From judithjohnson06@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 01:21:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:21:40 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.148]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6837F3BEAC; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W2 ([65.54.250.102]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:16:35 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Judith Johnson Subject: DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:16:34 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 01:16:35.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0AEAF80:01C833B7] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE TRUTH AND THE= TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO DO W= HAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND IN THE SIG= HT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=20 I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR IN EG= YPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED FOR T= WENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL RIOT= S IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS IN = THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.=20 SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBAND WAS ALIVE = HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LONDON UKK AND N= OW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FORWARD TO RECE= IVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOMEBODY TO ECEI= VEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITION AT HAND. I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING T= REATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY TO TALK AND = MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.IT IS MY LAST= WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVERY YEAR DISTRI= BUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, AS SOON AS THE= MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE 60% WILL BE = FOR THE WORK OF GOD.I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALOT= OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE AND THE HOMELESS, = AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU RECEIVE. WITH GOD AL= L THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHALL GIVE YOU THE C= ONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DEPOSITED. 1YOUR NA= ME2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN3.PRESENT ADDRESS4.SEX5.DATE ! OF BIRTH 6.AGE 7.OCCUPA= TION 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER /CELL I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS= .JUDITH JOHNSONjudithjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk =20 _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_C= PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007= --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST,

 
IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE = TRUTH AND THE TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE= THAN TO DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE A= ND IN THE SIGHT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=
 

I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR I= N EGYPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED F= OR TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL = RIOTS IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS= IN THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.
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SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBA= ND WAS ALIVE HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LON= DON UKK AND NOW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FO= RWARD TO RECEIVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOM= EBODY TO ECEIVEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITI= ON AT HAND.

 
I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN= UNDERGOING TREATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY= TO TALK AND MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.= IT IS MY LAST WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVER= Y YEAR DISTRIBUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, A= S SOON AS THE MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE= 60% WILL BE FOR THE WORK OF GOD.
I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW TH= AT THERE ARE ALOT OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE A= ND THE HOMELESS, AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU REC= EIVE. WITH GOD ALL THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHA= LL GIVE YOU THE CONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DE= POSITED.
 
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2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
3.PRESENT ADDRES= S
4.SEX
5.DATE ! OF BIRTH
6.AGE
7.OCCUPATION
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I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.
YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS.JUDITH JOHNSON
judi= thjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk

 

Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windo= ws Live. Power up! = --_3c9cd09c-609e-431b-9b6a-925c55967d27_-- From judithjohnson06@hotmail.com Sat Dec 1 01:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BECF33BEAC; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W13 ([65.54.250.113]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:19:20 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_" X-Originating-IP: [195.225.62.68] Reply-To: From: Judith Johnson Subject: DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 20:19:20 -0500 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 01:19:20.0599 (UTC) FILETIME=[33324270:01C833B8] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST, IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE TRUTH AND THE= TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE THAN TO DO W= HAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE AND IN THE SIG= HT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=20 I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR IN EG= YPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED FOR T= WENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL RIOT= S IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS IN = THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.=20 SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBAND WAS ALIVE = HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LONDON UKK AND N= OW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FORWARD TO RECE= IVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOMEBODY TO ECEI= VEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITION AT HAND. I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN UNDERGOING T= REATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY TO TALK AND = MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.IT IS MY LAST= WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVERY YEAR DISTRI= BUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, AS SOON AS THE= MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE 60% WILL BE = FOR THE WORK OF GOD.I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE ALOT= OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE AND THE HOMELESS, = AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU RECEIVE. WITH GOD AL= L THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHALL GIVE YOU THE C= ONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DEPOSITED. 1YOUR NA= ME2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN3.PRESENT ADDRESS4.SEX5.DATE ! OF BIRTH 6.AGE 7.OCCUPA= TION 8.TELEPHONE NUMBER /CELL I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.YOURS IN CHRIST,MRS= .JUDITH JOHNSONjudithjohnson901@yahoo.co.uk =20 _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_1120= 07= --_4db3b45a-e7fa-4d93-bc6a-6549644c2d75_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable DEAR BELOVED IN CHRIST,

 
IT IS BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT I RECEIVED CHRIST,KNOWING THE = TRUTH AND THE TRUTH HAVE SET ME FREE.HAVING KNOWN THE TRUTH I HAD NO CHOICE= THAN TO DO WHAT IS LAWFUL AND RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD FOR ETERNAL LIFE A= ND IN THE SIGHT OF MAN FOR WITNESS OF GOD=B4S MERCY AND GLORY UPON MY LIFE.=
 

I AM JUDITH JOHNSON. I AM MARRIED TO DR.NICOLAS JOHNSON, A CONTRACTOR I= N EGYPT FOR TWENTY YEARS BEFORE HE DIED IN THE YEAR 2001. WE WERE MARRIED F= OR TWENTY-SEVEN YEARS WITHOUT A CHILD, HE DIED DURING ONE OF THE POLITICAL = RIOTS IN EGYPT. HE WAS HELD HOSTAGE AND SLAIN TO DEATH BY PROTESTING YOUTHS= IN THE REGION BEFORE HIS DEATH WE WERE BOTH BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS.
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SINCE HIS DEATH I DECIDED NOT TO RE-MARRY. WHEN MY LATE HUSBA= ND WAS ALIVE HE DEPOSITED THE SUM OF (USD9.8MILLION) WITH A BANK IN THE LON= DON UKK AND NOW THE MANAGEMENT OF THE BANK HAVE JUST INFORMED ME TO COME FO= RWARD TO RECEIVE THE MONEY OR RATHER ISSUE A LETTER OF AUTHORISATION TO SOM= EBODY TO ECEIVEIT ON MY BEHALF IF I CAN NOT COME OVER BECAUSE OF MY CONDITI= ON AT HAND.

 
I AM PRESENTLY WITH MY LAPTOP IN A HOSPITAL WHERE I HAVE BEEN= UNDERGOING TREATMENT FOR CANCER OF THE LUNGS, I HAVE SINCE LOST MY ABILITY= TO TALK AND MY DOCTORS HAVE TOLD ME THAT I HAVE ONLY A FEW MONTHS TO LIVE.= IT IS MY LAST WISH TO SEE THAT THIS MONEY IS INVESTED AND AT THE END OFEVER= Y YEAR DISTRIBUTED AMONG CHARITY ORGANISATION. AND FOR YOUR COMPENSATION, A= S SOON AS THE MONEY ENTERS YOUR ACCOUNT TAKE 40% OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT, WHILE= 60% WILL BE FOR THE WORK OF GOD.
I TOOK THIS DECISION BECAUSE I KNOW TH= AT THERE ARE ALOT OF POOR PEOPLE SUFFERING FROM DIFFERENT KIND OF DISEASE A= ND THE HOMELESS, AND I BELIEVE THE MORE YOU GIVE THE MORE BLESSINGS YOU REC= EIVE. WITH GOD ALL THINGS AREPOSSIBLE AS SOON AS I RECEIVE YOUR REPLY I SHA= LL GIVE YOU THE CONTACT OF THE BANK IN LONDON UK WHERE THE MONEY IS BEEN DE= POSITED.
 
1YOUR NAME
2.COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
3.PRESENT ADDRES= S
4.SEX
5.DATE ! OF BIRTH
6.AGE
7.OCCUPATION
8.TELEPHONE = NUMBER /CELL
 
I AWAIT YOUR URGENT REPLY.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 10:50:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4671F3BEB0; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=06dr3M75ykHzNbggIoyjMxem4FiAvHLjr+soY+ac9VkvozrECbiDSd0D0DgKqHNeBmplNVgiKdd3ajFxoAHaolqOVcMfpXHRF/EMub74aBqHKqbMtpccF7Afh8DwvmQjU7Xd+nc/dWtecqr3rl7ywREMwDFjcoX24pscXHQvBNw=; X-YMail-OSG: E27sd2wVM1ly5XoDDADS.oqLnV.uYvdYhjroWQv0GfCCQMQgslgnF_9AqqbqueH8pyTc7bDz_cBfqKQajp3MdQurOJwKvacI5WeOC4dPtsV5tCU5nbU- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 02:50:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FC-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:50:38 +0000 (UTC) wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do thanx for the tip! Luis --- Mech wrote: > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the > FCB1010 was too > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > supplier told me that a > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year > due to hardware > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland > FC-300 > > > >First impression: > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary => > piano sustain can > >be programmed :) > >+ good positioning of all pedals > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary > of many of its > good points. Although you will probably need the > manual to look up > many of its more subtle functions. > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > possible to store > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > This is not correct at all. > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex > Mode, unless > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > unless you want to > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never > even bother with > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is > where you want to > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > messages to any MIDI > channel, programmable per pedal. > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > MAJOR complaint I > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've > got one an FCB > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on > the FCB could only > ever be set to a single channel. So, for instance, > you couldn't > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches > and use that > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff > on a synth > module. > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with > several different > patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to > control SIX > different parameters simultaneously. These can each > be on different > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only scale > the control range > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > parameter 2 only has > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the > ranges of > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > 127, while 2 has a > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > crossfade between > sounds/effects, for instance). > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > volume swells for the > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could > have easily done > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > convenience of > staying in one Mode during the performance). The > left expression > pedal controlled a variety of different functions, > depending upon > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume > of specific > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the > VG; Speed of the > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on > the LP-1; etc., > etc., etc. > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every > patch (Rec/Dub, > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but > I could have > programmed those for independent functions per > patch. Likewise, I > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > dedicated those to > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > Looperlative. The > individual patches cycled through a variety of > functions too numerous > to name here. > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it in > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > Again, not correct. > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > messages to multiple > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press. > In addition, you > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release. > The pedal > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to > fire off on either > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you > can turn it into > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). Or > they can be delayed > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release > messages are > fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages > are sent. This > latter function might be good, for instance, for > setting up a series > of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is > pressed, at > which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent > before the new > chord's Note On's arrive). > > Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at > first, this thing will > in fact practically mow the lawn. It does > everything except for > "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as > well as NRPN stuff; > you just can't program in an entire Hex String from > scratch). That's > something that I actually use pretty rarely these > days anyway. > > I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is > no longer being > manufactured of course. That's how good it is. And > at a price of > only about $300, it's less costly than many of the > other "full > featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today > (Ground Control Pro, > etc.). > > Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the > FC-300. I'm > confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most, > if not all, of > your misgivings will quickly evaporate. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 11:59:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4054C3BEB3; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:59:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vHWD91cSOGFvkEeXAKEBpaC/BxclpZiroFvRFtF0/t8=; b=RVqurkwnDYx69lHbdwLUO6xaSoaWQDEnnsXl/Hr9it7jqR/0hlsMsWHBaJRNLQQbth5MSiqGdGAS+FPcGYrkak1h/kOUYHGxWpVlttgMVU23gI0nlgmHe99f3yLY+J0T+IIqdDzAcRUp2lkyKyrWUt0qwuohKOYRseyYIexITXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gxeVdjPE3s8yNjvnRLwFniwV1v1m6gdyg9XqDFQ9sqyZdzZikQtr2K7Wx4xA1GfpH15KehkAi0AmO75WU+3KPDL5z+MYyFPJMZj8PVMQnt3UPkvEkmbbMbOHE4DVXl8twfonLz8J4SAaJ/sWho1AlHcUxa7fWEYjR0ukVUSq6ro= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:59:29 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 In-Reply-To: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074" References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <09hG3B.A.FcG.iyUUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:59:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi luis and all, does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm raul. 2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo : > > wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very > powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance > not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this > with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led > screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do > thanx for the tip! > Luis > > > --- Mech wrote: > > > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the > > FCB1010 was too > > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > > supplier told me that a > > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year > > due to hardware > > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland > > FC-300 > > > > > >First impression: > > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary => > > piano sustain can > > >be programmed :) > > >+ good positioning of all pedals > > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage > > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary > > of many of its > > good points. Although you will probably need the > > manual to look up > > many of its more subtle functions. > > > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > > possible to store > > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > > > This is not correct at all. > > > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex > > Mode, unless > > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > > unless you want to > > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never > > even bother with > > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is > > where you want to > > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > > messages to any MIDI > > channel, programmable per pedal. > > > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > > MAJOR complaint I > > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've > > got one an FCB > > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on > > the FCB could only > > ever be set to a single channel. So, for instance, > > you couldn't > > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches > > and use that > > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff > > on a synth > > module. > > > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with > > several different > > patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to > > control SIX > > different parameters simultaneously. These can each > > be on different > > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only scale > > the control range > > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > > parameter 2 only has > > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the > > ranges of > > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > > 127, while 2 has a > > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > > crossfade between > > sounds/effects, for instance). > > > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > > volume swells for the > > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could > > have easily done > > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > > convenience of > > staying in one Mode during the performance). The > > left expression > > pedal controlled a variety of different functions, > > depending upon > > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume > > of specific > > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the > > VG; Speed of the > > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on > > the LP-1; etc., > > etc., etc. > > > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every > > patch (Rec/Dub, > > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but > > I could have > > programmed those for independent functions per > > patch. Likewise, I > > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > > dedicated those to > > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > > Looperlative. The > > individual patches cycled through a variety of > > functions too numerous > > to name here. > > > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it in > > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > > > Again, not correct. > > > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > > messages to multiple > > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press. > > In addition, you > > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release. > > The pedal > > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to > > fire off on either > > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you > > can turn it into > > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). Or > > they can be delayed > > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release > > messages are > > fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages > > are sent. This > > latter function might be good, for instance, for > > setting up a series > > of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is > > pressed, at > > which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent > > before the new > > chord's Note On's arrive). > > > > Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at > > first, this thing will > > in fact practically mow the lawn. It does > > everything except for > > "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as > > well as NRPN stuff; > > you just can't program in an entire Hex String from > > scratch). That's > > something that I actually use pretty rarely these > > days anyway. > > > > I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is > > no longer being > > manufactured of course. That's how good it is. And > > at a price of > > only about $300, it's less costly than many of the > > other "full > > featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today > > (Ground Control Pro, > > etc.). > > > > Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the > > FC-300. I'm > > confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most, > > if not all, of > > your misgivings will quickly evaporate. > > > > --m. > > -- > > _____ > > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi luis and all,

does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers?
its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming
data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought.

http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm

raul.

2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo < labaloops@yahoo.com>:
wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC very
powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap dance
not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do this
with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a led
screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can do
thanx for the tip!
Luis


--- Mech < mech@m3ch.net> wrote:

> At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote:
> >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that the
> FCB1010 was too
> >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my
> supplier told me that a
> >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a year
> due to hardware
> >failures..... So I have decided to buy the Roland
> FC-300
> >
> >First impression:
> >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary =>
> piano sustain can
> >be programmed :)
> >+ good positioning of all pedals
> >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on stage
> >+ easy to progam, no manual needed
> >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200
>
> I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine summary
> of many of its
> good points.  Although you will probably need the
> manual to look up
> many of its more subtle functions.
>
> >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not
> possible to store
> >different midi channel's with a pedal setting
>
> This is not correct at all.
>
> Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as Sysex
> Mode, unless
> you've got a VG-99).  Those modes are worthless
> unless you want to
> dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I never
> even bother with
> them at all.  The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- is
> where you want to
> be.  In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI
> messages to any MIDI
> channel, programmable per pedal.
>
> In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the
> MAJOR complaint I
> always had against the FCB-1010 (even though I've
> got one an FCB
> too): the expression pedals (not the switches) on
> the FCB could only
> ever be set to a single channel.  So, for instance,
> you couldn't
> control Feedback on your Looper, then switch patches
> and use that
> same expression pedal to control, say, Filter Cutoff
> on a synth
> module.
>
> Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it with
> several different
> patches), but you can actually use a single pedal to
> control SIX
> different parameters simultaneously.  These can each
> be on different
> MIDI channels if you like.  You can not only scale
> the control range
> (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while
> parameter 2 only has
> a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse the
> ranges of
> individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 -
> 127, while 2 has a
> range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little
> crossfade between
> sounds/effects, for instance).
>
> At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the
> volume swells for the
> VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I could
> have easily done
> it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the
> convenience of
> staying in one Mode during the performance).  The
> left expression
> pedal controlled a variety of different functions,
> depending upon
> patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; Volume
> of specific
> tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into the
> VG; Speed of the
> Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed on
> the LP-1; etc.,
> etc., etc.
>
> I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on every
> patch (Rec/Dub,
> and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, but
> I could have
> programmed those for independent functions per
> patch.  Likewise, I
> attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and
> dedicated those to
> Previous Track and Next Track functions on the
> Looperlative.  The
> individual patches cycled through a variety of
> functions too numerous
> to name here.
>
> You imagine it, and you can probably program it in
> Patch Mode on the FC-300.
>
> >- only 1 control message per pedal
>
> Again, not correct.
>
> In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple
> messages to multiple
> channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal press.
> In addition, you
> can send an additional 6 messages on pedal release.
> The pedal
> release messages can be programmed (per pedal) to
> fire off on either
> physical release (good for Note Off messages, so you
> can turn it into
> a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.).  Or
> they can be delayed
> until the next pedal is pressed, so that the release
> messages are
> fired off just prior to the next pedal's messages
> are sent.  This
> latter function might be good, for instance, for
> setting up a series
> of chords that sound until the next "chord" pedal is
> pressed, at
> which time all the appropriate Note Off's are sent
> before the new
> chord's Note On's arrive).
>
> Look, even though I was extremely skeptical at
> first, this thing will
> in fact practically mow the lawn.  It does
> everything except for
> "roll your own" SysEx (and it will do GM SysEx as
> well as NRPN stuff;
> you just can't program in an entire Hex String from
> scratch).  That's
> something that I actually use pretty rarely these
> days anyway.
>
> I'm using it to replace my Digitech PMC-10, which is
> no longer being
> manufactured of course.  That's how good it is.  And
> at a price of
> only about $300, it's less costly than many of the
> other "full
> featured" MIDI pedals out on the market today
> (Ground Control Pro,
> etc.).
>
> Sjaak, dig a bit more into the programming on the
> FC-300.  I'm
> confident that with a bit of work, you'll find most,
> if not all, of
> your misgivings will quickly evaporate.
>
>       --m.
> --
> _____
> "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...."
>
>


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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3256_6014474.1196510369074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 12:16:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8928B3BEC5; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:16:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ktNEUqmfm1Q5qe7BR8yimSdBqQLOn2SZv6edcQeR2yE=; b=DKMgTKPHMTKUnoewUOKZlsHUf8MNAJCKoNutrjyzlxkzXscl2KNf9lulpJeDttQ4Vj92EORlpdYVZw1LuJE9Q2aWbQBRmz4fHD1wJRf3YUEcQAHkQgcoHLIum78I+Ok+vAIRLwgmyLEXWNqNLHygyHqpXYlTCK9v2lJQQTb+oXw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KusaH9yFUtoe4UBl3sN38Xafd0s8bwN1GpVcg8Tqy671rz4FQdvXa+jsJ8HeUMrEDpDgGcJSckBcfqgpXXbE4UFBNLCFLnLMJCp/yoPs0ydbTRPqZrC7FCyC5RqrvM6t2mSJOCPWvsk7XyWbCUN/cRI/9KQt8Q3VF0FWqNZ5GCo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:16:08 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:16:14 +0000 (UTC) On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming > data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > raul. The manual is here: http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 12:35:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DCC63BEB9; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=dPJvflyNf0018wqQHZmyFhbrDEVDN2eIcNdnk1ap6R8=; b=WEU5aFVdJ4RDWn2q/9qFq2HYOsji7qIE9neB0I9EmJ1BQweedF7WePuYbD/d56tkvSF/AyjQfE0y68Ul7u5Ynj+RJMx3A7HjqtAiWBECFuljIDPbcJNsuIGPRsx2GQtlZ/ARCb8mqhS92+ArI5lZXm2DrrKoivuOu4kD93FntoA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZMkGj1AsSp6bwJsnhOZVXbREm6+8/TwPJz8GNKt6o19B/CvwlBvtbE4ZwHqBvcOBhhOlEjY+F1tsp+PPpauebsseFPskDTsU9et5CbDJFzmTnW0OmqdTim7ejq3CaVmUEc1L276TqHMMqg9xu0gW7OraNmjhUiaP/+YPUfedoLE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:35:10 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151" References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:35:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers of any kind.. same as this behringer, http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades and quick tweakings with midi learn function.. ... or this beauty ... http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/ I find small gear amusing and... cheaper! Thanks for the info Per, raul. 2007/12/1, Per Boysen : > > On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > > its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming > > data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought. > > > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > > > raul. > > > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf > > From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect > which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI > specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of > these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information > given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to > hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And > of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers
of any kind..  same as this behringer,

http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng

which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades
 and quick tweakings with midi learn function..

... or this beauty ...

http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/

I find small gear amusing and... cheaper!

Thanks for the info Per,
raul.

2007/12/1, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
On 1 dec 2007, at 12.59, Raul Bonell wrote:

> does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers?
> its price is under 100... possibly max could understand all incoming
> data and convert it conveniently. just quick thought.
>
> http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm
>
> raul.


The manual is here:
http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf

From a quick read-through of the manual I wasn't able to detect
which MIDI events the pedal's buttons and pedals send out. No MIDI
specification chart included in the manual. I would not buy one of
these for external MIDI control on basis of the poor information
given online. If you want to buy it in a store it's an easy thing to
hook up something to the MIDI outputs and find out what it sends. And
of course, you need to know which MIDI events you need for your looper.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3304_8316524.1196512510151-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 15:52:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A568B3BEC1; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3841 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:52:57 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: rick williamson Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:52:23 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:52:57 +0000 (UTC) > >> does anybody know if this could be of any use for us loopers? > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf > Copied from page three of the manual: "NOTE : The Control X is NOT a MIDI device and is to be used only with DigiTech GENETX TM processors." Rick Williamson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 16:24:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54EED3BEB2; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:24:18 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Help 2 - effect search To: Message-id: <000a01c83436$a01ea3a0$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: <16zWOC.A.xdE.pqYUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:24:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you all for your suggestions. I have yet to check some of them = out. Sorry for my slow response to them, as I'm only online to this account = once a week. Further clarifications: 1 - Footpedal is a must - I'm looking for alternatives to current = rack-gear. 2 - It will probably be a delay-based unit with an ability to modulate = the delayed signal, letting pass through a dry signal too Previous suggestions: - Space Station - does not provide this (I have 2) - PS 3 / 5 - I don't think they do this (though it's been a while since = I used either - I'll have to look into them more) - Digitech PDS 8000 - does not provide this (I have 1) - Line6 DL4 - after all these years, I still have never tried one of = these - Now I have an excuse! :-) - Memory Man Deluxe - again, I've never tried one. The only EH effect = I've owned was HotTubes back in the 80's. I need to check this out. - Eventide Time Factor - Oh Wow!!! I know I want to try one of these! Thanks for the tip Mr. Walker! - Digitech RP2000 / GNX boxes - a bit bigger than I am hoping for, but clearly they do quite a bit more, too! :-) I appreciate everyone's help with this!! Does anyone else have some = ideas? David > > On Nov 26, 2007 1:25 AM, David Kirkdorffer = wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay = footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as would happen with = a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > > > > > Many thanks! > > > > David ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you all for your suggestions.  I have yet to check some = of them=20 out.
Sorry for my slow response to them, as I'm only online to this = account=20 once
a week.

Further clarifications:

1 - =  Footpedal is a=20 must - I'm looking for alternatives to current rack-gear.
2 - =  It will=20 probably be a delay-based unit with an ability to modulate = the
delayed=20 signal, letting pass through a dry signal too

Previous=20 suggestions:
- Space Station - does not provide this (I have 2)
- PS 3 / 5 - I don't think they do this (though it's been a while = since=20 I
used either - I'll have to look into them more)
- Digitech PDS 8000 - does not provide this (I have 1)
- Line6 DL4 - after all these years, I still have never tried one = of these=20 -
Now I have an excuse! :-)
- Memory Man Deluxe - again, I've never tried one.  The only = EH effect=20 I've
owned was  HotTubes back in the 80's. I need to check this=20 out.
- Eventide Time Factor - Oh Wow!!!  I know I want to try one = of=20 these!
Thanks for the tip Mr. Walker!
- Digitech RP2000 / GNX boxes - a bit bigger than I am hoping for,=20 but
clearly they do quite a bit more, too! :-)

I appreciate = everyone's=20 help with this!!  Does anyone else have some = ideas?

David

 

>
> On Nov 26, 2007 1:25 AM, David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> = wrote:
>=20 > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking for a delay=20 footpedal
that
> > can also bend pitch at the same = time.  That=20 is, as the slaps happen,
their
> > picti is being altered up = and=20 down a little... as would happen with a
> > chorus.  I = need at=20 least 500ms of delay.
> >
> >
> > Many=20 thanks!
> >
> > David
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C8340C.B6A9EAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 16:31:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBC43BEB8; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:31:20 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? To: Cc: Message-id: <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:31:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam -=20 I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim = and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking. I = had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a = stereo pair. They would not synch-up. I learned about the crystal = issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well. I hope that helps somehow. David ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Adam Hart=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM Subject: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking = about switching to Mobius or another software looper. My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim = EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves = the start point of the second loop... and everything is off. Forget = workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my = gibson echoplex before I ruined it). So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any = thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer on = the archives but I couldn't find anything. Uhg, Adam -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See = how. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adam -
 
I believe the problem you are having is = caused by=20 the fact the Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different = crystals for=20 clocking.  I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit = from Gibson=20 to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up.  I learned about = the=20 crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up=20 well.
 
I hope that helps somehow.
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Adam Hart=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, = 2007 1:33=20 PM
Subject: Burned by Oberheim = EDP...=20 switching to Mobius?

I've=20 been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about=20 switching to Mobius or another software looper.

My Gibson EDP = tweaked=20 out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP.  Big = mistake. =20 When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point = of the=20 second loop... and everything is off.  Forget workarounds - I = WANT=20 SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex = before I=20 ruined it).

So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for=20 Mobius.  Any thoughts on how much RAM I need?  I tried = searching for=20 the answer on the archives but I couldn't find=20 anything.


Uhg,

Adam

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See=20 how. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C8340D.B1CBC5C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 1 17:34:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461B03BEB2; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002801c83440$9701d490$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:35:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+U2LC+XuVu4jV9aQw3rpszFLpOWcdFTcgZJpJ mlFMr5RfJl26G6rqj176FfQCwmvsiZfymLwEBf4W8rm63QD1VJ q8mJo4tgvzznddOKm2m3XflHlOztLS8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:34:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable honestly, this box is not very small... http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=3Deng=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C83448.E9F50DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
honestly, this box is not very=20 small...
http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=3Deng=20
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but's very cheap... under 30 euros.


2007/12/1, Tilmann Dehnhard <tilmann@dehnhard.com>:
honestly, this box is not very small...



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Hi -
 
I plan to update the music on my = myspace page - http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c=20 soon.
 
So, if you anything there, please grap = the current=20 tracks as they may never resurface again!
 
Mery merry!
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C83495.BF6B2260-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 09:50:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7B823BED5; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 03:50:10 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: undo - switching tracks on myspace To: Message-id: <001301c834c0$58f251e0$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi -=20 I plan to update the music on my myspace page - = http://www.myspace.com/undomusic soon. So, if you anything there you like, please grab the current tracks as = they may never resurface again! Merry Merry! David ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi -
 
I plan to update the music on my = myspace page - http://www.myspace.com/undomusi= c=20 soon.
So, if you anything there you like, = please grab the=20 current tracks as they may never resurface again!
 
Merry Merry!
 
David
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C83496.6F853A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 14:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3723BECA; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:11:01 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #557 for November 29, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4752BCF5.60106@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 14:14:27 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071129.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #557 November 29, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Paul Ellis. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Infinity Room" on Groove Unlimited Records. Paul Ellis: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#nov PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Radio Massacre International Interview Radio Massacre 200 Mushrooms -- Lost In Space (Northern Echo) International Synth.nl Lift AeroDynamics (Groove) Arcane Hymn Pulse (none) Klaus Schulze The Art of Dosburg Online (Revisited) Sequencing * 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Paul Ellis Tick Tock The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis The Realms of the The Infinity Room (Groove) Unreal Paul Ellis Forever Endeavor The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis Flesh and Blood The Infinity Room (Groove) Paul Ellis The Unveiling The Infinity Room (Groove) Moment Paul Ellis MirrororriM The Infinity Room (Groove) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Folding Space and Melting Galaxies" on Space for Music Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From nobody@server.lazeeez.com Sun Dec 2 16:42:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12022 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:42:37 UTC Received: from server.lazeeez.com (D047AECC.ptr.provps.com [208.71.174.204]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBFE3BEB6 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:42:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nobody by server.lazeeez.com with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyokY-0001uT-H2 for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:20:46 -0800 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re-activate Your Online Banking Access From: TCF Bank MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-encoding: 8bit Reply-To: TCF Bank Message-ID: <7d014cb480e1de85b406e4b99a1a0641@> X-Priority: 1 X-MSmail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:20:46 -0800 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.lazeeez.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 99] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - server.lazeeez.com

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 16:57:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46EF63BEC1; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:57:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 411 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:57:22 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HoJyZG7Fr/hGYyWXh+Es9bXugJI87aDjGpUHTaexE6U=; b=Mm+AzCwZ2sxNd32T8vWMZ3tAd8rge6ksG+0Sj+iIhMkR2qBgYGsI5Oy0kBm9HmAMcqkj60NLjyZnNI/4H1osxECWaEPegQ866+2u1SLLwJjj3/s2OIQE1UaXSi135q+DuqaKnPRrAS96IRL527yrPcuyIhlE8Mvb6jPSC+98X0I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=b34ATjTzWtsja5d4v7aMFPGaQT9HRS9FNf9ZAmSV13ei/WwfCYzRQYPvCX9+U0Ovi3ScvEiyiO8aIaU876SBFupVMnCYdJPps5J7QnauvclqXr8oucZ8J8jD67ffFvvjVe6qPm87wtWtiocI/USNMI+qF0VTJMMKQmAOdBPJPYw= Message-ID: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:50:27 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? In-Reply-To: <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507" References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: <8_TmcC.A.-MD.yPuUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:57:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs? On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer wrote: > Adam - > > I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim > and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking. I had > an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a stereo > pair. They would not synch-up. I learned about the crystal issue, got a > second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well. > > I hope that helps somehow. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Adam Hart > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? > > I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about > switching to Mobius or another software looper. > > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP. > Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start > point of the second loop... and everything is off. Forget workarounds - I > WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex > before I ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any thoughts on > how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I > couldn't find anything. > > > Uhg, > > Adam > > ------------------------------ > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. > > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs?

On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer <vze2ncsr@verizon.net> wrote:
Adam -
 
I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for clocking.  I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from Gibson to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up.  I learned about the crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs lock up well.
 
I hope that helps somehow.
 
David
----- Original Message -----
From: Adam Hart
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius?

I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper.

My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an Oberheim EDP.  Big mistake.  When synched to my MIDI sequencer the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and everything is off.  Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I ruined it).

So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius.  Any thoughts on how much RAM I need?  I tried searching for the answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything.


Uhg,

Adam

Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.



--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4190_10956879.1196614227507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:07:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652673BEB2; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jfuh3DRip8fIur3Xov3idUt7KWtbWqSSfZH0ScolDyJ5QD1DePH8HeIAWNp7plI7VQhggMGER/MGCAkc+ggHGTxxRKBc22TcaAAnkVjLRGWqYE4ag1rUSvOMERY3r8KQPpdATMGizlHwh5lT7KIDIfg98yYRr1dvtj4nC6lj3+g=; X-YMail-OSG: PIQYSggVM1miF7gE95oD2NrN0zbckmXuSBfD9BQYplfwdAB7IiyICZZ9ZgNUo62hBIXuQ.yl9dHD6.lNFJfK8rToikf6UXSfE3d36y21uolTZH05d5Y- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: FC-300 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <443294.64833.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:07:43 +0000 (UTC) looks like another average FC,and with no MIDI info is kind of suspect... offcourse it depends what you want to control with it. Luis --- Raul Bonell wrote: > hi luis and all, > > does anybody know if this could be of any use for us > loopers? > its price is under 100... possibly max could > understand all incoming > data and convert it conveniently. just quick > thought. > > http://www.digitech.com/products/controlx.htm > > raul. > > 2007/12/1, L.A. Angulo : > > > > wow,ive been checking out the manual of this FC > very > > powerful indeed,the only drawback is more tap > dance > > not enough switches,why on earth didnt they do > this > > with the FC-200? on the other hand,compact with a > led > > screen and its price tag aint bad for what it can > do > > thanx for the tip! > > Luis > > > > > > --- Mech wrote: > > > > > At 6:55 PM +0200 10/29/07, Sjaak wrote: > > > >Thanks for all your replies. It appeared that > the > > > FCB1010 was too > > > >big to fit under my synth stand; second: my > > > supplier told me that a > > > >lot of the FCB's have been returned within a > year > > > due to hardware > > > >failures..... So I have decided to buy the > Roland > > > FC-300 > > > > > > > >First impression: > > > >+ all pedals can be of type latch or momentary > => > > > piano sustain can > > > >be programmed :) > > > >+ good positioning of all pedals > > > >+ good visibility of green and red LED's on > stage > > > >+ easy to progam, no manual needed > > > >+ build like a tank => as the FC-200 > > > > > > I've got an FC-300 too, and this is a fine > summary > > > of many of its > > > good points. Although you will probably need > the > > > manual to look up > > > many of its more subtle functions. > > > > > > >- 1 global midi channel setting => it's not > > > possible to store > > > >different midi channel's with a pedal setting > > > > > > This is not correct at all. > > > > > > Ignore Standard and Control Modes (as well as > Sysex > > > Mode, unless > > > you've got a VG-99). Those modes are worthless > > > unless you want to > > > dedicate the FC-300 to a single device, and I > never > > > even bother with > > > them at all. The fourth Mode -- Patch Mode -- > is > > > where you want to > > > be. In this Mode, the FC-300 will send MIDI > > > messages to any MIDI > > > channel, programmable per pedal. > > > > > > In fact, this is where the FC-300 gets over the > > > MAJOR complaint I > > > always had against the FCB-1010 (even though > I've > > > got one an FCB > > > too): the expression pedals (not the switches) > on > > > the FCB could only > > > ever be set to a single channel. So, for > instance, > > > you couldn't > > > control Feedback on your Looper, then switch > patches > > > and use that > > > same expression pedal to control, say, Filter > Cutoff > > > on a synth > > > module. > > > > > > Not only can the FC-300 do that (I'm doing it > with > > > several different > > > patches), but you can actually use a single > pedal to > > > control SIX > > > different parameters simultaneously. These can > each > > > be on different > > > MIDI channels if you like. You can not only > scale > > > the control range > > > (parameter 1 may have a range of 0 - 127, while > > > parameter 2 only has > > > a range of 50 - 70), but you can also reverse > the > > > ranges of > > > individual parameters (1 may have a range of 0 - > > > 127, while 2 has a > > > range of 127 - 0; accomplishing a nice little > > > crossfade between > > > sounds/effects, for instance). > > > > > > At Y2k7, for instance, I had programmed all the > > > volume swells for the > > > VG-99 into the right-most expression pedal (I > could > > > have easily done > > > it by switching to SysEx Mode, but I wanted the > > > convenience of > > > staying in one Mode during the performance). > The > > > left expression > > > pedal controlled a variety of different > functions, > > > depending upon > > > patch: Feedback on my Looperlative channels; > Volume > > > of specific > > > tracks; Feedback of the echo effect built into > the > > > VG; Speed of the > > > Leslie effect on one Patch; Track Playback Speed > on > > > the LP-1; etc., > > > etc., etc. > > > > > > I kept the CTL 1 & CTL 2 switches the same on > every > > > patch (Rec/Dub, > > > and Stop Now;Erase) for purposes of consistency, > but > > > I could have > > > programmed those for independent functions per > > > patch. Likewise, I > > > attached an FS-6 footswitch for CTL 3 & 4, and > > > dedicated those to > > > Previous Track and Next Track functions on the > > > Looperlative. The > > > individual patches cycled through a variety of > > > functions too numerous > > > to name here. > > > > > > You imagine it, and you can probably program it > in > > > Patch Mode on the FC-300. > > > > > > >- only 1 control message per pedal > > > > > > Again, not correct. > > > > > > In Patch Mode, you can actually send multiple > > > messages to multiple > > > channels (up to 6 messages, IIRC) on pedal > press. > > > In addition, you > > > can send an additional 6 messages on pedal > release. > > > The pedal > > > release messages can be programmed (per pedal) > to > > > fire off on either > > > physical release (good for Note Off messages, so > you > > > can turn it into > > > a set of MIDI bass pedals, or whatever etc.). > Or > > > they can be delayed > > > until the next pedal is pressed, so that the > release > > > messages are > > > fired off just prior to the next pedal's > messages > > > are sent. This > > > latter function might be good, for instance, for > > > setting up a series > > > of chords that sound until the next "chord" > pedal is > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:32:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588C73BED2; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 653852737-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.233.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HADB6UkdPSum1/2dsb2JhbACCJgSkEg Message-ID: <4752EC38.2010000@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:32:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <004001c83437$9b420560$5ec55548@hppav> <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that would solve it. The only difference between the old crystals and the new ones is that the new ones are more accurate as to frequency. andy butler ps don't anyone get confused with the chips that have "crystal" written on them, that's not the right component Mikkoz wrote: > Wouldn't buy two same-model crystals, and installing them in your two > EDP's (Obie-Gibson mix) solve the timing problem, or are there > compatibility issues between the crystal models and the mfg designs? > > On Dec 1, 2007 11:31 AM, David Kirkdorffer > wrote: > > Adam - > > I believe the problem you are having is caused by the fact the > Oberheim and Gibson EDP production runs use different crystals for > clocking. I had an Oberheim unit, and bought a second EDP unit from > Gibson to make a stereo pair. They would not synch-up. I learned > about the crystal issue, got a second Gibson EDP, and the two EDPs > lock up well. > > I hope that helps somehow. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Adam Hart > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:33 PM > *Subject:* Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? > > I've been having some serious EDP heartburn lately and I am > thinking about switching to Mobius or another software looper. > > My Gibson EDP tweaked out on me, so I replaced it with an > Oberheim EDP. Big mistake. When synched to my MIDI sequencer > the Oberheim moves the start point of the second loop... and > everything is off. Forget workarounds - I WANT SOMETHING THAT > WORKS HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO (like my gibson echoplex before I > ruined it). > > So now I am going to sell my EDP and buy a PC for Mobius. Any > thoughts on how much RAM I need? I tried searching for the > answer on the archives but I couldn't find anything. > > > Uhg, > > Adam > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! > Mail. See how. > > > > > > -- > Miko Biffle > Biffoz@Gmail.com > MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com > "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 17:48:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BED3D3BEAC; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 636644736-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.233.181 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKd+UkdPSum1/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOcZUb Message-ID: <4752EFFB.7070807@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:48:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... Luis References: <490345.24694.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <490345.24694.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:48:47 +0000 (UTC) hi Luis, that's exactly the kind of device I had in mind. I have one by Philip Rees which does the same job, ...or would if I could find it. I can't guarantee it'll make a big difference, I haven't tried it, and anyway my edps haven't de-synced for quite a while now using the normal system. (if they go bad again, I'll be able to test) ...but the edp processes audio in small blocks, and starting both edps at the exact same time hopefully synchronises the block boundaries. Incidently, My technique for re-syncing( which can be done quite quickly) is to change the Slave EDP to sync=In, remove the bro-sync cable, and do Mute-Multiply on the slave. In some circumstances, that saves the piece (but of course, they de-sync again when you overdub) Andre Lafosse has some sort of Midi Router box, so he can switch one midi source to different combinations of edps. (that might be even better, as you could use it to control edps together or independently. andy L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Andy, > so you think something like this would work to make > the 2 EDPs sync better? > > http://www.thomann.de/de/midi_solutions_thru.htm > > i tried puting a different source# on the second EDP > to play with them unsynced which works just fine and > man lots of new fun!but it would still be nice to have > a screen on the foot controller to know which edp is > being controlled,i do loose it every once in a > while,are you also doing the unsynced dance with your > new gordius? > cheers > Luis > >> also I had an idea to improve the sync which you >> might >> like to try instead. >> I didn't get to try it yet. >> Use a midi splitter to connect the fcb to the 2 edps >> instead of chaining them. >> >> Don't know, but that may help the de-syncing. >> ( because then each edp gets exactly the same signal >> at exactly the same time ) >> andy >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 18:20:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA3C53BEB8; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:20:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1XzwO7ucBdFqg7jAVUlEfLabrEZDyq+upxuDf3ThJfOBM4xA9ksIzHCGJWXGdhzZHonnm2vAB+u8afePqDZz16rhX4mC5aaysKzpcnNF+y//ys61pW7dSrG7PrM9472YQcKe5OdJ96S1mOue+mYB4epXEFSdPI3v7dYfmUeUbnM=; X-YMail-OSG: liH0zIkVM1nZlyiEAinK6dHqPCFSfmpvuJt_N8pHRieWsZ.QaLNs2mMp8uT7rty138Hc5pOI0glvbMH1hmrg.vwhVsUFY0Z3YJ1xbnY5U53u8UH9BhHWVql0n_0WaA-- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: OT: Line 6 and Bogner Amps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <3fa302e30712020850t429f19adg3ad673ed42001b45@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9JQSxB.A.R1H.hdvUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:20:17 +0000 (UTC) --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all: I thought I'd ask this august group what they think of the design collaboration between Line 6 and Bogner. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the Spider Valve amps (as I just sold mine). From what I heard on Line6's website, this amp looks very impressive. The price point of the single speaker 40 W version isn't bad ($699.99) for a tube amp. Plus, it has the added Line 6 pre-amp and effects (and cool-looking purple & gold lights!). I primarily play and record at home so this amp seems like a good fit. I've had several amps that had a "tube" for warming purposes, etc. and would like to get a tube amp. Regards from the South, Paul --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, all:
 
I thought I'd ask this august group what they think of the design collaboration between Line 6 and Bogner. I'm seriously thinking of getting one of the Spider Valve amps (as I just sold mine). From what I heard on Line6's website, this amp looks very impressive. The price point of the single speaker 40 W version isn't bad ($699.99) for a tube amp. Plus, it has the added Line 6 pre-amp and effects (and cool-looking purple & gold lights!). I primarily play and record at home so this amp seems like a good fit. I've had several amps that had a "tube" for warming purposes, etc. and would like to get a tube amp.
 
Regards from the South,
 
Paul

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Try it now. --0-1147713581-1196619616=:88074-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 19:33:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5175C3BEC1; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <21953.88074.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Cool mixer for sale in Austria Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:33:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hey gang I was sniffing around the old Mackie D8B forum and saw a beautiful D8B and what looks like an Argosy setup for it. I bet it's cheap and I can tell you these old boards are remarkable. http://forums.mackie.com/scripts/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic; f=1;t=009529 I used mine to mix my daughter's (Canadian) hit record... and now she's just signed in the UK and soon in the US. Her first single was stuck in the top ten for like 24 weeks and now the second single's climbing the chart. Third single comes out in Feb and we're hoping for all three to be on the chart! The record has also been submitted for a Juno (canadian grammy) for Best Engineered Album of the year. These are very good digital mixers. They SOUND good. I don't get anything out of this recommendation. Just thought someone might be interested. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9--726548310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII Hey gang I was sniffing around the old Mackie D8B forum and saw a beautiful D8B and what looks like an Argosy setup for it. I bet it's cheap and I can tell you these old boards are remarkable. http://forums.mackie.com/scripts/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=009529 I used mine to mix my daughter's (Canadian) hit record... and now she's just signed in the UK and soon in the US. Her first single was stuck in the top ten for like 24 weeks and now the second single's climbing the chart. Third single comes out in Feb and we're hoping for all three to be on the chart! The record has also been submitted for a Juno (canadian grammy) for Best Engineered Album of the year. These are very good digital mixers. They SOUND good. I don't get anything out of this recommendation. Just thought someone might be interested. Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-9--726548310-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 21:20:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50FC33BEB9; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SW+j6pbjuSDtjgN4zhAuMQ+YQpnpYDASvcspTOqYLuY=; b=x2T9obuQoQW7x7VhK8ySw0TVOSVTIzHARODNgyVJWjCpaNJ/Jvw03IHMJe+42uaVMpKJAmGNtN8v5qztBBfqPA1ceKdWADXespc7oyUAlSF5ojo/95s5QEaMG/5cKmhGPuKvh+50hqrBDhOZTwDJKLcT8ALpeuWPRAwDRsM4/ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Fp3fh6Y9ujP6EWFFPtGzxXO5cmWNFKygq+kWBO6pacE5XJH3KR2+J0ILPwcvse3VrQeuX9LBUIKDasO5LxMj5VJACAVR89fDRzi1hm34Ijvq06LQlGIi/nZsggZ5P/QHAANF1pzds9RsEBafEWBAjvqq1X1BqAshiNoBRmqENfA= Message-ID: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:20:08 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: An interesting album made with Tenori-on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <4rfIHB.A.A-.MGyUHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days Microsleep", made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. The album can be downloaded from http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ (cf. http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/service/070_news_events/20071113_tenori_on_MusicLive/index.html) It seems Tenori-on is more than just a nice toy (my first impression). Michal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 2 21:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CBFA3BEC5; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ymBIcYkUWp3pxj8kqZF/w4NW3Pdu35r7BIhpXfpNCOw=; b=Zx6RaUCCKTR3+XV1CUolC1WRCryL9uaYMUECMo5LzZ/y4HaMgmxgfRObBp8LnZ4CYAH+IcGXLCHmzF8fsi0bAKFvTHm7clL53DK8eLxge0HRh4iVIKp0RSlUdwHG6MvnmmwE1Y6707mOXStzXidMQoosrN4tKofEGsVhxsyk+Nc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nbN/R8ses8JZ1bvIG/dYOWUSDGKAXHdBm06b+G+PHRA2V4QlMdphx1elPf3c3fBkkbBjuxU1A4DBRfj2LKmh2J6Tr1fy8FPfcvzUXY1cZAPwEZ3YDF5WQ5o/FVlUTl1gm2MADFqToI7yrFLAQOIN7jPPylK9DYCwvIjCm2j/UAQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> References: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:48:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:48:34 +0000 (UTC) On 2 dec 2007, at 22.20, Micha=C5=82 Wiernowolski wrote: > Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days Microsleep", > made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. > The album can be downloaded from > http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ Listening now and... wow - this is awesome music! _Thanks you for =20 hinting! :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 00:05:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43E173BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sK1i3NFhuyxytEl9k5+93BviuURFeuZL3d0LBY6qw8AqEs241N6tjQBmskVUDRSSy4vkCb+N0mBJO22PFSEE7pwQxZf2j9hZqnh4tXvaEPG7EFv/S2rUetGwMB4alEO9TTY51kFl95t+a5hA69ZsEC8WNR11IQxU44XpWOCigpM=; X-YMail-OSG: XDwJjZcVM1kVioufsZOBpEpehM97MWiwDNITLE64Z6usykdkbv3W5V7SopcUkNESR5i75kwIY8VAY3k5auNiOnE8s4b7rygU_n7MOFafteIXuy2f_rDajN8KVNej4A-- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 16:05:14 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: reverb "rooms" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE cylindrical acoustic chamber. Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when yelling from the front to the back. There again is a natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused except for storage, there are all sorts of natural acoustic treatments to be toyed with. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 01:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 373D83BEB6; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6Pr6xFSLri5QZ6h6CqMabBdnzGUvcKB4braXsnj5S2468EIZDeyOXKy/9AlePY/8GntqWlSMF7eudVoOeMxpOZ+VtkqNItEYkQK2Ks6DHDDFkJCbKlmHltbb909BeycxSVh9ouLK5M2BrsyfDeSuejLFBuorUzxWEqDrdsHiXzs=; X-YMail-OSG: qQEIVYUVM1mdYWuYdSUkW2MbpcIn6iYjbKo6Jn57PHHSsdXqXrXmJbCg8Ks7LJYZt03.B9HcymDqzoEcwWIEAkKTJXLs4rlNpY5KcgwtM8.HwwmeCa4- Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1996049537-1196647088=:36696" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <968655.36696.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 01:58:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-1996049537-1196647088=:36696 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long. Stand at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec. I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, too. ted. bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE cylindrical acoustic chamber. Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when yelling from the front to the back. There again is a natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused except for storage, there are all sorts of natural acoustic treatments to be toyed with. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. 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There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long.  Stand at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec.

I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, too.


ted.



bill bigrig <billbigrig@yahoo.com> wrote:
Howdy,

Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos
for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were
empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never
timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter
and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the
farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put
different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment
with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round
plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted
to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb
lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate
will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to
be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE
cylindrical acoustic chamber.

Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I
was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when
yelling from the front to the back. There again is a
natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to
try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back
wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb
thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work,
no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused
except for storage, there are all sorts of natural
acoustic treatments to be toyed with.
Rig




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Try it now. --0-986506295-1196674229=:32462-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 10:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4F1F3BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4753D6C7.9090104@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:13:27 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" References: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <909147.23208.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:12:55 +0000 (UTC) bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter > and 50 feet high... Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or something having huge tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, made in metal, looked like polished cobber. > ...I will build a round > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted > to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to > be interesting... Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird shapes with motorized panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different speakers and mics in various placements.. You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I guess it can have it's merits being a country boy ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:00:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9555F3BEB9; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:00:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4ki9HppVXDJy6/eXN27NZcpVlIvendl6XAuUPAMc5whFmoSvFvefA37jOqKMDEtl6JaZEUsKY+Q95TjKzFuOhb0yXRsHV31xRQdtlfuRNTqsT2GnKd02sxfGvFRfY7IOV67CUq1Slw+7Q1rl9he/GCiFD95UMhSQ1DEILv2/Q4A=; X-YMail-OSG: 7AgTO4IVM1mIamoxn2sjECZoe0HHm6rhh_rVTVfBB4rkM7zk_ULDlAyCAPQKNU5_PLGgGw7YsoA6_YLM5q2Q2Z34efQlECLP6.kOYmci_LFeX9nuMds- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:00:17 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:00:18 +0000 (UTC) beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich´s music for 12 musicians,there is also a film i think it was Ferris Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love scene on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack for that specific scene but it sounded very similar to this...the film is qui´te funny and the music is brilliant! thanx Luis --- Micha³ Wiernowolski wrote: > Norman Fairbanks released a new album "7 Days > Microsleep", > made with Yamaha's Tenori-on. > The album can be downloaded from > http://www.normanfairbanks.com/ > (cf. > http://www.yamaha-europe.com/yamaha_europe/uk/service/070_news_events/20071113_tenori_on_MusicLive/index.html) > > It seems Tenori-on is more than just a nice toy (my > first impression). > > Michal > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. 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Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now! = --_dff12519-3ca2-476a-aa84-1a60591ee1ea_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0B13BEC5; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4753E049.5040700@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:54:01 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How far does looping go back? Farther than you think.... References: <28E697ED-2407-4BA9-87C4-FA73AC51B1DD@gmail.com> <008801c832a8$5678c8f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <008801c832a8$5678c8f0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <5D5iGD.A.9QH.HU-UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters schrieb: > A long out of print double LP called "Vor der Flut" (Before the > Flood) contained performances of C.Bauer, Butz Dähn, Heiner Goebbels, > Michael Köhler, Joe Koinzer, Roberto Laneri, Pauline Oliveros, > Saxophon Mafia, Helmut Scherner, Büdi Siebert, Trio Basso Köln. I have an reissue of that record on CD, one of my favorites for a long time. If you find it, just get it, recommended... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:14:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DF603BED3; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1228 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:14:15 UTC Message-ID: <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:53:44 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2rX-rB.A.LRH.HU-UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell schrieb: > I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the audience usually expects. Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place > them in more accessible music. If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 11:35:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124833BEC5; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1252 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:35:01 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Q6B2ckmi3PIg5oQaIXG0F9LTTxA/OxMYxQxabm/6DRc=; b=rsAJZrG5x3uVA0Zjn+34aZMPwSGQ01NZOwMX5BtmmIIY+HRPaflAaxK6/MF2SdtHTxWsSN75d8V6O90MJ7q4N2508Q+74/v/ZBJBcmSTg2s9fw6ORkcBpa/Cfu5tmnD0lxTX+8cYU4x+Fra4ChHfuIuCct6YN2wjCGSGRg4t8cE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BYC9sLTGvR1mjhPWZxwoeaprAjs/81Il4M8F6+S0EtOMigg5wdi7XNeltT7++LAzrs5ZErUGaX02oDDyUwX7VmAS/YoMY2B/7+fwVFwWII5tsdIFZIqXeZWr54sxJYFb415XIO9EZbxdpVBuj2hpYEXrnXsymNGBCl70if5sYAw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 03:07:21 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on In-Reply-To: <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <47532188.4030007@gmail.com> <233178.23163.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:35:02 +0000 (UTC) An interesting view into perhaps an alternate universe, but I suspect you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 Musicians" and "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for the train sex scene. TH On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich=B4s music for 12 > musicians,there is also a film i think it was Ferris > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love scene > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack for > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is > brilliant! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 12:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D652F3BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WO7wgoWE5CYmiYxU8Jx4pDf0M/Gt+NJjzNxMlVFXcgIHkCZvu4ScB0+HJUKfCUkCpfy+YF92EOCAXImIrKrY5wInYh9N6Y+u277NwiJpQqGJT68EKK6TDFzpe+COVDay9Cygx4Z/S60NzHRwk8O4Nv3bdJAyzIB23VfUjoPEzKE=; X-YMail-OSG: i_c4TF0VM1l2eyqZIDPYeiplmKok4geELUAFTyGH0stRCxAkxrZRzC1TKtt6euexCw-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 04:58:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3VEOVC.A.BzC.01_UHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction! Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > An interesting view into perhaps an alternate > universe, but I suspect > you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 > Musicians" and > "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for > the train sex > scene. > > TH > > On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: > > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich´s music for > 12 > > musicians,there is also a film i think it was > Ferris > > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love > scene > > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack > for > > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > > this...the film is qui´te funny and the music is > > brilliant! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:02:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99B953BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:02:20 -0500 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:02:24 +0000 (UTC) > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W Bush. Enough said. On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > >> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place >> them in more accessible music. > > If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing > your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music > more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. > Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by > organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... > (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654673BED3; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <018201c835ad$205513c0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:05:20 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Monday, 3 December, 2007 13:02 PM Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy >> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by >> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no >> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the >> audience usually expects. >> Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. At least you're not whining about him "stealing the election" anymore. See, there IS promise. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:06:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A643BEB6; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vATK2Darb7yqzbCFn8X14fuvf3axi2YFPVTD+9pwuUQ=; b=G1BVD1pmD/a6mjM0AxBNyKObaT0SrgKks+9SrZ8g3leIiROv4tpxTtsJWqQq4iOyt5MwYxLjApr7Zggim4it+m2tlH7raQ7dz5zutal1fOKETO02AWtg3HAL6NwHvUpv6jFp7tIZffA8AvpV7iTyIpGgP7C2p2AA/ItMSl1LtoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ldMhvuDixLzce1l4nL6yoPX8k1peIGFJ0zlpDw6bIyYKg0htfbG9gpebzZQ8xjjtFgZ+DVoInvcAN/O/Q9uEqxF3u1OgVVmFw0T+H5tMb5YcNB/jFbLjg1trFwjsd7ATupGp50BV0w9tIy47fF4IP7BPRYGK6FW8fiKenCyTTHg= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:06:38 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815" References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:06:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline But it's quite commonly known even outside USA that Bush stole that chair ... Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! (and now looping...) Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!! ... Ra. 2007/12/3, Chris Sewell : > > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. > > > > > On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > > > Chris Sewell schrieb: > >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > > >> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place > >> them in more accessible music. > > > > If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing > > your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music > > more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often. > > Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by > > organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self... > > (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...) > > > > Stefan > > > > -- > > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > > --_____-----------|-------------- > > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline But it's quite commonly known even outside USA that Bush stole
that chair ...

Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
(and now looping...)
Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
Long life anarchy of all kinds!!!!
...

Ra.

2007/12/3, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com>:
> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by
> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no
> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the
> audience usually expects.
> Exactly that is the artistic challenge!

Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W
Bush. Enough said.




On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote:

> Chris Sewell schrieb:
>> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average
>> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant).
>
> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by
> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no
> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the
> audience usually expects.
> Exactly that is the artistic challenge!
>
>> But why not take elements and techniques they developed and place
>> them in more accessible music.
>
> If you place anything into "more accessible music" you stop doing
> your own music. But don't get me wrong, you can make your own music
> more accessible, that's high art and neither easy nor achieved often.
> Just never sacrifice your music for being accepted (mainly) by
> organisers, try to reach your audience with your own self...
> (If you never take the risk, you'll never learn/practice it either...)
>
> Stefan
>
> --
> Stefan Tiedje------------x-------
> --_____-----------|--------------
> --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()-------
> -- _|_)----|-----()--------------
> ----------()--------www.ccmix.com
>




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Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7364_2289768.1196687198815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 13:09:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 601993BEDE; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QWwnPs/Anb6lBh5HgxnxkIH19PC80hha2dMuQOdN+Wc=; b=du2lx62PXlx0kcFWpfaFU/N+KCVIs/GkYdgJpa00Lb7YS1E2c8QtcjMM/Wf+Tp/xNdQE+JgyF7LcGaVScRaxKlaNi7dL6UrAQuQO76vGgE0TLtlY16w3Mz0gKPlF2MQCXOO6ZUvGrovvXhAbz4po6Jaf4x/yo1jeGic/fqMZ/Iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kpz7Iu6PEw0UzkOmqUyYUeLoWYZWA5sSX6MWYKnMCwA6vTkyuRq9WC4UeWHUMSfXOmWPKmlBN4XfgdYrlkzGjM7QmDta8PKCh2yeI3aFa0di4AyugYgP8FIECLxS7Bm1JdJy9+pkFNbA2csaqS+VCEmnP1XHJEpSsR5dKsDNZ0c= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:09:16 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: An interesting album made with Tenori-on In-Reply-To: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506" References: <828628.190.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:09:18 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The most interesting is that Norman will have lasted just an afternoon to make this wonderful music.. Nice, R. 2007/12/3, L.A. Angulo : > > Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since > ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction! > Luis > > > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > > > An interesting view into perhaps an alternate > > universe, but I suspect > > you're actually thinking of Reich's "Music For 18 > > Musicians" and > > "Risky Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for > > the train sex > > scene. > > > > TH > > > > On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, L.A. Angulo > > wrote: > > > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich=B4s music for > > 12 > > > musicians,there is also a film i think it was > > Ferris > > > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love > > scene > > > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent > > > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack > > for > > > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to > > > this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is > > > brilliant! > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. > http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline The most interesting is that Norman will have lasted just
an afternoon t= o make this wonderful music..

Nice,
R.

2007/12/3, L.A. Angulo < labaloops@yahoo.com>:
Yes travis!that must be it,its been a long time since ive heard that CD or film thanx for the correction!
Luis



= --- Travis Hartnett <travish= artnett@gmail.com> wrote:

> An interesting view into perha= ps an alternate
> universe, but I suspect
> you're actually thinking of Re= ich's "Music For 18
> Musicians" and
> "Risk= y Business" using a Tangerine Dream track for
> the train sex
> scene.
>
> TH
>
> On Dec 3, 2007 3:00 AM, = L.A. Angulo
> <labaloops@ya= hoo.com> wrote:
> > beautiful...reminds me of Steve Reich= =B4s music for
> 12
> > musicians,there is also a film i think it was
&= gt; Ferris
> > Bueller's Day Off where there is a making love<= br>> scene
> > on a night train accompanied by such reminiscent
> > sound,i am not really sure who did the soundtrack
> for=
> > that specific scene but it sounded very similar to
> &g= t; this...the film is qui=B4te funny and the music is
> > brillian= t!
>
>


www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


    &nbs= p; ___________________________________________________________________= _________________
Be a better pen pal.
Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how.  http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/<= br>



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TPO at m= yspace: http://www.m= yspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_7377_32170955.1196687356506-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:22:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75AB73BEC7; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_" X-Originating-IP: [83.100.186.60] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Dec 2007 14:22:28.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF0E05A0:01C835B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there...coming into this thread about Crystals late, but its got me worr= ied. =20 I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have been = controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch..... =20 I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 treatme= nt as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat yesterday and p= rogrammed three banks on my fcb to control one edp each using source# offs= ets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's in, have a line comin= g out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its thru and into edp3's in. =20 from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems. =20 1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the time= it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain =20 2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal incompatabil= ity with the two newer units which seem to synch well to each other. =20 by the way i wont be controlling them as a stereo pair or anything, one wi= ll be for purly vocal loops with the other two being used to lay down any c= ombination of handsonic, guitar, guitarsynth, my new kaossilator (grat tool= crap name) or microkorg but always mono. i imagined using one unitt o loo= ps the shorter phrases such as drum beats , thenlonger verses andchoruses o= n the second unit so i can then drop out the drums or change the patteren= by only needing to record one bar ...or something like that. =20 If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals from= here in the uk? =20 ta all =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband=20 _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.=20 http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk= --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there...coming into this thread about Crystals late, but its got me worr= ied.
 
I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have been = controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch.....
 
I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 treatme= nt as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat yesterday and p= rogrammed  three banks on my fcb to control one edp each using source#= offsets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's in, have a line = coming out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its thru and into edp3's i= n.
 
from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems.=
 
1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the time= it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain
 
2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal in= compatability with the two newer units which seem to synch well to eac= h other.
 
by the way i wont be controlling them as a stereo pair  or anything, o= ne will be for purly vocal loops with the other two being used to lay down&= nbsp;any combination of handsonic, guitar, guitarsynth, my new kaossilator = (grat tool crap name)  or microkorg but always mono. i imagined using = one unitt o loops the shorter phrases such as drum beats , thenlonger verse= s andchoruses on the second unit so i can then  drop out the drums or = change the  patteren by only needing to record one bar ...or something= like that.
 
If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals= from here in the uk?
 
ta all
 
Phill MyOneManBand
 
www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d 

Are you the Quizmaster? Play BrainBattle with a friend = now! = --_d98ace81-aa9d-4cae-ac50-4914eec1b5df_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 14:39:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D6D3BED2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 637018739-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.152.36 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAJajU0dPSpgk/2dsb2JhbACCKo5yl2I Message-ID: <475414F9.3020105@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:38:49 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: Burned by Oberheim EDP... switching to Mobius? References: <547346.63887.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <95E03BB2-EAD4-491E-9356-1C8BF051FAC1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:39:32 +0000 (UTC) phillip wilson wrote: > I have two Gibson units... a black and a white face unit, that I have > been controling from one FCB7 and a a-b switch..... > > I have just added in an Obenheim EDP that will be getting the Loop4 > treatment as soon as the chips are shipping again, I have just sat > yesterday and programmed three banks on my fcb to control one edp each > using source# offsets, i am then going to connect the fcb1010 to edp1's > in, have a line coming out of thru and into edp2's in then outof its > thru and into edp3's in. > > from what has just been said on tis topic i can see two potential problems. > > 1. the controller set up i am wanting to use might not work due to the > time it takes to get the midi control info to the last unit in the chain Using a midi splitter is the standard way to solve midi chain delay. The delay with just 2 edps is pretty small, just enough to give you a Hass effect when you reverse a stereo pair. You could maybe run edp2 from the Midi Out of EDP 1 to reduce chaining. > > 2. the Obi - edp might not sync to the other two due to crytal > incompatability with the two newer units which seem to synch well > to each other. or consider using Midi Sync, or the EDP Beat Sync. > > If the old obi wont synch can anyone tell me where to get the crystals > from here in the uk? Andy Ewen at Trace Elliot, but don't know if he still has them. Matthias could give you the part number. andybutler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 16:42:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6BFF3BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kid+E2UXiZyZ0iuzOpUYd8R0mChoKbIIi1Iu4mcXxNrl3Fej0MXvKhUzEhQFme78B1MxVunH9V12Y20ubAFY0QGhCB+TneX43mK1ooyvKQsp/7zKxwQmaudQ4E/SDKVLdv7NoN8M4XD7xd6L7ZyPI9deiIEjBoiCjzQCUrN9MLI=; X-YMail-OSG: hElmxY0VM1kaJfBoB5iVRh7Vz.x9BftLmx5YdsHTOPSiSs9z80d3JLcNUiVbh1N1kg-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 08:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4753D6C7.9090104@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <127843.29248.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Man almighty do I know what you mean!!! I was reminded of a live video I did in the war memorial here in Pittsburg Kansas. ( I plan on posting it as soon as I can figure out all the computer issues to do it?) I played a spontaneous "test" inside a couple of huge walkthrough concrete cylinders. This prompted me to get my photographer/videographer and capture a little more sonic phenomena!!! The results were spectacular and I am planning on using this for more promotions and advertising purposes. I have some raqs sharqi performances with Sahlah Suhaylah planned for the near future as well and it would be amazing to have her dancing in one of these natural/unnatural acoustic settings with me playing. We are also looking for ethnic percussionists and dancers that can keep up with her intense style/workouts. She is in Oklahoma City/Tulsa areas and we will probably be traveling quite a bit maybe into Texas and perhaps we can find some of my old friends in Arizona as well? Where are you located may I ask? Happy Christ mas and Merry New Year to all of you loopy people!!! :o) Sincerely So Much Love, Daniel T. Albertini --- van Sinn wrote: > bill bigrig wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in diameter > > and 50 feet high... > > Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or something having huge > tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, made in metal, looked > like polished cobber. > > > ...I will build a round > > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be adjusted > > to any height within the silo thereby altering reverb > > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot plate > > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought to > > be interesting... > > Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird shapes with motorized > panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different speakers and mics in > various placements.. > > You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I guess it can have it's > merits being a country boy ;) > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. 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PEOLZROQDZZPXXDQIUOJYJKYCCIQTOOUVHPGQN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:20:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE33D3BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D9L5v0zo7S9ySdBRC_cA:9 a=V9nelsnPZiH1lxGqmuIA:7 a=iKFN3pa0rAZoe8fXNTR2MObjWacA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:20:40 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg1XidBMZPT3tnERqa/YOvu3SoZhw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:20:26 +0000 (UTC) Hello folks, I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo drumset performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools annual "day of percussion" event. I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he has played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and if you haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation consisting of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), gongs, various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta pitched, in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum thrown in for good measure. He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) that were virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, melody, texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, "wow, this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I changed that view completely. It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is that when he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds like a normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained slurs between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two different toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa quotes, and he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - on a freaking drum set! The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in the extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has an instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. ~Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 18:41:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C08C3BEB0; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=UmktlCYc9ZvCJtWIwpmLACtxr+FE9rCyblWz6GbGqYo=; b=mhkYJBUMb6TJLOXougVVsfPJ/vTpqcv1g43pb6WPHmq2sev8nJKKsd5Vh5gD5bErxdNvajwOjRY0mzgmu72bk/tsYycUJ4C7HhSOBfLRAEGTs/aH4gOjbucoHCuRlI9PHXmljV04RqRv+IovQzM/+cUVXhWAfwK01nbkgouwIOk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Quw1+Fsh0GxTQk/U9WZ1CyrdNq+OS3caHQ064UBs4vffWQZhsHmR+BV/E94r//OzzbgiBI9mKZve5ZwQCLT3SP7fO8A0CZvQHWIQR/c1T+drpjx+XhoUuh0KjlfoNbxWM9Ll/QNFeR3Iwc65pZogf2eWO4QijyH2yca5INPvLa0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:41:32 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians In-Reply-To: <620675.20667.qm@web34511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <408961.44240.qm@web34514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <620675.20667.qm@web34511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:41:36 +0000 (UTC) Facebook privacy concerns: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140182-c,onlineprivacy/article.html "A Computer Associates security researcher is sounding the alarm that Facebook's controversial Beacon online ad system goes much further than anyone has imagined in tracking people's Web activities outside the popular social networking site. Beacon will report back to Facebook on members' activities on third-party sites that participate in Beacon even if the users are logged off from Facebook and have declined having their activities broadcast to their Facebook friends." On Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM, wrote: > didn't provide my link as example. > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 > > > --- mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I didn't upload music on the musicians page becuase > > of > > facebook wanting a photo ID... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:01:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71C753BEC7; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 14:00:59 EST Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:01:16 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thanks greg! "Don't loaf and invite inspiration. Light out after it with a club.".....JACK LONDON http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks greg!



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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_bec.14e52ac0.3485ac6b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:04:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EADE3BECF; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47545331.4090703@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:04:17 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the in-depth review, Greg. It's amusing looking through the comments on his Youtube videos...people bring so many expectations to drumset playing that it seems the majority simply can't accept what he's trying to do. There are so many "he sux for having all those drums LOL!" and "peart is faster!" and "bonzo hits harder!" statements, which just seem to completely miss the point. It seems to me that he's created a unique solo instrument and is carving out a repertoire for it. I think that's tremendous. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:13:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80C903BEB8; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 814 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:13:28 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: lochheed Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:13:29 +0000 (UTC) Hello - I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the various functions on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitted with the proper resistors and wired in series with standard patch cables The setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are certainly lasting longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a Boss LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss pedals between the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with a simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in stereo, they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and are always looping something different. Here's what's next for my setup.... I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME TIME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will. Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. In theory, it sound like it should work. Any thoughts? Adam http://www.myspace.com/lochheed From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:27:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A9DC3BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3B220DFF-2A6B-4F11-8D52-53E73D049F61@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:27:15 -0700 References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:27:19 +0000 (UTC) Adam, maybe I've missed this, but do you have any photos of this foot switch configuration? I don't remember anyone mentioning anything like that before. That sounds pretty interesting, John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:34:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A1763BECC; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=k2wwcKkzyBMMtdHEU689drDbKxuBpEQWzflvuPAP0gw=; b=UCeZwb/zzYOULtleZfEfLMVcbVTjhnEY29bPt5ohH+j0bDYY7zliXI63WE4M14rxFcghvdmXuc2npKa7eZsCmAixHOvykiwYQLfCGWvTMJeM9iJqf49tUIAASDnOFj+m2cKFfqGKiaPF16eotTsoT46qKpbhMIpm8xVRCa5k4JU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Pglba0htUBg4iLFActXFUF8889zfagUDpdwzYgNIaORRZFzwaN2SOUpJSp9nEJegG/zdEQZMCHpjLuzzz8qkUPk24rC3wq2KUZ5rGL5s5vcV9hcdyI4yIsVakumBZLjQpVbmDDMyjHokE+eabeAN15FyocqzoQS4CARr5Ld8uHk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:34:09 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:34:11 +0000 (UTC) You may run into issues there. I remember that some of the EDP functions could be controlled on two units with an EFC-7 type hookup through an ABY box, but some wouldn't, and I gave up at that point. I can't remember which right now. It may have to do with the resistance value seen when you have two units on the circuit. And yes, pictures please. On Dec 3, 2007 10:59 AM, lochheed wrote: > Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... > > After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:50:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96AE23BECC; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ME-UUID: 20071203195037140.223DB1C00040@mwinf1916.orange.fr Message-ID: <47545DFC.6000206@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:50:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: FC-300 References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6LuQHC.A.O2C.T4FVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:50:43 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > The manual is here: > http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/dodcontrolx_manual.pdf And it states in big letters on page 3: NOTE:The Control X is NOT a MIDI device and is to be used only with DigiTech GENETXTMprocessors. Useless, what a waiste of buttons... Sometimes I think (mass)manufacturers of gear sold their brains already. I just implement a custom made looper for a cello in Max. The musician wanted an organ pedal to control it. We found the Roland PK-5A which is very solid, (and heavy) and feels just perfect. But what a waist of possibilities (no problem though for this project...): There is a row of 8 switches above the 13 pedals. These switches don't send anything to midi out! ----- only the middle one but not if you hit it again ----- No way, they just change an internal mode. So the only way to deal with it is, to use it as well for just mode changes... -;) Another foolish implementation, The photon controller from Alesis: They have 10 endless wheels, wow --- BUT you can't set them to send inc/dec Midi values, they act as pots, not as wheels... How stupid and what a waist of possibilities... These badly designed products are probably crippled by design to not confuse anybody, but that's really confusing. Its so easy to have some presets which work for the crippled musicians and still keep all possibilities... I need simple non intelligent controllers, they don't need to store anything, don't need any mode, just send the same always... I'll do the rest myself... That should be so much easier and cheaper, almost no developement costs etc... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 19:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB3423BECD; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Tl+oVwCm6XYLrdy9wEr9s5ouQ6Xy3m0dKScnVEaP3Pw=; b=c3HeOCT+rnSRATBLyI7GtYmuFH/Ewf6jzqiDbD+rdRa07GB1cjKr2XnQKc//M1mjsb+nBs561ZQ6Etf8qbAoY7bhGw3BfTxRPJ/5FYMVnePhOFJxHtBqWI+1WEw/PAvq4/TaPdoJe72FmK0Kb3YNzitljvHEHfKCkjEe9hKnnok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=wfHDHdUbb2Qe/vcKJFWHZHWKhu5+Z4/Z9Q0KvMv+BzNpDSrSmPBpT9+8YSmbHihcVnlKkvnLbMKw/2yFFHDe2YP9g8USYO7ujA5p0uuzwZ98Vk2Wnc+V+a57UxmHZNLVb4zj4kPPQCtrbNN5Nf2QbkXjtvr7+4uYhm4dFfp2W4A= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:17 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <35wRhC.A.cND.YAGVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Well, there's like 300 million people in America (and only about 50 million voted for Bush). My experience is that audiences exist for just about every kind of music, especially when the ideas and "vision" in that music is communicated. One thing I take comfort in is the amount of fans there are for the 'fringe bands' of commercial radio - Pink Floyd, The Grateful Dead, Bjork, Radiohead, etc... If so many people are stimulated by the strangest thing they can hear on a clearchannel station, it seems likely that many of them would have ears for something even more 'out there'. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Stefan Tiedje was like: > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! And then Chris Sewell was all: > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. 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================== From A Friend To a Friend From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 21:25:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 213783BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1729 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 21:25:13 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=MACINTOSH; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Andrew Chaikin Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:56:22 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:25:14 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: >>>>> Since the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control of keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. Bome has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of Midi Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. <<<<< Chris, If by "remotely" you mean using a midi device as opposed to the keyboard, switching live sets is indeed possible, without a remote control. I'm a former Bome fanatic who switched to Mac. The solution I whipped up involves MidiPipe and QuicKeys. MidiPipe lets you assign AppleScripts to Midi events. QuicKeys is a macro program for Mac. It's not cheap, but it's super-powerful. So in QuicKeys, you can write a macro to open a specific file when a certain key is pressed. Let's say you assign Ctrl-A to Song 1, and Ctrl-B to Song 2. (Not Command-A and B -- Ableton uses those already.) Let's assume your Midi device has two buttons that send out 192,1 and 192,2. Then in MidiPipe, we run the following script when a Midi event comes in: on runme(message) tell application "System Events" if (item 1 of message =3D 192) and (item 2 of message =B3 1) and = =20 (item 2 of message =B2 2) then tell process "Live" set frontmost to true keystroke "P" if (item 2 of message =3D 1) then keystroke "a" using =20 control down if (item 2 of message =3D 2) then keystroke "b" using =20 control down end tell end if end tell end runme ... which says: If a Midi event of 192,1 or 192,2 comes in, then - make Live the frontmost window - type "P" into Live (more on this in a sec) - type Ctrl-A or Ctrl-B Voila. Hit one of your buttons, and the file opens. - - - - - Unless of course Ableton puts up some dialog boxes. - If the Ableton set is currently playing, you'd get a "This action will stop audio. Proceed?" dialog box, which you don't want. So if you assign "P" (or whatever key you want) to Live's stop button, the script above will stop Live playing before closing the file. (That's what the "keystroke P" line is for in the script above.) - If your current Live set has changed, you'll get a "Save changes to ____ before closing?" dialog box, which we have to handle. So in Quickeys, my file-opening macro looks like this: 1. Open file "Song X" 2. Check for menu item "About..." in menu Live 3. Type Keystroke "Command-D" ... which basically says: if, after trying to open a new file, Live puts up the "Save changes?" dialog box, hit Command-D for "Don't Save." - - - - - QuicKeys is super-easy to work with; with MidiPipe you're sort of on your own. But the above system does work, and has been bulletproof for me onstage for 2 years now. Hope this helps... Kid Beyond email@kidbeyond.com http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 23:12:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872B63BEB2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 81091 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Dec 2007 23:12:41 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: The woodshed Subject: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 00:41:08 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-ZFG9B.A.SiB.p1IVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:12:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi group. does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. Are there any notation applications that will enable me to create full scores with systems of different speeds? Ie system one is at 60 bpm system two at 89? thanks for any help, leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 3 23:21:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7711B3BEC2; Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Hdt//BCSFKpxXeqWpWecmReUhR063ukfuklqSeMCn0U=; b=hQ220lvEACCqvu9hwL8n7cRRgf8VZB9FKqNO/4SK5MeadZg96rRS+/08l2KmbUy9n04UaQDJHWGrkmx4Bkd28qDzuMG3fsDPQyjMY3pxFT+uZQrnQVgJJx4dB9bTSiofdJ+4B9YNRbl7ye+KkWTeZPM7K8ykq/J3pHG/0Xm5YKM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n8HR3I9RFixwlWSgHGa9wfiFNFA2Bt+mQvdNz8qzuSYoWlHL41BjPyH8BgML4gEA0DLj+54FeAIUgcWv6uTAkDUwswE256AVAVAcQzDSJZURd+U1TQWHva26eWn666JzWB++Jq5xluRJylYFLWZrCiEWZMvF3bmtAACgk04z+cI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0E13E25F-DA61-458D-AD0C-7F743E890205@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:21:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:21:55 +0000 (UTC) On 3 dec 2007, at 01.41, The woodshed wrote: > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi > controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between > performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. I once built a "light click" i Logic. > Are there any notation applications that will enable me to create > full scores with systems of different speeds? Ie system one is at > 60 bpm system two at 89? I have heard Digital Performer can do that, but I have not tried it myself. In Logic you can create one score first and then Tempo Lock all regions of that score. Then proceed with the second score while using the global temp map as usual. Logic is not a dedicated notation application, but it has a good score printing functionality. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:10:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 696AD3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HgioEjyAmaogXVjV2VUrdjw1hMHXH7NnSMuFfpdfKJmlM+fOM9G0OKQdSYdRwwE0l3AhCTmgEQSOml1n1ZiI98ZOUBjxWkeDmELMhaGG55Rpla2zMypTcp8+zCYJ6pTn2WYmAM1v1MTDEK1uiyRskz05j6K+in7DCc27MejFqMI=; X-YMail-OSG: 46pWCNYVM1mJozHGSp1zAq0FrztylsgobSw6C4leclQDPv6.I7IGvbJJkZ_ZbtU6SJ_3ZZe9JHmGsmtIYRv9FPrCOrhMGjaZXKkCl9SRZ.lcnWGjlGHsZluz3.j5dQ-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:10:18 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <127843.29248.qm@web34205.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I'm in south central Washington state (plutoniumville). The silo is about 10 miles from the top left corner of the united states. Rig --- Dan wrote: > Man almighty do I know what you mean!!! I was > reminded of a live video I did in the war memorial > here in Pittsburg Kansas. ( I plan on posting it as > soon as I can figure out all the computer > issues to do it?) I played a spontaneous "test" > inside a couple of huge walkthrough concrete > cylinders. This prompted me to get my > photographer/videographer and capture a little more > sonic > phenomena!!! The results were spectacular and I am > planning on using this for more promotions and > advertising purposes. I have some raqs sharqi > performances with Sahlah Suhaylah planned for the > near future as well and it would be amazing to have > her dancing in one of these natural/unnatural > acoustic settings with me playing. We are also > looking for ethnic percussionists and dancers that > can keep up with her intense style/workouts. She is > in Oklahoma City/Tulsa areas and we will > probably be traveling quite a bit maybe into Texas > and perhaps we can find some of my old friends > in Arizona as well? Where are you located may I > ask? > Happy Christ mas and Merry New Year to all of you > loopy people!!! :o) > Sincerely So Much Love, Daniel T. Albertini > --- van Sinn wrote: > > > bill bigrig wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 > silos > > > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they > were > > > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I > never > > > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in > diameter > > > and 50 feet high... > > > > Can't find the link, but I saw a German studio or > something having huge > > tubular reverb chamber, like your mentioned silo, > made in metal, looked > > like polished cobber. > > > > > ...I will build a round > > > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be > adjusted > > > to any height within the silo thereby altering > reverb > > > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 > foot plate > > > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It > ought to > > > be interesting... > > > > Some large studios have reverb rooms in weird > shapes with motorized > > panels to adjust reveb time/decay, different > speakers and mics in > > various placements.. > > > > You'll surely have a ball setting up the silos. I > guess it can have it's > > merits being a country boy ;) > > > > -- > > rgds, > > van Sinn > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2C43BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CRzNbtkVKoo23MEg8X3xaCkqxAE2wx63AOA/wEk/hszWMFnDHGB8xEPyuo/IxdByODHCLPkFN3FuaIw87SKjn7KusBSg/SFQn3LWAwA5dymMPEskB1v2Cpkh8ZGNoDSC6fk1S/M05EfLM2rz6PJg3ThCIqWkw75WkDLfDB9rpIQ=; X-YMail-OSG: hHVH3u8VM1lMH0M5m__JO0zlCHY58z0VahgRZMxrSI2ECmARNtJNjYsq.CcIn92HQsTsjHdei4uP42tR3sTwdwtn5fHXNOMdeav8M9j7i2Tvpjud0nN0BiHP3R75ng-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:23:15 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <968655.36696.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <948261.46657.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5IY0OD.A.gLF.13JVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, At 9 milliseconds per foot, you must have gottenan early reflection somewheree. Rig --- ditch wrestler wrote: > > There's a pedestrian tunnel where I work - it's > about 10-15ft square and about 400ft. long. Stand > at one end and clap, the echo's about 1/2 sec. > > I showed Paul Haslem (the world's only looping > dulcimer guy) and he thought it was pretty neat, > too. > > > ted. > > > > bill bigrig wrote: Howdy, > > Growing up on a dairy farm, we had 1, then 2 silos > for storing cattle forage for winter. When they were > empty, the reverb in them was TREMENDOUS. I never > timed it but it is long. They are 18 feet in > diameter > and 50 feet high. Someday, when I move back to the > farm, I amgoing to take the now unused silos and put > different mic/speaker setups in them and experiment > with a GIANT reverb chamber. I will build a round > plate, hoisted from the top to allow it to be > adjusted > to any height within the silo thereby altering > reverb > lenght. Different suface textures on the 18 foot > plate > will regulate damping. Also on the floor. It ought > to > be interesting. Natural reverb from a LARGE > cylindrical acoustic chamber. > > Also, we have a large long corn bunker that when I > was a kid, I noticed it provided slapback echos when > yelling from the front to the back. There again is a > natural acoustic chamber that will be interesting to > try. Move the mic/speaker setup distance to the back > wall for different echo time. Plus a bit of reverb > thrown in. I hated growing up on the farm. All work, > no play. But now that the farm buildings are unused > except for storage, there are all sorts of natural > acoustic treatments to be toyed with. > Rig > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See > how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > > "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a > beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily > in that order." 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 00:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E30F3BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: ZeYGHpsVM1mMZ3O0rZc6cZ0oU2ga5Z7REAzy95c2E5K2Au4i Message-ID: From: "Ken Robarge" To: References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 16:41:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16545 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 00:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Greg, Thanks very much for the most excellent report! I loved Terry's work with Jeff Beck; the Guitar Shop album is one of my faves. I also remember Terry and his wife had a band in LA in the 80s, even had a couple of "hits." I think they were called Missing Persons. Anyway, sounds like you had a terrific exhibition by a master virtuoso. I'm envious! Regards, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg williams" To: Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:20 AM Subject: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and if > you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum thrown > in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) that > were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I changed > that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is that > when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa quotes, > and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:03:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C534E3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sbPemCmL1AMXh+TFWeUeFLcRnT4s1obDCvxEYA0a0yDRimYlU1rKUR6v0wlCfbzVA8vtbm9iFo+HblzptQgBW2U145z9Xf7rhpLRq5smAvowsK2Y7krOyxc9HnqOKLOhUmX3RX9TiDZZfg6xPoAk2HpfluEnUlvFq9fdKQN32zM=; X-YMail-OSG: xypgQgIVM1nzC43M2wmFc79jzFHSyWwYMXa9NKnD2ZRsdKNPogQvdxUoKCIARiU7.A-- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Help - looking for a unique kind of effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200711271015.lARAFi3i014669@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <647137.89511.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2Ziap.A.O_G.7dKVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:03:55 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I know a guy that rewired his delay pedal with the delay pot wired to the pedal and the pedal wires wired to the knob. You might try that. He claims he "invented" it, Rig --- rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > Hi - perhaps you guys can help me?? I'm looking > for a delay footpedal that > > can also bend pitch at the same time. That is, as > the slaps happen, their > > picti is being altered up and down a little... as > would happen with a > > chorus. I need at least 500ms of delay. > > * Digitech PDS series > * Line6 DL4 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:23:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E45863BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:23:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Thread-Index; b=pa95Xb5Y4yEg18XZ18vtwkkCmRxLIPS9PrnCzt3tvLQum+/tUuU7NGKXspFdXHpXNtkMS5/vHvRBptHLlP1IYwwAN6iIGrn3O+8fyIHST36XIX/OmapCCWQDXOCY7nSn1QvdKDoG1vHEJ6CAGx5wvKohTFE83Q2ctfpXn88lylc= ; X-YMail-OSG: KBt_fLYVM1kaNayoOXGnz3mnZuF0JxnrcOM6sUE66xJ8oDDTfsWC3wY4K_IeqNowpCnzhjbBvQ-- From: "murkie" To: Subject: RE: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:00:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2DnA0iP3X0MQSQRWjM8ceyQEqLAAAjBcg Message-Id: <20071204012320.A10263BEAC@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:23:20 +0000 (UTC) And to bring it 'round to looping, the guitarist for that band was Warren Cuccurullo, early user/endorser of the Lex JamMan. Oh and the entire band were Zappa alumns. useless trivia mode: off. m.c. -----Original Message----- From: Ken Robarge [mailto:kenrobarge@att.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 7:41 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Greg, Thanks very much for the most excellent report! I loved Terry's work with Jeff Beck; the Guitar Shop album is one of my faves. I also remember Terry and his wife had a band in LA in the 80s, even had a couple of "hits." I think they were called Missing Persons. Anyway, sounds like you had a terrific exhibition by a master virtuoso. I'm envious! Regards, Ken From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 01:46:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 683B93BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2baf76c47df95b08f4f8df29c0243f32@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:46:14 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76869 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:46:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing Greg. Cool folks like that never come to Medford. BTW, I continue to lisen to and enjoy your CD "Circle of Hidden Intentions." It's in regular rotation on my iTunes at work. I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc is great. Cheers, Ted (the voice of the bear) Killian On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, greg williams wrote: > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he > has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and > if you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum > thrown in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) > that were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, > melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I > changed that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is > that when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds > like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa > quotes, and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - > on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in > the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has > an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9E23BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:32:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2FhAZ8C6hrqWfSMixJk6xHZq5uQAAMaOQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <8fbh3D.A.ZnC.UxLVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76870 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:32:53 +0000 (UTC) I love Terry Bozzio, got to open a show for Missing Persons way back when and he couldn't have been a nicer, more unaffected dude, I've seen him also with Zappa and with Jeff Beck a couple of times as well. I must say he's the kind of drummer like Dennis Chambers can be, that can take over a band, they have so much energy and hyper creativity. I saw Bozzio play with Pino Paladino, and he was turning his grooves inside out so much and playing so polyrhythmic that Pino couldn't lock in with him, on top off that Tony Hymas didn't seem to be making any effort to stay out of the bass frequencies, with massive synth washes. Then again it could have been a crappy mix, but it was disappointing to me, as I love Pino's playing, and wasn't hearing him well, however when I saw Bozzio play with just a keyboard trio with Beck and Tony Hymas it worked much better, in fact it was so amazing that I wasn't much interested in staying to hear the next act, Stevie Ray Vaughn, who's music I hadn't yet developed an appreciation for and who would have been better served by a more intimate venue. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:39:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA2413BEA9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 20:39:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:39:51 +0000 (UTC) My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 02:55:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F27103BECD; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <51464.69.59.203.72.1196736949.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 18:55:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bozzio From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 02:55:50 +0000 (UTC) I have a bootleg DVD of Fantomas from the Montreaux jazz fest some years back. The usual drummer (Dave Lombardo, of Slayer, an amazing drummer as well) couldn't make the tour and Bozzio was called to fill in. Amazing performance, Bozzio's focus is unbelievable. > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's > playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and > Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's > instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From service@paypal.com Tue Dec 4 03:01:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 725 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:01:06 UTC Received: from dbscorp7.dbscorp.net (ns1.dbscorp.net [70.60.38.11]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33CA3BEA9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:01:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([66.57.78.81]) by dbscorp7.dbscorp.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 3 Dec 2007 21:48:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "PayPal Inc," Subject: PayPal Accounts Review Department. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D99EB3BECC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=bADS+8O0yXybbD3GsnSf91HMh46wPVFKPVHJeUytj3rnEbpaJ2Pg76iew/SeCvaw; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <10827958.1196738667142.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:24:26 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd485e2e742ca5f2b343f6fee35da6027bf9379a5ba0fa6c7c04350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.53 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76873 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:24:27 +0000 (UTC) here's the polytown show i was at-http://www.splattercell.com/gaalore/dtorn/dttrade.nsf/193a08444f62a96080256cd40065bd2b/9a03b478671e17e0c1256b7b00717934!OpenDocument cool as hell and a full house, but i seem to remember that the crowd could not get into it-but, i did. -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Shawn >Sent: Dec 3, 2007 9:39 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: bozzio > >My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. Karn's >playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of feel, and >Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with Bozzio's >instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A3C3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.11] From: samba - To: Subject: Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:26:39 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071204010356.960FB3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071204010356.960FB3BECA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 03:26:39.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B4C7FC0:01C83625] Resent-Message-ID: <3kFErD.A.W8E.wjMVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:26:40 +0000 (UTC) --_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I saw Terry Bozzio at BumberShoot festival in Seattle-(maybe the best musi= c festival in the world, 4 days of music dozens of stages,every kind of mu= sic ,and cheap.Highly reccomended) He played a set at Bumberdrum ,the all percussion part of the fest. He ha= d the massive kit as described,fairly early in it's existence. I thought th= e cymbal/gong array was very cool. The first ten minutes were mindblowing. = pyrotechnical virtuosity,a huge range of textures and colors,and dynamics. = By 15 minutes it was getting predictable. He was sort of seesawing back and= forth between bombastically heavy chromatic roll action on all those low = toms and precious prettiness with the high cymbals. He even had two differ= nt facial expressions that accompanied this morph.After about 4 times up an= d down he seemed to have blown his conceptional wad,and just repeated it al= l for another 40 minutes.Most of the audeince seemed to be young male drumm= ers staring with some variation of the thought 'wish I could do that' furro= wing their brows as their girlfriends stared off into space in every direct= ion but towards the stage. I play melodic percussion ,and hand drums,not tr= aps.I was with my brother who was studying jazz drumset at Cornish Institut= e under Julian Priester. When I said if it's drum music and the women aren'= t dancing,and are bored,something's missing he got annoyed ,though later c= onceded the point. See it's possible to play in time but not be in the groo= ve. Sounds like his melodic concept has matured since then,it was 10 years ag= o. He can probably sustain interest longer.At the time I thought,'another o= ne of these guys with monster chops he needs to be under the control of a m= aestro with a musical vision'.I don't recall experiencing any other music e= vent that had such a curve from amazement to boredom,but the last 30 of t= he 50 minutes were boring.=20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE= ! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_1120= 07= --_06303109-09e0-49d2-95bf-05dad3104abd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  I saw Terry Bozzio at BumberShoot festival in Seattle-(maybe the best= music festival in the world,  4 days of music dozens of stages,every = kind of music ,and cheap.Highly reccomended)
  He played a set at B= umberdrum ,the all percussion part of the fest. He had the massive kit as d= escribed,fairly early in it's existence. I thought the cymbal/gong array wa= s very cool. The first ten minutes were mindblowing. pyrotechnical virtuosi= ty,a huge range of textures and colors,and dynamics. By 15 minutes it was g= etting predictable. He was sort of seesawing back and forth between bombast= ically heavy  chromatic roll action on all those low toms and  pr= ecious prettiness with the high cymbals. He even had two differnt facial ex= pressions that accompanied this morph.After about 4 times up and down he se= emed to have blown his conceptional wad,and just repeated it all for anothe= r 40 minutes.Most of the audeince seemed to be young male drummers staring = with some variation of the thought 'wish I could do that' furrowing their b= rows as their girlfriends stared off into space in every direction but towa= rds the stage. I play melodic percussion ,and hand drums,not traps.I was wi= th my brother who was studying jazz drumset at Cornish Institute under Juli= an Priester. When I said if it's drum music and the women aren't dancing,an= d are bored,something's missing he  got annoyed ,though later conceded= the point. See it's possible to play in time but not be in the groove.
=   Sounds like his melodic concept has matured since then,it was 10 yea= rs ago. He can probably sustain interest longer.At the time I thought,'anot= her one of these guys with monster chops he needs to be under the control o= f a maestro with a musical vision'.I don't recall experiencing any other mu= sic event  that had such a curve from amazement to boredom,but the las= t 30  of the 50 minutes were  boring.
 



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Recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7eeb535298da160a Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:34:39 +0000 (UTC) Aloha my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or p.a. to run it through. I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be looping are: frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) a variety of hand percussion multiple layers of vocals i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single source speaker system as well. Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd be grateful for any recommendations. thanks! -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 03:35:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1913BECD; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:35:44 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) Daryl Shawn wrote: > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- Polytown. I saw them at the Bottom Line. My memory is a tad bit dusty... It was real cool to sit right in front of Bozzio and see him drool. I saw him with El Becko a few years ago too. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 04:09:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA07B3BEB2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=UdrjibjIWkKmv6n9OYsA:9 a=cpFltS7i_PBsNv3af4oA:7 a=5rJ6Sqqfx6UbBc5GIIKWTI-3ShgA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c8362b$888f5e90$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <2baf76c47df95b08f4f8df29c0243f32@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2F3tATwsz5t24Q5WyqB2P1iE/AAAEd4Yg Resent-Message-ID: <_gCZl.A.woG.FMNVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Ted. >I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc >is great. The reason I was lurking around the percussion festival is that the Gamelan I play with, Gamelan Dharma Santi, played a piece (a lot of gear shlepping for a whopping 7 minutes of performance). I'll be recording some more Gamelan-inspired stuff beginning in January, along with some other stuff. Same format, acoustic guitar and looping. Although after the Bozzio clinic I've been beating my hands raw practicing "guitar percussion solos", so I'll probably include a little of that as well. I was also really inpired by some of the tone mangling that went on in Santa Cruz, but I don't know how that will fit into my thing yet. When are you going to record a new one man? I dig Flux the Flaxen Bear ;) I'm really glad you enjoy the disc Ted. Take care. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Concert Review: Terry Bozzio Thanks for sharing Greg. Cool folks like that never come to Medford. BTW, I continue to lisen to and enjoy your CD "Circle of Hidden Intentions." It's in regular rotation on my iTunes at work. I particularly dig the gamelan-like "Gilak Slendro" but the whole disc is great. Cheers, Ted (the voice of the bear) Killian On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:20 AM, greg williams wrote: > Hello folks, > > I had the great pleasure of attending an inspiring Terry Bozzio solo > drumset > performance/clinic last night at CSU Sacramento as part of the schools > annual "day of percussion" event. > > I assume most of you are aware who Terry is and some of the people he > has > played with, including Zappa, Jeff Beck, etc. > > I watched his crew setting up his kit (which took three hours!), and > if you > haven't seen it, this thing is a monstrous mutant alien creation > consisting > of chromatically and diatonically tuned toms, 8 diatonically tuned bass > drums (going down I believe to a low E three octaves below middle C), > gongs, > various world percussion stuff, and tons of stacked cymbals, sorta > pitched, > in layers from low in pitch to high in pitch. Oh, and a snare drum > thrown in > for good measure. > > He played pitched solo compositions (with perhaps a little improv) > that were > virtuosic and orchestral in nature, with thought to form, harmony, > melody, > texture, drama and dynamics. At first I looked at the kit and thought, > "wow, > this is overkill", but by the end of his first orchestration, I > changed that > view completely. > > It was totally inspiring, and I got a lot of great ideas from both his > performance and his "chat" with the audience. Something he does is > that when > he wants a sustained note, he rolls the tom very fast. That sounds > like a > normal human thing to do, but in addition, he also performs sustained > slurs > between specific notes in a melody by overlapping his rolls on two > different > toms when transitioning between those specific notes. He also performs > harmony (four notes total, plus a hi-hat, as he has pedals set up which > simultaneously play a bass drum AND hi-hat). He does all kinds of > polyrhythmic stuff with ostinatos, and to boot he is a very dynamic, > enthralling performer. I caught a couple of Stravinsky and Zappa > quotes, and > he played an excellent orchestration of Ravel's main "Bolero" theme - > on a > freaking drum set! > > The concert was totally packed and the buzz afterward was positive in > the > extreme. Check his stuff out when you get a chance. Apparently, he has > an > instructional DVD with the whole shebang included. > > Oh, by the way, I am not a drummer. > > ~Greg > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 04:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 396E73BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:17:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 04:17:13 UTC X-YMail-OSG: aKFIg2kVM1kBKttM6A_PY5nwHzuqxeSZyK4yGNfgPA9pbMsPd7FchS_b3Wv9HPBqUcVxhlLB874JccwE9MYkVF4U5uP36kaaqViyJvzCwTjLID3S2A-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E93428E-7369-4E95-9417-65830E877C15@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: bozzio Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:10:31 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 04:17:14 +0000 (UTC) No loopage (that I remember), but the Black Light Syndrome CD (Bozzio, Levin, and Steve Stevens) is also excellent. --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Dec 3, 2007, at 6:39 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 06:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C82CA3BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xFaxgsvhZdTjB7H7KHN0in98HBfAGD00dj3LDLAlXr8PUD28SOnMUeawP70lQBvUdIFq0y2EFeMa/KRo2gcww1/LR52shewaUwjI7V8mrQ8j6kA8WUUUzzNPTFoEsPZnj5gXisW6pzFp52sY9jE4GtlSKk7+RTqoQ3+Xfu7KvEg=; X-YMail-OSG: alSdaf0VM1nzF7Ixaod31GlyREz159vxaq94V0TL8zv.TeEU4S7EUa7_HcmUL0kGtS_2tlU9tYz.gcKkFhrPCQo6EbBthMZJNCckfwsGTxyx8FMmM9Y- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 22:28:25 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Re: Facebook Pages for Musicians To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <403500.99158.qm@web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3weuB.A.wTE.KOPVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 06:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Great...So... tracking what we do while having a photo ID on file. That's not like wierd or unnerving or anything. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Facebook privacy concerns: > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,140182-c,onlineprivacy/article.html > > "A Computer Associates security researcher is > sounding the alarm that > Facebook's controversial Beacon online ad system > goes much further > than anyone has imagined in tracking people's Web > activities outside > the popular social networking site. > > Beacon will report back to Facebook on members' > activities on > third-party sites that participate in Beacon even if > the users are > logged off from Facebook and have declined having > their activities > broadcast to their Facebook friends." > > > > On Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM, > wrote: > > didn't provide my link as example. > > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=758002047 > > > > > > --- mesquamacus@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > > I didn't upload music on the musicians page > becuase > > > of > > > facebook wanting a photo ID... > > www.myspace.com/mesqua www.reverbnation.com/stevenguerrero ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 07:34:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD0103BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:34:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:33:46 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: bozzio Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <5Klv7.A.n5G.6LQVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:34:18 +0000 (UTC) At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: >Daryl Shawn wrote: >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >Polytown. I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:28:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C24693BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:28:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 654565171-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKSeVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSndA Message-ID: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:28:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:28:50 +0000 (UTC) hi Michael, Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour the sound a lot. ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). andy butler michael wall wrote: > Aloha > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > p.a. to run it through. > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > looping are: > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > a variety of hand percussion > multiple layers of vocals > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > source speaker system as well. > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > be grateful for any recommendations. > > thanks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:46:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 503903BECF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 382 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:46:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=XY8ZXXEw3ZzxAuxJoW89dhi2bRod0eDAdjRI/GvH7d0=; b=wduV/udch0+sSqY7JkXrgDkopqV2Rep4dRqAOP10bafrOTGXgClsC+8iYxTP1r9HBvH6ykpxoZ+G0fR4UEqdpqqghlL6h2W26mPjBd21ehk6zSVaG93XXQ7opl2FNG7srVRdbgmf4eunixB+WmhBqSvR/B22wsHPD/+9KhBeNJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=vW8wrDOj9fEYov1rxf1cn3B7SZ/j4XP+Wi1ZTt9lcQBvIfjlO+eQaAGJfEq+PYgYqBaOSUvEWcn6yDgztNaKPcH4+WmZ+4XG+J7uoN+N+ueVPemVY5j6XEGyDWVfcoM2hRDW+fHiuSOuoxNpZ+mrOiYZya4h63CdIceVmGced0Y= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:40:20 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837" References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <2B9Rp.A.liB.5PRVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:46:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did 2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control... Arne 2007/12/4, andy butler : > > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > andy butler > > michael wall wrote: > > Aloha > > > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > > p.a. to run it through. > > > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > > looping are: > > > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > > a variety of hand percussion > > multiple layers of vocals > > > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > > source speaker system as well. > > > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > > be grateful for any recommendations. > > > > thanks! > > > > > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did  2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the  sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control...
Arne 

 
2007/12/4, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
hi Michael,
Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers.
These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour
the sound a lot.
( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies
on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of).



andy butler

michael wall wrote:
> Aloha
>
> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love
>
> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or
> p.a. to run it through.
>
> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically
> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people.  What I'll be
> looping are:
>
> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range)
> a variety of hand percussion
> multiple layers of vocals
>
> i'm interested in something reasonably portable.  I have looked at the
> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single
> source speaker system as well.
>
> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd
> be grateful for any recommendations.
>
> thanks!
>






--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_18484_8171004.1196757620837-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:47:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36DE33BECA; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=9psx+RqA+gnJ7kWlGHiIa2cN97/p4UqQLzicCRvUAH8=; b=Ak37eZV22M8xpduyotNOCm2WAN/p/XTTHEaMaIj0yMmGyyyCapkPJPLWvbwPgPtZQQeE6hK8PXJKMuQ+VaLn5Vyt+m4uiulI3IKx7V+WQtBNQBHMXbhWimsukV8g/aPCcN2V5CSmpgiOB6QtiEipbJprjQI7AuE+vPBmWEa2pPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cN0GnAhCP39wv2QOeEuPbvhNAfWEQRAHjWkG82ZCPmHqVCuIfzRH7ei5/fMky/cHrj3c5HTZIqvNPexE0y/jH9UqZXozUZmIxTus4B5Xs27n6GYFR/Aoriw/sZ4HJnXjl0/cVIp/BHtAf/XZMs+lYd+Lc5n0/cebXGE0alP4+YY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:47:13 +0100 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976" References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <9HXSWC.A.0rB.ZQRVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline heres a picture from that particular setup http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-geek-stuff.html A 2007/12/4, Arne R. Skage jr : > > Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers > http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng , sound good and relatively > cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did 2 months ago to use for self monitoring, > i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the sinal > from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level > control... > Arne > > > 2007/12/4, andy butler : > > > > hi Michael, > > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > > the sound a lot. > > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > > > > > andy butler > > > > michael wall wrote: > > > Aloha > > > > > > my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love > > > > > > i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or > > > p.a. to run it through. > > > > > > I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically > > > - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be > > > looping are: > > > > > > frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) > > > a variety of hand percussion > > > multiple layers of vocals > > > > > > i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the > > > Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single > > > source speaker system as well. > > > > > > Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd > > > be grateful for any recommendations. > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Arne R. Skage jr. > > 91157204 > arne@skage.com > www.skage.com -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
heres a picture from that particular setup http://skages.blogspot.com/2007/10/new-geek-stuff.html
A

 
2007/12/4, Arne R. Skage jr <arneskage@gmail.com>:
Hi guys, I can recomend these behringer speakers http://behringer.com/B212A/index.cfm?lang=eng  , sound good and relatively cheap. i bought 1 for a tour i did  2 months ago to use for self monitoring, i ended up bypassing the diffrent local monitors and just blended the  sinal from the FOH with my new private monitoring setup, gave me full level control...
Arne 

 
2007/12/4, andy butler <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>:
hi Michael,
Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers.
These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour
the sound a lot.
( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies
on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of).



andy butler

michael wall wrote:
> Aloha
>
> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love
>
> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or
> p.a. to run it through.
>
> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically
> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people.  What I'll be
> looping are:
>
> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range)
> a variety of hand percussion
> multiple layers of vocals
>
> i'm interested in something reasonably portable.  I have looked at the
> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single
> source speaker system as well.
>
> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd
> be grateful for any recommendations.
>
> thanks!
>






--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com



--
Arne R. Skage jr.

91157204
arne@skage.com
www.skage.com ------=_Part_18499_29715409.1196758038976-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 08:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50EF33BEE6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine Live Looping Article Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:47:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002801c83652$477642d0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg2UkbWgLifWKYhRBKBimfFstXFyw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 08:47:22 +0000 (UTC) > ---- RICK WALKER wrote: > The current (September 2007) issue of DRUM! Magazine > has a 6 page article on live looping techniques for > drummers and percussionists. does anyone have a copy of this, and can post these 6 pages somewhere? as JPG or PDF? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 09:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E478F3BECC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vZu6Jzs5NT3EE9trs1L74npGviDbk5CuldtBeXeef6E=; b=UmqgBs08/Rg0fN1geH2ZQQfCfoE8z9XJxeM1XzHqn8iRZQCs6tQBMgaFD1v1WKoj4WQF5CGI7yc3kdvk+i+S+WEu25sPfwKEUxXFCyl24tXMTGg7lOHIH3jt9xPQjlXMDyZ5Bv/Df59S5HIT+6QJVgoCLImkfZKQyLn8zXlascY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y/vZYxowe0EA/lKnQaEgLZtKeVUN/Byx48e3xu7Z8yN79wHOAtwbO6tifwc0/MT0JqeZPta119lxqZ5WcURKJTAUcovp96qMXdzZn9VrawQlX2I2aUyFHybsTMqql5YDMYmCEzEsxDoEKWSgIpyOpjddi4QUI9p12bvoVXZ8Ugo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:12:19 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On 4 dec 2007, at 09.28, andy butler wrote: > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at http:// www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 each that would translate. I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - Bose. Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 09:41:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B755E3BECF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:41:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:41:29 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:41:31 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. How about the Mackie SRM450? Have you compared that to the Eon in a listening test? I have a couple of SRM350s and I am quite happy with them although I had to do some dangerous surgery on them to disable the stupid automatic bass boost feature. They are nearly useless without the surgery which is why I wouldn't recommend them. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 11:13:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434E33BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:13:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643614692-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAM7EVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSOdZoV Message-ID: <475535FE.4090806@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:11:58 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> In-Reply-To: <475520C9.5000207@servingpeace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:13:07 +0000 (UTC) hi Sam, I played through those (I think, not sure the exact model) when I went to Santa Cruz for the y2k5 loopfest. In Santa Cruz, absolutely everybody has those speakers, so I got to hear a lot of them. I found them very fatiguing to listen to, thought they sounded harsh and that the bass response was slow. To me, they had something of the sound of someone shouting through a tube into your ear. However..a lot of people love the sound of those speakers, maybe because it reminds them of the sound of a big gig, I don't know. If you think "punchy" is a good adjective for speakers then give them a try. The jbls ( I have the earlier model) are much more like having the sounds you feed into them, only somewhat louder. andy Sam Nilsson wrote: > andy butler wrote: >> hi Michael, >> Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. >> These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour >> the sound a lot. > > How about the Mackie SRM450? Have you compared that to the Eon in a > listening test? > > I have a couple of SRM350s and I am quite happy with them although I had > to do some dangerous surgery on them to disable the stupid automatic > bass boost feature. They are nearly useless without the surgery which is > why I wouldn't recommend them. > > - Sam > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 11:37:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D803BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643625817-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAKvKVEdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCJgSpEA Message-ID: <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:35:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM > IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at > http://www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for > half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 > each that would translate. depends what you mean by "beat". The usual considerations are Could just mean they are louder. (and they make disco stuff, if you ever heard a uk disco that's scary) > I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they > really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially > appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors > are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you > really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - > Bose. Totally agreed, for Norwich Loopfest I set up the jbls behind the performers. ....perfect monitoring. > > Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? > It all started with Sub Woofers, a speaker that handled sounds that full range speakers couldn't reasonably reproduce. That would be in the 20-40Hz range. With those it didn't matter that they had a separate enclosure. Those sounded like a lot of fun. Now the "sub" woofers take on the lower frequencies that would otherwise be handled by the woofer in full range speaker, allowing high volumes of "hit you in the chest" 50-100Hz frequencies( or higher). These "Sub" woofers (really they are just woofers) use resonance to boost the volume, which makes for a slow uneven bass response. So the "doesn't matter where you put it" theory no longer applies. So far, I didn't hear a set-up like that which I thought sounded good. Though price per price there may be an advantage. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48263BEB9; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:05:02 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ot flashing midi metronome? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:04:27 +0000 (UTC) The woodshed wrote: > > Hi group. > > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi > controlled? I wish to have multiple simultaneous tempi between > performers, and execute precise tempo shifts. Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:26:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019953BEAC; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 14:26:41 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: MIDI design/pogramming books'n'ressources Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:26:06 +0000 (UTC) Because of the resent metronome thread: >> does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome.. > > Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: > http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can > be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. > I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. > He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. I just did a quick peek into the book at: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1884777449/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9788421-2521419#reader-link Looks interesting, lotsa info.. but all Windows(95) and C++ based. Anyone have pointers to books and ressources about general MIDI design and programming techniques? Preferable using non-platform-specific libs. Assembly welcomed too. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 13:56:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF193BEAF; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 08:55:57 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Mech wrote: > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: >> Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record >>> "Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal >>> colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. >>> Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of >>> feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with >>> Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. >> >> When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >> Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >> Polytown. > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. Nope. Mark Isham, David Torn, Mick Karn, Terry Bozzio. Maybe there was a keyboard player. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:13:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BAAD3BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9z6QJyb2ZsajZxt3XjUXSZTQAREFZd7i9Yu+YTJDMcI=; b=EXVN8c2X5AVzY8ySG/3iizwC5vpncDt9iBcgDqY6V0+jCiSgOyDsebn002DMaynb82aUlPNO34HodFD6pHapSWRN0xyc2VwoX6FGaTVhKrq7K+6/1wfcejNs8OAU9wcqPNuF68UfjArZctNbKMZ0XslcoQXQ9ueUiigvClATUIo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JdtDie8Ytj3UscPQN5dcWP2Rkph+HnKp2sGjOR6GDw8+7+paM96T9M6A6c/43VNoSLI2GccOozjXIUm1cBwzsCj8q1HKfUv73RpAjRWiuvv/brepyciyJggGSqXIj9TwQ90LYnn+c9OURFk5C3SWZks2rct84/ijCdlZeuNJFWU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:13:28 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI design/pogramming books'n'ressources In-Reply-To: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47555591.5050405@post.cybercity.dk> Resent-Message-ID: <7NUO-C.A.znG.c6WVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:13:32 +0000 (UTC) MIDI Technical Fanatic's Brainwashing Center. ;) http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/ If you are looking for code a great place is www.codeproject.com though it's mostly Windows based (but not all.) Tony On Dec 4, 2007 8:26 AM, van Sinn wrote: > Because of the resent metronome thread: > >> does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome.. > > > > Dunno about readymade thingies, but take a look at this: > > http://www.maxmidi.com/diy/metro/ > > Code and/or programmed processor can be ordered. It's so simple it can > > be wired off a vero board, or using wire-wrap. > > I bet the author makes custom stuff too.. > > He also wrote a MIDI DIY book. > > > I just did a quick peek into the book at: > http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1884777449/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9788421-2521419#reader-link > > Looks interesting, lotsa info.. but all Windows(95) and C++ based. > Anyone have pointers to books and ressources about general MIDI design > and programming techniques? > Preferable using non-platform-specific libs. Assembly welcomed too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:18:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 869503BEC7; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:20 UTC Message-ID: <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:13:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: bozzio From: "p koniuto" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: peter@RedSunSoundroom.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - jade.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32042 32042] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - RedSunSoundroom.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:18:21 +0000 (UTC) >>> When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham >>> Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- >>> Polytown. >> >> I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to >> Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick >> O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > Nope. Mark Isham, David Torn, Mick Karn, Terry Bozzio. Maybe there was a > keyboard player. Working with Mark Isham is how the three got to know each other. Polytown was a bit of a reunion, though Torn had been doing some work with Mick Karn before that for CMP. (Mick also was Torn's original choice for Cloud About Mercury, if i recall, and Mick played on that tour.) I worked on the Polytown record back in 1993 as the teaboy. 20 days of pure bliss--all composed, recorded, and mixed in under three weeks. That's when David Torn taught me how to loop (with a PCM 42). During the sessions Jon Durant--who was working for Lexicon at the time--showed up with this new-fangled thing David had consulted on, hot off the assembly line: it was called the Jamman. Good times. Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY U.S.A. 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GHJJQTIBZYPZINOZRTUXMRYGPFNCXVNDPNYPEX From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:23:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349693BECA; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47557105.3000600@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:23:49 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: reverb "rooms" References: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <765134.81538.qm@web32711.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <_gPWqD.A.MBH.iDXVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:23:15 +0000 (UTC) bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I'm in south central Washington state > (plutoniumville). The silo is about 10 miles from the > top left corner of the united states. Plutoniumville? And those silos just had corn'n'stuff in them.. :-D For the fun of it, I once had two birds. The bluish colored was named Blues Boy, and when we got the next yellowish one, I asked a friend, who were into chemestry and physics, what to name it. A short thought later he suggested Yellow Cake. In case ypu don't know, yellow cake is an extremely toxic waste product from the plutonium enriching process, AFAIR. Wonderful birds, but a bit bizarre that Yellow Cake died if canser.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:53:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E7C3BED0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Macworld readers, I need a solid. Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:53:33 -0500 References: <2092E913-ADEC-4DB7-BE79-FFD26130EAD6@biggerbread.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, I'll definetly check that out. Abletons unwillingness to =20 provide midi control of keystrokes is truly ponderous. I had high hopes for Live 7, but no, not this time either. On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Andrew Chaikin wrote: > Chris Sewell wrote: > >>>>> > Since the guys Ableton still have not provided midi control > of keystrokes, this might allow me to switch live sets remotely. > Bome has yet to make good on its promise of a Mac version of > Midi Translator and the Midistroke doesnt really work well. > <<<<< > > Chris, > > If by "remotely" you mean using a midi device as opposed > to the keyboard, switching live sets is indeed possible, > without a remote control. > > I'm a former Bome fanatic who switched to Mac. > The solution I whipped up involves MidiPipe and > QuicKeys. > > MidiPipe lets you assign AppleScripts to Midi events. > QuicKeys is a macro program for Mac. It's not cheap, > but it's super-powerful. > > So in QuicKeys, you can write a macro to open a > specific file when a certain key is pressed. Let's say > you assign Ctrl-A to Song 1, and Ctrl-B to Song 2. > (Not Command-A and B -- Ableton uses those already.) > > Let's assume your Midi device has two buttons that > send out 192,1 and 192,2. > > Then in MidiPipe, we run the following script when > a Midi event comes in: > > on runme(message) > tell application "System Events" > if (item 1 of message =3D 192) and (item 2 of message =E2=89=A5 = 1) and =20 > (item 2 of message =E2=89=A4 2) then > tell process "Live" > set frontmost to true > keystroke "P" > if (item 2 of message =3D 1) then keystroke "a" using =20 > control down > if (item 2 of message =3D 2) then keystroke "b" using =20 > control down > end tell > end if > end tell > end runme > > ... which says: > If a Midi event of 192,1 or 192,2 comes in, then > - make Live the frontmost window > - type "P" into Live (more on this in a sec) > - type Ctrl-A or Ctrl-B > > Voila. Hit one of your buttons, and the file opens. > > - - - - - > > Unless of course Ableton puts up some dialog > boxes. > > - If the Ableton set is currently playing, you'd get > a "This action will stop audio. Proceed?" dialog box, > which you don't want. So if you assign "P" (or > whatever key you want) to Live's stop button, the > script above will stop Live playing before closing > the file. (That's what the "keystroke P" line is for > in the script above.) > > - If your current Live set has changed, you'll get > a "Save changes to ____ before closing?" dialog > box, which we have to handle. So in Quickeys, > my file-opening macro looks like this: > > 1. Open file "Song X" > 2. Check for menu item "About..." in menu Live > 3. Type Keystroke "Command-D" > > ... which basically says: if, after trying to open > a new file, Live puts up the "Save changes?" > dialog box, hit Command-D for "Don't Save." > > - - - - - > > QuicKeys is super-easy to work with; with MidiPipe > you're sort of on your own. But the above system > does work, and has been bulletproof for me onstage > for 2 years now. > > Hope this helps... > > > Kid Beyond > email@kidbeyond.com > http://kidbeyond.com | http://myspace.com/kidbeyond > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 15:58:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2362C3BED5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 07:58:33 -0800 Subject: RE: computers suck creative energy Thread-Topic: computers suck creative energy Thread-Index: Acg15wICywqluUO8QoSWFzETpBe2xAApvNDA Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:58:37 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Matt. I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it on." While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 2:59 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Well, there's like 300 million people in America (and only about 50 million voted for Bush). My experience is that audiences exist for just about every kind of music, especially when the ideas and "vision" in that music is communicated. One thing I take comfort in is the amount of fans there are for the 'fringe bands' of commercial radio - Pink Floyd, The Grateful Dead, Bjork, Radiohead, etc... If so many people are stimulated by the strangest thing they can hear on a clearchannel station, it seems likely that many of them would have ears for something even more 'out there'. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Stefan Tiedje was like: > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > > audience usually expects. > > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! And then Chris Sewell was all: > Not around here. Americans are idiots. Remember, we elected George W > Bush. Enough said. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:21:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B15573BEB8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Z9EMWLwPrvSqPvKAddJCTIREldlgwFkW6ZwhfIYWz6w=; b=m/M0Qem7shjli/YaFNukbBXQyKRLgx33JMYwGeczPojjCOJBzFYCLkLJ8+b48mNYs9VbjlknnnW12KeNhbmBGlUA/HnyQ2pq0SiUDU17s5Aew68zbJJ2woDAHI4BDDar6tlOZZ8y2x57+Zx4jPkunK+CY3d+WJ86+LjSsteyfoo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lG6O9NET6NvZGO9ERtB0u9KJlfvyBTtpFvlR0TfdTwsvIkhETCZOh2GFlCV/jsIfWJ7bqCciw0bVrmyQ9myhPfXuyveDW2EWIUOVrTDGEUlBQQnOMLaxLQJ2QDPIUZbjuLtbB+F7XAqScL03ikRlnQjtliuBMhxOp5T8Jie5xcs= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:21:49 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76897 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:21:52 +0000 (UTC) There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio play. Tony On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman wrote: > I agree with Matt. > > I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here > in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an > audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At > one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never > been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house > and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it on." > > While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even > here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form > of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. > > Glenn > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 16:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A238E3BED6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:40:35 -0500 References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071114114223.t6ckosxc8408888c@69.89.21.76> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:41:29 +0000 (UTC) I agree. You can find an audience for any style of music. Even Avant Garde has its fans. There's a great article on Ornette Colman in Rolling Stone this month. I have a close friend that plays New 21st Century Classical music. But my post was in the context of being a paid musician. There's a ton of free gigs out there. No doubt about that. But if you get hired to play a bar, there is an expectation on the part of the club owner (your boss for the night), that you will play appropriate music. Now that will change with the venue. Some bars require more mainstream music, some bars I can kick in the Audio Damage plugs and wail. Some get a little of both. My point was (I think), that the groundbreaking loopers, Krispen, Per, et al, have influenced my music within my genre. There techniques, style and knowledge has seeped into my music. I use feedback, reverse loops, delays, pitch shifting and other techniques I've learned here and applied it to cover tunes. Yes, Its a compromise, but I have a mortgage to pay. On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Tony K wrote: > There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the > NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells > out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll > never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The > 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio > play. > > Tony > > On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman > wrote: >> I agree with Matt. >> >> I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here >> in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an >> audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At >> one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never >> been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house >> and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it >> on." >> >> While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even >> here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form >> of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. >> >> Glenn >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:03:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5E1A3BEB0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=s0nzXUpgrZ318mw7D5wxFzekDHQIqbly2ezM3FWjvyg=; b=ddEwJ3qW8dyNnBDtsrAuMYpQP9liI1x74GlSdFQ3ZPz81ckT/BZEqsTOztGho+49cTay6MVg3h/1SueRvaQD8WwNmBTRiHW6o88JKGZwIDXRergvpduWQL8bFlmP5qLH7Uhykr7fw/2LVnFt/ZD+eVolnTo0dBQxFl2e71x+SXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KLMgaSediBwCKv43BecqIBQms1+Ro+kl+QZO1IwHLIhZV4VJaHGeEXjBAB9c9GqxCQ+PVL0KsY+/qVeINHmljbAj0YOUA/6TyfNaG3jGvvf3o3pfz59i45Qh5k0Ypv82Zz6SiMXi2jxpR28bFQd38BKahQ9Kr7zlhxh0U+rfiqI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:03:42 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy In-Reply-To: <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <86783.9999.qm@web35110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <003e01c8317b$8ce7d080$6401a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1A3231C7-3C40-489F-89DB-8EAE773DEC11@mac.com> <4753E038.7070707@addcom.de> <298FDD4E-BAA1-4404-9170-9FB81C0E9905@mac.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117708A4657@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <5D341409-DA9C-4527-827C-F1B87427FFF3@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:03:46 +0000 (UTC) >But my post was in the context of being a >paid musician. Ah, yes, sorry. The thread's getting long and I kinda... missed that. I agree, it is hard to make a living as a musician no matter what genre you play. I was reading Fripp's Diary the other day and he just finished a tour with the LCG and he was send a BILL for $5000 after the tour. A few years ago Marillion fans had to raise funds to get them to tour the US. Thank god these bands love what they do. It makes me glad I play just for fun. I'd have way too much stress if I had to make a living at it. Tony On Dec 4, 2007 11:40 AM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I agree. You can find an audience for any style of music. Even Avant > Garde has its fans. There's a great article on Ornette Colman in > Rolling Stone this month. I have a close friend that plays New 21st > Century Classical music. But my post was in the context of being a > paid musician. There's a ton of free gigs out there. No doubt about > that. But if you get hired to play a bar, there is an expectation on > the part of the club owner (your boss for the night), that you will > play appropriate music. Now that will change with the venue. Some bars > require more mainstream music, some bars I can kick in the Audio > Damage plugs and wail. Some get a little of both. > > My point was (I think), that the groundbreaking loopers, Krispen, Per, > et al, have influenced my music within my genre. There techniques, > style and knowledge has seeped into my music. I use feedback, reverse > loops, delays, pitch shifting and other techniques I've learned here > and applied it to cover tunes. Yes, Its a compromise, but I have a > mortgage to pay. > > > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Tony K wrote: > > > There is an audience out there for non-mainstream music. We have the > > NorthEast ArtRock Festival (NEARFest) here in Bethlehem and it sells > > out in 20 minutes. Most of the bands I listen to these days you'll > > never hear on the radio, but they have big turnouts at concerts. The > > 'net is great for this stuff. Word of mouth works better than radio > > play. > > > > Tony > > > > On Dec 4, 2007 10:58 AM, Glenn Poorman > > wrote: > >> I agree with Matt. > >> > >> I recently did a show opening for the California Guitar Trio here > >> in Michigan. It was a sold out show and they tend to attract an > >> audience that loves to hear things they haven't heard before. At > >> one point, I announced I was going to pull out a tune that had never > >> been performed in public and hadn't been heard outside of my house > >> and I could hear a bunch of people clapping and yelling "bring it > >> on." > >> > >> While they certainly aren't the "masses", they are out there. Even > >> here in the US where most people's idea of "high art" in the form > >> of music is "American Idol" and Disney characters. > >> > >> Glenn > >> > >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D2A43BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 700268667 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: ot flashing midi metronome? Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:38 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: ot flashing midi metronome? Thread-Index: Acg2nZ68cM9wqgGgR6GhWLgyG1D/RQ== References: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2007 17:46:38.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[9F129660:01C8369D] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:46:52 +0000 (UTC) > does anyone know of a flashing silent metronome that can midi=20 > controlled?<< I've been looking for something similar, ready-made & road-worthy, to stick in front of my drummer to help him with staying in time with our sequencer parts. at the moment we rely on deafening side-fill, & he still gets lost if the keyboards become too dense. actually I plan to engineer something out of one of these home-made midi/analogue sequencers or midi-sync converters one sees from time to time on e-bait. I have a couple of suitable boxes already, & also plan to interface one with a DL4's tap-tempo switchgear. eventually. btw, my guitarist's DL4 fell apart in a radio-studio in philly a couple of weeks ago. the problem was the footswitches coming apart, & all the little springs & so forth were loose inside the pedal. a few minutes with a screwdriver & a wrench & it was as good as new, apart from the paint-job. BUT if he'd carried on with it as it was, he would've wrecked the tiny SM microswitches underneath, & probably totalled the PCB. gentlemen, tighten your nuts! d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 17:51:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5837E3BED3; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47559397.1080901@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:51:19 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, peter@RedSunSoundroom.com Subject: Re: bozzio References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <47555C6D.3030107@biink.com> <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> In-Reply-To: <40231.66.162.182.97.1196777612.squirrel@www.redsunsoundroom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:51:24 +0000 (UTC) Ladies and gents, we have a winner! great story... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I worked on the Polytown record back in 1993 as the teaboy. 20 > days of pure bliss--all composed, recorded, and mixed in under > three weeks. That's when David Torn taught me how to loop > (with a PCM 42). During the sessions Jon Durant--who was working > for Lexicon at the time--showed up with this new-fangled thing > David had consulted on, hot off the assembly line: it was called > the Jamman. > > Good times. > > Peter From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:12:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95FDC3BED2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475598A4.7030304@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:12:52 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Chinapainting podcast References: <4755507E.4000402@post.cybercity.dk> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720656FA1C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) Jim and I have posted the first edition of what will hopefully be a monthly podcast. Most of it will be stuff from our Ninjam sessions, but this one consists of four pieces from when we played in Oakland this October, just before the Loopfest. There's a kinda-Frisellian thing, a dark and sinister thing, an acoustic-no-FX thing, and a glitchy drone, plus a wee bit of history in my best radio voice. http://chinapainting.podomatic.com Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 18:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 884173BED8; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:38:46 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, 4 December, 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > > > Per Boysen wrote: > >> I ran a search on "JBL Eon" and found this Brittish 500 W active KAM >> IMS15A speakers that are said to beat the JBL. Company site at >> http://www.kam.co.uk/. I found a Swedish dealer is selling the KAMs for >> half the price now, some sort of introduction campaign it seems. USD 467 >> each that would translate. > > depends what you mean by "beat". > The usual considerations are > > Could just mean they are louder. > > (and they make disco stuff, if you ever heard a uk disco that's scary) > > >> I played on a Bose at the Santa Cruz loopfest last year and thought they >> really sounded good. I played flute and sax that time and especially >> appreciated not having a monitor speaker at my feet. Such spot monitors >> are good when you play with loud rock bands but for live looping you >> really need to listen to the full public output to play what fits in - >> Bose. > > Totally agreed, for Norwich Loopfest I set up the jbls behind the > performers. > ....perfect monitoring. >> >> Andy - why are you wary of separate sub speakers? >> > > It all started with Sub Woofers, a speaker that handled sounds that full > range speakers couldn't reasonably reproduce. That would be in the 20-40Hz > range. With those it didn't matter that they had a separate enclosure. > Those sounded like a lot of fun. > > > Now the "sub" woofers take on the lower frequencies that would otherwise > be handled by the woofer in full range speaker, allowing high volumes of > "hit you in the chest" 50-100Hz frequencies( or higher). These "Sub" > woofers (really they are just woofers) use resonance to boost the volume, > which makes for a slow uneven bass response. > So the "doesn't matter where you put it" theory no longer applies. I concur. Many systems for the home are being marketed as 'surround systems' even though the satellite speakers don't pump out more than 20W apiece. Ugh, I got my first 100W receiver in the 80s and never went back. And, yes, UK discos are frigntening for their abuse of volume. (Remembering that, back in the 70s, a DJ who had it too loud was usually derided for trying to compensate for something personal that was lacking. Now? It's a world where turning up the BPM during a piece is somehow accepted as a kind of dramatic effect.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A808E3BEC7; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 13:05:16 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Stephen Goodman : > > > ... Many systems for the home are being marketed as 'surround > systems' even though the satellite speakers don't pump out more than > 20W apiece. Ugh, I got my first 100W receiver in the 80s and never > went back. > > And, yes, UK discos are frigntening for their abuse of volume. > (Remembering that, back in the 70s, a DJ who had it too loud was > usually derided for trying to compensate for something personal that > was lacking. Now? It's a world where turning up the BPM during a > piece is somehow accepted as a kind of dramatic effect.) > > > My P.A. system consists of five SRM-450's and two SWA1501 (subs). All =20 my mixes are done in surround sound -- my RME800 unit does a folddown =20 to stereo so that I can play in situations where surround is not =20 available (or where I only take part of my PA system). I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add that I apply EQ to my =20 mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In general, when moving =20 away from a speaker the high end drops off faster than the low end. =20 For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from 3 feet away but =20 may sound just fine from 20 feet away. One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a way to produce =20 loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. Sometimes, a =20 two-channel setup will blast out people seated in the speakers' hot =20 spots. To spread out the sound over multiple channels helps to =20 prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a digital organ the =20 sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, and 4 room-modelling =20 channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if being overly =20 loud, even when I crank it up!) The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very even. Some of the =20 cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok for car crash and =20 explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript for music. Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about my setup with all =20 the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too hard, admittedly. A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and the provided =20 system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear them from my =20 position on the stage however they seemed to work well. =20 Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which deprived the =20 listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I was the only one =20 who knew about the missing notes. :) All the other acts from that =20 stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the Eon's worked fine =20 for that application. I have also played through and heard others play through the Bose PAS. =20 Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to do surround sound =20 (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If you can get by with =20 a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:25:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E08CD3BEC1; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:25:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=t+DN70YQrfreBqX7hHJsL+PDSgXLEzb3EO72OxkEPJH6Tna0v5eCdfI2NR/lejkJ7px5hPCIPNt2xV1Ibb1g/focmKvKKGIcF+3zPXq49vUKDmK62a/2KWtkF2M942+bT/emzrPVT+ujSdpi1QDdRPF95kJszIT+2DoDFZNgZGM=; X-YMail-OSG: s2mZMBEVM1mSlHrezui0rdQ3_M4aSURQWlntTrOjj5bcBJpUoJK36E9Ol.5i62gz9oaqs8B7qaKt6Q9sCiXbA1D4WhZV_Fu.Zs9DISaNDCOB_hMQdN3dpVNCq_2fsLVcfwDDNM_TCnouR1EKvRGMnrMSfQ-- Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:18:30 -0800 (PST) From: S V G Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071203182027.806013BEC7@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:25:10 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, Agreed! Take for example the composer Olivier Messiaen who was interned (against his will) as a doctor in a German concentration camp. It was there that he composed the 'Quartet for the End of Time' and it was performed there for the entire camp... prisoners, guards, and staff. He said later that at no time in his entire career did he feel as 'understood' as at that performance. Sometimes it takes extraordinary conditions... Stephen (and no Travis, I'm not invoking Godwin's law here...) Chris Sewell schrieb: > I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average > audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the audience usually expects. Exactly that is the artistic challenge! Stefan ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 19:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 336C43BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:33:24 -0500 References: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Now thats a tough room. On Dec 4, 2007, at 2:18 PM, S V G wrote: > > Stefan, > > Agreed! Take for example the composer Olivier Messiaen who was > interned (against his will) > as a doctor in a German concentration camp. It was there that he > composed the 'Quartet for the > End of Time' and it was performed there for the entire camp... > prisoners, guards, and staff. He > said later that at no time in his entire career did he feel as > 'understood' as at that > performance. > > Sometimes it takes extraordinary conditions... > > Stephen > > (and no Travis, I'm not invoking Godwin's law here...) > > > Chris Sewell schrieb: >> I love what all the hardcore loopers do here, but for the average >> audience member its unlistenable( Please, no offense meant). > > The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by > organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no > matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the > audience usually expects. > Exactly that is the artistic challenge! > > Stefan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 21:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42C123BEB6; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 634978147-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.168.161 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANZSVUdPSqih/2dsb2JhbACCKY55mGs Message-ID: <4755C40A.8010401@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:18:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> <47553B8C.3090401@tiscali.co.uk> <00b301c836a4$dc918580$0201a8c0@eluk1> <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <-WRJUC.A.zgE.LQcVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:18:03 +0000 (UTC) > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very even. Frequency Response 36 Hz–120 Hz according to Mackie (no +-dB range given) ...so not low enough for a 6 string bass (lowest note 30Hz) > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about my setup with all the > Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too hard, admittedly. > Sorry, I probably went overboard on the criticism of the Mackie speakers. Compared to the average pa speaker I guess they're pretty good. Actually, I'd be quite keen to hear your setup from the description you give ;-) For Michael's diverse frame drums and layered vocals, though , I'd definitely go for the jbls. andy butler From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Tue Dec 4 21:49:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 34224 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 21:49:52 UTC Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8EC13BEAF for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 21:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IzWjO-00070N-Jp for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:30 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! From: GoGo Cards Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:18:30 +0300
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 22:20:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4E413BEC5; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005a01c836c3$dccbde50$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Bozzio Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:20:22 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:20:23 +0000 (UTC) Years ago, Missing Persons played the Civic Auditorium here in Santa Cruz. I had a gig that night and was incredibly bummed that I couldn't go see the show (they had torn it up the first time they came to the Catayst before they got big). After my gig I went to the Crepe Place (in it's old location) late in the evening and Terry and Dale Bozzio were sitting at a booth having a late meal. I nervously came up to them and said, "Gosh, I'm a huge fan of yours but I was so bummed that you guys played tonight and I couldn't go because I had a gig booked that I couldn't get out of." Terry said, "Oh thanks a lot for sharing that, would you like to sit down and have a meal with us.?" I was just blown away. I sat down and we had a meal together. Both Terry and Dale were amazingly nice people...........really unpretentious, intelligent, very funny with no 'star' vibe whatsoever. They had a really cool rapport with each other too and I was sad when they broke up in later years. They seemed made for each other (not that I know the story). That encounter had a huge impact on me. ******************************* Another thing I always dug about Terry was that he was unafraid to express himself in the way he dressed. He was wearing makeup and had black finger nail polish and a really cool look that these days would be considered goth. There was something about that really dark look with a truly genuine and kind human being that was really touching. I've always admired men who have the courage to press the boundaries of what's accepted in men's fashion in this culture. I've had the pleasure of meeting him a few times since then at Clinics and NAMM shows and he's always been really friendly (even though I"m sure he doesn't remember me at all). The other thing that's amazing about him is that he is making an entire living by playing solo drum concerts with no augmentation (looping, special effects, sequences, et. al.). That is just unprecedented in the musical world these days and takes almost superhuman skill. He's an amazing pioneer and I am a gigantic fan of his musical artistry. From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Tue Dec 4 22:32:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409C03BEB0 for ; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1IzgIX-000817-9o for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:31:25 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! From: GoGo Cards Content-Type: text/html Message-Id: Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:31:25 +0300
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 22:58:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B0333BEC2; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c836c9$2c73eba0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <47550FAA.9090209@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-XlXrC.A.YsH.6tdVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 22:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Yes, I've worked with JBL Eons a couple of times, but I think that there are a range of different models. I use the Mackie SRM450s in my PA and whilst I have the sub, I don't always need to use it, I wouldn't for frame drums as they don't go down low enough. I've been very happy with them. How about a good acoustic combo like an AER for example? Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > hi Michael, > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't colour > the sound a lot. > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's expensive, and relies > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd be very wary of). > > > > andy butler > michael wall wrote: >> Aloha >> >> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already deeply in love >> >> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two for a useful amp or >> p.a. to run it through. >> >> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by just fine acoustically >> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 people. What I'll be >> looping are: >> >> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide sonic range) >> a variety of hand percussion >> multiple layers of vocals >> >> i'm interested in something reasonably portable. I have looked at the >> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be happy with a single >> source speaker system as well. >> >> Those of you working in scenes which don't require massive volume, I'd >> be grateful for any recommendations. >> >> thanks! >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 4 23:48:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5557D3BEB0; Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:48:26 +0000 (UTC) I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal through the actual tube. In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signal through the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I believe in the $170-$200 range). Can anyone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small that sounds good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? thanks, in advance, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 00:59:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9C3A3BEB0; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <50013.69.59.203.72.1196816394.squirrel@webmail.peak.org> In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:59:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps From: improv@peak.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: "LOOPERS DELIGHT" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.116 (*) NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:59:56 +0000 (UTC) I'd recommend the Electro Harmonix 12ay7 Tube Mic Pre. It's a small mono full-voltage tube preamp that sounds really wonderful, and you can usually find it for around $160. I have 2 and I like them slightly less than my Neve's, which cost about 10x. The only negatives I see in the EH's is that they are relatively low gain, they are fine with most condensers or dynamics, but don't have enough gain to really handle ribbon mics. Also, it doesn't feel like the most solidly built box. But it really sound wonderful, I like running cheap Chinese small diaphragm condensers through it to tame their harshness. > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > through the actual tube. > > In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended > a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signal > through > the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I believe in the > $170-$200 > range). > > Can anyone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small > that sounds good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg? > > thanks, in advance, > > Rick > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 01:57:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0888E3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:59:57 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: bozzio + To: Message-id: <000a01c83643$488d7d00$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:57:41 +0000 (UTC) Wow. This brings back a happy memory. I saw The Mark Isham Band when they played the Somerville Theatre in Cambridge MA at David Square, Wednesday Oct 12th 1988. Terry Bozzio and Mick Karn were in that band. Bozzio had black cymbals as I remember it. He was perched over his drums ready to whack them if they should move. Another percussionist / multi-insrumentalist was in the band as I remember it. It was an a m a z i n g show and has always stayed with me as one of the best shows I have *ever* seen. Maybe I was just in the right place in my life, but few shows have had such a glow about them for me as this one. Searching on line, I found this: http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_108/TECH_V108_S0733_P011.pdf It seems that night I also had opportunities to see The Titanics across the street at Johnny D's, The Stray Cats at Axis, The Radiators at The Channel, or John Cage lecturing earlier in the day at Harvard University! What an amazing selection! David P.S. I'm still offering ambient music 'n' downloads at http://www.myspace.com/undomusic ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:33 AM Subject: Re: bozzio > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: > >Daryl Shawn wrote: > >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham > >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- > >Polytown. > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > > I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first > came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 > or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. > > Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 02:07:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 943A43BEB2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071204200751.iynai46j484wok0o@69.89.21.76> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 20:07:51 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: computers suck creative energy References: <270879.3978.qm@web52808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <3D9B5929-11FE-4672-917C-741FD1B1805F@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:07:53 +0000 (UTC) >> >> The average audience member is highly underrated. Especially by >> organisers. If the music is done well, you can reach any audience, no >> matter how far away you are from the mainstream or from what the >> audience usually expects. >> Exactly that is the artistic challenge! >> >> Stefan >> Stefan's statement (quoted above) pretty much sums up my philosophy =20 towards my electronic music/theremin/looping performances. While there is never a guarantee that every performance will reach the =20 audience, there is always the possibility. I'd rather pursue =20 possibilities rather than beat my head against barriers (real or =20 imagined.) I have been in situations where I really didn't know how my music =20 would be recieved and have been pleasantly surprised. I find that if =20 I am well-prepared and confident that the music comes through and I =20 get a good reaction from listeners. As this thread "computers suck creative energy" has progressed, I have =20 thought about the topic and concluded that there are a lot of things =20 that suck creative energy (fatigue, negativism). However, computers =20 have served me well. Yes, equipment and computers can take me off on =20 unproductive tangents. However, my unproductive tangents were more =20 time-consuming before personal computers became available. Now, I =20 can waste time quickly and efficiently. **grins** -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 03:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63A603BEB0; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2007 22:55:22 -0500 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: bozzio + ISHAM To: Message-id: <001c01c836f2$a99d4120$0affff0a@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000a01c83643$488d7d00$0affff0a@hppav> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 03:53:07 +0000 (UTC) I might add that the day I received a myspace friend request and a really kind comment on my music from Mark Isham was quite a special day for me. :-) Isham's 'Vapor Drawings' is a very special collection of music for me. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kirkdorffer" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 1:59 AM Subject: Re: bozzio + > Wow. This brings back a happy memory. > > I saw The Mark Isham Band when they played the Somerville Theatre in > Cambridge MA at David Square, Wednesday Oct 12th 1988. Terry Bozzio and > Mick Karn were in that band. Bozzio had black cymbals as I remember it. He > was perched over his drums ready to whack them if they should move. Another > percussionist / multi-insrumentalist was in the band as I remember it. It > was an a m a z i n g show and has always stayed with me as one of the > best shows I have *ever* seen. Maybe I was just in the right place in my > life, but few shows have had such a glow about them for me as this one. > > Searching on line, I found this: > http://www-tech.mit.edu/archives/VOL_108/TECH_V108_S0733_P011.pdf > > It seems that night I also had opportunities to see The Titanics across the > street at Johnny D's, The Stray Cats at Axis, The Radiators at The Channel, > or John Cage lecturing earlier in the day at Harvard University! What an > amazing selection! > > David > > P.S. I'm still offering ambient music 'n' downloads at > http://www.myspace.com/undomusic > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mech" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 2:33 AM > Subject: Re: bozzio > > > > At 10:35 PM -0500 12/3/07, David Beardsley wrote: > > >Daryl Shawn wrote: > > >>My favorite playing of his is with the loop-heavy David Torn record > > >>"Polytown", with the bassist Mick Karn. All those different cymbal > > >>colors, pitched toms, etc., is really well suited for that trio. > > >>Karn's playing has that indefinite "world/middle-eastern" kind of > > >>feel, and Torn often goes that way too, which fits in great with > > >>Bozzio's instrument(s). I listen to it all the time. > > > > > >When I heard those guys, they were called the Mark Isham > > >Group. At least I think they were. I'm pretty sure this was pre- > > >Polytown. > > > > I'm not sure, but it sounds like you might actually be referring to > > Group 87, perhaps? Group 87 was Bozzio with Mark Isham, Patrick > > O'Hearn, and Peter Maunu. > > > > I remember picking up "A Career in Dada Processing" when it first > > came out on vinyl. Loved it. That woulda been... oh f*ck, like 1984 > > or thereabouts?!? Geez, now I feel old. > > > > Great group. If that's the lineup you saw, I'm envious. :) > > > > --m. > > -- > > _____ > > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 06:00:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05F6C3BEC5; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3346 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:00:17 UTC Message-ID: <000201c836fc$511ef160$3232a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <911977.23057.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: FC-300 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:59:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-DCC-debian-Metrics: snail 1169; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:00:17 +0000 (UTC) ahhhh, how cute. As a lover of microscopic things (micro organisms, guitars, amps, etc), this is right down my alley! I wonder how it compares in tone with the Roland Microcube. The MIDI Moose makes a good companion to any of these smaller amps. I could do a gig in a phone booth with my mini guitar, microcube, computer, and MIDI Moose. Add another person, and I'd have to replace the computer and MIDI Moose with my Boss RC-2. Add a third person, and I loop with just my voice. No more people, please. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- Ahh... si, Per just looking for some tiny and cheap MIDI controlers of any kind.. same as this behringer, http://www.behringer.com/BCN44/index.cfm?lang=eng which i own one and lets me do some manual crossfades and quick tweakings with midi learn function.. ... or this beauty ... http://www.orangeamps.com/crush/microcrush/ I find small gear amusing and... cheaper! Thanks for the info Per, raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 06:01:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A5C373BEAC; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:01:45 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.7.63] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 05:49:44 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 05:49:44.0766 (UTC) FILETIME=[A334ADE0:01C83702] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:01:45 +0000 (UTC) --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick:=20 Presonus makes both mono and stereo versions of their mic pre...very good l= ittle pre. =20 For a little more there is a very nice tube preamp by Summit Audio which yo= u may be able to find on ebay in your price range (used). =20 Max> From: looppool@cruzio.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Su= bject: inexpensive small true mic preamps> Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -= 0800> > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier> tha= t has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre.> > If memory serve= s me correctly, there was thread here where> someone said that the inexpens= ive tube mic pres, like the Art> where not true tube pres, sending only a s= mall amount of the signal> through the actual tube.> > In that thread , if = it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended> a small stereo tube preamp= lifier that actually passed all the signal through> the tube and also was n= ot prohibitively expensive (I believe in the > $170-$200> range).> > Can an= yone refresh my memory or at least recommend something, small> that sounds = good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?> > thanks, in advance,> > Rick >=20 _________________________________________________________________ You keep typing, we keep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Init= iative now. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=3DTAGLM= --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick:
Presonus makes both mono and stereo versions of their mic pre...very good l= ittle pre.
 
For a little more there is a very nice tube preamp by Summit Audio which yo= u may be able to find on ebay in your price range (used).
 
Max

> From: looppool@cruzio.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com
> Subject: inexpensive small true mic preamps
> = Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:48:24 -0800
>
> I want to get either = a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier
> that has a small footprin= t and also is a true tube mic pre.
>
> If memory serves me cor= rectly, there was thread here where
> someone said that the inexpensi= ve tube mic pres, like the Art
> where not true tube pres, sending on= ly a small amount of the signal
> through the actual tube.
> > In that thread , if it was indeed, here, someone highly recommended<= BR>> a small stereo tube preamplifier that actually passed all the signa= l through
> the tube and also was not prohibitively expensive (I beli= eve in the
> $170-$200
> range).
>
> Can anyone r= efresh my memory or at least recommend something, small
> that sounds= good and doesn't cost an arm and a leg?
>
> thanks, in advanc= e,
>
> Rick
>


You keep typing, we k= eep giving. Download Messenger and join the i=92m Initiative now. Join in! = --_e9703ead-36da-4283-b70a-45eaf1b7c91b_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D45A23BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=V1CCbw24GKZ9IVMUWFn85OVYvHDgMP4QLp9wJxM42NizNM0fz19/PVfzoL035Qp1DRdD15OyAEIsixhu0QZ6VfF21v83JtSYSRvMVgpRK8VAR5YY7qFRilDCjtrjMb0fYR1S1wKtIuIt/E/YzM0AVinlDfFR5D0HW5neF0GUwxs=; X-YMail-OSG: 0CyOMPQVM1kxg3CxJrjt7QZ1v2C1IywTLYhzvCPQM3.y5HCgy0HL9ikBsnETikTVjgOvfqxQcqyxHz4p0_q1tfLvbicDbtGX3iaiBlm9.uIoYsRSUuN.gc6VW1uJug-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:14:36 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c836c9$2c73eba0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <600346.17453.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:14:37 +0000 (UTC) I have the RCF 310a which are really natural sounding i still have to test them in a band situation but i am satisfied with them and they only weight 12kilos. If u can still find them the yamahas sm150 are amazing but they dont make them anymore,they have 12"s on them and the most compact and powerful ive tested so far in this category,they also only weight about 20kilos i guess they were meant as monitors so make sure you ge the mount adaptors! Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > Yes, I've worked with JBL Eons a couple of times, > but I think that there are > a range of different models. I use the Mackie > SRM450s in my PA and whilst I > have the sub, I don't always need to use it, I > wouldn't for frame drums as > they don't go down low enough. I've been very happy > with them. > > How about a good acoustic combo like an AER for > example? > > Ian. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "andy butler" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 8:28 AM > Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation > > > > hi Michael, > > Suggest you check out JBL Eon speakers. > > These are the only pa speakers I know that don't > colour > > the sound a lot. > > ( haven't tried the Bose pa setup, but that's > expensive, and relies > > on separate "sub" woofers which is something I'd > be very wary of). > > > > > > > > andy butler > > michael wall wrote: > >> Aloha > >> > >> my RC-50 arrived this morning and I am already > deeply in love > >> > >> i'm writing to ask for a recommendation or two > for a useful amp or > >> p.a. to run it through. > >> > >> I'm a percussionist/singer who usually gets by > just fine acoustically > >> - venues I work in never have more than 50-75 > people. What I'll be > >> looping are: > >> > >> frames drums (a pretty quiet drum with a wide > sonic range) > >> a variety of hand percussion > >> multiple layers of vocals > >> > >> i'm interested in something reasonably portable. > I have looked at the > >> Fender Passport P80 P.A. system, but could be > happy with a single > >> source speaker system as well. > >> > >> Those of you working in scenes which don't > require massive volume, I'd > >> be grateful for any recommendations. > >> > >> thanks! > >> > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:37:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9573BEB2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MmSkLmtlDa2YiQ5AegY5G3XsaP4WeqMrO0bOqb5NYdCbDIhQiPSHKBT99Ll6t1mfZ2WQ3SxOM0rfDWtZ+XzjKHFzQC2il+ehtZ+eIhWFfZYMuwTJ0MK3+VYiVqQw/wRrH0RBdDEYp6j/GXSPVCnnG1OMvTsmnymt58MdCLN5Pcc=; X-YMail-OSG: UNNIrksVM1mLdqbsjy7Md_5PcEqBcsgn4RGVTY40eIhRoo8Lrg5FhIY_WxEb_YpYFw-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:37:02 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071204130516.anh5f9ydussog8gw@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Thats interesting ive played with the 450s for years and i always thought they sounded too brittle and hissy but that is just my opinion.I also found them a bit heavy to carry,this is why i recently opted for the RCFs,they are only 300 watts with a 10" but they sound big have a nice spread out sound and weight a lot less,and i am also thinking of adding the Db technologies sub 15 subwoofer for that nice thump.I dont know how it is in the states but here people are very sensitive to loudness(except for the church bells beer festivals and carnavals offocurse)sometimes they even start asking if its going to be too loud before you even start playing!so this is what made me choose this speakers,i mean how loud do we need it or whats a nice and loud level for 300 to 400 hundred people venues or pubs which wont be sending people out the door calling the cops?has this been mesured or anybody has a link? and bigger venues often have their own sound systems anyway so why kill my back! cheers Luis > > I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add > that I apply EQ to my > mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In > general, when moving > away from a speaker the high end drops off faster > than the low end. > For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from > 3 feet away but > may sound just fine from 20 feet away. > > One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a > way to produce > loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. > Sometimes, a > two-channel setup will blast out people seated in > the speakers' hot > spots. To spread out the sound over multiple > channels helps to > prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a > digital organ the > sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, > and 4 room-modelling > channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if > being overly > loud, even when I crank it up!) > > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very > even. Some of the > cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok > for car crash and > explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript > for music. > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about > my setup with all > the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too > hard, admittedly. > > A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and > the provided > system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear > them from my > position on the stage however they seemed to work > well. > Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which > deprived the > listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I > was the only one > who knew about the missing notes. :) All the > other acts from that > stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the > Eon's worked fine > for that application. > > I have also played through and heard others play > through the Bose PAS. > Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to > do surround sound > (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If > you can get by with > a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. > > -- Kevin > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 08:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2597C3BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 637823639-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.248.242 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAI70VUdPSvjy/2dsb2JhbACCKakO Message-ID: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:48:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9K5H3B.A.Yo.WXmVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Rick Walker wrote: > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > through the actual tube. > hi Rick Yep, someone said that, but the reality is that a "true tube" pre means that the first bit of circuitry that a mic comes to is a special low noise high gain pentode valve that amplifies the signal up to line level. What cheaper models (and most of the more expensive ones)do is use an IC for that first stage and then pass the signal through a cheaper line level valve stage. "true tubes" aren't that common though, they're a bit noisier than the transistor equivalents. I get the feeling that some devices called "true tube" don't have the pentode. In any case, the "real thing" isn't cheap. Generally adding a tube is a way of marketing a pre-amp where the actual amplification is done by a cheap circuit. Good mic pres are expensive :-( ....but they make an awful lot of difference. I actually think you'd be better off getting a good transistor pre, (Focusrite stuff is getting cheaper) and then if you need tube sound get hold of a compressor of EQ that has a valve in the circuit. ...but hopefully some helpful LDer knows a reasonable enough pre with a valve on board somewhere for a bit of that valve color that you're after. andy From a@mx.eposgroup.ru Wed Dec 5 12:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from mx.eposgroup.ru (mx.eposgroup.ru [212.111.90.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 128CD3BEA9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from a by mx.eposgroup.ru with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Iztjz-0003Dz-Go for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:52:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You have a greeting card that is waiting for you at GoGoCards.com! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 12:54:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 522FB3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.239.161] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:41 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> References: <972A7951-E289-4AD1-9EED-4981BBE5AA30@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 12:54:41.0517 (UTC) FILETIME=[007421D0:01C8373E] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:54:43 +0000 (UTC) --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this worked pretty well for me in a similar situation as long as you didnt = leave anything "open" on the first set for instance in my set up I had my h= ome made FCB replacement , then a splitter (A OR B) theneach of these conne= cted into each echoplex via a Y cable , then the spare input of each Y cabl= e being summed back to another echoplex controller via yet another Y cable = (controlling A AND B) If I had left one of the echoplexs on overdub then be= gan using the A AND B controller, it obviously began cycling one echoplex o= verdub on and the others off (which actually once i was awar of it could be= REALLY COOL for distributing one signal over a stereo pair) =20 Phill MyOneManBand =20 www.myspace.com/myonemanband > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Fro= m: lochheed@cox.net> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pe= dals> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700> > Hello -> > I've converted 7 B= oss foot switches to handle the various functions > on my two Echoplexes. T= he pedals were gutted and fitted with the > proper resistors and wired in s= eries with standard patch cables The > setup works wonderfully! The feel of= the Boss switching is more > familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switche= s are certainly lasting > longer! In order to cut down the size of my board= , I'm using a Boss > LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss= pedals between > the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echo= plex with a > simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in s= tereo, > they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and a= re > always looping something different.> > Here's what's next for my setup= ....> > I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control t= he > Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME > T= IME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will.> > Te= ll me if you think this scenario will fly...> > After the 1/4" foot switch = cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs= . Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal int= o both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "me= rge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs indepe= ndently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop fo= r both.> > In theory, it sound like it should work.> > Any thoughts?> > Ada= m> > http://www.myspace.com/lochheed> > > >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml= --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this worked pretty well for me in a similar situation as long as you didnt = leave anything "open" on the first set for instance in my set up I had my h= ome made FCB replacement , then a splitter (A OR B) theneach of these conne= cted into each echoplex via a Y cable , then the spare input of each Y= cable being summed back to another echoplex controller via yet another Y c= able (controlling A AND B) If I had left one of the echoplexs on = overdub then began using the A AND B controller, it obviously began cycling= one echoplex overdub on and the others off (which actually once i was awar= of it could be REALLY COOL for distributing one signal over a stereo pair)=
 
Phill MyOneManBand
 
www.myspace.com/myonemanban= d

> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> From: lo= chheed@cox.net
> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss = Pedals
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700
>
> Hello = -
>
> I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the variou= s functions
> on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitte= d with the
> proper resistors and wired in series with standard patc= h cables The
> setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switchi= ng is more
> familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are cert= ainly lasting
> longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I= 'm using a Boss
> LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom = Boss pedals between
> the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control = either Echoplex with a
> simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes a= ren't running in stereo,
> they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs = go to separate amps and are
> always looping something different.>
> Here's what's next for my setup....
>
> I'd lik= e to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the
> Rec= ord, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME
> TI= ME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will.
>= ;
> Tell me if you think this scenario will fly...
>
> = After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits
&g= t; two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record,
&= gt; Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll
>= probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to
&= gt; have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both.
&g= t;
> In theory, it sound like it should work.
>
> Any t= houghts?
>
> Adam
>
> http://www.myspace.com/loch= heed
>
>
>
>


Get closer to t= he jungle. I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here! = --_87e88464-63f9-4f40-a88a-e777b42238fe_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 13:21:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9B43BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:21:42 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=CDT9Vj5N7e61u+F0rRwp+mll4LEkgu6j/GnvVL1Oa9wF3cRl1Uj529c7pGiBZP5PrzqQSTFe6DZcRrm0lmfZuV5MmKQd3CcK97SVtNvVJ2ovEG7rn9hkiJC01Jdk/DgzZ5BKwX6jXgxjpaSpVFmG5UxOj3LNcsilvcrIHhA1JTc= ; X-YMail-OSG: HzXFfooVM1kOY69RCBbKeohFg9Ls6QqxZudtqoneCVK3T.jgzpKQYJ.nH_iUGIfkP.oEqtMMq7KZiLafdv30__EBqmhyCB93oFcTdxg.G3c9JoGV2Q-- Message-ID: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Infinite loopazoide looper Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:14:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5eelHD.A.6XG.mXqVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Hello, I just came accross this little software looper. I don't think this has already been discussed on this list (Srry if this is already known stuff) OVERVIEW Infinite loopazoide looper is a 4 phrase sampler/recorder for live use based on delay engines. It's a kind of Frippertronics. This plugin is for windows operating systems only. FEATURES -Host or manual tap tempo sync -Click track ( metronome ) -4 true stereo loop/delay players perfectly sync to tempo -Up to 60 seconds per loop -Low pass damper , feedback, volume, pan, mute settings for each loop/delay - 4 stereo outputs bus to apply your favorites effects or route each loop where you want. -Wav File recorder to capture your live performance ( formats: 16 bits mono/stereo ; 24 bits mono/stereo) -Ability to record stereo or mono input signal -Skin's color defined by the user -Fully automatable link: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/numerikart/products.htm Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 14:40:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 125183BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:40:12 UTC Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.206.196.28] From: simeon harris To: Subject: RE: Facebook pages for musicians Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:35:10 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> References: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 14:35:10.0442 (UTC) FILETIME=[09F914A0:01C8374C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) i got me one of those... http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=3D225531659= 84 hit me up with some fan action! sim _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting =96 Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:38:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC5343BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1798 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:38:09 UTC Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 10:10:01 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004601c83755$0ac6aec0$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:09 +0000 (UTC) I've been doing an acoustic gig for the past four-five months using a JBL Eon as a monitor. It kicks major butt. I love it to death. It is so powerful yet neutral, it's what I wish the USA was. I just turned 54, I've been playing all kinds of gigs all my life, and these are the best speakers I've played through. (The venue owns the PA system, by the way. They actually put some serious money into a good sound system!) I've heard Mackie SRM450s on a couple of occasions, and thought they were really pretty good, but a bit "woofy" in the low mids - I had the impression I was hearing the plastic housing resonate in a funny way. The JBL Eons don't have that. They feel like a brick in the low end. I'm buying a pair as soon as I can afford them. (Although I am very intrigued by the RCF310a speakers that Luis posted about....) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A853BEB6; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:59:42 -0500 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <003101c83750$d81dc480$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:31 +0000 (UTC) > Rick Walker wrote: > > I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier > > that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. > > > > If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where > > someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art > > where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal > > through the actual tube. Let me preface this by saying that I have found very little need for a tube pre in either recording or live applications so far. I don't own another dedicated mic pre besides the ART Tube MP. I own two ART Tube MPs - the ones Musician Friend has been blowing out at $30 each, with the little analog VU meter on the face. A couple of months ago I had my studio assistant test one of them for "tube coloration." I gave her a box of 12AX7s, 12AT7s, 12AU7s, etc.; one of those MXL 990 series microphones; and a pair of Grado headphones. (So we're talking lowest of the low budget stuff. Bear with me.) She opened up the Tube MP, popped in a tube, and talked into the mic while listening with the Grados. Then she wrote down some comments on the sound. She went through over 40 tubes this way. The range of results was huge. Everything from "dull, muddy" to "warm, reserved" to "neutral" to ""bright" to "aggressive" to "edgy, raspy at high gain" to... you get the picture. Is this or is this not a "true tube pre?" I ask this somewhat innocently. I think that the ART Tube MP is running on a "starved plate" circuit, because I think that a 12A-7-type tube requires some heavy voltage to run in its normal range and of course the ART Tube MP is running on a little 12V wall wart. But so what? My assistant (whose ears are very trustworthy, and whose verbal skills are excellent) could hear and communicate significant differences between different tubes in this preamp. This little sucker also has a very pleasant compressor/limiter circuit, and many budget-minded engineers have called it their "Swiss Army knife" of audio signal manipulation. At $30, and with a few 12A-7 tubes, you could have a field day. One warning: the ribbon of wires that connects the base of the tube socket to the circuit board is VERY FRAGILE. As she was finishing up the testing, my assistant thought that the last couple of tubes didn't work. Then we saw that the ribbon had broken. Oh well, it was worth $30. I'm gonna buy a couple more. Discuss "true tube preamps" all you want, but I will pay closest attention to those who speak directly from experience. Has anyone done some tube swapping with the ART Tube MP and compared it to other tube pres? Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 15:51:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E1183BEA9; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 718 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:51:07 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.11.225] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:38:59 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Dec 2007 15:39:09.0245 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA13EED0:01C83754] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:51:07 +0000 (UTC) --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick: I have not bee very pleased with the ART stuff (altho' a lot of people are.= ..but then I am picky). The Presonus Tube Pre (which comes in single and d= ual channel versions) is quite nice and very affordable...but it still does= n't compare with the higher class (and costs) tube pres. Nonetheless, it is= quite a bargain at around $100 (mono). =20 I cannot remember the model of the Summit piece....but it was quite nice in= a 1/2 rack size. True tube...very well made and sounded superb, but was u= p around $400 (IIRC). =20 If your budget extends, then the UA solo 610 would be a VERY nice addition.= It is a very nice tube mic pre DI which is quite portable. But, in that same price range, I might throw out a suggestion of a VERY nic= e SS pre:Chameleon Labs 7602 which is a Neve clone...and a very good clone = (almost exact..but for several thousand $ less). =20 Max _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.=A0 Join i= n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline= --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rick:
I have not bee very pleased with the ART stuff (altho' a lot of people are.= ..but then I am picky).  The Presonus Tube Pre (which comes in single = and dual channel versions) is quite nice and very affordable...but it still= doesn't compare with the higher class (and costs) tube pres. Nonetheless, = it is quite a bargain at around $100 (mono).
 
I cannot remember the model of the Summit piece....but it was quite nice in= a 1/2 rack size.  True tube...very well made and sounded superb, but = was up around $400 (IIRC).
 
If your budget extends, then the UA solo 610 would be a VERY nice addition.=   It is a very nice tube mic pre DI which is quite portable.
But, in that same price range, I might throw out a suggestion of a VERY nic= e SS pre:Chameleon Labs 7602 which is a Neve clone...and a very good clone = (almost exact..but for several thousand $ less).
 
Max


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Join in! = --_847a0701-a043-4780-be6d-4ccced823444_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 16:41:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F096F3BEC2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 418 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:41:17 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dgz/uKuojLM4Mgnjfo7qHYGsOKiCsIiZvEffmcxf0oI=; b=Ll0oLdq0xR7xLCysiKn6EV7iMm/bIEd+uD7DVys4lRfNH5ed9o0SEQT2e8w0aD0McPuuECZDYtehU8mF4jqpnG9anuYlooH/8HzE/ijfh8LBS4wzCmvnGj2y1pKooOyhPCQcrKlVnuokjnwsuQkkOyBxgchxIG8GINhmr7q5psM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hPnzGfz5QdsEOT/1xTmxREt/35qho3TCy1Wrz873l9HS5FgOYlaZLHWSJEmjnlIXa3X1ghunUOskrhLcHaX7Nm/xFFh8vRfT5asCUvV9aXwpFFrzfy/pmQy0LXYzBzg9XgjrV+NniRP2yBZxfQt5N68y+svmOmqfdovXGOCmbFo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712050834j31d693ebp609d6a771899c0da@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:34:16 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Infinite loopazoide looper In-Reply-To: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <044401c83740$d6d1afc0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:41:17 +0000 (UTC) Looks cool. I had to read the manual to figure out if it was a VST plug in (it is). It says it has feedback--I wonder if that changes Midi velocity level? Definitely worth a download--Thanks Ben! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:17:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D18703BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:17:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1096 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 05 Dec 2007 17:17:09 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=8xpuJ58DI51amqd0V8bvfWN32ZLd+QXzJMzYRBjCiOg=; b=VlFuBQQ0O4KOuk/+K6JvRHrNqBjvzbwSBFp4CPcxH/wLOJvvfNa4QuIxPcWcSBiEyd1m8kwcEd29RWyO9uGL5WQFlTBVB3ktfUcvkXX5/iSIBXUQljCSJt322GdBlJMkvXKehxwlAcqwkp1hA5BpLO69dO274eFRLy55xLsF7iI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rlcql6U5Xs2ZiW4ho+zRI23Se2Vo+W8vEM5+yegZeF8duh057M8Tt7sFmZHbNQMq+MML7uFhmH/Uhk+8edO9Mw/VOLkF6m6HkaEYkdSXNyZ6uAza15ej1uh6VgzDe+7T5oqr7a0AtpDRwZY4oTMjcCfo9poH3l+Nf1XXCKPXwCI= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:52:28 -1000 From: "michael wall" Sender: drumaloha@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Amp/P.A. Recommendation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5075b71b593e5e60 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:17:09 +0000 (UTC) thanks for all the great info everyone! -- Michael Wall Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and fire are of us! 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:34:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C39033BEAF; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=3tnCkvpbTGWJg4E1Z4WBnPi4cNlzydunNb73hlDsJ+o=; b=vNxhj1MejOhbiDYZhvob4rfw3FvFrQGOI1DJerF9zY8yDpkpd+8dk1yf7w4bzElUbGampsxGaI32jUU5W1eKsxaU/dq9qu4FtU8fCFY7RqD0IEbH8OfwYvKegvcNv0C5/DanLoCqodNfnk+LDvzcJ+xXUBGwW+r+yn1HVS4CZ6I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jR3gY3QKoNn8mcuz1DpyDo7fz7sM92IkDffsVarSgaJBgcZM8X6+ZVIkr3RPOnwZAyNyn/oNGs149WkmOoegykjsqau18xluidJnNJBaNBspZGWJevNiIbcpG39yPyt85qunVFfuuEMt9DoW1nqJnSV0dMWgxbELe+iB5lpU6xU= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:34:50 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <-3fvCC.A.rgF.9EuVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:34:53 +0000 (UTC) I like the ART tube MP Studio. I use it with my guitar in front of a M-Audio revolution 5.1 PCI soundcard. I like a very high gain, distorted guitar sound, and the ART let's me add some grit and gain at the beginning of the signal chain. So my observations may not apply to different, cleaner instrument applications. At one point I had an M-Audio audio buddy, Art Tube MP studio, Studio Projects VTB-1 and Behringer ultragain preamp all in the same room. To my ear the VTB-1 sounded best, but the ART was very, very close and a lot cheaper. The Behringer had an abrupt decay at the tail end of soft notes that was _very_ noticeable with high gain guitar. The audio buddy didn't have adjustments for both input and output levels, so it wasn't as useful for my application. I returned the others and kept the Tube MP. I also tried a Rolls preamp that mounts in a 3.5" computer drive bay. It's a cool idea, but the Rolls picked up noise from the computer and was unusable. The Studio Projects VTB-1 is only around $100 and is worth a listen: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Studio-Projects-VTB1-Tube-Blend-Mic-Preamp?sku=180360 These are all starved plate (not "true tube") designs, but they sound good to my ear. I gather preamps are like speakers and can be a matter of individual taste. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 17:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 827023BECD; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4756E36D.4060208@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 11:44:13 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712050934p478fbe0ak781a8290f1b6481c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) I bought a VTB-1 last year after reading a lot of reviews and auditioning the Art and M-Audio against it - I found both of them to have a bit of harshness as compared to the VTB, and I decided the VTB was definitely worth the relatively small additional cost. I've been extremely pleased with it, especially the features such as a pot for amount of tube coloration (I find I like it heavy on the tube for vocals, light for acoustic guitar), hi-pass filter, phase reverse, instrument input on the front panel, and switchable metering between input and output. It adds a bit of hiss when heavy on the tube, but has a good amount of gain which makes up for that and I've never found it to be a big problem. I'm thinking of buying another. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > At one point I had an M-Audio audio buddy, Art Tube MP studio, Studio > Projects VTB-1 and Behringer ultragain preamp all in the same room. To > my ear the VTB-1 sounded best, but the ART was very, very close and a > lot cheaper. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:03:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFBDA3BEC1; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000f01c83779$ef8dd780$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <157293.68934.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <1rzid.A.vTC.KQwVHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:03:22 +0000 (UTC) I think that my SRM450s sound great with my A&H WZ16/2 desk but they don't sound as good with my smaller Behringer Xynex mixer. I've used them for electric gigs; but mainly for acoustic acts generally with very quiet atentive audiences and I've had tgreat feedback (no pun!) about the sound. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation Thats interesting ive played with the 450s for years and i always thought they sounded too brittle and hissy but that is just my opinion.I also found them a bit heavy to carry,this is why i recently opted for the RCFs,they are only 300 watts with a 10" but they sound big have a nice spread out sound and weight a lot less,and i am also thinking of adding the Db technologies sub 15 subwoofer for that nice thump.I dont know how it is in the states but here people are very sensitive to loudness(except for the church bells beer festivals and carnavals offocurse)sometimes they even start asking if its going to be too loud before you even start playing!so this is what made me choose this speakers,i mean how loud do we need it or whats a nice and loud level for 300 to 400 hundred people venues or pubs which wont be sending people out the door calling the cops?has this been mesured or anybody has a link? and bigger venues often have their own sound systems anyway so why kill my back! cheers Luis > > I am happy with the SRM-450's however I will add > that I apply EQ to my > mixes to compensate for a loss of brightness. In > general, when moving > away from a speaker the high end drops off faster > than the low end. > For example, a speaker may sound overly-bright from > 3 feet away but > may sound just fine from 20 feet away. > > One of my goals when doing my own sound is to find a > way to produce > loud passages without hurting the listener's ears. > Sometimes, a > two-channel setup will blast out people seated in > the speakers' hot > spots. To spread out the sound over multiple > channels helps to > prevent the "blast" effect. (Incidentally, I play a > digital organ the > sound of which is spread out over 12 main, 4 sub, > and 4 room-modelling > channels. Have never gotten any complaints about if > being overly > loud, even when I crank it up!) > > The SWA1501s are real sub woofers that are very > even. Some of the > cheap subs will resonate at a set frequency -- ok > for car crash and > explosion sounds but kind of boomy and non-descript > for music. > > Incidentally, I have never gotten complaints about > my setup with all > the Mackie speakers. I don't really push them too > hard, admittedly. > > A few months back, I played an outdoor art fair and > the provided > system used the JBL Eons. I couldn't really hear > them from my > position on the stage however they seemed to work > well. > Unfortunately, the system didn't have a sub -- which > deprived the > listeners of some of the lowest notes. However, I > was the only one > who knew about the missing notes. :) All the > other acts from that > stage were mic'd acoustical instruments -- and the > Eon's worked fine > for that application. > > I have also played through and heard others play > through the Bose PAS. > Awesome system. I don't use the Bose because to > do surround sound > (even stereo) with them is too pricey for me. If > you can get by with > a mono mix then the Bose is an excellent system. > > -- Kevin > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 20:09:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C336A3BECC; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, >From reviews I've read it's also about the voltage that's applied to the tube. Although not a complete indicator, I think that generally preamps with external low voltage power supplies use low voltages to heat up the tube. Having said this, I've got an ART Tube MP and, whilst not as good as my Drawmer 1960 of course, it's a great little unit and does colour the sound nicely. You could try the TL Audio FatMan or the Fat2 (I have the Fat2) and it's a tube pre with a tube compressor and is about 4U high, but half rack width. - it sounds great and they sometimes go secondhand (no longer made). Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps > > > Rick Walker wrote: >> I want to get either a mono or a stereo, tube mic preamplifier >> that has a small footprint and also is a true tube mic pre. >> >> If memory serves me correctly, there was thread here where >> someone said that the inexpensive tube mic pres, like the Art >> where not true tube pres, sending only a small amount of the signal >> through the actual tube. >> > > hi Rick > > Yep, someone said that, but the reality is that a "true tube" pre means > that the first bit of circuitry that a mic comes to is a special low noise > high gain pentode valve that amplifies the signal up to line level. What > cheaper models (and most of the more expensive ones)do is use an IC for > that first stage and then pass the signal through a cheaper line level > valve stage. > > "true tubes" aren't that common though, they're a bit noisier than the > transistor equivalents. > I get the feeling that some devices called "true tube" don't have the > pentode. > In any case, the "real thing" isn't cheap. Generally adding a tube is a > way of marketing a pre-amp where the actual amplification is done by a > cheap circuit. > > Good mic pres are expensive :-( > ....but they make an awful lot of difference. > > I actually think you'd be better off getting a good transistor pre, > (Focusrite stuff is getting cheaper) and then if you need tube sound > get hold of a compressor of EQ that has a valve in the circuit. > > ...but hopefully some helpful LDer knows a reasonable enough pre with a > valve on board somewhere for a bit of that valve color that you're after. > > andy > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:26:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C00353BEB6; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=kuu7Fp7QTllZenpj5uKjJ+ZXAmPeZmn+01KdqoT6814=; b=B5rf3ZPZ1pzwhtkJRvMV4Eh78Ty19R6xNxSja9Vh8nRnpU/gONODyXPyZTpwLZMS9Pd2ZzDsuhPnlAEswmH6W7RvI8fazcmtGZwEHCoJp65Je2bFMndXcN+lEzVcqI3it3basBzLs0JY0TwDxbsTMU1A28iXCcr7jVl1TNqy39A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WEPzGP9kvjxYXXApLy5zESt5B2lNjbi86c9iQaanrJUwUujwfSn5kIDS0bhXTXBDv29NAp+tDL+gnuhFKfAVWy2hK9b+xgEtVR96Eczde66XPrvyoT39if5ikOaodT0TbojdO1y6HFJ+Sks9POOZ4XoMHrxNClsdI9p3bWWVTs0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712051526h2dfd7630sad2c0b5b6193b018@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 18:26:43 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: new work on My Space MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:26:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks... In addition to my guitar work I experiment with other instruments one being the violin which is "new" to me but have quite a bit of passion for. I recently launched a new My Space page to display this work. Some of the trax were done via Mobius which is also "new" to me. when time/interest peruse at and friend if you like... http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro Thanks and good upcoming holidays to all... Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic MySpace (solo violin) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi folks...
 
In addition to my guitar work I experiment with other instruments one being the violin which is "new" to me but have quite a bit of passion for.  I recently launched a new My Space page to display this work.   Some of the trax were done via Mobius which is also "new" to me.
 
when time/interest peruse at and friend if you like...
 
 
Thanks and good upcoming holidays to all...
 
Jim

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The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
MySpace (solo violin) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinviolinelectro
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_5522_33033978.1196897203246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:44:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8239C3BEB8; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <7D339B28-C494-43D6-BEF2-D1FD9CCA7572@cox.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--452240574 From: lochheed Subject: RE: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:44:51 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:44:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--452240574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Update: I may have spoke a little too soon by saying the Boss LS-2 worked great in switching my Custom Boss pedal between my dual EDPS. I'm now experiencing random failures in that the signals aren't making it to the Echoplexes. I've traced this down to the LS-2 since the Custom Boss foot switches work great with one EDP. I'm guessing this has to do with the resistance the AB box is adding to the 1/4 cable. I may just have to add another 7 gutted Boss pedals to control the 2nd EDP. Adam > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: lochheed@cox.net > Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss Pedals > Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 -0700 > > Hello - > > I've converted 7 Boss foot switches to handle the various functions > on my two Echoplexes. The pedals were gutted and fitted with the > proper resistors and wired in series with standard patch cables The > setup works wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more > familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are certainly lasting > longer! In order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a Boss > LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch the custom Boss pedals between > the two Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with a > simple switch. Even though the Echoplexes aren't running in stereo, > they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to separate amps and are > always looping something different. > > Here's what's next for my setup.... > > I'd like to add a few more of these custom Boss pedals to control the > Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for BOTH Echoplexes at the SAME > TIME. Sort of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you will. > > Tell me if you think this scenario will fly... > > After the 1/4" foot switch cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits > two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a "Master" Record, > Mute, Insert and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll > probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" box. I'd like to > have the option to not only control the EDPs independently but also > have the option to Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop for both. > > In theory, it sound like it should work. > > Any thoughts? > > Adam > > http://www.myspace.com/lochheed --Apple-Mail-3--452240574 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Update:=A0I may have spoke a = little too soon by saying the Boss LS-2 worked great in switching my = Custom Boss pedal between my dual EDPS. I'm now experiencing random = failures in that the signals aren't making it to the Echoplexes. I've = traced this down to the LS-2 since the Custom Boss foot switches work = great with one EDP.=A0I'm guessing this has to do with the resistance = the AB box is adding to the 1/4 cable.

I may just have to add = another 7 gutted Boss pedals to control the 2nd EDP.

