoKL7YVTH9ZEvurVabYYKOB9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=QsCZM3BVpYHYTY24E7kAHaM9BOIJegJwlgXyjViAve93tRnvJduBKScBv3W9+88A5t Dt87LGEY+bfkgtNx7JNiUB1umyAJBldAz2a+ruJgF29EENwnxue3oDq8zuNdY3UYqCUN T5DqLox4X5p4hSnMp+mwEfzOqy1ekOcVLp2ZA= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811272329g347b83e2s48922d1ee37916cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:29:17 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? In-Reply-To: <009401c950e8$4e526ff0$eaf74fd0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_52843_17543543.1227857357245" References: <9ab0c76f0811261452s26cccf83je4badd9ebcd26e3a@mail.gmail.com> <000b01c9501c$3d1fa440$b75eecc0$@com> <9ab0c76f0811270012v740fc39dl359d82bfffc43ec@mail.gmail.com> <009401c950e8$4e526ff0$eaf74fd0$@com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 411e53e030a157a2 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:29:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_52843_17543543.1227857357245 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thats my mini mixer yes, very happy with it I also have the RX1202, which Im not so happy with... is ok, but wish I had bought 2 of the 1602 and a reverb now.. mark On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tony K wrote: > Is I the RX1602? I have one of those. What's your other mixer? > > > > *From:* markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] *On > Behalf Of *mark francombe > *Sent:* Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:12 AM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring?? > > > > Ahh.. well its a rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts... > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > > You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board > for this sort of thing. It would be easier to answer the question if > we new what "the main board" was. > > -J > > > > > -- > www.markfrancombe.com > http://vimeo.com/user825094 > http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe > http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe > www.looop.no > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1813 - Release Date: 11/26/2008 > 8:53 AM > -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_52843_17543543.1227857357245 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thats my mini mixer yes, very happy with it I also have the RX1202, which Im not so happy with... is ok, but wish I had bought 2 of the 1602 and a reverb now..
mark

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Tony K <bigtonyk@gmail.com> wrote:

Is I the RX1602?  I have one of those.  What's your other mixer?

 

From: markfrancombe@gmail.com [mailto:markfrancombe@gmail.com] On Behalf Of mark francombe
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:12 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Mixer Inserts, what the wiring??

 

Ahh.. well its a rack mount Behringer... no direct outs but has inserts...

On Thu, Nov 27, 2008 at 7:53 AM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> wrote:

You would probably be better off using direct outs off the main board
for this sort of thing.  It would be easier to answer the question if
we new what "the main board" was.

-J




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------=_Part_52843_17543543.1227857357245-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 07:43:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 304813BE7C; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:43:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=K2dG16pQxwVE5fGTxViIrW48KmPKzOAnVsfSkxGyE6w=; b=C1/ZkdGjrhIHf/Z7hTCldsDGAaw7uG+FNSPbueRnFpZeNDtrBhn/uDl6YR459KD7bO m2Zclbn6SF9RWVRdqj4iz29LohQUm72/GBEf47v20o9RNTR5vCmqgNtZNNo2ak7HyQod vIEa//D1v57IqrCjyT/Ra8OnMuBYor1DgD7BU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JfDYov+ys6Qh5f1Cvciq3eZsncGghsIldfFJ5SZ3VqobjB1oCR1QoqUBKzeGCU0rYs XCzuQiiDKl7tJea/pcIA0fEu0WzHDex5ESJMdRR4OHCOohX4zvgjWteq6VLtSiWBK02b mGiRGW5I2vtInXTEk3qiEJVCw6uBU3cVD59L4= Message-ID: <9e0440a60811272343s6203ff00v1a355d99aca5e5dd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:43:16 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New Inspiration on the holiday evening MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63242_7115882.1227858196355" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:43:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_63242_7115882.1227858196355 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Over the last year + I spent quite bit of time developing some ability on the violin, initially an electric from a fathers day gift which led to an acoustic the following fathers day. Back in the summer I decided to put it down for awhile focusing more on my plucked fretless explorations with the guitar and another new instrument to me in 08, an oud. I've recently been inspired to return to the violin some and have been pleased that the technique has not drifted. For some reason maybe it's just a more relaxed time but I have a habit of having some fertile music sessions on holidays and Thanksgiving (by the way happy belated to all who celebrated the time) evening and this early morning hours were no less. Here are 5 trax I improvised all done with an EHX 2880 4-track looper (special thanks to Jeff Duke who turned me on to this box back in the summer) that I've just begun to scratch the surface on. http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/251618/Jim_Goodin_Sleigh.mp3 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/251618/Jim_Goodin_Shaman.mp3 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/251618/Jim_Goodin_Drone.mp3 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/251618/Jim_Goodin_Oneath_By_Land.mp3 http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/251618/Jim_Goodin_Country.mp3 Thanks for listening and all good things... Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_63242_7115882.1227858196355 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Over the last year + I spent quite bit of time developing some ability on the violin, initially an electric from a fathers day gift which led to an acoustic the following fathers day.  Back in the summer I decided to put it down for awhile focusing more on my plucked fretless explorations with the guitar and another new instrument to me in 08, an oud.  I've recently been inspired to return to the violin some and have been pleased that the technique has not drifted.  For some reason maybe it's just a more relaxed time but I have a habit of having some fertile music sessions on holidays and Thanksgiving (by the way happy belated to all who celebrated the time) evening and this early morning hours were no less.
 
Here are 5 trax I improvised all done with an EHX 2880 4-track looper (special thanks to Jeff Duke who turned me on to this box back in the summer) that I've just begun to scratch the surface on.
 
 
Thanks for listening and all good things...
 
Jim

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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_63242_7115882.1227858196355-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 08:04:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 838A43BE77; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> Subject: RE: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:04:19 +0100 Message-ID: <003001c9512f$eb9abff0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclQeZNvlQrzcxLXT1Kv/Bm2WcWIJAAtkPwg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 In-Reply-To: <000001c95027$e49b2810$020313ac@PIPO> X-AntiVirus: checked (outgoing) by AntiVir MailGuard (Version: 8.0.0.45; AVE: 8.2.0.35; VDF: 7.1.0.145) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:04:25 +0000 (UTC) very nice Sjaak!! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 08:07:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F5D23BE82; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XRp4MA1Js2T4V/0aoEtiU6kdz4uJ4jRLh8ah51reGt85KWYxVrX+jd1Zunb+MdC///BbzMANoQ0HTkd6x3exOuft+uM8jRq5BtGHHjhDEshNEVm4i/mi7yToQcyLc7CK0+VNFpfI+yWvFqaw3MIG4rTwYD3n4q7RYs7mAQmErq0=; X-YMail-OSG: Rui64Z0VM1lvtkSk64q49qoZmQbKH8wSdsLfwXCB3rXYUFaLpvhnG7INoEWL5.78SJAUEviCwWTvFkw_Ve1g1s4No1B8kKyeUzN9_j_RWsLB9N1I_bSo5T0PWTEqlVSKunAmFQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:07:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Vimeo Group To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <32F499AE-78BD-41D4-B2DD-0D4A856A4819@atarde.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <43143.40472.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1c7lWD.A.ypF.Qb6LJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 08:07:44 +0000 (UTC) I know the feeling Matthias,the most beautiful experience in the world congratulations! Luis > so far my state, spontaneously. apart from this, I should > finish the EDP emulation plugin and update my site... > ... and Icaue seduces me to just look at him... :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 09:18:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD98D3BE7C; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: VIDEO PROJECTOR LAST MINUTE ADVISE Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:16:50 -0800 Message-Id: <20081128090632.M78391@cruzio.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:18:02 +0000 (UTC) With advice, I looked at the EPSON S5 SVGA projector (for $450 USD) and discovered that it projected at a maximum screen resolution of 800 X 600 then I looked at the next one up the price chain: Epson PowerLite 77c VGA projector (for $550 USD) with a maximum screen resolution of 1024 X 768 A couple of last minute questions (I can get free shipping if I purchase in the next 72 hours so I want to buy it quickly if I can get enough questions answered: 1) my videos are low quality (mostly 800 X 600)...........is there any advantage to paying the extra 100 smackers to get the 1024 X 768 VGA as opposed to the older, cheaper 800 X 600 SVGA monitor? 2) Will this projector work with my MacBook Pro.? In critical reviews it has been faulted for NOT having HDMI connectivity, but I think I just want to project my own art/looping videos live with it. 3) Lastly, this is obvious trailing technology as there are the new DLP projectors out with much more connectivity. Am I being foolish buying this older LCD technology (I hear that colors are actually warmer with LCD but just don't know. This unit is really inexpensive, but then, so is my budget. Thanks for your advice, Rick Walker -- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 09:50:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8083BE81; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:50:13 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Free download - dark ambient soundcape "Things we don't know" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.7.91.126 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: sif; whitelist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:50:15 +0000 (UTC) First of all: thank you for all your compliments. As you may know, I'm no= t an experienced looper compared to most LD dinosaurs here ;) I've been p= racticing a lot lately, trying out different looping strategies, recorde= d most rehearsal sessions ("Things we don't know" was a result of that) t= o analyze it later. Analyzing your own stuff helps you a lot finding out = what works and what doesn=92t work: short loops, long loops, effects, how= to build up a song etc But in fact, without this list this song wouldn=92t have seen the light. = So thank you LD list :) Recording your own stuff was a tip from a LD memb= er! > Marcus Kirby wrote: > Sounds awesome. > What are you using for distortion/pad sounds? Here I used a Yamaha S90ES synthesizer only. This is sample based synthes= izer (100% digital) with the same engine as the Motif ES. The patches hav= e been programmed by my self. The guitar like patch is processed by the i= nternal FX (distortion with feedback) in combination with low filter cut = off settings and high resonance I control using a modulation wheel. The s= ound is also processed by a long analog delay effect from the DD-20. The pad sound you here is a =93violin + analog string like=94 patch I pro= grammed and is also processed by the DD-20. I used the low registers to a= dd a Taurus bass pedals effect. --- Sjaak http://www.livelooping.be/ http://www.overgaauw.be/ http://www.myspace.com/sjaakovergaauw=0A --- Reeds meer dan 2000 Scarlet klanten betalen geen abonnement meer! Doe mee en surf ook gratis! >> http://www.scarlet.be/nl/mgm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 12:34:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D8913BE7C; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:34:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xr/X/QTM37eT+RGs8ZYNAYVAO7/Ky0kp7iNLjshWI/Q=; b=qIFjtehK0O/4fsMYMUJQUgUXJ3jNCiO6/lAk+DkmvkL+FVo6SwLtpR+DODO6TjS6cw n94ljfaq3/gLUMPm13+I7u3nw6UXCihiXFcN0mln5+JJCAC3AbFfv/qm9izO4xMeMCWe EEXGPmm6gPc3UqjA3kfe+QwAi9d2nYFx8DHFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=xtpZXobnyj+SXnO/AEY5ks1e0O/iLpa/OtaLS59sRZN8JdLjGszDUv177K0NQgnBUO saxA7x8gu2FphGR90stgt3ypukF3ksRE9rSF9g3dVCjEFA8gz4GKKggB9PZhHMhyzvmb 78tquTxRr0QL/n+p2iuVfaRtuaFEQQjBSYums= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:34:07 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Culture sample pack (was New CD Project - Looking for a Partner) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:34:09 +0000 (UTC) including the african percussive dance element in sampled music got me thinkin a bit....As a drummer, percussionist and daubuka player (plus other small perc) i hear music along these lines and a prime motivation for exploring looping was to be able to practice against rhythms i have recorded myself and get a feel for poly rhythmic playing...since we all know how difficult it is to get 4-5 guys in the same room together exploring music without the all pervading monetary element. but...having little experience with recording techniques i am never fully satified with the sounds of my playing when recorded. If i were to get booked to put together a show reel i would hesitate to use my playing as i am a bit insecure about my recording chops. recording drums is a pain in the ass to put it mildy I would like to hear the african latin arabic rhythmic elements in the music i create without having to shlep with the pains of recording quality sounds. I was looking at a sample pack of world ethnic, orchestral and industrial sounds called culture. by yellow tools in order to solve this prob and get into programming the patterns in Gona have a look around for other similar packs but i thought i would fish around this knowledgeable group for any other recommendations A combination of those sounds with say stylus would give that african/latin/arabic/dance vibe, aswell as keeping to the aesthetic of electronic and sampled music Respect Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 19:23:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 202FD3BE7C; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.13.0.080930 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:23:04 -0800 Subject: Re: VIDEO PROJECTOR LAST MINUTE ADVISE From: Qua Veda To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: VIDEO PROJECTOR LAST MINUTE ADVISE Thread-Index: AclRjrwd6lJG/ro2hUuyday7SPbm3w== In-Reply-To: <20081128090632.M78391@cruzio.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:23:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick I bought an Epson projector, I think it was a powerlight for $500 on sale at the Epson website. I got for our spiritual center, so I don't have it here at home to look at the model #. But I wanted one that had 1024x769 since this is a much more typical screen resolution for laptops. That will make it easier to sync the laptop and projector. I would strongly suggest you spend a few $ extra for the 1024x768. But don't worry about HD or DLP. Hope you had a great thanksgiving -Qua On 11/28/08 1:16 AM, "Rick Walker" wrote: > > With advice, I looked at the > > EPSON S5 SVGA projector (for $450 USD) > > and discovered that it projected at a maximum screen resolution of > 800 X 600 > > then I looked at the next one up the price chain: > > Epson PowerLite 77c VGA projector (for $550 USD) > > with a maximum screen resolution of 1024 X 768 > > > A couple of last minute questions (I can get free shipping if I purchase in > the next > 72 hours so I want to buy it quickly if I can get enough questions answered: > > 1) my videos are low quality (mostly 800 X 600)...........is there any > advantage to paying the extra > 100 smackers to get the 1024 X 768 VGA as opposed to the older, cheaper 800 > X 600 SVGA > monitor? > > 2) Will this projector work with my MacBook Pro.? > > In critical reviews it has been faulted for NOT having HDMI connectivity, but > I think > I just want to project my own art/looping videos live with it. > > > 3) Lastly, this is obvious trailing technology as there are the new DLP > projectors out with much > more connectivity. Am I being foolish buying this older LCD technology > (I hear that colors are > actually warmer with LCD but just don't know. > > This unit is really inexpensive, but then, so is my budget. > > Thanks for your advice, > > Rick Walker > > > -- > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 21:24:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEEE53BE81; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 113444647/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.161.254/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.161.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvUAAAPwL0lPRqH+/2dsb2JhbAAIjm7BVIJ9g3c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,684,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="113444647" Message-ID: <4930626F.1020105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:28:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT Re: VIDEO PROJECTOR LAST MINUTE ADVISE References: <20081128090632.M78391@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081128090632.M78391@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:24:25 +0000 (UTC) > 1) my videos are low quality (mostly 800 X 600)...........is there any advantage to paying the extra > 100 smackers to get the 1024 X 768 VGA as opposed to the older, cheaper 800 X 600 SVGA > monitor? > I would have thought that displaying an 800x600 file at 1024x768 is going to make it slightly less sharp. So don't go for that just for the resolution figure. The other specs for the 2 machines might be worth comparing however. andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Nov 28 21:36:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC5183BE7C; Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=Obny2/T09KIzKmvlEk2hGfmvmAB16FGaUlGtLHcDzP3LsUZVjvI7eyeGVjmLi/h836zrRodUzGZj4oQgJl2fM4ky49CmG/UzG2vUGUV2dT246yd8XpWV5lBuWO+YigAGYXKl7Z2MxGZOfRM0wRraZojAl5ZnsWzPB9FtIlHHoIc=; X-YMail-OSG: eu2tRhYVM1ljsJ_kvT4N8PoDbUgOl6_ivnzzmMm9EXmvzbsPoaR5MVa8IcEb8YNO5klkMOH7W3DpuOEBue0Pd4YLMXeyP3i5REVW.svfyqpQ8gRdCfzIu6r4sHC5uAOJQYIX5KeUvtCbENdOBkA5fj5GtSrCDwHF_dUT3xk- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:36:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: stevoj@yahoo.com Subject: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <14599.46462.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:36:02 +0000 (UTC) I've had my lovely EDP for about a week now, but have found an issue that I haven't been able to solve in the archives of LD or in the manual, so I'm wondering if the collective brains out there could help me out. I've managed to work out how to use TempoSelect with a single loop, but if I try to set the tempo when I'm using a 2-loop preset, I find that the 2nd loop does not have a set tempo. If I do a reset of the 2nd loop, then set the tempo of that loop, then carry on, things are OK. But I can't do this in a live situation because, (a) it isn't a seamless operation and, (b) it doesn't always seem to work properly anyway. Once it's working, I save the preset, but every time I return to this preset, I'm faced with the same problem. I hope my explanation of the problem makes sense. Am I doing something wrong here, or will I have to live with using a single loop if I want to use TempoSelect? No big deal really. I've tried setting LoopCopy to = timing, but it still doesn't work. This seems strange, as I'd expect that to force the length of loop 2 to the same as loop 1. Stephen Scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 00:12:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ABAD3BE7E; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4CE85934-8F1F-4E15-A75D-6D0058D0EED0@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: FS: Little DD-20 looping rig, complete Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:12:52 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Selling my little cheap-as-poss. stereo looping rig: A Boss DD-20 with =20= a 3rd-Hand foot pedal attached to the delay feedback, plus an Ernie =20 Ball stereo volume pedal for actually-goes-to-0dB input control. =20 Includes a PSA-120 adapter, and a little plastic Boss foot switch for =20= jacking into the back of the DD-20 to tap tempo, etc. Clean, =20 untraveled, and documented. They're pals; can't bare to separate=85 Picture here: http://tinyurl.com/6dpfeu Product details: DD-20: http://tinyurl.com/6dyp3n 3rd Hand: http://tinyurl.com/666kq7 Ernie Ball: http://tinyurl.com/6dj2r4 Best offer over $325, plus shipping. Thanks, David 1096 Winchuck River Road Brookings, OR 97415 541-412-2793 (I'll be away tomorrow, back Sunday afternoon) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 01:42:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5B943BE82; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: FS: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:42:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:42:44 +0000 (UTC) Offering up my rare and delightful 8-band delay/chorus, the Yamaha UD Stomp, plus an EV-5 pedal, essential for fully exploring the potential of this innovative device. Picture here: http://tinyurl.com/5fkcyz Details here: http://tinyurl.com/6xbor3 http://tinyurl.com/6do2ce Best offer over $325 David 1096 Winchuck River Road Brookings, OR 97415 541-412-2793 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 02:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16E9F3BE82; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:44:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:44:47 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=LqQdid2K/8mDvLp8BbD/ybY/v6UZlw8PN6co/+bMDOCv/4O2vEfEC3ANqmFhfJweegNOGhZu94I1SFEpbkzVUfuUl2h49Hc9ZZ/M86JxPIGBKyQcsARKTu9SmqmTp36pzF40MOjwxy27hbNZVnLxT5drIgwzxWX/DA5ejsp4PMw=; X-YMail-OSG: e21lvkQVM1mWRGSJEfYWhgpZ9lHww23Ho7gvY8ApyXAUNLns5AKRLLgEkuCH5vzlb4HKZOPBBnzcXja8IHDYWEQTaQL.cvrYcnoOUuC_6btTBaCu3fQYhEYWLycQ5DN.KprAXMwDxIWpmX9zo.7ObR7bjMunEhqxclQ9DdPvy3k2ZoecNH2sDvej.qo- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:38:05 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Reply-To: vsyevolod@yahoo.com Subject: Passings: Adi Da To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081128074318.AEA9C3BE81@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <203222.19263.qm@web52807.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:44:47 +0000 (UTC) http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=107501 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 03:57:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA4F3BE81; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1227931029; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=xKaTCDkUWoirt9fPWco7f7Gv2rs=; b=B084tvq+hFaWAMcL8rrsuc5Y8BBjAZ+PdPgoBsbOHy/15FKxOoBlm0pF6n7CK1zv 4GymaP+tDf4XyvJbuDoBIIs/MhTSeyNiUjkAxgzXun/Hk06F/CzM2h130Dn4yIRQ; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6D-Hy7tQAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=6ReozMscHbbPphd_NckA:9 a=iI01NZlHMbWXp_fmIm8A:7 a=_8m5W0zB40kvwv2BpsIiPmqxfckA:4 a=tdc9JH7-pTsA:10 a=rc6XHIZqNUkA:10 a=bNY53RnJvKUA:10 a=yZ-nm1RdKO4A:10 a=v6MMM96S_sUA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <001201c951d6$79876f60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:56:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:57:10 +0000 (UTC) David, Does this do reverse delays? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Coffin" To: Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:42 PM Subject: FS: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal > Offering up my rare and delightful 8-band delay/chorus, the Yamaha UD > Stomp, plus an EV-5 pedal, essential for fully exploring the potential > of this innovative device. > > Picture here: http://tinyurl.com/5fkcyz > > Details here: http://tinyurl.com/6xbor3 > http://tinyurl.com/6do2ce > > Best offer over $325 > > David > > 1096 Winchuck River Road > Brookings, OR 97415 > 541-412-2793 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1817 - Release Date: 11/28/2008 8:17 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 04:14:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E40FD3BE84; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5/ugp/HT9u28LJqPB/sNLZ5SLmk3vQedVkv5ukWdpt4=; b=hmev+7qcCiQ8HMFJ0PQk/AtXj0OA5+3UC+DD0CwY8W6ac0F2dYauh+goqqa6o6DXMI 2Oo4+XaR2ZEV3EQQ/54bwAgo1ziIRCh3I/UW4RVFc7W29jWHN3ht9y5mojHmDhTyQwXd t2lqvnKPhF3i2Dy/jPTtWFJpFYHMljkLyj3uM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uv+5eLk1YR7w9+c6b+UF7DPLEd6w4jBDbkyshDH632CEpO7wG7bbmOVvNrnNv+zJZs Dqgt2IC4HryIUyhdEOvJ4QD9ATM3dMid3ObY3v7REAVAa84jiWauKIbizmUiqulWjvAd rbtT2Wdda5S23TrX4qSKIAzD2RumZphjn2YUE= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:14:18 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal In-Reply-To: <001201c951d6$79876f60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37157_913422.1227932058527" References: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> <001201c951d6$79876f60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: <6qxzRD.A.HTF.bGMMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 04:14:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37157_913422.1227932058527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one, and no, it does not do reverse delay. TH On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > David, Does this do reverse delays? > > ------=_Part_37157_913422.1227932058527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have one, and no, it does not do reverse delay.