Adam =A0

> Subject: Custom EDP ECHOPLEX Footswitches with Boss = Pedals
> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:59:52 = -0700
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> on my two Echoplexes. The = pedals were gutted and fitted with the=A0
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> setup works = wonderfully! The feel of the Boss switching is more=A0
> familiar than the stock EFC-7 and the switches are = certainly lasting=A0
> longer! In = order to cut down the size of my board, I'm using a = Boss=A0
> LS-2 Line selector as an A/B to switch = the custom Boss pedals between=A0
> the two = Echoplexes. This allows me to control either Echoplex with = a=A0
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> they are being fed Midi Clock. Both EDPs go to = separate amps and are=A0
> always = looping something different.
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> Here's what's next for my = setup....
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> TIME. Sort = of a MASTER Record, Mute, Insert and Next Loop if you = will.
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> Tell me if = you think this scenario will fly...
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> After the 1/4" foot switch = cable hits the A/B box, the signal splits=A0
> two 1/4" cables to the two EDPs. Can I patch in a = "Master" Record,=A0
> Mute, Insert = and Next Loop signal into both these cables? I'll=A0
> probably use a small Hammond enclosure as a "merge" = box. I'd like to=A0
> have the = option to not only control the EDPs independently but = also=A0
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= --Apple-Mail-3--452240574-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 5 23:49:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CDBA3BEC2; Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=F2yilCgdyL3JID3XbJTT1pGJWWH4woUoi53F9Ei4wkp8pcTYGHw21cmFyhzKSC6NZCP1VVrmKcJZMb1KR/+gPIOIjBn9/aktxhs3XMPY5WlyUU3zHt4xBMAskLlLV/EWxkSjFqWtluAOshqreoqLNx1AXHKAE/bVkeYixLVqdtI=; X-YMail-OSG: lVkF8j0VM1no70yoK8mXyue_i_tYO._3SEKItJ.TQXwUiMRybWo4pNXWWkTkvTnQhAcsZz.KS6_Mi1KZOUf38RDU.jIFho5KiEOLjy6OW3eEbfgxSJ5MIz6RcL1KR1V2.wzi30ZpEyK3UZqqOZH6Og-- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:49:48 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592699.95958.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:49:50 +0000 (UTC) I have not found much better for the money than Ultrasound all the way!!! Great service, friendly people to talk to one on one! I love these amps the response is as transparent very little electronic coloring at all. They also have effects send and return that is excellent for looping as well~Happy Christmas Merry New Year, http://www.ultrasoundamps.com/Contact/contactus.php --- michael wall wrote: > thanks for all the great info everyone! > > -- > Michael Wall > > Beauty and strength, leaping laughter, delicious languor, force and > fire are of us! > > 3934-A Harding Ave, Honolulu, HI 96816 (808) 737-3786 H 377-3786 C > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 00:55:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374323BED5; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3923 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 00:55:46 UTC Message-Id: <3C50EF5B-E1B8-4945-8FB2-BE2988235A01@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: RE: Facebook pages for musicians Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:50:18 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:55:46 +0000 (UTC) I recently wrote a blog posting about the Facebook for musicians mess - http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/2007/11/facebook_for_mu.html have a read if you like, links to all my facebook musical stuffs is in the blog... :o) cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 03:01:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8011D3BED9; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:01:30 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Thanks guys for all the valuable advice. I just went and checked out the recommended Studio Projects VTB-1 and I think I"m in heaven: Not only does it have balanced XLR and line cable ins and outs but it also has a tip/ring sleeve insert................I won't need a mixer!!!! I've been seriously debating whether to use an entire laptop situation in my touring next year but I have also really wanted to take and show off my Looperlative. With this setup and on a very, very modest budget (that's good for me) I can have a very sophisticated looping setup with a Looperlative, a VTB-1 and a BOSS VF-1 effects processor and only take a two space rack with me.....................WOOOOHOOOOOO. I'll also take some footpedals as well because I just love them, but this is going to be so much lighter and less hassle. Then I can take my soon to be purchased laptop to use for interactive visuals. Thanks for your advice. This community rocks! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 03:10:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B91493BEDA; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: wZTdUSAVM1lrk80FheVJ8cFhDYw0voRkbQcp3KxkXHJMxiOmsG.RFwq9MWgO7TTttzie7sTX3x1qYJTqFvLWS.fbiC78BFUB9A70aQYG_kMuZfYzQw-- In-Reply-To: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <24218706-A900-4778-89CA-923764255B76@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:10:46 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Rick, Why do you want a tube preamp? If you are looking to impart a little more vibe in your recordings and get a less "digital" sound, I'd recommend picking up a ribbon mic. I purchased a $250 ribbon mic from Shiny Box (after it got a rave review in TapeOp) and it has become my mic of choice for vocals and guitar. Much more open and natural sounding than my dynamic and condenser mics. I hardly use my AKG 414 anymore. SM57 for guitar? Forgot about it. The only downside is that you need a mic pre with a lot of gain if you recording quiet instruments. Matt --- King Never www.kingnever.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 03:12:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFDEF3BEDB; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: rquRugwVM1k4JaBNX5lscrX2esMibS9jeGtyn.Ylh13L8.AVEy_M8DcCbstWY6a.RBwwuOdy7SznZxwiobjpTcgvMqs0hmyRMAi2VJ.mrsQvO7QUpA-- In-Reply-To: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:12:52 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Ah well, I guess I should have read the entire thread before responding. Sounds like you needed it for live work. --- King Never www.kingnever.com On Dec 5, 2007, at 7:01 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > Thanks guys for all the valuable advice. > > I just went and checked out the recommended > Studio Projects VTB-1 and I think I"m in heaven: > > Not only does it have balanced XLR and line cable ins and outs > but it also has a tip/ring sleeve insert................I won't > need a mixer!!!! > > I've been seriously debating whether to use an entire laptop > situation in > my touring next year but I have also really wanted to take and show > off > my Looperlative. > > With this setup and on a very, very modest budget (that's good for me) > I can have a very sophisticated looping setup with a Looperlative, > a VTB-1 and a BOSS VF-1 effects processor and only take > a two space rack with me.....................WOOOOHOOOOOO. > > I'll also take some footpedals as well because I just love them, > but this > is going to be so much lighter and less hassle. Then I can take my > soon to be purchased laptop to use for interactive visuals. > > Thanks for your advice. This community rocks! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 03:44:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602CF3BED5; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7LG2pS+QzCYsuCXiU32SDUmT0vWSz7a5tGqWh5PTrCo=; b=Yr6tNVXnInv6ieIToty+2KudgoDAbyIxZpxDOtTqg2sArcSlri7dv2lwbjjSXlHQA/sO39V+ncIO8hmygnlPbMuYCYYgcNy4ymFlU1ooqe8RDHX6HDHfL9BezAypyesJYoTfZ0Lj8FNmeomZXpTrkSw7qyl50bkG/uSJrUYIp2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vJSFsAinAFIZl+Ng31PB8CQjVq6ElQASbjY2CqzUNUqxA7Adf70lguOROaK5rcm3651mg+TahnRiRxosEYYX4zKq/e7HqNR8dJU+0MHdoawbEnpcT1Cj2tnWFO2ESZ2Zz4iZEh7iz6xcCe9ZKsNBzPxnGm1VJ1c9kUgHAwxr3IE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712051943k4c7049acg5c235c3688074245@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 19:43:57 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps In-Reply-To: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <006a01c837b4$4d2e73b0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: <8xrPlB.A.s9G.__2VHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 03:44:00 +0000 (UTC) I don't think you'll regret the VTB-1. Keep us posted! -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 05:12:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 518783BEB0; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:12:42 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200712060512.lB65CgMv008351@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 212.123.202.81 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <1c5EKB.A.XwB.MT4VHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 05:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick, hi everyone, just dropped onto this thread after not reading LD since Saturday (forgot t= he WiFi interface for the laptop that has the email program on it, so only = access to email via web interface, which combined with not much time, does = not invite detailed reading). Talking about small micpres, my two suggestions would (also) be: If you want something small and can accept mono and want "the tube sound" (= whatever that is), it's the studio project you"ve settled on. For non-tube = and slightly more expensive, it's the FRM RNP. And yes, those cheap wannabe tube pres (like the VTB-1) use a circuit desig= n called "starved plate", where the tube is run at a much lower voltage (fo= r accelerating electrons) than intended and so is only used for some sound = couloring. If I remember correctly, with the VTB you can also adjust the am= ount of tube sound added. Definitely a wise choice, especially for its conn= ectivity options (I also like the "tube DI mode"). I'm really looking forward to listening to your small setup on a budget in = action (or rather to listening to you that is...) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 08:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F73E3BEA9; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c837df$919fc1e0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: LOOP and LOOP Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:11:13 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:11:15 +0000 (UTC) what the hell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRyWvUSS0zI&feature=related From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 08:33:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F07A3BEAF; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644479959-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.239.254 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KABJCV0dPSu/+/2dsb2JhbACCJQSoKg Message-ID: <4757B3D5.2030801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:33:25 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> In-Reply-To: <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Ian Popperwell wrote: (but general to the discussion > the sound nicely. You could try the TL Audio FatMan or the Fat2 (I have > the Fat2) and it's a tube pre with a tube compressor and is about 4U > high, but half rack width. - it sounds great and they sometimes go > secondhand (no longer made). > The TLA stuff is very good, but mostly they use hybrid design). They also do the only "true tube" pre-amp that I know of ( er..there may be more, but I can't afford them anyway) this is the PA-1, it has a specialist pentode valve as the first stage of amplification. Generally they use transistors for the first stage, because there's less noise(eg, the Fat2. ECC83/12AX7A valves are then used for the second (less gain) stage of amplification. As is almost always the case with "tube" mic-pres, really they are transistor pres followed by a valve stage for coloration. I've been tempted to say that it's only a "true tube" if the actual pre-amp (the critical first stage of amplification) is a valve. I hope that hasn't caused confusion, as this quite plainly disagrees with manufacturers claims for their products. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 09:50:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17C0F3BEC1; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:50:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=xL63LVmSEC1Oykr1XJGqpD33/Z6iI3rzkzSgS/ZPkql3lRg0GGyjgbhnDamueOEZIBkQeygB4ZxyjNh6lXrGp9crF374NIv+0ZAvny6BIX/jc3myKUgpjZN1twnBKlBmFk2vJAIaZHVUq2VsVgx5byA2SRtbSTVQmQlf8KxAvMw= ; X-YMail-OSG: pvk9ZZEVM1nnE9vXCP5cNfCJHjy9ZU5nhR5TVU6S6j3YdgF0ubj3rQ3YqqXJLX6yK0DQ9yxv5ZUysnttODoAk27nsS5FNlvRiVPuJW64hp8Pw3epICR_e7ZpN2Qt Message-ID: <008f01c837ed$70fb18a0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> From: "Ben" To: References: <000801c837df$919fc1e0$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: LOOP and LOOP Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:50:35 +0000 (UTC) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llu0OhQMhyM&feature=related ? :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > what the hell? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRyWvUSS0zI&feature=related > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 10:06:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575EF3BEC1; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mb+9nS2MN+w+6lU7tfOzMC4jPLGIu9wZkMpBUzIFGUw=; b=xypY5ho/n1TLmjW9xwhWSziNLGm2rtNT2EIfV7OTMjd0sdicBrVLqZrAT8Omt9dIVQL4h/dos3cVTANRs5HZxRQbRzvI/i5Bewc71edfJga8aLmHgOmuDhGmLNfwu0fxxG7NdMGlOjibi8b+vkevMiALHCkR0dGS6cfVJiYPX6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m0Wbv4eJ3L0PgxQcHe+JupGstLUtQEIM2fplLq78eyzbbt8+y7dGIJG5Df2BuoiOxIohNMHZM3mI/hGYGw7ykr1mBUoJe1rgxWxMcvQTVVb4Ag6ytg2XecOPlBmYnAYe1Ngyi0XqE2sQR9ZMQBQcqkwlbrRwhsIrS1HrQ9BFNlo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3C50EF5B-E1B8-4945-8FB2-BE2988235A01@steve-lawson.co.uk> References: <3C50EF5B-E1B8-4945-8FB2-BE2988235A01@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Facebook pages for musicians Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:06:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:06:55 +0000 (UTC) On 6 dec 2007, at 00.50, Steve Lawson wrote: > I recently wrote a blog posting about the Facebook for musicians > mess - > http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/2007/11/ > facebook_for_mu.html > have a read if you like, links to all my facebook musical stuffs is > in the blog... :o) Nice blog writing. One may also add that Facebook developed www.ilike.com where artist pages at www.garageband.com were initially mirrored. But since many such artists already had personal Facbook pages they came up with the idea of linking the Facebook friends database of the personal page with the iLike page. iLike is also a Facebook plug-in for playing music, tagging and networking. As a matter of all this confusion I now have five or six Facebook pages plus a Garageband page. Crazy! But I like the iLike plug-in I received for the iTunes application on my macs. It's displays a sidebar with music or people related to whatever music I'll be playing in iTunes. When listening to something really far out it's funny to see if anyone else out there shares your bizarre tastes in music ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 11:27:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D0F93BEB2; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:27:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:24:45 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <4757DBFD.3030602@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:27:54 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on northern Californian Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Folding Space and Melting Galaxies" on Space for Music Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#dec Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 8 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST/GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:28:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEBF43BECC; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-349--406430099 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Facebook/iLike Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:28:21 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <-BPZPB.A.CKD.wr-VHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:28:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-349--406430099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>Nice blog writing. One may also add that Facebook developed www.ilike.com where artist pages at www.garageband.com were initially mirrored. But since many such artists already had personal Facbook pages they came up with the idea of linking the Facebook friends database of the personal page with the iLike page. iLike is also a Facebook plug-in for playing music, tagging and networking.<<< I'd be happy to have an ilike page, except that another Steve lawson has the Garage Band account for 'Steve Lawson'... so if you search for 'Steve Lawson' in iLike, you get my tunes, and his tune listed, but I can't register with iLike, because he's got the garage band account that matches the artist name on my tracks... I've emailed them about it (months ago) and they said 'we're workin on a system to deal with it'... yeah, right. Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-349--406430099 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>Nice blog writing. = One may also add that Facebook developed www.ilike.com where artist pages = at www.garageband.com were = initially mirrored. But since many such artists already had personal = Facbook pages they came up with the idea of linking the Facebook friends = database of the personal page with the iLike page. iLike is also a = Facebook plug-in for playing music, tagging and = networking.<<<

I'd be happy to have an = ilike page, except that another Steve lawson has the Garage Band account = for 'Steve Lawson'... so if you search for 'Steve Lawson' in iLike, you = get my tunes, and his tune listed, but I can't register with iLike, = because he's got the garage band account that matches the artist name on = my tracks... I've emailed them about it (months ago) and they said = 'we're workin on a system to deal with it'... yeah, = right. 
= --Apple-Mail-349--406430099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 12:55:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F5F33BECC; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 704205924 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: LOOP and LOOP Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:54:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206682A8C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <008f01c837ed$70fb18a0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: LOOP and LOOP Thread-Index: Acg4BzU5L+xDoxF1QoaP/ihI7lZb9A== References: <008f01c837ed$70fb18a0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 12:54:59.0709 (UTC) FILETIME=[35B5C2D0:01C83807] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:55:04 +0000 (UTC) I don't know what the looping relevance is, & I'm not about to kick off about it being slightly OT or anything, but... that kid's playing a gibson marauder! d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 14:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 542663BECF; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <13B8254C-BC2A-4CE7-A71B-00AAC3B5C265@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loop List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: New all live all looped EP... Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:36:19 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I've got a new EP out! hurrah! To save swamping the list with my spammage, all the details are on my blog here - http://steve.anthropiccollective.org/archives/2007/12/new_ep_new_ep.html It was recorded live in Nebraska earlier in the year, and is three duets with singer Lobelia, and two solo tunes, with both my bass and her voice going through the Looperlative... some pretty fun stuff! :o) take care, look forward to catching up with those of you that will be at NAMM in January! Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:43:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 637F63BED9; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=Js8wB6Xf4D+gEymd82zpbU2F/JXrudCJZkTAfzz5DkY=; b=xS80iwod6yGO4Tuf5EkUbspu1pv+7TiSTHGiOL4Ob06tC+soRDr2v6sp1lvHfTzsgg9qspHpNSbG+0AxBi/gFkLZ8HNc6Vy8Vv+WyTkWG94vV06IAfsLvg8Hfrc+H6tl2yuR+znMLbfHFoYiHiJKV2PYLfkJkwASQQ/cJSFsts0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lCOlmpNY8OCtpNlRxFDBWJ9qrga75DJxYe3+Jwe9x1opn4V8F5QVMGmi35YpTDyInxiWoLhcll7zXDinYQYxp+wfieAhxL2IUQCxKPaY1QC0jcscbUbMlG5QXMjdgTfHgNVL1r/aMZ/maJywasWOnEm4CsZbyJAK/HNQ9Ic1bx0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:43:08 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: What any decent studio needs... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:43:11 +0000 (UTC) http://www.rane.com/pi14.html I may even have to get two.. :) -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:55:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 003CC3BEE7; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3A088321-A620-4000-9342-EED230798073@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--393979836 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:55:52 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:55:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--393979836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Have you ever wanted to add just a bit of this or a tad of that to your sound? Have you ever wondered what was available to allow it? So have we. The PI 14 gives you the ability to add bits of this and dashes of that, with continuously variable breadth and depth. How much would you pay for this flexibility? But wait. Before you answer that, there's also the ability to pan from here to there and if you lose your way, there's a switch to get you back again. And if you don't care for the spectral distribution of the difference between this and that, there is a special Rinkwitz Liley 4th grade crossover filter which may be used to control spectral harmony." Huh? I dont get it. Regardless, maybe they shouldn't advertise that 4th graders are making their crossovers. On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Tony K wrote: > http://www.rane.com/pi14.html > > I may even have to get two.. :) > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > --Apple-Mail-1--393979836 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Huh? I dont get it. Regardless, maybe they shouldn't advertise = that 4th graders are making their = crossovers. 


On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Tony K = wrote:

http://www.rane.com/pi14.html
I may even have to get two.. :)

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= --Apple-Mail-1--393979836-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 15:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F5D3BEE6; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:57:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <_LZdhC.A.N8.OwBWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:58:07 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.rane.com/pi14.html Old April Fool's jokes never die on the Internet. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 16:08:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D2CD3BEF8; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=EHXFqMC7dIARf9VWBj/EJVKrFgRkUIrEzakLr5/s8zk=; b=M2hm/BK7a+Bkele4GFFHtJgQuLpyXegFXxjNCxUXLdvV4WzXgKsjkoI7uFYdsoSl5xhCttbvdZLO/HFox06+TqmUxXcjUVonb6hXxfOWnTbswCAbE8ZaPDM5q9qREkUv9cGnV7NBF0xn/Ad/VTFy+sAiVr5NczaGLUsMz9A3cpY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FOySHqiP6ISadxyHUrdsqX7EBq5n86EkQP0BegyIkWRGXiQueE6bgAoEEHZrtkItkXwXsrXPmWsduluECubZfq8F2bPfvc0Koe5GzNfShEe7q5haP2By2RV2rWEdmlasDyvTWw/bQVcx1pq5V/0i1rpNLsnON83lmDmwePTtp6Y= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:08:54 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... In-Reply-To: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:08:56 +0000 (UTC) nothing ever dies on the internet! :) On Dec 6, 2007 10:57 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > http://www.rane.com/pi14.html > > Old April Fool's jokes never die on the Internet. > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 16:44:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE1A3BEE6; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:44:17 -0600 Subject: RE: What any decent studio needs... Thread-Topic: What any decent studio needs... Thread-Index: Acg4Hra7IlmHSlXOQeKg2rke1xzCNQAB5xDw Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7142949DB0A49@barq.sailpoint.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Nice. It reminded me of the Funk Logic rack filler panels you could actually buy at Sweetwater though it looks like they are now discontinued. http://www.funklogic.com/ap302.htm I have an AP-302 Algorhythmic Prosecutor and the DD-301 Digilog Dynamicator. They have become an indispensable part of my signature sound. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 16:56:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 08F423BEDB; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UimfViJZSiTLAZsSL6itkSqPZo+nGAMi0P/+p7q1i0Q2FYo7/aR0Z8qeHzcVqTg/AA1p4nVjpaHjg0TGX7UcNbPdQ06oprihQMMKGNYGrGeVORse92PM7c9NlDbuEbGX17070fCZwZHv798YRfdIAfU8QlS4tLbFyMBJrPlWBPY=; X-YMail-OSG: lAO7iNoVM1m5e49c.wX05DAgrkTYUId236i.ONa.kkczSCuDzigbKnY0RmG9RCWC9v3GF_ZxBjoHHno64LkTQrEBT.7q1fIbvjHL5RXZD5l1uQCy3ncvaQfNXwvyLg-- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 08:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: A great example for another application to our art!!! Scott does an amazing job of integration in sight/sound, so much passion too!!! Happy Christmas Merry New Year Fellow loopy individuals :o) To: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <241614.67077.qm@web34210.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:56:42 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thewalkthetalkmovie.com/?SRC=MRPWTTGB&ref=64 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:18:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BEE13BEE6; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... X-Priority: 3 Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:18:05 -0500 References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Oh Right. I get it. I always suspected Sonic Maximizers were a gag too. On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> http://www.rane.com/pi14.html > > Old April Fool's jokes never die on the Internet. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:29:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 033273BF01; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zBNPycgPel2MggJK+XBDsEqs3xlQX5sdpwH7HTSVY9k=; b=Wz9SThHvZ8HYlfeVBAqBU1baI6ELOwoRXeSDUqQVP8du4fiAj2DZfA8Lsn4Le0ihPNqIaYXpWVUh2rTihn+088HiYutONTQKfPTXaGegwgc8xmSrv5l0WVANAm9M3+lW3LA0LgLCYLBe9BydqKg22hxN3RxY3lTsekWz8RCI6HA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=O/gdpSnUCFTdNTcexQ3vL7MLrm9a06ILDPzjSilI5RNZ0gjuvBsV/X3Zaog90l4R3c3omsUbuIJiFrUjvE0heAYKEZH76RUrD4PBI6FGOfdWR9PnL+kQzY4gFGA5B91lqn/f3AQT+PpmMHW9AfSZDbbBV6Tf9nbzVcFqrbBJnLk= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:29:08 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... In-Reply-To: <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0B85v.A.pFE.mFDWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:29:10 +0000 (UTC) It reminded me of a piece of equipment that had the In/Out jacks marked "GozInta" and "GozOutta" :) Tony On Dec 6, 2007 12:18 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Oh Right. I get it. I always suspected Sonic Maximizers were a gag too. > > On Dec 6, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > > >> http://www.rane.com/pi14.html > > > > Old April Fool's jokes never die on the Internet. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 17:30:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AD473BF05; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:30:50 -0500 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, this was the biggest laugh I've had in weeks! >> >> http://www.rane.com/pi14.html >> > >> > Old April Fool's jokes never die on the Internet. >> > >> >> > > From suleman_muhammed0046@live.fr Thu Dec 6 17:31:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 720 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:31:56 UTC Received: from blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.162.155]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5823BEE6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU110-W17 ([65.55.162.189]) by blu0-omc3-s1.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:19:55 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6cdc4e2d-103a-47e5-9017-895330c084e5_" X-Originating-IP: [196.28.250.94] Reply-To: From: suleman muhammed Subject: PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST. 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You should contact me immedi= ately as soon as you receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO N= OT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST= . Yours Faithfully, Mr SULEMAN MUHAMMED =20 _________________________________________________________________ T=E9l=E9chargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview= --_6cdc4e2d-103a-47e5-9017-895330c084e5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My Dear Good Day,
 
      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    PLEASE URGENT ATTN.
Do accept my sincere apologies if my mail does not meet your personal = ethics.I am Mr SULAMAN   MUHAMMED The manager of bill a= nd exchange at the foreign remittance department of my Bank.
 
= In my department I discovered an abandoned sum of US$8.5M, (Eight Million, = Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) with account number 14-2558-5976 that bel= ongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his wife and only = daughter in a plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight number 261 which crashe= d on January 31, 2000. You shall read more about the crash on visiting this= site:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airline= s.list/
 
The owner of this account is Mr. Morris= Thompson an American and great industrialist and a resident of Alaska. It = is therefore upon this discovery that I now decided to make this business p= roposal to you and for our bank to release the money to you. You have to fo= llow the instruction which I will be send to you as the next of kin or rela= tion to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is= coming for it and I don't want this money to go into our bank treasury as = unclaimed bill.
 
The banking law and guidelines here stipulate= s that if such money remained unclaimed after nine 9 years, the money will = be transfered into the bank treasury as unclaimed fund. The money has now s= tayed more than seven to eight years and I am preparing documentaion to pro= ve that this money has been transfered to our bank treasury. It will be bet= ween me and you only that will know that the money is not transfered into o= ur treasure.
 
This request of foreigner as next of kin in this= transaction is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner an= d as an insider i cannot stand as next of kin to a foreigner. In appreciati= on of your assistance, I am offering you 30% of the total sum. 5% for conti= ngencies (cost of transfer/other charges) likely to be  incurred durin= g the course of transaction, while the remaining 65% is for me.Upon receipt= of your reply.
 
I will send to you by fax or email the text o= f the application which you will complete and forward to our bank asking fo= r this money to be paid to you as the next of kin to Mr;Morris Thomson. I w= ill not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch-free an= d that you should not entertain any fear as all required arrangements have = been made for the transfer. You should contact me immediately as soon as yo= u receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONT= ACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST.
 Yours Faithfully,
Mr SULEMAN   MUHAMMED 
T=E9l=E9chargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! Essayez-le ! = --_6cdc4e2d-103a-47e5-9017-895330c084e5_-- From suleman_muhammed0046@live.fr Thu Dec 6 17:32:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 719 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 17:32:54 UTC Received: from blu139-omc3-s17.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s17.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.217]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40033BEE6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU110-W19 ([65.55.162.187]) by blu139-omc3-s17.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:20:52 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6bd42b41-175a-4374-b6bf-5b59878ee3a6_" X-Originating-IP: [196.28.250.94] Reply-To: From: suleman muhammed Subject: PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST. Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:20:52 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 17:20:52.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A57F750:01C8382C] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_6bd42b41-175a-4374-b6bf-5b59878ee3a6_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Dear Good Day, PLEASE URGENT ATTN. Do accept my sincere apologies if my mail does not meet your personal ethic= s.I am Mr SULAMAN MUHAMMED The manager of bill and exchange at the foreig= n remittance department of my Bank. In my department I discovered an aband= oned sum of US$8.5M, (Eight Million, Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) with= account number 14-2558-5976 that belongs to one of our foreign customers w= ho died along with his wife and only daughter in a plane crash of Alaska Ai= rlines Flight number 261 which crashed on January 31, 2000. You shall read = more about the crash on visiting this site: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/0= 1/alaska.airlines.list/ The owner of this account is Mr. Morris Thompson an= American and great industrialist and a resident of Alaska. It is therefore= upon this discovery that I now decided to make this business proposal to y= ou and for our bank to release the money to you. You have to follow the ins= truction which I will be send to you as the next of kin or relation to the = deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for = it and I don't want this money to go into our bank treasury as unclaimed bi= ll. The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that if such money rema= ined unclaimed after nine 9 years, the money will be transfered into the ba= nk treasury as unclaimed fund. The money has now stayed more than seven to = eight years and I am preparing documentaion to prove that this money has be= en transfered to our bank treasury. It will be between me and you only that= will know that the money is not transfered into our treasure. This reques= t of foreigner as next of kin in this transaction is occasioned by the fact= that the customer was a foreigner and as an insider i cannot stand as next= of kin to a foreigner. In appreciation of your assistance, I am offering y= ou 30% of the total sum. 5% for contingencies (cost of transfer/other charg= es) likely to be incurred during the course of transaction, while the rema= ining 65% is for me.Upon receipt of your reply. I will send to you by fax = or email the text of the application which you will complete and forward to= our bank asking for this money to be paid to you as the next of kin to Mr;= Morris Thomson. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transacti= on is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any fear as all required= arrangements have been made for the transfer. You should contact me immedi= ately as soon as you receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO N= OT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST= . Yours Faithfully, Mr SULEMAN MUHAMMED =20 _________________________________________________________________ Sur Windows Live Ideas, d=E9couvrez en exclusivit=E9 de nouveaux services e= n ligne... si nouveaux qu'ils ne sont pas encore sortis officiellement sur = le march=E9 ! http://ideas.live.com= --_6bd42b41-175a-4374-b6bf-5b59878ee3a6_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My Dear Good Day,
 
      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    PLEASE URGENT ATTN.
Do accept my sincere apologies if my mail does not meet your personal = ethics.I am Mr SULAMAN   MUHAMMED The manager of bill a= nd exchange at the foreign remittance department of my Bank.
 
= In my department I discovered an abandoned sum of US$8.5M, (Eight Million, = Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) with account number 14-2558-5976 that bel= ongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his wife and only = daughter in a plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight number 261 which crashe= d on January 31, 2000. You shall read more about the crash on visiting this= site:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airline= s.list/
 
The owner of this account is Mr. Morris= Thompson an American and great industrialist and a resident of Alaska. It = is therefore upon this discovery that I now decided to make this business p= roposal to you and for our bank to release the money to you. You have to fo= llow the instruction which I will be send to you as the next of kin or rela= tion to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is= coming for it and I don't want this money to go into our bank treasury as = unclaimed bill.
 
The banking law and guidelines here stipulate= s that if such money remained unclaimed after nine 9 years, the money will = be transfered into the bank treasury as unclaimed fund. The money has now s= tayed more than seven to eight years and I am preparing documentaion to pro= ve that this money has been transfered to our bank treasury. It will be bet= ween me and you only that will know that the money is not transfered into o= ur treasure.
 
This request of foreigner as next of kin in this= transaction is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner an= d as an insider i cannot stand as next of kin to a foreigner. In appreciati= on of your assistance, I am offering you 30% of the total sum. 5% for conti= ngencies (cost of transfer/other charges) likely to be  incurred durin= g the course of transaction, while the remaining 65% is for me.Upon receipt= of your reply.
 
I will send to you by fax or email the text o= f the application which you will complete and forward to our bank asking fo= r this money to be paid to you as the next of kin to Mr;Morris Thomson. I w= ill not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch-free an= d that you should not entertain any fear as all required arrangements have = been made for the transfer. You should contact me immediately as soon as yo= u receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONT= ACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST.
 Yours Faithfully,
Mr SULEMAN   MUHAMMED 
Sur Windows Live Ideas, d=E9couvrez en exclusivit=E9 de nouveaux s= ervices en ligne... si nouveaux qu'ils ne sont pas encore sortis officielle= ment sur le march=E9 ! Es= sayez-le ! = --_6bd42b41-175a-4374-b6bf-5b59878ee3a6_-- From suleman_muhammed0046@live.fr Thu Dec 6 17:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from blu139-omc3-s15.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc3-s15.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.215]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285BE3BEE6 for ; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:34:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU110-W14 ([65.55.162.187]) by blu139-omc3-s15.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:21:59 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_747c865c-732a-4efa-89b1-d4ee543b3433_" X-Originating-IP: [196.28.250.94] Reply-To: From: suleman muhammed Subject: PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST. Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:21:58 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 17:21:59.0596 (UTC) FILETIME=[824E86C0:01C8382C] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_747c865c-732a-4efa-89b1-d4ee543b3433_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Dear Good Day, PLEASE URGENT ATTN. Do accept my sincere apologies if my mail does not meet your personal ethic= s.I am Mr SULAMAN MUHAMMED The manager of bill and exchange at the foreig= n remittance department of my Bank. In my department I discovered an aband= oned sum of US$8.5M, (Eight Million, Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) with= account number 14-2558-5976 that belongs to one of our foreign customers w= ho died along with his wife and only daughter in a plane crash of Alaska Ai= rlines Flight number 261 which crashed on January 31, 2000. You shall read = more about the crash on visiting this site: http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/0= 1/alaska.airlines.list/ The owner of this account is Mr. Morris Thompson an= American and great industrialist and a resident of Alaska. It is therefore= upon this discovery that I now decided to make this business proposal to y= ou and for our bank to release the money to you. You have to follow the ins= truction which I will be send to you as the next of kin or relation to the = deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for = it and I don't want this money to go into our bank treasury as unclaimed bi= ll. The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that if such money rema= ined unclaimed after nine 9 years, the money will be transfered into the ba= nk treasury as unclaimed fund. The money has now stayed more than seven to = eight years and I am preparing documentaion to prove that this money has be= en transfered to our bank treasury. It will be between me and you only that= will know that the money is not transfered into our treasure. This reques= t of foreigner as next of kin in this transaction is occasioned by the fact= that the customer was a foreigner and as an insider i cannot stand as next= of kin to a foreigner. In appreciation of your assistance, I am offering y= ou 30% of the total sum. 5% for contingencies (cost of transfer/other charg= es) likely to be incurred during the course of transaction, while the rema= ining 65% is for me.Upon receipt of your reply. I will send to you by fax = or email the text of the application which you will complete and forward to= our bank asking for this money to be paid to you as the next of kin to Mr;= Morris Thomson. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transacti= on is hitch-free and that you should not entertain any fear as all required= arrangements have been made for the transfer. You should contact me immedi= ately as soon as you receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO N= OT HESITATE TO CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST= . Yours Faithfully, Mr SULEMAN MUHAMMED =20 _________________________________________________________________ T=E9l=E9chargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! http://get.live.com/messenger/overview= --_747c865c-732a-4efa-89b1-d4ee543b3433_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My Dear Good Day,
 
      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;    PLEASE URGENT ATTN.
Do accept my sincere apologies if my mail does not meet your personal = ethics.I am Mr SULAMAN   MUHAMMED The manager of bill a= nd exchange at the foreign remittance department of my Bank.
 
= In my department I discovered an abandoned sum of US$8.5M, (Eight Million, = Five Hundred Thousand US Dollars) with account number 14-2558-5976 that bel= ongs to one of our foreign customers who died along with his wife and only = daughter in a plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight number 261 which crashe= d on January 31, 2000. You shall read more about the crash on visiting this= site:
http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airline= s.list/
 
The owner of this account is Mr. Morris= Thompson an American and great industrialist and a resident of Alaska. It = is therefore upon this discovery that I now decided to make this business p= roposal to you and for our bank to release the money to you. You have to fo= llow the instruction which I will be send to you as the next of kin or rela= tion to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is= coming for it and I don't want this money to go into our bank treasury as = unclaimed bill.
 
The banking law and guidelines here stipulate= s that if such money remained unclaimed after nine 9 years, the money will = be transfered into the bank treasury as unclaimed fund. The money has now s= tayed more than seven to eight years and I am preparing documentaion to pro= ve that this money has been transfered to our bank treasury. It will be bet= ween me and you only that will know that the money is not transfered into o= ur treasure.
 
This request of foreigner as next of kin in this= transaction is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner an= d as an insider i cannot stand as next of kin to a foreigner. In appreciati= on of your assistance, I am offering you 30% of the total sum. 5% for conti= ngencies (cost of transfer/other charges) likely to be  incurred durin= g the course of transaction, while the remaining 65% is for me.Upon receipt= of your reply.
 
I will send to you by fax or email the text o= f the application which you will complete and forward to our bank asking fo= r this money to be paid to you as the next of kin to Mr;Morris Thomson. I w= ill not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch-free an= d that you should not entertain any fear as all required arrangements have = been made for the transfer. You should contact me immediately as soon as yo= u receive this mail through the above email. PLEASE DO NOT HESITATE TO CONT= ACT ME IMMEDIATELY YOU SHOULD CONSIDER MY URGENT REQUEST.
 Yours Faithfully,
Mr SULEMAN   MUHAMMED 
T=E9l=E9chargez le nouveau Windows Live Messenger ! Essayez-le ! = --_747c865c-732a-4efa-89b1-d4ee543b3433_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 18:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDA273BECF; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:38:20 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> In-Reply-To: <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern equipment that will be eventually used in looping... I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin with a TRS jack...?). Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments here since. Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 18:59:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E98013BEFB; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <72023928-60D6-402C-B692-B02C50A136D2@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:59:05 -0500 References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 18:59:09 +0000 (UTC) I love the LR Baggs M1A Pickup. The best pedal comp I've heard is the EBS Multi Comp. Really musical. On Dec 6, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does > concern equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm > starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the > piezo doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external > mic does fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for > onstage use and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of > a mic. I've gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs > Element, but am wondering if anyone's had experience with anything > else, especially with having two different pickup systems in one > guitar. I'd like to keep my current setup and add to it (maybe I can > split the output at the endpin with a TRS jack...?). > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the > fret and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard- > mounted pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup > mounted up on the headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an > electric) and was done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are > some kind of developments here since. > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., > stompbox, tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to > acoustic guitar, that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and > doesn't produce any of the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for > extreme compression, just something to musically accentuate the > harmonics and even out the big spike. The Keeley compressor is raved > about frequently, but I'm curious if anyone has had experience with > it on acoustic guitar. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 19:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 940073BEF7; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_09cf24ba-a458-43b4-9128-38bea0c763b0_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.13.167] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:28 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Dec 2007 19:09:27.0750 (UTC) FILETIME=[85B4BE60:01C8383B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:09:29 +0000 (UTC) --_09cf24ba-a458-43b4-9128-38bea0c763b0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Keeley is a fine compressor...but for acoustics I have found the Demete= r Compulator to be outstanding. Another compr to consider (and is much mor= e affordable) is the Aphex Punch Factory. Very transparent and even soundi= ng...wonderful with acoustic gtrs...no pumping. =20 Max > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stomp= box, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guita= r, > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any = of > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just= > something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big > s= pike. 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The Keeley is a fine compressor...but for acoustics I have found the De= meter Compulator to be outstanding.  Another compr to consider (and is= much more affordable) is the Aphex Punch Factory.  Very transparent a= nd even sounding...wonderful with acoustic gtrs...no pumping.
 
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Power up! = --_09cf24ba-a458-43b4-9128-38bea0c763b0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 19:48:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46A5F3BEEA; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:48:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CrYoMLsZGivcsKgi/30wY1bdON8OQXymNIVu74XqBJg=; b=Pe5KHZg6IlFo8t2XlvuVmD/rEcC+u1LtCdQj0VmWr4WSjOBuL0eyOomVFBWuabg7oZXZO8gu7+0aOFYkI2at2R++5HJ6E5+YcRSIwf7evdZ/rJNBkVDWz1VPQqp7O8rR4JZrm7+BtGqDCyVLsCvEjb6K+lzcaVXwafdB/wbnmLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dGiuSiy4PhqK+bpcKuWwSFWai0raesFTBN0y5RjYrK5hd4nvRIXbLZ7gByFR3i7uCnkURsV0e1hL8j2SkEjhg9RUeL/ufJcNjifdz0Rr3c02ySxMYg/pdwYuz6lCgqp/Ip0mA5HjGpFrux17haYeY9yaIBND0/AhtJrRj44hmWQ= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712061148l7b046012ra219d71a7d192752@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:48:24 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8280_21462414.1196970504115" References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:48:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8280_21462414.1196970504115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Michael [Hedges] used a FRAP for this which not sure it's made anymore. THe other idea is use an internal mic mount, I started to do that with one I was given by GHS but it never worked out right though Taylor does this a lot in their guitars. With a nylon a combo of a soundhole electro-magnetic and the piezo probably won't do it however the $35 Dean Markeley I had in CA on my mandolin which is an electrom... but it still picked up a lot of top. here's a link. http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Markley-Artist-Transducer?sku=304005. You might use it in combo to the saddle pickup... Jim On Dec 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern > equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm > starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo > doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does > fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use > and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've > gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am > wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with > having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my > current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin > with a TRS jack...?). > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret > and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted > pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the > headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was > done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments > here since. > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just > something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big > spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious > if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_8280_21462414.1196970504115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Michael [Hedges] used a FRAP for this which not sure it's made anymore.  THe other idea is use an internal mic mount, I started to do that with one I was given by GHS but it never worked out right though Taylor does this a lot in their guitars.  With a nylon a combo of a soundhole electro-magnetic and the piezo probably won't do it however the $35 Dean Markeley I had in CA on my mandolin which is an electrom... but it still picked up a lot of top. here's a link.  http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Markley-Artist-Transducer?sku=304005.  You might use it in combo to the saddle pickup...
 
Jim

On Dec 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern
equipment that will be eventually used in looping...

I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm
starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo
doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does
fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use
and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've
gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am
wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with
having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my
current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin
with a TRS jack...?).

Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret
and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted
pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the
headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was
done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments
here since.

Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable ( i.e., stompbox,
tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar,
that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of
the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just
something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big
spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious
if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_8280_21462414.1196970504115-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:02:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 559FA3BEF3; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:02:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1554 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:02:10 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/cScQs503A17dxuYbl5+02eCYUaBR6kVhkZC8BW2ASM=; b=NMO21JHt5ySnj/mE2oDwA0dIXQNVvnVhRhN7hsjZfMVDVuV8ZYI/rymvkki1bICGEEntBtSCGnqUhMWilCUjd77nalOaMz3iTLDCoGEzNlLznvSnfsPN5X2uGme6/Y+INCifqIzMV/LIrIiFrB3aU8vaVqLZsZRxWcsmJ563CPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UhiCUfuHQ6RR9qblMlp1+PsYwM+wD9LT7OF7gEtTa9CZfpdNTzBbPBXyf+RsVBDZdiJwQ7Yo6MoPfG02hxYJstKvphkpWeGRCplWXNMcZf8Fep3HeKEfOT5BE0djQsIGRkAkvG9CqvquBL9P53JgRqAA/ZMfv6LHUZZ1FFHE084= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:36:14 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1626_27839654.1196969774277" References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: <24lA2.A.VRB.DVFWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:02:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1626_27839654.1196969774277 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a B-Band UST (Under Saddle Transducer) and AST (Acoustic Soundboard Transducer) combo installed in my Larrivee. The each goes into a different channel of the on-board preamp that allows me to blend the two. The AST seems to be pretty responsive to knocking on the soundboard (though I admit to not doing it very often in isolation during gigs). They also have a mini condenser mic that attaches to one of the internal braces on the soundboard. I have no experience with the mic. My only complaint about the B-Band is that the signal, despite having an active preamp, actually puts out a lower-strength signal than the Pick-Up The World UST I have installed in my mandolin (passive). The PUTW UST picks up body knocks on the mando pretty well, too, come to think of it. To compensate for that, this last gig I actually grabbed my cheapo ART pre-amp and dialed up one of the Acoustic Guitar settings and it sounded quite good to my ears. Hope that helps. Cheers, Jon On Dec 6, 2007 12:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern > equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm > starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo > doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does > fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use > and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've > gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am > wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with > having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my > current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin > with a TRS jack...?). > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret > and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted > pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the > headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was > done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments > here since. > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just > something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big > spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious > if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > ------=_Part_1626_27839654.1196969774277 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I've got a B-Band UST (Under Saddle Transducer) and AST (Acoustic Soundboard Transducer) combo installed in my Larrivee. The each goes into a different channel of the on-board preamp that allows me to blend the two. The AST seems to be pretty responsive to knocking on the soundboard (though I admit to not doing it very often in isolation during gigs). They also have a mini condenser mic that attaches to one of the internal braces on the soundboard. I have no experience with the mic.

My only complaint about the B-Band is that the signal, despite having an active preamp, actually puts out a lower-strength signal than the Pick-Up The World UST I have installed in my mandolin (passive). The PUTW UST picks up body knocks on the mando pretty well, too, come to think of it.

To compensate for that, this last gig I actually grabbed my cheapo ART pre-amp and dialed up one of the Acoustic Guitar settings and it sounded quite good to my ears.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Jon

On Dec 6, 2007 12:38 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern
equipment that will be eventually used in looping...

I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm
starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo
doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does
fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use
and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've
gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am
wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with
having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my
current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin
with a TRS jack...?).

Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret
and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted
pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the
headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was
done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments
here since.

Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox,
tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar,
that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of
the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just
something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big
spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious
if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com


------=_Part_1626_27839654.1196969774277-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:03:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06A2A3BEE2; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) From: Jeff Larson To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 14:03:17 -0600 Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Thread-Topic: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Thread-Index: Acg4NzR3KhgkJM1aSmmjHB0eYvUj1wAC1N9A Message-ID: <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7142949DB0AFB@barq.sailpoint.com> References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:03:10 +0000 (UTC) > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor I know several people that love the FMR Really Nice Compressor (RNC) http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:04:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D223BF02; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74BD0A48-B293-4429-AC49-63F667F16022@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:07:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:38 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does > concern equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but > I'm starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and > the piezo doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An > external mic does fine with this of course, but I want something > suitable for onstage use and I hate having to hold more or less > still in front of a mic. I've gotten a recommendation (thanks > Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am wondering if anyone's had > experience with anything else, especially with having two different > pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my current setup and > add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin with a TRS > jack...?). Schertler Dyn-G (or M) as a sole "acoustic" pickup and for picking up all the Derek Bailey type clicks/ scrapes/ bangs etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:16:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 938EE3BF08; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=b//Wz6M/dQklRGcuznEaYj0WVRxzTL/xm+HBsfx6Zk0/lTN8pk1HssMxsiu3ije3KWbi+Xxl8TM9LJRqWHH9hCFubwa6H+WLhFgVkhsoGnEthYh9pw/fDNIJVREeM4ocWz496Bov/4WfLxWINJwuPbtTNoh5310sqAvtI5Hi46U=; X-YMail-OSG: EzXsn5MVM1kKs7qmpgqYd79r1ZEKELaVhK3Icf01Lgy30BPWMIBLLzmIkhDhPvs69.Rt091J021xWWBWBvd1PhxSzB_ngmzVc14kQhzGMYFMe1b05sw- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:16:41 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <186769.22422.qm@web34215.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Man I just love my B-band system (Made in Finland) on my Cordoba I repaired and rebuilt with some custom appointments. It is the bomb!!! I have not had a pickup besides my Sunrise soundhole p.u. that is so incredibly transparent. In that I will explain that it adds slim and none detectable to normal human ears anyway as to electronic interference/coloration. I pump them into a Yamaha Magicstomp, take the stereo out into a Alesis Midiverb to the input of my boomerang phrase sampler and output to my two new Ultrasound Amplifiers. One for left channel One for right. Im sure there are better ways to route electronics and amps and I will certainly admit I have a lot of learning to do! Stay loopy over the Christmas season through the new year to be :o) --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern > equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm > starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo > doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does > fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use > and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've > gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am > wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with > having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my > current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin > with a TRS jack...?). > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret > and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted > pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the > headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was > done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments > here since. > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just > something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big > spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious > if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3B33BEFB; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=MEWt+Ecv+7E7eROSKYJ/EYsRu/Kf7G+yRUmRRNMcRTReOcTKzroyH4PGZ9vZuSh6eM7fvcucJYktr3pM2R7LoHCBvxeIC+IHK+5bubTBICZdBYCAGTIxOQ2A/SoXSA+WIxrZWXpBq2bnWEyGFy0XX8EFSR7frA7iuT8mNxnsq74=; X-YMail-OSG: Owlj7iMVM1niWIijhvQCszNAoExGn.vzCf6dYFXEetfli8LNct3Y_eqXgxLdxZl..Ipmeo0eWpEnaTXS_uEWdEzMBVKv7CkhcEOcWr5fWCfaUiBF20Q- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:24:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <973843.71099.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Man I just love my B-band system (Made in Finland) on my Cordoba I repaired and rebuilt with some custom appointments. It is the bomb!!! I have not had a pickup besides my Sunrise soundhole p.u. that is so incredibly transparent. In that I will explain that it adds slim and none detectable to normal human ears anyway as to electronic interference/coloration. I pump them into a Yamaha Magicstomp, take the stereo out into a Alesis Midiverb to the input of my boomerang phrase sampler and output to my two new Ultrasound Amplifiers. One for left channel One for right. Im sure there are better ways to route electronics and amps and I will certainly admit I have a lot of learning to do! Stay loopy over the Christmas season through the new year to be :o) Here are some links: 1-888-308-1557 UJC Electronics (Ultrasound) www.myspace.com/ultrasoundamps www.b-band.com www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern > equipment that will be eventually used in looping... > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm > starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo > doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does > fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use > and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've > gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am > wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with > having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my > current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin > with a TRS jack...?). > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret > and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted > pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the > headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was > done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments > here since. > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just > something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big > spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious > if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D4613BF15; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47585CA9.6070002@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:33:45 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> <72023928-60D6-402C-B692-B02C50A136D2@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <72023928-60D6-402C-B692-B02C50A136D2@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the responses, everyone. The EBS comp really does look good from reviews, I'd originally thought it was just for bass (being made by a bass products company) but I see recs from guitarists too. The Really Nice Compressor is tempting as I can use in the studio as well... Lots and lots of good choices for pickups, it's a little overwhelming. The ($300!) Schertler looks great, especially as I could throw it up on the headstock, though it's hard to get over its resemblance to the Radio Shack buzzer contact mic I made for $10. The active Baggs looks nice, and also the possibility of actual in-hole mics, all of these should do well with percussive stuff. this gives me an advanced starting point, much appreciated ya'll. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1D3F3BF05; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PCbifCUxi/DISQCsNG+2n+sh6jpxx14XtntT5GUsD70pZIwNgDS3AdwdVN6EimiandGd/GxxtCMOBZAoMSE+t9s5msMvqHfHtxnFrTIq86zlhGzocoDMcHKIJDB6r7+Zq+tOjRT1MhEb5zYAQV0uRKTRsw+stb0HvslFBUbiBSk=; X-YMail-OSG: huUCZCUVM1nyr8ZECx.jCDFz1XvBFo.Yy79DpcHJL.wMikYBkQwcFIBaNFGQwg0QaQYptECF5hsqRyA5ZJnSJYokMaNuCAf9mLNOd78fIeVe0c9QE1w- Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:48:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47585CA9.6070002@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <378920.43410.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <711aBB.A.8JD.cAGWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:48:28 +0000 (UTC) I would encourage you to go with the acoustic feather by McIntyre, Schertler, or even a schaller mounted on the bridge plate under the bridge, instead of a soundhole mic. Basically its like a hurricane/tornado inside the guitar and although a little air is good to catch too much is a bad thing in most cases. Please take my master instructors advice into consideration as to William Eaton, John Reuter, Rick Turner, Robert "Mudd" Mazullo and Joe Vallees priceless experiences.... Change is always in the air and they are not afraid to break the rules once in a while if there is a reason for it! www.roberto-venn.com --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Thanks for all the responses, everyone. The EBS comp really does look > good from reviews, I'd originally thought it was just for bass (being > made by a bass products company) but I see recs from guitarists too. The > Really Nice Compressor is tempting as I can use in the studio as well... > > Lots and lots of good choices for pickups, it's a little overwhelming. > The ($300!) Schertler looks great, especially as I could throw it up on > the headstock, though it's hard to get over its resemblance to the Radio > Shack buzzer contact mic I made for $10. The active Baggs looks nice, > and also the possibility of actual in-hole mics, all of these should do > well with percussive stuff. > > this gives me an advanced starting point, much appreciated ya'll. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 20:55:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2E703BF16; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 858 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:55:32 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=z32bsVihKDrPdXslL24/jYMf/ZlZ52iTuGLVZJUbal8=; b=OBMZRvHpKKuvW6H4J7TWBBMrG+4VXCl8MkAfe3zueOLbuhQL8mMIyTQqQpLkS6M+X4NUuo88u82Gs11sZvZe9bfu19ZmepsaMCjn265Crur0/mZmion+Du5xlxoxvd9fTpOeh3uxpaWI7PoccWQ866CdLhK8ELI1yFZdj8xRCRY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UiN51TlvxKIt/01JzkU4x0EjQlY9TmlZvZ1lPwIVqqIM4hIvClmC6JqAEyuj8+roN0TNdavoNpjZnrGpdGY6BSTOHjYG5JplIeYnXT8XmV21YsTTunvCFtstxBjpTASFP61PuAaJE6BjbViDHM6gwqpri6+ZrD/JrUIAb4UD3N0= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 12:41:07 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: LOOP and LOOP In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206682A8C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <008f01c837ed$70fb18a0$6702a8c0@RUELLE> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7206682A8C@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:55:32 +0000 (UTC) It makes more sense in the subtitled version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llu0OhQMhyM&feature=related Okay, no it doesn't. Dig that rare 4-speaker JC combo though! TH On Dec 6, 2007 4:54 AM, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > I don't know what the looping relevance is, & I'm not about to kick off > about it being slightly OT or anything, but... > > t From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 21:00:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A94203BF1F; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:00:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03fd01c8384a$f9a821e0$6a01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <141801c83820$c1124c90$5901a8c0@bobdell> <6CB69A65-E8D4-4925-85FF-3B637F77F8A7@mac.com> <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> <7872203368197C4691224688958BE7142949DB0AFB@barq.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:00:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:00:06 +0000 (UTC) I like the RNC a lot, I keep one in my bass rig all the time. A great unit for the price! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 12:03 PM Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, half-rack) compressor I know several people that love the FMR Really Nice Compressor (RNC) http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 22:05:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B4FC3BF05; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001401c83854$0e22a920$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <4757B3D5.2030801@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:05:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, No confusion, it's a helpful explanation. thanks. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler" To: Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:33 AM Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps > Ian Popperwell wrote: > (but general to the discussion > >> the sound nicely. You could try the TL Audio FatMan or the Fat2 (I have >> the Fat2) and it's a tube pre with a tube compressor and is about 4U >> high, but half rack width. - it sounds great and they sometimes go >> secondhand (no longer made). >> > > The TLA stuff is very good, but mostly they use hybrid design). > They also do the only "true tube" pre-amp that I know of > ( er..there may be more, but I can't afford them anyway) > this is the PA-1, it has a specialist pentode valve as the first > stage of amplification. > > Generally they use transistors for the first stage, because there's less > noise(eg, the Fat2. > > ECC83/12AX7A valves are then used for the second (less gain) stage of > amplification. > As is almost always the case with "tube" mic-pres, really they are > transistor > pres followed by a valve stage for coloration. > I've been tempted to say that it's only a "true tube" if the actual > pre-amp (the critical first stage of amplification) is a valve. I hope > that hasn't caused confusion, as this quite plainly disagrees with > manufacturers claims for their products. > > andy butler > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 6 23:30:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B40203BECD; Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: acoustic pickups Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 15:30:56 -0800 Message-ID: <005701c83860$0d1672d0$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acg4Wb96ho/Pd6qiQLOjABqNQoRPlAAAJmCw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:30:40 +0000 (UTC) I have had an RMC 6 saddle midi capable pickup on my hecho in Mexico, Carlos Pena flamenco for several years and I'm just about to switch to the same pickup I have in my Martin OM-18, that is a Dtar wavelength. One reason is the RMC has metal saddles which are rough on nylon strings, and compromise the guitars acoustic tone, and its preamp seems a little wimpy when really laying in to the guitar. But mostly its about sound, the Wavelength is just clearer and more robust sounding, and it has better headroom characteristics than any of the current 9 volt piezo systems I've had, namely the B-band, the highlander( a close second )the Fishman matrix, a Takamine pre-amp on board an nylon string, or ones I have tried,, the new on board taylor expression, and Yamahas new multi-source, both have excellent dynamic range as well. The wavelength voltage conversion circuit and Rick Turner designed preamp are an 18 volt system allowing for greater dynamic range with less distortion in the high end (the dreaded quack). In other words I can smack the crap out of a guitar equipped with this system, snap string hit the bridge, you name it and it holds its own. It also has stereo capability allowing for another piezo element or sound hole pickup to be added (not an option on nylon string guitars of course). In my last talks with Rick Turner he had just, installed a combination of a wavelength and a dtar excelerometer (a small high quality disc transducer, in the guitars of the firey young Mexican flamenco meets metal duo Rodrigo Y Gabriela, the smaller transducer mounted in front of the bridge to capture Gabriela' s percussive slaps. For these Artists, and anyone doing higher volume acoustic playing, mics are pretty much out of the question due to feedback issues, Me personally, I have a mic built in to the Duncan mag mic pickup that I use on a Hawaiian lap guitar, but I only use a little bit of mic as it gets too touchy close to monitors particularly when looping. Did you see how cleverly I used the word looping so as not to be too OT, Oops I did it again.., but I digress, I don't think you would be able to add a pickup to your takamine on board system without adding an extra output jack, so I'm not sure how to advise you there. Simply wiring an extra pickup in mono with your onboard system may prove unfeasible, ask a tech you trust. Lastly I love My Keeley compressor, it has internal trim adjustments that allow it to behave more like a studio compressor than a stomp box, ie you can adjust its sensitivity to handle active and higher signal levels, without the dreaded breathing and pumping, and dynamics squashing that happens when you feed a normal stomp box compressors a hot signal. Hope that helps Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:09:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DB973BEAF; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=6fmXnSV31OJAswYB6BUA:9 a=npFPhMGu75IlY6SMkzmEQSqiXM4A:4 a=flLyb6fsAacA:10 a=kZDQ2csh-oYA:10 a=NGHEUkiWgr4A:10 a=K8sKunsjz6wA:10 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:09:28 -0800 Message-ID: <001501c83886$f64ccaa0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acg4Nz7qrDHluts9QK6Ey2QAT3rvagATznsg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, I do lots of acoustic banging and I love my L.R. Baggs I-Beam. It installs underneath, near the bridge, and you can experiment with placement. It sounds very natural. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern equipment that will be eventually used in looping... I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin with a TRS jack...?). Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments here since. Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:11:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE05C3BECD; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=6fmXnSV31OJAswYB6BUA:9 a=SnYwdJrH-o8T9qD9h_zj3mBNRSwA:4 a=flLyb6fsAacA:10 a=kZDQ2csh-oYA:10 a=NGHEUkiWgr4A:10 a=K8sKunsjz6wA:10 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:11:42 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acg4Nz7qrDHluts9QK6Ey2QAT3rvagAT9TOw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76974 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:11:40 +0000 (UTC) Daryl part 2, I highly recommend the RNC as well. Excellent value, very transparent, with two "modes", and it has stereo ins and outs. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:38 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of course it does concern equipment that will be eventually used in looping... I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine nylon-string, but I'm starting to do more banging on the guitar body these days and the piezo doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An external mic does fine with this of course, but I want something suitable for onstage use and I hate having to hold more or less still in front of a mic. I've gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the Baggs Element, but am wondering if anyone's had experience with anything else, especially with having two different pickup systems in one guitar. I'd like to keep my current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the output at the endpin with a TRS jack...?). Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that appear between the fret and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by standard-mounted pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a pickup mounted up on the headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an electric) and was done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are some kind of developments here since. Finally, I'm looking for a really really good portable (i.e., stompbox, tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic guitar, that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and doesn't produce any of the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, just something to musically accentuate the harmonics and even out the big spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm curious if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic guitar. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:22:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7703D3BED3; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=wbvh532lf196yEDaW+6PcFwxV80V3yWhAIdVMTdkfFU=; b=OHrBiWMq2++GOhierGRjckQUPxtOoahoQ2bRwuEuFtQ4LJV42EKJc2gY1Y3XJG6GgjgDCySlOhk7doXPVTkbjroLbwwY8WuLVwZinPw3D4lSxiWm3dIklccvP0D1YDE+I9QiBPL3CHRBWSh2EA76a8HWMIy00WzAW4acMDw7Bqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=rTFNBUAgg+d3ALn+1xlpIlPWPeqBh495K4QigutBubwaTWgO+wr554YQT1kVuTfHQR74EsFfC/TqClz/SiPSkwyfOQ2cu+CGEShXwZc+Kwmkcsa5nSvFB/Sijhen0J0y7ePi0ctJpIEeG2ziENCBoafRoQXH/B2yH9aH/AE/y6Q= From: "Tony K" To: References: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 23:22:58 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c83888$dacfac50$906f04f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg4Nz7qrDHluts9QK6Ey2QAT3rvagAT9TOwAABS5hA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76975 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:22:57 +0000 (UTC) The RNC almost always gets great reviews. Tony -----Original Message----- From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Daryl part 2, I highly recommend the RNC as well. Excellent value, very transparent, with two "modes", and it has stereo ins and outs. ~Greg No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: 12/6/2007 10:11 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:33:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83F1A3BECF; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> Subject: 'slow gear' effect Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:33:25 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg1XidBMZPT3tnERqa/YOvu3SoZhwDK8SKg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dcd52021b000096c5.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76976 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:33:34 +0000 (UTC) Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect? Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect that I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:41:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A2783BEC2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:41:07 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks everyone for the additional recommendations, much appreciated. I didn't realize the RNC had stereo ins, which along with the high recommendations and appropriateness for other uses in the studio might make it the winner. I think I have lots of choices for pickups, the I-Beam is a tempting one for easy installation. The main issues to resolve are the two outputs, as I really want to keep the current electronics (it always gets compliments, and in the studio we almost always picked it, through an Avalon M5 direct box I fell in love with, over a Neumann condenser). I don't mind having a second output in the body (it'll make people wonder what I'm up to :-D ), I'll just need to find a good luthier. For the headstock pickup I may just go with a cheap piezo stick-on, I'm not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe I'd just attach it as needed. extra thanks for the especially detailed response, Bill! I'll have to check out the Dtars, and also Rodrigo Y Gabriela, one would think I'd have heard of them by now... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Daryl part 2, > I highly recommend the RNC as well. Excellent value, very transparent, with > two "modes", and it has stereo ins and outs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:44:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39DC23BED9; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4758CF95.7070206@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:44:05 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:44:10 +0000 (UTC) Let me provide some help for once...looooove this effect. In case you don't find what you want in software, Guyatone makes a pedal version that's nice and compact and, I'm told, sounds really good. Not pricey, either. http://guyatone.com/Sv2.php The original Boss pedals (which the SE-70 patch is based on) are hard to find and really expensive now. Note that the pedal is merely an envelope effector, it doesn't have any reverb or delay component. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect? > Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect that > I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps > other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 04:47:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A02EB3BED8; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: small , inexpensive Asus laptop Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:47:20 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg2SEMEIgh7xnvFQtWLdLIRkie/qgCQ6Peg Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {DF8CAD4D-6EA1-48CD-A627-2A5A1F642B48} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: stU= AE/8 APfw AWSO AxtT DUg8 D4kx FprN GXCR HFl6 JNu3 JjPz JllP KHoL Kte6 LRax;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{DF8CAD4D-6EA1-48CD-A627-2A5A1F642B48};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Fri, 07 Dec 2007 04:47:08 GMT;cwBtAGEAbABsACAALAAgAGkAbgBlAHgAcABlAG4AcwBpAHYAZQAgAEEAcwB1AHMAIABsAGEAcAB0AG8AcAA= X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd099022200009f12.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:47:36 +0000 (UTC) This could possibly be an interesting computer for some applications http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4055&review=ASUS+Eee+PC+4G+ %28white%29 its ultra portable, can run Linux OS, has USB but no FW. Costs <$400 -Qua From emimpen@server.ik.nl Fri Dec 7 05:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 169649 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 05:41:51 UTC Received: from server.ik.nl (ik.nl [83.149.96.188]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B923BEC7 for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 24976 invoked by uid 2525); 4 Dec 2007 04:04:11 +0100 Date: 4 Dec 2007 04:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: <20071204030411.24973.qmail@server.ik.nl> To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Urgent Proposal From: E.Lukmann Reply-To: edwardlukmann2007@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >From Mr. Edward Lukmann Dear Friend, It is my great honor to communicate with you. I hope that you receive this letter in peace and in good condition of health. I know that this message will be of a great surprise to you since you do not know me before. I got your contact details from your company website over the internet and after going through your/company profile I decided to contact you in respect of the below mentioned transaction. I am Mr. Edward Lukmann. I am the auditor to the Falkland Islands Department of Mineral Resources. I am contacting you in respect of an urgent and lucrative transaction. This deal involves the transfer of Twelve Million Great Britain Pounds (£12 Million) out of the mineral resources account with Standard Chartered Bank London UK into any personal or company account overseas. This is my main purpose of contacting you so you can provide an international company or personal account to receive these funds as well as provide your support to successfully conclude this transaction. You will be getting 40% and me 60% at the conclusion of this transaction. This amount result from the deal myself and one of the DMR executive did during our annual audit for the mining and natural gas industry in Falkland Islands this year. All I need is your total support and sincerity to transfer these funds to your overseas account with your name or company name as a contractor to the Falkland Island Department of Mineral Resources. Every process will be done perfectly without anyone getting into trouble either in your country or mine. In other words I guarantee you 100% risk free in this deal. Please if you are not interested pretend that you never receive this letter and if you are interested do let me know as soon as possible by sending your contact telephone numbers and other vital details. Forgive me for contacting you through this medium for a transaction like this. It is all due to privacy and security. Sincerely Yours, Edward. 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Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 0:12:09 -0700 From: "Lady Ruth Latsis" Reply-To: myheart550@yahoo.com.hk X-Mailer: TupiMail - www.tupimail.com - FreeBSD:apache:v5.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Barracuda-Connect: webmail2.gwtc.net[64.251.162.5] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1197011529 Message-Id: <20071207071209.84107B516A7@filter1.e-filtering.net> X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by E-Filtering Spam Firewall at e-filtering.net X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: eieioran@gwtc.net X-Barracuda-Quarantine-Per-User: PER_USER X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 6.14 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: Yes, SCORE=6.14 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=5.0 KILL_LEVEL=7.0 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1, BSF_SC0_SA083, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, MISSING_HEADERS, MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID, SARE_FRAUD_X3, SARE_FRAUD_X4, TO_CC_NONE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.1, rules version 3.1.35932 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.70 MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID Message-Id for external message added locally 0.19 MISSING_HEADERS Missing To: header 0.28 MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR URI: Includes a link to a likely spammer email 1.67 SARE_FRAUD_X4 Matches 4+ phrases commonly used in fraud spam 0.00 ADVANCE_FEE_1 Appears to be advance fee fraud (Nigerian 419) 1.67 SARE_FRAUD_X3 Matches 3+ phrases commonly used in fraud spam 0.13 TO_CC_NONE No To: or Cc: header 1.50 BSF_SC0_SA083 Custom Rule SA083 To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: Lady Ruth Latsis 18-20 N=2ENikodimou street, Athens,Greece=2E Here writes Lady Ruth Latsis suffering from cancerous ailment=2E I am marr= ied to Lord John S=2E Latsis,a Greek shipping tycoon notable for his great = wealth, influential extended family, and charitable activities all his life= before his death=2E=20 Our life together as man and wife lasted for three decades without child=2E= My husband died after a protracted illness in April 17, 2003=2E My husband= and I made a vow to uplift the down-trodden and the less-privileged indivi= duals as he had passion for persons who can not help themselves due to phys= ical disability or financial predicament=2E I can adduce this to the fact t= hat he needed a Child from this relationship, which never came=2E When my l= ate husband was alive he deposited the sum of 2=2E5 Million (2=2E5 Million = Great Britain Pounds Sterling which were derived from his vast estates and = investment in capital market with his bank in United Kingdom and named me = as the beneficiary of this trust fund=2E=20 Presently, this money is still with the Bank=2E Recently, my Doctor told me= that I have limited days to live due to the cancerous problems I am suffer= ing from=2E Though what bothers me most is the stroke that I have in additi= on to the cancer=2E With this hard reality that has befallen my family, and= me I have decided to donate this fund to you and want you to use this gift= which comes from my husbands effort to fund the upkeep of widows, widowers= , orphans, destitute, the down-trodden, physically challenged children, bar= ren-women and persons who prove to be genuinely handicapped financially=2E = It is often said that blessed is the hand that giveth=2E I took this decisi= on because I do not have any child that will inherit this money and my husb= and relatives are bourgeois and very wealthy persons and I do not want my h= usband's hard earned money to be misused or invested into ill perceived ven= tures=2E I do not want a situation where this money will be used in a world= ly manner, hence the reason for taking this bold decision=2E I am not afrai= d of death hence I know where I am going=2E=2E=20 I do not need any telephone communication in this regard due to my deterior= ating health and because of the presence of my husbands relatives around me= as i am currently bed ridden in the Family house here in 18-20 N=2ENikodim= ou street, Athens and do not receive any visitors unless approved by Thomas= Lastis who is the immediate younger brother to my late husband=2E I do not= want them to know about this development in order to safeguard this beques= t=2E=20 As soon as I receive your reply I shall give you the contact of the bank in= UK=2E I will also authorise my Private Attorney in the UK whom i communica= te with via emails all the time,to issue a Letter of Authority that will em= power you as the new beneficiary of this fund,he would also endorse my WILL= where i will name you as the beneficiary of the 2=2E5 Million GBP=2E My ha= ppiness is that I lived a life worthy of emulation=2E Please always be kind= hearted all through your life=2E Please assure me that you will act just as I have stated herein=2E Hope to = hear from you soon , it is well with you and members of your family=2E Please do contact me via email with your response through my personal email= address: myheart550@yahoo=2Ecom=2Ehk Lady Ruth Latsis=2E From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 10:12:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 984DB3BEC2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=KDYduPjPY6JQuLDIDIvUnhy2eyU0zHE13sf7hvIXCKs=; b=j9cP1ghHyc4QeIjiowhlTcyBw7+LTI9rKocKufWnjbzoeW/LyNKeI7iODFa6Xa136vhzYeVVDLvz/F4AYLS78HoOHBcSV0+MRaln48hQxVIN5MDF5zT58IG5IcxIRMlDwkioTdbE1962Z4oGCKAX5TMB608RCGhvb2dVtbsOGFw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EOHkQ8ob5NZEZ8JWB+DRtQ8IG6sb4joaF6TQ60orQbypka6i8V5fHNdnXIyVuuunWRmcUfa1rFLmvwMlaMxo5F5WUdkQslIKWMLkqdXkuz0AL1aVSa5/dyb2jqWDjb46ptUSL/M7KWmFb5O17d11y64RkyryFTVgQ3a8gryJPEI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: small , inexpensive Asus laptop Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:12:49 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <56qGrB.A.GrB.oyRWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:12:56 +0000 (UTC) On 7 dec 2007, at 05.47, Qua Veda wrote: > This could possibly be an interesting computer for some applications > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4055&review=ASUS > +Eee+PC+4G+ > %28white%29 > > its ultra portable, can run Linux OS, has USB but no FW. Costs <$400 > > -Qua These two factors will probably make it less good for audio: >> Processor: Intel Celeron M ULV 900MHz >> Graphics: Integrated Intel GMA 900 GPU However, for word processing and office work on the fly it definitely seems to bring good value for the money. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 10:21:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58523BEB8; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=AVeOS/0xzvG7WCK7OBJh7+D4IeJ4LORm2WNv91NuByw=; b=SgH1Ur/iAESxxnWEgL8Jxe2WzDFCrBEClggiwYho17VjkHlr2BJK9OIeQOMVI7SLCDp6F6/8t7NWqAkx2au3j9ZXkwxL3CQzSaKY76M3tcqKLZ9qdjWlIgjnXO2UjboE8oCiKbmgzNPsswAQGwIbp8j5oYDzdcFrF6+7Rc/oPkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pdqG/6cZIjc5sfMsz1Cu1xgPw+g/0p/MfDKLKJJC+EMvu8DDdYWmArnG2V6HAEAkl/ldCEG16zGLZSx0F9igmpHnmurp8sibznJ43Bli2wToVbiqmKbuAIxytjh6U5q2SammSU0VgT8q9dRAtzIPeNnkYFc1TQEXpkqugTgZFaE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7B0CC508-B0B3-40BE-A3C9-5AB0C1D07C22@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:21:38 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:21:47 +0000 (UTC) On 7 dec 2007, at 05.33, Qua Veda wrote: > It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. My TC FireworX had a couple of those patches. Seem many programmable boxes have them. I truly dislike those patches - although I love the sound they produce. My hang-up is that I prefer to play the swell and sustain manually on the physical instrument. That's just so more expressive and fun to play with. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 11:31:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D13C3BEB8; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> <7B0CC508-B0B3-40BE-A3C9-5AB0C1D07C22@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7B0CC508-B0B3-40BE-A3C9-5AB0C1D07C22@gmail.com> Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:30:49 -0800 Message-ID: <001c01c838c4$a032d310$e0987930$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg4uypQEndp2sc1S1+QYOlr9i2X2QACTTTQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D2f2701c600000c47.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:31:05 +0000 (UTC) The effect I'm thinking of on the Boss SE70 was more than a swell, it created a very rich sound. I don't have one to play with now, so I can recall what the multi effect included. But it was very nice for some things. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:22 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect On 7 dec 2007, at 05.33, Qua Veda wrote: > It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. My TC FireworX had a couple of those patches. Seem many programmable boxes have them. I truly dislike those patches - although I love the sound they produce. My hang-up is that I prefer to play the swell and sustain manually on the physical instrument. That's just so more expressive and fun to play with. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 11:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B37283BEC7; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: small , inexpensive Asus laptop Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:32:31 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c838c4$dbffa990$93fefcb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg4ufrsgZdGtPyPRRy5BG7OxSVf+wACqWTA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D2f8d01c600000cc9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:32:35 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking that maybe it could be useful , not for processing all the audio, but for building some controls, or perhaps specific effect. Anyway, good to see some of these ultra portable units coming out. The ones with real power won't be inexpensive. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:13 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: small , inexpensive Asus laptop On 7 dec 2007, at 05.47, Qua Veda wrote: > This could possibly be an interesting computer for some applications > http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4055&review=ASUS > +Eee+PC+4G+ > %28white%29 > > its ultra portable, can run Linux OS, has USB but no FW. Costs <$400 > > -Qua These two factors will probably make it less good for audio: >> Processor: Intel Celeron M ULV 900MHz >> Graphics: Integrated Intel GMA 900 GPU However, for word processing and office work on the fly it definitely seems to bring good value for the money. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 11:35:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D6B13BEB0; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 397 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:35:10 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=OATEmk4PqSeMxXt9I1heQ/lMkltURtk6PBz7hFKhuCXDk4C4PV6Cc2gVNGDhBXKiCOQWjtStGQkFpXr8x3y2iTJahTac6aEQtMPmyEqKYik19ol4Sj+3xxf4PWceap++sN4xrsDPdb7/++c9yAlfh09hoF0Eoj1d5zgif5F1ZoE= ; X-YMail-OSG: sAdWpcYVM1lT_cNdfCCdwblk6c.4aKPFWxG2YMex80yj6q_hOB8EJgYBzDi.ad7RlX7gl1kNr1Aq77lEg_mkWYg2WTrc8vfKSyAAULj6i5Oxqmg_ Message-ID: <006b01c838c4$4b005e80$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: Subject: Hi guys! Just introducing myself.. Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:28:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0068_01C838C4.4A655700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071206-0, 06/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:35:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C838C4.4A655700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Ricky, i've just joined the mailing list! I thought i'd share = some of my music with you @ www.myspace.com/rickygraham - I have two = loop videos on there (in black & white) and would be keen to hear your = thoughts. Take care, Ricky www.rickygraham.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C838C4.4A655700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My name is Ricky, i've just joined the = mailing=20 list! I thought i'd share some of my music with you @ www.myspace.com/rickygraham - I=20 have two loop videos on there (in black & white) and would be keen = to hear=20 your thoughts.
 
Take care,
 
Ricky
 
www.rickygraham.net =
 
------=_NextPart_000_0068_01C838C4.4A655700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 11:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06EC03BEAF; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41df5ab9-0203-4cc1-bca1-a53ce009fc6e_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.239.161] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:55:35 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4758CF95.7070206@mhorse.com> References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> <4758CF95.7070206@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2007 11:55:35.0732 (UTC) FILETIME=[13D3C740:01C838C8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:55:37 +0000 (UTC) --_41df5ab9-0203-4cc1-bca1-a53ce009fc6e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable werid, i Just got home from a shopping trip in manchester today with a new = toy the behringer "Slow Motion" pedal. =20 its a volume envolope pedal obviously modelled on the slow gear, it cost m= e =A320 which is a rediculously cheap price for such a cool pedal. =20 no verb or anything, just the variable attack speed and threshod to trigge= r the gate =20 Phill MyOneManBand> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:44:05 -0600> From: highhorse@m= horse.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: Re: 'slow gear= ' effect> > Let me provide some help for once...looooove this effect. In ca= se you > don't find what you want in software, Guyatone makes a pedal versi= on > that's nice and compact and, I'm told, sounds really good. Not pricey,= > either.> > http://guyatone.com/Sv2.php> > The original Boss pedals (whic= h the SE-70 patch is based on) are hard to > find and really expensive now.= Note that the pedal is merely an envelope > effector, it doesn't have any = reverb or delay component.> > Daryl Shawn> www.swanwelder.com> www.chinapai= ntingmusic.com> > > Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear= ' effect?> > Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear= effect that> > I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-= 70, and perhaps> > other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type = effect that creates> > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound.> >> > -Q= ua>=20 _________________________________________________________________ The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail http://www.newhotmail.co.uk= --_41df5ab9-0203-4cc1-bca1-a53ce009fc6e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable werid, i Just got home from a shopping trip in manchester today with a new = toy
the behringer "Slow Motion" pedal.
 
its a volume envolope pedal  obviously modelled on the slow gear, it c= ost me =A320 which is a rediculously cheap price for such a cool pedal.
 
no  verb or anything, just the variable attack speed and threshod to t= rigger the gate
 
Phill MyOneManBand

> Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 22:44:05 -0600
>= From: highhorse@mhorse.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=
> Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect
>
> Let me provide so= me help for once...looooove this effect. In case you
> don't find wh= at you want in software, Guyatone makes a pedal version
> that's nic= e and compact and, I'm told, sounds really good. Not pricey,
> eithe= r.
>
> http://guyatone.com/Sv2.php
>
> The origin= al Boss pedals (which the SE-70 patch is based on) are hard to
> fin= d and really expensive now. Note that the pedal is merely an envelope
&= gt; effector, it doesn't have any reverb or delay component.
>
&g= t; Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
> www.chinapaintingmusic.co= m
>
> > Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow = gear' effect?
> > Not sure if this is a common term, but the so ca= lled slow gear effect that
> > I'm referring to can be produced by= a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps
> > other processors. It i= s a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates
> > kind of = a volume swell and sustained sound.
> >
> > -Qua
> =


Can you guess the film? Search Charades! = --_41df5ab9-0203-4cc1-bca1-a53ce009fc6e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 12:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A59803BECD; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19CYiRI3ZRC3peV+wbPs7CBDJrtaGq2hfV1viHDDz VRNkAZB+Fxw+db Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <006b01c838c4$4b005e80$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> References: <006b01c838c4$4b005e80$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--321660466 Message-Id: <6e21f7e64ea96b5d7703f341adde5381@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Hi guys! Just introducing myself.. Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:01:11 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:00:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--321660466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Welcome aboard, Ricky! Like your stuff - good looping, nice patterns=20 and soundscapes. Looking forward to your contributions to the list. Cheers from Switzerland Nico www.myspace.com/nicospahni www.recpro.ch Am 07.12.2007 um 12:28 schrieb Ricky Graham: > My name is Ricky, i've just joined the mailing list! I thought i'd=20 > share some of my music with you @ www.myspace.com/rickygraham - I have=20= > two loop videos on there (in black & white) and would be keen to hear=20= > your thoughts. > =A0 > Take care, > =A0 > Ricky > =A0 > www.rickygraham.net > =A0= --Apple-Mail-1--321660466 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Welcome aboard, Ricky! Like your stuff - good looping, nice patterns and soundscapes. Looking forward to your contributions to the list. Cheers from Switzerland Nico www.myspace.com/nicospahni www.recpro.ch Am 07.12.2007 um 12:28 schrieb Ricky Graham: ArialMy name is Ricky, i've just joined the mailing list! I thought i'd share some of my music with you @ 0000,0000,EEEEwww.myspace.com/rickygraham - I have two loop videos on there (in black & white) and would be keen to hear your thoughts. =A0 ArialTake = care, =A0 ArialRicky =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEwww.rickygraham.net = =A0= --Apple-Mail-1--321660466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 12:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575383BEC2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=qGUUtfWeWIdabTXGPwX03UdNLdpD/HlYMyW1cCtI1p8=; b=YFekq/Qiaf5S5OwL5qvrnzNrI0amyQjxhE+0JZbakoVrk0cd3jhyyKaAQhTo2fqjd2/K38gK2VNk+ZccKZUgIuNfzl47/sNI7WLj2eaUVDSdICcrNiuXFksymViUcq1tHV/e53o96lrSGJ/sEqduU0zruC2Xh1ZD+n7kVbLGw7g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SBPn8yOwN0ky4tHhYrtPQrkkmYkDL1u0+my++r19MaXAK+zc8jGXNit5HBRKvdiZNgSIwBJH6UzD4q18eH/H7hA7nyFb8syoJg8XHBrpho6JVqJNWVoVqvfSnB0w1XbpEWBsIQPkdBi1MDbvpkehyVUmdlYe+SshRunrj4pHFTg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001c01c838c4$a032d310$e0987930$@com> References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> <7B0CC508-B0B3-40BE-A3C9-5AB0C1D07C22@gmail.com> <001c01c838c4$a032d310$e0987930$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25F01172-68B1-4FB3-BD6E-69B063852187@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:01:59 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi Qua, I took five off to read up on the SE-70 and I really got surprised by how useful it seems! Below is what Patchmanmusic's Matt writes about the SE-70. Matt is the in-house sound designer at Patchmanmusic and his sounds are used by the leading wind controller synthesists of the world. If he thinks the SE-70 is "amazing" there must be something to it ;-) >> Boss SE-70 Super Effects Processor >> >> The Boss SE-70 is an amazing device. Aside from great sounding >> reverbs, delays, etc..., it has several effects that are not >> commonly found on other effects processors. It has 2 vocoders, a >> guitar synth, bass synth, (these synths can track any mono >> acoustic instrument complete with a dynamic enveloped filter and >> amp envelope!), a tuner, a 60 cycle hum remover, a vocal remover, >> TRUE stereo reverbs (stereo in and out), great sounding >> distortions and pitch shifters, a 20(!) tap delay, 16 stage >> chorus, 40 stage phaser, a sampler, and on and on. It can chain a >> large amount of effects for massive processing. It can respond to >> MIDI controllers and up to 3 pedals. It's a pretty cool device. It >> is capable of doing all sorts of things to your sounds. The guitar >> and bass synths algorithms can be used with the acoustic trumpet >> or flugelhorn as pitch-tracking synthesizers! That's right, this >> thing will track your horn and synthesize it (internally only- it >> doesn't do pitch to MIDI conversion). It sounds great! >> Obviously there is no way in the world to "guess" how the thick texture of your "slow gear" sound is done within the SE-70. What you can do is to get hold of a unit for a while and analyze it. That's what I did with the Eventide Eclipse and the TC Electronic FireworX. For the sounds I liked I checked out (1) what effect modules were in use, (2) how these modules were routed, (3) how parameters in different modules were linked to parameters in other modules for interactivity and finally (4) how the performance parameters where set up for the musician. When you learn a bit of this you can set up the same effect patches in software. But, I'm not sure this is true for the SE-70 though, since it has some functions that may not yet be available as software "under the same roof". Please don't take my words for truth here, because I have not played with e SE-70 yet. Links: http://www.patchmanmusic.com/MattsEVIGigRig01.html http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Boss/ SE-70/10/1 Per On 7 dec 2007, at 12.30, Qua Veda wrote: > The effect I'm thinking of on the Boss SE70 was more than a swell, it > created a very rich sound. I don't have one to play with now, so I > can > recall what the multi effect included. But it was very nice for > some > things. > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:22 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect > > On 7 dec 2007, at 05.33, Qua Veda wrote: > >> It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates >> kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. > > > My TC FireworX had a couple of those patches. Seem many programmable > boxes have them. I truly dislike those patches - although I love the > sound they produce. My hang-up is that I prefer to play the swell and > sustain manually on the physical instrument. That's just so more > expressive and fun to play with. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 14:28:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 441123BEB2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 67473 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:28:01 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YqEXjLBmDPCMWTBgbleKcgxlYf/fqJUPsO6ShbNPDnk=; b=FDcgD3+h/mERkqXQRy0GYlpinYy86NVl/FNcebRZPT5MOhrRzjIfVdMhf1v8zxI+9x2cbiCzdeqpYkcpRk0Dbd3gPOu0fN3uxoLUzNI4tpfEh1Ge897Ty39uJ7YUtChA1wL3qZo0lalXM2CRFjuR3EJGhzUGrPDFbcKgJsEnNvE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L88hV44qvsKmkbOrJk4w48iAlbxCJcRuMWm9f3T6dfKssXLg41g7rUeuPEPd1x3dIOQcL+Ew5HXp7isvhdv3TEhFG07dpRSUJsDZF56l1PM1DHFHbXXpvLdUTB6AbYeNESIK539/R4Q6mOKPPrBLZvbYt2gZbxxMPNp8/MqBqP0= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:28:00 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc In-Reply-To: <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_252_13889816.1197037680799" References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: <24qGGD.A.5R.xhVWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:28:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_252_13889816.1197037680799 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to me that maybe some type of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? That would be less bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' vibrations than a stick-on transducer somewhere on the headstock. Just a thought... Cheers, Jon On Dec 6, 2007 10:41 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > > > For the headstock pickup I may just go with a cheap piezo stick-on, I'm > not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe I'd just attach it as > needed. > > ------=_Part_252_13889816.1197037680799 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to me that maybe some type of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? That would be less bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' vibrations than a stick-on transducer somewhere on the headstock. Just a thought...

Cheers,
Jon

On Dec 6, 2007 10:41 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:


For the headstock pickup I may just go with a cheap piezo stick-on, I'm
not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe I'd just attach it as
needed.


------=_Part_252_13889816.1197037680799-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 15:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCB913BEC5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QVIqkMyKCU0+i6fHHwlJPEpzacrcr9UI8KiM3Zy6Qw4=; b=klJMSVsCIFCCh68btK9ula2Sg8rKlZNcYXUtWouPt0Tya7NsxLUorymYreic/D8xQSLe9TH+wS9xUugbuIxU6MY5zm9BC0EYPSqCke0O5Z6ZDZESpiVgGCozHIqWmlVpqWTUP5kY1hAWH+yaRiXNECSDDmrmC/3duBmjoLWBuT4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Wl9NQbBwEWRkX6rS2Y+X4dQAsJQa52vuHmndITXQVE4alqGN87SY1AhnXxmWD2CHl1UZnngXqxkdg1oZH6vGHGkPG663A5pfKnrN7Et3fMtq9d1rkqlCtdaT5nkpnrWaDCfSbPgFKZgiH0jx3vbaP/pWPyIg31nfr+Vuey+KESI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712070720s915fc2ew6db0a4137eb0cf51@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:20:12 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: small , inexpensive Asus laptop In-Reply-To: <001d01c838c4$dbffa990$93fefcb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> <001d01c838c4$dbffa990$93fefcb0$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <4f8UiC.A.LqB.uSWWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Might be good for low cpu music stuff like midi processing. Looks cool, thanks for bringing to my attention. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 15:21:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0093F3BED0; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VH1noM8hls2nMfQlzPFWwH2ntQcs2zotjdJiGDhVXcU=; b=KgBb3aDrbbcyH/H6mDI/Vz0HrqTpNExB1RFh6OprK38sImOgZ1WOag3cbCksxdrIzLJkT3NqB1GAAyb8A/Ldqu7ZXqwr/CYDIf0MmQMgCuRoqtPnzxgwlGcxyUc/ArUHmSSmmbySYkXHG1FHRicneJ3jm82S6tQ7j36/rPcMk4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=aXv7W28egJVY34Sw8lx84qrM64F6ll3ppx9004Fg+oL6nIsO71SpL3Ey10zoxhZwYDYJvV8ApGRjBpMGfuTQFGrEBTIlParxozuwYEJLv6w7hc4gbTIE10AXiB/vU5iZybz/CvYm09KueNJ7FwIhfx/X2SGor+S8VVMHhkh42uk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:21:27 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect In-Reply-To: <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_336_23927472.1197040887427" References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:21:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_336_23927472.1197040887427 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thinking back to when I had an SE-70, and given your description of the effect, it was probably a Slow Gear feeding the Mod Delay (with very slight modulation for the chorusing and feedback set for the desired amount of 'sustain') and likely with Reverb (especially if it was a preset; I seem to remember every preset having enough reverb to make sure you knew it was on there and working!). As to software, I don't know of any single plug-in that would take care of all of it, but I imagine the chain could be built in something like Audiomulch, Bidule, Reaktor, Pd, or Max with varying degrees of difficulty. I've got a patch on my Vortex (pretty sure I stole it from Andy Butler's Vortex pages) that does an incredibly rich version of this effect, but uses an expression pedal for the swells rather than an actual slow gear effect. Hope that helps. Cheers, Jon On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Qua Veda wrote: > Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect? > Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect that > I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps > other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that > creates > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. > > -Qua > > ------=_Part_336_23927472.1197040887427 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thinking back to when I had an SE-70, and given your description of the effect, it was probably a Slow Gear feeding the Mod Delay (with very slight modulation for the chorusing and feedback set for the desired amount of 'sustain') and likely with Reverb (especially if it was a preset; I seem to remember every preset having enough reverb to make sure you knew it was on there and working!).

As to software, I don't know of any single plug-in that would take care of all of it, but I imagine the chain could be built in something like Audiomulch, Bidule, Reaktor, Pd, or Max with varying degrees of difficulty.

I've got a patch on my Vortex (pretty sure I stole it from Andy Butler's Vortex pages) that does an incredibly rich version of this effect, but uses an expression pedal for the swells rather than an actual slow gear effect.

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Jon

On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> wrote:
Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect?
Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect that
I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps
other processors.  It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates
kind of a volume swell and sustained sound.

-Qua


------=_Part_336_23927472.1197040887427-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 15:50:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B8BD3BEC2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:50:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <000001c835d9$36d36c60$60041718@gwdesk> <000001c8388a$4f358910$eda09b30$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:50:11 -0800 Message-ID: <003401c838e8$da5faad0$8f1f0070$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0035_01C838A5.CC3C6AD0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg45RDDsSNf68lTSnKZlUss2tr4lQAA6zjg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6bef027c00007dbd.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:50:23 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C838A5.CC3C6AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I imagine it could be built in Reaktor, but I wouldn't have the time to figure it out -Qua From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:21 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect Thinking back to when I had an SE-70, and given your description of the effect, it was probably a Slow Gear feeding the Mod Delay (with very slight modulation for the chorusing and feedback set for the desired amount of 'sustain') and likely with Reverb (especially if it was a preset; I seem to remember every preset having enough reverb to make sure you knew it was on there and working!). As to software, I don't know of any single plug-in that would take care of all of it, but I imagine the chain could be built in something like Audiomulch, Bidule, Reaktor, Pd, or Max with varying degrees of difficulty. I've got a patch on my Vortex (pretty sure I stole it from Andy Butler's Vortex pages) that does an incredibly rich version of this effect, but uses an expression pedal for the swells rather than an actual slow gear effect. Hope that helps. Cheers, Jon On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Qua Veda wrote: Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect? Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect that I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and perhaps other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect that creates kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C838A5.CC3C6AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I imagine it could be built in Reaktor, but I = wouldn’t have the time to figure it out

-Qua

 

From:= Jon = Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:21 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect

 

Thinking back to = when I had an SE-70, and given your description of the effect, it was probably a Slow = Gear feeding the Mod Delay (with very slight modulation for the chorusing and feedback set for the desired amount of 'sustain') and likely with Reverb (especially if it was a preset; I seem to remember every preset having = enough reverb to make sure you knew it was on there and working!).

As to software, I don't know of any single plug-in that would take care = of all of it, but I imagine the chain could be built in something like = Audiomulch, Bidule, Reaktor, Pd, or Max with varying degrees of difficulty.

I've got a patch on my Vortex (pretty sure I stole it from Andy Butler's = Vortex pages) that does an incredibly rich version of this effect, but uses an expression pedal for the swells rather than an actual slow gear effect. =

Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Jon

On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com> = wrote:

Is there s/w that = does a good job creating a 'slow gear' effect?
Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called slow gear effect = that
I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the Boss SE-70, and = perhaps
other processors.  It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect = that creates
kind of a volume swell and sustained sound.

-Qua

 

------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C838A5.CC3C6AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 15:51:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2039E3BECD; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 827231682 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C838E8.FA609886" Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:51:05 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: 'slow gear' effect Thread-Index: Acg46PoX8g0du9CUTYyCHvxDDlnLuA== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2007 15:51:06.0494 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA6AF1E0:01C838E8] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:51:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C838E8.FA609886 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have an original, which only works when it feels like it these days.=20 =20 luckily I also have se50 & se70 boxes.... I know what qua is referring = to, though- the original slow-gear was just a simple auto-volume pedal, = & could be used to great effect on fretless bass & so on.=20 =20 but the same effect in an se70 could be followed by a bit of chorus, = vibrato, reverb, even mild pitch-shifting, for a much lusher effect. I = have a vague memory that the se70 had a factory-preset called = "slow-gear" with some of this other guff already added. =20 I am absolutely baffled by boss' continued reluctance to re-issue or = update this little gem. perhaps the behringer knock-off is the kick they = need. btw, I paid =A325 for my original, in denmark street in 1983. =20 duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C838E8.FA609886 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have an original, which only = works when=20 it feels like it these days.
 
luckily I also have se50 & = se70=20 boxes.... I know what qua is referring to, though- the original = slow-gear was=20 just a simple auto-volume pedal, & could be used to great effect on = fretless=20 bass & so on.
 
but the same effect in an se70 = could be=20 followed by a bit of chorus, vibrato, reverb, even mild pitch-shifting, = for a=20 much lusher effect. I have a vague memory that the se70 had a = factory-preset=20 called "slow-gear" with some of this other guff already=20 added.
 
I am absolutely baffled by = boss' continued=20 reluctance to re-issue or update this little gem. perhaps the behringer=20 knock-off is the kick they need.
btw, I paid =A325 for my = original, in=20 denmark street in 1983.
 
duncan.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C838E8.FA609886-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 15:54:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7ABE3BECD; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47596CBB.1000701@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 09:54:35 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5Y0CIC.A.XxC.AzWWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Ah, there's a nice idea. Searching for "transducer nut guitar" comes up with very few results, but I did find a Larry Cooperman who mentioned one - interestingly, in a LD post (still here, Larry??). I've emailed him to see his thoughts. thanks! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to me that maybe some > type of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? That would > be less bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' vibrations > than a stick-on transducer somewhere on the headstock. Just a thought... > > Cheers, > Jon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 16:06:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 802F03BEB6; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:09:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Most "lowly" Digitech and Zoom (G2) have a volume swell effect that can be followed up by delays/ chorus/ pitch shifting/ reverbs etc. The Zoom G2 even has a 5 sec delay/ looper (feedback to 100%) that can be preceded by the swell effect for creating "ambient" pads etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 16:52:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1763BEC2; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=nubS5cfFLA/LMaqKXduL/p6C9Dar7TCTzLKrENb2zs4=; b=Vqi5Tmd73+4dVFRo+5kEDGXhfJ9gsyumVjRzDGIo/webK3oWXOu/W/odYL3zPMduCTId4vg3XCUqJNSDrUTB053YjnaV2mStaWvsjLxGV1wknDhrXbg0/sgbSRKLfaJVhzARGJQ8IhepM1UUgdmpXlriVESg1pH4MxKQajD8JSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=JGK0yNjqFDYKb43hTkfyEHLU7eTM5I7K7kI5iK43x0K/iRnfh2Yy6ZPFnCxYU6MsajJthE9g4w0te+UFldw8EU+WPXQfxBXvrT3YFHr1WgSfihgm5rgjcRDV73PxKVMgJ7gZgUof0s2Uw+P4SFwRlNsBKcpcFPwOFKhDNswf844= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:52:22 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: GIG SPAM & Intro MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15221_13886620.1197046342195" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:52:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15221_13886620.1197046342195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First, an introduction: I have been on the list for several months, ocassionally unlurking (re: the recent Stockhuasen discussion), but not really talking too much about what I do musically. In live performance I work pretty exclusively with a guitar-hardware rig, for the studio I use more software. I'm listing the "gear pr0n" below, after the announcement. Some of you maye remember some discussion about getting some folks together to do some looping in Buffalo, New York ...well, it's happening this weekend! Details here: *12/08/2007 07:00 PM - South Park United Presbyterian Church 519 McKinley Parkway Buffalo, 14220 US Cost:FREE!!! Description:the first Western New York Looperpalooza, featuring musicians from New York and Massachusetts, performing live looping music! Performers will include Harry Weinberg & Chris Peters, The Brown-Ham Duo (Jon Ham and Alex Brown) and "usr/sbin" (me, Dennis Moser). for an image/flyer, you can go here ... http://angrek.com/gigs/BuffaLoopa.jpg DID I MENTION "FREE"!?* Now about that gear pr0n ... Guitar: Godin xtSA and an Ebow Guitar-Synth: Roland GR-20 Processors: 3 Lexicon Vortexes, in stereo, sequentially 1 Lexincon MP200 (Ocassionally, I add a 4th Vortex here) Delays: 2 Boss DD-20 GigaDelays, in sequence Examples can be found in several places, including the usual suspects (iTunes, Rhapsody, Napster, Emusic, MySpace, all under "usr/sbin") as well as the following websites: http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com http://http://aldo.angrek.com/audio/ ------=_Part_15221_13886620.1197046342195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline First, an introduction: I have been on the list for several months, ocassionally unlurking (re: the recent Stockhuasen discussion), but not really talking too much about what I do musically. In live performance I work pretty exclusively with a guitar-hardware rig, for the studio I use more software. I'm listing the "gear pr0n" below, after the announcement.

Some of you maye remember some discussion about getting some folks together to do some looping in Buffalo, New York ...well, it's happening this weekend! Details here:

12/08/2007 07:00 PM - South Park United Presbyterian Church  
519 McKinley Parkway
Buffalo, 14220
US
Cost:FREE!!!
Description:the first Western New York Looperpalooza, featuring musicians from New York and Massachusetts, performing live looping music! Performers will include Harry Weinberg & Chris Peters, The Brown-Ham Duo (Jon Ham and Alex Brown) and "usr/sbin" (me, Dennis Moser).

for an image/flyer, you can go here ... http://angrek.com/gigs/BuffaLoopa.jpg

DID I MENTION "FREE"!?

Now about that gear pr0n ...

Guitar: Godin xtSA and an Ebow
Guitar-Synth: Roland GR-20
Processors: 3 Lexicon Vortexes, in stereo, sequentially
                   1 Lexincon MP200
                    (Ocassionally, I add a 4th Vortex here)
Delays:        2 Boss DD-20 GigaDelays, in sequence

Examples can be found in several places, including the usual suspects (iTunes, Rhapsody, Napster, Emusic, MySpace, all  under "usr/sbin") as well as the following websites:

http://usrslashsbin.angrek.com
http://http://aldo.angrek.com/audio/
------=_Part_15221_13886620.1197046342195-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 16:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 320033BEC5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47597A5B.60802@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 10:52:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Review of Fabio Anile's "Liquid Days" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 16:53:22 +0000 (UTC) I've posted a review of Fabio's "Liquid Days" here: http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Fabio_Anile.htm Next I plan to review the CT Collective "Papermusic" project, which has been long pending. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 18:50:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B93963BEAF; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QruYxFHG9/oVoGxxcJQIDsgeXYmZUhO+yxgJWvCkg7I=; b=Nf+VeR1BD8KkNvz1lRdLuAxi3ri8E4WV1c3MNM27AUTU23byf4ak6bBx4kcC5LNtrJgKnucXZd7TCY/SytHvJOeWL0NYSyQ7MS73CIIhnRpE27DzgfhKAnfNUDvsxgNM3Ls0XnPE0QGK7pdQsMK9W0SlgLllFELdv9cB3IBmZko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=x9Su6Op4Y4l9FRx4cyw9h3sQgKN0o6z3HtjDGDV7FDjGLIIVLDsajC91SMGwdKrzauZXyPnkcRGpHOmMhZCROA/epECASK3dxixYl1pXaWI3ySx8lkMCyGZg35v8hiHfm2XI4rdiSai8FpR16u8NxR6tXaklNOpDOafA1v8G9nw= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:50:01 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2f0taD.A.mIB.bXZWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:50:03 +0000 (UTC) The Boss GT series floorboards all have the Slow Gear effect. On Dec 7, 2007 8:09 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Most "lowly" Digitech and Zoom (G2) have a volume swell effect that > can be followed up by delays/ chorus/ pitch shifting/ reverbs etc. > The Zoom G2 even has a 5 sec delay/ looper (feedback to 100%) that > can be preceded by the swell effect for creating "ambient" pads etc. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 19:19:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90FB43BEB8; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qJ3GNv/Ez7l2y748z+qZKyFB4ErvM6kUif3ZtYDNgVYDZ9+NdjZh+OrlQdi76iQIrovlwWihne9B7j86GtnS4iNbheKv7ITVpyY98R2FQ61Y9zbWu5wnSWmLrwPORRuawGpQpxIZKEPgIxNoQGSOsulnFG/51rmczU6Jf/de3QU=; X-YMail-OSG: 8aiSJrEVM1nCxXwBQNjAHz.e2ASUpMuuK1LQytgE6oGP156rCjLjLNQ7RyXvNDkfyqdMLVCy62SMPvRVHTyKZIgTQT9cv8UMIVnD9Ri6cfM.NL3FSEPAX8Wc8GSAWQ-- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:19:46 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <174172.18409.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:19:48 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Get a peizo transducer from allelectronics.com. solder it up and tape it to your headstock. $5 and your set. Rig --- Jon Southwood wrote: > Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to > me that maybe some type > of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? > That would be less > bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' > vibrations than a stick-on > transducer somewhere on the headstock. Just a > thought... > > Cheers, > Jon > > On Dec 6, 2007 10:41 PM, Daryl Shawn > wrote: > > > > > > > For the headstock pickup I may just go with a > cheap piezo stick-on, I'm > > not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe > I'd just attach it as > > needed. > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 19:23:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C9443BEC5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:23:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:23:03 EST Subject: Re: GIG SPAM & Intro To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c8b.1d98a380.348af797_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4uPfIB.A.0fC.a2ZWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/76999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:23:07 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c8b.1d98a380.348af797_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dennis.....this is fantasic!.....break a pick!.....please put me on your par-tie list for future events.....a big howdy to harry and chris.....michael "If this "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. 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"If this "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_c8b.1d98a380.348af797_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 19:32:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD2113BED3; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:32:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_0d4e445e-f86f-41dd-9343-9c659506316e_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.42.154] From: samba - Subject: German composer Stockhausen dies Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:32:18 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Dec 2007 19:32:18.0368 (UTC) FILETIME=[E1123400:01C83907] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:32:20 +0000 (UTC) --_0d4e445e-f86f-41dd-9343-9c659506316e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:15:15 -0500 > From: collierj@ukzn.ac.za > Subject: German composer Stockhausen dies > To: sambacomet@hotmail.com >=20 > You've probably seen this: >=20 > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7133571.stm >=20 > ---------- > Professor John Collier collierj@ukzn.= ac.za > Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 South Afr= ica > T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031 > http://www.ukzn.ac.za/undphil/collier/index.html =20 >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Your smile counts. The more smiles you share, the more we donate.=A0 Join i= n. www.windowslive.com/smile?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_oprsmilewlhmtagline= --_0d4e445e-f86f-41dd-9343-9c659506316e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 14:15:15 -0500
> From: collierj@uk= zn.ac.za
> Subject: German composer Stockhausen dies
> To: samb= acomet@hotmail.com
>
> You've probably seen this:
>
= > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7133571.stm
>
> = ----------
> Professor John Collier = collierj@ukzn.ac.za
> Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu= -Natal, Durban 4041 South Africa
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Join in! = --_0d4e445e-f86f-41dd-9343-9c659506316e_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 19:37:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EACB73BEC5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 13:36:54 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: German composer Stockhausen dies References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Aw...damn. I was really into him this past week, too. Just yesterday was listening, and reading a number of articles online, Wiki, etc. "In the Sky I am Walking"... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 19:50:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7E6E3BEC5; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4759A3EE.1010105@biink.com> Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:50:06 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: German composer Stockhausen dies References: <0JSP00EIL1HXY8@saruman.ncf.ca> <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4759A0D6.2030906@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Didn't see this coming, I know a couple of people who studied with him. RIP. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 21:23:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D0013BEC1; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1tCD/a7tYkSncWG0fyEwK2Hk5UQLUO0KLdgamRNtQDN5iPEAhUxLa869FbIEJnk3UAwAWn1GCtoWU/4vU3ueIJFMIxCVetr9w04AanafeqkuAgcxOsbtX8CUUBDP6Y/vKpcl/zcOG5IpQpsN3HheAjMKyg7vMiGcKMiyrx3BZjg=; X-YMail-OSG: sMSlQokVM1lVCPM5OpjILwVHjNd3G.t7oOJzwUpOPFHHAzQCiPkePz0SdhaitK7Ub3d0Z1rC_O0wzNMN_vhLHIUn5tfRxLvmOz_IXUln59eX84ZUmV9dmO6Rk_.XlQ-- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <174172.18409.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <719007.86001.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:23:59 +0000 (UTC) If you are going for an under nut transducer, I would recommend going with a polycarbonate nut expecially if you are intending on picking up "ghosting". Keep in mind a piezo only works correctly if the downward pressure is even on the element. Piezos were originally discovered when Oriental acupuncturists found a squared quartz crystal was producing too high and painful electrical offcharge. So they ground the crystals cylindrical... That is what I am currently working on. I talked to Rick Turner (Alembic)(D-Tar) Seymour Duncan, R. Neve, etc. etc. and he told me he thought of this concept years ago when he was sitting on the toilet reading a popular science magazine about under sea cable microphones. They trail them from submarines and the like to eavesdrop, picking up enemy protocol preparing them for a course of action! So there is your pressure explanation of how a piezo works aka: The Sea and Ocean waters tremendous pressures per sq. inch. Pressure exerted by percussive/succussive forces generates electricity. If you ever want to get a cheap thrill rub a quartz crystal or agate on a sidewalk or sandpaper in the dark!!! Awesome electrical aurora produced. Hope this information helps... Rick and Roberto-Venn School of Luthiery will have all the information you could possibly imagine and keep you from goin on any wild goose chases... Daniel T. Albertini www.alembic.com --- bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > Get a peizo transducer from allelectronics.com. > solder it up and tape it to your headstock. $5 and > your set. > Rig > > --- Jon Southwood wrote: > > > Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to > > me that maybe some type > > of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? > > That would be less > > bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' > > vibrations than a stick-on > > transducer somewhere on the headstock. Just a > > thought... > > > > Cheers, > > Jon > > > > On Dec 6, 2007 10:41 PM, Daryl Shawn > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > For the headstock pickup I may just go with a > > cheap piezo stick-on, I'm > > > not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe > > I'd just attach it as > > > needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 7 21:54:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 468203BEAF; Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:54:58 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H4DW960rBmu0zTT3Dxin6A==:17 a=ZJjxc0SMAAAA:8 a=oAnJZLfYvYJex6YDqasA:9 a=7C3YX445sZo_Slb9eNHlwQ-h5icA:4 a=RMBU5szJeCoA:10 From: cburke55@comcast.net (Christophe) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:47:56 +0000 Message-Id: <120720072147.25055.4759BF8C000296E8000061DF2216566276CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 30 2007) X-Authenticated-Sender: Y2J1cmtlNTVAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:59 +0000 (UTC) Sad to report that Karlheinz Stockusen died. NY Times article (with great picture!): http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Obit-Stockhausen.html?hp From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 01:19:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CF0E3BEC2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c83938$560b1da0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <120720072147.25055.4759BF8C000296E8000061DF2216566276CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:19:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Glad to remember that his work remains. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christophe" To: Sent: Friday, 7 December, 2007 21:47 PM Subject: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > Sad to report that Karlheinz Stockusen died. NY Times article (with great > picture!): > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Obit-Stockhausen.html?hp > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 01:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 689EF3BECF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c83938$eee92df0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <120720072147.25055.4759BF8C000296E8000061DF2216566276CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> Subject: OT: Best Price on a Hercules stand? Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:23:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <0NkawB.A.SM.SIfWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:23:31 +0000 (UTC) Sorry folks, but my brother just told me that my niece is picking up the acoustic guitar and has written a few songs of a sort. I'm giggling because he can't figure out how she does it without writing staffs... But, besides sending some good blues stuff her way, I wanted to find a good price on the Hercules 414B stand in the US. I've recalled some good pointers list readers have had in the past about good deals on a variety of things... and yes, when cometh the time, introduce her to looping as a playing concept for a start. Thanks in advance! Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 08:56:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 950EE3BEB8; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:56:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uy1fBFbrgx6EliIxZiktdedpQ5ZP3iRkg/gY8gktR1lKHuZNTZOVQvVWLAKbdoX9GeIqD5CZ/lknz19J6PZ29ujXsDKT/RdrHCUFHf5GQ8uuBjcbo4SAtWRUxxXFr9hxAL30Dwcwyjo59zCYTmMOAq/W/Xk7bWeydpZz5sF6z2Y=; X-YMail-OSG: uiLeHtYVM1nP3eU8r_Z28VHafzx0_T27a3S10KgsjaaIsaV9SKoVMBs0Ph7RFldDCw6ITAN7q_cz3hbrWBCtI8hacOCCbZIssBLJKIz7Uxu_7KtpxYT3PzB8_YdQig-- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 00:56:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003401c838e8$da5faad0$8f1f0070$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <936927.16898.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:56:10 +0000 (UTC) The DL4 has this sort of but is called different "auto volume" cheers Luis --- Qua Veda wrote: > I imagine it could be built in Reaktor, but I > wouldn't have the time to > figure it out > > -Qua > > > > From: Jon Southwood [mailto:jsouthwood@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 7:21 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect > > > > Thinking back to when I had an SE-70, and given your > description of the > effect, it was probably a Slow Gear feeding the Mod > Delay (with very slight > modulation for the chorusing and feedback set for > the desired amount of > 'sustain') and likely with Reverb (especially if it > was a preset; I seem to > remember every preset having enough reverb to make > sure you knew it was on > there and working!). > > As to software, I don't know of any single plug-in > that would take care of > all of it, but I imagine the chain could be built in > something like > Audiomulch, Bidule, Reaktor, Pd, or Max with varying > degrees of difficulty. > > I've got a patch on my Vortex (pretty sure I stole > it from Andy Butler's > Vortex pages) that does an incredibly rich version > of this effect, but uses > an expression pedal for the swells rather than an > actual slow gear effect. > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Jon > > On Dec 6, 2007 10:33 PM, Qua Veda > wrote: > > Is there s/w that does a good job creating a 'slow > gear' effect? > Not sure if this is a common term, but the so called > slow gear effect that > I'm referring to can be produced by a patch on the > Boss SE-70, and perhaps > other processors. It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb > type effect that creates > kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. > > -Qua > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 09:02:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF0453BEC1; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: goodbye Karlheinz Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:02:47 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c83979$1b3ba960$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg5eRnkGJmWeA4qTPKyKyuD5nGaSQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:02:54 +0000 (UTC) saddened to hear that my neighbour (he lived a mile from here) Karlheinz Stockhausen has just died. I saw him every summer during his annual Stockhausen composition courses - no I didn't participate but there were interesting concerts every night. He was a genius, I can see that although I didn't like most of his pieces :-) Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 09:06:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 157653BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WGvf42p432lBu93FlBOwSOESgM69u7Is2v0j9U6Qu+SKM36Y8yvp4VI2bVri0Sp+oeIdyasLAICKi2aV9bGu20haH1MI8Jdh97erlQwLnxeTsUHydyCSdLqu2G+2ZR8wm5pb6dF+6dNRb6bNPLFgojgY+9ENLYxpQ35k9xNoxm0=; X-YMail-OSG: A8E4HusVM1lyBwJQVe0E_HkC5CFmrR3HRm3thr.P6mRL0ftdt8mqA68aTHOVe.fXWxw_H6lkLD7KpIg2tutCLyVSJ87jpwSJ.JCEYyPH1GDsSimgVeGJ8kVkJK4MAg-- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 01:06:19 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002401c83938$560b1da0$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:06:23 +0000 (UTC) I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday and he said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most impressive form of art hes ever seen... cheers Luis --- Stephen Goodman wrote: > Glad to remember that his work remains. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christophe" > To: > Sent: Friday, 7 December, 2007 21:47 PM > Subject: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > > > > Sad to report that Karlheinz Stockusen died. NY > Times article (with great > > picture!): > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/world/AP-Obit-Stockhausen.html?hp > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Play BrainBattle with a friend now! = --_6243d08d-4faf-48c0-b58e-8adaba06dbc4_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 11:05:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 635193BEB8; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=I5A+t2flCEl2aPIeMWHwdf9kvuOBSWy6RlvDgNQImKMZ1cuR75q8c4cP5brjpiJchRTEjMF25in3MyBGbYt+CuTnGagDIzPTYrpn4tZJ6bj6CBE3QuO/wyUygVkanolPLeQ7Ipszk8swmQVcKT4KS4CF+xpwgLqXDHYqJMiUjJk=; X-YMail-OSG: bk2jkxUVM1kwgbd52oVG_7Y6nPDDoVcm.BKLuceQEhsbeIA5I6F4GMd.QkTU.JYX0yycbKP9ul20jwGUm2YgDNWY8xXHqk5KDjUxR7yWUmE3pkAxz2svp4ePRS1YQg-- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 03:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <25F01172-68B1-4FB3-BD6E-69B063852187@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <622732.45470.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8Grw_C.A.qlC.EqnWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:05:40 +0000 (UTC) I was always curious on this one,how would the SE-70 compare to the Boss VF-1 soundwise? i hear he VF-1 reverbs aren´t that warm sounding. Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi Qua, > > I took five off to read up on the SE-70 and I really > got surprised by > how useful it seems! Below is what Patchmanmusic's > Matt writes about > the SE-70. Matt is the in-house sound designer at > Patchmanmusic and > his sounds are used by the leading wind controller > synthesists of the > world. If he thinks the SE-70 is "amazing" there > must be something to > it ;-) > > >> Boss SE-70 Super Effects Processor > >> > >> The Boss SE-70 is an amazing device. Aside from > great sounding > >> reverbs, delays, etc..., it has several effects > that are not > >> commonly found on other effects processors. It > has 2 vocoders, a > >> guitar synth, bass synth, (these synths can track > any mono > >> acoustic instrument complete with a dynamic > enveloped filter and > >> amp envelope!), a tuner, a 60 cycle hum remover, > a vocal remover, > >> TRUE stereo reverbs (stereo in and out), great > sounding > >> distortions and pitch shifters, a 20(!) tap > delay, 16 stage > >> chorus, 40 stage phaser, a sampler, and on and > on. It can chain a > >> large amount of effects for massive processing. > It can respond to > >> MIDI controllers and up to 3 pedals. It's a > pretty cool device. It > >> is capable of doing all sorts of things to your > sounds. The guitar > >> and bass synths algorithms can be used with the > acoustic trumpet > >> or flugelhorn as pitch-tracking synthesizers! > That's right, this > >> thing will track your horn and synthesize it > (internally only- it > >> doesn't do pitch to MIDI conversion). It sounds > great! > >> > > Obviously there is no way in the world to "guess" > how the thick > texture of your "slow gear" sound is done within the > SE-70. What you > can do is to get hold of a unit for a while and > analyze it. That's > what I did with the Eventide Eclipse and the TC > Electronic FireworX. > For the sounds I liked I checked out (1) what effect > modules were in > use, (2) how these modules were routed, (3) how > parameters in > different modules were linked to parameters in other > modules for > interactivity and finally (4) how the performance > parameters where > set up for the musician. When you learn a bit of > this you can set up > the same effect patches in software. But, I'm not > sure this is true > for the SE-70 though, since it has some functions > that may not yet be > available as software "under the same roof". Please > don't take my > words for truth here, because I have not played with > e SE-70 yet. > > Links: > http://www.patchmanmusic.com/MattsEVIGigRig01.html > http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Effects/product/Boss/ > > SE-70/10/1 > > Per > > > On 7 dec 2007, at 12.30, Qua Veda wrote: > > > The effect I'm thinking of on the Boss SE70 was > more than a swell, it > > created a very rich sound. I don't have one to > play with now, so I > > can > > recall what the multi effect included. But it > was very nice for > > some > > things. > > -Qua > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:22 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect > > > > On 7 dec 2007, at 05.33, Qua Veda wrote: > > > >> It is a slow-attack, chorus-verb type effect > that creates > >> kind of a volume swell and sustained sound. > > > > > > My TC FireworX had a couple of those patches. Seem > many programmable > > boxes have them. I truly dislike those patches - > although I love the > > sound they produce. My hang-up is that I prefer to > play the swell and > > sustain manually on the physical instrument. > That's just so more > > expressive and fun to play with. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 14:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24D2A3BEB8; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <25F01172-68B1-4FB3-BD6E-69B063852187@gmail.com> <622732.45470.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <622732.45470.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:06:36 -0800 Message-ID: <000c01c839a3$8d833d60$a889b820$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg5im+PwMbExDEIQ1mZnYwB1ekiagAGNblw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Da52802950000a151.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <4pr4jC.A._cF.5TqWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:06:50 +0000 (UTC) In the past, I had a VF1 and an SE70. I preferred the SE70, but for = more typical 'guitar' effects the VF1 has some advantages. Qua =20 -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 3:06 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 'slow gear' effect I was always curious on this one,how would the SE-70 compare to the Boss VF-1 soundwise? i hear he VF-1 reverbs aren=B4t that warm sounding. Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 14:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 065BB3BEC5; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:12:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:14:40 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. In-reply-to: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77012 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:12:26 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday and he > said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most impressive > form of art hes ever seen... By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror itself? And, if so, he called that "art"? Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 14:59:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19AAA3BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 368 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:59:51 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 788778.70539.bm@omp301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3BoKZJDXABCIoLI40MBfz907y9wQ+EI6bcavAaJDkZbq6rw8IBV41tq1i+46asJGZxJ9Zrg7PUVALmp4DqLD1NQ/IZNYJuPq1YkPCAcM6zfA2X9X4RLtUKItDMR7VEbiXLNk8MPVLer/qu/EsQgMA2dsNp8Jel6Ifyi4H6T5QI0=; X-YMail-OSG: 3JkdpAcVM1kP.TPwgdH2OD6udN0WyBP1OgZD50f8bFL15J4jsl.lRyhWPcaMeAyw8lQmJ82AGa_R4afwGUIt4xgWJ7kGPICaiqnPSn5MMlZL74BMAxt7CG_GneJ4tQ-- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:53:42 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <592061.85829.qm@web45116.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77013 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Yeah. He did apologize, but afterwards always maintained that he was misquoted, and that the obvious interpretation (endorsing/condoning violence) wasn't at all what he had meant to say. -t- --- Jeff Shirkey wrote: > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror > itself? And, if so, > he called that "art"? > > Jeff http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 15:06:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F01D63BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:25:56 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77014 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Luis, I think you have been putting this sentence in a dangerous way. Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic when he said that and he payed a lot for this. His mistake was not having create the right context in which this sentence could have had the right interpretation. Most of the information world took this yummy chance to denounce a big offense to the disaster that had been happening on 9/11. But this has shown once again how the provocative sentence by S. could have some meaning. Just watch the latest directions that sculpture and most of the visual art has taken and you will notice that the twin towers attack is using the same violent language form that is inside many offensive "conceptual" work of art. The difference is in being real or a fiction. The problem stays in the in the value of the concept over the value of human sensitivity. Most of the art celebrated during the latest years is a work of violence towards our sensitivity. Most of the information is using violence as an opportunity to get a massive audience. So here come students that kill to be famous and artists who sectionate a cow to be hyperrealists. Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing the truth on the surface of how people want to understand what they would like to listen to. It would have been safer for me to tell you this in italian, to be sure that there could be no misunderstandings. Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. I think that he was the last of the most revolutionary composers. This means we are no more in the post-modern era. Now it's you. Luca www.unguitar.com Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday and he >> said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most impressive >> form of art hes ever seen... > > > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror itself? And, if so, > he called that "art"? > > Jeff > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 15:21:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 429FD3BEC7; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18D3roMgS0DwvLB3fifOu52HuA5M1Z0MlOLoDLd0r EIASojhdka/RyY Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: nico spahni Subject: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:22:03 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:21:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on guitar), inexpensive, battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo transducer. Any suggestions? Thanks Nico From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 15:41:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1843B3BEAF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <47596CBB.1000701@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:41:35 -0500 References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> <47596CBB.1000701@mhorse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Zappa used to put a Barcus Berry Dot pickup in the neck of is Strat. You can hear it on Apostrophe. On Dec 7, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Ah, there's a nice idea. Searching for "transducer nut guitar" comes > up with very few results, but I did find a Larry Cooperman who > mentioned one - interestingly, in a LD post (still here, Larry??). > I've emailed him to see his thoughts. thanks! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > >> Regarding the headstock pickup, it just occurred to me that maybe >> some type of under-saddle transducer might work under the nut? That >> would be less bulky, and perhaps pick up more of the strings' >> vibrations than a stick-on transducer somewhere on the headstock. >> Just a thought... >> >> Cheers, >> Jon > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 15:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EDF53BED0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:44:36 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> In-Reply-To: <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-Z0ngB.A._fC.qvrWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:44:42 +0000 (UTC) This is what he himself said about it afterward: "At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal." Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror itself? And, if so, >> he called that "art"? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 15:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D90963BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475ABDF0.5070206@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:53:20 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <719007.86001.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <719007.86001.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Fascinating stuff...thanks, Dan! I did actually hear back from Larry Cooperman, who had installed an under-nut pickup in an electric. He wasn't very happy with the results, saying that the signal was weak and uneven, with the treble strings having very little output. He said he also tried it in bass and found much better results there, though. Also, in the guitar, the signal that it did put out was useful for blending into the regular signal for an additional bit of high-end brilliance, but on its own just wasn't worth the bother. I think that rather than going through the expense of redoing the nut and potentially not being happy with what I end up with, I'm going to try a cheap piezo up on the headstock (I'll check out allelectronics, thanks Bill). I gotta check out the recommended Zappa track too, Chris...once again, thanks to everyone! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Piezos were originally discovered when > Oriental acupuncturists found a squared quartz crystal was producing too high and painful > electrical offcharge... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:00:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56DEE3BEDD; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:00:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 389 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:00:07 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JjBz4ScDMSiUd/dZOVedqgQC6FUACSqoDp5iX7uwtos=; b=oKNSfIw4EjZiZ6Nfi+qIQE8ONti8eaJ8kp147XKfpKKE/c/8/lboy/16d46lvXNGu/63vi8mZhRmaJgGJnMG18Z4l9y9GkBPppdFXu1Ik1gh9Xism1ds1pGIeemLZ/c0J84UacjfLaGYmWGoRwYUk3+m5cF/f+GbLGLH+AC5i1M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NQESVtWJKnyyQ5Unku5PH2hZJeKWbP0w5XjojYsoQFAwk7vt+xbVcCjZ87wX6VsbR3lATIurc4XwoUWP2heDBUEmg3l5dh6R24Kvd86LMcf7A4XCyiqWQ+bxewAylv6xDa3GxRsYhAUvM1z5a9rXiB4ZBKYr9DniB4fLsm5ik2I= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:53:38 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:00:08 +0000 (UTC) In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist acts as a form of art. TH On Dec 8, 2007 7:44 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > This is what he himself said about it afterward: > > "At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and > Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they > exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined > Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high > degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After > further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan > appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the > designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in > Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15B103BED2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006801c839b6$208c5d00$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:19:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Sort of like Wagner. Can we ever separate the artist from the person... They eventually allowed Wagner to be played in Israel. tOM http://www.myspace.com/electrex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further > endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist > acts as a form of art. > > TH > > On Dec 8, 2007 7:44 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >> This is what he himself said about it afterward: >> >> "At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and >> Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they >> exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined >> Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high >> degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After >> further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan >> appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the >> designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in >> Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal." >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:17:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83323BEE0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:17:46 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:17:51 +0000 (UTC) Well, no question he didn't endear himself to anyone with his comments. However, other than referring to "Lucifer" as the spirit of rebellion and anarchy (which is positive in my book :-D ), Stockhausen says he's a destructor, who does not know love. To me it doesn't seem as if he's praising the act itself, at all. If he'd have simply said "it was a work of art by the Devil himself", or "it was the ultimate masterpiece of destruction", I think it'd be accepted that the sentiment is that it was an evil act. BTW, my personal definition of art is wide-ranging, and I accept anything that involves creation with the intent of generating an aesthetic reaction - a terrorist attack doesn't fall under this guideline. I just think here that if someone as fearless as Sr. Karlheinz actually admired the act, he'd have stood behind the simple misquote of his words, or said something like "well, it certainly was a brilliant plan" or something similar (and similarly offensive). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further > endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist > acts as a form of art. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:20:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 972273BEC7; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:20:49 UTC X-YMail-OSG: WZ9RCAYVM1ktEF7IqSySqGjvEWdfWypN64nl.0Z6ii9YjexKWMSgB2ysirPEL3O18uHbPuFZlgssF2FBktRB2AKSqMnMWEPyP5GFKIAJUWvbQxM_BnU- Message-ID: <002c01c839b5$51119630$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <719007.86001.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <475ABDF0.5070206@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:13:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, I lost the beginning of the thread. I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish but with a minor modification, a lavaliere mic well placed and eq'd within the axe gives true reproduction as well as the ability to pick up body sounds (banging) and even singing into the soundhole:) ~peace~ Plish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc > Fascinating stuff...thanks, Dan! > > I did actually hear back from Larry Cooperman, who had installed an > under-nut pickup in an electric. He wasn't very happy with the results, > saying that the signal was weak and uneven, with the treble strings having > very little output. He said he also tried it in bass and found much better > results there, though. Also, in the guitar, the signal that it did put out > was useful for blending into the regular signal for an additional bit of > high-end brilliance, but on its own just wasn't worth the bother. > > I think that rather than going through the expense of redoing the nut and > potentially not being happy with what I end up with, I'm going to try a > cheap piezo up on the headstock (I'll check out allelectronics, thanks > Bill). I gotta check out the recommended Zappa track too, Chris...once > again, thanks to everyone! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> Piezos were originally discovered when >> Oriental acupuncturists found a squared quartz crystal was producing too >> high and painful >> electrical offcharge... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:27:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E9EE3BEB0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> Subject: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:29:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:27:26 +0000 (UTC) http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/miniatures.htm Nice site. I've thought of doing such a project, Daryl. One of the things I've enjoyed with DJ Spooky is the use he makes sometimes of short tracks. tOM http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:34:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE5C3BECF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:34:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:34:01 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> In-Reply-To: <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:34:05 +0000 (UTC) thanks, Tom. I'm trying to generate a lot more of these loops these days, with the intent of completing my box of tapes and releasing a 100-loop CD...the one thing I wish I could do would be to set instructions in the CD information so that the repeat button would automatically be activated. I'll have to check out more DJ Spooky, I've seen him play but haven't heard that much on record. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/miniatures.htm > > Nice site. I've thought of doing such a project, Daryl. One of the > things I've enjoyed with DJ Spooky is the use he makes sometimes of > short tracks. > > tOM > http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:40:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D95733BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008c01c839b9$5035df60$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:42:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:40:49 +0000 (UTC) It might be interesting if you can set instructions in the CD to play it randomly, so that the playback would always be different. tOM http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" > thanks, Tom. I'm trying to generate a lot more of these loops these days, > with the intent of completing my box of tapes and releasing a 100-loop > CD...the one thing I wish I could do would be to set instructions in the > CD information so that the repeat button would automatically be activated. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 16:53:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F39943BEC5; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475ACBC3.2030607@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 10:52:19 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <719007.86001.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <475ABDF0.5070206@mhorse.com> <002c01c839b5$51119630$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> In-Reply-To: <002c01c839b5$51119630$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77026 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:53:09 +0000 (UTC) I may try this first, actually, since I have a lavalier on hand. I've heard reports of much lower noise and higher output from a pickup like the I-Beam, so I'm already thinking I may end up with that, but this will be interesting to experiment with. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Daryl, I lost the beginning of the thread. I'm not sure what you're > trying to accomplish but with a minor modification, a lavaliere mic > well placed and eq'd within the axe gives true reproduction as well as > the ability to pick up body sounds (banging) and even singing into the > soundhole:) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:18:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BA333BEB0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> Subject: RE: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:17:51 -0800 Message-ID: <001601c839be$45740520$d05c0f60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg5tgrqvc+QHY5nRCKVcazrJK9pagAB2DsQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd1fd02500000e8c3.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <9Ykm8C.A.zXH.MHtWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:18:05 +0000 (UTC) Though not talking about art, but rather an atomic bomb tests, J.Robert Oppenheimer cited a verse from the Bhagavad Gita, "If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds." This was slightly misquoted according to Gita experts, and Oppenheimer mistakenly attributed it to Vishnu. I think it may have been Shiva (in the Hindu scriptures, Shiva is the destroyer, Bhrama is the Creator, and Vishu the maintainer - if I recall correctly). In any case, distructive power of nature (and man) can inspire awe, and wonder. These particular qualities are not dissimilar to art. In this mythology, Shiva , unlike Lucifer, is not evil, but simply the force of nature that transforms creation. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:18 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Well, no question he didn't endear himself to anyone with his comments. However, other than referring to "Lucifer" as the spirit of rebellion and anarchy (which is positive in my book :-D ), Stockhausen says he's a destructor, who does not know love. To me it doesn't seem as if he's praising the act itself, at all. If he'd have simply said "it was a work of art by the Devil himself", or "it was the ultimate masterpiece of destruction", I think it'd be accepted that the sentiment is that it was an evil act. BTW, my personal definition of art is wide-ranging, and I accept anything that involves creation with the intent of generating an aesthetic reaction - a terrorist attack doesn't fall under this guideline. I just think here that if someone as fearless as Sr. Karlheinz actually admired the act, he'd have stood behind the simple misquote of his words, or said something like "well, it certainly was a brilliant plan" or something similar (and similarly offensive). Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further > endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist > acts as a form of art. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:20:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D78C03BEB8; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:20:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> Subject: RE: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:20:15 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c839be$9ae49420$d0adbc60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg5uFmY7ha/i03yRR6A0tVDoom+eAABiI7w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd28d02500000e9e4.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <9TnWX.A.QfH.ZJtWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:20:25 +0000 (UTC) I'm intrigued. Can you share the orig. thread? More about repetitive miniatures and your ideas? -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures thanks, Tom. I'm trying to generate a lot more of these loops these days, with the intent of completing my box of tapes and releasing a 100-loop CD...the one thing I wish I could do would be to set instructions in the CD information so that the repeat button would automatically be activated. I'll have to check out more DJ Spooky, I've seen him play but haven't heard that much on record. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > http://www.swanwelder.com/projects/miniatures.htm > > Nice site. I've thought of doing such a project, Daryl. One of the > things I've enjoyed with DJ Spooky is the use he makes sometimes of > short tracks. > > tOM > http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23B073BED0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=obkiJZyApAXMwXn6bSxEsC9fsbyLmdA1y3kyKTKxULE=; b=mtygw3EDxqGntEqMcjNKXdp5qJMmIa7VYP50tRURyaxQ7ez2NuJjloqckAdzU1dOqdNijjhkER/VaBRdMbolSE5mM/pjz9jKds6ytB5sxnKZ+F684KJiQ4eiNEC4SYyYJkZyyoka0vV9MWV2e0VlK8pTt5YmRf9aDOixrGDtrH8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bQsiXQgPkFQ71XN0PIaf9DoTJveEg104k0caC1+RS7LmHY6ZGLU5h4+wYV6+/ljdmP0GYmrRCJSIhMbH+e3vd+LEvtoWqW4zVOVbK+e1lCGirNXFQoT0hM++VoTKko6LS9O23rgpndwK84OP4lPELj3dX1Wf2cU0x2uAs0OuP4c= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712080926r50405423k449915309649f3af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:26:52 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. In-Reply-To: <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Maybe he was trying to reach the level of total separation as almost a reporter oberserving and photographing a horrible act of violence such as the Vietnamese police official executing that fellow in the photo from the war. Its a horrible thing but it's like just saying here it is. It's much akin to John Lennon saying we're going to be more popular than Jesus in a sense. In our western eyes it was a horrible thing. I live in NY and almsot had a first hand view. It was insane sad horrible but I also never saw such grandstanding I it's postdays from 'the money changers in the temple' vendors selling bits of it to a certain amount of American arrogance that was demanding blood of which mr bush went after like a dog to a bone. Somewhere despite all the wrong I our eyes I think those removed could just 'report it' or respond and as Stockhausen did think his gut feeling was to possibly in disbelief that the this terribly gross act could occur was indeed admiring the creativity of 'Trojan horsing' the American sleeping giant. I think he was somehow beyond the horribleness of it all and being the artist of which society particularly ours have never understood. Sidebar though aware of him from my music education I was really out of touch to what was apartant true modern artistic innovation. There must be one hell of a creative band in heaven with Karl, Jimmy, Michael, Nick and so many others, wonder if Jim Morrison and Karl will hit it off. Thanks for reminding me of who he was. Good weekend Jim On 12/8/07, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Well, no question he didn't endear himself to anyone with his comments. > However, other than referring to "Lucifer" as the spirit of rebellion > and anarchy (which is positive in my book :-D ), Stockhausen says he's a > destructor, who does not know love. To me it doesn't seem as if he's > praising the act itself, at all. If he'd have simply said "it was a work > of art by the Devil himself", or "it was the ultimate masterpiece of > destruction", I think it'd be accepted that the sentiment is that it was > an evil act. > > BTW, my personal definition of art is wide-ranging, and I accept > anything that involves creation with the intent of generating an > aesthetic reaction - a terrorist attack doesn't fall under this > guideline. I just think here that if someone as fearless as Sr. > Karlheinz actually admired the act, he'd have stood behind the simple > misquote of his words, or said something like "well, it certainly was a > brilliant plan" or something similar (and similarly offensive). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further > > endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist > > acts as a form of art. > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:30:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDB1C3BEDC; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 12:30:04 EST Subject: Re: Review of Fabio Anile's "Liquid Days" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bdc.1e206dce.348c2e9c_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77030 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:30:11 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bdc.1e206dce.348c2e9c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/7/07 11:53:38 AM, highhorse@mhorse.com writes: > I've posted a review of Fabio's "Liquid Days" here: > > http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Fabio_Anile.htm > thanks daryl.....excellent reviews.....nice to see this.....i gave fabio's disk a spin a few daze ago.....about the 5th. day in a row of pearl grey skys and somber weather (fall at it's best).....fabio's music had the feeling of mellon-colly about it, a sense of yearning.....i love fabio's melodies, wonderful lines.....i had listened to his CT-GREAT SPEECHES in the past and had heard those cuts before so i wished there had been more newer tunes.....the leaves dancing, the grey sky that you knew was blue a little higher up, a comfy couch and LIQUID DAYS, nice afternoon!.....i would love to hear fabio do a simple accustic piano and looper only cd.....now that would be the schiznitz!.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. 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In a message dated 12/7/07 11:53:38 AM, highhorse@mhorse.com writes:


I've posted a review=20= of Fabio's "Liquid Days" here:

http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Fabio_Anile.htm


thanks daryl.....excellent reviews.....nice to see this.....i gave fabio'= s disk a spin a few daze ago.....about the 5th. day in a row of pearl grey s= kys and  somber weather (fall at it's best).....fabio's music had the=20= feeling of mellon-colly about it, a sense of yearning.....i love fabio's mel= odies, wonderful lines.....i had listened to his CT-GREAT SPEECHES in the pa= st and had heard those cuts before so i wished there had been more newer tun= es.....the leaves dancing, the grey sky that you knew was blue a little high= er up, a comfy couch and LIQUID DAYS, nice afternoon!.....i would love to he= ar fabio do a simple accustic piano and looper only cd.....now that would be= the schiznitz!.....michael

"If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

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(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-pr= oducts-2007?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000001) --part1_bdc.1e206dce.348c2e9c_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:35:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009DD3BEDC; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475AD5F2.3090608@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:35:46 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> <001701c839be$9ae49420$d0adbc60$@com> In-Reply-To: <001701c839be$9ae49420$d0adbc60$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1QqrOB.A.LO.4XtWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:35:52 +0000 (UTC) My pleasure...I once bought a box of 100 30-second loop cassettes (answering machine tapes) off Ebay for one red cent. Soon I realized that for the kind of looping I do in regular playing, I like shorter homemade straight loop tapes of about nine seconds, which can also be flipped over for reverse effects (the answering machine tapes are a Mobius strip that can only be played in one direction). In fooling around with a 30-second tape, I built up a loop, and at some point I felt like it was "finished", a complete piece of music to which nothing else really needed to be added. I let the sucker loop in the background for a good hour or so and really enjoyed how, even in hearing exactly the same thing over and over with no long-term development, my appreciation of it would change and I'd notice different things. So I'm going through these tapes - occasionally cutting them up or making different kinds of loops out of them - making these wholly static pieces. I listen to them all the time, myself, always just letting them percolate one at a time for a good while. It's a different kind of listening experience, and certainly an interesting creation experience too, as the nature of tape looping precludes the possibility of having a metronomic beat. Building the loop is pleasingly unpredictable. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'm intrigued. Can you share the orig. thread? More about repetitive > miniatures and your ideas? > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:43:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 608E73BEDF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c901c839c2$1a60f6a0$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <001601c839be$45740520$d05c0f60$@com> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:45:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC) ...and we need to remind ourselves that the discourse in the Bhagavad Gita takes place on a battlefield, something Gandhi apparently struggled with, notwithstanding the mystical allusions in the text. tOM http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Qua Veda" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > Though not talking about art, but rather an atomic bomb tests, J.Robert > Oppenheimer cited a verse from the Bhagavad Gita, "If the radiance of a > thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky, that would be like the > splendor of the mighty one. Now I am become Death, the destroyer of > worlds." > This was slightly misquoted according to Gita experts, and Oppenheimer > mistakenly attributed it to Vishnu. I think it may have been Shiva (in > the > Hindu scriptures, Shiva is the destroyer, Bhrama is the Creator, and > Vishu > the maintainer - if I recall correctly). In any case, distructive power > of > nature (and man) can inspire awe, and wonder. These particular qualities > are not dissimilar to art. In this mythology, Shiva , unlike Lucifer, is > not evil, but simply the force of nature that transforms creation. > > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:18 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > > Well, no question he didn't endear himself to anyone with his comments. > However, other than referring to "Lucifer" as the spirit of rebellion > and anarchy (which is positive in my book :-D ), Stockhausen says he's a > destructor, who does not know love. To me it doesn't seem as if he's > praising the act itself, at all. If he'd have simply said "it was a work > of art by the Devil himself", or "it was the ultimate masterpiece of > destruction", I think it'd be accepted that the sentiment is that it was > an evil act. > > BTW, my personal definition of art is wide-ranging, and I accept > anything that involves creation with the intent of generating an > aesthetic reaction - a terrorist attack doesn't fall under this > guideline. I just think here that if someone as fearless as Sr. > Karlheinz actually admired the act, he'd have stood behind the simple > misquote of his words, or said something like "well, it certainly was a > brilliant plan" or something similar (and similarly offensive). > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further >> endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist >> acts as a form of art. >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 17:54:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27F3B3BED9; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=pslEKlHBzanD+0YsUeiz33+rq5sfWKyh4oLI7g+Xj//Axqrs3LACca6LbQO+hXft; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:44:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120f9bccbb118abd7f570e0c5bd4082f7435bff31af8927e75a350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77033 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 17:54:16 +0000 (UTC) This is very interesting. Do you have a link to the original article/interview where he first said it? I would be interested to read the full original text. JC Mendizabal Black Note Music http://www.blacknotemusic.com Via Sinistrae www.viasinistrae.com http://sinistrae.libsyn.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > This is what he himself said about it afterward: > > "At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and > Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they > exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined > Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high > degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After > further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan > appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the > designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in > Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal." > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > >> By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror itself? And, if so, > >> he called that "art"? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 18:13:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3B293BEDF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 12999 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:13:05 UTC Message-ID: <475AAC52.8090702@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:38:10 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: goodbye Karlheinz References: <002a01c83979$1b3ba960$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> In-Reply-To: <002a01c83979$1b3ba960$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Michael Peters wrote: > saddened to hear that my neighbour (he lived a mile from here) Karlheinz > Stockhausen has just died. I saw him every summer during his annual > Stockhausen composition courses - no I didn't participate but there were > interesting concerts every night. He was a genius, I can see that although I > didn't like most of his pieces :-) > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de My brother played a world premiere of one of his pieces years ago, one of the days of "Licht," I believe. Apparently he had an almost pathological sense of tempo. His scores sometimes contain tempo markings like 96 1/2 bpm; he could accurately detect minuscule differences in tempo, and would complain if the group was playing even the slightest bit differently from what was marked. The rhythmic version of perfect pitch, I guess. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 18:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3D203BEDF; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03ae01c839c6$fba15020$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:20:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:20:22 +0000 (UTC) From: "Jeff Shirkey" > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday and he >> said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most impressive >> form of art hes ever seen... > > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror itself? And, if so, he > called that "art"? Some claim it to be a misquote... Good article here: http://www.andante.com/Article/article.cfm?id=14377 "What has happened is - now you all have to turn your brains around - the greatest work of art there has ever been..." It's been discussed that he was perhaps just trying to be provocative, and from such a remote viewpoint, both physically and emotionally, the comment becomes nearly academic in its grasping. Maybe a good example of how Politics tends to pollute art nearly completely, but then the comment itself wasn't an artwork, and Stockhausen was more known for the music, hm? Brian Eno has been similarly obtuse on the subject of America, but then people pay more attention to his musical works. Side note: Nylon guitar strings do a better job with a damage finger than metal ones. http://xenutv.wordpress.com/2007/05/15/panorama-scientology-and-me/ http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2535187,00.html http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9363363/inside_scientology http://xenu.com-it.net/txt/ildikoe.htm http://www.xenu.net http://www.xenutv.com http://www.scientology-lies.com http://www.whyaretheydead.net http://www.scientology-kills.org Rev. Norle Enturbulata "Church" of Cartoonism * * " You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them." * -- L. Ron Hubbard, "Technique 88" * * "...Never discuss Scientology with the critic. Just discuss his or her crimes, known and unknown. And act completely confident that those crimes exist...." * L. Ron Hubbard, "Critics of Scientology", November 5, 1967 * * "All men shall be my slaves! All women shall succumb to my charms! All mankind shall grovel at my feet and not know why!" - L. Ron Hubbard, "Personal Affirmations" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 18:23:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01D243BEE0; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03d101c839c7$7c7819e0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <006801c839b6$208c5d00$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:23:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <-5kMQC.A.vhC.9EuWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:23:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Travis Hartnett" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:53 AM > Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > > >> In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive sense does not further >> endear yourself to the sort of audience that doesn't see terrorist >> acts as a form of art. >> >> TH >> >> On Dec 8, 2007 7:44 AM, Daryl Shawn wrote: >>> This is what he himself said about it afterward: >>> >>> "At the press conference in Hamburg, I was asked if Michael, Eve and >>> Lucifer were historical figures of the past and I answered that they >>> exist now, for example Lucifer in New York. In my work, I have defined >>> Lucifer as the cosmic spirit of rebellion, of anarchy. He uses his high >>> degree of intelligence to destroy creation. He does not know love. After >>> further questions about the events in America, I said that such a plan >>> appeared to be Lucifer's greatest work of art. Of course I used the >>> designation "work of art" to mean the work of destruction personified in >>> Lucifer. In the context of my other comments this was unequivocal." > From: "Tom Rex" > > Sort of like Wagner. Can we ever separate the artist from the person... > They eventually allowed Wagner to be played in Israel. > "Allowed"? Are you referring to Bernstein's conducting of Wagner in Tel Aviv, he was beat up by a bunch of nationalistic thugs outside the hall for his efforts? Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 18:38:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 461E53BEEE; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475AE480.6000706@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:37:52 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> In-Reply-To: <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Here's his statement (that is, his followup) in full, on his site. http://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > This is very interesting. > Do you have a link to the original article/interview where he first said it? > I would be interested to read the full original text. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 18:40:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C1843BEF4; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NenOWlnPws4rV/llK3Ihmjc9DVJ+j/15MMPicSZOqg7JzV6fQ4U4eS54xjPIrphP4ee5pFZ3Cx6U8qYat10e78aCBh9oaDWBNsQAQF/gxBnIzFTRHMRVsbpA7gcI+ERvSJJ1z9IwMddROWRYjNWW8nDDNMldHiUnTAw5RHvNEoE=; X-YMail-OSG: MQyaEYoVM1lh6lqWQ6J1MZS_vnL_GwhG2rHkF5F0wYE8D7JFzdQoiQPD1GqPskca_XrNzKkN0a8ek8bIKKjxoCctjFNzuhIiewXfYo8mUHufJnlUjOw- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:40:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475ABDF0.5070206@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <579416.34963.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey thank you for saying thank you Bro! I forgot to type in one very important element in piezo functioning correctly. The bottom of the slot and or where the nut is seated must be perfectly flat!!! We often reroute the saddle slots after plugging them with as perfect as we can make piece of rosewood or ebony depending on the bridge species of wood used. If a consideration is taken into order of Larrys experiences here. Was the piezo the same size as the bottom of the nut and was all the previous dried glue or wood splinters re planed even and level? Utmost importance and will even make the new thinner and more flexible piezos like the B-Band work much better and more efficiently. Mr. Mcintyre (acoustic feather) demonstrated to me that he has to use a special epoxy that transfers electricity to and from his element piezos. I am still unclear on exactly how they function, it is not traditional pressure sensitive principles. I need to research this further. Mass is certainly something that can be taken into consideration as well. Is your fretboard rosewood or ebony? What kind of wood is the body and neck made of. We can go deeper but basics are necessary at preventing future unneeded costly findings... Rick Turner did want me to come to work for him.... you may ask yourself so why am I not working for him or Ibanez custom shop in Hollywood??? Life often gets in the way frequently. When we really believe what is right for us, we are often "derailed" so to speak? We must believe it is for the better and greater good for the time presently. I am learning more every day despite my expertise and experience I am still limited in other ways. Thank You Again, Daniel T. Albertini (Albertini "Custom" Guitar Works) --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Fascinating stuff...thanks, Dan! > > I did actually hear back from Larry Cooperman, who had installed an > under-nut pickup in an electric. He wasn't very happy with the results, > saying that the signal was weak and uneven, with the treble strings > having very little output. He said he also tried it in bass and found > much better results there, though. Also, in the guitar, the signal that > it did put out was useful for blending into the regular signal for an > additional bit of high-end brilliance, but on its own just wasn't worth > the bother. > > I think that rather than going through the expense of redoing the nut > and potentially not being happy with what I end up with, I'm going to > try a cheap piezo up on the headstock (I'll check out allelectronics, > thanks Bill). I gotta check out the recommended Zappa track too, > Chris...once again, thanks to everyone! > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Piezos were originally discovered when > > Oriental acupuncturists found a squared quartz crystal was producing too high and painful > > electrical offcharge... > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 19:00:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BDD43BEE4; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475AE9DB.3000706@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:00:43 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <579416.34963.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <579416.34963.qm@web34201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:00:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a good point. Mr. Cooperman gives the impression of being very detail-oriented and guitar-knowledgable so I'd guess he installed it decently, though that's just a guess and would certainly make a difference in the result. For me, I think I've decided the stick-on piezo is a better option than the nut, as the piezo is flexible in placement and cheaper. We're not talking about a really pricey guitar here - it's a stock Takamine EC132SC with a spruce top, rosewood fingerboard (wish it were ebony) and sides - and I already want a second pickup for the main sound, so I can't justifying throwing a ton of cash into this option. Once again thanks for the info, I'm not knowledgeable in this stuff and it's great to hear from a maker. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hey thank you for saying thank you Bro! I forgot to type in one very important element in piezo > functioning correctly. The bottom of the slot and or where the nut is seated must be perfectly > flat!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 19:21:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C3D3BEDE; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:21:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=n7bg+cU8dH8I8q5p551Kv5L8s+UBH36FKynlvLH6gK8=; b=QynOIzK0HtI2h29RcnHn5pp4nJq89nahperUBQvQtg6qroyOA+7YpZQUoBL6LylFRiKsaDnGlb2GasIkQQaf4Lt3Uyju9MVrkb3y1PMv8AXrJHp8Py6QqRA0eUilkVOAQi5vejfZhCfgzPXIzW1VpNrO3WU6jUqdf7EDOuZ3wn4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KrZMfgbDcU5xDsksHpCN4ceJycw/BuSxr0U7LaxspC9vQqzrdjRQvDLcNREUMkUnkUVLogfmCD5YZD9bwSpKF72g20EovGuC4oBhCqqNMjKCKIiH7OqZ1YZVJGeSGkzOy2H63NN4j+V2HuXqWINPJqJ6VZL37RX/IrFRXGhAP3c= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:14:35 -0600 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Best Price on a Hercules stand? In-Reply-To: <002501c83938$eee92df0$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1227_25721644.1197141275218" References: <120720072147.25055.4759BF8C000296E8000061DF2216566276CACA0A059D9A0D0C@comcast.net> <002501c83938$eee92df0$0201a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:21:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1227_25721644.1197141275218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know if it's the best price, but there's a place called Guitar Files that has them for $29.95. When I was buying a couple of the Hercules 3-guitar racks, they had the best price I could find (and they had them in stock). They shipped quickly, too. I had them within 5 days after the order---shipped UPS. Oh, and they take Paypal, which eases my mind any time I shop online with an unknown retailer. Here's a tinyurl for their 414B page: http://tinyurl.com/2obvc5 Cheers, Jon Southwood* * On Dec 7, 2007 7:23 PM, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Sorry folks, but my brother just told me that my niece is picking up the > acoustic guitar and has written a few songs of a sort. I'm giggling > because > he can't figure out how she does it without writing staffs... But, > besides > sending some good blues stuff her way, I wanted to find a good price on > the > Hercules 414B stand in the US. I've recalled some good pointers list > readers have had in the past about good deals on a variety of things... > and > yes, when cometh the time, introduce her to looping as a playing concept > for > a start. > > Thanks in advance! > > Stephen Goodman > * > * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff > * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack > * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! > * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios > > ------=_Part_1227_25721644.1197141275218 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I don't know if it's the best price, but there's a place called Guitar Files that has them for $29.95. When I was buying a couple of the Hercules 3-guitar racks, they had the best price I could find (and they had them in stock). They shipped quickly, too. I had them within 5 days after the order---shipped UPS. Oh, and they take Paypal, which eases my mind any time I shop online with an unknown retailer.

Here's a tinyurl for their 414B page:

http://tinyurl.com/2obvc5

Cheers,
Jon Southwood

On Dec 7, 2007 7:23 PM, Stephen Goodman < spgoodman@earthlight.net> wrote:
Sorry folks, but my brother just told me that my niece is picking up the
acoustic guitar and has written a few songs of a sort.  I'm giggling because
he can't figure out how she does it without writing staffs...  But, besides
sending some good blues stuff her way, I wanted to find a good price on the
Hercules 414B stand in the US.  I've recalled some good pointers list
readers have had in the past about good deals on a variety of things... and
yes, when cometh the time, introduce her to looping as a playing concept for
a start.

Thanks in advance!

Stephen Goodman
*
* Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack
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------=_Part_1227_25721644.1197141275218-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 19:42:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 236763BEC1; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=fO9cDv6VeL30jDTlZx4zgntpGmsjUa0/VfT1QN0Ize9tFzdhUjyZwrsbeXx7SUeoyRDTA2IIJ208A75sxwMhfK/N2hl+kzUp09fgmqqoa3G5gMcEcgWFHfauakWLL2poFv148BWPG8Z/GaRce4ahExlGQ+saC+PNdXijTp2HpeQ= ; X-YMail-OSG: 4FzpkrUVM1kH1KZJz6of75zgXs9UR861S36_vgm_tz36tu8CBihDPiPKwPnHY9A4lnaIm9WaXw-- Message-ID: <007201c839d2$7edf2dd0$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: Subject: Oberheim UK distributors? Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:42:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071208-0, 08/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, I was hoping some of you might be able to put me in touch with a retailer in the UK if I wanted to get my hands on an Oberheim echoplex? I've had no luck so far. Thanks, Ricky > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 19:49:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DFA83BED3; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f3ad4c2e-2922-44de-9ac6-481baa9c0ffa_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.42.114] From: samba - To: Subject: 9-11 Art Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:48:59 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071208155326.71EC53BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071208155326.71EC53BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Dec 2007 19:48:59.0498 (UTC) FILETIME=[603444A0:01C839D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:49:01 +0000 (UTC) --_f3ad4c2e-2922-44de-9ac6-481baa9c0ffa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable World trade towers and Pentagon are symbols of power and dominance, attack= ing symbols is iteself symbolic,hence art. _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.Download today it's FREE= ! http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_Wave2_sharelife_1120= 07= --_f3ad4c2e-2922-44de-9ac6-481baa9c0ffa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  World trade towers and Pentagon are symbols of power and dominance, a= ttacking symbols is iteself symbolic,hence art.


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Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live= . Share now! = --_f3ad4c2e-2922-44de-9ac6-481baa9c0ffa_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 19:58:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9587D3BEC5; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003201c839d4$d5acc9e0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> <475AE480.6000706@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 20:59:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VDj3l9luWItZQB4wU+O7O04nxa9sJr6F3XiU hsNzXiJkuVVLk44GTpKQ9d2Nl9r5DrPYQ6Hy/KMn/a2G5wh8tz jxOOulnOuUc1WeSr7sBDEfvMn4AmYYb Resent-Message-ID: <0P768C.A.dqH.fdvWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:58:23 +0000 (UTC) maybe we shouldn't forget that stockhausen believed to be a "lichtwesen", trained on sirius...a far out character, indeed. here is a translation of part of his quote from the aformentioned press conference (i copied this from wikipedia): So: What happened there is - now all of you must adjust your brains - the biggest work of art there has ever been. The spirit achieves in one act something which we in music could never dream of, that people practise ten years fanatically for a concert. And then die. And that is the greatest work of art that exists in the whole Cosmos.[2] and the german version: "Daß Menschen in einem Akt etwas vollbringen, was wir in der Musik nicht träumen könnten, dass Leute zehn Jahre üben wie verrückt, total fanatisch für ein Konzert und dann sterben, stellen Sie sich das doch vor, was da passiert ist. Da sind also Leute, die sind so konzentriert für eine Aufführung und dann werden fünftausend Leute in die Auferstehung gejagt, in einem Moment. Das könnte ich nicht. Dagegen sind wir gar nichts als Komponisten. Manche Künstler versuchen doch auch über die Grenze des überhaupt Denkbaren und Möglichen zu gehen, damit wir wach werden, damit wir uns für eine andere Welt öffnen . Ein Verbrechen ist es deshalb, weil die Menschen nicht einverstanden waren. Die sind nicht in das Konzert gekommen. Das ist klar. Und es hat ihnen niemand angekündigt, Ihr könntet dabei draufgehen." i'll try a translation: "that people perform an act, as we couldn't dream of in music, that people practise for ten years like crazy, totally fanatic, for a concert - and then die. please imagine what has happened here. there are people completely concentrated on a performance and then 5000 people get pushed into resurrection, in an instant. I could not do that. compared to this, we composers are nothing. some artists try to transcend the limits of thought and possible actions, so we may wake up and open to other possibles worlds...a crime it is, because the people did not agree with it. they were not going to the concert. that is for sure. and nobody had announced to them: you could die." yours - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:37 PM Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. > Here's his statement (that is, his followup) in full, on his site. > > http://www.stockhausen.org/message_from_karlheinz.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> This is very interesting. >> Do you have a link to the original article/interview where he first said >> it? >> I would be interested to read the full original text. >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 21:21:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D339B3BEB2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=bKSzzRRL7bGeWDI_OlQA:9 a=ljYXdQ5H78MX_XlK8NFdXL6NnwEA:4 a=flLyb6fsAacA:10 a=kZDQ2csh-oYA:10 a=NGHEUkiWgr4A:10 a=K8sKunsjz6wA:10 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:21:33 -0800 Message-ID: <001001c839e0$4ed7c440$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <475AD5F2.3090608@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acg5wM8IaWYRMfe8R8G6h7fzRhJK6wAG4j0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, Thanks for the link to your miniatures. I'm really enjoying them, and I like the mix of high and low fidelity. The mix of quiet gentle acoustic guitar and sonic strangulation is very beautiful and nostalgic. I can only put mp3s on infinite repeat in the windows player, but yours open in quicktime. I'll work on that so that I can listen to them for a longer period of time as you intend. The miniatures are screaming out to be listened to for a longer period. When I bought my first EDP I gravitated into improvising and creating a loop over a very long period of time, multiplying, reversing, experimenting etc. and when I was satisfied with the texture, I would set the feedback to 100% and record the thing looping over and over for about 5-10 minutes or so (on a Tascam 424!). I found when I listened to them, I wished that I had recorded them for a longer period - I kept having to stop it and rewind to continue, which would kind of blow the experience. Your idea of creating and release nothing but static loops which could be repeated seamlessly as long as the listener likes is fascinating. Whatever format you ultimately choose, I'll certainly buy one. Thanks again. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures My pleasure...I once bought a box of 100 30-second loop cassettes (answering machine tapes) off Ebay for one red cent. Soon I realized that for the kind of looping I do in regular playing, I like shorter homemade straight loop tapes of about nine seconds, which can also be flipped over for reverse effects (the answering machine tapes are a Mobius strip that can only be played in one direction). In fooling around with a 30-second tape, I built up a loop, and at some point I felt like it was "finished", a complete piece of music to which nothing else really needed to be added. I let the sucker loop in the background for a good hour or so and really enjoyed how, even in hearing exactly the same thing over and over with no long-term development, my appreciation of it would change and I'd notice different things. So I'm going through these tapes - occasionally cutting them up or making different kinds of loops out of them - making these wholly static pieces. I listen to them all the time, myself, always just letting them percolate one at a time for a good while. It's a different kind of listening experience, and certainly an interesting creation experience too, as the nature of tape looping precludes the possibility of having a metronomic beat. Building the loop is pleasingly unpredictable. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'm intrigued. Can you share the orig. thread? More about repetitive > miniatures and your ideas? > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 21:44:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 09ECA3BEB2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=T71STPj4kuDm9O8El5YA:9 a=JiNeDtknfKWiUlq-IL0RHvaejZIA:4 a=flLyb6fsAacA:10 a=kZDQ2csh-oYA:10 a=NGHEUkiWgr4A:10 a=K8sKunsjz6wA:10 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:44:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c839e3$88d06fa0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg5wM8IaWYRMfe8R8G6h7fzRhJK6wAIg+4g In-Reply-To: <475AD5F2.3090608@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Daryl, I've figured out how to listen to the miniatures on infinite repeat in Windows media player, but there is a very slight glitchy droput at the repeat point. I'm trying to get used to it (I'm listening to #15 right now), but it bugs me... It just happened again... Do you, or does anyone else, know of a player for windows that doesn't do this, or a work-around? ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures My pleasure...I once bought a box of 100 30-second loop cassettes (answering machine tapes) off Ebay for one red cent. Soon I realized that for the kind of looping I do in regular playing, I like shorter homemade straight loop tapes of about nine seconds, which can also be flipped over for reverse effects (the answering machine tapes are a Mobius strip that can only be played in one direction). In fooling around with a 30-second tape, I built up a loop, and at some point I felt like it was "finished", a complete piece of music to which nothing else really needed to be added. I let the sucker loop in the background for a good hour or so and really enjoyed how, even in hearing exactly the same thing over and over with no long-term development, my appreciation of it would change and I'd notice different things. So I'm going through these tapes - occasionally cutting them up or making different kinds of loops out of them - making these wholly static pieces. I listen to them all the time, myself, always just letting them percolate one at a time for a good while. It's a different kind of listening experience, and certainly an interesting creation experience too, as the nature of tape looping precludes the possibility of having a metronomic beat. Building the loop is pleasingly unpredictable. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I'm intrigued. Can you share the orig. thread? More about repetitive > miniatures and your ideas? > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 21:49:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62C603BED2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:49:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <2DA243E2-1B3F-4589-916A-4EA607082B3A@johnfloridis.com> From: john floridis To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--199961504 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: 9-11 Art Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:49:30 -0700 References: <20071208155326.71EC53BED3@arsenic.violacea.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <_r7Px.A.9iF.sFxWHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:49:32 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--199961504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:48 PM, samba - wrote: World trade towers and Pentagon are symbols of power and dominance, attacking symbols is itself symbolic,hence art. I find the over intellectualization of a hideous, purposeful act of violence...intended to harm people who could not possibly defend themselves, who could not possibly know it was coming and get out of the way.....masterminded by a sociopath who obviously enjoyed said violence and harm.......all in a twisted vision of the Islamic faith...... to be nothing short of vile and frankly sociopathic in and of itself. And 'Oh by the way'....the attack on "symbols" included hundred of people who just happened to get on the planes. I suggest there is something terribly inhuman when being an artist or evaluating or critiquing whether something like acts of violence and terrorism are art supersedes compassion for fellow human beings. Email is a cold medium, with lots of intention and meaning lost, but so are some of these posts cold and heartless. Though I enjoy intellectual discussion and debate as much as anyone, perhaps it might be better to have another list for this kind of discussion. John --Apple-Mail-2--199961504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Dec 8, 2007, = at 12:48 PM, samba - wrote:

 World trade = towers and Pentagon are symbols of power and dominance, attacking = symbols is itself symbolic,hence art.

I find the over = intellectualization of a hideous, purposeful act of violence...intended = to harm people who could not possibly defend themselves, who could not = possibly know it was coming and get out of the way.....masterminded by a = sociopath who obviously enjoyed said violence and harm.......all in a = twisted vision of the Islamic faith...... to be nothing short of vile = and frankly sociopathic in and of itself.  

And 'Oh by the way'....the attack on "symbols" = included hundred of people who just happened to get on the = planes.

I suggest there is something terribly inhuman when = being an artist or evaluating or critiquing whether = something like acts of violence and terrorism are = art supersedes compassion for fellow human = beings.

Email is a cold medium, with lots of intention and = meaning lost, but so are some of these posts cold and heartless. =  Though I enjoy intellectual discussion and debate as much as = anyone, perhaps it might be better to have another list for this kind of = discussion.

John

= --Apple-Mail-2--199961504-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 22:36:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 733943BEC2; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475B1C4D.4030009@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 16:35:57 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <001001c839e0$4ed7c440$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <001001c839e0$4ed7c440$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Greg, thanks much for listening, and for the kind words. Cool story about your EDP recordings, I know with all the flexibility in that box there are all kinds of possibilities for loops to be revealed on repeated listenings. I use the free version of Winamp, which repeats without a pause (http://www.winamp.com/player). I actually hadn't tried them in Windows Media Player before, but listening now I do hear that dropout when repeating. How annoying...! I would hope this is a problem only particular to that player, perhaps try Winamp or one of the other freebies out there. I myself don't like how big and slow to open WMP is, which is why I switched to Winamp. thanks again. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Daryl, > > Thanks for the link to your miniatures. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 22:54:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACE8B3BEB6; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PsWNDvpapx7AUUFrgL/ewQDYNb+3mHgu5oaDw85XYVGc020Fr3HCK/wh9cW5jx3phB67tSqHBLlE7TnEw0mkaVG0AI/TjA78tSgH4HPdWXanV9p53ufo951yHbuOQ+R2rZF+LX9rGcfLAyqUAjZkXu3WuMkgPny483HUKs79qlc=; X-YMail-OSG: kr981EUVM1l5avppwgXDi4z9ww0Hv5ocyIKc9paZW6_N0ibIUudPWbT8d17rqpthrKpsd_FRwQEG9G.vLyUrr19qe1rEMLni5nFNNaqNbPY1VYWf8uoMsaynRjHOFA-- Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:54:49 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <262240.77287.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 22:54:50 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, In my experience, if you use the right peizo disc, soldered to a guitar cable, I go straight into the mixer and have plenty of gain without a preamp. Dozens of them. Never used a pre amp. Rig --- nico spahni wrote: > Hi folks > > I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on guitar), > inexpensive, > battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo > transducer. Any suggestions? > > Thanks > > Nico > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 23:03:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FB783BEC1; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=oAvIIFHBAAAA:8 a=jsjmMl50AAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=0mI92fVelkGx7ZiCZ8YA:9 a=V6og0XbPZx8zUriMSF-fNGrpRTEA:4 a=flLyb6fsAacA:10 a=kZDQ2csh-oYA:10 a=NGHEUkiWgr4A:10 a=K8sKunsjz6wA:10 a=BpqUGxorProA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Repetitive Miniatures Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 15:03:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c839ee$863ca460$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <475B1C4D.4030009@mhorse.com> Thread-Index: Acg56r5shiqvDZuoQ5evY5bSktgLSQAAs3sg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Daryl. I just downloaded Winamp, and it is looping seamlessly. Please keep me updated on your project. By the way, how do you keep your 4-track recordings so quiet? I'm listening on my Sony mdr-7506 headphones and there is no discernable tape hiss whatsoever on your more recent ones. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 2:36 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures Greg, thanks much for listening, and for the kind words. Cool story about your EDP recordings, I know with all the flexibility in that box there are all kinds of possibilities for loops to be revealed on repeated listenings. I use the free version of Winamp, which repeats without a pause (http://www.winamp.com/player). I actually hadn't tried them in Windows Media Player before, but listening now I do hear that dropout when repeating. How annoying...! I would hope this is a problem only particular to that player, perhaps try Winamp or one of the other freebies out there. I myself don't like how big and slow to open WMP is, which is why I switched to Winamp. thanks again. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Daryl, > > Thanks for the link to your miniatures. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 8 23:16:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1899B3BEDB; Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475B25E1.9090505@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:16:49 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <000001c839ee$863ca460$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: <000001c839ee$863ca460$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 23:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Cool, glad that's working out. I'll let you know how the project progresses, thanks for the interest. Using DBX for noise reduction helps a lot with tape hiss, and when I started tracking through a direct box/pre (the inexpensive Studio Projects VTB-1 discussed recently) that improved the signal/noise ratio an awful lot. Also keeping the heads clean, grounding the machine, and using good short cables all help with general noise getting onto tape as well. There's all kinds of crap that creeps in when I track at the lowest speed (15/16" ips) or when I crank the Dictaphone output for distortion, but I like having a basic clean sound as a baseline. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Thanks Daryl. I just downloaded Winamp, and it is looping seamlessly. Please > keep me updated on your project. > > By the way, how do you keep your 4-track recordings so quiet? I'm listening > on my Sony mdr-7506 headphones and there is no discernable tape hiss > whatsoever on your more recent ones. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 00:29:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1D1C3BEC2; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,272,1194238800"; d="scan'208";a="153110299" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HANfFWkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBWoEYi3o Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 18:29:20 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Singing Tesla Coil In-reply-to: <003201c839d4$d5acc9e0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pgQivml1/a5LnwEHLRDvAw)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> <475AE480.6000706@mhorse.com> <003201c839d4$d5acc9e0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:29:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pgQivml1/a5LnwEHLRDvAw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I have a weird question. Has anyone on her ever done looping with a singing Tesla coil? I suppose you could mike it, run the sound into a looping device, then send that out of a PA that is loud enough to compete with the Tesla coil. We are thinking of doing a Continuum-Fingerboard-driven-Tesla-Coil demonstration here at the U of Illinois for Engineering Open House next year. Looping would be good since the Tesla coil is monophonic. All suggestions are appreciated. Dr. Froderick Fronkensteen --Boundary_(ID_pgQivml1/a5LnwEHLRDvAw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline

I have a weird question. Has anyone on her ever done looping with a singing Tesla coil? I suppose you could mike it, run the sound into a looping device, then send that out of a PA that is loud enough to compete with the Tesla coil.

We are thinking of doing a Continuum-Fingerboard-driven-Tesla-Coil demonstration here at the U of Illinois for Engineering Open House next year. Looping would be good since the Tesla coil is monophonic.

All suggestions are appreciated.

Dr. Froderick Fronkensteen

 

--Boundary_(ID_pgQivml1/a5LnwEHLRDvAw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 00:38:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1FC2C3BEC7; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475B390A.9040607@aol.com> Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 01:38:34 +0100 From: chrisrover User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 84.185.20.81 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Just a personal note: Stockhausen premiered some of his works in my hometown Leipzig. Not everyone liked it as you might expect. Some people felt they had to leave for important business during intermission ;-) but not many. I thought it was very interesting and enjoyed it. Among other features he had placed a surround sound set up at the opera house which provided for a truly unique concert experience. I had the opportunity to talk to him for a couple of minutes after the premiere (he was fiddling with the mixing console for another 10 Minutes after the concert) and remember him as a very generous and friendly person. His 9/11 comments sparked criticism everywhere, especially in Germany. I understand why they were interpreted as thoughtless by many. In his artistic/spiritual view of the world they may have made sense. He never endorsed violence. There are much worse offenders. Many composers have drawn part of their inspiration from religion, theories, books or various other sources. Igor Stravinsky, John Cage, Beethoven come to mind quickly or even another guy who premiered regulary in Leipzig - Johann Sebastian Bach. Stockhausen was a man with a vision. He did a lot for new music in Germany and worldwide and he made ze djermans a bit hipper :-) Thank you Karl-Heinz ! www.christianrover.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 00:55:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F0F963BEC5; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 370 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 00:55:06 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mp7Q3Vcw5hd4ERSlYbaZlHAi70GNNX1Q82HDOutf6bM=; b=GW/teAFqEIf8WBzl4aWhNuOrGreM3nqEmMyfNkOKM0JcVlMfVAgSlrEQpYf9acx1vaTZw/BMh7vcUpRgIffL983xnxX+6G9zGRwPcWgUW34mU0GTBTJ7sl79EwcrEBDSODHCCp61FE3q7xnlqqf9NyTQ4YtZXmFOx1W1Mu5GKYQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=DcvRytuAVZ0PB3QoedyJObRAnaIs0Dt31ejDd6IbDOCObfVwqAIckoR4f6hvn9VYUXobWNGJmR++WO+GTJEAtd7rL09ca07K7LtrWhlvOCujrUveipMIpItn3vPOiT2hiHB05M7F9UxYRszsIAj+42IYKiRYUovogc2SbKDdc3w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> <475AE480.6000706@mhorse.com> <003201c839d4$d5acc9e0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E6A27C8-BC93-4652-98E2-2B1AF12D16F5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Singing Tesla Coil Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:48:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 00:55:06 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:29 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > I have a weird question. Has anyone on her ever done looping with a > singing Tesla coil? I suppose you could mike it, run the sound into > a looping device, then send that out of a PA that is loud enough to > compete with the Tesla coil. > > We are thinking of doing a Continuum-Fingerboard-driven-Tesla-Coil > demonstration here at the U of Illinois for Engineering Open House > next year. Looping would be good since the Tesla coil is monophonic. > > All suggestions are appreciated. > > Dr. Froderick Fronkensteen > > I have not done anything with a tesla coil but I remembered seeing this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff_AXVlo9U http://hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow.html Maybe a shotgun mic on an adjustable boom so you can find the sweet spot in the space? Interesting and kind o scary. regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 02:11:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85E8D3BEC5; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 02:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.23,272,1194238800"; d="scan'208";a="166459000" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAAvdWkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBWmI2i36QWA Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:11:48 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Singing Tesla Coil In-reply-to: <6E6A27C8-BC93-4652-98E2-2B1AF12D16F5@gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Kv36l5eHj5fXpsuyJnkCPg)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <004401c839c2$6f76bb70$6401a8c0@ECCO> <475AE480.6000706@mhorse.com> <003201c839d4$d5acc9e0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <6E6A27C8-BC93-4652-98E2-2B1AF12D16F5@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 02:11:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Kv36l5eHj5fXpsuyJnkCPg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I believe the Telsa coil we will be using for this (if we do it) is the one in that first video, which was made by Steve Ward. He and Lippold Haken (Continuum inventor) are working on interfacing the two. It will indeed be frightening. I was just thinking that "Darkness/Earth in Search of a Sun" by Jan Hammer would sound really awesome with a Telsa coil in place of the Minimoog. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0hKMdFaU-A MWAHAHAHAA Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----- Original Message ----- From: RP Collier Date: Saturday, December 8, 2007 18:55 Subject: Re: Singing Tesla Coil To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 4:29 PM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > > > I have a weird question. Has anyone on her ever done looping > with a > > singing Tesla coil? I suppose you could mike it, run the sound > into > > a looping device, then send that out of a PA that is loud > enough to > > compete with the Tesla coil. > > > > We are thinking of doing a Continuum-Fingerboard-driven-Tesla- > Coil > > demonstration here at the U of Illinois for Engineering Open > House > > next year. Looping would be good since the Tesla coil is monophonic. > > > > All suggestions are appreciated. > > > > Dr. Froderick Fronkensteen > > > > > > > I have not done anything with a tesla coil but I remembered > seeing this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ff_AXVlo9U > http://hauntedfrog.com/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow.html > > Maybe a shotgun mic on an adjustable boom so you can find the > sweet > spot in the space? > > Interesting and kind o scary. > > regards > > BobC > > > > http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j > http://www.youtube.com/tynego > --Boundary_(ID_Kv36l5eHj5fXpsuyJnkCPg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline =3CDIV=3EI believe the Telsa coil we will be using for this (if we do it= ) is the one in that first video=2C which was made by Steve Ward=2E He a= nd Lippold Haken (Continuum inventor) are working on interfacing the two= =2E It will indeed be frightening=2E =3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EI was just thinking that =22Darkness/Earth in Search of a Sun=22= by Jan Hammer would sound really awesome with a Telsa coil in place of = the Minimoog=2E=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A//www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3DV0hKMdF= aU-A=22=3Ehttp=3A//www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3DV0hKMdFaU-A=3C/A=3E=3C= /DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EMWAHAHAHAA=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=26nbsp=3B=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3EMark Smart=3C/DIV=3E =3CDIV=3E=3CA href=3D=22http=3A//www=2Emarksmart=2Enet=22=3Ehttp=3A//www= =2Emarksmart=2Enet=3C/A=3E=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E----- Original Message -----=3C= BR=3EFrom=3A RP Collier =26lt=3Bskeptikalist=40gmail=2Ecom=26gt=3B=3CBR=3E= Date=3A Saturday=2C December 8=2C 2007 18=3A55=3CBR=3ESubject=3A Re=3A S= inging Tesla Coil=3CBR=3ETo=3A Loopers-Delight=40loopers-delight=2Ecom=3C= BR=3E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B On Dec 8=2C 2007=2C at 4=3A29 PM=2C= mwsmart=40insightbb=2Ecom wrote=3A=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26= gt=3B I have a weird question=2E Has anyone on her ever done looping =3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B with a=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B singing Tesla c= oil=3F I suppose you could mike it=2C run the sound =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B int= o=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B a looping device=2C then send that= out of a PA that is loud =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B enough to=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B =26gt=3B compete with the Tesla coil=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3C= BR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B We are thinking of doing a Continuum-Fingerboard-= driven-Tesla-=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Coil=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B d= emonstration here at the U of Illinois for Engineering Open =3CBR=3E=26g= t=3B House=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B next year=2E Looping woul= d be good since the Tesla coil is monophonic=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B= =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B All suggestions are appreciated=2E=3CBR=3E=26g= t=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B Dr=2E Froderick Fronkensteen=3CBR= =3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =26gt=3B=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26= gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B I have not done anything with a tesla coil but I = remembered =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B seeing this=3A=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt= =3B http=3A//www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/watch=3Fv=3D3ff=5FAXVlo9U=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B= http=3A//hauntedfrog=2Ecom/gt/movies/2007/duckon/SingingTeslaShow=2Ehtm= l=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Maybe a shotgun mic on an adjustable = boom so you can find the =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B sweet=26nbsp=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B= spot in the space=3F=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B Interesting and k= ind o scary=2E=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B regards=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B = =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B BobC=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B = =3CBR=3E=26gt=3B http=3A//tinyurl=2Ecom/yt8f8j=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B http=3A//= www=2Eyoutube=2Ecom/tynego=3CBR=3E=26gt=3B =3C/DIV=3E --Boundary_(ID_Kv36l5eHj5fXpsuyJnkCPg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 08:03:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7492D3BEC7; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/az3A7UL/ap0bu39wUE4QzJXh9dwnPfI75gAYq+j hfWcliy40soIpK Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <262240.77287.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <262240.77287.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 09:04:30 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rig. Can you recommend a particular piezo disc? Where can I get it? Cheers Nico Am 08.12.2007 um 23:54 schrieb bill bigrig: > Howdy, > > In my experience, if you use the right peizo disc, > soldered to a guitar cable, I go straight into the > mixer and have plenty of gain without a preamp. Dozens > of them. Never used a pre amp. > Rig > > --- nico spahni wrote: > >> Hi folks >> >> I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on guitar), >> inexpensive, >> battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo >> transducer. Any suggestions? >> >> Thanks >> >> Nico >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > _____________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 9 19:51:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B62E33BEAF; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:51:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom. com> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:42:33 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: RE: 'slow gear' effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:51:18 +0000 (UTC) At 3:51 PM +0000 12/7/07, Goddard, Duncan wrote: > >I am absolutely baffled by boss' continued=20 >reluctance to re-issue or update this little=20 >gem. perhaps the behringer knock-off is the kick=20 >they need. >btw, I paid =A325 for my original, in denmark street in 1983. Well, while they didn't continue packaging SG's=20 as little stomps, they did continue to develop=20 the technology. The Poly Slow Gear effect has=20 been a part of Roland's VG series for a while. My biggest gripe with the original Slow Gear was=20 always that it was monophonic. In other words,=20 it sounded fine if you hit a chord, fading in=20 from zero to full volume without a problem. But=20 if you slowly picked the individual notes of that=20 chord, the first string would set off the=20 envelope follower, which would then remain wide=20 open for every other string in the chord. So,=20 the first note would fade in, but every other=20 note would end up being plucked as normal. In=20 addition, depending on your playing style, this=20 could also mean that you could occasionally wind=20 up with mixed faded and plucked notes even when=20 playing monophonic leads, since the envelope=20 follower might not recognize that you've stopped=20 one note and moved on to the next. Given those limitations, I chucked my old Slow=20 Gear decades ago, and, like Per, decided that it=20 was more flexible merely to use a volume pedal=20 and control the swells myself. Then, with the advent of the divided (GK, etc.)=20 guitar pickup, Roland revamped the concept into a=20 polyphonic Slow Gear -- essentially six SG's,=20 dedicating one Slow Gear to each the six strings.=20 I hear the effect is a little dicey on the VG-88=20 (where it was originally introduced) and I can=20 certainly say that it's a tad weak on my WP-20g=20 (which is the main reason I bought the darn=20 thing). But on the VG-99 it works beautifully;=20 Roland finally got the kinks worked out of the=20 technology. Not only can you swell picked chords beautifully,=20 but it works really well if you apply it to a=20 transposed guitar in addition to the one you're=20 playing. So, you can play one note normally,=20 then have a transposed note (say, up a fifth)=20 fade in as a harmony over the note you're=20 playing. Sweet! Oh, and on another note, for anybody into=20 hardware pedals and doing a lot of swells, you've=20 got to check out the Yamaha UD-Stomp, or even the=20 little bargain Magicstomp. While they won't do=20 the SG effect itself, the Echo/Chorus presets=20 designed for volume swells (especially the Alan=20 Holdsworth presets) give the cleanest, most=20 wonderful, spacey, blooming sounds shy of a=20 four-figure rack unit. I've got a UD, but=20 grabbed a couple extra Magicstomp II's when they=20 were being discontinued, and use them dedicated=20 for their Delay sounds. Just beautiful when used=20 in conjunction with a swell pedal.... --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path=20 lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 00:43:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F249E3BEC1; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BR8ptaglNfBndI2aBAcIpel35OizZnSyVZ1zwO4ZEyJqMqpC6V3yzeIXv2IT9VgD48MZb9pkH0r2h9FWmREtUKXbWiPAWW2W3RYSILYG9o7kMQV+sA/jr2m8Z3JEgskrpl2wu76HG4B9wD5g8CQ9qER2OjsEmOAxg6H4igGR79Y=; X-YMail-OSG: IppgfwEVM1khjH9yLT5gDeU0LLnxH0p.WvnNZES7mLjYzyEtn_flmJ10t9tfsvhhqUII6QMFlp.GCTNJ5yKpLc7W7BqnnQQsiizfJyq3Z6u2QtEntlQ- Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <907372.52153.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3Jl0aC.A.MSH.UuIXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i have always used the radio shack 272-064 or 064a. They don't sell them anymore but you may be able to order them. otherwise, I would try a pe-35 or pe-54 from allelectronics.com. You'll have to carefully pry them out ofthe case, solder a guitar cord to the leads, hot to center, sheild to outside and put tape over the back to keep the leade from getting torn off. Or dip once in plasti-dip. thenyou have ahydrophone to boot. Tape it to different placeson the guitar. Try 2 or 3. the possibilities are endless. Rig --- nico spahni wrote: > Thanks, Rig. Can you recommend a particular piezo > disc? Where can I get > it? > > Cheers > > Nico > > > > Am 08.12.2007 um 23:54 schrieb bill bigrig: > > > Howdy, > > > > In my experience, if you use the right peizo > disc, > > soldered to a guitar cable, I go straight into the > > mixer and have plenty of gain without a preamp. > Dozens > > of them. Never used a pre amp. > > Rig > > > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > >> Hi folks > >> > >> I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on > guitar), > >> inexpensive, > >> battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo > >> transducer. Any suggestions? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Nico > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > _____________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 08:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EB693BEB6; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NtIrUr2setl/W47aggfPGX2/48kDhAj5Qmjd5AIj9spiBvRb3qhiawZUpJuDArgpR29ZCjh6c8/K/VGAKYQ3LRlL17er3gq1T7GP0v1LSa6HEYTFC6WxjFVwbG3RB6em8VZueGSGEsEQ+yFEnZMPVjUlm/WwXmkjlALF3O4XXRI=; X-YMail-OSG: zxR3d2sVM1lnVGEMomy1KAD8_wCy3AEW1uyPb7xMM0CbaLJNvV2tt58jCiNXzsBgEpFxSg3Kw9bCps9QzxXDLEQUp1h9FWHMUT5Us54mhENY8VSsNNFgWgcbpZlFGQ-- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 00:41:49 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen and 9-11 Art To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2DA243E2-1B3F-4589-916A-4EA607082B3A@johnfloridis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <908891.78705.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <5--DKC.A.puF.PvPXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Here is a more detailed opinion of his statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Stockhausen#September_11.2C_2001_terrorist_attack_statement_controversy --- john floridis wrote: > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:48 PM, samba - wrote: > > World trade towers and Pentagon are symbols of > power and dominance, > attacking symbols is itself symbolic,hence art. > > I find the over intellectualization of a hideous, > purposeful act of > violence...intended to harm people who could not > possibly defend > themselves, who could not possibly know it was > coming and get out of > the way.....masterminded by a sociopath who > obviously enjoyed said > violence and harm.......all in a twisted vision of > the Islamic > faith...... to be nothing short of vile and frankly > sociopathic in and > of itself. > > And 'Oh by the way'....the attack on "symbols" > included hundred of > people who just happened to get on the planes. > > I suggest there is something terribly inhuman when > being an artist or > evaluating or critiquing whether something like acts > of violence and > terrorism are art supersedes compassion for fellow > human beings. > > Email is a cold medium, with lots of intention and > meaning lost, but > so are some of these posts cold and heartless. > Though I enjoy > intellectual discussion and debate as much as > anyone, perhaps it might > be better to have another list for this kind of > discussion. > > John > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 10:54:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C27C3BEB9; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:54:27 +0100 From: "nico spahni" In-Reply-To: <907372.52153.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071210105427.214300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <907372.52153.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19teHN2Xt5tHLdSPU7q2joXDvHZyV8f7xFNZTrtin CgvtRl9X+juYr3so6f5maTgayyFAktx0wHqQ== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 0C1vdoJ7IydmAyfYZmdrSDVSa2FkZhUG Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:54:30 +0000 (UTC) Okay, thanks, why would you take it out of its case though? Nico -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) > Von: bill bigrig > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp > Howdy, > > i have always used the radio shack 272-064 or 064a. > They don't sell them anymore but you may be able to > order them. otherwise, I would try a pe-35 or pe-54 > >from allelectronics.com. You'll have to carefully pry > them out ofthe case, solder a guitar cord to the > leads, hot to center, sheild to outside and put tape > over the back to keep the leade from getting torn off. > Or dip once in plasti-dip. thenyou have ahydrophone to > boot. Tape it to different placeson the guitar. Try 2 > or 3. the possibilities are endless. > Rig > > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > Thanks, Rig. Can you recommend a particular piezo > > disc? Where can I get > > it? > > > > Cheers > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > Am 08.12.2007 um 23:54 schrieb bill bigrig: > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > In my experience, if you use the right peizo > > disc, > > > soldered to a guitar cable, I go straight into the > > > mixer and have plenty of gain without a preamp. > > Dozens > > > of them. Never used a pre amp. > > > Rig > > > > > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > > > >> Hi folks > > >> > > >> I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on > > guitar), > > >> inexpensive, > > >> battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo > > >> transducer. Any suggestions? > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> > > >> Nico > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > _____________ > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 12:01:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C2C823BED3; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <831E1331-6B3C-4951-A43D-18D7ABD28C2E@rithma.org> From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c83888$dacfac50$906f04f0$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 04:01:40 -0800 References: <4758419C.9010004@mhorse.com> <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <000a01c83888$dacfac50$906f04f0$@com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:01:43 +0000 (UTC) the RNC gets such great reviews that i went out & bought one. maybe im just too much of an old techno head, but its so 'transparent' it might as well be one of those pretend rack filler units. or maybe im just too used to the instantaneous crank-up that the emagic compressors add. happy holidays folks! rithers On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Tony K wrote: > The RNC almost always gets great reviews. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc > > Daryl part 2, > I highly recommend the RNC as well. 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International Promotions Unit, UK COVENTRY Promotions National Office, 157-197 Buckingham Palace Road, Victoria, London SW1W 9SP From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:11:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A85003BED2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: rithma Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:13:49 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:11:01 +0000 (UTC) Haven't used it for a while but here's the patch I used for ambient pads/ soundscapes: comp=2,fs,20 SL=bf,24,4 nr=10 ac=0,5,70 eq=-4,0,3 et=0,12,12 ch=64,19,80 EC=5.0sec, feedback 1.0, mix1.0 HL=20,5,20 Problem is after creating texturely loop you have to bypass the unit if your intent is to play over the loop without adding to it. What I would do is put it before a "real" looper (RC50) and capture the G2 loop then move onto another patch/ effect. Like I said, I haven't used it for a while (been doing the streamlined acoustic/ looper (no effects) thing) but it is a neat little box. Hope that helped. - Paul << http://www.pmguitar.com >> << http://www.myspace.com/pmimlitsch >> On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:05 AM, rithma wrote: > somebody on here said the zoom G2 has a 5 second looper in it? > man oh man, that little box is the BEST hundred bucks ive spent, > ever. it is amazing. > > how do you get it t loop tho? > > thanks fellas > rithers > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:27:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 872983BECD; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:27:18 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071210162718.279790@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mSf8JfTpm7eB4co1FIEeTd/YJ4al0lBR5MEe8jB 8Jj8ZKMJWv0xiYYp8DMdLKId1zdBQkUy4nYA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: sSwXAAMKa2AoQ80tzHUyItk6OWhhaseW Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Yes, I totally love it, too :-) In fact, I'm planning a detailed review here because I think it is a very useful tool for loopers. All the best Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82D743BED9; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c83b49$9cf78e20$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Well, I have tha A2.1U (an A2 with an onboard foot controller), I think the G2 is the same with different kinds of effects (for electric guitar). It's basically a 5second delay that you can use up to 100% feedback with. it's not my main looper, but I use the A2 for chorus, eq and on one song, the long delay to create layered drones. I'm sure the G2 works the same. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rithma" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 12:05 PM Subject: Zoom G2 > somebody on here said the zoom G2 has a 5 second looper in it? > man oh man, that little box is the BEST hundred bucks ive spent, ever. > it is amazing. > > how do you get it t loop tho? > > thanks fellas > rithers > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:33:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 094143BECD; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c83b4a$5febb280$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:05 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Mimlitsch" > Problem is after creating texturely loop you have to bypass the unit if > your intent is to play over the loop without adding to it. What I would > do is put it before a "real" looper (RC50) and capture the G2 loop then > move onto another patch/ effect. Like I said, I haven't used it for a > while (been doing the streamlined acoustic/ looper (no effects) thing) > but it is a neat little box. Hope that helped. To avoid this problem, another way you can use it is to play some kind of loop, have the footswitch set to the hold function and capture the loop that way, it will continually repeat, letting you play over it. Although I like the ability to add to the simple loop and then switch inputs. Ian. > - Paul > > << http://www.pmguitar.com >> > << http://www.myspace.com/pmimlitsch >> > > > > > On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:05 AM, rithma wrote: > >> somebody on here said the zoom G2 has a 5 second looper in it? >> man oh man, that little box is the BEST hundred bucks ive spent, ever. >> it is amazing. >> >> how do you get it t loop tho? >> >> thanks fellas >> rithers >> > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 16:57:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD3EA3BECD; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:57:07 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <3A088321-A620-4000-9342-EED230798073@mac.com> Message-ID: <20071210165707.92380@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3A088321-A620-4000-9342-EED230798073@mac.com> Subject: Santa should send me this gear... ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+YA75aqTqYW8zTUoRTPZI5hdyTNblRcVueZDGfS/ x5V9sZ6zttlo2E0BegAUjZ4xzABOqCYpz+Xw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 21hoc2NjTiE+WNp6nGVwU3J9ZUVSRNfk Resent-Message-ID: <35_g3.A.-UF.k_WXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:57:08 +0000 (UTC) Yes, that's what I'm dreaming of: A 1U rack unit with just two knobs: 1. Warm&Mellow +/- 2. Punch&Presence +/- ;-)) Specs would read like this: "This unit - equipped with sophisticated, latency-free real-time spectrum analyzers - will intelligently activate and optimize various hand-selected tube pre-amps, eq filters and vintage compressors to achieve the desired level of warm/mellow sound or punchy presence. The patented IAR (intelligent audio recognition) system recognizes instantly all instruments played. Based on its database of 58.000 vocal timbres and 270.000 different instrument models (incl. drum database with 1.8 million percussive hits), the appopriate settings are picked from the signature configuration patches. Addtionally, thanks to the A.I. module, this device will learn over time and sound better and better..." Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 17:05:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E933BED8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId+I8S3xw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Santa should send me this gear... ;-) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:06:01 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c83b4e$f10120d0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20071210165707.92380@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg7TbN+kRG9rOIiSqOL2ULdpJutzQAAMI/g Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:05:26 +0000 (UTC) > 1. Warm&Mellow +/- > 2. Punch&Presence +/- For the punch&presence thing, use Line6's DSP implementation of a LA-2A compressor - it has only one "punch&presence +/-" knob. For warm&mellow, a Vortex with the correct patch will work - just set the preset selector to that preset and remove it, set the parameter knob to mix and remove it, set the input knob to a fitting value and remove it, and the remaining knob is your "+/-". Problem: won't fit in one HU. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 18:23:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3F843BEA4; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004001c83b59$db019020$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:24:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19GsRBM4+rMPJYmRUYGXZV0dwProBM5D3CQ/uC Uccw8QyHk1zR9sNJx9kpSNUYuV/vxyfAF9jxQ1F7goNWEWAzng VYQN5ZQA6X1VANltDFZE0rG3AwTmKIP Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:23:05 +0000 (UTC) they call it "hold delay"...tried to step on a switch with the delay function on? just a guess. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "rithma" To: Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Zoom G2 > somebody on here said the zoom G2 has a 5 second looper in it? > man oh man, that little box is the BEST hundred bucks ive spent, ever. > it is amazing. > > how do you get it t loop tho? > > thanks fellas > rithers > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 18:40:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83BAA3BECF; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:40:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006301c83b5c$45bad000$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72066830DA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <004001c83b59$db019020$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:41:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CCJhSx7P4o4Myh7B4iFwEiCKFZ6aEi61lE8m rsBCxIm8wPfUJyZ++xdnFy2HGsfXNGbhBt7avvuZCaeFbZENgI RFVOl8DV42ErfA+D6O/sVFaGQodDMeG Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:40:23 +0000 (UTC) i should have read the rest of the thread first before replying. sorry, tilmann > they call it "hold delay"...tried to step on a switch with the delay > function on? > just a guess. > > tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 18:48:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4830A3BED6; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId+I8S3xw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: 'slow gear' effect Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:49:23 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001c01c83b5d$61d20410$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg6nN5c670hOCiNQxy+Cqy9j4gQIQAwDncg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:48:47 +0000 (UTC) > Not only can you swell picked chords beautifully, but it > works really well if you apply it to a transposed guitar in > addition to the one you're playing. So, you can play one > note normally, then have a transposed note (say, up a fifth) > fade in as a harmony over the note you're playing. Sweet! This technology (unlike the per-string pitch shifting btw) works also really well in the Roland VBass. Doing this effect on a per-string basis really removes the problems the monophonic implementations have - a fact that is also true for the "Fretless" instrument model of the VBass which, contrary to other fretless simulators, is really useable. 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--=-------------11973113142546532488-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 18:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C9C33BED9; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0bscxdKjWbSeveS6f6cA:9 a=Rjf6EYJK1UTH5z0sXA4A:7 a=h_z8jeopw0IkiwXzNlCCo7FeU8wA:4 a=4C5cUfaUjVMA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:59:51 -0800 Message-ID: <000e01c83b5e$d87dd930$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <831E1331-6B3C-4951-A43D-18D7ABD28C2E@rithma.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg7JHZR7MzUzTDgRdeM3HPK3ZzZSwAOahAg Resent-Message-ID: <6xI2oB.A.dwE.ayYXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Rithers, Have you tried squashing that stuff good and pumping, then cranking the gain knob? You don't even have to squash it so much, just crank that far right knob - crank-up should then be cranking nice and spanky and loud to appease old technoheads :) Or maybe not... Happy Crank-Up of Holidays to you as well! ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: rithma [mailto:rithma@rithma.org] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:02 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc the RNC gets such great reviews that i went out & bought one. maybe im just too much of an old techno head, but its so 'transparent' it might as well be one of those pretend rack filler units. or maybe im just too used to the instantaneous crank-up that the emagic compressors add. happy holidays folks! rithers On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Tony K wrote: > The RNC almost always gets great reviews. > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 11:12 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc > > Daryl part 2, > I highly recommend the RNC as well. Excellent value, very > transparent, with > two "modes", and it has stereo ins and outs. > ~Greg > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.15/1174 - Release Date: > 12/6/2007 > 10:11 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 19:22:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 654573BED9; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:22:08 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <001801c83b4e$f10120d0$1001a8c0@succubus> Message-ID: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001801c83b4e$f10120d0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: RE: Santa should send me this gear... ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+s9ZoIP8usDYJOIZAMHIqIQFvWZFC4jbrLTjQTRG Zdf/KaUMlzmRFYogZEDAR9WsHAjA6rNaMgVA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 2alrDrdPQEV/AZ4tknRpQsZCNzg2NQL8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer am I right that your recommendations are more guitar-oriented? You mean the Line6 GuitarPod? What is the Vortex gear (mf doesn't have it...). I'm actually more vocally-minded... Rgds Buzap PS: I often don't see your comments because they have a "AW:" instead of "RE:". -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 19:57:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88C993BED2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sfjrfPZh3LNdDZX+ImgaakpBQu0Lg8aWnkpSFYfpoOtsNxafiwrsi008sUIllnv2P1mKuUexveo7rEWzIKozjmWgH104BhtIwlaaaAduzfeLlUbZnPiCtZW7P9r2qoaqkaWnmo23pFMAUP7Paf0giywBMYG8kKdHpY/46jl+7FE=; X-YMail-OSG: mBwTjMEVM1kvQ3mpouopYBAw4ZwGovYzYFSZHmxKQsvhSfO8x2tWsdjp4PV_t9s9N3N..NiGW1A.Pl2jRQv4KRbvF67VIdBWRvnmgjziM1UpYmlg7nc- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:56:57 -0800 (PST) From: Elmer Fuddski Subject: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1188135119-1197316617=:93771" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:56:59 +0000 (UTC) --0-1188135119-1197316617=:93771 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music (originally on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this work is from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great electronic, synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that timeframe. Much of my all-time favorite music stems from that period when synthesizers, samplers, etc. became affordable by mere mortals. I'm thinking of many, many works, but White Arcades from Harold Budd, Software's SYN CODE A, Steve Roach's Dreamtime Return and Steven Van Handel's Pearls of the Soul come to mind. Will the likes of an era ever come again? --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1188135119-1197316617=:93771 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music (originally on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this work is from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great electronic, synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that timeframe. Much of my all-time favorite music stems from that period when synthesizers, samplers, etc. became affordable by mere mortals. I'm thinking of many, many works, but White Arcades from Harold Budd, Software's SYN CODE A, Steve Roach's Dreamtime Return and Steven Van Handel's Pearls of the Soul come to mind.
 
Will the likes of an era ever come again?

Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --0-1188135119-1197316617=:93771-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:05:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 004373BECA; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId+I8S3xw== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: RE: Santa should send me this gear... ;-) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:06:23 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003001c83b68$2377a3e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg7YfZK/HmrS33UTiu4eDNYEJE1egABQ2sA Resent-Message-ID: <-CsDwD.A.dz.cwZXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:05:48 +0000 (UTC) Yes, the comments have an "Antwort" instead of "Reply". That's the way life in Germany works :-P. I'm talking about the Teletronix LA-2A studio compressor. This one is modeled in the Line6 BassPOD. In that version, the threshold control (in the original LA-2A called "Peak Reduction") and the "Gain" are combined into one knob, so you really get one "punch& presence" control. Of course, you can only add, not remove, punch&presence with that device. The LA-2A is actually very much used on vocal tracks as well. It's obvious that mf doesn't have the Vortex (btw, they have the LA-2A http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Teletronix-LA2A-Leveling-Amplifier?sk u=182103) - it's an antique item by lexion (and yes, it was originally created with guitarists in mind). Look here http://members.aol.com/soundfnr/vortex.htm for our own Andy Butler's pages on it. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:14:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27BE63BEDB; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=nbpl8KYLyD/7tTP+Z9FtY+9wXI9UAsZJR7mLqlj4pWg=; b=QhMGYK1FtqzCP29Sp/xZQGSglMNtHb1O1+pu6oS3n3S86UmP0BSEnzF0rRxvU1+QKo3pxGLMQx7Oo7UWtyF4OBR7kyqwq9rdafQEZtI3Na6cmV/PQ/O3GwqaH/OVIBksTS/jku8aB9zqJOMyPkHLHuG9JkpGig+LFTlKMLltJGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=ZWXmc61HpEO8UYZI2TZXdU2C3GcQ1PI4dYqxsOfM1R1YTCIFdRFEkO0JZ4Ufs+9oURxuWWEFLMkYDusE/UgSuHCcjIlAih6mYCwBQ1xO3nHeBEqps5+HPy7xtaP1Bt/CatfV21i0TBEZENcnVZTG1TZUabxLSiOntY+/4yeqDzU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:14:21 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight Subject: Mini-Kaoss MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <5cSbkC.A.3PB.f4ZXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:14:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I'm looking at the MiniKP and wondered if anybody has it and the KP2 (not 3) to compare it to. Musician's Friend has the MiniKP for $200 and leftover KP2's for $300. I wondered if it was worth the extra $100 for the KP2. I'd go for the KP3, but this is going to be a present for me and I do have a limit. :) -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:43:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F10A33BECA; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4UcP+aoaNFrvw6xekzzMkg0J3l/2/8f9dEQMTLWWcc8=; b=Qft0xs2bOtIgf1OML1J55TSsi9gJ+97AtrBXlbce8qr6cSTZFbuEuOCPfWw/ZFBd2ww/Yb/fs2DO3XVQ5U7qCXr4LM/jOEU9MxpQ7lKW44yid/8SA3l528tUA/PFHfNczSpARnFMsN90WrNYJttj8xdh21TiMhMfjdmpSARV4d0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tuwexSgMFPmJq3j0UC+Uy6hTlLFBgoJaAROeeBy92id1UXlr6K+cnL0NEgaktWQuYCV/FoCVTkK7/YCvu20DLmmbV/IuPFkBOJnaT5SLTWtL00k7fN7mp8dqS9DTw0RP6+zpyA/0eFqR5xlA1Vc1v36ZOckSLT9QBmz0arhQTXo= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:43:17 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music In-Reply-To: <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:43:20 +0000 (UTC) I guess it's in the eye of beholder. The combination of fast computers, software synthesizers and dsp along with an appreciation for the important (IMHO) of groove, means I'm more excited about music right now than any other time, both as a player and listener. It doesn't hurt that there seems to be a renewed interest and belated appreciation of Miles Davis' music from the early 70s. The "On the corner" box set made me aware of how important that piece was to my own approach to music. Here's a good quote from allmusic.com: "everything came down to only two things: rhythm and sound itself. Serious questions were being asked in the making of this music, and where it was going only manifested itself in the travel. How low could you go? How little could you play? How much space was necessary to get the groove to move and what would you fill it with?" Which I guess is pretty much the essence of much contemporary electronic music whether it's techno, drum & bass, triphop, acid jazz, industrial, whatever. The thing that I always found missing from stockhausen was the groove, and I'm happy to see it's central importance to current electronic music. On Dec 10, 2007 11:56 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music (originally > on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this work is > from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great electronic, > synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that timeframe. Much > of my all-time favorite music stems from that period when synthesizers, > samplers, etc. became affordable by mere mortals. I'm thinking of many, many > works, but White Arcades from Harold Budd, Software's SYN CODE A, Steve > Roach's Dreamtime Return and Steven Van Handel's Pearls of the Soul come to > mind. > > Will the likes of an era ever come again? > > > > ________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 20:53:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE8F43BEC7; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:53:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=X/6JDoVQ7PbDCx0+rCEb+xam3NNcRPjBuYJxG8vhmVnLFmq4W5k+XKsxDD5mctdGn0c2mQl6B2IfWSRC72HxsBYJbOoqj/bL52aSHsKzPN2Kl3uhGWA4mRwsNTiacWyLjn+bFpYGKzPMtrU236lzlZZ9BxCuiurqOsghZDgYEEQ=; X-YMail-OSG: eAPwBx0VM1mOVSPYkyv2o8c6G3iKoQ.TUllySNGw4qTNIxTAqckEM3LAn.6RJWbMi_kS94jp9xKPKgtVs05flpm1wpWVMBuiZRUQ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:53:20 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-5948635-1197320000=:17583" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <142420.17583.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:53:22 +0000 (UTC) --0-5948635-1197320000=:17583 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are you referring to the electronic equivalent of rap music? Art Simon wrote: I guess it's in the eye of beholder. The combination of fast computers, software synthesizers and dsp along with an appreciation for the important (IMHO) of groove, means I'm more excited about music right now than any other time, both as a player and listener. It doesn't hurt that there seems to be a renewed interest and belated appreciation of Miles Davis' music from the early 70s. The "On the corner" box set made me aware of how important that piece was to my own approach to music. Here's a good quote from allmusic.com: "everything came down to only two things: rhythm and sound itself. Serious questions were being asked in the making of this music, and where it was going only manifested itself in the travel. How low could you go? How little could you play? How much space was necessary to get the groove to move and what would you fill it with?" Which I guess is pretty much the essence of much contemporary electronic music whether it's techno, drum & bass, triphop, acid jazz, industrial, whatever. The thing that I always found missing from stockhausen was the groove, and I'm happy to see it's central importance to current electronic music. On Dec 10, 2007 11:56 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music (originally > on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this work is > from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great electronic, > synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that timeframe. Much > of my all-time favorite music stems from that period when synthesizers, > samplers, etc. became affordable by mere mortals. I'm thinking of many, many > works, but White Arcades from Harold Budd, Software's SYN CODE A, Steve > Roach's Dreamtime Return and Steven Van Handel's Pearls of the Soul come to > mind. > > Will the likes of an era ever come again? > > > > ________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-5948635-1197320000=:17583 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Are you referring to the electronic equivalent of rap music?

Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess it's in the eye of beholder. The combination of fast
computers, software synthesizers and dsp along with an appreciation
for the important (IMHO) of groove, means I'm more excited about music
right now than any other time, both as a player and listener. It
doesn't hurt that there seems to be a renewed interest and belated
appreciation of Miles Davis' music from the early 70s. The "On the
corner" box set made me aware of how important that piece was to my
own approach to music. Here's a good quote from allmusic.com:

"everything came down to only two things: rhythm and sound itself.
Serious questions were being asked in the making of this music, and
where it was going only manifested itself in the travel. How low could
you go? How little could you play? How much space was necessary to get
the groove to move and what would you fill it with?"

Which I guess is pretty much the essence of much contemporary
electronic music whether it's techno, drum & bass, triphop, acid jazz,
industrial, whatever. The thing that I always found missing from
stockhausen was the groove, and I'm happy to see it's central
importance to current electronic music.


On Dec 10, 2007 11:56 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote:
> Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music (originally
> on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this work is
> from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great electronic,
> synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that timeframe. Much
> of my all-time favorite music stems from that period when synthesizers,
> samplers, etc. became affordable by mere mortals. I'm thinking of many, many
> works, but White Arcades from Harold Budd, Software's SYN CODE A, Steve
> Roach's Dreamtime Return and Steven Van Handel's Pearls of the Soul come to
> mind.
>
> Will the likes of an era ever come again?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.



--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://www.myspace.com/artsimon


Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-5948635-1197320000=:17583-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 21:14:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29EC93BEC7; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=S7uPsGgceUS13NFq6FPkUuSeDIlb9TSWYFxKq5PSFvs=; b=vRE3TGd7GzTtaGyb6CB0PQ2vv5kqq1uI04ASGoPbLkVJ7GAO7ZFBA58dZNC/oqKn1wX9I3EaLxQObz8YHGGvMY+r+MmBz431TD8sPHW170ZZqxTgYwy9OjxB38deEV3vbqA/Hcb4WvQaavw+R5Txu4k+gSk1rMHQtEWHPria5g0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fgaCmg+ayLXriNwe8veFpcUenwc4EHzzlvgW4W4QkREWx3NqkEQSj7rbZZnI8imG83L9M0U72l0pIgSNnSazuVB97uIDukyJzsL23K2qcTx+Itxwq8+/weFoY8JjWg5SmPx5GU1o1J0YiNNMnkvmuO1mvA5ZoR4GW1vVPCNnwLI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712101314x3f059bacsdc19882fcda279ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:14:13 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music In-Reply-To: <142420.17583.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> <142420.17583.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:14:20 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 10, 2007 12:53 PM, Paul Richards wrote: > Are you referring to the electronic equivalent of rap music? > No -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 21:24:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A21863BEC2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <142420.17583.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <142420.17583.qm@web35105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <87DEF8FB-D71A-4760-ACCC-4B1A8DF10F2A@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music/ Joe Byrd Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:24:40 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7rZYeB.A._HG.b6aXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:24:43 +0000 (UTC) > On Dec 10, 2007 11:56 AM, Elmer Fuddski wrote: > > Is it just me? I've been listening to some older Christmas music > (originally > > on cassette no less) entitled Carillon Christmas. I believe this > work is > > from around 1985/1986. It put me in mind of all the great > electronic, > > synthesizer-based recordings that were created around that > timeframe. While I admit that I certainly no big fan of Christmas music, for a REAL treat, one should hear "A Christmas Yet To Come" by Joseph Byrd. (ex-United States of America, Joe Byrd and the Field Hippies, and...?). This wonderful album was released in 1975 and was made using an ARP 2600 , with an Oberheim Expander Module. (The ARP 2600 is one my own LONG time favorite instruments and one of the main instruments used in my own works), Some of the transposed original compositions are VERY old songs, a small few of which I have never previously heard of, as far as so-called "Christmas" music is concerned, but they are still very beautiful, and some are even "haunting". Luckily, I have had a decent copy of this album for many years now. But so far, I have never played this album on, or around "Christmastime"...haha. :-) -Rev. Fever From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 21:45:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57EAB3BEC5; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8yRdzaB8VeSt1zznPZZqRMbm8jaJzdkpvUfrumWmEe8=; b=QZDnQ0UaufVkkxVLUx5z/SGfc5KRd1WaxNF3IeWvXigZJh5gAwF4D0hzfC6yuO1FQ4kCAqZ60RdjAMCBK2+cosixQgxrCbEQlpxYRNkgI6lUhvIAatKSbfgl8d7U04eRUZdNwgqm/qQ2xTiW30Mc3tiCPnEFMJKYjsANd70AnFM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vn+++Uf1olv88PY3RVSQJfEydYuvhRzELpWQQYhTTwZIxf+QcS4wwqMHh4j4JwdaOqFi8xcz8/WwAC5T56ln4ytjh7roiRH9VcamjXi8tokij88/bonj6kKAAw03yVGpXMgGXim7C9eUepMyOzRUdspGttlqROp0MbOnsmp0lms= Message-ID: <475DB1C2.1000107@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:38:10 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: DD-20 micro delays Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:45:12 +0000 (UTC) I've just discovered two interesting features of the DD-20 when the delay time is really short. Perhaps this can also be applied to other delays. [1] Self-oscillation Set the delay time to 1ms, effect level and feedback to 100%. You should hear the oscillation. Then you may change the delay time to change the pitch. This works in most modes and does not require any input signal! (Disconnect the input to check this.) The sound differs depending on the selected mode, for example you may hear the modulators in the modulate mode. Additionally, if the time is set to 1ms, you may still hear a change in the sound when turning the knob counter-clockwise, despite the time remaining the same. [2] Vocoder/Ring Modulation In the reverse mode set the time to 15-25ms, effect level to 100% (reverse signal only) and feedback slightly less than 100%. When you input speech you will get a metallic type of sound resembling vocoder or ring modulator. It seems the delay acts like a filter bank amplifying all harmonics of a given frequency, which depends on the actual delay time. (Frequency analysis done with just my own ears;-) You may turn the level below 100% to get more intelligible speech. 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------=_Part_6071_24418763.1197323779379-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 22:16:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7A973BEC2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:16:31 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20071210221631.23040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Zoom G2 fx review for loopers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+wCIoI6nSwoAXqUYfzg1N1+8j/YQHqbdXWdjygcU j0M4yfG8sXa9kj62Fw/tRRce923PZmnB/wgA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: 2ss0KHIxMydhfP5OkWtlOqJjaGRhZpqM Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks when looking for a small-size MULTI-PURPOSE (!) mutli-effect box, I have looked at various options. I have bought a Zoom G2 (actually G2.1u with expression pedal) and I am extremely happy with it. Let me stress this: it is theoretically a "guitar fx" but I haven't used it so far with a guitar AT ALL! That's actually my whole point: it is really very handy for multi-instrumental looping. This is not going to replace your rack, but if you just take a little effect box (can also run on batteries) with you - it is quite handy (i.e. for vocals: add little compression, 6-band EQ, reverb/hall...,). Also for loopers, the different delays/echo you can combine are great, i.e. you could combine: Tape Echo + PingPong Delay (true stereo!) + Multi-tap delay. Did I mention it has 5 second delay, too? http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/g2/ So, most products in the 100-200$ price range hardly had a _real_ multi-fx chain. The Zoom G2 does! First, let's start what it does NOT do: - no MIDI (not even tempo sync) - no stereo input (however, stereo output!! - was a great discovery :-) - no nice USB features (what a shame, only simple audio interface...) - no tweaking of 1000 parameters (just 3 knobs + tapping for each section) On some functions, the lack of parameters might be annoying, still it is quite versatile and musically useable. Let's check some highlights in the whole FX chain of the Zoom G2: 1. COMPRESSION You can only set slow/fast attack (no release settings). I'd like to see more options here. But I guess, for most people it is a useable compression (so much you can screw up with compression...). Don't expect an LA-2A. 2. WAH/FILTER FX Really nice auto wah/wah pedals/phaser, usual stuff. Really good, esp. with expression pedal. Has both Cry Baby and Vox pedal simulation. "Ring modulator" is great in a weird way. 3. NOISE REDUCTION The home-grown "ZNR - Zoom Noise Reduction" works very well, really kills the noise without effecting the signal too much. But I really prefer the "Dirty Gate". It has a vintage character to it. 4. DRIVE VERY nice amp simulations. From clean Roland JC over Mesa Boogie to "digi fuzz"... Also, very nice Boss Overdrive OD-1 pedal effect. These amp simulations really add a lot of character and have a drastic effect on your sound. They don't sound like cheap plastic but really good. A shame it is limited to guitar amps... 5. EQ 160Hz/800Hz/3.2Hz. Add the next section for 6-band EQ! 6. ADDTITIONAL EQ / CABINET&MIC This is great: having additional EQ (400Hz, 6.4kHz, 12kHz) really gives you much better control. OK, my Mackie EQs sound 1000% better, but if you have just a pedal and a minimalistic setup, they are handy. The "cabinet" really simulates a dynamic or condenser mic with positioning and also has quite an effect on the sound. 7. MODULATION / ~TIME FXs The usual Chorus (even stereo chorus for the stereo outs...), Flanger stuff. "Step" is extreme. "Dynamic Flanger" is really sweet. PITCH SHIFT: Is great, has also additional "Harmonizer Pitch Shifter" that is adding harmonies based on any major/minor scale (ain't no TC Electronic vocal pedal, but ain't too bad, either.) There is also a dedicated "Mono Pitch Shifter" that works really nice as octaver. Overall, really nice Pitch Shift section. DELAY(2sec)/TAPE ECHO/DYNAMIC DELAY: This is not yet the "real" delay section. Still quite handy. Dynamic delay is interesting. I'm not sure if you can use it like a duck delay? 8. DELAY (5000 ms) So, here it is. Btw, you can also add an external pedal for tapping the BPM. "PingPong Delay" is really great (mind you: the Outputs are still stereo). Echo also works 5ooo ms. If I get it right, you could also use the additional external pedal for hold. I haven't really tried it, but I think it's basicall like this: normally, depending on your feedback level, you have a couple repeats. When you press hold, it keeps the same loop.. So: no feedback, but also no new input signal. A real loop. 9. REVERB Hall, Room, Spring, Early Reflection work good (but I don't have a 20.000$ Lexicon Hall at home, so I'm not an expert). "Multi tap delay" is really one of the best - and worst things. Best = It works really great. Worst = you can only choose from 8 (useful) patterns! Especially with the Zoom G2.1u, I'm thinking: Hey, this thing has USB. Why not offer a small software interface where you can tweak/import/export all parameters (incl. custom multi tap patterns)? Shouldn't be too hard to implement... 10. CONTROL This is really an absolute shame: You can adjust master level - but only globally. I wish could do this for _each_ single patch and (why not?) also panning would be nice. Unfortunately, this is just global. It's really a pity because the way I loop is like this: i.e. patch 00 for bass drum/snare, 01 for hi hats, 02 for bass line, 03 for harmonies, 04 for vocals... In terms of volume the punchy compressed patch 00 for bass drum sounds much louder than the silky chorus harmonies in patch 03. It would have been really great to be able to compensate that with simple volume setting for each patch, not just globally. Well, to some it up. The Zoom G2 is more than I've expected in this range. Actually, I wanted to use it only for my mobile, battery-driven setting (along with my Roland Micro Cube and Edirol M-10MX mixer). I actually wanted to get a used Boss VF-1 first. But I don't need MIDI control (yet ;-) and when I discovered that the G2 has stereo outs, that was enough for me. Pan delay is really the only important stereo effect I need. It works great (i.e. with pan tapping). All other stuff is placed in the loop stereo mix anyway via panning. Still, in this price range the Zoom G2 and a used Boss VF-1 are probably the only real options for me. I haven't tested the Boss VF-1. But I could imagine that besides the evident differences (size, midi, stereo ins, ...), the Zoom would be more state of the art (can't imagine that the Boss sounds thtat good especially with the amp simulations...). Especially when you really do a market comparison, you have all these pseudo "multi-effects": they do have chorus/delay/reverb/flanger etc. But only in a specific combination. Here, the Zoom G2 offers a real effect chain of 9 sections with 1-8 different options and 3-4 parameters for each section. By the way: I have also checked the similar products for bass (B2) and acoustic guitar (A2). Imo, these are mostly limited versions of the G2. They don't offer many other features, but rather limit the G2 feature set to accomodate specific needs. For example, the B2 only offers Octave pitch shift. However, the Zoom G2 can pitch shift and down also an octave but also all the pitches in between... So, unless you really need specific features of the A2/B2 (i.e. Bass amps...), you might be more versatile with the G2. Even if you don't "really" need it: check out the pedal version G2.1u . It's really convenient for certain parameters. So, I hope I was able to give you a little impression of this tool. Again, this is no replacement for your channel strip, but it is also quite versatile beyond the usual trashy guitar patches. As usual, the Zoom standard patches are quite "grungy" and you could attest them a certain "synthetic" character. Still, a little chorus, flanger or reverb can be useful for also your acoustic setup and other instruments - without or beyond guitars. The modulation/filter effects have really useful parameters that can be used quite musically and can prduce, along with reverb settings, nice ambient spheres. Finally, for looping artists the possibility to chain up to 3 different sections with delay-type effects and the 5 sec. delay may be interesting. Best regards Buzap PS: I don't get any discounts for promoting Zoom ;-) (and also not the RC50 for that matter! ;-)) -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 22:31:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB82E3BEC1; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:31:19 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <003001c83b68$2377a3e0$1001a8c0@succubus> Message-ID: <20071210223119.23040@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <003001c83b68$2377a3e0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: RE: Santa should send me this gear... ;-) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/XKIoGwgjXVAfW8EnLkEpiSe7Hf+rZtVvKCj5Y+f hB5D/YbvMvBWXQ4WpcuRPBOHYB3+eYePwXPA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: AIZrdjI6YmYBfp8snnY3hfVCWkZTQZQY Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:31:20 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info. Actually, if I'd get a compressor, I'd probably get one of the FMR compressors: - FMR RNC ("Really nice compressor") 1773: http://www.fmraudio.com/RNC1773.HTM - FMR RNLA7239 ("really nice levelling amp"): http://www.fmraudio.com/RNLA7239.htm The RNC is supposed to be more neutral, the RNLA is supposed to add a warmer sound to it. They seem to be very attractive in their price range (200,-EUR). But I don't want to start a "compressor battle" here. And while we're at it with warm sound and tossing out money, we might also add a nice Rode NTK condenser mic (ca. 500EUR) to it with one of the previously discussed pre-amps. Or simply a nice channel strip with vintage components... Does Santa have these on the Northpole? ;-)) best regardes Buzap PS: I know "AW:" is reply, but my mail program does not ;-) -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 22:48:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC2EE3BEB8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:48:22 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" Message-ID: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: How do you chain your Effects? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Oum5hWGPOSswuNM5FaUv+V2Daxhvr1MEKtWitZw LvnrlaIeC3GdK2Wv3ns5agw8jA//I5oYKZrA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: AfRuc2NBTXsuX9p/mmU5VuFCRzdyMoNI Resent-Message-ID: <3DdwbC.A.eDB.3IcXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:48:23 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain your effects? I usually do it like this: Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again. Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this: Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb) But in general: Where do you usually add effects? Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? Best regards Buzap -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 22:57:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A997E3BEC5; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:57:07 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <600346.17453.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071210225707.23070@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <600346.17453.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18oHbc4Ph8oTT6kbSWml9k6PkyfMlmMAD/u31Po98 sJgjkEOSyBmwGdUj4nwgFtZyXK5gNlfzeZ7A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: dPxoc0hDRkkNat1hiGVqWbZudWkvKJPg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:57:09 +0000 (UTC) It's interesting people on this forum have exactly the same considerations. I'm just about to get a pair of 10" active speakers. They are perfect ( weight is ok, already some bass, option to expand with subwoofer for larger crowd...). I have tested and opted out the db Opera 210. No convincing in direct comparison with the RCF 310A. Actually, I really liked the RCF 310A a lot and was just about to get them. But then I read this review (PDF): http://www.tagnz.co.nz/Test%20Report%2010inch%20%20Pow.%20Speakers%20Tools%20engl1.pdf In this review, the FBT Maxx 2A is clearly ahead of the RCF. So, I have ordered them and should receive them this week. If I like them, I'll keep them. If you have any experience with RCF 310 versus FBT Maxx 2A please give me feedback ASAP!! thanks Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:04:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 817BB3BEC1; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <475DCA6B.8070005@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:23:23 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: inexpensive small true mic preamps References: <000b01c836d0$28bdbd40$6801a8c0@dayglogreen> <475665D9.7010905@tiscali.co.uk> <001301c8377a$d000cbb0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <4757B3D5.2030801@tiscali.co.uk> <001401c83854$0e22a920$6c052052@customer3530f5> In-Reply-To: <001401c83854$0e22a920$6c052052@customer3530f5> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:04:08 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: >> I've been tempted to say that it's only a "true tube" if the actual >> pre-amp (the critical first stage of amplification) is a valve. I >> hope that hasn't caused confusion, as this quite plainly disagrees >> with manufacturers claims for their products. > But I think you are perfectly right. Luca www.unguitar.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:05:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655A13BEB8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE:slow gear Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:06:12 -0800 Message-ID: <002e01c83b81$423775d0$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg7er4uRFu+DKSGT/eVdLFfAQYONQAA7/4g In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Has any one mentioned the Line 6 DL-4? If so, sorry for being redundant. What I like about the Auto volume echo patch on the DL-4, is that it not only has a variable slow gear effect, it also has a variable delay on top of that, one example of how this could be used is to vary the delay's depth, and regeneration to increase the sustain time of the swelled content, completely independent of the swells slope rate. On my DL-4 I always use an expression pedal, and I have the heel down position set for my favorite swell rate, and minimal delay depth and regeneration, and the toe down position set for the same swell rate with deeper delay depth and longer regeneration, so volume swelled chords or melodies seem to linger in space longer after the guitar string vibration begins to subside. This application has taken the place of my guitar synth for string pad sounds, as I think it sounds more natural and achieves the same purpose. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:18:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221EC3BEB2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <475DCDED.9010107@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:38:21 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? References: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:18:57 +0000 (UTC) Buzap Buzap wrote: >But in general: >Where do you usually add effects? >Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? > > I loop the wet ( that sometimes can be dry), but then I effect the loop. Sometimes you can also loop the loop ;-) try to keep everything as open as possible, I would say. my best, Luca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:21:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 021643BEB8; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=sR2ZQyEEdZElZvuE86zp37LxMAvTbtqDN6Rb0q8XrkkYDRYBcp0ukWX0VJp0sXCQB0koGBPsVdCPZ4iUSgQT0Tu458sdYQABdM56LoVupwAXCCY5XBYpRtW4OQ4g1LXxP4/7Uk/1ILS/5Df3s3o4ev4E92froZE4IGjsfE/1jxg=; X-YMail-OSG: TYPcq9IVM1nqiVEoVUmDCQX5DFP8qTRlf7EvmiInRYMkpzPvaDpSGrxugIHROJtFjw-- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475AE9DB.3000706@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704011.15533.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Hey Daryl, great that you bring this guitar up,in fact ive been doing research on it all day(rather on the Takamine EC132C) since i need one soon for my cuban son group.The onboard tuner and quick battery access is one of the main reasons i am looking at them i think they are the only guitars that feature that. i have an old spanish raymundo that is about 20 years and love its big flamenco sound coming out of such a thin cutaway.But when the battery dies live is a pain in the ass to replace!plus for this type of music i dont want to have anything on the floor not even a tuner so this makes it a good candidate.But tell me how "flamenco" is its sound? cheers Luis We're not talking about a > really pricey guitar > here - it's a stock Takamine EC132SC with a spruce > top, rosewood > fingerboard (wish it were ebony) and sides - and I > already want a second > pickup for the main sound, so I can't justifying > throwing a ton of cash > into this option. > > Once again thanks for the info, I'm not > knowledgeable in this stuff and > it's great to hear from a maker. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Hey thank you for saying thank you Bro! I forgot > to type in one very important element in piezo > > functioning correctly. The bottom of the slot and > or where the nut is seated must be perfectly > > flat!!! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106183BEB2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071210182828.NO75C.29261.root@fepweb01> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:28:28 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: DANELECTRO HODAD BARRITONE Cc: Lorenzo Orlandini In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_89296_848799162.1197329308131" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:28:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_89296_848799162.1197329308131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bad news, I went to the Post Office today and they say the box is too big to send. It doesn't weigh much - that wan't the problem. But the formula they use is to measure the length of the longest side and t= hen measure the circumfrence - presumably to get a figure for cubic volume. They said the length was fine but the circumference was over the maximum by= 10 inches. For the heck of it, I then took the package down to FedEx to see what they'= d say. Well, they'd take it (size-wise) no problem. But shipping to Rome, Italy would be $400+. This does not look good. I spent a couple of weeks looking for a good box. The one I found came from a musical instrument store and was an actual acou= stic guitar shipping box. It even had UPS shipping tags on it so I know it was shippable (domesticall= y at least). Perhaps the carton was a little larger than it needed to be - but not by mu= ch. I wanted to have plenty of foam around the baritone to protect it. The box is only a little larger than what wouldfit a big dreadnaught guitar= and case. I don't hold much hope for finding a slightly smaller box. I was lucky to get the one I got. Unless you can think of any other ideas, I think that's the end of it. Sorry. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Lorenzo Orlandini wrote: > Hi Ted, > > I am interested in buying your danelectro baritone...Can you e-mail me mo= re info please? (Price, condition, year...) > > Thanks a lot! > > Lorenzo > > > > > From: tedkillian@charter.net > > Subject: Re: OT/FS; MORE GEAR LIQUIDATIONS: ALESIS AIR SYNTH AND AIR FX= COMBO PACKAGE (NO RESERVE) > > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:04:37 -0700 > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > Qua, > > > > I am even getting rid of the amps and cabs too - in favor of some > > smaller high-quality powered personal monitors. > > > > I'm getting used to playing through the PA in most cases. > > > > I've got four 1x12 (Seymour) Duncan Research guitar cabs that I'll be > > selling off (or trying to) in the coming weeks. > > > > Along with them I'll be selling a number of other gadgets and gizmos > > including (but not limited to): > > > > * SKB 16-space shock-mount rack with casters > > * Art SGX 2000 Express in a 2-space ProTec rack-bag and X15 Ultrafoot > > controller > > * Emu Proteus 2 Orchestral > > * Emu Proteus 3 World > > * ART SLA-1 power amp > > * Aphex Aural Exciter 104 C with "Big Bottom" > > * 2 Boss RPS-10 pitch-shifter delays > > * 3 Alesis Nanoverbs > > * Roland M-120 12-channel mixer > > * SKB PS-100 pedalboard with 3-rack spaces > > * Roland/Boss Sp-303 Sampler > > * Danelectro Hodad baritone guitar with GK-2a hex pickup and tweed > > gigbag. > > > > Beyond that, possibly a pair Lexicon Vortexes, an EDP or two and a pair > > of Alesis Akiras plus my old faithful Roland GR-1 guitar synth. > > > > In the end, it may all have to go. > > > > Im holding on to that last batch of pieces 'til the very last - to see > > if this whole software thing REALLY works out as powerfully for me as I > > hope. > > > > Sometimes it's good to have a backup plan. > > > > I'm just doing it a little bit at a time 'cause I'm lazy (and maybe > > over-cautious). > > > > My planned FX setup to replace all of this is still in a state of flux. > > > > My ideas change on a week by week basis. > > > > The next time I play at one of these things people will notice the > > lesser amount of gear. > > > > However, I'll still have quite a bit of it left. > > > > I've got small pedals galore and combo amps and stuff that folks here > > never see. > > > > The main thing is, my looping rig has to be more portable and > > light-weight. > > > > My back, knees, ankles, arms, heart, and my old automobile will not > > take it any more. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Ted > > > > On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > > > > > Hi Ted, > > > Yes the computers are now powerful enough to be really practice. I'm > > > eventually planning on taking a similar approach myself. Then the > > > amps/cabs become the remaining heavy lifting items. Glad there are > > > folks > > > in this community that are generous enough to help us up the (rather > > > steep) > > > learning curves. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Conosci Doretta? Contattala, =C3=A8 ora su Messenger! > http://www.doretta82.it/banner/index.html ------=_Part_89296_848799162.1197329308131 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Bad news,

I went to the Post Office today and they say the box is too big to send.

It doesn't weigh much - that wan't the problem.

But the formula they use is to measure the length of the longest side and then measure the circumfrence - presumably to get a figure for cubic volume.

They said the length was fine but the circumference was over the maximum by 10 inches.

For the heck of it, I then took the package down to FedEx to see what they'd say.

Well, they'd take it (size-wise) no problem.

But shipping to Rome, Italy would be $400+.

This does not look good.

I spent a couple of weeks looking for a good box.

The one I found came from a musical instrument store and was an actual acoustic guitar shipping box.

It even had UPS shipping tags on it so I know it was shippable (domestically at least).

Perhaps the carton was a little larger than it needed to be - but not by much.

I wanted to have plenty of foam around the baritone to protect it.

The box is only a little larger than what wouldfit a big dreadnaught guitar and case.

I don't hold much hope for finding a slightly smaller box.

I was lucky to get the one I got.

Unless you can think of any other ideas, I think that's the end of it.

Sorry.


tEd ® kiLLiAn

"Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=6378076

Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121197000042
http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=18131

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???

---- Lorenzo Orlandini <weaviestonder@hotmail.it> wrote:
> Hi Ted,
>
> I am interested in buying your danelectro baritone...Can you e-mail me more info please? (Price, condition, year...)
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> Lorenzo
>
>
>
> > From: tedkillian@charter.net
> > Subject: Re: OT/FS; MORE GEAR LIQUIDATIONS: ALESIS AIR SYNTH AND AIR FX COMBO PACKAGE (NO RESERVE)
> > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:04:37 -0700
> > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >
> > Qua,
> >
> > I am even getting rid of the amps and cabs too - in favor of some
> > smaller high-quality powered personal monitors.
> >
> > I'm getting used to playing through the PA in most cases.
> >
> > I've got four 1x12 (Seymour) Duncan Research guitar cabs that I'll be
> > selling off (or trying to) in the coming weeks.
> >
> > Along with them I'll be selling a number of other gadgets and gizmos
> > including (but not limited to):
> >
> > * SKB 16-space shock-mount rack with casters
> > * Art SGX 2000 Express in a 2-space ProTec rack-bag and X15 Ultrafoot
> > controller
> > * Emu Proteus 2 Orchestral
> > * Emu Proteus 3 World
> > * ART SLA-1 power amp
> > * Aphex Aural Exciter 104 C with "Big Bottom"
> > * 2 Boss RPS-10 pitch-shifter delays
> > * 3 Alesis Nanoverbs
> > * Roland M-120 12-channel mixer
> > * SKB PS-100 pedalboard with 3-rack spaces
> > * Roland/Boss Sp-303 Sampler
> > * Danelectro Hodad baritone guitar with GK-2a hex pickup and tweed
> > gigbag.
> >
> > Beyond that, possibly a pair Lexicon Vortexes, an EDP or two and a pair
> > of Alesis Akiras plus my old faithful Roland GR-1 guitar synth.
> >
> > In the end, it may all have to go.
> >
> > Im holding on to that last batch of pieces 'til the very last - to see
> > if this whole software thing REALLY works out as powerfully for me as I
> > hope.
> >
> > Sometimes it's good to have a backup plan.
> >
> > I'm just doing it a little bit at a time 'cause I'm lazy (and maybe
> > over-cautious).
> >
> > My planned FX setup to replace all of this is still in a state of flux.
> >
> > My ideas change on a week by week basis.
> >
> > The next time I play at one of these things people will notice the
> > lesser amount of gear.
> >
> > However, I'll still have quite a bit of it left.
> >
> > I've got small pedals galore and combo amps and stuff that folks here
> > never see.
> >
> > The main thing is, my looping rig has to be more portable and
> > light-weight.
> >
> > My back, knees, ankles, arms, heart, and my old automobile will not
> > take it any more.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > On Oct 17, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Qua Veda wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Ted,
> > > Yes the computers are now powerful enough to be really practice. I'm
> > > eventually planning on taking a similar approach myself. Then the
> > > amps/cabs become the remaining heavy lifting items. Glad there are
> > > folks
> > > in this community that are generous enough to help us up the (rather
> > > steep)
> > > learning curves.
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Conosci Doretta? Contattala, è ora su Messenger!
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------=_Part_89296_848799162.1197329308131-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:38:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 655763BEB2; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tNnM3zBJzToE5RpcFyq5bP1BK5Y2UT12Ofal7Lu4U1exF+UneApRqqk4gsdYqtUIrrJO+8t6eC/NfcvfZb4KhIoWCM0qWrkX6OlVpJN7kV89wAsRHgUqltP2/GCx3/rzziaOL/yODQnkwz0hzJvfvxY1n0P9blnSSmRKEGJthZE=; X-YMail-OSG: WJ3VGeAVM1nGn0RjmxcrNEv0cJOe8O5D_8tcHZmP3LQLSf1KPqWj5QmZcnj_HaAOy6QuEorjS907A0Mkr8yaQ4EhjpCs9IGN0xTpAAZKfnkCiX1SZco- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:38:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE:slow gear To: billwalker@baymoon.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002e01c83b81$423775d0$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <263499.21607.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill, I am with you,i havent been playing with my synth at all lately and been doing the same as you,exploring synth like sounds from my DL4,i find the string sounds from delays a lot more interesting than the synth ones,but the combination of both can be also very nice.I am still curious to hear if Roland plans to keep up with their guitar synths or drop them for their VG units.. by the way how you ever compared the combination of a GI-20 and module like the roland xv series to that of the floor synth units as far a sound? I see Fripp still using the old GR-1! Luis --- William Walker wrote: > > Has any one mentioned the Line 6 DL-4? If so, sorry > for being redundant. > What I like about the Auto volume echo patch on the > DL-4, is that it not > only has a variable slow gear effect, it also has a > variable delay on top of > that, one example of how this could be used is to > vary the delay's depth, > and regeneration to increase the sustain time of the > swelled content, > completely independent of the swells slope rate. On > my DL-4 I always use an > expression pedal, and I have the heel down position > set for my favorite > swell rate, and minimal delay depth and > regeneration, and the toe down > position set for the same swell rate with deeper > delay depth and longer > regeneration, so volume swelled chords or melodies > seem to linger in space > longer after the guitar string vibration begins to > subside. This application > has taken the place of my guitar synth for string > pad sounds, as I think it > sounds more natural and achieves the same purpose. > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:48:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B24F93BEB0; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HxLHSeEguA/2vBncR5JW6ArwnMqjzfP9Q3L5+KOMf3JW21CDTOts76yGYNBQnyMiILCR4zAwxPnGZgKweWcSv2y5VpuR6kIwc96WNXqcEGkvuXmMnFGLNCRc7RpswypX1fKnBUtc34RKU2jrVKDKjNKMzySgdQL4Cx8l92uWinc=; X-YMail-OSG: _lLwX.UVM1mHP6q1k8EdQAb8NWPOzdP4NVc8NJbQGvB7Yg40ddVSseXbvlaZbsr0nEEthhfPLy1NmR3ad_bzIVPAz2YYBgRPlU9g Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:48:41 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071210225707.23070@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <728063.23901.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0jThQD.A.51D.bBdXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey Buzap! I was also going to go for the FBT Maxx 2A,after they were suggested for their x-tra bass,but i could not give you a comparison.The perfect match for the RCF310s that is not going to kill your wallet is the DB technologies Sub15,compact weight a lot less than all of the others including the RCFs and i hear they get along perfect with the RCFs http://www.thomann.de/gb/db_technologies_sub_15.htm i tired the sub12 which isnt bad for solo work but not enough for more. The reason why i also picked the RCFs is their top handles important for those going up the stairs like me,which i believe the FBT Maxx 2A dont have, plus their protection cases they are really smart designed,they have opening compartments everywhere so you dont even have to unpack the speakers to put them up on a stand and they will remain like new! Luis forget the opera 210 --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > It's interesting people on this forum have exactly > the same considerations. > > I'm just about to get a pair of 10" active speakers. > They are perfect ( weight is ok, already some bass, > option to expand with subwoofer for larger > crowd...). > > I have tested and opted out the db Opera 210. No > convincing in direct comparison with the RCF 310A. > Actually, I really liked the RCF 310A a lot and was > just about to get them. > But then I read this review (PDF): > http://www.tagnz.co.nz/Test%20Report%2010inch%20%20Pow.%20Speakers%20Tools%20engl1.pdf > > In this review, the FBT Maxx 2A is clearly ahead of > the RCF. So, I have ordered them and should receive > them this week. If I like them, I'll keep them. > > If you have any experience with RCF 310 versus FBT > Maxx 2A please give me feedback ASAP!! > > thanks > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer > Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 10 23:59:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE3C33BEC5; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475DD2E8.4060305@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:59:36 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <704011.15533.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <704011.15533.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Well, I'd say it's decent for that, not outstanding. It's really made to try to cover a lot of bases, from classical playing (has a nice neck, not flat like a shredder's axe) to folk, so it doesn't have such a distinctive flamenco sound out of the box. I use La Bella strings (red tops) which help give it a good brightness, the bass sound isn't as snappy as a really nice acoustic flamenco with pegs and everything, but I think you'd be happy with it for a live situation. (Here's 50 seconds of me playing it rumba-style through a PA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJUtuCtXraY ). However, one of the reasons I brought it up here is that /golpes/ don't come through the onboard pickup very well, hence I'm looking for a second sound capture source to help with that. Hope this helps! Mine is an older model, before they added the onboard tuner, that's a great addition. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Hey Daryl, > great that you bring this guitar up,in fact ive been > doing research on it all day(rather on the Takamine > EC132C) since i need one soon for my cuban son > group.The onboard tuner and quick battery access is > one of the main reasons i am looking at them i think > they are the only guitars that feature that. > i have an old spanish raymundo that is about 20 years > and love its big flamenco sound coming out of such a > thin cutaway.But when the battery dies live is a pain > in the ass to replace!plus for this type of music i > dont want to have anything on the floor not even a > tuner so this makes it a good candidate.But tell me > how "flamenco" is its sound? > cheers > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:21:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 615CF3BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=eDYHteHXfQYq2dgnCsWrWD1vo2Vr5A56+UHBDEsXJ7BcOoXjEXquR0VKfKCxxPeeKbG4eMlBm1kJM1oBU5HLMBPdggZ6MjGX7+gtHjKAY+lp3QcQO4sGVr8dSVivSF+BFrKxLVO5yDbYjOc4TNwInrPw2T12q1tlGcQLJ4Pl4to=; X-YMail-OSG: f193qTAVM1kiNdpQ8aCL5_Jr8ykUarYa0Lf4TlYNeFni3YR5Ywp92aGbj1jO8SjoSU.2rT5jWGGaOT6o8o4BSgHAsk.fNH9eTdV4rDNBrbyK3DiegbM- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Amp/P.A. Recommendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071210225707.23070@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <553990.78098.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:21:13 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, allelectronics.com is blasting out Phillips TV speakersfor $8 a pair. Thet have 2 2" woofs and 1 1' tweet. they have a bass port out the side. At this price one could build a righteous PA at low cost. a subwoof might be necessary, but for you DITers out there, it could be the way to go. i am running a vertical stack from flor to ceiling of each corner of my muzikroom for "interesting" spatial experiments. Rig --- Buzap Buzap wrote: > It's interesting people on this forum have exactly > the same considerations. > > I'm just about to get a pair of 10" active speakers. > They are perfect ( weight is ok, already some bass, > option to expand with subwoofer for larger > crowd...). > > I have tested and opted out the db Opera 210. No > convincing in direct comparison with the RCF 310A. > Actually, I really liked the RCF 310A a lot and was > just about to get them. > But then I read this review (PDF): > http://www.tagnz.co.nz/Test%20Report%2010inch%20%20Pow.%20Speakers%20Tools%20engl1.pdf > > In this review, the FBT Maxx 2A is clearly ahead of > the RCF. So, I have ordered them and should receive > them this week. If I like them, I'll keep them. > > If you have any experience with RCF 310 versus FBT > Maxx 2A please give me feedback ASAP!! > > thanks > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer > Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: > http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:22:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8EC63BEB9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:22:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=dBD1LxehPFyiVQ+KJRkkxe1a6BFNtId7tJl9DH7P2oMHe7rH8xLoXqExI8DQwXFfi4FFsiTS5tDwV3jYKmMTQQl9ovQrRN7TqZwr0d0kVYL/JgUbcjiIrmbcDMioHDFR/DjNU+4/rQhTL4SJs1+l4DcYwBMlCI2nECwkeTtfFZ8=; X-YMail-OSG: ripS6g4VM1mcEWo1rjX.CSwrXbQNvIqMABpd_ELk36Ntaizd2sokydO.oYE1pCuTieD9C59oQTvDOsCGY38ix0BzO6SrT3pmOWB1EcazavaLpYYEPTL1pkPKj1UQpw-- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:22:29 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475DD2E8.4060305@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <625477.42898.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:22:30 +0000 (UTC) well if you really want to turn your spanish guitar into a drum,there is the cromacord pickup they make here for that purpose: Ive heard it and it actually sounds really nice,your whole guitar becomes a drum like a mic in front of you,but perhaps lacks the presence of a piezo: http://www.cromacord.com/english/start.html advantages:you can mount it on any guitar within a minute,natural sound etc.you could also combine it with your existing one. disadvantage:ive heard ohter people saying it feels bulky,they dont like the sound,it can feedback at times if u dont set it right and offcourse looks, if you mind that.But i am sure they are not as prone to feedback as a microphone and well,you can dance your rumbas can´t you! cheers Luis --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Well, I'd say it's decent for that, not outstanding. > It's really made to > try to cover a lot of bases, from classical playing > (has a nice neck, > not flat like a shredder's axe) to folk, so it > doesn't have such a > distinctive flamenco sound out of the box. I use La > Bella strings (red > tops) which help give it a good brightness, the bass > sound isn't as > snappy as a really nice acoustic flamenco with pegs > and everything, but > I think you'd be happy with it for a live situation. > > (Here's 50 seconds of me playing it rumba-style > through a PA - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJUtuCtXraY ). > > However, one of the reasons I brought it up here is > that /golpes/ don't > come through the onboard pickup very well, hence I'm > looking for a > second sound capture source to help with that. > > Hope this helps! > > Mine is an older model, before they added the > onboard tuner, that's a > great addition. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Hey Daryl, > > great that you bring this guitar up,in fact ive > been > > doing research on it all day(rather on the > Takamine > > EC132C) since i need one soon for my cuban son > > group.The onboard tuner and quick battery access > is > > one of the main reasons i am looking at them i > think > > they are the only guitars that feature that. > > i have an old spanish raymundo that is about 20 > years > > and love its big flamenco sound coming out of such > a > > thin cutaway.But when the battery dies live is a > pain > > in the ass to replace!plus for this type of music > i > > dont want to have anything on the floor not even a > > tuner so this makes it a good candidate.But tell > me > > how "flamenco" is its sound? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:38:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6513BED0; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:38:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=J33uR/pt1sGxPKtQKh9Ahx6cyLKNZ3/7WajPvtyr3OH/5129LlnMScI/dpH7GQ53bOjv3xMEOq5uoUOTj7i22sfIJLo3GEuxig3GN8ygfjsb7Jsld5TXtgQqfuc2LUW/yZIBm75/kW6pYbx+OrPzHS96HGRBiIfTRqbz7wqMKXs=; X-YMail-OSG: cfocxmcVM1lIQz45SiSjRyiHONttvCsAPkN0a6wJ7oMlj_1TEYUjSkanxMhCdmK0NBKePrCZgVhxanZ3.GTGfw5dcvM7w5zVN8F_A0g1248MSDJRJtE- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:38:42 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712080926r50405423k449915309649f3af@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <661093.74760.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:38:44 +0000 (UTC) I think he probably just had the wrong drink or smoke like the Pope did when he made the muslim statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_XVI#Islam lets face geniouses also say stupid things;-) oh,should we mention male gibson? --- Jim Goodin wrote: > Maybe he was trying to reach the level of total > separation as almost a > reporter oberserving and photographing a horrible > act of violence such > as the Vietnamese police official executing that > fellow in the photo > from the war. Its a horrible thing but it's like > just saying here it > is. > > It's much akin to John Lennon saying we're going to > be more popular > than Jesus in a sense. > > In our western eyes it was a horrible thing. I live > in NY and almsot > had a first hand view. It was insane sad horrible > but I also never > saw such grandstanding I it's postdays from 'the > money changers in the > temple' vendors selling bits of it to a certain > amount of American > arrogance that was demanding blood of which mr bush > went after like a > dog to a bone. > > Somewhere despite all the wrong I our eyes I think > those removed could > just 'report it' or respond and as Stockhausen did > think his gut > feeling was to possibly in disbelief that the this > terribly gross act > could occur was indeed admiring the creativity of > 'Trojan horsing' the > American sleeping giant. I think he was somehow > beyond the > horribleness of it all and being the artist of which > society > particularly ours have never understood. > > Sidebar though aware of him from my music education > I was really out > of touch to what was apartant true modern artistic > innovation. There > must be one hell of a creative band in heaven with > Karl, Jimmy, > Michael, Nick and so many others, wonder if Jim > Morrison and Karl will > hit it off. Thanks for reminding me of who he was. > > Good weekend > > > Jim > > On 12/8/07, Daryl Shawn > wrote: > > Well, no question he didn't endear himself to > anyone with his comments. > > However, other than referring to "Lucifer" as the > spirit of rebellion > > and anarchy (which is positive in my book :-D ), > Stockhausen says he's a > > destructor, who does not know love. To me it > doesn't seem as if he's > > praising the act itself, at all. If he'd have > simply said "it was a work > > of art by the Devil himself", or "it was the > ultimate masterpiece of > > destruction", I think it'd be accepted that the > sentiment is that it was > > an evil act. > > > > BTW, my personal definition of art is > wide-ranging, and I accept > > anything that involves creation with the intent of > generating an > > aesthetic reaction - a terrorist attack doesn't > fall under this > > guideline. I just think here that if someone as > fearless as Sr. > > Karlheinz actually admired the act, he'd have > stood behind the simple > > misquote of his words, or said something like > "well, it certainly was a > > brilliant plan" or something similar (and > similarly offensive). > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > In general, invoking "Lucifer" in a positive > sense does not further > > > endear yourself to the sort of audience that > doesn't see terrorist > > > acts as a form of art. > > > > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - > http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative > souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - > http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin > is published by > Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:39:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E08D3BED5; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5pbjAL5dWY1H8SFdE23gR8GTqAU4qul6RI6Lr9x037aNlQJLStfu1kTlPHKcmcnqVZZZR8sFk6sLbfW46OqQUtlY56DUYD6b+V1Q5bYlKv5bI6RbzF/B4nFk2MVZeA27Rkusm2DOQU9pKPhyZ9FEqjR5MBQodbz4KqRK1qTu6W4=; X-YMail-OSG: JlWsdqIVM1n5OR0hBuHxe8bTHSgEIfXgYktYztnAjADm7mFhUtk2fN2LxF8q6.E4WSv904dklTkNA9Fb6nkTrSWBf8lUq6b1KCbZtN7qbnbx7NURctiXZMe87wU5MA-- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:39:00 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071210105427.214300@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <882796.18980.qm@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You ned to have contact between the shiny face of the dics and the sound source you are picking up.the case elimiinates these vibrations. Buy a copy of "Handmade Electronic Music" by Nicholas Collins, and EVERYTHING will be spelled out in extreme detail. It will also give you MANY ideas on other ways to make budget sounds and devices that will enhance your music greatly. Rig --- nico spahni wrote: > Okay, thanks, why would you take it out of its case > though? > > Nico > > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > > Datum: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:42:58 -0800 (PST) > > Von: bill bigrig > > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Betreff: Re: OT: small, battery-powered pre-amp > > > Howdy, > > > > i have always used the radio shack 272-064 or > 064a. > > They don't sell them anymore but you may be able > to > > order them. otherwise, I would try a pe-35 or > pe-54 > > >from allelectronics.com. You'll have to carefully > pry > > them out ofthe case, solder a guitar cord to the > > leads, hot to center, sheild to outside and put > tape > > over the back to keep the leade from getting torn > off. > > Or dip once in plasti-dip. thenyou have > ahydrophone to > > boot. Tape it to different placeson the guitar. > Try 2 > > or 3. the possibilities are endless. > > Rig > > > > > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > > > Thanks, Rig. Can you recommend a particular > piezo > > > disc? Where can I get > > > it? > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > Nico > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 08.12.2007 um 23:54 schrieb bill bigrig: > > > > > > > Howdy, > > > > > > > > In my experience, if you use the right peizo > > > disc, > > > > soldered to a guitar cable, I go straight into > the > > > > mixer and have plenty of gain without a > preamp. > > > Dozens > > > > of them. Never used a pre amp. > > > > Rig > > > > > > > > --- nico spahni wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi folks > > > >> > > > >> I'm looking for a small (will be mounted on > > > guitar), > > > >> inexpensive, > > > >> battery-powered pre-amp to amplify a piezo > > > >> transducer. Any suggestions? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks > > > >> > > > >> Nico > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > _____________ > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > > > > > > > > > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > -- > Psssst! 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:57:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A86D3BEC5; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:57:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=btC5GGMR6YpLS5gKbC5yiuumaBdM4+siyCm0SGV7K2UjounvtroUiZtxwnev29X8wCw+6yG5D+Oicwr7qFgNo3NpLTwQJ2g8aQ4KTHXQBkA9bqoEv2zAUvZVpgZ6NNXfnQdmpYO9I1+mtIIh3VWxSUY+GwHdYViKA5qxGMS0a1M=; X-YMail-OSG: 25UYsJcVM1moTi7cxc.4i_gG0aQMMbYpVkXNR8PCXzqe6KUNv0VkpSkUV6Ee0mctt7tHF_2JY1I39.uuWX7S2CJEDcyP5vk0PxyJQjZ_JXEhZ5peEJA- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3WYqLB.A.OwB.CyfXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:57:06 +0000 (UTC) I don´t know Luca,i was actually a bit shocked when i heard his statement in the german news,now reading more about it,it seems that what he said was a bit exagerated but then again thats the job of the media.What bothers me about such event being compared to art coming from such an artist is that great art is beyond reality for the most part,but this event was. Nothing to do with his music offcourse,and no doubt of his genious,just a statement that can be easily misinterpreted. Luis --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Luis, > I think you have been putting this sentence in a > dangerous way. > > Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic > when he said that and > he payed a lot for this. > His mistake was not having create the right context > in which this > sentence could have had the right interpretation. > > Most of the information world took this yummy chance > to denounce a big > offense to the disaster that had been happening on > 9/11. > But this has shown once again how the provocative > sentence by S. could > have some meaning. > Just watch the latest directions that sculpture and > most of the visual > art has taken and you will notice that the twin > towers attack is using > the same violent language form that is inside many > offensive > "conceptual" work of art. The difference is in being > real or a fiction. > > The problem stays in the in the value of the concept > over the value of > human sensitivity. > Most of the art celebrated during the latest years > is a work of violence > towards our sensitivity. > Most of the information is using violence as an > opportunity to get a > massive audience. > So here come students that kill to be famous and > artists who sectionate > a cow to be hyperrealists. > > Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing > the truth on the > surface of how people want to understand what they > would like to listen to. > > It would have been safer for me to tell you this in > italian, to be sure > that there could be no misunderstandings. > > Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. > I think that he was the last of the most > revolutionary composers. > > This means we are no more in the post-modern era. > > Now it's you. > > Luca > www.unguitar.com > > Jeff Shirkey wrote: > > > > > On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > >> I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday > and he > >> said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most > impressive > >> form of art hes ever seen... > > > > > > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror > itself? And, if so, > > he called that "art"? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) > __________ > > > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema > Antivirus NOD32 > > http://www.nod32.it > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 02:57:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 716643BED2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=mXXBhOFQ6+8FpF45YDlN7WB6CZddM3tXgL38eRjbXe8=; b=K9JUrrcpW8KiS/EaZovZRSqPPE3Xusoxa1fg84q3TyJN0DkRmbytODq8dF7RUVgQ+cj2C2IuZKI/fetHo96jEWy6l8R4pn9av58t4PkgeaSm6GO9RMaqqLDTP+EWHUJ5mh/aUU4tMtXG1RZTdStZ6jK7at3NOLc3zRe92XjwLT0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=vsWeJpARlewBuc8Y8qrPU7is9VJXukiLm2LpGu+F2nIL4Wk6Shy7Saa3jIBZaD5e25aLwSp1v8Qa2xXjTgy1ZRLxuom5adIBipiHkCqqoDogp29kqOfZfv+ATYzQtr+0obVnr2vJPkn74/LeaRE9CqwSuoiwk6h85cy4p3VKbH0= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:57:26 -1000 From: "michael wall" Sender: drumaloha@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, "michael wall" Subject: Headphone Set-Up MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 229d3f89576adf02 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:57:28 +0000 (UTC) I'm looking for a recommendation for a wireless ear-bud "headphone" set-up to run out of the phone jack of my RC-50 to isolate the click track. all suggestions appreciated thanks! michael drum@hawaii.rr.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 03:06:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DB703BEA6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GGvwW+Oc8E1CkcY67YIXLdx+Pky5N1eKx6iDxr84YAkT+5vTM+Q92hsuo3DDi8vsui4RN69rNqXGJLFg7LehZg+vtEE1amUsM71EbAe+aSP/ftvGvI/0PaLxPmjiWB8cZfIXvFxa7cP5hDPQuGaT82I4otZfozjwVlXF/awIMAw=; X-YMail-OSG: jn3VW_AVM1kJjMxmdLt.9sImn_bz_.8bcGjyxMFUVRDAAoHe1WRx0tZ.nO_pqaE9WQ-- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:06:47 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Kork Mr1 recorder To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <474A9DDC.1040704@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <704093.35797.qm@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I don't know, CD players have been using one bit decoding for years and it seems to sound fine. rig --- andy butler wrote: > Presumably you throw it away when the internal > rechargeable battery > is worn out? > > Otherwise apart from the very big price tag it looks > ok. > > The 1-bit thing renders audio into a format where > it's difficult > to process the sound in any way (including volume > change). > While the inventors make great claims for the format > it's > possible that some of this is hype, mainly for the > reason stated above. > > andy > > > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Check it out. > > > > http://www.korg.com/mr1/ > > > > Too bad the inputs are mini, though this is the > first time I've seen > > balanced mini inputs. It comes with a tiny Crown > stereo mic. It has an > > internal 20 gig drive too. > > > > K- > > > > Krispen Hartung > > http://www.krispenhartung.com > > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 04:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A91463BEB9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DC7OOlYTGCMNQ/nFRX0Movqq06raqSqa7pU4U/9wGlqti3lRWkX/Q9svj1DzmKvCGOTf8BALdd2GHkIgPBdnRAQBVGi5rK/WFP7z762wulYrVMO9Eh4ALUohpPT10eTCOOym1WNWrEIOO0q73qEeLJlLidp//35HQjXohBg3FdE=; X-YMail-OSG: cs0pBmQVM1lp7COudQUZ0aPcSblXA9iXDCwAPyoPT9mWCx5RgQaD9_FTlPY_9qw.ZRzdfZTpGuewpT75YSNTctZI9V1LHACemMyV8qlQ6im8zN95c0g- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:14:41 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <26919.20593.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Daryl i dont know if it will work for your purpose but also check out the trance audio: http://www.tranceaudio.com/index.html this are amazing transducers and although they are installed underneath the bridge,they microphone the whole guitar,it doesnt matter where you tap it! expensive though.. Luis --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Thanks everyone for the additional recommendations, > much appreciated. I > didn't realize the RNC had stereo ins, which along > with the high > recommendations and appropriateness for other uses > in the studio might > make it the winner. I think I have lots of choices > for pickups, the > I-Beam is a tempting one for easy installation. > > The main issues to resolve are the two outputs, as I > really want to keep > the current electronics (it always gets compliments, > and in the studio > we almost always picked it, through an Avalon M5 > direct box I fell in > love with, over a Neumann condenser). I don't mind > having a second > output in the body (it'll make people wonder what > I'm up to :-D ), I'll > just need to find a good luthier. > > For the headstock pickup I may just go with a cheap > piezo stick-on, I'm > not sure what to do about the cord issue but maybe > I'd just attach it as > needed. > > extra thanks for the especially detailed response, > Bill! I'll have to > check out the Dtars, and also Rodrigo Y Gabriela, > one would think I'd > have heard of them by now... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > Daryl part 2, > > I highly recommend the RNC as well. Excellent > value, very transparent, with > > two "modes", and it has stereo ins and outs. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 04:26:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D46FB3BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uk2dDHRI3UxMheyXAAK6GiwUf/5O3347TbHp3HPn1AU5auFPkmhfbEX4HgekwwY3MwATNaobazznXvaSmnrsA+XaFJzdZKgXUn5SsTlDH/djax2qbJiwuM6xB0n517GEzq5YieO8yghd7449XBE9an/BywuJVEoCYd7xH+Mg0Ro=; X-YMail-OSG: VrzExT8VM1mxJuds0.8.6t_DPsbpLvOmfctZXpvI5duXseukG2z6Me_Nlx69btwFrMVL.8o7CNyM.FbnkprP6TdKtRU6QX9fj5w5Ltz4_uS6Q8V5UuU- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:26:13 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712061148l7b046012ra219d71a7d192752@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <479402.18445.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:26:14 +0000 (UTC) Yes they are not dead yet,Frap is now: http://www.tranceaudio.com/index.html i have it and love it,ive dettached on of the transducers and mix it up with a takamine tri-ax magnetic and have the best of both worlds.But now i am thinking of drilling a second hole and having the trance audio stereo transducers out in stereo,plus the magnetic for more sonic flexibility.I like the natural percussive sound of the TA lenses without any effect other than reverb and the magnetic through a proccessor,killer combination! unfortunately this system only works with steel strings and there is a special cable designed for it so dont loose it or get a second one! Luis --- Jim Goodin wrote: > Michael [Hedges] used a FRAP for this which not sure > it's made anymore. THe > other idea is use an internal mic mount, I started > to do that with one I was > given by GHS but it never worked out right though > Taylor does this a lot in > their guitars. With a nylon a combo of a soundhole > electro-magnetic and the > piezo probably won't do it however the $35 Dean > Markeley I had in CA on my > mandolin which is an electrom... but it still picked > up a lot of top. here's > a link. > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Markley-Artist-Transducer?sku=304005. > You might use it in combo to the saddle pickup... > > Jim > > On Dec 6, 2007 1:38 PM, Daryl Shawn > wrote: > > > Forgive this wholly off-topic query, though of > course it does concern > > equipment that will be eventually used in > looping... > > > > I like the onboard piezo pickup in my Takamine > nylon-string, but I'm > > starting to do more banging on the guitar body > these days and the piezo > > doesn't really transmit these sounds very well. An > external mic does > > fine with this of course, but I want something > suitable for onstage use > > and I hate having to hold more or less still in > front of a mic. I've > > gotten a recommendation (thanks Michael!) on the > Baggs Element, but am > > wondering if anyone's had experience with anything > else, especially with > > having two different pickup systems in one guitar. > I'd like to keep my > > current setup and add to it (maybe I can split the > output at the endpin > > with a TRS jack...?). > > > > Also, I'm making more use of the harmonics that > appear between the fret > > and the headstock, which of course aren't heard by > standard-mounted > > pickups. I know Fred Frith had a guitar with a > pickup mounted up on the > > headstock, though his was huge (and appeared on an > electric) and was > > done quite some time ago, I'm hoping there are > some kind of developments > > here since. > > > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really good > portable (i.e., stompbox, > > tabletop, half-rack) compressor that's well-suited > to acoustic guitar, > > that is, helps to even out the natural sounds and > doesn't produce any of > > the "breathing" effect - I'm not looking for > extreme compression, just > > something to musically accentuate the harmonics > and even out the big > > spike. The Keeley compressor is raved about > frequently, but I'm curious > > if anyone has had experience with it on acoustic > guitar. > > > > Daryl Shawn > > www.swanwelder.com > > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - > http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative > souls - > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - > http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars > - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is > published by Mel Bay > Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 04:28:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EBAE3BED0; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=31pXBiis2H5XmRxJu20WqSUqO9bMxD3vuqPdFT/92A6W3F2+YQmgWwLuIDIOTyHxs7P4IFdkXGD39Ts+GQT/32gVaDesizC9dMWLrDq/L5eT2mJuuy8w/zdx7dqLRyMau0GmFMYEbFCXwijfq0XNaYyQI717wDX0ysyJsZLZu3Y=; X-YMail-OSG: VmhO3o0VM1l7HA0PTKPOmTbgl8NISOYnViSiOX6V2HDDtEE9Un9pZFyWrmSVeGxtKgVUIH6j.PjvQfmKap3W3Vu7FPqKf8GhV3LqS4LBBbOweuqSUks- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:28:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <886883.87698.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Is there an effect or an exciter out there good for acoustics that will enhance the bass response of the guitar almost like having an octave pedal? Luis --- max valentino wrote: > > The Keeley is a fine compressor...but for acoustics > I have found the Demeter Compulator to be > outstanding. Another compr to consider (and is much > more affordable) is the Aphex Punch Factory. Very > transparent and even sounding...wonderful with > acoustic gtrs...no pumping. > > Max > > Finally, I'm looking for a really really > good portable (i.e., stompbox, > tabletop, > half-rack) compressor that's well-suited to acoustic > guitar, > that is, helps to even out the natural > sounds and doesn't produce any of > the "breathing" > effect - I'm not looking for extreme compression, > just > something to musically accentuate the > harmonics and even out the big > spike. The Keeley > compressor is raved about frequently, but I'm > curious > if anyone has had experience with it on > acoustic guitar.> >> > _________________________________________________________________ > Put your friends on the big screen with Windows > Vista® + Windows Live™. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 05:02:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52CD3BEC7; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: slow gear Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:02:35 -0800 Message-ID: <007201c83bb3$0b817f40$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg7nxM0BQ0gaw0BSHiRoD8t15QiMwAE6VMA In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Well, the new VG99 has the ability to serve in the same way as a GI-20, but it also has some retro stuff like gr300 simulations, and all that other pitch transposition effects, and modeling, stuff, and I think that a GI-20 married to a module like XV stuff would sound infinitely better than what I'm able to coax from my old GR30 :) but I've been reluctant to go that route, as I like being un-tethered to the GR interface cable right now. I'm going to jettison an RMC system because I no longer use guitar synth with nylon string guitar like I once thought I would, I haven't for a few years now. The problem with synthesizers for me is the ones I like are out of my price range, and eventually they become dated sounding anyway. I think guys like Fripp and Metheny have found sounds they like to use and have become signature to them and they are creatures of habit, and perhaps they also have reached that point long ago that to always want the latest and greatest in technology, can be a trap that gets in the way of the creative process. Fripp seems to me like the kind of guy who would resist the temptation to always have the coolest new this or that. Of course this is all conjecture on my part, never met the man. The next time I see him he may be sporting a new VG-99!!!!!!! Bill Hey Bill, I am with you,i havent been playing with my synth at all lately and been doing the same as you,exploring synth like sounds from my DL4,i find the string sounds from delays a lot more interesting than the synth ones,but the combination of both can be also very nice.I am still curious to hear if Roland plans to keep up with their guitar synths or drop them for their VG units.. by the way how you ever compared the combination of a GI-20 and module like the roland xv series to that of the floor synth units as far a sound? I see Fripp still using the old GR-1! Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 05:02:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B3A13BEC5; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:02:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vas4Jp6JmCIA3ColZ73AE74fpAGkX8LXJXKRZw9RuEmE6SlzJhGgvhoULyX+yi+VEP22vdPYGDDVe7psqIMF4NVr9Ek9bpzL8SsxN/mGgTzgTGlaywzXN7w6WXXQhuuiesL6fYZzkP/mWV1SxQWwnaiO8goVcsdYdIcaU7l03WM=; X-YMail-OSG: Clv1_JgVM1mp7OicOikCNfNw5P_h1JQk4Ye3tj9dgMkCUvuzDFfvbdNvi3NlXGgHmgfcJJdRrnrTEG3Rl5eeoZapRv6ZJPuTRWsOZbRDqEsRpe5ztdw- Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: What any decent studio needs... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071206123050.u9nj4utbxq804gk8@www.wightman.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <976588.37898.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:02:39 +0000 (UTC) That is funny! hmm...but you got me looking at the new sm82 mixer,finally they put a universal power supply on it!in my quest for a mackie like portable rack mixer with mic preamps,efx send,pan etc.i am thinking this in combination with the fireface800 would make a killer portable mixer and recorder,although i would still be missing the EQ for the voice and guitar,but i suppose i could get a floor efx unit that would provide that. Luis --- phaslem@wightman.ca wrote: > Thanks, this was the biggest laugh I've had in > weeks! > > > > > > >> >> http://www.rane.com/pi14.html > >> > > >> > Old April Fool's jokes never die on the > Internet. > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 05:08:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 945103BEC7; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=0z9GA9FPP9ZOjzT0evWzvQFLbKU+lIIeJY5JgU98Ca8=; b=nNCKZWjo4XSastRJY8wlOWRRXZLb0QUo9RRXWBzppPwmbS5GTBgCRcMXDg1PiBdyLh1RFn1a8J8CNYCuMcb/PI58RgnSJphMDj4l5B/TYhY/IfesM0kXSBpMOW2q2X+KdzuGxfOBvQjoUdmE4HysPBty5fKPhcoY9uh1b7vK6RE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=dm/uQHMX/gZTZVi8MASrHewbQL0HOQn4xHQ8syp9SC33EbSsE6Y9yAdEKAE+19u5ggUz0XXMygW5P0/POCv/lf8ZzK8n6/r5S4KND7PAYx2N3VRuFLYGJr/WB2bIma+r8PLSlB5DAxOoU6QpQp+5AWUJROlfbeTcwZlze9L/VFM= From: "Tony K" To: References: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> In-Reply-To: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> Subject: RE: How do you chain your Effects? Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:08:14 -0500 Message-ID: <00c201c83bb3$e47c3830$ad74a890$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Acg7ftSr0Z1110t/SW6SFClW332vgAAMlpFA Content-language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:08:34 +0000 (UTC) My setup goes like this... Guitar-> RP2000/VG8/Synths -> rack mixer (stereo out split to) -> 12 channel mixer -> 16 channel mixer -> Alesis ModFX -> (split) -> 16 channel mixer -> back to the 12 channel mixer Once in the 16 channel, I send one AUX send to RC20xl -> Ibanez Chorus -> Adrenalinn -> DD20 -> RSP550 -> back to the mixer And one AUX to DigiTech PDS1002 -> Vortex -> DL4 -> back to the mixer. Yeah, it's nuts. I run my bass into a EH Bass MicroSynth and an ART TubeMP. I loop the wet signal since by the time it gets to the loopers, it's completely mangled. But I can loop the dry signal if I want. I send the ALT 3/4 sends on the 16 channel mixer to my PC for recording. That mixer has the Aux returns from both sends, 2 stereo outs from the 12 channel (that allows me to send one signal to the PC and one to the loopers), stereo out from the Alesis ModFX chain. I can also do wacky stuff like routing the Aux send return from one to the other. It does completely unexpected stuff all the time. Confused? Tony -----Original Message----- From: Buzap Buzap [mailto:buzap@gmx.net] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:48 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: How do you chain your Effects? Hi folks since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain your effects? I usually do it like this: Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again. Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this: Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb) But in general: Where do you usually add effects? Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? Best regards Buzap - No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1179 - Release Date: 12/9/2007 11:06 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 05:10:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 261FA3BEC7; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:08:38 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video with The Lothars PA's Lounge, Somerville MA Thursday 12.14 To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: <9juP2.A.ApG.6uhXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:10:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, I'll be doing video improv with one of my=20 favorite undefinable improv bands, The Lothars,=20 on Thursday Dec 13, and will also be performing=20 with Concord Ballet. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 06:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 560483BEB9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1742 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:38:30 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=WnhbE7aguM6A12u1bYiVEAdaEowbWUzcBXc5+0sS9VE=; b=UPW89Tq6vmZ5nqxhDV7YSyKA5011ymvZoCFkZFVaZ+U0/smWoNBmw4wYWuTqxBVac476xbm8OR1oTwLwfGALkwb/qN5cDSC89e6uFfF1sN7mQl1/4eLLv5pIRQmz8RuCQW4eC5sxhSeIuHja4xprumSAIOo4dDkfbD2dtR5ScB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AeyMRy6+SYWEhvlRsMlCR81PGHByXrlJPH8s/1JiVZyeI+OP+wr8DauBkxn01tspwsz8YP4EqzYcy2ewkUkE/WGahl7rmJ6dwPQtRbK03ZsZ4R4L2redjnQbHsNwGdzf9gx86JCNQlCKE8cPDSiizrGXNaJlGMQ1+h1WhkjdGQU= Message-ID: <4759e5740712102209j783eb008l24fa7c46cc6caec0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 01:09:26 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Headphone Set-Up In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20785_29528445.1197353366755" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:38:31 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20785_29528445.1197353366755 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline probably mine is the most expensive... sennheiser g2 IEM 300 700 bucks... all best, todd On 12/10/07, michael wall wrote: > > I'm looking for a recommendation for a wireless ear-bud "headphone" > set-up to run out of the phone jack of my RC-50 to isolate the click > track. > > all suggestions appreciated > > thanks! > > michael > drum@hawaii.rr.com > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_20785_29528445.1197353366755 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline probably mine is the most expensive... 

sennheiser g2 IEM 300

700 bucks... 

all best,

todd



On 12/10/07, michael wall <drum@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a recommendation for a wireless ear-bud "headphone"
set-up to run out of the phone jack of my RC-50 to isolate the click
track.

all suggestions appreciated

thanks!

michael
drum@hawaii.rr.com




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 07:09:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D55333BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:09:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=b4vA5bhSyyz4vVtoJ+EwsZbnV/bxEyXck02IOLdHAx8=; b=L8DIBwTybwNxutBz19u9TVFEecQSNfDr5ki5T0qzoe6BESdWBAYB19xZiwolu1Jp/otSC8Z0p3Mzz82e9hin3D00nrbvt9bBE+P3LHyjkYyqZbx7o0NMG2t6hNr4JUW0RxrYp6Y6+xKF2LYRbg8EEHs10rI9HnMvwarBpA9H5Mw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pGhHyHGolwMMBdHxpTjLtR8qMm+MX+poTI4Fyc+Si8xTCxx+YJ03x5NVpZkFFsfGwVTFWhv9i6UDsfQokCv4IkiyGhW36eCiRywBPHKvBLNpjCkFVlPY7RVn6cymT6KnEoOeMU+DMJN1jhBoEbuAEvdYFMzcn/RC7ZBbTFU/HJc= In-Reply-To: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> References: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <382DC989-053F-45E0-9116-7297E9137E63@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:09:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8dHirB.A.xeC.GfjXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77108 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:09:58 +0000 (UTC) On 10 dec 2007, at 23.48, Buzap Buzap wrote: > But in general: > Where do you usually add effects? > Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? In general I loop the processed signal (if performing - for studio recording purposes anything goes). This is for two main reasons; I like that looped sound better and it allows me to do more interesting work with the looper. I have a different approach than Luca in that I give priority to performance aspects rather than "to keep everything as open as possible". Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 08:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C827E3BEC1; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Na8NjxmfN167/OnZrInVD94fJD7pQv1k6uYivkx yvv/ijkyAxDuv5 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <11178a0177b8ac21bcc5220a2b9baaf0@gmx.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Mini-Kaoss Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:18:52 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <5xBwdB.A.9TE.tekXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tony I can recommend the MiniKP (don't know the KP2 and 3, though). It is obviously not as versatile as its full-fledged brethren. It's really a question of what you want to do with it. I got the MiniKP for its small size: see www.recpro.ch/pictures/kaoss_silent_guitar.jpg Cheers Nico Am 10.12.2007 um 21:14 schrieb Tony K: > Hi all, > > I'm looking at the MiniKP and wondered if anybody has it and the KP2 > (not 3) to compare it to. Musician's Friend has the MiniKP for $200 > and leftover KP2's for $300. I wondered if it was worth the extra > $100 for the KP2. I'd go for the KP3, but this is going to be a > present for me and I do have a limit. :) > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 08:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD7AA3BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c83bd1$4531bbb0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:38:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Academic types often make boners like that, though. It comes from not having too much contact with the actual world, mostly. From: "L.A. Angulo" >I don´t know Luca,i was actually a bit shocked when i > heard his statement in the german news,now reading > more about it,it seems that what he said was a bit > exagerated but then again thats the job of the > media.What bothers me about such event being compared > to art coming from such an artist is that great art is > beyond reality for the most part,but this event was. > Nothing to do with his music offcourse,and no doubt of > his genious,just a statement that can be easily > misinterpreted. > Luis > > > --- Luca Formentini wrote: > >> Luis, >> I think you have been putting this sentence in a >> dangerous way. >> >> Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic >> when he said that and >> he payed a lot for this. >> His mistake was not having create the right context >> in which this >> sentence could have had the right interpretation. >> >> Most of the information world took this yummy chance >> to denounce a big >> offense to the disaster that had been happening on >> 9/11. >> But this has shown once again how the provocative >> sentence by S. could >> have some meaning. >> Just watch the latest directions that sculpture and >> most of the visual >> art has taken and you will notice that the twin >> towers attack is using >> the same violent language form that is inside many >> offensive >> "conceptual" work of art. The difference is in being >> real or a fiction. >> >> The problem stays in the in the value of the concept >> over the value of >> human sensitivity. >> Most of the art celebrated during the latest years >> is a work of violence >> towards our sensitivity. >> Most of the information is using violence as an >> opportunity to get a >> massive audience. >> So here come students that kill to be famous and >> artists who sectionate >> a cow to be hyperrealists. >> >> Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing >> the truth on the >> surface of how people want to understand what they >> would like to listen to. >> >> It would have been safer for me to tell you this in >> italian, to be sure >> that there could be no misunderstandings. >> >> Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. >> I think that he was the last of the most >> revolutionary composers. >> >> This means we are no more in the post-modern era. >> >> Now it's you. >> >> Luca >> www.unguitar.com >> >> Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> > >> > On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> > >> >> I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday >> and he >> >> said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most >> impressive >> >> form of art hes ever seen... >> > >> > >> > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror >> itself? And, if so, >> > he called that "art"? >> > >> > Jeff >> > >> > >> > __________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) >> __________ >> > >> > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema >> Antivirus NOD32 >> > http://www.nod32.it >> > >> > >> > >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 09:26:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E5393BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:26:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:26:43 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:How do you chain your Effects? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:26:51 +0000 (UTC) > how do you actually chain your effects? My setup: Instruments -> Mixer -> Delay/FX -> Looper -> PA. Volume and FX= levels are changed using a midi controller, the mixer settings don't cha= nge http://home.scarlet.be/blue-moon/images/live_setup.jpg Regards, Sjaak=0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 11:15:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D1423BEB2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OYhF6jVwCzTwajWF/rBHmg/LcK+3rA3OOHoblBmZ0HU=; b=Vk4tfm91jpo3jIChlR4Zid+n/XVndOcXAhUBkfdnilIXJn4RvK3E02G6FmtAIq1d447Z7+MEr7Ulxk+oHRpl5tMxASIJLXLOXLZBCkerN0ktt4IYeqoSauuQsCnjOMfYwvnifTrnode9+X1E8ylRkLSXo1Iu1m54r8plH+h7tQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ooEoNEFZkVpwCtwP6ilA9RO/dda716xK3SXBJijKscT3TmAI0XGYI2/DWgMGsM7dc5/GXLkp16+FIZvbR9tUkok7uUsASoDVWapvJXd9jSF+zY4XsCDnp4HHd/sfA67Hnoez1+Yhunsp5sTRxvTXxXBDtUm9Pyx3y3XPi/4+xow= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:15:35 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? In-Reply-To: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27420_32299334.1197371735789" References: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:15:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27420_32299334.1197371735789 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My chain is as follows: Guitar (Acoustic/Electric/MIDI-out) => GR-20 => GR-20 Stereo Out =>Lexicon Vortex #1 => Vortex #2 => Vortex #3 => Lexicon MP200 => Boss DD-20 GigaDelay #1 => DD-20 #2 => Vortex #4 => Mixer => PA The loop is always wet. No, I take that back ... it's totally soaked. Dennis On Dec 10, 2007 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain > your effects? > > I usually do it like this: > Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA > > Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again. > > Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this: > Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. > KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb) > > But in general: > Where do you usually add effects? > Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > ------=_Part_27420_32299334.1197371735789 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My chain is as follows:

Guitar (Acoustic/Electric/MIDI-out) => GR-20 => GR-20 Stereo Out =>Lexicon Vortex #1 => Vortex #2 => Vortex #3 => Lexicon MP200 => Boss DD-20 GigaDelay #1 => DD-20 #2 => Vortex #4 => Mixer => PA

The loop is always wet. No, I take that back ... it's totally soaked.

Dennis

On Dec 10, 2007 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi folks

since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain your effects?

I usually do it like this:
Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA

Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again.

Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this:
Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb)

But in general:
Where do you usually add effects?
Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal?

Best regards
Buzap

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------=_Part_27420_32299334.1197371735789-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 11:17:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFA8C3BECA; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:17:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:17:10 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200712111117.lBBBHAXH016894@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: teg.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re:How do you chain your Effects? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <6nNb5D.A._fB.4GnXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:17:12 +0000 (UTC) I believe the most important philosophical question is "effects before or a= fter the looper?" Of course, the best way is to have both, like in my big hardware setup (htt= p://moinlabs.de/images/MS02.jpg) or in my laptop-based setup, where effects= can be placed both after and before the looper. The choice has usually to be made in smaller, pedalboard-style/mixer-free s= etups (like in my small instrument into Zoom G2.1u into Boss DD20, sometime= s with a Korg KP3 trailing that setup). In that setup, I make a lot of use = of the Zoom's internal effect, but also can use the KP3's effects (if prese= nt) after the looper. However, a post-looper effect here will automatically affect both loop and = instrument signal. Generally, the advantage of effect pre-looper: * you can make use of the looper effecting the effects (like in a reverse= loop having the reverb happening before the signal) * you can "free up" your effects after it has been mixed-down to the loop The advantage of effect post-looper: * in modulated effects, the modulation is always confined to the loop's t= iming, whereas e.g. a step-sequencer controlled filter can have another loo= p duration if it comes after the loop and thus sound different everytime th= e loop comes around. * you can change the effects processing of a static loop during the perfo= rmance. A good alternative is using a looper like e.g. the Repeater which has an ef= fects insert, where you can choose to have the effect work on the input sig= nal or on the loops. But if I only have one effect available and don't have a looper with an ins= ert, I also will always put the effect pre-looper. If I have more than one = effect, at least one will be after the looper. Rainer ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re:How do you chain your Effects? Gesendet: Di, 11. Dez 2007 Von: Sjaak > > how do you actually chain your effects? >=20 > My setup: Instruments -> Mixer -> Delay/FX -> Looper -> PA. Volume and FX > levels are changed using a midi controller, the mixer settings don't chan= ge From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 13:27:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23E7F3BEB2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:27:32 -0500 References: <20071210224822.23050@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:27:37 +0000 (UTC) Totally depends on the tune. I have about 30 different setups in Ableton Live. I just pull up the tune and there they are. The Core 2 Duo chip has changed my life. On Dec 10, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi folks > > since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually > chain your effects? > > I usually do it like this: > Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA > > Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again. > > Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this: > Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. > KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb) > > But in general: > Where do you usually add effects? > Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? > > Best regards > Buzap > > -- > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 15:21:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23DFB3BEA6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:21:21 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <200712111117.lBBBHAXH016894@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: <20071211152121.232650@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <200712111117.lBBBHAXH016894@post.webmailer.de> Subject: Re: Re:How do you chain your Effects? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18pHqwsRAApmkRRRhGjSw7f/cMCyBmzITfaua8WwK ZdyDNBVfPDQUlGl6G9VNBL6kRp9ygrQ2tS+A== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: yZhnctoXeWUocMF6iHRzZ+UxU3U4N89m Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:21:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer > Of course, the best way is to have both, like in my big hardware setup > (http://moinlabs.de/images/MS02.jpg) or in my laptop-based setup, where > effects can be placed both after and before the looper. thanks for your detailed feedback. Btw, is this a Marleaux bass? looks nice :-) Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 16:16:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 390883BEB8; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rnlbH82MQRnY3Wm8tdMLL1cyN0RmDu4hFgKQZDQjSoo=; b=vWJlKCW6FDrQMvT6U+ztNgz5g6r/ONZzkYKJvbdJgC6oBwg25TjbvImMsvG59rFDPh81Ngc3LsQNVsjs0QIAzSk3TJO6VXRDVzkhNSC2kSt1cDNlt7Cc2mYhQsgJYwVoflvHNS5+UvgnX5kFLIbLl9rV1A/Gk++amUzyLJ9DIDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TIPyLUkS49dSCDmUp06PrzWKrWD1U3+wjpfuJM4WKfrnY8ZjAYKQgXzvWU0heQacgBgJF9TQQYl/e0IAivvAhNe7gbZ7FlZMxSwfIrw+Z9HKvVMxnEWkG3oCLiZw+WYzrDsEQJvHpT2IwmUj4dp8/hl8UC/L8a+/nAVHI3Ad13U= Message-ID: <4759e5740712110816g1f379e95pc4e72a2d7111f2b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:16:43 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re:How do you chain your Effects? In-Reply-To: <20071211152121.232650@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22604_2618526.1197389803700" References: <200712111117.lBBBHAXH016894@post.webmailer.de> <20071211152121.232650@gmx.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:16:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22604_2618526.1197389803700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline My input goes into channel one of Ableton Live, then I have three effects returns which I can send to. two effects returns have plug-ins on them, the third sends out to an orville, and comes back on a 2nd audio channel. With sends and returns, and midicontrollers, I can route anywhere in real time. !!!! it's the best, all best, todd ------=_Part_22604_2618526.1197389803700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
My input goes into channel one of Ableton Live,

then I have three effects returns which I can send to.

two effects returns have plug-ins on them, the third sends out to an orville, and comes back on a 2nd audio channel. 

With sends and returns, and midicontrollers, I can route anywhere in real time.

!!!!

it's the best,

all best,
todd

------=_Part_22604_2618526.1197389803700-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 17:39:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 611233BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-44219368 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Zeppelin's Set List Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:39:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:39:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-44219368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From last nights show: Good Times Bad Times Ramble On Black Dog In My Time Of Dying For Your Life Trampled Underfoot Nobody's Fault No Quarter Since I've Been Loving You Dazed And Confused Stairway To Heaven Song Remains The Same Misty Mountain Hop Kashmir Whole Lotta Love Rock N Roll Few surprises. (For your Life!?) There's already some youtube clips up. They sounded great apparently, Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes anymore. --Apple-Mail-1-44219368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =46rom last nights = show:

Good Times Bad Times
Ramble On
Black Dog
In My Time Of = Dying
For Your Life
Trampled Underfoot
Nobody's Fault
No = Quarter
Since I've Been Loving You
Dazed And Confused
Stairway = To Heaven
Song Remains The Same
Misty Mountain = Hop
Kashmir
Whole Lotta Love
Rock N Roll

Few surprises. = (For your Life!?) There's already some youtube clips up. They sounded = great apparently, Although, Plant can't seem to find those = notes anymore. 
= --Apple-Mail-1-44219368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 17:43:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D092B3BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=gOxcgGvitD6cbhkwZsYx0Gr89G/s3eJsoqZMTXaRE6A=; b=WmAR+OY4p6wmZK3o5oYp+upAXx+9GX8/wrEC0PEm7DvII7rT8jsEqy8DSPj7/173gC7smjfVdww/6ewRmnbiBecnmtK0G3i+WPf7p4xbpgQZjtkD2DUBMfzOSYzEOHjViPCnIg6l2oVZC3IediaspzFm6NAFz2LmNyvnJAs3Bug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=knmvjRxA/MQByHa5sYVA57ReR482Fw0tSoa/0T6aN+zG/1q1Qh7WfgrxNVlQdHOrUwq0x0JNPJqRqStoW9W9HpBHntvaZBRjkwq5OZ+7IfG5g1PILDeugy5Tuipq3bFg51IVIZ4Nw/FQiFLvV/q0Ive8vY6C1XmjtBwMjJ3w4OM= Message-ID: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:43:11 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Portable field recorders (again) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25015_6553903.1197394991151" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:43:16 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25015_6553903.1197394991151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was any kind of clear favorite here. I looked through the archives and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak. I'll most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing). Thanks Kevin ------=_Part_25015_6553903.1197394991151 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was any kind of clear favorite here.  I looked through the archives and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak.  I'll most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing).

Thanks

Kevin
------=_Part_25015_6553903.1197394991151-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 18:44:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 873123BEC5; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 637916633-mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.182.162 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAMxoXkdPQrai/2dsb2JhbACCJQSPEpo4 Message-ID: <475EDA74.3060003@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:44:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002701c83bd1$4531bbb0$0201a8c0@eluk1> In-Reply-To: <002701c83bd1$4531bbb0$0201a8c0@eluk1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Also nutters ;-) Let's not forget that comment was withing a whole lot of nonsense about, of all things, archangels. Not that I don't greatly admire KS for his music, but I don't see why his expertise in that field makes his personal vision of the universe newsworthy. andy butler Stephen Goodman wrote: > Academic types often make boners like that, though. It comes from not > having too much contact with the actual world, mostly. > > From: "L.A. Angulo" >> I don´t know Luca,i was actually a bit shocked when i >> heard his statement in the german news,now reading >> more about it,it seems that what he said was a bit >> exagerated but then again thats the job of the >> media.What bothers me about such event being compared >> to art coming from such an artist is that great art is >> beyond reality for the most part,but this event was. >> Nothing to do with his music offcourse,and no doubt of >> his genious,just a statement that can be easily >> misinterpreted. >> Luis >> >> >> --- Luca Formentini wrote: >> >>> Luis, >>> I think you have been putting this sentence in a >>> dangerous way. >>> >>> Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic >>> when he said that and >>> he payed a lot for this. >>> His mistake was not having create the right context >>> in which this >>> sentence could have had the right interpretation. >>> >>> Most of the information world took this yummy chance >>> to denounce a big >>> offense to the disaster that had been happening on >>> 9/11. >>> But this has shown once again how the provocative >>> sentence by S. could >>> have some meaning. >>> Just watch the latest directions that sculpture and >>> most of the visual >>> art has taken and you will notice that the twin >>> towers attack is using >>> the same violent language form that is inside many >>> offensive >>> "conceptual" work of art. The difference is in being >>> real or a fiction. >>> >>> The problem stays in the in the value of the concept >>> over the value of >>> human sensitivity. >>> Most of the art celebrated during the latest years >>> is a work of violence >>> towards our sensitivity. >>> Most of the information is using violence as an >>> opportunity to get a >>> massive audience. >>> So here come students that kill to be famous and >>> artists who sectionate >>> a cow to be hyperrealists. >>> >>> Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing >>> the truth on the >>> surface of how people want to understand what they >>> would like to listen to. >>> >>> It would have been safer for me to tell you this in >>> italian, to be sure >>> that there could be no misunderstandings. >>> >>> Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. >>> I think that he was the last of the most >>> revolutionary composers. >>> >>> This means we are no more in the post-modern era. >>> >>> Now it's you. >>> >>> Luca >>> www.unguitar.com >>> >>> Jeff Shirkey wrote: >>> >>> > >>> > On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >>> > >>> >> I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday >>> and he >>> >> said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most >>> impressive >>> >> form of art hes ever seen... >>> > >>> > >>> > By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror >>> itself? And, if so, >>> > he called that "art"? >>> > >>> > Jeff >>> > >>> > >>> > __________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) >>> __________ >>> > >>> > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema >>> Antivirus NOD32 >>> > http://www.nod32.it >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >> >> >> >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 18:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A8A3BED9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007901c83c27$3f47cb80$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:54:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0076_01C83C27.3E2E6C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:54:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C83C27.3E2E6C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Interesting. The only complaints I've read were about the awful = acoustics of the O2 Dome (addl evidence in recordings of Prince's sets = there - boomy and echoey). ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Chris Sewell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 17:39 PM Subject: Zeppelin's Set List=20 From last nights show: Good Times Bad Times Ramble On Black Dog In My Time Of Dying For Your Life Trampled Underfoot Nobody's Fault No Quarter Since I've Been Loving You Dazed And Confused Stairway To Heaven Song Remains The Same Misty Mountain Hop Kashmir Whole Lotta Love Rock N Roll Few surprises. (For your Life!?) There's already some youtube clips = up. They sounded great apparently, Although, Plant can't seem to find = those notes anymore. ------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C83C27.3E2E6C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Interesting.  The only complaints = I've read=20 were about the awful acoustics of the O2 Dome (addl evidence in = recordings of=20 Prince's sets there - boomy and echoey).
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Chris = Sewell=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, = 2007 17:39=20 PM
Subject: Zeppelin's Set List =

From last nights show:
Good Times Bad = Times
Ramble=20 On
Black Dog
In My Time Of Dying
For Your Life
Trampled=20 Underfoot
Nobody's Fault
No Quarter
Since I've Been Loving=20 You
Dazed And Confused
Stairway To Heaven
Song Remains The=20 Same
Misty Mountain Hop
Kashmir
Whole Lotta Love
Rock N=20 Roll
Few surprises. (For = your=20 Life!?) There's already some youtube clips up. They sounded=20 great apparently, Although, Plant can't seem to find those = notes=20 anymore. 
------=_NextPart_000_0076_01C83C27.3E2E6C40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:05:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A25DD3BEC1; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029f01c83c28$cb619eb0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:05:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:05:39 +0000 (UTC) I've been practicing Going To California and I can't find those notes any more either. :-) > Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes anymore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:12:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE10F3BEDA; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <9C143FAF-2CE1-4B51-B021-39C123759F33@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <029f01c83c28$cb619eb0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:12:12 -0500 References: <029f01c83c28$cb619eb0$5901a8c0@bobdell> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <0SdLIC.A.uoH.SEuXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:12:18 +0000 (UTC) Just be careful. On Dec 11, 2007, at 2:05 PM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > I've been practicing Going To California and I can't find those > notes any more either. :-) > >> Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes anymore. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:16:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 975983BEE6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tqLduVIelr4G1uGAId25s95XeemHmmCF8W0rDPilgZBjQp7UCA7U5oIqy+UV3Gb7WoYHgzWwltNRU7F/s0ymFgMa7CFmi9RYhdOnxTGuMNDSUDhu8RdYKHKFbOJo1ylb1QPg22xkCDeQSVw1hLRZiyALCiIYndQGWJ6D8SP1TY8=; X-YMail-OSG: SbbQ5LgVM1k7eIe6hZ1tByO1PZeyslRcu6frXp1fHS6uiVve9dnPWSxWk8d1hwg62yBi61umQv9qdIEyhugQR94Jqgw7EKJgFLjrQTRjR4U0rAJ8a2s- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:16:09 -0800 (PST) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: OT: Portable field recorders (again) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2115629182-1197400569=:3246" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <991795.3246.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:16:11 +0000 (UTC) --0-2115629182-1197400569=:3246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That new Fostex unit (FR-2LE) looks very interesting - except it's about $600.00. Paul Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was any kind of clear favorite here. I looked through the archives and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak. I'll most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing). Thanks Kevin --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-2115629182-1197400569=:3246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
That new Fostex unit (FR-2LE) looks very interesting - except it's about $600.00.
Paul
Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was any kind of clear favorite here.  I looked through the archives and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak.  I'll most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing).

Thanks

Kevin

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Dennis Moser <sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
My chain is as follows:

Guitar (Acoustic/Electric/MIDI-out) => GR-20 => GR-20 Stereo Out =>Lexicon Vortex #1 => Vortex #2 => Vortex #3 => Lexicon MP200 => Boss DD-20 GigaDelay #1 => DD-20 #2 => Vortex #4 => Mixer => PA

The loop is always wet. No, I take that back ... it's totally soaked.

Dennis

On Dec 10, 2007 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap <buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi folks

since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain your effects?

I usually do it like this:
Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA

Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again.

Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this:
Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb)

But in general:
Where do you usually add effects?
Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal?

Best regards
Buzap

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Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1856777292-1197400612=:60674-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:33:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 433EE3BED3; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: john floridis To: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <475EDA74.3060003@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:33:05 -0700 References: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002701c83bd1$4531bbb0$0201a8c0@eluk1> <475EDA74.3060003@tiscali.co.uk> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:33:08 +0000 (UTC) I know my earlier post on this subject may have seemed a bit harsh, and in fact I've had an interesting email conversation with a member off of the posts. In retrospect, I think I got caught up in the discussion and the fact that I do think there is at times an aloof, detachment to discussion of the attacks on 911 anymore. I just think my question remains - "Why go there? Why even make that analogy?" I hope to never lose my humanity in my quest to be an artist or evaluate the world as art. Some of the posts since then have also summed up my feelings well - the concept of great intellectuals who don't have enough contact with real, breathing people and/or don't quite know how to interact with them. Also the comments about reality and non-reality in art. Ultimately, I think Stockhausen made a major "foot in mouth" comment, which was a mistake. It is a shame that that has to be part of his legacy, but it will be. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 19:35:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05EBF3BEC5; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYQE0w== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Re:How do you chain your Effects? Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:36:18 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003401c83c2d$1a0f8a00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <20071211152121.232650@gmx.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg8CX43GaC0XzDISISgau/syT5p1QAI2Xig Resent-Message-ID: <0QDTVD.A.wo.PauXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:35:43 +0000 (UTC) > > (http://moinlabs.de/images/MS02.jpg) or in my laptop-based setup, > Btw, is this a Marleaux bass? looks nice :-) No, a Tune bass (Japanese company (is it still in business ?) not seen very much except for Japan and UK. And it is a nice instrument indeed, but heavy as hell. Les Claypool uses/d one of those. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:08:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B4743BECF; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYQE0w== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: DD-20 micro delays Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:08:38 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <003501c83c31$9e3f45f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <475DB1C2.1000107@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg7dfGPOUmYMZHISDWUSx/1EfqF5QAulAvQ Resent-Message-ID: <9L1FsC.A.1-C.g4uXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:08:01 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Michael for that interesting info on the DD20. I truly believe the DD20 does a lot more than the people at Boss intended it to do ;). I also discovered the self-oscillation trick myself some time ago, however your second discovery was news to me: > [2] Vocoder/Ring Modulation > It seems the delay acts like a filter bank amplifying all > harmonics of a given frequency, which depends on the actual > delay time. This will also work in the other delay modes, and is no surprise: A filter is actually nothing else than a (very short, in our terms) delay mixed with the original signal and sometimes fed back. You can also try that in e.g. standard mode with very short (e.g. 1-3ms) delay time. And if you use it with the modulation delay, you got yourself a phaser. However, the effect in reverse mode is by far more pronounced and strange and for that reason alone is a keeper! Another thing I noticed is then using "time advance" (holding down and turning the time knob). While I was already familiar with weird artifacts you could create when doing that with some delay contents present e.g. in smooth mode, starting from the "reverse vocoder", turning feedback to 100% and then increasing the time will give strange volume swells, gating effects and whatnot. Beautiful! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:22:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACC2C3BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <475EF626.4000704@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:42:14 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. References: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <245174.90132.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, I had the same feeling when I first heard about it. I don't know him but I know his older son very well: he is one of the most beautiful souls ( and musicians) I have had the lucky to meet. I think it was also because of this that I immediately felt the need to dig a little into his sentence to find how it represented a great opportunity for the scandalistic tribe of newsmakers media ( in Italy they seem to be the majority now). I think it was certainly put in a manner that could offer its weak side to bad thinkers and that was what it happened. I am happy that other people have had the same feeling and put some deeper informations about it. my best, luca www.unguitar.com L.A. Angulo wrote: >I don´t know Luca,i was actually a bit shocked when i >heard his statement in the german news,now reading >more about it,it seems that what he said was a bit >exagerated but then again thats the job of the >media.What bothers me about such event being compared >to art coming from such an artist is that great art is >beyond reality for the most part,but this event was. >Nothing to do with his music offcourse,and no doubt of >his genious,just a statement that can be easily >misinterpreted. >Luis > > >--- Luca Formentini wrote: > > > >>Luis, >>I think you have been putting this sentence in a >>dangerous way. >> >>Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic >>when he said that and >>he payed a lot for this. >>His mistake was not having create the right context >>in which this >>sentence could have had the right interpretation. >> >>Most of the information world took this yummy chance >>to denounce a big >>offense to the disaster that had been happening on >>9/11. >>But this has shown once again how the provocative >>sentence by S. could >>have some meaning. >>Just watch the latest directions that sculpture and >>most of the visual >>art has taken and you will notice that the twin >>towers attack is using >>the same violent language form that is inside many >>offensive >>"conceptual" work of art. The difference is in being >>real or a fiction. >> >>The problem stays in the in the value of the concept >>over the value of >>human sensitivity. >>Most of the art celebrated during the latest years >>is a work of violence >>towards our sensitivity. >>Most of the information is using violence as an >>opportunity to get a >>massive audience. >>So here come students that kill to be famous and >>artists who sectionate >>a cow to be hyperrealists. >> >>Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing >>the truth on the >>surface of how people want to understand what they >>would like to listen to. >> >>It would have been safer for me to tell you this in >>italian, to be sure >>that there could be no misunderstandings. >> >>Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. >>I think that he was the last of the most >>revolutionary composers. >> >>This means we are no more in the post-modern era. >> >>Now it's you. >> >>Luca >>www.unguitar.com >> >>Jeff Shirkey wrote: >> >> >> >>>On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday >>>> >>>> >>and he >> >> >>>>said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most >>>> >>>> >>impressive >> >> >>>>form of art hes ever seen... >>>> >>>> >>>By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror >>> >>> >>itself? And, if so, >> >> >>>he called that "art"? >>> >>>Jeff >>> >>> >>>__________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) >>> >>> >>__________ >> >> >>>Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema >>> >>> >>Antivirus NOD32 >> >> >>>http://www.nod32.it >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Looking for last minute shopping deals? >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2716 (20071211) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:34:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29FB83BED9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <475EF440.9040202@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:34:08 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc References: <625477.42898.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <625477.42898.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Whoa...that Cromacord is a crazy bit of kit! I think it would get in the way for me, I've already written a few songs that need a good bang right in the curve, where this pre-amp would go, and I'm not sure about the straps either. But it's tempting as it seems made for this purpose..."resonance disc"?? That's cool to see that FRAP is still around (at Trance Audio), I had no idea. I'll have a look at them too, thanks Luis. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > well if you really want to turn your spanish guitar > into a drum,there is the cromacord pickup they make > here for that purpose: > Ive heard it and it actually sounds really nice,your > whole guitar becomes a drum like a mic in front of > you,but perhaps lacks the presence of a piezo: > > http://www.cromacord.com/english/start.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:48:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E5873BEAF; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:48:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:48:55 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SGa6G6tkMYguJTYkj6gyfEHN7Ttj7xSJ6Estu1+oZB96u62Xp8eeDv7UslN3lPGDqVRoCPDWWh/JcVNrKVTZflggZJyN52Xxchk1kfvSLQ2CfzDheVN8nCwh475hzG9qgcTmKfCNSbZenzKsZJ9Q2EaPUsNs03cEICC5uOIE17Q=; X-YMail-OSG: qrYuSNkVM1lgPwV8NIyp5tQtyuwal7nju4.lNlMOiyl51r.TK6gYOfQTpSeVnvqjD6knXNh_cJST_YeN37L9rmPt2cyet2IuFxwIGQU7pp.NJyGauuE- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:42:15 -0800 (PST) From: scott hansen Subject: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071211194453.EEED13BEB6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-64947998-1197405735=:94171" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:48:56 +0000 (UTC) --0-64947998-1197405735=:94171 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit decided to chime in on this post (been lurking a while...) the zoom g2 is a handy little tool, yes it does have 5 sec of delay, but the bummer thing is you can't do much w/ it. if you try to change the time (short-long or long short), it cuts off and starts from scratch at whatever time you set it at. that was the bummer thing for me. my old Digitech RP100, had the 2 sec of delay and i (ab)used that as my main looper for a long time. it was very digital-glitchy, but worked for me. so, yes, the zoom g2 does have 5 sec of delay, and is cheap, portable, and it has other options that some may find useful in a multi-effects unit. the other thing i have used a bit is my new Digitech RP 150, it has 5 seconds of delay also, and there is a bit of modulation available. if you go from 5 sec to close to 0 sec it will mangle the sound and glitch it up, and it will do it to a pt from close to 0 sec if you go to 5 sec, i say close, it doesn't really stretch it like my old DOD D-12 would do (great for drones, etc), but is usable. The thing i like about the zoom g2-is it does have 3 options of delay, so if you don't have a lot of gear, you can set 3 different delays and get some great whacky ambient things going-is it as good as the high end gear?-doubtable, but i've not played w/ that, so it's the low-cost alternative. i actually think the effects & amp models are better than the RP150s, and i think the auto wahs and ring mod are great. the thing the rp150 has over the g2 is a passive volume can be used to access volume swells, whammy effect, etc, where the zoom you have to use the zoom passive volume pedal. I really only use 2 settings on the zoom-like the clean sound, and the basic "santana" preset which models an early boogie amp (crunchy sound). but i occasionally like to use the extreme digital distortions-they have their purpose. my setup is: guitar-rocktron silver dragon (tube preamp)-zoom g2-digitech rp150-boss dd20-out to either digital recorder or marshall 10 watt amp. as for the boss dd20-i have my likes/dislikes about it. wish it would stretch the delayed source material better like my old DOD d12, it just kind of warbles it, occasionally i like the tape simulations -works better than using my old tascam 4track w/ the 20 sec loop tape, and when recording i like the ping pong delays, and occasionally use the reverse delay. but when using the standard setting, what you put in is what you get out, it stays pretty true. I will also say that i like the easy/convenience of my setup vs. my old 4 -space rack of doom that had pedals before it (boy that was a space hog on my recording desk area), and when i want to plug in my new casio keyboard it works fine for that also....about the only thing i really miss is having access to playing samples backwards like the 6 sec samples would do in reverse on the dod d12, but the dd20's reverse delay gives me a close feeling of it. my 2 cents for the day.... s--- ps-i will also say that i've been recording some stuff again, after taking most of the yr off, and did a track that had both the boss dd20 & digitech rp150 going at the same time-and there was some interesting things you could do w/ both going at once.... --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-64947998-1197405735=:94171 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit decided to chime in on this post (been lurking a while...)
the zoom g2 is a handy little tool, yes it does have 5 sec of delay, but the bummer thing is you can't do much w/ it. if you try to change the time (short-long or long short), it cuts off and starts from scratch at whatever time you set it at. that was the bummer thing for me. my old Digitech RP100, had the 2 sec of delay and i (ab)used that as my main looper for a long time. it was very digital-glitchy, but worked for me.
so, yes, the zoom g2 does have 5 sec of delay, and is cheap, portable, and it has other options that some may find useful in a multi-effects unit.

the other thing i have used a bit is my new Digitech RP 150, it has 5 seconds of delay also, and there is a bit of modulation available. if you go from 5 sec to close to 0 sec it will mangle the sound and glitch it up, and it will do it to a pt from close to 0 sec if you go to 5 sec, i say close, it doesn't really stretch it like my old DOD D-12 would do (great for drones, etc), but is usable.
The thing i like about the zoom g2-is it does have 3 options of delay, so if you don't have a lot of gear, you can set 3 different delays and get some great whacky ambient things going-is it as good as the high end gear?-doubtable, but i've not played w/ that, so it's the low-cost alternative. i actually think the effects & amp models are better than the RP150s, and i think the auto wahs and ring mod are great. the thing the rp150 has over the g2 is a passive volume can be used to access volume swells, whammy effect, etc, where the zoom you have to use the zoom passive volume pedal. I really only use 2 settings on the zoom-like the clean sound, and the basic "santana" preset which models an early boogie amp (crunchy sound). but i occasionally like to use the extreme digital distortions-they have their purpose.

my setup is: guitar-rocktron silver dragon (tube preamp)-zoom g2-digitech rp150-boss dd20-out to either digital recorder or marshall 10 watt amp.

as for the boss dd20-i have my likes/dislikes about it. wish it would stretch the delayed source material better like my old DOD d12, it just kind of warbles it, occasionally i like the tape simulations -works better than using my old tascam 4track w/ the 20 sec loop tape, and when recording i like the ping pong delays, and occasionally use the reverse delay. but when using the standard setting, what you put in is what you get out, it stays pretty true.

I will also say that i like the easy/convenience of my setup vs. my old 4 -space rack of doom that had pedals before it (boy that was a space hog on my recording desk area), and when i want to plug in my new casio keyboard it works fine for that  also....about the only thing i really miss is having access to playing samples backwards like the 6 sec samples would do in reverse on the dod d12, but the dd20's reverse delay gives me a close feeling of it.
my 2 cents for the day....
s---
ps-i will also say that i've been recording some stuff again, after taking most of the yr off, and did a track that had both the boss dd20 & digitech rp150 going at the same time-and there was some interesting things you could do w/ both going at once....

Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-64947998-1197405735=:94171-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D89BA3BEDA; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3Qw5p5VUtpfqnRAGUgmUe6Nqz1cZkuQVrglekOa+c/A=; b=ULNoxX8NFlATukooeh4+3PmbRzFarBoNSmb0coZyqn5agSxG1Io35202NJNgaPMKZBB7e9sbYLdAHlRl7CcTRbunbTA5V4fSkZO6f3e5llHorZm5JD0u9LyMqPfS455FBsnIFXL+6NYmf8a6v4VMP53v4v1jD85rJaVu1/eqR2M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L7lhE9MzLLr1bMzgkoM2EpPudmmpOQgEddZ4Q+WYt2idS96ngzlaTWyGyqWvn7yxdbIPU9uS+mDva6kKpnv0UraRQ/WU9qBKlqUL7tbOw1uqe5b2cSqmvfWKa2oDDxlEzy80LKptMdmYn0wxnU/tKh5X/JQaFTgzyKGHp7HX/0A= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:42:50 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Portable field recorders (again) In-Reply-To: <991795.3246.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26195_1836622.1197405770160" References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <991795.3246.qm@web35102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:49:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26195_1836622.1197405770160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It seems that the new Microtrack II (black) is difficult to beat, since it's selling at the same price than the old models. raul. 2007/12/11, Paul Richards : > > That new Fostex unit (FR-2LE) looks very interesting - except it's about > $600.00. > Paul > *Kevin Cheli-Colando * wrote: > > I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was > any kind of clear favorite here. I looked through the archives and it seems > like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I > thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the > Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak. I'll most likely be > using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and > lightening and that sort of thing). > > Thanks > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_26195_1836622.1197405770160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline It seems that the new Microtrack II (black) is difficult to beat,
since it's selling at the same price than the old models.

raul.

2007/12/11, Paul Richards < paulrichard_rocks@yahoo.com>:
That new Fostex unit (FR-2LE) looks very interesting - except it's about $600.00.
Paul

Kevin Cheli-Colando <billowhead@gmail.com > wrote:
I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there was any kind of clear favorite here.  I looked through the archives and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak.  I'll most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing).

Thanks

Kevin

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_26195_1836622.1197405770160-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 20:52:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DB6F3BEDF; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:52:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 83641 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:52:15 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; bh=T0MZ3dPgqQzNlRfkrOCgSyeQvu8zMJ3WqpJxYjKPoJU=; b=pejHZqyp0DxXR0nB4EOYp8OB+Tu7oApBdOpxroZREqMV9jxDmbUON21YD6JVdGWjGNihPDk8Xeasx5Oltf92gX+UTYSfGEq6A8c4z9s7UMQ7mN4Y1+fOGeh0/pTr8UkXU2GtOgBUZDqyTksA1EA3zyyt/WaxiA7l1qx1wXKP+nE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=FDjj74PdylosO2HAVWaXibWg3/4iQca6mDEs611jg4PH2BW73GDs4qDxYnnRdUJcg/h36H34PzZUuCnSNKXVYdWprzT0Qr3HLvJry3qup369TS4TIdhDFBpkX0P7t8oj+akUgaO6+shwk3F/lDRALo8AOInZ4Y0wIyWct+p6V5E= Message-ID: <475EF87B.6000102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:52:11 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Micha=3F_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: DD-20 micro delays References: <003501c83c31$9e3f45f0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <003501c83c31$9e3f45f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030305030909070206040608" Resent-Message-ID: <_NUP0D.A.4EF._hvXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:52:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030305030909070206040608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Thanks, Michael for that interesting info on the DD20. I truly believe the > DD20 does a lot more than the people at Boss intended it to do ;). > > Well, I must say DD-20 is unbelievable good as a first hardware looper. Pity there is no DD-50 (or RC-50 based on 3x DD-20 ;-) > I also discovered the self-oscillation trick myself some time ago, however > your second discovery was news to me: > > >> [2] Vocoder/Ring Modulation >> It seems the delay acts like a filter bank amplifying all >> harmonics of a given frequency, which depends on the actual >> delay time. >> > > (...) > > It just came to me that somehow better description of it would be 'Comb filter with all harmonics'. --------------030305030909070206040608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: 
Thanks, Michael for that interesting info on the DD20. I truly believe the
DD20 does a lot more than the people at Boss intended it to do ;).
Well, I must say DD-20 is unbelievable good as a first hardware looper.
Pity there is no DD-50 (or RC-50 based on 3x DD-20 ;-) 
I also discovered the self-oscillation trick myself some time ago, however
your second discovery was news to me:
 
  
[2] Vocoder/Ring Modulation
It seems  the delay acts like a filter bank  amplifying all 
harmonics of a given frequency, which depends on the actual 
delay time.
    

(...)
It just came to me that somehow better description of it would be
'Comb filter with all harmonics'.

--------------030305030909070206040608-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 21:04:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EE293BEDE; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=m2sdIQLBL6fQVsx4/F9c2XcvUXwFiBadq3FSGJcvjok=; b=xTs5r72G4pkmIJ4xWN1y4oo2vw1AWJTM/2+go764iOfLvx1VhyqxbZm7JI6ySLg8PhaFSFuYIQG/E/oe39ofHOxnB0tFvWHws+E8HQQSHCJQiBWbZ+j16mRn/tfcGXieXH4wBORmy1Mh3256R/AeA0MaNyb6thuPCjiyoMsZ12w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=r4gY3mpXozlImmI0Iw1D7nLSRTThzK/y0QbjFBvR17hBYwk6y7UkgAiWwl5VO59iBDArpNZE0o8Hf10RgD/kWsangiUDt+P7lQ1H5rVFUgK6XRaUTdGjjDYvERKtIYz6r/+c2sKfyA1UrPSCswINyV2tZ6PSWHFlxSbT+DKHnIE= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:04:12 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? In-Reply-To: <6105.60674.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29791_22681645.1197407052525" References: <6105.60674.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:04:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29791_22681645.1197407052525 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *grin ... blame it all on Darrell Burgan (http://www.stillstream.com) and Andy Butler ... ~~ Dennis On 12/11/07, Stephen Scott wrote: > > Beware. This man uses 4 Vortexes (Vortices?) !!!! > > *Dennis Moser * wrote: > > My chain is as follows: > > Guitar (Acoustic/Electric/MIDI-out) => GR-20 => GR-20 Stereo Out =>Lexicon > Vortex #1 => Vortex #2 => Vortex #3 => Lexicon MP200 => Boss DD-20 GigaDelay > #1 => DD-20 #2 => Vortex #4 => Mixer => PA > > The loop is always wet. No, I take that back ... it's totally soaked. > > Dennis > > On Dec 10, 2007 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > > > Hi folks > > > > since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually > > chain your effects? > > > > I usually do it like this: > > Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA > > > > Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again. > > > > Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this: > > Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX (i.e. > > KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb) > > > > But in general: > > Where do you usually add effects? > > Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal? > > > > Best regards > > Buzap > > > > -- > > Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten > > Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser > > > > > > ------------------------------ > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it > now. > ------=_Part_29791_22681645.1197407052525 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline *grin ... blame it all on Darrell Burgan (http://www.stillstream.com) and Andy Butler ...

~~ Dennis

On 12/11/07, Stephen Scott <stevoj@yahoo.com> wrote:
Beware.  This man uses 4 Vortexes (Vortices?) !!!!


Dennis Moser < sinsofmachaut@gmail.com> wrote:
My chain is as follows:

Guitar (Acoustic/Electric/MIDI-out) => GR-20 => GR-20 Stereo Out =>Lexicon Vortex #1 => Vortex #2 => Vortex #3 => Lexicon MP200 => Boss DD-20 GigaDelay #1 => DD-20 #2 => Vortex #4 => Mixer => PA

The loop is always wet. No, I take that back ... it's totally soaked.

Dennis

On Dec 10, 2007 5:48 PM, Buzap Buzap < buzap@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi folks

since I've been discussing about effects lately: how do you actually chain your effects?

I usually do it like this:
Mic -> Mixer -> FX -> Mixer (Volume/Panning L/R) -> Looper -> PA

Rarely, I also send the Aux Outs of my RC-50 thru effects again.

Of course you could probably have a sophisticated setup like this:
Instrument -> i.e. Guitar FX pedals -> Looper -> additional FX ( i.e. KaossPad) --> on final mix some master fx (i.e. reverb)

But in general:
Where do you usually add effects?
Do you mostly loop your _dry_ or _wet_ signal?

Best regards
Buzap

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------=_Part_29791_22681645.1197407052525-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 21:41:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88A9B3BECC; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Portable field recorders (again) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:41:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83C3E.9FF0DAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:41:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83C3E.9FF0DAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the Edirol R-09 and it does its job well. The level = meters/display is backlit - much brighter and better than the R-01. The = built in mics are very good too, there's no limiter but there is an peak = LED for level setting. The weakness structurally, is the flimsy battery compartment that you = need to slide to access the card and the USB. Otherwise, I get great recordings on it from the built in mics, from my = Rode NT4 and from my desk. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando=20 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: OT: Portable field recorders (again) I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was wondering if there = was any kind of clear favorite here. I looked through the archives and = it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently available = but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative = merits of the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak. I'll = most likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so = much frogs and lightening and that sort of thing).=20 Thanks Kevin ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83C3E.9FF0DAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have the Edirol R-09 and it does its job well. The = level=20 meters/display is backlit - much brighter and better than the R-01. The = built in=20 mics are very good too, there's no limiter but there is an peak LED for = level=20 setting.
 
The weakness structurally, is the flimsy battery = compartment=20 that you need to slide to access the card and the USB.
 
Otherwise, I get great recordings on it from the = built in=20 mics, from my Rode NT4 and from my desk.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Kevin=20 Cheli-Colando
To: loopers-delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, = 2007 5:43=20 PM
Subject: OT: Portable field = recorders=20 (again)

I'm looking to pick up a field recorder and I was = wondering if=20 there was any kind of clear favorite here.  I looked through the = archives=20 and it seems like people are generally happy with what's currently = available=20 but I thought I'd ask if anyone had any new opinions on the relative = merits of=20 the Zoom H2 (or H4), Eiderol R-09, or M-Audio Microtrak.  I'll = most=20 likely be using this for live recording and vocal sketches (not so = much frogs=20 and lightening and that sort of thing).=20

Thanks

Kevin
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83C3E.9FF0DAA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:06:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 822903BEC2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:06:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 366 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:06:13 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=M4NWCTPjPGLnfmM1Bb880KMOFum1gGPdmdKRrcwFpjo=; b=Mj4srRCPj4QtCZ6gXVB3YqI4Z9TPrxsVN6oLRH6KgLcaWdW3rNICM7opVN/Q3NfwPZLwuW/jfdFtMWRyaF3lp5pGnhHJhSX5yhx4hQBtLjWpFejAlG52r3SllDTtsKuJXPv4SeFfstOq9/tSjqMY4l330r1Dm32Ps5OyGmHUo4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Jg/Pr3LNe4GPiSKtTATSUTy5dqWghKZfdESIq6yB4/Uh0R50eDNQR7Q+8MdabUoggmNeUJZqPdmjUPKEg2ZQGMUOeJyMxKn8QIsrknxPfsPBRdmeQGVzyC5Wi5fHwh7vs9P9GNZXxX5X5a8ZE8GTxpY95UiNpEa8KEFh/yZp9No= Message-ID: <46fea78d0712111400u29122a08raf8156712063da2a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:00:06 -0800 From: "David H" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31780_16894677.1197410406378" References: <6105.60674.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8RLeTC.A.fGF.WnwXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:06:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31780_16894677.1197410406378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is my chain: all hardware. That's my taste. Looks like it's pretty similar to Tony's set up, using the aux sends of the mixer to assign what goes to where and when. Acoustic/Electric Gtr. --> Korg AX10A --> Distortion --> Wah --> Flanger --> Volume --> DD5 Delay --> mixer --> aux out 1 --> 2 Lexicon JamMans --> mixer aux out 2 --> TC Helicon Quartet --> DD5 Delay (w/ Third Hand on delay time) --> mixer --> aux out 1 Aux 2 is primarily for vocals, but I'll sometimes run the guitar or the loops through it. So, I loop wet (sometimes dry) signals from guitar and only wet from the mic. Then, when I feel like it, dip the loops into an even wetter sound. Makes for some pretty awesome effects. D. ------=_Part_31780_16894677.1197410406378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Here is my chain: all hardware. That's my taste. Looks like it's pretty similar to Tony's set up, using the aux sends of the mixer to assign what goes to where and when.

Acoustic/Electric Gtr. --> Korg AX10A --> Distortion --> Wah --> Flanger --> Volume --> DD5 Delay --> mixer -->

aux out 1 --> 2 Lexicon JamMans --> mixer
aux out 2 --> TC Helicon Quartet --> DD5 Delay (w/ Third Hand on delay time) --> mixer --> aux out 1

Aux 2 is primarily for vocals, but I'll sometimes run the guitar or the loops through it. So, I loop wet (sometimes dry) signals from guitar and only wet from the mic. Then, when I feel like it, dip the loops into an even wetter sound. Makes for some pretty awesome effects.
D.


------=_Part_31780_16894677.1197410406378-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:16:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05EC83BED3; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=h+AsEzaRgDyoD78wNVzTqieTtNsgWAkf0H2rBW7fA4s=; b=xUxvpB3VQW/CAoltOEHkgCb8VCT71jRl1fdwdUIaHa6tCZHNTjRqRdvYgPf9Ei9L7EH+RTUPJ8geo5o8B85hWRLe9IpmqvdhpuG3SOmUNsjswPHehvF6YiLkzCm35CswoWDIZ1FWqvXt8Ik3lbe3ezEbMXWJQ0hC8EhjPMzBMqE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vXyvtmmJfjynJ0MXXdFa2r90OsmSOgVRODn2vSsX8ToFrpZOyNZWgccsPwkck84Wt/q7uZLzdn1bGV1LBSiAsvIGaxl9pC0Gcozwa5N2Pq5cLvqIZlBL/7Uf15d0N0PdIh5SXdc199TQbOfVjrGnHts8F9SUiMLKR210MneySTg= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:16:07 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? In-Reply-To: <46fea78d0712111400u29122a08raf8156712063da2a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6105.60674.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46fea78d0712111400u29122a08raf8156712063da2a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:16:08 +0000 (UTC) I'd really like to find a 16 (or so) channel mixer that has STEREO aux sends. It's really annoying that I've got a cool stereo signal that get summed to mono when sent to the loopers where I re-stereo-ize them. I have contemplated re-wiring everything, but it works so well like it is. Tony On Dec 11, 2007 5:00 PM, David H wrote: > Here is my chain: all hardware. That's my taste. Looks like it's pretty > similar to Tony's set up, using the aux sends of the mixer to assign what > goes to where and when. > > Acoustic/Electric Gtr. --> Korg AX10A --> Distortion --> Wah --> Flanger --> > Volume --> DD5 Delay --> mixer --> > > aux out 1 --> 2 Lexicon JamMans --> mixer > aux out 2 --> TC Helicon Quartet --> DD5 Delay (w/ Third Hand on delay time) > --> mixer --> aux out 1 > > Aux 2 is primarily for vocals, but I'll sometimes run the guitar or the > loops through it. So, I loop wet (sometimes dry) signals from guitar and > only wet from the mic. Then, when I feel like it, dip the loops into an even > wetter sound. Makes for some pretty awesome effects. > D. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:16:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEA073BEE2; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 316694.60205.bm@omp502.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=T1Rwz+rS+hDfxs/in1Yh/Of//tNkmECqbM2yawnZC265FL2XvvfNn+x3fDhunCIL5Sk6sNheeV8STS9yQ+v7McJ88CsGZjXyGiZmXfnM+NBLmcOzxKPSR/91m23hszrCTrH2JvzpQdJ3eGiVnLcPttalwCfJaPd3ntZbDPOczfk=; X-YMail-OSG: nLdAXJYVM1lQ05HzvpY2yZo3naRkX7sRzcX.J1JSBNp9AClzv8powXoZ4nki91J5NKMzp0qRe5ypCX_BrYR97PoJoHFZohkrcWE8Ai2WJtkcH0ufaW4- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:09:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9C143FAF-2CE1-4B51-B021-39C123759F33@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <67135.9635.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:16:18 +0000 (UTC) --- Chris Sewell mighta wrote: > >> Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes > anymore. Hmm, I've got some old live boots where he couldn't find 'em THEN. A circa '70 version of Immigrant Song (with a KILLER extended solo) comes to mind; Plant sounded vaguely bovine: Mooo-oooo-oooh! On the other hand, a couple of guys interviewed by BBC World Update last night/this morning who'd traveled to the show from Toronto and NYC opined that they'd never heard Percy sound better than last night... -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:21:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B25243BED9; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NNfLritlYTZ+GpX5QWmNrGemofqLCqPZ6k8bvQqqPi8=; b=KQ663T8SyLfrig+o70IGExjUiYMylDhgLFUBcMyQ67U5KEzJBZOJALKJ3lNab8iXI0rZmMoxo1jhuQKIvzGjppHWF4pJaA2gNDU5z9UHHOpkynxaN4+H1ivMOR8vca65ggZ3BvuSD0irtaOvq8OBOiVKEeeBIE15KauYJ+wqLvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fLb8wjzv5bkUFxitDQZqvttOl79nXG7Vn3yQ+KNBoJabGte5fgTnD/fx6fJw84NWGAr2YIHW3bFgOcQnLth+j6WLrYyjWvyv4O9oDXDEhdOQfeMdK63WOiKL0TijjH2vf8Iz4DKE08tmDYRyjCZgbkcsrzsHMG4RvTAbBGzEbi4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:21:18 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List In-Reply-To: <67135.9635.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9C143FAF-2CE1-4B51-B021-39C123759F33@mac.com> <67135.9635.qm@web45102.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:21:20 +0000 (UTC) Searching YouTube for "zeppelin o2" will get you several videos. Stairway, Black Dog, Kasmir, and a few more. Pagey mangles the solo in Stairway, but it's all about feel isn't it? ;) Tony On Dec 11, 2007 5:09 PM, Tim Nelson wrote: > > --- Chris Sewell mighta wrote: > > >> Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes > > anymore. > > Hmm, I've got some old live boots where he couldn't > find 'em THEN. A circa '70 version of Immigrant Song > (with a KILLER extended solo) comes to mind; Plant > sounded vaguely bovine: Mooo-oooo-oooh! > > On the other hand, a couple of guys interviewed by BBC > World Update last night/this morning who'd traveled to > the show from Toronto and NYC opined that they'd never > heard Percy sound better than last night... > > -t- > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:30:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2C673BEDB; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-61704207 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:30:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:30:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-61704207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I think I've told this story before. I'd just bought a bunch of new NEumanns for recording acoustic guitar (103s, KM184s)... plus the Sennheiser MKH 40. Mike Gillies, engineer for Metallica at their studio in the bay area was helping us record. I installed the K&K 3 way pickup with internal preamp in Hayley's Weber guitar. When Mike heard the pickup he said, "Wow! We don't need mic's!" Of course, I was devastated... but the pickup is the most real sounding pickup I've heard. Not cheap. And in my Collings it ALWAYS gets major wows from audience folks and sound men alike: http://www.kksound.com/powerblendtrinity.html I like Schatten pickups for banjo and resonator guitars: http://schattendesign.com/ Great Canadian company! In my Phillips resonator guitar, it is MOST FEROCIOUS! Haven't tried it in wooden guitars yet. Oil the beast richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816 www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-2-61704207 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII I think I've told this story before. I'd just bought a bunch of new NEumanns for recording acoustic guitar (103s, KM184s)... plus the Sennheiser MKH 40. Mike Gillies, engineer for Metallica at their studio in the bay area was helping us record. I installed the K&K 3 way pickup with internal preamp in Hayley's Weber guitar. When Mike heard the pickup he said, "Wow! We don't need mic's!" Of course, I was devastated... but the pickup is the most real sounding pickup I've heard. Not cheap. And in my Collings it ALWAYS gets major wows from audience folks and sound men alike: http://www.kksound.com/powerblendtrinity.html I like Schatten pickups for banjo and resonator guitars: http://schattendesign.com/ Great Canadian company! In my Phillips resonator guitar, it is MOST FEROCIOUS! Haven't tried it in wooden guitars yet. Oil the beast Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. 800.545.6846 250.752.4816C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com --Apple-Mail-2-61704207-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 22:38:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5C5D3BEDE; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ABZzNGkk/Us0PAjbl4f4FxExBYvikoSXdSReUg0AUmXmY4HgYZsPGJMqaDonUOr0; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <31481874.1197412707826.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:38:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd48aed29d5852bea884a0895c08cd71637f4e7a3108705b577b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.36 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:38:31 +0000 (UTC) speakin o' ledzep, i have friends who say that robertplant lost his gutteral, throatee vox after '69-as the boots from that time attest. and there was the story that the vocal mic went out at one of those early shows-and he just kept on blues shouting-probably lost a lung there, maybe. s -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Nelson >Sent: Dec 11, 2007 2:09 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List > > >--- Chris Sewell mighta wrote: >> >> Although, Plant can't seem to find those notes >> anymore. > >Hmm, I've got some old live boots where he couldn't >find 'em THEN. A circa '70 version of Immigrant Song >(with a KILLER extended solo) comes to mind; Plant >sounded vaguely bovine: Mooo-oooo-oooh! > >On the other hand, a couple of guys interviewed by BBC >World Update last night/this morning who'd traveled to >the show from Toronto and NYC opined that they'd never >heard Percy sound better than last night... > >-t- > > >http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes >http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson >http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:01:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF763BEDD; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YE6XvUJpo8dcEJNfPnn9zxYl32jGQhkcrOs3y9Gzb9hOk6SWbCR+CXvn821hWaBAwPi8RHxL6yfqoRp29fb/O7x7TzbFNn4x9y4tYgTW4zTxdIV0sDqTeu6rRV31pzGPxnyVVlHhtekTWmN4wUJN37rvvsaflLXIIUEwvJBpGx8=; X-YMail-OSG: F5mVs_IVM1kWFlE40c.qWhLnPytXyFtKx3yzsHGbZTjbF2TBYFL4cyZZq3cfZ5U8Zd5sS05Uxf5XNn97foH8oOeRJwUT4zigxmXCFuEibiSyKYb3giOxQGcCMwCcrQ-- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Zeppelin's Set List To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <422712.30309.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Oh man oh man brilliant,Page finally is looking really good with his white hair like the hermit! and as far as his dirty solos he always said "i dont deal with technique,i deal with emotions" wish i could have seen them! Luis --- Tony K wrote: > Searching YouTube for "zeppelin o2" will get you > several videos. > Stairway, Black Dog, Kasmir, and a few more. > > Pagey mangles the solo in Stairway, but it's all > about feel isn't it? ;) > > Tony > > On Dec 11, 2007 5:09 PM, Tim Nelson > wrote: > > > > --- Chris Sewell mighta wrote: > > > >> Although, Plant can't seem to find those > notes > > > anymore. > > > > Hmm, I've got some old live boots where he > couldn't > > find 'em THEN. A circa '70 version of Immigrant > Song > > (with a KILLER extended solo) comes to mind; Plant > > sounded vaguely bovine: Mooo-oooo-oooh! > > > > On the other hand, a couple of guys interviewed by > BBC > > World Update last night/this morning who'd > traveled to > > the show from Toronto and NYC opined that they'd > never > > heard Percy sound better than last night... > > > > -t- > > > > > > http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes > > http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson > > http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:06:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EF6C3BED6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=EjKjLSIrr7TdbXgOUM/hk9361DO+ZDcXISrHT+ODCbwogzrLhtBaDtqX5u5vvibO4u2aQje8ksmJLIUP5abdPRB9iFKnS0R7AXBlbNdphmfBImCLbhUj6+2hty/JqDdkmSCGdC6sduW9OhKr1W/pS59IBpaEp2OoPEHsGvJuo1o=; X-YMail-OSG: gkik5P8VM1mWmaSbgAYPPSVOjKXH4DxRpjhV3qbU Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:06:20 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: pedal alert empress tremolo To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <506298.478.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Is nice to see a company integrating digital functionality ideas into true bypass analog pedals.A wonderful job on a simple tremolo pedal,checkout the sound clips http://www.empresseffects.com/tremolo.php#soundclips could be very interesting for rhythmic looping! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 384A23BEE6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pRf4I3S1aaqna4nicbuDCkRRt/moVIBopkUD+ZCOkXA7mlGW3RqnVCig1SVByJChUCllDJwzR1Xx3TXigXIuzSUCSU0RC/xlyQWlN9id+IcxFObKaaZGDYNk45fnch54uB3/1irdHGMldZHqT6H2+wNl2Zj0q125P1oTVQ+hGVI=; X-YMail-OSG: eVpcWqsVM1m00MaaTp4FP6TdZqrLDRvE6i9JRM3yUunAkJU_.BJmgGa81LfOiR.ZdXVUjnvo7YkfJf1wVbw1XyDG4kqztI0Xb4HB9xI.xwREwl9z6Fw- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:36:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475EF626.4000704@unguitar.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <725168.26691.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7h6sgD.A.TmC.c8xXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Yes,another thing ive realized is that i still tend to spontaneously translate certain sentences in english into my mothers lenguage which can have a drastic difference in meaning like "work of art". On the other hand we are humans and everybody bites his tongue every once in a while trying to express something,its only human but i do hate the media blowing things out of proportion later to find out that i felt for it. Luis --- Luca Formentini wrote: > Hi Luis, > I had the same feeling when I first heard about it. > I don't know him but I know his older son very well: > he is one of the > most beautiful souls ( and musicians) I have had the > lucky to meet. > I think it was also because of this that I > immediately felt the need to > dig a little into his sentence to find how it > represented a great > opportunity for the scandalistic tribe of newsmakers > media ( in Italy > they seem to be the majority now). > > I think it was certainly put in a manner that could > offer its weak side > to bad thinkers and that was what it happened. > I am happy that other people have had the same > feeling and put some > deeper informations about it. > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > L.A. Angulo wrote: > > >I don´t know Luca,i was actually a bit shocked when > i > >heard his statement in the german news,now reading > >more about it,it seems that what he said was a bit > >exagerated but then again thats the job of the > >media.What bothers me about such event being > compared > >to art coming from such an artist is that great art > is > >beyond reality for the most part,but this event > was. > >Nothing to do with his music offcourse,and no doubt > of > >his genious,just a statement that can be easily > >misinterpreted. > >Luis > > > > > >--- Luca Formentini wrote: > > > > > > > >>Luis, > >>I think you have been putting this sentence in a > >>dangerous way. > >> > >>Stockhausen was indeed very conceptual and ironic > >>when he said that and > >>he payed a lot for this. > >>His mistake was not having create the right > context > >>in which this > >>sentence could have had the right interpretation. > >> > >>Most of the information world took this yummy > chance > >>to denounce a big > >>offense to the disaster that had been happening on > >>9/11. > >>But this has shown once again how the provocative > >>sentence by S. could > >>have some meaning. > >>Just watch the latest directions that sculpture > and > >>most of the visual > >>art has taken and you will notice that the twin > >>towers attack is using > >>the same violent language form that is inside many > >>offensive > >>"conceptual" work of art. The difference is in > being > >>real or a fiction. > >> > >>The problem stays in the in the value of the > concept > >>over the value of > >>human sensitivity. > >>Most of the art celebrated during the latest years > >>is a work of violence > >>towards our sensitivity. > >>Most of the information is using violence as an > >>opportunity to get a > >>massive audience. > >>So here come students that kill to be famous and > >>artists who sectionate > >>a cow to be hyperrealists. > >> > >>Stockhausen's sentence brought its result showing > >>the truth on the > >>surface of how people want to understand what they > >>would like to listen to. > >> > >>It would have been safer for me to tell you this > in > >>italian, to be sure > >>that there could be no misunderstandings. > >> > >>Anyway, we are the post Karlheinz Stockhausen era. > >>I think that he was the last of the most > >>revolutionary composers. > >> > >>This means we are no more in the post-modern era. > >> > >>Now it's you. > >> > >>Luca > >>www.unguitar.com > >> > >>Jeff Shirkey wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>On Dec 8, 2007, at 3:06 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>I saw one the last interviews he gave yesterday > >>>> > >>>> > >>and he > >> > >> > >>>>said the 9/11 incident is one fo the most > >>>> > >>>> > >>impressive > >> > >> > >>>>form of art hes ever seen... > >>>> > >>>> > >>>By "9/11 incident" did he mean the act of terror > >>> > >>> > >>itself? And, if so, > >> > >> > >>>he called that "art"? > >>> > >>>Jeff > >>> > >>> > >>>__________ Informazione NOD32 2711 (20071207) > >>> > >>> > >>__________ > >> > >> > >>>Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema > >>> > >>> > >>Antivirus NOD32 > >> > >> > >>>http://www.nod32.it > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > >www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Looking for last minute shopping deals? > >Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2716 (20071211) > __________ > > > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema > Antivirus NOD32 > >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:46:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA5813BEE1; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fOTQrqCjUcynmgnvDtxBWbzcq4+b9pdC96RJIVJ5Sn6Y6de4YbFFCi3lY2KWfPj2OynWbpf9QvWmjwdKBPwHOYRYqopbXAaA3ail4BlCS3XVPSuu7UNLpv2Jwtc0e/gN/WtDs46xaPcuSWgPV7EKq91yxFtpke6rC4Ek9WbJwzY=; X-YMail-OSG: 5iV2mXIVM1mWr3IPLgppcUlDAx.n6G_tDwz4.6JrYXplj3GM5Na5ar1pQWpzhPb4k3kdBkyFVyJmEjSLtRBk6HWw9F13q1.ZiJ.XnyI2Fi0CQacrfUk- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:46:30 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475EF440.9040202@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <308477.18323.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:46:31 +0000 (UTC) yes, but i am telling you to drum on the guitar it is excellent i saw a flamenco duo using them and i couldn´t believe the sound! i am surprised that there aren´t too many pickups out there for nylon strings for this purpose,although flamenco as well as latin music have always been very percussive styles.Another pair of wonderful transducers for the money are the Bellcats,it doesnt get any cheaper than that: http://www.hobgoblin.com/local/belcat.htm you just stick them inside of the guitar wherever you need them,ive heard other guitar players use them combined with Piezos and they sound awesome but you will need a preamp to boost their output. Cheers Luis --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Whoa...that Cromacord is a crazy bit of kit! I think > it would get in the > way for me, I've already written a few songs that > need a good bang right > in the curve, where this pre-amp would go, and I'm > not sure about the > straps either. But it's tempting as it seems made > for this > purpose..."resonance disc"?? > > That's cool to see that FRAP is still around (at > Trance Audio), I had no > idea. I'll have a look at them too, thanks Luis. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > well if you really want to turn your spanish > guitar > > into a drum,there is the cromacord pickup they > make > > here for that purpose: > > Ive heard it and it actually sounds really > nice,your > > whole guitar becomes a drum like a mic in front of > > you,but perhaps lacks the presence of a piezo: > > > > http://www.cromacord.com/english/start.html > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 11 23:58:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FD553BED8; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:58:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VJdXJgmQ3kDZYYJ4BtNjgMX5dxlS4Qi8uX1VQyX6GayqAFkmuXXjaU7Wll96GpWSxkYiFVfepmlCItUaqyQEv1Wa1EEd1Q6wtjwVhwd4PE0L5O9F5JMwD30VJPY+MSUhxMSFsHQuvKrAdCK8QnpZnglqzcjkdacnqnTpi2NG3ME=; X-YMail-OSG: MA0FwYUVM1mflw3uilxj5XWdlE_iNLRiJvtdskVugZawtxfwFCmsYKYFhdRQUSj1RQjCjO9NeNeVxPWnkg0PtgqOCNop8B9edLHdYij.RFZ37nJdTog- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:58:08 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stockhausen, R.I.P. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <475EDA74.3060003@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <82869.82561.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7XUdn.A.3SH.RQyXHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:58:10 +0000 (UTC) lol,thanx andy i was looking for that word nutters;-))) --- andy butler wrote: > Also nutters ;-) > Let's not forget that comment was withing a whole > lot of nonsense about, > of all things, archangels. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 01:15:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80A9A3BEEA; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_ca05fede-2503-4c9d-a1e8-697778cea2a7_" X-Originating-IP: [77.86.2.54] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:15:32 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2007 01:15:32.0254 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DA2D3E0:01C83C5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:15:33 +0000 (UTC) --_ca05fede-2503-4c9d-a1e8-697778cea2a7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another trying week another email to the list. =20 I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am asking other for,= however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge email,= but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and their problems and fe= el you may have new light to shed, please try contribute before I litterall= y run out of options. =20 I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise trouble = that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). =20 basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the po= wer cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on and can= be raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa system=20 =20 hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no diff= erance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change to the = hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i can record = a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted. =20 tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose th= e problem... =20 1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with echoplex3 = (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all= combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms from noisy echopl= ex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the roms and ram of echop= lex3 without any lowering or change of hum (therefore i can rule out ram an= d roms as culprits)=20 =20 2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echopl= ex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem wit= h echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice. I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and clean.res= eat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the problem?? =20 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY jac= k round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is constan= t across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously there is a= whining of the clock). =20 4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...t= hat is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its = a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same c= hannels and settings with my other echoplex's...the others are aways quiet.= ..echoplex2 is always noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as c= lean as a whistle on all units? =20 I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic uni= t type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the ec= hoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a produc= t it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal. =20 Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might = be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or forward this on= to them. =20 Love and Warm wishes =20 Phill MyOneManBand Wilson _________________________________________________________________ Who's friends with who and co-starred in what? http://www.searchgamesbox.com/celebrityseparation.shtml= --_ca05fede-2503-4c9d-a1e8-697778cea2a7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Another trying week another email to the list.
 
I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am  asking other= for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge e= mail, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and their problems a= nd feel you may have new light to shed, please try contribute before I litt= erally run out of options.
 
I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise trouble = that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three).
 
basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the po= wer cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on and can= be  raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa system
 
hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no diff= erance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change to the = hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i can record = a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted.
 
tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose th= e problem...
 
1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with echoplex3 = (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all= combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms from noisy echopl= ex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the roms and ram of echop= lex3 without any lowering or change of hum (therefore i can rule out ram an= d roms as culprits)
 
2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echopl= ex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem wit= h echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice.
I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and clean.res= eat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the problem??
 
3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY jac= k round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is constan= t across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously there is a= whining of the clock).
 
4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...t= hat is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its = a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same c= hannels and settings with my other echoplex's...the others are aways q= uiet...echoplex2 is always noisy...however in the practice amp things sound= as clean as a whistle on all units?
 
I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic uni= t type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the ec= hoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a produc= t it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal.
 
Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might = be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or forward this on= to them.
 

Love and Warm wishes
 
Phill MyOneManBand Wilson

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 03:07:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14A043BEEE; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:07:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-78319450 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:07:31 -0500 References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <0i6SfD.A.DMH.3B1XHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:07:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-78319450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, but the original post said he likes to bang his guitar. The K&K is similar to the Es on Taylors if I'm not mistaken. If you tap percussive sounds on Taylors with the ES, the floating transducers actually produce a clicking noise as they ricochet off the top of the guitar. Not sure if the K&K system is exactly like that, but I suspect they are. On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Richard Sales wrote: > I think I've told this story before. I'd just bought a bunch of new > NEumanns for recording acoustic guitar (103s, KM184s)... plus the > Sennheiser MKH 40. Mike Gillies, engineer for Metallica at their > studio in the bay area was helping us record. I installed the K&K 3 > way pickup with internal preamp in Hayley's Weber guitar. When Mike > heard the pickup he said, "Wow! We don't need mic's!" > > Of course, I was devastated... but the pickup is the most real > sounding pickup I've heard. Not cheap. And in my Collings it > ALWAYS gets major wows from audience folks and sound men alike: > > http://www.kksound.com/powerblendtrinity.html > > I like Schatten pickups for banjo and resonator guitars: > > http://schattendesign.com/ > > Great Canadian company! In my Phillips resonator guitar, it is MOST > FEROCIOUS! Haven't tried it in wooden guitars yet. > > Oil the beast > > richard sales > glassWing farm and studio > vancouver island, b.c. > 800.545.6846 > 250.752.4816 > www.glassWing.com > www.richardsales.com > www.hayleysales.com > > --Apple-Mail-2-78319450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, but the original post said = he likes to bang his guitar. The K&K is similar to the Es on Taylors = if I'm not mistaken. If you tap percussive sounds on Taylors with the = ES, the floating transducers actually produce a clicking noise as they = ricochet off the top of the guitar. Not sure if the K&K system is = exactly like that, but I suspect they are. 
On Dec 11, = 2007, at 5:30 PM, Richard Sales wrote:

I think = I've told this story before.  I'd just bought a bunch of new = NEumanns for recording acoustic guitar (103s, KM184s)... plus the = Sennheiser MKH 40.  Mike Gillies, engineer for Metallica at = their studio in the bay area was helping us record.  I = installed the K&K 3 way pickup with internal preamp in Hayley's = Weber guitar.  When Mike heard the pickup he said, = "Wow!  We don't need mic's!"

Of course, I was = devastated... but the pickup is the most real sounding pickup I've = heard.  Not cheap.  And in my Collings it ALWAYS = gets major wows from audience folks and sound men alike:

http://www.kksound.= com/powerblendtrinity.html

I like Schatten pickups for banjo = and resonator guitars:

http://schattendesign.com/

Great = Canadian company!  In my Phillips resonator guitar, it is MOST = FEROCIOUS! Haven't tried it in wooden guitars yet.

Oil the = beast

richard = sales
glassWing farm and studio
vancouver island, = b.c.
800.545.6846
250.752.4816 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:27:10 +0000 (UTC) hey phil, if you know a good tech. I have the schematics in pdf files. A few years ago I was having problems and had one of the electronic techs at the hospital where I work look at at my echoplex and he had it up and running two days later and about $15.00 worth of parts. let me know if you want them, I'll email them to you. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 05:01:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14DCC3BEC5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:01:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-37-85155665 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:27 -0300 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:01:38 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-37-85155665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit this looks like a ground loop kind of problem. as a first test, I would try without the mains ground connection. possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is one too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or spots where there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended. On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote: > Another trying week another email to the list. > > I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am asking > other for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a > super-huge email, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's > and their problems and feel you may have new light to shed, please > try contribute before I litterally run out of options. > > I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise > trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). > > basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment > the power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is > switched on and can be raised and lowered by adjusting the volume > of the pa system > > hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes > no differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no > change to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum > is fine, i can record a loop and the loop itself is clear and > undistorted. > > tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone > diagnose the problem... > > 1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with > echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, > i have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and > roms from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now > has the roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of > hum (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits) > > 2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off > echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a > noise problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice. > I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and > clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the > problem?? > > 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into > ANY jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the > hum is constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where > obviously there is a whining of the clock). > > 4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go > away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa > inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs > etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my other > echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always > noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a > whistle on all units? > > I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and > problematic unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement > to just how GOOD the echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when > it works..however as a product it appears that all echoplex's are > NOT created equal. > > Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who > might be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or > forward this onto them. > > > Love and Warm wishes > > Phill MyOneManBand Wilson > > Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search > Charades! --Apple-Mail-37-85155665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable this looks like a ground loop = kind of problem.
as a first test, I would try without the mains = ground connection.
possibly there is some internal ground = connection lacking or there is one too much. Look for screws that should = make contact with the PCB or spots where there is a contact with the = chassis which was not intended.


On 11 Dec 2007, = at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote:

Another trying week = another email to the list.
 
I am begining to feel guilty for = the amount of help i am  asking other for, however I dont know = where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge email, but please,if you = know anything about echoplex's and their problems and feel you may have = new light to shed, please try contribute before I litterally run out of = options.
 
I have just spent the whole night determined to = iron out the noise trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my = second of three).
 
basically it makes a huge amount of hum = all the time from the moment the power cord is plugged in. this noise = rises as the unit is switched on and can be  raised and lowered by = adjusting the volume of the pa system 
 
hower no = matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no = differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change = to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i = can record a loop and the loop itself is clear and = undistorted.
 
tonight I have made some more discoveries that = may help someone diagnose the problem...
 
1. i have had the = roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with echoplex3 (yes the one = that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all = combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms from noisy = echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the roms and ram = of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum (therefore i can rule = out ram and roms as culprits) 
 
2. I was = really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echoplex2 = and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem with = echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice.
I dont have the correct tools = to completly remove these chips and clean.reseat so this is still a = potential area that may harbour the problem??
 
3. I found = that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY jack round = the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is constant = across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously there is = a whining of the clock).
 
4. If i plug into my little = practice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...that is to say I can plug = echoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its a new one) , or into = other pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same channels and = settings with my other echoplex's...the others are aways = quiet...echoplex2 is always noisy...however in the practice amp things = sound as clean as a whistle on all units?
 
I don't think i = have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic unit type for so = long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the echoplex can = be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a product it = appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal.
 
Thanks = so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might be = able to shed light on this situation, please email me or forward this = onto them.
 

Love and Warm wishes
 
Phill = MyOneManBand Wilson

Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win = prizes with Search = Charades!