TH

On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jeff Duke <jeff_d@embarqmail.com> wrote:
David, Does this do reverse delays?


------=_Part_37157_913422.1227932058527-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 06:28:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C1FC3BE84; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: David Coffin To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001201c951d6$79876f60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: Yamaha UD Stomp w/ Exp. pedal X-Priority: 3 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:28:15 -0800 References: <975A7747-0B8E-4D5E-AA2D-7B9BA19DA404@earthlink.net> <001201c951d6$79876f60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:28:17 +0000 (UTC) No, but the DD-20 does. The UD excels at moding the delay times which creates pitch shifts, chorusing, flanging, etc. Each of the 8 delay lines can do different things, or all the same thing, and be linked in various parallel and series combos. It's not a delay, it's a box of delays, with a serious weirdness potential, to be sure, but it was designed to be Alan Holdsworth's ultimate "classic" device, not a mangler, so you have to go digging for the weird and unheard. Cross- fadable multi-rhythm multi-taps and glossy shimmers are what I loved most about it. UD manual: http://www.yamaha.com/yamahavgn/Documents/Guitars/udstomp.pdf dc On Nov 28, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > David, Does this do reverse delays? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 06:57:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28FC3BE82; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:57:40 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hacyWoWQcUW/w8Qr4yPmfrWHd5RfdvLPZPGMuufYWO1zbY0XSPgV+3WU5JYPSk9itbFsTxPmzzDRCl1T6h9rFnXHpG03l7SKSnwhZKswkAgBr2o5ZQseVoiVx2RdXx/1lST8xQbuCePeuYzZVT8vnEp5X5we60Krj6BLSRk4Ra0=; X-YMail-OSG: OOSyK5AVM1ku_bfNlYMu2f91l1PKUDxGf5gRxCojjL2tU2g_OstW23GVJLBaBgFi_n1YpRzqErqpAlDhSTjBh5bhE5HqRwGih6n_CCpGaZjbOWFT_XlL04EyyXN25IMHz5ZfDqhd5el3OsI2HbddCFNp_r2bfk6Tyvg7xNXIrr91d9Vl4eUr8z5SoT8B X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Varricchio Reply-To: klangfarben9@yahoo.com.au Subject: Urgent EDP Help Required! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2118137187-1227941459=:87731" Message-ID: <744341.87731.qm@web33206.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:57:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-2118137187-1227941459=:87731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello LD er's , Forgive the drama, but I'm in pretty desperate need of some help.... I'm tr= ying to rehearse for a live film score gig in a day from now (!) and one of= my two white face Gibson branded EDP's running Loop III v.5 (I know, I kno= w, I still haven't upgraded to Loop IV yet!) has decided to start going all= screwy on me!=20 Here;s the situation:.. Upon powering up it will just scroll "Loop 3" as per normal, but that's pre= tty much it, it's seemingly not booting up properly. After a while it will = display "(Loop)1 8.8.8.8L(Loops) " at me; the parameter LED is on, as is Re= cord (green) & NextLoop(green) whilst Multiply is lit (orange). Pressing an= y button whatsoever whilst in this state simply brings up the (or a brief f= lash of something else i can't make out) before beginning the scrolling "Lo= op III" all over again..... :( If left untouched for a while the aforementioned display changes to (Loop)1= with no LoopTime given and 8L in the Multiple column (note I never use the= 8 Loops setting, so I've no idea why it's hung on that.) and the Feedback = LED flashes as though there's some kind of loop in there cycling through, w= hen clearly there's not. Again, any pushes of REC crash it back to the open= ing screen scroll.... :( x 2 Curiously, it still receives MIDI clock from the other Master EDP.... Power connections seem fine, I've tried booting up in every combination ...= with and without Footpedals ( the original model) Feedback CV pedals and MI= DI/ Sync jacks in (yes, they are TRS BTW), with Master EDP on and off...not= hing seems to break the spell.=20 Can anyone offer advice on this phenomena? I've searched for info on how to= reset the EDP but can't find out if that's even possible, short of the Par= ameter Default Reset (holding down PAR Key whilst powering up) ...Of course= , I've tried that to no avail!=C2=A0 : ( x 3 I've always had a love/hate relationship with my EDPs over the years, what = with they're strange behaviours and sensitive footpedals, but this is by fa= r the weirdest and most ill-timed debacle of them all! If anyone is kind en= ough to offer some help, I would appreciate it immensely! Thanks in advance,=20 daniel ..Is there anyway to reset or reinitialize the EDP OS?=20 =0A=0A=0A Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter = now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=3Dother&p2=3Dau&p3=3Dtagline --0-2118137187-1227941459=:87731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello LD er's ,

Forgive the drama,= but I'm in pretty desperate need of some help.... I'm trying to rehearse f= or a live film score gig in a day from now (!) and one of my two white face= Gibson branded EDP's running Loop III v.5 (I know, I know, I still haven't= upgraded to Loop IV yet!) has decided to start going all screwy on me!
Here;s the situation:..
Upon powering up it will just scroll "Loop = 3" as per normal, but that's pretty much it, it's seemingly not booting up = properly. After a while it will display "(Loop)1 8.8.8.8L(Loops) " at me; t= he parameter LED is on, as is Record (green) & NextLoop(green) whilst M= ultiply is lit (orange). Pressing any button whatsoever whilst in this stat= e simply brings up the (or a brief flash of something else i can't make out= ) before beginning the scrolling "Loop III" all over again..... :(

I= f left untouched for a while the aforementioned display changes to (Loop)1 w= ith no LoopTime given and 8L in the Multiple column (note I never use the 8= Loops setting, so I've no idea why it's hung on that.) and the Feedback LE= D flashes as though there's some kind of loop in there cycling through, whe= n clearly there's not. Again, any pushes of REC crash it back to the openin= g screen scroll.... :( x 2

Curiously, it still receives MIDI clock f= rom the other Master EDP....
Power connections seem fine, I've tried boo= ting up in every combination ...with and without Footpedals ( the original = model) Feedback CV pedals and MIDI/ Sync jacks in (yes, they are TRS BTW), = with Master EDP on and off...nothing seems to break the spell.

Can = anyone offer advice on this phenomena? I've searched for info on how to res= et the EDP but can't find out if that's even possible, short of the Paramet= er Default Reset (holding down PAR Key whilst powering up) ...Of course, I've tried that to no avail!  : ( x 3

I've always had = a love/hate relationship with my EDPs over the years, what with they're str= ange behaviours and sensitive footpedals, but this is by far the weirdest a= nd most ill-timed debacle of them all! If anyone is kind enough to offer so= me help, I would appreciate it immensely!


Thanks in advance, daniel



..Is there anyway to reset or reinitialize the EDP = OS?

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=0AStart your = day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now. --0-2118137187-1227941459=:87731-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 08:30:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CE013BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:30:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=iER07nzzu2XHKg65sJCZotr1OEFjRdirS050pREHjgSzE6mn9yQ8aplL4lrU7mBNkZsqU+MkOt3VNpcWmxedAUnaueUg/ePF4DuwIiDQ8dS7u5SuqP/KRBy/eHcxNrOXgrHQDlRwuwa2RMfXoVoT7DdCXG7a6NDFl+HpJ36OBbU=; X-YMail-OSG: 2lTR08QVM1nld1xfeUpCO_88bBWZKcv_ve2efwBr8lLKGxFMDGeq_RF4bj49h1McxsCY4bY_ueHiPZKaQ7jf5.KNsDGEZ5SW0VR0uO3VqDy7PcK8AsDJO4pcxbJLH4mX1gnAkdVMNDcTYFRE.V5frvE6cf3XEYjg0fJ4oDu6OLwZI1TQ_iBzuDrxZF98 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 00:30:08 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Varricchio Reply-To: klangfarben9@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: Urgent EDP Help Required! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-190118528-1227947408=:80174" Message-ID: <924409.80174.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:30:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-190118528-1227947408=:80174 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A sad update.... With the advice of Travis Hartnett (thanks TH!) I looked into reseating the= EPROM/SIMMS, and found some old archive discussions from La Fosse about th= is very procedure... So I dug out the contact cleaner, pulled em all out (even some IC's near th= e EPROMS which I should probably left alone..no matter)...I tried power on = again with SIMMS repatche, again after reseating the EPROMs, with no cables= whatsoever connected.....AND.... Nothing.....that is to say, no change from before, just weird non-complete = boot behaviour and 8's displayed everywhere... :( I'm at a loss with options now; indeed is there any other thing I can try? = The only other question is if I were to upgrade to Loop VI (as I've always = planned to but always seemingly put off to buy some other piece of kit) wou= ld this solve the problem or is this issue more terminal? Anxiously waiting for some good news from those of you more experienced in = such things:( thanks again, dan =0A=0A=0A Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter = now http://au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/?p1=3Dother&p2=3Dau&p3=3Dtagline --0-190118528-1227947408=:80174 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A sad update....

With the advice of Tr= avis Hartnett (thanks TH!) I looked into reseating the EPROM/SIMMS, and fou= nd some old archive discussions from La Fosse about this very procedure...<= br>
So I dug out the contact cleaner, pulled em all out (even some IC's = near the EPROMS which I should probably left alone..no matter)...I tried po= wer on again with SIMMS repatche, again after reseating the EPROMs, with no= cables whatsoever connected.....AND....

Nothing.....that is to say,= no change from before, just weird non-complete boot behaviour and 8's disp= layed everywhere... :(

I'm at a loss with options now; indeed is the= re any other thing I can try? The only other question is if I were to upgra= de to Loop VI (as I've always planned to but always seemingly put off to bu= y some other piece of kit) would this solve the problem or is this issue mo= re terminal?


Anxiously waiting for some good news from those of yo= u more experienced in such things:(

thanks again,

dan
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Enter now. --0-190118528-1227947408=:80174-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 09:33:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3047E3BE8B; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 110064016/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.225.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.225.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsBAKOaMElPRuFl/2dsb2JhbAAIxCkIijKBdgh/g3c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,686,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="110064016" Message-ID: <49310D3F.7020900@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:37:03 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LD Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 References: <14599.46462.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <14599.46462.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Hi Stephen, with the following setting AutoRecord=Off LoopCopy = ti (time) SwitchQuant = Off set tempo record loop 1, let it run then to record loop 2 hit Next, and when you have enough cycles hit Rec. Then toggle between the loops with Next. The edp doesn't define loop length before you start, only cycle length. Not everyone like that, because you don't get a one button record, but it lets you choose the number of cycles for a synced loop. Actually, I couldn't reproduce your problem with the limited info, maybe you mean that you're recording one loop, stopping it, and then going to record another. So you'd be in loop 2, in Reset, and you're not seeing the looptime display? In that case hitting Overdub should make the looptime appear! In reset, the Overdub button toggles the Sync Record. ...best way of all is the have SwitchQuant=Cnf then Record Loop1 leave it running hit Next....nothing happens, except L2 is displayed. You now have a choice 1) Multiply copys loop1 to loop2 (with a Mult) 2) Insert records loop2 with same cycle time as loop1 3) Undo goes to reset if loop2 is empty, or otherwise plays loop2 have fun andy ps a brief list of edp parameters that you are using is a great help, especially any that you changed from default. pps you might like to remove "stevoj@yahoo.com" from your field in your email account, then replies should automatically go to LD rather than just direct to you. This is a peculiar recent change in the default behaviour of email clients....caught me out too. then Stephen Scott wrote: > I've had my lovely EDP for about a week now, but have found an issue that I haven't been able to solve in the archives of LD or in the manual, so I'm wondering if the collective brains out there could help me out. > > I've managed to work out how to use TempoSelect with a single loop, but if I try to set the tempo when I'm using a 2-loop preset, I find that the 2nd loop does not have a set tempo. If I do a reset of the 2nd loop, then set the tempo of that loop, then carry on, things are OK. But I can't do this in a live situation because, (a) it isn't a seamless operation and, (b) it doesn't always seem to work properly anyway. Once it's working, I save the preset, but every time I return to this preset, I'm faced with the same problem. > > I hope my explanation of the problem makes sense. Am I doing something wrong here, or will I have to live with using a single loop if I want to use TempoSelect? No big deal really. > > I've tried setting LoopCopy to = timing, but it still doesn't work. This seems strange, as I'd expect that to force the length of loop 2 to the same as loop 1. > > Stephen Scott > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 09:45:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16B343BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 112223696/mk-outboundfilter-5.mail.uk.tiscali.com/F2S/$F2S-NILDRAM-ACCEPTED/f2s-nildram-customers/62.3.238.4/None/nick@1957.me.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 62.3.238.4 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: nick@1957.me.uk X-MUA: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhsBAGOeMEk+A+4E/2dsb2JhbAAIzmuCfQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,686,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="112223696" X-IP-Direction: IN From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:45:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Nick & Bernhard Reply-to: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <49310F21.10557.D98B6@nick.1957.me.uk> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Some time ago, I created some tracks that featured Bernhard's loops along with my own music. I've been struggling to find a way of releasing them as a coherent set (ie on a CD). After a shameful length of time, I've struck a deal to have them remastered by a real expert called Paschal Byrne (he's worked with some of the biggest names around). I'm hoping this might open more doors. This remastering isn't complete yet, but I thought I'd post one of the "pre" tracks online, with a real amateur-hour video to accompany it. http://vimeo.com/2361676 I've added it to the fledgeling vimeo group livelooping http://vimeo.com/groups/livelooping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 11:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCD353BE84; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ZZ865NfAHeGnbUR+Woto8hzAOqexKT6GlaKu6u0bVgw=; b=xbABxwsV0AsKRy9pAcGDTQfb/pkFyW7H9sen3IW3w5bkJXX6Ii9FnSKQpE6SwN2z/0 KYUngxLrCAZ8HOZY0rIMKHE4BR3lPcxsjiep3Nj5FMEQW0vJC8iaXmCgTWk+urIYt1uV mBjzE0KRg7kN0nNmNbVz6YQ+Gf4Xd8/tYE6bo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=YZcOQT82zCItGng1SYDmmEM6i4ZjuNioq0l8H2JTHXt0LM2xHTL+wyaiLa/r6h3KZg vs/YPUm2Q80G790e3pkWP4ZmElaM4uvMpjzg2e4vD/ROnG78y/jaf7N9BjdtZ7aBfxiq ym1heJCLHpB+/GQy3BWf9ULtwnveubVG32Z6s= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811290303v3825a874kba28dceafd003e05@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:03:44 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: Nick & Bernhard In-Reply-To: <49310F21.10557.D98B6@nick.1957.me.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49310F21.10557.D98B6@nick.1957.me.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:03:45 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 10:45 AM, nick@12testing.net wrote: > > http://vimeo.com/2361676 > Wonderful, Nick and (virtual) Bernhard! 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=C2=A1Vuelos de =C3= =BAltima hora! Encuentra el tuyo y esc=C3=A1pate --orangemail.es_dam26.wnet_3f769315585ae66210266c0ac0289aa2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 14:36:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10C353BE7E; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <112ED42C-B716-437B-B993-8EF5979DE5E0@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List In-Reply-To: <924409.80174.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-554060877 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: Urgent EDP Help Required! Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:36:03 -0300 References: <924409.80174.qm@web33205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: <5nPk1D.A.xTF.AOVMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:36:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-554060877 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry, Daniel, these symptoms seem pretty random, I dont think its possible to conclude what is bad. Its a HW problem, software upgrade will not help. I found strange that you say it receives MIDI clock... does the LED blink? Anyway, the main part seems to work, I would certainly try to fix it. I would start with the CODEC (the square chip at the left), its socket contacts (delicate!) and components arround it. good luck! Matthias On 29 Nov 2008, at 05:30, Daniel Varricchio wrote: > A sad update.... > > With the advice of Travis Hartnett (thanks TH!) I looked into > reseating the EPROM/SIMMS, and found some old archive discussions > from La Fosse about this very procedure... > > So I dug out the contact cleaner, pulled em all out (even some IC's > near the EPROMS which I should probably left alone..no matter)...I > tried power on again with SIMMS repatche, again after reseating the > EPROMs, with no cables whatsoever connected.....AND.... > > Nothing.....that is to say, no change from before, just weird non- > complete boot behaviour and 8's displayed everywhere... :( > > I'm at a loss with options now; indeed is there any other thing I > can try? The only other question is if I were to upgrade to Loop VI > (as I've always planned to but always seemingly put off to buy some > other piece of kit) would this solve the problem or is this issue > more terminal? > > > Anxiously waiting for some good news from those of you more > experienced in such things:( > > thanks again, > > dan > > Start your day with Yahoo!7 and win a Sony Bravia TV. Enter now. --Apple-Mail-12-554060877 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry, = Daniel,

these symptoms seem pretty random, I dont = think its possible to conclude what is bad. Its a HW problem, software = upgrade will not help.
I found strange that you say it = receives MIDI clock... does the LED blink?
Anyway, the main = part seems to work, I would certainly try to fix it.
I would = start with the CODEC (the square chip at the left), its socket contacts = (delicate!) and components arround it.

good = luck!
Matthias

On 29 Nov 2008, at = 05:30, Daniel Varricchio wrote:

A sad update....

With the = advice of Travis Hartnett (thanks TH!) I looked into reseating the = EPROM/SIMMS, and found some old archive discussions from La Fosse about = this very procedure...

So I dug out the contact cleaner, pulled = em all out (even some IC's near the EPROMS which I should probably left = alone..no matter)...I tried power on again with SIMMS repatche, again = after reseating the EPROMs, with no cables whatsoever = connected.....AND....

Nothing.....that is to say, no change from = before, just weird non-complete boot behaviour and 8's displayed = everywhere... :(

I'm at a loss with options now; indeed is there = any other thing I can try? The only other question is if I were to = upgrade to Loop VI (as I've always planned to but always seemingly put = off to buy some other piece of kit) would this solve the problem or is = this issue more terminal?


Anxiously waiting for some good = news from those of you more experienced in such things:(

thanks = again,

dan

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Member FDIC Copyright © 2008 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 15:23:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9C93BE84; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4369 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:23:54 UTC Message-Id: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> From: Bruce Gilman To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: a moronic question Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:11:04 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Hello all, I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you using synthesized sounds? Again my apologies for interrupting, B.G. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 15:35:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D20773BE7C; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q508hPuURnIIen7S3niNJ/5IBHwNykOXOXbAfyHFyas=; b=lkdHmEyTXkVf7V72NRk4feckhfplb7EpsEoXAzVXyCmyB4GvPMh6esKZssmHug2jW5 1mzP5A3zhPLNgE41+yUcWueXXnNu7VoKFEc4AyI6BMlMoLSJq4ugt0P5lXj0YPfEueHc IABkR0vlF8jeN5ZUYUCBFidyTdsp0FUWHS/co= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=iGkELwg8J9MvaKfb2N7qfuK8nnXMN1EMypd5aHg4d/zhpbz6XLYVhFDgpmG5SbFsmd 8xGj92pSwgh9jOkvu/zAgWQsvXTJcVmSyApnrRS4xxPi6TvuJCpoH0oU0s07HZjZbERB K6RfXZjY4ld7OMWUBylmOXaRmhT8jIxkscXjk= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:35:28 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54395_33399210.1227972928176" References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:35:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54395_33399210.1227972928176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline no - that's the point - they're samples of real instruments sim On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bruce Gilman wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. > > Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. > > > If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you using > synthesized sounds? > > > Again my apologies for interrupting, > B.G. > > ------=_Part_54395_33399210.1227972928176 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline no - that's the point - they're samples of real instruments

sim

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Bruce Gilman <cuica@interworld.net> wrote:
Hello all,

I have a question for composers or performers who use samples.

Sorry to wave my ignorance.  Please indulge the ignorant.


If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you using synthesized sounds?


Again my apologies for interrupting,
B.G.