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================== From A Friend To a Friend From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 05:58:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8A303BEC5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:58:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: EDP docs Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:57:48 -0300 References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:58:28 +0000 (UTC) thank you, Phil! schematic and layout and test procedure are also avaliable here: http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/EDP_service_docs.zip I agree that any rep can do a lot with those docs. If he still does not manage to fix, its ok to contact me! On 12 Dec 2007, at 01:26, paul wrote: > hey phil, > > if you know a good tech. I have the schematics in pdf files. A few > years ago I was having problems and had one of the electronic techs > at the hospital where I work look at at my echoplex and he had it up > and running two days later and about $15.00 worth of parts. > > let me know if you want them, I'll email them to you. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 05:58:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CEB43BED2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:58:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <34DFABB6-5F01-4116-A22B-0FD763DBFECD@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: EDP docs Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:58:29 -0300 References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:58:46 +0000 (UTC) thank you, Paul! schematic and layout and test procedure are also avaliable here: http://matthias.grob.org/pEE/EDP_service_docs.zip I agree that any rep can do a lot with those docs. If he still does not manage to fix, its ok to contact me! On 12 Dec 2007, at 01:26, paul wrote: > hey phil, > > if you know a good tech. I have the schematics in pdf files. A few > years ago I was having problems and had one of the electronic techs > at the hospital where I work look at at my echoplex and he had it up > and running two days later and about $15.00 worth of parts. > > let me know if you want them, I'll email them to you. > > Paul Haslem > www.dulcify.ca > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 06:37:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 279AB3BEC7; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=pZgt9K0ENeZeh/peaoUj3EqWlqIdzlFvG6Qa2IkMWu4=; b=Ipwr0nKtffSnnjJO0klGWOFIrBUsPUA3uw+QsyVUUtsBaE97cMzoTg4+3JQYZF3OWSCONuilM2a8tAVeUvaDI9XA7REGMxDKU7W09iGepRJ18q6XPMq2k2nToG/ENyeOnNK46WZMYZYD1nsAj3CUTaJIHP9JPon5/b40Wo6kGKA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d0wl2LwIMNRi9Bv2B+XTXCYVHFt7Vj0m/3HdfZIRUDwRyURrO0GwF3C5NtQP3JgIM/Nt3TjoIWauAr+SSGWqpYr+XyJfoa9LzKPHMR+R+7NaODEnDM4UP3eQ0U8kxBTKiztW06JeTNo4z8VLXk+H84aLebQgI8ZSl/kaWBjxBxk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Portable field recorders (again) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:37:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:37:47 +0000 (UTC) On 12 dec 2007, at 02.47, Art Simon wrote: > I've got the Zoom H2 and I'm happy with it. I'm totally happy with Zoom H4 As portable field recorder that is. I think It's crap as "sound card", cumbersome as guitar pre amp and I have not bothered to test the four track recording "studio" options. The H4 gives a good stereo image by the built-in mics. Mine has well recorded such different ambience as my manual cappuccino brewer in action and a noise EAM band playing through a full blast PA - excellent results, thanks to the few coarse mic input levels to chose from. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 06:43:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4EF83BEB8; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:43:53 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:43:55 +0000 (UTC) > I'd really like to find a 16 (or so) channel mixer that has STEREO > aux sends. It's really annoying that I've got a cool stereo signal > that get summed to mono when sent to the loopers where I re-stereo-ize > them. That's why I use an Allen & Heath WZ3 14:4:2 mixer. On this model (and pr= obably others) you can configure the aux-sends of the stereo channels. I = copied the following text from the manual: Stereo/Mono aux source - The stereo channels can feed the auxes with a mo= no sum of L+R, or be configured so that L feeds the odd numbered auxes, a= nd R the even. This is preferred when using odd/even auxes as stereo pair= s. Factory default is the mono setting. Sjaak =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp:= //www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 08:53:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D79C3BEC5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:53:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 647001527-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.251.226 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KADswX0dPSvvi/2dsb2JhbACCJQSobg Message-ID: <475FA1AA.9000104@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:54:02 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Matthias Grob Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:53:58 +0000 (UTC) phillip wilson wrote: > Another trying week another email to the list. > > I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am asking other > for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge > email, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and their > problems and feel you may have new light to shed, please try contribute > before I litterally run out of options. > > I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise > trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). > > basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the > power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on > and can be raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa system > > hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no > differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change > to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i > can record a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted. > > tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose > the problem... > > 1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with > echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i > have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms > from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the > roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum > (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits) > > 2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off > echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise > problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice. > I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and > clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the > problem?? > > 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY > jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is > constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously > there is a whining of the clock). > > 4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go > away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa > inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs > etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my other > echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always > noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a whistle > on all units? > > I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic > unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD > the echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as > a product it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal. > > Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who > might be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or > forward this onto them. > > > Love and Warm wishes > > Phill MyOneManBand Wilson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Sounds like? 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:10:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA4023BEC1; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:10:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 647006380-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.251.226 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAL4zX0dPSvvi/2dsb2JhbACCJQSpDg Message-ID: <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:10:26 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable field recorders (again) References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:10:21 +0000 (UTC) hi Per, I read that there was tone recorded with low volume audio if it's used with batteries. That put me off from getting one. ...but if you can confirm this is not the case... thanks andy butler Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 dec 2007, at 02.47, Art Simon wrote: > >> I've got the Zoom H2 and I'm happy with it. > > > > I'm totally happy with Zoom H4 > > As portable field recorder that is. I think It's crap as "sound card", > cumbersome as guitar pre amp and I have not bothered to test the four > track recording "studio" options. > > The H4 gives a good stereo image by the built-in mics. Mine has well > recorded such different ambience as my manual cappuccino brewer in > action and a noise EAM band playing through a full blast PA - excellent > results, thanks to the few coarse mic input levels to chose from. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 09:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14B6D3BED3; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:24:59 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071212092459.176520@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6105.60674.qm@web53005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <46fea78d0712111400u29122a08raf8156712063da2a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19yrEEfBipyWEnw3xPuv0zp6U44T2kDXdsP7ekGKO r7YlJpocuZDD/BWKQF74nEM3oDEEUEFD0MNg== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GMX-UID: rNw6N5wlZCEEVsdhnm0hMkp4IGhpZcY6 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Hi Tony > I'd really like to find a 16 (or so) channel mixer that has STEREO > aux sends. It's really annoying that I've got a cool stereo signal > that get summed to mono when sent to the loopers where I re-stereo-ize > them. I have contemplated re-wiring everything, but it works so well > like it is. Yes, my basic problems with most mixers for looping is: - only mono Aux sends - (in small mixers) only post fader Aux sends I have a Mackie Onyx mixer at home that has a nice stereo Aux (Aux 3/4) button. It's also nice that you have a button instead of 1-2 knobs. For a small, compact setup, I've now bought myself a Soundcraft Compact 4 mixer. It's not comparable to a Mackie, but it is small and has nice stereo routing options. If you are looking for mixers for stereo looping, you might be well off looking at mixers designed with recording in mind. Best regards Buzap -- GMX FreeMail: 1 GB Postfach, 5 E-Mail-Adressen, 10 Free SMS. Alle Infos und kostenlose Anmeldung: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freemail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 10:13:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA5323BEB9; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=s5Ygu/inWD9syRT0PG9PBTcC3s6rYQHZPLxJlLmrgOA=; b=vx2TGHfAZLSvkER7/ckNDzH0MFPNoQEZaC3ewQRpIa41ZdoIDNm2I/50dSnhjq0j7XKfbdTHZwfn/URYqNxu8IY63YERz6B2Ek2+sndJqfAk607f/nrnD/L/sQtlvj/MP971doNx+DcjHj7Ppge00IVvcx1F3QZ5+2Ly6PD1NYM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tvepzQoC4hISHeTh8Cs9fdqk7QkfGb8EDgHXyUjJZQgy0q3oGnEOG771Mhc2CtxRU3C+akzozP3LboNGj8+TDmrvkhIpyPXp3GRvrOv64lf4owMzJLJrAlvs1S4nlI5NevLFsbdfAGn2FrIy+0iOsXDXHh88nqw4I/Tv9/qOKkE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Portable field recorders (again) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:13:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:13:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Andy, I read that article too. But I have not heard any such tone in recordings I've made with my H4. If you buy one in a music store you may certainly ask to do a check on it before making up your mind. Spend five minutes with the unit to put in batteries, record something and listen back to the recording using closed headphones. Then you should stay free from picking up a bad unit (as I expect that particular reviewer did). A big part of the cost saving when manufacturing such inexpensive gear is gained by cutting out on quality assurance ;-) I always run it on batteries. And I have recorded live audio to 128 mbps mp3, to 24 bit at 4100 Hz and to 24 bit at 96000 Hz. All fine! An interesting finding was that working at 96 kHz did not improve anything. Probably the built-in mics does not stretch into that territory and I didn't do enough digital processing to take advantage of the higher sample rate. So, 24/41k is my fav. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen On 12 dec 2007, at 10.10, andy butler wrote: > hi Per, > I read that there was tone recorded with low volume audio if it's > used with batteries. > That put me off from getting one. > ...but if you can confirm this is not the case... > > thanks > > andy butler > > Per Boysen wrote: >> On 12 dec 2007, at 02.47, Art Simon wrote: >>> I've got the Zoom H2 and I'm happy with it. >> I'm totally happy with Zoom H4 >> As portable field recorder that is. I think It's crap as "sound >> card", cumbersome as guitar pre amp and I have not bothered to >> test the four track recording "studio" options. >> The H4 gives a good stereo image by the built-in mics. Mine has >> well recorded such different ambience as my manual cappuccino >> brewer in action and a noise EAM band playing through a full blast >> PA - excellent results, thanks to the few coarse mic input levels >> to chose from. >> Greetings from Sweden >> Per Boysen >> www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 12:55:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A43C93BECC; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 639405059 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Portable field recorders (again) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72067A6140@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Portable field recorders (again) Thread-Index: Acg8vju1FCsLwoyKRLqtSPYTGfMf+A== References: <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Dec 2007 12:55:15.0635 (UTC) FILETIME=[3DAE6030:01C83CBE] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:55:22 +0000 (UTC) >>I've got the Zoom H2 and I'm happy with it.<< is that the tiny cheap one that records surround-sound with it's four built-in mics? gives you a choice of mp3 or wav for stereo, & can use either pair or all four in a pseudo-surround mode when making mp3, while genuine surround is wav only... nice machine. I've had mine for about two months, & have used it to make all of these variations, onto a 4GB card.=20 made a full four wav surround recording of a recent gig in a church in philly, filled the 4GB card....=20 it's great being able to adjust the "amount of church" in the stereo mixdown, & I'm looking forward to attempting a 5.1 version of same. I like it's little hat for outdoors too. but it feels so light & insubstantial.... battery life is reasonable..... I wish I could figure out how to summon the backlight without actually adjusting anything.... two counters- one for rec time & one for rec remain..... decent metering with overload indicator.... one tiny problem- even with careful adjustment of the record level, it's possible to overdrive the unit when making line-in recordings, because there's a pre-amp or something between the line-in socket & the level control VCA. that said, the mixer it was recording from is a behringer rackmount job (one of the new-ish ones, & pretty good at it's job) that has an extremely hot main output.=20 I don't use the USB connection, preferring to take the card out & stick it straight into an adaptor & thence the mac. the files open in i-tunes & can be renamed, burned to disc, whatever. there's surprisingly little handling noise, given the plasticky construction, & there's a three-setting hardware sensitivity switch for the built-in mics. I have made recordings from the "loudspeaker" in a cellphone, holding the two gadgets about 18" apart; only the left channel of the zoom seems to be affected by the familiar cellphone digital chatter. I think the Faraday cage affair around the mics is better grounded at one side, maybe. the capsules themselves are standard issue- what do you want for this price? :-) very impressed, overall, at this price-point. we have come a long way from the sony WM-R2...... (their first recording walkman, & yes, I have one!) duncan. 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I've to say that Daryl has deeply caught the "spirit" of my music. Your descriptions and comments are really appropriate and let me think that you have listen to it in the "right moments" of your day (....or, better, night). Thank you very much to you all ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daryl Shawn" To: Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 5:52 PM Subject: Review of Fabio Anile's "Liquid Days" > I've posted a review of Fabio's "Liquid Days" here: > > http://www.swanwelder.com/mutereactionary/Fabio_Anile.htm > > Next I plan to review the CT Collective "Papermusic" project, which has > been long pending. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 14:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06DCE3BEB9; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6C1D9C5D-97DC-4560-9F15-799043B7FA4E@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: H4 tone w/baterries(Re: Portable field recorders (again) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:51:45 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_9vNOC.A.YNH.LT_XHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Haven't found that to be the case. - Paul << http://www.pmguitar.com >> << http://www.myspace.com/pmimlitsch >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 2:10 AM, andy butler wrote: > I read that there was tone recorded with low volume audio if it's > used with batteries. > That put me off from getting one. > ...but if you can confirm this is not the case... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:23:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65C883BED2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=JAdvK8ZDbQDsf+zQCMVHasNTOkW0g1tnbXXHdgC7YHY=; b=kQjID4w2ymFhD8Y9E9SyToRCLsz0w8CQHSrHcpaKrUi4t5wDcLnuPRAfiuL0fV4vo3wZgCdTFOGy7EXTwbQ3AqizbiQrbSHnfuaUCs/fn2h3vjnZIY/WafXLd2yv+PGD8ji1+VfAmxdEiU0+J6W5aivQxme3AJPKm4lgX6jFFIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vxj8huzquIE1zXyS3Nt1hiPvluo5T+yEyjoI3DpqiV+2XgTc9uvHjVH4u/FHWNGfx+Yz3CX/IgIvYbijrq5/Kk9qpvvgb9ImPHidhpQZblUxy2omH4huOIILxKJdEadAyna+VzqZR26LjEUxLY8XEnfwSYDhL8L3kJmeEX2CLBs= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:55:26 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Portable field recorders (again) In-Reply-To: <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <37f071c00712110943m11afcff8r78906b1e9d51bd34@mail.gmail.com> <000d01c83c3e$a03388f0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <588ce11d0712111747y58e05bb5t7e6ce5a9c3714a1c@mail.gmail.com> <705544AE-64FE-4B0D-9B2D-1694398BE630@gmail.com> <475FA582.5050405@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: <4FR3b.A.7d.tz_XHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:25 +0000 (UTC) Never noticed that, and I almost use mine with batteries. On Dec 12, 2007 1:10 AM, andy butler wrote: > hi Per, > I read that there was tone recorded with low volume audio if it's used with batteries. > That put me off from getting one. > ...but if you can confirm this is not the case... > > thanks From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DD863BECD; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=gamLOZ9LhbWzNu5za/vOiZ9T1tl1MROzg0gFdIB83ZD6dmET23aV1hcD8foon+ngXCTNnVUEkx7O+45QR+FhgxFg8SpZs/K3jvRev7Am7pmddAtIVMEwET838l8K6T+RDFXGz3A1hdxKB+LXKnCQsdLKW7/YOrCucz9CQJLIe7Q= ; X-YMail-OSG: FV1XGHkVM1lK65crZ6gRLoO3WzEkqN_ykXo6DYEFgbsEIbjDwTeEqKDCQl0TGX9XbRZu0KRr0Q-- Message-ID: <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:35:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071211-0, 11/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for the first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibson (black) models? Thanks very much for your help! Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 15:58:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 14FBD3BEC5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:58:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 11281 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:58:53 UTC X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1197463462-13258-138-0 X-Barracuda-URL: http://10.3.1.19:8000/cgi-bin/mark.cgi Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <506298.478.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506298.478.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:44:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: pedal alert empress tremolo Subject: Re: pedal alert empress tremolo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at stayonline.net X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=4.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.02, rules version 3.0.61691 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:58:53 +0000 (UTC) At 3:06 PM -0800 12/11/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >http://www.empresseffects.com/tremolo.php#soundclips > >could be very interesting for rhythmic looping! >Luis Similarly, check out the Lightfoot Labs Goatkeeper: http://www.lightfootlabs.com/ Not only does it allow you to step sequence four different tremolo rates, but five of the tremolo waveforms are completely user-defined. Although the Goatkeeper looks like it's currently undergoing a redesign. I can't figure out what he's changing significantly, though. And the little ModFX tremolo units are pretty good for setting up polyrhythms too, by combining the tremolo with the autopan in mono (kudos to Rick for turning me on to that trick). --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 16:40:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ABC93BEC2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:40:35 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19rwbR8/vhrfRzf290MDwvt5WoCC+HG60c4SUeh49 I/UHAGhfjxoocpwIsimE1Vo38BbYUGMI+Xrw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: MTZYcvMcbmwoSttpkzZLg61PUzc4chG7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Hi Scott thanks for your detailed comments on the Zoom G2 (+ comparison). I usually don't change the delay much, rather, I tap it first and use it. (unless I do some very weird extremely short delays - but then, it doesn't matter either). I also love the "Santana" patch -really great :-) I think it's Mesa Boogie amp simulation. I think quality-wise - my very subjective opinion - I would rate the Zoom G2 fx like this: - modulation effects, wah: great :-) - Amp Simulations: really good - delay: work very good (but not for a loop artist maybe ;-) - pitch shifting: quite useable (but not comparable to real vocal racks) - Reverb/Hall: they sound ok. - EQ/compression: not really exciting. Overall, the Zoom has a professional/sturdy "feel" and good useability to it. This is actually a problem I have with the Digitech. Sometimes I'm reminded a bit of Behringer, and I don't know what quality level to expect. But I could be wrong, of course... Buzap -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 16:50:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F25FA3BED9; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICW+8Dn From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: pedal alert empress tremolo Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:51:32 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c83cdf$3fa216e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acg81+Uj0dlZ9SJpRIaJnO3Hc5j3BQABsMuA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <8CBsnD.A.nnD.vFBYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:50:55 +0000 (UTC) > >http://www.empresseffects.com/tremolo.php#soundclips > Similarly, check out the Lightfoot Labs Goatkeeper: > http://www.lightfootlabs.com/ Now, when you're talking about tricky tremolo stomps, a look at those might be in order: http://www.zvex.com/trem.html and http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html Anyone has experience with these? Now, if you consider that some of these cost above 200 bucks, you may as well get a used nord micromodular, put it in a stompbox-type case and program your tremolo yourself... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:01:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 434113BED2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:01:37 -0500 References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:01:47 +0000 (UTC) Just stay away form the Zoom A2. A truly rotten piece of gear. It =20 makes any good acoustic sound like crap. Zoom doesn't do acoustic =20 well, but they probably do better at electric sounds I'm guessing. At =20= least I hope. On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Scott > > thanks for your detailed comments on the Zoom G2 (+ comparison). > I usually don't change the delay much, rather, I tap it first and =20 > use it. (unless I do some very weird extremely short delays - but =20 > then, it doesn't matter either). > > I also love the "Santana" patch -really great :-) I think it's Mesa =20= > Boogie amp simulation. > I think quality-wise - my very subjective opinion - I would rate the =20= > Zoom G2 fx like this: > - modulation effects, wah: great :-) > - Amp Simulations: really good > - delay: work very good (but not for a loop artist maybe ;-) > - pitch shifting: quite useable (but not comparable to real vocal =20 > racks) > - Reverb/Hall: they sound ok. > - EQ/compression: not really exciting. > > Overall, the Zoom has a professional/sturdy "feel" and good =20 > useability to it. > This is actually a problem I have with the Digitech. Sometimes I'm =20 > reminded a bit of Behringer, and I don't know what quality level to =20= > expect. > But I could be wrong, of course... > > Buzap > > > --=20 > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:11:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 445123BEE6; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:11:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Guitar Rig 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:11:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:11:13 +0000 (UTC) I just downloaded the new Guitar Rig 3 last night. I have yet to really put it through its paces, but it seems like a huge improvement. Granted I am using a much faster computer, but it seems to be much quieter with less strange artifacts. The patch switching is definitely faster and smoother. The new Tape echo is AWESOME. Cant emphasize that enough. I forgot how good the Chorus Ensemble sounds. Very thick and punchy but still really beautiful. Any laptoppers looking for an absolute shitload of really high quality effects, check it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:24:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C0D13BEF3; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=G0jpX6ulAn6o5y/prKD7TpUQLoEjtkUze/Tvi4J4JgA=; b=iGsPgBdaCMnI4DmMK8/uOyyjp+QqzqXAq1SReZ5Ap+T3xGIS2sRQD8Qk8MYUwOWTi4DOUtlLxPORzm/MfdATljMW0FqqKwllMNHnL0ji1GONdWAJUqPfcigEf20tvgWZU8N0J0d0BD2oBZzPd8yGVYzuuhaKW9LhD45fmaFZ5ZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QnMXt+NofydxP029ScCEcryI6nynusEpw9ASzEoU9HLL3isOWHqZIRhc1F5vPneHUNET/gZ3UUb4IbvVnc06UuEkkN2wtzJJnq91wQcjG5GV+3U0DHdCshlsLM5iZAIrlijaFza6bkmCKf8lgQ0fXHEXU80c18+NbWQnS1U2l54= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:18:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:24:51 +0000 (UTC) On 12 dec 2007, at 18.11, Chris Sewell wrote: > I just downloaded the new Guitar Rig 3 last night. I have yet to > really put it through its paces, but it seems like a huge > improvement. Granted I am using a much faster computer, but it > seems to be much quieter with less strange artifacts. The patch > switching is definitely faster and smoother. > The new Tape echo is AWESOME. Cant emphasize that enough. I forgot > how good the Chorus Ensemble sounds. Very thick and punchy but > still really beautiful. > Any laptoppers looking for an absolute shitload of really high > quality effects, check it out. Interesting! How about the sound? Does it color the tone in a similar way as GR2, or has that changed? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 17:29:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BDB593BEF8; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:29:45 -0500 References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <-x-dyB.A.9MF.OqBYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Its hard to say, but it absolutely sounds better. On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 dec 2007, at 18.11, Chris Sewell wrote: > >> I just downloaded the new Guitar Rig 3 last night. I have yet to >> really put it through its paces, but it seems like a huge >> improvement. Granted I am using a much faster computer, but it >> seems to be much quieter with less strange artifacts. The patch >> switching is definitely faster and smoother. >> The new Tape echo is AWESOME. Cant emphasize that enough. I forgot >> how good the Chorus Ensemble sounds. Very thick and punchy but >> still really beautiful. >> Any laptoppers looking for an absolute shitload of really high >> quality effects, check it out. > > > Interesting! How about the sound? Does it color the tone in a > similar way as GR2, or has that changed? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 18:11:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 867AE3BEE1; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:11:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005401c83cea$8a092c90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:12:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+r7V9rUSb84UCUMA2vLbH5RNxPTWvg/UtzONp ZxUQG8RGOaqAHvW1WEvErmSOO80AA2LAxVRGn2Fc4g3t2tjZsX znrOEH4HXwq58FqYL4YC2IhutqRsPNZ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:11:18 +0000 (UTC) try to automate the whammy pitch with a footpedal and make fast movements - i pray for you that the rig won't stutter, build strange delays and crackle... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Guitar Rig 3 >I just downloaded the new Guitar Rig 3 last night. I have yet to really >put it through its paces, but it seems like a huge improvement. Granted I >am using a much faster computer, but it seems to be much quieter with less >strange artifacts. The patch switching is definitely faster and smoother. > The new Tape echo is AWESOME. Cant emphasize that enough. I forgot how > good the Chorus Ensemble sounds. Very thick and punchy but still really > beautiful. > Any laptoppers looking for an absolute shitload of really high quality > effects, check it out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:09:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 857CF3BEE0; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vZpIH/zmTEfpnUi+gSMuJY0aEqI2qMfRnZbTb1ye0UA=; b=mpa+HOmtK+dIf/YDIdvAaXRt6s9oO+KsTwKr2uZVSYUQdwmNq0lLGURSvlNt1V6wIRMRBgXfHDQmqpZJK7fjf6W6MwMcqOQvVrvm2tbXNPEKjN6QR4jL6cmdjtAHO+9rCwyRMjP29gAXq84UdyIaP+7mJ4FTfGurlDbNtk8KOjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dq07zGNNzHuDo1oai7UosXwOicLykoxqkEy9Iqj6IHPvE0aSc0E9Sf7yxBuLHSO/RIhwxEk1LIQZr8vQ8U8eUmYSit8KEPVxE0Jw4F/ZN2Avt/rkI4dY5xRTud7rL4gH0w1bQxiRL6zps2PXVXbHm4wH07wOWukdM1VKCjcMxXI= In-Reply-To: <005401c83cea$8a092c90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> <005401c83cea$8a092c90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5F2FF6FD-0D59-4A87-9B6F-35976C733225@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:08:50 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:09:05 +0000 (UTC) On 12 dec 2007, at 19.12, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > try to automate the whammy pitch with a footpedal and make fast > movements - > i pray for you that the rig won't stutter, build strange delays and > crackle... Also manually playing the wha-wha filter this way caused zipper noise in GR2. I used the workaround to auto-bind the wha-wha filter to the input level envelope follower. But it would have been cool if possible to play it manually (or by foot from a MIDI expression pedal) without the zipper noise. Curious for reports on how this goes with the GR3... Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:16:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CDF13BEDF; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <001601c83887$464f4640$60041718@gwdesk> <4758CEE3.7070805@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-130407251 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: OT - acoustic pickups, etc Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:35:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:16:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-130407251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Could be! I don't beat my guitars. I'll try it. First I gotta find the right kind of t shirt. :} (The K&K transducers are normal under saddle, (three) fastened inside=20 guitar under the bridge and a mic which floats) richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 11-Dec-07, at 7:07 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Yes, but the original post said he likes to bang his guitar. The K&K=20= > is similar to the Es on Taylors if I'm not mistaken. If you tap=20 > percussive sounds on Taylors with the ES, the floating transducers=20 > actually produce a clicking noise as they ricochet off the top of the=20= > guitar. Not sure if the K&K system is exactly like that, but I suspect=20= > they are.=A0 > --Apple-Mail-7-130407251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Could be! I don't beat my guitars. I'll try it. =20 First I gotta find the right kind of t shirt. :} (The K&K transducers are normal under saddle, (three) fastened inside guitar under the bridge and a mic which floats) Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com On 11-Dec-07, at 7:07 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: Yes, but the original post said he likes to bang his guitar. The K&K is similar to the Es on Taylors if I'm not mistaken. If you tap percussive sounds on Taylors with the ES, the floating transducers actually produce a clicking noise as they ricochet off the top of the guitar. Not sure if the K&K system is exactly like that, but I suspect they are.=A0 = --Apple-Mail-7-130407251-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 19:22:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A2BA3BEE0; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:22:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1727 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:22:33 UTC From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:53:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: forum going well Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <47602E37.14092.1D54BA6@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:22:34 +0000 (UTC) a quick note to remind anyone with time & energy that there's a looping forum here http://loopingmusic.proboards99.com 46 members 170 posts so far. Membership by approval just to help keep spammers out. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:05:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C231D3BEE2; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47603F11.3020107@gordius.be> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:05:37 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> <005401c83cea$8a092c90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <5F2FF6FD-0D59-4A87-9B6F-35976C733225@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5F2FF6FD-0D59-4A87-9B6F-35976C733225@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:05:40 +0000 (UTC) I received reports from a GR2 user about unexpected (faulty) behavior when sending different consecutive MIDI commands (PC + CCs) to GR2 shorty after each other. The same problem was still there after upgrade to GR3. I adapted the design of our MIDI controller to allow inserting a programmable delay between each message being sent. After inserting a delay of about 150 ms(!) the problem vanished. So it looks like GuitarRig has difficulties processing continuous MIDI streams. (although I realize this problem and the issues mentioned below might be unrelated) grtz, Xavier http://www.gordius.be Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 dec 2007, at 19.12, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> try to automate the whammy pitch with a footpedal and make fast >> movements - >> i pray for you that the rig won't stutter, build strange delays and >> crackle... > > > Also manually playing the wha-wha filter this way caused zipper noise > in GR2. I used the workaround to auto-bind the wha-wha filter to the > input level envelope follower. But it would have been cool if possible > to play it manually (or by foot from a MIDI expression pedal) without > the zipper noise. Curious for reports on how this goes with the GR3... > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 20:23:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73F543BED8; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <17C78711-3EEC-4932-ACED-40A8489B2798@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5F2FF6FD-0D59-4A87-9B6F-35976C733225@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Guitar Rig 3 X-Priority: 3 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:23:18 -0500 References: <3F88B878-32C5-4F33-A971-2E83A547F15A@mac.com> <005401c83cea$8a092c90$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <5F2FF6FD-0D59-4A87-9B6F-35976C733225@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:23:42 +0000 (UTC) I know that is gone. The new wha sounds great. On Dec 12, 2007, at 2:08 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 12 dec 2007, at 19.12, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> try to automate the whammy pitch with a footpedal and make fast >> movements - >> i pray for you that the rig won't stutter, build strange delays and >> crackle... > > > Also manually playing the wha-wha filter this way caused zipper > noise in GR2. I used the workaround to auto-bind the wha-wha filter > to the input level envelope follower. But it would have been cool if > possible to play it manually (or by foot from a MIDI expression > pedal) without the zipper noise. Curious for reports on how this > goes with the GR3... > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 12 23:24:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 092EE3BEDD; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:24:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I'm sure you're right about the A2(&2.1U) not doing acoustic guitar well. However for me, as a flute player, I've found that the A2.1U's EQ, though not objectively great, has served my purposes well enough. And when it also gives me a reasonable chorus + the volume pedal, it gives me what I'd otherwise need to use 3 pedals for. I don't like the delays and prefer the DL4 and now my tc Nova Delay. But, it's good to have a (cheap) multi FX pedal that doesn't concentrate on distortion/overdrive & amp simulators. Incidentally, I'm just about to have the tc/Hellicon VoiceTone Create delivered, but think I'll still need some EQ to get rid of unwanted lower & v high frequencies to give me more isolation from other instruments onstage, but I think I'll keep the A2.1U for the EQ and volume pedal muting the fx I don't need. Any other looping flute players who use quite a lot of effects (chorus/flanging, pitch shifting, delays, reverb, looping) out there? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Sewell" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:01 PM Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 Just stay away form the Zoom A2. A truly rotten piece of gear. It makes any good acoustic sound like crap. Zoom doesn't do acoustic well, but they probably do better at electric sounds I'm guessing. At least I hope. On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > Hi Scott > > thanks for your detailed comments on the Zoom G2 (+ comparison). > I usually don't change the delay much, rather, I tap it first and use it. > (unless I do some very weird extremely short delays - but then, it > doesn't matter either). > > I also love the "Santana" patch -really great :-) I think it's Mesa > Boogie amp simulation. > I think quality-wise - my very subjective opinion - I would rate the Zoom > G2 fx like this: > - modulation effects, wah: great :-) > - Amp Simulations: really good > - delay: work very good (but not for a loop artist maybe ;-) > - pitch shifting: quite useable (but not comparable to real vocal racks) > - Reverb/Hall: they sound ok. > - EQ/compression: not really exciting. > > Overall, the Zoom has a professional/sturdy "feel" and good useability to > it. > This is actually a problem I have with the Digitech. Sometimes I'm > reminded a bit of Behringer, and I don't know what quality level to > expect. > But I could be wrong, of course... > > Buzap > > > -- > Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehört? > Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 00:31:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709823BEDE; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=iLTDCYTuhteW3bbGLgQBqU2gsQyy9pvjrsQk/Pkm/MLUlKBRNogF4XfZHaYgx3V3KgU33Bvna1/0A7smM/V48atLht6wjkTekh+in2EfzXjJto8glfrxNLCId3ihqZOWEoaZo1M+pkicIjLwKAo8siCFBinC6EC7jEJa5oGaSWY=; X-YMail-OSG: 62eXHXkVM1nrdFFmcOBGkK3fMmrQ0j0pacQQL2.OlvitJazD2TBurCfSoba0Zqd4SJr9Hu2ZPeNYiYTh_gcOE4.SaeYFKjbZMw4_sgrFPfVAGRdQbtY- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:31:13 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: pedal alert empress tremolo To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000301c83cdf$3fa216e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <906413.52950.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <96KJbC.A.vqD.T1HYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:31:15 +0000 (UTC) Hey Thanx for the eye opener! nice,although the zvex tremorama doesnt seem as accurate and a bit more limited compared but i would have to see them both in full action. Cheers Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > >http://www.empresseffects.com/tremolo.php#soundclips > > Similarly, check out the Lightfoot Labs > Goatkeeper: > > http://www.lightfootlabs.com/ > > Now, when you're talking about tricky tremolo > stomps, a look at those might > be in order: > http://www.zvex.com/trem.html > and > http://www.zvex.com/tremorama.html > > Anyone has experience with these? > > Now, if you consider that some of these cost above > 200 bucks, you may as > well get a used nord micromodular, put it in a > stompbox-type case and > program your tremolo yourself... > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 00:37:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8074E3BEDF; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47607EA8.6030803@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:36:56 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: e t e r o g e n e o , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Review of Fabio Anile's "Liquid Days" References: <47597A5B.60802@mhorse.com> <023101c83cc3$2a46a020$4001a8c0@pcfabio> In-Reply-To: <023101c83cc3$2a46a020$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:37:22 +0000 (UTC) Fabio, I'm glad you felt it was an accurate review, that's nice to hear. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 09:09:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1DE03BEDF; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=kV3jFVb3alJLb8tC8FlDjCgO30NKpKEi5H6YKzyODC4=; b=lH9AkqdsAXB9k3ZxkVLD8d3J6h/MtWdqs7uDqJAIxcO8MXgUyqrIPxfp0j0/AoCpQlIgf11QfDA98mYYwzu9mjLP9rDmKNKMIzmji4uMlqY8xV4zgMZzDQhJp0j31KitqBeR3kVhJW7cLGadGcf9RzQJfv/aVFRGz5LxjOyq1Bs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=fv6mIdpXFisYXubuUVDoFTpq7SfXNad0+3SgI2yRD63SxDfZrfVsSZzEYkHyhdtSSOTl/WNmhkwlyNC6i6r+AUeeQsYahdcwiEk8fNouo7dt8rH2DmwCyoN2lGn1WeVusaJKmKWfsHRPrQnpCxUUVLXT5ulbxYYJe9URpSnNpcA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5BC4A3C2-647C-49AC-A8A3-FE025C0A5FFA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:09:37 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:09:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I've been dissatisfied with YouTube because the audio of posted videos is crushed into mono. So today I was delighted to notice that iLike now supports stereo audio in posted video. So I posted part 3 of my Cell Phone Movie from YK7 as a an iCast at my iLike page. Check it out at www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen and feel free to hook up as "friend", "fan" or whatever. I think you do that by clicking the "iLiked's" button at upper right corner? To me the iLike system seems better than the lately popular FaceBook. I just like to enjoy peoples music and videos in stereo and not being terrorized by all this "social networking spam" associated with FaceBook. If you start an iLike page you will get two: one artist page and one personal page. The personal page may be set to share its "friends" database with your traditional FaceBook page, if you have one. I think it's a good thing to keep the aritst's promotional networking tool aside from the private networking system. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From debbybaird@emailyahoo.com Thu Dec 13 09:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 889 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:36:25 UTC Received: from web6.webcoretech.com (web6.webcoretech.com [207.195.227.125]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 437863BEEC; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [217.118.0.121] by web6.webcoretech.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.15) id A8D01CE800CE; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:18:08 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Debby Baird" Subject: Hello from Debby! Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10.18.22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20071213031878.SM03616@User> To: undisclosed-recipients:; Hello, How are you doing today?... ...But now I want to ask you something because I hate being betray respect the fact we just met each other and not knowing much about each other but I believe that you will not hurt my feelings I have about you because my Spirit tells me that you are for real and you will make me a happy woman like my mates out there besides I do not want to you to take this chance and cheat on me please I need your words of love and honest towards this okay? I think I should open up to you! I'm feeling reluctant to talk about myself I’m in West London England right now, and my situation to you because I don't know how you will feel. But I will like to let you know all about me and the situation I am into now so that it will not be too late before I let you know. I have had a lot of bad experience in my previous relationships, and I do not want to fall into the same problem anymore, I will like you to give me your words that you are really interested in me and that you want to make a new life with me, because I have been gamed before and I wouldn't want to be gamed or played on again in my life. I am telling you all this, then you can decide if you still want to meet me or not, so that we will not waste each other' time, when you get this mail, kindly give me a response to let me know if you are still interested or not. I've been Single for 2years now. ilost my parents some years back. I'm the only daughter, the only kid of my folks. My dad is from Pennsylvania, Lititz, USA and my mom is a native of England United Kingdom. My Ex) Boyfriend, David Gray gamed me a lot and treated me so bad in our relationship, he absconded with my dad's money which was kept with me after a completion of a contract in EAST london,UK. When my boy friend got absconded with the undisclosed sum of US dollars, this brought the first broke up between me and my dad, because he thought we had the deal together, but not knowing that I'm innocent about this. So my dad has been harsh and tough against me about this. After all these happened to me and caused by my Ex Boyfriend, I joined a dating site(www.myspace.com) where I met an England guy online there who promised heaven and earth that he wants to marry me and make me happy in life; "I never knew I was going from Fry-pan to Fire". The London man told me of investment opportunities in England. Because I told him everything about myself and my family Backgrounds and he convinced me to come along with lots of money when coming, which I did. On getting here, all his intention was to take away the money from me, played me and leave me alone. I came from the United State with all the money I've gotten from my Dad's business and contracts remuneration. Because the London guy told me of an idea to investment in Oil firms here. When I got here, he made all possible means to get the money from me and get away with my money. Then when I noticed this, I took my money and my traveling boxes run away and deposited it with a Security/Insurance Company here in London in order to safe myself and my assets. Thereafter I left the guy's apartment to a hotel where I am in right now and from which I am communicating with you now. Therefore, I don't want to fall into any other terrible situation again after all these that I have faced and I am not ready to be gamed, this time, I need to be very very careful of whom I will go out with or date this time. I will need some words from you, which will prove to me about your interest in me and what exactly you want out of our relationship. I am very eager to have a date now; since I would be coming back to the States as soon as possible you want me to, provided you will treat me with an orderly manner. Well, let me hang on here till I hear from you. I hope you will understand my situation at this time and I hope you will come to my Rescue and be of whom I expect you to be. I really need to be loved because I really deserved it and I need a man that would always be there for me, who will be like a father and husband to me, I will reciprocate true LOVE as well. I will like to know about you. I will wait to read from you soon With Love Debby debbybaird@yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 12:22:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B4503BEDF; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3fa71dee-ff2f-4abb-a929-0e8dbce17afd_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.239.161] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:50 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 12:22:50.0575 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0BF85F0:01C83D82] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:51 +0000 (UTC) --_3fa71dee-ff2f-4abb-a929-0e8dbce17afd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all that responded... Thank you!!! =20 seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thanks =20 Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will come of the info said he= re, but at least I have the hope of some new options. =20 to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, god bless google) and ha= ve probably had this unit apart more often then is healthy for someone with= my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already in my minds eye think of som= e screws that might not be making good connections etc. cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit more!! =20 thanks all Phill =20 =20 =20 From: matilists@atarde.com.brTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject= : Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownershipDate: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:= 01:27 -0300this looks like a ground loop kind of problem.=20 as a first test, I would try without the mains ground connection. possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is one t= oo much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or spots whe= re there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended. On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote: Another trying week another email to the list. I am begining to feel guilty= for the amount of help i am asking other for, however I dont know where e= lse to turn. I know this is a super-huge email, but please,if you know anyt= hing about echoplex's and their problems and feel you may have new light to= shed, please try contribute before I litterally run out of options. I have= just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise trouble that h= as plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). basically it makes= a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the power cord is plugge= d in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on and can be raised and lo= wered by adjusting the volume of the pa system hower no matter how the in = and output volume pots are set, it makes no differance, also turning the ba= lance from loop to input makes no change to the hum. the actual fidelity of= the audio behind the hum is fine, i can record a loop and the loop itself = is clear and undistorted. tonight I have made some more discoveries that ma= y help someone diagnose the problem... 1. i have had the roms and ram out o= f this unit and swapped with echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos o= f crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all combinations and echoplex three acc= epts the ram and roms from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echo= plex2 now has the roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change = of hum (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits) 2. I was really= persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echoplex2 and gently = pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem with echoplex1 bac= k in the day)...no dice.I dont have the correct tools to completly remove t= hese chips and clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harb= our the problem?? 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my= lead into ANY jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...= the hum is constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where ob= viously there is a whining of the clock). 4. If i plug into my little pract= ice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...that is to say I can plug echoplex= 2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (= my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my othe= r echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always noisy...how= ever in the practice amp things sound as clean as a whistle on all units? I= don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic unit= type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the ech= oplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a product= it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal. Thanks so much for r= eading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might be able to shed ligh= t on this situation, please email me or forward this onto them. Love and Wa= rm wishes Phill MyOneManBand Wilson Sounds like? How many syllables? 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To all that responded...
Thank you!!!
 
seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thanks
 
Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will come of the info said he= re, but at least I have the hope of some new options.
 
to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, god bless google)  a= nd have probably had this unit apart more often then is healthy for someone= with my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already in my minds eye think o= f some screws that might not be making good connections etc.
cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit more!!
 
thanks all Phill
 
 

 
From: matilists@atarde.com.br
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership
Date: Wed, 12 = Dec 2007 02:01:27 -0300

this looks like a ground loop kind of proble= m.=20
as a first test, I would try without the mains ground connection.
possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is = one too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or spot= s where there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended.


On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote:

An= other trying week another email to the list.
 
I am begining to = feel guilty for the amount of help i am  asking other for, however I d= ont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge email, but please,= if you know anything about echoplex's and their problems and feel you may h= ave new light to shed, please try contribute before I litterally run out of= options.
 
I have just spent the whole night determined to iron= out the noise trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second = of three).
 
basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the tim= e from the moment the power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the uni= t is switched on and can be  raised and lowered by adjusting the volum= e of the pa system 
&= nbsp;
hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it make= s no differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no chang= e to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i ca= n record a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted.
 
= tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose th= e problem...
 
1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit a= nd swapped with echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!)= anyways, i have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram = and roms from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has= the roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum (there= fore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits) 
 
2. I was really persistant and managed = to get those damn shields off echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square c= hips (this cured a noise problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice.=
I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and clean= .reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the problem?? 
3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead i= nto ANY jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum= is constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously= there is a whining of the clock).
 
4. If i plug into my little= practice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...that is to say I can plug ec= hoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its a new one) , or into other = pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same channels and settings w= ith my other echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always = noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a whistle on a= ll units?
 
I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unrelia= ble and problematic unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement = to just how GOOD the echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it wor= ks..however as a product it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equ= al.
 
Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyon= e else who might be able to shed light on this situation, please email me o= r forward this onto them.
 

Love and Warm wishes
 Phill MyOneManBand Wilson

Sounds like? How many syllables?&nbs= p;Guess a= nd win prizes with Search Charades!

=

Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! = --_3fa71dee-ff2f-4abb-a929-0e8dbce17afd_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 12:31:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4E7C3BEE7; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:31:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:31:55 UTC X-Originating-IP: [82.39.203.178] X-Originating-Email: [rawky@hotmail.co.uk] Message-ID: From: "Martin Rawcliffe" To: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:26:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83D83.7145A960" X-Priority: 3 X-Unsent: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 Disposition-Notification-To: "Martin Rawcliffe" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 12:26:54.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[722DBF70:01C83D83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:31:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83D83.7145A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable see phil this is what comes of being greedy and hogging all the echo's = in the world!!! :P wow first post to the list and its to someone i know, i feel antisocial! meh ... keep on looping all!=20 Martin From: phillip wilson=20 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:22 PM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Subject: RE: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership To all that responded... Thank you!!! =20 seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thanks =20 Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will come of the info said = here, but at least I have the hope of some new options. =20 to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, god bless google) and = have probably had this unit apart more often then is healthy for someone = with my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already in my minds eye think = of some screws that might not be making good connections etc. cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit more!! =20 thanks all Phill =20 =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: matilists@atarde.com.br To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:27 -0300 this looks like a ground loop kind of problem.=20 as a first test, I would try without the mains ground connection. possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is = one too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or = spots where there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended. On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote: Another trying week another email to the list. =20 I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am asking = other for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a = super-huge email, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and = their problems and feel you may have new light to shed, please try = contribute before I litterally run out of options. =20 I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise = trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). =20 basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment = the power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched = on and can be raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa = system=20 =20 hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes = no differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no = change to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is = fine, i can record a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted. =20 tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone = diagnose the problem... =20 1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with = echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i = have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms = from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the = roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum = (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits)=20 =20 2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off = echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise = problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice. I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and = clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the = problem?? =20 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into = ANY jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum = is constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where = obviously there is a whining of the clock). =20 4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go = away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa = inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs = etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my other = echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always = noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a whistle = on all units? =20 I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and = problematic unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement to = just how GOOD the echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it = works..however as a product it appears that all echoplex's are NOT = created equal. =20 Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who = might be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or = forward this onto them. =20 Love and Warm wishes =20 Phill MyOneManBand Wilson -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search = Charades! -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83D83.7145A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
see phil this is what comes of being greedy and = hogging=20 all the echo's in the world!!! :P
wow first post to the list and its to someone i = know, i=20 feel antisocial!
 
meh ... keep on = looping all!=20
Martin

Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: The frustrating world of echoplex = ownership


To all that responded...
Thank=20 you!!!
 
seriously, from the bottom of my heart,=20 thanks
 
Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will = come of=20 the info said here, but at least I have the hope of some new=20 options.
 
to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, = god=20 bless google)  and have probably had this unit apart more often = then is=20 healthy for someone with my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already = in my=20 minds eye think of some screws that might not be making good connections = etc.
cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit=20 more!!
 
thanks all = Phill
 
 

 
From: matilists@atarde.com.br
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The frustrating = world of=20 echoplex ownership
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:27 = -0300

this looks=20 like a ground loop kind of problem.=20
as a first test, I would try without the mains ground = connection.
possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or = there is one=20 too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or = spots where=20 there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended.


On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote:
Another=20 trying week another email to the list.
 
I am begining to = feel=20 guilty for the amount of help i am  asking other for, however I = dont=20 know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge email, but = please,if=20 you know anything about echoplex's and their problems and feel you = may have=20 new light to shed, please try contribute before I litterally run out = of=20 options.
 
I have just spent the whole night determined = to iron=20 out the noise trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my = second of=20 three).
 
basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the = time=20 from the moment the power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as = the unit=20 is switched on and can be  raised and lowered by adjusting the = volume=20 of the pa system 
 
hower no = matter=20 how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no differance, = also=20 turning the balance from loop to input makes no change to the hum. = the=20 actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i can record a = loop and=20 the loop itself is clear and undistorted.
 
tonight I = have made=20 some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose the=20 problem...
 
1. i have had the roms and ram out of this = unit and=20 swapped with echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of = crystals!!)=20 anyways, i have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts = the ram=20 and roms from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 = now has=20 the roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum=20 (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits) 
 
2. I was = really=20 persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echoplex2 and = gently=20 pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem with = echoplex1 back=20 in the day)...no dice.
I dont have the correct tools to completly = remove=20 these chips and clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that = may=20 harbour the problem??
 
3. I found that I can connect a = lead to=20 the pa and put my lead into ANY jack round the back,=20 input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is constant across = ALL of the=20 jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously there is a whining of = the=20 clock).
 
4. If i plug into my little practice amp the = problem=20 APPEARS to go away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of = the=20 four pa inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my = friends,my clubs=20 etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my other=20 echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always=20 noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a = whistle on=20 all units?
 
I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an = unreliable and problematic unit type for so long...ever... that is = more=20 testement to just how GOOD the echoplex can be, i love the way it = works ,=20 when it works..however as a product it appears that all echoplex's = are NOT=20 created equal.
 
Thanks so much for reading this far, if = anyone=20 knows anyone else who might be able to shed light on this situation, = please=20 email me or forward this onto them.
 

Love and Warm=20 wishes
 
Phill MyOneManBand Wilson

Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and = win prizes=20 with Search=20 Charades!


Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C83D83.7145A960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 41BE83BEF0; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Topic: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Index: Acg81MIrOtp9B4e6RtSA87eXiKUOYQAuTt6A Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Not really much difference at all. The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson models were still white and identical except for the company name. The black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? Hi Guys, Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for the first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibson (black) models? Thanks very much for your help! Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 13:47:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F5CC3BEF4; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:47:22 -0800 Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Topic: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Index: Acg81MIrOtp9B4e6RtSA87eXiKUOYQAuTt6AAAAlUxA= Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDE3@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:25 +0000 (UTC) Oooops. One correction. They're all "Pro." The black ones are the "Plus" models. I haven't had my first coffee yet. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:45 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Not really much difference at all. The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson models were still white and identical except for the company name. The black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? Hi Guys, Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for the first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibson (black) models? Thanks very much for your help! Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 14:18:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EBD443BEF1; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:18:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:17:05 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47613EE1.5060605@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:18:17 +0000 (UTC) GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Last week I took ill suddenly just before the show, so it never happened. Tonight at 11 pm EST/GMT-5 on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special focus on northern Californian Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Folding Space and Melting Galaxies" on Space for Music Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#dec Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 14:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F287E3BEF5; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=lIGlQRQBccNwpS3XGreVBF/RCZgUKjWj8+KDuOR0yRzSiGJ77rekQQQ6S3Yif5RAucvx7M0LgprbnADRCcmBBi1y508zhhVHUWr2EwDVzhOvW7kJukKzainxCkmC53PIVyz7rzM4PHnqhlobuvIacrmLRculHn4XYpDQJjZPey0= ; X-YMail-OSG: Qh9_GuYVM1moAPVT2D68eq..0gAQ8QMfqR6XJedn.3hb_UpS3qinf1tNlVYsZmHodbUsR4xa1Q-- Message-ID: <008a01c83d94$4de33850$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDE3@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071212-0, 12/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Glenn! Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Oooops. One correction. They're all "Pro." The black ones are the "Plus" models. I haven't had my first coffee yet. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 8:45 AM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Not really much difference at all. The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson models were still white and identical except for the company name. The black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? Hi Guys, Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for the first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibson (black) models? Thanks very much for your help! Ricky From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 14:46:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED7503BEE0; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476145AE.1080800@hevanet.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 06:46:06 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> In-Reply-To: <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Loop IV is the latest software...that is a potential difference between the Oberheim and Gibson whites; Gibson black should have the Loop IV. (When turned on, "Loop 4" flashes across the screen.) Best wishes, David Ricky Graham wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex > for the first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able > to tell me if there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim > (white) and gibson (black) models? > > Thanks very much for your help! > > Ricky > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 15:08:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C70B3BEF3; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_91e49d27-e674-4c24-aba0-2d74de03bcc1_" X-Originating-IP: [213.249.239.161] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:22 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2007 15:08:22.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[0087B210:01C83D9A] Resent-Message-ID: <5H9bG.A.nrC.nrUYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:08:24 +0000 (UTC) --_91e49d27-e674-4c24-aba0-2d74de03bcc1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 seco= nds of loops and loop v3.32 then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at i= ts maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with lo= op4 pre-installed at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of getting= more then one, go for the newer models as there are known synchronisation = problems between some older obi units and the newer gibsons. as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine for= me. On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read, trouble= s between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly still endors= e the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal (even more then = the creativity generated by my instrument on its own). There are people on = this list who have worked hard to provide me with this tool and I tip my ha= t to a very respectful angle towards them for creating such a musical tool.= get one...it will change your life!! Phill MyOneManBand =20 > From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? >=20 > Not really much difference at all. >=20 > The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson > models were still white and identical except for the company name. The > black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the > only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. >=20 > Glenn >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? >=20 > Hi Guys, >=20 > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for t= he > first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me i= f > there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibs= on > (black) models? >=20 > Thanks very much for your help! >=20 > Ricky >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml= --_91e49d27-e674-4c24-aba0-2d74de03bcc1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this

my original Ober= heim  shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 seconds of loop= s and loop v3.32

then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has ship= ped with the memory at its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5
<= br>finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with= loop4 pre-installed

at to buying on the used market, i would say if= you are thinking of getting more then one, go for the newer models as ther= e are known synchronisation problems between some older obi units and the n= ewer gibsons.

as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's= always been fine for me.


On a more personal note, I have been h= aving ,as you may have read,  troubles between my units of late...howe= ver Iwould very very strongly still endorse the unit as the most creative t= ool I have at my disposal (even more then the creativity generated by my in= strument on its own). There are people on this list who have worked hard to= provide me with this tool and I tip my hat to a very respectful angle towa= rds them for creating such a musical tool. get one...it will change your li= fe!!


Phill MyOneManBand
 
> From: glenn.poorman@= autodesk.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: = Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800
> Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson?
&g= t;
> Not really much difference at all.
>
> The colors = don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson
> models= were still white and identical except for the company name. The
> bl= ack means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the
&= gt; only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating.
>
&g= t; Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricky Gr= aham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, Dece= mber 12, 2007 10:36 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
&= gt; Subject: Oberheim/Gibson?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Pl= ease excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for the> first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell= me if
> there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (wh= ite) and gibson
> (black) models?
>
> Thanks very much f= or your help!
>
> Ricky
>

Messenger on t= he move. Text MSN to 63463 now! = --_91e49d27-e674-4c24-aba0-2d74de03bcc1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 15:24:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2A743BEF8; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <38277.167.83.10.20.1197559473.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:24:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:24:40 +0000 (UTC) I second Phil's note here. I bought a used one and had the folks over at British Audio go over it and reset it to Factory Shipped specs and it's an amazing tool. I've never regretted it. ~peace~ Plish > My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this > > my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 > seconds of loops and loop v3.32 > > then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at > its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 > > finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with > loop4 pre-installed > > at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of > getting more then one, go for the newer models as there are known > synchronisation problems between some older obi units and the newer > gibsons. > > as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine > for me. > > > On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read, > troubles between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly > still endorse the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal > (even more then the creativity generated by my instrument on its own). > There are people on this list who have worked hard to provide me with this > tool and I tip my hat to a very respectful angle towards them for creating > such a musical tool. get one...it will change your life!! > > > Phill MyOneManBand > >> From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 >> Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? >> >> Not really much difference at all. >> >> The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson >> models were still white and identical except for the company name. The >> black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the >> only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. >> >> Glenn >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >> Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? >> >> Hi Guys, >> >> Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for >> the >> first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me >> if >> there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and >> gibson >> (black) models? >> >> Thanks very much for your help! >> >> Ricky >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Telly addicts unite! > http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 15:32:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 508EF3BEEE; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 88608 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:32:16 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=HTS1KFyKGKjFQJnbDHlr47Xz+UQpRz945Ifq4QmBMaM=; b=GSlRp/oa6nGjbRNaAgpOkBX1kMTrbKRZprYBTFvGVDkiPyFKITidWDp+xU3EpMQZIAydWWUANMtK+bKbXYn1geDI16DzERcPTgmj8trb5D2uM/XwNfa/WmZsD54n+LlM6meLoQ22EIBr5x7THC/I5bpJ7A3rC2qhxT5XTJUzeko= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tL/eNoeVgI1mprG5LzvKt9ownupBeJVH4hmdiNui4XCdrxm5MdjJg2UyKYiowiNw4yXBmbS8xEWBrRJxFUYD+SmcXKNem7RDyYIchyp/gfaMQkm3Nx6mBQqxpCEzsheN3riWZg24a7XaDPHDGxKckqkvIqG7yV0neI47B0oNjxU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:32:12 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? In-Reply-To: <38277.167.83.10.20.1197559473.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <38277.167.83.10.20.1197559473.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:32:17 +0000 (UTC) My two main EDP's are one of the old Oberheims and a recent blackface Gibson. I also had my Oberheim sent to British Audio to get the LCD replaced (burnt out element from the factory) and they updated a few things at the time--cooler power supply, something on the Mix control, and one or two other things that I can't recall. The thing to look out for when purchasing a beige unit used is the software version, as it's about $125 to get the new version. TH On Dec 13, 2007 7:24 AM, wrote: > > I second Phil's note here. I bought a used one and had the folks over at > British Audio go over it and reset it to Factory Shipped specs and it's an > amazing tool. I've never regretted it. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 15:57:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C787A3BEFB; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:57:31 -0800 From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: in-reply-to: <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> references: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: 67.186.176.29 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Makes perfect sense. These pedals are what, 100 bucks? So as long as expect= ations are realistic, its all good.=20 On Wednesday, December 12, 2007, at 03:24PM, "Ian Popperwell" wrote: >Hi, I'm sure you're right about the A2(&2.1U) not doing acoustic guitar=20 >well. However for me, as a flute player, I've found that the A2.1U's EQ,= =20 >though not objectively great, has served my purposes well enough. And when= =20 >it also gives me a reasonable chorus + the volume pedal, it gives me what= =20 >I'd otherwise need to use 3 pedals for. I don't like the delays and prefer= =20 >the DL4 and now my tc Nova Delay. But, it's good to have a (cheap) multi F= X=20 >pedal that doesn't concentrate on distortion/overdrive & amp simulators.= =20 >Incidentally, I'm just about to have the tc/Hellicon VoiceTone Create=20 >delivered, but think I'll still need some EQ to get rid of unwanted lower = &=20 >v high frequencies to give me more isolation from other instruments onstag= e,=20 >but I think I'll keep the A2.1U for the EQ and volume pedal muting the fx = I=20 >don't need. > >Any other looping flute players who use quite a lot of effects=20 >(chorus/flanging, pitch shifting, delays, reverb, looping) out there? > >Ian > >----- Original Message -----=20 >From: "Chris Sewell" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:01 PM >Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 > > >Just stay away form the Zoom A2. A truly rotten piece of gear. It >makes any good acoustic sound like crap. Zoom doesn't do acoustic >well, but they probably do better at electric sounds I'm guessing. At >least I hope. > >On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:40 AM, Buzap Buzap wrote: > >> Hi Scott >> >> thanks for your detailed comments on the Zoom G2 (+ comparison). >> I usually don't change the delay much, rather, I tap it first and use i= t.=20 >> (unless I do some very weird extremely short delays - but then, it=20 >> doesn't matter either). >> >> I also love the "Santana" patch -really great :-) I think it's Mesa=20 >> Boogie amp simulation. >> I think quality-wise - my very subjective opinion - I would rate the Zo= om=20 >> G2 fx like this: >> - modulation effects, wah: great :-) >> - Amp Simulations: really good >> - delay: work very good (but not for a loop artist maybe ;-) >> - pitch shifting: quite useable (but not comparable to real vocal racks= ) >> - Reverb/Hall: they sound ok. >> - EQ/compression: not really exciting. >> >> Overall, the Zoom has a professional/sturdy "feel" and good useability = to=20 >> it. >> This is actually a problem I have with the Digitech. Sometimes I'm=20 >> reminded a bit of Behringer, and I don't know what quality level to=20 >> expect. >> But I could be wrong, of course... >> >> Buzap >> >> >> --=20 >> Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger geh=F6rt? >> Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger >> > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 16:34:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CA943BEFB; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1818 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:34:55 UTC X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.9 X-EN-IMPSID: QG4a1Y0030BkWne0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:04:43 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? In-Reply-To: References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <38277.167.83.10.20.1197559473.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20071213163455.951A03BEEA@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Bingo! There are manufacturing differences between the beige and black units (aside from software version). This page http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/LoopIII_v5.html writes: Power supply variations on some units could cause slightly low readings for Feedback, causing problems where the loop would decay even with the know all the way up. Units had to be tested for this problem in production and fixed before they could ship, which was inefficient. Some units undoubtedly shipped with such a problem, and there is the possibility of developing it as the hardware ages. Changes have been made in software to tolerate worst case voltage variations across all the relevant circuits. This corrects the problem, with the tradeoff being a slight reduction in feedback resolution at the top end of the scale. It doesn't appear to be noticeable, and is definitely worth it for the improvement in reliability. More notes here: http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-47383 http://www.loopers-delight.com/tools/echoplex/FAQ6.html#Anchor-17304 At 2007.12.13 07:32 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: >My two main EDP's are one of the old Oberheims and a recent blackface >Gibson. I also had my Oberheim sent to British Audio to get the LCD >replaced (burnt out element from the factory) and they updated a few >things at the time--cooler power supply, something on the Mix control, >and one or two other things that I can't recall. > >The thing to look out for when purchasing a beige unit used is the >software version, as it's about $125 to get the new version. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 17:58:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 035F83BEF4; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 381 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:52 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=B6X8KmD0ku6fGpikkmx80Ik/K5atGgFEDFeDiEMJ6JA=; b=Pj1pUNhWtHyqajqL4cZa2sb2MeMg+Nv+uk26FpiljkYnh5V1bbOdV4Akp5Fv6CBbsjOQqpYgz+HxHRhioF8Ks7QVC1ceulk9s50/iW21gVmA8PQr4vLMx910PdzBFW5+RvUttgNS9k/5ZiAQ4cFsdEzTd/CI9SyjXPD1ne24dgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RgncBYfoBZDzvsHUhY6g5iQIzmZ8RfkurK0oZg+C7rcp4sYlzCiCHfE2/UddMT55+78W0MA2mRpZDJo8cYkIa/24sPE2NYFqM/uuaa5x1LoyuKye0CIBkX+IpfWHZ6tZUr5PxzNrix4ZA8KvlClYeOAbk3LhSHwJNireiHmosp4= Message-ID: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:52:29 -0500 From: "Jeffrey Dunning" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Intro and question MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29125_24074826.1197568349822" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29125_24074826.1197568349822 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating. Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to study? I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through the forum archives and have not found any specific discussions. Thanks, Jeff ------=_Part_29125_24074826.1197568349822 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Greetings Loopers!  I've been lurking in the background for a few months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into my repertoire.  I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap.

Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating.

Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share their experiences and approach?  Are there any recorded examples available to study?

I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread.  I've searched through the forum archives and have not found
 any specific discussions.


Thanks,
Jeff
------=_Part_29125_24074826.1197568349822-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 18:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A2E63BEFA; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:40:37 -0800 Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Topic: Oberheim/Gibson? Thread-Index: Acg9mgVoJvxNhl32SBy2IANBWrokNgAHVhZw Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117709DE4DA@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC) That's all true but those are more timing differences (when they were made)= . Any used Oberheim and/or white faced Gibson you find on the market could potentially have max memory and Loop IV. You just need to find out ahead of= time. If it doesn't have Loop IV, you can order it yourself. You need to weigh the costs though and make sure that you're still getting a good deal with the added OS upgrade cost figured in. Glenn From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 seco= nds of loops and loop v3.32 then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at i= ts maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with lo= op4 pre-installed at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of getting= more then one, go for the newer models as there are known synchronisation = problems between some older obi units and the newer gibsons. as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine for= me. On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read, trouble= s between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly still endors= e the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal (even more then = the creativity generated by my instrument on its own). There are people on = this list who have worked hard to provide me with this tool and I tip my ha= t to a very respectful angle towards them for creating such a musical tool.= get one...it will change your life!! Phill MyOneManBand > From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Not really much difference at all. > > The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson > models were still white and identical except for the company name. The > black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the > only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Hi Guys, > > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for t= he > first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me i= f > there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and gibs= on > (black) models? > > Thanks very much for your help! > > Ricky > ________________________________________ Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 19:10:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 516D43BEF6; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=o/0baEKhDdLK0dQwj4WiIme1WCGaKHRPOKwzUi4jR4yav7bSNDhh79xgcSG93J490YGivrzubn6DnuqqANFBwtqsFgMKJ12N+/oFVlgKop3F+ugz3YS0uc45vGUwKcnA/HADxluKu3Xa6WJDDNkeowtDTc+TzJYr5WXsqNYrCW4= ; X-YMail-OSG: l0bpj7cVM1kxEl.1VTONUVMNTXSvdgVqu0dkXi0Zjf_gfDkW Message-ID: <000e01c83dbb$d2ce1900$4201a8c0@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <20071212042707.CB5FA14DF7@ns4.tnt21.com> <1074C516-1B6E-429F-8EBC-40A327EBF4D9@atarde.com.br> <001c01c83cd4$afc6e500$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741177097DDDE@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117709DE4DA@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:10:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: <45BhWB.A.jbE.mOYYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77196 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the info guys. Finding it very hard to find an Oberheim EDP anywhere here in the UK. If anyone has one for sale, please let me know. I have paypal. Thanks, Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? That's all true but those are more timing differences (when they were made). Any used Oberheim and/or white faced Gibson you find on the market could potentially have max memory and Loop IV. You just need to find out ahead of time. If it doesn't have Loop IV, you can order it yourself. You need to weigh the costs though and make sure that you're still getting a good deal with the added OS upgrade cost figured in. Glenn From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 seconds of loops and loop v3.32 then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with loop4 pre-installed at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of getting more then one, go for the newer models as there are known synchronisation problems between some older obi units and the newer gibsons. as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine for me. On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read, troubles between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly still endorse the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal (even more then the creativity generated by my instrument on its own). There are people on this list who have worked hard to provide me with this tool and I tip my hat to a very respectful angle towards them for creating such a musical tool. get one...it will change your life!! Phill MyOneManBand > From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Not really much difference at all. > > The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson > models were still white and identical except for the company name. The > black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the > only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Hi Guys, > > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for > the > first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if > there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and > gibson > (black) models? > > Thanks very much for your help! > > Ricky > ________________________________________ Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 19:47:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D5463BEE1; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <5051.167.83.10.20.1197575265.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:47:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Intro and question From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77197 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, Welcome! I usually use the loops to create background layers (sometimes verse and chorus) and play over those (especially live). You can hear the different ways I use the acoustic guitar and looping on my two myspace pages (for ease of access) www.myspace.com/bohdanovich and www.myspace.com/michaelplishka -the former has more looping than the latter (esp. Dreams of the Black Sea, and Preterpivij to name a couple) ~peace~ Plish > Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months > now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping > into > my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and > always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a > "technique for the sake of technique" trap. > > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe > Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share > their > experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to > study? > > I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through > the forum archives and have not found > any specific discussions. > > > Thanks, > Jeff > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 20:39:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9636E3BEE8; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <47619D11.4020202@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: How do you chain your Effects? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:39:27 +0000 (UTC) If you use a laptop I suggest to use an audio card as a mixer/splitter/router. I have been using the Allen & Heath first and then a Switchblade before going with the audio card. my best, luca www.unguitar.com. Sjaak wrote: >>I'd really like to find a 16 (or so) channel mixer that has STEREO >>aux sends. It's really annoying that I've got a cool stereo signal >>that get summed to mono when sent to the loopers where I re-stereo-ize >>them. >> >> > >That's why I use an Allen & Heath WZ3 14:4:2 mixer. On this model (and probably others) you can configure the aux-sends of the stereo channels. I copied the following text from the manual: > >Stereo/Mono aux source - The stereo channels can feed the auxes with a mono sum of L+R, or be configured so that L feeds the odd numbered auxes, and R the even. This is preferred when using odd/even auxes as stereo pairs. Factory >default is the mono setting. > >Sjaak > >--- >Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... >http://www.scarlet.be/ > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2719 (20071212) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:47:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 242FF3BEF1; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <4761AD13.9040104@unguitar.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:07:15 +0100 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jeff, as for acoustic guitarists I suggest you to take a look and meet Mr.Claude Voit here: http://www.claudevoit.ch/ my best, luca www.unguitar.com Jeffrey Dunning wrote: > Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few > months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate > looping into my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and > technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests > without falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. > > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe > Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share > their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples > available to study? > > I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched > through the forum archives and have not found > any specific discussions. > > > Thanks, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 21:52:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606273BEE1; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=2lbLhdQFL31yuNDaA/y5UwSYagKbsgUdWq5uw+56nZXcR9MJTOhqH3zuAcgE/FCCNrTeMTNplYrjrrUFQuPtbN3z7cJcmXjGic2+eMP1AYB7wAIvP8CysWsYYba/v2zLL+9puItoKyNCRPnbavyeae0NtUA3h+CrY+ZhOqd4dBc= ; X-YMail-OSG: Fn0WhRgVM1mZx9TRTQdiAsi1MYmMbdtTAVIm87o5OPbSGs82I1hkPFFBKPgGV.Z49zXdOWgQ5duJb3RwDRpU0V9P85h.pxKRA4rlQ7gDLJDb1g6x Message-ID: <000401c83dd2$6fd3b0f0$4201a8c0@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> <4761AD13.9040104@unguitar.com> Subject: Re: Intro and question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:52:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Some really interesting reading there, Luca. Thanks for the link. Ricky www.rickygraham.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luca Formentini" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Intro and question > Hi Jeff, > as for acoustic guitarists I suggest you to take a look and meet Mr.Claude > Voit here: http://www.claudevoit.ch/ > > my best, > luca > www.unguitar.com > > Jeffrey Dunning wrote: > >> Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months >> now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping >> into my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and >> technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without >> falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. >> >> Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe >> Keating. >> >> Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share >> their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples >> available to study? >> >> I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched >> through the forum archives and have not found >> any specific discussions. >> >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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MSN Messenger = --_3df2f74a-0a55-403b-8494-2e8ed8811fd2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 13 23:20:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B80C3BEE4; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071213182010.A1CXO.170615.root@fepweb05> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:20:10 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question Cc: Jeffrey Dunning In-Reply-To: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:20:11 +0000 (UTC) Jeff, Specific to your question I would whole-heartedly direct you to looping gui= tarist and LD member Greg Williams. His stuff is on MySpace at: http://www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist He's a fine player, composer and performer -- as evidenced by his great set= a the Y2K7 Loopfest in Santa Cruz this past October. There are plenty of others on the list though too. I am strictly a finger-picker myself -- only I don't play acoustic much th= ese days. My music is very, VERY far away from the days when I was a would-be Leo Kot= tke/Merle Travis imitator -- about as far away as one could possibly get. Andy Butler is a phenomenal looper guitarist who sometimes plays acoustic -= - I think even with "classical" technique of sorts. I'd mention some others but I am not sure if they are plectrum users or fin= ger-pickers. At least that's a start. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Jeffrey Dunning wrote: > Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months > now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping in= to > my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and > always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a > "technique for the sake of technique" trap. > > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keatin= g. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share th= eir > experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to > study? > > I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through > the forum archives and have not found > any specific discussions. > > > Thanks, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 04:17:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4543BEE0; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=x7NfWsqxAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=Yoa2k7fRAAAA:8 a=vWk3uKrPAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=EorBuhBH-10oh3TS8ZEA:9 a=lzXEkxgMN-sYa4miV4wA:7 a=rKi8TIN6GrOVOwbT0YcpdWfTJC0A:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=OUKbW-zgSzYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Intro and question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:17:03 -0800 Message-ID: <001b01c83e08$2e39a790$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg93rzSDJ6HEBlcT6qPMBtxyUImKgAKPiWw In-Reply-To: <20071213182010.A1CXO.170615.root@fepweb05> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, Thanks for the referral and cudos. I'll respond to Jeff tonight or tomorrow; it will take some minutes of thought to respond. I really respect how often and thoughtfully respond to newbies man (including myself). ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Jeffrey Dunning Subject: Re: Intro and question Jeff, Specific to your question I would whole-heartedly direct you to looping guitarist and LD member Greg Williams. His stuff is on MySpace at: http://www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist He's a fine player, composer and performer -- as evidenced by his great set a the Y2K7 Loopfest in Santa Cruz this past October. There are plenty of others on the list though too. I am strictly a finger-picker myself -- only I don't play acoustic much these days. My music is very, VERY far away from the days when I was a would-be Leo Kottke/Merle Travis imitator -- about as far away as one could possibly get. Andy Butler is a phenomenal looper guitarist who sometimes plays acoustic -- I think even with "classical" technique of sorts. I'd mention some others but I am not sure if they are plectrum users or finger-pickers. At least that's a start. tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780 76 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Jeffrey Dunning wrote: > Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months > now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into > my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and > always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a > "technique for the sake of technique" trap. > > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share their > experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to > study? > > I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through > the forum archives and have not found > any specific discussions. > > > Thanks, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 04:22:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4CCF3BEDE; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=x7NfWsqxAAAA:8 a=2nhGjAOeAAAA:8 a=HSWCTTXAAAAA:8 a=npx5NHmsAAAA:8 a=Yoa2k7fRAAAA:8 a=vWk3uKrPAAAA:8 a=-KG3j4xFAAAA:8 a=4UP6TeVJAAAA:8 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=ZuF1JzUZBxb98_pn4qIA:9 a=keYNvlTf-0mBUeGkQa4A:7 a=16m0avuxWqxxgSjt3wY6ZV8ytvkA:4 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=OUKbW-zgSzYA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Intro and question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:22:55 -0800 Message-ID: <001d01c83e09$005000d0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg93rzSDJ6HEBlcT6qPMBtxyUImKgAKhU3g In-Reply-To: <20071213182010.A1CXO.170615.root@fepweb05> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Sorry everyone, I thought I was responding to Ted offline. Jeez - finals week, performances, caffeine, head spun. All the Best, ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: tEd R kiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 3:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Jeffrey Dunning Subject: Re: Intro and question Jeff, Specific to your question I would whole-heartedly direct you to looping guitarist and LD member Greg Williams. His stuff is on MySpace at: http://www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist He's a fine player, composer and performer -- as evidenced by his great set a the Y2K7 Loopfest in Santa Cruz this past October. There are plenty of others on the list though too. I am strictly a finger-picker myself -- only I don't play acoustic much these days. My music is very, VERY far away from the days when I was a would-be Leo Kottke/Merle Travis imitator -- about as far away as one could possibly get. Andy Butler is a phenomenal looper guitarist who sometimes plays acoustic -- I think even with "classical" technique of sorts. I'd mention some others but I am not sure if they are plectrum users or finger-pickers. At least that's a start. tEd R kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780 76 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Jeffrey Dunning wrote: > Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months > now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into > my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and > always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a > "technique for the sake of technique" trap. > > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share their > experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to > study? > > I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through > the forum archives and have not found > any specific discussions. > > > Thanks, > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 05:40:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CD923BEEE; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:40:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=giYQe-WO8DbxBOyGZMYA:9 a=CdIVHFdfoDI4sXoyw7MA:7 a=BfIpf_3wkziii-MU5uxgjY6oAvcA:4 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=fbQJtQpp4wE8V77ApcwA:9 a=XpxrtKa3oLtA1BNSyp0A:7 a=J3i51-OAR72SOGDVDKwXwbSeSk8A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Intro and question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:40:38 -0800 Message-ID: <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83DD0.CD9D2920" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acg9sdwGuhhy2GciSwSurJw2fDKl2gAWgUHQ In-Reply-To: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:40:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83DD0.CD9D2920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Jeff, >I've been lurking in the background for a few months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into my repertoire. I am a fingerstyle acoustic guitarist and >technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. Lurkers Delight syndrome has served me and I'm sure many others very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high profile fingerstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple that come to mind are Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit live, or at least has in the past - you might be able to find some stuff on youtube), and Chet Atkins, who apparently did an album called Jamman, named after his looper of choice. I haven't heard that one though. I really liked Kris Hartung's first album "Places" which is experimental improv/jazz stuff done all on acoustic guitar, reverb processing and a Boomerang looper. He uses an advanced fingerstyle jazz chord/melody approach, but with a more abstract language and vocabulary. He could probably tell you about his approach better than I. It's not exactly clear to me what you mean by "technique for the sake of technique". Are you referring to the general playing of an individual (as in wanking), or technique in the looping sense, as in using all the hip-sounding looping features just because they are available and can impress people? I personally don't necessarily avoid either as long as the music sounds organic to me, feels good, and has the capability of moving myself and potentially others. My personal approach is more of a compositional one, in a kind of post-minimalist-Steve Reich-meets-Jimmy Page and Mike Oldfield with some world music and psychedelia thrown in. I use both fingerstyle playing and plectrum playing in most pieces, constructing little interlocking parts, groove riffs and bass lines, and "golpe" percussion parts (in a bad imitation of John Bonham, and some polyrhythmic West African grooves), and then solo over it modally. Modal not in the Coltrane sense (as if I could!), but more in the Allman Brothers sense. I also like to transform the pieces very gradually by reducing feedback and doing not-so-clever stuff with pedal tones and modal harmony and modulations. Some things work better compositionally with looping than others. It's a challenge! I play a custom cedar-top OM style steel string with a L.R. Baggs I-Beam pickup (no microphones, all direct). I've used a setup with delays (not for looping), reverb, compression, and two EDPs in stereo for a while now. I also use a Radial Switchbone A/B/Y/ box in order to "assign" my parts to different sides of the stereo image, my choices being left, right, or both. I run that into a Mackie mixer, and "unpan" the two channels a little so that left and right are more like 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. Since I have a lot of polyphony going on, the stereo separation really helps with the clarity of the separate musical lines. I also use an ebow for sustained musical lines, which a lot of electric guitarists use. My mom thinks it sounds like whale song - she's a dear old California hippie, bless her beads. I'm experimenting now with a Looperlative and some additional processing after being inspired by other fine musicians on this list. New gear takes me a while to learn to use intuitively, so I'm in woodshed mode at the moment. >Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating. Zoe is really cool. She did a performance is Sacramento a while back at a cello festival (Ted is saying to himself right now, "man, we don't get any cello festivals in Southern Oregon.", and she really impressed a lot of more traditional classical players and cello enthusiasts. Check out Todd Reynolds. He's a violinist who uses looping in really interesting and musical ways and contributes to the LD list here as well. Hope all this helps. I'd love to hear your stuff man. Get crackin! Yours, ~Greg Williams www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist _____ From: Jeffrey Dunning [mailto:acoustik@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 9:52 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Intro and question Greetings Loopers! I've been lurking in the background for a few months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into my repertoire. I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe Keating. Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded examples available to study? I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread. I've searched through the forum archives and have not found any specific discussions. Thanks, Jeff ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83DD0.CD9D2920 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Jeff,

 

>I've been lurking in the background for a few months now, = soaking up information and determining how to incorporate looping into my repertoire.  I am a fingerstyle acoustic guitarist and = >technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into = a "technique for the sake of technique" trap. =

 

Lurkers Delight syndrome has served me and I’m sure many = others very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven’t heard all that many high = profile fingerstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple that come to mind are = Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit live, or at least has in the past = – you might be able to find some stuff on youtube), and Chet Atkins, who apparently did an album called Jamman, named after his looper of choice. = I haven’t heard that one though. I really liked Kris Hartung’s = first album “Places” which is experimental improv/jazz stuff done = all on acoustic guitar, reverb processing and a Boomerang looper. He uses an = advanced fingerstyle jazz chord/melody approach, but with a more abstract = language and vocabulary. He could probably tell you about his approach better than = I.

 

It’s not exactly clear to me what you mean by = “technique for the sake of technique”. Are you referring to the general = playing of an individual (as in wanking), or technique in the looping sense, as in = using all the hip-sounding looping features just because they are available = and can impress people? I personally don’t necessarily avoid either as = long as the music sounds organic to me, feels good, and has the capability of = moving myself and potentially others.

 

My personal approach is more of a compositional one, in a kind = of post-minimalist-Steve Reich-meets-Jimmy Page and Mike Oldfield with some = world music and psychedelia thrown in. I use both fingerstyle playing and = plectrum playing in most pieces, constructing little interlocking parts, groove = riffs and bass lines, and “golpe” percussion parts (in a bad = imitation of John Bonham, and some polyrhythmic West African grooves), and then solo = over it modally. Modal not in the Coltrane sense (as if I could!), but more in = the Allman Brothers sense. I also like to transform the pieces very = gradually by reducing feedback and doing not-so-clever stuff with pedal tones and = modal harmony and modulations. Some things work better compositionally with = looping than others. It’s a challenge!

 

I play a custom cedar-top OM = style steel string with a L.R. Baggs I-Beam pickup (no microphones, all direct). =  I’ve used a setup with delays (not for looping), reverb, compression, and two = EDPs in stereo for a while now. I also use a Radial Switchbone A/B/Y/ box in = order to “assign” my parts to different sides of the stereo image, = my choices being left, right, or both. I run that into a Mackie mixer, and = “unpan” the two channels a little so that left and right are more like 9 = o’clock and 3 o’clock. Since I have a lot of polyphony going on, the = stereo separation really helps with the clarity of the separate musical lines. I also use = an ebow for sustained musical lines, which a lot of electric guitarists use. My = mom thinks it sounds like whale song – she’s a dear old = California = hippie, bless her beads. I’m experimenting now with a Looperlative and some = additional processing after being inspired by other fine musicians on this list. = New gear takes me a while to learn to use intuitively, so I’m in woodshed = mode at the moment.

 

>Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of = cello-looper Zoe Keating.

 

Zoe is really cool. She did a performance is Sacramento a while back at a cello festival (Ted is saying to himself right now, = “man, we don’t get any cello festivals in Southern Oregon…”, and she really impressed a lot of more traditional classical players and = cello enthusiasts. Check out Todd Reynolds. He’s a violinist who uses = looping in really interesting and musical ways and contributes to the LD list = here as well.

 

Hope all this helps. I’d love to hear your stuff man. Get crackin!

 

Yours,

~Greg Williams

www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist

 

 

 

 

 

From: = Jeffrey Dunning [mailto:acoustik@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December = 13, 2007 9:52 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Intro and = question

 

Greetings Loopers!  I've been lurking in the background for = a few months now, soaking up information and determining how to incorporate = looping into my repertoire.  I am a fingerstle acoustic guitarist and = technophile, and always trying to find ways to combine interests without falling into = a "technique for the sake of technique" trap.

Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe = Keating.

Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can share = their experiences and approach?  Are there any recorded examples = available to study?

I appologize in advance if this is a re-run thread.  I've searched = through the forum archives and have not found
 any specific discussions.


Thanks,
Jeff

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C83DD0.CD9D2920-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 07:37:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C46593BEE7; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Q2GYeXozFfLPqXQOFL6Z7obAqepM50lNgaJgaqofx1k=; b=XAHAtX056MA1D6+jchVW/5APBtEPvozkxc2h0bgRhVEjH6jDmnOyljD04DCI6HD2QS7hcOwu3rtecMyBUJzCG+HtWi5kjbEZAIpL2+CS4BY0QnFOdnV72+4JAITZ9vABZfN65ZSpHF5MOzjI7jdz4jgxlLTsV+sVG2CROO3upOU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=s6LiiHnNPGQFapUW1pbSiMFE2L8LFwHaW1WJEvr2KBRfwN1QPtDWVJIixYkk2zvCrrml4ijuaM/wpYzB9+0VTcUYi0SCx3c7jqxOnclre/NL5SkEOlnlNebOoG64ZNe76qpBNIIVLXyTTjH0TC60capyRiwrFQa2pZ3sQzYeLnw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> References: <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <60CFC069-FC1B-483B-B53F-92739B0AF5A5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Intro and question Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:37:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:37:26 +0000 (UTC) > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe > Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can > share their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded > examples available to study? Hi Jeff, A good initial advice on looping fingerstyle guitar is to use long loops and play the parts, just layering overdubs into an arrangement - and maybe "orchestration" if you manage to change the sound of your playing, break up parts into different note registers etc. What is good with fingerpicking guitar is that you're able to lay down a basic rhythm even with the first loop you create. Cello doesn't let you do that as easily; I've seen Zoe creating rhythm by adding an extra round for overdubbing plying "drumstick" with the bow on the instrument's body. But as said, the great thing with guitar, and fingerpicking in particular, is that you can advance faster towards a complex arrangement. Good for the showmanship side of it ;-) I don't play fingerpincking myself. Actually I do quite the opposite when using guitar, mostly playing long sustained notes on a fretless guitar. Then a rhythmic aspect of the loop is more difficult to achieve. I have two favorite ways; either I make some rhythm on my first layer, before starting to play tonal material, or I start with a few loops with no rhythm and then using quantized punch-in/overdub, or pitch/rate shift, to mark the beat. Or I simply stick with "no beat" music and play with the rhythm I hear inside ;-) Welcome to this cosy list and I hope my post made sense. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 07:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FA1C3BEF1; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001c01c83e25$ebf6c7f0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K7 VIDEOS online: Barry Cleveland and Mojow and the Vibration Army Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:49:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:49:55 +0000 (UTC) m trucco, the professional videographer who documented much of the Y2k7 festival has begun to put the resultant videos on line. He and his partner did a wonderful job entirely without pay (as did many other people who contributed to the festival) so I wanted to thank them for their expertise and hardwork and selflessness in serving this community. Rick Walker The first artists covered are Barry Cleveland 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDlOmIgbHo&feature=user 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unGUupwgYEU&feature=user 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=460KQi8KHHQ&feature=user 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFns3asg2w&feature=user and Mojow and the Vibration Army 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA27ZzI04XA&feature=user 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCo2kMI_MG8&feature=user 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mhaHxLbJB4&feature=user 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEtEqg2R-00&feature=user 5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJkn1mfUZgg&feature=user From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 07:55:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 95A663BEF6; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=r1UuYqEQAAAA:8 a=z2xkNrJsxS-mAVGUMucA:9 a=WckxfHkSAuIjfOHc6-2XQZQ_xp8A:4 a=1hcOZ4TRa7kA:10 a=wFbLb7fCY44A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Intro and question Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:55:34 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c83e26$b51794c0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <60CFC069-FC1B-483B-B53F-92739B0AF5A5@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg+JDWnFcqJhf7vSGWco9I+0Bhd1QAAazsg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, > Welcome to this cosy list and I hope my post made sense. I'm certain it makes a whole lot more sense than my previous post and writing style - and English is my FIRST language ;) Very good advice, as always. Greeting from California, ~Williams -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question > Lately, I've been mesmerized by the recordings of cello-looper Zoe > Keating. > > Are there any other fingerstyle acoustic guitarists here who can > share their experiences and approach? Are there any recorded > examples available to study? Hi Jeff, A good initial advice on looping fingerstyle guitar is to use long loops and play the parts, just layering overdubs into an arrangement - and maybe "orchestration" if you manage to change the sound of your playing, break up parts into different note registers etc. What is good with fingerpicking guitar is that you're able to lay down a basic rhythm even with the first loop you create. Cello doesn't let you do that as easily; I've seen Zoe creating rhythm by adding an extra round for overdubbing plying "drumstick" with the bow on the instrument's body. But as said, the great thing with guitar, and fingerpicking in particular, is that you can advance faster towards a complex arrangement. Good for the showmanship side of it ;-) I don't play fingerpincking myself. Actually I do quite the opposite when using guitar, mostly playing long sustained notes on a fretless guitar. Then a rhythmic aspect of the loop is more difficult to achieve. I have two favorite ways; either I make some rhythm on my first layer, before starting to play tonal material, or I start with a few loops with no rhythm and then using quantized punch-in/overdub, or pitch/rate shift, to mark the beat. Or I simply stick with "no beat" music and play with the rhythm I hear inside ;-) Welcome to this cosy list and I hope my post made sense. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:19:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54D063BEEA; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:19:46 +0100 From: "Buzap Buzap" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Authenticated: #33233833 X-Flags: 0001 X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 6100 (Global Message Exchange) X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/QR0JVqcPQf0ShvX4/eDjzDkQWCc0m6ADQrk1nwd 4YsXF9UBF6URXF/6A8WvR27AZs33OanhTO0g== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-GMX-UID: 0E1Rf+gcMmA6SMJ3kGBnwDU5MjQ1N10d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:49 +0000 (UTC) > Makes perfect sense. These pedals are what, 100 bucks? well, imo the Zoom G2 sounds much better than 100 bucks. Of course, you cannot expect top-of-the-class compression or reverb. But the basic effects are really good and sound excellent. > >Zoom doesn't do acoustic > >well, but they probably do better at electric sounds I'm guessing. It would be also my first guess to use the Zoom pedal for grunge guitar rather than country folk. However, sometimes I'm not sure if it is the effects or the default patches configured maybe by a progressive rock guitarist (instead of a nashville singer/guitarist). Generally, I have that problem also with "European versus Asian" sound style on keyboard patches. The first preferring more warm/mellow the latter more bright/clear sounds. I had good results for acoustic fx with the Zoom G2 when using it in a very subtle way. (default patches were horrible and sounded like "plastic"). Buzap -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:23:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864473BF00; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:24:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <4oKIbB.A.xpE.fXnYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:23:59 +0000 (UTC) I just got permission to post the wonderful article on live looping that appeared in the September 2007 issue of DRUM! Magazine that featured a contrast between the all composed style of my dear friend, the amazing Kid Beyond and the all improv style of yours truly. Norm Weinberg did a wonderful job on a primer article and I think it may be the biggest article on live looping yet in a national magazine. Check it out: www.looppool.info/DRUM!_looping_article and thanks Norm for all the energy and talent you put into this wonderful article. In my forty years as a drummer, this is the first time I"ve ever been in a national drumming magazine and I"m just like a little kid in a candy shop......very, very excited! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 12:36:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4763A3BF06; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 441 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:36:47 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DrSfXh8uQzUqqSIXLu4iNJ1Rz9qn0mMRmqs1WRXR8jM=; b=MOp01+ZKBYyngfWjN1MkMLqRo9bb0cu/HI7RHx6IQj/bTiDyZPaSx2fBQcRJIVxK4VMD/g+lGcPaqpi8Bx4QNjgddFtM1m1zzaRW9X5nh685OfG++7bizCnKgQzQHP1beTTUcQCS0iC+FROoP9YacWtwUdc2yMx2U+LSYy964PA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eYBmIC/R+vsWdrA1Aft+sxh5YVc6vwYpgNHifQBBDhJipy964hhdqGEL9h1/hE9/KqEm1+HNjFs6YdpoVI9uF0/eIA2R/yKVJfkit3i9F19zYsWhXUEFQ2djkDIkrNdDyy/dDS5KkZ7YfnBXhOUlhGazO7TXIL8R7hfFBHaLnxE= Message-ID: <4762772A.3020403@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:29:30 -0500 From: Jeffrey Dunning User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Thanks for all the responses! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:36:48 +0000 (UTC) I now have quite a bit to consider, and will enjoy every minute! 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Angulo" Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <539791.38981.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:43:07 +0000 (UTC) very nice Rick congratulations!! Luis --- Rick Walker wrote: > I just got permission to post the wonderful article > on > live looping that appeared in the September 2007 > issue > of DRUM! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:03:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9FE3BF07; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 388 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:21 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YcGsLmdsNnHdN1zqkUOND696drrvmz3zk7JGoGnCZa0=; b=KFsWtCH5GJpmr7KbcILqFup59OTH3y3qmj8PO9k+7LQ9go+ersXOmrlNaY3tZx+k5VXPRe5e6aE4kF5gXpzvO00oJ6YwUR1qeE7N50UqsudZbbtH6vQBpxhKMXRKvqP1BLdPwMLYlMTyRwhtQYKlqYnOBgwhUBPukaVyeEmmMWw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=j0iEEADA1yp99fgepkkj1HrPKJNulaEYzziMwQS+Z5Ldt7wVXzbul1e1XXn7U9Nh+mXJa1yEeIjbau6aM0W/45Uw0Dl9Xmp5A/uHePjit68oLwSWtIUE/9OZZPqlJoV6LBmcZqYbMCZbZwY6+lvQwVXg2zh9n1vO7GUrM5mtvnI= Message-ID: <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:56:51 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question In-Reply-To: <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1533_24123786.1197651411666" References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:03:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1533_24123786.1197651411666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his playing (why would he need to when he's capable of so much without the tech?). I could be wrong though. Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well worth checking out. Kevin > Lurkers Delight syndrome has served me and I'm sure many others very well= . > Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high profile fingerstyle > guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple that come to mind are > Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit live, or at least has in th= e > past =96 you might be able to find some stuff on youtube), > ------=_Part_1533_24123786.1197651411666 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
 I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his playing (why would he need to when he's capable of so much without the tech?).  I could be wrong though.

Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitari= st well worth checking out.

Kevin


Lurkers Delight syndrome = has served me and I'm sure many others very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high profile finge= rstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple that come to mind are Richa= rd Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit live, or at least has in the past =96 you might be able to find some stuff on youtube),


------=_Part_1533_24123786.1197651411666-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:09:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E3EEE3BEFB; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Qup5mTh7XQq1KaQdjy5awqcXeYEBvLtCTeRcVqbS46s=; b=Xf4rtiIr3hnnvq2N6Yf6zxKKkxETX1NUrkTJax8314V901AkMgHbVXMhjzxCUBzdYlLo0uVi1oUMRUDawZMc+n0OWDRcfLAq6YX4Mgf5/hYwjTW+xIf6SOENgegKUXovrFAlpG5/OeJBciVvkyVbJ2jLajrE+/Sx22h1QcmsNBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UME85YmDcQELi1nd7mzJKJVGhlmipis+FZAtV1QB6S2kKtZ5/Rq9Dt8Pwcz2BbM2Ud5j+hwGYNllEqhZaG0Iv9fZdtKj7Mt4Z0pk7wgsyKdVStjyms5a1+YQOJ9MxWhqgmxRYoLulM8DVsgrif1+yMBbN8Ev89EbzynW90r2/uM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Intro and question Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:09:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:09:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Maybe he doesn't want to loop his playing but rather to play his =20 looping? (What I'm hinting at here is the fact that a looping device is not =20 only "recorder" but a kind of instrument in its own right) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen On 14 dec 2007, at 17.56, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his =20 > playing (why would he need to when he's capable of so much without =20 > the tech?). I could be wrong though. > > Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well =20= > worth checking out. > > Kevin > > > Lurkers Delight syndrome has served me and I'm sure many others =20 > very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high =20 > profile fingerstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple =20= > that come to mind are Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit =20= > live, or at least has in the past =96 you might be able to find some =20= > stuff on youtube), > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:19:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2EFA3BF0B; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:19:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vgEhCCkDG+175Pzs1Hw4k3PJdayiuT42kl4pss2YHB0=; b=n3vcUEU1DWvFtyMpzZcZJyRk7FTFCzNDpGn6AxhjokbXgzMlE7RvKDpXKJYNumWQbhPM06jCLFWi3OKYtj0IcvYFMsqHccSnd4t/L1px3nGk7NaRl4AE6CepAWrGMZaYB0vcZQe0M2JxsZzxuMNfV6gDxpvsaM5MITO/mPyXs9Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=srdtAPAru3BjEUG6dlPmZB1IhUZDb+ybvljEsdyk2qoy0W4nBPFzwcEMeW1/3psM40AZlsC5SK0lUG0uu6jwisvpbQInZAPvzgZoQqVfAAH0iH1eOrve2Pz/K3lqOb9ukeHZxBmOWgRxpbx7KEBYFRra3iEttDHRjjKBXwJcE3o= Message-ID: <37f071c00712140919r2e96dba2ve1ce32d77068c1cd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:19:50 -0800 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1651_6644677.1197652790319" References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:19:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1651_6644677.1197652790319 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 14, 2007 9:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe he doesn't want to loop his playing but rather to play his > looping? > > (What I'm hinting at here is the fact that a looping device is not > only "recorder" but a kind of instrument in its own right) Oh sure, I know that, it was more a turn of phrase than a definition of style or intent. What I meant is only that Richard Thompson is, as his ex-wife said, "Spoon-bendingly talented" without anything other than a guitar and I can't really think how he would incorporate looping tech to hi= s advantage. I am fully in the 'looper as instrument camp' myself. Kevin > > > On 14 dec 2007, at 17.56, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > > I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his > > playing (why would he need to when he's capable of so much without > > the tech?). I could be wrong though. > > > > Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well > > worth checking out. > > > > Kevin > > > > > > Lurkers Delight syndrome has served me and I'm sure many others > > very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high > > profile fingerstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple > > that come to mind are Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bit > > live, or at least has in the past =96 you might be able to find some > > stuff on youtube), > > > > > ------=_Part_1651_6644677.1197652790319 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On Dec 14, 2007 9:09 AM, Per Boysen <= perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Maybe he doesn't want to loop his playing but rather to play= his
looping?

(What I'm hinting at here is the fact that a lo= oping device is not
only "recorder" but a kind of instrument i= n its own right)

Oh sure, I know that, it was more a turn of phrase th= an a definition of style or intent.  What I meant is only that Richard= Thompson  is, as his ex-wife said, "Spoon-bendingly talented&quo= t; without anything other than a guitar and I can't really think how he= would incorporate looping tech to his advantage. =20

I am fully in the 'looper as instrument camp' myself. =

Kevin




On 14 dec 2007, at 17.56, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

>= ;  I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping h= is
> playing (why would he need to when he's capable of so much w= ithout
> the tech?).  I could be wrong though.
>
> Pierre = Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well
> worth = checking out.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Lurkers Delight= syndrome has served me and I'm sure many others
> very well. Welcome! Oddly, I haven't heard all that many high<= br>> profile fingerstyle guitarists utilize looping technology. A couple=
> that come to mind are Richard Thompson (he uses looping quite a bi= t
> live, or at least has in the past =96 you might be able to find so= me
> stuff on youtube),
>



------=_Part_1651_6644677.1197652790319-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:27:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 239423BF08; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=GNcYQ4wu/IHnIlYSvlhOdBNF+nfHJt7YBEE6HKviBroTAxce9kajMtzBgI8j0Qn1mDXL5WxVtv9X+EYqx32+3lNoj/utQnZauyvtS30Tiq0lkJlUUBOrjm6sgkeYRYvW8uT7evGr7AMMJXCw2AIegrgkYaNVU/BmSZsjRjZUA/M= ; X-YMail-OSG: nST_o7oVM1k8uLPAcjZyTHVaSJDihyhBkXa8P8x_sect6Qt1K0xrHhCu8QlaFFdI0dtJKnJJjn4b0sz6CEd3vVsKkZzXaPvuM5mR1BiJGMkfe1f4u7RDBmje4LE- Message-ID: <000c01c83e76$97e48ca0$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <001c01c83e25$ebf6c7f0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Y2K7 VIDEOS online: Barry Cleveland and Mojow and the Vibration Army Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:27:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071213-0, 13/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Great footage, Rick. Just googling the "Loop fest" there, is there one planned for 2008? I'd really like to attend. Any info would be greatly appreciated! Ricky p.s. New track up on the Myspace that I did for the BBC last year using the Looper on the Line 6 DL4 - "1314" - Great piece of kit. www.myspace.com/rickygraham - comments most welcome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:49 AM Subject: Y2K7 VIDEOS online: Barry Cleveland and Mojow and the Vibration Army >m trucco, the professional videographer who documented much of the Y2k7 >festival has begun to put the resultant videos on line. > > He and his partner did a wonderful job entirely without pay (as did many > other people who contributed to the festival) > so I wanted to thank them for their expertise and hardwork and > selflessness in serving this community. > > Rick Walker > > The first artists covered are > Barry Cleveland > > 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NDlOmIgbHo&feature=user > > 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unGUupwgYEU&feature=user > > 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=460KQi8KHHQ&feature=user > > 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCFns3asg2w&feature=user > > and > Mojow and the Vibration Army > > 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA27ZzI04XA&feature=user > > 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCo2kMI_MG8&feature=user > > 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mhaHxLbJB4&feature=user > > 4) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEtEqg2R-00&feature=user > > 5) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJkn1mfUZgg&feature=user > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 17:47:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C8F33BF17; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4762C1A3.7070307@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:47:15 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted References: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Sweet!! congrats, Rick, great long article. Nice how there's a lot of info toward helping people get started looping. I don't know if I'd agree that "skill level almost doesn't matter", but I think I get the point. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I just got permission to post the wonderful article on > live looping that appeared in the September 2007 issue > of DRUM! Magazine that featured a contrast between > the all composed style of my dear friend, the amazing Kid Beyond > and the all improv style of yours truly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 18:14:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70A033BF13; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VXNd1o4Wc6I47i/UaqwEb6PnUQ5PIXD7UfuImqmebEo=; b=T+w/iofTNA4W03fuwRVdx6YeVImfSLWjcKat44DWC49z2t0UOslziyCNTLRO3YsKb5ptuWjkNdm/wQX/mMYQjmAQYJPbyRGFsuVMv4SWqtzj5q6daV/NR/ZNswI32+nY8RhNax+Jx2wL0+o9+AbdhF8ncjhzlkU398U8XW/TF6s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=vajv0CfEwMG4t8gLG6WkxlG8Coetptzo2eYGGVTen95FqhQndSPFHYZ1zdnedOxIfJMR3jhnuUjDHwT9+b16MUW9e/yMNj8puEN7A8PMRpm15isp0icxefc2juCD7CQoeWwDAhmITDUMQ296J3sesBhuRXko5nHLlgyI+P6eYiY= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:14:09 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question In-Reply-To: <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <332908fc0712130952g27c41459q991cb18b03960ce@mail.gmail.com> <002301c83e13$dbc06920$60041718@gwdesk> <37f071c00712140856x359f6327p4cc9b0b40e0009e3@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Thompson's never looped, Bensusan used to a little bit (tc 2290 and maybe JamMan) but has stopped for the most part. Phil Keaggy does a lot of looping (DL4 and JamMan). On Dec 14, 2007 8:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his playing (why > would he need to when he's capable of so much without the tech?). I could > be wrong though. > > Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well worth > checking out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 19:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED8533BF0E; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <4762C1A3.7070307@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <4762C1A3.7070307@mhorse.com> Subject: RE: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:51:51 -0800 Message-ID: <001101c83e8a$c5fe1070$51fa3150$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acg+eZ081RQoZZ0fTJy42lx1KzV+dAAEOOJg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Ddf20034600002220.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <9SRs5B.A.frD.b7tYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:55 +0000 (UTC) I was hugely relieved to read that "Skill level almost doesn't matter"! Whew! That's great news for me! Seriously, great article and photo, Congratulations Rick! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Daryl Shawn [mailto:highhorse@mhorse.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:47 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted Sweet!! congrats, Rick, great long article. Nice how there's a lot of info toward helping people get started looping. I don't know if I'd agree that "skill level almost doesn't matter", but I think I get the point. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I just got permission to post the wonderful article on > live looping that appeared in the September 2007 issue > of DRUM! Magazine that featured a contrast between > the all composed style of my dear friend, the amazing Kid Beyond > and the all improv style of yours truly. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 21:05:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 758AA3BF10; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=FwyePkOWkaeyHIqh_vsA:9 a=hOvErWTKBjesGpa6r5Q4J9PA9W4A:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Intro and question Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:05:18 -0800 Message-ID: <000901c83e95$087e18f0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acg+fSMNhnwfwbVCTbGi+KdMRH+MQgAFzfcg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi Travis, Thanks for pointing out my MAJOR error. I was thinking of Phil Keaggy (an amazing player and writer), and erroneously and impertinently confused him with Richard Thompson. Probably not my first major foul on the LD list, and probably not the last. Thanks for setting it all straight. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Travis Hartnett [mailto:travishartnett@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 10:14 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question Thompson's never looped, Bensusan used to a little bit (tc 2290 and maybe JamMan) but has stopped for the most part. Phil Keaggy does a lot of looping (DL4 and JamMan). On Dec 14, 2007 8:56 AM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > > I don't think I've ever heard of Richard Thompson looping his playing (why > would he need to when he's capable of so much without the tech?). I could > be wrong though. > > Pierre Bensusan is definitely a looping finger style guitarist well worth > checking out. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 21:07:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88C913BF14; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rzwhJMbhByL3IqV7v/0qeoX6/wAkDn0GPNqaDzt23AU=; b=RgANm6OqVLWmv/qYpVJBTv8Ts5jg+AMakcjgonJw3hmuBLwjgnlQJxb/bkYXxdIoWTzOV9hkl4KN32JxCogXIJXJvAsZpmX9PoNWcS2clpAGvWiR0ILqNKeuHYyuOfzM7YQIJ/d+P+ChjChYUnqtjGQmJ44q6zRvGb9KEaJCnGI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XtV89Lx/8t5FTtSuAvld3A7qj7btSY66QQaqfRQN2hZSn1FKMNkDhO2jxpHZBx61GAqARi9OVhDnBGorQcSsTV0n/TqoAG1Jhc3n2yol4Tb11Xf64utfxGICUgZ2cp4BB9uuq0Ugm5o13Bps3Txwlyk+rElyz8voWC19EOl9pFg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:07:32 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question In-Reply-To: <000901c83e95$087e18f0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c83e95$087e18f0$60041718@gwdesk> Resent-Message-ID: <9nFy7.A.nbG.WCvYHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:07:34 +0000 (UTC) The beret throws everyone. RT's the tall one, PK's not. On Dec 14, 2007 1:05 PM, greg williams wrote: > Hi Travis, > > Thanks for pointing out my MAJOR error. I was thinking of Phil Keaggy (an > amazing player and writer), and erroneously and impertinently confused him > with Richard Thompson. Probably not my first major foul on the LD list, and > probably not the last. Thanks for setting it all straight. > > ~Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 21:43:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5513BF0C; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4762F8F4.4050703@imt.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:43:16 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question References: <000901c83e95$087e18f0$60041718@gwdesk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Keaggy was the first looping artist I encountered I believe. That guy is one of the best all around guitarists to ever live i do believe. The only reason he isn't better known is....a lot of his work appears on Christian labels. He is the most stanking awesome live performer though...if you ever get a chance do not miss him. -bob Travis Hartnett wrote: >The beret throws everyone. RT's the tall one, PK's not. > >On Dec 14, 2007 1:05 PM, greg williams wrote: > > >>Hi Travis, >> >>Thanks for pointing out my MAJOR error. I was thinking of Phil Keaggy (an >>amazing player and writer), and erroneously and impertinently confused him >>with Richard Thompson. Probably not my first major foul on the LD list, and >>probably not the last. Thanks for setting it all straight. >> >>~Greg >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 21:48:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1ABA3BF11; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8J2i54WIQtSeUKbd2YJ2czCjf2wNfRCssAXMopncc70=; b=mrPNPQWiq0pchnpGl/d6EcPInP7DIye6UNmhA4RgCHPXoU6H5arY/i15BF2ZMM5+WWSndbnPlnGZ7WanASJl9TI9WutT6rOBx09OCLf0Q9tS4G2NT1hDXwcUyl9s7Z62itoGgjgFshMKDZ5fdMiyXVhkECie13s04dPIBWpvu7c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eGV8Ry88nO55xyqQ+UtuuOmjc18fbSFA05fO9TLzQnPcLJMYP2bzAQSxKc9sl4Vbe3jaLdjP/3ClOi+/prGZwzlSL2062VOW7J8syo2QLX3AI/x6biOx0ld4DSIu1nwz8cl6X02sVY7OzOAkmO3Ot2RwvvzkrTzognsphcnteFo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:48:37 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Intro and question In-Reply-To: <4762F8F4.4050703@imt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <000901c83e95$087e18f0$60041718@gwdesk> <4762F8F4.4050703@imt.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:48:38 +0000 (UTC) He put out an excellent concert DVD a few years back, called something like "Philly in Philly" which has tons of looping. Highly recommended. On Dec 14, 2007 1:43 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > Keaggy was the first looping artist I encountered I believe. That guy is > one of the best all around guitarists to ever live i do believe. The > only reason he isn't better known is....a lot of his work appears on > Christian labels. He is the most stanking awesome live performer > though...if you ever get a chance do not miss him. -bob > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 14 21:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76FAD3BF12; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gWzNsnwNoxsA:10 a=bTKCoU1RAAAA:8 a=xaB9Im4bGbvm2AC1nhsA:9 a=G1bF3bnLKWCF7SZN9rQA:7 a=220o4ASFOGTrUp-cRTkWa3X5zskA:4 a=nVyHOB06ef0A:10 a=P4Jbjos8QwkA:10 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=LVFWH4gLBqYA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:59:33 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c83e9c$9c392470$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <001601c83e4c$373e1030$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Thread-Index: Acg+TD17aoyYQIQwRoWTIkfff1IZSQATO3og Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Great and substantive article Rick. I particularly like how the writer completely avoids the phrase "one man band" or "one person band", and focuses on both your and Kid's musical approaches and processes. He managed to capture pretty succinctly some of your musical philosophy as well, IMO. Major Congratulations Rick, and just in time for the holidays! All the best, ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:24 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: DRUM! Magazine article on LIVE LOOPING posted I just got permission to post the wonderful article on live looping that appeared in the September 2007 issue of DRUM! Magazine that featured a contrast between the all composed style of my dear friend, the amazing Kid Beyond and the all improv style of yours truly. Norm Weinberg did a wonderful job on a primer article and I think it may be the biggest article on live looping yet in a national magazine. Check it out: www.looppool.info/DRUM!_looping_article and thanks Norm for all the energy and talent you put into this wonderful article. In my forty years as a drummer, this is the first time I"ve ever been in a national drumming magazine and I"m just like a little kid in a candy shop......very, very excited! yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 01:08:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2D253BF1F; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:08:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:07:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071210-0, 10/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:08:04 +0000 (UTC) I can't hold back any longer. My sweetie and I went to see Jethro Tull a couple of weeks ago, and I ended up chatting with the sound guy afterwards. Very pro stuff supplied by 8th Day Sound, Yamaha PM5D-RH mixer at FOH, flown line array, etc., etc., etc.. The soundie's big gripe? Ian Anderson was using an SM58 for vocals and a Beta 54 for flute, run into a tiny Behringer mixer which fed a pair of Zoom pedals for reverb and delay. That was returned to the mixer, and the output of THAT was sent to FOH. In all, it sounded pretty good, except for Ian's voice dropping out when he moved at all off mic. Dave O'Heare oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Buzap Buzap" To: Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:19 AM Subject: Re: Zoom G2 vs Digitech RP150 >> Makes perfect sense. These pedals are what, 100 bucks? > well, imo the Zoom G2 sounds much better than 100 bucks. > Of course, you cannot expect top-of-the-class compression or reverb. > But the basic effects are really good and sound excellent. > >> >Zoom doesn't do acoustic >> >well, but they probably do better at electric sounds I'm guessing. > > It would be also my first guess to use the Zoom pedal for grunge guitar > rather than country folk. However, sometimes I'm not sure if it is the > effects or the default patches configured maybe by a progressive rock > guitarist (instead of a nashville singer/guitarist). Generally, I have > that problem also with "European versus Asian" sound style on keyboard > patches. The first preferring more warm/mellow the latter more > bright/clear sounds. > > I had good results for acoustic fx with the Zoom G2 when using it in a > very subtle way. (default patches were horrible and sounded like > "plastic"). > > > Buzap > > -- > Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! > Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 03:22:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 190C93BF1B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:22:42 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c83ec9$c154ae00$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83E86.B3316E00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg+ycDMs5q9URTEQwm7X+uWI/Lo/A== Resent-Message-ID: <3ou8eC.A.XWC.Ei0YHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:22:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83E86.B3316E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the last few years I've been pairing back my effects usage while my Looping has continued to become more complex. With my move to the Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, I've found less and less need for complex effects processing, and I'm sure it's also a matter of my tastes changing as well. I used to be a chronic chorus and modulation abuser. At one time I even had a dedicated intelligent pitch shifter, the Digiitech IPS33B. These days my tastes run to clean guitar, a couple of flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, tap tempo delay (preferably of the ducking variety), and good reverb. Recently I dedicated my trusty TC model 1 to my acoustic guitar rig, and went looking for a worthy replacement for my electric rig. After reading a couple of reviews, I bought the entry level TC G-Sharp, a strait forward 24 bit dual engine DSP (god I sound like a car salesman). The G-sharp sounds fantastic, has great headroom and transparency, and has front panel knobs for on the fly tweaking. It does an excellent job of 2290 style dynamic (ducking) delay, but its tape simulation and lo-fi delay are just as convincing. The reverbs are also wonderful sounding, even concert hall verbs never get artificial sounding, and there is a color knob that lets you darken the reverb's tone. My only complaint is that you can't increase feedback to the point on oscillation like you can on delays like the line 6 DL-4, but since I rarely do that, it's a minor complaint. Also, you have a choice of either delay or modulation effects (excellent BTW), not both simultaneously, as they share the same engine, and there isn't a modulation delay algorithm, but I really don't miss that.. Otherwise, this is an astonishingly good sounding effects unit, it doesn't have many bells and whistles , but its tweak-able like a floor effect, and what it does, it does very well. I also bought a G Switch to control the G-sharp. This was a major disappointment for me as I'm used to tapping tempo with a non latching momentary style switch. The G-Switch claims to have momentary switches, hell it even says so right on the box," Triple Momentary Switch Elements", but the switches obviously have a very loud clicking latch type feel and sound, rendering tap tempo clumsy, with the added insult of sounding like a hoard hostile locusts cueing up for a swarm. I don't know what they were thinking, I thought it was a mistake actually, I e-mailed the nice folks at TC, and after getting a, " well, it works with my TC Helicon" response, I took the guys advice and tried another manufacturers triple footswitch pedal. Luckily my Digitech footswitch works fine with the G-Sharp, and is half the size and weight of the TC G- switch. Now I'm stuck with this clunky, noisy, bulky behemoth of a footswitch. If this sounds appealing to anyone out there, I'll let it go cheap :-) So I have paired my looping rig down too a Keeley compressor, a mesa formula preamp, the G-sharp, and the Looperlative, with a midi controller, and two pedals to channel switch the boogie and control the G-Sharp. At Y2K7 I essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big stomp box pedal board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at the end of my set I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of a revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy setting up a mountain of gear only to not use half of it. The other revelation that is somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C83E86.B3316E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

  For the last few years I’ve been pairing = back my effects usage while my Looping has continued to become more complex. = With my move to the Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, = I’ve found less and less need for complex effects  processing, and = I’m sure it’s also a matter of my tastes changing as well. I used to be a chronic = chorus and modulation abuser. At one time I even had a dedicated intelligent pitch shifter, the Digiitech IPS33B. These days my tastes run to clean guitar, = a couple of flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, tap tempo = delay (preferably of the ducking variety), and good reverb. Recently I dedicated my trusty = TC model 1 to my acoustic guitar rig, and went looking for a worthy replacement = for my electric rig. After reading a couple of reviews, I bought the entry level TC = G-Sharp, a strait forward 24 bit dual engine DSP (god I sound like a car salesman). = The G-sharp sounds fantastic, has great headroom and transparency, and has = front panel knobs for on the fly tweaking.  It does an excellent =  job of 2290 style dynamic (ducking) delay, but its tape simulation and lo-fi delay are = just as convincing. The reverbs are also wonderful sounding, even concert hall = verbs never get artificial sounding, and there is a color knob that lets you = darken the reverb’s tone.  My only complaint is that you can’t = increase feedback to the point on oscillation like you can on delays like the = line 6 DL-4, but since I rarely do that, it’s a minor complaint. Also, = you have a choice of either delay or modulation effects (excellent BTW), =  not both simultaneously, as they share the same engine, and there isn’t a modulation delay algorithm, but I really don’t miss that.. = Otherwise, this is an astonishingly good sounding effects unit, it doesn’t = have many bells and whistles , but its tweak-able like a floor effect, and what it = does, it does very well.

 I also bought a G Switch to control the = G-sharp. This was a major disappointment for me as I’m used to tapping tempo with a = non latching momentary style switch. The G-Switch claims to have momentary switches, hell it even says so right on the box,” Triple Momentary = Switch Elements”, but the switches obviously have a very loud clicking = latch type feel and sound, rendering tap tempo clumsy, with the added insult = of sounding like a hoard hostile locusts cueing up for a swarm. I = don’t know what they were thinking, I thought it was a mistake actually, I e-mailed = the nice folks at TC, and after getting a, ” well,  it works with = my TC Helicon” response,        =  I took the guys advice and tried another manufacturers triple footswitch pedal. Luckily my Digitech footswitch works fine with = the G-Sharp, and is half the size and weight of the TC G- switch. Now = I’m stuck with this clunky, noisy, bulky behemoth of a footswitch.  If = this sounds appealing to anyone out there,  I’ll let it go cheap = J

So I have paired my looping rig down too a Keeley = compressor, a mesa formula preamp, the G-sharp, and the Looperlative, with a midi controller, and two pedals to channel switch the boogie and control the G-Sharp. At Y2K7 I essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big = stomp box pedal board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at = the end of my set I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of = a revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy setting up a = mountain of gear only to not use half of it.  The other revelation that is = somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and = spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. =  

Bill

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--0-2123210094-1197694264=:81265-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 09:55:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D635F3BF20; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=oNFZNCwBjy2wxkAly6/t5EWV2VP6f4rBNUQ//HGV6Y93B3nlv17j5VAznEXct8oKx49ejEqqVYVTqez7c7PoNZXNQz/Zs1zISC7oRfLdVL8wa4wHYP8dAJZ2a/Ye3xi0q67h6vtwepZT9vXnLfSCPNEPi78QKm/pZ6vnOmiYBVU=; X-YMail-OSG: R_gf2UEVM1nNFZ1mU3.HEAAdk2UmDo6NT2KmbCW5UKtbdT1Bj5qSo.qmZe0IvYG4OA-- Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:55:07 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE To: billwalker@baymoon.com Cc: Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <000001c83ec9$c154ae00$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <482893.13181.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <01cXMC.A.A3F.9R6YHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Brother thanx for such a mail! What you are going through is exactly what i am going through,i sold my GP100 and for acoustic lately i just use reverb,the echoplex and the DL4 and thats enough to keep you busy for years!but for electric i am still on ther hunt,ever since ive been playing with boutique analog pedals i am so happy that it makes it hard to go back to digital.Another thing i realized is that with multi efx boxes there is always preset,patch,bank and efx chain pre programing thinking involved which takes a bit of the spontanety of turning a stomp box on and off.There is always an efx chain that is missing one of the efx,so i have program a different bank etc.which at the end makes you start tapdancing as well!all this cab simulators etc.they are certainly fascinating for recording but live how many do you really need?like you,ive found that i mostly use no more than 5 efx, and with multi FX is endless tweaking and at the end i still use about the same amount!i also find myself lately playing more without them. The g-sharp for acoustic huh? gotta check it out... So people gotta get ready to go see Fink tonight! cheers Luis --- William Walker wrote: > For the last few years I've been pairing back my > effects usage while my > Looping has continued to become more complex. With > my move to the > Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, > I've found less and less > need for complex effects processing, and I'm sure > it's also a matter of my > tastes changing as well. I used to be a chronic > chorus and modulation > abuser. At one time I even had a dedicated > intelligent pitch shifter, the > Digiitech IPS33B. These days my tastes run to clean > guitar, a couple of > flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, > tap tempo delay > (preferably of the ducking variety), and good > reverb. Recently I dedicated > my trusty TC model 1 to my acoustic guitar rig, and > went looking for a > worthy replacement for my electric rig. After > reading a couple of reviews, I > bought the entry level TC G-Sharp, a strait forward > 24 bit dual engine DSP > (god I sound like a car salesman). The G-sharp > sounds fantastic, has great > headroom and transparency, and has front panel knobs > for on the fly > tweaking. It does an excellent job of 2290 style > dynamic (ducking) delay, > but its tape simulation and lo-fi delay are just as > convincing. The reverbs > are also wonderful sounding, even concert hall verbs > never get artificial > sounding, and there is a color knob that lets you > darken the reverb's tone. > My only complaint is that you can't increase > feedback to the point on > oscillation like you can on delays like the line 6 > DL-4, but since I rarely > do that, it's a minor complaint. Also, you have a > choice of either delay or > modulation effects (excellent BTW), not both > simultaneously, as they share > the same engine, and there isn't a modulation delay > algorithm, but I really > don't miss that.. Otherwise, this is an > astonishingly good sounding effects > unit, it doesn't have many bells and whistles , but > its tweak-able like a > floor effect, and what it does, it does very well. > > I also bought a G Switch to control the G-sharp. > This was a major > disappointment for me as I'm used to tapping tempo > with a non latching > momentary style switch. The G-Switch claims to have > momentary switches, hell > it even says so right on the box," Triple Momentary > Switch Elements", but > the switches obviously have a very loud clicking > latch type feel and sound, > rendering tap tempo clumsy, with the added insult of > sounding like a hoard > hostile locusts cueing up for a swarm. I don't know > what they were thinking, > I thought it was a mistake actually, I e-mailed the > nice folks at TC, and > after getting a, " well, it works with my TC > Helicon" response, I > took the guys advice and tried another manufacturers > triple footswitch > pedal. Luckily my Digitech footswitch works fine > with the G-Sharp, and is > half the size and weight of the TC G- switch. Now > I'm stuck with this > clunky, noisy, bulky behemoth of a footswitch. If > this sounds appealing to > anyone out there, I'll let it go cheap :-) > > So I have paired my looping rig down too a Keeley > compressor, a mesa formula > preamp, the G-sharp, and the Looperlative, with a > midi controller, and two > pedals to channel switch the boogie and control the > G-Sharp. At Y2K7 I > essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big > stomp box pedal board, > that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized > at the end of my set I > had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had > a bit of a revelation > that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy > setting up a mountain of > gear only to not use half of it. The other > revelation that is somewhat > obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up > playing more music and > spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound > design. > > Bill > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 11:01:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FBE03BF19; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:01:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1242 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:01:09 UTC From: eterogeneo Reply-To: eterogeneo To: Subject: LESSISMORE (was TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:39:00 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC e-mail Versione 2.10 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:01:10 +0000 (UTC) > At Y2K7 I essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big stomp box pedal board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at the end of my set I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of a revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy setting up a mountain of gear only to not use half of it. The other revelation that is somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. This topic sounds similar to the recent "computer suck creative energy", but on the hardware side, funny ! Bill, first of all i have to say that your set was really amazing for my taste, despite the unfortunate PA troubles. What expecially i liked was listening to the music flow. Before the Y2K7, i just heard some clips of you playing at the Y2K6, but seeing you play live was very different, because i perceived that "magic touch" on your fingers... In the past i had complex setting rigs, but in the last year i'm "minimizing" it (quoting Kris ;-), because me too has discovered that,reducing the available options, you could concentrate more on Music (i would intend: touch, colors, phrasing, etc...). I think that another example, in the same direction, was Randolff. For what i remember, his set rig wasn't complex (RC50, FCB 1010 and an fx processor ?), but his act was musically warm and captured the audience attention. Other example like Zoe and others could be done. 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FROM THE DESK OF USMAN LAMINE
BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER
FOREIGN REMITTANCE DEPT.
BANK OF AFR= ICA (BOA) OF BURKINA
OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO    &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;           
TE= L,(00226-78 85 82 81.
 
Dear Friend,
 
ASSALAM-U-ALAIKUM.
 
I am the manager of bill and exchange at the foreign remittance depart= ment in the BANK OF AFRICA (BOA) OF BURKINA FASO OUAGADOUGOU, BURKINA FASO.=
 
I am writing,following the impressive information about you through on= e of my friend. He assured me of your capability and releability to champio= n this business opportunity.
 
In my department we discovered an abandoned sum of U.S$10.5M US dollar= s (TEN Million five hundred US dollars) in an account that belongs to one o= f our foreign customer who died along with his entire family in DECEMBER 20= 03 in a plane crash.Since we got information about his death, we have been = expecting his next of kin to come over and claim his money because we canno= t release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to t= he deceased as indicated in our banking guidlines and laws but unfortunatel= y we learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside wi= th him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claim.
 
It is therefore upon this discovery that I  in my department now = decided to make this business proposal to you and release the money to you = as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and subsequent di= sbursement since nobody is coming for it and i don't want this money to go = into the bank treasury as unclaimed bill.
 
The banking law and guidline here stipulates that if such money remain= ed unclaimed after five years, the money will be transfered into the bank t= reasury as unclaimed fund.
 
The request of foreign as next of kin in this business is occassioned = by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Burkinabe can not stand= as next of kin to a foreigner.
 
We agree that 30% of this money will be for you as a foreign partner, = in respect to the provision of a foreign account, 5%will be set aside for e= xpenses incured during the business and 65% would befor me and my colleague= s.
 
There after I and my family will visit your country for disbursement a= ccording to the percentages indicated.Therefore,to enable the immediate tra= nsfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as = relation or next of kin to the deceased indicating your bank name, your ban= k account number,your private telephone and fax number for easy and effecti= ve communication and location where in the money will be remitted.
 
Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you by fax or e-mail the te= xt of the application.
 
I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch= -free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required ar= rangements have been made for the transfer.
 
You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter f= or more explanations.
 
Yours faithfully,
USMAN LAMINE
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 16:19:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 708053BF25; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=q3mQaH/8sFzQ2KDf7VYrobWI52k1kB/vfyar0A3Je/A=; b=BSGhTNDyJSDUy9UPiEZHZXDy1XyO/7n4hcp4+upDdJOG5gJj0aqqWcDYWwNgpD0lsacDhYTn6jem88Es5PYwKvr0WdOL2/a0wpXqrwVLudYbDgz6zRlkQpnVJDyeG+4ptbsOtWyO9kDw61LWl0yvxBFXkX6dyyy9QxEs97IkEvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XdtUp+hnt6LtATvxWHuyfQnLnJ8ijz1WwBeum/XhWVi0rUmQjhssenEEEO5bqDJduJjWTSQENdq1bQmbqX/O6DfIkv0R4vEWHdx/0t+pbeBDevMnG0s6HyPnzrTJVD2hl9s/LONqFuTRwOOZekfr5FnRQJKaMaA+DzUESFY36f8= Message-ID: <3fa302e30712150819w5755b33dy775f7d3515a3fa3e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:19:01 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4049_11259190.1197735541208" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:19:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4049_11259190.1197735541208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Regarding ground loop problems. Since you've plugged the suspect EDP into a different amp and had the problem go away, there's confirmation that your problem results from a combination of other units plugged into your mixer. First off, unplug all other units from your mixer. (I know this may be a hassle if it's all patched in a big rack or something like that, but you need to do this.) No you can test the suspect EDP with out any other units. This isolates your EDP. If the hum goes away, you can quit opening up and potentially damaging the EDP and focus on where the problem truly lies. It may be as simple as lifting the ground on 1 or more of any of the hardware you attach to your mixer. Good luck! On Dec 13, 2007 7:22 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > > To all that responded... > Thank you!!! > > seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thanks > > Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will come of the info said > here, but at least I have the hope of some new options. > > to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, god bless google) and > have probably had this unit apart more often then is healthy for someone > with my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already in my minds eye think of > some screws that might not be making good connections etc. > cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit more!! > > thanks all Phill > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: matilists@atarde.com.br > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:27 -0300 > > > this looks like a ground loop kind of problem. as a first test, I would > try without the mains ground connection. > possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is one > too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or spots > where there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended. > > > On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote: > > Another trying week another email to the list. > > I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am asking other > for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge > email, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and their problems > and feel you may have new light to shed, please try contribute before I > litterally run out of options. > > I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise trouble > that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three). > > basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the > power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on and > can be raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa system > > hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no > differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change to > the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i can > record a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted. > > tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose > the problem... > > 1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with echoplex3 > (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all > combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms from noisy echoplex > 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the roms and ram of echoplex3 > without any lowering or change of hum (therefore i can rule out ram and roms > as culprits) > > 2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off > echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise > problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice. > I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and > clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the > problem?? > > 3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY > jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is > constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously > there is a whining of the clock). > > 4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go > away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs > (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB > the same channels and settings with my other echoplex's...the others are > aways quiet...echoplex2 is always noisy...however in the practice amp things > sound as clean as a whistle on all units? > > I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic > unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the > echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a > product it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal. > > Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might > be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or forward this > onto them. > > > Love and Warm wishes > > Phill MyOneManBand Wilson > > ------------------------------ > Sounds like? How many syllables? Guess and win prizes with Search > Charades! > > > > ------------------------------ > Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! > -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4049_11259190.1197735541208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Regarding ground loop problems.  Since you've plugged the suspect EDP into a different amp and had the problem go away, there's confirmation that your problem results from a combination of other units plugged into your mixer.

First off, unplug all other units from your mixer. (I know this may be a hassle if it's all patched in a big rack or something like that, but you need to do this.)  No you can test the suspect EDP with out any other units. This isolates your EDP. If the hum goes away, you can quit opening up and potentially damaging the EDP and focus on where the problem truly lies.  It may be as simple as lifting the ground on 1 or more of any of the hardware you attach to your mixer. 

Good luck!

On Dec 13, 2007 7:22 AM, phillip wilson <phillwilson@hotmail.com> wrote:

To all that responded...
Thank you!!!
 
seriously, from the bottom of my heart, thanks
 
Im sat at work now so i can't say it anything will come of the info said here, but at least I have the hope of some new options.
 
to my shame, i know nothing about grounding (yet, god bless google)  and have probably had this unit apart more often then is healthy for someone with my obvious knowlage blackspots. I can already in my minds eye think of some screws that might not be making good connections etc.
cant wait t o get home and fiddle around a bit more!!
 
thanks all Phill
 
 

 
From: matilists@atarde.com.br
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: The frustrating world of echoplex ownership
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:27 -0300


this looks like a ground loop kind of problem.
as a first test, I would try without the mains ground connection.
possibly there is some internal ground connection lacking or there is one too much. Look for screws that should make contact with the PCB or spots where there is a contact with the chassis which was not intended.


On 11 Dec 2007, at 22:15, phillip wilson wrote:

Another trying week another email to the list.
 
I am begining to feel guilty for the amount of help i am  asking other for, however I dont know where else to turn. I know this is a super-huge email, but please,if you know anything about echoplex's and their problems and feel you may have new light to shed, please try contribute before I litterally run out of options.
 
I have just spent the whole night determined to iron out the noise trouble that has plagued black echoplex pro plus (my second of three).
 
basically it makes a huge amount of hum all the time from the moment the power cord is plugged in. this noise rises as the unit is switched on and can be  raised and lowered by adjusting the volume of the pa system  
 
hower no matter how the in and output volume pots are set, it makes no differance, also turning the balance from loop to input makes no change to the hum. the actual fidelity of the audio behind the hum is fine, i can record a loop and the loop itself is clear and undistorted.
 
tonight I have made some more discoveries that may help someone diagnose the problem...
 
1. i have had the roms and ram out of this unit and swapped with echoplex3 (yes the one that doesnt synch cos of crystals!!) anyways, i have tried all combinations and echoplex three accepts the ram and roms from noisy echoplex 2 without any incresed hum...echoplex2 now has the roms and ram of echoplex3 without any lowering or change of hum (therefore i can rule out ram and roms as culprits)  
 
2. I was really persistant and managed to get those damn shields off echoplex2 and gently pressed the two square chips (this cured a noise problem with echoplex1 back in the day)...no dice.
I dont have the correct tools to completly remove these chips and clean.reseat so this is still a potential area that may harbour the problem??
 
3. I found that I can connect a lead to the pa and put my lead into ANY jack round the back, input,output,footpedal,feedback etc ...the hum is constant across ALL of the jacks (exceot the synch ones where obviously there is a whining of the clock).
 
4. If i plug into my little practice amp the problem APPEARS to go away...that is to say I can plug echoplex2 into any of the four pa inputs (and its a new one) , or into other pa's (my friends,my clubs etc) and AB the same channels and settings with my other echoplex's...the others are aways quiet...echoplex2 is always noisy...however in the practice amp things sound as clean as a whistle on all units?
 
I don't think i have EVER stuck with such an unreliable and problematic unit type for so long...ever... that is more testement to just how GOOD the echoplex can be, i love the way it works , when it works..however as a product it appears that all echoplex's are NOT created equal.
 
Thanks so much for reading this far, if anyone knows anyone else who might be able to shed light on this situation, please email me or forward this onto them.
 

Love and Warm wishes
 
Phill MyOneManBand Wilson

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"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_4049_11259190.1197735541208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 18:26:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F1DF3BF1D; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <8CA0267B-9634-4E75-867D-5D95F8FAB911@steve-lawson.co.uk> From: Steve Lawson To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:26:48 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <5Iy6rD.A.SMG.txBZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:26:53 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to me doing mostly plane/train travel to gigs this year, my gig has gone from being a 6 space mixer rack with Mackie Desk, 2 MPX-G2s, Looperlative and Kaoss Pad down to just the LP1, one G2 and an ART preamp. If I need to loop a mic as well, I put a Sampson S-mix in between the Looperlative and the G2... Like you, Bill, I find that I need less sound processing options thanks to the arrangement options in the Looperlative... If my Kaoss Pad was working, I'd still be using it, but I'm definitely not in a position to have more than a 3-space rack with my stuff in it... I am tempted to get one of the tiny Tapco desks, as it's possible to use the headphone out and the tape return as a stereo FX loop, albeit one that everything goes through... cheers Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 18:39:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40FD33BF27; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9tbzTbCwJSIA:10 a=o5NS8RRR9XqZ7qiL5AEA:9 a=TthdnGeQSaSXxpmm0NIA:7 a=RDucm8wghjN1faFQfPjBETl_NVIA:4 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=mJ3tZ_SREIyopD2jAGUA:9 a=M-p78BLV5uHSQUh-x1kA:7 a=MLDmKz6KlyfnQP_6Gnb4pZS8AvoA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:39:47 -0800 Message-ID: <000301c83f49$dedee050$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C83F06.D0BBA050" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <000001c83ec9$c154ae00$6401a8c0@williamsteed> Thread-Index: Acg+ycDMs5q9URTEQwm7X+uWI/Lo/AAgAtbg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:39:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C83F06.D0BBA050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sharing your ongoing process Bill. You sound happy with your streamlined rig, and I'm sure that your lower back will be a lot happier too :-) > The other revelation that is somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. The things I loved most about your Y2K7 set had nothing to do with sound design my man. AARRGGH! Why do you people have to bring this stuff up while I'm trying to get my head around new gear and pedalboard controller moves?! Cruel, cruel loopers! :-) Yours, ~Greg _____ From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE For the last few years I've been pairing back my effects usage while my Looping has continued to become more complex. With my move to the Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, I've found less and less need for complex effects processing, and I'm sure it's also a matter of my tastes changing as well. I used to be a chronic chorus and modulation abuser. At one time I even had a dedicated intelligent pitch shifter, the Digiitech IPS33B. These days my tastes run to clean guitar, a couple of flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, tap tempo delay (preferably of the ducking variety), and good reverb. Recently I dedicated my trusty TC model 1 to my acoustic guitar rig, and went looking for a worthy replacement for my electric rig. After reading a couple of reviews, I bought the entry level TC G-Sharp, a strait forward 24 bit dual engine DSP (god I sound like a car salesman). The G-sharp sounds fantastic, has great headroom and transparency, and has front panel knobs for on the fly tweaking. It does an excellent job of 2290 style dynamic (ducking) delay, but its tape simulation and lo-fi delay are just as convincing. The reverbs are also wonderful sounding, even concert hall verbs never get artificial sounding, and there is a color knob that lets you darken the reverb's tone. My only complaint is that you can't increase feedback to the point on oscillation like you can on delays like the line 6 DL-4, but since I rarely do that, it's a minor complaint. Also, you have a choice of either delay or modulation effects (excellent BTW), not both simultaneously, as they share the same engine, and there isn't a modulation delay algorithm, but I really don't miss that.. Otherwise, this is an astonishingly good sounding effects unit, it doesn't have many bells and whistles , but its tweak-able like a floor effect, and what it does, it does very well. I also bought a G Switch to control the G-sharp. This was a major disappointment for me as I'm used to tapping tempo with a non latching momentary style switch. The G-Switch claims to have momentary switches, hell it even says so right on the box," Triple Momentary Switch Elements", but the switches obviously have a very loud clicking latch type feel and sound, rendering tap tempo clumsy, with the added insult of sounding like a hoard hostile locusts cueing up for a swarm. I don't know what they were thinking, I thought it was a mistake actually, I e-mailed the nice folks at TC, and after getting a, " well, it works with my TC Helicon" response, I took the guys advice and tried another manufacturers triple footswitch pedal. Luckily my Digitech footswitch works fine with the G-Sharp, and is half the size and weight of the TC G- switch. Now I'm stuck with this clunky, noisy, bulky behemoth of a footswitch. If this sounds appealing to anyone out there, I'll let it go cheap :-) So I have paired my looping rig down too a Keeley compressor, a mesa formula preamp, the G-sharp, and the Looperlative, with a midi controller, and two pedals to channel switch the boogie and control the G-Sharp. At Y2K7 I essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big stomp box pedal board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at the end of my set I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of a revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy setting up a mountain of gear only to not use half of it. The other revelation that is somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C83F06.D0BBA050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for sharing your ongoing = process Bill. You sound happy with your streamlined rig, and I’m sure that = your lower back will be a lot happier too J

 

> The other revelation that is somewhat obvious is = that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music and spending less = time tweaking and thinking about sound design.

 

The things I loved most about your Y2K7 set had = nothing to do with sound design my man.

 

AARRGGH! Why do you people have to bring this stuff = up while I’m trying to get my head around new gear and pedalboard = controller moves?! Cruel, cruel loopers! J

 

Yours,

~Greg  

 

 

From: = William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com]
Sent: Friday, December = 14, 2007 7:23 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: TC Electronics G = Sharp, and LESSISMORE

 

  For the last few years I’ve been pairing = back my effects usage while my Looping has continued to become more complex. = With my move to the Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, = I’ve found less and less need for complex effects  processing, and I’m = sure it’s also a matter of my tastes changing as well. I used to be a = chronic chorus and modulation abuser. At one time I even had a dedicated = intelligent pitch shifter, the Digiitech IPS33B. These days my tastes run to clean = guitar, a couple of flavors of overdrive, sparing use of compression, tap tempo = delay (preferably of the ducking variety), and good reverb. Recently I = dedicated my trusty TC model 1 to my acoustic guitar rig, and went looking for a = worthy replacement for my electric rig. After reading a couple of reviews, I = bought the entry level TC G-Sharp, a strait forward 24 bit dual engine DSP (god = I sound like a car salesman). The G-sharp sounds fantastic, has great = headroom and transparency, and has front panel knobs for on the fly tweaking. =  It does an excellent  job of 2290 style dynamic (ducking) delay, but = its tape simulation and lo-fi delay are just as convincing. The reverbs are also wonderful sounding, even concert hall verbs never get artificial = sounding, and there is a color knob that lets you darken the reverb’s tone. =  My only complaint is that you can’t increase feedback to the point on oscillation like you can on delays like the line 6 DL-4, but since I = rarely do that, it’s a minor complaint. Also, you have a choice of either = delay or modulation effects (excellent BTW),  not both simultaneously, as = they share the same engine, and there isn’t a modulation delay = algorithm, but I really don’t miss that.. Otherwise, this is an astonishingly = good sounding effects unit, it doesn’t have many bells and whistles , = but its tweak-able like a floor effect, and what it does, it does very = well.

 I also bought a G Switch to control the = G-sharp. This was a major disappointment for me as I’m used to tapping tempo = with a non latching momentary style switch. The G-Switch claims to have momentary switches, hell it even says so right on the box,” Triple Momentary = Switch Elements”, but the switches obviously have a very loud clicking = latch type feel and sound, rendering tap tempo clumsy, with the added insult = of sounding like a hoard hostile locusts cueing up for a swarm. I = don’t know what they were thinking, I thought it was a mistake actually, I e-mailed = the nice folks at TC, and after getting a, ” well,  it works with = my TC Helicon” response,        =  I took the guys advice and tried another manufacturers triple footswitch pedal. Luckily my Digitech footswitch works fine with the G-Sharp, and is half = the size and weight of the TC G- switch. Now I’m stuck with this = clunky, noisy, bulky behemoth of a footswitch.  If this sounds appealing to = anyone out there,  I’ll let it go cheap J

So I have paired my looping rig down too a Keeley compressor, a mesa formula preamp, the G-sharp, and the Looperlative, = with a midi controller, and two pedals to channel switch the boogie and control = the G-Sharp. At Y2K7 I essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big = stomp box pedal board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at = the end of my set I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of = a revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy setting = up a mountain of gear only to not use half of it.  The other revelation = that is somewhat obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more = music and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. =  

Bill

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 19:45:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B8463BF2B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 419 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:45:11 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=KK59GIkeUXMA:10 a=t-IPkPogAAAA:8 a=RC022G9tNGre9eUiDH4A:9 a=q4b-O8JYlxq3vOmzPLX-yQwBSJUA:4 a=4W84yQIDYkUA:10 In-Reply-To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:38:13 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:45:12 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers, there is a video online of my performance from the pop!tech 2007 conference. it's free for download on itunes. track #13 in the video podcast. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? id=251125834 i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i think you might be the only people who understand that...i'm looking forward to the software version of the electrix repeater, so i can ditch hardware altogether and just travel with a cello and computer! ahh...dream on girl. happy freezing-cold-end-of-the-year-holidays to you all! celloly yours, zoe p.s. the podcasts of the other presenters are really worth watching by the way. carl honore, chris jordan...drink some coffee first... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:22:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA7133BF2F; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:22:02 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 70.5.253.17 In-Reply-To: <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: harryesq@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33161-STANDARD Message-Id: <8CA0D6F494A30FD-5EC-150F@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:22:06 +0000 (UTC) Tried to get the podcast but received a message that said not available=20 in the US. Is that pending? Harry -----Original Message----- From: info at zoekeating To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 2:38 pm Subject: midi controlled looping video on itunes hi loopers,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 there is a video online of my performance from the pop!tech 2007=20 conference. it's free for download on itunes. track #13 in the video=20 podcast.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=3D251125834= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi=20 triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i think you=20 might be the only people who understand that...i'm looking forward to=20 the software version of the electrix repeater, so i can ditch hardware=20 altogether and just travel with a cello and computer! ahh...dream on=20 girl.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 happy freezing-cold-end-of-the-year-holidays to you all!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 celloly yours, zoe=C2=A0 =C2=A0 p.s. the podcasts of the other presenters are really worth watching by=20 the way. carl honore, chris jordan...drink some coffee first...=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -=20 http://webmail.aol.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:33:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F1903BF28; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=ePhWx01AKTgyahpZaeyCW/UrTjMiNNkA5lZFdWMqvqo=; b=i09tzCsKmdTtqI0O1DNUroVFXVGN3LmN2I+mvUkC6hsb8Fqn+GS/bR2/LVQ+AHkblfpTJyLHElQqiSFQV62YWfIaq5gMO6XsIDzRy++a4uq5EH5o6wCL6KFa+KvPU82eZSzIaH/N0OmL8W77TCSb3whWRJXXrk+atI3vkPzAvKw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jvrHcmV2+kI5SgCD307jaRyw/LTyZG9BMEFDKF//CFHW5cV7bW8RaI7fdvYyAhFfL3ujWjiO7P3qqV49bpyxjiuKZhPDvP99vffRTPQ7dKUOWCObdeywLo0R2769NEgm95kHk5f1yg88FbC1jQw1HPKcHQOb0TIXRyamqfMaXM8= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0712151233p2e217682y2ec117f471eeda09@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:33:15 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes In-Reply-To: <8CA0D6F494A30FD-5EC-150F@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <8CA0D6F494A30FD-5EC-150F@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 000ab55109040880 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:33:19 +0000 (UTC) just make sure you paste the whole url.. mine was wrapped and i got the same message (except Norway) On Dec 15, 2007 9:22 PM, wrote: > Tried to get the podcast but received a message that said not available > in the US. Is that pending? > > Harry > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: info at zoekeating > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 2:38 pm > Subject: midi controlled looping video on itunes > > > > > > > hi loopers, > > > there is a video online of my performance from the pop!tech 2007 > conference. it's free for download on itunes. track #13 in the video > podcast. > > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=251125834 > > > i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi > triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i think you > might be the only people who understand that...i'm looking forward to > the software version of the electrix repeater, so i can ditch hardware > altogether and just travel with a cello and computer! ahh...dream on > girl. > > > happy freezing-cold-end-of-the-year-holidays to you all! > > > celloly yours, zoe > > > p.s. the podcasts of the other presenters are really worth watching by > the way. carl honore, chris jordan...drink some coffee first... > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - > http://webmail.aol.com > > -- www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:38:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1C793BF36; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:38:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=sxSErh2adTB07EEe2peSvo/BByIYEBynKkOUA3HdiTY=; b=G6e7FBABH/Ii1y0B6+5QvqhYN/Y7E35c8hpbP1t29e/jGP4vaGmOz0XUA2f7dDvXqFGu2K0m/D5cAjj3hXdIc6bhhQjcPxFJw67SUdrryS4Beno6C91Pvy25kf9h2lGycQeWTxY2CFZCOrVs0jDeDDqBNhtCh4qyIE4stNVcvLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=TxysyerrMYA7jueJ5uRgBgpKDTcOZpMIxleo7pqCi7bETpjj/qIMrbDQfT0JtbC1zmRCGM9bQzaNMqqYkC/sqaAlzszaEUyhA0F5jQAwWh5nQyDQzHmEO7gsVn5LyD/oNQ2YqcCPLB/Y2KaZDwYe3oX72Pm8f7Of1ImbKocY6Zw= In-Reply-To: <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:38:42 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-iJmN.A.DGD.ZtDZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:38:49 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2007, at 20.38, info at zoekeating wrote: > i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi > triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i think > you might be the only people who understand that... He, he... didn't I suggest that method to you last year? ;-) I used it a lot on Mac with Augustus Loop inside Ableton Live. But that was in pre Mobius time - another universe. > i'm looking forward to the software version of the electrix > repeater, so i can ditch hardware altogether and just travel with a > cello and computer! ahh...dream on girl. Yes. I'm so excited about that too. I don't think any looper can get better than Mobius, but on a Mac I'm able to get way better sound for EWI playing. I'd love to see that iTunes thing you mentioned, but it doesn't load. Maybe some territorial music and market rights issue because I'm in Europe? ;-( Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F32F13BF38; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=lMf4L48GFgkByKsvGv7TioeLHp/QvFFfrVD7DWt2QPY=; b=q4Afxpb+LUAZb2qtOQzPLT5ztDgk4v82GoXNittPX2CIuxV5juSt6noB0Nd+/yTT1BfL2/jlQdJYk1/AcmYDG6lagHdicEAtnHuKdL5UuF3a4MJL+soKcDc5YBdQXN8fMcu1MDyHF3ZcbA5TaOumNV2+jNa+0yp+CcLv1sZDM1g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Dgeb4lPZ00+lVSOJcAat0mcSSXUhC5oUWLB0K1X3aZBpYGHIUwhfKcAxpYnW1hvaEy8e//1crPKh+kRjH6HI2nCZq0qjQGSLlpk6UqnQ+G7zk4L8Wl0zjzecIDk+h5l3pNrQ0xvPp+LJzLpTUkEauNVY4Y/osqgV2WRMDLqky3s= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9ab0c76f0712151233p2e217682y2ec117f471eeda09@mail.gmail.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <8CA0D6F494A30FD-5EC-150F@WEBMAIL-MC13.sysops.aol.com> <9ab0c76f0712151233p2e217682y2ec117f471eeda09@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <77594413-80FB-4623-B3CA-38E63BAE5DB3@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:39:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9JwAOD.A.3WD.Z1DZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:47:21 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2007, at 21.33, mark francombe wrote: > just make sure you paste the whole url.. mine was wrapped and i got > the same message (except Norway) I pasted in the complete URL but had no luck. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 20:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E5243BF3F; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <17A592F5-C5DB-4105-9008-1D6F41E44FAE@atarde.com.br> From: Matthias Grob To: Loop List In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:59:05 -0300 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at atarde.com.br Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Bill said: >> At Y2K7 I >> essentially used this rig, but I also dragged my big stomp box pedal >> board, that I use on conventional gigs, along. I realized at the >> end of my set >> I had barely touched any of my stomp boxes, and I had a bit of a >> revelation that, Ah this has happened before... wasting energy >> setting up a mountain >> of gear only to not use half of it. The other revelation that is >> somewhat >> obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more >> music and >> spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. fabio replied: > This topic sounds similar to the recent "computer suck creative > energy", > but on the hardware side, funny ! I came up with that title and missed the "?" at the end of it because my point was that creating sounds is part of the musical creation and as you say, doing that with analog stuff may take even more time, just that we dont feel it so much because we have done it over years in the past - which is different for the next generation of musicians! we have to find out how much technology we need to find the sound that speak strong enough and are understandable for the listener. As musicians we have the tendency to "re-discover" that playing a lot improves our musical capacity - "the real thing". (I am in a phase like that since last year. I play mostly acoustic trying to play more at once, using several strings, getting further away from the limitation of playing either solo or rhythm. Obviously this has also to do with my programming work which was totally loop concentrated until 2004 and then switched totally to the polyphonic guitar. So now I am fascinated by polyphonic playing...) But for the listener, or better for the effect of the music, the sound may be even more important than the musical construction. To touch the soul, the sound quality and richness seems to be fundamental. Of course there is a balance that depends a lot on what we want to achieve with music, what style we play and so on... I was amazed when I recently saw the interviews on Pink Floyd's Pompei video again: the guys talk a lot about their gear which is bigger than any ones and that the gear alone does not create good music but since they studied it a lot, they found their music - and hardly anyone doubts that they discovered one of the deepest and broadest spread music of the last century... So yes, to use good gear smartly is good! If we dont use all of it at a show is not so significant, since we improvise and want to have all the sounds ready to express what comes up. It would be ridiculous to use an effect just because we brought it. But sure, sometimes we can get rid of a box we only need rarely... > Before the Y2K7, i just heard some clips of you playing at the Y2K6, > but > seeing you play live was very different, because i perceived that > "magic > touch" on your fingers... yeah, Bill is great! I wonder though, whether this magic touch comes from playing a lot or is a given talent possibly it comes from the personality as I observe with voices: you cannot learn to have a tender,powerfull,,, voice if you are not tender, powerfull,,, and can we learn to be that? Yes, but not easily, and not by just playing, I guess... > > > In the past i had complex setting rigs, but in the last year i'm > "minimizing" it (quoting Kris ;-), because me too has discovered > that,reducing the available options, you could concentrate more on > Music (i > would intend: touch, colors, phrasing, etc...). > I think that another example, in the same direction, was Randolff. > For > what i remember, his set rig wasn't complex (RC50, FCB 1010 and an fx > processor ?), but his act was musically warm and captured the audience > attention. > Other example like Zoe and others could be done. > > Simple is better ! i'm with you. careful with that statement! Simplicity is a kind of quality, Complexity another! Nature is not simple at all! Just see how your body works, is it bad because its complex? evolution is going toards complexity in general, but sometimes there are phases of simplification (like a ice age ;-) that can be a releave, at least for the ones who need to understand that part... In case of rack size, I was always very carefull so that I could still carry it an minimize the bad contacts and such. I did not even use two EDPs (although I had several of them...) now that I am on the computer, criteria changed a bit, but when getting close to the point where the processor is overloaded or I dont dominate the setup any more, yes: simpler becomes better... Matthias From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 21:24:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A4003BF32; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 420 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:10 UTC X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=euyZtQRvRrMA:10 a=r1UuYqEQAAAA:8 a=nfS47lHLXd4GrYUI7bAA:9 a=BuiZpPiscJ5-ewuHFilNNp1KEJkA:4 a=w2JVS3UYN8sA:10 In-Reply-To: <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:17:10 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:11 +0000 (UTC) hmmm...it should work everywhere since there are no right issues. did the link wrap at all? sorry about that! i think when i saw you in italy per, that was the very first time i'd used ableton onstage (or even a computer for that matter!). it was so recent that i hadn't had time to re-map my songs from foot control. but that is why i bought ableton. i tend to do things gradually...change one or two things for each performance. so first i incorporated the computer, using it as an expensive mixer. then i got used to that and starting mapping the midi of some of my songs through ableton. i did the transition gradually song by song, so that if something went really wrong onstage, i could still do things the old way. i think one of the pieces i performed at loopfest 2006 was performed with midi sequencing through ableton (i remember chatting in the hallway with bill walker about how i did it). but the last few months is the first time i've almost completely taken the foot controller out of the picture for new pieces... i only use it to let the computer know when to start the next musical section, or if things go wrong (half way through the first piece in that video, something did go wrong. i think midipipe, the weakest link in my chain, did not translate a midi command going from ableton to one of the repeaters, so i took over and went into manual mode with my feet). i like this new mode of working because i don't have to spend so much time practicing what button to press when, now i can just play the goddamn cello (although have to keep tabs on the status of things out of the corner of my eye). it's interesting that now, i have to make sure that i arrange the pieces to create "believability". i could easily set ableton to record everything i'm doing and then fire those parts back, with any other part, at any time. but i've noticed that with my music, it is important for the audience to be able to follow what part i'm recording when. their experience is different if they are confused or if they think parts are pre-recorded. and with midi sequenced looping, it is a bit too easy to create an "unbelievable" arrangement. so i build in a few into the piece pauses for them to hear each phrase repeat after i've recorded it. i expect that as audiences get more accustomed to non-linear looping, their perception will change. i've noticed a huge difference in the audience's knowledge of "how stuff works" just from early 2006 to today. interesting musical times these are! augustus loop i like, but i find the interface hard to monitor. i've got my hopes pinned on the repeater software, but i'm already wondering how i'll monitor the status of that while i've got ableton going on. with ableton + hardware, i can quickly see the status of both. but there is only so much screen real-estate. we'll see how it pans out. what is EWI?? On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 dec 2007, at 20.38, info at zoekeating wrote: > >> i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi >> triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i >> think you might be the only people who understand that... > > He, he... didn't I suggest that method to you last year? ;-) > I used it a lot on Mac with Augustus Loop inside Ableton Live. But > that was in pre Mobius time - another universe. > >> i'm looking forward to the software version of the electrix >> repeater, so i can ditch hardware altogether and just travel with >> a cello and computer! ahh...dream on girl. > > Yes. I'm so excited about that too. I don't think any looper can > get better than Mobius, but on a Mac I'm able to get way better > sound for EWI playing. > > I'd love to see that iTunes thing you mentioned, but it doesn't > load. Maybe some territorial music and market rights issue because > I'm in Europe? ;-( > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 21:24:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3093BF3D; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2672 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=k0T/kwi8A/K4qMR4Gldgzgm0yFjBW1dDgfzQhqz0nDI=; b=pt1bQazSoEpjeeE2mn/IbjoappaBTwb+I0gO2hDUst3uZcCi9wq89vhrkXqJGU4pvBlSn85j2jY2szIqNv7V+PgUdAc/U0c/b/AYHFZal0eF4idoWxlZvvg4xKpe0ByZk7xS0/G8DN/M38od3BX6ZAiGu9d+cJ7AMmesmW8SJtA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sW0Z0DV4sXXd+Edq/xnrap7b5KzlsTUxXbIOBG8Mpv9qyRWA6xN4arwvgO6ay5BVnROG1qm05KCxfazXAe1i0a8Cyx9CxWI2TKzbGUO1N+0swu78yumI3Y50eN4V/homJ/3kLpRwsrvQymQutR1aMCuevfikAkf6KpwRug8ZkAA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <17A592F5-C5DB-4105-9008-1D6F41E44FAE@atarde.com.br> References: <17A592F5-C5DB-4105-9008-1D6F41E44FAE@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <19B8BE29-E4D6-4DE8-81E1-9A6F49D43076@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:24:35 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:40 +0000 (UTC) >> Simple is better ! i'm with you. > On 15 dec 2007, at 21.59, Matthias Grob wrote: > careful with that statement! Simplicity is a kind of quality, > Complexity another! > Nature is not simple at all! > Just see how your body works, is it bad because its complex? Isn't BALANCE the missing link here? "Simple" is always relative. I have finally skipped everything except for my instruments and a laptop and both my playing (with a sound almost as nice as what I hear inside and aim for) and my looping has never been more simple! But some people look at my setup and cry out "Ouch, so complex!!!" The schematics may be complex but the user experience is almost transparent - the way it should be using good instruments. Just think about the amount of work needed to set up a Stratocaster for playing! Fine tuning each string to stay in tune as good as possible all over the neck. Adjusting the springs to have the twang thing float at the right angle. Adjusting the pick-up's distance from the strings. Adjusting the nut so the strings may distribute their tension equally in order to keep the guitar stay in tune. Etc., etc--- And every little thing you adjust for the better immediately ruins the adjustments you have just done to other parameters, since the are inter related. It's like a never ending circle of work and re- doing things. A Stratocaster is a mean monster that eats hours and days before it becomes a good instrument. It's just ridiculous how much work that is! And when it finally is tuned and you play people just go "how simple, just a guitar and an amp" ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 21:53:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77BEF3BF3B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000301c83f49$dedee050$60041718@gwdesk> References: <000301c83f49$dedee050$60041718@gwdesk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:53:51 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Bill, Greg, Steve, et al . . . Yeah, the main reason I decided not to perform at this year's Y2K7 fest=20= was (similarly) the prospect of having to face schlepping a=20 mountain-o-gear to play a half-hour set and feel abjectly miserable=20 afterwards that it didn't all go well (or hardly got going before it=20 was over). I've been paring down for the past several months too. My 16-space rack-o-doom is no more - half of the contents are gone=20 (sold on Ebay or elsewhere). I am still trying to find a home for the rack itself, various cabs and=20= a plethora of pedals. But lets put things in perspective. To me, paring down has meant going from a big, 200+ pound 16-space rack=20= on casters (totally full on the front and then half-way up the back=20 side too) and a heaping pile-o-pedals to just a couple of small rack=20 bags and a half dozen EV-5s. It'll still be a lot of stuff with a lot of options. But, when I'm done I will be able to pack it all in the back of my PT=20 Cruiser (with room to spare) and complete my loading and unloading in=20 just 2 trips max - hopefully never even breaking a sweat. Most of my playing for the last half dozen months or more (since last=20 March) has been non-looping with just a resonator guitar, fingerpicks,=20= slide and an Ernie Ball Volume Pedal with a little 85 watt combo amp=20 with reverb. It's been a challenge to get back to basics like that . . . to NOT to=20 be driving 3 synths with my MIDI'd guitar, have 3 or 4 synced or=20 unsynced loopers going, all kinda of FX pre- and post-loop, 3 separate=20= dedicated reverbs (for gosh sakes), 2 ebows, 2 Vortexes, phrase=20 sampler, amps, cabs and other crap to compete for my attention . . .=20 but, also, as you might surmize, it been a real pleasure too. I've been learning to play a whole new kind of music (for me) as well! I've been playing (on a weekly Sunday basis) old-timey hymns in a=20 similar old-timey Christian church (109 years in the same location) to=20= mostly grey-headed retirees and a few college students. Tomorrow I plan to spring a little DD-20 and ebow on them for some=20 **contemplative** instrumental music during communion service. Funny, I have never been more nervous in my life - but I am looking=20 forward to it too. Not to worry though, I am still going to do the same old weirdo "Flux"=20= stuff as I always have for my "creative" music gigs. I bought a VG-99 and FC-300 together back in October and I've never=20 owned a **deeper** piece of kit. And the sounds . . . oooooooooo . . . waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much fun. Ad that to the rack bags and if there are any looping or experimental=20 fests lining up for 2008 I'll be more than ready. I'll be loaded for bear. Cheers, Ted On Dec 15, 2007, at 10:39 AM, greg williams wrote: > =A0AARRGGH! Why do you people have to bring this stuff up while I=92m=20= > trying to get my head around new gear and pedalboard controller=20 > moves?! Cruel, cruel loopers! J > =A0 > Yours, > ~Greg =A0 > =A0 > > From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:23 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: TC Electronics G Sharp, and LESSISMORE > =A0 > For the last few years I=92ve been pairing back my effects usage while=20= > my Looping has continued to become more complex. With my move to the=20= > Looperlative and its 8 track and bounce capability, I=92ve found less=20= > and less need for complex effects=A0 processing, and I=92m sure it=92s = also=20 > a matter of my tastes changing as well. I used to be a chronic chorus=20= > and modulation abuser. [snip] > Ah this has happened before...wasting energy setting up a mountain of=20= > gear only to not use half of it. The other revelation that is somewhat=20= > obvious is that in pairing back the gear I end up playing more music=20= > and spending less time tweaking and thinking about sound design. =A0 > Bill= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 21:57:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22A2B3BF2D; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:57:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=/k8W+l1a8gLbtveP91/7IAkO5Jb6FI1982/rMdplmwE=; b=BiSMYzrqQJXQp1DWVyVznn5WW4kIIp4hNgZpn2NjBqCrc7tROOd37RughldnCa9nFu3cFOkRTdVwIDUCSswZV5lVia5cw6wbuNy1/AJ+qtjxyW3cHVlPgddMInyOeV0QR0/HuLTjJWwxCILUPnrkfBIFvxrJ7pWuAcP/ZTkj0b0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=FCutLkJTNThZJmycGbwYq7etnKxovh0XtiqmJsMynkd4BKO3TdkdzECM1pPxkY/9d80yZAaMMsVoKRJb5WBfiMAmzuR6kHGRttqApZmb3oM8fzHUh6b8djpP2tqXVVxxBb5SuYOShCDS1/uwUqDNDRE+IfaZNWV6UWv5iLSncOI= In-Reply-To: <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:56:54 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:57:00 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2007, at 22.17, info at zoekeating wrote: > interesting musical times these are! augustus loop i like, but i > find the interface hard to monitor. i've got my hopes pinned on the > repeater software, but i'm already wondering how i'll monitor the > status of that while i've got ableton going on. with ableton + > hardware, i can quickly see the status of both. but there is only > so much screen real-estate. we'll see how it pans out. Yes, I agree with you. Augustus i just too big. Some years ago people on this list offered to write a graphic monitoring interface for a couple of Augustus Loop to be run in Ableton Live. But then Mobius came around and I didn't remind them more on that ;-)) I have recently been checking out Apple's MainStage, which comes bundled with Logic 8 Studio. It's a performance rack applications for virtual instruments and audio input plug-ins. It's quite configurable and you can build a graphic interface that shows the mode of all parameters in Augustus Loop. I did that, but unfortunately it's not totally stable. Will probably become that though, since Apple seems to put a lot of effort into their music software. But who knows how long time that might take! As I understand it the Virtual Repeater will be a host application. That might mean trouble running it together with Ableton Live. But you should be able to run only the VR and use other plug-ins inside it. > what is EWI?? Electric Wind Instrument. It looks just as lame as a clarinet but it is a touch sensitive monster MIDI controller (and a synth in its own right as well). When you play it tracks your body in many ways; Breath (how hard you blow into it translates into volume/resonance etc), bite (how hard you bite the mouthpiece may translate into vibrato and subtle change of timbre), fingering (finger notes as with a saxophone), pitch-bend (slide right thumb up or down), glissando/ portamento (touch a slide trail with your left thumb to make notes glide in slurs), sustain pedal (hit an on/off toggle with your right hand) and finally group two notes for parallel harmony playing at any interval (also hitting a toggle with right hand). The thing is that all this parameter controlling options is SIMPLE, because they work ergonomically close to how you play the instrument. It's very natural and intuitive. And since the the physical controller surface is so perfected you can really come up with exciting electronic sounds to play over MIDI. It's like a dream with no limits. http://www.ewi-evi.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 22:02:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49AA83BF42; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <32082e1b17dc200a619bc0136539d8ef@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:02:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:02:22 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, Nice stuff. The link worked just fine for me. When are you going to play Ashland again? Cheers, Ted On Dec 15, 2007, at 11:38 AM, info at zoekeating wrote: > hi loopers, > > there is a video online of my performance from the pop!tech 2007 > conference. it's free for download on itunes. track #13 in the video > podcast. > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast? > id=251125834 > > i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi > triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i think > you might be the only people who understand that...i'm looking forward > to the software version of the electrix repeater, so i can ditch > hardware altogether and just travel with a cello and computer! > ahh...dream on girl. > > happy freezing-cold-end-of-the-year-holidays to you all! > > celloly yours, zoe > > p.s. the podcasts of the other presenters are really worth watching by > the way. carl honore, chris jordan...drink some coffee first... > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 22:31:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56D243BF43; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=euyZtQRvRrMA:10 a=U2ZvqVVLXlZztGxHnHQA:9 a=_Zi7RgC3-OUY8M4-9jaZU53OkdkA:4 a=82oY0VH9lU0A:10 a=c9vNvxCaod3V8r3Wr2cA:9 a=OEMwlqRpnddrkqp5pbAA:7 a=rEyXDUL6y_lJW3WMiMp3TwK5fM8A:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 In-Reply-To: <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-72-407367702 Message-Id: <9EC04554-1426-49CE-BF70-EC8FAEE8C599@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:31:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:31:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-72-407367702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed way cool per. On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Electric Wind Instrument. --Apple-Mail-72-407367702 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 way cool per.=A0

On Dec 15, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Per = Boysen wrote:

Electric = Wind Instrument.=A0


= --Apple-Mail-72-407367702-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 22:45:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01C1E3BF46; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:45:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=rXMgpEI0cuJtCv5u+mRWMSOXnDe8qiv/nAALULgXzcc=; b=fh72FQ6Z59J0vQiyyFXus5wofJ3vZC8WagxuSWMJA0NALL4OKudnp5Nj12tA3HN/+dJkkPtEK8xp5J/gohdz34nHlGw9LR0abuRc4dbaqnpAozstBW3e0dY0UH8/beY/hms6CntVVYhyf99XZhTswOJxSPzyg+AQHzBEmFlzeaQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=cH/bRsPRnFPenTju8tlfoqPW18Qau92wDV9uf96cYCC8Zmt54crxzdrNhgbBFiWJUob4Ofv2m+XwQYr5gReN+N83M9yDmVScOzWddk3AGl2zRZapuW0ssuqwo03fKaSo6R/AVGZkmfQ+BY8JfWFapNu1gC3Lfhrx9xd+O3EK3RU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <32082e1b17dc200a619bc0136539d8ef@charter.net> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <32082e1b17dc200a619bc0136539d8ef@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <20DCE085-E7F9-4026-A931-264AD216FE97@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:44:57 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:45:02 +0000 (UTC) On 15 dec 2007, at 23.02, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > The link worked just fine for me. Whoah! And now it's suddenly working for me too! Thank you Medford - =20 you just put Europe back on the map! :-) I'm watching the first song =20= "It Has No Name" now. Excellent picture and stereo sound! Thanks for =20 notifying the list, Zoe. Oh, this is gorgeous stereo sound! Yay! Got =20 my Genlecs popped into the soundcard turning them up... Great playing! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:15:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52CFE3BF47; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> Subject: ewi Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:16:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18XBD2B5QjhdVm6ewq/Q3NqX74LDHMy2cTQdJW 10obbLuCAueKzk8l+sGP2WEusoZ9+9JmZKkScDAuxfJVagXUZ6 QvB3npb+/Pfu5cuBJj5BTtNXXjxQMqq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:15:15 +0000 (UTC) It looks just as lame as a clarinet...from starship troopers...on acid... tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:23:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02BF63BF41; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004a01c83f71$7d516600$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: re: LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:23:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:23:16 +0000 (UTC) Wow, Per, as is often the case, you have put really eloquently exactly what I believe to be true when you wrote: "Isn't BALANCE the missing link here? Simple" is always relative,.........Just think about the amount of work needed to set up a Stratocaster for playing! ............A Stratocaster is a mean monster that eats hours and days before it becomes a good instrument. It's just ridiculous how much work that is! And when it finally is tuned and you play people just go "how simple, just a guitar and an amp" ;-))" I actually take a hell of a lot of instruments to my live looping gigs. I think I bring more instruments than anyone I"ve ever seen in my experience, and yet, what I do with those instruments is really, really simple. I guess I'm an OCD Maximal MINIMALIST................lol. when I think of people talking about what a simple rig it is to take one looper, a guitar and an amplifier to a gig, I think of Andre LaFosse's brilliant performances....................wow.....................he's so far from simple that it's not funny. We keep coming back to this, but I think that the music that is created is what becomes the most important thing. I know that Ted Killian is winding down his monster rig days for reasons of weight and energy expenditure but the things he would create with that rig just blow my mind. At the same time, how about Genie with a strat, a mic, and a DL-4..........................again, mind blow time. Unfortunately, the post 9-11 restrictions on air baggage weight have made the musical touring world a much more complex environment. I'm now trying to get my rig smaller just so I can afford to travel without excess baggage fees. Like Mir-0, I'd take it all (including a second whole rack of Electrix time based effects) if it didn't bust my travelling budget. Speaking of the devil, I"ll be playing in Finland next May with Mir O. I can't wait to see his rig when he is on his home turf. It's funny but the looping community at large never gets to see my typical local shows because we are always in a festival setting when we play together. My normal rig takes an hour and half to comfortably set up and sound check so I"m able to play all kinds of things..............what a load in , though, but I"m happy as can be because I have so many musical choices when push comes to shove. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:24:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EC143BF4D; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=XNGzwg5FIwPNFUaSD17ipi3myZD2hP34vbTidNP6Gos=; b=eW+luKkybowMbQlhLnIzaXkYObnS3FRjwPTtiy6xm7GPfiU4NcUZIEGR9jEUo/iNRFA2ALWuHGW62UPErAwOwH/0DR39rjH3z47CRYVwkgyOXQ85ExNSFg4w/AaWFPsCt56QtEif3VmOb8pnKobI0PFPDkKlkTb63e7zUsyu9DE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=u/pKLYoPxt4mP+fgUT8X9pZdUTMaN4/78zHfmQt4N2ltS2mngYdep4pQAOklVoV0sx+vJJFAEWbC1n42tUPlpEPPgxLdXNyNHOz7lDAhWDtBFteukMNpqRyzQ4oLsShs0myRuOUyBAMhCx+YYkbPHNqo3vtLo+zvfqybSNXn6Us= In-Reply-To: <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ewi Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:24:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <326c_C.A.WSB.fIGZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:24:16 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2007, at 00.16, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > It looks just as lame as a clarinet...from starship troopers...on > acid... Well, it certainly has some odd charm. I guess the giant ants on stage in Mose Aisley were playing EWIs (Star Wars). 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:33:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72FD03BF4F; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:33:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=wdiYEmDEo1SilatsK04+REuVNJHwwNiKNo6tx8HBpys=; b=M1MTSBxiEeoSzdfMGdUsmEtkXpV31wWoUL5C+Uu5X8ggrd+9polVgGs3eKY7tCNmPMZ3GNwjykoYgyJ2EFuMcD112VXSwJ/o5cQKoId2bYArccxEuZjeU7IsYcj7If3mc8iqcrbdVUsD5whvYdUfELqVSgLrWylMCnWHTHDa50A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Uy19kgGaGw+XReMR3rjsPvbLO0PP/Vj8GbNm4xzSUq7wGIgzHYFwqi17Qe2QWCnEg+FRsSmwsna4B0LqqYVlOthIOqFQFo4GR+SHcmbajvW/4hbNazUHJKrHIse0t84cw58ObeaW3v+6Asy5Q5nbCaYmxht3p4v63X8vxH4Dkx0= In-Reply-To: <004a01c83f71$7d516600$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <004a01c83f71$7d516600$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6CB8D83B-4871-417D-A93E-8E720D1E3B9F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_LESSISM=D6RE?= Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:33:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:33:09 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2007, at 00.23, Rick Walker wrote: > We keep coming back to this, but I think that the music that is > created is what becomes the most important thing. > > I know that Ted Killian is winding down his monster rig days for > reasons of weight and energy expenditure but the things he would > create with that rig just blow my mind. The Hottest Fridge From Hell... I was blessed seeing it at Y2K6. > At the same time, how about Genie with a strat, a mic, and a > DL-4..........................again, mind blow time. If I too was an Alien with long toes I would consider a DL-4 ;-) > Unfortunately, the post 9-11 restrictions on air baggage weight > have made the musical touring world a much more complex > environment. I'm now trying to get my rig smaller just so I can > afford to travel without excess baggage fees. You can borrow my EDP as long as you may need when you get to Europe. No foot pedal though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 15 23:39:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FCD63BF52; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:39:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019801c83f73$ebb621b0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: ewi Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:40:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+O7fLgXYZLPkHL3SD6amXLhJtj8B3o9joV7T6 JpWcVhVBy4TAF4oyKYar4uRo0lTpfhBbI3UeqR9XNcVwG5i2Th Hp4/sAlByBaWeDoZA/XW4W5MUXPEvWa Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:39:43 +0000 (UTC) i play the ewi a lot on trains and people comment on it right at the moment i let go of the headphones. once a conductor said: looks like you have your own little ICE, here... (ICE are the new silvery trains we have here in germany) ...the very train i was travelling in! she is right - a certain resemblance is actually there. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: Re: ewi > On 16 dec 2007, at 00.16, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> It looks just as lame as a clarinet...from starship troopers...on >> acid... > > > Well, it certainly has some odd charm. I guess the giant ants on stage in > Mose Aisley were playing EWIs (Star Wars). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 00:04:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92BB83BF50; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=H+8LLdFbCkKoc44i9uea48Z80KN/HX7G7kFP8N4gIL4=; b=L+Y/fE76h6+h2Fp59EX2iSlL4No6AouiPYQ1sJ2xuDcB9htJP+PudA8HUybxe/HqCBEZwL+M4mfSc8OVUA7/80KwKVFE69Kn4Tg1qeNTWkEJKYWDBJsqQAMq+emj/EmqltWrb8VnlNDJXoi9/Gl28p0wu1i0eRIQadygY6/eIMY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NCyeFgSnbwbjqskk4R5zakCKOW/+L82NQ7eCZwfukaboLKB3/40CqxopFidmAFhVy742or1gvtrNDJnv7rxfKX1VQ439Kvn1SDdiacuQNx2jZhArQiMUUkX/1Ma6V58bBu7Fhwhhr0Lc2k6ivLzwaNkv+rtfs+kyT5iwpXEISZA= In-Reply-To: <019801c83f73$ebb621b0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <019801c83f73$ebb621b0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <070CA88F-43B0-4648-A065-B9FE304DE09F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: ewi Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:04:09 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:04:14 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2007, at 00.40, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > i play the ewi a lot on trains and people comment on it right at > the moment i let go of the headphones. > once a conductor said: looks like you have your own little ICE, > here... > (ICE are the new silvery trains we have here in germany) > ...the very train i was travelling in! > she is right - a certain resemblance is actually there. Have you ever recorded what it sound like when you play your EWI with headphones? ;-) I wonder what you look like when sitting there among kind and normal people, playing that strange future thing "silently". Ask someone to make a cell phone shot and post it! Here's another one for starters: http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/TotallyPix/ photo#5144354099330531586 per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 00:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 303543BF48; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c83f79$b69e4ec0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <019801c83f73$ebb621b0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <070CA88F-43B0-4648-A065-B9FE304DE09F@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ewi Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:22:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:22:21 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Sunday, 16 December, 2007 00:04 AM Subject: Re: ewi > On 16 dec 2007, at 00.40, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> i play the ewi a lot on trains and people comment on it right at >> the moment i let go of the headphones. >> once a conductor said: looks like you have your own little ICE, >> here... >> (ICE are the new silvery trains we have here in germany) >> ...the very train i was travelling in! >> she is right - a certain resemblance is actually there. > > > > Have you ever recorded what it sound like when you play your EWI with > headphones? ;-) > > I wonder what you look like when sitting there among kind and normal > people, playing that strange future thing "silently". Ask someone to > make a cell phone shot and post it! > > Here's another one for starters: > http://picasaweb.google.com/perboysen/TotallyPix/ > photo#5144354099330531586 > "Think 'Cute and cuddly', boys... 'Cute and cuddly'..." :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 01:08:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AE8A3BF4E; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJdGfsG7Q== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Lester Ismore - or is it not? (and things sucking creative energy etc.) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:09:10 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c83f80$44286180$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg/cto4OWg/CvJBQV6QzG65TScfXwACQpAQ In-Reply-To: <6CB8D83B-4871-417D-A93E-8E720D1E3B9F@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, having followed the discussion for some time now, I'd like to chime in with my (rather gear-heavy) pov: Leaving the gear-schlepping topic aside for one moment (which most of the time is actually something that matters a lot whether a certain setup will work or not), it's rather like this: more (and more complex) gear gives you more options, but also needs more time to learn (and sometimes to maintain) the thing: If you had a guitar with one string and five frets per string, this would greatly simplify learning the guitar, but then again limit you in your expression, and the same is true for our setups. Now there may be a difference if your use of effects is rather superficial and/or decided on in advance. If you need chorus in two tunes, a flanger in another and play all of that with your vintage Tele sound, then you'd most probably won't need Ted's rig. Then again, when you play punk, the bass guitar with one string and five frets may be sufficient, too... So how much do the things suck creative energy? I believe the do hinder the creative process if using your effects will require some very conscious interaction with your setup, as opposed to doing it inutively. To take again the example of the guitarist, I guess for a guitarist (which I am not, although I do play the guitar), the way from a chord progression or melody appearing in your mind to your fingers playing that very idea is an almost unconscious one. The same need be true for the way from that "swirling effect on that stuttering loop" idea to the necessary button/pedal presses and fader moves. If that is not the case you need to a) improve the user interface of your setup and/or b) learn to play your electronic things better. Improving the user interface is that one are where for me the use of computers has brought a huge advantage over traditional hardware boxes. For most of the hardware effects I have, controlling more than eight parameters with assignable controllers is a real hassle, and that's something that is not true for nearly all VST/VSTi things in a proper host. Even programming the controller mapping is easier here most of the time. And with the computer, you really have a great degree of freedom if not for the display of information, but for the user commands, and it's really all in one place. The process for my computer setup (where I use a BCR2000 fader box and FCB1010 foot controller) was (in a simplified way) something like this: 1) Identify some "emergency"/always-needed-quickly operations - they need a dedicated control (e.g. footswitch). 2) identify continuous controllers that need to be accessed while playing an instrument with both hands - these need to be accessed with an expression pedal. 3) identify button pushes that need to be accessed while playing an instrument with both hands - these will be accessed with footswitches. 4) identify the complete number of controllers (not belonging to group 1 and 2) you need to access. 5) define how they need to be grouped (in preset settings or banks), and how they can be made similair to each other (e.g. the bottom left knob is always filter cutoff or something). 6) identify "most-used" functions and group them together in a preset/bank in addition to them residing in dedicated banks/presets. 7) find the most-used "paths" between banks/presets and organize banks/presets so these paths can be travelled with the minimum amount of button presses. After implementing that, it's time to learn the assingment and test-drive it, and all the while looking at the following: * are there functions you miss? * are there functions you don't access at all? * are the "paths" laid out in a good way? * do the "most-used" and "accessing-while-playing" assignments make sense? And apart from that, it's really a lot of learning - a big part of it being sitting down with the sheets of controller assignment you printed out and learning them. (As a sidenote for those who'd seen me play Y2K6, the setup here included 10 banks of FCB1010 assignments (10 buttons and 20 exp pedal assignment each) = 300, plus 16 presets on the BCR2000 (whis is I believe 106 assignments per preset), plus some buttons on the computer keyboard, plus a dedicated footswitch as a "panic" switch, plus an exp pedal and a sustain pedal for the keyboard. A guessed percentage of more than 90% of the controller actions was done using 2 presets and 2 banks, respectively, but if I accessed some of the remaining ~1600 controllers, I was really happy I had them (and had learned them) - and was also happy that it is by far easier to access them that way than by delving into the menu structure of a Eclipse or FireworX (let alone a Wavestation...). So what do I do when I just want to play a simple loop with some effects added to it? Use the G2.1u and the DD20 (currently, a SMM w/Hazari and a KP3 sits in that minisetup, but I really rarely use any of these two - yes, for that specific performance approach, less is perhaps not more but it's all that is needed). And with that said, I'd like to encourage Greg to construct his planned big setup (perhaps only to find out which stuff you don't use that much after all), and like to thank Ted for the VG-99 recommendation - after being somewhat disappointed with what the V-Bass does, this may be something better after all (and then I'd need a GK pickup on my guitar...). All the best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 01:14:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0CB8B3BF4B; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE:LESSISMORE Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:14:16 -0800 Message-ID: <004801c83f80$fa5705b0$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg/bJq1Enr6SG+xQm+Ulr/ypUupUQADm6yQ In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 01:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Great Comments, all around, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that simplifying my options was a in any way better for anyone else, and as Per pointed out, that is relative anyway, Its just that in the process of pairing my gear back for practical purposes, I also realized the pleasant by- product being its easier for me to get to the point of creative inspiration without so many sound choices to distract me. I get caught up in Gear Acquisition Syndrome and the desire to stay up on all the latest and the greatest as much as the next guy, if not more. I'm really trying to fight that tendency more as I get older, though its hard with all the amazing stuff available these days, things like the VG99, and the whole world of lap top mobility. . Buying gear certainly hasn't come to a screeching halt for me that's for sure, its just that I'm finding more inspiration in, for example the acquisition of a different sounding guitar or stringed instrument than I am through sound design these days. Though I have been slow to the idea of integrating a computer into my live performance, I'm still excited about the possibilities of that, particularly when I see some of you perform with laptop rigs, and I see how someone like Zoe has used Abelton to create midi event streams that automate her loopers so she doesn't have to deal with using her feet. I would love to be free of the tap dancing, though I'm not looking forward to the learning curve :) I'm still a bit sour on modeling amps, but If I wasn't lucky enough to own some good tube amps, I 'm sure I would embrace modeling more than I do because, I wouldn't have that reference point, and I actually think modeling amps sound ok, I just think real tube analogue stuff sounds, and feels better. But as Reverend Lovejoy said to Ned Flanders, "Awe Ned, It's All Good". Bill PS Hey Ted ,not using your clamp on Sustainiac anymore? Great! Just send it to me and I'll curate it ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 02:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 114CF3BF5A; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47648C7B.5060401@adelphia.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:24:59 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: ewi References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 dec 2007, at 00.16, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> It looks just as lame as a clarinet...from starship troopers...on acid... > > > Well, it certainly has some odd charm. I guess the giant ants on stage > in Mose Aisley were playing EWIs (Star Wars). I usually tell people I got mine when I played in the Death Star Marching Band. I'm not sure if the cantina band in Star Wars were playing EWIs, but I definitely saw one in a bar band in an episode of Babylon 5. It's good to know our skills will still be in demand in a couple hundred years. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 02:49:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 754653BF54; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:49:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:48:59 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:49:03 +0000 (UTC) 1. The Virtual Repeater. I saw an ad in Electronic Musician magazine, so if they are going to spend money to advertise, I would assume it might happen. Still, I'll believe it when I see it. 2. The Fishman Aura (Or something like it) in a Plug In. 3. More wireless gear. Wireless powered speakers would rule, but bluetooth controllers would be cool too. I just need less cords. I HATE fucking cords. Wireless Power???? 4. The Digitech Vocalist in VST Format. 5. A RC-50 firmware update. Happy New Year! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 04:19:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07FFF3BF5D; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:19:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030201c83f9a$c6f66890$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c83f80$44286180$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Lester Ismore - or is it not? (and things sucking creative energy etc.) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:18:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:19:00 +0000 (UTC) > Hi everyone, > > having followed the discussion for some time now, I'd like to chime in > with > my (rather gear-heavy) pov: [clip] My opinion: It's all relative what we say here. What is artistically restricting, distracting, draining, inspiring, prohibitive, motivational, etc, etc, etc, to one person may be the complete opposite to another. So what we say here may be completely useful to one person, but not another. We can prescribe, but if it isn't consistent with the idiosyncrasies of the individual, it's futile. In the end, as with myself, I am the only one to blame, and therefore I must take responsibility for my own actions rather than complaining incessantly and pointing fingers at the technology, instrument, industry, and so on. You can't really blame a non-thinking object anyway...it's sort of pointless. It has been over two months now since I have reduced my effect usage by at least 95%, focusing only on the tone of my guitar, a handful of max-msp looping functions that I find interesting, a very rare uses of max-msp or Reaktor effects, and just the creative process of associated with these things. I have to say, my mind and artistic vision is clearer than it has been in years, and I am now face-to-face with the brutal awareness that if I can't do anything artistically worthwhile or interesting with just this minimum pallet, than I'm not trying hard enough - because there are acoustic, monophonic instrumentalist who can capture my attention, so I have no excuse in the larger context of things. I create my own standards here that quantity and quality of effects does not limit artistic expression. I apply it only to myself. It may apply others...I'm not sure. ...just my two cents. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 05:13:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 988873BF32; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,172,1196658000"; d="scan'208";a="145699378" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAF9DZEdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBV4EYjB+ZOQ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:13:56 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: ewi In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_w6VwQuoM9/mGqpPfbXCkDQ)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> <9B67C616-76EE-4799-A0EC-35D4DBA5B7D7@gmail.com> <009e01c83f70$80982200$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:13:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_w6VwQuoM9/mGqpPfbXCkDQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I guess I'm not the only one to associate EWIs with the Star Wars band: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/reaktorbigband.html Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_w6VwQuoM9/mGqpPfbXCkDQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
I guess I'm not the only one to associate EWIs with the Star Wars band:
 
 
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--Boundary_(ID_w6VwQuoM9/mGqpPfbXCkDQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 06:56:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5ABB23BEEA; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Xe7VBYz9gogA:10 a=NQc6oZ_7bfffzMthVOkA:9 a=8ac0PNotYZySTV__THIA:7 a=s1As5T6fYErmKhpuMpfQaJVe38UA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Lester Ismore - or is it not? (and things sucking creative energy etc.) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:56:45 -0800 Message-ID: <000a01c83fb0$d2eadb20$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg/cto4OWg/CvJBQV6QzG65TScfXwACQpAQAAzxhGA= In-Reply-To: <000001c83f80$44286180$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 06:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rainer, Thanks for the very thoughtful, instructive and useful post. >And with that said, I'd like to encourage Greg to construct his planned big >setup (perhaps only to find out which stuff you don't use that much after >all), and like to thank Ted for the VG-99 recommendation - after being >somewhat disappointed with what the V-Bass does, this may be something >better after all (and then I'd need a GK pickup on my guitar...). It's not that big really, just new to me and deeeeeep - FireworX, Looperlative and FCB 1010. Sounds like God though... Thanks for the encouragement! Best Wishes, ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 5:09 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Lester Ismore - or is it not? (and things sucking creative energy etc.) Hi everyone, having followed the discussion for some time now, I'd like to chime in with my (rather gear-heavy) pov: Leaving the gear-schlepping topic aside for one moment (which most of the time is actually something that matters a lot whether a certain setup will work or not), it's rather like this: more (and more complex) gear gives you more options, but also needs more time to learn (and sometimes to maintain) the thing: If you had a guitar with one string and five frets per string, this would greatly simplify learning the guitar, but then again limit you in your expression, and the same is true for our setups. Now there may be a difference if your use of effects is rather superficial and/or decided on in advance. If you need chorus in two tunes, a flanger in another and play all of that with your vintage Tele sound, then you'd most probably won't need Ted's rig. Then again, when you play punk, the bass guitar with one string and five frets may be sufficient, too... So how much do the things suck creative energy? I believe the do hinder the creative process if using your effects will require some very conscious interaction with your setup, as opposed to doing it inutively. To take again the example of the guitarist, I guess for a guitarist (which I am not, although I do play the guitar), the way from a chord progression or melody appearing in your mind to your fingers playing that very idea is an almost unconscious one. The same need be true for the way from that "swirling effect on that stuttering loop" idea to the necessary button/pedal presses and fader moves. If that is not the case you need to a) improve the user interface of your setup and/or b) learn to play your electronic things better. Improving the user interface is that one are where for me the use of computers has brought a huge advantage over traditional hardware boxes. For most of the hardware effects I have, controlling more than eight parameters with assignable controllers is a real hassle, and that's something that is not true for nearly all VST/VSTi things in a proper host. Even programming the controller mapping is easier here most of the time. And with the computer, you really have a great degree of freedom if not for the display of information, but for the user commands, and it's really all in one place. The process for my computer setup (where I use a BCR2000 fader box and FCB1010 foot controller) was (in a simplified way) something like this: 1) Identify some "emergency"/always-needed-quickly operations - they need a dedicated control (e.g. footswitch). 2) identify continuous controllers that need to be accessed while playing an instrument with both hands - these need to be accessed with an expression pedal. 3) identify button pushes that need to be accessed while playing an instrument with both hands - these will be accessed with footswitches. 4) identify the complete number of controllers (not belonging to group 1 and 2) you need to access. 5) define how they need to be grouped (in preset settings or banks), and how they can be made similair to each other (e.g. the bottom left knob is always filter cutoff or something). 6) identify "most-used" functions and group them together in a preset/bank in addition to them residing in dedicated banks/presets. 7) find the most-used "paths" between banks/presets and organize banks/presets so these paths can be travelled with the minimum amount of button presses. After implementing that, it's time to learn the assingment and test-drive it, and all the while looking at the following: * are there functions you miss? * are there functions you don't access at all? * are the "paths" laid out in a good way? * do the "most-used" and "accessing-while-playing" assignments make sense? And apart from that, it's really a lot of learning - a big part of it being sitting down with the sheets of controller assignment you printed out and learning them. (As a sidenote for those who'd seen me play Y2K6, the setup here included 10 banks of FCB1010 assignments (10 buttons and 20 exp pedal assignment each) = 300, plus 16 presets on the BCR2000 (whis is I believe 106 assignments per preset), plus some buttons on the computer keyboard, plus a dedicated footswitch as a "panic" switch, plus an exp pedal and a sustain pedal for the keyboard. A guessed percentage of more than 90% of the controller actions was done using 2 presets and 2 banks, respectively, but if I accessed some of the remaining ~1600 controllers, I was really happy I had them (and had learned them) - and was also happy that it is by far easier to access them that way than by delving into the menu structure of a Eclipse or FireworX (let alone a Wavestation...). So what do I do when I just want to play a simple loop with some effects added to it? Use the G2.1u and the DD20 (currently, a SMM w/Hazari and a KP3 sits in that minisetup, but I really rarely use any of these two - yes, for that specific performance approach, less is perhaps not more but it's all that is needed). And with that said, I'd like to encourage Greg to construct his planned big setup (perhaps only to find out which stuff you don't use that much after all), and like to thank Ted for the VG-99 recommendation - after being somewhat disappointed with what the V-Bass does, this may be something better after all (and then I'd need a GK pickup on my guitar...). All the best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 11:10:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96C7D3BEE1; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0hw1eQdGA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:11:24 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c83fd4$65aa5ee0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acg/jjeNR2Yc7zSTQuaaI2ZLbWo31QAQSAuA In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:10:48 +0000 (UTC) Chris mentioned: > 1. The Virtual Repeater. I saw an ad in Electronic Musician or Mobius doing all that was promised for the Virtual Repeater...(actually, that might be closer to reality) > 3. More wireless gear. Wireless powered speakers would rule, > but bluetooth controllers would be cool too. I just need less I'm with you on that one. I'd imagine a bluetooth bodypack with two mic/inst inputs, headphone output and MIDI/USB connection. For me also: * a VBass upgrade where a) everything (stomp effects, amps etc.) is stereo, b) the per-string pitch shifters actually sound decent. * the perfect audio interface: halfrack, USB2, bus-powered plus dedicated power supply (it's well ok if the micpres don't work if it's bus-powered), 4 mic inputs (hybrid solidstate/tube pre), at least 8 analogue ins and 8 analogue outs plus headphone outs, TOSLINK, SPDIF (opt/coax), 2xMIDI I/O, software-controlled gain stages for (mic) ins and outs, for the input HP and limiter, four SW channelstrips and a stereo ('prolly surround) finalizer, standalone operation (fully MIDI-controllable) and bluetooth (see above). * the perfect musicians' computer: I'd like something like that apple thingie (imac?), but more powerful (e.g. graphics adapter supporting external monitor), intel-world oriented and in a roadworthy package. * the perfect looping stompbox: package like DL4 or slightly smaller, multi-track/multi-loop, mobius-like implementation, pitch-shift/varispeed/timestretch repeater-style, plugin effects onboard, insert chain, connectors for additional exp pedals/footswitches, UI and routing freely configurable e.g. from a computer. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 11:20:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FB213BEE4; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xZ1MiNe3I1kEGy+uUeTaKV44oA8qiHCjYr+2rVQCfpo=; b=kSz0+WCr2n5kl2M+p62/6B2+fHpLe1Zf63uzytvhDHIp0bhPaF6qHWxV3o1j7D/sRXtuK11oHdHYX6U2F28xY7tkaVYxDACvzZfh+z4YWut0FtU3O51sLAim4P4AGayEl5ROtyhBArc4aPnCK8C9XV4JX/1V7M8PIJ5WCDw8zmY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=chLpEt54mCLEZ1LrL6ZUppjp4JiaTcRNIas7wcr+XVGqXi9IYh9mdvNAAux1hf+aiPTJt7flWc4qdTDfzNnLh7l4lEUMJJOc2FWt8f0g96e/J+iIBlmhepmeril7zuOAbbqYS3xtEn1zyjevjoAxBj1RSHBHiftxBPFIkYarQNc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 + EWI Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:20:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:20:46 +0000 (UTC) On 16 dec 2007, at 03.48, Chris Sewell wrote: > 4. The Digitech Vocalist in VST Format. Arturia has a software that seems to meet this. Not sure they do it in the VST format though. But it does instant harmonization of live audio input, based on a given general key and scale. On 16 dec 2007, at 06.13, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > I guess I'm not the only one to associate EWIs with the Star Wars > band: > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/reaktorbigband/ > reaktorbigband.html That Reaktor build is actually a "virtual Digitiech Vocalist" for MIDI live input! We also have that in Logic as a built-in function of the environment. Michael Brecker used Logic on stage to do this kind of instant big band orchestration from a single EWI MIDI input. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 13:50:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 571683BEE2; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 671 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:50:50 UTC Message-ID: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:39:36 +0100 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Isn't the Wiimote (for now) the coolest bluetooth controller ever - for you software loopers? In case you didn't already, watch this : http://www.vimeo.com/155978/ Grtz, Xavier Chris Sewell wrote: > 3. bluetooth controllers would be cool too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 16:39:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A20FF3BEDE; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=zDL30TCjlopiEdYM70IjRBY2MtckDdZA2iLmVUQuv6k=; b=mwoYkKu/TLdrVd5WtnzGrufU7egwIi0+/VNj0ZP0h60HZEUX1gA66300USIFl+r/v+UrjXbqZGhp8dpKdQuHLyWCVPNXuhg3X1haC8tDu9dAwXkDxYMxdiVBi4orXug6nIszcrRz99ywo9cOl1sMV22Myla91oLXRAMO/MY5Q4I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aF85cxGc2GayTeHyD3g8gkmB/gkBOo+ZXo+fHQiSQAw4peqKFXWrQ0/8OSmg9C15cn4Qb01i6j1vTIX+1PPE5nxOgDO1qOYIibl1ZYUXVk4qKYM6BjjaP/6qk4nYOJjRWHdW7r5eZNm7e/GbsfDNoAXlMEZGwz5vp2Ag6AgL3Lc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <47654E6D.5080003@gordius.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:39:26 +0100 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_Q36VB.A.UIC.HTVZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Begin forwarded message: > From: GORDIUS info > Date: s=F6ndag 16 dec 2007 17.12.29 GMT+01:00 > To: Per Boysen > Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 > Reply-To: info@gordius.be > > Interesting, Per > I guess you intended to post to the group - in that case you'll =20 > need to resend, it looks like I've got my email settings wrong, =20 > causing your reply to go to me instead of the whole group, sorry. > > > I too think Bluetooth is way cool but it should get built into =20 > some foot controller pedal board > Of course that is what I am considering, and once I would do this, =20 > having the wiimote control any hardware MIDI device (instead of PC =20 > only) is just a next step > Only, I'm not yet sure if I'm going to go down that road, looking =20 > at the regular bluetooth detection problems - not exactly the kind =20 > of problem you like to encounter minutes before your gig starts, or =20= > after an unexpected reboot or something... will need to investigate > > > to use one of those dance carpets assigned to two MIDI CC#s > also something I have been thinking of. I don't want to start yet =20 > another design of a MIDI expression pedal, I'd rather try to find =20 > something more original.... > > > moving your instrument in the air (while playing) also generates =20 > the vector data > + > > Unless you GAFFA tape the Wii to your instrument > > Sounds ridiculous, but I was actually going to try out what's =20 > possible with this wiimote if you do tape it to the side of a =20 > guitar, or attach it to the horn of a saxophone for instance, =20 > pointing to the ground... why should it be more complicated than =20 > that? If you would have relatively easy access to the buttons, and =20 > a decent range of X-Y control by moving or tilting your instrument... > Of course the only reason for trying this is that my son just got =20 > his Wii a week ago, and I want to play with his toys...:-) > > > to set off dynamic changes over a long time (as in fading in/out =20 > etc) by applying an inertia factor to the movement ... > > I'm about to implement what could be considered some "poor mans =20 > version" of this in my floorboard - don't know if this would come =20 > anywhere near, or if it sound useless to you : > if you could assign "any" number of CC#s to a footswitch, and for =20 > each of these CC#s not only a single CC value, but a "start" and =20 > "end" value plus a sweep time to go smoothly from start value to =20 > end value after a single foot click, would that be useful ? Of =20 > course it is still pretty "static", no real time control over the =20 > different parameters yet.. > > Grtz, > Xavier > > > > Per Boysen wrote: >> >> On Dec 16, 2007 2:39 PM, GORDIUS info wrote: >> >> Isn't the Wiimote (for now) the coolest bluetooth controller ever =20 >> - for >> you software loopers? >> In case you didn't already, watch this : http://www.vimeo.com/=20 >> 155978/ >> >> Grtz, >> Xavier >> >> >> Chris Sewell wrote: >> > 3. bluetooth controllers would be cool too. >> >> >> Hand controlled gadgets always suck for us that play instruments =20 >> with our hands. I too think Bluetooth is way cool but it should =20 >> get built into some foot controller pedal board! Or better would =20 >> be to have all your controllers set up stable and simple and then =20 >> connected to a Bluetooth sender and then wherever you have stuffed =20= >> away your laptop on stage you have the Bluetooth receiver. >> >> I'm excited by X/Y vector control, both for directly "playing" =20 >> parameters and to set off dynamic changes over a long time (as in =20 >> fading in/out etc) by applying an inertia factor to the movement =20 >> of the two linked parameters from one X/Y position towards any new =20= >> given postition (of those two parameters). That's very simple and =20 >> playable. Much better than having loads of faders, as when using a =20= >> mixing console or similar. >> >> Two nice ideas for physical realization of my X/Y dream is to use =20 >> one of those dance carpets assigned to two MIDI CC#s or to use two =20= >> light beams, strategically positioned in a way that moving your =20 >> instrument in the air (while playing) also generates the vector data. >> >> I've been using vector control a lot in software like Logic or =20 >> Numerology (and a little in Bidule too) but yet not had a chance =20 >> to built some physical interface for it. I think all this vector =20 >> stuff is much more exciting than Bluetooth because Bluetooth =20 >> simply replaces a cable - and the only good thing with replacing a =20= >> cable that I can see is if you want to wave around with the =20 >> controller as the french guy in that movie does, but when playing =20 >> instruments that is not possible anyway. Unless you GAFFA tape the =20= >> Wii to your instrument... he. he... got to stop here ;-) >> >> Bottom line: I'd like to see some real physical vector controllers =20= >> for 2008! (just imagine if the Tenori On would have been a =20 >> configurable vector based MIDI controller instead of a step =20 >> sequencer with lame built-in synth sounds. Wow!) >> >> --=20 >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 16:56:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B59AF3BEDB; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:56:54 UTC Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: Subject: Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: <001801c84003$f02a1b30$d07e5190$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-Index: AchAA+/RGnCd4z8bQfS9qo9jdgAhiw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:56:54 +0000 (UTC) I'm thinking about eventually getting a MIDI foot controller, mostly for use with Ableton Live. I'd appreciate opinions on the Roland FC300 vs. Yamaha MFC10. The pros and cons that I know of: MFC10: Only one foot pedal. Some people have reported latency problems; others have said there are none. On the other hand, I play a WX-5, and the MFC10 can power the WX-5 through its proprietary MIDI+power cable. Plus I think I can set the MFC10 to merge its expression signals into the MIDI stream from the WX-5. FC300: So far I have not heard anyone say anything bad about this pedal. Two foot pedals, lots of inputs for others, can be used to control other devices as well. Your thoughts? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 17:46:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1F63BEDB; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.206.196.28] From: simeon harris To: Subject: RE: Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:46:04 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001801c84003$f02a1b30$d07e5190$@org> References: <001801c84003$f02a1b30$d07e5190$@org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Dec 2007 17:46:04.0957 (UTC) FILETIME=[87F09CD0:01C8400B] Resent-Message-ID: <1v4jQD.A.WyE.fRWZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:46:07 +0000 (UTC) ---------------------------------------- > From: ark@acm.org > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:51:43 -0500 >=20 > MFC10: Only one foot pedal. Some people have reported latency problems; > others have said there are none. =20 i have one of these and the latency makes it useless for looping, but it's = a good pedal otherwise sim _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox.=20 http://www.searchgamesbox.com= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 18:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F4823BEE1; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 659764317-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.205.43 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAGD7ZEdPSs0r/2dsb2JhbACCJo8xliqCFg Message-ID: <47656C90.6010709@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:21:04 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? References: <001801c84003$f02a1b30$d07e5190$@org> In-Reply-To: <001801c84003$f02a1b30$d07e5190$@org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Andrew Koenig wrote: > I'm thinking about eventually getting a MIDI foot controller, mostly for use > with Ableton Live. > MFC10: Only one foot pedal. Some people have reported latency problems; > others have said there are none. MFC10 has inputs for 4 more expression pedals. The latency is about 70mS by my guess. ( confirmed by Yamaha UK tech support at about 100mS ) I actually developed a way to measure the latency accurately when beta testing Xaviers LG controller ( recommended), but it's hardly worth it for the Yamaha. Well, on the phone I could plainly hear the Yamaha tech guy bashing the switches, followed by a gap, followed by some synth notes coming out a bit later. :-) With Ableton, it's possible the latency won't be an issue, as Ableton user's tend to preset their tempo. If you're tapping in loops in live looping fashion you're better off with a different controller. ...but cueing up loops on Ableton should be ok. I wonder if the WX-5 would also be affected, that much delay on your playing would be a killer. ( You just plug it into the MFC10 right??) Actually, it was a neat thing to play tunes with the MFC10 with all that latency, as the brain tries to compensate, then when you go back to a regular midi keyboard it feels like the notes come out before you play them. Anyway, you can always make me an offer for my (hardly used) MFC10 controller + as many expression pedals as you need if you reckon the latency won't hurt. Otherwise, apart from the Roland (latency not measured) don't forget the fcb1010 by Behringer(latency<5mS), which is the best value for money but has certain limitations as regards how many Midi Channels it will send on. ..and the Gordius Little Giant range(latency<4mS), which isn't cheap, but is highly recommended. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 18:52:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB8AB3BEDB; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=k661LjemAr2Nfk4dHJADN2e/z/4LblEL742+Q8wAwDO6UPwGCDI+HJ6WsST/qa/8QFB6aAQF6n1edWKbZEkGXZ1tXrLY6sAaxm7YLYXOUZ+hS3P7ZynP7X7FG87mo43hcOwkAeIKVbRUXF/1gKE3R200vOLkuYwgRzix+3wQIAQ=; X-YMail-OSG: _k5Jh60VM1kivsny1AwonK0Ajuar5bHlfdOLDOghvRDouYEmUHqzhdNRM2h04IU7bzyFZ8VpzQOTRhaibgHuExH4FLOc5bK_mSX4SMkl1Y1TNj_2y8Q- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 10:52:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: The Lessismore syndrome sucking energy loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000001c83f80$44286180$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <175179.82985.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:52:40 +0000 (UTC) friends,remeber we are loopers allowed to loop;-) I think is perfectly normal to be going back and forth on this issues,just look at us trying to keep up with it!so we go and buy a video camera and all of the sudden they are absolete because they were too big and have no USB,CD walkmans for a minidisc-what?you still using that thing? havent you heard of mp3 players? or our bulky analog photo cameras for pocket size digital,or the VS Roland recorders which kept changing sample rate quality before i even had time to learn how to use one,not to mention bits,RAM,usb,firewire,laptops,mobiles,rack effects,now everybody wants them on the floor,amp simulators replacing your horrible heavy tube amp,yeaah,lets go sell all the heavy rubbish,maybe we can carry our whole rack in an ipod and play it through a Bose PAS!in fact,i dont like to play live so lets cyberjam dude;-)God i am already runing out of energy telling about it! But i must admit it is such an exciting fascinating time that it is addicting,a musicians paradise with so many choices becoming attractively,portable etc.but us also becoming exhausted partly victims of the heavy marketing bombardment of such things,specially through the comforts of the internet,busy fighting to get our attention with their price wars giving us way more options than we need and cheaper than never before.And then some of us start questioning this and find out that we were probably happier carring our amps with our fat tone instead of an pod,or doing just as much noise or being even more creative with less equipment than before.Or some of us trying to convince ourselves that we are happier carrying less instead,although we ve accepted the commfort trade off of our sound which has perhaps turned from real coffee to instant.All of this is whats costing us at the end time,money and yes-sucking energy. But it is human nature to explore and change,and through all the excitement trying to keep focused,we start to loose track of who we really are musically and what got us really excited when we first picked up our instruments.I think for some what adds to this syndrome is the traditional guilty feeling of sitting and tweaking too long instead of practicing,although the tweaking is perhaps also part of the practice. I think some of these are just temporary phases,(or should we call it menopause?)dependent not only on the changes in technology and musical trends but on our changing selves.We always want to taste different cuisine or clothing but at then end we settle on our favorite one, but we still like to have open options...like the effect pedals that we didn´t use that night.The first rush of that a stereo multieffector gave us doesn´t do it anymore so we plug the guitar directly through a valve amp in mono with an analog echo box and the unmasked tone and simplicity arouses us again and we are back to square one. There are players who get complex and beautiful sounds through more hand technique with one simple volume knob and a single pickup,and others get simple sounding atmospheric sounds through huge racks and complex guitar configurations(and wankers with both huge racks and 1000notes per minute who have completely missed the point and still can´t get a decent tone) I think a creative musician will always sound interesting,regardless if he plays with one string or 10,or the latest technology in fact i read something about Tony levin wanting to have less strings on his bass as he gets older;-)so we should´t be afraid of going back and forth.In fact sometimes we loose faith so quickly,blame it on equiment and end up rebuying it;-)also some of this dinasours,fripp,the edge etc. are still using the same refigerators,others like belew perahps got tired of it and others like Angus Young refuse to change shorts or play anymore than 3 or 4 chords and keep the same fuckin tie! Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Hi everyone, > > having followed the discussion for some time now, > I'd like to chime in with > my (rather gear-heavy) pov: > > Leaving the gear-schlepping topic aside for one > moment (which most of the > time is actually something that matters a lot > whether a certain setup will > work or not), it's rather like this: more (and more > complex) gear gives you > more options, but also needs more time to learn (and > sometimes to maintain) > the thing: If you had a guitar with one string and > five frets per string, > this would greatly simplify learning the guitar, but > then again limit you in > your expression, and the same is true for our > setups. > > Now there may be a difference if your use of effects > is rather superficial > and/or decided on in advance. If you need chorus in > two tunes, a flanger in > another and play all of that with your vintage Tele > sound, then you'd most > probably won't need Ted's rig. Then again, when you > play punk, the bass > guitar with one string and five frets may be > sufficient, too... > > So how much do the things suck creative energy? I > believe the do hinder the > creative process if using your effects will require > some very conscious > interaction with your setup, as opposed to doing it > inutively. To take again > the example of the guitarist, I guess for a > guitarist (which I am not, > although I do play the guitar), the way from a chord > progression or melody > appearing in your mind to your fingers playing that > very idea is an almost > unconscious one. The same need be true for the way > from that "swirling > effect on that stuttering loop" idea to the > necessary button/pedal presses > and fader moves. If that is not the case you need to > a) improve the user > interface of your setup and/or b) learn to play your > electronic things > better. > > Improving the user interface is that one are where > for me the use of > computers has brought a huge advantage over > traditional hardware boxes. For > most of the hardware effects I have, controlling > more than eight parameters > with assignable controllers is a real hassle, and > that's something that is > not true for nearly all VST/VSTi things in a proper > host. Even programming > the controller mapping is easier here most of the > time. And with the > computer, you really have a great degree of freedom > if not for the display > of information, but for the user commands, and it's > really all in one place. > > The process for my computer setup (where I use a > BCR2000 fader box and > FCB1010 foot controller) was (in a simplified way) > something like this: > 1) Identify some "emergency"/always-needed-quickly > operations - they need a > dedicated control (e.g. footswitch). > 2) identify continuous controllers that need to be > accessed while playing an > instrument with both hands - these need to be > accessed with an expression > pedal. > 3) identify button pushes that need to be accessed > while playing an > instrument with both hands - these will be accessed > with footswitches. > 4) identify the complete number of controllers (not > belonging to group 1 and > 2) you need to access. > 5) define how they need to be grouped (in preset > settings or banks), and how > they can be made similair to each other (e.g. the > bottom left knob is always > filter cutoff or something). > 6) identify "most-used" functions and group them > together in a preset/bank > in addition to them residing in dedicated > banks/presets. > 7) find the most-used "paths" between banks/presets > and organize > banks/presets so these paths can be travelled with > the minimum amount of > button presses. > > After implementing that, it's time to learn the > assingment and test-drive > it, and all the while looking at the following: > * are there functions you miss? > * are there functions you don't access at all? > * are the "paths" laid out in a good way? > * do the "most-used" and "accessing-while-playing" > assignments make sense? > > And apart from that, it's really a lot of learning - > a big part of it being > sitting down with the sheets of controller > assignment you printed out and > learning them. > > (As a sidenote for those who'd seen me play Y2K6, > the setup here included 10 > banks of FCB1010 assignments (10 buttons and 20 exp > pedal assignment each) = > 300, plus 16 presets on the BCR2000 (whis is I > believe 106 assignments per > preset), plus some buttons on the computer keyboard, > plus a dedicated > footswitch as a "panic" switch, plus an exp pedal > and a sustain pedal for > the keyboard. A guessed percentage of more than 90% > of the controller > actions was done using 2 presets and 2 banks, > respectively, but if I > accessed some of the remaining ~1600 controllers, I > was really happy I had > them (and had learned them) - and was also happy > that it is by far easier to > access them that way than by delving into the menu > structure of a Eclipse or > FireworX (let alone a Wavestation...). > > So what do I do when I just want to play a simple > loop with some effects > added to it? Use the G2.1u and the DD20 (currently, > a SMM w/Hazari and a KP3 > sits in that minisetup, but I really rarely use any > of these two - yes, for > that specific performance approach, less is perhaps > not more but it's all > that is needed). > > > And with that said, I'd like to encourage Greg to > construct his planned big > setup (perhaps only to find out which stuff you > don't use that much after > all), and like to thank Ted for the VG-99 > recommendation - after being > somewhat disappointed with what the V-Bass does, > this may be something > better after all (and then I'd need a GK pickup on > my guitar...). > > All the best, > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 21:11:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1BB83BEDE; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:11:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:11:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:11:22 +0000 (UTC) 1. A stereo in/out (no dongle) cardbus audio interface at the quality of a Fireface 400 (go miniaturization technology!) 2. A low/no latency and processor un-intensive VST amp simulator designed just for jazz guitarists (emulating the clean/warm tones of all the popular jazz amps and models like Polytones, JC120, Fender Twin, Boogies, etc) 3. A normal sized touch screen (by finger, not stylus), high performance laptop 4. An affordable hydrogen powered car and an abundance of hydrogen cells in my area not generated by non-renewal energy sources 5. 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All rights From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 22:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5983F3BECC; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:09:32 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Krispen, Huh? Please explain. On Dec 16, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > 5. An apparition From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 22:14:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5A823BEDD; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:14:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:14:02 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:14:08 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > 1. A stereo in/out (no dongle) cardbus audio interface at the > quality of a Fireface 400 (go miniaturization technology!) > 2. A low/no latency and processor un-intensive VST amp simulator > designed just for jazz guitarists (emulating the clean/warm tones > of all the popular jazz amps and models like Polytones, JC120, > Fender Twin, Boogies, etc) > 3. A normal sized touch screen (by finger, not stylus), high > performance laptop > 4. An affordable hydrogen powered car and an abundance of hydrogen > cells in my area not generated by non-renewal energy sources > 5. An apparition 1. Apogee by winter Namm. Express card stuff is supposed to be the rage. 2. Amplitube I'm betting, will continue their artist packages, Maybe they'll do a Metheny version. 3. Macworld was just predicting this by the next Mac conference. 4. Two words: John Edwards 5. These dont exist. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 22:17:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3ECA3BEE7; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:19:25 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:17:16 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:09 PM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Krispen, > > Huh? > > Please explain. > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> 5. An apparition > I do believe he's saying he'd like to see a revenant--a ghost. Jeff= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 22:24:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1353BEEE; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:24:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c84032$8d41c7a0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tc Nova Delay, a couple of gripes Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:25:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84032.8D2788E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:24:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84032.8D2788E0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002C_01C84032.8D2788E0" ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01C84032.8D2788E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, Anyone else using the tc Nova Delay? I am and generally really like it apart from a couple of issues. 1. I don't know a way (hopefully there is one) of knowing what the old = setting of a control is when I'm edditing one of my programmes. I like = to find settings, try them out, tweak them etc. usually just moving from = my last setting just a little, to hone it down into just what I want - = particularly at gigs, I might need to make a quick change from my = programmed setting to suit the onstage live sound (what I set up maybe = doesn't work quite as well as I'd have hoped). However, with the ND1, = you turn the mix/mod/filter/feedback controlls and start from scratch = each time, so, other than maticulously writing everything down, it's = very hard. 2. The range of settings (say 1-100) are quite finely spaced over the = range of the pots - I think that they'd have been better with using = continuous encoders with clicks, or that initially display the saved = setting. As someone who's partially sighted, this would have made life = much easier, those numbers change incredibly quickly. 3. I'd have liked more controll over the ducking delay - there's the = slightly crude level setting procedure but nothing else, a threshold, an = attack rate, for example. Any comments or ways round that anyone's found? Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01C84032.8D2788E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank

Hi,
 
Anyone else using the tc Nova Delay?
 
I am and generally really like it apart from a couple of = issues.
 
1. I don't know a way (hopefully there is one) of knowing what the = old=20 setting of a control is when I'm edditing one of my programmes. I like = to find=20 settings, try them out, tweak them etc. usually just moving from my last = setting=20 just a little, to hone it down into just what I want - particularly at = gigs, I=20 might need to make a quick change from my programmed setting to suit the = onstage=20 live sound (what I set up maybe doesn't work quite as well as I'd have = hoped).=20 However, with the ND1, you turn the mix/mod/filter/feedback controlls = and start=20 from scratch each time, so, other than maticulously writing everything = down,=20 it's very hard.
 
2. The range of settings (say 1-100) are quite finely spaced over = the range=20 of the pots - I think that they'd have been better with using continuous = encoders with clicks, or that initially display the saved setting. As = someone=20 who's partially sighted, this would have made life much easier, those = numbers=20 change incredibly quickly.
 
3. I'd have liked more controll over the ducking delay - there's = the=20 slightly crude level setting procedure but nothing else, a threshold, an = attack=20 rate, for example.
 
Any comments or ways round that anyone's found?
 
Ian.
 

 

------=_NextPart_001_002C_01C84032.8D2788E0-- ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84032.8D2788E0 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <002a01c84032$8d2517e0$6c052052@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84032.8D2788E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 22:26:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0665F3BEF0; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:26:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:26:57 +0000 (UTC) Yes, exactly! I knew that would get a rise out of somebody. Partly a joke, but partly not, as I want to be a ghost buster / parapsychologist when I grow up. :) I'd like to test my theories scientifically. Kris On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:09 PM, tEd ® KiLLiAn wrote: > Krispen, > > Huh? > > Please explain. > > On Dec 16, 2007, at 1:11 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> 5. An apparition > I do believe he's saying he'd like to see a revenant--a ghost. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 16 23:55:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C1AC3BEF5; Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4765BB60.3070701@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:57:20 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0agj6.A.S6B.5rbZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:55:38 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, exactly! I knew that would get a rise out of somebody. Partly a > joke, but partly not, as I want to be a ghost buster / parapsychologist > when I grow up. :) I'd like to test my theories scientifically. > > Kris > Here's a good place to start: http://www.randi.org/ Brian From valantineubah8@hotmail.com Mon Dec 17 00:17:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 304 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:17:18 UTC Received: from bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.235]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4773BEE7; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W28 ([65.54.250.128]) by bay0-omc3-s35.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:12:14 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_15eb9ade-c341-42c8-9b0e-4aabcd1e292a_" X-Originating-IP: [216.226.74.229] From: val ub Subject: CONTACT HIM NOW. 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In appreciation of your earlier assi= stance to me in receiving the funds, I have decided to compensate you with = the sum of $850,000.00(Eight Hundred and Fifty Thousand United States Dolla= rs) in a Cashier's cheque. This is from my own share. I did this simply to = show appreciation to you for your kind support and assistance even though w= e could not succeed due to some unforseen circumstances and reason.
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Presently, I am in Paraguay for investment project with my own share = under the advice of my partner. Meanwhile, I didn't forget your past effort= s and attempts to assist me in transferring this funds despite the fact tha= t we could not succeed. I will be sending you e-mail from time to time to k= now if you have received your share or not.
 
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I felt like I needed some direction. = "When you are=20 our size you've really got to hustle and play hard as much as = possible," coach=20 Van Holt said.
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" Kenneth Turan in the Los Angeles = Times writes an=20 equally ecstatic review of the movie, based on an acclaimed novel by = Ian=20 McEwan.
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Whenever we played defense, we made = runs and=20 got back in it.
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Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:11:36 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.165]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A38B63BEA6 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:11:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY115-W36 ([65.54.250.136]) by bay0-omc2-s29.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:06:31 -0800 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e8835aab-0077-46f2-8402-6fdb3549740d_" X-Originating-IP: [216.226.74.229] From: val ubah Subject: CONTACT HIM NOW. Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:06:31 +0200 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Dec 2007 01:06:31.0092 (UTC) FILETIME=[0F24CF40:01C84049] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_e8835aab-0077-46f2-8402-6fdb3549740d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Dear , It is my pleasure to reach you after our unsuccessful attempt= on our business transaction. Well, I just want to use this medium to thank= you very much for your earlier assistance to help me in receiving the fund= s, without any positive outcome. I am obliged to inform you that I have suc= ceeded in receiving the funds with the help of a new partner from Paraguay = Mr. Fernando Alvaro Gomez. Everything was perfectly done because we strike = a deal with one of the Lady Accountant who works with the Federal Ministry = of Finance (FMF), and she rendered a tremendous help to us. My new partner = initiated this idea and everything worked out successfully. In appreciation= of your earlier assistance to me in receiving the funds, I have decided to= compensate you with the sum of $850,000.00(Eight Hundred and Fifty Thousan= d United States Dollars) in a Cashier's cheque. This is from my own share. = I did this simply to show appreciation to you for your kind support and ass= istance even though we could not succeed due to some unforseen circumstance= s and reason. Presently, I am in Paraguay for investment project with my ow= n share under the advice of my partner. Meanwhile, I didn't forget your pas= t efforts and attempts to assist me in transferring this funds despite the = fact that we could not succeed. I will be sending you e-mail from time to t= ime to know if you have received your share or not. In the light of the abo= ve, you are therefore, to contact my personal assistant , Mr.Sadiq Adams a= nd do send him your contact address where you want the cheque to be sent to= you and also your phone number, this is the email to contact Mr.Sadiq Adam= s e-mail address: sadiqadams1960@yahoo.com Please do let me know immediat= ely you receive it so that we can share the joy together after all the suff= ering at that time. In the moment, I am very busy here in Asuncion the capi= tal city of Paraguay because of the investment projects, which the new part= ner and I are having at hand. So feel free to get in touch with young Tony = to send the cheque to you without any delay. With My Best Regards,Valantine= Ubah. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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It is my pleasure to reach you af= ter our unsuccessful attempt on our business transaction. Well, I just want= to use this medium to thank you very much for your earlier assistance to h= elp me in receiving the funds, without any positive outcome.
 
I= am obliged to inform you that I have succeeded in receiving the funds with= the help of a new partner from Paraguay Mr. Fernando Alvaro Gomez. Everyth= ing was perfectly done because we strike a deal with one of the Lady Accoun= tant who works with the Federal Ministry of Finance (FMF), and she rendered= a tremendous help to us. My new partner initiated this idea and everything= worked out successfully.
 
In appreciation of your earlier assi= stance to me in receiving the funds, I have decided to compensate you with = the sum of $850,000.00(Eight Hundred and Fifty Thousand United States Dolla= rs) in a Cashier's cheque. This is from my own share. I did this simply to = show appreciation to you for your kind support and assistance even though w= e could not succeed due to some unforseen circumstances and reason.
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Presently, I am in Paraguay for investment project with my own share = under the advice of my partner. Meanwhile, I didn't forget your past effort= s and attempts to assist me in transferring this funds despite the fact tha= t we could not succeed. I will be sending you e-mail from time to time to k= now if you have received your share or not.
 
In the light of th= e above, you are therefore, to contact my personal assistant , Mr.Sadiq Ada= ms  and do send him your contact address where you want the cheque to = be sent to you and also your phone number, this is the email to contact Mr.= Sadiq Adams  e-mail address:  sadiqadams1960@yahoo.com
 
Please do let me know im= mediately you receive it so that we can share the joy together after all th= e suffering at that time. In the moment, I am very busy here in Asuncion th= e capital city of Paraguay because of the investment projects, which the ne= w partner and I are having at hand. So feel free to get in touch with young= Tony to send the cheque to you without any delay.
 
With My Bes= t Regards,
Valantine   Ubah.
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MSN Messenger = --_e8835aab-0077-46f2-8402-6fdb3549740d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 02:43:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0C2B3BECF; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:43:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3603 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:43:28 UTC Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:45:32 -0600 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-reply-to: <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <6B33D6EE-79C6-49B0-8985-29552E5A752C@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:43:29 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 16, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yes, exactly! I knew that would get a rise out of somebody. Partly > a joke, but partly not, as I want to be a ghost buster / > parapsychologist when I grow up. :) I'd like to test my theories > scientifically. Well, if you have any luck, please post. ;) I wrote my dissertation on hungry ghosts in Theravada Buddhism--fwiw. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 04:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 597FA3BECF; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04c201c84064$92c4d6e0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4765BB60.3070701@adelphia.net> Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:23:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) My favorite. I discovered Randi through Skeptic Magazine, of which I have piles of in my room. So far, no one has met the challenges, and I doubt anyone will. k- ----- Original Message ----- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Yes, exactly! I knew that would get a rise out of somebody. Partly a >> joke, but partly not, as I want to be a ghost buster / parapsychologist >> when I grow up. :) I'd like to test my theories scientifically. >> >> Kris >> > > Here's a good place to start: > > http://www.randi.org/ > > Brian > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 05:50:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC1653BEDC; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3620 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:50:08 UTC Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 23:46:00 -0500 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 In-reply-to: <04c201c84064$92c4d6e0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed References: <47652A98.20506@gordius.be> <037a01c84028$349db780$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <045501c84032$c3cc7cc0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <4765BB60.3070701@adelphia.net> <04c201c84064$92c4d6e0$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <9NDXBD.A.16E.Q4gZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Velocity sensitive drum pads on my steering wheel, with the synth output mixed with whatever is on the CD player or radio. -- "The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." F. Scott Fitzgerald Visit "Before the Fall -- Images of the World Trade Center" at http://www.foryourhead.com Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 07:10:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4985A3BEDC; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 304 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:09:59 UTC Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:04:26 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 12/17/2007 01:04:31 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:10:00 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 12/16/2007 and will not return until 12/31/2007. For telecom issues contact Greg Bouffard at 323 932 3793. For Genesys, Video or Audio Conferencing Contact Andrew James at 847 330-8713 ***** PLEASE NOTE ***** This E-Mail/telefax message and any documents accompanying this transmission may contain privileged and/or confidential information and is intended solely for the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the intended addressee/recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of, disclosure, copying, distribution, or reliance on the contents of this E-Mail/telefax information is strictly prohibited and may result in legal action against you. Please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission and immediately delete/destroy the message and any accompanying documents. Thank you.***** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 11:07:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D8353BEDE; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:07:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <203929C2-3A51-48DB-8BFB-017C1484324F@rithma.org> From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, mwsmart@insightbb.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-539076291 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Reaktor Loopers, anyone? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 03:06:48 -0800 References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> <8EDDA81C-BFB4-4D00-82F1-B254F3CF8D1B@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:07:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12-539076291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey just wanted to send a big THANK YOU to Mark Smart for linking me to those (somewhat insane) Reaktor creations of yours! nice work my friend! hope everyones swell rithers On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:18 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Hi. > I am a big Reaktor head, and for a while I was trying to do my > looping inside Reaktor. I came up with a looping ensemble that > basically works, but isn't all that great. I couldn't ever figure > out how to get rid of the clicks when it recycles: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html > There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to try it. > > I ended up getting Ableton because it does the job so much better > than anything I could build. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > --Apple-Mail-12-539076291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey just wanted to send a = big THANK YOU to Mark Smart for linking me to those (somewhat insane) = Reaktor creations of yours! 

nice work my = friend!

hope = everyones swell
rithers





On Nov 23, 2007, = at 10:18 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com = wrote:

Hi.
I am a big Reaktor head, and for a = while I was trying to do my looping inside Reaktor. I came up with a = looping ensemble that basically works, but isn't all that great. I = couldn't ever figure out how to get rid of the clicks when it = recycles:
 
There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to = try it.
 
I ended up getting Ableton because = it does the job so much better than anything I could build.
=
 
Mark Smart
=

 

= --Apple-Mail-12-539076291-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 13:41:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A28C33BEE0; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:41:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:41:01 +0100 Message-Id: Subject: Re:Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "Sjaak" To: "loopers-delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 217.68.49.65 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:41:04 +0000 (UTC) > FC300: So far I have not heard anyone say anything bad about this pedal= . > Two foot pedals, lots of inputs for others, can be used to control othe= r > devices as well. I use the FC300 and I can't say anything bad about it. =0A---=0AScarlet O= ne, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0Ahttp://www.scarlet.be/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 13:53:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFAF63BEDF; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:52:47 -0800 Subject: Live Loops Video Thread-Topic: Live Loops Video Thread-Index: Acgot+FJ/RRvO44BRj6zfwEQo7ZrYQB+8+RABX/6txA= Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-cr-hashedpuzzle: 3w== ASUJ A1Tw Cll3 C5rY EUKX FLPJ FTzo F4Xd GNJJ GOBP Idbj LbXw LrrQ LthM M21+;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{36B8DC86-89FA-4523-89EB-0A35F32DC86E};ZwBsAGUAbgBuAC4AcABvAG8AcgBtAGEAbgBAAGEAdQB0AG8AZABlAHMAawAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:52:47 GMT;TABpAHYAZQAgAEwAbwBvAHAAcwAgAFYAaQBkAGUAbwA= x-cr-puzzleid: {36B8DC86-89FA-4523-89EB-0A35F32DC86E} acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever advertised this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DiPxLuM6WFYM The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 14:24:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D40B3BEDC; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=2l2u9Mc57l/PuPZW3b9H9tzAyULUT9LQ2F8Oi0w3qaA=; b=RoO7lvOdIWacS3fmn2xbTR2e+tmdrNpAs6tYjxEtCBz3thS5GgQHf8VZkMv1pJZpEuTqZhL4xwHmdeo9yZCeCo1BrB8IRA+RoXfNTHpX1xKZdN56l5DE8r4H2tUN8eMnPmqpvXkefIRcI+W2IMExnq3Zv08e4mam1udyfSB14Sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=uOZgcAdKhu0Ljp6AAZfiUBWBe796xZwv3C10/SFqba6H1ITioY/xt+lJlX+0tN9NsB9EsPOBGS66X214AYfJY9Sm4VCO7LArZBX11Qply0WJ39TBrgisxULmJtw2nsTyZ0mt/MB6S+9cgU71Hc5rfsey3tLCfGeRXRaxBM9IBPo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:24:10 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1562iD.A.UQC.QaoZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:24:17 +0000 (UTC) On 17 dec 2007, at 14.52, Glenn Poorman wrote: > With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think > I've ever advertised this video here. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM > > The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The > tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the > very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. > > The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The > EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. > > Glenn Thanks. Cool! Unusual musical style for stick. Almost got a techno vibe to it. Nice setup with cars driving by outside the window. The stick is such a versatile instrument! It seems to need some proper amplification though, as implied by this unplugged stick video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyLPeRZAOho&feature=related But hey - what is the guy in the video linked below doing? A while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it sounds as he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and not on the bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone making use of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 14:44:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F4F63BEEE; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,177,1196658000"; d="scan'208";a="148042926" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAHcaZkdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBV4EYjCGabA Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:44:14 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Loopers, anyone? In-reply-to: <203929C2-3A51-48DB-8BFB-017C1484324F@rithma.org> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LMlYz83qwXHK4ObnVES4nA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> <8EDDA81C-BFB4-4D00-82F1-B254F3CF8D1B@earthlink.net> <203929C2-3A51-48DB-8BFB-017C1484324F@rithma.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:44:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LMlYz83qwXHK4ObnVES4nA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline No problem. I'm glad to spread the insanity around. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_LMlYz83qwXHK4ObnVES4nA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
No problem. I'm glad to spread the insanity around.
 
Mark Smart
--Boundary_(ID_LMlYz83qwXHK4ObnVES4nA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 15:35:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76F283BEDE; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <644e377ec2d32e4be9048c03860881fe@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Yamaha MFC10 or Roland FC300? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 07:34:59 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:35:06 +0000 (UTC) I also use the FC300. But I've only had it since October and only use it to control a VG-99 (for which, in fact, it seems especially well suited by design). Just how well it would do for controlling hardware or software loopers I have not even contemplated nor have a clue. But it seems to have all the usual MIDI capabilities one would expect. But that's not what I got it for. Sorry. Cheers, Ted On Dec 17, 2007, at 5:41 AM, Sjaak wrote: >> FC300: So far I have not heard anyone say anything bad about this >> pedal. >> Two foot pedals, lots of inputs for others, can be used to control >> other >> devices as well. > > I use the FC300 and I can't say anything bad about it. > --- > Scarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95... > http://www.scarlet.be/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 16:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AD6F3BEC7; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SsDJrFVwboGuZ1QCLE07dZrELHm+qE60hYYUijP5thgK7DZp1cqxmI8+LgACtKc2WLK8anJu8WVfuw9H4NB9gpgWwYeOMmUPLgEwlCksqXrb+WxlBrSi3WcVznfBDR8efW9urTxbsE3OEhyiabI8aYF5Wsdj8Bcl9NrOprMWUNo=; X-YMail-OSG: DM.8vLoVM1l8.NP1Xh0cN9bbIkoSzb2pIncjXgGhvmJ_1Mb4Sh3lNPazCE4EJ6R3Qiy5HOCHBDHvx5VJHOPJ492jcLXFba2rIevyR0nZivgTBB_Imvs- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:10:34 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Live Loops Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <470113.25800.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Hey Glenn! I remeber seeing this video years ago at your website is still very impressive! also your web lays out very nice and clear your rig setup. Say werent you using a Rane rack eq (i think the AP13) for the split pickups? I was actually cosidering getting one for my stereo trance audio acoustic guitar pickup but it doesnt look like they make them anymore,they were also quite pricey as i remeber. cheers Luis --- Glenn Poorman wrote: > Hi all, > > With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that > I don't think > I've ever advertised this video here. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM > > The video was shot at a live coffee house > performance in 2002. The > tune is actually about three years older than that > and probably the > very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. > > The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum > machine. The > EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song > start/stop. > > Glenn > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 16:42:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB25D3BEE2; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=aDcp0RK9ej2+MWg2MTxdaL8w2P3cV7ZTzo7Yn8GFBg2vjAqf1Znqnt1iPATAiaqiOExgalS93HKz2sF4hIm9W0WeJQ2AiIl+octOBZKHTYdT5KoHVpFruiSm/SKyHDkXCrN6O2AbeXzNgwFD0ZZpHywUP8bChEzIVTnemp+4uek= ; X-YMail-OSG: OeNjSe0VM1ni1WVeXRKbOWHz6GvG1eUr1M69ouYdaRCeWAVyPKUDGevxZrvhphJKs8oJ5yWeiEtVgCNr9wFyk5zpqzVgpIETKCmpdtMyXt4KlJOIxewXDYMjszk- Message-ID: <004e01c840cb$be2df200$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> Subject: Re: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:41:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071217-0, 17/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:42:03 +0000 (UTC) Really enjoyed that Glenn! Thanks. Ricky www.rickygraham.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Live Loops Video Hi all, With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever advertised this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 17:24:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83B5D3BEDE; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:24:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <055101c840d1$a3424170$6801a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> <8EDDA81C-BFB4-4D00-82F1-B254F3CF8D1B@earthlink.net> <203929C2-3A51-48DB-8BFB-017C1484324F@rithma.org> Subject: Re: Reaktor Loopers, anyone? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:24:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_054E_01C84096.F66056C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:24:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_054E_01C84096.F66056C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are my favorite Reaktor enembles. These are major tone mangling = ensembles. Start with Blackbird. http://www.box.net/shared/g89bhx4zpv 74MB worth. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Hey just wanted to send a big THANK YOU to Mark Smart for linking me = to those (somewhat insane) Reaktor creations of yours!=20 nice work my friend! hope everyones swell rithers On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:18 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: Hi. I am a big Reaktor head, and for a while I was trying to do my = looping inside Reaktor. I came up with a looping ensemble that basically = works, but isn't all that great. I couldn't ever figure out how to get = rid of the clicks when it recycles: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to try it. I ended up getting Ableton because it does the job so much better = than anything I could build. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net =20 ------=_NextPart_000_054E_01C84096.F66056C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here are my favorite Reaktor enembles. = These are=20 major tone mangling ensembles. Start with Blackbird.
 
http://www.box.net/shared/g= 89bhx4zpv
 
74MB worth.

Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 
Hey just wanted to send a big THANK YOU to Mark Smart for linking = me to=20 those (somewhat insane) Reaktor creations of yours! 

nice work my friend!

hope everyones swell
rithers





On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:18 AM, mwsmart@insightbb.com = wrote:
Hi.
I am a big Reaktor head, and for a while I was trying to do my = looping=20 inside Reaktor. I came up with a looping ensemble that basically = works, but=20 isn't all that great. I couldn't ever figure out how to get rid of = the=20 clicks when it recycles:
 
http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html
There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to try = it.
 
I ended up getting Ableton because it does the job so much = better than=20 anything I could build.
 
Mark Smart
=

 

------=_NextPart_000_054E_01C84096.F66056C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 17:24:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1E203BEF4; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CvKDtzFXmnsuEnLG1v8F+Jvsbx7SHLIJu/ZX1YRPOMEurouuTMnckKOj2prlATdPBgo4+83vHLXWz9Ge/nABp5UezpUK61+jmMXAa0GWk1b7hmSkcVIqstONyB4L6OhcVuYd3QbRojumefQWoYNjxZwDhK2VRQLqx70G+Qc81GI=; X-YMail-OSG: Z.pnMTEVM1lKZT8fR5MMsmMKxd8nm2XiZhhqRH4cbZDNZ.3E5j2lKQvh_boYdyKHl2YoqAHAuqVGcIaDssTgp7QJ8I41HSuLXI0xWrIfkgPumjB46J0- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:24:22 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Live Loops Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c840cb$be2df200$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <763994.60127.qm@web34211.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Glen!!! That vid was truly remarkable!!! You should introduce yourself to Paul Oakenfold, Bjork Tiesto and Darude' Brother!!! Make some really big bucks collaborating with International DJ's. I could introduce you to Darude at some point in the future! He is a very kind and intelligent man. I have been struggling with a ton of busted up equipment trying to do what you do live. Im still pulling it off but nothing like the efficiency that you do. My main looper is the original boomerang and it only can spit out what you feed it. It is great fun but only so much can be controlled at any given point in time. Happy Christmas Merry New Year Fellow Loopy friend. Oh by the way Im designing and building a instrument similar to what you are playing right now inbetween breaking up a lot of ice. We are dealing with thousands of tons of broken branches and trees what a mess but Im finding some real good wood to build with out of the deal :o) --- Ricky Graham wrote: > Really enjoyed that Glenn! Thanks. > > Ricky > www.rickygraham.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Poorman" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 1:52 PM > Subject: Live Loops Video > > > Hi all, > > With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think > I've ever advertised this video here. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM > > The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The > tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the > very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. > > The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The > EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. > > Glenn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 17:47:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AAC63BEE1; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:47:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId+I8HfVtc= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:47:59 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002301c840d4$f6ee5cc0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AchAuIFy8g7ODPyES2+Pcp1SUy+EQQAHE57Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:47:22 +0000 (UTC) > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked below doing? A > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it sounds as > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and not on the > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone making use > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y It's even more interesting if you look at the audience: at the beginning, there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha pedal, suddenly the room fills with the contents of the neighboring retirement home! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 18:59:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11C803BEC2; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=PXhq2AFCKgt8IwqJCwsA:9 a=gwBNQBYL1V01jMbdFkCWwgpH1bkA:4 a=bc-At0-sGGwA:10 a=6l-YtDrlaO7UjbqoML4A:9 a=GTxVnzfMDyVJpra1CsQA:7 a=oaw5JzqcEKm40jTqsbeNdaIxVSUA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-567444983 Message-Id: <9C95CF88-B7A9-42BB-9BD2-3D374FE14975@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:59:36 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:59:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-567444983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed that is way cool. i like it very much. if i hadn't seen the video i wouldn't have known it was chapman stick. On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: >> With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think >> I've ever advertised this video here. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM --Apple-Mail-1-567444983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII that is way cool. i like it very much. if i hadn't seen the video i wouldn't have known it was chapman stick.

On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think

I've ever advertised this video here.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM


--Apple-Mail-1-567444983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 19:01:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297793BEDF; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=Qy-dsoQs28-OqpDDFe8A:9 a=NGvR94g23nsEyXlcpeYgRnnsdTkA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=NVHxADLwyewA:10 a=LQ1s5-IILsIA:10 a=UjTY7a8jDfUd-uFqZ8oA:9 a=MjufCT3sTBDQ5NPqxnUA:7 a=rmifKsNdPYQLGh7I-Sn2iCCGJskA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <8F0EE7DD-B549-403A-AFB3-0A8F00DFAACA@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-567535710 References: <9C95CF88-B7A9-42BB-9BD2-3D374FE14975@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Fwd: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:01:07 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1Bo_XC.A.V5G.xdsZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 19:01:06 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-567535710 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed not that i don't like chapman stick, i mean! i played in a band with one for a long time. Begin forwarded message: > Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > From: info at zoekeating > Date: December 17, 2007 10:59:36 AM PST > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Live Loops Video > Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > that is way cool. i like it very much. if i hadn't seen the video i > wouldn't have known it was chapman stick. > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:24 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >>> With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think >>> I've ever advertised this video here. >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM > --Apple-Mail-2-567535710 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII not that i don't like chapman stick, i mean! i played in a band with one = for a long time.

Begin forwarded message:

From: info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com>
Date: = December 17, 2007 10:59:36 AM PST
Subject: Re: Live Loops = Video

that is way cool. i like it very much. if i hadn't = seen the video i wouldn't have known it was chapman = stick.

On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:24 AM, Per Boysen = wrote:

With all = the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't = think
I've ever advertised this = video here.

=


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Like Per, I thought that the cars and interested onlookers in the background really served the music well. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Poorman [mailto:glenn.poorman@autodesk.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Live Loops Video Hi all, With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever advertised this video here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. Glenn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 20:56:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C62303BEE4; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4766E275.6030200@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:56:21 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: small , inexpensive Asus laptop References: <001f01c8361e$01f7e080$6401a8c0@williamsteed> <4754BDEF.4010101@mhorse.com> <4754CB10.7010809@biink.com> <000c01c8388c$43781820$ca684860$@com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:56:30 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen schrieb: > These two factors will probably make it less good for audio: > >>> Processor: Intel Celeron M ULV 900MHz >>> Graphics: Integrated Intel GMA 900 GPU Still shouldn't be too hard to implement 4 EDP's and a 4 Repeaters in parallel in Pd. 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Prove it! per ;-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 22:09:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D11FC3BEE7; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:09:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <077E949B-D0C3-4EAD-9F38-AF266C42FBF5@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: ah the good old jamman Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:09:16 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:09:22 +0000 (UTC) hi all, the good old Lexicon Jam Man is featured again heavily in looping a whole band in 12 bit on a new track of Rope called "Sunra63". Additionally featuring Neil Carlill of Delicatessen/Vedette/5 Little Elephants as lyricist and lead vocalist, Toni Maiof of Bristol based noise band Geisha on synth and Italian drummer Nico Lippolis. This track is part of the upcoming 3rd Rope album "A bientot runs on light". Find "Sunra63" here: http://www.myspace.com/itsnofuntocompute or here: http://rope.kliklak.net Enjoy. jayrope - berlin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 22:45:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5047D3BEF0; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YLywHyCdN4tIFJplzIVw1u/xPwfipH4NkXD4M4chUyA=; b=HSbEG1zVI8e5k7zkJluqjX3pBxyWTAINE21YX397DUCRrnrWNt4wx811a4iJ+suhpKNKud+lDLN5UNJ4K7W7rwWH3nKQ9xwc1ynR0B7yvXmfF1pCHAfG6xwUNOjoBJ/mKWAqEpIdytOhPnSyvm64c0D5JvrA3Qs3TixG7LPwnB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IvxaD4mCqdkJxP8PFnRLfy2tWbPYVtuNYNFn6sh7SVIybr3wMp6jZjVliNfJSq3c0IuTTymf3Rjz4ufHGqZxuXCVUdGbxezL2G5O5Sao5KyghNdmTiZ+1t/zHqeoeNLx1NXK0Ux7XM+W8YRWrXq8xSguxnr8pJ6abKqN/ShDcfo= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:45:46 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Reaktor Loopers, anyone? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15893_28555573.1197931546129" References: <001101c8256a$679b2100$1001a8c0@succubus> <172038C2-3010-422C-BBB7-0B1035749DAB@rithma.org> <8EDDA81C-BFB4-4D00-82F1-B254F3CF8D1B@earthlink.net> Resent-Message-ID: <5jFZ7.A.aOC.awvZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:45:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15893_28555573.1197931546129 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So then... anybody has built something within Reaktor which has the basic functions of a looper without clicks of anykind? 2007/11/23, mwsmart@insightbb.com : > > Hi. > I am a big Reaktor head, and for a while I was trying to do my looping > inside Reaktor. I came up with a looping ensemble that basically works, but > isn't all that great. I couldn't ever figure out how to get rid of the > clicks when it recycles: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/bysynth/reaktor/reaktor.html > There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to try it. > > I ended up getting Ableton because it does the job so much better than > anything I could build. > > Mark Smart > http://www.marksmart.net > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_15893_28555573.1197931546129 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline So then... anybody has built something within Reaktor which
has the basic functions of a looper without clicks of anykind?

2007/11/23, mwsmart@insightbb.com <mwsmart@insightbb.com>:
Hi.
I am a big Reaktor head, and for a while I was trying to do my looping inside Reaktor. I came up with a looping ensemble that basically works, but isn't all that great. I couldn't ever figure out how to get rid of the clicks when it recycles:
 
There is some other crazy stuff on that page if you want to try it.
 
I ended up getting Ableton because it does the job so much better than anything I could build.
 
Mark Smart

 



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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_15893_28555573.1197931546129-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 17 23:14:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3B8B3BEF5; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 451 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:14:23 UTC X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BFlY1LibAAAA:8 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=nJ4blgvLVuTNZ1C-FmMA:9 a=JS1wSHcjTZorbHAHwO4A:7 a=x-3hDFT7df9lN3oywwPbkvEE7tkA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <000d01c84101$84ac3470$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Live Loops Video Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:06:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:14:23 +0000 (UTC) This is pretty cool, Trey Gunn on unplugged Warr guitar http://treygunnlive.blip.tv/file/410320/ There is more stuff at http://treygunnlive.blip.tv/posts?view=archive peace, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Live Loops Video > On 17 dec 2007, at 14.52, Glenn Poorman wrote: > >> With all the talk of videos, it occurred to me that I don't think >> I've ever advertised this video here. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPxLuM6WFYM >> >> The video was shot at a live coffee house performance in 2002. The >> tune is actually about three years older than that and probably the >> very first tune I ever did using Stick and loops. >> >> The setup is stereo EDPs synced up to a Roland drum machine. The >> EDPs are master, controlling tempo and song start/stop. >> >> Glenn > > > Thanks. Cool! Unusual musical style for stick. Almost got a techno vibe > to it. Nice setup with cars driving by outside the window. > > The stick is such a versatile instrument! It seems to need some proper > amplification though, as implied by this unplugged stick video: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyLPeRZAOho&feature=related > > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked below doing? A while into > the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it sounds as he has it only on the > upper (soloist) strings and not on the bass strings. Wow, first time I > have seen someone making use of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > http://www.youtube.com/pellibox (gritty) > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: > 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 AM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 00:38:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A88023BECF; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:38:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D_cDje0eAAAA:8 a=PrOWKy1qKCKKkBYZPE0A:9 a=FweF6RtYhYWc7mZkNvlbhFJG_wUA:4 a=BIyjRCWDc3EA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <731D60BE-D703-46B4-933E-BE0AEBC3194D@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: info at zoekeating Subject: wot i want for xmas Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:38:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:38:51 +0000 (UTC) it's not a cello, but it is so cute! the tenori on http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 02:13:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE7173BEEA; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vu7nuryutCWk3Q7rbh3awIiFyr5PTA0iERIWC2zNM6Q=; b=i1qgu8J3RLrxd6vbe6ih5k7S6d/pjq70u/wQgIXtfjNQL0l3b/pQqSsRfEkSL+mXB3+z9p5XKUGzZRJZ6ca5+y6ReOwaMFYtBN7iZBtHuIXLAYuH6yNU1fkBiL/SkBDBTGMQZ1MdEMfCcPpjb2XwoS9VfFQm2T898YkjQXwOO6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Rcl+xgYlMto5w5TslgiC1DF7bPmzJQqrMG2LoXu6lxwAJ48vBhGOW5RT1t7Gx/o3kx66WrDTbKIIT6koucuycD/OtraWPFiDv2KCngrmPqtT1SOv7n/ZDxEnDPFKq73aHzD2SUeKL6u+qUXG4y2Zc4dPEixSZOsB1VnwdbAeZLk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:13:33 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: wot i want for xmas In-Reply-To: <731D60BE-D703-46B4-933E-BE0AEBC3194D@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13260_233871.1197944013668" References: <731D60BE-D703-46B4-933E-BE0AEBC3194D@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_k7NL.A.e5.QzyZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:13:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13260_233871.1197944013668 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Zoe, In the words of some of my other most favorite Canadians: "...if I had a million dollars ... " *smile May the rest of you Xmas wishes come true, Dennis P.S. It IS cute .. .Nick Rothwell got to see it in London and was raving about it! On Dec 17, 2007 7:38 PM, info at zoekeating wrote: > it's not a cello, but it is so cute! > > the tenori on > > http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html > > ------=_Part_13260_233871.1197944013668 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Zoe,

In the words of some of my other most favorite Canadians:

    "...if I had a million dollars ... "

*smile

May the rest of you Xmas wishes come true,

Dennis

P.S. It IS cute .. .Nick Rothwell got to see it in London and was raving about it!

On Dec 17, 2007 7:38 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> wrote:
it's not a cello, but it is so cute!

the tenori on

http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html


------=_Part_13260_233871.1197944013668-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 02:58:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C445E3BEEE; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=D_cDje0eAAAA:8 a=CamMOK3O-iAv_x_Dv48A:9 a=AY2OPyPArcEtEPN3i_H2SE1854kA:4 a=NVHxADLwyewA:10 a=55zalpP9CjoA:10 a=d24W7jU4qDQFAhD0TDIA:9 a=UsKzox0FV-xJ2rqSRjUA:7 a=l0OuGUdKA9k_CPQSA0yw6O43f3wA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <731D60BE-D703-46B4-933E-BE0AEBC3194D@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-596172230 Message-Id: <5AD8003C-872B-4206-A49A-70AC9A5B2BB0@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: wot i want for xmas, magic Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:58:24 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 02:58:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-596172230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed oh, i don't really want it for myself. i'm not generally a materialist...but that japanese design cuteness factor, gets me everytime. it looks like something that would really cheer you up on a cold, damp, winter evening. what i like about it is that the visual interface is similar to how i envision my loops in my minds eye when i'm playing. also, i guess there have been other "visual" instruments, but this is the first i've seen that has a "magical" feel. kind of like the feeling i got when i first used a chaos pad. On Dec 17, 2007, at 6:13 PM, Dennis Moser wrote: > Zoe, > > In the words of some of my other most favorite Canadians: > > "...if I had a million dollars ... " > > *smile > > May the rest of you Xmas wishes come true, > > Dennis > > P.S. It IS cute .. .Nick Rothwell got to see it in London and was > raving about it! > > On Dec 17, 2007 7:38 PM, info at zoekeating > wrote: > it's not a cello, but it is so cute! > > the tenori on > > http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html > > --Apple-Mail-1-596172230 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 oh, i don't really want it for = myself. i'm not generally a materialist...but that japanese design = cuteness factor, gets me everytime. it looks like something that would = really cheer you up on a cold, damp, winter evening.

what i like about it is = that the visual interface is similar to how i envision my loops in my = minds eye when i'm playing. also, i guess there have been other "visual" = instruments, but this is the first i've seen that has a "magical" = feel.

kind = of like the feeling i got when i first used a chaos pad.=A0



On Dec 17, 2007, = at 6:13 PM, Dennis Moser wrote:

Zoe,

In the words of some of my other most favorite = Canadians:

=A0=A0=A0 "...if I had a million dollars ... = "

*smile

May the rest of you Xmas wishes come = true,

Dennis

P.S. It IS cute .. .Nick Rothwell got to see = it in London and was raving about it!

On Dec 17, 2007 7:38 PM, info at zoekeating <info@zoekeating.com> = wrote:
it's not a cello, but it is so cute!

the tenori = on

http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html


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================== From A Friend To a Friend From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 06:57:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31E2D3BED5; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5AD8003C-872B-4206-A49A-70AC9A5B2BB0@zoekeating.com> References: <731D60BE-D703-46B4-933E-BE0AEBC3194D@zoekeating.com> <5AD8003C-872B-4206-A49A-70AC9A5B2BB0@zoekeating.com> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:57:51 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: wot i want for xmas, magic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:57:57 +0000 (UTC) At 6:58 PM -0800 12/17/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >oh, i don't really want it for myself. i'm not generally a >materialist...but that japanese design cuteness factor, gets me >everytime. The really ironic thing is that while it's just brimming with that "japanese design cuteness" (kawaii-ney?), the Japanese themselves have never heard of this instrument. The *only* available "test market" is the UK. Seriously, I was in Japan when this was released to the UK. I figured that in Yamaha's home nation, they'd do some sort of PR or something. Nope. I asked high and low -- from Kansai to Kanto -- and on almost every occasion I ended up having to direct the staff to the Tenori-On website. They'd never even heard of it. Of course, they thought it was pretty darn cool once I'd introduced them to it. I find this kinda weird, considering that Tenori-On designer Toshio Iwai had a pretty decent hit in Japan with his last musical toy, Electroplankton for the Nintendo DS. That's still on the shelves over there (which is saying a lot for a video game) while hardly anyone outside of Japan has heard of it. I'd think Yamaha would want to capitalize on his prior success, but go figure.... Then I wrote Yamaha themselves trying to get any information on when they were going to be introducing it into the Japanese or American markets. Despite multiple different queries, I could never get past, "That hasn't been decided yet. Thanks for asking. B'bye!" They won't allow their retailers to ship it outside the UK either. Aaaaaargh! :P --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 07:46:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E22C73BEDB; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Dkrt/RtPP1iTl+VD2kNQjg0a6QTSdLtBYAJ3E/u80iL1lSONEi86OZgk4PPveQJRUgjFePTAaOhwi5YYUheQdp+KmnjOn8h0pOKAkFWBAEKcr1j6eeBigiYlHgJJT6/MZ6KUjF2OSiRIl8S1kqM+3GMA3snxJ3RaYPffPwsATGs=; X-YMail-OSG: xLXEpr4VM1nIbH7_6YKOv6TCKfC29.BSoBsQcNof1.v44LFOSYE7xMTbVK0ZttVcpnPbcsZy99dmigktyycIpKKy_J_z5V5qp3D9kHzny7aW51TQpgLMABQMQTocoA-- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 23:46:23 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: Live Loops Video To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002301c840d4$f6ee5cc0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <93386.34549.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 07:46:24 +0000 (UTC) Yes an amazing instrument that requires amazing tehnique isnt it,you can have synth sounds and pure guitar through one pickup and keep the bass clean through the other, but the warr guitar has better looks;-) Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked > below doing? A > > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it > sounds as > > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and > not on the > > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone > making use > > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y > > It's even more interesting if you look at the > audience: at the beginning, > there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha > pedal, suddenly the room > fills with the contents of the neighboring > retirement home! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 09:02:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D17113BEF3; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:02:16 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200712180902.lBI92Gr8023474@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Live Loops Video - Stick vs. Warr X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: <9ENbiD.A.IjE.cy4ZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:02:20 +0000 (UTC) > through the other, but the warr guitar has better > looks;-) And, according to an assessment by Warr guitarist/former Stickist/looper Br= ian Kenney Fresno, "it doesn't make you look gay". (check out the video here: http://www.bonghitrecords.com/bonghit/Live.htm) (For a gig review by an accomplished expert, go to http://www.bonghitrecord= s.com/bonghit/press.htm#ldc). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 10:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF11A3BEF9; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; bh=Iz8I3Pfp8vquR/2ZQbI5piCOhLeFlOXPcFf8l2zOK0s=; b=rYMii6d+pdpLLJGe4034dfaw3aQYTNCdSrznJbnloVt6E8xgpFP6SdE+Ql/4clb5ssYhT84lgrbzJSMAgHYakwsIvF2aFC29Gt20EtzMMimYOF2T7ZnUtZ0p+Wihw2tHVogwp/qIv16CiV9hsUFEmEnuvDFwNdemUmcqVJKT2O8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:content-type:to:from:subject:date:x-mailer; b=GKU3/Kyu+5wBWO+1d7FFkG2+v45iShqdygn7ytqThWvx5OkgLyPsJtuRTfvppHzNoA0OfRt1K3rDlYE8qhUpNBfESnrM6jogNjc9AhagEAwV2Mc/NjMfJmzY+p1Yy1G/rd9FKseti2NGDbidH6Fo6MI9LXqCmOzbOH6cZ4Gb6p4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <23F0E6F9-2A87-44DB-A95B-7B8315391E17@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers From: Per Boysen Subject: "spiritual successor" to the (no-longer available) Koan generative music engine Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:09:33 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:09:38 +0000 (UTC) New interesting software: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-=20= engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/ > December 18, 2007 Loopy C wrote: >> I have for many years found the original =91Koan=92 engine to be =20 >> unique in it=92s rules, interactions, and output=85truly Noatikl =20 >> continues this tradition to my ears. I own quite a few =20 >> =91generative=92 engines and Intermorphic=92s approach is definitely =20= >> unique, there is much more going on under the hood than =91just =20 >> random=92, any time spent with it (the demo has a very generous 30 =20= >> day trial) should easily bear this out to anyone who appreciates =20 >> the art involved in working with generative/computer assisted =20 >> composition. Of course it does take some exploring to understand =20 >> the difference, I am sure that truly interested artists will =20 >> easily discern the difference for themselves. I myself the =20 >> interface VERY easy on the eyes and a upgrade from the =91Koan=92 = GUI. > Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 11:09:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CDAD03BEF7; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:09:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5iD6vO8Cw5FLy28mkWDOJW1t6F18m7Zx6OjB8qf1P+M=; b=Kd3Tru3uU3WXff9IVnxsUG+2ZBMVazzK7nFHDwoSitRXR30/Mlf3Me01yRoq6wYkXNVxm1gb+U1QWHSarin3QxRtHx3geASdlJVod4j7RiOqJRxdvnfoRa1i7B7IuHPcBEjKsJCmMQcDyd3cYkkj2R+EePb4S0yOv31LrVi363g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iob909CrVtnoYfewHq1OMERELxlLZVsQqNWhcBKUuYVmQlH0AgaKIghswMgwlisa2xJe0Iaj4shN/l/+McrURQTTne641C4qfH3QpKGMrNK8Mcui/Z58p42dtSdQR60ji5xWc6kTLpNlKR61Hx/uWO8x7sEdnIzTnAmw3lPu3OU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:09:22 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Live Loops Video In-Reply-To: <93386.34549.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14549_27483297.1197976162666" References: <002301c840d4$f6ee5cc0$1001a8c0@succubus> <93386.34549.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:09:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14549_27483297.1197976162666 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hasn't this (guitar, bass, synth all on separate channels) been the goal of many of us all along? The clean control of signal processing each "channel" of sound that is created ... I'd care less about the looks of the instrument (well, up to a point ... I rather like the "anti-aesthetic" of The Stick, rather than the err, ungainliness of the Warr and their ilk) if I could get each voice to sound clearly as an individual voice. True contrapuntal polyphony at our fingertips ... all those MIDI guitar experiments of giving each string a separate and controllable channel ... It's one of the reasons I was experimenting with the old Vortexes ... trying to get a separate processing chain for each of the 3 voices coming off the Godin ... I confess, though, I failed miserably the first time I tried to play a Stick ... it intimidated the hell out of me. But I am still fascinated by it and its' possibilities. Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 2:46 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Yes an amazing instrument that requires amazing > tehnique isnt it,you can have synth sounds and pure > guitar through one pickup and keep the bass clean > through the other, but the warr guitar has better > looks;-) > Luis > > > > --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > > > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked > > below doing? A > > > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it > > sounds as > > > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and > > not on the > > > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone > > making use > > > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y > > > > It's even more interesting if you look at the > > audience: at the beginning, > > there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha > > pedal, suddenly the room > > fills with the contents of the neighboring > > retirement home! > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > ------=_Part_14549_27483297.1197976162666 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hasn't this (guitar, bass, synth all on separate channels) been the goal of many of us all along?

The clean control of signal processing each "channel" of sound that is created ... I'd care less about the looks of the instrument (well, up to a point ... I rather like the "anti-aesthetic" of The Stick, rather than the err, ungainliness of the Warr and their ilk) if I could get each voice to sound clearly as an individual voice. True contrapuntal polyphony at our fingertips ... all those MIDI guitar experiments of giving each string a separate and controllable channel ...

It's one of the reasons I was experimenting with the old Vortexes ... trying to get a separate processing chain for each of the 3 voices coming off the Godin ... I confess, though, I failed miserably the first time I tried to play a Stick ... it intimidated the hell out of me. But I am still fascinated by it and its' possibilities.

Dennis

On Dec 18, 2007 2:46 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Yes an amazing instrument that requires amazing
tehnique isnt it,you can have synth sounds and pure
guitar through one pickup and keep the bass clean
through the other, but the warr guitar has better
looks;-)
Luis



--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:

> > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked
> below doing? A
> > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it
> sounds as
> > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and
> not on the
> > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone
> making use
> > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzegYhjNF3Y
>
> It's even more interesting if you look at the
> audience: at the beginning,
> there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha
> pedal, suddenly the room
> fills with the contents of the neighboring
> retirement home!
>
>


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------=_Part_14549_27483297.1197976162666-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 11:27:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83E283BEE2; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002b01c84168$ea255ae0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <23F0E6F9-2A87-44DB-A95B-7B8315391E17@gmail.com> Subject: Re: "spiritual successor" to the (no-longer available) Koan generative music engine Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:27:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:27:15 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Tuesday, 18 December, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: "spiritual successor" to the (no-longer available) Koan generative music engine > New interesting software: > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/ Actually, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it's the software that 'rocks out'? > > >> December 18, 2007 Loopy C wrote: > >>> I have for many years found the original ‘Koan’ engine to be unique in >>> it’s rules, interactions, and output…truly Noatikl continues this >>> tradition to my ears. I own quite a few ‘generative’ engines and >>> Intermorphic’s approach is definitely unique, there is much more going >>> on under the hood than ‘just random’, any time spent with it (the demo >>> has a very generous 30 day trial) should easily bear this out to anyone >>> who appreciates the art involved in working with generative/computer >>> assisted composition. Of course it does take some exploring to >>> understand the difference, I am sure that truly interested artists will >>> easily discern the difference for themselves. I myself the interface >>> VERY easy on the eyes and a upgrade from the ‘Koan’ GUI. >> > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:00:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCADE3BF01; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:00:12 -0800 Subject: RE: Live Loops Video Thread-Topic: Live Loops Video Thread-Index: AchAuJF93aGgq6+ER+uMhJpkAK9e/gAxTy6Q Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EDB@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF740741176F7C52D8@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <24C63353-0DC0-4D29-9422-01C2E29F2440@webworkz.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF74074117705D97B0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <139F376E-60A3-445F-A91E-DE5063BA4E20@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <-r_NW.A.ocE.wJ9ZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Yeah ... a bit of a drawback. There will be no tapping around the campfire for me during the summer. At least not without a portable amp but that kind of takes the rustic nature of it away :-( Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 9:24 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Video > The stick is such a versatile instrument! It seems to need some > proper amplification though, as implied by this unplugged stick > video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DAyLPeRZAOho&feature=3Drelated From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:01:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA76B3BF07; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:01:29 -0800 Subject: RE: Live Loops Video Thread-Topic: Live Loops Video Thread-Index: AchAx3TljgXu4SfqThWYGEFtayIKwwAtt6Fg Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EE0@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987713@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> <470113.25800.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <470113.25800.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Luis. I did use a Rane for quite a while. I really like the unit. It's very clean and offers a lot of fine control over the tone. But when I switched to active pickups, I found I didn't need it as much and jumped at any excuse to make my rig just a little smaller. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: L.A. Angulo [mailto:labaloops@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:11 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Live Loops Video Hey Glenn! I remeber seeing this video years ago at your website is still very impressive! also your web lays out very nice and clear your rig setup. Say werent you using a Rane rack eq (i think the AP13) for the split pickups? I was actually cosidering getting one for my stereo trance audio acoustic guitar pickup but it doesnt look like they make them anymore,they were also quite pricey as i remeber. cheers Luis From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 14:17:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 036D73BF10; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 06:17:10 -0800 Subject: RE: AW: Live Loops Video Thread-Topic: AW: Live Loops Video Thread-Index: AchBZoRY2/XgGvjrRVuTXqocn3HxFAAGTeLA Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EEF@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <002301c840d4$f6ee5cc0$1001a8c0@succubus> <93386.34549.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EEFADSKNAMSG01MG_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: <1VjP9C.A.iCF.qZ9ZHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:17:15 +0000 (UTC) --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EEFADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well ... the looks are purely subjective so I won't go there. The technique itself isn't nearly as difficult as it sometimes looks. Plus,= if you have any background in piano/keyboards, then it's likely going to seem very easy. The setup I currently use is something that took quite a while (a few buyin= g sprees and subsequent EBay auctions) to finally get in place and, for looping, I r= eally love it. Basically I use a Rane SM 82 single rack space line mixer. This thing has e= ight stereo channels and it is very very clean. No added coloring of the sound at all. = There is a master stereo effects loop and each channel has a send control. I run the m= aster effects loop into a stereo pair of EDPs. From there I can either loop or no= t loop any channel on the Rane depending on whether I've turned up the sends. Right no= w I have melody Stick, bass Stick, synth and drum machine running into the Rane= but will occasionally add bass and/or added keyboards or even computer output. The only thing that would improve this would be if Rane allowed me to contr= ol the sends with MIDI CC messages (hint hint). Glenn From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:09 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Live Loops Video Hasn't this (guitar, bass, synth all on separate channels) been the goal of= many of us all along? The clean control of signal processing each "channel" of sound that is crea= ted ... I'd care less about the looks of the instrument (well, up to a poin= t ... I rather like the "anti-aesthetic" of The Stick, rather than the err,= ungainliness of the Warr and their ilk) if I could get each voice to sound= clearly as an individual voice. True contrapuntal polyphony at our fingert= ips ... all those MIDI guitar experiments of giving each string a separate = and controllable channel ... It's one of the reasons I was experimenting with the old Vortexes ... tryin= g to get a separate processing chain for each of the 3 voices coming off th= e Godin ... I confess, though, I failed miserably the first time I tried to= play a Stick ... it intimidated the hell out of me. But I am still fascina= ted by it and its' possibilities. Dennis On Dec 18, 2007 2:46 AM, L.A. Angulo > wrote: Yes an amazing instrument that requires amazing tehnique isnt it,you can have synth sounds and pure guitar through one pickup and keep the bass clean through the other, but the warr guitar has better looks;-) Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > wrote: > > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked > below doing? A > > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it > sounds as > > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and > not on the > > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone > making use > > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnzegYhjNF3Y > > It's even more interesting if you look at the > audience: at the beginning, > there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha > pedal, suddenly the room > fills with the contents of the neighboring > retirement home! > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ______________________________________________________________________= ______________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch= /category.php?category=3Dshopping --_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EEFADSKNAMSG01MG_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well … the looks are purely subjective so I won’= t go there.

 

The technique itself isn’t nearly as difficult as it sometimes looks. Plus, if you have any

background in piano/keyboards, then it’s likely going = to seem very easy.

 

The setup I currently use is something that took quite a whi= le (a few buying sprees

and subsequent EBay auctions) to finally get in place and, f= or looping, I really love it.

 

Basically I use a Rane SM 82 single rack space line mixer. T= his thing has eight stereo

channels and it is very very clean. No added coloring of the sound at all. There is a

master stereo effects loop and each channel has a send contr= ol. I run the master

effects loop into a stereo pair of EDPs. From there I can ei= ther loop or not loop any

channel on the Rane depending on whether I’ve turned u= p the sends. Right now I

have melody Stick, bass Stick, synth and drum machine runnin= g into the Rane but

will occasionally add bass and/or added keyboards or even computer output.

 

The only thing that would improve this would be if Rane allo= wed me to control the

sends with MIDI CC messages (hint hint).

 

Glenn

 

 

From: Dennis Moser [mailto:sinsofmachaut@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:09 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: AW: Live Loops Video

 

Hasn't this (guitar, ba= ss, synth all on separate channels) been the goal of many of us all along?

The clean control of signal processing each "channel" of sound th= at is created ... I'd care less about the looks of the instrument (well, up to= a point ... I rather like the "anti-aesthetic" of The Stick, rather than the err, ungainliness of the Warr and their ilk) if I could get each v= oice to sound clearly as an individual voice. True contrapuntal polyphony at our fingertips ... all those MIDI guitar experiments of giving each string a separate and controllable channel ...

It's one of the reasons I was experimenting with the old Vortexes ... tryin= g to get a separate processing chain for each of the 3 voices coming off the God= in ... I confess, though, I failed miserably the first time I tried to play a Stick ... it intimidated the hell out of me. But I am still fascinated by i= t and its' possibilities.

Dennis

On Dec 18, 2007 2:46 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:=

Yes an amazing instrument that requires amazing
tehnique isnt it,you can have synth sounds and pure
guitar through one pickup and keep the bass clean
through the other, but the warr guitar has better
looks;-)
Luis



--- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill

<rs@moinlabs.de> wrote:

> > But hey - what is the guy in the video linked
> below doing? A
> > while into the tune he kicks in a wha pedal and it
> sounds as
> > he has it only on the upper (soloist) strings and
> not on the
> > bass strings. Wow, first time I have seen someone
> making use
> > of the multiple string/ pickup outputs.
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DnzegYhjNF3Y
>
> It's even more interesting if you look at the
> audience: at the beginning,
> there's no one there - and after he kicks in a wha
> pedal, suddenly the room
> fills with the contents of the neighboring
> retirement home!
>
>

www.myspace.com/luisangulocom



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--_000_54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771987EEFADSKNAMSG01MG_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 16:27:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2068D3BF04; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 619 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:27:27 UTC X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,180,1196668800"; d="scan'208,217";a="244617872" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C84191.6611B7A2" Subject: OT: room mic recommendations Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:16:51 -0800 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20071218141715.8B4543BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: room mic recommendations Thread-Index: AchBge2ChJoMvZFVTLeaowlrKD/CVQADYpCA References: <20071218141715.8B4543BF13@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2007 16:16:51.0944 (UTC) FILETIME=[661F2680:01C84191] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:27:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C84191.6611B7A2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to mic a room (~25' x 50') to supplement the wireless lav mic worn by the main speaker. The purpose is to provide some modest sound reinforcement for folks at the rear of the room, and for recording the various speakers and audience response. Just need a good clean mic signal, doesn't have to be very high quality or very 'sweet' since none of the speakers will have the mic right at their mouth. =20 I'm thinking a dynamic (cardiod?) mic would on a stand out in front of the podium would adequately capture the speakers who are not wearing a wireless mic as they move around the podium. As an alternative , I thought of a PZM confererence table mic like the old RadioShack/Crown mics. But not sure there is sufficient available surface area on the podium.=20 Budget is low. Would a sub-$100 mic be sufficient for this? Such as a Samson? Or one of the less expensive Shure 's Recommendations? -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C84191.6611B7A2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OT: room mic recommendations

I need to mic a room (~25' x 50')  = to supplement the wireless lav mic worn by the main speaker. The purpose = is to provide some modest sound reinforcement for folks at the rear of = the room,  and for recording the various speakers and audience = response.   Just need a good clean mic signal, doesn't have to = be very high quality or very 'sweet' since none of the speakers will = have the mic right at their mouth.   

I'm thinking a dynamic (cardiod?) = mic  would on a stand out in front of the podium would adequately = capture the speakers who are not wearing a wireless mic as they move = around the podium.

As an alternative , I thought of a PZM = confererence table mic like the old RadioShack/Crown mics. But not sure = there is sufficient available surface area on the podium.

Budget is low.  Would a sub-$100 = mic be sufficient for this?    Such as a Samson?  = Or  one of the less expensive Shure 's

Recommendations?
-Qua

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Gives most leeway for movement of speakers. Maybe you can borrow=20= or rent one. Where are you located? The PZMs are okay. You can mount em on a piece of plexiglass in front=20= of everyone too. I've seen that done in a lot of places. I also used=20= to use them for overheads back in the day and I would just use one of=20 those squeeze kind of mic clips and clip that to the XLR. Worked fine=20= for years. It's important that it's not in a place where it will get=20 wacked, though. I guess you could put some gaffing tape on it to keep=20= it from falling out in case it's bumped. They're kind of bright - or=20 that's how I remember them. richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com (coming soon!) On 18-Dec-07, at 8:16 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: > I need to mic a room (~25' x 50')=A0 to supplement the wireless lav = mic=20 > worn by the main speaker. The purpose is to provide some modest sound=20= > reinforcement for folks at the rear of the room,=A0 and for recording=20= > the various speakers and audience response.=A0=A0 Just need a good = clean=20 > mic signal, doesn't have to be very high quality or very 'sweet' since=20= > none of the speakers will have the mic right at their mouth.=A0=A0=A0 > > I'm thinking a dynamic (cardiod?) mic=A0 would on a stand out in front=20= > of the podium would adequately capture the speakers who are not=20 > wearing a wireless mic as they move around the podium. > > As an alternative , I thought of a PZM confererence table mic like the=20= > old RadioShack/Crown mics. But not sure there is sufficient available=20= > surface area on the podium. > > Budget is low.=A0 Would a sub-$100 mic be sufficient for this?=A0=A0=A0 = Such=20 > as a Samson?=A0 Or=A0 one of the less expensive Shure 's > > Recommendations? > -Qua --Apple-Mail-3-656829085 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't know Qua, but it sounds like you MIGHT want some kind of omni mic. Gives most leeway for movement of speakers. Maybe you can borrow or rent one. Where are you located? The PZMs are okay. You can mount em on a piece of plexiglass in front of everyone too. I've seen that done in a lot of places. I also used to use them for overheads back in the day and I would just use one of those squeeze kind of mic clips and clip that to the XLR. Worked fine for years. It's important that it's not in a place where it will get wacked, though. I guess you could put some gaffing tape on it to keep it from falling out in case it's bumped. They're kind of bright - or that's how I remember them. =20 Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com (coming soon!) On 18-Dec-07, at 8:16 AM, Veda, Qua wrote: ArialI need to mic a room (~25' x 50')=A0 to supplement the wireless lav mic worn by the main speaker. The purpose is to provide some modest sound reinforcement for folks at the rear of the room,=A0 and for recording the various speakers and audience response.=A0=A0 Just need a good clean mic signal, doesn't have to be very high quality or very 'sweet' since none of the speakers will have the mic right at their = mouth.=A0=A0=A0 ArialI'm thinking a dynamic (cardiod?) mic=A0 would on a stand out in front of the podium would adequately capture the speakers who are not wearing a wireless mic as they move around the podium. ArialAs an alternative , I thought of a PZM confererence table mic like the old RadioShack/Crown mics. But not sure there is sufficient available surface area on the = podium. ArialBudget is low.=A0 Would a sub-$100 mic be sufficient for this?=A0=A0=A0 Such as a Samson?=A0 Or=A0 = one of the less expensive Shure 's = ArialRecommendations?=20 Arial-Qua=20 = --Apple-Mail-3-656829085-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 20:34:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C4423BF0A; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=rPusrw0n8or808YuCF5Y9M93jXkNXBP5hOojoeGEuXE=; b=QJlybP4EHX9Y4dFYOZ4FAKHGR0srNUBVP3pc9x4DjrmG93w8ipD+6kU0WOQzcGmTHHx55lYJ8PEbXgtD4RyJjAzDJxAUyzsy4xWdwy2C6f5nGG1EUqZJQ5yZYZik/COK+cvGIYTQcmNNwFThvlnHH/U7vStNC7ob4/LrDRVR4w8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=wBQGnYSK0CTq/AmbxUGUM9Xcabglilh0UtHMDn38SWn8IO8Ks5hw51hTFUOfFbrdQ3xnP4tRVLWktmPlg8kEfAh7keWSmGUkt0Zxh5mCe5kIMiTP514t/QI8haHwHdNUkat5GaZeZAhhnzv8amHEc11tDkVgNUgzA5YIKgoe1FA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:34:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:34:40 +0000 (UTC) On 18 dec 2007, at 20.54, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, does anyone have any words of wisdom for me as I begin my > exploration of this instrument? I've checked out a couple of EWI- > centric websites but know there are some fine EWI players on this > list who must have some pearls they can drop my way. Wow, congratulations! Nice to have yet another EWI-ist on this list! The EWI is amazing, given you trim it well. There are two sides to trim; the side where it reads your physical movements while playing and the other side where it implies those gestures into different parameters of the sound. My advice is to work on the settings until they are optimized at both ends. There you have an awesome instrument! When using the built-in synth I prefer to play mine through effects like filter banks, distortion... generally the kind of stuff you warp an electric guitar tone with. I've understood, by reading on dedicated EWI lists, that many users want to play with a "jazz-like" sound, as in copying a trumpet or trombone sound. That's cool too, but not of my interest. . As a MIDI controller it is also good, but you really have to program the sounding device to answer to all parameters sent. I have had best success with the software synths that comes as part of Apple Logic. Kontakt can also be tweaked to answer expressively on your playing. I also have an old (physcical) Oberheim Matrix-1000 that gives quite expressive EWI tone, but it lacks portamento on/off, which is a drag. I always use that with the Logic synths, controlled by CC#5 that is activated by touching the glide bar with your left thumb. I also prefer to have the "sustain pedal" function set up in a classic way, as when using an ordinary CC#64 pedal (as opposed to the EWI default way of sustaining all notes played during a slur, or as legato). I always fix the pitch bend range to 2 semitones and use a little cut- off for the vibrato (biting the mouth-piece. also generating PB). And I prefer a bit more sensitive vibrato setting than in most default sounds. The air sensitivity is another factor you have to work on and find the setting the works well with your own playing style. I went for a pressure that lets me do circular breathing by "ballooning my cheeks" (don't know if that is cheating or if Eric Dolphy did it that way, anyway it works for me). Finally, do not play the EWI in the shower and remember that its MIDI freaks out if playing barefoot (touch sensitive controls getting grounded or something). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 21:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E4193BF00; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QTeKZx6mH5lIoPw7sd3yeWgfN+8t3vO+6m+iWg4YgC4=; b=PCt8A8iHOfc67Q6Y7R1dA9lUly2xirNzEUotw+MSbqFAdMzrl+/3YBxX7SuUmrNl3tvHJZig3YyBaIAynT4RlNg1zWG1U4x/a8a+N0nstegHlRL0/lSlV0ukO5YGfV3v9jbsx69AeHBY3BRT1LoeYr8Ac/n6pKudMpJ4ooJpjAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bvPWkMTUmHQUGa1EwDDKma160JTmLORKyIUsu4H5NfDEki8mNQlP1VHr0VONYuIqAergitppELkUVAVAxqP8ESxEQ6BZ+10IfzjPsvwMByXXDf/gvyqhqls6+jm0AWRbD1AgEvn0CLIoxLAB+47ZZ1tZ0yS9Ttkk8EV3mhWr2ko= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:13:26 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House In-Reply-To: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16897_5072888.1198012407011" References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:13:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16897_5072888.1198012407011 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For what it's worth, while I have only seen Harry play live once in my life he DID keep his shoes on! Harry, congratulations! Now when can we get Chris together for a New England Loopers Jam (Chowder?) Session? Best, Dennis On 12/18/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 18 dec 2007, at 20.54, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > > > Anyway, does anyone have any words of wisdom for me as I begin my > > exploration of this instrument? I've checked out a couple of EWI- > > centric websites but know there are some fine EWI players on this > > list who must have some pearls they can drop my way. Wow, congratulations! Nice to have yet another EWI-ist on this list! > The EWI is amazing, given you trim it well. There are two sides to > trim; the side where it reads your physical movements while playing > and the other side where it implies those gestures into different > parameters of the sound. My advice is to work on the settings until > they are optimized at both ends. There you have an awesome instrument! > > When using the built-in synth I prefer to play mine through effects > like filter banks, distortion... generally the kind of stuff you warp > an electric guitar tone with. I've understood, by reading on > dedicated EWI lists, that many users want to play with a "jazz-like" > sound, as in copying a trumpet or trombone sound. That's cool too, > but not of my interest. . > > As a MIDI controller it is also good, but you really have to program > the sounding device to answer to all parameters sent. I have had best > success with the software synths that comes as part of Apple Logic. > Kontakt can also be tweaked to answer expressively on your playing. I > also have an old (physcical) Oberheim Matrix-1000 that gives quite > expressive EWI tone, but it lacks portamento on/off, which is a drag. > I always use that with the Logic synths, controlled by CC#5 that is > activated by touching the glide bar with your left thumb. I also > prefer to have the "sustain pedal" function set up in a classic way, > as when using an ordinary CC#64 pedal (as opposed to the EWI default > way of sustaining all notes played during a slur, or as legato). I > always fix the pitch bend range to 2 semitones and use a little cut- > off for the vibrato (biting the mouth-piece. also generating PB). And > I prefer a bit more sensitive vibrato setting than in most default > sounds. The air sensitivity is another factor you have to work on and > find the setting the works well with your own playing style. I went > for a pressure that lets me do circular breathing by "ballooning my > cheeks" (don't know if that is cheating or if Eric Dolphy did it that > way, anyway it works for me). Finally, do not play the EWI in the > shower and remember that its MIDI freaks out if playing barefoot > (touch sensitive controls getting grounded or something). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > > > > ------=_Part_16897_5072888.1198012407011 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline For what it's worth, while I have only seen Harry play live once in my life he DID keep his shoes on! Harry, congratulations! Now when can we get Chris together for a New England Loopers Jam (Chowder?) Session?

Best,

Dennis

On 12/18/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
On 18 dec 2007, at 20.54, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote:

> Anyway, does anyone have any words of wisdom for me as I begin my
> exploration of this instrument?  I've checked out a couple of EWI-
> centric websites but know there are some fine EWI players on this
> list who must have some pearls they can drop my way.

 

Wow, congratulations! Nice to have yet another EWI-ist on this list!
The EWI is amazing, given you trim it well. There are two sides to
trim; the side where it reads your physical movements while playing
and the other side where it implies those gestures into different
parameters of the sound. My advice is to work on the settings until
they are optimized at both ends. There you have an awesome instrument!

When using the built-in synth I prefer to play mine through effects
like filter banks, distortion... generally the kind of stuff you warp
an electric guitar tone with. I've understood, by reading on
dedicated EWI lists, that many users want to play with a "jazz-like"
sound, as in copying a trumpet or trombone sound. That's cool too,
but not of my interest. .

As a MIDI controller it is also good, but you really have to program
the sounding device to answer to all parameters sent. I have had best
success with the software synths that comes as part of Apple Logic.
Kontakt can also be tweaked to answer expressively on your playing. I
also have an old (physcical) Oberheim Matrix-1000 that gives quite
expressive EWI tone, but it lacks portamento on/off, which is a drag.
I always use that with the Logic synths, controlled by CC#5 that is
activated by touching the glide bar with your left thumb. I also
prefer to have the "sustain pedal" function set up in a classic way,
as when using an ordinary CC#64 pedal (as opposed to the EWI default
way of sustaining all notes played during a slur, or as legato). I
always fix the pitch bend range to 2 semitones and use a little cut-
off for the vibrato (biting the mouth-piece. also generating PB). And
I prefer a bit more sensitive vibrato setting than in most default
sounds. The air sensitivity is another factor you have to work on and
find the setting the works well with your own playing style. I went
for a pressure that lets me do circular breathing by "ballooning my
cheeks" (don't know if that is cheating or if Eric Dolphy did it that
way, anyway it works for me). Finally, do not play the EWI in the
shower and remember that its MIDI freaks out if playing barefoot
(touch sensitive controls getting grounded or something).

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen






------=_Part_16897_5072888.1198012407011-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 21:24:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 106F23BF18; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:24:38 EST Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1198013077" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:24:59 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1198013077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I knew I could count on you guys (thanks Per and Dennis). Per, I printed out your suggestions and will work on the tweaks as you suggested. I will keep you apprised of my progress and hope to have some mp3's to post in the not too distant future. Dennis, if you can get something going in the Boston area Chris and I would love to participate! Let me know. And of course the basement in Woodmere is always available ..... Regards, Harry Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------------------------1198013077 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1198013077-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 18 21:47:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BC7C3BF1A; Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> Subject: MIDI wind controllers Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:48:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77316 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Interested in the EWI thread. I play a Yamaha WX5 and also don't want to emulate "real" instruments - I play saxophones and flute and although the VL70M is good, it feels slightly distasteful using some of those sounds (although I like the trumpet!). I have used the Korg MS2000 which works great with the CC breath controller patched up to various parameters. I like the idea of the EWI4000 as it is one unit, no need to carry round extra modules (if the sounds are any good). Also not sure about the ease of the touch sensitive controls re glitching? The WX5 needs lots of practice to keep the glitches away and I guess I wonder (having never played an EWI) how much harder it is without actual mechanical keys? Any comments? Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:34 PM Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House > On 18 dec 2007, at 20.54, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > >> Anyway, does anyone have any words of wisdom for me as I begin my >> exploration of this instrument? I've checked out a couple of EWI- >> centric websites but know there are some fine EWI players on this list >> who must have some pearls they can drop my way. > > > Wow, congratulations! Nice to have yet another EWI-ist on this list! The > EWI is amazing, given you trim it well. There are two sides to trim; the > side where it reads your physical movements while playing and the other > side where it implies those gestures into different parameters of the > sound. My advice is to work on the settings until they are optimized at > both ends. There you have an awesome instrument! > > When using the built-in synth I prefer to play mine through effects like > filter banks, distortion... generally the kind of stuff you warp an > electric guitar tone with. I've understood, by reading on dedicated EWI > lists, that many users want to play with a "jazz-like" sound, as in > copying a trumpet or trombone sound. That's cool too, but not of my > interest. . > > As a MIDI controller it is also good, but you really have to program the > sounding device to answer to all parameters sent. I have had best success > with the software synths that comes as part of Apple Logic. Kontakt can > also be tweaked to answer expressively on your playing. I also have an > old (physcical) Oberheim Matrix-1000 that gives quite expressive EWI > tone, but it lacks portamento on/off, which is a drag. I always use that > with the Logic synths, controlled by CC#5 that is activated by touching > the glide bar with your left thumb. I also prefer to have the "sustain > pedal" function set up in a classic way, as when using an ordinary CC#64 > pedal (as opposed to the EWI default way of sustaining all notes played > during a slur, or as legato). I always fix the pitch bend range to 2 > semitones and use a little cut- off for the vibrato (biting the > mouth-piece. also generating PB). And I prefer a bit more sensitive > vibrato setting than in most default sounds. The air sensitivity is > another factor you have to work on and find the setting the works well > with your own playing style. I went for a pressure that lets me do > circular breathing by "ballooning my cheeks" (don't know if that is > cheating or if Eric Dolphy did it that way, anyway it works for me). > Finally, do not play the EWI in the shower and remember that its MIDI > freaks out if playing barefoot (touch sensitive controls getting grounded > or something). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 00:04:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EE063BF1C; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:04:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:05:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18+lDpxhJCUtxroRYYC2Ed4YxhOaIShUT8p6S4 K/MwbJW/BJ0Ze4DO0McGFhCRLq/YkO9pjTsdfIMqwBSiB7nbSZ kL3cJLz6AC1mq94ogQrbA3BTHZtnFks Resent-Message-ID: <6n9QtC.A.DEE.9_FaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:04:14 +0000 (UTC) the ewi works so well because you only have to touch the little thingie-screw that represents a key. this way your sensory system signals "touch" when you touch it. with the yamaha products you depress a fake key to touch the sensor. i believe this is more difficult, because you are "far away from the action", so to speak. i like the fake reed, though. the spit problem of the ewi (easily handled with a sweat band, see brecker) doesn't occur. tilmann > The WX5 needs lots of practice to keep the glitches away and I guess I > wonder (having never played an EWI) how much harder it is without actual > mechanical keys? > > Any comments? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 00:07:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DA953BF1D; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:07:35 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:07:41 +0000 (UTC) At 9:48 PM +0000 12/18/07, Ian Popperwell wrote: >Hi, > >Interested in the EWI thread. I play a Yamaha WX5 and also don't >want to emulate "real" instruments - I play saxophones and flute and >although the VL70M is good, it feels slightly distasteful using some >of those sounds (although I like the trumpet!). I have used the Korg >MS2000 which works great with the CC breath controller patched up to >various parameters. > >I like the idea of the EWI4000 as it is one unit, no need to carry >round extra modules (if the sounds are any good). Also not sure >about the ease of the touch sensitive controls re glitching? The WX5 >needs lots of practice to keep the glitches away and I guess I >wonder (having never played an EWI) how much harder it is without >actual mechanical keys? > >Any comments? Well, I can't comment on the EWI, but I use the WX11 with the VL70-m. I'd say first, regarding the VL70's sounds, run (literally, do not walk... run) out and get the Turbo VL Replacement ROM from Patchman Music ( http://www.patchmanmusic.com/turbovl.html ). If you haven't heard of it, this replaces the crappy ROM sounds from the Yamaha's preset memory with 256 high-quality patches. There are a couple of turkeys in there (there always are in any commercial patch bank) but I rarely have to do any programming on the VL anymore. More often than not, I can usually pick something out of the batch that Matt's put together. Even if I don't find the exact thing I'm looking for, it provides a great starting point -- for non-horn or non-conventional-instrument patches too. I haven't actually tried out the WX5 with the VL, but my older WX11 gives me no glitches at all (considering proper technique -- I can purposely overblow or underblow and octave-hop, if that's what you mean). I have used the original WX7 with it, and I don't like that nearly as well as the WX11. The WX7 seems to prefer sending its expression across CC7 (Volume) rather than CC2 (Breath Control). It seems to take away some of the expressiveness of the patches. Even if you get an EWI, you should keep that in mind. Anyway, back to the WX5: I never bothered to pick one of those up because I heard a lot of people complaining about them. I heard it said that the 5 was actually a step back, and inferior to both the 7 & 11 in playability. That may be your issue right there. So, you may find the EWI an improvement over the WX5, but if you're going to hang on to the VL70-m (and I'm biased but think you should; I'd say I haven't found a better physical modelling horn synth yet, even in software) see if you can find a second-hand WX11 to try with it. And get Matt's Turbo VL ROM. You'll like the VL70-m a lot better, at least. ;) --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 01:29:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B173BF1F; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:29:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47687479.5050201@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:31:37 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "spiritual successor" to the (no-longer available) Koan generative music engine References: <23F0E6F9-2A87-44DB-A95B-7B8315391E17@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <23F0E6F9-2A87-44DB-A95B-7B8315391E17@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:29:52 +0000 (UTC) I downloaded the demo last night. So far, everything I build sounds like bad Webern on quaaludes, but it's obviously a powerful system. Per Boysen wrote: > New interesting software: > http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/12/17/noatikl-new-generative-music-engine-so-you-can-rock-out-like-eno/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 02:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDD243BF15; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Xztnn7560AeCq6kPLMiSLSX4boEUc6kThdYfiKO9k+4=; b=w+wx0Lhd+PFoxPZvtGtw+GEzEvlfcJPhop/hvHrDCl+5F8foFCteOsX3ULQyIa629Tdm5CniVK4KjchYAQfewglsX+iZ12MkZYD4KZGYicMTYhZJDk7zb69DCOJe25Xx2qYZzffO5alC+7F8s2B04aZ+WsKAsGng9ZH6uD0Ba4U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Lb8ggAnSBhDDiyzzmX1/pzNS5lsfyXp4W4E+VPSjMCXyizhwAq89zseIwvgwxnPE6TVSqMY/XdF7HDwChfCM5smz15e5Mo3D0d0KVbVNvlFr+eQiU5qP0vx2VKl3oISrAdk0/CYkh12N9rzNPAOpiLLT5ZrBqrVQpU2pPXH7XjA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:45:08 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes In-Reply-To: <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <649C5B94-F718-4DD9-8365-D4F03BD77EFD@gmail.com> <0A023595-64C4-492F-B08D-B0F827E0BFB9@zoekeating.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:45:09 +0000 (UTC) ... anyway, i find important the feet dancing for interacting with loopage, at least live, althoug is certain that sequencing this triggering may leave room for the musician to concentrate in other tasks... just practising regularly, as we do (should do :) with our other instruments. don't think lafosse's work could have been born without hours of tip-tap dancing... ;-) ra. 2007/12/15, info at zoekeating : > hmmm...it should work everywhere since there are no right issues. did > the link wrap at all? sorry about that! > > i think when i saw you in italy per, that was the very first time i'd > used ableton onstage (or even a computer for that matter!). it was so > recent that i hadn't had time to re-map my songs from foot control. > but that is why i bought ableton. i tend to do things > gradually...change one or two things for each performance. so first i > incorporated the computer, using it as an expensive mixer. then i got > used to that and starting mapping the midi of some of my songs > through ableton. i did the transition gradually song by song, so > that if something went really wrong onstage, i could still do things > the old way. > > i think one of the pieces i performed at loopfest 2006 was performed > with midi sequencing through ableton (i remember chatting in the > hallway with bill walker about how i did it). but the last few months > is the first time i've almost completely taken the foot controller > out of the picture for new pieces... i only use it to let the > computer know when to start the next musical section, or if things go > wrong (half way through the first piece in that video, something did > go wrong. i think midipipe, the weakest link in my chain, did not > translate a midi command going from ableton to one of the repeaters, > so i took over and went into manual mode with my feet). i like this > new mode of working because i don't have to spend so much time > practicing what button to press when, now i can just play the goddamn > cello (although have to keep tabs on the status of things out of the > corner of my eye). > > it's interesting that now, i have to make sure that i arrange the > pieces to create "believability". i could easily set ableton to > record everything i'm doing and then fire those parts back, with any > other part, at any time. but i've noticed that with my music, it is > important for the audience to be able to follow what part i'm > recording when. their experience is different if they are confused or > if they think parts are pre-recorded. and with midi sequenced > looping, it is a bit too easy to create an "unbelievable" > arrangement. so i build in a few into the piece pauses for them to > hear each phrase repeat after i've recorded it. i expect that as > audiences get more accustomed to non-linear looping, their perception > will change. i've noticed a huge difference in the audience's > knowledge of "how stuff works" just from early 2006 to today. > > interesting musical times these are! augustus loop i like, but i find > the interface hard to monitor. i've got my hopes pinned on the > repeater software, but i'm already wondering how i'll monitor the > status of that while i've got ableton going on. with ableton + > hardware, i can quickly see the status of both. but there is only so > much screen real-estate. we'll see how it pans out. > > what is EWI?? > > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 15 dec 2007, at 20.38, info at zoekeating wrote: > > > >> i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi > >> triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. er...i > >> think you might be the only people who understand that... > > > > He, he... didn't I suggest that method to you last year? ;-) > > I used it a lot on Mac with Augustus Loop inside Ableton Live. But > > that was in pre Mobius time - another universe. > > > >> i'm looking forward to the software version of the electrix > >> repeater, so i can ditch hardware altogether and just travel with > >> a cello and computer! ahh...dream on girl. > > > > Yes. I'm so excited about that too. I don't think any looper can > > get better than Mobius, but on a Mac I'm able to get way better > > sound for EWI playing. > > > > I'd love to see that iTunes thing you mentioned, but it doesn't > > load. Maybe some territorial music and market rights issue because > > I'm in Europe? ;-( > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen > > > > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 03:37:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A74813BF1B; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:37:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47689246.7090109@adelphia.net> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:38:46 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:37:01 +0000 (UTC) HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > Hello All: > > I've been trying to use a WX 5 to play VST's in live performance and > it's been more difficult than it should be to control. So, the recent > talk about the EWI got me to looking into it and I went to Sam Ash and > took the plunge the other day. I've been watching Michael Brecker EWI > videos on You Tube for the past few days in total amazement. What a > great player and a great loss. Anyway, does anyone have any words of > wisdom for me as I begin my exploration of this instrument? I've > checked out a couple of EWI-centric websites but know there are some > fine EWI players on this list who must have some pearls they can drop my > way. Looking forward to hearing from you and to sharing my musical > progress shortly. > > Harry Harry: Per made some good points, and I would just add that the first step in building wind-centric patches is to control volume with breath controller (CC#2). How you do that depends a bit on the particular synth, but usually there's some way to use CC2 as a modulation source for the amplifier envelopes. And you'll probably need to adjust the attack and decay times on the envelopes to avoid clicks. If the synth has a legato mode, enable it. I usually enable portamento, but use short portamento times. Other points... play around with the Key Delay parameter. It controls a buffer than saves key presses for a very short time before triggering a note, making the instrument a little forgiving if you don't get all the keys down at exactly the same time. If your external module is making noises like a raccoon trying to speak Mandarin, you might try turning off some of the CC data. The EWI can emit any combination of Breath Controller, Aftertouch, Volume and Expression, and some modules can't ingest that much data at once. Turning off what you don't need sometimes helps. I'd also suggest a Nord Micromodular or G2 Engine as a good hardware synth for the EWI. If you're after emulation, they're not great, but they're really flexible, react well to breath control and have a very smooth legato. They're very powerful, too, and you can do some nice things if you're willing to do some programming. (I should note that the G2 Engine has no front panel controls at all. Fortunately the EWI's patch changes sent to the internal synth are also sent via MIDI out, so you can do patch changes that way.) Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 07:03:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97E5F3BF26; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0t6wj7bxp8qycmzsXFUsboLEBPrX9bhQ8Nnwmk6iUdEUNguOAXnTZClMH7MRjwqiknZikR6wlOOfpHMWAzBb7cyKujkm7oQCsSLolQ2qJJPs7jKNzCZ4Z4inKUzuMYvhy7ET4WTbjRJAvA+et0ui76bgTa6gNtikpnrf44ck7Eg=; X-YMail-OSG: 8d2Ed4wVM1ldeK1BNFclEjZmT3vemk9dapDZtkV9xlPHOsrWSzCfT_tUrrW9y.TCj0ZozpQnjOQBltP4JlWLm0lQWEyP2WyH.qxCL8WLE50KSptMk7M- Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:02:56 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Live Loops Video - Stick vs. Warr To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <200712180902.lBI92Gr8023474@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <344089.21537.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77322 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Hillarious but brilliant player! cheers Luis --- rs@moinlabs.de wrote: > > through the other, but the warr guitar has better > > looks;-) > > And, according to an assessment by Warr > guitarist/former Stickist/looper Brian Kenney > Fresno, "it doesn't make you look gay". > (check out the video here: > http://www.bonghitrecords.com/bonghit/Live.htm) > > (For a gig review by an accomplished expert, go to > http://www.bonghitrecords.com/bonghit/press.htm#ldc). > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 07:36:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA1793BF25; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:36:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=3UHIeEJTbVuYAsAuWbJ50zByVxoMponWpyv9kMZwv10=; b=Atxq4As1kTvqB/7OENZWZXHuQXRx07jRCdt5o52+YESoSy4SHhkr7L6MDRLdk7yDtq5dtvA586Ud3oAQt54gvZSQbcv0MjZ8xJPP1xxs/tw6pLlIJRmXFpwPC7ohuV0angtAQfFt+mB1HsRzNWQ3fz9dobyGBeNO1pfp1iXaOZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=D3yf6dr+8GqK3OJbl0R8UphAblJUVMOOCCyZS6rGkCeRz5eU17r9Dl31Nj9lrxDuZRQPFCKEa2jCVebTorFLZX+pVuUlgD/AFKYGLpGw9UMyDbztv2Q4iNpYFC9PwPJYeOV6X9uvY0uDaWtQZ6Ddey48RTrbynnTEINo67cx+B0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <47689246.7090109@adelphia.net> References: <47689246.7090109@adelphia.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:36:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:36:48 +0000 (UTC) On 19 dec 2007, at 04.38, Brian Good wrote: > Per made some good points, and I would just add that the first step > in building wind-centric patches is to control volume with breath > controller (CC#2). How you do that depends a bit on the particular > synth, but usually there's some way to use CC2 as a modulation > source for the amplifier envelopes. And you'll probably need to > adjust the attack and decay times on the envelopes to avoid clicks. > If the synth has a legato mode, enable it. I usually enable > portamento, but use short portamento times. Just a short note: If your sound module supports "Expression" it you might try that as well, set it up to follow CC2 (or CC11 "MIDI Expression" if you want to use that instaed. CC11 is kind of the quick key to play most NI Kontakt patches from an EWI). The sampler of Logic, EXS-24, has a parameter called "Relative Voume" that I found particularly playable with EWI. For software synths that offer a general "MIDI CC distribution matrix" for quick control of sound design parameters I tend to start out by simply set all channels to MIDI CC2 (or CC11 if in Kontakt2). For Glide, if the module supports that, I use CC5 (which is standard anyway and what the EWI defaults to). On 18 dec 2007, at 22.48, Ian Popperwell wrote: > I guess I wonder (having never played an EWI) how much harder it is > without actual mechanical keys? He, he... how about : it's harder because it's easier - but it's also easier because it's not so hard - when you get used to the touch sensitive pads and rails. Just don't play it without shoes ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) www.ilike.com/artist/Per+Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 08:12:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD09E3BF24; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=N9TTV07GloeASynBAPJ8JoxW7/jdeO60+hp21qERHRcxJaGBam9bY8AK9C40EjRV; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <017001c84216$c07fe4e0$6401a8c0@ECCO> From: "JC" To: Subject: Re: Stockhausen Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:11:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_016A_01C841D3.AC1102C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2739.300 X-ELNK-Trace: 250e53821a8c36f54d2b10475b571120cf3d437b84c02dbc2cedbbf93e33bebd591f942ae0d43823350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 69.181.225.103 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:12:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_016A_01C841D3.AC1102C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My left field contribution to the Stockhausen discussion: "That which in my music is not Stockhausen -- the most essential part -- = is timeless, universal.=20 "Stockhausen" is only a label, a name. 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The purpose is to provide some modest sound > reinforcement for folks at the rear of the room, and for recording > the various speakers and audience response. Just need a good clean > mic signal, doesn't have to be very high quality or very 'sweet' since > none of the speakers will have the mic right at their mouth. > I'm thinking a dynamic (cardiod?) mic would on a stand out in front > of the podium would adequately capture the speakers who are not > wearing a wireless mic as they move around the podium. > As an alternative , I thought of a PZM confererence table mic like the > old RadioShack/Crown mics. But not sure there is sufficient available > surface area on the podium. > Budget is low. Would a sub-$100 mic be sufficient for this? Such > as a Samson? Or one of the less expensive Shure 's > Recommendations? A mic having an omni pattern will be OK for picking up lots of sound... even the PA speakers! Potential for feedback. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 21:56:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92D353BEAF; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c8428a$1044e610$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:56:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Thanks, My problem isn't with the WX5, I really like it, just commenting that it's a different feel playing with "switches" rather than a real sax. I used to have an old WX7 and really prefer the WX5's octave keys. I did know about Matt's Turbo ROM, but I guess am most interested in creating or working with analogue sounds, hence the EWI questions. Thanks. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mech" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:07 AM Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers > At 9:48 PM +0000 12/18/07, Ian Popperwell wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Interested in the EWI thread. I play a Yamaha WX5 and also don't want to >>emulate "real" instruments - I play saxophones and flute and although the >>VL70M is good, it feels slightly distasteful using some of those sounds >>(although I like the trumpet!). I have used the Korg MS2000 which works >>great with the CC breath controller patched up to various parameters. >> >>I like the idea of the EWI4000 as it is one unit, no need to carry round >>extra modules (if the sounds are any good). Also not sure about the ease >>of the touch sensitive controls re glitching? The WX5 needs lots of >>practice to keep the glitches away and I guess I wonder (having never >>played an EWI) how much harder it is without actual mechanical keys? >> >>Any comments? > > Well, I can't comment on the EWI, but I use the WX11 with the VL70-m. I'd > say first, regarding the VL70's sounds, run (literally, do not walk... > run) out and get the Turbo VL Replacement ROM from Patchman Music ( > http://www.patchmanmusic.com/turbovl.html ). If you haven't heard of it, > this replaces the crappy ROM sounds from the Yamaha's preset memory with > 256 high-quality patches. There are a couple of turkeys in there (there > always are in any commercial patch bank) but I rarely have to do any > programming on the VL anymore. More often than not, I can usually pick > something out of the batch that Matt's put together. Even if I don't find > the exact thing I'm looking for, it provides a great starting point -- for > non-horn or non-conventional-instrument patches too. > > I haven't actually tried out the WX5 with the VL, but my older WX11 gives > me no glitches at all (considering proper technique -- I can purposely > overblow or underblow and octave-hop, if that's what you mean). I have > used the original WX7 with it, and I don't like that nearly as well as the > WX11. The WX7 seems to prefer sending its expression across CC7 (Volume) > rather than CC2 (Breath Control). It seems to take away some of the > expressiveness of the patches. Even if you get an EWI, you should keep > that in mind. > > Anyway, back to the WX5: I never bothered to pick one of those up because > I heard a lot of people complaining about them. I heard it said that the > 5 was actually a step back, and inferior to both the 7 & 11 in > playability. That may be your issue right there. > > So, you may find the EWI an improvement over the WX5, but if you're going > to hang on to the VL70-m (and I'm biased but think you should; I'd say I > haven't found a better physical modelling horn synth yet, even in > software) see if you can find a second-hand WX11 to try with it. And get > Matt's Turbo VL ROM. You'll like the VL70-m a lot better, at least. ;) > > --m. > -- > _____ > "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." > ( x ) <--- you are here. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 22:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0778F3BECD; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:01:12 +0000 (UTC) OK, but as a sax player, the Yamaha MIDI wind controllers are more like what we're used to, so, in most ways more "natural" I'll have to find an EWI to give it a go. What are the sounds like on the EWI4000? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 12:05 AM Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers > the ewi works so well because you only have to touch the little > thingie-screw > that represents a key. this way your sensory system signals "touch" when > you touch it. > > with the yamaha products you depress a fake key to touch the sensor. > i believe this is more difficult, because you are "far away from the > action", so to speak. > i like the fake reed, though. the spit problem of the ewi (easily handled > with a sweat band, see brecker) doesn't occur. > > tilmann > > >> The WX5 needs lots of practice to keep the glitches away and I guess I >> wonder (having never played an EWI) how much harder it is without actual >> mechanical keys? >> >> Any comments? > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 22:23:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 120633BEC2; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,186,1196658000"; d="scan'208";a="175793996" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ah4FAD8paUdKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBV4EYjBqbKQ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:23:53 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers In-reply-to: <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_io4wudoJg0ksPdLDENPQ/A)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:23:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_io4wudoJg0ksPdLDENPQ/A) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Yeah, interesting thread. I use an old WX7. I like the fact that it has moving keys on it. As someone who played sax before, that feels more familiar. I tried an older EWI with the touch switches and it felt REALLY WEIRD to me. But maybe you can get used to it. People who use the EWI say that once you get used to the weird keys, it's possible to play faster than on a controller (or a real horn!) with moving keys. Regarding the CC7 (volume) and CC2 (breath) messages: in MIDI there is no difference between these other than the ID number of the controller. But IIRC (don't have the WX7 handy), you can either have it send just CC2 or BOTH CC2 and CC7 (depending on a DIP switch setting). When it's sending two messages every time, it might be slower. But CC2 by itself is going to be the same speed as CC7 by itself. I saw an EWI4000 at NAMM last January and got to hold it, but wasn't allowed to blow on it. It looked pretty cool. It is nice having the synth built in and the sound editor on the computer. Kind of like a mini-Nord Modular. For creating synth patches, I highly recommend setting the patch up so that the breath pressure increases the cutoff of the filter and the amplitude of the sound at the same time. This makes a HUGE difference in giving it a more organic sound and adding to the expressiveness. All the pseudo-horn sounds I do with the WX7 and Continuum are just analog-style waves with a breath-sensitive filter and amplitude like that. Some of them also have more static filters in line afterwards to try to sound like the body of a sax or brass mutes. Most of this stuff should be possible with the EWI. I dunno if the patches that come with it are any good. That is always a crap shoot! Anyway, here are some of my suggestions for programming wind sounds: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/windsounds.html A lot of the Continuum examples I did use very similar patches, since the Continuum acts like a polyphonic wind controller. Finger pressure is used instead of breath pressure. I've been getting nice results by using the Continuum to drive old analog synths with very similar patch setups. Like in the ContinuMoog examples here: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html Try it, it's fun! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_io4wudoJg0ksPdLDENPQ/A) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
Yeah, interesting thread. I use an old WX7. I like the fact that it has moving keys on it. As someone who played sax before, that feels more familiar. I tried an older EWI with the touch switches and it felt REALLY WEIRD to me. But maybe you can get used to it. People who use the EWI say that once you get used to the weird keys, it's possible to play faster than on a controller (or a real horn!) with moving keys.
 
Regarding the CC7 (volume) and CC2 (breath) messages: in MIDI there is no difference between these other than the ID number of the controller. But IIRC (don't have the WX7 handy), you can either have it send just CC2 or BOTH CC2 and CC7 (depending on a DIP switch setting). When it's sending two messages every time, it might be slower. But CC2 by itself is going to be the same speed as CC7 by itself.
 
I saw an EWI4000 at NAMM last January and got to hold it, but wasn't allowed to blow on it. It looked pretty cool. It is nice having the synth built in and the sound editor on the computer. Kind of like a mini-Nord Modular.
 
For creating synth patches, I highly recommend setting the patch up so that the breath pressure increases the cutoff of the filter and the amplitude of the sound at the same time. This makes a HUGE difference in giving it a more organic sound and adding to the expressiveness. All the pseudo-horn sounds I do with the WX7 and Continuum are just analog-style waves with a breath-sensitive filter and amplitude like that. Some of them also have more static filters in line afterwards to try to sound like the body of a sax or brass mutes. Most of this stuff should be possible with the EWI. I dunno if the patches that come with it are any good. That is always a crap shoot!
 
Anyway, here are some of my suggestions for programming wind sounds:
 
 
A lot of the Continuum examples I did use very similar patches, since the Continuum acts like a polyphonic wind controller. Finger pressure is used instead of breath pressure. I've been getting nice results by using the Continuum to drive old analog synths with very similar patch setups. Like in the ContinuMoog examples here:
 
 
Try it, it's fun!
 
Mark Smart
--Boundary_(ID_io4wudoJg0ksPdLDENPQ/A)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 22:33:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A9033BEAF; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:33:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004e01c8428f$554f0e20$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:34:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8428F.5540B640" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:33:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8428F.5540B640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark, interesting email. I tend to programme similarly - CC2 to = amplitude & filter cutoff. I'll check out the links. Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:23 PM Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Yeah, interesting thread. I use an old WX7. I like the fact that it = has moving keys on it. As someone who played sax before, that feels more = familiar. I tried an older EWI with the touch switches and it felt = REALLY WEIRD to me. But maybe you can get used to it. People who use the = EWI say that once you get used to the weird keys, it's possible to play = faster than on a controller (or a real horn!) with moving keys. Regarding the CC7 (volume) and CC2 (breath) messages: in MIDI there is = no difference between these other than the ID number of the controller. = But IIRC (don't have the WX7 handy), you can either have it send just = CC2 or BOTH CC2 and CC7 (depending on a DIP switch setting). When it's = sending two messages every time, it might be slower. But CC2 by itself = is going to be the same speed as CC7 by itself. I saw an EWI4000 at NAMM last January and got to hold it, but wasn't = allowed to blow on it. It looked pretty cool. It is nice having the = synth built in and the sound editor on the computer. Kind of like a = mini-Nord Modular. For creating synth patches, I highly recommend setting the patch up so = that the breath pressure increases the cutoff of the filter and the = amplitude of the sound at the same time. This makes a HUGE difference in = giving it a more organic sound and adding to the expressiveness. All the = pseudo-horn sounds I do with the WX7 and Continuum are just analog-style = waves with a breath-sensitive filter and amplitude like that. Some of = them also have more static filters in line afterwards to try to sound = like the body of a sax or brass mutes. Most of this stuff should be = possible with the EWI. I dunno if the patches that come with it are any = good. That is always a crap shoot! Anyway, here are some of my suggestions for programming wind sounds: http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/windsounds.html A lot of the Continuum examples I did use very similar patches, since = the Continuum acts like a polyphonic wind controller. Finger pressure is = used instead of breath pressure. I've been getting nice results by using = the Continuum to drive old analog synths with very similar patch setups. = Like in the ContinuMoog examples here: http://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html Try it, it's fun! Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8428F.5540B640 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mark, interesting email. I tend to programme = similarly -=20 CC2 to amplitude & filter cutoff. I'll check out the = links.
 
Ian.
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 mwsmart@insightbb.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, = 2007 10:23=20 PM
Subject: Re: MIDI wind = controllers

Yeah, interesting thread. I use an old WX7. I like the fact that = it has=20 moving keys on it. As someone who played sax before, that feels more = familiar.=20 I tried an older EWI with the touch switches and it felt REALLY WEIRD = to me.=20 But maybe you can get used to it. People who use the EWI say that once = you get=20 used to the weird keys, it's possible to play faster than on a = controller (or=20 a real horn!) with moving keys.
 
Regarding the CC7 (volume) and CC2 (breath) messages: in = MIDI there=20 is no difference between these other than the ID number of the = controller. But=20 IIRC (don't have the WX7 handy), you can either have it send just CC2=20 or BOTH CC2 and CC7 (depending on a DIP switch setting). When = it's=20 sending two messages every time, it might be slower. But CC2 by itself = is=20 going to be the same speed as CC7 by itself.
 
I saw an EWI4000 at NAMM last January and got to hold it, = but wasn't=20 allowed to blow on it. It looked pretty cool. It is nice having the = synth=20 built in and the sound editor on the computer. Kind of like a = mini-Nord=20 Modular.
 
For creating synth patches, I highly recommend setting the patch = up so=20 that the breath pressure increases the cutoff of the filter and the = amplitude=20 of the sound at the same time. This makes a HUGE difference in giving = it a=20 more organic sound and adding to the expressiveness. All the = pseudo-horn=20 sounds I do with the WX7 and Continuum are just analog-style waves = with a=20 breath-sensitive filter and amplitude like that. Some of them also = have more=20 static filters in line afterwards to try to sound like the body of a = sax or=20 brass mutes. Most of this stuff should be possible with the EWI. I = dunno if=20 the patches that come with it are any good. That is always a crap = shoot!
 
Anyway, here are some of my suggestions for programming wind=20 sounds:
 
= http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/windsounds.html
=
 
A lot of the Continuum examples I did use very similar patches, = since the=20 Continuum acts like a polyphonic wind controller. Finger pressure is = used=20 instead of breath pressure. I've been getting nice results by using = the=20 Continuum to drive old analog synths with very similar patch setups. = Like in=20 the ContinuMoog examples here:
 
ht= tp://www.marksmart.net/instruments/continuum/continuum.html
 
Try it, it's fun!
 
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C8428F.5540B640-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 22:45:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DDA53BEC5; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 989 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:13 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3k1oP5fFlY8UyiRIIposPK4xr9+un8ksOFJ5P30LvfI=; b=TTI7R0BK3FU+6KNDSOu5eK6xekHKq0NZjRF7G5cDPLZXwHPSejbdj1GNhCspHum2ze/jUnxXLgdDX7oUmddvJSbgueRTXkLDfM6rFaxeESEsNL0G8FcYnQaETOfxVpwKsQt/q0pbdowMYi/V5hp0E9jzfprT5JCB0a0upSPXouM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=G88LBAREqyQCipaXcQuSdrpYoYhLauLjHYsXzJ4wgBjWhlaQsDUd8EWXkTX6aP9HdfLkxZOX0Jbl0JyhXOY5TEdGL/psz01idlXfNT1n9WAsED+pK21I1wC+6gbpFneclPuKWhFoKB5ZkB8R1ovlo+md9PyHxu31TDBfbY896OE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712191428v49173facn94f709db0b5c9aec@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:28:42 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers In-Reply-To: <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25699_14548810.1198103322725" References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:45:14 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25699_14548810.1198103322725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 19, 2007 11:01 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > OK, but as a sax player, the Yamaha MIDI wind controllers are more like > what > we're used to, so, in most ways more "natural" I'll have to find an EWI to > give it a go. With the latest EWI 4000s software update we got a "sax fingering mode". I immediately changed my EWI to that and enjoyed the finger setting close to playing a sax. > What are the sounds like on the EWI4000?' Cheesy. I bought Matts latest sound bank (PatchMan) and it made it a little better sounding and a lot LOUDER sounding. Luckily I also upgraded my sound card to a RME FireFace400 that gives you a good chance to adjust input levels. But those sounds sometimes distorts the output stage in the EWI, which you can hear if you play with head phones (like Tillman use to do in public areas... ;-) However, I think Matts sound bank is worth the money anyway. If you play it through some extra EQ and reverb it sounds pretty nice. Especially for single line playing, if you plan to layer clusters you should go directly for a MIDI module, a synth or sampler. I tried to program the EWI's built-in synths and you can actually do a lot of fun stuff. I saw one guy on YouTube that had crated a sound in between a Digeridoo and a techno 303 bassline synth. He had a lot of self oscillating resonance and controlled it all by pitch bend, biting and breath (assigned to filter cut-off) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_25699_14548810.1198103322725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Dec 19, 2007 11:01 PM, Ian Popperwell <popperwell@iname.com> wrote:
OK, but as a sax player, the Yamaha MIDI wind controllers are more like what
we're used to, so, in most ways more "natural" I'll have to find an EWI to
give it a go.

With the latest EWI 4000s software update we got a "sax fingering mode". I immediately changed my EWI to that and enjoyed the finger setting close to playing a sax. 

 
What are the sounds like on the EWI4000?'

Cheesy. I bought Matts latest sound bank (PatchMan) and it made it a little better sounding and a lot LOUDER sounding. Luckily I also upgraded my sound card to a RME FireFace400 that gives you a good chance to adjust input levels. But those sounds sometimes distorts the output stage in the EWI, which you can hear if you play with head phones (like Tillman use to do in public areas... ;-) However, I think Matts sound bank is worth the money anyway. If you play it through some extra EQ and reverb it sounds pretty nice. Especially for single line playing, if you plan to layer clusters you should go directly for a MIDI module, a synth or sampler. I tried to program the EWI's built-in synths and you can actually do a lot of fun stuff. I saw one guy on YouTube that had crated a sound in between a Digeridoo and a techno 303 bassline synth. He had a lot of self oscillating resonance and controlled it all by pitch bend, biting and breath (assigned to filter cut-off)
 
--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 19 23:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 275263BED0; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1D3F0B84-6419-4498-A8D6-04E553D72B42@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers delight From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: looping / stand-up songwriting Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:25:28 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:25:34 +0000 (UTC) hi folks, today, on thursday 20.12, 22:30h i will play a solo looping and stand-up songwriting show at Eschschloraque, Berlin, Rosenthaler Strasse 39, Mitte, under the alias AIR CUSHION FINISH using only a Lexicon jamman, a Martin backpacker guitar tuned down to bass range, vocals and some household items to bang on. 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Saludos and with love from New Weird Berlin ,-) --- jayrope http://kliklak.net http://rope.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com == wuh oh! == http://txp.kliklak.net/kliklak/kliklakofonie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 00:00:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44BB3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1355 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:00:16 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AC5D70A-51A0-4C83-A481-3CE11570970D@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: New EWI 4000s In The House Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:37:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Michael Brecker / EWI / Looping .... i thought this video is a nice combi of all three! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOEF7f2HGoE Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net On Dec 18, 2007, at 8:54 PM, HarryEsq@aol.com wrote: > Hello All: > > I've been trying to use a WX 5 to play VST's in live performance > and it's been more difficult than it should be to control. So, the > recent talk about the EWI got me to looking into it and I went to > Sam Ash and took the plunge the other day. I've been watching > Michael Brecker EWI videos on You Tube for the past few days in > total amazement. What a great player and a great loss. Anyway, > does anyone have any words of wisdom for me as I begin my > exploration of this instrument? I've checked out a couple of EWI- > centric websites but know there are some fine EWI players on this > list who must have some pearls they can drop my way. Looking > forward to hearing from you and to sharing my musical progress > shortly. > > Harry > > Harry Weinberg, Esq. > Law Offices of Harry Weinberg > 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor > New York, N.Y. 10013 > (212) 989-2908 > > > > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 00:37:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B3233BEB9; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:37:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4769B9B1.7030305@adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:39:13 -0500 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 00:37:28 +0000 (UTC) mwsmart@insightbb.com wrote: > Yeah, interesting thread. I use an old WX7. I like the fact that it has > moving keys on it. As someone who played sax before, that feels more > familiar. I tried an older EWI with the touch switches and it felt > REALLY WEIRD to me. But maybe you can get used to it. People who use the > EWI say that once you get used to the weird keys, it's possible to play > faster than on a controller (or a real horn!) with moving keys. It's possible, I guess. I have both, and I never noticed a difference. The WX's keys are so light, and their throw is so short, that I don't think they slow you down. > Regarding the CC7 (volume) and CC2 (breath) messages: in MIDI there is > no difference between these other than the ID number of the controller. > But IIRC (don't have the WX7 handy), you can either have it send just > CC2 or BOTH CC2 and CC7 (depending on a DIP switch setting). When it's > sending two messages every time, it might be slower. But CC2 by itself > is going to be the same speed as CC7 by itself. Sure. But it's nice to have the flexibility. Back in the bad old days, some hardware synths didn't respond to CC2 at all, so it's good to have other options. > For creating synth patches, I highly recommend setting the patch up so > that the breath pressure increases the cutoff of the filter and the > amplitude of the sound at the same time. This makes a HUGE difference in > giving it a more organic sound and adding to the expressiveness. This is almost mandatory. Even if you're not aiming for an emulation, it gives an organic quality, as you say, even if the patch is some kind of Absynth soundscape. > All the > pseudo-horn sounds I do with the WX7 and Continuum are just analog-style > waves with a breath-sensitive filter and amplitude like that. Some of > them also have more static filters in line afterwards to try to sound > like the body of a sax or brass mutes. Most of this stuff should be > possible with the EWI. I dunno if the patches that come with it are any > good. That is always a crap shoot! The factory patches aren't wonderful, and I don't use them much. I haven't even done much programming for the internal synth, since the Nord and various softsynths are so much more interesting. I guess if keeping my rig tiny was really important I'd give it another try. > Anyway, here are some of my suggestions for programming wind sounds: > > http://www.marksmart.net/sounddesign/windsounds/windsounds.html It's cool that you reference a paper by Art Benade here. He was a professor where I did my doctorate, and a genuinely good guy with a warped sense of humor. One of his grad students did a thesis on woodwind tone-hole acoustics, and had the world's weirdest soprano sax, built from scraps of stuff found around the lab. Brian From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 01:43:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFE933BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5382608B-7F63-489D-9C37-E15F25A85D13@mac.com> References: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> <5382608B-7F63-489D-9C37-E15F25A85D13@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B38279C-759C-408B-9B26-DF66EBB6262E@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:43:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:43:26 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 7, 2007, at 12:45 PM, Chuck Silva wrote: > Hey Reyn! > Whas the dealeo yo? > Get down wit yo bad self yo! > WOW! > It is sooooo inspiring to rub elbows with great talent on this forum. Ha, thanks for the nice words!! > Welcome! > I'm new to this forum too and am not sure I'm worthy. But It is > inspiring to be part of the community. > I have a feeling the more seasoned loopers are going to be > impressed with your stellar talents. I know I am and I'm > persnickety indeed. > I'd love to know some details of who you are. What planet you're > from. A bit about your history. what food you eat. What are your > sleeping habits and so on. Well, in my normal life I'm a record producer. I have a studio and pretty much produce records all day. Though recently I got back from a tour with a swiss artist called Stephan Eicher. To be honest, I was never really into live playing and was more of a studio animal but with him there is a lot of room for looping and improvisation which makes it really exciting. And in fact, I learn a lot of skills that I can use again in the studio. And also looping which is really 'on the spot' makes me a broader musician I think. Hence my interest in this forum. And I'm now the proud owner of a little church near Amsterdam where I'm building my new studio. It's a massive project and I promised myself that this will be the last one. But really, if you wanna know more, I suggest you take a look at www.reyn.net . > What is the nucleus of your gear? My what? > I noticed on the youtube video, as you added more and more layers > to your groove, all the parts are nice and clear and balanced. Did > you remix it after the performance? Yeh, I recorded all outputs of the mixer separately so I could make a more decent mix later on of what I did. The Echoplex is a great machine (if it works 100%) but it's a shame it's a mono unit really. Though this is still pretty much what I did. I didn't do anything with the levels as you can hear or anything else fancy.. > Thanks again for sharing and welcome aboard comrade! You're mooore then welcome. This is a really nice community it seems. And also a very interesting one so far. I get great tips in here. In fact, I'm now also a proud owner of a Gordius Little Giant pedal! \o/ Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net > On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:30 PM, REYN wrote: > >> Hello there people, >> >> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very much into looping >> for a long time now and about time to get on this list. I really >> got into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a fan from him for >> more then 10 years and even saw some of his great shows in Largo >> in LA where he exposed some of his impressive loopings-skills. >> >> I did a recording of some of my looping some while ago, and >> thought it would be nice to share it with you guys. The topic is a >> bit strange though. It's about the fact that I wrote music for >> some Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some kinda nostalgie I >> still once in a while make an album with old C64 classics. Hence >> the Green Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope you'll enjoy: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 >> >> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Reyn >> >> www.reyn.net >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 01:53:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3213E3BEC2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:53:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 409 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:53:06 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; bh=ZPIhesvWNSV6UF+kcRek2ZoQkYs6ZRd6ond5/wf7ilA=; b=pnl+BX2r90m0C5N8pumQ2C4xL6G2I8GwpQJdyfsEcfYHhZlMfFNV8vwzj/Pl3pA+Jb6OVPZxgoEgz4VyZZPW5DuPO8YJrCvKtTBrR6S4UPuy2CZyguX5ArwYI0Uch+gzW0PHBv7q6l8Qx9rNSzTsfoFPYL5K46jOi+j5i12Av0M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=x-rim-org-msg-ref-id:return-receipt-to:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:x-priority:references:in-reply-to:sensitivity:importance:to:subject:from:date:content-type:mime-version; b=jXkXXTTRKNIZ3hMmadGMz3vlIEOn3O52ohGYSCwEmZoqCnKYoKk8u2axZ+PgVukJrcuOLfwEwA/V7gi0YBvDLeKlcrPEk79r2yuZj1aGMRAt2Mx2wQPxKGbODlxJHD5nXZteAiVQ8JmcTNy/C7ot/vGIWRMk/mjwuipzM5HjhyI= X-rim-org-msg-ref-id:1926715166 Message-ID:<1926715166-1198115172-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-680341817-@bxe124.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Reply-To: toddreyn@gmail.com X-Priority: Normal References: <1BF61308-5569-4390-8CA7-BBC5486B6D00@reyn.net> <5382608B-7F63-489D-9C37-E15F25A85D13@mac.com><2B38279C-759C-408B-9B26-DF66EBB6262E@reyn.net> In-Reply-To: <2B38279C-759C-408B-9B26-DF66EBB6262E@reyn.net> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: First posting... 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<9C8E9E18-EB9E-470B-9D10-DED1A2A49253@atarde.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <91738546-3DEB-4D9C-AF65-67C6119AFA0A@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: EDP sync problem Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:06:03 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:06:06 +0000 (UTC) On Nov 7, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Matthias Grob wrote: > yes, the Y connection is fine! That's the best news so far. I've been also trying to mix BrotherSync =20= and BeatSync and even with MIDI, but that wasn't all very satisfying. =20= This works pretty nice now, though not always 100% flawless sadly. > I did not test with very long cable... and I cannot here... > did you test with short cables? No I haven't.. But I guess because it's so random, it's hard to test =20 anyhow. But it's a good tip and I'll try it. I have made a new cable =20 that is soldered ny a pro so that I don't have all these extensions =20 anymore. That could also help I guess to make it more stable. =20 *fingers crossed* > Its actually interesting to look at the signal at the tip of the =20 > cable, whenever you have access to a scope: > its a square wave at sample frequency which has steps in it for =20 > each unit connected. when those steps "walk", we are not synced. =20 > The loss over the cable should be visible, too. Maybe it's good to do a test like that sometimes. Though I should =20 first find someone that could actually measure it with the right tools. > does anyone remember having seen such spontaneous Record/Overdub as =20= > Reyn experiences? > looks like a new problem to me... Its like when I'm in RoundMode, it will not wait sometimes until the =20 round is complete and just starts recording halfway and loose sync =20 completely. > does it only happen when all three units are connected? Yes, it does. Normally, the 2 units I use are fine. Though also they =20 don't always stay 'together' when I have like Midi Clock running for =20 example. > sorry for that confusion... that cirquit is to critical, somehow... > > On 7 Nov 2007, at 06:35, REYN wrote: > >> >> On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:18 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Matthias >>> your EDPs must be different or i got lemons because i >>> went throught it all,bought the crystals,had =B4em on my >>> EDP oberheim installed,didnt work with my gibson EDP >>> pro,sold it,got a black face still didnt sync,sold the >>> cream one got another black one and finally they >>> managed to sync better but not always, i would say 80% >>> of the time ... >>> cheers >>> Luis >> >> At some point I did a test, and the way it's set up now with that =20 >> BrotherSync Y cable and 3 black EDP's it worked 28 times out of 30 =20= >> attempts. Which is 2 times too many when you're live on stage..... >> >> But maybe one of the cables is too long since it has to cross the =20 >> whole stage and with all these lights and dimmers on stage, it =20 >> can't be good and maybe sometimes the syncsignal gets distorted. > >> On Nov 7, 2007, at 1:08 AM, Matthias Grob wrote: >> >>> with three EDPs, BrotherSync should work, Rayn! >> >> And did I do the cabling right you think? With splitting 1 stereo =20 >> cable into 2 stereo cables? Like a Y , but then stereo. It kinda =20 >> works, but sometimes they loose sync or it starts recording/=20 >> overdubbing spontaneously when 1 of them is waiting in RoundMode... >> >>> the first fix we recommend is to exchange the crystals of older =20 >>> (cream) units to match the newer (black) better. >>> did you know about that? Let me see wether Andy still has some! >> >> Chrystals?!?!?! Ehhh... Well, we use now 3 BLACK ones on stage. We =20= >> have a cream spare one, but its good to know that that one will =20 >> cause problems. Though the cream one is one of mine, so I would =20 >> love to have it up to date... > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 02:20:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A01043BECA; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:20:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5BC4A3C2-647C-49AC-A8A3-FE025C0A5FFA@gmail.com> References: <5BC4A3C2-647C-49AC-A8A3-FE025C0A5FFA@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:20:32 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:20:33 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > I've been dissatisfied with YouTube because the audio of posted > videos is crushed into mono. Though when you encode your videos yourself to a flash movie (.fla) with the EXACT right settings they use, it will not be altered and stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send you guys is in stereo. Settings are: Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate = 224kps 2 Pass (if this option exists) GOP = 120 (if this option exists) Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not stream very well. :) Good luck! Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 02:31:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC0043BECF; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_072a6d64-3c47-4aeb-88da-217caf27a483_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.14] From: samba - To: , "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: File,Call for Submissions Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:31:41 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 02:31:41.0700 (UTC) FILETIME=[748AF440:01C842B0] Resent-Message-ID: <36CpIC.A.ayF.PQdaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:31:43 +0000 (UTC) --_072a6d64-3c47-4aeb-88da-217caf27a483_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wiki=20 App. SUBMISSIONS TO FILE-LABO We are proud to announce that FILE Labo, the new media laboratory of Electr= onic Language International Festival, is now launching its first call for p= roject proposals. If you have an idea and are an artist, a designer, a programmer, an enginee= r, a scientist, or if you have developed any work for your university or fo= r yourself, and always found it an interesting work, but which ended up in = the sidelines, now you can send it to FILE-LABO. The LABO is a free territory for creation and invention; an independent and= collaborative network for the development of art, science and technology, = located in S=E3o Paulo, at the SESI Vila Leopoldina Cultural Center, and de= vised under a platform of collaboration among creators and professionals of= different areas. There, you will find collaborators from technical, theore= tical, and political-cultural areas, who will follow and support the develo= pment of your proposal. Send your project or idea through the proper submission form in the site. L= ater on, there will be a project selection by a laboratory's professional c= ommission. FILE-Labo will prioritize projects and ideas that can really be developed b= y the laboratory within the maximum period of one year. [+] _________________________________________________________________ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_1220= 07= --_072a6d64-3c47-4aeb-88da-217caf27a483_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wiki App. SUBMISSIONS TO FILE-LABO We are proud to announce that FILE Labo, the new media laboratory of Electr= onic Language International Festival, is now launching its first call for p= roject proposals. If you have an idea and are an artist, a designer, a programmer, an enginee= r, a scientist, or if you have developed any work for your university or fo= r yourself, and always found it an interesting work, but which ended up in = the sidelines, now you can send it to FILE-LABO. The LABO is a free territory for creation and invention; an independent and= collaborative network for the development of art, science and technology, = located in S=E3o Paulo, at the SESI Vila Leopoldina Cultural Center, and de= vised under a platform of collaboration among creators and professionals of= different areas. There, you will find collaborators from technical, theore= tical, and political-cultural areas, who will follow and support the develo= pment of your proposal. Send your project or idea through the proper submission form in the site. L= ater on, there will be a project selection by a laboratory's professional c= ommission. FILE-Labo will prioritize projects and ideas that can really be developed b= y the laboratory within the maximum period of one year. [+]
Sha= re life as it happens with the new Windows Live. Share now! = --_072a6d64-3c47-4aeb-88da-217caf27a483_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 05:24:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A54ED3BEC2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_03424788-5c0f-41b9-818d-4f734b9a96f7_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.14] From: samba - Subject: D.Byrne how to survive music biz. Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:24:35 -0800 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 05:24:35.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[9BFE5D10:01C842C8] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:24:37 +0000 (UTC) --_03424788-5c0f-41b9-818d-4f734b9a96f7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Most all'y'all get this anyway,but he lays it out well. We all do 'do, re, mi,' but you have got to find the other notes yourself. Louis Armstrong _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= --_03424788-5c0f-41b9-818d-4f734b9a96f7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  Most all'y'all get this anyway,but he lays it out well.
<http:/= /www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne?currentPage=3D1&= gt;

We all do 'do, re, mi,' but you have got to= find the other notes yourself.
Louis Armstrong
Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live= . Get it now! = --_03424788-5c0f-41b9-818d-4f734b9a96f7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 05:43:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 912BF3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_45c57dad-b2fb-46f3-b536-b4edcf38551c_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.14] From: samba - To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: File Submission Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:43:05 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <55655092-571C-4EE5-9ADB-2FD9D1FB160C@craigjgreen.com> References: <55655092-571C-4EE5-9ADB-2FD9D1FB160C@craigjgreen.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Dec 2007 05:43:05.0633 (UTC) FILETIME=[31801110:01C842CB] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:43:09 +0000 (UTC) --_45c57dad-b2fb-46f3-b536-b4edcf38551c_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some reason the links I sent didn't show up on the digest .try these := wiki entry form=20 We all do 'do, re, mi,' but you have got to find the other notes yourself. Louis Armstrong _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= --_45c57dad-b2fb-46f3-b536-b4edcf38551c_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  For some reason the links I sent didn't show up on the digest .try th= ese : wiki<http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_by= rne?currentPage=3D1>
entry form<http://www.file.org.br/file2008_en= triesforms/english/labo_entry.htm>

We all d= o 'do, re, mi,' but you have got to find the other notes yourself.
Louis Armstrong



i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a se= ries about real people making a difference. Learn more= = --_45c57dad-b2fb-46f3-b536-b4edcf38551c_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 08:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C54B3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 375 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:11:20 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lmCrytO3zHx0GII58gZ7++2j3xC5LoqnORphm6mO5zA=; b=vwUncVp4ikMHYyW+87bwEtpVNZMOdv8rDT3SFPAKdaYq1Eyrydq3BzRTvWnO/X4cvPftsXRON5nG8vQ/Lh00b71sCIWlGkDyc0t7Jd5h+9eE3MYBK1QBBS2sF/pAQ2blS446lCP3S86EC4JpUtxYaWv6fIlxAuJQqYVbpeGgxDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=bQp/M9Ab3qUm662u+XfAMH+uWCjAtzcDfIp5Dr2BiqzHPYB41lIFregYZQfUq3aFQo4BTJQv7hF9vK0R41GUiez3Uzk2byA2jiROigXjm6ndpekeDqgUmSmcTgtgWZ9zGSP02jhgNU6LRJVvLEHvUxxoOw//TOTzjpXyBBAlWvA= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712200005n29fef876p677d65fa12c7e698@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:05:00 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27310_12570209.1198137900929" References: <5BC4A3C2-647C-49AC-A8A3-FE025C0A5FFA@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 08:11:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27310_12570209.1198137900929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Excellent post, Reyn! Thank you for sharing this essential knowledge! I remember noticing your video actually had kept the stereo sound. So Flash is the secret. I'll do Flash from now on instead of Apple's bundled free i-ware ;-)) per On Dec 20, 2007 3:20 AM, Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > I've been dissatisfied with YouTube because the audio of posted > > videos is crushed into mono. > > > Though when you encode your videos yourself to a flash movie (.fla) > with the EXACT right settings they use, it will not be altered and > stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send you guys is in > stereo. > > Settings are: > Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps > Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate = 224kps > 2 Pass (if this option exists) > GOP = 120 (if this option exists) > Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be > the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not > stream very well. :) > > Good luck! > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > ------=_Part_27310_12570209.1198137900929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Excellent post, Reyn! Thank you for sharing this essential knowledge! I remember noticing your video actually had kept the stereo sound. So Flash is the secret. I'll do Flash from now on instead of Apple's bundled free i-ware ;-))

per


On Dec 20, 2007 3:20 AM, Reyn Ouwehand <reyn@reyn.net> wrote:
On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote:

> I've been dissatisfied with YouTube because the audio of posted
> videos is crushed into mono.


Though when you encode your videos yourself to a flash movie (.fla)
with the EXACT right settings they use, it will not be altered and
stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send you guys is in
stereo.

Settings are:
Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps
Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate = 224kps
2 Pass (if this option exists)
GOP = 120 (if this option exists)
Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be
the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not
stream very well. :)

Good luck!

Cheers,

Reyn

www.reyn.net

------=_Part_27310_12570209.1198137900929-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 09:17:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 483853BEB2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Jluz4dKT2bwCnZfw5hW2Ox38T+cevJXWJmbeIfGEbEDKQMaTakQpGqjLOy55y+nWMpVyJRw0vdQDlb0fcfOSPaMWjN+QgTVs6mfz+A2cOpUc3+ypDLVd5v/AwtNKdAE62MnJuCallKeM35o5AeRCZbGaGjowQOR4WKyvz0rg8h8=; X-YMail-OSG: e.iN3GQVM1lnd8VxBhqMepiJMO_VhBAvLmrypq2c.6Hsh44ZyE1b3qmVkYvGk2ku0TN4mLlo.fwLdaw8tsLnPtydaj20EQ4RqLat89m18OmCWTj0WII- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:17:21 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0712200005n29fef876p677d65fa12c7e698@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <902571.62841.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Hey Reyn,can you explain how to download and encode a video from youtube with flash,i suppose i would need the program,right? cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > Excellent post, Reyn! Thank you for sharing this > essential knowledge! I > remember noticing your video actually had kept the > stereo sound. So Flash is > the secret. I'll do Flash from now on instead of > Apple's bundled free i-ware > ;-)) > per > > > On Dec 20, 2007 3:20 AM, Reyn Ouwehand > wrote: > > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > > > I've been dissatisfied with YouTube because the > audio of posted > > > videos is crushed into mono. > > > > > > Though when you encode your videos yourself to a > flash movie (.fla) > > with the EXACT right settings they use, it will > not be altered and > > stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send > you guys is in > > stereo. > > > > Settings are: > > Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps > > Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate > = 224kps > > 2 Pass (if this option exists) > > GOP = 120 (if this option exists) > > Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + > 224) this seems to be > > the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any > higher it might not > > stream very well. :) > > > > Good luck! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Reyn > > > > www.reyn.net > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 09:40:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B97A13BEB2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WC5pM+8+YxUA7Noeme8hpHzXFkAGOgKxJD1uvidJnsIGkH3QqjNSBTGfcntr593jizaHjq7wFReRIQ6H48CuzBLnWJBNfmiu75JshQr4bglXPSDPAKOcSbeG8u1NuhWNLygB2jhgf5bNwZTJLUSsPJFdGRt6CKc+zAfRDjsoY8w=; X-YMail-OSG: LxOg3aQVM1kiUET4E6ZTGz21sR5_aV1L1i74wHBaUeYY1R4IihDit5gmyZRlHgcaIJzJnV1wbLzsfvHET7lgeR09wdIsdyGjpuOHSbV1knabU8KIOAo- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:40:45 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: D.Byrne how to survive music biz. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <188706.94293.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:40:53 +0000 (UTC) excellent article thank you! Luis --- samba - wrote: > > Most all'y'all get this anyway,but he lays it out > well. > > > We all do 'do, re, mi,' but you have got to find the > other notes yourself. > > > > Louis Armstrong > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows > Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 09:43:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34D253BECA; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=TFfiBzcQ/9KBLpZL6GTdHCKkb+TcE8ia4rWOefJflrg=; b=Cn7Y/IB1RbKB7PN2+NBbmtAj7z2Yxa7lXW+FCEt2YYoBNlnjWxtiqhSKJeLIkic/zaAXW5FMQPn0ebbagkjOoXmLM96DRxYYLC7zWQacIXUPh6Zfp3IXkPoEiqgtoUPTLB2bYeE7w9M75EML8ZBVxOjY3qK+4wy7Vkc5+eE1lZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sNkaiRqFbC+Fgc4UsasWaawU62IPvq9muZvahfGKGsGjHypcFGWHnGQI4Yih/gV/gsVI/NlxQt7EuSDazT/AgOy3UNH3MFIC/F1PiDoX9jmlzQtXLnGXIcUVE61GaevACPMLpzjsMvPOlD9xJ8KhR9cwS0y1ooYO9AfY5xWfAJw= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712200143vb29532fj6f6e1c3cb7409a3d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:43:20 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted In-Reply-To: <902571.62841.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27542_6739910.1198143800821" References: <66f9cc1e0712200005n29fef876p677d65fa12c7e698@mail.gmail.com> <902571.62841.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2WW7EC.A.0hF.6kjaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:43:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27542_6739910.1198143800821 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Reyn,can you explain how to download and encode a > video from youtube with flash,i suppose i would need > the program,right? > cheers > Luis > Hi, I just happened to see this post and thought it might speed things up if I can throw in an answer, although Luis is addressing Reyn here. Well, the answer is you can't. If a video is in mono on YouTube it will still be in mono if you download it, so if you convert it into Flash it will not magically become stereo. But what this is all about is when you are not downloading but rather creating a video. What Reyn is saying is that you should save it as a Flash file instead of Quicktime or whatever format you are working with. As far as I know you have to use the Flash application for doing that. Since I own the Logic Pro Studio I also have Compressor, but I'm not in a position right now to see if Compressor (OS X) can export Flash. When I made Flash cartoon movies in the past I was using Flash 4.0. Didn't Adobe buy Macromedia BTW? That means that you may probably get a good Flash support if you buy Adobes audio/sample editing application.... forgot the name now, but if you're interested you can easily find out. "Audition" maybe... anyway, it's known for being very good - kind of better than people think since it is still rather new and so far has been existing in the shadow of SoundForge, WaveLab and those kind. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_27542_6739910.1198143800821 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Reyn,can you explain how to download and encode a
video from youtube with flash,i suppose i would need
the program,right?
cheers
Luis


Hi, I just happened to see this post and thought it might speed things up if I can throw in an answer, although Luis is addressing Reyn here. Well, the answer is you can't. If a video is in mono on YouTube it will still be in mono if you download it, so if you convert it into Flash it will not magically become stereo. But what this is all about is when you are not downloading but rather creating a video. What Reyn is saying is that you should save it as a Flash file instead of Quicktime or whatever format you are working with. As far as I know you have to use the Flash application for doing that. Since I own the Logic Pro Studio I also have Compressor, but I'm not in a position right now to see if Compressor (OS X) can export Flash. When I made Flash cartoon movies in the past I was using Flash 4.0. Didn't Adobe buy Macromedia BTW? That means that you may probably get a good Flash support if you buy Adobes audio/sample editing application.... forgot the name now, but if you're interested you can easily find out. "Audition" maybe... anyway, it's known for being very good - kind of better than people think since it is still rather new and so far has been existing in the shadow of SoundForge, WaveLab and those kind. 

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_27542_6739910.1198143800821-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 10:22:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7148C3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:22:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0712200143vb29532fj6f6e1c3cb7409a3d@mail.gmail.com> References: <66f9cc1e0712200005n29fef876p677d65fa12c7e698@mail.gmail.com> <902571.62841.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <66f9cc1e0712200143vb29532fj6f6e1c3cb7409a3d@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1F29873F-030E-409F-840F-D67BE61E9D38@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:22:20 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:22:23 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 20, 2007, at 10:43 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On Dec 20, 2007 10:17 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Reyn,can you explain how to download and encode a > video from youtube with flash,i suppose i would need > the program,right? > cheers > Luis > > > Hi, I just happened to see this post and thought it might speed > things up if I can throw in an answer, although Luis is addressing > Reyn here. Well, the answer is you can't. If a video is in mono on > YouTube it will still be in mono if you download it, so if you > convert it into Flash it will not magically become stereo. But what > this is all about is when you are not downloading but rather > creating a video. What Reyn is saying is that you should save it as > a Flash file instead of Quicktime or whatever format you are > working with. As far as I know you have to use the Flash > application for doing that. Since I own the Logic Pro Studio I also > have Compressor, but I'm not in a position right now to see if > Compressor (OS X) can export Flash. When I made Flash cartoon > movies in the past I was using Flash 4.0. Didn't Adobe buy > Macromedia BTW? That means that you may probably get a good Flash > support if you buy Adobes audio/sample editing application.... > forgot the name now, but if you're interested you can easily find > out. "Audition" maybe... anyway, it's known for being very good - > kind of better than people think since it is still rather new and > so far has been existing in the shadow of SoundForge, WaveLab and > those kind. Amen! Well, the program you could use on the Mac is called "ffmpegX". It can decode pretty much everything. I think (not sure, I'm a Mac user myself) it got ported for from a PC app, so I guess it's also available for the PC. Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 11:22:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22D6D3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:21:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <476A501C.4010107@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:22:12 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special focus on northern Californian Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Light In the Shadow" on Spotted Peccary Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#dec Check out Galactic Travels on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/galactictravels Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 22 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh ====================================================================== All times are EST / GMT-5. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 13:08:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADB7C3BECA; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c84309$6bed2750$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:08:31 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:08:39 +0000 (UTC) I just saw Reyn Ouwehand's video on youtube called 'Green Beret' and was really knocked out by what a wonderful live looping musician he is. He seemed equally at home on keyboards, drumset, bass guitar and electric guitar and the track was very hip! If you folks haven't checked it out, you should. Great stuff! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 15:38:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B676D3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476A8D0A.1000109@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:40:58 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Cable length for Vortex swell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:38:46 +0000 (UTC) How long a cable is useful with a swell pedal for the Vortex? Anyone using a pedal with a 0-5 volt control voltage instead of a potentiometer based one? Might work better over distance; maybe using voltage/current converters in both ends, dunno.. Another topic is possible interference when running the swell signal on wires next to MIDI and some 0/5 volt 'manual on/off' interfacing in one and same multicore cable. Some of my gear isn't MIDI based. MIDI ifcs makes less sense, as those are used short-term/manually (i.e. an ADA Pitchraq pitch transposer). To avoid loose cables and speed up connecting gear, I'm planning one multicore cable with a sturdy plug'n'twist connector. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 17:23:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCCED3BEC5; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=x9Zp389uCnLloltRvyqWRz1dsnjrZCKFqOySV/v1ha6EwdxoLn+PYyjt+nAnqfYBX3F+9M9W1/oRbrecKVXBsVyS1c779x9DuF4tce66cxmnT6ZKu0/RB4kiKgARDdHMyMD5uH1WuUJERetHzhzQmAC8iBxYp5HCYMRdECrBLiI= ; X-YMail-OSG: 2skRU6gVM1l1Ua6iw8LzXg9AHvEOjo.qhnkdzK8SZpqYqh_V3KfBptiuwBSsalulZN4J12plzcDfQ0xkPkG0fQFGVmJ5BTn6GiE7NJ.YM5JbjTNm Message-ID: <003701c8432c$f481fa00$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <000501c84309$6bed2750$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:22:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071219-0, 19/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:23:00 +0000 (UTC) Just checked out Green Beret! Pretty good! I'd be interested to know how Reyn keep's everything in sync so well. Practice no doubt. Good work and thanks for sharing. Happy holidays, Ricky www.rickygraham.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video >I just saw Reyn Ouwehand's video on youtube called 'Green Beret' and was >really knocked out by what a wonderful live looping musician he is. He >seemed equally at home on keyboards, drumset, bass guitar and electric >guitar and the track was very hip! > > If you folks haven't checked it out, you should. Great stuff! > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 18:15:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 724483BEB2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Glenn Poorman To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:15:40 -0800 Subject: RE: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video Thread-Topic: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video Thread-Index: AchDCYJ8ZkhWXDBGQJavDjGcuZ2d7QAKsc8A Message-ID: <54A0E51A24352642A1682F35DF7407411771B8FAA5@ADSK-NAMSG-01.MGDADSK.autodesk.com> References: <000501c84309$6bed2750$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <000501c84309$6bed2750$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:15:44 +0000 (UTC) That was fantastic! Fantastic! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 8:09 AM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video I just saw Reyn Ouwehand's video on youtube called 'Green Beret' and was really knocked out by what a wonderful live looping musician he is. He seemed equally at home on keyboards, drumset, bass guitar and electric guitar and the track was very hip! If you folks haven't checked it out, you should. Great stuff! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 18:58:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04D473BEB9; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fwOlMJI1qBSTWM81RjPR3AfSFwiND0tp9k65L5vugqV939J85kk/51Fp5KFGaHHrtOx7xABOWJWgfJqvLjbfFq5R4Hy/jPxhrqDhDga7XYOAlUIdl41tVb154b6DvkeRu+QvRXjEK3FshZEVIRLXgPk3CdrphPeWnW9XWa6xz7s=; X-YMail-OSG: OzvVYSAVM1n6Gri2Q2PY.c8zqgf8JdASjKwnd64LDFEkNZhuJ7jf6jeWMpTfJdqOEVJhgQwRrvR40sLf9N.SMeNB0l2Mnl1kgPxd9EZIJZaiTO5uH4rsKIXyIWBGyw-- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:57:59 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Andrew Bird , live looper To: Loopers Delight MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:58:02 +0000 (UTC) now this is what i call immaculate live looping he uses 2 DL4s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iImZNKy1SA&feature=related cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 20:35:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7196F3BEB9; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId+I8PT From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:36:28 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c84347$ff1def30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchDLPiwD+JI3hFPSAyWngHNc9f0IwAGsGQQ In-Reply-To: <003701c8432c$f481fa00$4001a8c0@STUDIO1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:35:54 +0000 (UTC) STFA (search the fine archives that is)...when Reyn did his introductory post some time ago (11-5 that is), some discussion ensued where he commented about his approach - try that: http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/wilma_glimpse/LDarchive?query=Reyn&Se arch=Search&errors=0&maxfiles=50&maxlines=10&.cgifields=lineonly&.cgifields= restricttofiles&.cgifields=filelist&.cgifields=partial&.cgifields=case Best, Rainer > I'd be interested to know how Reyn keep's everything in sync so well. > Practice no doubt. Good work and thanks for sharing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 21:07:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 786E93BEC7; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=4oLsHYrb8tQb+ZZQ1vkOPpMjq9z5/WSIJYbI/rz3yn0=; b=Z8XBVQ8tX1ONafVf+Cp6CP2C5cOmDwng3qlWSfxPTip77T1wEMV3ulwQHLuTZpIt0WD+X5XwaoWBtfKx+vv0JKFD8DPscd1U7QScX7c3p8WnKMhCbwXR+RxJGBOiokp9HJckQ0ya1Kh0j5lJLZEhzs2Mg54QedX+x2rhsEW7ywQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=EtvP4uow9ev6ZHXr1orS15zWSEE1O4z2lf+um6NPMX60EzvQsDNIjkajgiIGq6FYLj3uog7oab9zzTQrCK5ATtl8ST+qNdfW6jgJ5/30DeHAa0+d2kewICaLKNhsp06oYR8VSyokoZI9x5DaEBDn3OT3dKRO1b6wXQ3W69otGxU= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:07:44 -0500 From: "Tony K" To: loopers-delight Subject: how to write an electronic music review MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: <376diB.A.ULH.smtaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:07:56 +0000 (UTC) this is funny.... http://www.angbase.com/articles/writing_guide.html -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 21:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 815F03BED2; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:37:57 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #558 for December 13, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <476AE0B5.4020300@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:39:10 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071213.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #558 December 13, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Folding Space and Melting Galaxies" on Space for Music Records. Craig Padilla: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Radio Massacre Seven Sceptres for Septentrional (DiN) International Sephulcrave Helpling & Jenkins The Frozen Channel Treasure (Spotted Peccary) Helpling & Jenkins Now More Than Ever Treasure (Spotted Peccary) Xeroid Entity Water Gap Live at the Deer Head Inn (Electro-music Media) Between Interval Katakomb Radio Silence(Spotted Peccary) Between Interval Your Flesh Is Radio Silence(Spotted Peccary) Irrelevant Between Interval Open Frequency Radio Silence(Spotted Peccary) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Craig Padilla Folding Space Folding Space and Melting Galaxies (Space for Music) Craig Padilla Melting Galaxies Folding Space and Melting Galaxies (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "The Light In the Shadow" on Spotted Peccary Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 21:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBCF83BEC1; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005c01c84353$8c631770$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Stereo video from Y2K7 Loopfest Santa Cruz Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:59:09 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:59:10 +0000 (UTC) I , too, was grateful for Reyn's post about stereo conversion of video files to flash files for posting at youtube (and retaining the original stereo audio). I needed a good video conversion software so I picked up Ultra Flash Video Converter 2.0.2001.1201 off of the web. I converted all of my files and the stereo was preserved beautifully, but the video conversion was awful. In the conversion parameters there were a few categories where I could not use the exact values that Reyn used so I went for the nearest values. (precisely, Video frame rate could not be 25 so I made it be the nearest choice: 24 and Video bit rate could not be 224kps so I made it be 188 (the next option was 336). Could this have been my problem? ********************************** There were several video converters advertised at the site I went to for PC. Does anyone know of one that will retain the quality of the video for PC? Additionally, I have a Mac (and am close to getting a new Intel Macbook or possibly even a Macbook pro). Reyn, how is the quality of the video conversion using the program you suggested? Will it convert PC video formats to flash as well, out of curiosity (.wmv, et. al.)? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 22:08:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 392FC3BECD; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009501c84354$cfb700d0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: REYNsSETUP a tiny URL Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:08:11 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9IUAzC.A.DnB.LfuaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:08:12 +0000 (UTC) Here's a tiny URL for REYNsSETUP from the archives of L.D. (thanks Rainer) tiny.cc/REYNsSETUP324 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 22:39:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 519DF3BECA; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: Reyn loops Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:39:37 -0800 Message-ID: <004501c84359$33836aa0$6401a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchDWJ7YXuBxWPcbRFKIIXqcuxGBCAAAE38g In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Hey Reyn! Where ya Been? Good to have you aboard. Great loop video! Bill -----Original Message----- From: Sent: None Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest Volume 07 : Issue 1011 Today's Topics: D.Byrne how to survive music biz. [ samba - ] File Submission [ samba - ] Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest S [ "Per Boysen" ] Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest S [ "L.A. Angulo" ] Re: D.Byrne how to survive music biz [ "L.A. Angulo" ] Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest S [ "Per Boysen" ] Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest S [ Reyn Ouwehand ] Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travel [ Bill Fox ] Reyn Ouwehand's looping video [ "Rick Walker" ] Cable length for Vortex swell [ van Sinn ] AW: Reyn Ouwehand's looping video [ "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Strasch ] how to write an electronic music rev [ "Tony K" ] Administrivia: Looper's Delight **************** Please send posts to: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Don't send them to the digest! To subscribe/unsubscribe to the Loopers-Delight digest version, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com To subscribe/unsubscribe to the real Loopers-Delight list, send email with "subscribe" (or "unsubscribe") in both the subject and the body, with no signature files, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Check the web page for archives and lots of other goodies! http://www.loopers-delight.com Your humble list maintainer, Kim Flint kflint@loopers-delight.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 20 22:59:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D8A83BECA; Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWEFJ+g From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: VST plugin delay that works with tempo sweeps in e.g. Cubase SX Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:00:15 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c8435c$157090d0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchDXBU3M6QVI5GKQUOnxadvo29XSQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:59:40 +0000 (UTC) Anyone knows of a VST plugin for delay that works with tempo sweeps ("ramp" in tempo map) in Cubase SX? (without crackling artifacts that is...) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 01:28:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BDE3BEC1; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:28:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002401c84370$fc6ab970$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <5BC4A3C2-647C-49AC-A8A3-FE025C0A5FFA@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:29:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18b8bUfWAI+qh6/81rOk+TH+SbcKmwm7oa/5i2 bvz4BjbcqxGSNQsabzS+UM2mz6ys3Sarm3N3DbhmkJHyvhnIML Si3sT0VWdkyX94a8lY9aovYRXRJhpbK Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:28:47 +0000 (UTC) WOW!!! THANX!!!YOU MAKE MY DAY!!! tilmann > Though when you encode your videos yourself to a flash movie (.fla) > with the EXACT right settings they use, it will not be altered and > stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send you guys is in > stereo. > > Settings are: > Audio: 44100Hz, Stereo (2 channel), 96kbps > Video: 25fps, 320x240 resized no cropping, bitrate = 224kps > 2 Pass (if this option exists) > GOP = 120 (if this option exists) > Note: the total bitrate of the clip = 320 (96 + 224) this seems to be > the typical size for YouTube clips if it was any higher it might not > stream very well. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 02:54:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BC083BEB8; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 383 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:54:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=9RMn1XUKBrw4onk+ZMAKc0qZmJqfxzv8bA1yyA9+f6Q=; b=QNV7tu9Vw5crWMni8c3QTTMtP7sb811mwDalER0lrtShrTIxVX0mX0p252aQw6uwJyA14Z6EkZtcMDxX9Il71LyKpnXLi/CZKN1iHgC9wo3HNdm2v7QyPoeXtBHciI3dg4aBqmLDCC6PAjX/0C4b7hIQ0FocKPVQWSSrvg0vNY0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Ow/f+DJBtr+GclRGKfCqdbACgHAdUxYZ3q/KBdbQYVvb79Urog5Arg47MkY3HMPYc3TA5nH0TfaItUHWJpK0OQcxfnlP7qnbgG1zNPNADo61KpDq6DF7g4g4l2FY+8f7pjj5qbRvJkYMOzisLQhRU5E9HRJHJgNoD1vHTFyguUU= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712201848k1d5f8b74p490535288794f44c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:48:12 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Mac display/video help MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26775_8565412.1198205292261" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77361 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:54:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26775_8565412.1198205292261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Forgive non-muse related folks but I need some input... I've been replacing the display element/LCD in my son's Macbook as one of his Xmas presents. History is he accidentally dropped it a ffew months ago turning it into a lava lamp. I found a laptop LCD supplier in Texas via eBay selling reasonably, $177 with shipping for a 13.3 Macbook element. I successfully got it installed yesterday all but the outer bezzel. I booted it and tested iSight camera and wireless all was beautiful yesterday. Today I figured out the bezzel issue and took everything off and own two or three times includiing the hinge that covers the clutch and what I'm assuming is the video inverter. The battery was just about totally exhausted. I booted it today after getting everything back and the display was very dim, like maybe 15% video. Ithought maybe it was just too low so plugged in the AC and no avail. Panic set in. Through trial/error I finally put the old display back on and saw that it was the same. I googled and found some chatter about power management needing resest which seemed to be a version of the old zap of the PRAM in 7.x. Did this no avail. It's beginning to look like this may be a bust for xmas saddly. Realize this is sketchy but any input from Mac folks in our group would be greatly appreciated in this final hour. Best Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_26775_8565412.1198205292261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Forgive non-muse related folks but I need some input...

I've been replacing the display element/LCD in my son's Macbook as one of his Xmas presents.  History is he accidentally dropped it a ffew months ago turning it into a lava lamp. I found a laptop LCD supplier in Texas via eBay selling reasonably, $177 with shipping for a 13.3 Macbook element.  I successfully got it installed yesterday all but the outer bezzel.  I booted it and tested iSight camera and wireless all was beautiful yesterday.  Today I figured out the bezzel issue and took everything off and own two or three times includiing the hinge that covers the clutch and what I'm assuming is the video inverter.  The battery was just about totally exhausted. I booted it today after getting everything back and the display was very dim, like maybe 15% video.  Ithought maybe it was just too low so plugged in the AC and no avail.  Panic set in.  Through trial/error I finally put the old display back on and saw that it was the same.  I googled and found some chatter about power management needing resest which seemed to be a version of the old zap of the PRAM  in 7.x. Did this no avail.  It's beginning to look like this may be a bust for xmas saddly.

Realize this is sketchy but any input from Mac folks in our group would be greatly appreciated in this final hour.

Best

Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_26775_8565412.1198205292261-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 02:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C1493BEAF; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 380 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:38 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=6K+eVqdWAQf8J2dDVtYsGVJTRiMW/6qpHv1638TEgkc=; b=OHX6GA3DNqzr3EVG34AXv8FnQ7I0B0K9G+yWOuC5HnmwkFr+aJkYKaY3jPDU+6P1YDwxy5sENTy18YfETzsHf3MmBVOoqc+34w7Qx1iAK4ICsdqr3ZdlOIdxyqSEIcOi/y2XB/hJxGUmz36fq/jAp0SLU1PxzJPQubJlhXgTIIM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=ZVhDBunZDKw23o0SvcHqzAkLIqnW8EfDKyaMUIBOq08b5WVU7WvD12Tz9bOZrmjXZGl7alBziYL3MJzvpF8ttX1F+jMBpFFe0ssDyX7Jitp4Yd12hoZRsQz0MhNDfvb7aE7V8pSJHQjXlIHKjxrpsN5EuXSwyOF801cyo5VXnQI= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:53:16 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: NY Gig spam MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26794_25394876.1198205596688" Resent-Message-ID: <2-1QkD.A.1bD.bwyaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_26794_25394876.1198205596688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One more OT... To NYer's on the list, I'm playing solo tomorrow evening (Dec. 21) here in NY at Gizzi's Coffee, 16 W.8th near MacDougal (NYU area), at 10pm. Will be a mix of my solo acoustic Michael Hedges style stuff to some improv, fretted/fretless. May or may not take Mobius on this gig which I've been enjoying discovering. I've been so stressed with the laptop issue earlier mentioned I may just hang to my roots and do my regular fingerstyle stuff so can't say this will be very loop oriented. Anyhow any in this area and near NYU please stop by and say hey. Nearest subway is the R line. Merry Holidays to all by the way jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_26794_25394876.1198205596688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline One more OT...

To NYer's on the list, I'm playing solo tomorrow evening (Dec. 21) here in NY at Gizzi's Coffee, 16 W.8th near MacDougal (NYU area), at 10pm. 

Will be a mix of my solo acoustic Michael Hedges style stuff to some improv, fretted/fretless.  May or may not take Mobius on this gig which I've been enjoying discovering. I've been so stressed with the laptop issue earlier mentioned I may just hang to my roots and do my regular fingerstyle stuff so can't say this will be very loop oriented.

Anyhow any in this area and near NYU please stop by and say hey.  Nearest subway is the R line.

Merry Holidays to all by the way

jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com
------=_Part_26794_25394876.1198205596688-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 02:59:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85EC33BED0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 435 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:57 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1d6e7g/r/JHn7jqYdisiCrxAlYOGqfBzMpuDjPp+b6Q=; b=b1TqihFZcz0Sznq7y6zkyIYvaxBMZVwsBpGb+ul2djNPTj+o7OFk5Muk0e268oSFuMl+1HgEH8IxmKnapcFnqvdhWbL6yu9mvWArw+EqkVjqy5owG6VtydX64OqxUQmsLkLuG8xt7P0hFyLaCrIC8/qPp/bV+Wx5O03CxMORi6E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=pjWjcc5zlyHsv7yRRcOKvGb3DAHCp2UXaCcsT4E6Q9sJGBGO3YfNX06GvDcAp8B1hIFuK6YujwjrwaeoG+IcoWbLoSfU1QKdf908drqoAniQJ7gogh4Io8mZaMY/1rGNxOQeR3WIrC5uHhIydYVPHFsKk25/taz47aU/FtbZ/Ag= Message-ID: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:52:41 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1143_17453641.1198205561965" X-Google-Sender-Auth: f5240ea834b87451 Resent-Message-ID: <_F720.A.QgD.twyaHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:59:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1143_17453641.1198205561965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello, It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind. I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the longer term. I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves. Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech in the future. -R ------=_Part_1143_17453641.1198205561965 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello,

It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind.

I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the longer term.

I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves.

Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech in the future.

-R
------=_Part_1143_17453641.1198205561965-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 04:06:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEC363BEB9; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Battles Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:06:33 -0800 Message-ID: <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C84343.D2B47210" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchDfbn2xaRDxGRUSYOM+rTTF8JxXwACO38g Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D3c1f0509000007d7.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:06:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C84343.D2B47210 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any "Battles" fans? Just heard of this avante garde rock band which does live looping . clips on Itunes sound very interesting -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C84343.D2B47210 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Any “Battles” fans?   Just heard of = this avante garde rock band which does live looping .   clips on Itunes sound very = interesting

 

-Qua

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 08:24:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC5E03BECA; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644482171/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAO8Ga0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSmVoIi Message-ID: <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:24:17 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:24:24 +0000 (UTC) Ryan Reid wrote: > Hello, > > It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm > in a bit of a bind. Well, someone has to ask, or very little info will be available :-) > > I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I > plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But > with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it > worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to > stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the > longer term. quite right > > I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of > months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I > didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best > deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. > In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone > can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can > anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need > a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build > a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey > themselves. It's possible, in the same way that it's possible that the 12.5V supply might not cause problems. It's even possible that the Vortex circuitry in a bit different in the power circuitry, the Jamman/Alex/Reflex are all basically the same circuitry overall, but the Vortex is different. Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. andy butler > > Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an > info-leech in the future. > > -R From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 08:26:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47BE83BECA; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=qB67bYqs/gioiJJ0QWzi8hKk2FTY3wvpPbDUvBLQLqE=; b=SxoFHxMWxpCnikKC0bMaBCSo6jVqN8nM0eukCcMjru3vbLGjkyeZEyVsjkRiRBvWqxobVpxKYs/y1qTTmhj8tNFmGTWjQkRA63oa9jL7Tovubd0+tCWNoQmQ4VLaZVc8Mb3MNFfCK5qRTGI09cWAZ3iQ7SzxX7UfRTLehQwMqJQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=M1zFsNB06CaGu5gxJziHamrwSYJXPJJ1Tdye4BSbyocspAXnz2H6G4Jdn/qJUMPjxcoZIVIwH6Mb/hdilT7MvjbtmF+6Zr8jvzaw/qi/JxoT0hDbMq46EtTc3fSO5I8IOUgsdTGKCnSOLLs3SJ6Z9nBo+SsxsfTn8493vSoPxbE= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0712210026n31f3f850rf01f2114256dd07a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:26:13 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: how to write an electronic music review In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8decc7e4b56c05d4 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Ha ha!! I really enjoyed this!! As a regular reviewer at furthernoise.org I understand this problem of re-occurring words to describe electronic music well. I=B4m pretty certain that some of these sentences are in fact taken from some of my reviews!!! Check for yourself at http://www.furthernoise.org/ then click CONTRIBUTORS then click my name... Mark Francombe to see all I have written there... By the way (and keeping ontopic) Furthernoise has a live and collaborative online video and audio looping program made in flash, that I have used to create complete AV pieces, its called Visitors Studio and its well worth a look, just to watch or to change yourself. On Dec 20, 2007 10:07 PM, Tony K wrote: > this is funny.... > > http://www.angbase.com/articles/writing_guide.html > > -- > -=3D=3D-=3D-=3D- > Tony > > --=20 www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 08:55:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8CA13BECD; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 661717516/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KALwNa0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSmYYIi Message-ID: <476B7F89.9040701@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:55:37 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles References: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> In-Reply-To: <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:55:28 +0000 (UTC) I saw them perform on UK TV (only one number). My impression was that they mostly used looping for the look of it, rather than to produce sounds that they couldn't make without the loops. (they're very "performance", and there's a lot of them in the band, so I don't mean that to be a criticism ) Bass player had an EDP, and most of the rest seemed to have DL4s which they used for single shot samples of notes they had just played. The vocalist was doing interesting stuff with pitch shifting on his voice, and some strange technique where he played guitar and synth simultaneously (don't know what, it just sounded like a synth could have done it, but then there was a lot going on) Not my thing (too much loud insistent bass thump) but definitely interesting, I'd certainly have kept watching if they'd been allowed to do another number. andy butler Qua Veda wrote: > Any “Battles” fans? Just heard of this avante garde rock band which > does live looping . clips on Itunes sound very interesting > > > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:03:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8FE93BEB6; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:03:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=rMJZK54114nAb2lgDj0O6d2rQhvbhYnNcGajpW+gFF0=; b=p94APAxj0o3bdXzVCfrXU8GHQKJLf5dmqsa8xfjzpwCbXByJ/uuTP7LJBGyItx2zdLLnNmXg3zobaP7v5ptKPaPeVk8mHmOww4sTCJ4Wt5HmNMTvsX6pv0gtZVIspDTuTNxNdl4lUgPn3EhAVcjbU866kMx4CSHsUaNx7AoNPQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=i7NwjK0IG2Y4sTY3IWTMPkYg3W6SHjX5/YsijCDeoJw2reGgdDSTRRw2J5aCmi3kGLbj3W/a8LuJJUFw4tA/4NLLZT5Hq0qLFA/hqUe+aAeWk823bZHcbs5Z5zHB55fFHDy9oQX1sd6SKtZNplbQUmu3E4436adOwNasb3ROL64= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0712210103x7b0ca2ebo2b30de0356d1e649@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:03:21 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stereo video from Y2K7 Loopfest Santa Cruz In-Reply-To: <005c01c84353$8c631770$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <005c01c84353$8c631770$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-Google-Sender-Auth: ceff4f605e9cc0c7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:03:24 +0000 (UTC) YIKES! Video settings on Loopers Delight!! I work with this everyday and I can assure you all that it never really gets easy... never a day goes by when we don't test some new setting or another. As for uploading to YouTube (never done it so I dont know) you dont have to make the Flash Video file do you? just a Avi or quicktime or whatever? Of course the general rule is ... Quality IN = Quality Out. But there are many considerations. The most important thing is, is there alot of movement in the image? Then the CODEC is doing alot of work, re-compressing every frame, therfore Bad quality. But we all like super fast cuts and moving camera don't we? Well there are some great codecs you all should try. H264 is my current fave. And you should be able to save to these formats straight out of your editing application. I use Final Cut Pro on Mac or Premier Pro on PC. Currently I am using the following steps: But bare in mind that you can push these a bit higher, my target group is business and as such they have restrictions on streamed content at many offices. Export from Final Cut Pro at Full Size using H264 codec (It good to have a perfect (but playable) quality version on your machine. Then I encode to Flash Video (.flv) using the standard Flash Video Encode that comes with Flash. I use the fantastic On2 VP6 codec at 400kbps (this is the number you can push a bit higher if you are on a fatso line) and audio set to MP3 at 96 kbps (stereo) I use a low number here because I really want stereo. and I use screen sizes that are multiples of 16 (best) 8 (good) and 4 (ok) see here >>> http://www.flashsupport.com/books/fvst/files/tools/video_sizes.html usually 768 x 432 or 640 x 360 (these are 16:9 ratio widescreen settings - your stuff is probably 4:3 or 5:3) Then the flv is embedded in a flash page using the built in flash video component, and I have some custom code interactivity and captionating (not really relevant to music) Other tips? Well one CAN try a smaller video size, say 384 x 216 and then... on the flash page just resize the component to a bigger size (still using these ratios) this works very well for those who cant use the bandwidth but still want a largish screen. hope this helps to those who want to make their own video pages. For those YouTubers I just suggest uploading a good high quality quicktime video that has maybe been resized to correct size before hand (im guessing that their system takes shortcuts here...) hope this helps someone -- www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:11:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 790523BECA; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=VEe0rw9wxEAuXbh+i8YEspYCVKy2drF2yTZV4rnyOtQ=; b=urg5W6v1TS0Wmun3ZWm1Ecp0BKPE8FSWp5feJ7c4aqo3WIUxMJk3WUrcwTunTl97VxHXpXLgnScv/jPlYJ3ZjvZYaCj2fM7Q0pSqny4bWAqT7sDGUpRuN12hJiQJD5pE9qIbXmUw5yheRVbmy2JyCZQXikezEqWTOLcMhp+7Tg4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=l1uQKCuvxz/8p0XTjJrxD4WqibuY1+FJbBy0x1jTugihRalEzZTT21N5EM7iLVaCXbBXphIWVfYhBsrrRV55PWbfj6+TFZ++yowNLLnr3ZGApkui3ygf1HleWyyMu55EsHxBLmf4XXmSy8scCmwQBiVr4sBJ+wnNLivqxsNROHc= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0712210111j19ae8d18i6e73cf7f0f0ef03d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:11:16 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles In-Reply-To: <476B7F89.9040701@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> <476B7F89.9040701@tiscali.co.uk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: bee9b17d523b5830 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Battles rock... (cant believe I said that...) not really my thing though, not enough loud insistent bass thump for me :-)) > > Not my thing (too much loud insistent bass thump) but definitely interesting, > I'd certainly have kept watching if they'd been allowed to do another number. > > andy butler www.markfrancombe.com www.looop.no From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:28:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C2E3BECF; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4-878765803 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Ableton7+OSXLeopard+sooperlooper... workie? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 01:28:17 -0800 References: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:28:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4-878765803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So,(youve heard it before, but) ive had it with the RC-50... that special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation. So im back to the drawing board. the question: has anyone run the following config:? Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > Ableton Live 7 > Sooperlooper So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I THINK) but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and new OS!!! will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? i am terrified of an on-stage- crash. will there ever be a solid solution? A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches in our small looping world? i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. they were so close !!! with love rithers --Apple-Mail-4-878765803 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So,(youve heard it before, but) =  ive had it with the RC-50...  that special "cant sync with = anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation. =   So im back to the drawing board. 

the = question:
has anyone run the following config:?