------=_Part_54395_33399210.1227972928176-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 15:36:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BD5F3BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=DEKdwF2+bIBG+12/hVRq/9cQDp7KENvYFtJ1fA1vTJk=; b=fgAQ/zzy3W1CUa74yday4kENFRQXKKrSiJYIiQfW89c3o241vqdZXNDTV1FzM71YSk 3y9Ydra+Eiu41pbAg152TFBC37inrpQliseKiR+AJrPDTdRguojwSs4W9zDNAld7Omfa k6VkJdCNKmxrrmKLjHXL7f2pVnc0vi4S87Hos= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=kYqybSSDf7C+uQ5s4ooXnzV7TSYz8p1Be/IyEecTHKd1TjerrMmfLtloPHmp1FCRKb AKO6s0aCF2UiKdLxohtdZKVEVowFdWeZcYLYFWFI9m+mkR25svdgR+sqbGEcJf7kK5k8 PETYSONBA5+NKFrwXQIUyXOBatWPBMJdHd5Ak= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811290736l72c9d048o8e0620572c0e6804@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:36:55 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7tysX.A.IFH.YGWMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:36:56 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Bruce Gilman wrote: > Hello all, > > I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. > > Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. > > > If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you using > synthesized sounds? > > > Again my apologies for interrupting, > B.G. Only if a synthesized string was sampled in the first place. "A sample" is a piece of real sound cut out to be presented in a different context - i.e. a recording. "A synthesized sound" is a sound created in place. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 15:43:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 356343BE82; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=g98KfkOsy9WBRQa63dkY9/+C6P4EwAKuV/mRUaBXIB8=; b=FQKIiALNCBlfm9kFVYSvrQIXrkuHxPiRB8Mo0HX3ityQLsV9cxqGcuQTZhAe/WRqF5 JU8BDQM/d6JpNNtDZVV9PllzktXldv7Q8iQBdXd2OPtM7dC6cEaMdNHqyfMjlB4C79k/ sIzS2lX1+DdxGDMyYYQY+TmZGMez1zCsHGb8E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=KP53J5RC7jqzugnTq7mQux4t8yLWpIvQw4tV+L1MzMLtP0NGTS30tXS0oiTirwnbwv xwE2h3IZRDcA/ZXy0qC6V2Ae0bAPfmC4uj19aQwSSG0clMrAGCBuLY9uS28vlmJp+hIN OOgGF8UiZQvhE0g+vMAqSSnlMaQOSIsIWLrXM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:01 +0000 From: "Simeon Harris" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811290736l72c9d048o8e0620572c0e6804@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_54435_17370630.1227973381794" References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <66f9cc1e0811290736l72c9d048o8e0620572c0e6804@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:43:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_54435_17370630.1227973381794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, that's a better explanation! > "A sample" is a piece of real sound cut out to be presented in a > different context - i.e. a recording. "A synthesized sound" is a sound > created in place. > ------=_Part_54435_17370630.1227973381794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, that's a better explanation!

"A sample" is a piece of real sound cut out to be presented in a
different context - i.e. a recording. "A synthesized sound" is a sound
created in place.

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--0-216552767-1227973371=:88140-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 15:58:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2D843BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=4GgJL8MrIEgHrVIgGXYQcWh56h4jcPeLNIYzh73E6pw5ddSqJ3gFsvnMJsQhYrzG2Rv3B44Pe1MHnMRVcrp/xOrHGt5tyQPF0r70GnFQPkWEgTl9+x4s/M5cmTr2KkQVSPKeoE/0R1eYfXWJf3oKFnUzWgtZiQE6OVVE0VvWUIY=; X-YMail-OSG: xCPEswEVM1nTeQKtWyl_CHIjpRdo5rMz2v88b68E2D9xIyJeN.W3IxCwVnsMYhywyIfnz_mqclkjGK8xfRXVyCL_315HT7qfm1h6QRKDV36njO8jNfQwZSu9g4YV3CMM2j26C1ImFD6Ys3Ms7pUTMGRTOXuDamhmLrio57VyaygUaZVCoGr11z_PMDY- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <49310D3F.7020900@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-JDFo.A.nqH.5aWMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:58:49 +0000 (UTC) > with the following setting > AutoRecord=Off > LoopCopy = ti (time) > SwitchQuant = Off > > set tempo > > record loop 1, let it run > > then to record loop 2 hit Next, > and when you have enough cycles hit Rec. > Then toggle between the loops with Next. OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested. I've set the tempo to 120bpm, (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for the cycle length). What happens is that the first loop records just fine for as long as I need. When I switch to Next Loop, the display shows me that it's on loop2 (OK), the red LED counts time as usual (OK) and the green cycle LED counts up as I think it should (ie, it increments by one every 2 seconds). BUT when I press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or 5.4, ie NOT a multiple of 2 as expected. This is now happening consistently (previously I thought I was getting it work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway). Also, previously, even when it was working OK, I'd save the preset parameter, but when I came back it to it later, it wouldn't work. > ps a brief list of edp parameters that you are using is a > great help, > especially any that you changed from default. I know this would help you, but as an EDP novice, I don't really know at this stage what parameters might or might not be relevant. You'll have to bear with me on this until I'm more aware of what I'm doing. With this in mind, other parameters set that ? might be relevant are Quantize=Off, RoundMode=rnd > pps > you might like to remove "stevoj@yahoo.com" from > your field Done now (I think) Thanks for helping Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 16:03:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0421A3BE8B; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:03:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rvI2+eXjIlRG8UK2qNtvCpQM6JXQ9XF8yaiFLcmrASE=; b=I5aT2eTqYdXLnq1YZczpTQjxDJ/NNhkvY8yPuL83QFvop4UzU0aSSosgeRLqcq7046 4gAHNdT1Gp2s+OAlEibw3er0yqlCkSPdTi0KcCO3uFZhyhMOTGNufS0uCmyVQzg+Xebl 9tNS0TaHKESVurMsh57T2r9VwK0VHUCeDPyAk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=V41qMZ3F9pF+3MSr/kjRQd+ZsCtoESdEPHJIRwN7PHl/evzby5ggySle6jIDdnve8F 3A1Pcz0+FswwCscBMQyXj+nuljWCWs8pRSBUTfavYxZFM1SkcwdTP7lW7kTm0v8TCxAv AaV+1fsfl7kM7ETzryBn4ImflSMPbBBLlilm4= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:03:35 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 In-Reply-To: <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40460_28833761.1227974615486" References: <49310D3F.7020900@tiscali.co.uk> <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:03:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40460_28833761.1227974615486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you want your loops to all be even multiples of another loop, I believe you need to have LoopCopy set to "ti", for "time". TH On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Stephen Scott wrote: > > > OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested. I've set the tempo to 120bpm, > (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for the cycle length). > What happens is that the first loop records just fine for as long as I > need. When I switch to Next Loop, the display shows me that it's on loop2 > (OK), the red LED counts time as usual (OK) and the green cycle LED counts > up as I think it should (ie, it increments by one every 2 seconds). BUT > when I press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or 5.4, ie NOT a > multiple of 2 as expected. > > > > This is now happening consistently (previously I thought I was getting it > work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway). Also, previously, even > when it was working OK, I'd save the preset parameter, but when I came back > it to it later, it wouldn't work. > > > ------=_Part_40460_28833761.1227974615486 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you want your loops to all be even multiples of another loop, I believe you need to have LoopCopy set to "ti", for "time".

TH

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Stephen Scott <stevoj@yahoo.com> wrote:


OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested.  I've set the tempo to 120bpm, (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for the cycle length).  What happens is that the first loop records just fine for as long as I need.  When I switch to Next Loop, the display shows me that it's on loop2 (OK), the red LED counts time as usual (OK) and the green cycle LED counts up as I think it should (ie, it increments by one every 2 seconds).  BUT when I press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or 5.4, ie NOT a multiple of 2 as expected.



This is now happening consistently (previously I thought I was getting it work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway).  Also, previously, even when it was working OK, I'd save the preset parameter, but when I came back it to it later, it wouldn't work.



------=_Part_40460_28833761.1227974615486-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 16:09:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0F1A3BE82; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=m4/RScEnCkggrE11o7ZzNncr6UzswrZId61P/KyKzvYSU2MjpGfbzN63FeuyRg59OZNo13O1aBV6hD2XomJu6JJ4jyGInzuEN4JhaA0/zLz6MjB+TWkSDFPtMT7eNPzBgsIYMDo/8YewK8KZdggd6Vt3ZYxClVCW/wm1RBe51S0=; X-YMail-OSG: h2EnyqkVM1nU6wiIrjLy2e_oxUS8mPDTkJPsitCYxH42PfEgVoEqkIIkQbOGht8DGYe00YX0qE6IXIn8PQAnTXwAiXU.YaHUXCrXzs_kHW50XlgSQbqp.KAdtReL4HOpcKMU3EXPhLwzJZQ2KQ0SC2FYSy_8ovfNWpeEczhxzKEBLJFn5dRWJUTBLJ4- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <160342.10030.qm@web53002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:09:40 +0000 (UTC) I definitely have LoopCopy set to ti. I thought that when I changed it from off, it would immediately solve the problem, but no joy. Thanks anyway. btw, I'd be keen to know if anyone else can reproduce this problem. Stephen --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Travis Hartnett wrote: > From: Travis Hartnett > Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 4:03 PM > If you want your loops to all be even multiples of another > loop, I believe > you need to have LoopCopy set to "ti", for > "time". > > TH > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Stephen Scott > wrote: > > > > > > > OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested. I've > set the tempo to 120bpm, > > (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for > the cycle length). > > What happens is that the first loop records just fine > for as long as I > > need. When I switch to Next Loop, the display shows > me that it's on loop2 > > (OK), the red LED counts time as usual (OK) and the > green cycle LED counts > > up as I think it should (ie, it increments by one > every 2 seconds). BUT > > when I press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or > 5.4, ie NOT a > > multiple of 2 as expected. > > > > > > > > This is now happening consistently (previously I > thought I was getting it > > work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway). > Also, previously, even > > when it was working OK, I'd save the preset > parameter, but when I came back > > it to it later, it wouldn't work. > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 16:33:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DEA83BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vyyXkyXJ8+b7JLR82RFEsGXTaj45I2CxV7Oicj9/eO0=; b=jSHC/UWUkmKPO7VWWz9XgXlJqs97n7i4zjj+Y2im9AGWwmwqJsdtyuUsnJznz685HC Y1K2sfVGUDx9QNurIwhVp5qfl2/FtmFuthNiybd98w1bjAdiuEx54P2gn3XVfAbpZmEF /0g9YycGpff3zRwCH+deY+eAAGq15o0W0GM1U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=K7wpTeb9xKE8PbYHY57/z39u3Ng1VFpfh26TltU4XaK5abn+vbljMpi4EZsEFTsus7 39/m7Uqso4vm3ugnwONglEsulp/7CKgYPPexkMdmahNSkHzIc7CLs8QBNhEj0FYimItE 7ZUARlo4LsFeu5RXFU7VDVVrvtf1FqFTfj4hg= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:33:03 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 In-Reply-To: <160342.10030.qm@web53002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40604_8313239.1227976383787" References: <160342.10030.qm@web53002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40604_8313239.1227976383787 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you take MIDI out of the equation, for testing purposes, are you getting time copies when using NextLoop? TH On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Stephen Scott wrote: > I definitely have LoopCopy set to ti. I thought that when I changed it > from off, it would immediately solve the problem, but no joy. > > Thanks anyway. > > btw, I'd be keen to know if anyone else can reproduce this problem. > > Stephen > > ------=_Part_40604_8313239.1227976383787 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline If you take MIDI out of the equation, for testing purposes, are you getting time copies when using NextLoop?

TH

On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Stephen Scott <stevoj@yahoo.com> wrote:
I definitely have LoopCopy set to ti.  I thought that when I changed it from off, it would immediately solve the problem, but no joy.

Thanks anyway.

btw, I'd be keen to know if anyone else can reproduce this problem.

Stephen


------=_Part_40604_8313239.1227976383787-- From e4loan7@mchsi.com Sat Nov 29 17:17:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:17:22 UTC Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 198BA3BE7C; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:17:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sccqwbc02 (scommcenter02.asp.att.net[204.127.203.162]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20081129171209m9100pgum0e>; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:12:19 +0000 Received: from [190.144.41.196] by sccqwbc02; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:12:08 +0000 From: e4loan7@mchsi.com (E4loan Firm) Subject: LOAN OFFER Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:12:08 +0000 Message-Id: <112920081712.26004.493177E8000B2EAC00006594219791299503010CD2079C080C03BFC9020E0104CB0A@mchsi.com> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: ZTRsb2FuN0BtY2hzaS5jb20= To: undisclosed-recipients:; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 17:17:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 282883BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=P3RoYMcmatRd+p+XGHdQm2FrPgT8QItbHbDVAcPpnnaF/DIKJDwk0tACOxFaOk1wjsdj18GjyhVB3cWwkGrztYr5qcSt9EStt+y/+uXLLKY63DKh/suSxiKcuNlOkTMUaumQNn3euyYRlyHETcrQ0GxPEQPAVcQP1+oDEJCgrmc=; X-YMail-OSG: 3PcraC4VM1nmqqnJa7_QsbsE685mVhtpojTnm_htW2kw4BbZcoV6EW2YvTjpZWpPRWe6G71XXKiUj09EzYLy0qU3h12JEBc04ZRI9d4bbxTOPVRzDdGKVdfm7l7zI4cz97c08PP8cMuZElIjJAIi82MJhvx_MACmGlRaHDNrfyjQmHPQMrLv7bgtKGzX X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <113499.55633.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <13RzGB.A.Q_B.DlXMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Eureka! It seems that the key to this is that I have to end the 2nd loop by pressing NextLoop rather than Record. This way, I get 2 loops of the correct cycle length. For the record, settings were AutoRecord=on LoopCopy=ti (but provisional testing setting it to off seemed to work equally well) SwitchQuant=Off Quantise=Loop Sync=out (but this is mandatory for tempo select anyway) Phew. big thanks to Andy and Travis for their help and getting me think in the right direction. lots of fun ahead :) Stephen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 17:44:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82DA23BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> Subject: Re: a moronic question Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:44:07 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Unsent: 1 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Vipre-Scanned: 0FE9D5DB00097C0FE9D728 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:44:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bruce Gilman" > > I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. > > Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. > > > If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you > using synthesized sounds? > > > Again my apologies for interrupting, > B.G. Hi Bruce, The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used is synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. When I got Fruity Loops (now FLStudio) and a sample-set of Tabla sounds I could 'do' as such without having to resort to synth programming-fiddling. Moreover if one uses FLStudio one is using non-synthesized samples in many cases. I lean towards the use of 'real' but then I'm a grumpy old fart to some. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 18:21:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C73A3BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 113677362/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.225.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.225.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwBAF4XMUlPRuFl/2dsb2JhbAAIzWCCfYN3 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,687,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="113677362" Message-ID: <493188F8.6070009@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:24:56 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 References: <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7Smej.A.1KF.jgYMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Scott wrote: >> with the following setting >> AutoRecord=Off >> LoopCopy = ti (time) >> SwitchQuant = Off >> >> set tempo >> >> record loop 1, let it run >> >> then to record loop 2 hit Next, >> and when you have enough cycles hit Rec. >> Then toggle between the loops with Next. > > OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested. I've set the tempo to 120bpm, (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for the cycle length). What happens is that the first loop records just fine for as long as I need. When I switch to Next Loop, the display shows me that it's on loop2 (OK), the red LED counts time as usual (OK) and the green cycle LED counts up as I think it should (ie, it increments by one every 2 seconds). BUT when I press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or 5.4, ie NOT a multiple of 2 as expected. > > > > This is now happening consistently (previously I thought I was getting it work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway). Also, previously, even when it was working OK, I'd save the preset parameter, but when I came back it to it later, it wouldn't work. > sorry, you're quite right, end the second recording with Insert and all will work fine. Otherwise that's an Unrounded ending to the record. Here exposed the perils of an early morning email session :-) I'll CC this to Matthias, it's an interesting point. This is rather confusing behaviour for a feature that's supposed to make things easy, hitting Insert is hardly intuitive. > > I don't really know at this stage what parameters might or might not be relevant. > With this in mind, other parameters set that ? might be relevant are Quantize=Off, RoundMode=rnd those are good, >> pps >> you might like to remove "stevoj@yahoo.com" from >> your field > > Done now (I think) yep, that worked > > Thanks for helping you're welcome, ...now make some more nice sounds for us > > Stephen andy ps. all LDers are recommended to check out Stephen's music at www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher ...and again in about 2 weeks time when he puts up a bunch of tracks done with the edp ;-) > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 18:36:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5A373BE90; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 109901686/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.70.225.101/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.70.225.101 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhwBAJ4aMUlPRuFl/2dsb2JhbAAIzW2CfYN3 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,687,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="109901686" Message-ID: <49318C8C.2080703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:40:12 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 References: <113499.55633.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <113499.55633.qm@web53001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Stephen Scott wrote: > Eureka! > > It seems that the key to this is that I have to end the 2nd loop by pressing NextLoop rather than Record. This way, I get 2 loops of the correct cycle length. > > For the record, settings were > > AutoRecord=on > LoopCopy=ti (but provisional testing setting it to off seemed to work equally well) > SwitchQuant=Off > Quantise=Loop > Sync=out (but this is mandatory for tempo select anyway) > > Phew. big thanks to Andy and Travis for their help and getting me think in the right direction. lots of fun ahead :) > > Stephen > wow, that does work. ...and lets you make loop2 any number of cycles. It does seem to have the side effect of taking you back to loop1 tho'. happy looping, andy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 20:45:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E12DA3BE8A; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=IgGCdmul//Fy1t3w7C/T0rL0NrqXZdGTptrSwfe7LOpDfv3nuhOcuFP6y4uYTJ/ufAwc9dhgfZ0HCrAiPk4nv6AfG97+QnoiiL7elNjs1VP9a+VzNXIAAXV994wR1bXTYqJaUaPvryrwbogav3Tg1v4kV4dzfsBx84wuo9P/ffE=; X-YMail-OSG: R4lNLFgVM1kw18SImVBfBJ.fR3IaaIq6rA5YGqMtDtVM1z7KAPpJLvGg.WaTnkBy4T8tQhV80873z4tTYr3BPf4GO0tXwwEyEHvSh8yyR1fRHjvXVsvrdh.Ebmic_17cRLw4 X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 12:45:19 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Reply-To: evanpeewee@yahoo.com Subject: Digitech hardwire delay vs. boss dd-7? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-663310832-1227991519=:52980" Message-ID: <266314.52980.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:45:20 +0000 (UTC) --0-663310832-1227991519=:52980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone had a chance to use/play w/ these "relatively new" devices? was curious what folks thought? i think they're roughly the same price-in 150$ range and know the difference seems to be: boss-up to 6.4 sec of delay vs. 8 sec w/ digitech boss has 40 sec of looping (sound on sound) vs. digitech's 20 sec of loop t= ime can't remember how many different delay modes each has, ... =A0 just curious if anyone has tried one or both.=20 i was going to see if there was any youtube things on them (i'm sure there = is). funny to me, these were released at roughly the same time, and no head to h= ead comparisons in any guitar mags, jeez, what are they waiting for? oh wel= l. happy looping. s---- =A0=0A=0A=0A --0-663310832-1227991519=:52980 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
has anyone had a chance to use/play w/ these "relatively new" devices?
was curious what folks thought?
i think they're roughly the same price-in 150$ range
and know the difference seems to be:
boss-up to 6.4 sec of delay vs. 8 sec w/ digitech
boss has 40 sec of looping (sound on sound) vs. digitech's 20 sec of loop time
can't remember how many different delay modes each has, ...
 
just curious if anyone has tried one or both.
i was going to see if there was any youtube things on them (i'm sure there is).
funny to me, these were released at roughly the same time, and no head to head comparisons in any guitar mags, jeez, what are they waiting for? oh well.
happy looping.
s----
 