Macbook Pro > Leopard = (10.5.1) >  Ableton Live 7 > = Sooperlooper

So far im running = sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I = THINK)
but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full = hard drive wipe and new OS!!!
will Ableton 7 be more = crashproof?   i am terrified of an = on-stage-crash. 

will there ever be a solid = solution?  A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches = in our small looping world? 

i know its a stale subject = at this point, but it sure is 
too bad Roland dropped the = ball on the RC-50.   they were so = close !!!


with = love
rithers

= --Apple-Mail-4-878765803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 09:36:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 124563BED9; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/UhQtDCEvUlUo4WUv54J3+rBVVJKjeHMtEgpmGqo P2TtrEzawBvX6T Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> References: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-879335776 Message-Id: <6484313e6356dd4998000a2a4439e597@gmx.net> From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Ableton7+OSXLeopard+sooperlooper... workie? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:37:47 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:36:40 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-879335776 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Call me old-fashioned but this runs smoothly: Mac PP G4 (1.25 GHz) > OSX 10.3.9 > Ableton Live 5 > Sooperlooper (plus=20= other plugins) Cheers from Switzerland Nico Am 21.12.2007 um 10:28 schrieb rithma: > So,(youve heard it before, but) =A0ive had it with the RC-50... =A0that=20= > special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use=20= > in my current situation. =A0 So im back to the drawing board.=A0 > > the question: > has anyone run the following config:? > > Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > =A0Ableton Live 7=A0> Sooperlooper > > So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I=20= > THINK) > but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe=20= > and new OS!!! > will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? =A0 i am terrified of an=20 > on-stage-crash.=A0 > > will there ever be a solid solution? =A0A perfect tool with all the=20 > answers to all the glitches in our small looping world?=A0 > > i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is=A0 > too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. =A0 they were so = close=A0!!! > > > with love > rithers > --Apple-Mail-1-879335776 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Call me old-fashioned but this runs smoothly: Mac PP G4 (1.25 GHz) > OSX 10.3.9 > Ableton Live 5 > Sooperlooper (plus other plugins) Cheers from Switzerland Nico Am 21.12.2007 um 10:28 schrieb rithma: So,(youve heard it before, but) =A0ive had it with the RC-50... =A0that special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation. =A0 So im back to the drawing board.=A0 the question: has anyone run the following config:? Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > =A0Ableton Live 7=A0> Sooperlooper So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I THINK) but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and new OS!!! will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? =A0 i am terrified of an on-stage-crash.=A0 will there ever be a solid solution? =A0A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches in our small looping world?=A0 i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is=A0 too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. =A0 they were so close=A0!!! with love rithers = --Apple-Mail-1-879335776-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 10:54:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4503BEB9; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 302 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:54:05 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fb94935e-26a7-4ea9-a9fc-296fdb5b9ad5_" X-Originating-IP: [151.49.35.251] From: Lorenzo Orlandini To: Subject: RE: Battles Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:48:51 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> References: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 10:48:51.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[130D4370:01C843BF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:54:06 +0000 (UTC) --_fb94935e-26a7-4ea9-a9fc-296fdb5b9ad5_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Awesome band! Their Mirrored album is really one of the best things I have = heard recently. They feature former Helmet drummer John Stanier and=20 former Don Caballero guitarist Ian Williams.=20 I saw them live in NYC and it was an amazing gig. They do in fact use live = loops - I think I saw a couple of RC-20s on stage. They also had a laptop b= ut not sure what they used it for.=20 Very interesting stuff though.=20 Love that band! L.=20 From: qua@oregon.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Battles Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:06:33 -0800 =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Any =93Battles=94 fans? Just heard of this avante garde rock band=0A= which does live looping . clips on Itunes sound very interesting=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= -Qua=0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= _________________________________________________________________ Conosci Doretta? Contattala, =E8 ora su Messenger! http://www.doretta82.it/banner/index.html= --_fb94935e-26a7-4ea9-a9fc-296fdb5b9ad5_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Awesome band! Th= eir Mirrored album is really one of the best things I have heard recently. = They feature former Helmet drummer John Stanier and
former Don Caballer= o guitarist Ian Williams.

I saw them live in NYC and it was an amaz= ing gig. They do in fact use live loops - I think I saw a couple of RC-20s = on stage. They also had a laptop but not sure what they used it for.
Ve= ry interesting stuff though.

Love that band!

L.


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Subject: Battles
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Se sei stanco dei soliti auguri, scarica GRATIS le= emoticon di Natale! Windows Live Messenger = --_fb94935e-26a7-4ea9-a9fc-296fdb5b9ad5_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 11:29:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 783443BED6; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tcu5wnzqgapYpYAucaoy8dhIzQZdOOIAzQM0TlwslRI=; b=eRMCxUSk2ZQo5t0Y2Rf2oLHLUQbI1Hyc0KYiahCYz0Q9oqxcN3rM0KpCsIFGIQDks0t51n2QjqZpgOvuCuwnAheENAddZ4kFkgKX4vY0kk3vdv9aVLctkElvVva4bmXM4UFh36pC4KfqnfU8utsS29e7paH+lhz6Jt7i2dFAgMg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iYLq2iJHMIiwGL6Go9XiseDLFxuy+JqrgwSUXf6YSODKnOlxYP7YvoKQ4UBAfq9DauH6gszdxdWBMkRC7KfbVzkPpFJlNaKolTBJLcI/q9qoKD4zEO5mCUCA3AXnnOjUsme4NcgiDeGlWb9bcH685D6Buh5eBIjvjdoLaFPoaq4= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:29:49 -0500 From: "Dennis Moser" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? In-Reply-To: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27760_12166912.1198236589177" References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:29:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27760_12166912.1198236589177 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ryan, You didn't say, but I"m guessing you are in the US? If you can hang on until after the 25th-ish, I MAY have an extra Vortex power supply. I just went through and bit the bullet: bought a couple of fresh genu-wine Lexicon power supplies. I don't want ot get your hopes up, because I want to be sure everything is working (The Law of Spares, you know! If you have a spare, rest assured the one you're using WON'T break!). Best Dennis "Yes, that's FOUR Vortexes" Moser On Dec 20, 2007 9:52 PM, Ryan Reid wrote: > Hello, > > It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in > a bit of a bind. > > I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I > plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But > with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it > worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to > stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the longer > term. > > I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of months, > and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I didn't research > the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best deals I've found for a > pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. In searching the archives, I > found someone stated that the Vortex alone can run on DC, while its > "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm or contradict > this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. I have tons of > extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, but > transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves. > > Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech > in the future. > > -R > ------=_Part_27760_12166912.1198236589177 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ryan,

You didn't say, but I"m guessing you are in the US?

If you can hang on until after the 25th-ish, I MAY have an extra Vortex power supply. I just went through and bit the bullet: bought a couple of fresh genu-wine Lexicon power supplies. I don't want ot get your hopes up, because I want to be sure everything is working (The Law of Spares, you know! If you have a spare, rest assured the one you're using WON'T break!).

Best

Dennis "Yes, that's FOUR Vortexes" Moser

On Dec 20, 2007 9:52 PM, Ryan Reid <ryanreidfl@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,

It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind.

I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the longer term.

I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves.

Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech in the future.

-R

------=_Part_27760_12166912.1198236589177-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 12:59:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B05963BEDD; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c843d1$4936e7a0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <5C5E535B-F99F-4242-A143-FB915CC15D41@gmail.com> <007601c841bf$b479cfa0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <002701c841d2$d7be9c30$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <001301c8428a$b6e6d3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> <66f9cc1e0712191428v49173facn94f709db0b5c9aec@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:59:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002A_01C843D1.492645D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:59:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C843D1.492645D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmmmm, I must try one. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Per Boysen=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: MIDI wind controllers On Dec 19, 2007 11:01 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: OK, but as a sax player, the Yamaha MIDI wind controllers are more = like what we're used to, so, in most ways more "natural" I'll have to find an = EWI to give it a go.=20 With the latest EWI 4000s software update we got a "sax fingering = mode". I immediately changed my EWI to that and enjoyed the finger = setting close to playing a sax.=20 What are the sounds like on the EWI4000?' Cheesy. I bought Matts latest sound bank (PatchMan) and it made it a = little better sounding and a lot LOUDER sounding. Luckily I also = upgraded my sound card to a RME FireFace400 that gives you a good chance = to adjust input levels. But those sounds sometimes distorts the output = stage in the EWI, which you can hear if you play with head phones (like = Tillman use to do in public areas... ;-) However, I think Matts sound = bank is worth the money anyway. If you play it through some extra EQ and = reverb it sounds pretty nice. Especially for single line playing, if you = plan to layer clusters you should go directly for a MIDI module, a synth = or sampler. I tried to program the EWI's built-in synths and you can = actually do a lot of fun stuff. I saw one guy on YouTube that had crated = a sound in between a Digeridoo and a techno 303 bassline synth. He had a = lot of self oscillating resonance and controlled it all by pitch bend, = biting and breath (assigned to filter cut-off)=20 --=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C843D1.492645D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmmm, I must try one.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Per = Boysen=20
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, = 2007 10:28=20 PM
Subject: Re: MIDI wind = controllers

On Dec 19, 2007 11:01 PM, Ian Popperwell = <popperwell@iname.com> = wrote:
OK,=20 but as a sax player, the Yamaha MIDI wind controllers are more like=20 what
we're used to, so, in most ways more "natural" I'll have to = find an=20 EWI to
give it a go.

With the latest EWI 4000s software update we got a "sax fingering = mode".=20 I immediately changed my EWI to that and enjoyed the finger setting = close to=20 playing a sax. 

 
What=20 are the sounds like on the EWI4000?'

Cheesy. I bought Matts latest sound bank (PatchMan) and it made = it a=20 little better sounding and a lot LOUDER sounding. Luckily I also = upgraded my=20 sound card to a RME FireFace400 that gives you a good chance to adjust = input=20 levels. But those sounds sometimes distorts the output stage in the = EWI, which=20 you can hear if you play with head phones (like Tillman use to do in = public=20 areas... ;-) However, I think Matts sound bank is worth the money = anyway. If=20 you play it through some extra EQ and reverb it sounds pretty nice. = Especially=20 for single line playing, if you plan to layer clusters you should go = directly=20 for a MIDI module, a synth or sampler. I tried to program the EWI's = built-in=20 synths and you can actually do a lot of fun stuff. I saw one guy on = YouTube=20 that had crated a sound in between a Digeridoo and a techno 303 = bassline=20 synth. He had a lot of self oscillating resonance and controlled it = all by=20 pitch bend, biting and breath (assigned to filter cut-off)
 
--
Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C843D1.492645D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 13:08:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DF3E3BEDF; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BBB38.3050800@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:10:16 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8QdWAB.A.2f.xq7aHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:08:02 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Ryan Reid wrote: >> I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of >> months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I >> didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best >> deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. >> In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex >> alone can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. >> Can anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would >> need a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can >> easily build a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are >> a bit pricey themselves. > > > It's possible, in the same way that it's possible that the 12.5V supply > might not cause problems. It's even possible that the Vortex circuitry > in a bit different > in the power circuitry, the Jamman/Alex/Reflex are all basically the > same circuitry overall, > but the Vortex is different. > > Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. The Vortex PSU is pretty simple, just some rectifying diodes, capacotors and 78xx and LM2930 voltage regulators. With a 12 volt adapter, you'll burn a little more heat, due to dropping more voltage across the regulators. All capacitors are overrated 50 volt (in the schematics, haven't checked on the board, but won't expect crappy low-voltage ones). In the long run, use a 9 volt adapter. Until then, niçio problema. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 13:09:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A9FC3BEDA; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:09:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BBB8D.7040409@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:11:41 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cable length for Vortex swell References: <476A8D0A.1000109@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476A8D0A.1000109@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:09:25 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > How long a cable is useful with a swell pedal for the Vortex? > > Anyone using a pedal with a 0-5 volt control voltage instead of a > potentiometer based one? Might work better over distance; maybe using > voltage/current converters in both ends, dunno.. Noone using long(er) cables? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 13:39:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D91B83BEE4; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 644603933/mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAMJQa0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSPL5d5giI Message-ID: <476BC210.80406@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:39:28 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> <476BBB38.3050800@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476BBB38.3050800@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that. Any chance we could share the schematic on the Vortex Website? Van Sinn wrote: >> >> Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. > > Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. > > The Vortex PSU is pretty simple, just some rectifying diodes, capacotors > and 78xx and LM2930 voltage regulators. > With a 12 volt adapter, you'll burn a little more heat, due to dropping > more voltage across the regulators. > All capacitors are overrated 50 volt (in the schematics, haven't checked > on the board, but won't expect crappy low-voltage ones). > In the long run, use a 9 volt adapter. Until then, niçio problema. > Well, I checked out LM2390 and that appears to pretty robust. don't know about 78xx, tho' :-) Is that a kind of generic code? ...and what about diode specs? Would be great if we could confidently give a range of psu's, including DC. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 14:04:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F8363BECC; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 641941794/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAJ9Wa0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnM4Ii Message-ID: <476BC7F0.50909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:32 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cable length for Vortex swell References: <476A8D0A.1000109@post.cybercity.dk> <476BBB8D.7040409@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476BBB8D.7040409@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9Cn6nD.A.RrC.yf8aHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:04:34 +0000 (UTC) I can't see the length would make any difference, rather the total resistance of the cable. The Vortex expression input measures resistance, rather than the usual potential divider type circuit. This means that either of the common expression ped wiring types will work equally as well. Don't know what would happen if you tried a control voltage, I just measured 5V from ring to sleeve on the output. Earthing the tip to sleeve gives a reading of 0 on the Vortex. ..but connecting the tip to the 5V ring gives a figure of about 32, not the hoped for 64. So I don't think it would work. andy butler van Sinn wrote: > van Sinn wrote: >> How long a cable is useful with a swell pedal for the Vortex? >> >> Anyone using a pedal with a 0-5 volt control voltage instead of a >> potentiometer based one? Might work better over distance; maybe using >> voltage/current converters in both ends, dunno.. > > Noone using long(er) cables? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 14:16:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C825B3BED5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BCAD7.4000407@addcom.de> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:16:55 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: just got a wiimote... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) This is a christmas gift I got for myself, a wiimote, a lot of fun. I have to dive into it now technically speaking... Another looper did that already: It wasn't released back in march, but the Wii Loop Machine is ready to download now (Mac only): http://www.theamazingrolo.net/wii.html I'll keep you posted... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 14:39:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E983BED0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:39:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 831842227 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C843DF.38B1AC84" Subject: RE: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:38:58 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DC3DC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? Thread-Index: AchD3ziK9HDQahYZSrq4zc9egvLSJQ== References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 14:38:59.0167 (UTC) FILETIME=[38E9BEF0:01C843DF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:39:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C843DF.38B1AC84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why not just modify one of y'r DC supplies? take out the bridge rectifier & smoothing capacitor & run the AC straight to the vortex.=20 =20 the jamman is slightly fussy about the voltage it gets, & if one extends the power cable on the low voltage side, or runs the psu off of slightly low mains supply, the jamman will keep resetting itself. =20 my understanding is that the vortex has slightly less inside it, & uses slightly less current. =20 d. ________________________________ From: Ryan Reid [mailto:ryanreidfl@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:53 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? Hello,=20 It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind. I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the longer term.=20 I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves.=20 Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech in the future.=20 -R ------_=_NextPart_001_01C843DF.38B1AC84 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
why not just modify one = of y'r DC=20 supplies? take out the bridge rectifier & smoothing capacitor & = run the=20 AC straight to the vortex.
 
the jamman is slightly = fussy about=20 the voltage it gets, & if one extends the power cable on the low = voltage=20 side, or runs the psu off of slightly low mains supply, the jamman will = keep=20 resetting itself.
 
my understanding is = that the vortex=20 has slightly less inside it, & uses slightly less=20 current.
 
d.

From: Ryan Reid = [mailto:ryanreidfl@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:53 AM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Vortex power = supply - AC,=20 but can take DC?

Hello,

It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to = the list=20 a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind.

I purchased a Vortex, of = course,=20 without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's = 12.5VAC=20 2500mA - I know, stupid. But with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind = of a=20 pressure to make sure it worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about = 10=20 minutes. I decided to stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause = problems in the longer term.

I have already spent $100 on power = supplies=20 in the last couple of months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as = possible.=20 Honestly, I didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. = The best=20 deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. = In=20 searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone can = run on=20 DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can anyone confirm = or=20 contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need a few more volts. = I have=20 tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build a highly-filtered one, = but=20 transformers in this range are a bit pricey themselves.

Thank = you, and=20 I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an info-leech in the = future.=20

-R
------_=_NextPart_001_01C843DF.38B1AC84-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 14:57:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 933AA3BEC7; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 311 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:57:37 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_75241225-74ad-4623-9fc6-454719c21f08_" X-Originating-IP: [204.107.47.109] From: jj 179 To: Subject: Upright Bass samples? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:52:22 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <476BCAD7.4000407@addcom.de> References: <476BCAD7.4000407@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 14:52:22.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[17FA6E90:01C843E1] Resent-Message-ID: <9YlbZB.A.UzE.hR9aHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:57:37 +0000 (UTC) --_75241225-74ad-4623-9fc6-454719c21f08_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been chronically unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - got a = coupla songs that would be perfect for it. Also I don't really have the fun= ds to pay someone professional to do it. :( =20 I'm desperate enough I'm thinking of actually using sampled bass, which I u= sually hate. But it's been a long time since I checked out any samples, and= figured maybe the technology has improved enough that the listener wouldn'= t be able to tell, once mixed into the song, that it's a sample instead of = a live player.=20 =20 Towards that end, does anybody have any suggestions for a really good set o= f upright bass samples? I have no sampling hardware or software, but at thi= s point it looks like it will be easier & cheaper to buy some new piece of = software or hardware and struggle thru it's learning curve (I'm not real br= ight that way) to get some decent upright samples. =20 Let me know what you think! thanks, jj _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= --_75241225-74ad-4623-9fc6-454719c21f08_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been chronically unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - got a = coupla songs that would be perfect for it. Also I don't really have the fun= ds to pay someone professional to do it. :(
 
I'm desperate enough I'm thinking of actually using sampled bass, which I u= sually hate. But it's been a long time since I checked out any samples, and= figured maybe the technology has improved enough that the listener wouldn'= t be able to tell, once mixed into the song, that it's a sample instead of = a live player.
 
Towards that end, does anybody have any suggestions for a really good set o= f upright bass samples? I have no sampling hardware or software, but at thi= s point it looks like it will be easier & cheaper to buy some new piece= of software or hardware and struggle thru it's learning curve (I'm not rea= l bright that way) to get some decent upright samples.
 
Let me know what you think!
thanks,
jj

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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_cc9.23c97577.349d2f87_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 15:04:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E0233BEDF; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:04:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 283249.55524.bm@omp509.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=KgZUKFMMcH5N/aU+yPcdgKBxXlavHyY13K//CtfV3yYTLYeGuqCMaPagNYM/SQKrDSeYkC2iU7PSrg9BDw4YkNXk2LeN2M5UCnZ0ZMoAiI/MBtsef4dc3dUs7XJ26boC8a58Rm3PdSM1/9O6bAeKEsgD3kBpXkSDDQ9+QMjG4oE=; X-YMail-OSG: Te_a3oIVM1lbdczJtuEdktWb22UTJV4bVLARIsqxqDsMwwEVd25ab_Z5DJRt8KAAFg-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:04:21 -0800 (PST) From: Adam Hart Subject: Oberheim for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1237359988-1198249461=:90811" Message-ID: <117817.90811.qm@web45307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:04:30 +0000 (UTC) --0-1237359988-1198249461=:90811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ricky, I'm looking into selling my Oberheim Echoplex in January. I recently bought it used and am having trouble when recording my second loop - it falls out of sync with my sequencer (EDP is the slave). It works perfectly well as a stand alone looper or as a master when syncing. The feedback knob also doesn't work on the face of the unit, but feedback levels can be controlled with a volume pedal or by a midi message (which is more convienient when controlling during playing). It has Loop IV installed and full memory. Thanks, Adam ----- Original Message ---- From: Ricky Graham To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:10:27 PM Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? Thanks for all the info guys. Finding it very hard to find an Oberheim EDP anywhere here in the UK. If anyone has one for sale, please let me know. I have paypal. Thanks, Ricky ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Poorman" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? That's all true but those are more timing differences (when they were made). Any used Oberheim and/or white faced Gibson you find on the market could potentially have max memory and Loop IV. You just need to find out ahead of time. If it doesn't have Loop IV, you can order it yourself. You need to weigh the costs though and make sure that you're still getting a good deal with the added OS upgrade cost figured in. Glenn From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12 seconds of loops and loop v3.32 then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with loop4 pre-installed at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of getting more then one, go for the newer models as there are known synchronisation problems between some older obi units and the newer gibsons. as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine for me. On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read, troubles between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly still endorse the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal (even more then the creativity generated by my instrument on its own). There are people on this list who have worked hard to provide me with this tool and I tip my hat to a very respectful angle towards them for creating such a musical tool. get one...it will change your life!! Phill MyOneManBand > From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Not really much difference at all. > > The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson > models were still white and identical except for the company name. The > black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the > only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating. > > Glenn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Hi Guys, > > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for > the > first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if > there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and > gibson > (black) models? > > Thanks very much for your help! > > Ricky > ________________________________________ Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - Release Date: 12/13/2007 9:15 AM ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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Ricky,
 
I'm looking into selling my Oberheim Echoplex in January.  I recently bought it used and am having trouble when recording my second loop - it falls out of sync with my sequencer (EDP is the slave).  It works perfectly well as a stand alone looper or as a master when syncing.  The feedback knob also doesn't work on the face of the unit, but feedback levels can be controlled with a volume pedal or by a midi message (which is more convienient when controlling during playing).
 
It has Loop IV installed and full memory.
 
Thanks,
Adam

----- Original Message ----
From: Ricky Graham <rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson?

Thanks for all the info guys. Finding it very hard to find an Oberheim EDP
anywhere here in the UK. If anyone has one for sale, please let me know. I
have paypal.

Thanks,

Ricky

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Poorman" <glenn.poorman@autodesk.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson?


That's all true but those are more timing differences (when they were made).
Any used Oberheim and/or white faced Gibson you find on the market could
potentially have max memory and Loop IV. You just need to find out ahead of
time.

If it doesn't have Loop IV, you can order it yourself. You need to weigh
the costs though and make sure that you're still getting a good deal with
the added OS upgrade cost figured in.

Glenn


From: phillip wilson [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson?

My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this

my original Oberheim  shipped with 4 1mb ram modules for a total of 12
seconds of loops and loop v3.32

then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has shipped with the memory at
its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5

finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with max memory and with
loop4 pre-installed

at to buying on the used market, i would say if you are thinking of getting
more then one, go for the newer models as there are known synchronisation
problems between some older obi units and the newer gibsons.

as for syncing between black and white gibsons, that's always been fine for
me.


On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you may have read,   troubles
between my units of late...however Iwould very very strongly still endorse
the unit as the most creative tool I have at my disposal (even more then the
creativity generated by my instrument on its own). There are people on this
list who have worked hard to provide me with this tool and I tip my hat to a
very respectful angle towards them for creating such a musical tool. get
one...it will change your life!!


Phill MyOneManBand

> From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800
> Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson?
>
> Not really much difference at all.
>
> The colors don't differentiate Gibson from Oberheim. Many of the Gibson
> models were still white and identical except for the company name. The
> black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson introduced. I believe the
> only difference is that the Pro version has a CE rating.
>
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricky Graham [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> Subject: Oberheim/Gibson?
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to invest in an echoplex for
> the
> first time this week and I was hoping that you might be able to tell me if
> there is a great deal of difference between the oberheim (white) and
> gibson
> (black) models?
>
> Thanks very much for your help!
>
> Ricky
>
________________________________________
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Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. --0-1237359988-1198249461=:90811-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 15:30:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 071313BEB0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 304 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:30:58 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_c2b93836-309c-424b-8d22-5ce190d6aabc_" X-Originating-IP: [76.99.28.32] From: John Cecil Price To: Subject: RE: Battles=gr8! but what about the mars volta? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:25:51 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <9e0440a60712201853j5c099c3as18592ad67382357e@mail.gmail.com> <007601c84386$e0d7b210$a2871630$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 15:25:51.0128 (UTC) FILETIME=[C4F8F180:01C843E5] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:30:58 +0000 (UTC) --_c2b93836-309c-424b-8d22-5ce190d6aabc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable man, i am also REALLY diggin the mars volta. and it sound like they do some= looping of sorts. i have two mars volta cd's, "frances the mute" and the o= ther that i really like more than any i've heard so far, "Amputechture". but the mars volta=3D the complexity and bombast of the heaviest King Crims= on has ever rocked or freaked out, but refreshingly w/out the prog aftertas= te(s) and more of a latin/noise-kinda quasi-prog/modern and ambient-epic so= ng-feeling married to very decent lyrics/robert plant-like vox with unendin= g vocal range and a creeping hipness that's almost, but just not quite over= the edge of inclusiveness and accessibility. that just blows me away in ho= w tmv can balance all they do/can do and make it work so well. even more am= azing is how tmz can somehow connect with a very large and growing but dive= rse audience it seems and still be as weird as that wanna be...that's total= ly cool in my mind. happy holidays! jcp http://www.myspace.com/baptistpreachers & also, do go ck out: http://www.johncecilprice.com =0A= _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= --_c2b93836-309c-424b-8d22-5ce190d6aabc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
man, i am also R= EALLY diggin the mars volta. and it sound like they do some looping of sort= s. i have two mars volta cd's, "frances the mute" and the other that i real= ly like more than any i've heard so far, "Amputechture".

but the mar= s volta=3D the complexity and bombast of the heaviest King Crimson has ever= rocked or freaked out, but refreshingly w/out the prog aftertaste(s) and m= ore of a latin/noise-kinda quasi-prog/modern and ambient-epic song-feeling = married to very decent lyrics/robert plant-like vox with unending vocal ran= ge and a creeping hipness that's almost, but just not quite over the edge o= f inclusiveness and accessibility. that just blows me away in how tmv can b= alance all they do/can do and make it work so well. even more amazing is ho= w tmz can somehow connect with a very large and growing but diverse audienc= e it seems and still be as weird as that wanna be...that's totally cool in = my mind.

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Learn more = --_c2b93836-309c-424b-8d22-5ce190d6aabc_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 15:42:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7228F3BEB8; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712201848k1d5f8b74p490535288794f44c@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e0440a60712201848k1d5f8b74p490535288794f44c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: OT: Mac display/video help Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 07:42:15 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:42:24 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, This may be too simple. 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I found a laptop LCD supplier=20= > in Texas via eBay selling reasonably, $177 with shipping for a 13.3=20 > Macbook element. =A0I successfully got it installed yesterday all but=20= > the outer bezzel. =A0I booted it and tested iSight camera and wireless=20= > all was beautiful yesterday. =A0Today I figured out the bezzel issue = and=20 > took everything off and own two or three times includiing the hinge=20 > that covers the clutch and what I'm assuming is the video inverter.=20 > =A0The battery was just about totally exhausted. I booted it today = after=20 > getting everything back and the display was very dim, like maybe 15%=20= > video. =A0Ithought maybe it was just too low so plugged in the AC and = no=20 > avail. =A0Panic set in. =A0Through trial/error I finally put the old=20= > display back on and saw that it was the same. =A0I googled and found=20= > some chatter about power management needing resest which seemed to be=20= > a version of the old zap of the PRAM =A0in 7.x. Did this no avail. = =A0It's=20 > beginning to look like this may be a bust for xmas saddly. > > Realize this is sketchy but any input from Mac folks in our group=20 > would be greatly appreciated in this final hour. > > Best > > Jim > > --=20 > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin=A0=A0-=20 > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -=20 > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull=20 > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by=20= > Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > Associates and friends on the web - > Daryl Shawn - > http://www.swanwelder.com > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com=20= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 15:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5C103BED5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=s0WraCfwdH5qjRpo9AB6Y3ZiG/6U1LEohklhniRvxKo=; b=u/Umt/jkbNb3XxSj5rscw5346vX9JfgWR1DiyXkcoNafx0JKEuunspAP9yEJo7PZ6xda33z2Nd5oUW8hBZaH3e60ogbenPjRPaRYjI3zkMYplJZ9jkonk9LavGz1E2A0Ejqho1taAL3d6FEoW6LO+l+mdKRNSRP6ui6td/FxZXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=M8/TFDG29pGbBp76vjon+n3VoZid1MThWS7arGfWkwEEvq0ZGwtYbPXAW2lwpCrUUAcQrujrSPQSTsDGiLwEeLMBwT4FMBQ4yP57Eb9cBdrGeQOfyZITrKUQlOuH//V61GNVb5ka0p2k9ys/W3ZGDXI1UTDkDh0okR41PfbagUg= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712210758w3a6f1597g77fb727c39a178c0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:58:58 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Mac display/video help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28554_5238788.1198252738500" References: <9e0440a60712201848k1d5f8b74p490535288794f44c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_uB1wC.A.BsH.HL-aHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28554_5238788.1198252738500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Ted thanks so much and I never underestimate "is it plugged in?" when chasing my tail so to speak for hours on something but in this case have ruled that out. What I"ve unfortunately discovered is that somehow in my "monkeying" I've done something to the video invertor which is under the hinge covers. The clue finally was I put the old display back in and same result plus the Apple on the back is not illuminating. I'm opening up shortly to look for a severed connection on the invertor hoping I can solder and not have to pay TekServe.com here in NY to bail me out. My whole point of course was "can do it myself and save a buck" but I may have been pennywise and poundfoolish here. Appreciate the thoughts however Ted. Jim On Dec 21, 2007 10:42 AM, tEd (R) KiLLiAn wrote: > Hi there, > > This may be too simple. > > But, is there any chance you may have bumped one of the top left row of > keys on the keyboard while wrestling around with the screen a bit? > > On Mac laptops there usually is a row of smaller keys along the top row > of the keyboard. > > The top left on is the "ESC" key of course. > > But on my iBook, right next to that, are two keys that are the > brightening or dimming adjustments for the screen. > > I know this is possibly all too basic - but you never know. > > When I was a youngster (twenty-something) a friend and I worked for 5 > hours to get his car going . . . 'til we finally figured out it was out > of gas. > > It happens. > > Ted > > > On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > > > Forgive non-muse related folks but I need some input... > > > > I've been replacing the display element/LCD in my son's Macbook as one > > of his Xmas presents. History is he accidentally dropped it a ffew > > months ago turning it into a lava lamp. I found a laptop LCD supplier > > in Texas via eBay selling reasonably, $177 with shipping for a 13.3 > > Macbook element. I successfully got it installed yesterday all but > > the outer bezzel. I booted it and tested iSight camera and wireless > > all was beautiful yesterday. Today I figured out the bezzel issue and > > took everything off and own two or three times includiing the hinge > > that covers the clutch and what I'm assuming is the video inverter. > > The battery was just about totally exhausted. I booted it today after > > getting everything back and the display was very dim, like maybe 15% > > video. Ithought maybe it was just too low so plugged in the AC and no > > avail. Panic set in. Through trial/error I finally put the old > > display back on and saw that it was the same. I googled and found > > some chatter about power management needing resest which seemed to be > > a version of the old zap of the PRAM in 7.x. Did this no avail. It's > > beginning to look like this may be a bust for xmas saddly. > > > > Realize this is sketchy but any input from Mac folks in our group > > would be greatly appreciated in this final hour. > > > > Best > > > > Jim > > > > -- > > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin- > > http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com > > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > > Chinapainting - > > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Chinapainting on My Space - > > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - > > http://www.woodandwiremusic.com > > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by > > Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > > > Associates and friends on the web - > > Daryl Shawn - > > http://www.swanwelder.com > > Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com > > John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com > > Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net > > Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com > > Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com > > New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_28554_5238788.1198252738500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Ted thanks so much and I never underestimate "is it plugged in?" when chasing my tail so to speak for hours on something but in this case have ruled that out.
 
What I"ve unfortunately discovered is that somehow in my "monkeying" I've done something to the video invertor which is under the hinge covers.  The clue finally was I put the old display back in and same result plus the Apple on the back is not illuminating.  I'm opening up shortly to look for a severed connection on the invertor hoping I can solder and not have to pay TekServe.com here in NY to bail me out.  My whole point of course was "can do it myself and save a buck" but I may have been pennywise and poundfoolish here.
 
Appreciate the thoughts however Ted.
 
Jim

On Dec 21, 2007 10:42 AM, tEd ® KiLLiAn <tedkillian@charter.net> wrote:
Hi there,

This may be too simple.

But, is there any chance you may have bumped one of the top left row of
keys on the keyboard while wrestling around with the screen a bit?

On Mac laptops there usually is a row of smaller keys along the top row
of the keyboard.

The top left on is the "ESC" key of course.

But on my iBook, right next to that, are two keys that are the
brightening or dimming adjustments for the screen.

I know this is possibly all too basic - but you never know.

When I was a youngster (twenty-something) a friend and I worked for 5
hours to get his car going . . . 'til we finally figured out it was out
of gas.

It happens.

Ted


On Dec 20, 2007, at 6:48 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

> Forgive non-muse related folks but I need some input...
>
> I've been replacing the display element/LCD in my son's Macbook as one
> of his Xmas presents. History is he accidentally dropped it a ffew
> months ago turning it into a lava lamp. I found a laptop LCD supplier
> in Texas via eBay selling reasonably, $177 with shipping for a 13.3
> Macbook element. I successfully got it installed yesterday all but
> the outer bezzel. I booted it and tested iSight camera and wireless
> all was beautiful yesterday. Today I figured out the bezzel issue and
> took everything off and own two or three times includiing the hinge
> that covers the clutch and what I'm assuming is the video inverter.
> The battery was just about totally exhausted. I booted it today after
> getting everything back and the display was very dim, like maybe 15%
> video. Ithought maybe it was just too low so plugged in the AC and no
> avail. Panic set in. Through trial/error I finally put the old
> display back on and saw that it was the same. I googled and found
> some chatter about power management needing resest which seemed to be
> a version of the old zap of the PRAM in 7.x. Did this no avail. It's
> beginning to look like this may be a bust for xmas saddly.
>
> Realize this is sketchy but any input from Mac folks in our group
> would be greatly appreciated in this final hour.
>
> Best
>
> Jim
>
> --
> The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin-
> http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
> MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
> Chinapainting -
> http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
> Chinapainting on My Space -
> http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
> The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls -
> http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
> Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull
> Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by
> Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
>
> Associates and friends on the web -
> Daryl Shawn -
> http://www.swanwelder.com
> Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
> John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
> Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
> Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
> Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
> New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com



--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_28554_5238788.1198252738500-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:09:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26C8A3BED2; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BE5DA.8080406@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:12:10 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cable length for Vortex swell References: <476A8D0A.1000109@post.cybercity.dk> <476BBB8D.7040409@post.cybercity.dk> <476BC7F0.50909@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476BC7F0.50909@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:09:55 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > I can't see the length would make any difference, > rather the total resistance of the cable. Agreed. With length, I meant this and the voltage drop from the 5 volt out (as you comment below). Probably mostly a matter of cable quality. It's of no consequense ATM; however, I'm of cause planning my controls for the "A Wizard, A True Star" huge stage ego trip :-D LoL > The Vortex expression input measures resistance, rather than the usual > potential divider type circuit. > This means that either of the common expression ped wiring types will > work equally as well. > > Don't know what would happen if you tried a control voltage, Me neigher yet. Docs says it can use a control voltage. Will see.. > I just measured 5V from ring to sleeve on the output. > Earthing the tip to sleeve gives a reading of 0 on the Vortex. > ..but connecting the tip to the 5V ring gives a figure of about 32, > not the hoped for 64. > > So I don't think it would work. Hmmm.. more engineering; my hump.. > van Sinn wrote: > >> van Sinn wrote: >> >>> How long a cable is useful with a swell pedal for the Vortex? >>> >>> Anyone using a pedal with a 0-5 volt control voltage instead of a >>> potentiometer based one? Might work better over distance; maybe using >>> voltage/current converters in both ends, dunno.. >> >> >> Noone using long(er) cables? -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:10:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0873BED8; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:10:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BE5EF.2040301@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:12:31 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> <476BBB38.3050800@post.cybercity.dk> <476BC210.80406@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476BC210.80406@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:10:14 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > Thanks for that. > > Any chance we could share the schematic on the Vortex Website? Hmm.. dunno about legalities.. I got them from LexiconPro from a kind request, but even though it's a discontinued and unsupported product, they may not like public spreading. Maybe you should write them and explain cause and actions. Meanwhile feel free to ask; I'll try answer to the best of my abilities. > Van Sinn wrote: > >>> >>> Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. >> >> >> Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. >> >> The Vortex PSU is pretty simple, just some rectifying diodes, >> capacotors and 78xx and LM2930 voltage regulators. >> With a 12 volt adapter, you'll burn a little more heat, due to >> dropping more voltage across the regulators. >> All capacitors are overrated 50 volt (in the schematics, haven't >> checked on the board, but won't expect crappy low-voltage ones). >> In the long run, use a 9 volt adapter. Until then, niçio problema. >> > > Well, I checked out LM2390 and that appears to pretty robust. > > don't know about 78xx, tho' :-) > Is that a kind of generic code? > ...and what about diode specs? > > Would be great if we could confidently give a range of psu's, including DC. Oh, those are ordinary 7805 (5 volt) 3-pin voltage regulators, and 1N4004 diodes; all very common parts. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:18:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10EB83BEC5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476BE7DF.6030404@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:20:47 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DC3DC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DC3DC@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Goddard, Duncan wrote: > why not just modify one of y'r DC supplies? take out the bridge > rectifier & smoothing capacitor & run the AC straight to the vortex. > > the jamman is slightly fussy about the voltage it gets, & if one extends > the power cable on the low voltage side, or runs the psu off of slightly > low mains supply, the jamman will keep resetting itself. > > my understanding is that the vortex has slightly less inside it, & uses > slightly less current. Just an ordinary 4-diode rectifier bridge, caps, three voltage regulators and a few more diodes. Geez! I checked this when I got my Vortex with a US adapter, and forgot I'm using a 9 volt DC stabilized PSU (my own build, shame on me not even remembering). Just checked. Feeding DC into a rectifier bridge is just fine; the bridge will simply be superflous, allowing DC to flow through - which is what diodes are there for anyways :) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Ryan Reid [mailto:ryanreidfl@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:53 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? > > Hello, > > It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm > in a bit of a bind. > > I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I > plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But > with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it > worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to > stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the > longer term. > > I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of > months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I > didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best > deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. > In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone > can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can > anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need > a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build > a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey > themselves. > > Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an > info-leech in the future. > > -R -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:22:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5413BEE1; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <453ED8EA-E573-400D-8C1C-EEC5B3EB327D@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-903603923 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Upright Bass samples? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22:15 -0500 References: <476BCAD7.4000407@addcom.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:22:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-903603923 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Spectrasonics Trilogy is amazing. Complete with string noise and string clicks. On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, jj 179 wrote: > I've been chronically unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - > got a coupla songs that would be perfect for it. Also I don't really > have the funds to pay someone professional to do it. :( > > I'm desperate enough I'm thinking of actually using sampled bass, > which I usually hate. But it's been a long time since I checked out > any samples, and figured maybe the technology has improved enough > that the listener wouldn't be able to tell, once mixed into the > song, that it's a sample instead of a live player. > > Towards that end, does anybody have any suggestions for a really > good set of upright bass samples? I have no sampling hardware or > software, but at this point it looks like it will be easier & > cheaper to buy some new piece of software or hardware and struggle > thru it's learning curve (I'm not real bright that way) to get some > decent upright samples. > > Let me know what you think! > thanks, > jj > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! --Apple-Mail-1-903603923 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Spectrasonics Trilogy is = amazing. Complete with string noise and string = clicks. 
On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, jj 179 = wrote:

I've been chronically = unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - got a coupla songs that = would be perfect for it. Also I don't really have the funds to pay = someone professional to do it. :(
 
I'm desperate enough I'm = thinking of actually using sampled bass, which I usually hate. But it's = been a long time since I checked out any samples, and figured maybe the = technology has improved enough that the listener wouldn't be able to = tell, once mixed into the song, that it's a sample instead of a live = player. 
 
Towards that = end, does anybody have any suggestions for a really good set of upright = bass samples? I have no sampling hardware or software, but at this point = it looks like it will be easier & cheaper to buy some new piece of = software or hardware and struggle thru it's learning curve (I'm not real = bright that way) to get some decent upright samples.
 
Let me = know what you think!
thanks,
jj

Get the power of = Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it = now!

= --Apple-Mail-1-903603923-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:43:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C94983BEC1; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 661912435/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAKZ7a0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnToIi Message-ID: <476BED23.9040609@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:43:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> <476B7831.6050202@tiscali.co.uk> <476BBB38.3050800@post.cybercity.dk> <476BC210.80406@tiscali.co.uk> <476BE5EF.2040301@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476BE5EF.2040301@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:43:06 +0000 (UTC) van Sinn wrote: > andy butler wrote: >> Thanks for that. >> >> Any chance we could share the schematic on the Vortex Website? > > Hmm.. dunno about legalities.. I got them from LexiconPro from a kind > request, but even though it's a discontinued and unsupported product, > they may not like public spreading. > Maybe you should write them and explain cause and actions. > Meanwhile feel free to ask; I'll try answer to the best of my abilities. > They already sent a copy to Kim Flint for Looper's Delight, but he apparently got let down by the guy who was going to scan it. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:58:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5D23BEB0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 394 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:58:50 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kEO+qqBFrly/9qibd6O5rzartu5Z9UN+zXuQOhc1lZkcMdCrPnasE2cftAJHQWGTWUIFkzV7xdwIma0/+ReL1MpBVrGO65ZWKVW0yxONTrO4CBUA2Uu5AdI4/YJ6WMj6wz6/j9XDDHa7zdBYBtf7Ohw2aiqLnM8kfXPFNRMqhuw=; X-YMail-OSG: ruXbO6MVM1mPUTwv_EwJLN8GXtVqhIqJrkFFIQ6ROdia7WDYoXByetshBOIg30EZJEHnaF8P6sHEEIfRUfA1TncLlOsXoFqxBzW1.HCqwOAPgR1rnzy2.pV.zUDbVcuUeozaC.G7eKEIhig- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:08 -0500 (EST) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-574394652-1198255928=:95584" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:58:51 +0000 (UTC) --0-574394652-1198255928=:95584 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP BUT I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I just forget who) These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY? 38 RecordButton 39 OverdubButton 40 MultiplyButton 41 Insert Button 42 Mute Button 43 Undo Button 44 Next Button but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get it. I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could. I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work! why what am I missing HELP!!!! --0-574394652-1198255928=:95584 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP
 
BUT
 
I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I just forget who)
 
These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY?
38 RecordButton
39 OverdubButton
40 MultiplyButton
41 Insert Button
42 Mute Button
43 Undo Button
44 Next Button
 
 
 
 but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get it.
 
I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could.
 
 I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work!
 
why
 
what am I missing
 
HELP!!!!
--0-574394652-1198255928=:95584-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 16:58:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DC2D3BED5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CxVUm2TvEI+50++IpGUyTM+niUJ58uHnWInuukrRFbhK16Jw8c6wgI2ksV8jKtoyL5e7XOGDU5dozi4OtKQGckplTfO3PUHZ3lQm6JKBW6ipDitCSWD1LW//yHFfE9VVODRrTexYOC6ZzX2VhUtEpFtufDDOKC9y49R9bTAfWEA=; X-YMail-OSG: HA0HhYIVM1n8y6qSGWkSBXrht5jGs3lb9KNniVcX_MsYdWBSSvYpx.tPn22PCYd0h7VXMr43Cs.5tSivMyxq8oMk0M26uckrdtVdlL8bJFUX.eh_8.BjSAYYEg0N0LLP35S8i4bGXwVvOE0- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:52:16 -0500 (EST) From: JASON CASKENTTE Subject: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-769620124-1198255936=:87571" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <807513.87571.qm@web88315.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:58:57 +0000 (UTC) --0-769620124-1198255936=:87571 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP BUT I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I just forget who) These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY? 38 RecordButton 39 OverdubButton 40 MultiplyButton 41 Insert Button 42 Mute Button 43 Undo Button 44 Next Button but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get it. I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could. I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work! why what am I missing HELP!!!! --0-769620124-1198255936=:87571 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP
 
BUT
 
I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I just forget who)
 
These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY?
38 RecordButton
39 OverdubButton
40 MultiplyButton
41 Insert Button
42 Mute Button
43 Undo Button
44 Next Button
 
 
 
 but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get it.
 
I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could.
 
 I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work!
 
why
 
what am I missing
 
HELP!!!!
--0-769620124-1198255936=:87571-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 17:00:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C0023BEC5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 300 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:00:37 UTC Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_823c2fca-980d-402a-9120-46673d94cbb0_" X-Originating-IP: [151.198.85.18] From: David Grego To: Subject: RE: Upright Bass samples? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:55:34 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <453ED8EA-E573-400D-8C1C-EEC5B3EB327D@mac.com> References: <476BCAD7.4000407@addcom.de> <453ED8EA-E573-400D-8C1C-EEC5B3EB327D@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 16:55:34.0782 (UTC) FILETIME=[4DE159E0:01C843F2] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:00:38 +0000 (UTC) --_823c2fca-980d-402a-9120-46673d94cbb0_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm available. Where do ya live. How much ya got? David From: lunamusic@mac.comTo: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.comSubject: Re: = Upright Bass samples?Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22:15 -0500Spectrasonics Tri= logy is amazing. Complete with string noise and string clicks.=20 On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, jj 179 wrote: I've been chronically unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - got a = coupla songs that would be perfect for it. Also I don't really have the fun= ds to pay someone professional to do it. :( I'm desperate enough I'm thinki= ng of actually using sampled bass, which I usually hate. But it's been a lo= ng time since I checked out any samples, and figured maybe the technology h= as improved enough that the listener wouldn't be able to tell, once mixed i= nto the song, that it's a sample instead of a live player. Towards that en= d, does anybody have any suggestions for a really good set of upright bass = samples? I have no sampling hardware or software, but at this point it look= s like it will be easier & cheaper to buy some new piece of software or har= dware and struggle thru it's learning curve (I'm not real bright that way) = to get some decent upright samples. Let me know what you think!thanks,jj Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now! _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a= difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect= --_823c2fca-980d-402a-9120-46673d94cbb0_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm available. Where do ya live. How much ya got?  David

From: lunamusic@mac.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subje= ct: Re: Upright Bass samples?
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 11:22:15 -0500
<= BR>Spectrasonics Trilogy is amazing. Complete with string noise and string = clicks. 
On Dec 21, 2007, at 9:52 AM, jj 179 wrote:

I'= ve been chronically unable to find anyone who plays upright bass - got a co= upla songs that would be perfect for it. Also I don't really have the funds= to pay someone professional to do it. :(
 
I'm desperate enough= I'm thinking of actually using sampled bass, which I usually hate. But it'= s been a long time since I checked out any samples, and figured maybe the t= echnology has improved enough that the listener wouldn't be able to tell, o= nce mixed into the song, that it's a sample instead of a live player. 
 
Towards that en= d, does anybody have any suggestions for a really good set of upright bass = samples? I have no sampling hardware or software, but at this point it look= s like it will be easier & cheaper to buy some new piece of software or= hardware and struggle thru it's learning curve (I'm not real bright that w= ay) to get some decent upright samples.
 
Let me know what you t= hink!
thanks,
jj

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i=92m is proud= to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. <= a href=3D'http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=3Dtext_Cause_Effect' = target=3D'_new'>Learn more = --_823c2fca-980d-402a-9120-46673d94cbb0_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 17:34:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016A83BEC2; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PQZBHtiI6CYx9+s1gR22tVyDO6y8cdPwGvYg5oV4xMKKFyrB+PnqnlI7GqDNIpOMTsS7NyW4lPBWkz6K3uq2R5gqfZTxuTZ5ynr2xU5ohA13KpMdd6ptd3xKZkgn3aBD545Q7qpeACxnjt0pJ/10RkuBjalMhl/wIqSxtMWTpvg=; X-YMail-OSG: YQwsh3AVM1k767T0NGJW8tMvBWiLud6jauF.OvqVNMdNo2hCv.gv._pcLQ_kzNbsZCYI0mc0NnuLJx_VWlerjFGco.0L3DJfN8bICu0bGsMsO8uLIEqHqBByUynCLw-- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:34:42 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <476BE7DF.6030404@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:34:44 +0000 (UTC) Guys honestly its only a matter of time before you burn something out! I have been round and round with my fellow repair people and we all say the same thing it is not worth the risk and time involved to get the equipment working. These are the most experienced people there are saying this, four of the electrician/repairperson friends used to work for Kustom/Legend in Chanute Kansas now Ultrasound !!! They modded the big dogs Super souped up Fenders/Mesa Boogies. It seems like you are saving money but in the long run it costs much more and often left us with unrepairable by conventional speaking standards goes equipment... Buy the proper adapters from the companies or what they recommend :o) Happy Christ mas Everybodys and let it lead you all into more JOY for the new year, Love and Light to your loopy delight AGW Albertini "Custom" Guitar Works "Lightsight" --- van Sinn wrote: > Goddard, Duncan wrote: > > why not just modify one of y'r DC supplies? take out the bridge > > rectifier & smoothing capacitor & run the AC straight to the vortex. > > > > the jamman is slightly fussy about the voltage it gets, & if one extends > > the power cable on the low voltage side, or runs the psu off of slightly > > low mains supply, the jamman will keep resetting itself. > > > > my understanding is that the vortex has slightly less inside it, & uses > > slightly less current. > > > Just an ordinary 4-diode rectifier bridge, caps, three voltage > regulators and a few more diodes. Geez! I checked this when I got my > Vortex with a US adapter, and forgot I'm using a 9 volt DC stabilized > PSU (my own build, shame on me not even remembering). Just checked. > Feeding DC into a rectifier bridge is just fine; the bridge will simply > be superflous, allowing DC to flow through - which is what diodes are > there for anyways :) > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > From: Ryan Reid [mailto:ryanreidfl@gmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 2:53 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? > > > > Hello, > > > > It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm > > in a bit of a bind. > > > > I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I > > plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. But > > with eBay and UPS and all, there was kind of a pressure to make sure it > > worked. In fact, it did, and I ran it for about 10 minutes. I decided to > > stop there though, as the over-voltage might cause problems in the > > longer term. > > > > I have already spent $100 on power supplies in the last couple of > > months, and so I'm trying to be as thrifty as possible. Honestly, I > > didn't research the Vortex PS requirement until it arrived. The best > > deals I've found for a pro-audio 9VAC 1000mA supply are around $20-25. > > In searching the archives, I found someone stated that the Vortex alone > > can run on DC, while its "adapter-mates" like the Jamman cannot. Can > > anyone confirm or contradict this? If it's true, I assume it would need > > a few more volts. I have tons of extra DC supplies, and can easily build > > a highly-filtered one, but transformers in this range are a bit pricey > > themselves. > > > > Thank you, and I'll be sure to be more of a contributor than an > > info-leech in the future. > > > > -R > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 17:43:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2793BEC7; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:43:45 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:43:53 +0000 (UTC) > Guys honestly its only a matter of time before you burn something out! I > have been round and > round with my fellow repair people and we all say the same thing it is not > worth the risk and time > involved to get the equipment working. As an equipment manufacturer, I always recommend that people buy replacement power supplies directly from me. In fact, I encourage it by only charging my cost on the replacement supplies. My reasoning is that I know the behavior of the supplies that I ship. There are other supplies that will work, but without having a chance to test them, I can't no for certain that they will work. So, I try to keep my customers happy by providing them with a known good supply at a reasonable price. As far as getting supplies for obsolete equipment, I have found it difficult to always get a manufacturer supplied replacement supply for obsolete gear. In that case, I do what the people on the list here have been doing. I do my best to determine what the required specs for the supply are and then I go find a suitable supply to meet those specs. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 18:01:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 016973BEB8; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=q4aJ7xbvoQ7dYfH74ywQtKtKUEPrDSiBg806rZoGP7E=; b=XZ3IkElnGsD8BNKDhivwCp1dbZhjaz7c3Dmow/fXEyrzJ7QT4fLhfaImamDexnhCkXr8agJfFeAL18bHJ3kc0bbns+MAJCttrt8D0yeHBHrxVvtM3ThiMqMSqDz4+NuH03g4jra9WOpMx7Y6inM6egNDeqTfvG077LmXBZO6dfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TgEyWfIaxc3B+sx9dNHTBejfnhEZrTmYAcCKWPOr32JWgKGf+4ICbYBFDHVrFWzi5eO8oBV6t2BYj8j0/xCq0203CFt/bRQJy9AbYTDxnm/T5yitE8U2nFfTREjuPTKQmUn52W8kU5lrkxqNH7RzwfkJ6ewv+SRv+yOnzLiMHgQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:53:56 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? In-Reply-To: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <538a41560712201852ve610a6aje3ce76418b99bf49@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:01:14 +0000 (UTC) You might try this guy: http://cgi.ebay.com/LEXICON-LINE-6-COMPATIBLE-POWER-ADAPTER-SUPPLY-AC_W0QQitemZ350008339857QQihZ022QQcategoryZ101975QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem On Dec 20, 2007 6:52 PM, Ryan Reid wrote: > Hello, > > It feels a bit tacky to make my first post to the list a query. But I'm in a bit of a bind. > > I purchased a Vortex, of course, without an adapter. Impulsively, I plugged in a supply I have that's 12.5VAC 2500mA - I know, stupid. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 18:56:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A4E93BEC5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00db01c84403$26bb7830$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: You've been elfed! 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References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:21:54 +0000 (UTC) Bob Amstadt wrote: > >> Guys honestly its only a matter of time before you burn something >> out! I have been round and >> round with my fellow repair people and we all say the same thing it is >> not worth the risk and time >> involved to get the equipment working. > > > As an equipment manufacturer, I always recommend that people buy > replacement power supplies directly from me. In fact, I encourage it by > only charging my cost on the replacement supplies. My reasoning is that > I know the behavior of the supplies that I ship. There are other > supplies that will work, but without having a chance to test them, I > can't no for certain that they will work. So, I try to keep my > customers happy by providing them with a known good supply at a > reasonable price. > > As far as getting supplies for obsolete equipment, I have found it > difficult to always get a manufacturer supplied replacement supply for > obsolete gear. In that case, I do what the people on the list here have > been doing. I do my best to determine what the required specs for the > supply are and then I go find a suitable supply to meet those specs. Of cause you're all correct. Which is why in the previous post > Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. I said "Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. " as a reply to this specific Vortex PSU question. Whatever, I fully agree, and maybe should've refrained from the comments, especially because I forgot to advice measuring the adapter before using it. Far too many says 9 or 12 volt, but measure far more, especially the smaller possibly undersized ones. FWIW, I never plug in non-specified adapters without checking the schematics. Short example: Bought an RME Multiface without adapter. The manual said "DC 8-28 volt, ac 8-20 volt", but didn't mention connector polarity, so I mailed RME to be sure, and also ask if DC was preferred. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 20:06:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9250B3BEB0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fhbra3bM/5u968rtjO/SsrQCqGez+aPu6Rz1UVLuxjY3bcd5L8GeAvvn2jJtoQRSKuFgFKrcmkeqWUeqjErKDLj6b1Tb8re+hxgCz6xZZNb5M5Fqeom1HqvA394pK+NS97CEB6lpTU4rt4pDewSIOMbOKquX4mWfjsUf0ch8lBg=; X-YMail-OSG: xWKG88gVM1mdP1eyf2OM3sHVRjVLRSg8MXVSawOuHHSGBcBzp9TU7j_A5jcAriEd0yMnRhIVtMEdbuVnq2S9fjTE4.z9dFVyuW83RHjuv34Wm7gzlns- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <591004.71844.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1BDpRD.A.hjF.pyBbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Yeah I definitely wish you all the best possible, I just wanted to try to encourage in a constructive manner to keep "mental pain" down to the minimum. I have experienced this time and time again myself and have really beat myself to a pulp over piddly things that seemed insurmountable at the time. Ha ha but seriously folks, its no secret that one of my secrets I recommend to stay calm is chamomile tea sweetened with local honey and very tiny amounts of valerian root if Im really tearing myself a new one over something. Lots of good mercury free fish like salmon and rainbow trout from trusted sources. And to keep my fingers and bodyjoints, ligaments and muscles spasm and cramp free I drink mangosteen, white/green tea and pineapple/papaya "Organic" juices. Then when Im calm and life is well and good feeling again I pray, meditate and practice/record looping guitar instrumentals followed with a nice walk or tai-chi/yoga. I do not practice or build guitars when I am frustrated very often anyway, forms bad neural connections which leads to bad memory of remembering what was composed in that state of mind. :o) Happiest Christmas Celebration Blessings to usher in a wonderful joy filled new year to all my Super Loopty Doopter Friends Daniel T. Albertini "Lightsight" www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- van Sinn wrote: > Bob Amstadt wrote: > > > >> Guys honestly its only a matter of time before you burn something > >> out! I have been round and > >> round with my fellow repair people and we all say the same thing it is > >> not worth the risk and time > >> involved to get the equipment working. > > > > > > As an equipment manufacturer, I always recommend that people buy > > replacement power supplies directly from me. In fact, I encourage it by > > only charging my cost on the replacement supplies. My reasoning is that > > I know the behavior of the supplies that I ship. There are other > > supplies that will work, but without having a chance to test them, I > > can't no for certain that they will work. So, I try to keep my > > customers happy by providing them with a known good supply at a > > reasonable price. > > > > As far as getting supplies for obsolete equipment, I have found it > > difficult to always get a manufacturer supplied replacement supply for > > obsolete gear. In that case, I do what the people on the list here have > > been doing. I do my best to determine what the required specs for the > > supply are and then I go find a suitable supply to meet those specs. > > Of cause you're all correct. Which is why in the previous post > > Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. > I said "Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. " > as a reply to this specific Vortex PSU question. > > Whatever, I fully agree, and maybe should've refrained from the > comments, especially because I forgot to advice measuring the adapter > before using it. Far too many says 9 or 12 volt, but measure far more, > especially the smaller possibly undersized ones. > > > FWIW, I never plug in non-specified adapters without checking the > schematics. > Short example: Bought an RME Multiface without adapter. The manual said > "DC 8-28 volt, ac 8-20 volt", but didn't mention connector polarity, so > I mailed RME to be sure, and also ask if DC was preferred. > > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 20:29:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B54713BEB6; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:29:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ey1VxuTaP9ekai98EZNCpFS5kwF6FQPqj3wtNMyTrIc1GuJDWBx95nBAlyDrK+bBeV7eN9Pn4wbOvOXogRxmFTIkf8A7QPmjAo0PKG5lEMFV4gy0rYQN+Dp4C8B4cUVfNirQPKhPuiql6DI74x0j60yoC+VOiDFqVwzB+RCPWt4=; X-YMail-OSG: wotDCfQVM1m7peykW.gyAV1u3QwaMjsketpHOFBvRn8mTwHOor4m6ZHUyPLZeRDEzjP_IN6nvbFQQAAyugPDU6CvI4HZ0fIXyaJ81spPi2pAqZgdI7E- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Oberheim for sale To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <117817.90811.qm@web45307.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <902451.35981.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:29:41 +0000 (UTC) The EDP wasn´t meant ot be anybodys slave;-) i slave it sometimes with my MPC1000 and it goes out of sync if i do more loops,multiply etc.one thing you can do is to program the realign function and bring it back to sync.Ive also noticed that it syncs better if the loops arent too long and just use 1 loop. Works like a champ as a master though! Luis --- Adam Hart wrote: > Ricky, > > I'm looking into selling my Oberheim Echoplex in > January. I recently bought it used and am having > trouble when recording my second loop - it falls out > of sync with my sequencer (EDP is the slave). It > works perfectly well as a stand alone looper or as a > master when syncing. The feedback knob also doesn't > work on the face of the unit, but feedback levels > can be controlled with a volume pedal or by a midi > message (which is more convienient when controlling > during playing). > > It has Loop IV installed and full memory. > > Thanks, > Adam > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ricky Graham > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:10:27 PM > Subject: Re: Oberheim/Gibson? > > Thanks for all the info guys. Finding it very hard > to find an Oberheim EDP > anywhere here in the UK. If anyone has one for sale, > please let me know. I > have paypal. > > Thanks, > > Ricky > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glenn Poorman" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:40 PM > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > > That's all true but those are more timing > differences (when they were made). > Any used Oberheim and/or white faced Gibson you find > on the market could > potentially have max memory and Loop IV. You just > need to find out ahead of > time. > > If it doesn't have Loop IV, you can order it > yourself. You need to weigh > the costs though and make sure that you're still > getting a good deal with > the added OS upgrade cost figured in. > > Glenn > > > From: phillip wilson > [mailto:phillwilson@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:08 AM > To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > My way of understanding the life of the EDP is this > > my original Oberheim shipped with 4 1mb ram modules > for a total of 12 > seconds of loops and loop v3.32 > > then my gibson white (beige) model .. this has > shipped with the memory at > its maximum amount and mine came with loop v3.5 > > finally the blackfaces gibsons, this units came with > max memory and with > loop4 pre-installed > > at to buying on the used market, i would say if you > are thinking of getting > more then one, go for the newer models as there are > known synchronisation > problems between some older obi units and the newer > gibsons. > > as for syncing between black and white gibsons, > that's always been fine for > me. > > > On a more personal note, I have been having ,as you > may have read, troubles > between my units of late...however Iwould very very > strongly still endorse > the unit as the most creative tool I have at my > disposal (even more then the > creativity generated by my instrument on its own). > There are people on this > list who have worked hard to provide me with this > tool and I tip my hat to a > very respectful angle towards them for creating such > a musical tool. get > one...it will change your life!! > > > Phill MyOneManBand > > > From: glenn.poorman@autodesk.com > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:45:05 -0800 > > Subject: RE: Oberheim/Gibson? > > > > Not really much difference at all. > > > > The colors don't differentiate Gibson from > Oberheim. Many of the Gibson > > models were still white and identical except for > the company name. The > > black means it's the "Pro" version that Gibson > introduced. I believe the > > only difference is that the Pro version has a CE > rating. > > > > Glenn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ricky Graham > [mailto:rock.guitar.guru@btinternet.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 10:36 AM > > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > Subject: Oberheim/Gibson? > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please excuse my ignorance, but i'm hoping to > invest in an echoplex for > > the > > first time this week and I was hoping that you > might be able to tell me if > > there is a great deal of difference between the > oberheim (white) and > > gibson > > (black) models? > > > > Thanks very much for your help! > > > > Ricky > > > ________________________________________ > Messenger on the move. Text MSN to 63463 now! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.1/1183 - > Release Date: 12/13/2007 > 9:15 AM > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 20:40:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55E8A3BEC5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_22ea6514-301d-40fb-aeaf-75f9527a787d_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.250] From: samba - To: Subject: power supplies Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 12:40:03 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071221130925.745513BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071221130925.745513BEE6@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Dec 2007 20:40:03.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA0CFD90:01C84411] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:40:04 +0000 (UTC) --_22ea6514-301d-40fb-aeaf-75f9527a787d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't know about anywhere else, but here ins the states you can find ple= nty of power supplies at thrift stores for uner 5 dollars.You just have to = make sure the polarity is right,if not it's simple to reverse _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= --_22ea6514-301d-40fb-aeaf-75f9527a787d_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  I don't know about anywhere else, but here ins the states you can fin= d plenty of power supplies at thrift stores for uner 5 dollars.You just hav= e to make sure the polarity is right,if not it's simple to reverse

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Get the power of Windows + Web w= ith the new Windows Live. Get it now! = --_22ea6514-301d-40fb-aeaf-75f9527a787d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:00:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47E633BECA; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:00:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <1EDBEA11-3497-4B03-AF56-70E751A42782@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-920292321 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Ableton7+OSXLeopard+sooperlooper... workie? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:00:24 -0500 References: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:00:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-920292321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Thats the rig I'm using now. Its really great. The only thing is, is you need a really beefy Mac. I recently got a 2.4 gig PBP with 4 gigs of ram. I've played many gigs with this and it's rock solid. I couldn't be happier. My old 1.5 gig powerbook couldn't deal with it. Even with 2 gigs of ram. So far, this is my perfect solution. Chris On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:28 AM, rithma wrote: > So,(youve heard it before, but) ive had it with the RC-50... that > special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use > in my current situation. So im back to the drawing board. > > the question: > has anyone run the following config:? > > Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > Ableton Live 7 > Sooperlooper > > So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, > I THINK) > but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe > and new OS!!! > will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? i am terrified of an on-stage- > crash. > > will there ever be a solid solution? A perfect tool with all the > answers to all the glitches in our small looping world? > > i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is > too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. they were so close !!! > > > with love > rithers > --Apple-Mail-2-920292321 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi,
Thats the rig I'm using = now. Its really great. The only thing is, is you need a really beefy = Mac. I recently got a 2.4 gig PBP with 4 gigs of ram. I've played many = gigs with this and it's rock solid. I couldn't be happier. My old 1.5 = gig powerbook couldn't deal with it. Even with 2 gigs of ram. So far, = this is my perfect solution. 
Chris
On Dec = 21, 2007, at 4:28 AM, rithma wrote:

So,(youve heard it before, but) =  ive had it with the RC-50...  that special "cant sync with = anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation. =   So im back to the drawing board. 

the = question:
has anyone run the following config:?

Macbook Pro > Leopard = (10.5.1) >  Ableton Live 7 > = Sooperlooper

So far im running = sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I = THINK)
but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full = hard drive wipe and new OS!!!
will Ableton 7 be more = crashproof?   i am terrified of an = on-stage-crash. 

will there ever be a solid = solution?  A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches = in our small looping world? 

i know its a stale subject = at this point, but it sure is 
too bad Roland dropped the = ball on the RC-50.   they were so = close !!!


with = love
rithers


= --Apple-Mail-2-920292321-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:07:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1889B3BEC2; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jqIMd3YtnXXo12qBQLq0hWrwu3pu+Tnw6G1JuOorAc5G9lARKalUyGLl0AO63SgECu1tyZ+bc0ag+q2cHi2aDvs1NlCFKJEPO9UPAmrM70EKC3uZnGqCyx5WLrrQl+WDcaLGpUaQKGLTQelEEZsdfm755IyveYF0g4/CFiMKHlA=; X-YMail-OSG: 9t7GHdgVM1nXj2PZWjkbaPoPPH1gzowW_mWf.eare3RRcDz1jvvnP9ARpdTgDv1ljg9GPzG3dmry7W56oJIcKRuOCtLeasctI.xHqD2jllxWsrXxb20- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:07:57 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <493045.49728.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:07:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jason, I dont know what control source youve given to your EDP but make sure "control source" is set to=notes on the EDP,the EDP default control source # is 36(but it doesnt have to be)and you just add the offset number of the different midi functions listed in the manual. So for ex. if the offset number for "record" = 2,then just add it to the EDPs 36 source#,which means you have to go to your FCB1010,activate the note on function and then give it a 38. For the replace function(which i believe it has an offset number 9)just add it to 36 which means you have to give a note on command of 45 on your FBC1010,i hope i make sense? dont have the manual on me at the moment but ive done it so often that i still remeber some of the numbers! cheers Luis --- JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the > amazing potential of the EDP > > BUT > > I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 > functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the > Configuration walk through from some one on the list > I just forget who) > > These midid note numbers arent even in the manual > but they work, WHY? > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 Insert Button > 42 Mute Button > 43 Undo Button > 44 Next Button > > > > but I just cant go beyond those functions in my > programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get > it. > > I want to have reverse and replace and half speed > multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well > and a bunch others functions if I could. > > I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but > when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work! > > why > > what am I missing > > HELP!!!! > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:10:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 531AE3BEC1; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476C2BAC.4030505@servingpeace.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:10:04 -0800 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics References: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:10:07 +0000 (UTC) JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP > > BUT > > I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP > pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the > list I just forget who) > > These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY? > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 Insert Button > 42 Mute Button > 43 Undo Button > 44 Next Button > > > > but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read > both manuals and just cant get it. I don't have my FCB setup right now to test, but I believe that I set ControlSource to Continuous Controllers on the EDP. Then I set up the FCB to send Controllers 38 through 46 for different buttons. The FCB can send 2 controllers and can be set to send the first on first press and the second on second press, so you can set them both to the same controller number and set the value of the first to 127 (on) and the second to 0 (off). It has been a while, but I believe that this is how I did it and it worked well. Someone please correct me if my memory is wrong or incomplete. Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:10:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 293A03BED3; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=d43vcWMiUVDeSL8paFEVyeoYajOO93VpNq8ALxHJrR8=; b=EDAcqHg7sM+AVhCo8Y3WDcy8xVpqAU369uc9JsWZvCJMoXQ4ssCWjbtPU2Uvhkp+RhwlXO8Svr7w3i+OBmkw8WZ+BFIr8rGwKeuMTPwmcLZV+fSTykj7JW7XMqEH/Gk3j09QqZhoUtgeQi/lNcDSmia3GNTqMGmJ8mEfE4FR0So= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DnMepUfwkLZcSI4tyFcjPV0jRugcKSFR9FRIuUx77Ixk7c2/zUc7Olawv05st+a0Na4uIa4yx0buU2UYnjYuf/d+f6HMN8zs9zfKIjtEjyxYis7/OG/s8iIubQ0LfQXiAG9d/WuNNcckSnCgN4g3UOCFul27+BfxUK1UQfEBATg= Message-ID: <4759e5740712211310s34a5923cyee44019aa6bb2444@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:10:42 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton7+OSXLeopard+sooperlooper... workie? In-Reply-To: <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1898_9523350.1198271442896" References: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:10:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1898_9523350.1198271442896 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I won't touch Leopard, but otherwise, I can say that I used Ableton of ALL varieties except 7, running SooperLooper on my old 1.5 gigahertz powerbook for two years on tour in many high-pressure situations. I recently got a 2gig macbookpro, now am using Ableton 7 with SooperLooper, so far not even a hiccup. I have no idea why Ableton is crashing on you (it shouldn't), and sadly, from far away, not much I can do to troubleshoot. However, whenever we run combinations of non-updated and recent software, i.e. Ableton 6 if it's not Leopard-ready, it can cause unreasonable problems. That might be the first place to look, and I hope others on the list will chime in. But to be clear, here is my performance configuration. MPB 2.2 Ghz, 2 Gigs Ram, Motu Traveler running Ableton 7, SooperLooper, all controlled with an FCB 1010 straight into the traveler. Solid as a rock so far, but I'm not stupid, ANYthing can fail... All best, looking forward to hearing your successes... Todd On 12/21/07, rithma wrote: > > So,(youve heard it before, but) ive had it with the RC-50... that > special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my > current situation. So im back to the drawing board. > > the question: > has anyone run the following config:? > > > Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > Ableton Live *7* > Sooperlooper > > > So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I > THINK) > but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and > new OS!!! > will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? i am terrified of an on-stage-crash. > > > will there ever be a solid solution? A perfect tool with all the answers > to all the glitches in our small looping world? > > > i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is > too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. they were *so close* !!! > > > > > with love > rithers > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1898_9523350.1198271442896 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I won't touch Leopard, but otherwise, I can say that I used Ableton of ALL varieties except 7, running SooperLooper on my old 1.5 gigahertz powerbook for two years on tour in many high-pressure situations. 

I recently got a 2gig macbookpro, now am using Ableton 7 with SooperLooper, so far not even a hiccup.

I have no idea why Ableton is crashing on you (it shouldn't), and sadly, from far away, not much I can do to troubleshoot.  However, whenever we run combinations of non-updated and recent software, i.e. Ableton 6 if it's not Leopard-ready, it can cause unreasonable problems.  That might be the first place to look, and I hope others on the list will chime in.  

But to be clear, here is my performance configuration.

MPB 2.2 Ghz, 2 Gigs Ram, Motu Traveler running Ableton 7, SooperLooper, all controlled with an FCB 1010 straight into the traveler.  Solid as a rock so far, but I'm not stupid, ANYthing can fail... 

All best, looking forward to hearing your successes... 

Todd


On 12/21/07, rithma <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
So,(youve heard it before, but)  ive had it with the RC-50...  that special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation.   So im back to the drawing board. 

 
the question:
has anyone run the following config:?

 
Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) >  Ableton Live 7 > Sooperlooper

 
So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I THINK)
but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and new OS!!!
will Ableton 7 be more crashproof?   i am terrified of an on-stage-crash. 

 
will there ever be a solid solution?  A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches in our small looping world? 

 
i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is 
too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50.   they were so close !!!

 

 
with love
rithers

 



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------=_Part_1898_9523350.1198271442896-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:11:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028DB3BECF; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 424 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:11:04 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=DCMtJjodcXSTz/Rgp7nG8+uCsiv9wnh6GVjcl5sKd+s=; b=FM+Wia5EOfLOnxNryEPdFKt5RSwd5nzz4gVpbuCJezrBrK01Hpbb55pUZRmKo11ZwFETPkvgJeQg/c/1NAKKevb6R7GCr4BSUCZWB45FEN53OHxta1kSS/vyVODh+5fskm2Ryrtb6htzTam9cfuNR90o4qbK3sx37SYrDhmAn10= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=L+WTehPYU4C28zBNFPh6FX9jT4wGlaIudgimUu8iytPz/97iAmfD57Ffmm4gyCgTvMSWncJ9n5oxnFTevH+EQVnPtzzKDafmNU/CxobFTUsOSO2qfY/oqUNp4VfzLygtbI4JbR17yNs2B8FYTgVOmRVqMttQnHyXkTK8Va1g1rQ= Message-ID: <4cf76a0b0712211303y17bdd9b9g932c73c92042954d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:03:59 -0800 From: "miles ward" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton7+OSXLeopard+sooperlooper... workie? In-Reply-To: <1EDBEA11-3497-4B03-AF56-70E751A42782@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2050_20488892.1198271039194" References: <239797.38631.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <50A24AD4-3BE6-4CC4-8BB1-37DDD62DCE60@rithma.org> <1EDBEA11-3497-4B03-AF56-70E751A42782@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:11:04 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2050_20488892.1198271039194 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm doing that minus the sooperlooper.... so now i'm going to have to add it :) -miles On Dec 21, 2007 1:00 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > Hi,Thats the rig I'm using now. Its really great. The only thing is, is > you need a really beefy Mac. I recently got a 2.4 gig PBP with 4 gigs of > ram. I've played many gigs with this and it's rock solid. I couldn't be > happier. My old 1.5 gig powerbook couldn't deal with it. Even with 2 gigs > of ram. So far, this is my perfect solution. > Chris > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:28 AM, rithma wrote: > > So,(youve heard it before, but) ive had it with the RC-50... that > special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my > current situation. So im back to the drawing board. > the question: > has anyone run the following config:? > > Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) > Ableton Live *7* > Sooperlooper > > So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I > THINK) > but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and > new OS!!! > will Ableton 7 be more crashproof? i am terrified of an on-stage-crash. > > will there ever be a solid solution? A perfect tool with all the answers > to all the glitches in our small looping world? > > i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is > too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50. they were *so close* !!! > > > with love > rithers > > > -- ---Miles Ward ------=_Part_2050_20488892.1198271039194 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm doing that minus the sooperlooper.... so now i'm going to have to add it :)
-miles


On Dec 21, 2007 1:00 PM, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com > wrote:
Hi,
Thats the rig I'm using now. Its really great. The only thing is, is you need a really beefy Mac. I recently got a 2.4 gig PBP with 4 gigs of ram. I've played many gigs with this and it's rock solid. I couldn't be happier. My old 1.5 gig powerbook couldn't deal with it. Even with 2 gigs of ram. So far, this is my perfect solution. 
Chris

On Dec 21, 2007, at 4:28 AM, rithma wrote:

So,(youve heard it before, but)  ive had it with the RC-50...  that special "cant sync with anything" feature makes it impossible to use in my current situation.   So im back to the drawing board. 

the question:
has anyone run the following config:?

Macbook Pro > Leopard (10.5.1) >  Ableton Live 7 > Sooperlooper

So far im running sooperlooper (and its exactly what im looking for, I THINK)
but Ableton 6 still crashes on me, even after a full hard drive wipe and new OS!!!
will Ableton 7 be more crashproof?   i am terrified of an on-stage-crash. 

will there ever be a solid solution?  A perfect tool with all the answers to all the glitches in our small looping world? 

i know its a stale subject at this point, but it sure is 
too bad Roland dropped the ball on the RC-50.   they were so close !!!


with love
rithers





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---Miles Ward ------=_Part_2050_20488892.1198271039194-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:22:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 235F33BED3; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:22:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=VnwRH4jizMTDxVFF0WPHzd/KoBe3vbswPX0yKsG0C5Q=; b=AbsuKbg1OI5TpPnASfHHYbATAF6Rf72yjPJHyf0RHhq9fFQcHXyiUCHKca8cd0vQx7685wa/wEIML0xmRWgL3l6lqdWSTiDuF5Xuqf1Jedn/PNpPbtvdouJTP1V+fPEhVjVDJBOcN56lohWW8ogCatkYUtpFkUfG/7ZEY3bL+mM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=jMay5vJP12CS0XaXH7irD/1LGiilv3a1Yw8iQVfHAnvP7Zh/KxY/aKBtFThL6V60oHYyNItgOem0eQUMg/z9sMRYtBZMYpBH2Tsszn+vuhJTdXL9l0W/w2pf+LlbYsQCGOe18msrmu0qgoaVipfrLCPZEuVt/ALGB62SxqEUA7o= Message-ID: <4759e5740712211322j1cd91cdawc02deac9da194a66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:22:21 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics In-Reply-To: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1927_8829045.1198272141998" References: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:22:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1927_8829045.1198272141998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jason, three things. 1. Luis Angelo's description is perfect... follow that. I think what you were missing was the offset instructions. 2. I use a software program to program my FCB, (even though you really only need to do it once, probably) in fact, it allows you to test button depressions straight from your computer. Of course, it's a mac program. not sure what computer you're using, but there are editors on the windows side as well. iFCB it's absolutely worth the VERY reasonable fee of 14.95 3. Also remember that the continuous controllers arrangement is similar to what Luis mentioned. You have to set the feedback and volume controller number on the EDP, and then for EACH BUTTON of FCB1010 you have to assign the continuous controllers. I use 7 for volume and 13 for feedback, but it doesn't matter AT all what numbers you pick (other than I'm anal and always use controller 7 for volume as it's the midi standard). I hope that's helpful as well as Luis's post, and just keep asking your questions, we'll back you up. best, todd On 12/21/07, JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > > I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP > > BUT > > I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP > pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I > just forget who) > > These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY? > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 Insert Button > 42 Mute Button > 43 Undo Button > 44 Next Button > > > > but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read > both manuals and just cant get it. > > I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id > like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could. > > I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into > the FCb1010 it will not work! > > why > > what am I missing > > HELP!!!! > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_1927_8829045.1198272141998 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Jason, three things.

1.  Luis Angelo's description is perfect... follow that.  I think what you were missing was the offset instructions.

 
2.  I use a software program to program my FCB, (even though you really only need to do it once, probably) in fact, it allows you to test button depressions straight from your computer.  Of course, it's a mac program.  not sure what computer you're using, but there are editors on the windows side as well.     iFCB

it's absolutely worth the VERY reasonable fee of 14.95

3.  Also remember that the continuous controllers arrangement is similar to what Luis mentioned.  You have to set the feedback and volume controller number on the EDP, and then for EACH BUTTON of FCB1010 you have to assign the continuous controllers.  I use 7 for volume and 13 for feedback, but it doesn't matter AT all what numbers you pick (other than I'm anal and always use controller 7 for volume as it's the midi standard).

I hope that's helpful as well as Luis's post, and just keep asking your questions, we'll back you up.

best, 

todd




 



On 12/21/07, JASON CASKENTTE < jcaskenette@rogers.com> wrote:
I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP
 
BUT
 
I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the list I just forget who)
 
These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY?
38 RecordButton
39 OverdubButton
40 MultiplyButton
41 Insert Button
42 Mute Button
43 Undo Button
44 Next Button
 
 
 
 but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read both manuals and just cant get it.
 
I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could.
 
 I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them into the FCb1010 it will not work!
 
why
 
what am I missing
 
HELP!!!!



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------=_Part_1927_8829045.1198272141998-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 21:41:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C2653BEC7; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ve+z5kIpF260BhVl3ZG4FHGn43U0PNd3cCKMveZOsXjx+/2XAAUFOP7mzdp669/O8/DZ7eMUASh/md59wtPcGRrA5/+AglLeCYk0jwur8rOmRY2BqYMNpij5bjUNwLLabAQXXO4/ha5Kq0iTv2IGTPbehXCKyyWJ3X/TkHM6JrA=; X-YMail-OSG: aX0vXVsVM1mNvYll2YUOLWlsP7NqCHNNaSEMd0aDCXZ1kx1BUL3U97NWzermU_AiP2y.HqG2gpNfHBFgoqNO.4XTCZTNjPpDnfhO_97tcN0qADkX3.1jucunSNt41A-- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:41:34 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2B38279C-759C-408B-9B26-DF66EBB6262E@reyn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <50197.7457.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:41:37 +0000 (UTC) Hey Reyn, so this particular tune wasnt recorded with the EDP right? if i understand correctly your are taking all separate outputs of the mixer into your soundcard inputs and looping is being done with software onm different tracks??just curious,is your guitar going through a multiefector?what mixer is that? cheers man Luis > > > I noticed on the youtube video, as you added more > and more layers > > to your groove, all the parts are nice and clear > and balanced. Did > > you remix it after the performance? > > Yeh, I recorded all outputs of the mixer separately > so I could make a > more decent mix later on of what I did. The Echoplex > is a great > machine (if it works 100%) but it's a shame it's a > mono unit really. > Though this is still pretty much what I did. I > didn't do anything > with the levels as you can hear or anything else > fancy.. > > > Thanks again for sharing and welcome aboard > comrade! > > You're mooore then welcome. This is a really nice > community it seems. > And also a very interesting one so far. I get great > tips in here. In > fact, I'm now also a proud owner of a Gordius Little > Giant pedal! \o/ > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > > On Nov 5, 2007, at 1:30 PM, REYN wrote: > > > >> Hello there people, > >> > >> I'm new here and this is my first post. I'm very > much into looping > >> for a long time now and about time to get on this > list. I really > >> got into looping through Jon Brion. I have been a > fan from him for > >> more then 10 years and even saw some of his great > shows in Largo > >> in LA where he exposed some of his impressive > loopings-skills. > >> > >> I did a recording of some of my looping some > while ago, and > >> thought it would be nice to share it with you > guys. The topic is a > >> bit strange though. It's about the fact that I > wrote music for > >> some Commodore 64 games a long time ago. As some > kinda nostalgie I > >> still once in a while make an album with old C64 > classics. Hence > >> the Green Beret by Martin Galway. Well, hope > you'll enjoy: > >> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8UBY8Yj9c0 > >> > >> Happy to be a part of Loopers-Delight!! > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Reyn > >> > >> www.reyn.net > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! 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Cc: Krispen Hartung In-Reply-To: <00db01c84403$26bb7830$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <3XZJoD.A.G-C.wmDbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Heheheheh. That's amazingly funny! I can't wait to show my wife. BTW, I'm making headway on the CD art. I may get it to you this weekend. Cheers, And of course, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, a Kickin' Kwanza, and a Whacky Winter Solstice and all that stuff to you and yours too. Ted ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is what my wife, kids, and I do on our spare time. :) > > http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1633977630 > > Happy holidays and elf seeking! > > Kris > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 22:10:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 643863BED3; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071221170947.CUVA2.24079.root@fepweb10> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:09:47 -0800 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: You've been elfed! Cc: Krispen Hartung In-Reply-To: <00db01c84403$26bb7830$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1eAPjB.A.N-C.wmDbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:10:00 +0000 (UTC) Kris, Heheheheh. That's amazingly funny! I can't wait to show my wife. BTW, I'm making headway on the CD art. I may get it to you this weekend. Cheers, And of course, Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, a Kickin' Kwanza, and a Whacky Winter Solstice and all that stuff to you and yours too. Ted ---- Krispen Hartung wrote: > This is what my wife, kids, and I do on our spare time. :) > > http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=1633977630 > > Happy holidays and elf seeking! > > Kris > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 22:10:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028373BEDB; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 662027497/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KANLHa0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnTYIi Message-ID: <476C39E2.3040604@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:10:42 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EDP FCB1010 beyond the basics References: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <570416.95584.qm@web88309.mail.re4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:10:28 +0000 (UTC) which software version? Loop3 or Loop4? JASON CASKENTTE wrote: > I bought a FCB1010 so that I could access the amazing potential of the EDP > > BUT > > I can only make my FCB 1010 control the regular 7 functions of the EDP > pedal (thanks to the Configuration walk through from some one on the > list I just forget who) > > These midid note numbers arent even in the manual but they work, WHY? > 38 RecordButton > 39 OverdubButton > 40 MultiplyButton > 41 Insert Button > 42 Mute Button > 43 Undo Button > 44 Next Button > > > > but I just cant go beyond those functions in my programing, I've read > both manuals and just cant get it. > > I want to have reverse and replace and half speed multiply next loop, Id > like to trigger loops as well and a bunch others functions if I could. > > I see the list I see the numbers in the chart but when I input them > into the FCb1010 it will not work! > > why > > what am I missing > > HELP!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 22:17:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD723BED5; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 642131257/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.176.153 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.176.153 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAKLKa0dPSrCZ/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnQ4Ii Message-ID: <476C3B87.8000903@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:17:43 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77413 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 22:17:29 +0000 (UTC) van sinn says > Of cause you're all correct. Which is why in the previous post > > Personally, though, I wouldn't risk it. > I said "Always a good starting point, until checking schematics.. " > as a reply to this specific Vortex PSU question. > > Whatever, I fully agree, and maybe should've refrained from the > comments, especially because I forgot to advice measuring the adapter > before using it. Far too many says 9 or 12 volt, but measure far more, > especially the smaller possibly undersized ones. Generally unregulated psu will measure more when not connected to anything anyway. Need to be on load for a meaningful measurement. ( I'm sure you know that, but just to share it) > > > FWIW, I never plug in non-specified adapters without checking the > schematics. :-) Lexicon just gave me the link for download So, hopefully psu info, and a way round the encoder problem some time in 2008 andy > Short example: Bought an RME Multiface without adapter. The manual said > "DC 8-28 volt, ac 8-20 volt", but didn't mention connector polarity, so > I mailed RME to be sure, and also ask if DC was preferred. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 23:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6273BEB0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TY-btpfdAAAA:8 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=fE-k0jdOkbDtZfXga4IA:9 a=wL4eQHjM6Vq492S22kqHU5Nlb2cA:4 a=kJVaTwQnZmMA:10 a=WVz4aDXJhBItyk_bSKAA:7 a=YUrviGkJnh-2aBB67upy5208CswA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: Subject: Looping through keyboard amps? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:05:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0071_01C843FC.07B485F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:05:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C843FC.07B485F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone have any experience playing electric looped guitar through = something like the=20 Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and Keyboard Amp http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel= -PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=3D480782 I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp simulators and such = through a mixer and headphones. I have been thinking of trying one of these for jamming out, lots of = power and a clear clean sound with no bs channel switching=20 like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and price do matter. Anyone? happy holidays, Jeff http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html ------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C843FC.07B485F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone have any experience playing = electric looped=20 guitar through something like the
Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and Keyboard Amp
http://www.musiciansfri= end.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard= -Amp?sku=3D480782
 
I have been playing sans amp for awhile = using amp=20 simulators and such through a mixer and headphones.
I have been thinking of trying one of = these for=20 jamming out, lots of power and a clear clean sound with no bs channel = switching=20
like on comparably priced guitar amps. = Size and=20 price do matter. Anyone?
 
happy holidays,
 Jeff
 
http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html
------=_NextPart_000_0071_01C843FC.07B485F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 23:25:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED0BD3BEB0; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <033201c84428$c4ee6ec0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Your CDs on eBay? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:25:26 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-5298-1198279527-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <8uey9B.A.N0H.otEbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:25:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-5298-1198279527-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-5298-1198279527-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-5298-1198279527-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cripes! I just found this: http://cgi.ebay.com/KRISPEN-HARTUNG---PLACES---CD-*NEW_W0QQitemZ200185342= 526QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=3DTL0712191052a16295 I had no idea...crazy. $4.15...what a deal. Orchard must be selling it = at cost. What is hilarious is that they have me under DJ/Dance. Buyers will be in = for a big surprise. Kris Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-5298-1198279527-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cripes! I just found this:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com= /KRISPEN-HARTUNG---PLACES---CD-*NEW_W0QQitemZ200185342526QQcmdZViewItem?I= MSfp=3DTL0712191052a16295
 
I had no idea...crazy.  = $4.15...what a deal.=20 Orchard must be selling it at cost.
 
What is hilarious is that they have me = under=20 DJ/Dance. Buyers will be in for a big surprise.
 
Kris
 

Krispen = Hartung
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References: <591004.71844.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <591004.71844.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Dan wrote: > Yeah I definitely wish you all the best possible, I just wanted to try to encourage in a > constructive manner to keep "mental pain" down to the minimum. I have experienced this time and > time again myself and have really beat myself to a pulp over piddly things that seemed > insurmountable at the time. > Ha ha but seriously folks, its no secret that one of my secrets I recommend to stay calm is > chamomile tea sweetened with local honey and very tiny amounts of valerian root if Im really > tearing myself a new one over something. Lots of good mercury free fish like salmon and rainbow > trout from trusted sources. And to keep my fingers and bodyjoints, ligaments and muscles spasm > and cramp free I drink mangosteen, white/green tea and pineapple/papaya "Organic" juices. Then > when Im calm and life is well and good feeling again I pray, meditate and practice/record looping > guitar instrumentals followed with a nice walk or tai-chi/yoga. I do not practice or build > guitars when I am frustrated very often anyway, forms bad neural connections which leads to bad > memory of remembering what was composed in that state of mind. :o) > Happiest Christmas Celebration Blessings to usher in a > wonderful joy filled new year to all my Super Loopty Doopter Friends Oh man, that was deep. And so true. Allow me to summarize with the Indian filosophy that "All is in all". And a Merry Christmas to you and all in here too ;) -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 23:35:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31E153BEB6; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: oA4T8nYVM1no.UksBo9mWwzq1ippoae3nNwtUxIHHfaDtCPp70FUm5hbkHM4sMIUffyLNnGteu7VaRzhl3u41eiy6BJVUPIXfSBdOeNn48EN5ccfAqI- Message-ID: <002f01c8442a$11c02760$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <033201c84428$c4ee6ec0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Your CDs on eBay? Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:34:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C843F7.C6007140" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <3ftTv.A.Sx.j2EbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:35:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C843F7.C6007140 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002C_01C843F7.C6007140" ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01C843F7.C6007140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Shocked me to find my used CD's and some new by second hand sellers on = Amazon. It's getting out there, so that's good! ~peace~ Plish ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:25 PM Subject: Your CDs on eBay? Cripes! I just found this: = http://cgi.ebay.com/KRISPEN-HARTUNG---PLACES---CD-*NEW_W0QQitemZ200185342= 526QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=3DTL0712191052a16295 I had no idea...crazy. $4.15...what a deal. Orchard must be selling = it at cost. What is hilarious is that they have me under DJ/Dance. Buyers will be = in for a big surprise. Kris Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_001_002C_01C843F7.C6007140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Shocked me to find my used CD's and = some new by=20 second hand sellers on Amazon.
 
It's getting out there, so that's=20 good!
 
~peace~
 
Plish
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 = 5:25=20 PM
Subject: Your CDs on = eBay?

Cripes! I just found = this:
 
http://cgi.ebay.com= /KRISPEN-HARTUNG---PLACES---CD-*NEW_W0QQitemZ200185342526QQcmdZViewItem?I= MSfp=3DTL0712191052a16295
 
I had no idea...crazy.  = $4.15...what a deal.=20 Orchard must be selling it at cost.
 
What is hilarious is that they have = me under=20 DJ/Dance. Buyers will be in for a big surprise.
 
Kris
 

Krispen = Hartung
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In-Reply-To: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:39:09 +0000 (UTC) I've been using a Roland KC-300 for several years for that. On Dec 21, 2007 3:05 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Anyone have any experience playing electric looped guitar through something like the > Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and Keyboard Amp > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=480782 > > I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp simulators and such through a mixer and headphones. > I have been thinking of trying one of these for jamming out, lots of power and a clear clean sound with no bs channel switching > like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and price do matter. Anyone? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 21 23:57:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F33C3BEC1; Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ROOLCjVc2WZbYMCeClvy/OzblqHoGEyVpYkPK1o7CPqjIo3yR4PLd5GOT7YYNKyVngMtf5MWH5zECrBN7WCHMA5QnNpkcrWhNO599kEJvYMrpQrQ+WolcaQJPHG0nn9G7bsnukKGlCOUkUtm8SakD6nC1wm/YgE5sBB9omJI7TE=; X-YMail-OSG: 2.6rRqoVM1l0JKaoJvpKFvTfnQOWDA0hX2Ij9AccgVO8qrZdzWyuHRCcqUFT9BKzJISv46kGjnTJhzb3mJAdZF3p_UbwTnqxep_cgYCphDkgpwvTRI6XyfKar9463dAipAHskqawdKLWjdQ- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:57:14 -0800 (PST) From: murkie Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <910589.37502.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 23:57:16 +0000 (UTC) I was contemplating the same thing. Now I'm considering just buying a pair of powered speakers. m.c. --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > I've been using a Roland KC-300 for several years > for that. > > On Dec 21, 2007 3:05 PM, Jeff Duke > wrote: > > > > > > Anyone have any experience playing electric looped > guitar through something like the > > Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and > Keyboard Amp > > > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=480782 > > > > I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp > simulators and such through a mixer and headphones. > > I have been thinking of trying one of these for > jamming out, lots of power and a clear clean sound > with no bs channel switching > > like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and > price do matter. Anyone? > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 00:08:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D4C153BEB9; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476C55F3.3090305@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:10:27 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> <476C3B87.8000903@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476C3B87.8000903@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:08:10 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > :-) Lexicon just gave me the link for download > > So, hopefully psu info, > and a way round the encoder problem some time in 2008 Been working on it on/off for some time, just didn't feel like pushing out [quite a few] half ideas. I believe I have a solution (on paper) which should work with a dedicated pedal over a two-wire serial connection, while also allow interfacing with a midi to jack on/off switcher, like my Sholtz Rockman Octopussy or a Rocktron switchbay. I'll be fairly busy from mid january (Cisco examns), so don't expect instant miracles.. The encoder isn't really that much a problem. For my uses, it's more avoiding a multiwire cable, and be able to interface to a standard midi switcher, as I need to use some presets with the rest of my setup. Else I see myself using it more as a manually selected effects box. A build-in midi ifc is a doable, but more complex design. But really, if used mostly manually, it makes less sense, as a floor controller with stomp action CC buttons would be needed. I need the same with my ADA Pitchraq (pitch transposer). 4 pitches and 4-5 Vortex effects would take an extra controller. Price'n'floor space.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 00:22:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 376C13BEC2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <50197.7457.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <50197.7457.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:22:23 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, No, it has been recorded with 2 EDPs. One for the drums (and normally other things that are acoustic and/or use mics) and the other records all the other stuff like keys, bass, guitar... I just recorded the individual outputs to make a better mix. Guitar goes through a Memory Man, a Full Tone and then through a PodPro. The mixer is a Mackie Onyx 1620. A couple of days ago I made Xavier from Gordius a list of my live- setup so we could talk more easy since I now are a proud owner of the Little Giant Footpedal. I thought it would make sense to copy/paste that for you so you get an idea of Cheers, Reyn www.reyn.net - Ableton Live v7.0.1 (not used in the video) - Clavia Nord Stage 76 (on the video a real Rhodes 54) - Elektron MachineDrum (not used in the video) - Roland PCM Midi keyboard for the S5000 - Gordius Little Giant MIDI footpedal (not used in the video) - Slingerland Drumsset - Fender Precision - Gibson Les Paul Rack: - Mackie Onyx 1620 - Akai S5000 - Lexicon MPX-1 (aux 3) - Line 6 Delay (aux 4) - Line 6 PodPro - Line 6 BassPodPro - Gibson Echoplex Pro 1 (aux 1) - Gibson Echoplex Pro 2 (aux 2) - Yamaha REV-500 (verb to make the output of the 2nd Echoplex (mostly drums) more broad instead of mono) - Alesis D4 (for triggering the EDP) - Roland A-880 MIDI Patchbay On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:41 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hey Reyn, > so this particular tune wasnt recorded with the EDP > right? if i understand correctly your are taking all > separate outputs of the mixer into your soundcard > inputs and looping is being done with software onm > different tracks??just curious,is your guitar going > through a multiefector?what mixer is that? > cheers man > Luis >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ > newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 00:50:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB6973BEB2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.24,197,1196658000"; d="scan'208";a="154206208" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAAbua0dKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBV2I2jB2bBA Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:50:35 -0600 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? In-reply-to: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pu8kefTGamgUjtqVi7tCFA)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:50:36 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_pu8kefTGamgUjtqVi7tCFA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I built called the Fenderizer: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer.html Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in case you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because the bar was so tiny. For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things sound pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal. Hope this helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_pu8kefTGamgUjtqVi7tCFA) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I built called the Fenderizer:
 
 
Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in case you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because the bar was so tiny.
 
For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things sound pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Mark Smart
--Boundary_(ID_pu8kefTGamgUjtqVi7tCFA)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 04:53:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 661103BEB8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:53:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R9ShUf4UTlPi3JX40vm6VYmyKGyExAi5FJMh0gsCNGIRuz7x9+uM6VRAIgREPPPXvRZWItBVmnqdaZjbLoHmpeq7+a/EORkhSbdHg74XG730V4E3Mup2A79tfkP7qmTNwEKd46Nk+ygWn7LbfsJLAdcuJrZJ5fHTcXfYWmIFDFQ=; X-YMail-OSG: CGLZFuEVM1lUoRrnfG0x_lUp5dJOSIPUGEQeNkylPJeOusgqD_QJKDUnJj8XPhbNzH_I.KinnCuMflUiJ377Z9xzoczbk5v96sJDj.Zoh6Yt9qD6UAL3Ew8LWLUi_A-- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <911720.61651.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:53:19 +0000 (UTC) The best tone I have experienced was through a medium sized Roland Keyboard amp too!!! I now go through Ultrasound Amplifiers and am quite pleased. Happy Christmas Merry New Year 2 come :o) Daniel T. Albertini www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn --- Jeff Duke wrote: > Anyone have any experience playing electric looped guitar through something like the > Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and Keyboard Amp > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=480782 > > I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp simulators and such through a mixer and > headphones. > I have been thinking of trying one of these for jamming out, lots of power and a clear clean > sound with no bs channel switching > like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and price do matter. Anyone? > > happy holidays, > Jeff > > http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 04:55:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47BB53BEAF; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Bwyh7Giut0aGe9+tW7ePTztaLWrEUi1j4Zn28r2DNyh3MrrBjZe7eciuOgTVFfzW4jDxXu5G56qc1xVU0foijxFd/RiBqzc8UgK+u4L4E7TE0esa5rp0lVcY1wtXeQUD/BfLVcUtaUfbPaX40axdj6WOx5UrdXe28TwV1PBrg18=; X-YMail-OSG: Po9Tq6gVM1mP_jxedVxc9c9OsA3LO9IJFmSzoXtUTvDdDYcSeFUENMFdc8FUZD1N.27_c.FjC7AoqEqZqRiebWq.xA-- Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <476C4C60.3000808@post.cybercity.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <736693.83789.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! thanks for smiling upon me! :D --- van Sinn wrote: > Dan wrote: > > Yeah I definitely wish you all the best possible, I just wanted to try to encourage in a > > constructive manner to keep "mental pain" down to the minimum. I have experienced this time > and > > time again myself and have really beat myself to a pulp over piddly things that seemed > > insurmountable at the time. > > Ha ha but seriously folks, its no secret that one of my secrets I recommend to stay calm is > > chamomile tea sweetened with local honey and very tiny amounts of valerian root if Im really > > tearing myself a new one over something. Lots of good mercury free fish like salmon and > rainbow > > trout from trusted sources. And to keep my fingers and bodyjoints, ligaments and muscles > spasm > > and cramp free I drink mangosteen, white/green tea and pineapple/papaya "Organic" juices. > Then > > when Im calm and life is well and good feeling again I pray, meditate and practice/record > looping > > guitar instrumentals followed with a nice walk or tai-chi/yoga. I do not practice or build > > guitars when I am frustrated very often anyway, forms bad neural connections which leads to > bad > > memory of remembering what was composed in that state of mind. :o) > > Happiest Christmas Celebration Blessings to usher in a > > wonderful joy filled new year to all my Super Loopty Doopter Friends > > > Oh man, that was deep. And so true. > Allow me to summarize with the Indian filosophy that "All is in all". > > > And a Merry Christmas to you and all in here too ;) > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 09:17:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B48633BEC1; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:17:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:16:07 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen To The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <476CD5D7.3030700@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:17:29 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, December 22 at 6:00 am EST/GMT-5 in just under two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with the last issue so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Check out Afterglow on MySpace at: http://myspace.com/afterglowonwmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 09:54:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 893883BEB9; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=TY-btpfdAAAA:8 a=oZgxOtNkLfqV_lOEfB0A:9 a=evGgD_OSwCKEjrvTHZQA:7 a=kkZLSA-ArGBTwZztHTcYCzM61csA:4 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002101c84480$aa8fe9c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <910589.37502.qm@web54009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 04:54:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 09:54:32 +0000 (UTC) I used to play trhough a pair of JBL Eons and they were great but bulky and too expensive for me at present. They did sound good though. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "murkie" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? >I was contemplating the same thing. Now I'm > considering just buying a pair of powered speakers. > > m.c. > > --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > >> I've been using a Roland KC-300 for several years >> for that. >> >> On Dec 21, 2007 3:05 PM, Jeff Duke >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Anyone have any experience playing electric looped >> guitar through something like the >> > Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and >> Keyboard Amp >> > >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=480782 >> > >> > I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp >> simulators and such through a mixer and headphones. >> > I have been thinking of trying one of these for >> jamming out, lots of power and a clear clean sound >> with no bs channel switching >> > like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and >> price do matter. Anyone? >> > >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: > 12/20/2007 2:14 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 10:10:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16F003BEB9; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ePC-paLKAAAA:8 a=DguS3ozJyvBJozvEfy4A:9 a=3_PJjbgvZzR8MrAUXswA:7 a=Pv2LxupPEPmMSEPq4AlIp_EY-M4A:4 a=TPDArUm_w_0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=CxXFenw4OX6fOdAAPkwA:9 a=CLxJoZUGHXFkJiM3GGMA:7 a=nJvh1VZELmJTYpADTchv_lTFbJEA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002e01c84482$f41ce230$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:11:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84459.0AD6B340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: <5Bytp.A.FLC.uKObHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:10:54 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84459.0AD6B340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mark, Right now I am using a digitech RP 250, the Twin model for = clean and the boogie for crunch, for over the top I add the Rat or PI = fuzz box models. I don't care for multi fx boxes but it sounds ok for = now. I am desperatly trying to keep my pedalboard small,leesismore = right. sheesh. I have built a few things and I like your tones so i'll = keep the schematic. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 7:50 PM Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops = don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I = built called the Fenderizer: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer.html Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in case = you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a = SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I = didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the = H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to = run direct because the bar was so tiny. For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box after = my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things sound = pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a = higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal. Hope this helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.5/1191 - Release Date: = 12/20/2007 2:14 PM ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C84459.0AD6B340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Mark, Right  now I am using = a digitech=20 RP 250, the Twin model for clean and the boogie for crunch, for over the = top I=20 add the Rat or PI fuzz box models. I don't care for multi fx boxes but = it sounds=20 ok for now. I am desperatly trying to keep my pedalboard = small,leesismore right.=20 sheesh. I have built a few things and I like your tones so i'll keep the = schematic.
Jeff
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I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops = don't=20 sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I built = called=20 the Fenderizer:
 
htt= p://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer.html
 
Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in = case you=20 are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a SansAmp = classic=20 with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I didn't like = the clean=20 sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and = have=20 used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because = the bar=20 was so tiny.
 
For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red = Box=20 after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things = sound=20 pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a=20 higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Mark Smart

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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:16:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Hey Dan, You play electric through the Ultrasounds? BTW, I liked your myspace stuff, lots of middle eastern mode stuff. Also, thanks for the Djivan Gasparyan, I had to hit Amazon for more... Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? > The best tone I have experienced was through a medium sized Roland > Keyboard amp too!!! I now go > through Ultrasound Amplifiers and am quite pleased. Happy Christmas Merry > New Year 2 come :o) > Daniel T. Albertini > www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks > www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects > www.myspace.com/wwwmyspacecomeagledawn > > --- Jeff Duke wrote: > >> Anyone have any experience playing electric looped guitar through >> something like the >> Behringer ULTRATONE K1800FX 180W PA System and Keyboard Amp >> > http://www.musiciansfriend.com/product/Behringer-K1800FX-180Watt-4Channel-PA-System-and-Keyboard-Amp?sku=480782 >> >> I have been playing sans amp for awhile using amp simulators and such >> through a mixer and >> headphones. >> I have been thinking of trying one of these for jamming out, lots of >> power and a clear clean >> sound with no bs channel switching >> like on comparably priced guitar amps. Size and price do matter. Anyone? >> >> happy holidays, >> Jeff >> >> http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.6/1192 - Release Date: > 12/21/2007 1:17 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 10:24:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FCBB3BEB6; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U-vcsOwIkkqFf-aYyasA:9 a=mgpXdLnX-m7if-IADe_Vj8GnVQQA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=cvn8laQl214A:10 a=JqzK7hVu6n4A:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <003f01c84484$ebadb1e0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <007401c84425$f1448f20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:25:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:24:59 +0000 (UTC) It makes sense I don't know why I didn't think of it before,interfaceing looping devices with guitar amps is tricky even if they have some form of effects loop. Good to hear from ya Travis, I remember you from 97 when I first came online. You still play great. I dig Electrochakra and all your tunes. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? > I've been using a Roland KC-300 for several years for that. > > On Dec 21, 2007 3:05 PM, Jeff Duke wrote: >> >> >> Anyone have any experience playing electric looped guitar through >> something like the From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 11:35:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 86E863BEB6; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 642285040/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.201.111 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.201.111 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAPaEbEdPSslv/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnCYIk Message-ID: <476CF682.4070500@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:35:30 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> <476C3B87.8000903@tiscali.co.uk> <476C55F3.3090305@post.cybercity.dk> In-Reply-To: <476C55F3.3090305@post.cybercity.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <75fT7D.A.F9E.8ZPbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Wow, well that's not what I meant at all, but it's great news. Do let me know when you have something viable, and if you like I can publicize it on the Vortex site. A vortex with a second expression pedal would also be nice ;-) The "encoder problem" that I mentioned is rather more basic. The rotary encoders on the Vortex (and Jamman etc) are prone to failure, but exact replacements are not (afaik) available. ( Bob Sellon, the Jamman guy, has the same problem). andy butler van Sinn wrote: > andy butler wrote: >> :-) Lexicon just gave me the link for download >> >> So, hopefully psu info, >> and a way round the encoder problem some time in 2008 > > Been working on it on/off for some time, just didn't feel like pushing > out [quite a few] half ideas. I believe I have a solution (on paper) > which should work with a dedicated pedal over a two-wire serial > connection, while also allow interfacing with a midi to jack on/off > switcher, like my Sholtz Rockman Octopussy or a Rocktron switchbay. > I'll be fairly busy from mid january (Cisco examns), so don't expect > instant miracles.. > > The encoder isn't really that much a problem. For my uses, it's more > avoiding a multiwire cable, and be able to interface to a standard midi > switcher, as I need to use some presets with the rest of my setup. > Else I see myself using it more as a manually selected effects box. > > A build-in midi ifc is a doable, but more complex design. > But really, if used mostly manually, it makes less sense, as a floor > controller with stomp action CC buttons would be needed. > > I need the same with my ADA Pitchraq (pitch transposer). 4 pitches and > 4-5 Vortex effects would take an extra controller. Price'n'floor space.. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 11:50:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88E053BEA6; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xmLKx9i+VmiP9rQTPV0omfCiBdFiGSb01iaolAVD2MT/tUNxEeKsp4++7qkdZsus7VA0QZu6CLF1OhGdxrROu2FszVErCDF42cYTMU3Dccb0CwhTDBeWPpDglCyU9z2PSZfywHy8hKGlTN6EvahY/ATD18eqUtEnALSPLZzSgbU=; X-YMail-OSG: pi8Ek2QVM1myI0CuOM76ctaiiI3eAhAUj53T7tbccF11NnSeZxNZfUCEUM_p6510M95h_TO1qaFc4YySDAvU3be2CF1pfZb5MnE5wpd13FYoolgpNytxDUw43K0rnA-- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:50:54 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: First posting... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <253130.35640.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3TeNzD.A.glF.goPbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 11:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Reyn! I was intrigged because the fidelity is really good in the video,which i couldnt imagined coming out of the EDP alone!looks like they managed in the video to stay synced though;-) is the alesis D4 then for triggering the edp functions manually?no foot controller? I just sold my old mackie cfx1202 and also looking for the perfect mixer for live and studio 16 channels at least,looks like the onyx would be a good candidate,too bad no integrated FX,i just want to minimize carrying rack efx,etc.u understand. Let me know how the gordius is going for you i am contemplating it until i can afford to buy one! Luis --- Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > Hey Luis, > > No, it has been recorded with 2 EDPs. One for the > drums (and normally > other things that are acoustic and/or use mics) and > the other records > all the other stuff like keys, bass, guitar... I > just recorded the > individual outputs to make a better mix. > > Guitar goes through a Memory Man, a Full Tone and > then through a > PodPro. The mixer is a Mackie Onyx 1620. > > A couple of days ago I made Xavier from Gordius a > list of my live- > setup so we could talk more easy since I now are a > proud owner of the > Little Giant Footpedal. I thought it would make > sense to copy/paste > that for you so you get an idea of > > Cheers, > > Reyn > > www.reyn.net > > - Ableton Live v7.0.1 (not used in the video) > - Clavia Nord Stage 76 (on the video a real Rhodes > 54) > - Elektron MachineDrum (not used in the video) > - Roland PCM Midi keyboard for the S5000 > - Gordius Little Giant MIDI footpedal (not used in > the video) > - Slingerland Drumsset > - Fender Precision > - Gibson Les Paul > > Rack: > - Mackie Onyx 1620 > - Akai S5000 > - Lexicon MPX-1 (aux 3) > - Line 6 Delay (aux 4) > - Line 6 PodPro > - Line 6 BassPodPro > - Gibson Echoplex Pro 1 (aux 1) > - Gibson Echoplex Pro 2 (aux 2) > - Yamaha REV-500 (verb to make the output of the > 2nd Echoplex > (mostly drums) more broad instead of mono) > - Alesis D4 (for triggering the EDP) > - Roland A-880 MIDI Patchbay > > > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:41 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hey Reyn, > > so this particular tune wasnt recorded with the > EDP > > right? if i understand correctly your are taking > all > > separate outputs of the mixer into your soundcard > > inputs and looping is being done with software onm > > different tracks??just curious,is your guitar > going > > through a multiefector?what mixer is that? > > cheers man > > Luis > >> > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ > > newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 12:47:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F21003BEB8; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <253130.35640.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <253130.35640.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2EB93B71-B825-4DD5-872B-DF42E236AF63@reyn.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Reyn Ouwehand Subject: Re: First posting... Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:47:46 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 12:47:50 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 22, 2007, at 12:50 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > I was intrigged because the fidelity is really good in > the video,which i couldnt imagined coming out of the > EDP alone!looks like they managed in the video to stay > synced though;-) That's because I recorded the output of the EDP. I did the editing on Final Cut Pro. In fact to keep all the different camera's in sync with the music was more the problem... > is the alesis D4 then for triggering the edp functions > manually?no foot controller? Both, I have a YAMAHA TP-65 Drum pad on my hi-hat stand that the Alesis D4 converts to midi. And that triggers just the Record of the 2nd (drum) Echoplex. And next to the drums I have a BOSS FS-6 swith (Record/Overdub) to reset the Echoplex or do some extra overdubs. > I just sold my old mackie cfx1202 and also looking for > the perfect mixer for live and studio 16 channels at > least,looks like the onyx would be a good > candidate,too bad no integrated FX,i just want to > minimize carrying rack efx,etc.u understand. I'm very happy with my Mackie console... I used the build in FireWire output to record everything. > Let me know how the gordius is going for you i am > contemplating it until i can afford to buy one! So far I'm very happy! I only have Macs so the programming by hand with just one wheel was a bit of a hassle, but the possibilities are enormous. In the end it will make my life so much easier! Best buy of the year regarding my live set-up. Cheers, Reyn. > --- Reyn Ouwehand wrote: > >> Hey Luis, >> >> No, it has been recorded with 2 EDPs. One for the >> drums (and normally >> other things that are acoustic and/or use mics) and >> the other records >> all the other stuff like keys, bass, guitar... I >> just recorded the >> individual outputs to make a better mix. >> >> Guitar goes through a Memory Man, a Full Tone and >> then through a >> PodPro. The mixer is a Mackie Onyx 1620. >> >> A couple of days ago I made Xavier from Gordius a >> list of my live- >> setup so we could talk more easy since I now are a >> proud owner of the >> Little Giant Footpedal. I thought it would make >> sense to copy/paste >> that for you so you get an idea of >> >> Cheers, >> >> Reyn >> >> www.reyn.net >> >> - Ableton Live v7.0.1 (not used in the video) >> - Clavia Nord Stage 76 (on the video a real Rhodes >> 54) >> - Elektron MachineDrum (not used in the video) >> - Roland PCM Midi keyboard for the S5000 >> - Gordius Little Giant MIDI footpedal (not used in >> the video) >> - Slingerland Drumsset >> - Fender Precision >> - Gibson Les Paul >> >> Rack: >> - Mackie Onyx 1620 >> - Akai S5000 >> - Lexicon MPX-1 (aux 3) >> - Line 6 Delay (aux 4) >> - Line 6 PodPro >> - Line 6 BassPodPro >> - Gibson Echoplex Pro 1 (aux 1) >> - Gibson Echoplex Pro 2 (aux 2) >> - Yamaha REV-500 (verb to make the output of the >> 2nd Echoplex >> (mostly drums) more broad instead of mono) >> - Alesis D4 (for triggering the EDP) >> - Roland A-880 MIDI Patchbay >> >> >> >> On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:41 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> Hey Reyn, >>> so this particular tune wasnt recorded with the >> EDP >>> right? if i understand correctly your are taking >> all >>> separate outputs of the mixer into your soundcard >>> inputs and looping is being done with software onm >>> different tracks??just curious,is your guitar >> going >>> through a multiefector?what mixer is that? >>> cheers man >>> Luis >>>> >>> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> >>> ______________ >>> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >>> Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ >>> newsearch/category.php?category=shopping >>> >>> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http:// > mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 14:11:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6643E3BEC1; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <476D1BA8.10909@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:14:00 +0100 From: van Sinn Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Vortex power supply - AC, but can take DC? References: <566505.12350.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <008001c843f9$0943b8d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> <476C12D9.1040402@post.cybercity.dk> <476C3B87.8000903@tiscali.co.uk> <476C55F3.3090305@post.cybercity.dk> <476CF682.4070500@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476CF682.4070500@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:11:43 +0000 (UTC) andy butler wrote: > The "encoder problem" that I mentioned is rather more basic. > The rotary encoders on the Vortex (and Jamman etc) are prone to failure, > but exact replacements are not (afaik) available. > ( Bob Sellon, the Jamman guy, has the same problem). Fortunately mine was in prime condition, not a scratch, so I don't have the problem (yet). Read about it, though. I guess replacements are difficult to get by partly because they are gray scale encoders, and also today all others use optical encoders with different shapes and nof bits (or 'contact points'). -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 15:12:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FF473BEC5; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:12:22 EST Subject: seasons greetings To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_be1.2848504d.349e8356_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:12:32 +0000 (UTC) --part1_be1.2848504d.349e8356_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit may the blessings of this CHRISTMAS season follow you throughout the NEW YEAR.....LOVE and LOOP ON!.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. 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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_be1.2848504d.349e8356_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 15:54:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 485BF3BEC2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkYpBQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Stereo video from YK7 Loopfest Santa Cruz posted (or stereo videos on the web in general) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:54:45 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c844b2$f923f590$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchCruX3VOEDWDBzToKm7fNNd8BZLgCA6zJw In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: <9pnhGC.A.6sF.kMTbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:54:13 +0000 (UTC) > Though when you encode your videos yourself to a flash movie (.fla) > with the EXACT right settings they use, it will not be altered and > stay stereo. For example that YouTube movie I send you guys is in > stereo. Thanks, Reyn! Now, is this also true for google video (or does anyone know the settings for google video)? Best, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 16:15:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11C73BEC7; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkYpBQ== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: sound quality on google video Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:16:31 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c844b6$03998af0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchEtgNzXL+6ar44SYSQlG7WscY+eg== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Following up on my recent post to Reyn, here's what I dug up: google video has to say: "http://video.google.de/support/bin/answer.py?answer=44938&query=stereo&topi c=&type=" (streaming video is 64kbps mono, download video is 128kbps stereo) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 16:54:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E55D3BEB0; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5rxhCgVwy3okzcqdOyJ3NBGToz2yGY5IY3O8Pe1r7Lx+F6b1B8I2/SIpR9+qOfeSoRrAWDg2qQl45Xi2CKj6HiY9xcnCRgjgXMWOIbklM6Tfa2gu9IMWdu8k4zRyiTWpLzvRY/ihvma7+AQQDaoU/6AUJswCTkCVAVPKn+Hvbaw=; X-YMail-OSG: Zp9m.NkVM1lry2HiSne7o_ft2Ie0YHocpeXrntDmxCVxTPQaOEFhDBpL_2NON32W3FDDFzgTCLdug12DGruqtWR_If0RTbq9AlkmfnX.no0reMRlqtMRdUvpbbEHTw-- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 08:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003301c84483$aeb19fa0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <333661.67120.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Well I thank you very much for your kind words of inspiration. Do you hear the greater good of the Universe applauding and praising God for your deeds? I do and may you be blessed with more insight and wisdom as the longtime sun shines upon you Brother! Djivan Gasparyan and his duduk bassoon/flutelike incredible huh!!! Can you believe he is that uh experienced 103??? Just wait till you hear the new material do you like the dance pulse electronica/techno stuff?!?! Hint :D Tickle one of my bellydancers (Sahlah Suhaylah) for me too to help keep her stimulated and inspired in better ways too will ya? I have a percussionist that will rock your socks off Daniel Warlop that should be joining me again soon for more recording!!! Wade Heilig played the steady as she goes drumming there he is able to change with my whims and as the Universe leads me to do so, now I also feed from him and Daniel bigtime! So we communicate pretty darn well. Thanks again, please stay in touch! Happy Christ*mas and a Merry Joyful New Year to you and yours --- Jeff Duke wrote: > Hey Dan, You play electric through the Ultrasounds? BTW, I liked your > myspace stuff, lots of middle eastern mode stuff. > Also, thanks for the Djivan Gasparyan, I had to hit Amazon for more... > > Jeff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 11:53 PM > Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? > > > > The best tone I have experienced was through a medium sized Roland > > Keyboard amp too!!! I now go > > through Ultrasound Amplifiers and am quite pleased. Happy Christmas Merry > > New Year 2 come :o) > > Daniel T. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 20:34:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EC033BEB2; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:24 UTC Message-ID: <20071222142743.b02rq5x74c0ow4og@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:27:43 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Quoting info at zoekeating : > hi loopers, > > there is a video online of my performance from the pop!tech 2007 > conference. it's free for download on itunes. track #13 in the video > podcast. > > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=3D2511258= 34 > > i'm using my new looping technique, which involves sequenced midi > triggering through ableton live and less foot tapping. > Zoe, Finally downloaded itunes... Your composition and performance is =20 excellent and was great to see and hear you on this video. I notice that you are wearing earbuds. Are you just monitoring =20 through them or do you have some cue material in them, too? One of the issues to stay in sync with the computer is to be in the =20 same place as the computer at any given time. My solution, thus far, =20 has been to record notes into a delay that, in turn, gives me tempo =20 information. Problem is, I would like to do some textures that are =20 slow without ostinato beats. I have considered mixing some cue material into my earbud so I can =20 stay synced. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 20:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10E413BECA; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071222143730.27pc75blxc4skwsw@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:37:30 -0600 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <20071222142743.b02rq5x74c0ow4og@69.89.21.76> In-Reply-To: <20071222142743.b02rq5x74c0ow4og@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:37:31 +0000 (UTC) Quoting kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com: > My solution, thus far, > has been to record notes into a delay that, in turn, gives me tempo > information. Just to clarify... I should have said that I utilize a delay to create rhythmic elements in real-time. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 22 21:16:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 513D13BECA; Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:16:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sVWTs+6tP3W2fnIDGHF9Mi4mGNEljVGeJ4k2m+D7bKs=; b=w9uh+VvlSuq6rGjzi8BntIy/z/Mwn1qvpSUAOFvPrWAGJc/FoUv0t9Ipdj6GljwR5CPAVrAwKRFWE5IPRLaTleEelLQDCG9riP9owN2JhPurdAdh6i4Nvnizn4x5hlgnxR2JOK7hIAmKqqXW7GgJt5AabuW4T2N+q5e48t38LBc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=QtI5iijaAt2mGVRJ0FU12PB4HjkuawtNOlP4830vysNEl6FM5ncsuqN0twI2yyhjyRNWZIP10rtNLtmJ8cWQ+dGwE4a9He/fXldfdCLbGolecJBU56UGuw9sHAQ+WVzeony9xOCOre6LfzFXFODXHVPDwevcyFhhlNGrO2WCxCE= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712221316m419067b0r15fd00f697e252c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 22:16:27 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: midi controlled looping video on itunes In-Reply-To: <20071222142743.b02rq5x74c0ow4og@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4553_2162548.1198358187066" References: <419348.94171.qm@web33115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20071212164035.286230@gmx.net> <446CE1CB-5855-41C3-9EF3-F6EEE29CF740@mac.com> <000301c83d16$1be7cc90$6c052052@customer3530f5> <20071214121946.104610@gmx.net> <003f01c83eb6$ed029ac0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> <6A634748-4BF8-4760-9660-B5581C42B5B4@zoekeating.com> <20071222142743.b02rq5x74c0ow4og@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:16:28 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4553_2162548.1198358187066 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On Dec 22, 2007 9:27 PM, wrote: > through them or do you have some cue material in them, too? > > One of the issues to stay in sync with the computer is to be in the > same place as the computer at any given time. My solution, thus far, > has been to record notes into a delay that, in turn, gives me tempo > information. Problem is, I would like to do some textures that are > slow without ostinato beats. > > I have considered mixing some cue material into my earbud so I can > stay synced. > > -- Kevin > I too think this is very interesting and I'm wondering how other performers handle it? So far I have been using the method of recording a shorter loop of percussive type material that I play in a way that it should not fight the coming music and chord changes too badly. I sometimes use this method with the classical multiply layering. Another approach: When I play a lead line before anything else I start with creating an empty loop just to set the tempo (in Mobius or EDP). Then I use a sound with some tempo synced effect to play through. It may be a subtle tremolo or delay, just enough to give me the tempo that will keep me arriving until the end of the empty loop at the correct time. Third method: I use tap tempo to set the tempo for Mobius + effects (if using any) and then I stick to this tempo when creating the first loop. Of course this only works with one or two bar loops and sometimes goes wrong. So maybe it's not a good method ;-) -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_4553_2162548.1198358187066 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On Dec 22, 2007 9:27 PM, <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com> wrote:
through them or do you have some cue material in them, too?

One of the issues to stay in sync with the computer is to be in the
same place as the computer at any given time.  My solution, thus far,
has been to record notes into a delay that, in turn, gives me tempo
information.  Problem is, I would like to do some textures that are
slow without ostinato beats.

I have considered mixing some cue material into my earbud so I can
stay synced.

-- Kevin


I too think this is very interesting and I'm wondering how other performers handle it? So far I have been using the method of recording a shorter loop of percussive type material that I play in a way that it should not fight the coming music and chord changes too badly. I sometimes use this method with the classical multiply layering. 

Another approach:
When I play a lead line before anything else I start with creating an empty loop just to set the tempo (in Mobius or EDP). Then I use a sound with some tempo synced effect to play through. It may be a subtle tremolo or delay, just enough to give me the tempo that will keep me arriving until the end of the empty loop at the correct time. 

Third method: 
I use tap tempo to set the tempo for Mobius + effects (if using any) and then I stick to this tempo when creating the first loop. Of course this only works with one or two bar loops and sometimes goes wrong. So maybe it's not a good method ;-)

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, Hope you can help me out here, because I'm in the middle of having a "brain cloud" on a particular setup. I'm once again thinking of putting together a little uber-portable (read: busking) Looping pedalboard, and I'm just not finding exactly what I'm looking for. I need a Looper that succeeds against only three primary criteria: *Battery-Powered* *Loop Feedback* *"First Loop" Capability* I can come up with quite a few that meet 2 out of the 3 criteria, but I'm having trouble hitting 3 for 3. It seems like we ought to have several out there, but the only one that comes to mind is the Line 6 DL-4. While I dig my DL-4 lots and lots (that's the default fallback, in fact) I'd like to be aware of other options, and it's driving me nuts not being able to come up with anything else. I've gotta be missing something here.... :P Hopefully somebody here can help dispel my pre-mature alzheimer's. TIA!!!! --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 02:02:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDBE93BEC1; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Battery-Powered Looper...? Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:02:30 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <5vJKyB.A.nyE.7GcbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Take a look at the Boss DD-20. On Dec 22, 2007, at 5:54 PM, Mech wrote: > Hey guys, > > Hope you can help me out here, because I'm in the middle of having a > "brain cloud" on a particular setup. > > I'm once again thinking of putting together a little uber-portable > (read: busking) Looping pedalboard, and I'm just not finding exactly > what I'm looking for. I need a Looper that succeeds against only > three primary criteria: > > *Battery-Powered* > *Loop Feedback* > *"First Loop" Capability* > > I can come up with quite a few that meet 2 out of the 3 criteria, but > I'm having trouble hitting 3 for 3. > > It seems like we ought to have several out there, but the only one > that comes to mind is the Line 6 DL-4. While I dig my DL-4 lots and > lots (that's the default fallback, in fact) I'd like to be aware of > other options, and it's driving me nuts not being able to come up with > anything else. I've gotta be missing something here.... :P > > Hopefully somebody here can help dispel my pre-mature alzheimer's. > TIA!!!! > > --m. > -- > _____ > "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 02:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B85CB3BECA; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 915 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:13:10 UTC Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 17:57:53 -0800 Message-Id: <200712230157.lBN1vriD004840@web3.box.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Join me on Box.net From: scottd@webworkz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Resent-Message-ID: <7sVhS.A.EJF.2QcbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 02:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Hello,

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support@box.net From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 03:29:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B423BECF; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 392 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:29:48 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=lqDw+JcKtfW6xpGs4/6pmh0fuDJ3DBuKYk2f/1j8nQ8=; b=ICGspjqL5fXpMgDth23GpQJp4q81nkoakkzPYG0wdb9LcrkmMP00l2xuOuZsDypmbuEhrtu9Nl72DB6rpB07BD9v4m5zGEMsZWF/Prh0R+dTv67X89E0w8DPDZ7RwulCvrFpgGVCLk/zd2VVqMkzrWarvsQ27lnpo9307s2hJ9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=WbJ9+DzW4AeppslOd1IjrVOPhyAu4Gnjb19lSvQxScQmdGTqQqq5OoHgJRSHPQJhj6tIE7gp7WlByVixVDsiQLKvz1m8owDI1g55LCq+bwoxVan/TiiktCgoa4lJ7d+OMYa0ent0h+/HTbGGTvxDsALm2AGeg+vPqln15qJziJg= Message-ID: <476DD495.6050904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 21:23:01 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Couple of Jamman Questions References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Dingeldein Resent-Message-ID: <4d0WhC.A.2yH.sYdbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:29:48 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, New to the list. I just purchsed a Lexicon Jamman and I have a couple of questions. First off, if I record a 8 bar loop can I layer a 16 bar loop on top of that? Or do all the loops need to be the same count. Second, I need to get another footswitch. What is available that is compatible? Thanks, Daniel Nashville, TN From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 03:43:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69763BEC2; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:43:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4UOeGTycTHJWJyZ6+UA/TFcQ3Lve8HAB2zK2ntjYfs5u3lDzIbahizYNfgIARoj624ZK7ub4PbhyD90TtAAmKIOgpHKgdjUbR1bLtjOJ0XR6y5M3EOy/akTmq9o1SDAZhvBA/Y+9hvqqTpQKOGHCnv29PAyRmWJqVRR4Fjyx0+0=; X-YMail-OSG: Ba42N6MVM1lrPJRJuuj82CzhW3ghyvp_KBlBsM8Wy99TiooRKCiiHCdIBaAChZMaxA-- Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Adrian Belew has joined the loopy party too! To: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <766262.97774.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:43:35 +0000 (UTC) In one of your tours through San Francisco I noticed you were using some equipment from Line 6. Can you tell us about your current guitar and amp set-up? – Right now I’m using a pretty interesting combination of things. In the world of amplifiers I became very reliant on the early modeling amps called Johnson Amps which were made, I believe by the company DigiTech and I wrote so much of my material with things that I discovered in those amps. Unfortunately they closed up that leg of their company. So there are no more Johnson Amps and there is no more support for them and they are very rare and here I am stuck with two of them that I use. And a lot of the material that I wrote can only really happen through those amps so I use them. When I say they can only really happen, it’s because I wrote specific sounds and types of looping and things that I just can’t seem to make other amps do. Eventually, about two years ago I went with Line 6. They are also a great modeling company and they are probably the best one in the world and naturally they are famous for all of their pedals and they put together these packages that are amazing because you can get everything in one package. And what I’m trying to do now is gradually move more to the Line 6 products. What I’ve got now is the twin Johnson Amps and a twin set of Line 6 Vetta II’s. Adrian Belew Setup Correspondence What I’m currently doing is an interesting approach. I have two pedal boards; one for the Line 6 and one for the Johnson’s. And so what I’m able to do is create a sound on one of them and add something over top of it with the other. Since most of my basic sounds were written in the Johnson’s a lot of it starts with the Johnson’s and then I kind of put the icing on the cake so to speak by introducing something new from the Line 6. So if I’m playing along with some particular sounds and I want to suddenly go to some radically different sound, I pop the Line 6 pedal board in and then I have a pretty unique sound there. To add to that I have one other thing. I’ve been using a Boomerang looping pedal and running that through a monitor amp that doesn’t do anything to change your amplifier sound it just makes it louder. Whenever I create a sound that I like or make a little loop, it will come discreetly through that amp. That way Mike and Mike can hear that discreetly and adjust the level as they want to. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 10:18:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4123BEB0; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 651449631/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.228.142 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.228.142 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HACDEbUdPSuSO/2dsb2JhbACCIgSnD4Ik Message-ID: <476E3600.30909@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:18:40 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Couple of Jamman Questions References: <476DD495.6050904@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <476DD495.6050904@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:18:28 +0000 (UTC) Daniel Dingeldein wrote: > Hi folks, > > New to the list. I just purchsed a Lexicon Jamman and I have a couple > of questions. > > First off, if I record a 8 bar loop can I layer a 16 bar loop on top of > that? Or do all the loops need to be the same count. no, all the same. ...and although you can layer as much as you like, only one loop at a time. In delay mode it's possible to redefine the loop length as you play. So you can get the "first loop capability" in delay mode if you first set up a long delay with no audio in it, then you can tap in a loop like in loop mode. Once you have a short loop running in Delay Mode, you can tap in an exact multiple of the time to get a kind of multiply function. ...but you have to be spot on with your timing, and often it clicks a bit. > > Second, I need to get another footswitch. What is available that is > compatible? Probably any non-latching switch with 2 buttons. ..and if you use a single switch, you can still get the first function of the pair. andy butler > Thanks, > Daniel > Nashville, TN > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 15:11:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 48FC63BEB0; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 367 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:11:50 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=J4IFxj9kLcVv6/h4Ms0EZi36AC0ePxiM/jZzOV3BbrI=; b=uyvfiApRwOfgPpAZ46wYFentNWtY5UEHQ5DSNL+XM03JArmw/CQqn4iRNjGep8tilc8ux0aYt2yzpdSYbPuVv0l8dyD1XRN4FCVwo2J9U4q6ZLCDq2jraLXDfdzzuwjMwX7kXqMnUZZD3md3eb23EK87tYtPU9UxT1ZraS4RjWs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; b=Fmzoyh0HfvOyX5GwXUREKp5BucD9OcG4J8qSBLl55vSKuXNm6pgs3ZbmYVDhoUexxD3MHRmQrVHlAuWmj+MY/zF0g8capSdf5PI753ojOFUMIQUZlUtXjMAFFVi7jn+tu0KXPtpUbJLhWo5q+gBjRnrL0kvF+1gm/Dv0tLkp8uE= Message-ID: <476E7934.60706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 09:05:24 -0600 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Couple of Jamman Questions References: <476DD495.6050904@gmail.com> <476E3600.30909@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <476E3600.30909@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Dingeldein Resent-Message-ID: <3AJunB.A.2IC.3qnbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info Andy. andy butler wrote: > Daniel Dingeldein wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> New to the list. I just purchsed a Lexicon Jamman and I have a >> couple of questions. >> >> First off, if I record a 8 bar loop can I layer a 16 bar loop on top >> of that? Or do all the loops need to be the same count. > > no, all the same. > ...and although you can layer as much as you like, only one loop at a > time. > > In delay mode it's possible to redefine the loop length as you play. > So you can get the "first loop capability" in delay mode if you first > set up a long delay with no audio in it, then you can tap in a loop > like in loop mode. > Once you have a short loop running in Delay Mode, you can tap in an exact > multiple of the time to get a kind of multiply function. > ...but you have to be spot on with your timing, and often it clicks a > bit. > >> >> Second, I need to get another footswitch. What is available that is >> compatible? > > Probably any non-latching switch with 2 buttons. > > ..and if you use a single switch, you can still get the first function > of the pair. > > andy butler > >> Thanks, >> Daniel >> Nashville, TN >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 15:48:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A5283BEB9; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HvgGzV+mRhIRTGh1AnIdInLu3rm6HOgo+ZRT7NFfZ5b2fHNvJskKuuLwID3ut9qJg6FayYAsrcDxKsCeGTyEed6AgocIxXaBYxGpQLedzIhW8WgDdxdW/jjyEDlfsO1XWo/keiKIxo/4ChZxNmbudWVtbCNZhB9ZOzn32KDNYMY=; X-YMail-OSG: a22t0dcVM1kzxLfFfcFWKqPvCSs_81mc2Pz7ff2FeQVoUdV4Jo0EHwAfXpZYgjtbncTRG9T.xw-- Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:48:00 -0800 (PST) From: murkie Subject: Re: Adrian Belew has joined the loopy party too! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <766262.97774.qm@web34212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <323571.57861.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 15:48:01 +0000 (UTC) He's been looping for about 30 years now. He was a big 16 second delay user back in the day. Check out "Hot Sun" on Lone Rhino (1980). One of my earliest loop influences. M From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 17:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C8323BEB6; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:01:06 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Battery-Powered Looper...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:01:13 +0000 (UTC) At 6:02 PM -0800 12/22/07, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: >Take a look at the Boss DD-20. Thanks Ted. I actually use the Boss DD-20, but=20 currently only for "delay line" looping. It'd=20 completely slipped my mind that it has one=20 algorithm with "first loop" capability too. (I=20 never end up using that one, however, because=20 it's pretty hard for me to hit the loop points,=20 IIRC). Although I think you give up the feedback=20 control with that algo, don't you? Hrm, gotta=20 check the manual.... The DD-20 may make it onto the pedalboard=20 regardless, since I've gotta find something=20 battery-powered to use in place of my favorite=20 Magicstomp chorus/delays for lush space effects.=20 Either that one or perhaps the new RE-20 Space=20 Echo re-release. Also, I've got quite a bit of "back door"=20 manipulation type stuff that I've done with the=20 DD-20 (it really is a cool little box). But I'm=20 trying to keep this board simple. With the=20 little Boss unit I'm going to be mighty tempted=20 to make things too complex and let it get out of=20 hand again, like I have with almost every other=20 setup I've put together. :P Still, it just seems like there should be more=20 simple Loopers like this out there.... Thanks again for all the help! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 17:12:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEBA23BEC7; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIGvtLiKSg== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Battery-Powered Looper...? Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:12:59 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c84587$115abd40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchFhWxM/UQd4AQqTeSCRw1AICWN/AAAT2MA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:12:25 +0000 (UTC) > Thanks Ted. I actually use the Boss DD-20, but currently > only for "delay line" looping. It'd completely slipped my > mind that it has one algorithm with "first loop" capability > too. (I never end up using that one, however, because it's > pretty hard for me to hit the loop points, IIRC). Although I > think you give up the feedback control with that algo, don't > you? Hrm, gotta check the manual.... The SOS ("looper") mode is of no use imho, however, the other delay modes do have what at least I understand as first loop capability, and it works like this: Save the delay algorithm of your choice with a delay setting of 23s. Hit "On/Off" and "Tap" at the same time to start recording the loop. Hit "Tap" to close the loop and go into overdub, or hit "tap" and "on/off" at the same time to close the loop without overdubbing. That way, you can then even do unrounded multiply using tap. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 18:15:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E02393BEB9; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:15:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:14:58 -0500 From: Scott Duncan Subject: Oops -- Re: Join me on Box.net In-reply-to: To: Loopers Delight Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1064317317 References: <200712230157.lBN1vriD004840@web3.box.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:15:11 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--1064317317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 22, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > uhm? > hi scott, > want to share something on box.net? > let me know, > raul. > > 2007/12/23, scottd@webworkz.com : > Hello, > > A box.net user ( scottd@webworkz.com) invited you to use Box.net. > Box.net lets you upload, download, and share your files from any > computer. You can register a 1GB account for free in just minutes. > To signup for your free account, use following link: > > http://www.box.net/signup/invitation/scottd@webworkz.com > Hi Raul, "Uhm?" ... is exactly right...! Afraid I'm woefully inept, well, at many things but in this case adding LD to my "Contacts" on box.net sent out this invite. I really like box.net for public sharing options, and for being free, but I should've posted the URL here, rather than have the invitation sent out. Please excuse. Of course the LD community is very forgiving & I'm happy to have been (mostly) lurking & learning from you all in the 3 or 4 months I've been on. While I have a handful of tracks in my box.net shared folder, my music has a long way to go -- I'm often unimpressed. A couple are just GarageBand arrangements. Many have GB backing & FX tracks. I still need to get used to the idea of a fearless sharing of them. The URL is below, now that I've got that figured out. Step by step.... Best wishes to you all for a happy and inspired End-0f-2007 & Holiday, and a fine New Year -- Shine On -- Scott Duncan http://www.box.net/shared/lqmglgm80c --Apple-Mail-1--1064317317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Dec 22, 2007, at 10:21 = PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

uhm?
hi scott,
want to share something on box.net?
let me know,
raul.


2007/12/23, = scottd@webworkz.com <scottd@webworkz.com>:
Hello,

A box.net = user ( = scottd@webworkz.com) invited you to use Box.net. Box.net lets you upload, = download, and share your files from any computer. You can register a 1GB = account for free in just minutes. To signup for your free account, use = following link:

http://www.box.net/signup/invitatio= n/scottd@webworkz.com


Hi = Raul,

"Uhm?"=A0= =A0... is exactly right...!

Afraid I'm woefully inept, well, at many = things but in this case adding LD to my "Contacts" on box.net sent out this invite.=A0

I really like box.net for public sharing = options, and for being free, but I should've posted the URL here, rather = than have the invitation sent out. Please excuse. Of course the LD = community is very forgiving & I'm happy to have been (mostly) = lurking & learning from you all in the 3 or 4 months I've been = on.=A0

While I have a handful of tracks in my box.net shared folder, my music has a long way to go = --=A0I'm often unimpressed. A couple are just GarageBand arrangements. = Many have GB backing & FX tracks.=A0I still need to get used to the = idea of a fearless sharing of them. The URL is below, now that I've got = that figured out. Step by step....

Best wishes to you all for = a happy and inspired End-0f-2007 & Holiday, and a fine New Year = --

Shine On = --

Scott = Duncan


= --Apple-Mail-1--1064317317-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 19:12:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0AFDF3BEC2; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000001c84587$115abd40$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <000001c84587$115abd40$1001a8c0@succubus> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 13:11:54 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: AW: Battery-Powered Looper...? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <9YvosB.A.lYC.JMrbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:12:09 +0000 (UTC) At 6:12 PM +0100 12/23/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > >The SOS ("looper") mode is of no use imho, That's what I'd remembered from having tried it after first purchasing the DD-20. Haven't touched that mode in a long time. >however, the other delay modes do >have what at least I understand as first loop capability, and it works like >this: Oh, bloody hell <*slaps forehead*>.... I've been using this thing for two years only dialing-in BPM's, because I rarely futz with the tap tempo. And here this function is staring me straight in the face. Okay, it's official: I'm stupid. Y'know it's pretty amazing, all the tricky little things you find inside this box. I don't think Boss intended this at all, but I'm certainly not complaining. Just when you thought you knew the DD-20 inside & out, here comes another little twist -- the 46-second "ping pong" hack, the external pedal "slicer" function, or even the micro-delays discussed here a couple of weeks ago. Thanks Rainer! :) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 23 19:45:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBC903BEB2; Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:45:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=VtjDT0ipEmlTRoqYibT2HxTelMIcb+qEsdo/s0nUtQpS/D56Y9aSH1jOznQsNBL4hNjZoCiuPgqJbKPVGcRhVGft0IVAwcJtQkrLWbR2WGJHMXR/096QGHQwbfnSZHmyW+aRFYoibWzjHAV/lesaGu2t/g9AVga4axaDWvRO+/M=; X-YMail-OSG: cqFPnpUVM1nXRHfeXdW9QYBG3wFSzKjUkOL8PkmII2D_0kr03lkZahrbywZiH0koII6Z4hKL79MOszPejAPmtAMvX2SHG08o7Xje_IeRxvbcpLJoB3XDJw-- Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: richard gryffin Subject: loopety loop To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1412842651-1198439137=:44313" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <126045.44313.qm@web63510.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6UbyxB.A.8kD.krrbHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:45:40 +0000 (UTC) --0-1412842651-1198439137=:44313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all and thanx for a great forum.....such interesting people, music, opinions, input and output. As a newbie yall have been a great help to me .... I am considering adding an RC20 to my setup in order to send a distinct and separate drum loop to my echoplex and i want to make reasonably sure it will do what I think it can before I buy...... my setup is for solo and would be arranged as follows 6 channel drum mixer runs L & R main out to 2 channels on 12 channel mixer main mixer has 4 aux send and returns with aux 4 being the echoplex RC20 would also connect to one of the aux send and returns both aux returns would feed a seperate channels on the main mixer the RC20 would be dedicated to drums RE the sends on the instruments would be off I use hand drums and generally set a groove then walk away from them to guitar,bass or mandolin and the phrasing capabilities of the RC20 lead me to think that I can stage rhythm changes in that groove then call them to the echoplex when I want them I dont think I will be dealing with sync issues as the sync is up to me (as with playing live with other performers) and once the rhythmic changes are set (*verse, chorus bridge) i think i can feed them to to the echoplex using multiple loops for the different sections. with both loopers set to quantize will this allow me to tap dance across the pedals to accomplish what i want? Also I dont clearly understand the RC20 footswitch....the way I understand.... it uses the boss AB F6 ....do you use an insert cable? and then how does it control the phrasing? which mode do you use it in (latching or momentary)? Running thru the aux sends and returns it seems possible that if overdub is on at the echoplex and i insert a new phrase on the RC20 it would track directly to the echoplex and become part of that loop.... I am thinking the possibilities with this kind of setup could allow a lot of versatility. I also have a DL4 I use for my guitars and have looped the loop with it. Not thru the aux sends and return tho but that is what got me to thinking of this scenario. So .....tell me about your RC20's .....and if you think im just chasing a complication that will drive me insane...... Richard Firehawks firehawks --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. 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Hello all and thanx for a great forum.....such interesting people, music, opinions, input and output. As a newbie yall have been a great help to me ....
I am considering adding an RC20 to my setup in order to send a distinct and separate drum loop to my echoplex and i want to make reasonably sure it will do what I think it can before I buy......
my setup is for solo and would be arranged as follows
6 channel drum mixer runs L & R main out to 2 channels on 12 channel mixer
main mixer has 4 aux send and returns with aux 4 being the echoplex
RC20 would also connect to one of the aux send and returns
both aux returns would feed a seperate channels on the main mixer
the RC20 would be dedicated to drums RE the sends on the instruments would be off
 
I use hand drums and generally set a groove then walk away from them to guitar,bass or mandolin and the phrasing capabilities of the RC20 lead me to think that I can stage rhythm changes in that groove then call them to the echoplex when I want them
I dont think I will be dealing with sync issues as the sync is up to me (as with playing live with other performers) and once the rhythmic changes are set (*verse, chorus bridge) i think i can feed them to to the echoplex using multiple loops for the different sections.
with both loopers set to quantize will this allow me to tap dance across the pedals
to accomplish what i want?
 
Also I dont clearly understand the RC20 footswitch....the way I understand.... it uses the boss AB  F6 ....do you use an insert cable? and then how does it control the phrasing? which mode do you use it in (latching or momentary)?
 
Running thru the aux sends and returns it seems possible that if overdub is on at the echoplex and i insert a new phrase on the RC20 it would track directly to the echoplex and become part of that loop....
 
I am thinking the possibilities with this kind of setup could allow a lot of versatility.  I also have a DL4 I use for my guitars and have looped the loop with it.  Not thru the aux sends and return tho but that is what got me to thinking of this scenario.
 
So .....tell me about your RC20's .....and if you think im just chasing a complication that will drive me insane......
 
Richard Firehawks
 


firehawks

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Forget all the stress for two min and feast your eyes on these. ;-) http://merrychristmasdude.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 10:01:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A12F53BECA; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:01:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Fahf5EnBUcLCX7FkLKovJlY8aLr/0IzpMRNwmGoKLGxbLFk26fW2tPB7PWKvB5kywqCUuMZ1FJHDHlXcfpWBxO4Kz5Kocr4YeT80ETkwaHwq3E0CPf71NWXgui6fP5XlPq0+ruhHwnDeIyTo1056KVYRskqLDoQ+7j/dzE0qEic=; X-YMail-OSG: et2iDMEVM1nmyHDfAdotrWkkX7xO7ZMEx0H2V.ziYJ6H0jPy72isyfx86HBBOJVHmoJEuuF7E36HMmwIR6qEvQ3CvmgA0QBaNrkCHtUKaD2f9PHTlpM- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:01:46 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: merry X-mas To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <191541.25206.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:01:48 +0000 (UTC) happy and loopy X-mas to all of you gang! best wishes, Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 10:05:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 963D93BEB8; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=g4dNx6pIfhiRAsVO0oDFT7BF2p4LZhTiAaqKJCsKsMvOExlCWCg0tGjdxHOrQVIo2xTQyvAynh5lza+7+wt3qOPJPwVev1u+rFhlf4eYBLWB2/7klWnjxaPNTKKf6VLUkh8ns+iV8x5Ee17AgLxcxBl0tpTnyKnrDRs+aNO9MBI=; X-YMail-OSG: yCiLA5cVM1l_eaaqeBn_x24ljebrfwlfnffpKUemuriuW7m8xXUyezsSEUsXsNkiheuNgVc8YKNofFw2ewSiRUQ29C23sWeqgItVb2aH0KVLyvrp8o4- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:05:12 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-143518716-1198490712=:39753" Message-ID: <157707.39753.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 10:05:14 +0000 (UTC) --0-143518716-1198490712=:39753 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Too bad they dont seem to make it anymore,Is there a tube pedal version of it? www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ----- Original Message ---- From: "mwsmart@insightbb.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:50:35 AM Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I built called the Fenderizer: http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer.html Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in case you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because the bar was so tiny. For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things sound pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal. Hope this helps. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --0-143518716-1198490712=:39753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Too bad they dont seem to make it anymore,Is there a tube pedal version of it?
 
www.myspace.com/luisangulocom


----- Original Message ----
From: "mwsmart@insightbb.com" <mwsmart@insightbb.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:50:35 AM
Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps?

I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum loops don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use a pedal I built called the Fenderizer:
 
 
Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in case you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I got a SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same purpose. But I didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non-looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because the bar was so tiny.
 
For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those things sound pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are passive and require a higher-level signal going into them than just a guitar signal.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Mark Smart


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In-reply-to: <157707.39753.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_mQ6CEfxvZfxDUSZ0y+lFQg)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <157707.39753.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0pSypC.A.h7G.mu8bHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:09:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_mQ6CEfxvZfxDUSZ0y+lFQg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline I'm not sure which thing you're asking about here. But, FYI...the Tubeman basically has a Red Box built into it. If you use the "To Mixer" output, then the signal is going through the Red Box circuit. If you use the "To Guitar Amp" output, it's not. I've always used the "To Mixer" output. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" Date: Monday, December 24, 2007 5:05 Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Too bad they dont seem to make it anymore,Is there a tube pedal > version of it? > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "mwsmart@insightbb.com" > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:50:35 AM > Subject: Re: Looping through keyboard amps? > > > I always use a PA for looping performances because the drum > loops don't sound good otherwise. For guitar amp emulation I use > a pedal I built called the Fenderizer: > > > > http://www.marksmart.net/gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer.html > > > > Dunno if you are into building stuff, the schematic is posted in > case you are. I think it sounds nice. Before I made this pedal I > got a SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same > purpose. But I didn't like the clean sound I got with it. I like > the clean sound of the H&K Tubeman and have used that at (non- > looping) gigs where I wanted to run direct because the bar was > so tiny. > > > > For the prog-rock band I used to play in, I used a H & K Red Box > after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker. Those > things sound pretty good, too. The newer ones, however, are > passive and require a higher-level signal going into them than > just a guitar signal. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Mark Smart > > http://www.marksmart.net > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --Boundary_(ID_mQ6CEfxvZfxDUSZ0y+lFQg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline I=27m not sure which thing you=27re asking about here=2E But=2C FYI=2E=2E= =2Ethe Tubeman basically has a Red Box built into it=2E If you use the =22To Mixer=22 output=2C then the signal is going through the Red Box circuit=2E= If you use the =22To Guitar Amp=22 output=2C it=27s not=2E I=27ve always us= ed the =22To Mixer=22 output=2E=3Cbr=3E =3Cbr=3E Mark Smart=3Cbr=3E http=3A//www=2Emarksmart=2Enet=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E----- Original Message ---= --=3Cbr=3EFrom=3A =22L=2EA=2E Angulo=22 =26lt=3Blabaloops=40yahoo=2Ecom=26= gt=3B=3Cbr=3EDate=3A Monday=2C December 24=2C 2007 5=3A05=3Cbr=3ESubject= =3A Re=3A Looping through keyboard amps=3F=3Cbr=3ETo=3A Loopers-Delight=40= loopers-delight=2Ecom=3Cbr=3E=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B Too bad they dont seem to = make it anymore=2CIs there a tube pedal =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B version of it=3F= =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B www=2Emyspace=2Ecom/luisangu= locom=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B ----- Original Message ----=3Cbr=3E= =26gt=3B From=3A =22mwsmart=40insightbb=2Ecom=22 =26lt=3Bmwsmart=40insig= htbb=2Ecom=26gt=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B To=3A Loopers-Delight=40loopers-delig= ht=2Ecom=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B Sent=3A Saturday=2C December 22=2C 2007 1=3A50=3A= 35 AM=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B Subject=3A Re=3A Looping through keyboard amps=3F=3C= br=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B I always use a PA for lo= oping performances because the drum =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B loops don=27t sound= good otherwise=2E For guitar amp emulation I use =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B a ped= al I built called the Fenderizer=3A=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26= nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B http=3A//www=2Emarksmart=2Enet/= gearhack/fenderizer/fenderizer=2Ehtml=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26= nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B Dunno if you are into building = stuff=2C the schematic is posted in =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B case you are=2E I t= hink it sounds nice=2E Before I made this pedal I =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B got a= SansAmp classic with the thought of using it for the same =3Cbr=3E=26gt= =3B purpose=2E But I didn=27t like the clean sound I got with it=2E I li= ke =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B the clean sound of the H=26amp=3BK Tubeman and have = used that at (non-=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B looping) gigs where I wanted to run d= irect because the bar was =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B so tiny=2E=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3C= br=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B For the prog-r= ock band I used to play in=2C I used a H =26amp=3B K Red Box =3Cbr=3E=26= gt=3B after my Roland GP-16 effects unit to emulate a speaker=2E Those =3C= br=3E=26gt=3B things sound pretty good=2C too=2E The newer ones=2C howev= er=2C are =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B passive and require a higher-level signal goi= ng into them than =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B just a guitar signal=2E=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B= =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B Hope this = helps=2E=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =26nbsp=3B=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3C= br=3E=26gt=3B Mark Smart=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B http=3A//www=2E= marksmart=2Enet=3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E= =26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B =3Cbr=3E=26g= t=3B =26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B=26nbsp=3B =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5FNever miss a thing=2E=26nbsp=3B Make Yahoo your home page=2E =3Cbr=3E=26gt=3B = http=3A//www=2Eyahoo=2Ecom/r/hs --Boundary_(ID_mQ6CEfxvZfxDUSZ0y+lFQg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 18:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 328B63BED0; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <5312773B-CD3A-42A3-9D57-302E517B0F83@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Sewell Subject: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:03:11 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:03:16 +0000 (UTC) what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone try this mic? Any better all in one's out there? Thanks C From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 24 18:15:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07FB53BED0; Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=tpQ1FZ0/RYffDKZSQC7d28uuWACdBWWEY1slrT13nRo=; b=hsJ9eoceLAOQAiXbXlFwzqXBF95XoHxKfuFG67Nhj8vuYj0yoAt85Qu/5B4KAA+3bfiBWpruX+LIIa9eStW35p81K58Cct+XtPAfyFfGefPfm7pnzsSg1TNGTIixIPTR52p9ta61BFnu/U/xx4sRGbb9DLK2AZKR2s9mV2wncU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=wMXiICijSFk7/jlWfGB1SixPXcQsj+emGat/01Zk1Zpj7II+ii7CUOxqEV9Xj23mffqmtyXBsDqR932NU4Qjp1syqJZhlyOXOL7VFGwoGtrCpUw80EfpWnU0o5/ZxRrsP0R8fPsgm1vRyr/eUHBVRUbiaa1Qsnp2RiPYQ/l1FQk= Message-ID: <4759e5740712241015n68a32f9of72cd072d7a8fd2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 13:15:32 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... In-Reply-To: <5312773B-CD3A-42A3-9D57-302E517B0F83@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6885_19619110.1198520132749" References: <5312773B-CD3A-42A3-9D57-302E517B0F83@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:15:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6885_19619110.1198520132749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline which Sputnik Chris? On 12/24/07, Chris Sewell wrote: > > what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone > try this mic? Any better all in one's out there? > Thanks > C > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_6885_19619110.1198520132749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline which Sputnik Chris?

On 12/24/07, Chris Sewell <lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone
try this mic? Any better all in one's out there?
Thanks
C




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------=_Part_6885_19619110.1198520132749-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 00:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06C123BEC2; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b1d6e3e6-9208-4562-8305-1ba16251edfa_" X-Originating-IP: [77.86.2.107] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: happy christmas Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:52:29 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <191541.25206.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <191541.25206.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2007 00:52:29.0405 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CC390D0:01C84690] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 00:52:30 +0000 (UTC) --_b1d6e3e6-9208-4562-8305-1ba16251edfa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not sure how world timezines work, but its christmas in the UK and I just w= anted to wish everone on this list and the very best. =20 may all your family be close to you and all your looping equipment lists be= fulfilled. =20 hehe =20 phill myonemandband x > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:01:46 -0800> From: labaloops@yahoo.com> Subject= : merry X-mas> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > happy and loopy X= -mas to all of you gang!> best wishes,> Luis> > www.myspace.com/luisanguloc= om> > > ___________________________________________________________________= _________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Ya= hoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=3DAhu06i62sR8HDtDypa= o8Wcj9tAcJ >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Fancy some celeb spotting?=20 https://www.celebmashup.com= --_b1d6e3e6-9208-4562-8305-1ba16251edfa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not sure how world timezines work, but its christmas in the UK and I ju= st wanted to wish everone on this list and the very best.
 
may all your family be close to you and all your looping equipment lists be= fulfilled.
 
hehe
 
phill myonemandband
x

> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 02:01:46 -0800
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> Subject: merry X-mas
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>
> happy and loopy X-mas to all of you gang!
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Every= thing in one place. All new Windows Live! = --_b1d6e3e6-9208-4562-8305-1ba16251edfa_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 02:26:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45CA03BED6; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=VFLChS/rwHMCzqhpqVRnVDVQq0o9yWbxNACcZHLIdfw=; b=f0LeouhYTJHl5VXIeqf8jDWbkEYkrliFi/4EdqD9rJ8RfkptcvHqeoH47WJU1I6jDWEMW45OcUL5wB3Su0PCaHbNM+LCQKqGnubBF7HUh1Xn93Paioe0YFTPvBxzj3lGE+8Zn6sr9jj7uXB1QjlsPs/cWYMCPHQF5z7hEp//Nso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cMdTXF8jfRz+cNyuchZ73PvarDBdDouPYJgDd8pakb9Qj7gexu/nriRK828y5Ml43fASbmg1RFUdW4joIuBkHjGmDdX5msfE5PEP9vzYQgznndO4ARSirg1mD42GHZn0NT/f8OrG2Iy2wAEMTPqZpiJmhsXEyPoBSuamCDIsMts= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:26:07 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7645_30186707.1198549572677" Resent-Message-ID: <8IZbdB.A.J-C.KpGcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 02:26:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7645_30186707.1198549572677 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wanted to follow suit and wish everyone on the list a very Merry Christmas and wonderful success in 2008. For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let me know if you are there, would be great to say hey. All good things Jim -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_7645_30186707.1198549572677 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I wanted to follow suit and wish everyone on the list a very Merry Christmas and wonderful success in 2008.  For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let me know if you are there, would be great to say hey.

All good things


Jim

--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 05:00:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C61733BEDE; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:59:00 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... In-reply-to: <169091.1198519840396.JavaMail.root@m05> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <47708E14.5040909@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <169091.1198519840396.JavaMail.root@m05> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:00:56 +0000 (UTC) Chris Sewell wrote: > what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone try > this mic? Any better all in one's out there? Hi Chris, "All In One" is a rather slim description. Can you be more detailed regarding the desired applications? Studio use only? Stage use only? Both? Vocals, instruments? What is the biggest need? The second biggest need? Third? Ruggedness and reliability count as part of the specs in addition to pickup pattern, frequency response, and sensitivity, et al. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 05:14:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 548223BEDA; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=c+C7bw47fcy05Ptq1hvkvtpjX9E9bq6DBQVadCKS0U9uflEIJnLuwDLJnpeL0Nj8DasMGfiCuTs8m8j89oNpsHNt2KPns2uMMv+RXAENzdqQ5gD8tNS5o1G3fLi3e6sFAcW8b6NFe3M10U3YXzg6bux18veRq7uUiD7ESp2Gmj8=; X-YMail-OSG: AiPkjqsVM1n23YBEO.FAgsAMCkNgGHL4qcsnP.RsE_YMYe8Ay84xDAhWe7RurwIrUf2S7Pf7EEDlbQDJFrkzJQG4fcBxU7sAMyYYGoHi3X43V8PpADqwKnXdvYihfYZdcggfdDsxQ7zEteI- Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 21:14:48 -0800 (PST) From: murkie Subject: Mark Christensen NYC Gig Spam To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <206379.40159.qm@web54001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 05:14:50 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for the limited amount of advance notice on this one. 'tis the season ya know. I will be appearing again with Stone Document (Mike Roze and Dennis Tirch) at Fat Baby on the Lower East Side, NYC on Thursday, Dec. 27th. The band starts at 8 pm sharp (the only only time Mark does anything punctually). The cover is $5 and everybody gets a hug. Fat Baby is located at 112 Rivington St. NY, NY. For more info on Stone Document (and sound samples, too) visit: http://web.mac.com/drdennis/Dennis_Tirch_/Music/Music.html and http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=65260290 Hope to see you there. mark twistedapplerecords.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 06:23:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009353BEE0; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:22:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:22:42 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <7Q_Zv.A.nuB.DHKcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:22:59 +0000 (UTC) > For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let > me know if you are there, would be great to say hey. You will find Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Steve Lawson and me in the Looperlative booth at location 1653. It is always a thrill for to meet everybody. Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 06:26:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BD023BEE4; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00f501c846bf$06e2e4d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <169091.1198519840396.JavaMail.root@m05> <47708E14.5040909@soundscapes.us> Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:26:04 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 06:26:20 +0000 (UTC) > "All In One" is a rather slim description. Can you be more detailed > regarding the desired applications? I can't speak for Chris' needs, but I'm currently using a Shure Beta 58 on stage. I like the warm sound it gives my voice, but I'm also considering the posibility of getting a new mic for stage use. My preference is something that gives me a nice warm sound and resists feedback. The less critical the mic placement on stage the better. Bob Amstadt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 07:27:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2B5E3BEE7; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--934415300 Message-Id: <436416c193577f59ab2df20655c6526c@glasswing.com> From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to All You Loopy Folks Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:20:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77466 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:27:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--934415300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed OM - the original sixty cycle hum Merry... richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com (coming soon!) 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Cheers, Ted Killian = --Apple-Mail-1--934415300-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 09:44:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDD813BEE7; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=H/krgXoEEncBwcFOF6GsgavcMUQkJ4O7ahZaeEKNXjTZoapd38a6gm81/6NVvUVpk1SSeoGScUj6OWdhbE1tYXQWbVdYRVrzSUs2Cq2QT4RExJxZChZpolI4OzFRcY/p8JJmX7WevZtx7B2hjuX4+pY7jScgQOf9J8uiw4MFRt4=; X-YMail-OSG: 4pmFlkwVM1nhtq4EKbR1HR4z7MSKzlv.TTlomY6DInaxeEsWWndMBru8Bp5S0B8OxjlTKWe4rxobhhkeLCx7FLcWO_Xeptdcio.M9CQIIOG0mg7V1t4Qns_FkMaLUQ-- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 01:44:01 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <494280.27251.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77467 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps not all round but i thought id pitch in anyway, 2 budget mics that people have been raving about lately here are: SENNHEISER E606 killer for to amplify guitar amps http://www.thomann.de/gb/sennheiser_e606_instrumentenmikrofon.htm the russian OKTAVA MK 012-01 CARDIOID for acoustic guitar,etc. http://www.thomann.de/gb/oktava_mk01201_cardioid_kleinmembranmikro.htm if uve checked them out allready dont forget to let us know! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Fox To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 5:59:00 AM Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Chris Sewell wrote: > what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone try > this mic? Any better all in one's out there? Hi Chris, "All In One" is a rather slim description. Can you be more detailed regarding the desired applications? Studio use only? Stage use only? Both? Vocals, instruments? What is the biggest need? The second biggest need? Third? Ruggedness and reliability count as part of the specs in addition to pickup pattern, frequency response, and sensitivity, et al. Cheers, Bill ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 10:58:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2443BEE1; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 652097726/mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.227.178 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.227.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAI9wcEdPSuOy/2dsb2JhbACCIgSmD4Ie Message-ID: <4770E247.30703@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:58:15 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... References: <5312773B-CD3A-42A3-9D57-302E517B0F83@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <5312773B-CD3A-42A3-9D57-302E517B0F83@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 10:58:15 +0000 (UTC) For Studio. Nevaton CM51. ( pricey, $1000 or so) It's a multipattern condenser with a medium sized diaphragm. (omni fig8 etc) Incredibly detailed, full sound with just a subtle hint high frequency lift. A large diaphragm condenser is never quite as good for off axis sounds, and while they can sound amazing, they're not all purpose. A small diaphragm gives more accurate response, especially off axis, but doesn't have the big sound. The Nevaton is Russian, but costs a bit more than the Octavas( which I have and like) and easily beats them for sound. Good on vocals(with pop filter of course). Amazing to use a pair to capture a drum kit. Sounds good even if you don't bother to position it. For Stage, and places you wouldn't risk a condenser. Sennheiser 421. Works for vocals much better than the SM58, you don't have to waste the mid eq on the mixer to get rid of the muddy 200Hz range. Has a variable high pass to remove lows if that's a problem. Works on a kick drum (good lf response and survives high sound pressure). One of the standard mics for use on a guitar cab. I've used one to record a whole drum kit, good enough for a demo. Cheaper Get an Octava for recording. For live I'd check out some sort of Sennheiser. andy butler Chris Sewell wrote: > what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone try > this mic? Any better all in one's out there? > Thanks > C > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 11:11:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8BBC3BEEE; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:11:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=sdBGbjzeMdaGqAHSnPdhXa3VM+9awyHcOPQjeDZwcaCnVROYzcn6RStn0N0j6tBlCD4U8mDa+FF0lRv+jG7tUOGTaHWicMfiyd9cJSPMegSskW7qBSTCmvLFMoFrVESCvWwPZpf1qQQn6c5WOW0bV/Kx8F78eNAobEydZL6tLe0= ; X-YMail-OSG: bJeU7bcVM1nhVMZObQ5xTakgeVX5eJpGxApSdvno6rmGVVGifmv8Y9VLZi01eZcSmT0vZtuCssc0hKIpElpxglUonfUbmzA1BTbmZr32QTgN2UQC Message-ID: <001601c846e6$dafee760$4201a8c0@rickyslaptop> From: "Ricky Graham" To: References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:11:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C846E6.DA7E1EA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:11:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C846E6.DA7E1EA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Merry Christmas from Ireland folks! Looking forward to speaking with you all in the new year! Ricky ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jim Goodin=20 To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 2:26 AM Subject: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 I wanted to follow suit and wish everyone on the list a very Merry = Christmas and wonderful success in 2008. For any going to the CA NAMM = I'm very pleased to be going and please let me know if you are there, = would be great to say hey.=20 All good things Jim --=20 The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - = http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - = http://www.woodandwiremusic.com=20 Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull = Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel = Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C846E6.DA7E1EA0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 11:18:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22E5D3BEEA; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OI/oKf9CRA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:19:15 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <494280.27251.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchG2q7Toth8Wir/R62bTI+oNCBimAABJLXQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77470 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:18:39 +0000 (UTC) Just one mic... ...as already mentioned, this is really a tough call, but if I had to choose that one mic, it should: (1) work with a lot of instruments (2) be rugged (stage use) (3) work with poor micpres and not require phantom power (e.g. plugging into a Korg KP3) (4) record ensembles/rooms well (5) have a compact and practical form factor (For now, nobody mentioned (6) price) Sooooo, what we need is a: a) a mike that has an "open" sound normally but will get a lot of pressure under high SPLs (coming from (1) and (4)) b) directionality can be changed (from (4) mainly) c) be a dynamic or a VERY rugged condenser with battery supply (from (2) and (3)) d) be about the size of a SM57 etc. (5) With that, the only thing I can think of right now is the Beyer M201. But I'm sure Rick is going to mention the AKG C1000 as well... Talking about the Octavas: I heard numerous reports of a high quality/parameter spread with the Octavas - this is due to the fact that their electronic circuits are built with the components which are just available at the time of build. So you either have to get like 10 pieces from the shop and find which one is best, or rely on a reseller which will replace the electronics. The Sennheisers: Personally, I only use one Sennheiser mic (e902, I'm more of a Beyer guy, and that has also to do with the fact that their dynamic mikes are still somewhat of a secret weapon, hence used prices e.g. for a M88N are in the same range as those for a Beta58...), but this MD421 has an exorbitant price tag - is it really that good? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 15:14:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D1E783BEF6; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000301c84708$4da3f3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:10:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <4Ti1j.A.k5F.T5RcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:14:27 +0000 (UTC) I'll chip in. If I were to choose one mic, it wouldn't be a dynamic, although I do agree with Andy about the Sennheiser MD421 )MKii) and there's the MD441 (although I haven't used one) that do cut across the dynamic/condenser boundary well. I like my Beyer M201, but it doesn't behave or sound anything like a condenser. For live use, I would generally use small diaphragm mics, I have tended to think of my AKG C1000s as fulfilling this role (they are phantom powered as well as battery). ?There are also Beyer and AT equivalents. I guess the dual power option is useful, but I prefer to be able to fully power them from the desk, than under-run them). Better still, but relatively expensive, is the Shure SM81 (small diaphragm condenser with pad and low cut) which I think has a great sound for stage or studio use - I use mine in both situations. What about the new Rode M3? it's certainly getting good reviews in Sound On Sound and Performing Musician and sounds like it's going to be a good all-rounder and more flattering/brighter than the C1000. For studio use, I guess I'd go for a large diaphragm mic that's more costly than my Rode NT1 and NTK - one of the Blue mics perhaps, or an AKG C414. I guess I'd tend to think of the issues that have already been stated as most important and that might steer you towards thinking of two mics based around either the live/studio or vocal/instrument issues. issues like: 1. studio, live or both - robustness comes in here. 2. "true" honest reproduction or some flattery. large/small diaphragm is a factor here. 3. price range/limit. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: AW: If you were going to buy just one Mic... > Just one mic... > > ...as already mentioned, this is really a tough call, but if I had to > choose > that one mic, it should: > (1) work with a lot of instruments > (2) be rugged (stage use) > (3) work with poor micpres and not require phantom power (e.g. > plugging into a Korg KP3) > (4) record ensembles/rooms well > (5) have a compact and practical form factor > > (For now, nobody mentioned (6) price) > > Sooooo, what we need is a: > a) a mike that has an "open" sound normally but will get a lot of > pressure under high SPLs (coming from (1) and (4)) > b) directionality can be changed (from (4) mainly) > c) be a dynamic or a VERY rugged condenser with battery supply (from > (2) and (3)) > d) be about the size of a SM57 etc. (5) > > With that, the only thing I can think of right now is the Beyer M201. But > I'm sure Rick is going to mention the AKG C1000 as well... > > Talking about the Octavas: > I heard numerous reports of a high quality/parameter spread with the > Octavas > - this is due to the fact that their electronic circuits are built with > the > components which are just available at the time of build. > So you either have to get like 10 pieces from the shop and find which one > is > best, or rely on a reseller which will replace the electronics. > > The Sennheisers: > Personally, I only use one Sennheiser mic (e902, I'm more of a Beyer guy, > and that has also to do with the fact that their dynamic mikes are still > somewhat of a secret weapon, hence used prices e.g. for a M88N are in the > same range as those for a Beta58...), but this MD421 has an exorbitant > price > tag - is it really that good? > > Rainer > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 15:17:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 600173BEF9; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:17:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 643292994/mk-filter-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC/CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP/79.74.227.178 X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.74.227.178 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: akbutler@tiscali.co.uk X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAPatcEdPSuOy/2dsb2JhbACCIgSmEYIe Message-ID: <47711F0F.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:17:35 +0000 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: If you were going to buy just one Mic... References: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:17:34 +0000 (UTC) > Talking about the Octavas: > I heard numerous reports of a high quality/parameter spread with the Octavas > - this is due to the fact that their electronic circuits are built with the > components which are just available at the time of build. > So you either have to get like 10 pieces from the shop and find which one is > best, or rely on a reseller which will replace the electronics. > yep, the 219s are very variable, due to the metal grid in front of the capsule. The variability is more of an issue if you want a stereo pair. ...but I have 2 of the 219s, and 2 of the 012 sets with 3 capsules each they all sound pretty good. > The Sennheisers: > Personally, I only use one Sennheiser mic (e902, I'm more of a Beyer guy, > and that has also to do with the fact that their dynamic mikes are still > somewhat of a secret weapon, hence used prices e.g. for a M88N are in the > same range as those for a Beta58...), but this MD421 has an exorbitant price > tag - is it really that good? Most studios seem to think they're worth the price. In the 60's and 70's a lot of top vocalists used them, watch those old clips and whenever there's a great vocal sound it's usually from the 421. Wasn't it the Temptations who had gold plated 421s? ...and John Entwhistle used 421s on his bass cab. ...they were the vocal mics for the Grateful Dead's famed "wall of sound" pa ..but the point is, you can even use it on a kick drum. So it's the only mic you can use on absolutely anything. Oh, and thanks for the Beyer tip. andy > > Rainer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 15:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 486433BEF8; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 34402 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:53:25 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <47711F0F.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> References: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> <47711F0F.7040809@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--900011815 Message-Id: From: Richard Sales Subject: Re: AW: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 07:53:23 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: <1be7FD.A.J2G.1dScHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 15:53:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--900011815 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed 421s are nice. Great for toms, kick, guitar amps. I was once recorded on TV where they used a 421 on my acoustic guitar! I said to the sound guy, "This ain't gonna work" and he said, "Well let's just try it." It sounded incredible. Haven't tried it in my studio though. Haven't tried them, but Paul Smith told me the old white ones sound better. He has great ears. Spendy though. 421s are like SM 57s. When in a pinch, you can use them to drive railroad spikes and they still work afterwards. Something to consider if you're going to take the mic to live gigs or if you're using more lightweight or flimsy mic stands. It all depends on how much you wanna spend. I really like the Neumann 105. Looks just like an SM58, is surprisingly rugged (I dropped mine on concrete and it still sounds fine), and sounds very good. I think they're somewhere in the range of $700 though. Needs phantom power. Not real familiar with the CHinese mic's but I've heard very good things from friends with golden ears. Ruggedness is important. With the big diaphragm & expensive guys, when they hit the floor, quite often they're hosed. My fave Sennheiser is the MKH40. Have only used it on acoustic instruments so far though. Fabulous for acoustic recording - cello, violin, acoustic guitar, banjo. Haven't used it for voice yet. Being able to choose the patterns is nice, but you need an environment where you can really take advantage of that. Which means, a VERY VERY QUIET and controlled recording space. Omni always sounds so much better... but any extraneous sound can ruin the recording. But if you have the right space, a less expensive omni can sound much better than a more expensive cardioid. Have heard some very nice vocal recordings done with the bigger Audio Technica mic's. Don't have any, though. I think a great mic pre can make most any mic sound WAY better. For voice and Neve-ish clarity, I really like the cheap little Chameleon mic pre's. I like the Daking 4 channel for a maybe fatter colorful sound - nice for acoustic and electric guitars. 4 channels for around $1800. Not bad. And I've heard of some nice cheap tube mic pre's. Was it ART that made them? Always the wise thing is to ask your dealer if you can take a few home and try them. They might ask you to pay for all of them which is fine as long as you can return the ones you don't like. I can't remember the name, but there is a company that screens all the Octavias they sell. Haven't used Octavias yet but have heard very good things about them. Have fun and enter the game slowly. It's a bottomless pit! And remember that some amazing recordings have been done with some pretty inexpensive gear. it's really all in the music. And your ears. If you have really great music and ears, an SM57 and good pre can take you at least to the next step. 7:50 - time to go be GrandDad Santa! richard sales glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c. www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com (coming soon!) On 25-Dec-07, at 7:17 AM, andy butler wrote: > >> Talking about the Octavas: >> I heard numerous reports of a high quality/parameter spread with the >> Octavas >> - this is due to the fact that their electronic circuits are built >> with the >> components which are just available at the time of build. >> So you either have to get like 10 pieces from the shop and find which >> one is >> best, or rely on a reseller which will replace the electronics. > > yep, the 219s are very variable, due to the metal grid in front of the > capsule. > > The variability is more of an issue if you want a stereo pair. > > ...but I have 2 of the 219s, and 2 of the 012 sets with 3 capsules > each they all sound pretty good. > > > > >> The Sennheisers: >> Personally, I only use one Sennheiser mic (e902, I'm more of a Beyer >> guy, >> and that has also to do with the fact that their dynamic mikes are >> still >> somewhat of a secret weapon, hence used prices e.g. for a M88N are in >> the >> same range as those for a Beta58...), but this MD421 has an >> exorbitant price >> tag - is it really that good? > > Most studios seem to think they're worth the price. > In the 60's and 70's a lot of top vocalists used them, watch those old > clips and whenever there's a great vocal sound it's usually from the > 421. Wasn't it the Temptations who had gold plated 421s? > > ...and John Entwhistle used 421s on his bass cab. > ...they were the vocal mics for the Grateful Dead's famed "wall of > sound" pa > > ..but the point is, you can even use it on a kick drum. > > So it's the only mic you can use on absolutely anything. > > Oh, and thanks for the Beyer tip. > > andy > > > > > > > >> Rainer >> > --Apple-Mail-3--900011815 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=US-ASCII 421s are nice. Great for toms, kick, guitar amps. I was once recorded on TV where they used a 421 on my acoustic guitar! I said to the sound guy, "This ain't gonna work" and he said, "Well let's just try it." It sounded incredible. Haven't tried it in my studio though. Haven't tried them, but Paul Smith told me the old white ones sound better. He has great ears. Spendy though. 421s are like SM 57s. When in a pinch, you can use them to drive railroad spikes and they still work afterwards. Something to consider if you're going to take the mic to live gigs or if you're using more lightweight or flimsy mic stands. It all depends on how much you wanna spend. I really like the Neumann 105. Looks just like an SM58, is surprisingly rugged (I dropped mine on concrete and it still sounds fine), and sounds very good. I think they're somewhere in the range of $700 though. Needs phantom power. Not real familiar with the CHinese mic's but I've heard very good things from friends with golden ears. Ruggedness is important. With the big diaphragm & expensive guys, when they hit the floor, quite often they're hosed. My fave Sennheiser is the MKH40. Have only used it on acoustic instruments so far though. Fabulous for acoustic recording - cello, violin, acoustic guitar, banjo. Haven't used it for voice yet. Being able to choose the patterns is nice, but you need an environment where you can really take advantage of that. Which means, a VERY VERY QUIET and controlled recording space. Omni always sounds so much better... but any extraneous sound can ruin the recording. But if you have the right space, a less expensive omni can sound much better than a more expensive cardioid. Have heard some very nice vocal recordings done with the bigger Audio Technica mic's. Don't have any, though. I think a great mic pre can make most any mic sound WAY better. For voice and Neve-ish clarity, I really like the cheap little Chameleon mic pre's. I like the Daking 4 channel for a maybe fatter colorful sound - nice for acoustic and electric guitars. 4 channels for around $1800. Not bad. And I've heard of some nice cheap tube mic pre's. Was it ART that made them? Always the wise thing is to ask your dealer if you can take a few home and try them. They might ask you to pay for all of them which is fine as long as you can return the ones you don't like. I can't remember the name, but there is a company that screens all the Octavias they sell. Haven't used Octavias yet but have heard very good things about them. Have fun and enter the game slowly. It's a bottomless pit! And remember that some amazing recordings have been done with some pretty inexpensive gear. it's really all in the music. And your ears. If you have really great music and ears, an SM57 and good pre can take you at least to the next step. 7:50 - time to go be GrandDad Santa! Gadgetrichard sales 7373,7F7F,C5C5glassWing farm and studio vancouver island, b.c.C3C3,9696,1C1C www.glassWing.com www.richardsales.com www.hayleysales.com www.joannesales.com (coming soon!) On 25-Dec-07, at 7:17 AM, andy butler wrote: Talking about the Octavas: I heard numerous reports of a high quality/parameter spread with the Octavas - this is due to the fact that their electronic circuits are built with the components which are just available at the time of build. So you either have to get like 10 pieces from the shop and find which one is best, or rely on a reseller which will replace the electronics. yep, the 219s are very variable, due to the metal grid in front of the capsule. The variability is more of an issue if you want a stereo pair. ...but I have 2 of the 219s, and 2 of the 012 sets with 3 capsules each they all sound pretty good. The Sennheisers: Personally, I only use one Sennheiser mic (e902, I'm more of a Beyer guy, and that has also to do with the fact that their dynamic mikes are still somewhat of a secret weapon, hence used prices e.g. for a M88N are in the same range as those for a Beta58...), but this MD421 has an exorbitant price tag - is it really that good? Most studios seem to think they're worth the price. In the 60's and 70's a lot of top vocalists used them, watch those old clips and whenever there's a great vocal sound it's usually from the 421. Wasn't it the Temptations who had gold plated 421s? ...and John Entwhistle used 421s on his bass cab. ...they were the vocal mics for the Grateful Dead's famed "wall of sound" pa ..but the point is, you can even use it on a kick drum. So it's the only mic you can use on absolutely anything. Oh, and thanks for the Beyer tip. andy Rainer --Apple-Mail-3--900011815-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 16:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 437743BEF1; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <494280.27251.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <494280.27251.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:32:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77474 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC) My Mistake. For recording. Acoustic guitar and Vocals mostly. Budget is under $1000. Thanks On Dec 25, 2007, at 4:44 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Perhaps not all round but i thought id pitch in anyway, > 2 budget mics that people have been raving about lately here are: > SENNHEISER E606 killer for to amplify guitar amps > http://www.thomann.de/gb/sennheiser_e606_instrumentenmikrofon.htm > the russian OKTAVA MK 012-01 CARDIOID for acoustic guitar,etc. > http://www.thomann.de/gb/oktava_mk01201_cardioid_kleinmembranmikro.htm > if uve checked them out allready dont forget to let us know! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Bill Fox > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 5:59:00 AM > Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... > > > Chris Sewell wrote: >> what would it be? I'm thinking the Sputnik looks promising. Anyone > try >> this mic? Any better all in one's out there? > Hi Chris, > > "All In One" is a rather slim description. Can you be more detailed > regarding the desired applications? Studio use only? Stage use only? > > Both? Vocals, instruments? What is the biggest need? The second > biggest need? Third? > > Ruggedness and reliability count as part of the specs in addition to > pickup pattern, frequency response, and sensitivity, et al. > > Cheers, > > Bill > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/ > newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 17:18:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2994E3BF01; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47713B54.2070402@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:18:12 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... References: <169091.1198519840396.JavaMail.root@m05> <47708E14.5040909@soundscapes.us> <00f501c846bf$06e2e4d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> In-Reply-To: <00f501c846bf$06e2e4d0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <2W4Cf.A.3-.ZtTcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 17:18:18 +0000 (UTC) I've never seen a Sennheiser 421 on stage for vocals, mainly because it would look ridiculous. Those babies are BIG (and mainly used as an upgrade for an SM57 in my experience, guitar cabs and drums). If there's $1000 to spend, I think it'd be better to get a small range of mics so you have some choices. Myself, I'd get the AKG1000s ($200), a pair of professionally-matched Oktava MK-012a's from the Sound Room ($450), a couple of SM57's ($80 each) for snares, Marshall Majors and framing windows, and put the rest towards a mic pre which will make a world of difference in any mic unless you have a really good board. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 19:10:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72E0A3BF04; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=FqgesphQyXozAgZ1ayQ0m1r36KKGPH8LnLXwk/WKESXXqK2ZEmtrAp/XR/u6MgQO5wLNMOExqgHIKF3Ll6ZqUTIGYlQozYQWBLLrYEcMYSQkwXZKrdCfunbfyJv7oJY/gsI9vJjH3WY+/eEcIuM/A52AW4X4ko+gHljBv/vRqfQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 6mRadCwVM1mE8z0Cv9sRDConoL7ZDhBCCJgLrLxW1qRIY7ggGrRRGUiQOZw8JRjfjnPp8Y9mUZY1RAyHsh2BHIFEuw-- Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: bill bigrig Subject: vortex power supply To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <840006.59632.qm@web32707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2kkG8D.A.dEE.-WVcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:10:54 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, For any piece of gear without a PSU that needs DC, get the volts and amps right, buy a regulated supply from jameco or mouser. If AC do the same but go in and put the + DC and - DC a the proper plce down from the rectifier. rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 19:18:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 553053BF04; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:18:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xwfQtJOyQbEA:10 a=wUJ9XRdNAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=mXmh1LwXAAAA:8 a=DPgOdzIHAAAA:8 a=KCVmX8HyAAAA:8 a=s9ThSRKNAAAA:8 a=xAEii7aeAAAA:8 a=ceq5DhSe7hfsSaPFo5UA:9 a=JG7NYseqklxk4f7_hgkA:7 a=7d1p2K4GDdSCuFKGSgFt_g1G22YA:4 a=by2dKgXnggYA:10 a=FjTAhsmXAgNRl06tzdMA:9 a=xJjDlHDkSrk0KFpHLXwA:7 a=2JXcIfrYvXQBLWXf5v_lHeqVHXcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--887688616 Message-Id: From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:18:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <8vBNs.A.QWE.YeVcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 19:18:49 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--887688616 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed here here, wish everyone the best in all their looping endeavors. best wishes, zoe On Dec 24, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > I wanted to follow suit and wish everyone on the list a very Merry > Christmas and wonderful success in 2008. For any going to the CA > NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let me know if you are > there, would be great to say hey. > > All good things > > > Jim > > -- > The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http:// > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic > Chinapainting - > http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Chinapainting on My Space - > http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com > The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http:// > www.woodandwiremusic.com > Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull > Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by > Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com > > --Apple-Mail-4--887688616 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 here here, wish everyone the best in all their looping = endeavors.

best = wishes, zoe



On Dec 24, 2007, = at 6:26 PM, Jim Goodin wrote:

I wanted = to follow suit and wish everyone on the list a very Merry Christmas and = wonderful success in 2008. =A0For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very = pleased to be going and please let me know if you are there, would be = great to say hey.