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Nov 29 23:56:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CBC23BE84; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:56:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:56:41 -0800 From: Rick Walker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:56:51 +0000 (UTC) I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all the time. I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually read about it and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly each time I tell it and it might be good to go back and read about the original study so I can be more accurate in my quoting. This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated oral history approach that I use telling it but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version. I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original study!!!! . I've googled it without a lot of success. (oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius brother) For what it's worth, it goes something like this: Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study where they took a large number of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and for one year they separated them equally into to distinct camps. The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they could create purely from inspiration...............not fearing a bad grade if they didn't have a large output....................'just follow your heart' they were enjoined and only create when you are inpsired. The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had to turn in a finished piece of work on a weekly basis, whether they were inspired or not. Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to be a constant weekly output. At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together and randomized it; giving it to several prominent art critics to critique and rate the art. Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO (constant output with our without inspiration) was judged to be 'better art' than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant output). ******************* In the year 2000, I decided, after hearing about this study, that I was going to attempt a full legnth CD a year for the rest of my life. I was successful for the first four years of the decade and my output has fallen off considerably since then (though I have 6 completely different CD projects in various forms of completion because I also gave my self permission not to worry about style in my creativity but to constantly make music and finish individual pieces. Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released recordings in my life over the previous 20 years..............I was very proud of all of those recordings. But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the best I could, artistically, I realize looking back that they were just who I was at the time: works in progress, as it were. In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this decade with that production output philosphy behind me that I have grown at a vastly more rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a musician because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of very creative 'inspirational' output has gone up significantly using this approach so I think I"m getting the best of both worlds. The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it makes it more difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to categorize your recordings in record stores and online. I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 00:47:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C2973BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=S8q2b3aofae/8wc2eU6l7nLr0hhqNmXgvXiGyMhIO+k=; b=B3WoKqFXB/1DplxPXJftcQbI0gyFAxj75hzxtvn2hkh9JNq1GWaVHWh3bRWz0mk7Rm ZKLE1tsEsyAPybfGKQujFoGVtiHrIGc7Oh0kJX8puP2USr3dOsNsr112ZvKaVmafblsy EDIH9V72kELhqg5IJoRxXWgLsvHaMmVOyaP/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UvqeVZ1MWRL/uC1w94iZfO+DE5DqqUv6mPuKPKA/MbsDTPCshIcc/qcmgk/NtsyFwC V4YKSD+p3nD8RBTRKAAcBNnGPw4qQJHyRCGEZEMxiLqGAYochl2Ui5q1w2DcRs6/6ucv HcIMNstTdzlqLSYG4R2WSM9TPtiYlRTXS3C/s= Message-ID: <339c30110811291647m77ce5f24n346972af8b3c286f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:47:22 +0900 From: "michael noble" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:47:23 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps it depends if you needing a technical/semantic distinction or a distinction in common usage. Without wanting to play devil's advocate, but isn't ALL sampling a form of synthetic reproduction of an original waveform? The arguments above could be taken to imply that photographs are 'the real thing' whilst paintings are merely artistic approximations, when both are just differing forms of synthetic production. Similarly, wavetable synthesis, which I don't claim to understand in technical detail, involves synthesis based on sampling. It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the sonic event level. In thus respect, a dualism as stated is possibly too simplistic. but, yes, for the purposes of common usage, sampling involves the use of "real" sounds while synthesis, synthetic ones ;) -looplog On 11/30/08, SP Goodman wrote: > From: "Bruce Gilman" >> >> I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. >> >> Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. >> >> >> If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you >> using synthesized sounds? >> >> >> Again my apologies for interrupting, >> B.G. > > Hi Bruce, > > The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used is > synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to satisfactorily > replicate Tablas, for instance. When I got Fruity Loops (now FLStudio) and > a sample-set of Tabla sounds I could 'do' as such without having to resort > to synth programming-fiddling. Moreover if one uses FLStudio one is using > non-synthesized samples in many cases. I lean towards the use of 'real' but > then I'm a grumpy old fart to some. > > SP Goodman > * > http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman > http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman > > > -- networking practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 00:56:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C27803BE7B; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:56:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4931E4CF.80609@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:56:47 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration References: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4pEKpB.A.TSC.RTeMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:56:49 +0000 (UTC) I can relate to this, not in terms of regular output, but rather of output bound to any sort of external constraints as opposed to inspiration alone. Since moving to Mexico in 2004 I've composed music for two weddings, both obviously having a strict deadline and fixed requirements in terms of the amount of music needed, the style, etc. These projects not only pushed me to generate some of my most favorite material ever, but sent me in a new artistic direction. I found that constraints like this can be tremendously valuable, and every bit as valid as, say, having a "concept" for an album before beginning to record it, which I've also found to be very useful. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this decade > with that production output philosphy behind me that I have grown at a > vastly more > rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a musician > because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. > > Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of very creative > 'inspirational' output has gone up significantly using this approach > so I think I"m getting > the best of both worlds. > > The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it makes it > more difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this > approach > encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for > people to categorize your recordings in record stores and online. > I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that anyway. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 01:10:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB05D3BE81; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4197C559-1C32-41F9-AB91-02ED37AE9902@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-590008854 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: a moronic question X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:35:11 -0800 References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:10:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-590008854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting question. But I'm not sure what you're asking! Are you asking if samples are synthetic? Yes. But so is all digital music - CDs included. Do samples sound real? They're still working on it. But some are REALLY CLOSE. As the Buddha and many wise folks have said, nothing is really real. We're all in the matrix sort of. And that's definitely true now and always has been true of recorded music. Are you asking because a friend or client doesn't want anything 'synthetic'? If so, samples are synthetic. I've been through this with clients. If they want a real symphony orchestra, better shine up the wallet before waving it goodbye. You CAN layer some real strings with sampled strings and get an incredibly convincing sound. Same for horns somewhat, drums etc. Actually I have a drum library that came with Strike that is really amazing. The really awe inspiring sample libraries tend to cost more. The trick about samples is the layers of samples per note. In a perfect world, there would be a bunch of samples per note - for all the different ways you actually can play a note on any given instrument. The definition of bunch depends on who's talking. I've heard guys talk of nine or ten samples per note. Oooh weeee. I've never heard a guitar sample I liked. At least for non distorted guitar. I have some very nice tabla samples. Wouldn't work for Ali Akbar Khan or a Zakhir Hossain (did I get his name right?) level of musician but certainly works for most Western ears. now, speaking of samples, does anyone have the original SampleCell disks? Oh man. I loved some of those sounds and my machine croaked that had samplecell in it and my original disks look like chipmunks went ice skating on it. I guess those disks are about 15+ years old now. I'm feeling my age! The horn section was my fave of all time. Definitely not going to put the Memphis Horns out of business, but I liked it. Anyhow, I would pay for a copy of those disks. I liked the tuba in it too. When possible, real instruments are better. But the players have to be good and their axes have to be great. And very nice mics and mic pre's. One nice thing about samples is the level of manipulation available with MIDI. You can improvise, play crazy and then go back later and make it as tight and harmonic as you want. Sorry this was so long. I was resting my ears and had a minute to blow off words. hammer on! Richard RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:44 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > From: "Bruce Gilman" >> >> I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. >> >> Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. >> >> >> If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are >> you using synthesized sounds? >> >> >> Again my apologies for interrupting, >> B.G. > > Hi Bruce, > > The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being > used is synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to > satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. When I got Fruity > Loops (now FLStudio) and a sample-set of Tabla sounds I could 'do' > as such without having to resort to synth programming-fiddling. > Moreover if one uses FLStudio one is using non-synthesized samples > in many cases. I lean towards the use of 'real' but then I'm a > grumpy old fart to some. > > SP Goodman > * > http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman > http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman > > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-2-590008854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting question.  But = I'm not sure what you're asking!

Are you = asking if samples are synthetic?  Yes. But so is all digital music = - CDs included.  Do samples sound real? They're still working on = it.  But some are REALLY CLOSE.

As the = Buddha and many wise folks have said, nothing is really real. We're all = in the matrix sort of.  And that's definitely true now and always = has been true of recorded music. 

Are you = asking because a friend or client doesn't want anything 'synthetic'? =  If so, samples are synthetic.  I've been through this with = clients.  If they want a real symphony orchestra, better shine up = the wallet before waving it goodbye. You CAN layer some real strings = with sampled strings and get an incredibly convincing sound.  Same = for horns somewhat, drums etc.  Actually I have a drum library that = came with Strike that is really amazing. =  

The really awe inspiring sample = libraries tend to cost more.  

The trick = about samples is the layers of samples per note.  In a perfect = world, there would be a bunch of samples per note - for all the = different ways you actually can play a note on any given instrument. =  The definition of bunch depends on who's talking.  I've heard = guys talk of nine or ten samples per note.  Oooh = weeee.

I've never heard a guitar sample I = liked.  At least for non distorted guitar. =   

I have some very nice tabla = samples.  Wouldn't work for Ali Akbar Khan or a Zakhir Hossain (did = I get his name right?) level of musician but certainly works for most = Western ears. 

now, speaking of samples, = does anyone have the original SampleCell disks?  Oh man.  I = loved some of those sounds and my machine croaked that had samplecell in = it and my original disks look like chipmunks went ice skating on it. =  I guess those disks are about 15+ years old now.  I'm feeling = my age!  The horn section was my fave of all time.  Definitely = not going to put the Memphis Horns out of business, but I liked it. =  Anyhow, I would pay for a copy of those disks. I liked the tuba in = it too.  

When possible, real instruments = are better.  But the players have to be good and their axes have to = be great.  And very nice mics and mic pre's. One nice thing about = samples is the level of manipulation available with MIDI.  You can = improvise, play crazy and then go back later and make it as tight and = harmonic as you want. 

Sorry this was so = long. I was resting my ears and had a minute to blow off = words.

hammer = on!

Richard =  

RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=


On Nov 29, 2008, at 9:44 = AM, SP Goodman wrote:

From: = "Bruce Gilman" <cuica@interworld.net>

I have a = question for composers or performers who use = samples.

Sorry to wave = my ignorance.  Please indulge the = ignorant.


If you write or = play with samples, let's say string samples, are you using synthesized = sounds?


Again my = apologies for interrupting,
B.G.

Hi Bruce,

The source of = the sample would determine whether the sound being used is synthesized = or not, I'd guess.  I never found a way to satisfactorily replicate = Tablas, for instance.  When I got Fruity Loops (now FLStudio) and a = sample-set of Tabla sounds I could 'do' as such without having to resort = to synth programming-fiddling.  Moreover if one uses FLStudio one = is using non-synthesized samples in many cases.  I lean towards the = use of 'real' but then I'm a grumpy old fart to some.

SP = Goodman
*
http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman=
http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman



RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=



=

= --Apple-Mail-2-590008854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 01:39:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D8A3BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=XfN99xzzkwhkrUODKdOoGwDleU+44b+CAe/majJH8En+vJI1o3H8hQdRRrq5s0Q8sRdJMaVumHgHFtkAzNVImqYlosD56uFHaVxZSZGgzwV1FzdL1iNyISTtroVB0d++STOxza7sSEvLlxGwtL1p4M/QlZcZHB+JKRqREBVlq+c=; X-YMail-OSG: Ft6y5kkVM1npiWh9689qMXGHlzL0E_D7JsrA74l31gc6jXEtYyDhnm9DMZxBq0B1uow05SbSfjSODAiymKHhZ7AacK5ORsd4VV7WdCvfaufvhbbRi35LzZpq93SNmE.kEg8ZMCXZUvseV.i4lnl7_fQWa9WB.YCbpF.thG_tPWdtSPgX0aOidLh1yEPt X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:39:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Reply-To: kesslari@yahoo.com Subject: Re: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4931D6B9.9090406@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1313078524-1228009184=:98624" Message-ID: <201451.98624.qm@web110314.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:39:46 +0000 (UTC) --0-1313078524-1228009184=:98624 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good story, good post. Sometimes we hide laziness or self-indulgence behind the "need for inspirat= ion". Not always.=A0 But for myself, I know that some of my best and most inspire= d playing comes at times when I didn't really feel like playing and just ma= de myself pick up an instrument, regardless. --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Rick Walker wrote: From: Rick Walker Subject: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 3:56 PM I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all the time. I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually read about it and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly each time I tell= it and it might be good to go back and read about the original study so I can be more accurate in my quoting. This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies to academics that I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated oral history appro= ach that I use telling it but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version. I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original study!!!! . I've googled it without a lot of success. (oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius brother) For what it's worth, it goes something like this: Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study where they took a la= rge number of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and for one year they separated them equally into to distinct camps. The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they could create purely from inspiration...............not fearing a bad grade if they didn't have a large output....................'just follow your heart' they were enjoined and only create when you are inpsired. The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had to turn in a finished piece of work on a weekly basis, whether they were inspired or not. Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to be a constant we= ekly output. At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together and randomized i= t;=20 giving it to several prominent art critics to critique and rate the art. Amazingly and consistently, the artwork from Camp TWO (constant output wi= th our without inspiration) was judged to be 'better art' than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without necessary constant output). ******************* In the year 2000, I decided, after hearing about this study, that I was go= ing to attempt a full legnth CD a year for the rest of my life. I was successful for the first four years of the decade and my output has fallen off considerably since then (though I have 6 completely different CD projects in various forms of completion because I also gave my self permission not to worry about style in my creativity but to constantly make music and finish individual pieces. Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released recordings in my = life over the previous 20 years..............I was very proud of all of those recordings. But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the best I could, artistically, I realize looking back that they were just who I was at the = time: works in progress, as it were. In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this decade with tha= t production output philosphy behind me that I have grown at a vastly more rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a musician because I started to join the Camp TWO approach. Ironically, I've also discovered that the instances of very creative 'inspirational' output has gone up significantly using this approach so I think I"m getting the best of both worlds. The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it makes it more difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to categorize your recordings in record stores and online. I think , though, that I"ve reconciled myself to that anyway. --0-1313078524-1228009184=:98624 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Good story, good post.
Sometimes we hide laziness or self-indulgence behind the "need for inspiration".
Not always.  But for myself, I know that some of my best and most inspired playing comes at times when I didn't really feel like playing and just made myself pick up an instrument, regardless.

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
From: Rick Walker <looppool@cruzio.com>
Subject: ART Regular Output vs. Inspiration
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 3:56 PM

I heard of a study years ago that I quote to my students all the time.
I heard about this study 2nd or 3rd hand and never actually read about it
and it occurs to me that my telling of it changes slightly each time I tell it
and it might be good to go back and read about the original study so I can
be more accurate in my quoting.

This may be woefully different than the original (and all apologies to
academics that
I might offend with my rather primal and unsophisticated oral history approach
that I use telling it
but it is at least illustrative in it's 'big yarn' version.

I'd love it if someone could direct me to the original study!!!!

.  I've googled it without a lot of success.
(oh Richard Zvonar, where are you my researching genius brother)

For what it's worth, it goes something like this:

Some Art professors at Stanford University did a study where they took a large
number
of visual artists (I think 150 but I"m not sure) and for one year they
separated them equally into
to distinct camps.

The 75 artists from Camp number ONE were told that they could create purely
from inspiration...............not fearing a bad grade
if they didn't have a large output....................'just follow your
heart' they were enjoined and only create when
you are inpsired.

The 75 artists from Camp number TWO were told that they had to turn in a
finished piece of work on a weekly basis, whether they were inspired or
not.   Whatever it was it had to be finished and it had to be a constant weekly
output.

At the end of one year, they took all the artwork together and randomized it; 
giving it to several prominent art critics to
critique and rate the art.

Amazingly and consistently,   the artwork from Camp TWO (constant output with
our without inspiration)  was judged to
be 'better art'  than the artwork of Camp ONE (inspiration without
necessary constant output).

*******************
In the year 2000,  I decided, after hearing about this study, that I was going
to attempt a full legnth CD a year for the rest of my life.
I was successful for the first four years of the decade and my output has
fallen off considerably since then (though I have 6 completely
different CD projects in various forms of completion because I also gave my
self permission not to worry about style in my creativity but
to constantly make music and finish individual pieces.

Before that, I had made 3 really perfectionistic released recordings in my life
over the previous 20 years..............I was very proud of all
of those recordings.
But in returning to those CDs, as much as I think I did the best I could,
artistically,  I realize looking back that they were just who I was at the time:
works in progress, as it were.

In retrospect, I look back on the first eight years of this decade with that
production output philosphy behind me that I have grown at a vastly more
rapid pace in my abilities and in my sohpistication as a musician because I
started to join the Camp TWO approach.

Ironically,  I've also discovered that the instances of very creative
'inspirational' output has gone up significantly using this approach so
I think I"m getting
the best of both worlds.

The only drawback I can see using this approach is that it makes it more
difficult to market oneself to the world at large because this approach
encourages a lot of stylistic diversity which makes it tough for people to
categorize your recordings in record stores and online.
I think , though,  that I"ve reconciled myself to that anyway.
--0-1313078524-1228009184=:98624-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 06:18:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BD4E3BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=kevinkissinger.com; h=Received:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:Content-Transfer-Encoding:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=w904gu/0IOW4g5XooCju3Scki/6Ui9joBt0PpjXP+D1B10oXY32fNY2rTTzES8eYGs/wNoLYBsmo1MloWHk0Co4Sw6abT7MktFZ5iZUI1u1fGJXR4LjgjMaOXwXNN5qf; Message-ID: <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:18:10 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> In-Reply-To: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.6) X-Identified-User: {0:box76.bluehost.com:root:box76.bluehost.com} {sentby:program running on server} Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Bruce Gilman : > > > If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you > using synthesized sounds? > > > Again my apologies for interrupting, > B.G. This can be kind of a grey area. Once a sample is in memory, it can be processed (with filters, envelopes, etc.) the same as any signal source. I guess what I'm saying is... once a sample is loaded, looped, and mapped then it treated the same as a simple (single-cycle) sample. On my primary keyboard: a Kurzweil 2600, all the signals (except for a sawtooth and sine waves) are samples -- some just single cycle samples of simple (synthesizer) waveforms. Often times I will layer samples with sythesized sounds. For example, I have doubled some brass samples with bright waveforms just to "fatten up" the sound a bit. This is an interesting question... you will likely get a variety of opinions on this topic -- varying with the individual approaches of people. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 09:41:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4547D3BE8A; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iZheGuP54ym0GoVIqLKbXGEr+XRzZSo/eCisZ35BH08=; b=LIjwktLTLz7F1z98Ray/5PNqFjJsAUHE94Id4Rra252jsxa3YVRPOaCb0dcFotG0Zt zZ027LXsKfQSATCErt0qCHsNxygVU68+sv7+jEm1Nmf9Fcb3VjY7OPPHbIG2t1H0m/71 TMKkE7uhYyavJFQTj9+BlOosGBbHHTOHyM/nM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=wlHSiyc9RRUx8Kuw3n47Q26LK2CCgdQHKCdOaxOO0jZds5b0besIcoEwRCXeUJniqO nKfwpuCCj9aW6M1MEo6CF5KYm07domxjkQqqZm8rnNn/Xj9lk+YBjfuf6iCYw7ibD8XG restyYcUTpo5ASYh4G2bqxKHfpr5KQhJLNB+E= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:41:32 +0200 From: "Byron Howell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:41:34 +0000 (UTC) "The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used is synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . I lean towards the use of 'real' but then I'm a grumpy old fart to some" "but, yes, for the purposes of common usage, sampling involves the use of "real" sounds while synthesis, synthetic ones ;)" seems best ta jump over on this thread, since its addressing some issues relating to using samples. The real/non real debate is long and deep one (expecially among musicologists an pretty much all comes down to one word "Authenticity". As a newbie looper i alsways tend towards creating music with either samples that i have recorded myself and thus have some memory fragment other that simply the sound etched in my consiousness or better yet..sounds/ loops that i have played myself on my own instruments, as this lends the music aspects of myself, which most often however reveal my newbieness/got a lot to learn. So resorting to sampled sounds to add in the mix would lend a bit of quality but...the "realness' or the "Authenticness of the samples ie. the inclusion of as much playing nuances as possible in the samples is important for the samples to sound authentic. But we all know that the electronic dance music movement mushroomed precicely because people liked the inhuman/inauthentic sounds. In seeking for a sample library claiming to replicate an instrument such as conga (with all the little nuances, slides, mutes etc. perhaps the more expensive the better. If i client wants "real" instruments but is not perared to pay them (as in the case of the orchestra) the next level would be the most sophisticated sample library of whatever instruments you desire to compose with. In my case, that would be percussion (I now know why there so few percussionist/drummer live loopers respectively) Ill repeat the question i asked earlier. If one is looking for a sample library with the most "authenticity"/"realness" in sound, what library pack would you recommend for your respective instruments (to open it up, but percussionists?). or what company is in the lead-quality wise. Respect Byron From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 10:40:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E64123BE7C; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 110355493/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/b2c-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.78.246.120/None/akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.78.246.120 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-MUA: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkMBAIv8MUlPTvZ4/2dsb2JhbAAIjm2+KIJ9g3c X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,689,1220223600"; d="scan'208";a="110355493" Message-ID: <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:44:21 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Byron Howell wrote: > "The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used > is synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to > satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 11:04:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01D43BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=Oo3uIvJo8NISx029npFTmKWsrp5bQdO9wb/tRBDU/Tc=; b=O6PRbUwSEYNKlgciPOWqXvVOxVtCmWgtFSB4BgBzcFLQcZJKuqZLrsHxdEnyOI+W0Y zaqKatOgeQoP68qG1DfP0UkjnYcvLWyojmeL+hpFDSNPP0mxH2Ze2mYT08IFDFVylCEY mC3n80TvSy7M9Js99BYWPk2/Z6o88OyltLPNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=czHxOxJBW+1AXDQCiX8SpbFdC/qAq2K5POOkCa7/n4U5mZHGcTG+9j4VHApvMhTAhX lgJ9q9rS2xLsuMPB804EqqP1fmff/2H4FTyHCxWjqe53Jf31pnlRiYVCAKHwbMrq7S2E Ii9fij5834/F8UM5cJhMHkbZ9FVC1BKnwrRuc= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:04:54 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_76129_11956908.1228043094364" References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: b945a99435578041 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:04:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_76129_11956908.1228043094364 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I never found a way to >> satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . >> > > No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. > > andy butler > > Nanotechnology? PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point tho... -- www.markfrancombe.com http://vimeo.com/user825094 http://uk.youtube.com/user/markfrancombe http://www.myspace.com/markfrancombe www.looop.no ------=_Part_76129_11956908.1228043094364 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
 I never found a way to
satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance.  .  

No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument.

andy butler

Nanotechnology?

PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point tho...