All good = things


Jim

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Chinapainting on My Space = -
http://www.myspace.= com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 = other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and = Seagull Guitars - = http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay = Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

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= --Apple-Mail-4--887688616-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Dec 25 20:40:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD0603BF06; Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:40:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_76f82f27-80d0-4fd6-8390-9d343205395a_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.223] From: samba - To: Subject: one mic Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:40:14 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071225155327.2BC403BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071225155327.2BC403BF00@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Dec 2007 20:40:15.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[5A874640:01C84736] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 20:40:17 +0000 (UTC) --_76f82f27-80d0-4fd6-8390-9d343205395a_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I love the sennheiser 421.Another expensive and extremely good mic that I'= ve had very good experiences with,stage and studio, is the Neuman kms105 A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. Frank Zappa _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=3Dchick_wlhmtextlink1_dec= --_76f82f27-80d0-4fd6-8390-9d343205395a_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  I love the sennheiser 421.Another expensive and extremely good mic th= at I've had very good experiences with,stage and studio, is the Neuman kms= 105

A composer is a= guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians.
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From maryedeh@yahoo.com Wed Dec 26 01:14:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1094 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 01:14:42 UTC Received: from cielago.ip.net.ua (cielago.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.15]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 871E33BF06; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 01:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.ipnet.kiev.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cielago.ip.net.ua (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBQ0mmxF080610; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:48:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from maryedeh@yahoo.com) Received: from 213.185.118.231 (proxying for 192.168.11.40) (SquirrelMail authenticated user shalom@ipnet.kiev.ua) by mail.ipnet.kiev.ua with HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:48:48 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <35556.213.185.118.231.1198630128.squirrel@mail.ipnet.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:48:48 +0200 (EET) Subject: Greetings! From: "MRS. MARY EDEH" Reply-To: maryedeh@yahoo.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=cp1251 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new To: undisclosed-recipients:; Greetings! I have been waiting for you since to contact me for your Confirmable Bank Draft of $800.000.00 United States Dollars, but I did not hear from you since that time. Then I went and deposited the Draft with FEDEX COURIER SERVICE, West Africa, I travelled out of the country for a 3 Months Course and I will not come back till end of march. What you have to do now is to contact the FEDEX COURIER SERVICE as soon as possible to know when they will deliver your package to you because of the expiring date. For your information, I have paid for the delivering Charge, Insurance premium and Clearance Certificate Fee of the Cheque showing that it is not a Drug Money or meant to sponsor Terrorist attack in your Country. The only money you will send to the FEDEX COURIER SERVICE to deliver your Draft direct to your postal Address in your country is ($165.00 US) Dollars only being Security Keeping Fee of the Courier Company so far. Again, don't be deceived by anybody to pay any other money except $165.00US Dollars. I would have paid that but they said no because they don't know when you will contact them and in case of demurrage.You have to contact the FEDEX COURIER SERVICE now for the delivery of your Draft with this information bellow; Contact Person: Mr. Smith Roland Email Address:fedex.courier_plc@live.com Telephone:+(234)8082777059 Finally, make sure that you reconfirm your Postal address() and Direct telephone number to them again to avoid any mistake on the Delivery and ask them to give you the tracking number to enable you track your package over there and know when it will get to your address. Let me repeat again, try to contact them as soon as you receive this mail to avoid any further delay and remember to pay them their Security Keeping fee of $165.00 US Dollars for their immediate action. You should also let me know through email as soon as you receive your Draft. Yours Faithfully, Mrs. Mary Edeh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 03:26:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D0023BF11; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:26:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004601c8476f$08a433e0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <000d01c846e7$fc1abea0$1001a8c0@succubus> <000301c84708$4da3f3c0$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: If you were going to buy just one Mic... Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 22:25:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071223-0, 23/12/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 03:26:01 +0000 (UTC) "Ian Popperwell" said: > If I were to choose one mic, it wouldn't be a dynamic, although I do agree > with Andy about the Sennheiser MD421 )MKii) and there's the MD441 The MD441 is my go-to mic. I'd use 'em on everything if I had enough of them. Well, there are some vocalists that don't like them because flaws don't get obscured... Three problems with those mics: 1) size -- they're quite long and can get in the way in tight places. 2) the clip -- the clear plastic one lasts a year or so and breaks, and costs a small fortune ($65 or so). 3) the price. They've come down in price, but they're still near $750. Still. if I was rich, I'd have a dozen. Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 09:55:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9C533BF13; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=86yK0PSIaMVh8ePU/WYeRi+0ztLILvRUKydjPuh3pQk=; b=Grz1YeMionDW16hZWCOFKD/fdv3h2q3LPyC9GxQlQdVX07c318PraD95+oMNpE/T8vCdAXAJ/k2nh5SJVP2cqIcX8Ty9gz3iBQd0Vtl2/HU+KeK22cm4KEt6Sr91FYnpv/S6re4XOLMCJ4RXlPN6dOoeMCtBVge4PyWjaSOgmcA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=idMmiasecxWMi7iOAmgfWivP6hV1DfeE67lyNFwtRyB8ZdFV+Exf5YZ1v6OswITxNA07K23MiqG4V5mQI1EvZpJGpgmiY03B0YI0UgWMZSlaShuIkpgzuZOLwKW306mKGzQCQ7mMwpLrLtQeqdO+eDqXVXNB4Mus10okeiGB5z0= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712260155s136122f8n4498575628048391@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:55:08 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: EWI MIDI sound modules MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12671_9726993.1198662908231" Resent-Message-ID: <90-xhB.A.7rB.9TicHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:55:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12671_9726993.1198662908231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, During EWI discussions on this list I have been saying that I have only been able to get a smooth and expressive sound from software instruments over MIDI by using Logic's instruments. This was true, but recently I have had a chance to try out all my software instruments on a modern MacBook and what I found then is that a some software work a lot better on this machine compared to the G4 and G5 macs and single core Centrino PC's I have tried before. The biggest reward is the Arturia Moog Modular V that now answers back instantly on your playing. Maybe it's the new Universal Binary version from ARturia, I can't tell since I'm not doing a test with reference machines here - just working on my own rig. In the latest Moog Modular V version you can assign MIDI CC#5 to the synth's Portamento On and the Breath (CC#2) or Expression (CC#11) to the three filter cutoff parameters (left thumb touch trail on the EWI). Doing this in the synths MIDI Bindings makes the assignment global and it works with all presets you load. I think the Moog Modular V really stands out among software synths, but even though I have owned it for a long time I have never been able to use it live. So it's nice to see that they finally get this wonderful synth working as you would expect. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_12671_9726993.1198662908231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

During EWI discussions on this list I have been saying that I have only been able to get a smooth and expressive sound from software instruments over MIDI by using Logic's instruments. This was true, but recently I have had a chance to try out all my software instruments on a modern MacBook and what I found then is that a some software work a lot better on this machine compared to the G4 and G5 macs and single core Centrino PC's I have tried before. The biggest reward is the Arturia Moog Modular V that now answers back instantly on your playing. Maybe it's the new Universal Binary version from ARturia, I can't tell since I'm not doing a test with reference machines here - just working on my own rig. 

------=_Part_12671_9726993.1198662908231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 15:14:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DDAE3BF15; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com. Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1264 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:14:46 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=23Y9NxNt3+B7nkwij9mvms7j1RmBTDLgX2QZuzjuTUo=; b=ndjt31OiJOg7xF1KYtUOeua7SkQoGowTdmj58tFsN8No4KEVgAxNbNDbNMzN6JIuypaqreJhIrNUQ7fTboqt/QIElLDJyydlwSI2qlFuesmlKg5m9itcpef0pp5tjTcyUD9enk6rbU0Cs3Y27TRDSmAOAG/3pjs+wT3N5iJLzw4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=cRBrCQLQGjwKsB1MCUARgbflv/rQGEgJpxqAv2bgi/Te0LGtLNd+35UmLQYy2x1Aj5TsBD843vfzY1JzPyrjQJf/U/K/jviOHEFEespp6whKm85JICu/vj2ll+GLKgFOm1COFkkn7aqPQ5kB/tTKvUX1JghmA2znLa+0v0d0Wt8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:47:11 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Problem syncing on-the-fly recordings in Ableton Live MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14087_940760.1198680431694" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:14:47 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14087_940760.1198680431694 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I've fixed the midi mapping problem by removing the midi cable going out from my PC to FCB1010. It appears that was the thing confusing midi messages between Live and the FCB. However after recording on the fly as according to your tutorial, i now have a problem where the various tracks don't sync up. the previous tracks begin to lag behind newly recorded tracks. Would anyone be able to advise what settings I should configure for this? Thanks, Wendy ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: wendy phua Date: Dec 24, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem To: loopers-delight-request hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track. So i begin recording my 1st loop into track '2' by stepping on pedal 1. After recording one bar, i stepped on pedal 1 again to trigger the freshly recorded loop to begin playback. However that's when the problem begins as my FCB starts sending a message to Live to set pedal 1 to launch playback of the clip I just recorded. Live sends me a prompt that reads "The selected controller conflicts with the previous mapping to '2'|track Launch. Do you want to replace the previous mapping?". If I click yes, pedal 1 is set to launch playback of the clip I just recorded instead of remaining as the trigger for "Track Launch". Can anyone advise me how to stop the FCB from sending out this erroneous message to Live? getting pretty frustrated here..... tnx, Wendy wendybassist@gmail.com wendyphua.com -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_14087_940760.1198680431694 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

I've fixed the midi mapping problem by removing the midi cable going out from my PC to FCB1010. It appears that was the thing confusing midi messages between Live and the FCB.

However after recording on the fly as according to your tutorial, i now have a problem where the various tracks don't sync up. the previous tracks begin to lag behind newly recorded tracks. Would anyone be able to advise what settings I should configure for this?

Thanks,

Wendy

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com >
Date: Dec 24, 2007 3:28 PM
Subject: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem
To: loopers-delight-request <loopers-delight-request@loopers-delight.com >


hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.

Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.

So i begin recording my 1st loop into track '2' by stepping on pedal 1. After recording one bar, i stepped on pedal 1 again to trigger the freshly recorded loop to begin playback. However that's when the problem begins as my FCB starts sending a message to Live to set pedal 1 to launch playback of the clip I just recorded.

Live sends me a prompt that reads "The selected controller conflicts with the previous mapping to '2'|track Launch. Do you want to replace the previous mapping?". If I click yes, pedal 1 is set to launch playback of the clip I just recorded instead of remaining as the trigger for "Track Launch".

Can anyone advise me how to stop the FCB from sending out this erroneous message to Live? getting pretty frustrated here.....

tnx,
Wendy

wendybassist@gmail.com
wendyphua.com



--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_14087_940760.1198680431694-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 15:49:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A10153BF1C; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06be01c847d6$ed3276e0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Music robots from Toyota Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:49:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Music robots from Toyota... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmoTJFScMY (violin) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqubUfKrDIY&feature=related (trumpet) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_eUiXRhmj0&NR=1 Sort of scary, but so long as they don't start thinking and creating, I won't feel threatened. :) and dancers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57eUpKSQ-c&feature=related Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:06:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2AE513BF18; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:06:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 9518 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:06:11 UTC Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:20:29 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13833_29126012.1198675229785" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:06:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13833_29126012.1198675229785 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with > Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 > (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the > track. > > So i begin recording my 1st loop into track '2' by stepping on pedal 1. > After recording one bar, i stepped on pedal 1 again to trigger the freshly > recorded loop to begin playback. However that's when the problem begins as > my FCB starts sending a message to Live to set pedal 1 to launch playback of > the clip I just recorded. > > Live sends me a prompt that reads "The selected controller conflicts with > the previous mapping to '2'|track Launch. Do you want to replace the > previous mapping?". If I click yes, pedal 1 is set to launch playback of the > clip I just recorded instead of remaining as the trigger for "Track Launch". > > > Can anyone advise me how to stop the FCB from sending out this erroneous > message to Live? getting pretty frustrated here..... > > tnx, > Wendy > > wendybassist@gmail.com > wendyphua.com myspace.com/wendyphua -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_13833_29126012.1198675229785 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.

Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.

So i begin recording my 1st loop into track '2' by stepping on pedal 1. After recording one bar, i stepped on pedal 1 again to trigger the freshly recorded loop to begin playback. However that's when the problem begins as my FCB starts sending a message to Live to set pedal 1 to launch playback of the clip I just recorded.

Live sends me a prompt that reads "The selected controller conflicts with the previous mapping to '2'|track Launch. Do you want to replace the previous mapping?". If I click yes, pedal 1 is set to launch playback of the clip I just recorded instead of remaining as the trigger for "Track Launch".

Can anyone advise me how to stop the FCB from sending out this erroneous message to Live? getting pretty frustrated here.....

tnx,
Wendy

wendybassist@gmail.com
wendyphua.com



--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_13833_29126012.1198675229785-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:39:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B7B23BED6; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c847de$1aad3590$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <06be01c847d6$ed3276e0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Music robots from Toyota Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:41:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+WNIwpMpoop21u35ctyot8i4HpY6dENe4yGwW 74Jg5A9H5883rNMjYK8fOFegpEpBmnQ90RxtiRcyieFwNHywuJ S1yZmffSbQZ7jDn+S0WciMuqmobYD5b Resent-Message-ID: <59E4ZD.A.8GE.cPocHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:39:56 +0000 (UTC) i suppose you have seen/heard the "giant steps"-robot...? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjONQNUU8Fg tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:49 PM Subject: Music robots from Toyota > Music robots from Toyota... > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmoTJFScMY (violin) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqubUfKrDIY&feature=related (trumpet) and > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_eUiXRhmj0&NR=1 > > Sort of scary, but so long as they don't start thinking and creating, I > won't feel threatened. :) > > and dancers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57eUpKSQ-c&feature=related > > Kris > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 16:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91A033BEE8; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xyx7ijIcGD8Ulo3EDwNDFpYAFcGpbFXnXpLUGjbaqB4=; b=YYRtKObOmicj5n0wfqXvEThW1B1Sdu135x72AVseF8tsVX2MztND6SLZqHuCkXhyLcoMod3vUEl9nOgzVtHk3k4NnlY6ox5pUCsk/sm8/qD30IdrehR+Hcn34tXHnOc47meUCKcSTMZFvdviGX00TEgVQa1ZCCqmh1h3mIdkHZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=nnUSkggPAp90mfe9TK9Sg/Prx90ae62njVmfZrCccKrNIdzJibSxuYjSh/Iipm1LzwQJOr9gOlCB839woRB22NFuuSxso/Z0B5TV4LbeQ4qnOJCc2QKYe7R7XpajjKalqrQYF4Q9EnCiBeD89O8A7agcE/y0TpopX2i9CYStBzA= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 09:58:05 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:58:07 +0000 (UTC) As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a less labor intensive manner. The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything out, in case you were wondering. TH On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:04:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F03D3BEE1; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:04:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=IbhMYwOfhxV5aY8VVrUhi7GRjo8qiqDCAlsi/158hyY=; b=EstoUFnMFsMW7vstteLPz20LvmoOO4xHj1MrSv3dGiWDuDwFJ1cws22U6688aPOAGt8B18RD+6Dgnwl9WeP9RYx37BqrhKAmX7lOJE05YTyXR9zGyq1BgpA5KNPi+1FvYxkf0njtunOLPqBSqhekJ1vOwy8VT/0uBGzWtLKkD/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SnUx3lkHjVr9GfDvniR/aAxFoRLEzugQ4VmBkUS319hJbuv4q84qGG1fyPpM4xQhG0oz3l4JAcJwS091tRvNYIv6ifTdDXP8rjbHKr8WYK2C/gl7RS2M9aBUA0mB6XA2/LQxb27NRLTws3ioeZL3qQZBL27DOpojarLM6yfng+8= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:04:19 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14571_9667597.1198688659898" References: Resent-Message-ID: <9KP4HB.A._CF.WmocHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:04:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14571_9667597.1198688659898 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Travis, Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately. However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem cheers, Wendy On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each > button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to > zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. > You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or > you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a > less labor intensive manner. > > The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything > out, in case you were wondering. > > TH > > On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a > monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > > > > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with > Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 > (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the > track. > > -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_14571_9667597.1198688659898 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Travis,

Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately.

However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem

cheers,
Wendy


On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each
button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps).  You'll want to
zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else.
You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or
you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a
less labor intensive manner.

The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything
out, in case you were wondering.

TH

On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.
>
>
> >
> > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_14571_9667597.1198688659898-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:05:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DABE3BEEA; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071226120514.KK3AB.151625.root@fepweb06> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:05:14 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Your CDs on eBay? Cc: Michael Plishka In-Reply-To: <002f01c8442a$11c02760$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, It's a funny old world, ain't it? I guess all those promotional CDs that got sent out to college radio statio= ns and music publications had to wind up somewhere eh? I don't suppose they keep 'em around forever. At least that's where I imagine mine come from that wind up on Ebay and Ama= zon and elswhere 2nd hand. 'Tis a sign of the times. tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Michael Plishka wrote:=20 > Shocked me to find my used CD's and some new by second hand sellers on Am= azon. >=20 > It's getting out there, so that's good! >=20 > ~peace~ >=20 > Plish > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Krispen Hartung=20 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 5:25 PM > Subject: Your CDs on eBay? >=20 >=20 > Cripes! I just found this: >=20 > http://cgi.ebay.com/KRISPEN-HARTUNG---PLACES---CD-*NEW_W0QQitemZ2001853= 42526QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=3DTL0712191052a16295 >=20 > I had no idea...crazy. $4.15...what a deal. Orchard must be selling it= at cost. >=20 > What is hilarious is that they have me under DJ/Dance. Buyers will be i= n for a big surprise. >=20 > Kris >=20 > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:33:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6AA3BEDD; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:32:59 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music References: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon schrieb: > The thing that I always found missing from stockhausen was the > groove, and I'm happy to see it's central importance to current > electronic music. But Stockhausen's music was about a higher order of groove, and more targeted at "the only annoying part is the groove" experience I usually get if some music is starting out quite nicely and then the drum machine is turning it into the usual mainstream radio junk. This can be so annoying that one devolpes an allergy against all grooves, a rare but common desease. Only really good drummers can cure it... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 17:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37D503BEDB; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001101c847e8$488464c0$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:53:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/yKKlM8mm3dE9uclXnQi4QMspSlD7yenD6w3s +D2nTtyhwLsEiaShfeYwKTnZZtU2vPij/x3ONVD/mUjS5s5Oql uVvakroKv5KRNAMElaQL5ho5ZRmSTPK Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:52:49 +0000 (UTC) i remember simon stockhausen talking about his father in a workshop, saying that his father was not interested in his son's jazz music, because it was "repetitive music" to him, hence boring... tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Tiedje" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music > Art Simon schrieb: >> The thing that I always found missing from stockhausen was the >> groove, and I'm happy to see it's central importance to current >> electronic music. > > But Stockhausen's music was about a higher order of groove, and more > targeted at "the only annoying part is the groove" experience I usually > get if some music is starting out quite nicely and then the drum machine > is turning it into the usual mainstream radio junk. This can be so > annoying that one devolpes an allergy against all grooves, a rare but > common desease. Only really good drummers can cure it... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 18:08:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AC113BEA9; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sLF7x6F96hlfjsKNjbdBNufTCzIK7fNHuXYNGPzlm5Q=; b=foW23cSt5c02scebxKt+g9EYcb/ymqr519B6LmYL5gY229JOxD+bJZB9tt3+GYtNVPmPjcn9KKSn59wEjDf2c0ksfQnyopsvwPp8t2xaRuWifmdwbzPMSQRajvT1iMiEecDNPfwHyHrl3YbDrGinyM/8r/ID1mtypAS6teJmpHE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eMubOnAGjiQgsUXWWIQ9twygvqGObmpVyur1Mcf8f3fcjZYsqgx56Z1/qDpXtReMVsZQXCRJ1BxjNhEjTShSCk7iRPl0qDbB9b5VvDXMc8MIfuAd8/dL4NCz69/ANdlLuvHRMKDkDlRda9PLgzyLTB+w5+IKNMKLpnQqs7zfTgk= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:08:45 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Your CDs on eBay? In-Reply-To: <20071226120514.KK3AB.151625.root@fepweb06> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <002f01c8442a$11c02760$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> <20071226120514.KK3AB.151625.root@fepweb06> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:08:48 +0000 (UTC) When I worked at used CD store, the local writers and DJ's would come in each month with a big box of largely unopened promo CD's to sell. It was openly regarded as a perk of the under-paying job. If the promos weren't clipped or tagged as promo only, the store would return them to the distributor to get account credit for them. TH On Dec 26, 2007 10:05 AM, tEd (R) kiLLiAn wrote: > Yeah, > > It's a funny old world, ain't it? > > I guess all those promotional CDs that got sent out to college radio stations and music publications had to wind up somewhere eh? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 19:22:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 677143BEC7; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:22:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=SC+MYfHy3IHmkJis5EgRTZ2zoDFygWDksKlskpgLbYf5rfT9Gj35J9i6HKr5Cslo; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> References: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <41CC57A3-5520-4619-AEAD-F58FD74E6040@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:22:17 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec794f424c572daf0e125f561af92e2b14ad350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.174 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:22:21 +0000 (UTC) If only this disease was a bit less rare and much more common! Merry X... dc On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > some music is starting out quite nicely and then the drum machine > is turning it into the usual mainstream radio junk. This can be so > annoying that one devolpes an allergy against all grooves, a rare > but common desease. Only really good drummers can cure it... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 20:43:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 639A33BECD; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=51N/ygNqFf2vkUm4IPs5oUInNr6oQ/3Ico7sFejIdmQ=; b=GbTB6+4pd1ijM8pODczXuT5finGB3pP/n/MjJLwkH9CFfYVRI7PEOS34rByVn1qINKjAsLzE79IZ/mdd4n3ucqUIFJe/7xLydSD3VKLzZKouAoQDi7c6RmQm+xVe3DPSHQnEnB9kA7Tti6iQqHZbN9x/Wahpbs+Le9s6085ULTI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BVuh0yS6Vx4V3t0dDvPKxFgeXtmrosXICDeyVFCnZGa6eJ9ni3gQIF0oQYKENM5nqFjW2R/HFDN83LK3Hz/kMLg8B4kzeQQTVRmyEMZ5Zw6HtDeWSIZPi4BU7y8QdvHhRYr7W5Hy6N8Wuo9eVBzy6dih5xmZXAaLOg1PdlhFPLw= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:43:31 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: "Bob Amstadt" , loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 In-Reply-To: <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2900_32359643.1198701811592" References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:43:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2900_32359643.1198701811592 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Bob look forward to meeting you. Glad that Rick and Bill will be there this year, know it was a different story this time last year saddly. I've never met Steve but look forward to saying hey. I'm a GHS Strings and Seagullendorser. Last year Godin/Seagull had somewhat of a performance stage which I played on. Have not heard this year and as said I'm jumping in to going to NAMM late but pleased to be going out again. Should any of you be free however I'll be performing *Saturday evening, Jan 19th, 7:30pm* in nearby downtown Anaheim at the Living Tradition Concertseries (250 Center St) where I'll be opening for songwriter/multi-instrumentalist Harvey Reid . This is a folk gig so I'll be doing more traditional guitar pieces akin to my past than experimental or looping. Best to all and hope Santa was good to you Jim On Dec 25, 2007 1:22 AM, Bob Amstadt wrote: > > For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let > > me know if you are there, would be great to say hey. > > You will find Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Steve Lawson and me in the > Looperlative booth at location 1653. It is always a thrill for to meet > everybody. > > Bob Amstadt > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_2900_32359643.1198701811592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Bob look forward to meeting you.  Glad that Rick and Bill will be there this year, know it was a different story this time last year saddly.  I've never met Steve but look forward to saying hey.
 
I'm a GHS Strings and Seagull endorser.  Last year Godin/Seagull had somewhat of a performance stage which I played on.  Have not heard this year and as said I'm jumping in to going to NAMM late but pleased to be going out again.
 
Should any of you be free however I'll be performing Saturday evening, Jan 19th, 7:30pm in nearby downtown Anaheim at the Living Tradition Concert series (250 Center St) where I'll be opening for songwriter/multi-instrumentalist Harvey Reid.  This is a folk gig so I'll be doing more traditional guitar pieces akin to my past than experimental or looping.
 
Best to all and hope Santa was good to you
 
Jim

On Dec 25, 2007 1:22 AM, Bob Amstadt <bobld@amstadt.com> wrote:
> For any going to the CA NAMM I'm very pleased to be going and please let
> me know if you are there, would be great to say hey.

You will find Rick Walker, Bill Walker, Steve Lawson and me in the
Looperlative booth at location 1653.  It is always a thrill for to meet
everybody.

Bob Amstadt




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
------=_Part_2900_32359643.1198701811592-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:01:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374423BECF; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:01:13 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:01:33 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > > I'm a GHS Strings and Seagull > endorser. Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:06:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9743BED5; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rick williamson Subject: Overdubbing into a looping sound file using Max/Msp Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:10:05 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <5OcLuB.A.rSH.KJscHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77494 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:06:18 +0000 (UTC) Using Max/Msp I've created an example patch for overdubbing into a looping file. I tried to keep it as simple as possible so people could use it as a basis for creating their own loopers. It's a very simple 8 sec loop w/overdub. In this example feedback is always 100%. To me the thing that's great about this patch is that it should run on any mac that can run os 10.3.9 Right now I'm running it on a lowly 600 MHz G3 all in one iMac. I've got a 1/8" to 1/4" adapter connected to my guitar plugged into the sound input plug of the iMac. No extra audio interface needed. You can also use the computers built in mic. Don't know if the patch will work in windows. Someone else will have to test the code and see. You'll need to down load Eric Lyons el.buffet~ object to use the patch. It's included in his "LyonPotpourri 2.0" group of objects and can be found here: http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/~elyon/LyonSoftware/MaxMSP/ Cut it up and have fun with it. Rick Williamson max v2; #N vpatcher 3 266 1016 759; #P origin -17 -81; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P newex 738 261 61 196617 delay 1000; #P button 325 271 15 0; #N vpatcher -4 289 596 689; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P window linecount 0; #P message 278 183 14 196617 0; #P newex 278 158 46 196617 select 0; #P inlet 230 137 15 0; #P inlet 278 137 15 0; #P window linecount 1; #P newex 306 264 46 196617 % 1000; #P newex 262 283 27 196617 + 1; #P newex 263 264 43 196617 / 1000; #P newex 278 235 43 196617 clocker; #P outlet 262 305 15 0; #P outlet 306 286 15 0; #P connect 3 0 4 0; #P connect 4 0 1 0; #P connect 2 0 3 0; #P connect 6 0 8 0; #P connect 8 0 9 0; #P connect 7 0 2 0; #P connect 9 0 2 0; #P connect 2 0 5 0; #P connect 5 0 0 0; #P pop; #P newobj 619 134 41 196617 p clock; #P message 738 293 14 196617 1; #P newex 738 230 48 196617 loadbang; #P newex 300 70 52 196617 select 32; #P newex 300 48 40 196617 key; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 18.; #P comment 644 220 84 196626 Record; #P comment 504 238 84 196626 Overdub; #P comment 328 239 64 196626 Erase; #P number 663 157 124 18 0 0 164 3 246 2 42 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P number 619 157 33 18 0 0 164 3 246 2 42 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P newex 110 257 48 196617 loadbang; #P newex 110 291 27 196617 100; #P toggle 695 323 15 0; #P newex 695 360 53 196617 selector~; #P toggle 193 218 15 0; #P newex 325 326 120 196617 el.buffet~ myinput 8000; #P toggle 519 106 15 0; #P newex 519 158 64 196617 metro 8000; #P message 325 292 71 196617 erase 0 8000; #P newex 792 209 27 196617 1; #P user meter~ 673 404 753 417 50 0 168 0 103 103 103 255 153 0 255 0 0 217 217 0 153 186 0 12 3 3 3 3; #P message 144 292 37 196617 loop 1; #P user meter~ 263 404 343 417 50 0 168 0 103 103 103 255 153 0 255 0 0 217 217 0 153 186 0 12 3 3 3 3; #P message 206 283 51 196617 startloop; #P newex 193 244 38 196617 sig~ 1; #P user gain~ 206 346 18 23 158 6 1.071519 7.94321 75.; #P newex 206 317 82 196617 groove~ myloop; #P user ezdac~ 206 403 250 436 0; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 18.; #P comment 179 177 64 196626 Loop; #P window setfont "Sans Serif" 9.; #P message 470 291 160 196617 overdub myinput 0 0 1. 8000 0 0; #P newex 470 388 91 196617 s completion-bang; #P newex 470 360 89 196617 el.buffet~ myloop; #P newex 639 422 85 196617 record~ myinput; #P user ezadc~ 738 317 782 350 0; #P newex 639 380 27 196617 *~; #P message 639 265 92 196617 0 \, 1 7 1 7986 0 7; #P newex 639 288 32 196617 line~; #P newex 540 3 91 196617 r completion-bang; #P newex 540 24 103 196617 loadmess set myloop; #P user waveform~ 540 46 118 42 3 9; #W mode select; #W mouseoutput continuous; #W unit ms; #W grid 1000.; #W ticks 0; #W labels 1; #W vlabels 0; #W vticks 1; #W bpm 120. 4.; #W frgb 33 0 0; #W brgb 60 178 173; #W rgb2 0 95 255; #W rgb3 0 0 0; #W rgb4 0 0 0; #W rgb5 190 137 255; #W rgb6 100 100 100; #W rgb7 100 100 100; #P newex 414 24 107 196617 loadmess set myinput; #P user waveform~ 414 46 118 42 3 9; #W mode select; #W mouseoutput continuous; #W unit ms; #W grid 1000.; #W ticks 0; #W labels 1; #W vlabels 0; #W vticks 1; #W bpm 120. 4.; #W frgb 33 0 0; #W brgb 60 178 173; #W rgb2 0 95 255; #W rgb3 0 0 0; #W rgb4 0 0 0; #W rgb5 190 137 255; #W rgb6 100 100 100; #W rgb7 100 100 100; #P newex 324 369 106 196617 buffer~ myloop 8000; #P newex 324 349 110 196617 buffer~ myinput 8000; #P comment 211 25 199 196617 Space bar starts/stops loop and overdub; #P connect 34 0 33 0; #P fasten 34 0 23 0 115 286 149 286; #P fasten 41 0 30 0 305 210 198 210; #P connect 30 0 20 0; #P connect 27 0 21 0; #P connect 21 0 18 0; #P fasten 23 0 18 0 149 312 211 312; #P fasten 20 0 18 0 198 308 211 308; #P fasten 33 0 19 0 115 338 211 338; #P connect 18 0 19 0; #P fasten 19 0 17 0 211 393 211 393; #P fasten 19 0 17 1 211 398 245 398; #P fasten 19 0 22 0 211 398 268 398; #P connect 40 0 41 0; #P connect 45 0 26 0; #P connect 26 0 29 0; #P connect 4 0 3 0; #P connect 27 0 15 0; #P fasten 26 0 13 0 330 315 475 315; #P connect 15 0 13 0; #P connect 13 0 14 0; #P fasten 41 0 28 0 305 98 524 98; #P connect 28 0 27 0; #P connect 7 0 6 0; #P connect 6 0 5 0; #P fasten 27 0 44 0 524 187 607 187 607 128 624 128; #P connect 44 0 35 0; #P connect 27 0 9 0; #P connect 9 0 8 0; #P connect 8 0 10 0; #P connect 10 0 12 0; #P fasten 25 0 12 0 797 418 644 418; #P fasten 28 0 44 1 524 126 655 126; #P fasten 31 0 10 1 700 378 661 378; #P fasten 44 1 36 0 655 154 668 154; #P fasten 10 0 24 0 644 398 678 398; #P fasten 43 0 32 0 743 315 700 315; #P connect 32 0 31 0; #P connect 42 0 46 0; #P connect 46 0 43 0; #P connect 43 0 11 0; #P connect 11 0 31 1; #P connect 27 0 25 0; #P pop; From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:17:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4162D3BED2; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=hx6zrKrw75AIoRvIwUNR4srgAXzc1cZzQpx3hZWT4B4=; b=txx96aco/LAkxMe2ddGBc5ChzzgF/UA3cI9FV9DM0gcMJCjH5hAdOUW1AHPj5conj1HqnuXT+GNyOI3s/oWC3E7w7KpkEnGOt9FdIN3z/XeUzXm4QWQAuj10XWu/crNg+07lqDH6g+mB/LnkqQJOBmATtQDzSXyeMlONQDW3sNM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qMee613E7ZOo9K1Ldr70XaFi8QrmltZdWU0XkXg7t1VzQFm2rFHBZ2ApVz3e22veSVyNDcSAj9N2ItKaXohIAPvVu8k2r+4AMAVorIyuoO5stjm5w67e4GY2wNL4dVjHLaGNjqyGaMFdYLLfB04deYjR2N05Fc2q7bQar6k9qZA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:17:26 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: db@biink.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 Cc: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3074_17927987.1198703846388" References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3XAxJD.A.gxH.sTscHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77495 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:17:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3074_17927987.1198703846388 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I doubt it. My deal that began in 1997 was initially I got my choice of strings at $2 a pack. In 2000 out of my own initiative and dime I began doing clinic performances in Sam Ash stores with GHS as the product vendor. I basically do a 1 to 1.5 hr performance, talk about guitar technique, give away string sets which in recent years has dewindled from 30 packs to 5 per clinic and additionally a couple of hats or t-shirts. From that time to present I've gotten strings to free since I'm doing these performances. I've tried for all that time to get more financial support but as their nat'l sales guy has continually echo'd there 'is not that much profit in strings'. Though I do actually like them for fretted work and have felt somewhat supported I've scaled back on clinics until I can get preferablly a guitar vendor to really get behind me or some source that can make them doable. I've done a bunch generally when I'm at NAMM (though not this year) or in my area here in NY and occasionally at a store near Nashville when I've been down there. Point of all this is to echo a bit about my relationship with GHS and to say I would not look at them to outfit the whole list. I'm happy to provide the contact of Artist Relationship guy there and you can introduce yourself. All this said, last year from a NAMM contact I received a similiar offer from d'Addario whose fretless chrome strings I love and frankly GHS does not make a good fretless set that I find as good however I chose to not take d... 's deal as overall GHS is a good product and I've never been into the idea of 'product jumping' unless it was really a strong serious offer. Hope this helps. Best Jim On Dec 26, 2007 4:01 PM, David Beardsley wrote: > Jim Goodin wrote: > > > > I'm a GHS Strings and Seagull > > endorser. > > > Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3074_17927987.1198703846388 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I doubt it.  My deal that began in 1997 was initially I got my choice of strings at $2 a pack.  In 2000 out of my own initiative and dime I began doing clinic performances in Sam Ash stores with GHS as the product vendor.  I basically do a 1 to 1.5 hr performance, talk about guitar technique, give away string sets which in recent years has dewindled from 30 packs to 5 per clinic and additionally a couple of hats or t-shirts.  From that time to present I've gotten strings to free since I'm doing these performances.  I've tried for all that time to get more financial support but as their nat'l sales guy has continually echo'd there 'is not that much profit in strings'.  Though I do actually like them for fretted work and have felt somewhat supported I've scaled back on clinics until I can get preferablly a guitar vendor to really get behind me or some source that can make them doable.  I've done a bunch generally when I'm at NAMM (though not this year) or in my area here in NY and occasionally at a store near Nashville when I've been down there.
 
Point of all this is to echo a bit about my relationship with GHS and to say I would not look at them to outfit the whole list.  I'm happy to provide the contact of Artist Relationship guy there and you can introduce yourself.
 
All this said, last year from a NAMM contact I received a similiar offer from d'Addario whose fretless chrome strings I love and frankly GHS does not make a good fretless set that I find as good however I chose to not take d... 's deal as overall GHS is a good product and I've never been  into the idea of 'product jumping' unless it was really a strong serious offer.
 
Hope this helps.
 
Best
 
Jim

On Dec 26, 2007 4:01 PM, David Beardsley <db@biink.com> wrote:
Jim Goodin wrote:
>
> I'm a GHS Strings < http://www.ghsstrings.com/> and Seagull
> <http://www.seagullguitars.com/> endorser.


Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us.

--
* David Beardsley
* microtonal guitar
* http://biink.com





--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3074_17927987.1198703846388-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:38:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D94FD3BECF; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4772C9D0.6000101@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:38:24 -0600 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.14 (Windows/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:38:29 +0000 (UTC) How 'bout just the people you played with? :-D I believe the good Mr. Beardsley was kidding, though considering the disproportionate number of us who sling the six-string, a few thousand packs of strings wouldn't go to waste... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:49:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E8D3BEDA; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=f4f1UnSJIi0Vmh4Xcyf0b8ygJuDGVyeycuI/s+E6qZ8=; b=ihDO8uXdwYi6E5Yv8CiC80dla1FO/CVHV0d2cj7PbOJOwenNwHiHQPz4UxleVxH3CWxG/mIEGUM73Ptb6u/8mt2fv6zfOYJaTZIAz+GfJS8pfEHqnNgsNnp3d241PcZ3Ma9cPTFqJpNUd5phHb58inD4HUIhm0wyq8dSR7vvHR0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=TLqlv2N+vFcKKHFPPNvHBl2xOwYRSt/H/L+axfkBy4W9NW1K3P0HYvdF7V/zq6zoDRjJL/eBD83MMt4RIKRtT5wTMRy/wmT5XLuKH/jEFNr46RnOpvn8jfOwxK9jme4OGt4qoX8kzMerF1Ftpk5HHN6hm1txTxSiSYrAKyS3MaM= Message-ID: <538a41560712261349o720fca27rcba0ce774edcdff4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:49:31 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: vortex power supply MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: aef15a949cf1ee8f Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:49:33 +0000 (UTC) Well, I definitely owe a big thanks to all of you who replied to my query. It's refreshing, and seems all too rare on the Internet these days, to get replies that are actually helpful and not derailing/condescending. I suppose that's just a reflection of the quality of discussion this mailing list has maintained. Someone had linked an eBay store selling Line6 / Lexicon / Digitech / Alesis / etc. adapters for fair prices but seemingly high shipping costs. Though in the auction tag lines, he designates one or two brands, the inner text states that they're suitable for Digitech, Line6, Alesis, etc. fitting those power requirements. On the photos that don't show a "restickered" adapter, the markings seem deliberately obscured with the camera/photoshop. I decided I won't trust that person to carefully select adapters for devices more than just about anyone else. As it turned out, I noted one response stated that the Vortex requires slightly less than the other modules, and noted that my abandoned Alesis SR-16 adapter provides over 800mA at 9V, and of course, is designed for an audio device with digital and analog circuits. I tried it out for just under an hour, touching the pack every couple of minutes, and found that it wasn't noticeably heating up at all. I'm using that sparingly, shutting it off after I'm done, until I decide I can squeeze yet another overblown manufacturer PSU, or can verify precisely what is required. I might connect my multimeter in serial with the Alesis 9V and see exactly how much current it's drawing, but the holidays are time-consuming and draining over here. Take care, Ry From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 21:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB8B63BEDD; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1898 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:58:47 UTC Message-ID: <4772C665.6080001@biink.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:23:49 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Goodin , loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 21:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > Point of all this is to echo a bit about my relationship with GHS and > to say I would not look at them to outfit the whole list. Come on...I'm joking! -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 22:06:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F8F43BEE7; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:06:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=YlQ4y+7vRS7IVB3RaxNH+LH36zLc3dRA8pUqDCsFss8=; b=lF1jlqc2w2J35cQwpwaHGVMnsmXnYhbpAsa+hh/667DF6qnrmqANtyI+LWLCDCNNmfm8F7wsN0cQJpvg1V5AhLL9bgh2lqdOS8ycy7umJoledjXTzCvNi//LNFKkQg/yYJ8hegstA/yVAGd9TpRfi1ckJBje1MXAT0pFcA39P14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=UWFEOpSE16fZ+/dpa50jfFg9crg0Td/ks3VMxx7aHoAqOwLiv+AfaSTG5GYm+8hNEBJwBD9hgJJrUPswXWcJ2W0FgYHIW+QyfsOMN74utrql7yQfaLk5bbNeFHd3UQwqhxIp6GAOms2nBZ/PS6/pJnUeJuF7sVVZu+WU2EtiVdU= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712261406j54ddfd7ar6538442c4b9dd39b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:06:29 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 In-Reply-To: <4772C9D0.6000101@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3305_19234794.1198706789387" References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> <4772C9D0.6000101@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:06:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3305_19234794.1198706789387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I tend to be gullible as hell so natch I took him seriously. It's too many years of 'what did you bring me to eat...' that all said it's often just introducing one-self and asking... cheers in the new year j On Dec 26, 2007 4:38 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > How 'bout just the people you played with? :-D > > I believe the good Mr. Beardsley was kidding, though considering the > disproportionate number of us who sling the six-string, a few thousand > packs of strings wouldn't go to waste... > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > > > > > Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us. > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3305_19234794.1198706789387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I tend to be gullible as hell so natch I took him seriously.  It's too many years of 'what did you bring me to eat...'
 
that all said it's often just introducing one-self and asking...
 
cheers in the new year
 
j

On Dec 26, 2007 4:38 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com> wrote:
How 'bout just the people you played with? :-D

I believe the good Mr. Beardsley was kidding, though considering the
disproportionate number of us who sling the six-string, a few thousand
packs of strings wouldn't go to waste...

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com
>
>
>     Can you get us free strings? Not just me...all of us.
>




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com , Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_3305_19234794.1198706789387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 22:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EADFF3BECD; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4772D44C.70706@biink.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:23:08 -0500 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Merry Christmas to all and all good things in 2008 References: <9e0440a60712241826q51269aaid834de5eb1b364f0@mail.gmail.com> <00e601c846be$8eba1730$5901a8c0@bobdell> <9e0440a60712261243s200d1c91icef08e4060b5471a@mail.gmail.com> <4772C119.9010907@biink.com> <9e0440a60712261317g78cfca7et3d7615e48ed321ff@mail.gmail.com> <4772C9D0.6000101@mhorse.com> <9e0440a60712261406j54ddfd7ar6538442c4b9dd39b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712261406j54ddfd7ar6538442c4b9dd39b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Jim Goodin wrote: > I tend to be gullible as hell so natch I took him seriously. It's too > many years of 'what did you bring me to eat...' > > that all said it's often just introducing one-self and asking... > > cheers in the new year Yes! Happy New Ear! ...now pull my finger. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 22:28:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCEE43BEC7; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:28:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1649 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:28:08 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=VC+7504jSVstgB6HA8P3J9zpYDjwW02MLprtrS0EgDg=; b=UWfWngq8RIhJZApMEE4ubKdBBxPdM89h1eiJL/V1/NL6TCDjAw9wr+PiYaNfuN+hS3mfNKNF7viIRpZTv4l1sI2ytWUsDSWoZjwvuEq45ErjX2H4DRZ9H2CzRVgZWCz2tYxlrYsJV72P/IxpXnkz5jcyIUmB0XNjTC5EghkOC9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=FrzE9SNEPbRbEHPH5Edo9E/v9G2TvHc35TS9JFLVLNWDofUf8Te+9jIvmr66lZyAhCXSjY1GEKf6AHkv9kn8xulWOEM7tPm7Em9t2iFOk8apSiPb3JVd6RybjaGVyGif19x2GgwTCjkmt4UFJ6qOUbb+8/3N1oHE/+Xjoyr5nSE= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712261400x5b4352e9p4e50d6d45d723767@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:00:37 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Golden Age of Electronic/New Age Music In-Reply-To: <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071210192208.23030@gmx.net> <748559.93771.qm@web38409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <588ce11d0712101243t7e1bd70eu802b125cf96154b1@mail.gmail.com> <4772904B.8020809@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:28:08 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 26, 2007 9:32 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > But Stockhausen's music was about a higher order of groove, and more I don't disagree. There's always been a reluctance in Western Music to embrace rhythm, and I'd argue it was only with Reich and Glass that it has been incorporated into Western Art music. For me though, it was the incorporation of experimentation with timbre _and_ rhythm that music really gets exciting. I'd cite Miles Davis, and more recently Nils Petter Molvaer. Jon Hassell's concept of a "coffee colored" music is most appealing to me. But I'm not knocking Stockhausen. Trans and Mantra would both be desert island discs on my list. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 22:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 642E53BECC; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <071001c84810$4017fe50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <06be01c847d6$ed3276e0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008601c847de$1aad3590$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: Music robots from Toyota Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 15:40:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5pYCSB.A.cbD.DhtcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, that's nuts. All this is sort of freaky and weird. I'm not sure whether if in 25 years, if I went to to a jazz club and saw an all robot/android jazz combo whether I would be totally intrigued and amazed, or horrified beyond belief. So long as we don't become the Eloi or Morlocks over time, all is good. :) Kris >i suppose you have seen/heard the "giant steps"-robot...? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjONQNUU8Fg > > > tilmann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Krispen Hartung" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:49 PM > Subject: Music robots from Toyota > > >> Music robots from Toyota... >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmoTJFScMY (violin) >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqubUfKrDIY&feature=related (trumpet) and >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_eUiXRhmj0&NR=1 >> >> Sort of scary, but so long as they don't start thinking and creating, I >> won't feel threatened. :) >> >> and dancers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57eUpKSQ-c&feature=related >> >> Kris >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 22:56:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 16FAD3BEC7; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <071001c84810$4017fe50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <06be01c847d6$ed3276e0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <008601c847de$1aad3590$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> <071001c84810$4017fe50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7DA9F5B2-7566-42D5-B910-E7EEF77325D1@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: Music robots from Toyota Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 17:56:32 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7LyYAD.A.vDE.kwtcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 22:56:37 +0000 (UTC) Wow, thats horrible. But, they could probably improve on Tommy Flanagan's solo. :) On Dec 26, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Yeah, that's nuts. All this is sort of freaky and weird. I'm not > sure whether if in 25 years, if I went to to a jazz club and saw an > all robot/android jazz combo whether I would be totally intrigued > and amazed, or horrified beyond belief. So long as we don't > become the Eloi or Morlocks over time, all is good. :) > > Kris > > > >> i suppose you have seen/heard the "giant steps"-robot...? >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjONQNUU8Fg >> >> >> tilmann >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" >> >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 4:49 PM >> Subject: Music robots from Toyota >> >> >>> Music robots from Toyota... >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQmoTJFScMY (violin) >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqubUfKrDIY&feature=related >>> (trumpet) and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_eUiXRhmj0&NR=1 >>> >>> Sort of scary, but so long as they don't start thinking and >>> creating, I won't feel threatened. :) >>> >>> and dancers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r57eUpKSQ- >>> c&feature=related >>> >>> Kris >>> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Dec 26 23:07:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BB763BECF; Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=r4Er3i5qZ1KfvhjIT8pB414HYzaPKV+Nr5ZQrehQapo=; b=NKsuMW6gec82YRcKYC1iehJSiR5za5twEj7PIDfutQBzCuM3ShgnhrUDorlC9tPXGpNAncV8jAxZfOVU0SpQSdqRZj2KNQ0mtuwHtUts0rDvbxYHNaUGqkYZYGFHLHyZF9Qu2c4BzrIhF1U2iStT2qGNpv5OpwbkX2WiiHSNgB0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=AuO2ZsLtDIkDG8zOIig7u0ZcSz2295yKOB/fgxlYjXgzpmS0iPGJxngpqvcm956GlBbZV7MVmp29GG/9CXp7b/A7teI7HIM9XhwGX4OcGlZ3gIVIkJyVQXZLNH2GXxtHAt3TgAB29kPQIENlb+zrorc2ruKeNa06Irulg5xKVXY= Message-ID: <538a41560712261507n7aaf90e9j9835396a42ea685b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 18:07:04 -0500 From: "Ryan Reid" Sender: hanginonthetele@gmail.com To: loopers-delight Subject: on grooves, drum machines, etc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14322_5620106.1198710424439" X-Google-Sender-Auth: dd7552fbd97f1009 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 23:07:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14322_5620106.1198710424439 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I find a lot of delight in syncing (i.e. not externally triggering) two drum machines with different pattern lengths, quantization "feel" (seems to be more than just raw PPQ spec in older machines), and occasionally swing settings (here the actual PPQ probably plays more of a role). While not especially useful in and of itself, it gives me some nice material to sample and splice up (conservatively, not DnB chopping for me). This is of course not in search of "human feel" or familiar idea of "groove" but something of an analog to it. And with sampling, one can introduce similar but subtly different snippets, differentially triggered by arbitrary differences in velocity. I've recently been toying with using logic gates in modular programs for some arbitrary but "automatic" and in-sync triggers. And then there's screwing with beat markers on loops in Ableton Live and overdubbing triggered samples to the pleasant "mistakes." There are times, of course, when a single metronomic 4-bar pattern is what is called for. Last year I saw the duo Genders open for ADULT., using only single patterns (DR-660 I think) for looonng drawn out pieces and they wound up being a lot more interesting live than ADULT. I've had a lot of thoughts about ol' Karlheinz and "chance" and (lack of) repetition recently but I'm not yet prepared to refine them into a concise post. :) Later, perhaps. Take care, Ry ------=_Part_14322_5620106.1198710424439 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I find a lot of delight in syncing (i.e. not externally triggering) two drum machines with different pattern lengths, quantization "feel" (seems to be more than just raw PPQ spec in older machines), and occasionally swing settings (here the actual PPQ probably plays more of a role). While not especially useful in and of itself, it gives me some nice material to sample and splice up (conservatively, not DnB chopping for me). This is of course not in search of "human feel" or familiar idea of "groove" but something of an analog to it. And with sampling, one can introduce similar but subtly different snippets, differentially triggered by arbitrary differences in velocity. I've recently been toying with using logic gates in modular programs for some arbitrary but "automatic" and in-sync triggers. And then there's screwing with beat markers on loops in Ableton Live and overdubbing triggered samples to the pleasant "mistakes."

There are times, of course, when a single metronomic 4-bar pattern is what is called for. Last year I saw the duo Genders open for ADULT., using only single patterns (DR-660 I think) for looonng drawn out pieces and they wound up being a lot more interesting live than ADULT.

I've had a lot of thoughts about ol' Karlheinz and "chance" and (lack of) repetition recently but I'm not yet prepared to refine them into a concise post. :) Later, perhaps.

Take care,
Ry
------=_Part_14322_5620106.1198710424439-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 00:06:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B895B3BEC7; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: RE: Happy Cringle Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:06:29 -0800 Message-ID: <00b301c8481c$547be8f0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchIFYaa0W5KQ2FTTW2TUxirZpEpEwABHlWQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 00:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Wishing all of you a Merry Multi- Denominational Holiday Season, and a fantastic New Year, I'm looking forward to the New Year and excited to be going down to NAMM with Bob and Rick and Steve. I'm also going to be demonstrating the Gordius Lil' Giant midi controller to control the Looperlative, which I have just received and hope to get busy programming as soon as the relatives leave....... Also I'm hoping to bring a Cruz tone Lap Steel down to do some demoing with at the LP booth. I will also be performing On Friday morning at 8:10 A.M for twenty minutes (Yikes!) In one of the Hilton Ballrooms , not sure which yet, For the Museum of Making Music's breakfast, yum yum I can smell the waffles already. I'm not sure if it's an invitation or NAMM members only deal or not, but if any one is really interested (yeh sure, like you musician types are really going to get up for an 8 am gig), check back with me later in the New Year. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 01:58:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B03C33BEC2; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Andrew Koenig" To: References: <00b301c8481c$547be8f0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> In-Reply-To: <00b301c8481c$547be8f0$6601a8c0@williamsteed> Subject: RE: Happy Cringle Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:57:47 -0500 Message-ID: <002001c8482b$e1413600$a3c3a200$@org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchIFYaa0W5KQ2FTTW2TUxirZpEpEwABHlWQAARw2iA= Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: <0a3LQC.A.t6D.qawcHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 01:58:02 +0000 (UTC) > (yeh sure, like you musician types are really going > to get up for an 8 am gig) I imagine you'll find some people who'll stay up that late. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 11:07:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46DEB3BEB9; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--744344908 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:07:50 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:07:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--744344908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!! you folks know it ook me 6 months to effectively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same channel!!!! click...hold...click, click, ... click, over again. i started doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot controller after all and enjoyed foot coding. if your loops arent synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world', perhaps the clips have different warp settings once in Live? i dont think they'll loop unless warp is ON, and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but works perfectly when MidiStroke is running. Its nonsense, but if i have FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages, its unstoppable. did that make any sense? rithers On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote: > Hi Travis, > > Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi > cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. > Removing it solved the problem immediately. > > However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various > audio recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different > audio clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in > loop mode. Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been > searching everywhere on the net but found no answer and the manual > doesn't talk abt my problem > > cheers, > Wendy > > > On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each > button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to > zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. > You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or > you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a > less labor intensive manner. > > The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything > out, in case you were wondering. > > TH > > On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am > having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > > > > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly > with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have > set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal > 2 stopping the track. > > > > > -- > cheers, > > Wendy Phua > http://www.wendyphua.com > http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua --Apple-Mail-2--744344908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
oh the FCB1010 = DEBACLE!!!!!!!!  you folks know it ook me 6 months to effectively = program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same = channel!!!!
click...hold...click, click,  ...   =   click,  over again.    i started doing it with my = elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot controller = after all and enjoyed foot coding.  
if your loops arent = synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world',    perhaps = the clips have different warp settings  once in Live?   i dont = think  they'll loop unless warp is ON, 
and if youre = using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" warp = function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. 
ive = found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but = works perfectly when MidiStroke is running.   Its nonsense, but if = i have FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard = messages, 
its unstoppable.   

did that make any = sense?
rithers

  =  



On Dec 26, 2007, = at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote:

Hi = Travis,

Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it = was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing = things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately.

However I = now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio = recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio = clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. = Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere = on the net but found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my = problem

cheers,
Wendy


On = Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> = wrote:
As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to = each
button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps).  You'll = want to
zero out all of those before you try to use it with something = else.
You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each = patch, or
you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do = things in a
less labor intensive manner.

The FCB "reset to = factory presets" function doesn't zero everything
out, in case you = were wondering.

TH

On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com> = wrote:
> hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, = and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. =
>
>
> >
> > Basically i'm using the FCB = to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to = recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the = Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track. =




-- =
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua=

= --Apple-Mail-2--744344908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 11:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FC9B3BEC5; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:52:06 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <477391E6.3040606@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:53:54 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. 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Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 12:21:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E06D33BEB9; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:21:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_cd72431b-beb3-4b98-870e-a3fba2ddeb34_" X-Originating-IP: [151.49.1.93] From: Lorenzo Orlandini To: Subject: RE: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:21:35 +0100 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2007 12:21:35.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[05CA2A70:01C84883] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:21:36 +0000 (UTC) --_cd72431b-beb3-4b98-870e-a3fba2ddeb34_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To anyone who is having trouble programming FCB1010 for Ableton Live: I wen= t through a lot of swearing before I could program the FCB satisfactorily.= =20 Here are a few links that helped me greatly:=20 http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D11211&highlight=3Dfcb+1010 http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3D55557&postdays=3D0&postorder= =3Dasc&start=3D15&sid=3Dbc9cd6bc9d9dd62497990c1d50ff1179 http://bl0rg.net/~manuel/fcb1010-mappings/ greetings from Italy L From: rithma@rithma.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:07:50 -0800 oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!! you folks know it ook me 6 months to effect= ively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same channe= l!!!!click...hold...click, click, ... click, over again. i started= doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foo= t controller after all and enjoyed foot coding. if your loops arent synchi= ng up in Ableton but are in 'the real world', perhaps the clips have dif= ferent warp settings once in Live? i dont think they'll loop unless war= p is ON, and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the = "Pitch" warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. ive found MY F= CB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but works perfectly= when MidiStroke is running. Its nonsense, but if i have FCB tell Midistr= oke to send Keyboard messages, its unstoppable. did that make any sense?r= ithers =20 On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote:Hi Travis, Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable = going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it = solved the problem immediately. However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio r= ecordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips st= ored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you ha= ve any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but f= ound no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem=20 cheers, Wendy On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or=20 you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a less labor intensive manner. The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything out, in case you were wondering.=20 TH On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a m= onster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.=20 > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with L= ive. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (b= ank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.= =20 --=20 cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua=20 _________________________________________________________________ Ti piace giocare con le lettere? Prova ABCLive! http://messengergiochi.it.msn.com/= --_cd72431b-beb3-4b98-870e-a3fba2ddeb34_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To anyone who is= having trouble programming FCB1010 for Ableton Live: I went through a lot = of swearing before I could program the FCB satisfactorily.

Here are= a few links that helped me greatly:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/v= iewtopic.php?t=3D11211&highlight=3Dfcb+1010
http://www.ableton.com/f= orum/viewtopic.php?t=3D55557&postdays=3D0&postorder=3Dasc&start= =3D15&sid=3Dbc9cd6bc9d9dd62497990c1d50ff1179
http://bl0rg.net/~manue= l/fcb1010-mappings/

greetings from Italy

L


<= br>
From: rithma@rithma.org
To: Lo= opers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi= Mapping Problem
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:07:50 -0800

oh th= e FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!!  you folks know it ook me 6 months to effect= ively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same channe= l!!!!
click...hold...click, click,  ...     click,=  over again.    i started doing it with my elbows when my h= ands got tired, the realized it was a foot controller after all and enjoyed= foot coding.  
if your loops arent synching up in Ableton b= ut are in 'the real world',    perhaps the clips have different w= arp settings  once in Live?   i dont think  they'll loop unl= ess warp is ON, 
and if youre using the same BPM as the orig= inal, probably use the "Pitch" warp function so as not to add artifacts or = CPU bog. 
ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when direc= tly mapped to Live, but works perfectly when MidiStroke is running.   = Its nonsense, but if i have FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages,&= nbsp;
its unstoppable.   

did that make any sense?
rither= s

  &nb= sp;



On Dec 26, 2007, at 9= :04 AM, wendy phua wrote:

<= blockquote>Hi Travis,

Thanks for responding. Actually I just discove= red that it was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was scr= ewing things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately.

However= I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio recordin= gs do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips stored on= my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you have any = idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but found no= answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem

cheers,
Wendy=


On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis = Hartnett <travishartnett@gma= il.com> wrote:
As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assi= gned to each
button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps).  Y= ou'll want to
zero out all of those before you try to use it with someth= ing else.
You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each pa= tch, or
you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things = in a
less labor intensive manner.

The FCB "reset to factory prese= ts" function doesn't zero everything
out, in case you were wondering.
TH

On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi, i'm v= ery new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a= headache with a problem in my midi mapping.
>
>
> ><= br>> > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the f= ly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set p= edal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping t= he track.




= --
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua


Interviste, concerti, news e = videoclip! Solo su MSN Video! MSN Video = --_cd72431b-beb3-4b98-870e-a3fba2ddeb34_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 16:59:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 391AE3BEB9; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 643845711 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: vortex power supply Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:59:01 -0000 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DC59F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <538a41560712261349o720fca27rcba0ce774edcdff4@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: vortex power supply Thread-Index: AchIqceZRTJ+5fwXSTOtD+OeZbiy4A== References: <538a41560712261349o720fca27rcba0ce774edcdff4@mail.gmail.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2007 16:59:03.0793 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8F06610:01C848A9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) ryan's post just reminded me- we have taken to using a line-6 power supply (the one meant for the DL4) to run a jamman, & it works fine. guess the same would do for a vortex, since the lexicon supplied supplies were the same. I'm hanging on to my unused vortex now, in case I need parts for one of the jammans..... my guitarist has asked me to bring out the mix control to a pedal- the first time in 13 years he's asked for a modification to the jamman. I'll let you know how it goes.... duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 17:24:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A38E13BEB6; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WTiFzfQtDzIVmwWeJpUO+ZE+yokpgNUo23nxIZBXQrjHsR7x9HWF0AQZ29SKGBd7U8BE8VNWEitNylJKAMQo8602PZRqcy0Rjr07qswvTgYvM2nkDZNhvWBF/P6SiCu1uHRe4vqd+3o1HChkaAh0rhN0e4iCPIPASwA6HaRBL8s=; X-YMail-OSG: vpPUokQVM1kykAwb0zPVWMljggd5GvwH3Tmjz2zkSqUL1wbDxIqXQeExIE0nxd1iR7lPcuHe5TMXaKnyi57OXE9Oj5t.bFcVmZjRR33hHfBaBhQFyhA- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:23:58 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Subject: Re: on grooves, drum machines, etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <538a41560712261507n7aaf90e9j9835396a42ea685b@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <215936.84375.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Oh yeah man I definitely know what you mean!!! Although I have just been using the drum machines about 15 years or so. I have recently been using super cheapo depo drum machines and looping thru the boomerang. I then loop another on top taking care of adjusting the levels then I let the real magic start with the slight human variance creating doubling then tripling and so on and so forth until coming back to original but thicker more toneful pattern. The return to the original pattern sometimes takes close to twenty minutes or so! To clarifiy something the original pattern is consistently playing outside of the loop, I also run the drums through fx. Kinda hard to find people to talk to about this. It is a way of great musical inspiration for me, I will often just listen to the beat and layers intermixing for many hours on end kinda inducing a meditative state. Wait till the revelation hits and off I go with the new inspiration that finds its way to me again breaking the monotony of things. Peace Out Brother!!! Thank You and Wishing you many more blessings from loopy delightful inspirations in the new year 2 B!!! All the best "Lightsight" --- Ryan Reid wrote: > I find a lot of delight in syncing (i.e. not externally triggering) two drum > machines with different pattern lengths, quantization "feel" (seems to be > more than just raw PPQ spec in older machines), and occasionally swing > settings (here the actual PPQ probably plays more of a role). While not > especially useful in and of itself, it gives me some nice material to sample > and splice up (conservatively, not DnB chopping for me). This is of course > not in search of "human feel" or familiar idea of "groove" but something of > an analog to it. And with sampling, one can introduce similar but subtly > different snippets, differentially triggered by arbitrary differences in > velocity. I've recently been toying with using logic gates in modular > programs for some arbitrary but "automatic" and in-sync triggers. And then > there's screwing with beat markers on loops in Ableton Live and overdubbing > triggered samples to the pleasant "mistakes." > > There are times, of course, when a single metronomic 4-bar pattern is what > is called for. Last year I saw the duo Genders open for ADULT., using only > single patterns (DR-660 I think) for looonng drawn out pieces and they wound > up being a lot more interesting live than ADULT. > > I've had a lot of thoughts about ol' Karlheinz and "chance" and (lack of) > repetition recently but I'm not yet prepared to refine them into a concise > post. :) Later, perhaps. > > Take care, > Ry > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 17:37:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 538C93BECC; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Jrqmu4CafmRnG9iyHiQ03/cYWQDVf+hkrlWZXfit78E=; b=cAHlZK7sD+g8TXpSPbVEf/wWxJM0JTldGAQnmbkJSuYqfYE1wacSOKkkjFQwRl+jBEAq80sg1mzPduQLdlPgs46QlQQwPl66v9EGR63gvvBl9yaUT77h2bBldPZd4Co7IzHkCa4iDGNNPn5WqR+BTZdkW4OFUFbIl3wY7JU58XM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tuxJUvmc2nhYnJZ4IYYA68CwVdv6CiVPkuf+AqvXJzGafUORktbW8izDxO4iSH0CPQWWrZEO29r7IapWimeiOpOZy5aibYO6/xv8nIfOklCjmNnmqljIDHlkKMsiFnJiNkK3PZfL+vfkMJu7z34vDmhFoJc20pHT5T73EV8DpDU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:37:32 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18362_28393896.1198777052208" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:37:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18362_28393896.1198777052208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi rithers, the clips have the same warp settings once recorded as I've already set the warp preferences. What is the "Pitch" warp function? And I can't use MidiStroke, I'm on PC :( somehow I have feeling it's to do with my preferences on the Live. What should I look out for in settings when I wish to sync up recorded tracks? Thanks, Wendy On Dec 27, 2007 7:07 PM, rithma wrote: > oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!! you folks know it ook me 6 months to > effectively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same > channel!!!! > click...hold...click, click, ... click, over again. i started > doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot > controller after all and enjoyed foot coding. > if your loops arent synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world', > perhaps the clips have different warp settings once in Live? i dont > think they'll loop unless warp is ON, > and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" > warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. > ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but > works perfectly when MidiStroke is running. Its nonsense, but if i have > FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages, > its unstoppable. > > did that make any sense? > rithers > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > Hi Travis, > > Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable > going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it > solved the problem immediately. > > However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio > recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips > stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you > have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but > found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem > > cheers, > Wendy > > > On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > > As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each > > button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to > > zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. > > You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or > > you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a > > less labor intensive manner. > > > > The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything > > out, in case you were wondering. > > > > TH > > > > On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having > > a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly > > with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal > > 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the > > track. > > > > > > > -- > cheers, > > Wendy Phua > http://www.wendyphua.com > http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua > > > -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_18362_28393896.1198777052208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi rithers,

the clips have the same warp settings once recorded as I've already set the warp preferences. What is the "Pitch" warp function? And I can't use MidiStroke, I'm on PC :(

somehow I have feeling it's to do with my preferences on the Live. What should I look out for in settings when I wish to sync up recorded tracks?

Thanks,

Wendy

On Dec 27, 2007 7:07 PM, rithma <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!!  you folks know it ook me 6 months to effectively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same channel!!!!
click...hold...click, click,  ...     click,  over again.    i started doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot controller after all and enjoyed foot coding.  
if your loops arent synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world',    perhaps the clips have different warp settings  once in Live?   i dont think  they'll loop unless warp is ON, 
and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. 
ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but works perfectly when MidiStroke is running.   Its nonsense, but if i have FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages, 
its unstoppable.   

did that make any sense?
rithers

   



On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote:

Hi Travis,

Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately.

However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem

cheers,
Wendy


On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each
button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps).  You'll want to
zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else.
You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or
you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a
less labor intensive manner.

The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything
out, in case you were wondering.

TH

On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com > wrote:
> hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.
>
>
> >
> > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_18362_28393896.1198777052208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 17:38:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B0A363BED5; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=+zwxdNO01rX3Stx9DRnLgGLM/B6utcbsOC6Vu3SVUl0=; b=WWmLBSJVulWLtnD2y5ig/z87OcyXt8h11TqmjyoGIsvCCsb+gLEQj6hvvB7aeOmuTo2p6U2N01iGYFWwElTokhRcaEYJaCW6MGKoI75uAqg4BhW3tHpeHgEf9Koo1uBJhW+o57WYI1C6Y3chxU1j0DE5ZDbNU3Xmgq+iNts1d4Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=v7+SNySsp9/qQS2cW2IV59VYqPdLmrJFXiObA91rbLZAutXfgeh4u5MZ8QzhYHNeBK0ZHSpEHcYPFlTFevTmQ7ZtEri1fm96j4ySkZnRzwqh5oytW2F8NoqZhj1c3yhC3JUdYF4PmeVswstPQjt06ek4XBjfm7n6g7Ci4xgVe9M= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:38:56 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18371_24058252.1198777136368" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:38:58 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18371_24058252.1198777136368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Lorenzo, I've been to these forums already and have yet to find an answer there. But i must agree http://bl0rg.net/~manuel/fcb1010-mappings/is awesome as the sysex file immediately fixed my mapping for me. But now the issue of syncing recorded tracks.......... thanks Wendy On Dec 27, 2007 8:21 PM, Lorenzo Orlandini wrote: > To anyone who is having trouble programming FCB1010 for Ableton Live: I > went through a lot of swearing before I could program the FCB > satisfactorily. > > Here are a few links that helped me greatly: > > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11211&highlight=fcb+1010 > > http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55557&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=bc9cd6bc9d9dd62497990c1d50ff1179 > http://bl0rg.net/~manuel/fcb1010-mappings/ > > greetings from Italy > > L > > > > ------------------------------ > From: rithma@rithma.org > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem > Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:07:50 -0800 > > > oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!! you folks know it ook me 6 months to > effectively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same > channel!!!! > click...hold...click, click, ... click, over again. i started > doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot > controller after all and enjoyed foot coding. > if your loops arent synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world', > perhaps the clips have different warp settings once in Live? i dont > think they'll loop unless warp is ON, > and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" > warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. > ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but > works perfectly when MidiStroke is running. Its nonsense, but if i have > FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages, > its unstoppable. > > did that make any sense? > rithers > > > > > > On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > Hi Travis, > > Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable > going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it > solved the problem immediately. > > However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio > recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips > stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you > have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but > found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem > > cheers, > Wendy > > > On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett > wrote: > > As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each > button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps). You'll want to > zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else. > You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or > you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a > less labor intensive manner. > > The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything > out, in case you were wondering. > > TH > > On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua wrote: > > hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a > monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping. > > > > > > > > > > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with > Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 > (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the > track. > > > > > -- > cheers, > > Wendy Phua > http://www.wendyphua.com > http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua > > > > ------------------------------ > Interviste, concerti, news e videoclip! Solo su MSN Video! MSN Video > -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_18371_24058252.1198777136368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Lorenzo,

I've been to these forums already and have yet to find an answer there. But i must agree http://bl0rg.net/~manuel/fcb1010-mappings/ is awesome as the sysex file immediately fixed my mapping for me. But now the issue of syncing recorded tracks..........

thanks

Wendy

On Dec 27, 2007 8:21 PM, Lorenzo Orlandini < weaviestonder@hotmail.it> wrote:
To anyone who is having trouble programming FCB1010 for Ableton Live: I went through a lot of swearing before I could program the FCB satisfactorily.

Here are a few links that helped me greatly:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11211&highlight=fcb+1010
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=55557&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=bc9cd6bc9d9dd62497990c1d50ff1179
http://bl0rg.net/~manuel/fcb1010-mappings/

greetings from Italy

L



From: rithma@rithma.org
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Ableton Live/FCB1010 Midi Mapping Problem
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 03:07:50 -0800


oh the FCB1010 DEBACLE!!!!!!!!  you folks know it ook me 6 months to effectively program that thing to have 10 banks of CC messages on the same channel!!!!
click...hold...click, click,  ...     click,  over again.    i started doing it with my elbows when my hands got tired, the realized it was a foot controller after all and enjoyed foot coding.  
if your loops arent synching up in Ableton but are in 'the real world',    perhaps the clips have different warp settings  once in Live?   i dont think  they'll loop unless warp is ON, 
and if youre using the same BPM as the original, probably use the "Pitch" warp function so as not to add artifacts or CPU bog. 
ive found MY FCB to be a bit unreliable when directly mapped to Live, but works perfectly when MidiStroke is running.   Its nonsense, but if i have FCB tell Midistroke to send Keyboard messages, 
its unstoppable.   

did that make any sense?
rithers

   



On Dec 26, 2007, at 9:04 AM, wendy phua wrote:

Hi Travis,

Thanks for responding. Actually I just discovered that it was a midi cable going out from my PC into the FCB that was screwing things up. Removing it solved the problem immediately.

However I now have another problem (it never ends) where my various audio recordings do not sync up. However when I play back different audio clips stored on my PC, they all sync up when played back in loop mode. Would you have any idea why this is so? I've been searching everywhere on the net but found no answer and the manual doesn't talk abt my problem

cheers,
Wendy


On Dec 27, 2007 12:58 AM, Travis Hartnett <travishartnett@gmail.com> wrote:
As shipped, the FCB includes a bunch of MIDI messages assigned to each
button (to control the Behringer guitar/bass amps).  You'll want to
zero out all of those before you try to use it with something else.
You can do this manually, but you'll have to do it for each patch, or
you can download the FCB editor and pay them $15 and do things in a
less labor intensive manner.

The FCB "reset to factory presets" function doesn't zero everything
out, in case you were wondering.

TH

On Dec 26, 2007 6:20 AM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com > wrote:
> hi, i'm very new to the world of midi and live looping, and am having a monster of a headache with a problem in my midi mapping.
>
>
> >
> > Basically i'm using the FCB to trigger off recordings on the fly with Live. I managed to get Live to recognise the FCB1010 and have set pedal 1 (bank 00) to trigger the Track Launch button with pedal 2 stopping the track.




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua


Interviste, concerti, news e videoclip! Solo su MSN Video! MSN Video



--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_18371_24058252.1198777136368-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 17:50:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E403BED2; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:50:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 70972 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:50:15 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CN4MGRmo8Lm/TqzopRZSC17SwH/IejC0urPN1Bbm3Y4=; b=rXNSBi1K9j51k4lBBb+OvVViVaqPdSV79UZsJmah2nIWPjBw+q4kT3IaDl8C4UUKPGLBFtjbcQVr3M16MCoHf9jjxi62NdxWbocLWkn+XFNnyShY4PJmsxtJxukLWhf0NFWeY6TGqzISf60pIvNIlZXZs+bL7PGhnAiAcgUr6oY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=aU5cm+4Sm15fJicqOdVG59ddv6PWp+/TyioHQltaGo3fvdCLemQcy1BFtdXT7JtY6O3hbNwwimbVZaV2CLle9d5+eS5eapd/SAmauBx+ihBED6CofMXuKor7kRrJhr6BWS8abEPANtQtFyrMCWJvnffFMMCIfNJQ3XBF4rxaI0Y= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712270950k4bc0aaffx2602b6107fa54d98@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:50:14 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: on grooves, drum machines, etc. In-Reply-To: <215936.84375.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <538a41560712261507n7aaf90e9j9835396a42ea685b@mail.gmail.com> <215936.84375.qm@web34213.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:50:15 +0000 (UTC) That sounds really cool. Any mp3s or samples I could hear? On Dec 27, 2007 9:23 AM, Dan wrote: > Oh yeah man I definitely know what you mean!!! Although I have just been using the drum machines > about 15 years or so. I have recently been using super cheapo depo drum machines and looping thru > the boomerang. I then loop another on top taking care of adjusting the levels then I let the real > magic start with the slight human variance creating doubling then tripling and so on and so forth > until coming back to original but thicker more toneful pattern. The return to the original > pattern sometimes takes close to twenty minutes or so! To clarifiy something the original pattern > is consistently playing outside of the loop, I also run the drums through fx. Kinda hard to find > people to talk to about this. It is a way of great musical inspiration for me, I will often just > listen to the beat and layers intermixing for many hours on end kinda inducing a meditative state. > Wait till the revelation hits and off I go with the new inspiration that finds its way to me > again breaking the monotony of things. > Peace Out Brother!!! Thank You and Wishing you many more blessings > from loopy delightful inspirations in the new year 2 B!!! > All the best "Lightsight" -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 18:47:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 005A43BEC7; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 722 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:47:27 UTC Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: Does anybody have the 1600x editor, PvC? Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 13:34:15 -0500 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E3079@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> In-Reply-To: <20071227172401.3C81A3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Does anybody have the 1600x editor, PvC? Thread-Index: AchIrU9roGI30szMQXKq3MU0lp1m/AACS+/g References: <20071227172401.3C81A3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Dean, Hal " To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2007 18:35:27.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[4046DCA0:01C848B7] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 18:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone. I have a new laptop arriving soon (UPS says tomorrow) and am lining up the software I want to put on it. Alas, I see that the site for my trusty old editor for the Peavey 1600x, PvC, exists no longer. There is an alternative Windows editor, and if necessary I'll switch to that, but I have a ton of saved library files in PvC format. =20 Does anyone out there have this software and if so, would you be willing to send me a copy? Whether I can get it authorized and running is I suppose another matter. In any case, thank in advance for any help, Hal Dean From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 19:49:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2463F3BEB9; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007c01c848c1$b971a560$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <538a41560712261349o720fca27rcba0ce774edcdff4@mail.gmail.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72069DC59F@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: dl-4 power supply Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:50:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18SmU2AfMs5v8Aiturr95E1ysfYHMtIrwVb9Ni o313UCxLR5T/8lIBR9svjvNjPMsxKa9ELmzvXGmgTZOvV7cFw1 glrxY1afq9P1O118l30tyMvpsAxVviA Resent-Message-ID: <9vxRxD.A.XsC.9GAdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 19:49:18 +0000 (UTC) info for dl-4 users: the case says AC power, but my dl-4 also accepted a dc power supply. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: RE: vortex power supply ryan's post just reminded me- we have taken to using a line-6 power supply (the one meant for the DL4) to run a jamman, & it works fine. guess the same would do for a vortex, since the lexicon supplied supplies were the same. I'm hanging on to my unused vortex now, in case I need parts for one of the jammans..... my guitarist has asked me to bring out the mix control to a pedal- the first time in 13 years he's asked for a modification to the jamman. I'll let you know how it goes.... duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 20:17:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 652BA3BEB0; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:15:26 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #559 for December 20, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <477407DE.6070002@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:17:42 +0000 (UTC) http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/071220.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #559 December 20, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight was "The Light In the Shadow" on Spotted Peccary Records. Craig Padilla: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#dec PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kevin Braheny Starflight 1 * Galaxies (Hearts of Space) Radio Massacre Float Lost In Space (Northern Echo) International William Edge Time Chip Soundchamber (Sounds Blue) Arcane hel bound Pulse (none) Spyra Zzyxxsties High Phidelity(Ricochet Dream) Spyra Duplex * High Phidelity(Ricochet Dream) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Craig Padilla The Light In the The Light In the Shadow Shadow (Spotted Peccary) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Craig Padilla. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Genesis" on Spotted Peccary Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site: http://galactictravels.info MySpace: http://myspace.com/galactictravels RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 20:53:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A44A13BEB2; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 15:51:46 -0500 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for December 22, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <47741062.3010208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 20:53:54 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/071222.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #122 December 22, 2007. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Phochos] Healing of the E-dition #16 (Groove) Universal Sin VA [Miles MacMillan] Autoplilot Override E-dition #16 (Groove) VA [Andreas Akwara] Movement IV E-dition #16 (Groove) Klaus Schulze L'age Core Dosburg Online (Revisited) Spyra Kingnewdrum High Phidelity(Ricochet Dream) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Elivia Melody Balance Point Terra Firma (none) Kitaro Kuu The Definitive Collection (Domo) Kitaro Wave of Sand The Definitive Collection (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Spock's Beard With Your Kiss Spock's Beard (InsideOut) Project Creation The Dawn on Pythar Dawn on Pythar (Progrock) Lana Lane Capture the Sun Red Planet Boulevard (Think Tank) Star Castle Lady of the Lake Alive In America (Renaissance) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on January 12. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that came with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. The progdj list is for DJs (obviously!) and band members, record label personnel, promoters, managers, and anyone else interested in seeing what gets played on the air. Need to find who is playing prog on the radio? Go to the progdj list. To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 22:00:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4797C3BEC2; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:00:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--705202831 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Ableton live synch issues Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 14:00:12 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <-mkE_C.A.VXG.uBCdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:00:15 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--705202831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hello wendy.... have - you checked in the 'global' warp setting? -made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by your PC as the original) of all the tracks are the same -if still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the loops (or cut them to) the exact same length -run the ableton audio buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is just right, though that wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho. say has anyone come up with solutions on the RC50 when i was gone? ive resorted to ableton again, this time using sooperlooper. seems quite nice, actually, if i can get it synched. i was looking around on the net and found that even the looperlative doesnt synch to Midi Time code? is this true? is the echoplex the only thing that actually exists? love rithers --Apple-Mail-5--705202831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello = wendy....
have
- you checked in the 'global' warp = setting?
-made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by = your PC as the original) of all the tracks are the same
-if = still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the loops = (or cut them to) the exact same length
-run the ableton audio = buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is just right, though that = wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho.  

say has anyone come up = with solutions on the RC50 when i was gone?    ive resorted to = ableton again, this time using sooperlooper.  
seems = quite nice, actually,  if i can get it synched. =  

i was = looking around on the net and found that even the = looperlative doesnt synch to Midi Time code?  is this = true?
is the echoplex the only thing that actually = exists?


love = rithers
= --Apple-Mail-5--705202831-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 22:48:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33833BEB9; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:48:38 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=3r8b4oRza0iA7vpVf2x1S/wheEpbKXvBH+eh+0FL/9rKvnoDMOaMvfUpaWwv4vQD5UN0IFRMeUKUqo7k/vP3/fenOqB1bbAc8dSTFGqXuj672ZS4TvYZdpoNcHbr70repii2GhdmYLPwa8uDEjr+Bb80cgbaTCHHCW7FiGVLBRE=; X-YMail-OSG: vq33Sh8VM1lnAb_5UV45PXDj9Tc_xB1p5C9nl6hrvL_oBame4rLQgDX6KNuxNgylHjPhaqZ5BTohydRpy9kwC3FWHM2VNx.w_OvdL0r_N5TUdCjX Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:41:56 +0000 (GMT) From: MATTHEW STEVENS Subject: Re: dl-4 power supply To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c848c1$b971a560$19b2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <165250.17007.qm@web86113.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Bloody usefull cheers --- Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > info for dl-4 users: > the case says AC power, but my dl-4 also accepted a > dc power supply. > > tilmann > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Goddard, Duncan" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 5:59 PM > Subject: RE: vortex power supply > > > ryan's post just reminded me- we have taken to using > a line-6 power > supply (the one meant for the DL4) to run a jamman, > & it works fine. > guess the same would do for a vortex, since the > lexicon supplied > supplies were the same. > I'm hanging on to my unused vortex now, in case I > need parts for one of > the jammans..... > my guitarist has asked me to bring out the mix > control to a pedal- the > first time in 13 years he's asked for a modification > to the jamman. > I'll let you know how it goes.... > > duncan. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Dec 27 23:09:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D768E3BEB0; Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> From: "Erdem Helvacioglu" To: Subject: Altered Realities - album of the year Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:08:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B9E_01C848EE.17111170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:09:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B9E_01C848EE.17111170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi to all loopers, I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo = acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of = 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the = other artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill = Frisell, Pole. =20 Here are the links : = http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D27836 http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm =20 Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131 www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 =20 I look fwd to your comments about the album! Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for = 2008! Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ------=_NextPart_000_0B9E_01C848EE.17111170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi to all loopers,
 
I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( = solo=20 acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of = 2007"=20 article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other = artists=20 chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell,=20 Pole.
 
Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D27836
<= A=20 href=3D"">http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm
 Album=20 links : www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9= A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUT= F8
 
I=20 look fwd to your comments about the album!
 
Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best = for=20 2008!
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0B9E_01C848EE.17111170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 00:06:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B27A83BEB2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> In-Reply-To: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> Subject: RE: Altered Realities - album of the year Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:06:38 -0800 Message-ID: <003801c848e5$871b67d0$95523770$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C848A2.78F827D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchI3b+gO6Y+IWZcTEadJuQLBECZ6AAB7F9A Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D3e60077100001f2b.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:06:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C848A2.78F827D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Congratulations!! -Qua From: Erdem Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Altered Realities - album of the year Hi to all loopers, I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole. Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=27836 http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131 www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid= 1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 I look fwd to your comments about the album! Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for 2008! Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C848A2.78F827D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Congratulations!!  =   

-Qua

 

From:= Erdem = Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Altered Realities - album of the = year

 

Hi to all loopers,

 

I am excited to tell you that my solo album = "Altered Realities" ( solo acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been = included on the "Best of 2007" article at "All About Jazz" = and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other artists chosen are = Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole.
 
Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D278= 36
http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm
 
Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/d= p/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125= 629?ie=3DUTF8
 
I look fwd to your comments about the album!

 

Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish = you all the best for 2008!

 

Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C848A2.78F827D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 00:44:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A28E3BEB8; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <35CD96CB-0C0A-40BA-B470-3DEA14518554@rithma.org> From: rithma To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Ableton live synch issues Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:44:07 -0800 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:44:39 +0000 (UTC) also, check if 'loop quantize' is on... thats probably the big one... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 01:10:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64C303BEC7; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:10:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=spW6/Z+9aRQTBWZz9sIcDdzENIZYUzr2+VSh5Ah7y3M=; b=jh7LMs7Q1cFYApliQfT9HIJ5uA440TV6gq8MigLdVfVNOh6nS9fSK76Ol1GgVLZkQ/TT9Yw5JeIyaSHGnaCl1gIBnrruebfBA4kbilxMeLMORi4Yvna1jisuMSfwXOSmgbjtIgq0M7AT59oujffa9AOEjH3tHfBrRcltpEkIhro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nz1o5IKUSyGqlo+zYCKlMhMRQzUK45I1LYpZ7VX0EXECfYyZK7pxV0M/MKefjk8zixs34JzaWd+qLGot6i0hl3HVWwLF+iTb8P7BxsWG4HHjXGtiB8d00uLbS2KZ3amfar7KstIaBBa6VmwYqoCcjAdzEAFMeBo503X8zZr144E= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 02:10:42 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Altered Realities - album of the year In-Reply-To: <003801c848e5$871b67d0$95523770$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21513_30374789.1198804242825" References: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> <003801c848e5$871b67d0$95523770$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 01:10:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21513_30374789.1198804242825 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline happy to hear that from a loop artist ;-) some days before there was some chit chatting here in LD about your album! ... ... time for me to check it out! regards, raul. 2007/12/28, Qua Veda : > > Congratulations!! > > -Qua > > > > *From:* Erdem Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Altered Realities - album of the year > > > > Hi to all loopers, > > > > I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo > acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of > 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other > artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole. > > Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=27836 > http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm > > Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131 > > www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 > > I look fwd to your comments about the album! > > > > Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for > 2008! > > > > Erdem Helvacioglu > www.erdemhelvacioglu.com > www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_21513_30374789.1198804242825 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline happy to hear that from a loop artist ;-)
some days before there was some chit chatting
here in LD about your album! ...

... time for me to check it out!

regards,
raul.

2007/12/28, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com>:

Congratulations!!    

-Qua

 

From: Erdem Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Altered Realities - album of the year

 

Hi to all loopers,

 

I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole.
 
Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=27836
http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm
 
Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid=1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8
 
I look fwd to your comments about the album!

 

Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for 2008!

 

 

 




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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 06:02:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3EB0D3BEAF; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:02:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com. Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 398 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:02:44 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=zo8R5rCUJ4QBY1uGnkaZnOLP1sFMlKnrpUlcvHmoR/Y=; b=Tz4w7dumst3XBgscmJzcLgPbNs199f/cQpGJ7CRkUZlYN/ZKRLmn3+IKB6NBUEsd07oJJ2w3hRxxqW9LHMoPF6zYoZsXtPMvF+KEm3WBbYzmuDeGW/5tD3v0cmWcImQf+CpIZgSYmlZyE2QyeC2L//Ns1AKom7VVE1sK0lTVSdM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Oh92EIX9Wo/XqTTS0t4dTFWz+vY6UW4WQFU8Sxbxj659VhuHBdJqotMCebVocprDTeSsBFN2ccjCXGKgGcH20V5YM1DlySuaDpfFcgL/1Gty4cOea4qhiCVBVguPaorlNzHHa9nuKn5Mdo58N2XycSfxuzYzVxYeXTiKLvirw9U= Message-ID: <697354990712272156t1b6365capfa9fc679b1f8c47a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 21:56:05 -0800 From: "Bryce Avary" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Question need answered regarding Loopers! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19977_3951101.1198821365874" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:02:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19977_3951101.1198821365874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hey everyone, My name is Bryce and I am new to the looper list. I'm in a band that tours full time and I had a question regarding loopers. On recordings I play all of the instruments but live have a band. For our next headlining tour I would love to set up loopers on each instrument on stage and create a song from scratch in front of the audience. My biggest question is by doing this I would be starting on the drums and was wondering if there are any loop stations that come with more than one input / how many inputs does the largest looper have? Are there any suggestions on what the best looper for this type of thing is? I'm wanting to actually go out and purchase a few before the end of the year (super last minute). Please let me know, thanks! PEACE Bryce ------=_Part_19977_3951101.1198821365874 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hey everyone,
My name is Bryce and I am new to the looper list.  I'm in a band that tours full time and I had a question regarding loopers.  On recordings I play all of the instruments but live have a band.  For our next headlining tour I would love to set up loopers on each instrument on stage and create a song from scratch in front of the audience.  My biggest question is by doing this I would be starting on the drums and was wondering if there are any loop stations that come with more than one input / how many inputs does the largest looper have? 
 
Are there any suggestions on what the best looper for this type of thing is?  I'm wanting to actually go out and purchase a few before the end of the year (super last minute).  Please let me know, thanks!
 
PEACE
Bryce
------=_Part_19977_3951101.1198821365874-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 06:51:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E4A53BEB2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:51:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <056201c8491e$0b5649b0$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: References: <697354990712272156t1b6365capfa9fc679b1f8c47a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Question need answered regarding Loopers! Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:51:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_055F_01C848DA.FCE90860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5H_UiB.A.lwF.qzJdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:51:22 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_055F_01C848DA.FCE90860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My suggestion for multiple instruments is to do the following: 1. Run all the instruments into a mixing board. 2. Run the output of the mixing board to the looper. 3. Use a MIDI controller at each instrument to control the looper. Any looper that accepts MIDI control can be used. I am biased since I = am the manufacturer of the Looperlative LP1, but I would recommend it as = one of the better choices for this application. Because it will allow = you to place each instrument on a different track, you will be able to = better control your mix. I will also tell you that the other option for = getting similar functionality would be to use a software looper on a = computer. If you would like to discuss this off list, I'd be happy to = tell you more about the LP1. Bob Amstadt ------=_NextPart_000_055F_01C848DA.FCE90860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My suggestion for multiple instruments = is to do the=20 following:
 
1. Run all the instruments into a = mixing=20 board.
2. Run the output of the mixing board = to the=20 looper.
3. Use a MIDI controller at each = instrument to=20 control the looper.
 
Any looper that accepts MIDI control = can be=20 used.  I am biased since I am the manufacturer of the Looperlative = LP1, but=20 I would recommend it as one of the better choices for this = application. =20 Because it will allow you to place each instrument on a different track, = you=20 will be able to better control your mix.  I will also tell you that = the=20 other option for getting similar functionality would be to use a = software looper=20 on a computer.  If you would like to discuss this off list, I'd be = happy to=20 tell you more about the LP1.
 
Bob Amstadt
 
------=_NextPart_000_055F_01C848DA.FCE90860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 06:53:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C95653BEB2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:53:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:53:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:53:34 +0000 (UTC) I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked about my recommendations about what to buy when getting started with live looping. I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and I'm mostly talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many options are available through cool new software solutions). One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an existing looping pedal (or software solution). It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are trying figure out if you want to buy it or not. I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal rather than a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot more, so it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly add that much to a floor model live looping device? And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time switch as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time bandwidth) I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would sound really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such a feature which seems not too difficult to program. Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley uninterested in adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live looping community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay units of yesteryear). Still, this is what I"d add. What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 09:40:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76D843BEC7; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c84935$b1b06180$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> Subject: Re: Altered Realities - album of the year Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:40:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8493E.12ECD4D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:40:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8493E.12ECD4D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many comnplimentes, Erdem ! I like your album ! Nice review at allaboutjazz.com.=20 I strongly raccomdend this ambum to those one you who are interested in = ambient music; there are a lot of new good sounds. A good starting point for your music in 2008. I wish you all the best fabio www.eterogeneo.com =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Erdem Helvacioglu=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 12:08 AM Subject: Altered Realities - album of the year Hi to all loopers, I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo = acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of = 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the = other artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill = Frisell, Pole. =20 Here are the links : = http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D27836 http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm =20 Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131 = www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=3D8-1= /qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUTF8 =20 I look fwd to your comments about the album! Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for = 2008! Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: = 27/12/2007 13.34 ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8493E.12ECD4D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-9" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many comnplimentes, = Erdem ! I like=20 your album !
Nice review at = allaboutjazz.com.=20
I strongly raccomdend = this ambum to=20 those one you who are interested in ambient music; there are a lot of = new good=20 sounds.
A good starting point = for your=20 music in 2008.
I wish you all the=20 best
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
 
 
 
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To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 = 12:08=20 AM
Subject: Altered Realities - = album of the=20 year

Hi to all loopers,
 
I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( = solo=20 acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best = of 2007"=20 article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other = artists=20 chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell,=20 Pole.
 
Here are the links : http://ww= w.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D27836
http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm
 Album=20 links : www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9= A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3DUT= F8
 
I=20 look fwd to your comments about the album!
 
Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the = best for=20 2008!
 
Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu
 
 

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------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C8493E.12ECD4D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 10:20:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A575B3BEC5; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 161990 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:20:21 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/2GHlayr5NThvlAdM/1BL6+oxJ+rhXitV/5YE8B9AlM=; b=uO/kOeVWEo1Vt5q3JelrP4ZCsSPX5cNL6E0omYU9Hz7tN/PX7T4J8OfgJ92LyHU+OQC9zNsf+MNmoabBFAcIxYj0kp9uT94ODo/9j0eHpp1V1O82CmUq6cws4EVKGSGtO7m+EcXiVjVxYYjtkD02hSrcWaWKC40cr4s7axonfWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uqQKIGeMMsoJz+PUisZ9Bm2ADbVFmnhlEH/3RuSiM5WX6qGvtouqtlEw0/GS8mG5Dd89Hh/MtzVsNuB8NGmmjUB6EoyrNjkYo7824CRZlf7h/hMeJFTLfgwmTX5rBaF3s554hcnRci7n4E58QQ/+6DMJYAE9qgsbpgA/XL95vnk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:20:19 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton live synch issues In-Reply-To: <35CD96CB-0C0A-40BA-B470-3DEA14518554@rithma.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21224_22572530.1198837219706" References: <35CD96CB-0C0A-40BA-B470-3DEA14518554@rithma.org> Resent-Message-ID: <_bTay.A.EXF.l3MdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:20:21 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21224_22572530.1198837219706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi rithers, thanks for trying to help! ableton's support actually figured out for me that I did not set my global quantise to specific bars that caused the problem. so everything loops great now...except when it gets to 100 over bars, the loops DO seem slightly off..is there another problem here? ..it never ends huh ... cheers Wendy On Dec 28, 2007 8:44 AM, rithma wrote: > also, check if 'loop quantize' is on... thats probably the big one... > > -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21224_22572530.1198837219706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi rithers,

thanks for trying to help! ableton's support actually figured out for me that I did not set my global quantise to specific bars that caused the problem. so everything loops great now...except when it gets to 100 over bars, the loops DO seem slightly off..is there another problem here? ..it never ends huh ...

cheers

Wendy

On Dec 28, 2007 8:44 AM, rithma <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
also,  check if 'loop quantize' is on...   thats probably the big one...




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21224_22572530.1198837219706-- From myers.26@chinamotion.com Fri Dec 28 10:48:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 603 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:17 UTC Received: from host217-40-239-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com (host217-40-239-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com [217.40.239.182]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id B7D1C3BEAC for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ueaiv ([145.42.87.54]) by host217-40-239-182.in-addr.btopenworld.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c8493f$2696e650$36572a91@ueaiv> From: To: Subject: Special New Year 2008 Wish Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:48:15 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 As the New 2008 Year... http://newyearwithlove.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 10:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E877C3BEC2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ciSdz8kA== From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Question need answered regarding Loopers! Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:52:56 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c8493f$ce361fc0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchJF0RbuSGfjE3iRf2a6fmB5Wo6kwAKF2PQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <697354990712272156t1b6365capfa9fc679b1f8c47a@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Bryce, based on what you describe (working with song structures rather with sound creation/shaping kind of looping, as many inputs as possible needed etc.), I'd suggest to use a computer running Ableton Live - then, only the number of inputs on your audio interface is the limit. Rainer ________________________________ Von: Bryce Avary [mailto:bryceavary@gmail.com] Gesendet: Freitag, 28. Dezember 2007 06:56 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Question need answered regarding Loopers! Hey everyone, My name is Bryce and I am new to the looper list. I'm in a band that tours full time and I had a question regarding loopers. On recordings I play all of the instruments but live have a band. For our next headlining tour I would love to set up loopers on each instrument on stage and create a song from scratch in front of the audience. My biggest question is by doing this I would be starting on the drums and was wondering if there are any loop stations that come with more than one input / how many inputs does the largest looper have? Are there any suggestions on what the best looper for this type of thing is? I'm wanting to actually go out and purchase a few before the end of the year (super last minute). Please let me know, thanks! PEACE Bryce From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 11:00:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 128543BEC7; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 162901 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:00:37 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=baMn+4NRV4V4hVgpmg3D/9A+0o5BY4ghNwPCaBQT1ao=; b=Q5fGcfmrsPqGTbp7kzgep7ocwkxyNjrsx1s4gJmvcSPBJwxiDHOTkexGHrfFTp2BvB6MdvGpYLz5CKOE0aSPE9tpqim98oBRQwwPs67hAGKcAiq3Q4ALABfxQqMONCMPfQI4tzHyVsU38vJvK5j1dnBNZvPh1L2ypHOvmTn6vB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=n0QixDB0aVTP6s+q1wroIulJjhbqgif3WNOdm8pfF2FNnhCEaOBOV03uOvBHwLinEoIWusBy7bqArn35FSGCCS5ABGe4mMHxaHOZfuCfo6pRgKoIvPTOn08g0Qy5RgQjnXH6ZML0e44vpov+I8P/32/ukEC6dSKZO3ZgeZhyUQM= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:00:35 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton live synch issues In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21306_31459900.1198839635940" References: <35CD96CB-0C0A-40BA-B470-3DEA14518554@rithma.org> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:00:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21306_31459900.1198839635940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rithers, Ran into another prob, would you happen to know how I can set Ableton to receive Digital I/O from my GT6B? In Cubase audio set up preferences there is an option for me to set Cubase to recognise SPDIF in/out but on Live I can only choose my audio soundcard and that's it on choices. Hope you can help again... thanks Wendy On Dec 28, 2007 6:20 PM, wendy phua wrote: > Hi rithers, > > thanks for trying to help! ableton's support actually figured out for me > that I did not set my global quantise to specific bars that caused the > problem. so everything loops great now...except when it gets to 100 over > bars, the loops DO seem slightly off..is there another problem here? ..it > never ends huh ... > > cheers > > Wendy > > > On Dec 28, 2007 8:44 AM, rithma wrote: > > > also, check if 'loop quantize' is on... thats probably the big one... > > > > > > > -- > cheers, > > Wendy Phua > http://www.wendyphua.com > http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21306_31459900.1198839635940 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Rithers,

Ran into another prob, would you happen to know how I can set Ableton to receive Digital I/O from my GT6B? In Cubase audio set up preferences there is an option for me to set Cubase to recognise SPDIF in/out but on Live I can only choose my audio soundcard and that's it on choices. Hope you can help again...

thanks

Wendy

On Dec 28, 2007 6:20 PM, wendy phua <wendybassist@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi rithers,

thanks for trying to help! ableton's support actually figured out for me that I did not set my global quantise to specific bars that caused the problem. so everything loops great now...except when it gets to 100 over bars, the loops DO seem slightly off..is there another problem here? ..it never ends huh ...

cheers

Wendy


On Dec 28, 2007 8:44 AM, rithma <rithma@rithma.org> wrote:
also,  check if 'loop quantize' is on...   thats probably the big one...




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua



--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21306_31459900.1198839635940-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 11:50:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C506E3BEC7; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:50:30 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hd3AUws+0na2rNuWKNot0xG5enJEIUGZpY8AOO6ITfMSKK2KbltUiYcSdYYcVydcSsfv2uYi4yxUfAX53zF6U5w0Yq0T8qo9xt0acf5wnBrGp20quNdA2dMMor9kzlRSAkxNVbu0y6qIDaZ4eKqig/LT3zB6jnB2nRPGEG2jjnk=; X-YMail-OSG: CBT5.3YVM1ncRKYPWOvfQqvrxZOsBzW0tpbD7tc1fc601KvkKCxA0ocsMo3LlIYXTyuQKLS.hIxSRUpnLh0UVd3OqHyCxkAHQJhk120l90KlxFAGXkOMCpCgXzbxSw-- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:43:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Tidwell Subject: Re: Does anybody have the 1600x editor, PvC? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD08238E3079@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <201675.75575.qm@web34807.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77532 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:50:30 +0000 (UTC) Try downloading from here... http://www.harmony-central.com/Software/Windows/pvc.html John --- "Dean, Hal " wrote: > Hi everyone. I have a new laptop arriving soon (UPS > says tomorrow) and > am lining up the software I want to put on it. Alas, > I see that the site > for my trusty old editor for the Peavey 1600x, PvC, > exists no longer. > There is an alternative Windows editor, and if > necessary I'll switch to > that, but I have a ton of saved library files in PvC > format. > > Does anyone out there have this software and if so, > would you be willing > to send me a copy? Whether I can get it authorized > and running is I > suppose another matter. > > In any case, thank in advance for any help, > > Hal Dean > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 11:56:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AF433BEC5; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=q1tel8v1fTQwM78gVYgbENUT+LiGRmWGqrDim4G8BbCEK3dVQu37+LoRP4I63hpJ18Ly3CO2tKJGfkUl5LkiIZEjvLocbwNdDXyovsdozAnZH/AVwKmRWcJDH4pSwUGzmQF8reswTW4IniCMQ5ImTh8FDzhshwFbVekjQ6y2NRQ=; X-YMail-OSG: mlOhkhIVM1m9DBG3EcLZVvfaXkQQjj0cE.OcG5VxcjjOppCdSwhg_c4Q8SMsWq135QJva5FyZBD7O1rYSdjxa0VL2BueutByahK7ztIoICxoUhaSDP8- X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/818.31 YahooMailWebService/0.7.158.1 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:56:40 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Question need answered regarding Loopers! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1094310466-1198843000=:79280" Message-ID: <568277.79280.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:56:42 +0000 (UTC) --0-1094310466-1198843000=:79280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I dont know if i understand your question,do you want every musician controlling his own loops or do you want to have control of all?If you want full control then the easiest way is like a lot of us do it here, have everybodys instruments into separate channels of your mixing board then put your looper of choice in the mixers aux send and return it to one of the channels of the mixer,that way you can control its overall volume.This way you also have control of every instruments input in your looper by using the different channels aux send.Otherwise soundcard/preamp with multiple inputs into software is probably a better solution.. Luis ----- Original Message ---- From: Bryce Avary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:56:05 AM Subject: Question need answered regarding Loopers! Hey everyone, My name is Bryce and I am new to the looper list. I'm in a band that tours full time and I had a question regarding loopers. On recordings I play all of the instruments but live have a band. For our next headlining tour I would love to set up loopers on each instrument on stage and create a song from scratch in front of the audience. My biggest question is by doing this I would be starting on the drums and was wondering if there are any loop stations that come with more than one input / how many inputs does the largest looper have? Are there any suggestions on what the best looper for this type of thing is? I'm wanting to actually go out and purchase a few before the end of the year (super last minute). Please let me know, thanks! 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I dont know if i understand your question,do you want every musician controlling his own loops or do you want to have control of all?If you want full control then the easiest way is like a lot of us do it here, have everybodys instruments into separate channels of your mixing board then put your looper of choice in the mixers aux send  and return it to one of the channels of the mixer,that way you can control its overall volume.This way you also have control of every instruments input in your looper by using the different channels aux send.Otherwise soundcard/preamp with multiple inputs into software is probably a better solution..
Luis




----- Original Message ----
From: Bryce Avary <bryceavary@gmail.com>
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:56:05 AM
Subject: Question need answered regarding Loopers!

Hey everyone,
My name is Bryce and I am new to the looper list.  I'm in a band that tours full time and I had a question regarding loopers.  On recordings I play all of the instruments but live have a band.  For our next headlining tour I would love to set up loopers on each instrument on stage and create a song from scratch in front of the audience.  My biggest question is by doing this I would be starting on the drums and was wondering if there are any loop stations that come with more than one input / how many inputs does the largest looper have? 
 
Are there any suggestions on what the best looper for this type of thing is?  I'm wanting to actually go out and purchase a few before the end of the year (super last minute).  Please let me know, thanks!
 
PEACE
Bryce


Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --0-1094310466-1198843000=:79280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 13:15:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C2F43BEC7; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:15:28 EST Subject: Re: Battles To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1198847728" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5378 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1198847728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This band is completely over rated and for the life of me I don't understand the "buzz". What people hear in freeform improv that's cut up into DAW sequenced niceties is beyond me. It's nice that such a band could get noticed, but I sure don't hear anything striking on their CD. Something that most any improv project I have ever been a part of could accomplish quite easily. For those thinking this is something special, I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum or Thinking Plague. Great RIO is 10 times what Battles will ever be IMO. **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) -------------------------------1198847728 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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-------------------------------1198847728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 13:15:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85F1C3BED0; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId/9POhDEY= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:16:32 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c84953$dd3a2e30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AchJU90H621ZB1i/RoqVGPc0Yg0k+A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:15:56 +0000 (UTC) We had that discussion on a tech level some time ago - here's my version on a more music-oriented level (well, not all of it - take it as an early new year's joke...): * Krispen Hartung throws away his laptop and does an album of jazz tunes (either standards, original or mixed). This is either him on acoustic guitar or him on electric with a JC-120 amp. Either solo or duets with a pianist (think Bailey/Ballads or Frisell/Songs we know). * Rick Walker finally stops all this improvised livethingie stuff and does an album of composed music, involving lots of postprocessing, for which he uses Krispen's now unused computer. The lineup for the album features (among others) Jeff (Kaiser), Erdem, Per, Kevin Kissinger and Michael Manring. * Somebody actually picks up all the clues I left specifying stuff, builds it and sends me a prototype, including: * the MIDI sync unit for the Vortex * the floorboard embedded-computer looper * the bluetooth bodypack * I get to play all these great events that have been discussed in the past, including: * BEMF3 * the European looptour (stations in Berlin, Cologne, Munich, Radolfzell, Desenzano and Zurich) * Y2K8loopfest * and something else * Germany stops being a communist country (as a result the economy thrives and criminals and nogoods are forced to leave the country), it stops doing all that stupid co2 reduction (and starts afforesting the rain forest for a change, which has more immediate results) * life becomes really worthwile again. All the best for 2008 - and look forward to my solo looping album release "Weird Specialst" due on 12-31! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 14:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7C5F3BEC2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <03579031-E3AC-4C6F-AD5D-4CB5E34B0E11@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--646984096 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Ableton live synch issues Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:10:31 -0500 References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: <_Xipu.A.UFD.cPQdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:10:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--646984096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the setup you are using is the best solution to syncing loops. The problem being the power of your CPU. As long as thats up to the task, you should have no problem. The routing, flexibility with effects and sound quality of SL in Live, I think, makes it the best combination I have tried yet, and I have tried them all. Except of course Mobius (PC Only). Good luck On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:00 PM, rithma wrote: > hello wendy.... > have > - you checked in the 'global' warp setting? > -made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by your PC as the > original) of all the tracks are the same > -if still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the > loops (or cut them to) the exact same length > -run the ableton audio buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is > just right, though that wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho. > > say has anyone come up with solutions on the RC50 when i was > gone? ive resorted to ableton again, this time using sooperlooper. > seems quite nice, actually, if i can get it synched. > > i was looking around on the net and found that even the looperlative > doesnt synch to Midi Time code? is this true? > is the echoplex the only thing that actually exists? > > > love rithers --Apple-Mail-1--646984096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the setup you are using = is the best solution to syncing loops. The problem being the power of = your CPU. As long as thats up to the task, you should have no problem. = The routing, flexibility with effects and sound quality of SL in Live, I = think, makes it the best combination I have tried yet, and I have tried = them all. Except of course Mobius (PC Only). 
Good = luck
On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:00 PM, rithma wrote:

hello = wendy....
have
- you checked in the 'global' warp = setting?
-made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by = your PC as the original) of all the tracks are the same
-if = still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the loops = (or cut them to) the exact same length
-run the ableton audio = buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is just right, though that = wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho.  

say has anyone come up = with solutions on the RC50 when i was gone?    ive resorted to = ableton again, this time using sooperlooper.  
seems = quite nice, actually,  if i can get it synched. =  

i was = looking around on the net and found that even the = looperlative doesnt synch to Midi Time code?  is this = true?
is the echoplex the only thing that actually = exists?


love = rithers

= --Apple-Mail-1--646984096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 14:18:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784FD3BED6; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:18:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 172359 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:18:55 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=xlFonLh3NvWX+B/AK2BmNF4HftABfcUBLgF1THOyFnk=; b=IELO/YFpm/VnWQcD5pIOb1BryTZ8vYLRB9CoSujvf6zf/A5NFUaRmeKUKA8hUcaZ4YKZszi8M1OowRFJlItevF0nDRDLSKUPk5Fm+U9xxQMf4aRbLXrSEj+1lcpsiteeI0JNa0tlvY2VSHaokZjQe5WG00m9T/3wcaxWp+G096w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sC84U4HcfQm4Y0W6R3Szl0zGJkoQc9PZQtPczdi0NPnKwvczhgfT501ooEuVAfRaCxOW3OFRLqL6S+mFxLQnrh5KYIMyccF/rsr/rjio7UD6qsjjwCg8p39yiHIUZJSH5rKPhl+4sPHQY33lOIpm5sxLmsUPGX66DRiRKblAfvQ= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:18:39 +0800 From: "wendy phua" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Ableton live synch issues In-Reply-To: <03579031-E3AC-4C6F-AD5D-4CB5E34B0E11@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_21864_7246720.1198851519986" References: <03579031-E3AC-4C6F-AD5D-4CB5E34B0E11@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6XYzWB.A.FhD.PXQdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:18:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_21864_7246720.1198851519986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Chris, yes, actually I got the whole looping issue fixed already and am having a fabulous time rite now.. :) tnx Wendy On Dec 28, 2007 10:10 PM, Chris Sewell wrote: > I think the setup you are using is the best solution to syncing loops. The > problem being the power of your CPU. As long as thats up to the task, you > should have no problem. The routing, flexibility with effects and sound > quality of SL in Live, I think, makes it the best combination I have tried > yet, and I have tried them all. Except of course Mobius (PC Only). Good > luck > > On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:00 PM, rithma wrote: > > hello wendy.... > have- you checked in the 'global' warp setting? > -made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by your PC as the original) > of all the tracks are the same > -if still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the loops > (or cut them to) the exact same length > -run the ableton audio buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is just > right, though that wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho. > > say has anyone come up with solutions on the RC50 when i was gone? ive > resorted to ableton again, this time using sooperlooper. > seems quite nice, actually, if i can get it synched. > > i was looking around on the net and found that even the *looperlative* doesnt > synch to Midi Time code? is this true? > is the echoplex the only thing that actually exists? > > > love rithers > > > -- cheers, Wendy Phua http://www.wendyphua.com http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21864_7246720.1198851519986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Chris,

yes, actually I got the whole looping issue fixed already and am having a fabulous time rite now.. :)

tnx
Wendy

On Dec 28, 2007 10:10 PM, Chris Sewell < lunamusic@mac.com> wrote:
I think the setup you are using is the best solution to syncing loops. The problem being the power of your CPU. As long as thats up to the task, you should have no problem. The routing, flexibility with effects and sound quality of SL in Live, I think, makes it the best combination I have tried yet, and I have tried them all. Except of course Mobius (PC Only). 
Good luck

On Dec 27, 2007, at 5:00 PM, rithma wrote:

hello wendy....
have
- you checked in the 'global' warp setting?
-made sure the 'original' BPM (the BPM guessed by your PC as the original) of all the tracks are the same
-if still having problems, i would sometimes have to bounce all the loops (or cut them to) the exact same length
-run the ableton audio buffer tutorial to make sure the latency is just right, though that wouldnt do anything to help synch loops tho.  

say has anyone come up with solutions on the RC50 when i was gone?    ive resorted to ableton again, this time using sooperlooper.  
seems quite nice, actually,  if i can get it synched.  

i was looking around on the net and found that even the looperlative doesnt synch to Midi Time code?  is this true?
is the echoplex the only thing that actually exists?


love rithers




--
cheers,

Wendy Phua
http://www.wendyphua.com
http://www.myspace.com/wendyphua ------=_Part_21864_7246720.1198851519986-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 14:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A9A3BEC2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: loopers delight From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: Lexicon Jamman: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPE Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:28:50 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (i only ever really used two loopers a lot, the Electrix Repeater & the Lexicon Jamman) *1* Lexicon Jamman (which is my fav looper ever and still) - what i miss: - more than 32 seconds of memory - the missing one-touch looping thing: press a footswitch to start recording first, then press the same button to start looping, then press same button to loop new without having to stop first or use hands to dial something. - undo function (undo overdub) (all of the above without the need to dial in stuff with my hands, hands are busy playing things already. i am aware of the software upgrade but never got it, cause it sounded like it would distract me from playing too much) That's about it. There's so many advantadges of this unit, the reliability, the light weight, the simple footpedal controls, the sound of the analog input clipping (no need for additional compressor in signal chain before looper), the amazingly warm and natural sound of 12bit (by far beats the repeater especially on high volumes with distorted signal), the simple and effective midi functionality (starts all my midi stuff in sync, when loops starts), that it will remain my main live looping tool until someone comes up with an equal sounding, equally reliable, equally simple working but even faster (as described above) lopping functionality. Anyone tried the looper from zvex.com? I am thinkling to ask the developper there to maybe build a simple looper upon specs given... with love from New Weird Berlin ,-) --- jayrope http://kliklak.net http://rope.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com == wuh oh! == http://txp.kliklak.net/kliklak/kliklakofonie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 14:46:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20E983BECD; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=uiy41U1g0DZx8A8lgUFB6yTG+Z50meyOVppZwhWnJZw=; b=O1UhBOrN02lB7LUR5rIGp0AprI73dlgsXK/9emQv6pK4kNw2b0tMQalc/7Vl+UFvcUYJ2M3rYh0yOKclc0rR87RNDzxb5DlilYagRWrqad0mdAZWt1DuyBkIehpLsEsRHRRmGOu+lHP+O5ELTnjBVCnxxXx6eboAFFVYV+ngEHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=p/ZcW+A5+tPUGVHlBKVjINZS9vrcU4+ihjFL1s9bH3Ld0XlwgFTBgcsClPmQ6TkG0yS1WvovrMOfOQNAN6AqDKHOijEccaKFCLk5wPkksMwLydAhd+Xh40C/zDC7fjQJ4m1sXTTx2aQeoK181Z7249KPCs/1pLp2w7ph3hIYuug= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:46:50 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 In-Reply-To: <000f01c84953$dd3a2e30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_23092_25542337.1198853210157" References: <000f01c84953$dd3a2e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:46:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_23092_25542337.1198853210157 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline funny stuff! really ... looking forward to see your new release. raul. 2007/12/28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > We had that discussion on a tech level some time ago - here's my version > on > a more music-oriented level (well, not all of it - take it as an early new > year's joke...): > > * Krispen Hartung throws away his laptop and does an album of jazz tunes > (either standards, original or mixed). This is either him on acoustic > guitar > or him on electric with a JC-120 amp. Either solo or duets with a pianist > (think Bailey/Ballads or Frisell/Songs we know). > > * Rick Walker finally stops all this improvised livethingie stuff and does > an album of composed music, involving lots of postprocessing, for which he > uses Krispen's now unused computer. The lineup for the album features > (among > others) Jeff (Kaiser), Erdem, Per, Kevin Kissinger and Michael Manring. > > * Somebody actually picks up all the clues I left specifying stuff, builds > it and sends me a prototype, including: > * the MIDI sync unit for the Vortex > * the floorboard embedded-computer looper > * the bluetooth bodypack > > * I get to play all these great events that have been discussed in the > past, > including: > * BEMF3 > * the European looptour (stations in Berlin, Cologne, Munich, > Radolfzell, Desenzano and Zurich) > * Y2K8loopfest > * and something else > > * Germany stops being a communist country (as a result the economy thrives > and criminals and nogoods are forced to leave the country), it stops doing > all that stupid co2 reduction (and starts afforesting the rain forest for > a > change, which has more immediate results) > > * life becomes really worthwile again. > > All the best for 2008 - and look forward to my solo looping album release > "Weird Specialst" due on 12-31! > > Rainer > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_23092_25542337.1198853210157 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline funny stuff! really ...
looking forward to see your new release.

raul.
2007/12/28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de>:
We had that discussion on a tech level some time ago - here's my version on
a more music-oriented level (well, not all of it - take it as an early new
year's joke...):

* Krispen Hartung throws away his laptop and does an album of jazz tunes
(either standards, original or mixed). This is either him on acoustic guitar
or him on electric with a JC-120 amp. Either solo or duets with a pianist
(think Bailey/Ballads or Frisell/Songs we know).

* Rick Walker finally stops all this improvised livethingie stuff and does
an album of composed music, involving lots of postprocessing, for which he
uses Krispen's now unused computer. The lineup for the album features (among
others) Jeff (Kaiser), Erdem, Per, Kevin Kissinger and Michael Manring.

* Somebody actually picks up all the clues I left specifying stuff, builds
it and sends me a prototype, including:
        * the MIDI sync unit for the Vortex
        * the floorboard embedded-computer looper
        * the bluetooth bodypack

* I get to play all these great events that have been discussed in the past,
including:
        * BEMF3
        * the European looptour (stations in Berlin, Cologne, Munich,
Radolfzell, Desenzano and Zurich)
        * Y2K8loopfest
        * and something else

* Germany stops being a communist country (as a result the economy thrives
and criminals and nogoods are forced to leave the country), it stops doing
all that stupid co2 reduction (and starts afforesting the rain forest for a
change, which has more immediate results)

* life becomes really worthwile again.

All the best for 2008 - and look forward to my solo looping album release
"Weird Specialst" due on 12-31!

        Rainer




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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Raph Anthony Un 2007 de Ins=F3lito, Deporte, Cine o Belleza... =A1Feliz Navidad! htt= p://pan.starmedia.com/especiales/navidad07/portada/index.html --latinmail.com_ltwebml02.localdomain_dc7440c15a8f0f01df7179091aa93ccc-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 15:12:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712663BED8; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20071228141037.57C253BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071228141037.57C253BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jayrope looper's delight Subject: Electrix Repeater: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPE Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:12:18 +0100 To: loopers delight X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: <-KMbP.A.UDG.XJRdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (i only ever really used two loopers a lot, the Electrix Repeater & the Lexicon Jamman) *2* Electrix Repeater / me dislikes - analog input clips "digitally nasty", ergo additional compressor in signal chain is needed. no good. not player-friendly. - fader quality/controls quality: plastic parts break off, dust in faders caused them crackling very soon after i bought it, generally bad parts quality. main control buttons "play" etc fail to work reliably unless you beat them - or clean them all the time. not fit for touring. - bad converter input sound: to achieve a ratehr good sound it is necessary to loop with repeater first, then play loopers into computer, rerecord loops with soundcard, replace audio loop data with computer recorded data. drawback besides complicatedness of procedure: acid type loop analysis files not fully compatible to rerecording. leads to missing feature: - looper not capable of recalculating loop analysis files upon change of audio data. - bad converter output sound on high volumes/large PAs with distorted signal on loops. (without additional noise mod that was discussed before, no idea if that woudl SOUND better, too many other drawbacks) - power supply has "built-in" fail points, not fit for touring, cord grip too weak. - bad customer service: reliable CF cards with Hitachi controller (SimpleTech or Pretec) almost impossible to get now. Company support for various issues reduced down to mainly unreliable announcements on web site. Software update 1.1 not free, although mainly fixing know issues of beta 1.0 released labelled alpha. performance-related issues: - looping process requires too many steps to use device as a fast, responsive live looper (as outlined in lexicon jamman post before), unless one carries a larger midi-based remote control, maybe (didn;t try, i am a musician, not a programmer on stage). - midi, especially in slave mode, randomly out of sync. - midi when looping live is buggy, signature calculation is oftenly crap. i spare myself additional feature request. Conclusio: The repeater is an "okay" tool as a band replacement/sample player with additional pitch and timestretch capabilities due to its large storage capacity only limited by size of CF card (max 512 MB) and featuring 4 separately adjustable tarcks per loop, 999 loops at max. It also works okay in situations of dj contexts or art installations, especially because of 4 single track outputs. Nice: Undo on overdub. Nice: Tempo pitch going down to 1bpm, ideal for drony artsy things. Horror film soundstracks for instance. Sound and manufacturing quality as well as handling issues disqualify the unit for my purposes, though. i stopped using it especially in conjunction with other live musicians or even solo. handling is generally too slow and audio quality doesn't compare to live signal at all, especially in high volume situations. Doesn't cut thru - and reminds of: Ableton 1 or 2 with Warp engine on, digitally degraded, no "see-through", though officially 16 bit, but resulting to be noisy, harsh, unpleasant. Also, in conjunction with necessary additional units (compressor et al) the overall tour weight gets to be too high to get around paying additional flight fees 8-). When competing with a vinyl dj (yes they do exist) only Lexicon Jamman survives. 2 euro cents. with love from New Weird Berlin ,-) --- jayrope . http://kliklak.net http://rope.kliklak.net http://touchdonttouch.com == wuh oh! == http://txp.kliklak.net/kliklak/kliklakofonie From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 17:26:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 404F73BEC1; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:26:39 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Lo Fi Loop Junky: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:26:43 +0000 (UTC) At 3:28 PM +0100 12/28/07, jayrope looper's delight wrote: > >Anyone tried the looper from zvex.com? I am thinkling to ask the >developper there to maybe build a simple looper upon specs given... Zvex's Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Yeah, I've got one. Kind of a cool little toy. I liked Zach Vex's philosophy behind it (the loop sounds nothing like the player). I pull it out occasionally, but still don't rely on it as one of my "go-to" boxes. Things I DISLIKE about it: 1.) No overdubs. 2.) No Feedback. 3.) The Warp/Vibrato settings are so subtle that 8 out of 10 times you can't hear any difference. 4.) Uses standard (Switchcraft, I think?) stompbox switches. Good quality, but you gotta lay into 'em, which can mess up the timing on your loop every once in a while. 5.) Expensive, for what it does. As for talking to Zach about developing a more fully-functioning Looper, good luck. He's a pretty nice guy overall, but can occasionally get a bit moody from what I've noticed (probably from dealing with a million clueless teenagers all asking him how his Fuzz Factory works, and what settings should they use to sound like My Chemical Romance, etc.). Don't poke him too much and you oughta be fine, though. He's pretty straightforward about what the Loop Junky is and is not, as well as his tastes in Looping (hates it when you can't tell the player from the loop, for instance). Given that, as well as the fact that this is a really warped analog BBD-like device, I'm not sure how far you're gonna get. Some stuff (like reverse) just isn't possible using this architecture -- he's already tried. It'll be interesting watching the response, in any case. :) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 17:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A173BED2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:40:04 UTC X-YMail-OSG: e8lI7R0VM1keHiTHM6cMDZiWa29uofRj.iJpJP3a.FsYoHDjozBTWgtGbph9y02BUVy5puQL7Q-- Message-ID: <002701c84977$be9ac8d0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <20071228141037.57C253BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: OT-RP300 for sale Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:33:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:40:04 +0000 (UTC) I have an RP300 for sale. Used 3 times total in gigs or practice. I bought it as an emergency fill-in when a pedal I had went kablooey. This effect box is not my cup of tea. I prefer the individual pedals. Please let me know if you'd like pics. ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 18:56:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1183F3BED6; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=sopUK-K5_vAA:10 a=SB_h65PiAAAA:8 a=G4CIsJRxAAAA:8 a=pAjkrSRoAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=A1NzJVj4AAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=goWO2SDYM_rAAkmZfQUA:9 a=-6biheaU4jE90etkEHMA:7 a=XT6ozdQfz5Y0zdOTvnR1AjbeoE0A:4 a=gFuTl-CWSBAA:10 a=3ZUC-8qrdtsA:10 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=uNumT0OUMaIA:10 a=sDNbGVEsxUkA:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=qd0b2T3g1E0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=vNGxQsTWjH8A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=h6lzW4JszsvXD6cNFHcA:9 a=gzQX_DtsSvwoYxhnjCUA:7 a=oQEqprgPRPHMwP1FI8EYG4NZFGIA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: Altered Realities - album of the year Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:56:59 -0800 Message-ID: <003001c84983$6d14eb10$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0031_01C84940.5EF1AB10" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <0ba101c848dd$53ad0780$0300000a@erdem> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchI3YLUakRfHumwT4apvz+50YYbtAApU3Eg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:56:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C84940.5EF1AB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many Congratulations Erdem! Great CD and great reviews. Happy New Year! ~Greg _____ From: Erdem Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 3:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Altered Realities - album of the year Hi to all loopers, I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been included on the "Best of 2007" article at "All About Jazz" and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other artists chosen are Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole. Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=27836 http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131 www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GFLE9A/sr=8-1/qid= 1161162264/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=UTF8 I look fwd to your comments about the album! Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for 2008! Erdem Helvacioglu www.erdemhelvacioglu.com www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C84940.5EF1AB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many Congratulations = Erdem!

Great CD and great = reviews.

Happy New = Year!

 

~Greg

 

From: Erdem Helvacioglu [mailto:erdemhel@tnn.net]
Sent: Thursday, December = 27, 2007 3:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Altered = Realities - album of the year

 

Hi to all loopers,

 

I am excited to tell you that my solo album "Altered Realities" ( solo acoustic guitar and live electronics ) has been = included on the "Best of 2007" article at "All About Jazz" = and "Textura" magazines! Some of the other artists chosen are = Harold Budd, Brian Eno, David Torn, Bill Frisell, Pole.
 
Here are the links : http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=3D27836
http://www.textura.org/reviews/2007toptens.htm
 
Album links : www.newalbion.com/NA131
www.amazon.com/Helvacioglu-Altered-Realities-Erdem/dp/B000GF= LE9A/sr=3D8-1/qid=3D1161162264/ref=3Dpd_bbs_sr_1/002-0939524-3125629?ie=3D= UTF8
 
I look fwd to your comments about the = album!

 

Thanks a lot and best regards from Istanbul. Wish you all the best for = 2008!

 

Erdem Helvacioglu
www.erdemhelvacioglu.com
www.myspace.com/erdemhelvacioglu

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C84940.5EF1AB10-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 19:27:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 195CD3BEDD; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20071228142742.G34XK.236081.root@fepweb09> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:27:42 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Cc: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill In-Reply-To: <000f01c84953$dd3a2e30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:27:52 +0000 (UTC) ---- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:=20 [snip] > * I get to play all these great events that have been discussed in the pa= st, ncluding: > =09* BEMF3 > =09* the European looptour (stations in Berlin, Cologne, Munich, Radolfze= ll, Desenzano and Zurich) > =09* Y2K8loopfest > =09* and something else [snip] Sounds good to me. Well, maybe some day. I'm getting tired of living in a geographical backwater. I wish there were even more traveling and festival-style or small group or = duo collaborative performing going on. Too many of us are waaaaaay too spread out and too many of us are geographi= cal recluses and hermits. I love our little get-togethers and times when folks pass through town and = stop to play (like Lucio Menegon did with me this past August on his way ac= ross country). These are special times. Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:02:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83513BEE0; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c8498c$8d35edf0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:02:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <08IrjB.A.jUD.MZVdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:02:20 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: * Rick Walker finally stops all this improvised livethingie stuff and does an album of composed music, involving lots of postprocessing, for which he uses Krispen's now unused computer. The lineup for the album features (among others) Jeff (Kaiser), Erdem, Per, Kevin Kissinger and Michael Manring. LOL, yeah, that tiresome improvised found sound livethingie stuff I do!!! Actually, in point of fact, my last CD, Purple Hand, which had zip sales, I'm a little embarrassed to say, was not only what I think (and what a couple of reviewers thought) was the best single record I've ever made in my life and was COMPLETELY composed with no found sound (of if I used any, it was so heavily processed that you didn't know it) and made entirely in a computer. I'm really, really proud of that CD and I'd love to sell it cheap to ANYONE at loopers delight. Also, suddenly, I'm just in love with string and brass instruments and have , on a daily basis, been playing and composing really minimalist songs on altered tuning Strumsticks, Dulcimer, Mandolin (trying to really teach myself tunings in 5th to prepare myself for next year's forays into bowed instruments), Saz, Oud, Nylon String guitar, 12 string Acoustic guitar, 4 string fretless bass, 12 string electric bass, pocket trumpet, flugelhorn and my latest love in life, a Euphonium. It's so ridiculously audacious to take on all of these instruments with such a remedial skill level, but I may be the happiest I've ever been in my life, creatively speaking and just in love with the concept of 'beginners' mind. I've been really inspired, lately, by very simple musics from Niger, Mali and Mauritania. My good friend, the late Ali Farka Toure, once entertained me in my living room for an hour and a half on a one string crude violin that he played and sang against. There was something so satisfying about that experiences (and I couldn't believe that I"m the only person who got to hear it before he passed last year). There is a fantastic concert DVD , called 'Concert in the Desert' that brought Taureg musicians from all over West Africa (along with some wonderful European musicians and the inimitable Robert Plant) that I've been watching. Some of those repetitive single line guitar figures (ala Toure, Baaba Maala, Mansour Seck, Issa Bagayogo) are so entrancing...........................loop music, if I ever heard it. Anyway, I don't know where it's all going except that I gave myself a few months off before I begin my long tour in Europe, the British Isles and Asia this coming year (another fulfillment of some of Rainer's wishes). It's the most time I've taken off in 25 years and it's letting me fall in love with all music again. I'll let you know if a CD comes from it. Happy New Year all and, Rainer, thanks for that cool list. Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:15:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3419A3BEE2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:15:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=GjadA0yVz8NHrMf9fESk4qehgZoFOhVL1DtIrVBctXI=; b=dcVkqCqCTRJFNNvGnjx1hlEVwNsj4/sFQ9cWbZ/LhGun4lcqBgSG2sNKFu8wCyQzueO+OCUL1nZtyo5uMqNB7UQNlcs15I6piCCdPcAkYY/9yPnIYFnFrZ+kOCVkisQtPjauhoNUe8h3VWsIPoYB2gB0qi8hb7r397wswJ01/xE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Az1+BAWvwJ9yCSEVKce4fDEp0ky246tsgpQPMR7AqGG8OCtFTwsiH7ihYVyOBJHCDaEDkL40bxFfQKeLwiHek3TR3pSWDdSOgtsa8dQuvrqUi+nLeK5npMN6vUFg1rJYfnSp/i13rT5nR2CB6r8JAaLYUDBOgXHs39Wpf4xXVmA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:15:48 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:15:58 +0000 (UTC) That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love with this looper. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:23:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DDA23BEE2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fehSMmaYnOlllh6DlF3+jCXezO3ak0evGlRqojUpAFw=; b=NppaRni2OeV+8Bx4Ga596+oKg0fa7xae6eYkSRy40eZe3GUIvHHThCe+jETM1tqLlvC4iVbjVEsrRDjUnDg9fNHRNyy7SliF4bwwPIYZR7vOf+Wdqz7lAlAPaMW4kp/WXJTRreIkAna9AHBAUnyLBo/omh92+QM1qQ+lA/FeHss= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sPMrbBNA8cyTGU8O09nkw7o1US6/GSJncMHlvL4xL9yH/pPdjB+/iw+9BN+bKQn6fpQRa//Is4JCOFHzmVPdAFrM9dd3ojcTRzJKdnyVlE3ydIIAnrXDAD2pMeAaRbyn8m+wc/CCMJ8QAv6ri2V+p55MeE7vAwGtSzAdsCNRwPo= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:23:44 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10387_4882133.1198873424653" References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:23:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10387_4882133.1198873424653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I echo that *[Mobius non-Mac]. * I've begun to use it on a Windows laptop that came avail to me through work but wish it would fly on native OSX. I worked with LD member Todd Reynolds trying to get it going through Boot Camp/Windows but we still have an activation issue, not Mobius but Windows. Point is it's a great software and seems kind of silly it's not ported for Mac. Happy New Year to all Jim www.jimgoodinmusic.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love with > this looper. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_10387_4882133.1198873424653 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I echo that [Mobius non-Mac].  I've begun to use it on a Windows laptop that came avail to me through work but wish it would fly on native OSX.  I worked with LD member Todd Reynolds trying to get it going through Boot Camp/Windows but we still have an activation issue, not Mobius but Windows.  Point is it's a great software and seems kind of silly it's not ported for Mac.
 
Happy New Year to all
 
Jim


 
On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love with
this looper.

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)









--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_10387_4882133.1198873424653-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:28:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 675CC3BEE2; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008501c8498c$8d35edf0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <008501c8498c$8d35edf0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:28:29 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77548 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC) At 12:02 PM -0800 12/28/07, Rick Walker wrote: > >Actually, in point of fact, my last CD, Purple Hand, which had zip sales, >I'm a little embarrassed to say, Hey, I bought that! Erm... at least I think I did. Did you comp me a copy? I guess that would be 'zip +1'. >was not only what I think (and what a couple of reviewers >thought) was the best single record I've ever made in my life I'll agree(!). I still pull out "Dayglo Green" when I'm in a certain mood, but "Purple Hand" is by far my favorite of the works you've put out. I can't believe that one is so under-appreciated!!! :( I think it must be that not enough people know about it. Or maybe I've just got this misguided notion that good music will prevail. >my long tour in Europe, the British Isles and Asia this coming year Asia?!? Where/when are you gonna be in Asia? Don't forget you can crash at our place if you guys are anywhere near us in Japan... --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:35:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2FAA3BEEA; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:35:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <093a01c84991$2cec5330$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000f01c84953$dd3a2e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:35:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <5f4tx.A.82E.R4VdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77549 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:35:29 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > > * Krispen Hartung throws away his laptop and does an album of jazz tunes > (either standards, original or mixed). This is either him on acoustic > guitar > or him on electric with a JC-120 amp. Either solo or duets with a pianist > (think Bailey/Ballads or Frisell/Songs we know). Joke aside, I may take you up on this! However, the problem is finding a piano player in Boise who would be willing to do this with me. Most of the really good jazz pianists look down upon the really free improv music, yet the key players that I know who are really into free improv don't have the jazz chops. It's sort of a catch 22. But I will keep searching! There is definitely a sax player who will do this with me, but piano would be a lot of fun...two polyphonic instruments provides for a lot of harmonic diversity and possibilities. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 20:47:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 215E63BED0; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06b301c84992$dc45bd70$5901a8c0@bobdell> Reply-To: "Bob Amstadt" From: "Bob Amstadt" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Steve Lawson and Lobelia house concert January 12 in San Jose Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 12:47:28 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06B0_01C8494F.CDDFCF20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:47:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06B0_01C8494F.CDDFCF20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, I'll be hosting a house concert at my home in San Jose on January 12. = The show will feature solo-bassist Steve Lawson and guitarist/vocalist = Lobelia. Because of the small size of the venue, space will be limited = and thus I am asking people to contact me via email for details. We = will be asking for a $10 donation per person which will go to the = artists. Come join us for this fun event. --Bob Amstadt ------=_NextPart_000_06B0_01C8494F.CDDFCF20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everybody,
 
I'll be hosting a house concert at my = home in San=20 Jose on January 12.  The show will feature solo-bassist Steve = Lawson and=20 guitarist/vocalist Lobelia.  Because of the small size of the = venue, space=20 will be limited and thus I am asking people to contact me via email for=20 details.  We will be asking for a $10 donation per person which = will go to=20 the artists.
 
Come join us for this fun = event.
 
--Bob Amstadt
 
------=_NextPart_000_06B0_01C8494F.CDDFCF20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 21:21:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 712A23BEF3; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:21:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477568CD.7090801@hevanet.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:21:17 -0800 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1053pC.A.-qH.MjWdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:21:17 +0000 (UTC) I AM my Looper, and "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." David :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 21:24:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F24D3BEF3; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=H2PF2yO+TzntyOLEB7iiu3OPckmTiEYTV42ru7rgLJw=; b=TGp0MUXLzB1nlS4EMTLZd5O2AeDLx+oV+8NLkaYigBtfSewVBt06yKmJ8v3sph2f7S9mR0eYAY6JeCOv8UPZb8ANj933kYhamkKeMpvGtQk06TqPzqwkX6LCevVvo9wnHnLswDUYo7tBkggKQsgZU59dpjEavouoB82NwgtEyTY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rwvg9NV/iWe3vRSplZgiF5uuKzQwz7coVYl6m+/E1xFseFV9nr8w1EVyAVxK3GZwaY1+4JFlUOQxSbL2wluDioCP1QnDfeY8e7pqTHztyJZRU6gJOoAq4JyPiUaccujTODXGZHFqs1AjRMpN6RoIeaxs9dM/YlzBOOChF2R1qoM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E581B58-EDB1-4112-A573-3B1126220BB4@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:24:45 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:24:52 +0000 (UTC) Boot Camp is so dirt simple that I would consider formatting and re- installing Windows every 30th day. If only using Mobius and five VST plug-ins (as I do) it would mean only one hour, and you you could do it on the side while working with other things. Just swapping CDs when urged to. Maybe you could us Ghost or something similar to slap a fully installed XP system, including Mobius and VSTs, over the Boot Camp partition? Would be cool if that is possible from the Mac side! Don't know if it is, but I will research it. When I was using only Windows 98 I had that system on my PCs (four partitions for different use) and it only took eight minutes to replace a malfunctioning Bootable Windows system partition with a fully installed one, included all applications. Per On 28 dec 2007, at 21.23, Jim Goodin wrote: > I echo that [Mobius non-Mac]. I've begun to use it on a Windows > laptop that came avail to me through work but wish it would fly on > native OSX. I worked with LD member Todd Reynolds trying to get it > going through Boot Camp/Windows but we still have an activation > issue, not Mobius but Windows. Point is it's a great software and > seems kind of silly it's not ported for Mac. > > >> >> On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: >> That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love with >> this looper. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 21:32:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 191053BEF6; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:32:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 419 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:32:39 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ltLt3nnRfT5wwXtrvnnOgUtKu7olBliHkH28b9v86WM=; b=uEtSEPqtiBhcQaccq+b2lyaCMbboklApIxdeCQLyxL+Tj/nkWo7b2HBYIdaDpojtLO9a2YiZUo5pEzcjPyt5DN40AwhEyC+WWqeTOOBCDkL0PvRAnyscIa7mOcaz4AN0d81EVhyKXuhPz5IVE8Mrsjrn2kqgEsz/1tKPKooKq4o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MPDTloArNMIFqqjIMVWP/eq7rnACHEw4XDDOEEiMLTHlFEPC1b5P6gHsCS7ilI05cSW+V4kSCgfnj7mNnG6g1SIFEfWd6fEbZ5Rv+EU2yWV32aCJYmHHMFes1aP+zoCflG6QBPzkHQvSRu+88LGFGS2zqvP9w6EYv9YkFC2yZAA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:25:39 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) In-Reply-To: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:32:40 +0000 (UTC) I'd go on to say that on the Line 6 DL-4: 1) The default looping length is too short - I often find it closing the loop when I'm almost finished with a phrase. 2) There should be a feature that lets the user determine how many repeats it takes for the loop to fade out while on the 'record' function. This would allow easier 'fade outs' (transitions away from loops). Also, when it's set to 1 repeat, you could do some interesting 'punch in' sort of stuff. Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the delay modelers more than the looper. Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com On Dec 27, 2007 10:53 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked > about my recommendations about what to buy when getting > started with live looping. > > I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and I'm mostly > talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many options are > available through cool new software solutions). > > One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out > what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, > in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an > existing looping pedal (or software solution). > > It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are trying > figure out if you want to buy it or not. > > I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: > The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): > > > > WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: > > I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal rather > than > a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. > > Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. > > I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot more, so > it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly > add that much to a floor model live looping device? > > And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time switch > as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to > do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on > how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time bandwidth) > > I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would sound > really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such a feature > which seems not too difficult to program. > > Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley uninterested in > adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live looping > community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this > pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay units of > yesteryear). > > Still, this is what I"d add. > > What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 21:33:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CABA83BECF; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:33:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=V7jV4FL/+Va1+a5O6E0gwphat9BlS6OIpW0XdQLuCF0=; b=vKPduh7J17bAf3rgy3JpqDfmtFSQ2+PhZ3qsjMqoXk7cvvHTEIz/jXbWqt6P0+vdno0tvUYAaYGBLEv2WBH5dtWIS0MA/DeMEuFYLNNJQ818U6bN5GVWQtlRei4mb+xEz8eO5Fv6vGkaBmWZ9IxYjyqQo1nThvuE8axdEcL9u7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=r17eqH0CxlZ937gzpAU891jGNdRiGwkZGZy1eZcejU+dz7CudXu1zbdVAjXhzMjGzkNqMs6cZnKAOiUkGsdF40L6XVPQD5nixgxONeIJNCI6lAONR4seGcaNrvcDm14UKFZhINMjHfUW5SBZlSZv7QQ1rPRVEiP0FY60uHtwtwg= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712281333u1f7f6f85w36ca34994fc2a3b0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 16:33:25 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER In-Reply-To: <9E581B58-EDB1-4112-A573-3B1126220BB4@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10737_7229752.1198877605659" References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> <9E581B58-EDB1-4112-A573-3B1126220BB4@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:33:27 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10737_7229752.1198877605659 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Per that's interesting and hope Todd sees. We were trying to just make the activation work which I've done a thousand times but totally in a Windows world. The installs I had were OEM installs that came with Dell boxes which sense if not a Dell box will prompt for activation otherwise they don't. Every time on the Mac Todd experienced input errors on the activation code, it would never let him fully input the code. We called the activation support but of course was pretty useless. Was this somehow a Mac incompatibility betweeen it and the Dell CD's. Anyhow I use Ghost a lot and that's a thought actually no reason why that wouldnt' work as long as you can boot the Mac with a ghost boot CD. I've worked with Mac's off and on and now have several in my house and am running on a G4. My kids have Intel Macbooks which will allow me to try bootcamp and experimen t with this. The other option is not bad as you say the idea of reinstalling every 30 a bit annoying, anyhow thanks re Ghost, will explore. Jim On Dec 28, 2007 4:24 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > Boot Camp is so dirt simple that I would consider formatting and re- > installing Windows every 30th day. If only using Mobius and five VST > plug-ins (as I do) it would mean only one hour, and you you could do > it on the side while working with other things. Just swapping CDs > when urged to. Maybe you could us Ghost or something similar to slap > a fully installed XP system, including Mobius and VSTs, over the Boot > Camp partition? Would be cool if that is possible from the Mac side! > Don't know if it is, but I will research it. When I was using only > Windows 98 I had that system on my PCs (four partitions for different > use) and it only took eight minutes to replace a malfunctioning > Bootable Windows system partition with a fully installed one, > included all applications. > > Per > > > On 28 dec 2007, at 21.23, Jim Goodin wrote: > > > I echo that [Mobius non-Mac]. I've begun to use it on a Windows > > laptop that came avail to me through work but wish it would fly on > > native OSX. I worked with LD member Todd Reynolds trying to get it > > going through Boot Camp/Windows but we still have an activation > > issue, not Mobius but Windows. Point is it's a great software and > > seems kind of silly it's not ported for Mac. > > > > > >> > >> On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love with > >> this looper. > > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_10737_7229752.1198877605659 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Per that's interesting and hope Todd sees.  We were trying to= just make the activation work which I've done a thousand times but tot= ally in a Windows world.  The installs I had were OEM installs that ca= me with Dell boxes which sense if not a Dell box will prompt for activation= otherwise they don't.   Every time on the Mac Todd experienc= ed input errors on the activation code, it would never let him fully input = the code.  We called  the activation support but of course was pr= etty useless.  Was this somehow a Mac incompatibility betweeen it and = the Dell CD's.  Anyhow I use Ghost a lot and that's a thought = actually no reason why that wouldnt' work as long as you can boot the M= ac with a ghost boot CD.  I've worked with Mac's off and on an= d now have several in my house and am running on a G4. My kids have Intel M= acbooks which will allow me to try bootcamp and experimen t with this. = ; The other option is not bad as you say the idea of reinstalling every 30 = a bit annoying, anyhow thanks re Ghost, will explore.
 
Jim

On Dec 28, 2007 4:24 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Boot Camp is so dirt simple that= I would consider formatting and re-
installing Windows every 30th day. = If only using Mobius and five VST
plug-ins (as I do) it would mean only one hour, and you you could doit on the side while working with other things. Just swapping CDs
when = urged to. Maybe you could us Ghost or something similar to slap
a fully = installed XP system, including Mobius and VSTs, over the Boot
Camp partition? Would be cool if that is possible from the Mac side!Don't know if it is, but I will research it. When I was using only
= Windows 98 I had that system on my PCs (four partitions for different
use) and it only took eight minutes to replace a malfunctioning
Bootable=  Windows system partition with a fully installed one,
included all= applications.

Per


On 28 dec 2007, at 21.23, Jim Goodin wrote:
> I echo that [Mobius non-Mac].  I've begun to use it on = a Windows
> laptop that came avail to me through work but wish it wou= ld fly on
> native OSX.  I worked with LD member Todd Reynolds trying to = get it
> going through Boot Camp/Windows but we still have an activat= ion
> issue, not Mobius but Windows.  Point is it's a great = software and
> seems kind of silly it's not ported for Mac.
>
>>>
>> On Dec 28, 2007 3:15 PM, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
&g= t;> That it isn't coded for Mac OS X. Everything else I just love wi= th
>> this looper.







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Chi= napainting on My Space -
http://www.my= space.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7= other creative souls - http://= www.woodandwiremusic.com
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Yom Benson. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 22:30:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 684FC3BEF1; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJUv0Zw6fs= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:30:49 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c849a1$4c0caac0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchJmSwskUy15wlDSxKiNWPoUQ4dtgAB9pPg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:30:14 +0000 (UTC) > Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the > delay modelers more than the looper. ...which tells us also something about the delay models - if they had 28s of delay time, I bet more people would use them, if only to loop (and make use of feedback control and the wonderful varispeed implementation). What would interest me is something like your statistic, only for the Boss DD20: how many DD20 users use SOS mode more than the other modes? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 22:37:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C7AD3BEF1; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 393 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:37:54 UTC X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667162.78038.bm@omp204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wfiBc2ByO1MXZqsxqR+GALtyeFT+pn33mmkbaFPmzey356499hatzEbaRjmuk/DcNrAU8Kl5qs2mNcR5XLYdj5jaxgdSuAu7mCqjMROww4T5HEf1L/3K9WZ/bMojLC8wGE+qz7tNySlf0OaSApwn1+EDthc4CPBOEVT0v02BYFE=; X-YMail-OSG: mrdYgl0VM1ki0s1TatRNHK7yrtqT0kRODQuzOOH2.qdajl7UqVLB9kxrXuS97uk_Ljlxwa3_MvDGkj7UwwRWrLMPo0RtgWiqLGkpmBUrA5v1VvagRUmnLzh87Emliw-- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <348136.25096.qm@web45106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9vz2m.A.TlE.CrXdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:37:54 +0000 (UTC) --- Matt Davignon wrote: > Of all the people I know who use this unit [DL4], > only 2 use the delay modelers more than the looper. In a conversation this morning about some of the new material I'm working on for a film score, the point was brought up by the person I was talking with that he'd never heard music like mine and he asked me how many people were working in a similar genre. My immediate answer was "Oh, a lot." As the conversation went on, though, it became evident that my perspective on that subject is certainly skewed by the fact that I tend to associate with people with similar tastes. "Birds of a feather" and all that... So Rick's point is accurate in that there are probably many more people using the DL4 primarily as a delay modeler. But at the same time, like Matt, I can say that most of the people I know personally who use the unit keep it on the looper setting most of the time. -t- ps: What I don't like about most of my floor-based loopers is something that's been brought up many times on this list: noisy switches. I'm also not crazy about the two-second hold clear time on the RC-20... http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson http://www.youtube.com/speleman62 ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 22:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ACF393BEF5; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <099601c849a2$9045c400$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <348136.25096.qm@web45106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:39:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: <3nMzuC.A.1wE.9sXdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:39:57 +0000 (UTC) They keep repeating!!! Damn, that is annoying. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 23:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C75D83BEF6; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:19:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jDAug0bfc2CnGdgbwGTMCHjptaseuciRCbTgjnvA7iw=; b=v5QSiwP3CvtWGhJT5f9gz1su7sduFfl2LycWkohKL6vrrz5yOjK75bc0TZe89BECrVbtor1+tkcUdp+lVBX+PAD71z8+xYLVbTFdzntFaLOFcnlTpob6yFTFqYugUWj93sOk1ebgjatU+iAojQZTCl5PZm7JHDq3/ZSwxEOS6/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Jeza6pGLZZ6JqGNPAe7gp4064Qi6Pz1Qt8GbGL96nt7SkzdDkmK4LwBoN6k+S6kZFnzm6ZCfeMI/qfwikoKSURDyjo07rdsEm0hK3hN100KhiIDicKael0OCLaOl5Bya4MTceRbpCICuY92tKOzsH8TSRKamRaZggwwrs9ocKsU= In-Reply-To: <008501c8498c$8d35edf0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <008501c8498c$8d35edf0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2A891205-E880-4B39-AF64-7C372317C46B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Thing I'd like to see in 2008 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:19:01 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:19:09 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 28, 2007, at 12:02 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > There is a fantastic concert DVD , called 'Concert in the Desert' > that brought Taureg musicians from > all over West Africa (along with some wonderful European musicians > and the inimitable Robert Plant) > that I've been watching. I have been watching a dvd of Mali music called: Markus James - Timbuktoubab Very sweet, and some great calabash playing! Recommended. BobC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Dec 28 23:36:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82B923BF06; Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8AI41DUgOzOZ8n+zXhOIhvy4D7LxCsCfhIb7HphnMZk=; b=MAH9YS0Wjyz+Xkr08KAfQ8E+OZWr6LKaqjBE5GQX/M/xJmGvuRplTNI3/xkDTZt3I+QEFQSeDXUbfI3ZmR5gtlZYSG1ZJMF78oGXp1LlfIuDwIyVAmi1vBSDerqq0H/y2uXQLNGfmJ1tIDVlm6pfm4U2AvwaLiVRtb6TVOil1lE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=llFJ5RQeultFpCx75q4OUopMACF5mDE11L/3HEgdbDO7B3h/ZwnBEMYDp5CG4GzKLbjyM9b1cflAEnPm2kmBKifSYjbM+mWaX/3D/T0qVYzqxOLDKJI3iwTXbg/NN2iCsG5D7keQAlSrzQV/jG7ta7PfCIlbauRpOB9elI2FzFI= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712281536u1f9bb9a5s6df8a2302bfd6b35@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:36:03 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60712281333u1f7f6f85w36ca34994fc2a3b0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> <9E581B58-EDB1-4112-A573-3B1126220BB4@gmail.com> <9e0440a60712281333u1f7f6f85w36ca34994fc2a3b0@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Jim, I may understand what's going on (or maybe not!). Licensing in the Windows world is much more restrictive than in the mac world. There was a time a couple years ago when you could use a Dell Windows CD and activation code with any computer. Technically, though, you were never suppose to. The Dell CDs have an OEM license which is suppose to only apply to the computer it was sold with. I had a bunch of HP computers at work that came with XP home licenses that were never used. I used those licenses successfully on other computers until microsoft updated it's database. Now I can't use any OEM license except on the computer it came with. You can buy a XP disc with license for around $90 from companies like newegg.com. I don't think there is a cheaper alternative. On Dec 28, 2007 1:33 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > Per that's interesting and hope Todd sees. We were trying to just make the > activation work which I've done a thousand times but totally in a Windows > world. The installs I had were OEM installs that came with Dell boxes which > sense if not a Dell box will prompt for activation otherwise they don't. > Every time on the Mac Todd experienced input errors on the activation code, > it would never let him fully input the code. We called the activation > support but of course was pretty useless. Was this somehow a Mac > incompatibility betweeen it and the Dell CD's. Anyhow I use Ghost a lot and > that's a thought actually no reason why that wouldnt' work as long as you > can boot the Mac with a ghost boot CD. I've worked with Mac's off and on > and now have several in my house and am running on a G4. My kids have Intel > Macbooks which will allow me to try bootcamp and experimen t with this. The > other option is not bad as you say the idea of reinstalling every 30 a bit > annoying, anyhow thanks re Ghost, will explore. > > Jim -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 00:07:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 879183BEF6; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=a2Vp0ISV6WF7rVKuwPpjb3LpCTd10QYVXOVuHFtXYx386N7VPtL9dD9tgtbTMa0I; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <12288077.1198886876990.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:07:56 -0500 (EST) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Lo Fi Loop Junky: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd4894be8e15e16897b5f5a80903f3c41b3d93fe5b2b5bb10998350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.42 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:07:58 +0000 (UTC) I heart my LoopJunkee. it is my one and only loop i go to these days of my minimalization and simplification. it pix up the subb frequencies i use very well. i spoke w/ Zachery about the placement of the pedals being reversed from most loop boxes-but he dont budge! ston -----Original Message----- >From: Mech >Sent: Dec 28, 2007 12:26 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: Lo Fi Loop Junky: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) > >At 3:28 PM +0100 12/28/07, jayrope looper's delight wrote: >> >>Anyone tried the looper from zvex.com? I am thinkling to ask the >>developper there to maybe build a simple looper upon specs given... > >Zvex's Lo-Fi Loop Junky. Yeah, I've got one. Kind of a cool little >toy. I liked Zach Vex's philosophy behind it (the loop sounds >nothing like the player). I pull it out occasionally, but still >don't rely on it as one of my "go-to" boxes. > >Things I DISLIKE about it: > >1.) No overdubs. >2.) No Feedback. >3.) The Warp/Vibrato settings are so subtle that 8 out of 10 times >you can't hear any difference. >4.) Uses standard (Switchcraft, I think?) stompbox switches. Good >quality, but you gotta lay into 'em, which can mess up the timing on >your loop every once in a while. >5.) Expensive, for what it does. > >As for talking to Zach about developing a more fully-functioning >Looper, good luck. He's a pretty nice guy overall, but can >occasionally get a bit moody from what I've noticed (probably from >dealing with a million clueless teenagers all asking him how his Fuzz >Factory works, and what settings should they use to sound like My >Chemical Romance, etc.). Don't poke him too much and you oughta be >fine, though. > >He's pretty straightforward about what the Loop Junky is and is not, >as well as his tastes in Looping (hates it when you can't tell the >player from the loop, for instance). Given that, as well as the fact >that this is a really warped analog BBD-like device, I'm not sure how >far you're gonna get. Some stuff (like reverse) just isn't possible >using this architecture -- he's already tried. It'll be interesting >watching the response, in any case. :) > > --m. >-- >_____ >"take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than >one step..." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 00:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3323BF1A; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 668 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:15:34 UTC DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=JlLta4eEZVu7bBvWRO5I/Y2odflG7ExdGE9gXO/dGOIAYsinECYDW83fEbLP7+86; h=Received:Date:Subject:Content-Type:Mime-Version:From:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 12:32:22 -0800 Subject: Re: DL4 Expression Pedals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Scott Drengsen To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: <4732240C.3040801@tiscali.co.uk> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-ELNK-Trace: 0e0c3b96ee3ae09b94f5150ab1c16ac01a238acc8405a5b0e9e22eae500badd44f5170962e868f9e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.243.164.112 Resent-Message-ID: <8-uaU.A.LAC.mGZdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:15:35 +0000 (UTC) testing On Wednesday, November 7, 2007, at 12:46 PM, andy butler wrote: > ditch wrestler wrote: >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as >> an expression pedal for the DL4? >> ted. > > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. > OK for slow fadeouts. > > The Boss FV-50L works fine. > (it's a volume control for line level signals) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 00:43:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BEAB3BF25; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:43:19 UTC From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <4732240C.3040801@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: DL4 Expression Pedals Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:38:03 -0500 Message-ID: <008601c849b3$15115450$3f33fcf0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchJr+6HwgfXM8f6QL2jDMkP8fxgSwAAvxgw Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6UKqMOR5vhSNDS6jza78uyx5oovWqYgzzbbN DajzAk8W5Zut1VOdM9NXfVTTYRr+16CA01xl41QTlRkNI7uIr/ 4kPkF0GtN0nbim/TSJ0cQcjGnTZ+uXJXjXNIokiNDQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:43:20 +0000 (UTC) I use a 25k Ernie Ball Vol Pedal Jr....with a mono cable plugged in to the EB's out jack. It works great too. dave eichenberger www.daveeichenberger.com On Wednesday, November 7, 2007, at 12:46 PM, andy butler wrote: > ditch wrestler wrote: >> Anybody know if the Alesis, M-Audio, or Behringer pedals will work as >> an expression pedal for the DL4? >> ted. > > The Alesis works, but the response is very slow. > OK for slow fadeouts. > > The Boss FV-50L works fine. > (it's a volume control for line level signals) > > andy butler > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 02:24:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4198A3BF32; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cKpHb0JyGnQVh1f0rKBQUYXEpvxDG6dDZCHFQoEawnI=; b=OVGNDi7BoXG7tIok5zdOI+yLs62hIhCyO7JBbEflu4/AsLUok/JpTOLyCogWcbjx3lhFlEqxxU6hem1uZKbBnm0q4bfqhxq3/iC4OzTYir4uEDt6DhtXZiM1lCEgRs84PdGGyihntK6eyOvG8ydg17uQB1raOljJTJW+glHyTSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=LP6PchBW1k/0wbKoXdC+y8HFzo0/lcv+segu6oevGNc5qBYuDPDhQLwvLOKI25xtf9pXV8yRcFhZ3zay4UEMk43Aun7+W35Zk+i2N9515urvRXSS0h8OsU7eOy1uopZXbs77rT+RpgQyCztF16Epw9AyEzA1P/zx5dWwJBdt+70= Message-ID: <9e0440a60712281824o5736b343gf86669a1284160e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:24:43 -0500 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Mobius: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712281536u1f9bb9a5s6df8a2302bfd6b35@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11171_29098944.1198895083863" References: <2ED641E6-595C-40FB-B578-874736197383@kliklak.net> <9e0440a60712281223u5531541csc79d3b7d5f63bd13@mail.gmail.com> <9E581B58-EDB1-4112-A573-3B1126220BB4@gmail.com> <9e0440a60712281333u1f7f6f85w36ca34994fc2a3b0@mail.gmail.com> <588ce11d0712281536u1f9bb9a5s6df8a2302bfd6b35@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_11171_29098944.1198895083863 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Art thanks, I agree it's either that or Ghost an image as Per suggested. In the end though it's best to do the 'right' thing I've worked in tech support too long with too many fringe bene's. Jim On 12/28/07, Art Simon wrote: > > Jim, > > I may understand what's going on (or maybe not!). Licensing in the > Windows world is much more restrictive than in the mac world. There > was a time a couple years ago when you could use a Dell Windows CD and > activation code with any computer. Technically, though, you were never > suppose to. The Dell CDs have an OEM license which is suppose to only > apply to the computer it was sold with. I had a bunch of HP computers > at work that came with XP home licenses that were never used. I used > those licenses successfully on other computers until microsoft updated > it's database. Now I can't use any OEM license except on the computer > it came with. > > You can buy a XP disc with license for around $90 from companies like > newegg.com. I don't think there is a cheaper alternative. > > On Dec 28, 2007 1:33 PM, Jim Goodin wrote: > > Per that's interesting and hope Todd sees. We were trying to just make > the > > activation work which I've done a thousand times but totally in a > Windows > > world. The installs I had were OEM installs that came with Dell boxes > which > > sense if not a Dell box will prompt for activation otherwise they don't. > > Every time on the Mac Todd experienced input errors on the activation > code, > > it would never let him fully input the code. We called the activation > > support but of course was pretty useless. Was this somehow a Mac > > incompatibility betweeen it and the Dell CD's. Anyhow I use Ghost a lot > and > > that's a thought actually no reason why that wouldnt' work as long as > you > > can boot the Mac with a ghost boot CD. I've worked with Mac's off and > on > > and now have several in my house and am running on a G4. My kids have > Intel > > Macbooks which will allow me to try bootcamp and experimen t with > this. The > > other option is not bad as you say the idea of reinstalling every 30 a > bit > > annoying, anyhow thanks re Ghost, will explore. > > > > Jim > > > -- > Art Simon > simart@null.net > http://art.simon.tripod.com > http://www.myspace.com/artsimon > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com ------=_Part_11171_29098944.1198895083863 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Art thanks, I agree it's either that or Ghost an image as Per suggested.  In the end though it's best to do the 'right' thing I've worked in tech support too long with too many fringe bene's.

Jim

On 12/28/07, Art Simon <simart@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim,

I may understand what's going on (or maybe not!). Licensing in the
Windows world is much more restrictive than in the mac world. There
was a time a couple years ago when you could use a Dell Windows CD and
activation code with any computer. Technically, though, you were never
suppose to. The Dell CDs have an OEM license which is suppose to only
apply to the computer it was sold with. I had a bunch of HP computers
at work that came with XP home licenses that were never used. I used
those licenses successfully on other computers until microsoft updated
it's database. Now I can't use any OEM license except on the computer
it came with.

You can buy a XP disc with license for around $90 from companies like
newegg.com. I don't think there is a cheaper alternative.

On Dec 28, 2007 1:33 PM, Jim Goodin < jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Per that's interesting and hope Todd sees.  We were trying to just make the
> activation work which I've done a thousand times but totally in a Windows
> world.  The installs I had were OEM installs that came with Dell boxes which
> sense if not a Dell box will prompt for activation otherwise they don't.
> Every time on the Mac Todd experienced input errors on the activation code,
> it would never let him fully input the code.  We called  the activation
> support but of course was pretty useless.  Was this somehow a Mac
> incompatibility betweeen it and the Dell CD's.  Anyhow I use Ghost a lot and
> that's a thought actually no reason why that wouldnt' work as long as you
> can boot the Mac with a ghost boot CD.  I've worked with Mac's off and on
> and now have several in my house and am running on a G4. My kids have Intel
> Macbooks which will allow me to try bootcamp and experimen t with this.  The
> other option is not bad as you say the idea of reinstalling every 30 a bit
> annoying, anyhow thanks re Ghost, will explore.
>
> Jim


--
Art Simon
simart@null.net
http://art.simon.tripod.com
http://www.myspace.com/artsimon




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 05:31:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C19B23BEE4; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:31:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=SSnHo+6Yf4cFEwIH1Lt8vA3hmgEsTzA+dac3uaUkBQE=; b=gcqPxCM5qoM4xzhEc21p3Ef8/NyGmyld/+GIsHfJQgMLsUjqfdZo354qChSi6t5hkySCNztCdGJ2SvG9UnPlXqqPurwjq0DmdyFqrG3UC2qo+BxXPenAZ9aZHsN8AeAecHTRRjw6LFTusE0/FplpDxrGmovMbDJHVaaQOGqapXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=bbrXgQvToEcGK6eyG/DyoHT2bMXfueR/+3PWeEJm6SaL/y9wXiOlaabSgtoz5brRsJEtlehj7itlHwPjNMU1dD0AbyCSVfN9ouHXBKE+ZMFMhhtdUuXnssL84hXmRUs9jyU3x/BI8WqKpGA2THiFnOdei8Jsm2fOADBhJ7cP8QA= From: "Tony K" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Battles Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 00:31:42 -0500 Message-ID: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010D_01C849B2.311BA200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchJU8jMTNWSvfHsRKOzpkOrCWuzfQAh8UOw Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:31:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C849B2.311BA200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum = or Thinking Plague. =20 Yep, I have to agree there. SGM is great. Check out all the associated bands too=85 2 Foot Yard, Charming Hostess, Tin Hat Trio, etc. =20 =20 Good stuff, =20 Tony =20 From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com]=20 Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:15 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles =20 This band is completely over rated and for the life of me I don't = understand the "buzz". What people hear in freeform improv that's cut up into DAW sequenced niceties is beyond me. It's nice that such a band could get noticed, but I sure don't hear anything striking on their CD. Something = that most any improv project I have ever been a part of could accomplish = quite easily. For those thinking this is something special, I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum or Thinking Plague. = Great RIO is 10 times what Battles will ever be IMO. =20 _____ =20 See AOL's HYPERLINK "http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004" = \ntop rated recipes and HYPERLINK "http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000003"= \neasy ways to stay in shape for winter. =20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: = 12/27/2007 1:34 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: = 12/27/2007 1:34 PM =20 ------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C849B2.311BA200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime = Gorilla Museum or Thinking Plague.

 

Yep, I have to agree there.  SGM is great.  Check = out all the associated bands too… 2 Foot Yard, Charming Hostess, Tin Hat Trio, = etc. 

 

Good stuff,

 

Tony

 

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This band is completely over rated and for the life of me I = don't understand the "buzz". What people hear in = freeform improv that's cut up into DAW sequenced niceties is beyond me. It's nice that = such a band could get noticed, but I sure don't hear anything striking on their = CD. Something that most any improv project I have ever been a part of could accomplish quite easily. For those thinking this is something = special, I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum or = Thinking Plague. Great RIO is 10 times what Battles will ever be = IMO.  



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------=_NextPart_000_010D_01C849B2.311BA200-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 06:00:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D33393BF00; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:00:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=AZsf2T8wvWqYixDxnaF+M1W05w1OwdDrq9E+3ZEQSxs=; b=m7VmUdozVW3PIxKwnQc6cI1DqrxC5yAYzWTOZ1Rp42k14HtsL8JEvR4qDOH/nwCiQcnELDgaVd/fP/vbfRncpTPwTgw4H4oO2u5B3xgVKqzg6cS8OA5kBiPmxC0m+lP/oIQ+qvHAhSo4DCeiLzJ9O63RQyobRTwa0PRUR37hmRI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=B60RVz5rW2W5PTAdGzOG3Ejiwb2A1pv5HFnDUogI1BDUxH1impv8B5B4njKxSqBAMYbhxVynHs9m0PrrrSs+mRjuWEQlii98smcABUgNsRmLib+OeoZ2bJ+lCBHn7NpcR9N3Yq8bgwktkgPPVTKXzpRReSICx4XHZ2pza1lU7Xw= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712282200y6210239co52afb6c4fe0d6d68@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 22:00:46 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles In-Reply-To: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:00:48 +0000 (UTC) It's funny, that's just the sort of review that piques my interest. Freeform improv cut up in a DAW is a good summary. I'm enjoying the track SZ2 (off eMusic), great improvised noisy guitar reminds me of Pell Mell and 70s King Crimson at times. The category on eMusic is "Math Rock!" > From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com [mailto:BreachinThePeace@aol.com] > This band is completely over rated and for the life of me I don't understand > the "buzz". What people hear in freeform improv that's cut up into DAW > sequenced niceties is beyond me. -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 07:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CE2A3BF2A; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <348136.25096.qm@web45106.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <099601c849a2$9045c400$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <099601c849a2$9045c400$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:22:20 -0800 Message-ID: <005a01c849eb$8eba85f0$ac2f91d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchJos4EdhJrebXMSNmQ+1Uro1NjDwASINWA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Df6870e2a00008699.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:24:28 +0000 (UTC) And yet expect different results ... 'insanity' .. ;-) -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 2:40 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) They keep repeating!!! Damn, that is annoying. :) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 11:25:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E3203BF40; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=Q_9c5JCwAAAA:8 a=jTyfPJGikGyzExMHLb8A:9 a=he4vOZA5I0MXrzoy8eYA:7 a=oHwbTtqwdRu08sGF9aI-5srWjpIA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=v47ZLdibA2YA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=MIoaGwhXVHFecDbkStYA:9 a=8nV86cnERDaOpY4zThUA:7 a=r6ZgfTkn8dgRrF4e9KZLOKqE9boA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001401c84a0d$883f28d0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> Subject: Re: Battles Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:25:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C849E3.9ECE4060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:25:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C849E3.9ECE4060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also The Book Of Knots is very cool = http://www.myspace.com/thebookofknots http://www.thebookofknots.com/ Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tony K=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:31 AM Subject: RE: Battles > I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum = or Thinking Plague. =20 Yep, I have to agree there. 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>=20 I HIGHLY recommend checking out bands like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum = or=20 Thinking Plague.

 

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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C849E3.9ECE4060-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 13:32:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 562163BF54; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I0ffiz8rPwUA:10 a=hLVndRFCAAAA:8 a=dqRDFqv49gF5muBEYhoA:9 a=whqpsgduLJXXmJT1snMA:7 a=KG0Id34_X8LQQLYgFDuBzFDhaswA:4 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:32:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Rick and all, On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay time in the regular models at leasts as much as the looper, in lieu of that I wish it had variable feedback on the looper, I love your 1/4 time switch idea. More sound mangling options! On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has 1- no expression pedal control 2- no feedback on the looper 3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, double speed switchs 5- except for some tricks talked about on this list you can't go back and forth between ( i wish all of the presets) two or more presets, modifying them as you go. 6- I wish that you could stop, start the playback of a loop with the push of a button (no stutters on this one) That said the two of them together are a blast. Good topic Rick! Jeff http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 AM Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) > I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked > about my recommendations about what to buy when getting > started with live looping. > > I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and I'm mostly > talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many options > are > available through cool new software solutions). > > One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out > what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, > in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an > existing looping pedal (or software solution). > > It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are trying > figure out if you want to buy it or not. > > I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: > The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): > > > > WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: > > I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal rather > than > a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. > > Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. > > I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot more, so > it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly > add that much to a floor model live looping device? > > And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time switch > as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to > do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on > how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time bandwidth) > > I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would sound > really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such a > feature > which seems not too difficult to program. > > Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley uninterested in > adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live looping > community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this > pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay units of > yesteryear). > > Still, this is what I"d add. > > What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: > 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 14:47:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9D953BF69; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:47:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:47:18 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:47:20 +0000 (UTC) I sent this already for christmas, but, maybe because of the attachment it didn't make it to the list. This time with a link instead: http://www.savefile.com/files/1290897 I liked these Minitaure a lot, some are even magic... Daryl Shawn schrieb: > I wish I could do would be to set instructions in the CD information > so that the repeat button would automatically be activated. Of course this triggered the wish to have a player which would play them randomly for a random time. Easy to do in Max of course.... My little christmas present is a so called collective, you have to download the runtime of Max at www.Cycling74.com and on windows machines Quicktime has to be installed as well... You have to drag & drop the folder with all the miniatures on to the window of the Miniatures Player. Later I will make a standalone application which would be able to load them automatically if they are in a folder at the same place as the application, but I am on a slow line at the moment and have no windows machine with Max installed, that's why for christmas the collective has to do it... I hope this time it will make it to the list, let me know what works or doesn't work... Have fun... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 18:22:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D5643BEC1; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:22:14 UTC In-Reply-To: <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-29--545884602 Message-Id: From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:15:31 -0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:22:16 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-29--545884602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and I wish the switches, both internal and external were more robust. I replaced all switches connected to the board and external metal swtiches on the unit. On the RC50 I wish there was a dedicated guitar and instrument OUT instead of only instrument In. And the Mic out was an XLR. They way Roland did it to my mine was not professional. On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > Rick and all, > On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay time in the regular > models at leasts as much as the looper, > in lieu of that I wish it had variable feedback on the looper, I > love your 1/4 time switch idea. More sound mangling > options! > > On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has > 1- no expression pedal control > 2- no feedback on the looper > 3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, double speed switchs > 5- except for some tricks talked about on this list you can't go > back and forth between ( i wish all of the presets) > two or more presets, modifying them as you go. > 6- I wish that you could stop, start the playback of a loop with > the push of a button (no stutters on this one) > > That said the two of them together are a blast. Good topic Rick! > > Jeff > http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 AM > Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) > > >> I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked >> about my recommendations about what to buy when getting >> started with live looping. >> >> I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and >> I'm mostly >> talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many >> options are >> available through cool new software solutions). >> >> One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out >> what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, >> in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an >> existing looping pedal (or software solution). >> >> It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are >> trying >> figure out if you want to buy it or not. >> >> I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: >> The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): >> >> >> >> WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: >> >> I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal >> rather than >> a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. >> >> Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. >> >> I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot >> more, so >> it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly >> add that much to a floor model live looping device? >> >> And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time >> switch >> as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to >> do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on >> how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time >> bandwidth) >> >> I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would >> sound >> really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such >> a feature >> which seems not too difficult to program. >> >> Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley >> uninterested in >> adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live >> looping >> community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this >> pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay >> units of yesteryear). >> >> Still, this is what I"d add. >> >> What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >> 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM >> > > Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-29--545884602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and I wish the switches, = both internal and external were more robust. I replaced all switches = connected to the board and external metal swtiches on the unit.=A0
On the RC50 I wish there = was a dedicated guitar and instrument OUT instead of only instrument In. = And the Mic out was an XLR. They way Roland did it to my mine was not = professional.


On Dec 29, = 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:

Rick and all,
On the DL-4 I = wish that it had more delay time in the regular models at leasts as much = as the looper,
in lieu of that I wish it had = variable feedback on the looper, I love your 1/4 time switch idea. More = sound mangling
options!

On the = Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has
1- no = expression pedal control
2- no = feedback on the looper
3,4- no forward, reverse, = half speed, double speed switchs
5- except for = some tricks talked about on this list you can't go back and forth = between ( i wish all of the presets)
two or more = presets, modifying them as you go.
6- I wish = that you could stop, start the playback of a loop with the push of a = button (no stutters on this one)

That said the two of them = together are a blast. Good topic Rick!




----- = Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, = 2007 1:53 AM
Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE = ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S)

=
I"m being approached = continually by newbies and asked
about my = recommendations about what to buy when getting
started with live looping.

I have = my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and I'm = mostly
talking about hardware = here,=A0 though do alert = people to how many options are
available = through cool new software solutions).

One thing I = thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out
what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers = and what,
in a perfect world,=A0 the loop manufacturers would = add to an
existing looping pedal (or = software solution).
It's nice to know what the = drawbacks are in a pedal when you are trying
figure out if you want to buy it or not.

I'll = start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers:
The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street = price $250):



WHAT I DON'T = LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4:

I love this pedal but wish to = hell that it was a true stereo pedal rather than
a sum to mono pedal that purports to be = stereo.

Additionally,=A0= I wish it had midi synchronization.

I know that = all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot more, so
it makes me wonder. =A0 Does adding midi sync = capability truly
add that much to a floor model = live looping device?
And one last wish: =A0 I think it would be cool if = it had a 1/4 time switch
as well as a = 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to
do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as = slow depending on
how one started recording (in = 1/4 time bandwidth or full time bandwidth)

I know that = this would add so many artifacts that the loop would sound
really weird and non-naturalistic: =A0 That's why I wish it had such = a feature
which seems not too difficult to = program.

Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been = completley uninterested in
adding = features for the sake of the looping community. =A0 The live looping
community is just a small fraction of the people who = buy this
pedal (mostly for it's digital = modellings of all the cool delay units of yesteryear).

=A0 this is what = I"d add.

What do you all think about your favorite pedals = limitations?