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Firstly I would like to point out something... Everyone, just look back at your FIRST EVER recordings (or memories) of explorations in music. Mine stems from the very late 70=B4s early eighties. Despite the MASSIVE influences I should have had at this time (punk, new wave, industrial electronics, all exploded around this time) my own music, as a kid was completely un-influenced by music of the time, or rather it wa= s a MASSIVE random hotch-potch of everything from punk, tangerine dream, gong= , and bleepy electronics, circa OMD, DM and krafwerk! As a kid I didnt care what I was doing or where it was leading, I just produced all the time, no barriers, just for fun, see what would happen. I sure I NEVER even considered whether I was inspired that day or not... I just DID! AND IT WAS ALL GREAT!!!!! Amateurish, yes, messy, yes, very badly recorded, and completely original!!!! My story is that while I was at Art college ('84-89), my mentor was a student, one year above me called Alisdair. He produced a new and completel= y different installation in his space every week! We all knew about his project and looked in to marvel at what he had come up with. He never announced it, just did it. AND... (pissing off the lecturers) he never documented any of it! Come the end of year, his show consisted of some dual screen Super8 films with soundtracks playing back around the hall on cheap cassette recorders. He was judged by his lecturers to get a 3rd (not a good grade) however,when the visiting examiners came in for the final show, they disagreed with the mark and put him up to a FIRST! (the highest grade one can get in the UK). You see, despite his installations NOT being included in his grading, that output had seeped through into his final show. I believe that constant work, and forcing yourself to play, will always see= p through. Alisdair never became famous, for anything, however last time I spoke to him, he informed me that his band Vitamin B12 had been recording every Tuesday night for 2 hours for the last 15 years, only breaking for holidays and sickness... He said that he was now looking for a record company that would release it ALL... as ONE ALBUM!!! He said that in total the running time, if you played it continuously would be one complete month! I asked him if it was all good, he said it wasnt for him to say, but that it WAS all music! Mark ------=_Part_76106_6590091.1228042868554 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I too, found some real truth in what Rick is saying, and was fascinated by the post and also have a similar story to relate. Firstly I would like to point out something...
Everyone, just look back at your = FIRST EVER recordings (or memories) of explorations in music. Mine stems from the very late 70=B4s early eighties. Despite the MASSIVE influences I should have had at this time (punk, new wave, industrial electronics, all exploded around this time) my own music, as a kid was completely un-influenced by music of the time, or rather it was a MASSIVE random hotch-potch of everything from punk, tangerine dream, gong, and bleepy electronics, circa OMD, DM and krafwerk! As a kid I didnt care what I was doing or where it was leading, I just produced all the time, no barriers, just for fun, see what would happen. I sure I NEVER even considered whether I was inspired that day or not... I just DID!
AND IT WAS ALL GREAT!!!!!
Amateurish, yes, messy, yes, very badly record= ed, and completely original!!!!

My story is that while I was at Art college ('84-89), my mentor was a student, one year above me called Alisdair. He produced a new and completely different installation in his space every week! We all knew about his project and looked in to marvel at what he had come up with. He never announced it, just did it. AND... (pissing off the lecturers) he never documented any of it!
Come the end of year, his show consisted of some dual screen Super8 films with soundtracks playing back around the hall on cheap cassette recorders. He was judged by his lecturers to get a 3rd (not a good grade) however,when the visiting examiners came in for the final show, they disagreed with the mark and put him up to a FIRST! (the highest grade one can get in the UK). You see, despite his installations NOT being included in his grading, that output had seeped through into his final show.

I believe that constant work, and forcing yourself to play, will always= seep through.

Alisdair never became famous, for anything, however last time I spoke to him, he informed me that his band Vitamin B12 had been recording every Tuesday night for 2 hours for the last 15 years, only breaking for holidays and sickness... He said that he was now looking for a record company that would release it ALL... as ONE ALBUM!!!
He said that in total the running time, if you played it continuously would be one complete month! I asked him if it was all good, he said it wasnt for him to say, but that it WAS all music!

Mark
------=_Part_76106_6590091.1228042868554-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 12:10:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DE5A3BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=q8M+S4ucNDZFiJwrwplR5BaiPym6cBf49l69Lalm54M=; b=Wks/fYT0Si2ULCKVMXpWxdow7ptNR089/xgrvDvVlFWTMaxa0DiX0OBt9z9WFc4Nmf 7N6KELxUa5XzcWIOLTRq0DnMCzM1pDaIc4lZF00Upt6jGvvGp1GLtvEeG+epCyGFbSWt 7PpbvKjJ3+5E7HwkzX52jSD/y4m00QA3D696Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HH6n7wwkUIe92GxF+aqE7k0vmgaHtuJ3C3NWpxbXlkDVgc36zxhGLE3Q6sMtmN6hnR e50sHU/+SjnE53CrBpcIuubqtxdPjQjK1IxXI/HQuAiNPaj8PjCflzPOByv3fw16sTNK MIGW2Kw7sWEs93mMwEfJBQhmI+qlxslmcjMOg= Message-ID: <3068dc10811300410w6fcc709cr7b5ed66e84b9e9e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:10:38 -0800 From: "Lindsey Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Looping newbie! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_83085_14326233.1228047038735" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:10:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_83085_14326233.1228047038735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey everyone, This is my story, sorry if you've already heard it: I discovered looping last year when I was working in the offices of Jazz Camp. I decided to visit camp to see what I had been working on all year while processing registrations and such. On a whim I decided to take a beatboxing class from Kid Beyond. The class was fun and amazing. Right after in the same room he was teaching a live looping class. "I don't know what this class is going to be about but the first class was so great, might as well see what the deal is." I thought to myself. I had been frustrated with trying to perform music in general because everyone I came into contact with seemed to be the wrong fit for me either because they were too flakey or too insular or just didn't think like I do in some other way. Anyway, the teacher started singing into the looper to demonstrate and then as the loop played back he harmonized with himself, in real time. Solution found. Who needs a band when you have a looper? Ok, new problem. How do I get one? Fast forward a year to a cancelled Ex-Voto show in Santa Cruz. Rick Walker sits down next to me at the bar. The second thing out of his mouth was about how looping is his passion. He makes some remark about the no-show band then launches into an explaination about how looping is his passion. I immediately spill my similar feelings on the subject. Mostly involving how I see looping as a revelation, my woes about the cluelessness guitar center regarding loopers, the seeming lack access to gear I was encountering and my desire to give this medium a crack. He heard my story and a little while later brought me a line 6 to could borrow on one condition: I had to perform at the Y2K8 loopfest a month later. I was floored but accepted the challenge. The first week was eye-opening, discovering the limitations and abilities of the device. The next week was full of sheer uninspiration since the initial lustre of the new toy had worn off. I started recording what I wrote into my digital camera to get perspective on what was happening and see if my thoughts were panning out. Things picked up a little in the final days before the festival. Even though the set was ten minutes too short and fraught with unfinished pieces the performance went rather well. It went so well in fact that I was awarded a Looping Endowment from the festival which was a gift of a Digitech Jamman. Speaking of which, there haven't been any threads on here that I can see about this looper. Who's using one? Lindsey ------=_Part_83085_14326233.1228047038735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey everyone,
This is my story, sorry if you've already heard it:

I discovered looping last year when I was working in the offices of Jazz Camp.  I decided to visit camp to see what I had been working on all year while processing registrations and such. On a whim I decided to take a beatboxing class from Kid Beyond.  The  class was fun and amazing. Right after in the same room he was teaching a live looping class. 

"I don't know what this class is going to be about but the first class was so great, might as well see what the deal is." I thought to myself.

I had been frustrated with trying to perform music in general because everyone I came into contact with seemed to be the wrong fit for me either because they were too flakey or too insular or just didn't think like I do in some other way. 

Anyway, the teacher started singing into the looper to demonstrate and then as the loop played back he harmonized with himself, in real time.  Solution found.  Who needs a band when you have a looper?

Ok, new problem.  How do I get one? 

Fast forward a year to a cancelled Ex-Voto show in Santa Cruz.  Rick Walker sits down next to me at the bar.  The second thing out of his mouth was about how looping is his passion.  He makes some remark about the no-show band then launches into an explaination about how looping is his passion.  I immediately spill my similar feelings on the subject. Mostly involving how I see looping as a revelation, my woes about the cluelessness  guitar center regarding loopers, the seeming lack access to gear I was encountering and my desire to give this medium a crack.  He heard my story and a little while later brought me a line 6 to could borrow on one condition: I had to perform at the Y2K8 loopfest a month later.  I was floored but accepted the challenge.

The first week was eye-opening, discovering the limitations and abilities of the device.  The next week was full of sheer uninspiration since the initial lustre of the new toy had worn off.  I started recording what I wrote into my digital camera to get perspective on what was happening and see if my thoughts were panning out.  Things picked up a little in the final days before the festival.

Even though the set was ten minutes too short and fraught with unfinished pieces the performance went rather well.  It went so well in fact that I was awarded a Looping Endowment from the festival which was a gift of a Digitech Jamman. 

Speaking of which, there haven't been any threads on here that I can see about this looper.  Who's using one?

Lindsey
------=_Part_83085_14326233.1228047038735-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 12:55:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E1E73BE85; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=023OwhO6z/AEAk8iKxCxWjWQ3YLdAycFn2x2IN6W7bM=; b=kLPPCcYCI09qZbw0wSI6N+HXIkI7vFaPwOKKwdoDwPpEhQ6cxKeYyXp4IZrm9ojPzX tZHpDrBwmycFmST7IW2ahIomtupQ1HQed75g7/bYk70wyI4aQ7BldOiaVS+yOkKVMGGt WbM8K89hgZ/kkadB90dxv0NNzKCBl4MSZZrnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=JP2Zp9Unj65qxoI4sizpA7+eiVXPIc9OU+iEnQTChF41RHvYOjizYd0VHflo7NZhXx 3kj67x8dXv/gjmKyZEgUCm4dcM8UXWnf7Jfw87uZ2Hv1mAZJY483PqSJZOzGmzIgIqPs 7g8wMiubJl/SJGS1Nhq8J4BWLX8bmEx5n2BxM= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:55:01 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:55:03 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I just want to share this piece of noise I created: http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 About the song: Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. Equipment: The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music box recording is used as source material for further sound processing in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From arafatsuha18@yahoo.com.co Sun Nov 30 12:56:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 373 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:56:06 UTC Received: from n23c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n23c.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.39]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 322BA3BE71 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [68.142.200.221] by n23.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 12:49:49 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 12:49:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2008 12:49:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-5 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 815843.74366.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 43143 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2008 12:49:49 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=ymail_nen1; d=yahoo.com.co; h=Received:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LK7CaiQOWT881fJUBVOlZiqNxYud0WnsrvpogFiZoJlOf4+L6A/F1pJ1p5A1yGMWwd5AYph9Oo9gs7Ykr0DNGSQuzyvc6OKJsROI4N+FVvc4VTr7GKoz6tyCglt7Mvr81078w3O9aj4xJy1DgzRe+nKfuOQ16l95gvwBSpTJFtw=; Received: from [41.204.224.41] by web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:49:49 PST Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 04:49:49 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?q?Suha=20Arafat?= Reply-To: suhaarafat2009@gmail.com Subject: Please Respond To This Letter As Soon As. To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-850601800-1228049389=:41074" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <327607.41074.qm@web111112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> --0-850601800-1228049389=:41074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ¡Tengo nueva dirección de correo!Ahora puedes escribirme a:arafatsuha18@yahoo.com.co - Dear Friend,I am MRS. SUHA ARAFAT, the wife of late YASSER ARAFAT, the Palestinian leader who died on November 11, 2004 in Paris . Since his death and even prior to the announcement, I have been thrown into a state of antagonism, confusion, humiliation, frustration and hopelessness by the present leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and the new Prime Minister. I have even been subjected to physical and psychological torture. As a widow that is so traumatized, I have lost confidence with everybody in the country at the moment, and for this reason I and my only daughter had to flee to Tunisia to live. I had been living in Tunisia ever since my husband died in 2004 until recently I was expulsed from the country over some political and controversial issues which also resulted in confiscation of all my assets and business investments and frozen of my bank accounts. I knew it was a plot and perfected arrangement from the presidency to push me out of a large business cartel I am in control of in Tunisia. Well I am not surprise of this development, although I have relocated to Valletta Malta where I am presently residing to begin a new life with my only daughter. Please I am writing you this email with a heart full of pains and sorrow, and for the reasons of all I have stated above, I would want you to treat this email and its content very confidential and under no circumstances would you disclose this to anyone. And I also want to inform you that I have been under security surveillances by the Palestinian Government since after the death of my husband because of some undisclosable bank accounts of my late husband which he made me the beneficiary. It is based on this fact that I am asking for your total confidentiality of this transaction. Therefore the basis of my email to you was to seek your consent, assistance and cooperation to re-profile ownership of this fund in the secrete account into your name so that it would not be traced to my late husband name and my name; otherwise it would be confiscated by the Palestinian Government. In this regard and based on my nomination of you as my trustee, you would have to make an application on my behalf to the bank for change of ownership of this account into your name to enable you wire out the funds from this bank to another bank of your choice that you considered safe and low tax. For security reasons I would not disclose the name of the bank and the amount involved until you in good faith agreed to consent to work with me. I plead for your acceptance of my offer for a 40% sharing of the total funds to you. If you agreed and accept my proposal in good faith, please send me your full details as follows; your Name, Address, Phone and Fax number and your international passport OR Drivers license identification for this preliminary stage of introduction of you to the bank. But in case you don't accept my offer, please do not let me out to the security and international media as I am giving you this information in total trust and confidence. I wait for your urgent response!! Thanks for your anticipated cooperation!!Yours truly,Mrs. Suha. --0-850601800-1228049389=:41074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Ahora puedes escribirme a:arafatsuha18@yahoo.com.co



- Dear Friend,I am MRS. SUHA ARAFAT, the wife of late YASSER ARAFAT, the Palestinian leader who died on November 11, 2004 in Paris . Since his death and even prior to the announcement, I have been thrown into a state of antagonism, confusion, humiliation, frustration and hopelessness by the present leadership of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and the new Prime Minister. I have even been subjected to physical and psychological torture. As a widow that is so traumatized, I have lost confidence with everybody in the country at the moment, and for this reason I and my only daughter had to flee to Tunisia to live. I had been living in Tunisia ever since my husband died in 2004 until recently I was expulsed from the country over some political and controversial issues which also resulted in confiscation of all my assets and business investments and frozen of my bank accounts. I knew it was a plot and perfected arrangement from the presidency to push me out of a large business cartel I am in control of in Tunisia. Well I am not surprise of this development, although I have relocated to Valletta Malta where I am presently residing to begin a new life with my only daughter. Please I am writing you this email with a heart full of pains and sorrow, and for the reasons of all I have stated above, I would want you to treat this email and its content very confidential and under no circumstances would you disclose this to anyone. And I also want to inform you that I have been under security surveillances by the Palestinian Government since after the death of my husband because of some undisclosable bank accounts of my late husband which he made me the beneficiary. It is based on this fact that I am asking for your total confidentiality of this transaction. Therefore the basis of my email to you was to seek your consent, assistance and cooperation to re-profile ownership of this fund in the secrete account into your name so that it would not be traced to my late husband name and my name; otherwise it would be confiscated by the Palestinian Government. In this regard and based on my nomination of you as my trustee, you would have to make an application on my behalf to the bank for change of ownership of this account into your name to enable you wire out the funds from this bank to another bank of your choice that you considered safe and low tax. For security reasons I would not disclose the name of the bank and the amount involved until you in good faith agreed to consent to work with me. I plead for your acceptance of my offer for a 40% sharing of the total funds to you. If you agreed and accept my proposal in good faith, please send me your full details as follows; your Name, Address, Phone and Fax number and your international passport OR Drivers license identification for this preliminary stage of introduction of you to the bank. But in case you don't accept my offer, please do not let me out to the security and international media as I am giving you this information in total trust and confidence. I wait for your urgent response!! Thanks for your anticipated cooperation!!Yours truly,Mrs. Suha.
--0-850601800-1228049389=:41074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:01:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D78D3BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=iz2hP0VAfTVD+eytGI30YLAeKZxN8cnkpeDabA7o3cU=; b=TNeUedJYp3vMO2ZKV3UU2PDrAsV/bW7JjT0e3T1BXCK9H0IC1KzclMDyPyUWcHbUV3 WQSEa3mZj9gV/7cMCYiDPj+7+qXJnN722y4IKpFT3f2zMeDLPA2UfKRAXIGjFbQzniRJ VEPwIhFgwYWDe1ci0PPW1SnSj2xEnB+DUxSJs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=AkX0ODeiMvy5y1ftm7zdT+a4RERgvXwy1nbEryRobFPHPIgrQ4l4B4Jt/IxFuyJH/+ kK+AxN8/8wYzdCfep/nt5YCiqODc6box/SvojwSggf9q3i2oB/NuKXfOyeN2VtFYb8GY SkfTM9ZIatTYrhqTf4OWBpxXk/oMX6j/u1JbQ= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:01:44 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Nice, Per. Do you know where one can find these music boxes? -j On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to share this piece of noise I created: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > About the song: > Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you > can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such > music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should > create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. > > Equipment: > The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a > microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music > box recording is used as source material for further sound processing > in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about > playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:09:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD1EE3BE85; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=F9F7vALGvisMlSgM1Oswi6HKI/UG+uX3PZvOMHQ+ajo=; b=TKUL4EB0l0V9PHjyJ17mmj/GjwHCONlJ4gUQgpshKo7S1B4G30vZJarfbs/103Z9OJ UpSeE6QMJEsNdLVcITn8zPV00ztbbK8Jm8g3XEwS5nXlNeBAPg/kJqou08xMBcG1ZM0s Lg00GV1FG6o52YtwY9ZxKRYGwtWp/po7niAO0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=doqNDosNZ60TelSxgB6/NEbtd+0ZfL+dBdUiZWrGPBjeUjCizr3zW5HuzgYSSnBWhx fQv2Q7X3RnDJwPTR1Cav/+Xn1Nup25cge4BBKyHIxIr+wHqeaMl6IN5gnrRTH53Am95o HL7Qewt29uBHdLvGsb1O4+wNM9meEmTUwuXfY= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811300509h7190818v271a7b1b8220a50e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:09:01 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:09:02 +0000 (UTC) No, but Rick Walker knows. Maybe he wants to share the secret with the list? Per - Music Box Shredder's Delight - On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jeff Lomas wrote: > Nice, Per. Do you know where one can find these music boxes? > > -j > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I just want to share this piece of noise I created: >> >> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >> >> >> About the song: >> Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you >> can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such >> music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should >> create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. >> >> Equipment: >> The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a >> microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music >> box recording is used as source material for further sound processing >> in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about >> playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) >> >> -- >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> www.myspace.com/perboysen >> www.stockholm-athens.com >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:17:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0953BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UrxXcMGy2epoy0JX3pmcwxKh+TP40/DvqZSsdpbt0to=; b=WDJt4hRMHT9CaZBYDqcMqYaIzHp4FIJU4lrUYVjcucr4PSifRZss86aXRQT/opxvVn n7pk2jYsYOWgpfqAJ4ZyuIZpI6vRWQ2t5JyZI/qGk5pq6ZCk4rw25dEoZ1J9+RJ3U6kZ wJmhQXIGhK1miW5ICkAyadottyYL5kul6RDZI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=XL941uBYwZGfpJ8N6aKn1Agl/4KVzAB7wRcDoFE5GKaletc6c64iSpi48ffDphhr8v A/G6FRwNJ5GCfC3/DPFtDUpwPBrcmg04j9f75PqvccmPfoLqKwPWfXvBD0CyBJq31Zik I0bbAGOk5CsyuWmdHrdLIECkD2YtAw5kv/p8o= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:17:25 +0300 From: "Jeff Lomas" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300509h7190818v271a7b1b8220a50e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811300509h7190818v271a7b1b8220a50e@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <80SUzC.A.CRF.nJpMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:17:27 +0000 (UTC) Looks like ThinkGeek and some others sell 'em online. http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/8f7f/ http://www.redferret.net/?p=10735 http://www.shop4musicboxes.co.uk/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=81 -J On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > No, but Rick Walker knows. Maybe he wants to share the secret with the list? > > Per > > - Music Box Shredder's Delight - > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jeff Lomas wrote: >> Nice, Per. Do you know where one can find these music boxes? >> >> -j >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just want to share this piece of noise I created: >>> >>> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >>> >>> >>> About the song: >>> Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you >>> can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such >>> music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should >>> create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. >>> >>> Equipment: >>> The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a >>> microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music >>> box recording is used as source material for further sound processing >>> in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about >>> playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.myspace.com/perboysen >>> www.stockholm-athens.com >>> > > -- --------------------------- (504) 613-0837 Skype: whsp3r Chain Tape Profile: http://tinyurl.com/6ltw9p Twitter Blog: http://www.twitter.com/jefflomas/ Cigar Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/5u2scv From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:21:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76FB43BE7B; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <339c30110811291647m77ce5f24n346972af8b3c286f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: a moronic question Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:00 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original X-Vipre-Scanned: 0007369E00097C000737EB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <50p-U.A.mZF.JNpMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:13 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael noble" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:47 AM Subject: Re: a moronic question > Perhaps it depends if you needing a technical/semantic distinction or > a distinction in common usage. Without wanting to play devil's > advocate, but isn't ALL sampling a form of synthetic reproduction of > an original waveform? A recording is not reproduction if it was source-recorded as opposed to re-created or replicated. > The arguments above could be taken to imply > that photographs are 'the real thing' whilst paintings are merely > artistic approximations, when both are just differing forms of > synthetic production. A photograph is a static recording in single-frame. Paintings are indeed interpretations either from or filtered through the mind and hands/etc of the artist. > Similarly, wavetable synthesis, which I don't > claim to understand in technical detail, involves synthesis based on > sampling. It is also not difficult to conceive of recombinant > sampling techniques that will generate wholly new sounds based on > sample mixing at anywhere from the sample level of microsound to the > sonic event level. In thus respect, a dualism as stated is possibly > too simplistic. Nope. A recording is not synthesis unless that which was recorded was originally synthesized itself. > but, yes, for the purposes of common usage, sampling involves the use > of "real" sounds while synthesis, synthetic ones ;) Basically, though I'm sure there are lots of people who use sampling that keep up a pretense of 'creating' the sounds per se, but that's the non-synthesized source of several firefights on LD since its inception. :) > -looplog > > On 11/30/08, SP Goodman wrote: >> From: "Bruce Gilman" >>> >>> I have a question for composers or performers who use samples. >>> >>> Sorry to wave my ignorance. Please indulge the ignorant. >>> >>> >>> If you write or play with samples, let's say string samples, are you >>> using synthesized sounds? >>> >>> >>> Again my apologies for interrupting, >>> B.G. >> >> Hi Bruce, >> >> The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used is >> synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to satisfactorily >> replicate Tablas, for instance. When I got Fruity Loops (now FLStudio) >> and >> a sample-set of Tabla sounds I could 'do' as such without having to >> resort >> to synth programming-fiddling. Moreover if one uses FLStudio one is >> using >> non-synthesized samples in many cases. I lean towards the use of 'real' >> but >> then I'm a grumpy old fart to some. >> >> SP Goodman >> * >> http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman >> http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman >> >> >> > > > -- > networking practice for sound environments :: http://nowhere.iamnobody.net > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:24:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37E53BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <48A882CB01C74863B65274908636CA95@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: a moronic question Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:24:23 -0000 Organization: EarthLight Productions X-Unsent: 1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response X-Vipre-Scanned: 000A4BDD00097C000A4D2A Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: <6H4-OC.A.ehF.SQpMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:24:34 +0000 (UTC) From: "andy butler" > Byron Howell wrote: >> "The source of the sample would determine whether the sound being used >> is synthesized or not, I'd guess. I never found a way to >> satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . > > No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. Thus my search for actual sampled recordings. Hey, sometimes cheesy pseudo is what you want! But not in the case of those particular drums. SP Goodman * http://www.youtube.com/spgoodman http://www.last.fm/music/Stephen+Goodman From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 13:26:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BEFC3BE86; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <3B2E50DA8A794F97A60F13BF54C5599B@eluk1> From: "SP Goodman" To: References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: a moronic question Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:26:03 -0000 X-Unsent: 1 Organization: EarthLight Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C952EF.312D8D20" X-Vipre-Scanned: 000BD33800097C000BD485 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:26:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C952EF.312D8D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: mark francombe=20 I never found a way to satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . =20 No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. andy butler Nanotechnology? PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point = tho...=20 Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless that's all one is = striving to do, I guess. I wanted to make music with Tablas, not learn = how to replicate them. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C952EF.312D8D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From:=20 mark=20 francombe
 I=20 never found a way to
satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for = instance.=20  .  

No-one ever found a way to = replicate any=20 acoustic instrument.

andy=20 butler

Nanotechnology?

PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet = you can...=20 dont see the point tho...
Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless = that's all=20 one is striving to do, I guess.  I wanted to make music with = Tablas, not=20 learn how to replicate them.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C952EF.312D8D20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 14:18:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A7AB03BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6ulxDasTiH2NZE2b8BelU0yvtWZz5gtjqnySAG7v87k=; b=lQcmN0DTEu1oAImWvtQRtPOSGAzSsfmXp5RlGzNuAlGkCh4FwStsk2PUXGgsaT2XS/ CkBSBApXHPY2TRpRpm/pt3AdKkilv0hw0oHGNt+6YAMmgl5B+LlFh5C3oww46bsVU6Ub /S640ModOBncvFYDHynozui+0dNKh5d8clWM0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=rIIsOMMXMIdXpLKCecQV3sJh/yLf0UuB4RIfmd4PPuaXBQvC6vq/DBZx621e+36SZv 64CAQxbq5dY/yYuwW9zRtO2ywZHMLWN8NIV6UGe27cVhu6jZew6RPNc6oU2CVORiPnuS 6FcgDHnKT41cHWHheuJdFd86DJs+u8CgrIr8w= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:18:54 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45043_8590136.1228054734959" References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:18:56 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45043_8590136.1228054734959 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per, ROTFLMAOWD ("WD="With Delight")!! ... Per, this is brilliant ... Okay, time for a full accounting. Who else got this little gizmos? I think the idea was brilliant and see lots of possibilities, so who else has been working with them and what can you show us? (Reaching for my credit card even now to order a couple) Bets, Dennis On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to share this piece of noise I created: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > About the song: > Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you > can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such > music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should > create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. > > Equipment: > The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a > microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music > box recording is used as source material for further sound processing > in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about > playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_45043_8590136.1228054734959 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per,

ROTFLMAOWD ("WD="With Delight")!! ... Per, this is brilliant ...

Okay, time for a full accounting. Who else got this little gizmos? I think the idea was brilliant and see lots of possibilities, so who else has been working with them and what can you show us?

(Reaching for my credit card even now to order a couple)

Bets,

Dennis

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:55 AM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I just want to share this piece of noise I created:

http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550


About the song:
Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you
can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such
music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should
create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box.

Equipment:
The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a
microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music
box recording is used as source material for further sound processing
in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about
playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com




--
http://myspace.com/usrsbin
http://audiozoloft.com
http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/
------=_Part_45043_8590136.1228054734959-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 14:31:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42DFC3BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=TXqDh/IVChZbAQUI0kRdepbUwGX7/u/+0+FPomqmH4w=; b=uYt7zisDL/SJ+fZBOEn+9T+SmN1VDF/yoFcV9atILP6a8nX3w+Pb/6hOa/CmYEQ+MS QYBC95OGS//UCt9Fs34f/uWXCngUxg4ILjRecDAexvw0d6ezgAMeXUTO1ftsZUfoyUWu uF+PGA/pOICTg/bpls99p1S39qOUyroDJeJhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JjdvGF+Hzp6VEBiTFMPdHTqkP9jA8R4yMvlC+Z+3p4vLaSt//N479VVeeafyZ5JZWu HoHBOoyk6TX94MssyFWE1KFigVzwwZ024D4rk1JaTOuiHSgbvedQsQvk30D5/DeDY4Zt KofYf7Ht70HxK5sXDHR/fylB8lIjKuVs7JM7A= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:31:28 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: loopers-delight , loopers-delight Subject: Geo-Loc ... follow-up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_45077_30665993.1228055488410" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:31:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_45077_30665993.1228055488410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, so I got one response and you're right, Stefean, BC is a bit more than 300 miles from Laramie, Wyoming (but hell, I grew up in Texas, so what's a little drive for a road trip ... right?). So here's the question again, as all the folks in the US creep out from under the heavy hand of tryptophan and prepare fro the new week: Who on the list is an active looper, living in Colorado, Montana, Idaho, Nebraska, South Dakota, or Utah? This isn't an academic question, but it will have a "quality of life" impact on a decision that is looming in the very near future. Best to everyone from the Home of Turkey for November, Dennis -- http://myspace.com/usrsbin http://audiozoloft.com http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com/ ------=_Part_45077_30665993.1228055488410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Okay, so I got one response and you're right, Stefean, BC is a bit more than 300 miles from Laramie, Wyoming (but hell, I grew up in Texas, so what's a little drive for a road trip ... right?).

So here's the question again, as all the folks in the US creep out from under the heavy hand of tryptophan and prepare fro the new week:

Who on the list is an active looper, living in Colorado, Montana, Idaho, Nebraska, South Dakota, or Utah?

This isn't an academic question, but it will have a "quality of life" impact on a decision that is looming in the very near future.

Best to everyone from the Home of Turkey for November,

Dennis

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------=_Part_45077_30665993.1228055488410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 14:39:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0633BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rick Walker" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 06:37:50 -0800 Message-Id: <20081130143046.M87136@cruzio.com> In-Reply-To: <20081130130146.A8DC53BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081130130146.A8DC53BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Open WebMail 2.51 20050317 X-OriginatingIP: 74.220.69.228 (looppool) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:39:06 +0000 (UTC) This piece is just magic, Per, one of my favorites of all the music I've heard (which says a lot, because I love your music). I love the mixture of the composition played in real time and then the recontextualization of many of the sounds. I'm amazed that you came up with such an amazing bass drum sound using the music box.............any hints about what magic you created in your sound design for that one? As far as that goes, I'd love to hear your description of how you created this marvelous piece of music. It's just beautiful...........just the right balance of melodic composition, randomness and generated sound. It also makes me realize that I've composed my UR toy music box recording but have yet to actually punch the paper yet. I devised a way to compose for the toy music box (under $15 USD) using Fruity Loops FL Studio Producers Edition ($150) and my MacBook Pro running Win XP ($3,000 USD). This is what my wife lovingly refers to as UMAD recording, or an Unholy Mixture of Analogue and Digital. Anyone else interested in this delightful composeable toy music box can write to me and I'll show you where to buy one. I gave several away to composers I admire in an attempt to create a new project for the CT-Collective but I"ve been so busy with touring, performing and the loop festivals that I haven't had a chance to follow through. Perhaps in 2009. I can be reached at looppool(at sign)cruzio(dot sign)com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 14:41:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5CC83BE80; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NwKOx9hhVCH1WEyjEje4qhGUNMsyNYuXsF+tleYY1cc=; b=yEAEqMTFLaRb4bfe55AcTRd4u/0L4iRl8S1gR77uB3phu8QXn311ycbjUrL+f98qQI u47wmCRzIbX9unzEz1ZsOqEthZALOE0rnGrzKSLi7nFt79aQAzeEwYqR74Qk+6AKmuEp +RnJ1G2WrTTURk3xkfgq43iJJ05yEfMCPYAuA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=fIPFivtWaUZId95BI6KcAnoR1Ud/FrgVWibYUZ9YiwTra+Aqpp8MEDA0adck5CIQnL aVKyQJMLhzVfzfNfIeJHwv1Te3azS5L9B2lJcE32h6ZkJWdpK+DLv0smhY10W+neJqqY lNxSWvegQ6CQH2sBZmNfti/teUvdy7BKWmMe8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811300641j74758f02y31b1ebd2c2a4928@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:41:20 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: mobius In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <479yFB.A.ylH.RYqMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:41:21 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Simeon Harris wrote: > hi per, just listened to your stuff on ubetoo, really inspiring stff man, > especially the tune called "cute furry thing". you list the software used as > mobius, but surely there were some other processing/plugins going on? if > not, how did you create it and can i do something similar with my LP-1? > thanks man, you're an inspiration! > sim Hi Sim, I played through a TC Electronics Fireworx that was synced to Mobius (first loop setting the tempo). The sounds I used in the Fireworx are about the same sounds I now make with the SoundToys Native Bundle AU plug-in pack (www.soundtoys.com). Before I sold the Fireworx I examined how my favorite sound patches were put together and it's pretty simple stuff like using a beta synced LFO to work a cut-off filter while applying some resonance. Oh... another important factor is to use an envelope follower on the input level and make that modulate the filter as well (or the LFO tempo division, which you don't hear in this song but which is very fun to play with). The exact way to produce the recording was like most time around here. I was playing and having fun with looping in Mobius and suddenly it struck me - "Hey, this is cute, sounds like a little furry animal inside that laptop", so I stopped playing for a minute to check out a nice pop style format arrangement to play play the loops. I keep my hand operated FaderFox button pad assigned to "trigger loop" to directly access every loop on every track. I never create more than five loops on a track so it's possible to remember. I think I used three or four tracks filled up with four loops- So I hit the "Start record summed output to a stereo file" button in Mobius and fingered my way through the loops. I did no more live playing on the flute while rendering the stuff to disk, because I had already captured enough live playing within some of the loops. In general, the method was very similar to how some people like to use Ableton Live. Triggering clips while keeping a mental picture of possible options like you may envision a Excel Data Sheet. But I think Mobius is more intuitive than Live. I also used some buttons assigned directly to the loop's "go reverse on next sub-cycle cusp and keep playing in reverse until next cycle cusp when you hook up with the rest of the loop and realign to the main tempo" (a script I did for Mobius). This little things work as "loop local fills" in the music -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 14:59:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5B63BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ksqsFGDRTyjJYSJ4uhEI/aIJrwM6d4ZX+Rt71rkeucs=; b=NkAyXHNXFrPDx2QN3ZCRKqJs8aMJbhke1H4AYb8o4miuwZkycoVETHlPhKw1hcUkdA bU+v91XdEGBXGcs5z+T+IL73AS4R8V9blhWx3RXJH6fssUXrxyK4w8LnxxIkeXXgvzzv eYWHNIINteS+Zo5WuWGyOMLEDDeJScP9hJEAw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=MImY0zD5zVcoXNjR55I8dTGriQeno7YKdX8KXxhvqvGPI3YZha8k5QFrx4nD4wThkb FtTISD3Zbu01W6M3Q76LnciBwfDxvtijMHI5OEUfRcEQH5JOiDvDKdBmIIVHHdsrquDF vxkGEqGiVI3/ou/PqJS8v9qWFrsx0AYVSZU5k= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811300659s5bb30f36l92d37c666d1a6d3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:59:00 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing In-Reply-To: <20081130143046.M87136@cruzio.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081130130146.A8DC53BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> <20081130143046.M87136@cruzio.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:59:03 +0000 (UTC) On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I'm amazed that you came up > with such an amazing bass drum sound using the music box.............any > hints about what magic you created in your sound design for that one? The low singing drum sound is one music box tingle routed through a plug-in of Logic's called Autofilter. I used none of the beat syncing functionalities, only the two basic ones Resonance and Cut-Off. With a lot of resonance and cut-off a filter can be brought close to self oscillation, which can sound like that :-) > As far as that goes, I'd love to hear your description of how you created > this marvelous piece of music. It's just beautiful...........just the > right balance of melodic composition, randomness and generated sound. Well, that's kind of hard because basically it's just about fiddling around. Before you fiddle around though, you have to learn the tools and all aspects of how they can process different types of sound. Then you "unlearn" that and fiddle around with whatever material you've got. Hmm... I can at least tell one thing without messing with the truth: the "randomness" comes from the music box refusing to being cranked in sync with a given tempo ;-)) I think that's what cool with it. Nasty little bitch crap ting-a-ling thing, so proud to be out of time. Stupid me tried so hard to crank it in time with precious bee-pee-emms, but had to give that up. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.myspace.com/perboysen www.stockholm-athens.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 15:10:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B3C3BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:10:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=rJDOY/dEmZrbi9vDYMpEa1VjpnZb0Zyj51yYFnRnzGY=; b=tv78gerE3ua/E238NHlOIRNhqrHbC4+Bh32FL9WxJL5qOLHdwonbW+3ze1LCbu8Div OgIqNMbuUpsV5Un0Fq5a2XeqpEcr8CtUURKE6UYhZ1HWVFVW726mQlfboC5LSQ5b8nb5 9wja/76nqaQdjdtRvLRnTbd3Kq72Jtakwicds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=wcYqd/2XBFv1TbyVXLX5+Wu76p3Lc1+/kDY3SJg7TaVACpLfwFfzX14eov1R96xb8A GrNER+N6uwhLvCs/7Up7pIvLkeH1vEUcgAJLMGesgf5nx4wSVtQHOzfpLNFrfgcFzVfL MwL7zANOxBL1eB2GqNP1tNOX48x5JSTyPqFto= Message-ID: <101191640811300710k1a7262cfw4563362b7cc500c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:10:33 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a moronic question In-Reply-To: <3B2E50DA8A794F97A60F13BF54C5599B@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_72155_2014693.1228057833610" References: <11FA9EB1-5C6A-44A3-B758-9A1AD783C2A6@interworld.net> <20081130001810.d3io0agc2skgc88s@mail.kevinkissinger.com> <49326E85.4080205@tiscali.co.uk> <9ab0c76f0811300304x7c6b0994r83616036c66900f5@mail.gmail.com> <3B2E50DA8A794F97A60F13BF54C5599B@eluk1> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 20610a5b56a6117a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:10:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_72155_2014693.1228057833610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You can replicate a single note via a sampler pretty darned well. What is much harder to replicate realistically are incidental noises and non-pianistic techniques in a particular idiom (especially if you're trying to trigger them via MIDI, an extremely keyboard-centric view of the world). Even playing a single note on my guitar - how hard I pluck it determines both how "slappy" (as in bass slapping) it sounds, and also how much of a little fret buzz coming in after the 2nd note hits. And the attack of the 2nd note, being a hammer-on, is quite different than the attack of the first (and is *impossible* for the sampler to even begin to model, since all it gets is a MIDI pitch change message from the controller - how does it know it's a hammer?). You'd need a pretty smart sample player, with many layers of samples being triggered under different circumstances to do a reasonable job, and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defeat you (depending on controller and its match to the instrument being modelled). On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:26 AM, SP Goodman wrote: > *From:* mark francombe > >> I never found a way to >>> satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance. . >>> >> >> No-one ever found a way to replicate any acoustic instrument. >> >> andy butler >> >> Nanotechnology? > > PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you can... dont see the point > tho... > > Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless that's all one is > striving to do, I guess. I wanted to make music with Tablas, not learn how > to replicate them. > > ------=_Part_72155_2014693.1228057833610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You can replicate a single note via a sampler pretty darned well. What is m= uch harder to replicate realistically are incidental noises and non-pianist= ic techniques in a particular idiom (especially if you're trying to tri= gger them via MIDI, an extremely keyboard-centric view of the world). Even = playing a single note on my guitar - how hard I pluck it determines both ho= w "slappy" (as in bass slapping) it sounds, and also how much of = a little fret buzz coming in after the 2nd note hits. And the attack of the= 2nd note, being a hammer-on, is quite different than the attack of the fir= st (and is impossible for the sampler to even begin to model, since = all it gets is a MIDI pitch change message from the controller - how does i= t know it's a hammer?). You'd need a pretty smart sample player, wi= th many layers of samples being triggered under different circumstances to = do a reasonable job, and even then the nature of MIDI would frequently defe= at you (depending on controller and its match to the instrument being model= led).



On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 8:26 AM, SP = Goodman <s= pgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
 I=20 never found a way to
satisfactorily replicate Tablas, for instance= .=20  .  

No-one ever found a way to replica= te any=20 acoustic instrument.

andy=20 butler

Nanotechnology?

PS, are you sure? On a recording? I bet you c= an...=20 dont see the point tho...
Attempting to replicate is far too much work unless t= hat's all=20 one is striving to do, I guess.  I wanted to make music with Tablas, n= ot=20 learn how to replicate them.
 