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= --Apple-Mail-29--545884602-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 18:48:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5FEC3BEC1; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000701c84a4b$7706dc00$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:48:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C84A4B.76DE4560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:48:49 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C84A4B.76DE4560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I also wish the DL4 had: 1. More delay time. 2. More looper time (like the Echo Pro. 3. A way of going into reverse whilst a loop is playing without, on the = first press going into half speed. 4. A clip to hold the 9V lead in place. 5. A loop fade out option. 6. a global tap tempo, so that tapping tempo in one programme means you = can change programmes within a piece without havingt to retap tempo in. 7. Mechanically quieter footswitches. 8. Tap tempo (probably external footswitch) for the looper. Wishes are great aren't they! Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sean Mormelo=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:15 PM Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and I wish the = switches, both internal and external were more robust. I replaced all = switches connected to the board and external metal swtiches on the unit. = On the RC50 I wish there was a dedicated guitar and instrument OUT = instead of only instrument In. And the Mic out was an XLR. They way = Roland did it to my mine was not professional. On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: Rick and all, On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay time in the regular models = at leasts as much as the looper, in lieu of that I wish it had variable feedback on the looper, I = love your 1/4 time switch idea. More sound mangling options! On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has 1- no expression pedal control 2- no feedback on the looper 3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, double speed switchs 5- except for some tricks talked about on this list you can't go = back and forth between ( i wish all of the presets) two or more presets, modifying them as you go. 6- I wish that you could stop, start the playback of a loop with the = push of a button (no stutters on this one) That said the two of them together are a blast. Good topic Rick! Jeff http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" = To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" = Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 AM Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked about my recommendations about what to buy when getting started with live looping. I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and = I'm mostly talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many = options are available through cool new software solutions). One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an existing looping pedal (or software solution). It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are = trying figure out if you want to buy it or not. I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal = rather than a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot = more, so it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly add that much to a floor model live looping device? And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time = switch as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one = to do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time = bandwidth) I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would = sound really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such = a feature which seems not too difficult to program. Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley = uninterested in adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live = looping community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay = units of yesteryear). Still, this is what I"d add. What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? --=20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: = 269.17.11/1200 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 1:34 PM Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C84A4B.76DE4560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I also wish the DL4 had:
 
1. More delay time.
 
2. More looper time (like the Echo Pro.
 
3. A way of going into reverse whilst a loop is = playing=20 without, on the first press going into half speed.
 
4. A clip to hold the 9V lead in place.
 
5. A loop fade out option.
 
6. a global tap tempo, so that tapping tempo in one = programme=20 means you can change programmes within a piece without havingt to retap = tempo=20 in.
 
7. Mechanically quieter footswitches.
 
8. Tap tempo (probably external footswitch) for the=20 looper.
 
Wishes are great aren't they!
Ian.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Sean=20 Mormelo
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 29, = 2007 6:15=20 PM
Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU = LIKE ABOUT=20 YOUR LOOPER(S)

On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and I = wish the=20 switches, both internal and external were more robust. I replaced all = switches=20 connected to the board and external metal swtiches on the unit. 

On the RC50 I wish there was a dedicated guitar and instrument = OUT=20 instead of only instrument In. And the Mic out was an XLR. They way = Roland did=20 it to my mine was not professional.


On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote:
Rick and all,
On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay = time in=20 the regular models at leasts as much as the looper,
in lieu of that I wish it had variable = feedback on=20 the looper, I love your 1/4 time switch idea. More sound = mangling
options!

On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it = has
1- no expression pedal control
2- no feedback on the looper
3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, = double speed=20 switchs
5- except for some tricks talked about on = this list=20 you can't go back and forth between ( i wish all of the = presets)
two or more presets, modifying them as = you=20 go.
6- I wish that you could stop, start the = playback=20 of a loop with the push of a button (no stutters on this one)

That said the two of them together are a = blast.=20 Good topic Rick!

Jeff
http://www.thisphase.org/lips= .html



----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick = Walker"=20 <looppool@cruzio.com>
To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" <Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com>
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 = AM
Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR=20 LOOPER(S)


I"m being approached continually by = newbies and=20 asked
about my recommendations about what to = buy when=20 getting
started with live looping.

I have my own personal favorites in = different=20 price ranges (and I'm mostly
talking about hardware here,  though do alert people = to how=20 many options are
available through cool new software=20 solutions).

One thing I thought might be valuable = as a=20 resource is to find out
what people DON'T like about their = favorite=20 loopers and what,
in a perfect world,  the loop manufacturers = would add=20 to an
existing looping pedal (or software=20 solution).

It's nice to know what the drawbacks = are in a=20 pedal when you are trying
figure out if you want to buy it or = not.

I'll start off by listing one of my = favorites=20 stomp box loopers:
The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping = pedal=20 (street price $250):



WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 = DL-4:

I love this pedal but wish to hell that = it was a=20 true stereo pedal rather than
a sum to mono pedal that purports to be = stereo.

Additionally,  I wish it had midi=20 synchronization.

I know that all units that do midi=20 synchronization cost a lot more, so
it makes me wonder.   Does adding midi sync = capability=20 truly
add that much to a floor model live = looping=20 device?

And one last wish:   I think it would be = cool if it=20 had a 1/4 time switch
as well as a 1/4 time switch for the = loops (which=20 would allow one to
do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 = times as=20 slow depending on
how one started recording (in 1/4 time = bandwidth=20 or full time bandwidth)

I know that this would add so many = artifacts that=20 the loop would sound
really weird and non-naturalistic: =   That's why I wish it = had such a=20 feature
which seems not too difficult to = program.

Now the Line 6 people have, in the = past, been=20 completley uninterested in
adding features for the sake of the = looping=20 community.   The = live=20 looping
community is just a small fraction of = the people=20 who buy this
pedal (mostly for it's digital = modellings of all=20 the cool delay units of yesteryear).

Still, =20 this is what I"d add.

What do you all think about your = favorite pedals=20 limitations?


-- 
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Sean Mormelo
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 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C84A4B.76DE4560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 19:18:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6093C3BECD; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:18:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I0ffiz8rPwUA:10 a=L1oLdDt1oKiPEoMl33gA:9 a=ZdgQQrRutGqq_FH7x5UA:7 a=xQuYWFd8a9F1PPhXSAjXcYCf8SwA:4 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=6-x43y6uxGMA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:19:01 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c84a4f$ab40ed90$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchJHmYMgIq5/KMYR0SlLRDxcSq7DwBMSZIg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:18:56 +0000 (UTC) No groupies. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 10:54 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) I"m being approached continually by newbies and asked about my recommendations about what to buy when getting started with live looping. I have my own personal favorites in different price ranges (and I'm mostly talking about hardware here, though do alert people to how many options are available through cool new software solutions). One thing I thought might be valuable as a resource is to find out what people DON'T like about their favorite loopers and what, in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers would add to an existing looping pedal (or software solution). It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a pedal when you are trying figure out if you want to buy it or not. I'll start off by listing one of my favorites stomp box loopers: The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal (street price $250): WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was a true stereo pedal rather than a sum to mono pedal that purports to be stereo. Additionally, I wish it had midi synchronization. I know that all units that do midi synchronization cost a lot more, so it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync capability truly add that much to a floor model live looping device? And one last wish: I think it would be cool if it had a 1/4 time switch as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops (which would allow one to do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times as slow depending on how one started recording (in 1/4 time bandwidth or full time bandwidth) I know that this would add so many artifacts that the loop would sound really weird and non-naturalistic: That's why I wish it had such a feature which seems not too difficult to program. Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been completley uninterested in adding features for the sake of the looping community. The live looping community is just a small fraction of the people who buy this pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of all the cool delay units of yesteryear). Still, this is what I"d add. What do you all think about your favorite pedals limitations? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 19:42:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1167D3BED9; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=1IcAGhbQr1cEuU+ayuMAPR29eGc+DljuZCAlTTVcxwc=; b=mXKmN3mo0UjQadyQtBYyiebTVdIHKHQDbxd3QXSUx8KnwYFP5k2qv1vhhBlX2Vf++YZ3HxoBJAB+c+t9O9y1i/3LoM974qp5ZwhGC2quhF94WqTfbAVxDFcByi5ECW0UByCR2KmrYtToLcAvWx8kbBpPvCS1hzd4ybNmtg9INRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=ePVkjp0+dydzyEXnkLpgHa3Si/H1OSnNFYLx8j2rGmzPJb+RCN5botP4ueNSYg3oKwRuF5v79dq3BE6FqfCA92vnOaBuUDGBMjK7ol5RoGbxIXV8yhKW1cC2qByYLbfbc6mjQ0uacjJIfA3NclYg9xJggWytsminqM9EHC5MJ/Y= Message-ID: <9ab0c76f0712291142i65ce2bbnd89bfd5d62055973@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:42:41 +0100 From: "mark francombe" Sender: markfrancombe@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) In-Reply-To: <001201c84a4f$ab40ed90$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <001201c84a4f$ab40ed90$60041718@gwdesk> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 99a2b9d49e5ae6e5 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:42:43 +0000 (UTC) what i dont like about the edp? well, one is not enough... and I only have one? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:13:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E03D93BECD; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:13:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000701c84a4b$7706dc00$6c052052@customer3530f5> References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <000701c84a4b$7706dc00$6c052052@customer3530f5> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--538813507 Message-Id: <146dc777ac4998856811a0b76b85faed@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: (DD-20) WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:13:22 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77574 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:13:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--538813507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi gang, I mostly use the Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP). But, there's not much I'd change about it at this juncture in time. =46rom my point of view, it has been the "perfect looper" for me for = well =20 over a decade now - no real complaints at all . . . yes, really. If I ever said I wished it were stereo, well, I've owned 2 from day one =20= and have only mildly missed the extra rack-space taken up by it a =20 couple of times. The pair of them do everything I want them to do and more and have =20 proved nearly bullet-proof for what gigging I do for quite a long time =20= now. Thank you Matthias Grob and Kim Flint - bless your pea-pickin' hearts. You've blessed my musical life more than you will ever know. But, ultimately, the inevitable will happen . . . I will go the =20 software route eventually. It seems to be the way to go. I can only hope that by the time I do I will be able to find a solution =20= on the Mac that will work just like the EDP and also work seamlessly =20 with MAX/MSP. Perhaps an EDP "clone" could be (or has already been) created in MAX - =20= I don't know. I'll get there eventually. For now, my 2 EDPs, 2 Vortexes and 2 Akiras are getting me by well =20 enough. My rig has slimmed down considerably in the last few months (if not =20 gone away entirely). However . . . What I am mostly posting about is the fact that I sometimes use a Boss =20= DD-20. After having had a pair of DL-4s, an RC-20, I sort of gravitated to the =20= DD-20 for my quick "special-ops" on-the-fly gig-rig for where I didn't =20= want (or need) to take the whole big rack thing along. At one point I even had 3 DD-20s - which I eventually realized was =20 overkill. I now only have just the one. What I DO wish were different about the DD-20 are just a few little =20 details. 1. I wish it had 24 seconds of delay instead of only 23 (24 is = wholly =20 divisible in so many useful ways, 23 is a prime number and is not) =20 which would help greatly when trying to set up delays in divisions of =20= 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 or 12 even seconds against a longer loop of 24. 2. I also wish it had an assignable socket for an EV-5 pedal = instead of =20 just an external momentary switch (I'm an old guy and not too limber =20 any more, I hate bending over from the waist on stage to tweak knobs =20= on the floor - argh!) that could be used to alter loop volume or =20 feedback level or even loop time (I love the glitchy effects the DD-20 =20= makes when tweaking the loop time a little on an already existing =20 loop). This seems like pretty small potatoes to me. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20= --Apple-Mail-1--538813507 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi gang, I mostly use the Echoplex Digital Pro (EDP).=20 But, there's not much I'd change about it at this juncture in time. =46rom my point of view, it has been the "perfect looper" for me for well over a decade now - no real complaints at all . . . yes, really. If I ever said I wished it were stereo, well, I've owned 2 from day one and have only mildly missed the extra rack-space taken up by it a couple of times. The pair of them do everything I want them to do and more and have proved nearly bullet-proof for what gigging I do for quite a long time now. Thank you Matthias Grob and Kim Flint - bless your pea-pickin' hearts. You've blessed my musical life more than you will ever know. But, ultimately, the inevitable will happen . . . I will go the software route eventually. It seems to be the way to go. I can only hope that by the time I do I will be able to find a solution on the Mac that will work just like the EDP and also work seamlessly with MAX/MSP. Perhaps an EDP "clone" could be (or has already been) created in MAX - I don't know. I'll get there eventually. For now, my 2 EDPs, 2 Vortexes and 2 Akiras are getting me by well enough. My rig has slimmed down considerably in the last few months (if not gone away entirely). However . . . What I am mostly posting about is the fact that I sometimes use a Boss DD-20. After having had a pair of DL-4s, an RC-20, I sort of gravitated to the DD-20 for my quick "special-ops" on-the-fly gig-rig for where I didn't want (or need) to take the whole big rack thing along. At one point I even had 3 DD-20s - which I eventually realized was overkill. I now only have just the one. What I DO wish were different about the DD-20 are just a few little details. 1. I wish it had 24 seconds of delay instead of only 23 (24 is = wholly divisible in so many useful ways, 23 is a prime number and is not) which would help greatly when trying to set up delays in divisions of 2, 3, 4, 6, 8 or 12 even seconds against a longer loop of 24. 2. I also wish it had an assignable socket for an EV-5 pedal = instead of just an external momentary switch (I'm an old guy and not too limber any more, I hate bending over from the waist on stage to tweak knobs on the floor - argh!) that could be used to alter loop volume or feedback level or even loop time (I love the glitchy effects the DD-20 makes when tweaking the loop time a little on an already existing loop). This seems like pretty small potatoes to me. Best regards, tEd =AE KiLLiAnCourier www.tedkillian.comHelvetica = CourierFFFF,0C0C,000= 0Different is not always better, but better is always different" =20 7F7F,7A7A,7A7AFlux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D1211970 00042=20 =20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? = = --Apple-Mail-1--538813507-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:15:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 297D43BEC5; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8I1n7Y5m2jUA:10 a=In_mx1X12zD4hKEyEz4A:9 a=m86jigmhhkgV7noRIDSkTiBihm0A:4 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <20071228141037.57C253BEC5@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <0A72B29F-A8E0-4B2C-B482-C45F4DD8A37A@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Repeater: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:15:33 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77575 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:15:33 +0000 (UTC) What I don't like about the Electrix Repeater: - recorded audio sounds unnaturally compressed and harsh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:34:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017823BEE4; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OININ+JDbWM= From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:34:50 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c84a5a$428ba820$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001201c84a4f$ab40ed90$60041718@gwdesk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AchJHmYMgIq5/KMYR0SlLRDxcSq7DwBMSZIgAAKl9EA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77576 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) That's the problem of the specific looper (person), not of the looper (device), as can be seen by how other loopers (persons) fare: http://www.flickr.com/photos/moinsound/277500457/ Rainer > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: greg williams [mailto:gregorwilliams@comcast.net]=20 > Gesendet: Samstag, 29. Dezember 2007 20:19 > An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Betreff: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) >=20 > No groupies. >=20 > ~Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:39:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8A0133BECC; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1031 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:39:14 UTC Message-Id: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:22:01 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:39:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi loopers, We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) Logelloop can be controlled with any MIDI footboard or controller, a Wiimote, a standard USB keyboard or even a labjack U12 (http://www.labjack.com ). With Logelloop you can : - Make multitrack mono or stereo audio loops (up to 10 tracks in 3 banks). - Change the speed of each track separately. - Use time stretch or realtime pitch shift. - Spatialize directly to up to 9 speakers (including LFE), mix in stereo or output each track separately to another software or hardware. - Make your own Macros or use those installed with Logelloop. - Mix directly inside Logelloop and use your VST plug-ins and memorize every state in presets. - Use a Granular synthesis arpeggiator. - Use Delays synced to your audio loops - Use Convolution between loops - Use Ring modulation between loops - Save your loops on your HD and reload them in Logelloop or your favorite audio software - Insert your own patches made with Max/MSP as external FXs - Play Aiff or Wav audio files - Import audio stuff from another audio soft as loops - Etc. Basic looping functions of Logelloop : - Record - Play - Overdub in another track or in mixed mode in the same track - Multiply - Copy from one loop to another. - CopyAfter : Copy the content of one loop after the content of another loop. - CopyToFile : Copy the content of the loop on the hard drive (this function will permit to load each track separatly in another music software). - Nextloop : To go from one loop to another one. - Direct call of each loop (A, B, C). - Mute - Autofade : Auto fade-in or Auto fade-out. - Restart : Restart the current loop immediatly. - Emergency : To undo the last command. - Erase each track one by one, all overdubs but the first track, all tracks, all loops in one shot. - Etc. To know more, please go to our site or contact us directly. http://logelloop.logellou.com/ Logelloop cost only 199 euros and one license permit to use it on two computers. Regards and happy new year. Philippe OLLIVIER. ------------------------------------- http://logelloop.logellou.com/ www.philippeollivier.com www.logellou.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 20:50:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 509C83BED6; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:50:49 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6EWvW.A.kJD.lMrdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Matt Davignon wrote, about the Line 6 DL-4: "Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the delay modelers more than the looper." Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who uses the DL-4 as a delay modeller unless it's in conjunction with another DL:-4 as a looper, but then again, we both tend to hang out with musicians who are really 'out of the box' and who are very, very creative. The guy at Line 6 practically laughed at me when I started talking to him about adding features at NAMM several years ago. He said the looping function was just thrown in as an afterthought and that it was guitar players who bought the pedal for delays who made up 95% of their clientelle. Now, it suddenly occurs to me, years later, that he was just sick and tired of people with suggestions for improvements that one gets at NAMM and he was just brushing me off, but who knows. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:01:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E413BEDA; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 450 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:01:34 UTC X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I0ffiz8rPwUA:10 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=BOFBxZODBZqIK8OmNQAA:9 a=tyID_GMsAx_3V-A7EH9WZaiX1OUA:4 a=QcA7-qHrZH4A:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nkpMz7UGRZ3GpsV2s_cA:9 a=AbjMA2nk7BDpxRkRy-AA:7 a=P6OB8JkMCc30iZmvpPNMYIARfYcA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp07.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=ejyuhas@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp07.embarq.synacor.com: 71.1.170.213 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) From: "ejyuhas" Message-ID: To: "'Rick Walker'" , "'LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)'" Subject: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:58:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C84A33.96D295F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchKXX8Sr0c4O4yiSl24M1YgYD8CAA== Resent-Message-ID: <6QwfdC.A.niD.uWrdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:01:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C84A33.96D295F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I, too have two DL-4s and love them both! I use one for weird delays, and feed into the second as a looper. I also use an RC-20 and a DD-20... What I don't like about these floor boxes is that none of them have controllable feedback. Well, the DD-20 does have some sort of control to it, but it's most definitely not the same as an EDP or LP-1. So, I guess my big gripe is...with all this high-tech small circuitry wizardry available in the world, how come the mfr's can't make this available on the floor boxes? It's just another knob and a circuit! :-) Otherwise, I guess I need to "take the plunge" and get an EDP or LP-1 and go through the same programming frustrations that I see everyone posting here on a regular basis. But I was trying to avoid all that! Anyway...it still doesn't discourage me, I am just as creative with all the gear I currently own. Well, Happy Continuous Looping to you all in the New Year! Ed in NJ http://www.myspace.com/edward_yuhas ------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C84A33.96D295F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I, too have two DL-4s and love them both! I use one = for weird delays, and feed into the second as a = looper…

 

I also use an RC-20 and a = DD-20...

 

What I don't like about these floor boxes is that = none of them have controllable feedback. Well, the DD-20 does have some sort of = control to it, but it's most definitely not the same as an EDP or = LP-1.

 

So, I guess my big gripe is...with all this high-tech = small circuitry wizardry available in the world, how come the mfr's can't make = this available on the floor boxes? It's just another knob and a circuit! = :-)

 

Otherwise, I guess I need to "take the = plunge" and get an EDP or LP-1 and go through the same programming frustrations that = I see everyone posting here on a regular basis. But I was trying to avoid all = that!

 

Anyway...it still doesn't discourage me, I am just as creative with all the gear I currently own. =

 

 

Well,

 

Happy Continuous Looping to you all in the New = Year!

 

Ed in NJ

http://www.myspace.com/edwar= d_yuhas

 

 

------=_NextPart_000_00B5_01C84A33.96D295F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:09:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3180B3BEE2; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I0ffiz8rPwUA:10 a=aPrRd-doG3821Bd0naMA:9 a=KYN0kKa1-FITFmaDbKUA:7 a=xOSTzRVaVvze4-x9EtnkFrE2R6wA:4 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 From: "greg williams" To: Subject: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:09:09 -0800 Message-ID: <001a01c84a5f$0e378fd0$60041718@gwdesk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: AchKXH3qEujgW/nuQ8aUBt1Or42lbAAANLIg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:09:13 +0000 (UTC) I use the dl4 just for the delay models, in stereo with an expression pedal, fed into 2 EDPs. I like it a lot just for the delay models, particularly reverse. I wish that it had a more reliable tap tempo though, and quieter switches. A second expression pedal out would be cool as well. ~Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 12:51 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Matt Davignon wrote, about the Line 6 DL-4: "Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the delay modelers more than the looper." Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who uses the DL-4 as a delay modeller unless it's in conjunction with another DL:-4 as a looper, but then again, we both tend to hang out with musicians who are really 'out of the box' and who are very, very creative. The guy at Line 6 practically laughed at me when I started talking to him about adding features at NAMM several years ago. He said the looping function was just thrown in as an afterthought and that it was guitar players who bought the pedal for delays who made up 95% of their clientelle. Now, it suddenly occurs to me, years later, that he was just sick and tired of people with suggestions for improvements that one gets at NAMM and he was just brushing me off, but who knows. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:14:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 263713BEA6; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <7df96fc0da697b2f26083c62bc070899@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:14:05 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:14:11 +0000 (UTC) Philippe, This sounds just great! I just need to get an Intel-based Mac laptop now. That's sort of been the budgetary problem all along though. I'm still stuck with an older 500 MHz PowerPC G3 iBook from 2001. Gotta keep shoes on da kids feet ya know. Choices, choices. Ah, that's life. Well, At least I know it's out there. I'll save your message for when the time comes. Cheers, tEd =AE KiLLiAn On Dec 29, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Philippe ollivier wrote: > Hi loopers, > > We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. > Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every Mac=20= > under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) > Logelloop can be controlled with any MIDI footboard or controller, a=20= > Wiimote, a standard USB keyboard or even a labjack U12=20 > (http://www.labjack.com). > > With Logelloop you can : > > - Make multitrack mono or stereo audio loops (up to 10 tracks in 3=20 > banks). > - Change the speed of each track separately. > - Use time stretch or realtime pitch shift. > - Spatialize directly to up to 9 speakers (including LFE), mix in=20 > stereo or output each track separately to another software or=20 > hardware. > - Make your own Macros or use those installed with Logelloop. > - Mix directly inside Logelloop and use your VST plug-ins and memorize=20= > every state in presets. > - Use a Granular synthesis arpeggiator. > - Use Delays synced to your audio loops > - Use Convolution between loops > - Use Ring modulation between loops > - Save your loops on your HD and reload them in Logelloop or your=20 > favorite audio software > - Insert your own patches made with Max/MSP as external FXs > - Play Aiff or Wav audio files > - Import audio stuff from another audio soft as loops > - Etc. > > Basic looping functions of Logelloop : > > - Record > - Play > - Overdub in another track or in mixed mode in the same track > - Multiply > - Copy from one loop to another. > - CopyAfter : Copy the content of one loop after the content of=20 > another loop. > - CopyToFile : Copy the content of the loop on the hard drive (this=20 > function will permit to load each track separatly in another music=20 > software). > - Nextloop : To go from one loop to another one. > - Direct call of each loop (A, B, C). > - Mute > - Autofade : Auto fade-in or Auto fade-out. > - Restart : Restart the current loop immediatly. > - Emergency : To undo the last command. > - Erase each track one by one, all overdubs but the first track, all=20= > tracks, all loops in one shot. > - Etc. > > To know more, please go to our site or contact us directly. > http://logelloop.logellou.com/ > > Logelloop cost only 199 euros and one license permit to use it on two=20= > computers. > > Regards and happy new year. > Philippe OLLIVIER. > > ------------------------------------- > http://logelloop.logellou.com/ > www.philippeollivier.com > www.logellou.com > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:27:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9423BEE2; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:27:53 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Kris Hartung wrote about loopers in general: "They keep repeating!!! Damn, that is annoying. :)" Apparently, Kris, it's time for you to make that loop-less Jazz guitar record that Rainer envisions you recording in 2008, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 21:43:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 759343BEDD; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:43:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00b201c84a63$d1754380$6b01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <000701c84a4b$7706dc00$6c052052@customer3530f5> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:43:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C84A20.C305B840" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.001 () HTML_MESSAGE X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: <7PkZ1.A.D6E.p9rdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:43:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C84A20.C305B840 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Currently, the only looper I use on a regular basis is the Boomerang. I = still own my Repeater, though I keep thinking of selling it, my JamMan = went to someone on this list, my DL-4 is busted and I can't afford a new = one, and I'm slowly coming to grips with various software-based looping = tools, but I take the Boomerang to every gig with my band and use it a = lot. What I don't like: You have to stop playback to change speed. This is my biggest complaint. = I play bass in a pretty dense band, often there's not only the kick = drum, but also programmed kicks and basslines to compete with. So = there's not a lot of need for more low-end density. So I capture a lot = of loops that I double-speed up an octave, and reverse, and fade in and = out with a volume pedal to add layers of texture. It'd be really cool to = do this without stopping. Yeah, I know the DL-4 can do it, but like I = said, mine broke (at the start of one our biggest gigs ever, no less), = and I haven't been able to replace it. Also, the Boomerang is just too freaking big! I have a stupidly big = pedalboard already, it seems like the stompboxes that sound the best to = my ears are all big, Moogerfoogers in particular, and I have to place = the Boomerang off of my pedalboard. ------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C84A20.C305B840 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Currently, the only looper I use on a = regular basis=20 is the Boomerang. I still own my Repeater, though I keep thinking of = selling it,=20 my JamMan went to someone on this list, my DL-4 is busted and I can't = afford a=20 new one, and I'm slowly coming to grips with various software-based = looping=20 tools, but I take the Boomerang to every gig with my band and use it a=20 lot.
 
What I don't like:
You have to stop = playback to=20 change speed. This is my biggest complaint. I play bass in a pretty = dense band,=20 often there's not only the kick drum, but also programmed kicks and = basslines to=20 compete with. So there's not a lot of need for more low-end density. So = I=20 capture a lot of loops that I double-speed up an octave, and reverse, = and fade=20 in and out with a volume pedal to add layers of texture. It'd be really = cool to=20 do this without stopping. Yeah, I know the DL-4 can do it, but like I = said, mine=20 broke (at the start of one our biggest gigs ever, no less), and I = haven't been=20 able to replace it.
 
Also, the Boomerang is just too = freaking big! I=20 have a stupidly big pedalboard already, it seems like the stompboxes = that sound=20 the best to my ears are all big, Moogerfoogers in particular, and I have = to=20 place the Boomerang off of my pedalboard.
------=_NextPart_000_00AF_01C84A20.C305B840-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 22:03:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E27FE3BEF1; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 6079 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:03:21 UTC Message-Id: <5B739E11-3D5E-4B16-BC25-896FC172CEA9@logellou.com> From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <7df96fc0da697b2f26083c62bc070899@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:03:20 +0100 References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <7df96fc0da697b2f26083c62bc070899@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:03:22 +0000 (UTC) Hi Ted, Mi girlfriend just bought a powerbook 1.67 ghz with 1.5 Go of RAm for =20= only 600 Euros. It is more than needed to run Logelloop and I think you can find a =20 powerbook for less than that... ok an intel-based laptop is better though -) Thanks, Philippe OLLIVIER. Le 29 d=E9c. 07 =E0 22:14, tEd =AE KiLLiAn a =E9crit : > Philippe, > > This sounds just great! > > I just need to get an Intel-based Mac laptop now. > > That's sort of been the budgetary problem all along though. > > I'm still stuck with an older 500 MHz PowerPC G3 iBook from 2001. > > Gotta keep shoes on da kids feet ya know. > > Choices, choices. > > Ah, that's life. > > Well, At least I know it's out there. > > I'll save your message for when the time comes. > > Cheers, > > tEd =AE KiLLiAn > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Philippe ollivier wrote: > >> Hi loopers, >> >> We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. >> Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every =20= >> Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) >> Logelloop can be controlled with any MIDI footboard or controller, =20= >> a Wiimote, a standard USB keyboard or even a labjack U12 = (http://www.labjack.com=20 >> ). >> >> With Logelloop you can : >> >> - Make multitrack mono or stereo audio loops (up to 10 tracks in 3 =20= >> banks). >> - Change the speed of each track separately. >> - Use time stretch or realtime pitch shift. >> - Spatialize directly to up to 9 speakers (including LFE), mix in =20 >> stereo or output each track separately to another software or =20 >> hardware. >> - Make your own Macros or use those installed with Logelloop. >> - Mix directly inside Logelloop and use your VST plug-ins and =20 >> memorize every state in presets. >> - Use a Granular synthesis arpeggiator. >> - Use Delays synced to your audio loops >> - Use Convolution between loops >> - Use Ring modulation between loops >> - Save your loops on your HD and reload them in Logelloop or your =20 >> favorite audio software >> - Insert your own patches made with Max/MSP as external FXs >> - Play Aiff or Wav audio files >> - Import audio stuff from another audio soft as loops >> - Etc. >> >> Basic looping functions of Logelloop : >> >> - Record >> - Play >> - Overdub in another track or in mixed mode in the same track >> - Multiply >> - Copy from one loop to another. >> - CopyAfter : Copy the content of one loop after the content of =20 >> another loop. >> - CopyToFile : Copy the content of the loop on the hard drive (this =20= >> function will permit to load each track separatly in another music =20= >> software). >> - Nextloop : To go from one loop to another one. >> - Direct call of each loop (A, B, C). >> - Mute >> - Autofade : Auto fade-in or Auto fade-out. >> - Restart : Restart the current loop immediatly. >> - Emergency : To undo the last command. >> - Erase each track one by one, all overdubs but the first track, =20 >> all tracks, all loops in one shot. >> - Etc. >> >> To know more, please go to our site or contact us directly. >> http://logelloop.logellou.com/ >> >> Logelloop cost only 199 euros and one license permit to use it on =20 >> two computers. >> >> Regards and happy new year. >> Philippe OLLIVIER. >> >> ------------------------------------- >> http://logelloop.logellou.com/ >> www.philippeollivier.com >> www.logellou.com >> >> > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 22:17:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108EB3BEF7; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <276A453D-8E54-4B6E-9703-CEFE983BA87D@mac.com> From: Chris Sewell To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) X-Priority: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:17:13 -0500 References: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Sooperlooper via Live 7. Love it. I wish using more then one loop was more accessible and intuintive , but that is a minor thing. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 23:03:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 055393BEF5; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ae201c84a6f$0f2d6e40$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:03:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:03:48 +0000 (UTC) All in time, all in time...I have three CDs coming out in the next 2 months (two live and one virtual/studio collaboration), and a few more project in the pipeline (guitar/drums, guitar/sax, insects, etc). ...just need to find a piano player. Any free jazz piano players out there that might be interested in a virtual collaboration? Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Kris Hartung wrote about loopers in general: > "They keep repeating!!! Damn, that is annoying. :)" > > > Apparently, Kris, it's time for you to make that loop-less Jazz guitar > record > that Rainer envisions you recording in 2008, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 23:27:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2608B3BECD; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: rUqvLbQVM1knQuNyNW15nrMaLqcbMn6s54uUkomEW8dO5lw2xWqhP0tqPAd_ljGFNO2WpvwPJQ-- Message-ID: <002b01c84a72$592b8290$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <003e01c8491e$5c8fe5c0$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <000b01c84a1f$49661e90$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:27:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:27:21 +0000 (UTC) I'm using an EDP and a Boomerang. I thought the Boomerang was cool until I bought an EDP. Other than the times the EDP was in the shop (not due to any fault of its own actually) I ahve no real gripes with the EDP. If there are any it is that it has too much stuff I don't use. But I'm growing with it and I like the possibilities. It would be cool if it had a volume roller like the boomerang (hmm, thought for a cold winter's night) The Boomerang? First and foremost, the noise. I like to record stuff in the studio as well and I have to play with the Rang far too much to get a clean quiet signal. Also the lack of feedback bugs the daylights out of me-expecially now that I've been spoiled by the EDP. ~peace~ Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 23:33:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81F233BEF1; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: P0fbKzoVM1kyvt0xw1IGBIk8nLr8ZViPAJbVY9XwB4RQLuKZGchA6WC8Ku.sCcx.RwCwbKSqfYKoa1MsqsWYgvn6nwbMchtV9v08etp17ei4AMprE1pkTCyHqvHjC_V2Q2J5a0TcHZJMO8g- Message-ID: <003d01c84a73$2d1ed930$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <0ae201c84a6f$0f2d6e40$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Backhanded slap at a looper Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:33:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:33:16 +0000 (UTC) I was asked to play at a songwriter in the round- A Nashville, Bluebird Cafe type gig up here in Chicago. I agreed and the instructions for setup came in today and the following was included: "We will have four stools on the stage plus the piano bench (and yes, the piano is tuned). In order to facilitate everyone getting to play as many songs as possible and ensure a smooth transition between songs, please keep your setup simple and bring your own working cable if you plug in. (Please try to forego stuff like separate amps, complex loopers and effects pedalboards). " What about simple loopers?? ;-) I was going to forego it anyway and do some acoustic stuff but I'm tickled I was singled out. :) ~peace~ Plish www.michaelplishka.com www.myspace.com/bohdanovich www.myspace.com/michaelplishka From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Dec 29 23:51:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E97F03BEF6; Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:51:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <0ae201c84a6f$0f2d6e40$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <0ae201c84a6f$0f2d6e40$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chris Sewell Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:51:00 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 23:51:05 +0000 (UTC) What do the insects play? Are they union? I hear THAT can be a nightmare. :) On Dec 29, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > All in time, all in time...I have three CDs coming out in the next > 2 months (two live and one virtual/studio collaboration), and a few > more project in the pipeline (guitar/drums, guitar/sax, insects, etc). > > ...just need to find a piano player. Any free jazz piano players > out there that might be interested in a virtual collaboration? > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Kris Hartung wrote about loopers in general: >> "They keep repeating!!! Damn, that is annoying. :)" >> >> >> Apparently, Kris, it's time for you to make that loop-less Jazz >> guitar record >> that Rainer envisions you recording in 2008, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 00:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 03EF93BF00; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:09:49 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb3.257bf7f6.34a83bcd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:09:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cb3.257bf7f6.34a83bcd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/07 6:27:35 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: > Also the lack of feedback bugs the daylights out of > me-expecially now that I've been spoiled by the EDP. > > i thought the rang had feedback.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --part1_cb3.257bf7f6.34a83bcd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/29/07 6:27:35 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


Also the lack of feed= back bugs the daylights out of
me-expecially now that I've been spoiled by the EDP.



i thought the rang had feedback.....michael



"If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************************************
See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_cb3.257bf7f6.34a83bcd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 00:14:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAFCA3BEF9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:14:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e2ad3728-e5b4-4d20-b25c-efc1b080cff1_" X-Originating-IP: [4.246.42.50] From: samba - To: Subject: DL4 Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:14:33 -0800 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071229233316.12A0C3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20071229233316.12A0C3BEFA@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Dec 2007 00:14:33.0778 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4733120:01C84A78] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:14:36 +0000 (UTC) --_e2ad3728-e5b4-4d20-b25c-efc1b080cff1_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I definately use the DL4 for delay ,alot,and not just to do convention= al stuff. I like to set up selfoscillating textures and/or glitches to furt= her process . I do use 2 in conjunction ,sometimes with 2 or more tremelos= I can get really nice oscillations that can be tweaked expressively. Dave ,I don't know what's wrong with your's of course,but the switches ar= e optical ,and they can de-align themselves.when I realized this was why on= e of mine wasn't working I loosened and retightened switches till it worked= again. =20 _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007= --_e2ad3728-e5b4-4d20-b25c-efc1b080cff1_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     I definately use the DL4  for delay ,alot,and not j= ust to do conventional stuff. I like to set up selfoscillating textures and= /or glitches to further process . I do use 2 in conjunction ,sometimes with= 2  or more tremelos  I can get really nice oscillations that can= be  tweaked expressively.
  Dave ,I don't know what's wrong w= ith your's of course,but the switches are optical ,and they can de-align th= emselves.when I realized this was why one of mine wasn't working I loosened= and retightened switches till it worked again.

 

Get the power of Windows + Web with the new W= indows Live. Get it now! = --_e2ad3728-e5b4-4d20-b25c-efc1b080cff1_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 00:15:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B26863BF07; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: SxgWGPoVM1lWWSvlwXzmJ8qP1dl8Mph8xkGBwSqCFUXfz4GOYFXfp5TtmH8ugQ9sbX34C3Mhemzpk5C.TpWdocI52WDOGH7GMk5WQSeRVQcn1wFHXQ-- Message-ID: <005501c84a79$23a91180$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:15:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01C84A46.D8739A00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:15:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C84A46.D8739A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nope. It gives you a preset choice of fade out patterns to pick from. = It also has a foot roller volume pedal that can be used to fade loops = out, but no true feedback. It also attenuates each incoming signal a = little more than I would like when layering on a loop. ~peace~ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR = LOOPER(S) In a message dated 12/29/07 6:27:35 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com = writes: Also the lack of feedback bugs the daylights out of me-expecially now that I've been spoiled by the EDP. i thought the rang had feedback.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes = (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C84A46.D8739A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nope.  It gives you a preset = choice of fade=20 out patterns to pick from.  It also has a foot roller volume pedal = that can=20 be used to fade loops out, but no true feedback. It also attenuates each = incoming signal a little more than I would like when layering on a=20 loop.
 
 
~peace~
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 29, = 2007 6:09=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: = WHAT DON'T=20 YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S)


In a message dated 12/29/07 6:27:35 = PM, mike@michaelplishka.com=20 writes:


Also the lack of feedback bugs the daylights = out=20 of
me-expecially now that I've been spoiled by the=20 EDP.



i thought the rang had=20 feedback.....michael



"If this is "reality" I vote = against=20 it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har10
www.ct-collective.com





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See=20 AOL's top rated recipes=20 (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C84A46.D8739A00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 01:17:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC4563BEB8; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:17:30 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cbc.23b41ffe.34a84baa_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 01:17:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cbc.23b41ffe.34a84baa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/07 7:16:11 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: > but no true feedback > sorry to be so dense, but what is "true feedback"?......i had thought it was the length of time before a loop fades.....what lies i have been spreading.....:).....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --part1_cbc.23b41ffe.34a84baa_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/29/07 7:16:11 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


but no true feedback<= BR>


sorry to be so dense, but what is "true feedback"?......i had thought it=20= was the length of time before a loop fades.....what lies i have been spreadi= ng.....:).....michael



"If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_cbc.23b41ffe.34a84baa_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 02:10:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D6103BEAF; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: KfPy5oEVM1ke9dHHHieaD4YVpM8KMtdmOL9GDnud6Squz5qYZ7OU8rOfTcFV0omOc65zoiBfNVg0RAg693Y6qAnUK0.N_3NPQ0F8KIxGqhikmYd7hANuPz1IXgNdNyF6OJovuERX5_LP8Ak- Message-ID: <002401c84a89$26fd0430$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:10:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C84A56.DBEDD960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:10:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C84A56.DBEDD960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You are correct-I should've been more precise-no variable feedback - = it's either infinite, one, five or twenty, (don't hold me to those) and = you need to go one layer deep to change it so it's a little bit of a = pain. so for my stuff I leave infinite repeat on and fade volume = instead. 20 repeats isn't always enough-no multiply on the Rang is a = drag as well... ~peace~ Plish ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR = LOOPER(S) In a message dated 12/29/07 7:16:11 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com = writes: but no true feedback sorry to be so dense, but what is "true feedback"?......i had thought = it was the length of time before a loop fades.....what lies i have been = spreading.....:).....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes = (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C84A56.DBEDD960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are correct-I should've been more = precise-no=20 variable feedback - it's either infinite, one, five or twenty, = (don't hold=20 me to those) and you need to go one layer deep to change it so it's a = little bit=20 of a pain.  so for my stuff I leave infinite repeat on and fade = volume=20 instead.  20 repeats isn't always enough-no multiply on the Rang is = a drag=20 as well...
 
~peace~
 
Plish
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 29, = 2007 7:17=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: = WHAT DON'T=20 YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S)


In a message dated 12/29/07 7:16:11 = PM, mike@michaelplishka.com=20 writes:


but no true = feedback


sorry to = be so dense, but=20 what is "true feedback"?......i had thought it was the length of time = before a=20 loop fades.....what lies i have been=20 spreading.....:).....michael



"If this is "reality" I = vote=20 against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes=20 = at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com




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See=20 AOL's top rated recipes=20 (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C84A56.DBEDD960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 02:44:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 417753BEB9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 5086 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:44:04 UTC In-Reply-To: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:20:20 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:44:05 +0000 (UTC) I have both a DL-4 and a Delay Pro and I essentially don't use them. I got the DL-4 to go with my little Tech21 Trademark 10, but I'm not doing that much playing with it. That said, I got them mostly for the delay models. The Delay Pro would probably be in my main rack taking the place of my DL8000R if it had a reasonable hold function or even a bypass option that kept the echos going until they faded out (a feature I believe the DL-4 has). So, I'm using multiple EDPs... The biggest problem with the EDP is that it is not only not stereo, it's mildly stereo hostile. The Jamman at least supports a stereo through even if the loop itself is mono. The EDP essentially forces one to use a mixer in a stereo rig. Okay. So, you can take a pair of EDPs and use them in stereo, but then features like threshold recording don't work. I also find getting the levels right for the EDP to be a bit touchy. I also discovered at Y2K7 that the EDP footswitch doesn't really like to be on a soft surface like carpet. I had repeated trouble with button taps not taking. Historically, I've been frustrated that the EDP does not make it easy to copy into a loop if the loop isn't empty. Or at least it isn't as easy. But at this point, the EDP is the only choice that's made me really happy. Maybe I would like the Looperlative, but I haven't played one. The features I wish for... * I want a way when using feedback with a loop to select between mixing in new material (overdub), mixing in silence (fade), and mixing in a base loop (defined somehow). On the EDP, I'll use Next Loop to go evolve a loop and then I'll use Next Loop to go back to my original. I'd like to be able to do the return gradually. Of course, unless I eventually put the feedback all the way down to 0%, I'll never quite make it back to the original. * I wish that feedback on the EDP could degrade the sound rather than just fading it -- i.e., it needs to steal some filtering notions from the boxes modeling tape and analog delays. Mark P.S. Y2K7 rig... Taylor T5 --> Line6 Distortion Modeler --> Ibanez Weeping Demon Wah --> Morley Volume Pedal --> Tech21 SansAmp PSA 1.0 --> Lexicon Vortex --> Korg DL8000R --> Mackie 1202 mixer Mixer feeds to two EDPs. One used for the base loop and sending clock to everything else. The other mostly set to 0% feedback and used to get one repeat of the material. The EDPs, particularly the base loop, are then run through a Korg AM8000R to get some stereo imaging happening and to get weird stepped phaser stuff going. The final mix then went through a TC M300 reverb unit (with a digital feed to the DAT deck that conked out on me after 5 seconds). Changes I'm looking to make: * Replace the Distortion Modeler with analog effects. I'm leaning toward some of the Skreddy pedals right now, but I haven't figured out what to get to replace the Rocktave Divider model or the Jet Phaser model. * The Morley volume pedal needs to be replaced with something smaller like an appropriate impedance Ernie Ball volume pedal. (I'm pretty sure that not coming straight out of the guitar I should be getting the low impedance pedal, but the high impedance pedal is the one that's easy to find.) * I keep looking for a replacement for the Vortex that's MIDI friendly. Ideally, I'd do something that would replace both the Vortex and the DL8000R. I'm not using either of them for really weird purposes, but programs like Shimmer on the Vortex have an attractive warmth and complexity that a simple tremolo doesn't deliver. I also think about shifting to a computer, but it's nice to have an excuse to get up away from the computer. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 03:10:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 701F23BEB9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lKNUhdcUzQi3XFHuTYF5RKUk9v+cUiyAT9Vv+UVJ0qI=; b=kbtP6QOiJSq/iieTAXU6gdXiPIsYBnoggSXq6T9SZgsG5w+kes/qq61rX+hhT1ewOFIyp0ToF7WIe+SYfG4PFVDjtSiT4UOXuVuICvCUsYbpBc+4oR7+xU2WIxsy887u7TM1MZm0mCEjbl6j5ZGugxU68XREdfoSt5JasZ3Urmg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=P2rc0Ew7w00Ojxozd8fuSDkEqdQpO48imlLINQlUKzzwEz6jgSm0U6RknlicAcH1/Al//gYZPyeYD3MHkfBsSHuhrX3TFYbXrAfi/buZ4ePY1PjjTlhQI9+r/k3fUah9cvaKRiWVawTVNiF+Y0nNSQQ+Rcx9Mxkzv7LAarEY/OM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:03:11 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <015901c84a61$ac063430$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: <8mCzy.A.bmB.owwdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:10:32 +0000 (UTC) I was very pleasantly surprised to discover that if you use a MIDI controller instead of the EFC, you can both copy into a non-empty loop easily and also copy into a loop even if you don't have the loop copy parameter set to yes (so your loops can be completely descrete or variations on a loop made via loop copy). TH On Dec 29, 2007 5:20 PM, Mark Hamburg wrote: > > > I also discovered at Y2K7 that the EDP footswitch doesn't really like > to be on a soft surface like carpet. I had repeated trouble with > button taps not taking. > > Historically, I've been frustrated that the EDP does not make it easy > to copy into a loop if the loop isn't empty. Or at least it isn't as > easy. > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 03:16:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA853BEB8; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cfzzXPhEhp0XjV6B9exKzlKqo+WzOaTe9nePw6pngfs=; b=fKXx6nLpBYoMJ7EvLGHqV5liMeHwAlrD3sRio4cd3KJSg+8MWH1B1JzdbJz/H0ME0YUYqrCGN09C8Kjvj15dDw8iNKUSoSPOVtMNMGhFH9tg6RNyECkP+6Hs3WjhwhQ9N4MnCBhelhDHC6EK8Bi4b0OlefaApcHJfWqlL8kVyBA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=EtRTZxrEFH3sIpdAPREp6fmsYty7AyKG1zQXj/yhnC4DNM71Hh9rA22YXo9g45r1zdpb2JkS3vgJMdey03/Y/1c1kL/jQkdWhG92Y7d4D5ioqiiIvd3bVp/tZgwqrWMnnoqnCdoNJQmU/E+3+idIXoyIQ3sxpAdp2BInp7GYOP8= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 04:16:36 +0100 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 In-Reply-To: <5B739E11-3D5E-4B16-BC25-896FC172CEA9@logellou.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27538_1923648.1198984596198" References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <7df96fc0da697b2f26083c62bc070899@charter.net> <5B739E11-3D5E-4B16-BC25-896FC172CEA9@logellou.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_zR-p.A.pBC.V2wdHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:16:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27538_1923648.1198984596198 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline great news for mac users abroad! .... 2007/12/29, Philippe ollivier : > > Hi Ted, > > Mi girlfriend just bought a powerbook 1.67 ghz with 1.5 Go of RAm for > only 600 Euros. > It is more than needed to run Logelloop and I think you can find a > powerbook for less than that... > ok an intel-based laptop is better though -) > Thanks, > Philippe OLLIVIER. > > > > Le 29 d=E9c. 07 =E0 22:14, tEd (R) KiLLiAn a =E9crit : > > > Philippe, > > > > This sounds just great! > > > > I just need to get an Intel-based Mac laptop now. > > > > That's sort of been the budgetary problem all along though. > > > > I'm still stuck with an older 500 MHz PowerPC G3 iBook from 2001. > > > > Gotta keep shoes on da kids feet ya know. > > > > Choices, choices. > > > > Ah, that's life. > > > > Well, At least I know it's out there. > > > > I'll save your message for when the time comes. > > > > Cheers, > > > > tEd (R) KiLLiAn > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Philippe ollivier wrote: > > > >> Hi loopers, > >> > >> We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. > >> Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every > >> Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) > >> Logelloop can be controlled with any MIDI footboard or controller, > >> a Wiimote, a standard USB keyboard or even a labjack U12 ( > http://www.labjack.com > >> ). > >> > >> With Logelloop you can : > >> > >> - Make multitrack mono or stereo audio loops (up to 10 tracks in 3 > >> banks). > >> - Change the speed of each track separately. > >> - Use time stretch or realtime pitch shift. > >> - Spatialize directly to up to 9 speakers (including LFE), mix in > >> stereo or output each track separately to another software or > >> hardware. > >> - Make your own Macros or use those installed with Logelloop. > >> - Mix directly inside Logelloop and use your VST plug-ins and > >> memorize every state in presets. > >> - Use a Granular synthesis arpeggiator. > >> - Use Delays synced to your audio loops > >> - Use Convolution between loops > >> - Use Ring modulation between loops > >> - Save your loops on your HD and reload them in Logelloop or your > >> favorite audio software > >> - Insert your own patches made with Max/MSP as external FXs > >> - Play Aiff or Wav audio files > >> - Import audio stuff from another audio soft as loops > >> - Etc. > >> > >> Basic looping functions of Logelloop : > >> > >> - Record > >> - Play > >> - Overdub in another track or in mixed mode in the same track > >> - Multiply > >> - Copy from one loop to another. > >> - CopyAfter : Copy the content of one loop after the content of > >> another loop. > >> - CopyToFile : Copy the content of the loop on the hard drive (this > >> function will permit to load each track separatly in another music > >> software). > >> - Nextloop : To go from one loop to another one. > >> - Direct call of each loop (A, B, C). > >> - Mute > >> - Autofade : Auto fade-in or Auto fade-out. > >> - Restart : Restart the current loop immediatly. > >> - Emergency : To undo the last command. > >> - Erase each track one by one, all overdubs but the first track, > >> all tracks, all loops in one shot. > >> - Etc. > >> > >> To know more, please go to our site or contact us directly. > >> http://logelloop.logellou.com/ > >> > >> Logelloop cost only 199 euros and one license permit to use it on > >> two computers. > >> > >> Regards and happy new year. > >> Philippe OLLIVIER. > >> > >> ------------------------------------- > >> http://logelloop.logellou.com/ > >> www.philippeollivier.com > >> www.logellou.com > >> > >> > > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_27538_1923648.1198984596198 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline great news for mac users abroad!
....

2007/12/29, Philippe ollivier <Philippe.ollivier@logellou.com>:
Hi Ted,

Mi girlfriend just bought a powerbook 1.67 ghz with 1.5 Go o= f RAm for
only 600 Euros.
It is more than needed to run Logelloop and= I think you can find a
powerbook for less than that...
ok an intel-b= ased laptop is better though     -)
Thanks,
Philippe OLLIVIER.



Le 29 d=E9c. 07 =E0 22:14,= tEd ® KiLLiAn a =E9crit :

> Philippe,
>
> This s= ounds just great!
>
> I just need to get an Intel-based Mac lap= top now.
>
> That's sort of been the budgetary problem all along th= ough.
>
> I'm still stuck with an older 500 MHz PowerPC G3 = iBook from 2001.
>
> Gotta keep shoes on da kids feet ya know.
>
> Choices, choices.
>
> Ah, that's life.
= >
> Well, At least I know it's out there.
>
> I= 9;ll save your message for when the time comes.
>
> Cheers,
>
> tEd ® KiLLiAn
>
> On Dec 29, 2007, at 12:2= 2 PM, Philippe ollivier wrote:
>
>> Hi loopers,
>><= br>>> We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released.
>> Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on e= very
>> Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5)
>> Lo= gelloop can be controlled with any MIDI footboard or controller,
>>= ; a Wiimote, a standard USB keyboard or even a labjack U12 ( http://www.labjack.com
>> )= .
>>
>> With Logelloop you can :
>>
>> = - Make multitrack mono or stereo audio loops (up to 10 tracks in 3
>&= gt; banks).
>> - Change the speed of each track separately.
>> - Use= time stretch or realtime pitch shift.
>> - Spatialize directly to= up to 9 speakers (including LFE), mix in
>> stereo or output each= track separately to another software or
>> hardware.
>> - Make your own Macros or use those inst= alled with Logelloop.
>> - Mix directly inside Logelloop and use y= our VST plug-ins and
>> memorize every state in presets.
>&g= t; - Use a Granular synthesis arpeggiator.
>> - Use Delays synced to your audio loops
>> - Use Conv= olution between loops
>> - Use Ring modulation between loops
&g= t;> - Save your loops on your HD and reload them in Logelloop or your
>> favorite audio software
>> - Insert your own patches = made with Max/MSP as external FXs
>> - Play Aiff or Wav audio file= s
>> - Import audio stuff from another audio soft as loops
>> - Etc.
>>
>> Basic looping functions of Logelloo= p :
>>
>> - Record
>> - Play
>> - Overd= ub in another track or in mixed mode in the same track
>> - Multip= ly
>> - Copy from one loop to another.
>> - CopyAfter : Cop= y the content of one loop after the content of
>> another loop.>> - CopyToFile : Copy the content of the loop on the hard drive (th= is
>> function will permit to load each track separatly in another m= usic
>> software).
>> - Nextloop : To go from one loop to= another one.
>> - Direct call of each loop (A, B, C).
>>= - Mute
>> - Autofade : Auto fade-in or Auto fade-out.
>> - Rest= art : Restart the current loop immediatly.
>> - Emergency : To und= o the last command.
>> - Erase each track one by one, all overdubs= but the first track,
>> all tracks, all loops in one shot.
>> - Etc.
>&= gt;
>> To know more, please go to our site or contact us directly.=
>> http://logelloop.lo= gellou.com/
>>
>> Logelloop cost only 199 euros and one license = permit to use it on
>> two computers.
>>
>> Rega= rds and happy new year.
>> Philippe OLLIVIER.
>>
>&= gt; -------------------------------------
>> http://logelloop.lo= gellou.com/
>> www= .philippeollivier.com
>> w= ww.logellou.com
>>
>>
>
>


=

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tap= e Collective:=20 http://www.ct-collective.comTPO at myspace: ht= tp://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_27538_1923648.1198984596198-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 03:29:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C57F3BED0; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:29:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 22:29:37 EST Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d44.1ba414c7.34a86aa1_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:29:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d44.1ba414c7.34a86aa1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/29/07 9:10:54 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes: > no multiply on the Rang is a drag as well... > multiply is for sissies.....:).....just kiddin'.....i would love multiply!.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --part1_d44.1ba414c7.34a86aa1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 12/29/07 9:10:54 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com writes:


no multiply on the Ra= ng is a drag as well...


multiply is for sissies.....:).....just kiddin'.....i would love multiply= !.....michael



"If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





**************************************
See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_d44.1ba414c7.34a86aa1_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 03:49:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C1853BEC1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:49:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:49:18 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:49:25 +0000 (UTC) At 9:22 PM +0100 12/29/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: > >We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. >Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every >Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) Philippe, I downloaded the software to try it out, and I'm currently going through the documentation. Everything looks very interesting, but one quick question: the docs mention the 2048 sample lag whenever one is using the pitch-shift and/or time-stretch functions. Are you guys actively working on a solution to reduce or eliminate that lag, or is this something we'd just have to learn to live with? Otherwise, I like a lot of the functions you've gone to great lengths to incorporate. Thanks!!! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 03:50:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 077233BEB2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: y46ge7UVM1n.Xwg1bLzPM_UUxmqtfMSv_hruXpwXbhUWcuB9SvtMn3otW8ZvmVn5aBYfIK0aCIrCpT0nZ5_4MctG3F.ovucuHRoBraK6ZCBGzn2Eu8Y- Message-ID: <000901c84a97$211090b0$4101a8c0@MICHAELPLISHKA> From: "Michael Plishka" To: References: Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:50:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C84A64.D6190C90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:50:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C84A64.D6190C90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought the exact same thing. :) When I found multiply though the = world opened up. When laying live tracks multiply is da bomb! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR = LOOPER(S) In a message dated 12/29/07 9:10:54 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com = writes: no multiply on the Rang is a drag as well... multiply is for sissies.....:).....just kiddin'.....i would love = multiply!.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes = (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004) ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C84A64.D6190C90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought the exact same thing. :) = When I=20 found multiply though the world opened up. When laying live tracks = multiply is=20 da bomb!
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 29, = 2007 9:29=20 PM
Subject: Re: Boomerang+EDP Re: = WHAT DON'T=20 YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S)


In a message dated 12/29/07 9:10:54 = PM, mike@michaelplishka.com=20 writes:


no multiply on the Rang is a drag as=20 well...


multiply is for sissies.....:).....just = kiddin'.....i would=20 love multiply!.....michael



"If this is "reality" I vote = against=20 it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har10
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See=20 AOL's top rated recipes=20 (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000000004)=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C84A64.D6190C90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 05:45:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 260DB3BEAF; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=A7pnbJv4TSxxVdLlskTCuW7BcpaeY5fnTXFM4tKd4Fo=; b=a2QCEYNItxn3DFHkHTNpx54NY55JN/FRyy8piYirgx2B6B7nhk3g24y866OVLCCpIP8ag7dMuHwk6LzdujI8hh2iKpK9pfEY6qStAlZJ86SFV1n9cx5bIl4FW85PsM33iuvUSAKYwEAwri/+vbJJAxi874TlRY2ixqPLUvM97+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; b=i7pFd7eA6EzMT4Oh2BPfj+aVnVF+Mk6d69FuzZWX+z/1znA9QneSf+yZk64fVwMTSxdAUL7QRjIGIXMzeW/aNLJVolkkUhMxVKmetudilVTxgQzm4/ABHH0Bot5/0RZm4QH5o0tMlxfFUHI4TN+/9hoID+jLSTiZW4DXH/lV5ps= From: "Tony K" To: References: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: RE: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 00:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <00d401c84aa7$35cc8990$a1659cb0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: AchKXJP3Onqi/GfsR0iW8lRMydTUvQASVcTA Content-Language: en-us Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 05:45:41 +0000 (UTC) >Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who uses the DL-4 as a delay modeler I do. Not always, but I do like the delays. I do use the delays in conjunction with the DD20 and the RC20 I'm not sure I'm a traditional looper (if there is such a thing) since I hook everything up and start twiddling knobs til something cool comes out. :) Mom got me a 24 channel mixer for Christmas, so I spent a few days rerouting everything. It worked out pretty well. I just have to figure out where to put the ModFX boxes... I'm a lazy butt when it comes to redoing things. I like to turn it on and go, so I like to have everything setup for ease of switching. My only real issue with the loopers I use is that I wish the foot switches were separate from the controls. I like having the knobs on the desk but I wish I could use the footswitches with my feet. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Rick Walker [mailto:looppool@cruzio.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:51 PM To: LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Matt Davignon wrote, about the Line 6 DL-4: "Of all the people I know who use this unit, only 2 use the delay modelers more than the looper." Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who uses the DL-4 as a delay modeller unless it's in conjunction with another DL:-4 as a looper, but then again, we both tend to hang out with musicians who are really 'out of the box' and who are very, very creative. The guy at Line 6 practically laughed at me when I started talking to him about adding features at NAMM several years ago. He said the looping function was just thrown in as an afterthought and that it was guitar players who bought the pedal for delays who made up 95% of their clientelle. Now, it suddenly occurs to me, years later, that he was just sick and tired of people with suggestions for improvements that one gets at NAMM and he was just brushing me off, but who knows. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11 - Release Date: 12/27/2007 12:00 AM From coter_war01@latinmail.com Sun Dec 30 07:23:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 4750 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:23:56 UTC Received: from smtp.latinmail.com (smtp.latinmail.com [62.37.236.187]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ECAB3BEA6 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.latinmail.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id B2704EA0F6F; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:04:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [172.17.224.54]) by smtp.latinmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F03FEA0CA7; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:04:45 +0100 (CET) From: "COTER WARDRAGO" To: coter_war01@latinmail.com Subject: TREAT VERY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT RESPONSE.. 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TRUSTING TO HEAR FROM YOU IMMEDIATELY=20= YOUR=92S FAITHFULLY,=20 COTER WARDRAGO ESQ.=20 POST SCRITUM:YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYTHING SECRET AS TO ENABLE THE TRANSF= ER TO MOVE VERY SMOOTHLY IN TO THE ACCOUNT YOU WILL PROVE TO THE BANK.A= S YOU FINISHED READING THIS LETTER CALL ME IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE DISCU= SS VERY WELL OVER THIS BUSINESS.PLEASE CALL ME AND INFORM ME THAT YOU R= ECEIVED MY MAIL, BECAUSE I DON'T GO TO NET ALWAYS.=20 Un 2007 de Ins=F3lito, Deporte, Cine o Belleza... =A1Feliz Navidad! htt= p://pan.starmedia.com/especiales/navidad07/portada/index.html --latinmail.com_ltwebml03.localdomain_3612b373265f9df6bb315edff48bff1b-- From coter_war02@latinmail.com Sun Dec 30 08:08:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3654 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:59 UTC Received: from smtp.latinmail.com (smtp.latinmail.com [62.37.236.187]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9AAF3BEA6 for ; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.latinmail.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0C19EEA3053; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from unknown (unknown [172.17.224.54]) by smtp.latinmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ED14AEA2EB6; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:01 +0100 (CET) From: "COTER WARDRAGO" To: coter_war02@latinmail.com Subject: TREAT VERY CONFIDENTIAL & URGENT RESPONSE.. Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="latinmail.com_ltwebml03.localdomain_2663e962cade5e74cd6f0a4cb14f4a25" Importance: normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20071230070701.ED14AEA2EB6@smtp.latinmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:07:01 +0100 (CET) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.674212, version=0.15.13 --latinmail.com_ltwebml03.localdomain_2663e962cade5e74cd6f0a4cb14f4a25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FROM THE DESK OF MR COTER WARDRAGO SQ.=20 THE MANAGER OF FILE / DEBT RECOVERY DEPARTMENT,=20 AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK A.D.B=20 OUAGADOUGOU BURKINA-FASO=20 WEST AFRICA.=20 PRIVAVE PHONE: (00226-78005767).=20 PLANE CRASH WEB SITE...HTTP://NEWS.BBC.CO.UK/1/HI/WORLD/EUROPE/859479.S= TM=20 =20 ( "REMITTANCE OF $15 MILLION U.S.A= DOLLARS=20 CONFIDENTIAL IS TH= E CASE")=20 COMPLIMENT OF THE SEASON,=20 =20 ON A VERY GOOD DAY. I AM ( COTER WARDRAGO ESQ),THE MANAGER OF FILE= / DEBT RECOVERY DEPARTMENT IN AFRICAN DEVELOPENT BANK (ADB).I GOT YOUR= CONTACT FROM YAHOO TOURIST PEOPLE SEARCH.=20 =20 WHEN I WAS SEARCHING FOR A FOREIGN PARTNER I ASSURED OF YOUR CAPAB= ILITY AND RELIABILITY TO CHAMPION THIS BUSINEES OPPORTUNITY WHEN I PRAY= ED TO GOD OR ALLAH ABOUT YOU.IN MY DEPARTMENT WE DISCOVERED AN ABANDONE= D SUM OF $ 15 MILLION U.S.A DOLLARS ( FIFTEEN MILLION U.S.A DOLLARS) .= =20 IN AN ACCOUNT THAT BELONGS TO ONE OF OUR FOREIGN CUSTOMER WHO DIED ALON= G WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY IN (MONDAY 31TH JULY 2000) IN A PLANE CRASH. S= INCE WE GOT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS DEATH, WE HAVE BEEN EXPECTING HIS NEX= T OF KIN TO COME OVER AND CLAIM HIS MONEY BECAUSE WE CANNOT RELEASE IT = UNLESS SOMEBODY APPLIES FOR IT AS NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION TO THE DECEAS= ED AS INDICATED IN OUR BANKING GUIDELINES, BUT UNFORTUNATELY WE LEARNT = THAT ALL HIS SUPPOSED NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION DIED ALONGSIDE WITH HIM = AT THE PLANE CRASH LEAVING NOBODY BEHIND FOR THE CLAIM.=20 IT IS THEREFORE UPON THIS DISCOVERY THAT I AND ONE OFFICIAL IN MY DEPAR= TMENT NOW DECIDED TO MAKE THIS BUSINNESS PROPOSAL TO YOU AND RELEASE TH= E MONEY TO YOU AS THE NEXT OF KIN OR RELATION TO THE DECEASED FOR SAFET= Y AND SUBSEQUENT DISBURSEMENT SINCE NOBODY IS COMING FOR IT AND WE DON=92= T WANT THIS MONEY TO GO INTO THE BANK TREASURY AS UNCLAIMED BILL.=20 =20 THE BANKING LAW AND GUIDELINE HERE STIPULATES THAT IF SUCH MONEY RE= MAINED UNCLAMED AFTER FIVE YEARS, THE MONEY WILL BE TRANSFERED INTO THE= BANK TREASURY AS UNCLAIMED FUND. THE REQUEST OF FOREIGNER AS NEXT OF KIN IN THIS BUSINESS IS OCCASIONE= D BY THE FACT THAT THE CUSTOMER WAS A FOREIGNER, AND A BURKINABE CANNO= T STAND AS NEXT OF KIN TO A FOREIGNER. WE AGREE THAT 30 % OF THIS MONEY= WILL BE FOR YOU AS FOREIGN PARTNER, IN RESPECT TO THE PROVISION OF A F= OREIGN ACCOUNT, 10 % WILL BE SET ASIDE FOR EXPENSES INCURED DURING THE= BUSINESS AND 60 % WOULD BE FOR ;ME AND MY WOMAN COLLEAGUE. THERE AFTER= I AND MY COLLEAGUE WILL VISIT YOUR COUNTRY FOR DISBURSEMENT ACCORDING = TO THE PERCENTAGES INDICATED.=20 =20 THEREFORE TO ENABLE THE IMMEDIATE TRNANSFER OF THIS FUND TO YOU AS= ARRANGED, YOU MUST APPLY FIRST TO THE BANK AS RELATIONS OR NEXT OF KIN= OF THE DECEASED INDICATING YOUR BANK NAME, YOUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER, Y= OUR PRIVATE TELEPHONE AND FAX NUMBER FOR EASY AND EFFECTIVE COMMUNICATI= ON AND LOCATION WHERE THE MONEY WILL BE REMITTED.UPON RECEIPT OF YOUR R= EPLY, I WILL SEND TO YOU BY FAX OR EMAIL THE TEXT OF THE APPLICATION. I= WILL NOT FAIL TO BRING TO YOUR NOTICE THAT THIS TRANSACTION IS HITCH = FREE AND THAT YOU SHOULD NOT ENTERTAIN ANY ATOM OF FEAR AS ALL REQUIRED= ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THETRANSFER.=20 =20 YOU SHOULD CONTACT ME ON MY NUMBER (00226-78005767) IMMEDIATELY AS S= OON AS YOU RECEIVE THIS LETTER. TRUSTING TO HEAR FROM YOU IMMEDIATELY=20= YOUR=92S FAITHFULLY,=20 COTER WARDRAGO ESQ.=20 POST SCRITUM:YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYTHING SECRET AS TO ENABLE THE TRANSF= ER TO MOVE VERY SMOOTHLY IN TO THE ACCOUNT YOU WILL PROVE TO THE BANK.A= S YOU FINISHED READING THIS LETTER CALL ME IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE DISCU= SS VERY WELL OVER THIS BUSINESS.PLEASE CALL ME AND INFORM ME THAT YOU R= ECEIVED MY MAIL, BECAUSE I DON'T GO TO NET ALWAYS.=20 Un 2007 de Ins=F3lito, Deporte, Cine o Belleza... =A1Feliz Navidad! htt= p://pan.starmedia.com/especiales/navidad07/portada/index.html --latinmail.com_ltwebml03.localdomain_2663e962cade5e74cd6f0a4cb14f4a25-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 08:10:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83D063BEC5; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 02:10:34 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: OT: Wii "Head Tracking" Hack... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 08:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Off topic, but I know this will probably be of interest to some of the Max-MSP hackers on the list, at least. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw In short, this researcher has found a way to do quick-and-cheap head tracking using inexpensive Wii hardware. This causes the objects on the screen to move their perspective in relation to the computer operator (errr, just watch the video; you'll see what I'm talking about). While this sort of thing has been available in university Virtual Reality labs for quite a while ("goggling in" to an environment using headgear), I don't think it's been readily available using cheap mass-produced components. I think you could pretty easily combine this hack with other "immersive" 3D controllers. Imagine combining it with something like a Powerglove, or some of the Eowave body interfaces. Not to mention that Darwin Grosse has already coded (and performed with) a bunch of Max-MSP routines that let you use Wii controllers to play music. It seems the next step would merely be to program the proper objects into the computer, and you could literally have a fully spacial interface to play/manipulate your compositions through in real time. Imagine combining an immersive interface with something like the old Sonasphere program, which allowed you to compose sound by moving balls in space relative to one another ( http://www.sonasphere.com/?page_id=2 ). A program in that vein might lend itself to a fully spatial interface very easily. Looks like it could be fun!!! :) --m. -- _____ "take one step outside yourself. the whole path lasts no longer than one step..." 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We choose the better sound quality everywhere in logelloop and in this =20= case good quality often says "non realtime". Yes we are working on eliminating this lag, but i can't promise a =20 release date. Regards, Philippe OLLIVIER ------------------------------------- www.philippeollivier.com http://logelloop.logellou.com/ Le 30 d=E9c. 07 =E0 04:49, Mech a =E9crit : > At 9:22 PM +0100 12/29/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: >> >> We are happy to inform you that Logelloop is recently released. >> Logelloop is a multitrack real time audio looper that run on every =20= >> Mac under Tiger (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5) > > Philippe, > > I downloaded the software to try it out, and I'm currently going =20 > through the documentation. Everything looks very interesting, but =20 > one quick question: the docs mention the 2048 sample lag whenever =20 > one is using the pitch-shift and/or time-stretch functions. Are you =20= > guys actively working on a solution to reduce or eliminate that lag, =20= > or is this something we'd just have to learn to live with? > > Otherwise, I like a lot of the functions you've gone to great =20 > lengths to incorporate. > > Thanks!!! > > --m. > --=20 > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > > --Apple-Mail-4--489509219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mech,

The 2048 sample lag is = necessary with the algorithm we use to pitch the = sound.
We choose the better sound quality everywhere in = logelloop and in this case good quality often says "non = realtime".

Yes= we are working on eliminating this lag, but i can't promise a release = date.
Regards,
Philippe = OLLIVIER

www.philippeollivier.com

http://logelloop.logellou.com/=

At 9:22 PM = +0100 12/29/07, Philippe ollivier wrote:

We are happy to = inform you that Logelloop is recently = released.
Logelloop is a = multitrack real time audio looper that run on every Mac under Tiger = (10.4.10) or Leopard (10.5)

Philippe,

I = downloaded the software to try it out, and I'm currently going through = the documentation.  Everything looks very interesting, but one = quick question: the docs mention the 2048 sample lag whenever one is = using the pitch-shift and/or time-stretch functions.  Are you guys = actively working on a solution to reduce or eliminate that lag, or is = this something we'd just have to learn to live with?

Otherwise, I = like a lot of the functions you've gone to great lengths to = incorporate.

Thanks!!!

--m.
--
_____
"the wind = in my heart; the dust in my = head...."



= --Apple-Mail-4--489509219-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 11:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9EEB3BEC1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <477785C0.30107@addcom.de> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:49:20 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles References: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> <588ce11d0712282200y6210239co52afb6c4fe0d6d68@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <588ce11d0712282200y6210239co52afb6c4fe0d6d68@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Art Simon schrieb: > reminds me of Pell Mell and 70s King Crimson at times. The category > on eMusic is "Math Rock!" Pell Mell? Are you from around Marburg? To compare them with King Crimson is way out, but when I was young I sort of liked anything which was way off the main stream, though Pell Mell wasn't, I thought they where hip because nobody knew them and they had been the local heros back then in Marburg County... ;-) No idea why this should be called Math Rock, can't see any conncetion... Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3197A3BEAF; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001b01c84ade$a8ac5300$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <00d401c84aa7$35cc8990$a1659cb0$@com> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:22:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:30:08 +0000 (UTC) >Frankly, I don't know ANYONE who uses the DL-4 as a delay modeler Whilst the DL4 got me into looping, it also got me into delays in ways that I'd never had available before. It's not my main delay any more (if it had a global tap tempo it might well be) but I know it so well and how to control it quickly and know what I'm going to get out of it. Over the years, I've used it much more for delays than for looping. Ian. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 12:48:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D1173BEC1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:48:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 06:48:05 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:48:11 +0000 (UTC) At 10:55 AM +0100 12/30/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: > >The 2048 sample lag is necessary with the algorithm we use to pitch the sound. >We choose the better sound quality everywhere in logelloop and in >this case good quality often says "non realtime". > >Yes we are working on eliminating this lag, but i can't promise a >release date. I understand. This is obviously still a very early stage in the product, and I certainly appreciate the emphasis on quality. I was merely a bit concerned that this latency might be a permanent thing. A couple of quick follow-ups: I noticed upon re-reading the description that the docs state that, "TIME and PITCH functions introduce a latency of 2048 samples...". But they don't mention that the SPEED parameter is subject to this. Does that mean that the lag only affects instances where you are manipulating time and pitch independently of each other? Many of us are used to "tape style" time/pitch-shift by now. While independent control of time and pitch (ala the Repeater) is certainly very(!) cool, I think that if the Speed function were latency free, it might be possible to get by until the Time and Pitch lag is resolved. I noticed there's not a real Feedback parameter, but I'm a little confused with Auto-Fade. Does Auto-Fade take effect on a per-track or per-loop basis? If on a per-track basis, might it be possible to use Auto-Fade as a Feedback function? Failing that, could you use the Delay effect to do true Feedback-enabled looping and still have first-loop capability? Alternately, could a Macro be used to gradually lower the volume of each individual track once they're closed, somewhat imitating Feedback functionality? Is there a way to use two of the "built in" effects simultaneously (for instance, Convo or Granulateurre feeding into Delay)? I'm not seeing an obvious way to do that, but I may be missing something. Any plans for AU compatibility? Also, has anybody yet tried loading in a Bidule Group or Reaktor Ensemble to get a larger, more complex effect chain (as opposed to only two auxes)? If so, what kind of latency have they experienced? Sorry to "grill" you like this, Philippe. I wouldn't be firing off so many questions if it didn't look like an interesting product, though. :) Thanks! --m. -- _____ "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." ( x ) <--- you are here. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 15:11:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1C2B3BEB6; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:11:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+5Y3l+cC7hn4AXdxoTpiN7wAr8iYHbNvoXd06iOfFlA=; b=uq6AqtkPbgZls44jPlS3ouHR4CQnsfYjm3ihlDxgIGl2B81vn0GdIdqiGCL0+sN0wY5BZEJcLhsMNEk9/PVdrnjpoIavB0Pr7YtX0U6BaBDBW7JorC1i4NSyYibqbtcjHAADerlG0423beih7wSGL5ixc2k7u7iREksSoq6yIbA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k7VyKEGySzs6cWrAe+KaPDoIz2BjVcVPVlQYn+m/4pUbaOj3owRfxZJciOduHZ3N2I9focfl69D2Ku0tQZbr/UMRVr7eAvVGV1RaFaZNLJzFZ4TQsAy4jgQYYIWtipgDz4GrT6sdinvt8YeIf3zBUwsfq7Imf2+CaZ63TJ9LGoA= Message-ID: <588ce11d0712300710i38e8b7dfs7ac958efc76c8468@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:10:59 -0800 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Battles In-Reply-To: <477785C0.30107@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <010c01c849dc$19f1aa00$4dd4fe00$@com> <588ce11d0712282200y6210239co52afb6c4fe0d6d68@mail.gmail.com> <477785C0.30107@addcom.de> Resent-Message-ID: <61O6_B.A._hF.HU7dHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:11:03 +0000 (UTC) I was thinking of the American band Pell Mell, which used lots of repetitive, jangly guitars. And that was after listening to just one song, SZ2, from 2004. After listening to 2007's mirrored, I have to say you're right, they are quite different from early seventies King Crimson and Pell Mell. On Dec 30, 2007 3:49 AM, Stefan Tiedje wrote: > Art Simon schrieb: > > reminds me of Pell Mell and 70s King Crimson at times. The category > > on eMusic is "Math Rock!" > > Pell Mell? Are you from around Marburg? To compare them with King > Crimson is way out, but when I was young I sort of liked anything which > was way off the main stream, though Pell Mell wasn't, I thought they > where hip because nobody knew them and they had been the local heros > back then in Marburg County... ;-) > > No idea why this should be called Math Rock, can't see any conncetion... > > Stefan > > -- > Stefan Tiedje------------x------- > --_____-----------|-------------- > --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- > -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- > ----------()--------www.ccmix.com > > -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 17:36:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3255F3BEAC; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=B9Ml4m9zsH4kKa/JtrA8SVlX02xaT0L56rOlQx+fKmI=; b=Y7wLJkVwfcEUP7GkU0XCV4QPaL5RP/oXBU775Rf8VZpQ0+yxoxd5n+uclWPJyoMHN2zocJAmJEl4XgFM0UWzl8CIFKP/73PAtsa5eSaVA8PZ+uott2JAeSmzi/XV/raJzpvPVmakVWSp7tsXHeYQ2NbeNle722ttqHb/iymZfec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lyD1f0U+98+fzGrtmHQRi11HUBM0abk0QoZM67d/AXhOGKmph8Drf8c1g8WF32TlG8ub24L8Pcs4iHAEycJs52jOZJpE5whvlcEfknHC9EGIrv1QdxgyzVBtLejniFdIw7BQEHQHrnDIeEYCAXeEcPSsW4KutefY0oxm2e/5Xjs= Message-ID: <3fa302e30712300936jd1c7fc7n57f27943b5d86f3c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:36:54 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) In-Reply-To: <001b01c84ade$a8ac5300$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17379_14891416.1199036214759" References: <008b01c84a5c$7e3b20b0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <00d401c84aa7$35cc8990$a1659cb0$@com> <001b01c84ade$a8ac5300$6c052052@customer3530f5> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:36:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17379_14891416.1199036214759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I was also a fan of the DL4 Delays . . . with an expression pedal attached, adding regen while shortening delay time, you could produce nicely glissing delays with foot control. I can still do that with my trusty Boss GT-5 but not many modern delays give you smooth glissing, so it was an important feature that was a staple for me. Of course I loved having it as an out-the-door looper as well. Very versatile. My main gripe was that ALL THREE of my DL4's had a channel go out, so only one output continued to work. Not even faux stereo. Line6 seemed to have horrible service as well so I waited forever for the first repair only to have it fail again. I never attempted to fix the other two. No more Line6 for me! ------=_Part_17379_14891416.1199036214759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I was also a fan of the DL4 Delays . . . with an expression pedal attached, adding regen while shortening delay time, you could produce nicely glissing delays with foot control. I can still do that with my trusty Boss GT-5 but not many modern delays give you smooth glissing, so it was an important feature that was a staple for me. Of course I loved having it as an out-the-door looper as well. Very versatile. My main gripe was that ALL THREE of my DL4's had a channel go out, so only one output continued to work. Not even faux stereo. Line6 seemed to have horrible service as well so I waited forever for the first repair only to have it fail again. I never attempted to fix the other two. No more Line6 for me!
------=_Part_17379_14891416.1199036214759-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 18:14:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25BE23BEC1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:14:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6F66glhwV2oA:10 a=TWaqTUDoSTQbn68MMKMA:9 a=i6XeSiazZcnl8jFmJpoA:7 a=LN0Romimb3Lmg7lK-NeLmO6eoXsA:4 a=ZWFHt83BPVYA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:14:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <8zZa5C.A.lDF.p_9dHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 18:14:02 +0000 (UTC) FYI, you can download it and try it out before buying. that might be a good way to answer your questions, just a suggestion. On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:48 AM, Mech wrote: > At 10:55 AM +0100 12/30/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: >> >> The 2048 sample lag is necessary with the algorithm we use to >> pitch the sound. >> We choose the better sound quality everywhere in logelloop and in >> this case good quality often says "non realtime". >> >> Yes we are working on eliminating this lag, but i can't promise a >> release date. > > I understand. This is obviously still a very early stage in the > product, and I certainly appreciate the emphasis on quality. I was > merely a bit concerned that this latency might be a permanent thing. > > A couple of quick follow-ups: I noticed upon re-reading the > description that the docs state that, "TIME and PITCH functions > introduce a latency of 2048 samples...". But they don't mention > that the SPEED parameter is subject to this. Does that mean that > the lag only affects instances where you are manipulating time and > pitch independently of each other? > > Many of us are used to "tape style" time/pitch-shift by now. While > independent control of time and pitch (ala the Repeater) is > certainly very(!) cool, I think that if the Speed function were > latency free, it might be possible to get by until the Time and > Pitch lag is resolved. > > I noticed there's not a real Feedback parameter, but I'm a little > confused with Auto-Fade. Does Auto-Fade take effect on a per-track > or per-loop basis? If on a per-track basis, might it be possible > to use Auto-Fade as a Feedback function? Failing that, could you > use the Delay effect to do true Feedback-enabled looping and still > have first-loop capability? Alternately, could a Macro be used to > gradually lower the volume of each individual track once they're > closed, somewhat imitating Feedback functionality? > > Is there a way to use two of the "built in" effects simultaneously > (for instance, Convo or Granulateurre feeding into Delay)? I'm not > seeing an obvious way to do that, but I may be missing something. > Any plans for AU compatibility? Also, has anybody yet tried > loading in a Bidule Group or Reaktor Ensemble to get a larger, more > complex effect chain (as opposed to only two auxes)? If so, what > kind of latency have they experienced? > > Sorry to "grill" you like this, Philippe. I wouldn't be firing off > so many questions if it didn't look like an interesting product, > though. :) > > Thanks! > > --m. > -- > _____ > "Image is blasphemy. Text is heresy. The spoken word is a lie." > ( x ) <--- you are here. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 19:06:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2FF3BEB0; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:06:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:06:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:06:29 +0000 (UTC) At 10:14 AM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >FYI, you can download it and try it out before buying. that might be >a good way to answer your questions, just a suggestion. Thanks Zoe, but I started actually playing with it yesterday and most of these are questions in addition to what I've found. I keep running up against that bloody 20-minute demo limit (I think there's also supposed to be another limit at the 10-minute mark -- dumps all your loop memory -- but that's either inconsistent or a bug). I get into something really convoluted, then it shuts down. :P It's actually a pretty deep little program, having learned a lot of lessons from the Repeater, EDP, and Mobius, amongst others. --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 20:08:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 629193BEB6; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:08:40 +0100 References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:08:44 +0000 (UTC) Hi Mech, Sorry, i was out today... Le 30 d=E9c. 07 =E0 13:48, Mech a =E9crit : > At 10:55 AM +0100 12/30/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: >> >> The 2048 sample lag is necessary with the algorithm we use to pitch =20= >> the sound. >> We choose the better sound quality everywhere in logelloop and in =20 >> this case good quality often says "non realtime". >> >> Yes we are working on eliminating this lag, but i can't promise a =20 >> release date. > > I understand. This is obviously still a very early stage in the =20 > product, and I certainly appreciate the emphasis on quality. I was =20= > merely a bit concerned that this latency might be a permanent thing. > > A couple of quick follow-ups: I noticed upon re-reading the =20 > description that the docs state that, "TIME and PITCH functions =20 > introduce a latency of 2048 samples...". But they don't mention =20 > that the SPEED parameter is subject to this. Does that mean that =20 > the lag only affects instances where you are manipulating time and =20 > pitch independently of each other? Yes, Pitch is a big calculation to obtain a good sound while speed =20 change is only related to the player. There is no calculation. So, no =20= latency needed. I just have to say that our speed change system is =20 made to obtain the better sound even t very low speed. When you use a pitch, you need time to calculate. So if only one track =20= is pitched, it is not synced to other tracks. So, I decided to insert =20= a delay in the other tracks to maintain the music synchronization. The =20= problem is when you need to make an overdub if (at least one track is =20= pitched or streched). It is the reason why i prefer to record my sound =20= before playing with pitch and strech... This will change, it is sure, but i don't know when. > > > Many of us are used to "tape style" time/pitch-shift by now. While =20= > independent control of time and pitch (ala the Repeater) is =20 > certainly very(!) cool, I think that if the Speed function were =20 > latency free, it might be possible to get by until the Time and =20 > Pitch lag is resolved. > > I noticed there's not a real Feedback parameter, but I'm a little =20 > confused with Auto-Fade. Does Auto-Fade take effect on a per-track =20= > or per-loop basis? If on a per-track basis, might it be possible to =20= > use Auto-Fade as a Feedback function? Failing that, could you use =20 > the Delay effect to do true Feedback-enabled looping and still have =20= > first-loop capability? Alternately, could a Macro be used to =20 > gradually lower the volume of each individual track once they're =20 > closed, somewhat imitating Feedback functionality? The feedback exist. It is what we call "mixed overdub" You can choose =20= it in the transport panel or with a macro. in transport, in the right hand, there is a word "NORMAL". If you =20 click it one time it turn to "MIXED". Then the overdub is mixed. Under this word, you can change the percentage of mix just with a =20 click/slide. If you click another time on the word "MIXED" it turn to "REPLACE" and =20= in this case an overdub will replace the sound like for a tape. Sorry i just understand that it is not explained in the documentation!!! The autofade affect all the tracks at the same time. Yes, with the macro you can fade in or out each track separately. > > > Is there a way to use two of the "built in" effects simultaneously =20 > (for instance, Convo or Granulateurre feeding into Delay)? I'm not =20= > seeing an obvious way to do that, but I may be missing something. No, it is not possible for now. I am also interested in it for my music. So you can be sure i will =20 implement it as soon as i have the time. As those FX, called external FX, works like inserted FX, I need to =20= find a good solution to make it without an important CPU consumption =20 and this has to be easy to configure by the user. > > Any plans for AU compatibility? Yes, it is planed, but no date for it. > Also, has anybody yet tried loading in a Bidule Group or Reaktor =20 > Ensemble to get a larger, more complex effect chain (as opposed to =20 > only two auxes)? If so, what kind of latency have they experienced? No, there is only a few user of Logelloop. I also plan to implement more than 2 auxes but i don't know when. > > > Sorry to "grill" you like this, Philippe. I wouldn't be firing off =20= > so many questions if it didn't look like an interesting product, =20 > though. :) > You are welcome! And thanks. Philippe OLLIVIER. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 20:15:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34DA23BEC5; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:14:57 +0100 References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Le 30 d=E9c. 07 =E0 20:06, Mech a =E9crit : > At 10:14 AM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >> FYI, you can download it and try it out before buying. that might =20 >> be a good way to answer your questions, just a suggestion. Yes but Logelloop is like a looping factory -) You need a lot of time to find everithing... and the documentation is =20= not finished. Sometimes some questions permit to save a lot of time!!!! >> > > Thanks Zoe, but I started actually playing with it yesterday and =20 > most of these are questions in addition to what I've found. I keep =20= > running up against that bloody 20-minute demo limit (I think there's =20= > also supposed to be another limit at the 10-minute mark -- dumps all =20= > your loop memory -- but that's either inconsistent or a bug). I get =20= > into something really convoluted, then it shuts down. :P Yes. 20 minutes is the demo limit. After it crash! I am sure that 20 =20 minutes is not enough so i will change this very soon. And the 10 minutes dump is not a bug! It is a bad idea i have a day!! =20= I will also change this. > > > It's actually a pretty deep little program, having learned a lot of =20= > lessons from the Repeater, EDP, and Mobius, amongst others. Yes, maybe DEEP is the appropriate word. Thanks to be interested in Logelloop!! Philippe OLLIVIER= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 20:53:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CAFB3BEAF; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6F66glhwV2oA:10 a=1UBLZGd5IV4VoJkFkMIA:9 a=lLbTPb8xrYlB2YL3u4H-sRFYftwA:4 a=f-ADshzQSboA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8E0F367C-6337-4766-A5B2-62A8A8F4F427@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: info at zoekeating Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 12:53:11 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <-lZbQB.A.PgD.6UAeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:53:14 +0000 (UTC) sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on! On Dec 30, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Mech wrote: > At 10:14 AM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >> FYI, you can download it and try it out before buying. that might >> be a good way to answer your questions, just a suggestion. > > Thanks Zoe, but I started actually playing with it yesterday and > most of these are questions in addition to what I've found. I keep > running up against that bloody 20-minute demo limit (I think > there's also supposed to be another limit at the 10-minute mark -- > dumps all your loop memory -- but that's either inconsistent or a > bug). I get into something really convoluted, then it shuts down. :P > > It's actually a pretty deep little program, having learned a lot of > lessons from the Repeater, EDP, and Mobius, amongst others. > > --m. > -- > _____ > "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:12:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58FB43BEC1; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0s38qYAIKRIA:10 a=TOKafjwh1_dK_wn0evEA:9 a=Uhoeu2483wBImIlC9Nmzfmh58FYA:4 a=55zalpP9CjoA:10 a=C3GTRnECkBeYOxCdf4YA:9 a=JFpkrd-HZnoxjJP28g0A:7 a=hDs1xj2v3QjScZU4DcvK1M47doAA:4 a=37WNUvjkh6kA:10 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <38C8A118-FEC8-4875-98F2-32FA7E358371@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--448855779 References: <8E0F367C-6337-4766-A5B2-62A8A8F4F427@zoekeating.com> From: info at zoekeating Subject: Fwd: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:12:39 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:12:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--448855779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed oh rats...i realize i might start a war with this not-so-innocent- comment... Begin forwarded message: > sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the > destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new > looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on! --Apple-Mail-1--448855779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII oh rats...i realize i might start a war with this not-so-innocent-comment...

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sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on!


--Apple-Mail-1--448855779-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:30:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58BEC3BEB0; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:30:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <8E0F367C-6337-4766-A5B2-62A8A8F4F427@zoekeating.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <8A698D91-4219-4E04-B2CE-CAAE5D0B3200@zoekeating.com> <8E0F367C-6337-4766-A5B2-62A8A8F4F427@zoekeating.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:30:07 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:30:12 +0000 (UTC) At 12:53 PM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the >destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new >looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on! Oh no no no no no, don't worry about that!!! If there's something I'm really interested in, then the first thing I always do is pick it apart piece-by-piece. It looks destructive, but it's actually only the fact that I want to know exactly what I can do with a tool, what I can't do with it, and what I can/need to do to twist it around and do new things with it. It's not enmity at all. In fact, I think that Philippe's come up with a pretty neat tool here. In fact, if I weren't genuinely interested, I'd instead be completely indifferent. I know I can be a bit of a curmudgeon sometimes, so maybe I was a bit too direct in my questioning. But no worries here about a "public trashing of brand new looping tools". I merely want to know what the heck is under the hood! :) --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:32:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D6F553BEB0; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=rdnaPDoregqNpqgddVrtrVL47nJZMeQAvnIw8XHqlhClwRVsghqR+i6foscvv55C+nTpb2wmqwPiYmN01kNElYdRPmTHKrLLl3HsNO/GKQX61L9kWWv5q03sVhWojnwA0wrxK4kKFz8yW5fM32dbh2qMHTWKmXWLwNQCVp/hsw0=; X-YMail-OSG: c1csyIAVM1laAiIRdNKaxd2vnu6jIeOJRSj651QEsi0StJk6AfErRVPLvwFNWLDAY1XkqVC2YuMtBLGWF7xMoDJXryUg_RnpA2EC8ejmyh8hGO_WQgU- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) wow,are u serious the echo pro doesn´t do the trail off delay,wasnt it supposed to be a more sofisticated machine than the DL4? i think this is one of the most killer features on delays,i cant believe some of this companies havent realized how essential this is when changing patches!i recently tested the VOX tonelab LE and i couldnt believe it didnt have this feature either this is why ill stay with my simple stomp box pedalboard,and you just add the ingredients i want.The DD-20 does this very nice as well,although i am quite curious about the Timefactor,it seems like it has the features of the DL4 and the DD-20 combined plus midi and usb. I dont know this Eventide company but if they listen to musicians and do frequent upgrades then it might put all of ther current delay stomp boxes out(ive heard they are already working on preset name programming.) The one pedal i am looking for now is a compact preamp simulator to put at the end of the chain,a good punchy clean tube sounding one will do,in case i dont feel like taking my amp thus going straight into the house P.A.,is there such a thing outhere? Luis The Delay Pro would probably be in my > main rack taking > the place of my DL8000R if it had a reasonable hold > function or even > a bypass option that kept the echos going until they > faded out (a > feature I believe the DL-4 has). > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:32:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04E903BED2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <38C8A118-FEC8-4875-98F2-32FA7E358371@zoekeating.com> References: <8E0F367C-6337-4766-A5B2-62A8A8F4F427@zoekeating.com> <38C8A118-FEC8-4875-98F2-32FA7E358371@zoekeating.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:32:40 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Fwd: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="============_-1013072125==_ma============" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:32:52 +0000 (UTC) --============_-1013072125==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" At 1:12 PM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote: >oh rats...i realize i might start a war with this not-so-innocent-comment... > >Begin forwarded message: > >>sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the >>destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new >>looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on! Hahahaha! I hate getting caught in self-referential loops like that. Relax, nothing was taken in a negative context. Don't worry, beee happy.... <*thud*> ;) --m. -- _____ "bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye" --============_-1013072125==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Re: Fwd: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MA
At 1:12 PM -0800 12/30/07, info at zoekeating wrote:
oh rats...i realize i might start a war with this not-so-innocent-comment...

Begin forwarded message:

sorry about that. i worried that we were about to dive into the destructive (in my opinion!) trend of publicly trashing brand new looping tools. i'll stay out of it! loop on!

Hahahaha!  I hate getting caught in self-referential loops like that.

Relax, nothing was taken in a negative context.  Don't worry, beee happy.... <*thud*>  ;)

        --m.
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"bye-bye empire; empire, bye-bye"
--============_-1013072125==_ma============-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 21:50:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AC973BEC2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: References: Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR L Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:50:42 -0800 Message-ID: <003701c84b2e$065769f0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AchKe9t6eIrv3gVgRPueDLxWz3eTcgAr0QJg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:50:39 +0000 (UTC) I wish my looperlative was in a floor box the size of the Gordius Little Giant, other than that I can't begin to describe what a liberation it has been moving from the Repeater to the Looperlative. Granted I never had a chance to play with two edps, and the times I've used one, I was a bit clumsy with the architecture but I thought the sound of it was fine, certainly warmer than the Repeater, which can sound really cool in an artifacty kind of way, but has a bit of digital grunge. Concerning the DL-4, I'm surprised that it is the only floor looper (as far as I know) that has an assignable expression pedal port. Which is an incredible expressive tool in both loop mode and delay mode. It makes me very curious to check out the new Eventide delay as it also boasts an expression pedal input (not to mention a high price tag), though I'm unsure if it has a true looper on board. I wish the dl-4 had midi sync, or at the very least more loop time, a way to vary the feedback in loop mode or assign feedback to the expression pedal, and some way peel away overdubs. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:41:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39A633BEC2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:41:02 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:41:07 +0000 (UTC) At 9:08 PM +0100 12/30/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: >Hi Mech, > >Sorry, i was out today... Don't sweat it! Hey, this is already a superior response time to what you get with all but the highest tier of software/hardware vendors. >>...they don't mention that the SPEED parameter is subject to this. >>Does that mean that the lag only affects instances where you are >>manipulating time and pitch independently of each other? > >Yes, Pitch is a big calculation to obtain a good sound while speed >change is only related to the player. There is no calculation. So, >no latency needed. I just have to say that our speed change system >is made to obtain the better sound even t very low speed. Awesome! So, at its heart, you get the same sort of functionality as 99.9% of the other Loopers out there. And if you can accept some lag, you can also have independent control over time and/or pitch as well. >When you use a pitch, you need time to calculate. So if only one >track is pitched, it is not synced to other tracks. So, I decided to >insert a delay in the other tracks to maintain the music >synchronization. The problem is when you need to make an overdub if >(at least one track is pitched or streched). It is the reason why i >prefer to record my sound before playing with pitch and strech... > >This will change, it is sure, but i don't know when. No problem; merely wanted to see if that were on the roadmap. :) >>I noticed there's not a real Feedback parameter... > >The feedback exist. It is what we call "mixed overdub" You can >choose it in the transport panel or with a macro. in transport, in >the right hand, there is a word "NORMAL". If you click it one time >it turn to "MIXED". Then the overdub is mixed. >Under this word, you can change the percentage of mix just with a click/slide. > >If you click another time on the word "MIXED" it turn to "REPLACE" >and in this case an overdub will replace the sound like for a tape. Dig! That's just what I was looking for. Thanks Philippe!!! >Sorry i just understand that it is not explained in the documentation!!! Like I said before, it's still early on. These things will get worked out. ;) >The autofade affect all the tracks at the same time. >Yes, with the macro you can fade in or out each track separately. That's excellent! So you could have tracks automatically fading in and out against one another (like with the newest Looperlative update). Lots of other things I'm certain you could do with Macros, I merely haven't gotten a chance to get too far yet. >>Is there a way to use two of the "built in" effects simultaneously >>(for instance, Convo or Granulateurre feeding into Delay)? > >No, it is not possible for now. >I am also interested in it for my music. So you can be sure i will >implement it as soon as i have the time. Heheheh! I definitely like it when the developer has a vested interest in doing the same thing I want to accomplish. >I also plan to implement more than 2 auxes but i don't know when. Cool! And it looks like you've possibly been influenced by some bits of the routing configuration from Ableton, which is a good thing IMNSHO. Live is one of those things that I keep trying to replace (believing that there has to be something better out there for my purposes) but I always get sucked back into it again -- either by CPU utilization, or the flexible routing, or the built in effects, or.... :P >>I keep running up against that bloody 20-minute demo limit (I think >>there's also supposed to be another limit at the 10-minute mark -- >>dumps all your loop memory -- but that's either inconsistent or a >>bug). > >Yes. 20 minutes is the demo limit. After it crash! I am sure that 20 >minutes is not enough so i will change this very soon. >And the 10 minutes dump is not a bug! It is a bad idea i have a >day!! I will also change this. Oh that would be wonderful. As we said before, this is a very deep program. I had the 20 minutes time out on me once yesterday while merely going through all the options under the preference page. ;) As far as I'm concerned, the deeper the better. Of course, you don't want to obscure the simplicity of the basic operations (and I think you have succeeded pretty well in leaving those transparent) but beyond that I enjoy seeing as much flexibility in a program as possible. But it takes a little longer than 20 minutes in a session to really see what can be done here. >You are welcome! >And thanks. >Philippe OLLIVIER. Ahh, no. Rather, thank you Philippe! I think you've come up with something that's well worth exploring. And as I mentioned to Zoe, I'm not trying to be harsh on the product. I merely want to know its various ins and outs. Thanks again! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:45:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 225043BEB9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:45:29 UTC Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:38:42 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:45:30 +0000 (UTC) At 9:08 PM +0100 12/30/07, Philippe ollivier wrote: >Hi Mech, > >Sorry, i was out today... Don't sweat it! Hey, this is already a superior response time to what you get with all but the highest tier of software/hardware vendors. >>...they don't mention that the SPEED parameter is subject to this. >>Does that mean that the lag only affects instances where you are >>manipulating time and pitch independently of each other? > >Yes, Pitch is a big calculation to obtain a good sound while speed >change is only related to the player. There is no calculation. So, >no latency needed. I just have to say that our speed change system >is made to obtain the better sound even t very low speed. Awesome! So, at its heart, you get the same sort of functionality as 99.9% of the other Loopers out there. And if you can accept some lag, you can also have independent control over time and/or pitch as well. >When you use a pitch, you need time to calculate. So if only one >track is pitched, it is not synced to other tracks. So, I decided to >insert a delay in the other tracks to maintain the music >synchronization. The problem is when you need to make an overdub if >(at least one track is pitched or streched). It is the reason why i >prefer to record my sound before playing with pitch and strech... > >This will change, it is sure, but i don't know when. No problem; merely wanted to see if that were on the roadmap. :) >>I noticed there's not a real Feedback parameter... > >The feedback exist. It is what we call "mixed overdub" You can >choose it in the transport panel or with a macro. in transport, in >the right hand, there is a word "NORMAL". If you click it one time >it turn to "MIXED". Then the overdub is mixed. >Under this word, you can change the percentage of mix just with a click/slide. > >If you click another time on the word "MIXED" it turn to "REPLACE" >and in this case an overdub will replace the sound like for a tape. Dig! That's just what I was looking for. Thanks Philippe!!! >Sorry i just understand that it is not explained in the documentation!!! Like I said before, it's still early on. These things will get worked out. ;) >The autofade affect all the tracks at the same time. >Yes, with the macro you can fade in or out each track separately. That's excellent! So you could have tracks automatically fading in and out against one another (like with the newest Looperlative update). Lots of other things I'm certain you could do with Macros, I merely haven't gotten a chance to get too far yet. >>Is there a way to use two of the "built in" effects simultaneously >>(for instance, Convo or Granulateurre feeding into Delay)? > >No, it is not possible for now. >I am also interested in it for my music. So you can be sure i will >implement it as soon as i have the time. Heheheh! I definitely like it when the developer has a vested interest in doing the same thing I want to accomplish. >I also plan to implement more than 2 auxes but i don't know when. Cool! And it looks like you've possibly been influenced by some bits of the routing configuration from Ableton, which is a good thing IMNSHO. Live is one of those things that I keep trying to replace (believing that there has to be something better out there for my purposes) but I always get sucked back into it again -- either by CPU utilization, or the flexible routing, or the built in effects, or.... :P >>I keep running up against that bloody 20-minute demo limit (I think >>there's also supposed to be another limit at the 10-minute mark -- >>dumps all your loop memory -- but that's either inconsistent or a >>bug). > >Yes. 20 minutes is the demo limit. After it crash! I am sure that 20 >minutes is not enough so i will change this very soon. >And the 10 minutes dump is not a bug! It is a bad idea i have a >day!! I will also change this. Oh that would be wonderful. As we said before, this is a very deep program. I had the 20 minutes time out on me once yesterday while merely going through all the options under the preference page. ;) As far as I'm concerned, the deeper the better. Of course, you don't want to obscure the simplicity of the basic operations (and I think you have succeeded pretty well in leaving those transparent) but beyond that I enjoy seeing as much flexibility in a program as possible. But it takes a little longer than 20 minutes in a session to really see what can be done here. >You are welcome! >And thanks. >Philippe OLLIVIER. Ahh, no. Rather, thank you Philippe! I think you've come up with something that's well worth exploring. And as I mentioned to Zoe, I'm not trying to be harsh on the product. I merely want to know its various ins and outs. Thanks again! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49EE23BEC2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3AF864D3-D52C-437D-A28A-F94C6277C2C9@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:51:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:49:55 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:32 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > The one pedal i am looking for now is a compact preamp > simulator to put at the end of the chain,a good punchy > clean tube sounding one will do,in case i dont feel > like taking my amp thus going straight into the house > P.A.,is there such a thing outhere? Tech21 Tr-A.C.? I don't know whether you would find it sufficiently tube sounding and Tech21 does tend to lean toward high-gain behavior. If you really want clean, the Tech21 Acoustic DI is pretty nice as well. (I was looking at the Diamond Halo Chorus web page recently and listening to some of their dual amp samples and contemplating replacing the rack mount SansAmp with a pair of Tri-A.C.s. That would only work if I had the pedal board space, however.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:53:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA0763BEC2; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=I0ffiz8rPwUA:10 a=bLmzTDcsAAAA:8 a=rWUjpj01STFqganEu6wA:9 a=axrqQ4sfKHJKFf5h6hsA:7 a=dAsaPt5At9J-e3QOGe_FKNUmYxgA:4 a=zaMPjcxdHi0A:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.55.25.159 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001701c84b36$c1f8bbc0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003701c84b2e$065769f0$6501a8c0@williamsteed> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR L Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:53:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:53:04 +0000 (UTC) I was just reading this http://www.guitarplayer.com/article/eventide-timefactor/dec-07/32601 No mention here if the loops can be reversed... "The Looper operates in a relatively straightforward manner, though it has numerous hidden functions, some of which are quite esoteric. You get 12 seconds of loop time at full bandwidth (lower-bandwidth 24- and 48-second looping are also available), with a choice of various recording, dubbing, and playback modes. You can also have previously looped material fade out as you overdub new material (à la Frippertronics), and manipulate the time/pitch relationships of recorded loops in real time-including setting the Play Speed to pitch the loop in musical intervals by using the Octaves, Oct+5th, Dom7th, and Chromatic settings." Only 3 sec on the models and I don't know that it will leave trails when changing presets. High dollar too! Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Walker" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR L > > > I wish my looperlative was in a floor box the size of the Gordius Little > Giant, other than that I can't begin to describe what a liberation it has > been moving from the Repeater to the Looperlative. Granted I never had a > chance to play with two edps, and the times I've used one, I was a bit > clumsy with the architecture but I thought the sound of it was fine, > certainly warmer than the Repeater, which can sound really cool in an > artifacty kind of way, but has a bit of digital grunge. > Concerning the DL-4, I'm surprised that it is the only floor looper (as > far as I know) that has an assignable expression pedal port. Which is an > incredible expressive tool in both loop mode and delay mode. It makes me > very curious to check out the new Eventide delay as it also boasts an > expression pedal input (not to mention a high price tag), though I'm > unsure > if it has a true looper on board. I wish the dl-4 had midi sync, or at the > very least more loop time, a way to vary the feedback in loop mode or > assign > feedback to the expression pedal, and some way peel away overdubs. > Bill > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: > 12/29/2007 1:27 PM > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 22:55:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 852D13BEB9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 14:57:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: <7tO6O.A.38C.9HCeHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:55:57 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 30, 2007, at 1:32 PM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > wow,are u serious the echo pro doesn=B4t do the trail > off delay,wasnt it supposed to be a more sofisticated > machine than the DL4? It's the sort of design error that I expect from Roland that turns a =20 potentially cool product into a merely interesting product. (My key example in Roland's case was building into the Handsonic =20 HPD-15 most of the same effects algorithms as on the SP-808, having 3 =20= knobs and a D-beam controller, and then failing to make the effects =20 particularly friendly toward real time tweakage using these controls.) Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 23:08:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70C493BEB9; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006b01c84b37$9e41dc60$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 22:59:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:08:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi, The Echo Pro has it when you go into bypass, but it only has the one delay line, so you can't keep a long one going while switching to a shorter one (for example), yes, irritating. The tc Nova Delay can do this. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 9:32 PM Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS wow,are u serious the echo pro doesn´t do the trail off delay,wasnt it supposed to be a more sofisticated machine than the DL4? i think this is one of the most killer features on delays,i cant believe some of this companies havent realized how essential this is when changing patches!i recently tested the VOX tonelab LE and i couldnt believe it didnt have this feature either this is why ill stay with my simple stomp box pedalboard,and you just add the ingredients i want.The DD-20 does this very nice as well,although i am quite curious about the Timefactor,it seems like it has the features of the DL4 and the DD-20 combined plus midi and usb. I dont know this Eventide company but if they listen to musicians and do frequent upgrades then it might put all of ther current delay stomp boxes out(ive heard they are already working on preset name programming.) The one pedal i am looking for now is a compact preamp simulator to put at the end of the chain,a good punchy clean tube sounding one will do,in case i dont feel like taking my amp thus going straight into the house P.A.,is there such a thing outhere? Luis The Delay Pro would probably be in my > main rack taking > the place of my DL8000R if it had a reasonable hold > function or even > a bypass option that kept the echos going until they > faded out (a > feature I believe the DL-4 has). > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Dec 30 23:25:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 816743BEC7; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:25:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <006b01c84b37$9e41dc60$6c052052@customer3530f5> References: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006b01c84b37$9e41dc60$6c052052@customer3530f5> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6057D26B-90DA-456D-8A69-AF86CCFF35F7@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:27:00 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:25:55 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, The Echo Pro has it when you go into bypass, but it only has > the one delay line, so you can't keep a long one going while > switching to a shorter one (for example), yes, irritating. The tc > Nova Delay can do this. Maybe I misread what Input Mute (IMUT) mode does. It says that it cuts off the input to the effect. If that keeps the portion of the signal that's passing through, I'm potentially much happier. I guess I better go try that. Maybe I maligned Line6 on this account. Now, if only it had a hold option, but I gather I need the Eventide unit to get that. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 00:02:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 799653BEC1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 401 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:02:40 UTC Message-ID: <20071230155550.r7ljexv6yo4oo0cg@webmail.mhorse.com> Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:55:50 -0800 From: highhorse@mhorse.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Stefan-Tiedje@addcom.de Subject: Re: Repetitive Miniatures References: <234435.95307.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <624A0F62-F6EE-4899-B114-85445A460AAD@midway.uchicago.edu> <475AB784.3090803@unguitar.com> <475ABBE4.6030908@mhorse.com> <475AC3AA.40208@mhorse.com> <007501c839b7$793d7b90$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> <475AC779.1020909@mhorse.com> <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> In-Reply-To: <47765DF6.8030300@addcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 00:02:41 +0000 (UTC) Stefan, this sounds awesome, I've been traveling without my computer but as soon as I get back home I'm going to check this out. a very sweet Xmas gift indeed, thank you! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > I sent this already for christmas, but, maybe because of the attachment > it didn't make it to the list. This time with a link instead: > > http://www.savefile.com/files/1290897 > > I liked these Minitaure a lot, some are even magic... > > Daryl Shawn schrieb: >> I wish I could do would be to set instructions in the CD information >> so that the repeat button would automatically be activated. > > Of course this triggered the wish to have a player which would play them > randomly for a random time. Easy to do in Max of course.... > > My little christmas present is a so called collective, From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 01:42:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D515B3BEC2; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=k7giWzwXS3oLCmfxb6autzCrm57UZ+pG0PVLE5mpb3o=; b=f8jk4G2dQgJec3cSdJEkvY0jllCL1O83AJq2h5R8FmM5LixKFkaO3cU3j/zPefaW9uqjUZp17B+Qdcf39FOccLjwLOamrRYL/aGF6hpXf0rY/bhvz3WZgLRnHUHtm9cQlqMJEv7epbXcd0R6fa/W7+P+zwvVhjZ36cokfTcz2sw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=w4gjzjW4C7Ct36FKlZ+KY15VGOhRTRVRuUhI/swD4LBEa+rDsRegHDWbOIX9EjAaZh1vmaVOxBBj0FCAN+q5Ux80OPhtuUC9mWwkdRRYal+ZGDWDGTH4R0VTnK9vZVyprbpaEyoTI813swHTxadISAddTKRRIxzJI3aVw791HjE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:42:26 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 01:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Hi Gang, I too have had a go with Logelloop today and I really like this looper! I was a bit reluctant first, until I read the "Logelloop Macro Programming Reference Guide". With macro's I will be able to loop with the same concept I used with EDP/Repeater and like to use with Mobius; ie improvising chord changes in the loop while playing along and even overdubbing into the loop. Logelloop also has a wonderful potential as "groove machine looper" because you can swap presets by pedal controlled macro's. One particularly exciting test I did today was to set up Speed changes for all tracks in advance and then start out by recording a short and punchy percussion loop ("flute spitting"), kick Overdub and play almost the same riff. Since I'm starting out in Normal Overdub Mode each new loop layer will be recorded to a new track (Logellop is like a Repeater with ten tracks - ie ONE loop by TEN tracks). Ok, I record almost the same percussive riff on every track, but since they are pre-configured at different Speed the instant orchestrated effect is a smashing poly rhythm. You could eventually break the chain at track 8 or nine by kicking Multiply instead and layer the final tracks as longer layers. Or you could kick the Overdub Mode into Mix to overdub many layers into the same loop, at the end. At this point I reached my first question mark: When working in Mix Overdub Mode I wasn't able to find the feedback control? Where is it? I was also delighted to find, in the Macro Reference Guide, that you can "quantize" the execution of a macro to either wait until the end of the loop or until the beginning of the loop. I don't yet understand what practical difference one or the other would make though. Such "quantizing" is essential for the above mentioned looping technique, if you write a macro that recalls a preset with a setup of different track Speed settings to form a new chord. You can also "quantize" preset recalls by the settings in the mixer's preset section (direct/instantly, by end or by beginning of loop). My second question mark regarding Logelloop has to do with VST plug- in synchronization. I was opening a VST OhmBoyz delay (by OhmForce in France!!!) as Aux FX and the BPM value did not seem to follow the tempo implied by the length of the loop I was creating. I double- checked with Ableton Live and found that the VST OhmBoyz displayed the correct tempo in that VST host. I need to do more listening tests on this tomorrow, to late now for my neighbors, to see if it is a graphical bug in Logelloop or if the VST tempo information is broken on its way to the plug-in. Speaking about VST, why staying with that old and inflated format? Steinberg never steered it up properly and today it's just a mess out there. Third party plug-in developers tend to give priority to creating AU versions for the new Intel CPU armed Apple computers. If there was a "AU to VST Converter" available I would buy it right away, since my favorite plug-ins are AU only and will never appear as Universal Binary VST versions. Speaking about those Aux FX slots, I couldn't hear any sounding difference when moving the volume fader for fx1 and fx2? I had to control the effect level only by the send level. Finally, I did not understand what type of "MIDI Synchronization" is mentioned in the Macro Reference Guide. Is it MIDI Clock or is it Midi Time Code? And what is it for? Nothing on that in the manual. My guess is that it's about MIDI Clock and then I'm of course curious if Logelloop has some sort of internal synchronization system that sends the same MIDI Synch Commands to VST Plug-ins loaded into the two Aux FX slots? Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the VST Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message informed me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What a shame, Pluggo are so nice! Logelloop looks nice too. Screen grab: http://www.looproom.com/ logelloop.png On 30 dec 2007, at 21.08, Philippe ollivier wrote: > When you use a pitch, you need time to calculate. So if only one > track is pitched, it is not synced to other tracks. So, I decided > to insert a delay in the other tracks to maintain the music > synchronization. The problem is when you need to make an overdub if > (at least one track is pitched or streched). It is the reason why i > prefer to record my sound before playing with pitch and strech... That's why I love Speed!!!! ;-)) I'm not so sure the problem with slow calculation of Pitch can ever be solved. The best "Pitch Issue" I've seen (heard) is in the old Repeater. When I sent a new tempo or pitch command to my Repeater it kind of caught up slowly. That's much better compared to playing everything right on time but with a crackling fidelity until the new order is stable, as some software do. Pitch Transformation and Time Stretching can be instantly carried out in software when applied to already recorded audio. Then the software uses a look-ahead function to gain the time needed for calculations, but those precious milliseconds just don't exist in live music where audio is created and sent into the machinery by carbon based musicians. So for live looping pitch sucks and speed rocks. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 03:23:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F5AE3BEC5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:23:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_20cb415f-6a89-4111-9685-b973cda3b929_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.71.167] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:23:16 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2007 03:23:16.0350 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BA451E0:01C84B5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:23:19 +0000 (UTC) --_20cb415f-6a89-4111-9685-b973cda3b929_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all. =20 heres a lil tricky one for you edp users. =20 i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying = down some live beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from= the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nice and tight. =20 sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in tim= e with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the microko= rg.=20 =20 the weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use = to control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the mic= rokorg. =20 i kind of get that the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp and= this is being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you get = it so only the clock is being recieved and nothing else? =20 i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramiters of the microkorg= from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so the korg sta= ys in time. =20 anyone done the hard work on this already willing to save my heart yet more= stress in 2008. =20 cheers in advance =20 phill myonemanband _________________________________________________________________ Fancy some celeb spotting?=20 https://www.celebmashup.com= --_20cb415f-6a89-4111-9685-b973cda3b929_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all.
 
heres a lil tricky one for you edp users.
 
i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying = down some live beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from= the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nice and tight.
 
sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in tim= e with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the microko= rg.
 
the weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use = to control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the mic= rokorg.
 
i kind of get that the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp and= this is being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you get = it so only the clock is being recieved and nothing else?
 
i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramiters of the microkorg= from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so the korg sta= ys in time.
 
anyone done the hard work on this already willing to save my heart yet more= stress in 2008.
 
cheers in advance
 
phill myonemanband

Everything in one place. All new Windows Live!= = --_20cb415f-6a89-4111-9685-b973cda3b929_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 03:25:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9F0863BEC7; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:25:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_44ac9c54-7aff-4ec1-97e7-fbb15670398f_" X-Originating-IP: [87.102.71.167] From: phillip wilson To: Subject: edp microkorg sync help Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:25:55 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 Dec 2007 03:25:56.0047 (UTC) FILETIME=[DAD425F0:01C84B5C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:25:57 +0000 (UTC) --_44ac9c54-7aff-4ec1-97e7-fbb15670398f_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all.=20 appologys for repost, didnt put a header heres a lil tricky one for you edp users. i got myself a microkorg for xmas= and i have been loking forward to laying down some live beats to the edp t= hen having the microkorg recieve sync from the edp so the arps lock in to t= he beat nice and tight. sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on = the korg to flash in time with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no soun= d comes from the microkorg. the weird bit is that each button push of the = berhinger fcb1010 that i use to control the edp results in some form of sou= nd being omitted from the microkorg. i kind of get that the midi foot contr= oller is sending notes to the edp and this is being relayed to the midi in = of the microkorg, but how do you get it so only the clock is being recieved= and nothing else? i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramite= rs of the microkorg from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the = edp so the korg stays in time. anyone done the hard work on this already wi= lling to save my heart yet more stress in 2008. cheers in advance phill myo= nemanband _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox.=20 http://www.searchgamesbox.com= --_44ac9c54-7aff-4ec1-97e7-fbb15670398f_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all.
 
appologys for repost, didnt put a header

heres a lil tricky one for you edp users.
 
i got myself a m= icrokorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying down some live b= eats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from the edp so the = arps lock in to the beat nice and tight.
 
sadly so far, no joy,= i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in time with the midi on th= e edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the microkorg.
 
the= weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use to = control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the microk= org.
 
i kind of get that the midi foot controller is sending no= tes to the edp and this is being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, b= ut how do you get it so only the clock is being recieved and nothing else?<= BR> 
i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramiters of = the microkorg from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so= the korg stays in time.
 
anyone done the hard work on this alr= eady willing to save my heart yet more stress in 2008.
 
cheers = in advance
 
phill myonemanband

She = said what? About who? Shameful celebrity quotes on Search Star! = --_44ac9c54-7aff-4ec1-97e7-fbb15670398f_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 03:53:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 729B43BEC7; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=c/E3OgvI3hIlZ7U4xPdbFXbH5fYhnk6lzHcwk7TehTo=; b=r9XiUqB7KrMl2Up8u5lmuMgG9dux8GximAeCXOyVEt6a9cZk8CoJRM6xWtRMrh/AO2L1PcnUo2n3sI541QrnFnp94MUSNh9b2gjKUpOwMWn3LIdhkpgdjLIM1WEGyjfKjIT5V33TcoFiBgAQtpFjN1lZfGOnLP0AsFdEML5Z0GU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Hb2/Ldzy3lBJ/wDTBB0mhrEe2FXVNDVV+3nNAIqli+ypFST/ysE90vyq90SdrdXP4IaPpRdYgmGqUor0eynXk1rOcPpeOxewl2s90ceevfpF85xBeIqT7IPOGsqYNfQqXFSag5LQesRubNSPbkSRhVY+J/XqZEztgeZL400maek= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: edp microkorg sync help Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 19:53:47 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 03:53:53 +0000 (UTC) On Dec 30, 2007, at 7:25 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > just want to send clock from the edp so the korg stays in time. Did you set the microKorg to "MIDI clock" Auto or External? Did you try each? I don't have an EDP so just barely follow the threads but I seem to recall reading recently that the EDP is not so great as a master clock? regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 07:20:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE6323BEC5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 101857 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:20:49 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=levmjCPzGIL+vOB95LJ9/JTuxapLe0YqhPrGlIRhamw=; b=KbMzyvgvVmt+1v35F2ZfkKviV+OUAHVIATxtpg9BKUAOcVl/+C7qxNZfbhNFlPuQCqFmP+OV6XFyejTZwrO0HY3RBwCiOs6tbE7xiZml9OWFixbEwxOhEnB+TZVpZMIyYOHNhu0xTUn3jnQlWxcD6b5tBBMC1qxpCxmpGmyT+3M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=xMaaxt3QdGrKHUOrQ6y0IIKIk+f7dR+4dIznA2NxZQMFHQ34OFhTGso8rtjZrMCYbXPYp1T27oFWzb+4Pu3Sm6j99WkCyn8lwnm7+3PbEXAFegh0dlkkLUpRg2koYiVfZRdGCmIgGdh0Z773dxA23LOj7BJgyM7qmkECn9SGqzc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 23:20:48 -0800 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 07:20:50 +0000 (UTC) You'll want the EDP and the FCB on one MIDI channel, and the Korg on a different one. I believe that MIDI clock is global to all channels, but your FCB messages will only be noticed by the EDP if they're on the same channel. On Dec 30, 2007 7:23 PM, phillip wilson wrote: > > i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying > down some live beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from > the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nice and tight. > > sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in > time with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the > microkorg. > > the weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use > to control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the > microkorg. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 10:17:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40AA73BEB9; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:17:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--401782297 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:17:13 +0100 References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:17:17 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--401782297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Per, Thanks for your explanation to the gang. Le 31 d=E9c. 07 =E0 02:42, Per Boysen a =E9crit : > Hi Gang, > > I too have had a go with Logelloop today and I really like this =20 > looper! I was a bit reluctant first, until I read the "Logelloop =20 > Macro Programming Reference Guide". With macro's I will be able to =20 > loop with the same concept I used with EDP/Repeater and like to use =20= > with Mobius; ie improvising chord changes in the loop while playing =20= > along and even overdubbing into the loop. Logelloop also has a =20 > wonderful potential as "groove machine looper" because you can swap =20= > presets by pedal controlled macro's. One particularly exciting test =20= > I did today was to set up Speed changes for all tracks in advance =20 > and then start out by recording a short and punchy percussion loop =20 > ("flute spitting"), kick Overdub and play almost the same riff. =20 > Since I'm starting out in Normal Overdub Mode each new loop layer =20 > will be recorded to a new track (Logellop is like a Repeater with =20 > ten tracks - ie ONE loop by TEN tracks). Ok, I record almost the =20 > same percussive riff on every track, but since they are pre-=20 > configured at different Speed the instant orchestrated effect is a =20 > smashing poly rhythm. You could eventually break the chain at track =20= > 8 or nine by kicking Multiply instead and layer the final tracks as =20= > longer layers. Or you could kick the Overdub Mode into Mix to =20 > overdub many layers into the same loop, at the end. > > At this point I reached my first question mark: When working in Mix =20= > Overdub Mode I wasn't able to find the feedback control? Where is it? Yes, it is in the transport window, just under the Normal/Mix Mode/=20 Replace button. I uploaded a new version of the manual on the logelloop site last =20 night : http://logelloop.logellou.com/Download.html In this new version Mixed overdub in explained and also Granulaterre =20 and Delay. > > > I was also delighted to find, in the Macro Reference Guide, that you =20= > can "quantize" the execution of a macro to either wait until the end =20= > of the loop or until the beginning of the loop. I don't yet =20 > understand what practical difference one or the other would make =20 > though. Such "quantizing" is essential for the above mentioned =20 > looping technique, if you write a macro that recalls a preset with a =20= > setup of different track Speed settings to form a new chord. You can =20= > also "quantize" preset recalls by the settings in the mixer's preset =20= > section (direct/instantly, by end or by beginning of loop). In the programming world, between the end of the loop and the =20 beginning of the loop, there is a lot of thing to do! If you want to make something that can take some time to be effective, =20= it may be better to use WaitEndLoop. > > > My second question mark regarding Logelloop has to do with VST plug-=20= > in synchronization. I was opening a VST OhmBoyz delay (by OhmForce =20 > in France!!!) as Aux FX and the BPM value did not seem to follow the =20= > tempo implied by the length of the loop I was creating. I double-=20 > checked with Ableton Live and found that the VST OhmBoyz displayed =20 > the correct tempo in that VST host. I need to do more listening =20 > tests on this tomorrow, to late now for my neighbors, to see if it =20 > is a graphical bug in Logelloop or if the VST tempo information is =20 > broken on its way to the plug-in. > The problem is inside Logelloop. There is no tempo connection or midi sync between Logelloop and the =20 loaded plugs. We hope to change that as soon as possible, no date for it though. Maybe, if you need an external Fx to replace one of your favorite =20 synced delay, i can work on it and add it to the next version (1.1 =20 will release soon i think). For this, you just have to describe =20 exactly what you want. > Speaking about VST, why staying with that old and inflated format? =20 > Steinberg never steered it up properly and today it's just a mess =20 > out there. Third party plug-in developers tend to give priority to =20 > creating AU versions for the new Intel CPU armed Apple computers. If =20= > there was a "AU to VST Converter" available I would buy it right =20 > away, since my favorite plug-ins are AU only and will never appear =20 > as Universal Binary VST versions. Yes, i agree with you on this point. AU support is also planned. > > > Speaking about those Aux FX slots, I couldn't hear any sounding =20 > difference when moving the volume fader for fx1 and fx2? I had to =20 > control the effect level only by the send level. The Fxs faders works but maybe the curve is strange... And note that =20 the VU-meter is pre-fader by default, to change this cilck on "Vu pre" =20= at the left end of the main window. The FX faders control the output of the plugs and not the input =20 summation to it. > > > Finally, I did not understand what type of "MIDI Synchronization" is =20= > mentioned in the Macro Reference Guide. Is it MIDI Clock or is it =20 > Midi Time Code? And what is it for? Nothing on that in the manual. =20 > My guess is that it's about MIDI Clock and then I'm of course =20 > curious if Logelloop has some sort of internal synchronization =20 > system that sends the same MIDI Synch Commands to VST Plug-ins =20 > loaded into the two Aux FX slots? The midi sync you in the macro guide is related to the internal =20 metronome of Logelloop. But in Logelloop v1.0, you can't access directly to the metronome, we =20= still have a bug to fix before making it accessible. The metronome will permit to create quantized loops. Note that the metronome of Granulaterre is actually the main metronome =20= and in logelloop v1.1, you will be able to synchronize your loops to =20 Granulaterre. > > > Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the VST =20= > Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message informed =20= > me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What a shame, =20 > Pluggo are so nice! I am downloading the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I will =20 keep you informed. > > > Logelloop looks nice too. Screen grab: = http://www.looproom.com/logelloop.png > > > On 30 dec 2007, at 21.08, Philippe ollivier wrote: > >> When you use a pitch, you need time to calculate. So if only one =20 >> track is pitched, it is not synced to other tracks. So, I decided =20 >> to insert a delay in the other tracks to maintain the music =20 >> synchronization. The problem is when you need to make an overdub if =20= >> (at least one track is pitched or streched). It is the reason why i =20= >> prefer to record my sound before playing with pitch and strech... > > That's why I love Speed!!!! ;-)) I'm not so sure the problem with =20 > slow calculation of Pitch can ever be solved. The best "Pitch Issue" =20= > I've seen (heard) is in the old Repeater. When I sent a new tempo or =20= > pitch command to my Repeater it kind of caught up slowly. That's =20 > much better compared to playing everything right on time but with a =20= > crackling fidelity until the new order is stable, as some software =20 > do. Pitch Transformation and Time Stretching can be instantly =20 > carried out in software when applied to already recorded audio. Then =20= > the software uses a look-ahead function to gain the time needed for =20= > calculations, but those precious milliseconds just don't exist in =20 > live music where audio is created and sent into the machinery by =20 > carbon based musicians. So for live looping pitch sucks and speed =20 > rocks. > I agree, i also prefer speed... Philippe OLLIVIER. ------------------------------------- http://logelloop.logellou.com/ www.philippeollivier.com --Apple-Mail-6--401782297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Per,

Thanks for = your explanation to the gang.

=

Le 31 d=E9c. 07 =E0 02:42, Per Boysen a =E9crit = :

Hi Gang,

I too have had a go with Logelloop today = and I really like this looper! I was a bit reluctant first, until I read = the "Logelloop Macro Programming Reference Guide". With macro's I will = be able to loop with the same concept I used with EDP/Repeater and like = to use with Mobius; ie improvising chord changes in the loop while = playing along and even overdubbing into the loop. Logelloop also has a = wonderful potential as "groove machine looper" because you can swap = presets by pedal controlled macro's. One particularly exciting test I = did today was to set up Speed changes for all tracks in advance and then = start out by recording a short and punchy percussion loop ("flute = spitting"), kick Overdub and play almost the same riff. Since I'm = starting out in Normal Overdub Mode each new loop layer will be recorded = to a new track (Logellop is like a Repeater with ten tracks - ie ONE = loop by TEN tracks). Ok, I record almost the same percussive riff on = every track, but since they are pre-configured at different Speed the = instant orchestrated effect is a smashing poly rhythm. You could = eventually break the chain at track 8 or nine by kicking Multiply = instead and layer the final tracks as longer layers. Or you could kick = the Overdub Mode into Mix to overdub many layers into the same loop, at = the end.

At this point I reached my first question mark: When = working in Mix Overdub Mode I wasn't able to find the feedback control? = Where is it?

Yes, it is in the = transport window, just under the Normal/Mix Mode/Replace = button.
I uploaded a new version of the manual on the = logelloop site last night : http://logelloop.loge= llou.com/Download.html
In this new version Mixed overdub = in explained and also Granulaterre and Delay.



I was also delighted to find, in the Macro = Reference Guide, that you can "quantize" the execution of a macro to = either wait until the end of the loop or until the beginning of the = loop. I don't yet understand what practical difference one or the other = would make though. Such "quantizing" is essential for the above = mentioned looping technique, if you write a macro that recalls a preset = with a setup of different track Speed settings to form a new chord. You = can also "quantize" preset recalls by the settings in the mixer's preset = section (direct/instantly, by end or by beginning of = loop).

In the programming world, = between the end of the loop and the beginning of the loop, there is a = lot of thing to do!
If you want to make something that can = take some time to be effective, it may be better to use = WaitEndLoop.


My second question = mark regarding Logelloop has to do with VST plug-in synchronization. I = was opening a VST OhmBoyz delay (by OhmForce in France!!!) as Aux FX and = the BPM value did not seem to follow the tempo implied by the length of = the loop I was creating. I double-checked with Ableton Live and found = that the VST OhmBoyz displayed the correct tempo in that VST host. I = need to do more listening tests on this tomorrow, to late now for my = neighbors, to see if it is a graphical bug in Logelloop or if the VST = tempo information is broken on its way to the = plug-in.


The problem is inside = Logelloop.
There is no tempo connection or midi sync between = Logelloop and the loaded plugs.
We hope to change that as soon = as possible, no date for it though.

Maybe, if you need an = external Fx to replace one of your favorite synced delay, i can work on = it and add it to the next version (1.1 will release soon i think). For = this, you just have to describe exactly what you want.


Speaking about VST, why staying with that old and inflated = format? Steinberg never steered it up properly and today it's just a = mess out there. Third party plug-in developers tend to give priority to = creating AU versions for the new Intel CPU armed Apple computers. If = there was a "AU to VST Converter" available I would buy it right away, = since my favorite plug-ins are AU only and will never appear as = Universal Binary VST versions.

Yes, i agree with you on this = point.
AU support is also planned.



Speaking about those Aux FX slots, I couldn't hear = any sounding difference when moving the volume fader for fx1 and fx2? I = had to control the effect level only by the send = level.

The = Fxs faders works but maybe the curve is strange... And note that the = VU-meter is pre-fader by default, to change this cilck on "Vu pre" at = the left end of the main window.
The FX faders control the = output of the plugs and not the input summation to = it.



Finally, I did not = understand what type of "MIDI Synchronization" is mentioned in the Macro = Reference Guide. Is it MIDI Clock or is it Midi Time Code? And what is = it for? Nothing on that in the manual. My guess is that it's about MIDI = Clock and then I'm of course curious if Logelloop has some sort of = internal synchronization system that sends the same MIDI Synch Commands = to VST Plug-ins loaded into the two Aux FX slots?

The midi sync you in the macro = guide is related to the internal metronome of = Logelloop.
But in Logelloop v1.0, you can't access directly to = the metronome, we still have a bug to fix before making = it accessible.
The metronome will permit to create = quantized loops.
Note that the metronome of Granulaterre = is actually the main metronome and in logelloop v1.1, you will = be able to synchronize your loops to = Granulaterre.



Oh, almost = forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the VST Plug-in Pluggo = Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message informed me that "there were = 69 errors loading this effect". What a shame, Pluggo are so = nice!

I = am downloading the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I = will keep you informed.



Logelloop looks nice too. Screen grab: http://www.looproom.com/log= elloop.png


On 30 dec 2007, at 21.08, Philippe ollivier = wrote:

When you use a pitch, you need = time to calculate. So if only one track is pitched, it is not synced to = other tracks. So, I decided to insert a delay in the other tracks to = maintain the music synchronization. The problem is when you need to make = an overdub if (at least one track is pitched or streched). It is the = reason why i prefer to record my sound before playing with pitch and = strech...

That's why I love Speed!!!! ;-)) I'm not = so sure the problem with slow calculation of Pitch can ever be solved. = The best "Pitch Issue" I've seen (heard) is in the old Repeater. When I = sent a new tempo or pitch command to my Repeater it kind of caught up = slowly. That's much better compared to playing everything right on time = but with a crackling fidelity until the new order is stable, as some = software do. Pitch Transformation and Time Stretching can be instantly = carried out in software when applied to already recorded audio. Then the = software uses a look-ahead function to gain the time needed for = calculations, but those precious milliseconds just don't exist in live = music where audio is created and sent into the machinery by carbon based = musicians. So for live looping pitch sucks and speed = rocks.


I agree, i also prefer = speed...

= --Apple-Mail-6--401782297-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 10:25:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F1D393BEAF; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=haprRm1KaKJoH3c8rCsWTAL+Bfw5fEE7Na0QkaBuhOC7WICTrzz6Smd6rW36O2fff/ceUT9Eo6oGfFHUlPddvQv/mINE/ZrHRecUgsPfbUxS6q0U5k2siZ79BxDRhgBGrzmfrAKzdMxz/rfHx5Q13rYw6AfJhXAzUc2pL44/bLY=; X-YMail-OSG: 2ULx4VcVM1kGOtMISaWBzxyn3SHnENJgv6j5hUrJe.qbHQVp1p4KezCE4tiLMoPoLL5HPgY9goYCLxhl_uNy4.DJ4g-- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 02:25:03 -0800 (PST) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000701c84a4b$7706dc00$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <41565.42352.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:06 +0000 (UTC) guys and gals, why don´t we send this wish lists directly to the respective companies? Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > I also wish the DL4 had: > > 1. More delay time. > > 2. More looper time (like the Echo Pro. > > 3. A way of going into reverse whilst a loop is > playing without, on the first press going into half > speed. > > 4. A clip to hold the 9V lead in place. > > 5. A loop fade out option. > > 6. a global tap tempo, so that tapping tempo in one > programme means you can change programmes within a > piece without havingt to retap tempo in. > > 7. Mechanically quieter footswitches. > > 8. Tap tempo (probably external footswitch) for the > looper. > > Wishes are great aren't they! > Ian. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Mormelo > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR > LOOPER(S) > > > On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and > I wish the switches, both internal and external were > more robust. I replaced all switches connected to > the board and external metal swtiches on the unit. > > > On the RC50 I wish there was a dedicated guitar > and instrument OUT instead of only instrument In. > And the Mic out was an XLR. They way Roland did it > to my mine was not professional. > > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Rick and all, > On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay time > in the regular models at leasts as much as the > looper, > in lieu of that I wish it had variable feedback > on the looper, I love your 1/4 time switch idea. > More sound mangling > options! > > > On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has > 1- no expression pedal control > 2- no feedback on the looper > 3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, double > speed switchs > 5- except for some tricks talked about on this > list you can't go back and forth between ( i wish > all of the presets) > two or more presets, modifying them as you go. > 6- I wish that you could stop, start the > playback of a loop with the push of a button (no > stutters on this one) > > > That said the two of them together are a blast. > Good topic Rick! > > > Jeff > http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 AM > Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR > LOOPER(S) > > > > > I"m being approached continually by newbies > and asked > about my recommendations about what to buy > when getting > started with live looping. > > > I have my own personal favorites in different > price ranges (and I'm mostly > talking about hardware here, though do alert > people to how many options are > available through cool new software > solutions). > > > One thing I thought might be valuable as a > resource is to find out > what people DON'T like about their favorite > loopers and what, > in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers > would add to an > existing looping pedal (or software solution). > > > It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a > pedal when you are trying > figure out if you want to buy it or not. > > > I'll start off by listing one of my favorites > stomp box loopers: > The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal > (street price $250): > > > > > > > WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: > > > I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was > a true stereo pedal rather than > a sum to mono pedal that purports to be > stereo. > > > Additionally, I wish it had midi > synchronization. > > > I know that all units that do midi > synchronization cost a lot more, so > it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync > capability truly > add that much to a floor model live looping > device? > > > And one last wish: I think it would be cool > if it had a 1/4 time switch > as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops > (which would allow one to > do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times > as slow depending on > how one started recording (in 1/4 time > bandwidth or full time bandwidth) > > > I know that this would add so many artifacts > that the loop would sound > really weird and non-naturalistic: That's > why I wish it had such a feature > which seems not too difficult to program. > > > Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been > completley uninterested in > adding features for the sake of the looping > community. The live looping > community is just a small fraction of the > people who buy this > pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of > all the cool delay units of yesteryear). > > > Still, this is what I"d add. > > > What do you all think about your favorite > pedals limitations? > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 > / === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 11:07:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE12A3BEC7; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=5e9bsk0WteukepW9XRag3vypJYQiy/MletMtDl722X8=; b=uFUy4F5bmki3lwRxovea2EhwY5eXM2IZFHamngZPBdhkX1wjGTAD96Z65VWSpvvrcl8JyGPOTJhSTmPUkg6+t3XK1ESbe5KrPN/PfKRtalLjorMNUV3Iy89hLdqL3C0BFnpiN/oPttjM9lhS6JGF1cKvZguFG+tve3KJUv1Q0yM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sJmKPSn50YMu5eaX4lFiQ8BjboCHUJtRT3ccLOfoXDxCvS/i1KP71eYKPL0voAUI0wjZsinGqw1BHNJ8PkeDYmb7D8HX5jCnou4UsuZVUunQ0L07sOsnbepvmIAqPTCkF0tO0AHKvCn8kyMLe4JcVBRJqPQexXZYlM4g4oVEbG8= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712310307w3afe57edq288fb7ccff447b30@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:05 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: edp microkorg sync help In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28282_5833632.1199099225902" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28282_5833632.1199099225902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hasn't the MikroKorg a MIDI Input Filter? That would let you filter out external incoming MIDI Note data. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) On Dec 31, 2007 4:25 AM, phillip wilson wrote: > hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all. > > appologys for repost, didnt put a header > > heres a lil tricky one for you edp users. > > i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying > down some live beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from > the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nice and tight. > > sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in > time with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the > microkorg. > > the weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use > to control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the > microkorg. > > i kind of get that the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp > and this is being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you > get it so only the clock is being recieved and nothing else? > > i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramiters of the > microkorg from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so the > korg stays in time. > > anyone done the hard work on this already willing to save my heart yet > more stress in 2008. > > cheers in advance > > phill myonemanband > > > ------------------------------ > She said what? About who? Shameful celebrity quotes on Search Star! > ------=_Part_28282_5833632.1199099225902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hasn't the MikroKorg a MIDI Input Filter? That would let you filter out external incoming MIDI Note data. 

-- 
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)


On Dec 31, 2007 4:25 AM, phillip wilson < phillwilson@hotmail.com> wrote:
hi all. and a pre-emptive happy new year to you all.
 
appologys for repost, didnt put a header

heres a lil tricky one for you edp users.
 
i got myself a microkorg for xmas and i have been loking forward to laying down some live beats to the edp then having the microkorg recieve sync from the edp so the arps lock in to the beat nice and tight.
 
sadly so far, no joy, i can get the tempo light on the korg to flash in time with the midi on the edp set to out.s but no sound comes from the microkorg.
 
the weird bit is that each button push of the berhinger fcb1010 that i use to control the edp results in some form of sound being omitted from the microkorg.
 
i kind of get that the midi foot controller is sending notes to the edp and this is being relayed to the midi in of the microkorg, but how do you get it so only the clock is being recieved and nothing else?
 
i repeat, i have no interest in controlling any peramiters of the microkorg from the footpedal, i just want to send clock from the edp so the korg stays in time.
 
anyone done the hard work on this already willing to save my heart yet more stress in 2008.
 
cheers in advance
 
phill myonemanband

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------=_Part_28282_5833632.1199099225902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 11:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DDD83BECD; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Message-Id: <47dacd74b0109975c28fda2c04984447@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: rick williamson Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 05:14:52 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:11:28 +0000 (UTC) >> >> Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the VST=20= >> Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message informed=20= >> me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What a shame,=20 >> Pluggo are so nice! > I am=A0downloading=A0the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I = will=20 > keep you informed. > Per, Earlier versions of Max/Msp, those before 4.5.7, could not host plugins=20= created in Max/Msp. And Pluggos are created in that software as is Logelloop. If Logelloop was built in version 4.6.3 of Max/Msp then you'll need=20 Pluggo version 3.6.1. You might not be but, I'll bet your running an earlier version of=20 Pluggo. Rick Williamson= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 11:16:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D2E23BECD; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD0HQgURKP54trYDrOu From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Krispen's jazz album Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:17:05 +0100 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001201c84b9e$ad617360$6501a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <0ae201c84a6f$0f2d6e40$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: AchKbxHE4X+rfq8tSWyelfO95ciU4gBLys5A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:16:31 +0000 (UTC) > > Apparently, Kris, it's time for you to make that loop-less Jazz > > guitar record that Rainer envisions you recording in 2008, > ...just need to find a piano player. Any free jazz piano > players out there that might be interested in a virtual collaboration? > > Kris Virtual collaboration? For that project, I was thinking of two people getting together next to an acoustic piano, perhaps with the aid of a few glasses of whiskey or something... That aside, I have for years failed to actually get a seven-octave keyboard. But hey, the cheapest one by m-audio is only 200 bucks...;) A happy new year to you (and to you all!) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 11:39:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD49D3BED5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=rrq9gSnjdDcDJBUKTM/M6RClPA8tPp0yLLhDCwaOwlA=; b=n9HHml7ALQNJq/YHtJC1S6NajrrHLNDis1lNz+ubxka722MlqKIVo7XrtKzAEhKs/ht4stDC8fBGV2sBIEU9PGGttjSMJ75LnNQH3poYtN8JEZM3jkbbDNXWlcWrMZzQOr8cyDeDoMHmDqVsZeErBMXYfEs9bl/1DHQ4846u9N8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rWFYbxthiC6sNwauYl/mQHWZIRAHM5vmp7W7g0XpD17f+hSNQqcM0+Dn0niLUczOlmfbj5gFD4kZYhg5uFAYSWdt7U4mBBgi5+wfiAZmZlIrZOMtNrJZA+VAu4mwkaF6KGV199a+5l2f+DLGEaXpiVuHPFgf9jjg/3ebHNMXyQQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <47dacd74b0109975c28fda2c04984447@charter.net> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> <47dacd74b0109975c28fda2c04984447@charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <215EA9F1-BF45-41FB-89CC-DF34AB033412@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Pluggo (Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:39:22 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:39:29 +0000 (UTC) >>> Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the >>> VST Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message >>> informed me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What >>> a shame, Pluggo are so nice! >> I am downloading the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I >> will keep you informed. >> > On 31 dec 2007, at 12.14, rick williamson wrote: > Per, > > Earlier versions of Max/Msp, those before 4.5.7, could not host > plugins created in Max/Msp. > And Pluggos are created in that software as is Logelloop. > > If Logelloop was built in version 4.6.3 of Max/Msp then you'll need > Pluggo version 3.6.1. > You might not be but, I'll bet your running an earlier version of > Pluggo. > > Rick Williamson Thanks Rick. I just re-installed Pluggo and I remembered seeing "3.6.1" dancing across the screen. Still waiting for the challenge code response from Cycling74, but the plug-ins should work even in demo mode - you just have to stand that beep sound now and then. BTW, I saw Cycling74 will let you authorize Pluggo on an iLok. Has anyone a good experience with that? I'm asking because I have an iLok, that I mainly use for Pro Tools oriented products, but if it makes sense I guess I could put Pluggo on it as well. My spontaneous reaction was to stay with the computer hardware based authorization method just to not being forced to bring the iLok dongle when going out to do live looping concerts. I still don't know how the (non- iLok) challenge code/response code method handles a mac with Boot Camp Windows XP? Does it count as "two licenses" even though it is the same hardware? (I bet someone must have gone through this with Cycling74?) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 11:47:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 44B7F3BED9; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 366 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:47:13 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=An2qvXCJsnCVrO+Ib4vtZM3vqkto4HpDmjInO6Dvowc=; b=OO3cnxkrT2X32IUzfxE8Es9psQi6548gYe9N/8SFsDs6BY3wo7BiKsNKWlqrfOTcmKUpUVpAPvoJOuFGDCSwmzSXlXA3+dIgwE7zNbblXclwDGRgEF9xHBzh4qTmLGe3q70I3ceRp1bUtttyPx95sFEce7M1Ip6EsVGBhe9XOjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=n+c26mEdU0a2r7FS8QQFJr46vUMp2ngG0SRK85YmN5bbfCD36H8fHGSt9kTZ5wFBLNfsh5q4XJqlfFfvVUBNGBZz7LS3BusRsOf0H8w8Nq5GMVR54kypHaLUcxSTIs9WeOoPL6VCxOadTQwoAu6OHC2REwnAtIlCWA6/kRy40lM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) In-Reply-To: <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0ED075D4-27DB-4A2F-B0A8-C1C10C393065@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:41:02 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:47:14 +0000 (UTC) On 31 dec 2007, at 11.17, Philippe ollivier wrote: > I uploaded a new version of the manual on the logelloop site last > night : http://logelloop.logellou.com/Download.html > In this new version Mixed overdub in explained and also > Granulaterre and Delay. Very cool, Philippe! I never got the Granulaterre going yesterday, it looks awesome! ;-) I found the other Special Effects (SFX) are also very useful. With the Convo I recorded a quick track of fast hi hat- like sounds and then overdubbed a drone on track two to have the drone mangled "by sidechain" from track one. I guess you can assign an expression pedal to the Convolution Balance parameter to make it playable in concert performance? The SFX Delay is a also nice. Not only because it actually syncs to the music but also because its input signal is tapped "pre mute button" for the mixer tracks. So you can mute all tracks of the loop and hear only the delay return signal. Nice for a remix style break- down! (wish: I'd like a way to feed back the SFX output and the Aux fx1 + fx2 into the Input, to overdub it into the loop. That's the classic dub trick and it would provide awesome sound mangling options. If you keep the monitor signal path out of this the risk for new users to overload their soundcards with uncontrolled audio feedback is minimized). Greetings from Sweden ...and a happy new year to every one! (gosh, almost forgot about that!!!) Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 12:19:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AD313BED0; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <0ED075D4-27DB-4A2F-B0A8-C1C10C393065@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5 Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:19:05 +0100 References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> <0ED075D4-27DB-4A2F-B0A8-C1C10C393065@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:19:10 +0000 (UTC) Le 31 d=E9c. 07 =E0 12:41, Per Boysen a =E9crit : > On 31 dec 2007, at 11.17, Philippe ollivier wrote: > >> I uploaded a new version of the manual on the logelloop site last =20 >> night : http://logelloop.logellou.com/Download.html >> In this new version Mixed overdub in explained and also =20 >> Granulaterre and Delay. > > > Very cool, Philippe! I never got the Granulaterre going yesterday, =20 > it looks awesome! ;-) I found the other Special Effects (SFX) are =20= > also very useful. With the Convo I recorded a quick track of fast hi =20= > hat-like sounds and then overdubbed a drone on track two to have the =20= > drone mangled "by sidechain" from track one. I guess you can assign =20= > an expression pedal to the Convolution Balance parameter to make it =20= > playable in concert performance? Yes, i think would not be too complex to implement. I put it on the TO =20= DO list. > > > The SFX Delay is a also nice. Not only because it actually syncs to =20= > the music but also because its input signal is tapped "pre mute =20 > button" for the mixer tracks. So you can mute all tracks of the loop =20= > and hear only the delay return signal. Nice for a remix style break-=20= > down! (wish: I'd like a way to feed back the SFX output and the Aux =20= > fx1 + fx2 into the Input, to overdub it into the loop. That's the =20 > classic dub trick and it would provide awesome sound mangling =20 > options. If you keep the monitor signal path out of this the risk =20 > for new users to overload their soundcards with uncontrolled audio =20 > feedback is minimized). I also put this on the To Do list... Just to say, I am preparing a quad delay as sfx... > > > Greetings from Sweden ...and a happy new year to every one! (gosh, =20= > almost forgot about that!!!) > Yes Happy new year to you too and everybody on the list. Philippe.= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 12:55:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A401D3BED8; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <4778E69F.5060407@addcom.de> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:54:55 +0100 From: Stefan Tiedje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 5 Things I'd like to see in 2008 References: <000601c83fd4$65aa5ee0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000601c83fd4$65aa5ee0$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill schrieb: > * the perfect audio interface: halfrack, USB2, bus-powered plus dedicated > power supply (it's well ok if the micpres don't work if it's bus-powered), 4 > mic inputs (hybrid solidstate/tube pre), at least 8 analogue ins and 8 > analogue outs plus headphone outs, TOSLINK, SPDIF (opt/coax), 2xMIDI I/O, > software-controlled gain stages for (mic) ins and outs, for the input HP and > limiter, four SW channelstrips and a stereo ('prolly surround) finalizer, > standalone operation (fully MIDI-controllable) and bluetooth (see above). For me it exists already, though can't afford it, the RME FW 400, it has almost all of the above (only two mic pre's) but Firewire instead of USB and that is a BIG advantage and not a drawback. If I need more mics, I fly in my little cute peavey mixer... > * the perfect musicians' computer: I'd like something like that apple > thingie (imac?), but more powerful (e.g. graphics adapter supporting > external monitor), intel-world oriented and in a roadworthy package. This exist as well, the Macbook pro's fit perfectly, (though can't afford it...) 1. I'd like to see enough cash to afford a new Macbook, 2. will certainly happen and is called Max 5. To fill up to five I need 3. more time (to create music), 4. more time (to push forward my instrument) and 5. more time (being able to participate on this list as well...) Stefan -- Stefan Tiedje------------x------- --_____-----------|-------------- --(_|_ ----|\-----|-----()------- -- _|_)----|-----()-------------- ----------()--------www.ccmix.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 13:46:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 449343BEC5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c84bb3$7e0fc110$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <41565.42352.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:46:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:46:02 +0000 (UTC) Yes, good idea - it at least then means that we take responsibility for communicating it rather than complaining about what "might have been". ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPER(S) guys and gals, why don´t we send this wish lists directly to the respective companies? Luis --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > Hi, > > I also wish the DL4 had: > > 1. More delay time. > > 2. More looper time (like the Echo Pro. > > 3. A way of going into reverse whilst a loop is > playing without, on the first press going into half > speed. > > 4. A clip to hold the 9V lead in place. > > 5. A loop fade out option. > > 6. a global tap tempo, so that tapping tempo in one > programme means you can change programmes within a > piece without havingt to retap tempo in. > > 7. Mechanically quieter footswitches. > > 8. Tap tempo (probably external footswitch) for the > looper. > > Wishes are great aren't they! > Ian. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sean Mormelo > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 6:15 PM > Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR > LOOPER(S) > > > On my DL4 I wish there was more time available and > I wish the switches, both internal and external were > more robust. I replaced all switches connected to > the board and external metal swtiches on the unit. > > > On the RC50 I wish there was a dedicated guitar > and instrument OUT instead of only instrument In. > And the Mic out was an XLR. They way Roland did it > to my mine was not professional. > > > > > On Dec 29, 2007, at 4:32 AM, Jeff Duke wrote: > > > Rick and all, > On the DL-4 I wish that it had more delay time > in the regular models at leasts as much as the > looper, > in lieu of that I wish it had variable feedback > on the looper, I love your 1/4 time switch idea. > More sound mangling > options! > > > On the Boss DD-20 I don't like that it has > 1- no expression pedal control > 2- no feedback on the looper > 3,4- no forward, reverse, half speed, double > speed switchs > 5- except for some tricks talked about on this > list you can't go back and forth between ( i wish > all of the presets) > two or more presets, modifying them as you go. > 6- I wish that you could stop, start the > playback of a loop with the push of a button (no > stutters on this one) > > > That said the two of them together are a blast. > Good topic Rick! > > > Jeff > http://www.thisphase.org/lips.html > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" > > To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 1:53 AM > Subject: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR > LOOPER(S) > > > > > I"m being approached continually by newbies > and asked > about my recommendations about what to buy > when getting > started with live looping. > > > I have my own personal favorites in different > price ranges (and I'm mostly > talking about hardware here, though do alert > people to how many options are > available through cool new software > solutions). > > > One thing I thought might be valuable as a > resource is to find out > what people DON'T like about their favorite > loopers and what, > in a perfect world, the loop manufacturers > would add to an > existing looping pedal (or software solution). > > > It's nice to know what the drawbacks are in a > pedal when you are trying > figure out if you want to buy it or not. > > > I'll start off by listing one of my favorites > stomp box loopers: > The Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeller/Looping pedal > (street price $250): > > > > > > > WHAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT THE LINE 6 DL-4: > > > I love this pedal but wish to hell that it was > a true stereo pedal rather than > a sum to mono pedal that purports to be > stereo. > > > Additionally, I wish it had midi > synchronization. > > > I know that all units that do midi > synchronization cost a lot more, so > it makes me wonder. Does adding midi sync > capability truly > add that much to a floor model live looping > device? > > > And one last wish: I think it would be cool > if it had a 1/4 time switch > as well as a 1/4 time switch for the loops > (which would allow one to > do things that are 4 times as fast or 4 times > as slow depending on > how one started recording (in 1/4 time > bandwidth or full time bandwidth) > > > I know that this would add so many artifacts > that the loop would sound > really weird and non-naturalistic: That's > why I wish it had such a feature > which seems not too difficult to program. > > > Now the Line 6 people have, in the past, been > completley uninterested in > adding features for the sake of the looping > community. The live looping > community is just a small fraction of the > people who buy this > pedal (mostly for it's digital modellings of > all the cool delay units of yesteryear). > > > Still, this is what I"d add. > > > What do you all think about your favorite > pedals limitations? > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 > / === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 14:35:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 859FE3BED0; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=au7IjALLGC/PE9czytQARHofwdpqt5ldL2NKJYbclJA=; b=e9L1G892FiTBiZJFSrEOl62CARgH+EQhBvyrTjHlYdWxXYNljWadNGukF4XGeqCVx/TGAM4y3ua1uhwgCw8tcQVqveLaYvt9iziqvdQC7UQJPuEyipW7WMzydAEoahQo/NA9NftkOcRCAlFQR6ISVnbK6rsRYceNfL0qYVop9tc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=xarIEjz0SITLtwNvHfJ4eDK8Fg+ie9KwRz+ZXpbWeZBlP8O5j5P3yeP3rBiTpR0H9BdjD9SSHMaIdgPUetELQ8mtAKESbPbktl5fxC+Am82Rzmg7d8XMF+QeXr6Zait9nor/JzJgQaoUcD/3UrrCt0EVDpG0jFYr3vKTjvKUC2k= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0712310635j436dd9b4hf05425be6099ecf3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:35:31 +0100 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Feedback when overdubbing in Mix Mode (was: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.58) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28768_1695482.1199111731231" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:35:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28768_1695482.1199111731231 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > On 31 dec 2007, at 11.17, Philippe ollivier wrote: > > > I uploaded a new version of the manual on the logelloop site last > > night : http://logelloop.logellou.com/Download.html > > In this new version Mixed overdub in explained and also > > Granulaterre and Delay. > I'm overdubbing in Mix Mode here but the feedback setting, according to the new manual, is not affecting what I hear. Is there something more one should know? BTW, I can't get any sound out of Granulaterre either. -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) ------=_Part_28768_1695482.1199111731231 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
On 31 dec 2007, at 11.17, Philippe ollivier wrote:

> I uploaded a new version of the manual on the logelloop site last
> night : http://logelloop.logellou.com/Download.html
> In this new version Mixed overdub in explained and also
> Granulaterre and Delay.


I'm overdubbing in Mix Mode here but the feedback setting, according to the new manual, is not affecting what I hear. Is there something more one should know?

BTW, I can't get any sound out of Granulaterre either. 
 
--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
------=_Part_28768_1695482.1199111731231-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 14:49:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC7343BEC1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:49:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <4A3C8B99-46C3-4AE2-A436-CC76A810D4DC@logellou.com> From: Philippe ollivier To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <66f9cc1e0712310635j436dd9b4hf05425be6099ecf3@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Subject: Re: Feedback when overdubbing in Mix Mode (was: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.58) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:49:35 +0100 References: <66f9cc1e0712310635j436dd9b4hf05425be6099ecf3@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:49:38 +0000 (UTC) > > > I'm overdubbing in Mix Mode here but the feedback setting, according > to the new manual, is not affecting what I hear. Is there something > more one should know? Yes, if you change, you have to stop Overdub, reclick MIx Mode to become Normal and then Mix Mode again and the new feedback percentage is taken. It is not the right way. I will change this in Logelloop 1.1 in order to be able to change the feedback level on the fly. Sorry for the mess. > > BTW, I can't get any sound out of Granulaterre either. Don't forget to turn it ON and be sure Logelloop is alson On. Then, record a sample, and make your grid. Here it works as expected. PHilippe. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 17:41:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10DA63BEC2; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2S+S4vliO2oeoAMNMJKyiLJhPCX36j5Gtgg9L86nlaI=; b=t7QuwZkTVMsnuHjstUj1CRATsN2WVt1QLyRjXs6H7lgh2Qloi1ClzyMpm9RPTRdYS5CMgAoAKjflAOjQ1PylW15b5DBUmFMgJ8/+ywizJWe6SWYjnAzXu5zCa5iY10XmrWosut/d9vyZSsjDnjN2IBmyEY4ZSCz4nCKixegs+BI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a8v4abRQqb+yl7BKEl+Uk/jRICkQwClLwCOEUf1NablLDRFBWa4VtKnuFlNVUM3FlyavJzgIjPqGMP7SMxaX4RMcfkk01ZLwEPltN+V4oI59anaWRNaZ2/4Koie6t+n3ISMPELgqPCEr5+c49coWUZoklJO8a5hJbV6lMA5tHI0= Message-ID: <4759e5740712310941g17264cd9p88dd598db01046d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:41:39 -0500 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Pluggo (Re: Logelloop multitrack realtime audio looper for MAC OS 10.4 and 10.5) In-Reply-To: <215EA9F1-BF45-41FB-89CC-DF34AB033412@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_25751_3013542.1199122899099" References: <6012193B-50F5-43B9-9ADF-50FCC0404BD7@logellou.com> <5C616381-CE30-4403-BB2A-8488BE4985BB@gmail.com> <63392269-B1DF-4CC4-867B-36A361AC2C65@logellou.com> <47dacd74b0109975c28fda2c04984447@charter.net> <215EA9F1-BF45-41FB-89CC-DF34AB033412@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:41:41 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_25751_3013542.1199122899099 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can vouch for two things, Per. First, that cycling74 folks are very good with challenge/response stuff. If you're using two partitions on one machine and then need a second response for another separate machine and explain the situation, they are very flexible. it will indeed be completely two licenses. Folks at this company are among the most 'musician-oriented' of any company, and I can't say enough about every one of them, even up to Zicarelli himself. Top Down they're great for customer service and support, even from a "we'd like to figure this out for ourselves" sort of vantage point. As far as Ilok goes, I prefer just to license machines, but I have run into situations where i wished I'd had it on an iLok so I could use Max or Pluggo on someone ELSE'S machine, if only for a moment. Best to you. Todd On 12/31/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > >>> Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the > >>> VST Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message > >>> informed me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What > >>> a shame, Pluggo are so nice! > >> I am downloading the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I > >> will keep you informed. > >> > > > > On 31 dec 2007, at 12.14, rick williamson wrote: > > > Per, > > > > Earlier versions of Max/Msp, those before 4.5.7, could not host > > plugins created in Max/Msp. > > And Pluggos are created in that software as is Logelloop. > > > > If Logelloop was built in version 4.6.3 of Max/Msp then you'll need > > Pluggo version 3.6.1. > > You might not be but, I'll bet your running an earlier version of > > Pluggo. > > > > Rick Williamson > > > Thanks Rick. I just re-installed Pluggo and I remembered seeing > "3.6.1" dancing across the screen. Still waiting for the challenge > code response from Cycling74, but the plug-ins should work even in > demo mode - you just have to stand that beep sound now and then. > > BTW, I saw Cycling74 will let you authorize Pluggo on an iLok. Has > anyone a good experience with that? I'm asking because I have an > iLok, that I mainly use for Pro Tools oriented products, but if it > makes sense I guess I could put Pluggo on it as well. My spontaneous > reaction was to stay with the computer hardware based authorization > method just to not being forced to bring the iLok dongle when going > out to do live looping concerts. I still don't know how the (non- > iLok) challenge code/response code method handles a mac with Boot > Camp Windows XP? Does it count as "two licenses" even though it is > the same hardware? (I bet someone must have gone through this with > Cycling74?) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_25751_3013542.1199122899099 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I can vouch for two things, Per.  First, that cycling74 folks are very good with challenge/response stuff.  If you're using two partitions on one machine and then need a second response for another separate machine and explain the situation, they are very flexible.  it will indeed be completely two licenses.  Folks at this company are among the most 'musician-oriented' of any company, and I can't say enough about every one of them, even up to Zicarelli himself.  Top Down they're great for customer service and support, even from a "we'd like to figure this out for ourselves" sort of vantage point.

As far as Ilok goes, I prefer just to license machines, but I have run into situations where i wished I'd had it on an iLok so I could use Max or Pluggo on someone ELSE'S machine, if only for a moment.

Best to you. 

Todd

On 12/31/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Oh, almost forgot one big question mark. When trying to load the
>>> VST Plug-in Pluggo Rye, from Cycling74, a pluggo error message
>>> informed me that "there were 69 errors loading this effect". What
>>> a shame, Pluggo are so nice!
>> I am downloading the demo version of Pluggo and I look at it. I
>> will keep you informed.
>>
>

On 31 dec 2007, at 12.14, rick williamson wrote:

> Per,
>
> Earlier versions of Max/Msp, those before 4.5.7, could not host
> plugins created in Max/Msp.
> And Pluggos are created in that software as is Logelloop.
>
> If Logelloop was built in version 4.6.3 of Max/Msp then you'll need
> Pluggo version 3.6.1.
> You might not be but, I'll bet your running an earlier version of
> Pluggo.
>
> Rick Williamson


Thanks Rick. I just re-installed Pluggo and I remembered seeing
"3.6.1" dancing across the screen. Still waiting for the challenge
code response from Cycling74, but the plug-ins should work even in
demo mode - you just have to stand that beep sound now and then.

BTW, I saw Cycling74 will let you authorize Pluggo on an iLok. Has
anyone a good experience with that? I'm asking because I have an
iLok, that I mainly use for Pro Tools oriented products, but if it
makes sense I guess I could put Pluggo on it as well. My spontaneous
reaction was to stay with the computer hardware based authorization
method just to not being forced to bring the iLok dongle when going
out to do live looping concerts. I still don't know how the (non-
iLok) challenge code/response code method handles a mac with Boot
Camp Windows XP? Does it count as "two licenses" even though it is
the same hardware? (I bet someone must have gone through this with
Cycling74?)

Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)






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------=_Part_25751_3013542.1199122899099-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 17:44:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 147DC3BEC1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:44:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:44:32 EST Subject: happy new year!!!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d52.1f74821c.34aa8480_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:44:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d52.1f74821c.34aa8480_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hey all.....ynz have a wonderful and blessed new year!.....i have a sneaky feeling that it may be wild and wacky.....perhaps not the year to quit smoking.....if i stop watching the news i will be way better off and the only way this will happen is if everyone quits fooling around and moves to pittsburgh.....i already told fabio and giuseppe, my italian smoking buddies, that the pope is moving here.....so there ya have it!.....:).....BEST to all!.....michael p.s. my big new year's wish is to get 2007's CT-ACCUSTIC PROJECT done.....i've been working my somewhat shapely buns off on this and HATE everything i've done.....stano, GOD BLESS his wonderful heart, sent me a VORTEX a few months ago and i haven't even plugged it in, i'm drooling just waiting to get this silly accustic stuff done and start my ANDY BUTTLER cover band.....:).....I NEED WIRES AND KNOBS, BLINKING LITES....."i'm a crazy looper jim not a damn folksinger".....:) "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --part1_d52.1f74821c.34aa8480_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hey all.....ynz have a wonderful and bl= essed new year!.....i have a sneaky feeling that it may be wild and wacky...= ..perhaps not the year to quit smoking.....if i stop watching the news i wil= l be way better off and the only way this will happen is if everyone quits f= ooling around and moves to pittsburgh.....i already told fabio and giuseppe,= my italian smoking buddies, that the pope is moving here.....so there ya ha= ve it!.....:).....BEST to all!.....michael
p.s. my big new year's wish is to get 2007's CT-ACCUSTIC PROJECT done.....i'= ve been working my somewhat shapely buns off on this and HATE everything i'v= e done.....stano, GOD BLESS his wonderful heart, sent me a VORTEX a few mont= hs ago and i haven't even plugged it in, i'm drooling just waiting to get th= is silly accustic stuff done and start my ANDY BUTTLER cover band.....:)....= .I NEED WIRES AND KNOBS, BLINKING LITES....."i'm a crazy looper jim not a da= mn folksinger".....:)

"If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON

new groovy tunes at:
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10
www.ct-collective.com





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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_d52.1f74821c.34aa8480_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:06:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51EE93BEB9; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=B/85dCeNXOTAYtwAliGWQb3oT6xFXkQQlzxC+awJT/E=; b=QceHNFvPeODohanotmMDqSAkIB4pLOsnuHX+utREDCBLg/jiRQ+tWDfsOstwQQBs8gxg5es2vurMrbEN9j9VC01IKwEmR5yjXCrKKqstfPocbOFUJgWLgIIYB3a24u4Zaq8L2I10H2GrVxXhqFgj6FSf3ks7ycpx6xyQls5eh/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tP8Y5zvaVDOxjM5W3B9J7rVjCT4eAVjmN5jUbyvPyaZfzIKqglMuxG7MCPColXSdZrqi53jAe2xuU8TcHvRKouM7YjOPgb65rEfPLpUQdXs8JYFd+bRBLcZq7st0YgLR+ENeLppyGdYyqKPNgtbVFYGoNv56yUYrNTJAqbjV0Do= Message-ID: <3fa302e30712311106q54815274gc040eba4c7ab04de@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:06:22 -0500 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WHAT DON'T YOU LIKE ABOUT YOUR LOOPERS In-Reply-To: <6057D26B-90DA-456D-8A69-AF86CCFF35F7@baymoon.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19579_7250217.1199127982960" References: <828986.84166.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <006b01c84b37$9e41dc60$6c052052@customer3530f5> <6057D26B-90DA-456D-8A69-AF86CCFF35F7@baymoon.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:06:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19579_7250217.1199127982960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yep: Input mute stops feeding the delay and what's in there continues. Output mute: Mutes everything. > Maybe I misread what Input Mute (IMUT) mode does. It says that it cuts off the input to the effect. If that keeps the portion of the signal that's passing through, I'm potentially much happier. I guessI better go try that. Maybe I maligned Line6 on this account. -- Miko Biffle Biffoz@Gmail.com MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_19579_7250217.1199127982960 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Yep: Input mute stops feeding the delay and what's in there continues. Output mute: Mutes everything.

> Maybe I misread what Input Mute (IMUT) mode does. It says that it cuts off the input to the effect. If that keeps the portion of the signal that's passing through, I'm potentially much happier. I guessI better go try that. Maybe I maligned Line6 on this account.

--
Miko Biffle
Biffoz@Gmail.com
MBiffle@FoxRacingShox.com
"Running scared from all the usual distractions!" ------=_Part_19579_7250217.1199127982960-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:31:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DAFE3BEC5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 433 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:31:17 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MOBK83LA1GmXw/sJZ87b5WYzWHuFTC251QqUECxkG2s=; b=U8E+7kByipQYguLMxjsROwasfdp/NWH9EwE9hMYLOB8jlZ9+WwA8Hvn1pAmk1+JBa18fkNU/n//G9GCuOMrg6jrz1GdK/3n9giWOIMroo2pdRJk8mlPdsVxmMhb+4Oee0wbCnCy0J1tnSAii5QFPDU66LdWNWlqPZCDAZUzYxmk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=GPh4Oz2ZmfkQeAyt5oVIg+hM6B4+QD1XjdHONCIp2ZIPR2IONoL+26zBgdi4CFdzsJT3UPT8gDlEP8NY+AzZpztVuF/ucp4Qmp6isa/nfd8E4TyHKzVkhJSkx0Kstr4iLVKbZ3BlATFmwnsQHkPxR3i07Tr3+4n0fxureG2xe+I= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:24:03 -0800 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: need electrix power supply In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Finally found the answer to this question. (Thanks for the attempts at help everyone.) This is just an answer for anybody doing a google search: Guitartrader.com has the power supply for the Filterqueen in stock. On Nov 24, 2007 4:56 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > I just ebayed a new toy for the drum machine - an electrix filter > queen. It does not come with a power supply though. Does anybody know > where I can buy one? > > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 19:53:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A8F63BEC1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00fb01c84be6$c1623820$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: Subject: Re: happy new year!!!!! Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:53:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C84BEF.22FBBF90" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:53:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C84BEF.22FBBF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy new year to you all, people ! Hope 2008 could bring new feelings, new music, new ideas... May you all get what you're looking for.... Love, peace and music Fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C84BEF.22FBBF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy=20 new year to you all, people !
Hope 2008 could bring = new feelings,=20 new music, new ideas...
May you all get what = you're looking=20 for....
Love, peace and = music
 
Fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 ------=_NextPart_000_00F8_01C84BEF.22FBBF90-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 22:01:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F6203BEC5; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <178d01c84bf8$ad7815c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New CD Release: Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian - Mojo at the Dojo Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:01:20 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29969-1199138482-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:01:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29969-1199138482-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29969-1199138482-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29969-1199138482-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I'm excited to announce the availability of a new CD, "Mojo at the = Dojo", of me and Ted Killian. It was recorded live at a performance here = in Boise, Idaho, sponsored by the Boise Experimental Music Festival. = Info and website below. We hope you enjoy it! :) TITLE: Mojo at the Dojo ARTISTS: Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian WEBSITE: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mojo/index.htm (includes free MP3 = downloads and link to buy the physical CD with Ted's great artwork) BUY: http://Kunaki.com/Sales.asp?PID=3DPX00UCOVYL DESCRIPTION Despite the fact that the title of this project was cleverly selected = out of consideration of the performance venue (i.e., an Aikido dojo) = rather than actual programmatic musical intent, the adroitly improvised = live music on this work nevertheless does conjure a fair share of the = psychological drama (if not the physical) of an old Kurosawa samurai = movie duel between master swordsmen. The two musical protagonists, Krispen Hartung (on nylon-string guitar = and laptop) and Ted Killian (on electric guitar synth and live loops), = parry and weave - often as though in extreme slow motion - through the = course of three tracks (totaling slightly over the fifty-minute mark) = with a rare, almost perfectly matched skill and simpatico. The textures that Hartung and Killian produce are often seismic and dark = (you will definitely want to have your subwoofer turned on to hear all = the tectonic lows). However, many of the surface gestures are frequently = delicate, smallish and subtle, with bright flashes that skitter by so = quickly that you might miss them entirely if you are not attentive. Moreover, this work is not background music for casual listening or = mult-tasking. On the contrary, it requires a rigorously disciplined = attention span to discern and appreciate its nuances and worth. However = rare this might be, it is also rare for such formally "free" music to = inhabit such an emotionally and psychologically rich reality - = particularly in the field of "electronic" music. While obvious moments of traditional guitarist "flash" may be fewer and = further between within this work, the sense of an unrelenting, volcanic, = smoldering heat and intense musical strategic mind-game is everywhere = evident.=20 Note: This work was recorded live on August 26, 2006 at 3 Shapes Aikido = dojo, Boise, Idaho. These performances were part of the show, "Mojo at = the Dojo: Experiments of Sound", also part of an ongoing series of = showcase performances sponsored by the owner of the dojo, AlejAndro = Anastasio, and the Boise Experimental Music Festival.=20 Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-29969-1199138482-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,
 
I'm excited to announce the availability of a = new CD,=20 "Mojo at the Dojo", of me and Ted Killian. It was recorded live at a = performance=20 here in Boise, Idaho, sponsored by the Boise Experimental Music = Festival. Info=20 and website below.  We hope you enjoy it! :)
 
TITLE: Mojo at the = Dojo
ARTISTS: Krispen Hartung & = Ted=20 Killian
WEBSITE: http://www.krispenhartung.com/mojo/index.htm (includes free MP3 downloads and link to buy the = physical CD with=20 Ted's great artwork)
BUY: http://Kunaki.com/S= ales.asp?PID=3DPX00UCOVYL
 
DESCRIPTION
 
Despite the fact that the title of this project = was cleverly=20 selected out of consideration of the performance venue (i.e., an Aikido = dojo)=20 rather than actual programmatic musical intent, the adroitly improvised = live=20 music on this work nevertheless does conjure a fair share of the = psychological=20 drama (if not the physical) of an old Kurosawa samurai movie duel = between master=20 swordsmen.

The two musical protagonists, Krispen Hartung = (on=20 nylon-string guitar and laptop) and Ted Killian (on electric guitar = synth and=20 live loops), parry and weave - often as though in extreme slow motion - = through=20 the course of three tracks (totaling slightly over the fifty-minute = mark) with a=20 rare, almost perfectly matched skill and simpatico.
The textures that = Hartung=20 and Killian produce are often seismic and dark (you will definitely want = to have=20 your subwoofer turned on to hear all the tectonic lows). However, many = of the=20 surface gestures are frequently delicate, smallish and subtle, with = bright=20 flashes that skitter by so quickly that you might miss them entirely if = you are=20 not attentive.
Moreover, this work is not background music for casual = listening or mult-tasking. On the contrary, it requires a rigorously = disciplined=20 attention span to discern and appreciate its nuances and worth. However = rare=20 this might be, it is also rare for such formally "free" music to inhabit = such an=20 emotionally and psychologically rich reality - particularly in the field = of=20 "electronic" music.

While obvious moments of traditional guitarist = "flash"=20 may be fewer and further between within this work, the sense of an = unrelenting,=20 volcanic, smoldering heat and intense musical strategic mind-game is = everywhere=20 evident.
 
Note: This work was recorded live on August 26, = 2006 at 3=20 Shapes Aikido dojo, Boise, Idaho. These performances were part of the = show,=20 "Mojo at the Dojo: Experiments of Sound", also part of an ongoing series = of=20 showcase performances sponsored by the owner of the dojo, AlejAndro = Anastasio,=20 and the Boise Experimental Music Festival.
 

Krispen = Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:52:47 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cce.22423320.34aaccb8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....i'm so there and i promise not to reflect on the past year while listening.....:).....good clean fun on a new year's eve.....yipee.....michael "If this is "reality" I vote against it.".....HUNTER S. THOMPSON new groovy tunes at: http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar10 www.ct-collective.com ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --part1_cce.22423320.34aaccb8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow.....i'm so there and i promise not=20= to reflect on the past year while listening.....:).....good clean fun on a n= ew year's eve.....yipee.....michael



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See AOL's to= p rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=3Daoltop00030000= 000004) --part1_cce.22423320.34aaccb8_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 22:57:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 36A533BEC1; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:57:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-13552-1199141831-0001-2" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:57:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-13552-1199141831-0001-2 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-13552-1199141831-0001-3" This is a MIME-formatted message. If you see this text it means that your E-mail software does not support MIME-formatted messages. --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-13552-1199141831-0001-3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the = following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo = with a sub, right? Kris Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com --=_MAILPROV.cableone.net-13552-1199141831-0001-3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm going to buy a powered sub very = soon. I=20 narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? = I don't=20 need to go stereo with a sub, right?

Kris
 

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - = $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen = Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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All I have to say is: EV SBA760 =3D 94.7 Lbs Mackie SWA1501 =3D 88 Lbs JBL PRX518S =3D 79 Lbs. My back hurts just thinking about any of them (LOL). Boy, it would be wonderful to be young again. Good luck! Cheers, Ted On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the=20= > following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go=20 > stereo with a sub, right? > > > Kris > =A0 > > Powered Sub > > ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 > http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html > > OR > > Mackie SWA1501 - $980 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 > > OR > > JBL PRX518S - $1000 > http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ > > Krispen Hartung > http://www.krispenhartung.com > info@krispenhartung.com > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0 > > =A0= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 23:39:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC9113BEAF; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:39:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ZXho6WInHsgnY1JbJQx/aR4J0plaUWBGmKhwVxogn9r+eE+1CaqNQ3aofW9wzS25; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; In-Reply-To: <178d01c84bf8$ad7815c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <178d01c84bf8$ad7815c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--353635912 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: New CD Release: Krispen Hartung & Ted Killian - Mojo at the Dojo Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:39:39 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec7969de126d0658ec71dc96b8ccbd79ed11350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.48.174 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:39:42 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--353635912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Diggin=92 it right now! Thanks! HNY, dc On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm excited to announce the availability of a new CD, "Mojo at the =20 > Dojo", of me and Ted Killian. --Apple-Mail-1--353635912 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Diggin=92 it right now! = Thanks!
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= --Apple-Mail-1--353635912-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Dec 31 23:46:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 882E03BEAF; Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:46:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <17e401c84c00$79b67210$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Powered Subs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:44:40 -0800 Message-ID: <004501c84c07$1e09cd20$5a1d6760$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C84BC4.0FE68D20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AchMALy4ClFJ/FmfR/+HkXnvuxEKDgABiUSg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7fc21958000073bf.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/77655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:46:46 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C84BC4.0FE68D20 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0047_01C84BC4.0FE68D20" ------=_NextPart_001_0047_01C84BC4.0FE68D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Correct, you don't need to go stereo since the 'separation' at the sub 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant. However, systems with a sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective. - but probably net out to be more expensive. Happy new year! -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Powered Subs I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a sub, right? Kris Powered Sub ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100 http://www.wirelesshut.com/0/10413983.html OR Mackie SWA1501 - $980 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SWA1501 OR JBL PRX518S - $1000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/PRX518S/ Krispen Hartung http://www.krispenhartung.com info@krispenhartung.com ------=_NextPart_001_0047_01C84BC4.0FE68D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Correct,  you don’t need to go stereo since = the ‘separation’ at the sub 100hz frequencies is minimal or non-existant.  However, = systems with a sub for each main channel can be smaller and very effective.  = – but probably net out to be more expensive.

 

Happy new year!

-Qua

 

From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 2:57 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: OT: Powered Subs

 

I'm going to buy a powered sub very soon. I narroweed it down to the = following (below). Any experiences with these? I don't need to go stereo with a = sub, right?


Kris

 

Powered Sub

ElectroVoice SBA760 Powered Sub - $1100
http://www.wirelesshu= t.com/0/10413983.html

OR

Mackie SWA1501 - $980
http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SWA1501

OR

JBL = PRX518S - $1000
http://www.sweet= water.com/store/detail/PRX518S/

Krispen Hartung
http://www.krispenhartung.com
info@krispenhartung.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

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