------=_Part_72155_2014693.1228057833610-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 15:21:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F4EE3BE79; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:21:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20081130152102492.7829D1C0008F@mwinf2124.orange.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <20081130151039.07D1B3BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081130151039.07D1B3BE80@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-56-643158425 Message-Id: <8b9c0c6021f03718b6881ed7691730d5@laposte.net> From: o.malhomme@laposte.net Subject: It was not a real moronic question, was it ? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:21:01 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:21:04 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-56-643158425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > A recording is not reproduction if it was source-recorded as opposed > to re-created or replicated. I beg to differ. In no way a recording is the original event. It is a reproduction of SOME aspects of the original source. It is not different for music. The recording is no more reality than photographs are. > Nope. A recording is not synthesis unless that which was recorded was > originally synthesized itself. That is not that simple. The technology implied may be use of calculating machines eating bytes and delivering in the end a signal. One can understand that the recording is then a kind of synthesis. The synthesis of a musical event on the basis on gathered informations on another musical event. One may not agree, of course. Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-56-643158425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Lucida GrandeA recording is not reproduction if it was source-recorded as opposed to re-created or replicated. Lucida Grande I beg to differ. In no way a recording is the original event. It is a reproduction of SOME aspects of the original source. It is not different for music. The recording is no more reality than photographs are. Lucida GrandeNope. A recording is not synthesis unless that which was recorded was originally synthesized itself. Lucida GrandeThat is not that simple. The technology implied may be use of calculating machines eating bytes and delivering in the end a signal. One can understand that the recording is then a kind of synthesis. The synthesis of a musical event on the basis on gathered informations on another musical event. Lucida GrandeOne may not agree, of course. Olivier Malhomme --Apple-Mail-56-643158425-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 15:22:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D30BB3BE79; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=ZYlHyquo6EAqEujUGF5ND6nWA4hGiE422yDiqWdBUxqu3GiszkVe/Mp8IfLmW3kDF57Afp8FThXzCHGeYrhU0qMAA3jlgDE6OX7zI8Ff/h+m+AG+Yi0ORoF83k4VjOUgsD06o2AWisSNAnG53murf5sOchVWAImtfBuGZQSGDlY=; X-YMail-OSG: QAmjMfAVM1kfWqcaJsWPhDqOA0p6D4WQOBejxPYZlbv5q2kuMJ3B8QWWijc9RVpWQ3VUjvn4zNDbzDuMgQ3iLC6RAB7YwhTJp7fckfOLBftJ9Wn.lNb_R.Pn9makW_T89Ykrohf_dYNVSBQF9lHSBgahXoE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:22:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L.Angulo" Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping newbie! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3068dc10811300410w6fcc709cr7b5ed66e84b9e9e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <450691.71965.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Hey Lindsey, your name rings a bell...are u the girl who Rick introduced us to after the Goth night party and we procceded to party all night at another Ricks friends house, and who also spent the night at Ricks that night? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Lindsey Walker wrote: > From: Lindsey Walker > Subject: Looping newbie! > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:10 AM > Hey everyone, > This is my story, sorry if you've already heard it: > > I discovered looping last year when I was working in the > offices of Jazz > Camp. I decided to visit camp to see what I had been > working on all year > while processing registrations and such. On a whim I > decided to take a > beatboxing class from Kid Beyond. The class was fun and > amazing. Right > after in the same room he was teaching a live looping > class. > > "I don't know what this class is going to be about > but the first class was > so great, might as well see what the deal is." I > thought to myself. > > I had been frustrated with trying to perform music in > general because > everyone I came into contact with seemed to be the wrong > fit for me either > because they were too flakey or too insular or just > didn't think like I do > in some other way. > > Anyway, the teacher started singing into the looper to > demonstrate and then > as the loop played back he harmonized with himself, in real > time. Solution > found. Who needs a band when you have a looper? > > Ok, new problem. How do I get one? > > Fast forward a year to a cancelled Ex-Voto show in Santa > Cruz. Rick Walker > sits down next to me at the bar. The second thing out of > his mouth was > about how looping is his passion. He makes some remark > about the no-show > band then launches into an explaination about how looping > is his passion. I > immediately spill my similar feelings on the subject. > Mostly involving how I > see looping as a revelation, my woes about the cluelessness > guitar center > regarding loopers, the seeming lack access to gear I was > encountering and my > desire to give this medium a crack. He heard my story and > a little while > later brought me a line 6 to could borrow on one condition: > I had to perform > at the Y2K8 loopfest a month later. I was floored but > accepted the > challenge. > > The first week was eye-opening, discovering the limitations > and abilities of > the device. The next week was full of sheer uninspiration > since the initial > lustre of the new toy had worn off. I started recording > what I wrote into > my digital camera to get perspective on what was happening > and see if my > thoughts were panning out. Things picked up a little in > the final days > before the festival. > > Even though the set was ten minutes too short and fraught > with unfinished > pieces the performance went rather well. It went so well > in fact that I was > awarded a Looping Endowment from the festival which was a > gift of a Digitech > Jamman. > > Speaking of which, there haven't been any threads on > here that I can see > about this looper. Who's using one? > > Lindsey From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 15:57:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B36BF3BE77; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rkgfCdP6e6YVeWG0VmSe++MchwCTRHB/uq/bERlKkRd92Y/JGXTAy01mmqUN4U7L5BbYe4rAhe5vhcyjKAf/d+81U2L55G7prr1wToF/qYCmX4eSFjLeypbBIN3XIjcrbsCGCBXDcBq1jB38jDPgqmChygQV3vsmvdPBVEjohTs= ; X-YMail-OSG: pjEAlcsVM1nGDXvlYyCFtUiFjXvTjoo1.D6b_nZt_j8OI8j7G_1pK460SC7ijumNT068Qb0fpAWQD1FUpQjxSgYmUG1fp76RE7JZ8hRPJgxQ.T4GN_yzyV0ghytHtRI0GxHrDGq221aUtngbv0.5VVlelWyMhxD2.6Ix3EKxxuu2SGEC01mdFdmGauw- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <00ac01c95304$593a7e30$0601a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20081130130146.A8DC53BE85@arsenic.violacea.com> <20081130143046.M87136@cruzio.com> <66f9cc1e0811300659s5bb30f36l92d37c666d1a6d3e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:34:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:57:32 +0000 (UTC) I enjoyed it. Thanks for sharing, Per. Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Toy Music Box was: new piece uploaded for sharing > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Rick Walker wrote: >> I'm amazed that you came up >> with such an amazing bass drum sound using the music box.............any >> hints about what magic you created in your sound design for that one? > > The low singing drum sound is one music box tingle routed through a > plug-in of Logic's called Autofilter. I used none of the beat syncing > functionalities, only the two basic ones Resonance and Cut-Off. With a > lot of resonance and cut-off a filter can be brought close to self > oscillation, which can sound like that :-) > > >> As far as that goes, I'd love to hear your description of how you >> created >> this marvelous piece of music. It's just beautiful...........just the >> right balance of melodic composition, randomness and generated sound. > > > Well, that's kind of hard because basically it's just about fiddling > around. Before you fiddle around though, you have to learn the tools > and all aspects of how they can process different types of sound. Then > you "unlearn" that and fiddle around with whatever material you've > got. > > Hmm... I can at least tell one thing without messing with the truth: > the "randomness" comes from the music box refusing to being cranked in > sync with a given tempo ;-)) I think that's what cool with it. Nasty > little bitch crap ting-a-ling thing, so proud to be out of time. > Stupid me tried so hard to crank it in time with precious > bee-pee-emms, but had to give that up. > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: > 29/11/2008 18:52 > > From finance.office1@gmail.com Sun Nov 30 16:12:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2072 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:12:47 UTC Received: from nlpi029.prodigy.net (nlpi029.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.36.58]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE983BE72 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (dsl-146-51-103.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.51.103]) (authenticated bits=0) by nlpi029.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mAUFbrnW013013; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:37:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200811301537.mAUFbrnW013013@nlpi029.prodigy.net> Reply-To: From: "From Mr. David Radebe" Subject: RE: INSTRUCTIONS TO CREDIT YOUR ACCOUNT WITH THE SUM OF £1,000,000.00 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:38:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:; >From Mr. David Radebe Director (Payment Approval) United Kingdom Ministry of Finance Office of the Treasure-Department Of Finance Dear: Sir/Madam The Treasury Department and the Ministry of Finance here in the United Kingdom has investigated your funds, which has been on transfer process for some period of time. 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Regards, Mr. David Radebe Department of Treasury and the Ministry of Finance From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 17:03:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7234C3BE80; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=QyRJ4YfVuETB4iOtfgY+QigPWOoHFDp2dFCtXXK8U2c=; b=kr437KELRW60hNU89QcQXDc9/PLqa4CHKABjAi7a5k09TQfJK5wEpHwDG4dlqpMTTW fa3ezhgpSBwlnv83fkMMQT1KslxfmQy/Uvt2mx5e2MUxVoSdsbGI85zBArgB9Mfq2sMu 7uK8obl4hwcooT/Lhy+7sZV5nV8XUEZdNLP1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :x-google-sender-auth; b=FrI4SSKEaWqWMWnLV+5nGfNnCi1VbhEOm2fR8Rhg3ZNWwRrh9q2AhnlmUU3ct2YYc0 fGs5gCDdOuBMCWisZtH1/61eqYDDI1lA3zASWoXWbpjjy+ZPBstpu+MFFFb8FlxM6IZx uqJfmzZPfDbgcs/DdDr9Fqd/oKULmEN0EsbKc= Message-ID: <101191640811300903x71db1f94ub651730f1cbd65f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:03:20 -0500 From: "Warren Sirota" Sender: warrensirota@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ubetoo, and pitch-shifting piece MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_73898_1618428.1228064600376" X-Google-Sender-Auth: bb9ac84ddd4b6528 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:03:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_73898_1618428.1228064600376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I noticed when I went to listen to Per's lovely music box piece on Ubetoo, that he was 11th most-popular based on listens in the last 24 hours. It doesn't take much on this fledgling service. What do you all think about a concerted program to bring live loopers to the top of that list for a while? I'll listen to yours if you'll listen to mine? that way, maybe others outside the group will be exposed to more of it? Anyway, inspired by the pitch-shifting discussions, I put up a piece that utilizes it extensively. It's a looped improv based on a piece of renaissance music. Full notes, along with which shifting techniques are used where, are on the page at http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679. I guess I should apologize for the length of the piece (about 22 minutes) - I just seem to be getting a bit long-winded these days. Thanks, Warren ------=_Part_73898_1618428.1228064600376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I noticed when I went to listen to Per's lovely music box piece on Ubetoo, that he was 11th most-popular based on listens in the last 24 hours. It doesn't take much on this fledgling service.

What do you all think about a concerted program to bring live loopers to the top of that list for a while? I'll listen to yours if you'll listen to mine? that way, maybe others outside the group will be exposed to more of it?

Anyway, inspired by the pitch-shifting discussions, I put up a piece that utilizes it extensively. It's a looped improv based on a piece of renaissance music. Full notes, along with which shifting techniques are used where, are on the page at http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6679.  I guess I should apologize for the length of the piece (about 22 minutes) - I just seem to be getting a bit long-winded these days.

Thanks,
Warren
------=_Part_73898_1618428.1228064600376-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 17:10:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BEF93BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: OT : bass preamp Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:10:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0117_01C9531F.59768180" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <8sF9FC.A.UNE.eksMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:10:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C9531F.59768180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael = ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some = electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not = have much info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to = buy? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp? thanks and best regards. Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 ------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C9531F.59768180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist = michael=20 ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some = electric=20 bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much = info=20 about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit = like bass=20 pod or a tube preamp?
 
thanks and best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
= www.myspace.com/erdemhel= vacioglu
*=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is = out on New=20 Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
www.newalbion.co= m/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A= /sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF= 8
------=_NextPart_000_0117_01C9531F.59768180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 17:17:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FBB23BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sf91QCx9LUJCfiycMc0aLEVMuQiXEcfVta5zSjrYXEU=; b=M3e5JZOCl7J8kK3rJrjrlN9HMScYYIu9DoZhjHfJ2UPfad9Rw31m3qe0xMbpO+zZa+ es4V5e/A3Iieq9JHeWkRyGuy8kb8HtTJOkzluDBRFSNQk9XBaUqHwr/ipe7WB5xgfMmz NKO/OLKEompvB5K0e1VMpbRfZ5dzjcKIWF47I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=szemqIOjk9jooEIgnI0Mo5AT5l+RvK2jLWmsZy/y1PnC1kcJ+6NUTwe1myUGO5TZba QaX9EH6CQ/cdOimltiVK0AtfReYVCH/XKQ5uJKmFJhkD4cT+j3PoFu6NQFO7+6IRUmLj o6Vs3P1pTgyFmYZ3o0v4BL0lJ2/BpdSVujX6s= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:17:47 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp In-Reply-To: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11334_9707741.1228065467466" References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:17:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11334_9707741.1228065467466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline why not give the ebs microbass II a try?portable, separate input for active & passive basses... also tech21,mxr,tonebone .. make little/portable bass preamps. .02 ra=FCl. 2008/11/30 Erdem Helvacioglu > hi, > > i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael > ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some elect= ric > bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much > info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a uni= t > like bass pod or a tube preamp? > > thanks and best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: > chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine > www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm > > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com ------=_Part_11334_9707741.1228065467466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline why not give the ebs microbass II a try?
portable, separate input for a= ctive & passive basses... also tech21,mxr,tonebone .. make little/porta= ble bass preamps.

.02

ra=FCl. 

2008/11/30 Erdem Helvaciogl= u <erdemhel@tnn.ne= t>
hi,
 
i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist micha= el=20 ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electri= c=20 bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much in= fo=20 about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit like = bass=20 pod or a tube preamp?
 
thanks and best regards.
 



--
The Playing Orchestra: = http://www.telefonica.net/we= b2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http= ://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com
------=_Part_11334_9707741.1228065467466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 17:51:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DE073BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/+8OEnBKO+7qKqUOFYoFKSCtTsQFGtzkSE2dyuHs0QI=; b=iOgke9OzTBwPoz3az2OSYDPNeZ/rINBDBuAwf9dKfPnN68AIW/PsX5AtuyrAKOgQ3H 5rcfBf12h3H9D149pwHUsngcYFhwfu40rc4ji2m4vn3tfzNiKz+q8Q3/wcLqQORb12tB rEaWPNWn2raYnbQPSrfza+4+21x4ETEruuqDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=p5vc+7MgBRSzumj3T+BNQm7TNtzZ8XjMZ/RJ5J6VDl0eO4u6Dg9Dfq/Pi7zPrMjYmE hi9jmV/jFV49O8rr5puo2S02bNBMqRQQppxwjYa7MGoBRG1yjnNvgupSh7Mnah4V1YXp CRN2NqvmYOUBRMzNkrZt4L/iJKOr51lSPHFZE= Message-ID: <913728d60811300951ldcd9eccm4503f431abb64553@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51:22 -0600 From: "Charlie Milkey" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_79376_26912279.1228067482996" References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:51:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_79376_26912279.1228067482996 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I like the EBS microbass II a lot for bass purposes--I also suggest the tec= h 21 sansamp RPM, which is a great preamp for just about any instrument, so even if bass isn't your main instrument, you could still use it on lots of other instruments as well. I also would suggest checking out channel strips--I know a lot of bass players who will use channel strips like the ART pro channel for live and studio purposes. Charlie On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:17 AM, Raul Bonell wrote= : > why not give the ebs microbass II a try?portable, separate input for > active & passive basses... also tech21,mxr,tonebone .. make little/portab= le > bass preamps. > > .02 > > ra=FCl. > > 2008/11/30 Erdem Helvacioglu > > hi, >> >> i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael >> ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some elec= tric >> bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much >> info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a un= it >> like bass pod or a tube preamp? >> >> thanks and best regards. >> >> Erdem Helvacioglu >> www.erdemhelvacioglu.com >> www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: >> chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine >> www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm >> >> www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-= 1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 >> > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > TPO at Jamendo: http://www.jamendo.com > ------=_Part_79376_26912279.1228067482996 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I like the EBS microbass II a lot for bass purposes--I also suggest the tec= h 21 sansamp RPM, which is a great preamp for just about any instrument, so= even if bass isn't your main instrument, you could still use it on lot= s of other instruments as well.
I also would suggest checking out channel strips--I know a lot of bass play= ers who will use channel strips like the ART pro channel for live and studi= o purposes.

Charlie

On Sun, Nov 30= , 2008 at 11:17 AM, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com> wrote:
why not give the = ebs microbass II a try?
portable, separate input for active & passi= ve basses... also tech21,mxr,tonebone .. make little/portable bass preamps.=

.02

ra=FCl. 

2008/11/30 Erdem Helvaciogl= u <erdemhel@tnn.net>
hi,
 
i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist micha= el=20 ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electri= c=20 bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much in= fo=20 about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit like = bass=20 pod or a tube preamp?
 
thanks and best regards.
 



--
The Playing= Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collectiv= e.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra
TPO at Jame= ndo: http://www.jamend= o.com

------=_Part_79376_26912279.1228067482996-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 18:24:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E70BD3BE7B; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6493A74D-AA70-4804-9709-C954139C9066@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300509h7190818v271a7b1b8220a50e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-654168766 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:24:31 -0800 References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> <66f9cc1e0811300509h7190818v271a7b1b8220a50e@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:24:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-654168766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice one Per. I felt like I was in Bali! Very sweet R On Nov 30, 2008, at 5:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > No, but Rick Walker knows. Maybe he wants to share the secret with > the list? > > Per > > - Music Box Shredder's Delight - > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jeff Lomas > wrote: >> Nice, Per. Do you know where one can find these music boxes? >> >> -j >> On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Per Boysen >> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I just want to share this piece of noise I created: >>> >>> http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 >>> >>> >>> About the song: >>> Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that >>> you >>> can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such >>> music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we >>> should >>> create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. >>> >>> Equipment: >>> The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded >>> with a >>> microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music >>> box recording is used as source material for further sound >>> processing >>> in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about >>> playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) >>> >>> -- >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> www.myspace.com/perboysen >>> www.stockholm-athens.com >>> > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-3-654168766 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice one Per.  I felt like = I was in Bali! Very sweet

R
On Nov 30, = 2008, at 5:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

No, = but Rick Walker knows. Maybe he wants to share the secret with the = list?

Per

- Music Box Shredder's Delight -


On = Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Jeff Lomas <jeff.lomas@gmail.com> = wrote:
Nice, Per.  Do you know where = one can find these music boxes?

-j
On Sun, Nov = 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> = wrote:
Hi,

I just want to share this piece = of noise I created:

http://www.ubet= oo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=3D6550


About the = song:
Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music = box that you
can compose for by punching = holes into a paper ribbon. He gave = such
music boxes to some other people as well and suggested = that we should
create a piece of music each, = only using this toy music box.

Equipment:
The tiny toy music box seen on = the cover art picture. Recorded with = a
microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only = the music
box recording is used as source = material for further sound = processing
in Logic. You could say that = this piece of music is as much = about
playing Logic as about playing that music box = ;-)

--
Greetings from = Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)
www.myspace.com/perboysen
www.stockholm-athens.com
<= /blockquote>


<= br>
RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=




= --Apple-Mail-3-654168766-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 18:33:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A8833BE7B; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <09A56244-15D6-46BD-AA3A-27F2D0CECE34@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-654715370 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:33:38 -0800 References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:33:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-654715370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The bass pre amp most widely used in studios is the Avalon U5. You can see it here: http://vintageking.com/Avalon-U5 In the $500 ball park. It's very very nice. RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > hi, > > i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist > michael ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to > add some electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass > preamp. do not have much info about rack bass preamps. what would > you suggest for me to buy? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp? > > thanks and best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: > chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine > www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-4-654715370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The bass pre amp most widely = used in studios is the Avalon U5.  You can see it = here:


In the $500 ball park.  It's very = very nice.

RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=

On Nov 30, 2008, at = 9:10 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:

hi,
 
i have just = recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael ward = bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electric = bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much = info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a = unit like bass pod or a tube preamp?
 
thanks = and best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
<= a = href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu">www.myspace.com/erdemhelv= acioglu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered = Realities" album is out on New Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the = year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine
www.newalbion.com= /NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D= 8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8

RICHARD SALES
<= font class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#908E38">www.richardsales.com
=



=

= --Apple-Mail-4-654715370-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 18:44:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB3F3BE7B; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4932DF1D.9090306@mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:44:45 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> <09A56244-15D6-46BD-AA3A-27F2D0CECE34@glasswing.com> In-Reply-To: <09A56244-15D6-46BD-AA3A-27F2D0CECE34@glasswing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:44:57 +0000 (UTC) If I could buy any one piece of gear, it'd be this direct box. I recorded the last Chinapainting record direct from the piezo pickup on my nylon-string through one of these and couldn't believe how nice it sounded. We never even used the mic signal. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > The bass pre amp most widely used in studios is the Avalon U5. You > can see it here: > > http://vintageking.com/Avalon-U5 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 18:49:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 804423BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 421 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:49:59 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_17c63baf-fd9f-4173-a684-0ea185eb09ec_" X-Originating-IP: [69.249.48.154] From: David Grego To: Subject: RE: OT : bass preamp Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:40:33 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2008 18:40:33.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[206E6D20:01C9531B] Resent-Message-ID: <04Sk1C.A.vYH.XBuMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:49:59 +0000 (UTC) --_17c63baf-fd9f-4173-a684-0ea185eb09ec_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can fool a lot of people with the Pod=2C but if you are really listenin= g to the SONIC SERIOUSNESS/Lay of the sound sculpted landscape=2C you shoul= d consider any of the Alembic preamps. I also like the Aguilar 680. I have = and use them all. Depending on what I have to accomplish=2C I almost always= run two channels to record the bass. One is direct=2C the other through a = mic-ed tube bass amp. A little compression to taste adds the right ingredie= nts for the savvy ear. That is all. Enjoy. David Grego From: erdemhel@tnn.n= etTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: OT : bass preampDate: Sun= =2C 30 Nov 2008 19:10:46 +0200 hi=2C =20 i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael=20 ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electri= c=20 bass parts. at the moment=2C i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much = info=20 about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit like = bass=20 pod or a tube preamp? =20 thanks and best regards. =20 Erdem Helvaciogluwww.erdemhelvacioglu.comwww.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu*= =20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *"Altered Realities" album is out on Ne= w=20 Albion Records:chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazinewww.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htmwww.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-= Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bb= s_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_acce= ss_112008= --_17c63baf-fd9f-4173-a684-0ea185eb09ec_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can fool a lot of people with the Pod=2C but if you are really listenin= g to the SONIC SERIOUSNESS/Lay of the sound sculpted landscape=2C you shoul= d consider any of the Alembic preamps. I also like the Aguilar 680. I have = and use them all. Depending on what I have to accomplish=2C I almost always= run two channels to record the bass. One is direct=2C the other through a = mic-ed tube bass amp. A little compression to taste adds the right ingredie= nts for the savvy ear. That is all. Enjoy.=A0

David Greg= o=A0

From: erdemhel@tnn.net
To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT : bass preamp
Date: Sun=2C 30 = Nov 2008 19:10:46 +0200

hi=2C
=A0
i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist micha= el=20 ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electri= c=20 bass parts. at the moment=2C i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much = info=20 about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit like = bass=20 pod or a tube preamp?
=A0
thanks and best regards.
=A0
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.e= rdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
*=20 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is out o= n New=20 Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz=20 Magazine
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Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live = Hotmail. Sign up today. = --_17c63baf-fd9f-4173-a684-0ea185eb09ec_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 19:21:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 664643BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=hrbNIoxsuWWCiUoRf+SYYgjYV0EA4Ud4EkFiNnVhef91RwzDud0kCt1w4yADKIblx3lKVqyIaHewz10MXWibv08hM/4A7XGTW2tZIrQRyQbI1vCqu6X3cuTGVXcaO+vOeHgrUUaDdA7rZ2sHEDbSODtwXvtf2M1jAb9xkDKSbIs=; X-YMail-OSG: gEmfiFIVM1kv8TKY7owfkQWtQLQESgVzNh27WksaczN9LYNbdwAX98guMqDuEap_06MnSrDbTGAQ4OVstd_jbqHuydgCIUi4m9riZBQ2YTcjKDZGgbbAtIEofwb3gI.0CSOlSoAgBK7FjbLbDfytJIMGnktDYm7CRX1rJgnGjB1bJUEAhsQ5_WGDnq4- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.32 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> <09A56244-15D6-46BD-AA3A-27F2D0CECE34@glasswing.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: George Ludwig Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-33192693-1228072897=:73478" Message-ID: <644615.73478.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4-jL6B.A.tY.CfuMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) --0-33192693-1228072897=:73478 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On the topic of DI's, I was going to suggest the Universal Audio Solo/610 t= ube mic pre/DI. http://www.uaudio.com/products/hardware/solo610/index.html= =A0The advantage here is that you can dial in some tube distortion if tou w= ant it. Plus, it's a very nice mic pre. The sound is gorgeous. I've got one= , and when I record bass, it's what I use. A little pricer than the U5.=0A= =0AAlso, there is the Demeter VTDB-2B tube direct box. http://demeteramps.c= om/products/directboxes/vtdb2b.html=A0I have the stereo version. It's what = I plug my direct guitar signal in for looping, but it's great for bass as w= ell. The price is roughly on par with the U5.=0A=0AI've never used the U5, = but I'm sure it's great. I used to have an Avalon VT737, which I used as a = bass DI. Unfortunately, I had to sell it about 10 years ago when I was shor= t on rent one month. I was totally in love with the DI sound, between the t= ube pre and the opto compressor, I was in heaven. It's pricey, but you can = find a used one for under 1500. You don't need the sp or Mercenary editions= . An original version will do.=0A=0AI'm sure the U5 is awesome. I just happ= en to prefer the tube option. :)=0A=0A-George=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A_________= _______________________=0AFrom: RICHARD SALES =0ATo:= Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=0ASent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:3= 3:38 AM=0ASubject: Re: OT : bass preamp=0A=0AThe bass pre amp most widely u= sed in studios is the Avalon U5. =A0You can see it here: =0A=0Ahttp://vinta= geking.com/Avalon-U5=0A=0AIn the $500 ball park. =A0It's very very nice. = =0A=0ARICHARD SALES=0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww.richardsales.com=0Awww.hayley= sales.com=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 30, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:=0A= =0Ahi,=0A=0Ai have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionis= t michael ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add so= me electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not = have much info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to bu= y? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp?=0A=0Athanks and best regards.=0A= =0AErdem Helvacioglu=0Awww.erdemhelvacioglu.com=0Awww.myspace.com/erdemhelv= acioglu=0A* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *=0A"Altered Realities" alb= um is out on New Albion Records:=0Achosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All= About Jazz Magazine=0Awww.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm=0Awww.amazo= n.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161= 162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8=0A=0ARICHARD SALES= =0Awww.glasswing.com=0Awww.richardsales.com=0Awww.hayleysales.com=0A=0A=0A = --0-33192693-1228072897=:73478 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On the topic of DI's, I was going to suggest the Universal Audio Solo/610 tube mic pre/DI. http://www.uaudio.com/products/hardware/solo610/index.html The advantage here is that you can dial in some tube distortion if tou want it. Plus, it's a very nice mic pre. The sound is gorgeous. I've got one, and when I record bass, it's what I use. A little pricer than the U5.
 
Also, there is the Demeter VTDB-2B tube direct box. http://demeteramps.com/products/directboxes/vtdb2b.html I have the stereo version. It's what I plug my direct guitar signal in for looping, but it's great for bass as well. The price is roughly on par with the U5.
 
I've never used the U5, but I'm sure it's great. I used to have an Avalon VT737, which I used as a bass DI. Unfortunately, I had to sell it about 10 years ago when I was short on rent one month. I was totally in love with the DI sound, between the tube pre and the opto compressor, I was in heaven. It's pricey, but you can find a used one for under 1500. You don't need the sp or Mercenary editions. An original version will do.
 
I'm sure the U5 is awesome. I just happen to prefer the tube option. :)
 
-George

 

From: RICHARD SALES <richard@glasswing.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:33:38 AM
Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp

The bass pre amp most widely used in studios is the Avalon U5.  You can see it here:


In the $500 ball park.  It's very very nice.

RICHARD SALES
On Nov 30, 2008, at 9:10 AM, Erdem Helvacioglu wrote:

hi,
 
i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp?
 
thanks and best regards.
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine
www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8



--0-33192693-1228072897=:73478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 19:28:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 923F63BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:28:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=A1NzJVj4AAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=pAjkrSRoAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=bVtRyO6aGU7XrLnNuFEA:9 a=T9rCLSHiAB4br8e5K4UXkKmSpI8A:4 a=qd0b2T3g1E0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 a=DPdd6oeZAAAA:8 a=WcMSXfudnB1J7RlHp9wA:9 a=dSGDl3SPOgcZl7qk8CsA:7 a=8eRQR-kWJLn1XOY30WqWS90LKpgA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-658005008 Message-Id: <5B817951-E97F-4614-8AEE-83E509E87536@comcast.net> From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:28:28 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:28:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-658005008 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Almost all of the high end bass pre's are extremely nice. Set flat, they sound remarkably similar. Most players blindfolded can't tell the difference. Where they begin to get personality is when eq is applied. That said, The sweetest eq, imho, is either the Demeter or the Alembic. The Aguilar stuff is really sweet too. My favorite is the out of production Demeter. Its a 1.5 rack unit. If you find one of those, grab it. On Nov 30, 2008, at 1:40 PM, David Grego wrote: > You can fool a lot of people with the Pod, but if you are really > listening to the SONIC SERIOUSNESS/Lay of the sound sculpted > landscape, you should consider any of the Alembic preamps. I also > like the Aguilar 680. I have and use them all. Depending on what I > have to accomplish, I almost always run two channels to record the > bass. One is direct, the other through a mic-ed tube bass amp. A > little compression to taste adds the right ingredients for the > savvy ear. That is all. Enjoy. > > David Grego > > From: erdemhel@tnn.net > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: OT : bass preamp > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:10:46 +0200 > > hi, > > i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist > michael ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to > add some electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass > preamp. do not have much info about rack bass preamps. what would > you suggest for me to buy? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp? > > thanks and best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: > chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine > www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/ > sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 > > Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. > Sign up today. --Apple-Mail-1-658005008 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Almost all of the high end bass = pre's are extremely nice. Set flat, they sound remarkably similar. Most = players blindfolded can't tell the difference. Where they begin to get = personality is when eq is applied. That said, The sweetest eq, imho, is = either the Demeter or the Alembic. The Aguilar stuff is really sweet = too.=A0
My favorite is the out of production Demeter. Its a 1.5 rack = unit. If you find one of those, grab it.=A0
On Nov 30, = 2008, at 1:40 PM, David Grego wrote:

You can fool a lot of people with = the Pod, but if you are really listening to the SONIC SERIOUSNESS/Lay of = the sound sculpted landscape, you should consider any of the Alembic = preamps. I also like the Aguilar 680. I have and use them all. Depending = on what I have to accomplish, I almost always run two channels to record = the bass. One is direct, the other through a mic-ed tube bass amp. A = little compression to taste adds the right ingredients for the savvy = ear. That is all. Enjoy.=A0

David Grego=A0

From: erdemhel@tnn.net
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: OT : bass preamp
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 = 19:10:46 +0200

hi,
=A0
i have just = recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael ward = bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some electric = bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not have much = info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to buy? a = unit like bass pod or a tube preamp?
=A0
thanks and = best regards.
=A0
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
<= a = href=3D"http://www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu">www.myspace.com/erdemhelv= acioglu
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
"Altered = Realities" album is out on New Albion Records:
chosen as"Album of the = year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine
www.newalbion.com= /NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D= 8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8

Access your email online and on the go with Windows = Live Hotmail.=A0Sign up = today.

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= --_f0879a70-66a9-43f1-b94d-351876dd13d9_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 20:16:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B62CE3BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f57c77c7-4a84-4aa8-912c-1d791039e2b2_" X-Originating-IP: [67.95.203.66] From: samba - To: Subject: Moronic question Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:16:14 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20081130151039.0C9623BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20081130151039.0C9623BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Nov 2008 20:16:14.0987 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EEA95B0:01C95328] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:16:16 +0000 (UTC) --_f57c77c7-4a84-4aa8-912c-1d791039e2b2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 ..." sampling involves the use > of "real" sounds while synthesis=2C synthetic ones" =20 Is a human doing bird calls synthesizing? (I spent some time around a tame= cougar who would do very good bird calls trying to lure the birds closer) I would say anything stored as digital media is synthetic =2Cbut as soon = as it is turned into audio=20 =2Cwhich can be heard with real ears=2Cit at that moment becomes real soun= d.=20 As for no one managing to replicate acoustic sources=2Cmany have done so = =2Cbut not necessarly at a level of precision=20 satisfying to lovers of acoustic instruments. I've found Korg physical mo= deling of some acoustic instruments to be=20 pretty convincing for section/support=2Cnot for solos. Put a real horn as = top voice w/ the synthetic/sampled section breath through the mouth in sync with the parts while playing and it works pretty well.Wo= n't necessarily stand up to microscopic analysis=2Cbut heard in a mix=2C sounds like a real horn section A significant factor is that people playing sampled or synthetic version= s of acoustic instruments on a keyboard don't get the=20 expressive qualities of the instrument no matter how convincing the timbre= . Playing a marimba or vibes sample with one=20 finger of each hand gets much closer to the feel of two mallets than you = can with one hand playing the same part. I think it's much fu to do stuff the 'real instrument would never do. =20 --_f57c77c7-4a84-4aa8-912c-1d791039e2b2_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  =3B =3B 
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= --_f57c77c7-4a84-4aa8-912c-1d791039e2b2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 20:23:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF043BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:23:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E3ai_MCfobJqvlBOQEEA:9 a=ltMFULiLi0CZ5gPZJJ9hK27Fy-8A:4 a=uL3qOuNcMWcA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: <20081130151039.0C9623BE84@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77C6F83D-2D88-47B3-8B51-B5199BACCF46@comcast.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Moronic question Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:23:05 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:23:09 +0000 (UTC) How can any question that breeds this much over-analysis be moronic? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 20:38:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 015743BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:38:17 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081130203817.159670@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/HPgQOrJPHRsJFsLf8tH8x9B8M5uAqmooKB1zSWE AfBbh5VlUmSNo/NKUd9U/GzMxQo6bReDMxhQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: jcsLcWkLYW0tL81ommdp5Ap8amthc5vW X-FuHaFi: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:38:20 +0000 (UTC) absolutely beautiful, Per! B. -- Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 21:09:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4A023BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; d=embarqmail.com; s=s012408; c=relaxed/simple; q=dns/txt; i=@embarqmail.com; t=1228072151; h=From:Subject:Date:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=exeM2dBzIDbE8Sr7uJAbpp7D+yk=; b=S0VRiOMvM5soSfC28yNXTGX6dZjGsaM8p735kLZcC/lNFOrs8+K1lxUvgvXU2L4G FsmWisWMvIj26i6oFjHLsjjrFRF9vIqGzpea/KN7PhE1oZggSoO3DTO9f0BKAs3N; X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=TCxKCl5tAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=qhI_IssiaJzudHepFjMA:9 a=7q-ETpyXi_nqAhAnh4oA:7 a=wCkq8ksj4hcZqYYLeb-yH5Y3xoQA:4 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp03.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=jeff_d@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Message-ID: <002d01c9531f$2d7195c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> <09A56244-15D6-46BD-AA3A-27F2D0CECE34@glasswing.com> <4932DF1D.9090306@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:09:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:09:50 +0000 (UTC) I have been just running my rig into a mixer from there it goes to my computer and Audacity. The sound is ok. But then I really don't have anything to compare it with lately. Would a direct box improve the quality? Would it have to be an expensive one or would a 40.00 Behringer do it? I'm always looking for a little extra something. If not what would be the best way to interface with the computer. Of course I even run my Oud through the whole chain of fx and loopers. I have never run anything direct exactly I guess.. Seeking enlightenment, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp > If I could buy any one piece of gear, it'd be this direct box. I > recorded the last Chinapainting record direct from the piezo pickup on > my nylon-string through one of these and couldn't believe how nice it > sounded. We never even used the mic signal. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> The bass pre amp most widely used in studios is the Avalon U5. You >> can see it here: >> >> http://vintageking.com/Avalon-U5 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 21:10:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8496B3BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Geo-Loc ... follow-up Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:10:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <6reG5C.A.8sD.NFwMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:10:37 +0000 (UTC) Dennis, I suppose the 1,210 mile, 18 hour and 49 minute, driving time puts Medford, Oregon out of the running. What was it you had in mind? Ted On Nov 30, 2008, at 6:31 AM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Okay, so I got one response and you're right, Stefean, BC is a bit > more than 300 miles from Laramie, Wyoming (but hell, I grew up in > Texas, so what's a little drive for a road trip ... right?). > > So here's the question again, as all the folks in the US creep out > from under the heavy hand of tryptophan and prepare fro the new week: > > Who on the list is an active looper, living in Colorado, Montana, > Idaho, Nebraska, South Dakota, or Utah? > > This isn't an academic question, but it will have a "quality of life" > impact on a decision that is looming in the very near future. > > Best to everyone from the Home of Turkey for November, > > Dennis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 21:11:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8080E3BE7F; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <493188F8.6070009@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:11:14 -0300 References: <932252.77881.qm@web53010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <493188F8.6070009@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:11:39 +0000 (UTC) On 29 Nov 2008, at 15:24, andy butler wrote: > > > Stephen Scott wrote: >>> with the following setting >>> AutoRecord=Off >>> LoopCopy = ti (time) >>> SwitchQuant = Off >>> >>> set tempo >>> >>> record loop 1, let it run >>> >>> then to record loop 2 hit Next, >>> and when you have enough cycles hit Rec. >>> Then toggle between the loops with Next. >> OK Andy, I tried this exactly as suggested. I've set the tempo to >> 120bpm, (btw 8th/Cycles=8, so that the display reads 2.0 for the >> cycle length). What happens is that the first loop records just >> fine for as long as I need. When I switch to Next Loop, the >> display shows me that it's on loop2 (OK), the red LED counts time >> as usual (OK) and the green cycle LED counts up as I think it >> should (ie, it increments by one every 2 seconds). BUT when I >> press RECORD, the display stops at, say, 3.6 or 5.4, ie NOT a >> multiple of 2 as expected. >> This is now happening consistently (previously I thought I was >> getting it work OK sometimes, so consistency is good anyway). >> Also, previously, even when it was working OK, I'd save the preset >> parameter, but when I came back it to it later, it wouldn't work. >> > > sorry, you're quite right, > end the second recording with Insert and all will work fine. > > Otherwise that's an Unrounded ending to the record. > > > Here exposed the perils of an early morning email session :-) > > > I'll CC this to Matthias, it's an interesting point. > This is rather confusing behaviour for a feature that's supposed to > make things easy, hitting Insert is hardly intuitive. You are right, Andy! especially since some users might not even install the Insert button Sorry Stephan! I read through these mails and did not see the problem myself... unfortunately I cannot fix this for the EDP, but I try for its emulation ;-) If we make ending with Record rounded, we will loose an option though: Now you can set to TimeCopy and if you spontaneously want to add a loop with a different timing, just end that one with Record, isn't that interesting? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 22:28:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3AF13BE80; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 78792 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:28:30 UTC Message-Id: <24843088-5999-4218-86E5-A96065183D1E@glasswing.com> From: RICHARD SALES To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20081130203817.159670@gmx.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-668803849 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" X-Priority: 3 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:28:26 -0800 References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> <20081130203817.159670@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:28:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-668803849 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we should change his name to Purr... On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > absolutely beautiful, Per! > B. > > -- =20 > Sensationsangebot nur bis 30.11: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL > f=FCr nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?=20 > ac=3DOM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a > RICHARD SALES www.glasswing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-1-668803849 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable we should change his name to = Purr...

On Nov 30, 2008, at 12:38 PM, Buzap Buzap = wrote:

absolutely beautiful, Per!
B.

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= --Apple-Mail-1-668803849-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 22:36:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCFB13BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <49331555.9070706@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:36:05 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT : bass preamp References: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> In-Reply-To: <011a01c9530e$9610c9e0$0500000a@ERDEMOLD> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9rfMz.A.MfG.tVxMJB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Erdem Helvacioglu wrote: > hi, > > i have just recorded 2 new albums with the american accordionist michael > ward bergeman in london. for one of these albums i need to add some > electric bass parts. at the moment, i do not have a bass preamp. do not > have much info about rack bass preamps. what would you suggest for me to > buy? a unit like bass pod or a tube preamp? > > thanks and best regards. > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > "Altered Realities" album is out on New Albion Records: > chosen as"Album of the year 2007" by All About Jazz Magazine > www.newalbion.com/NA_CDS/NA131/NA131.htm > > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 > Track down an ADA MB-1 rack preamp and do the input opamp + tube plate voltage mod (can be found on adadepot.com/forums). -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 22:38:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674803BE7E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:38:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=YQ66o708DCzT0Li0tuQwxcoAzZfgVOd4sJpGsiqqB84kEOjFzUbjPRw9kivtY9S4AM9zxqy4KbVRAfI+4M5x5kuJ+V0xSpUXI4QK/ULvCiQhuZE6e9CyJ0byPUCXLsF7utrr9MrZwI2osS3DUf8SlNnX+KZl5tYMGxoPKDAvy6Y=; X-YMail-OSG: rLeHwjIVM1lrgPt4Li8lDCOirSHvMwKBIkbX9z_ff9eKPPEOjjmdt8TDkq7PnVmTmitLcnmm.0cRQAPTNXC8qiqXMHNeltaEsMML1IUFVgpFRXFB6.n0mIIxL3XUwEX95l3iwPlqfEHbENLReisWilo_KJcp2xmXyjKVA5g- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Scott Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP: Issues with TempoSelect when MoreLoops=2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <622895.26477.qm@web53008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:38:20 +0000 (UTC) > If we make ending with Record rounded, we will loose an > option though: > Now you can set to TimeCopy and if you spontaneously want > to add a loop with a different timing, just end that one > with Record, isn't that interesting? :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 23:10:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 440FD3BE84; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=oY/0lbanFXvvFeZ8sojePlhKVV1ReBcGRqzamrUxZB8=; b=m38lUJx8M7tPgQU0wc9v3VxLUALsj3UaAh6T5Nq3j7gSTqK9lRTFMH7n5t7jB5ckW2 Rx8fsxlAqd0cUcaFmy6LON+lU5x+czRzz5rziH9VYc4GB1MTrjK8XXViALMBt5dn7Rra C6Q57SLROzpYJse+nFlBqMTi8IvFJ05sRCDMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=U0Qxjiv6GnQLKcDsuUUW0LJxhv8JUPi9hFQDiKy2YFnAC4CfyW1dUKuchcmVZ8ZtBO v+/GEOZf144uKFAiY5PYkkvhqfaesa+IVmo2Nh4kiqZeItZ9jr9Q6jAxp9O0lGSVCtXg tYufc9f0jRl98uKQXLkVZm94LkjZ9/ccUVQMk= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0811301510u30044298y1745de5ccdff6a1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 00:10:43 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Another piece uploaded for sharing: "70.000 Years Ago" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:10:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Just uploaded a fresh live looping piece here: http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 This is a flute improvisation with the typical speed-shift-by-pedals improvisation style for creating chord changes by re-pitching the loop while playing over it (and even overdubbing into it). If you hear something that reminds of the Eventide effect devices it is the SoundToys Native plug-ins. I really love them! The bizarre scratchy noise sound is the flute played through MainStage's (and Logic's, they share the same plug-ins) vocoder plug-in. 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GET IN TOUCH WITH THE CLAIMS OFFICER THROUGH PRIVATE EMAIL; toyota_olebjorn_tellefsen@hotmail.com REGARDS Mr.TEDDY LEE LOTTERY MANAGER TOYOTA MOTOR SALES, UNITED KINGDOM, INC. 2008 TOYOTA PRIVACY LEGAL <<2008 Toyota Car Promotion Award>> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 23:34:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E8503BE82; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:34:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:34:57 +0000 (UTC) I like this one a lot Per. On Nov 30, 2008, at 4:55 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I just want to share this piece of noise I created: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Nov 30 23:35:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBE873BE80; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <60489.72.22.1228088136.squirrel@www.andredonawa.com> In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0811300455k561c270arfedae642629a6127@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:35:36 -0400 (AST) Subject: Re: New recorded piece uploaded for sharing: "Yellow Music Box" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Donawa?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/85966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant Stuff Per. Love this piece. I've been trying something similar with bass harmonics, but I find it difficult to keep it interesting when I perform live. I really like the organic feel. Andre Donawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa On Sun, November 30, 2008 8:55 am, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > I just want to share this piece of noise I created: > > http://www.ubetoo.com/Artist.taf?_ArtistId=6550 > > > About the song: > Back in 2007 my friend Rick Walker gave me this toy music box that you > can compose for by punching holes into a paper ribbon. He gave such > music boxes to some other people as well and suggested that we should > create a piece of music each, only using this toy music box. > > Equipment: > The tiny toy music box seen on the cover art picture. Recorded with a > microphone into Logic Audio Pro running on a laptop. Only the music > box recording is used as source material for further sound processing > in Logic. You could say that this piece of music is as much about > playing Logic as about playing that music box ;-) > > -- > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.myspace.com/perboysen > www.stockholm-athens.com > > Andre Donawa http://www.andredonawa.com http://cdbaby.com/all/andredonawa http://www.myspace.com/andredonawa