From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 00:10:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6210B3BFAA; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.124] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070831174456.309553BFDE@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT fretless epoxy Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:10:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2007 00:10:27.0443 (UTC) FILETIME=[800D7430:01C7EC2C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 00:10:32 +0000 (UTC) good point about roundwound strings,I use flatwound thomastiks and prefer ebony fingerboard. Don't know that it effects guitars as much,roundwound guitar strings are drastically less course than bass strings,and less likely to get hammered against the neck funkthumb style. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 02:35:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D383BFF2; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0fe601c7ec40$c40b1070$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:35:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0FE3_01C7EC0E.78852F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 02:35:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0FE3_01C7EC0E.78852F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So the mac OS uses no RAM? (steal, or whatever). This is surprising. = Does it just use the hard drive as memory for running system processes, = etc?=20 The article says: "There is a 2GB limit, however -- 2GB per process. So = any single application (again, barring something like Intel's PAE = extensions) is limited to 2GB." So this isn't a bad thing necessarily ("per app" being the key phrase), = especially if I am running my audio app (e.g, max/msp) + a separate = software app that controls my audio interface (mixer DSP, etc), or = perhaps a looping app as a standalone app, plus my audio interface = software, and any other supporiting apps. What performance orientated = audio app is going to use more than 2GB of RAM? Man, that would be = crazy, eh?=20 I think everythig is going to be all cool with a macbook pro and 4GB of = RAM. Until someone says that it is absolutely conclusive that 4GB will = no no good whatsoever when running my monster sofware performance = system, I have no issues with paying the extra for that 2GB of RAM.=20 Kris Here is the most succinct post I can find on the subject. I was a = little mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, but at = least with PC architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be assigned = to system level devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with = less than 4GB. In addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each = without PAE (which is a bad idea for an audio machine).=20 = http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/addressable-memory-in-32-bit-o= perating.html On a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE = NEW Santa Rosa platform. It is definitely a well-documented problem = with all other Mac/Intel platforms. The new "36-bit" chip allows access = to 4GB, and presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really = use it all because it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it). = In addition, 32-bit Mac apps can still only access 2GB each.=20 Hope that helps. Doug ------=_NextPart_000_0FE3_01C7EC0E.78852F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So the mac OS uses no RAM? (steal, = or=20 whatever).  This is surprising. Does it just use the hard drive as = memory=20 for running system processes, etc?
 
The article says: "There is a 2GB = limit,=20 however -- 2GB per process. So any single application (again, barring = something=20 like Intel's PAE extensions) is limited to 2GB."
 
So this isn't a bad thing necessarily = ("per app"=20 being the key phrase), especially if I am running my audio app (e.g,=20 max/msp) + a separate software app that controls my audio interface = (mixer=20 DSP, etc), or perhaps a looping app as a standalone app, plus = my audio=20 interface software, and any other supporiting apps.  What = performance=20 orientated audio app is going to use more than 2GB of RAM? Man, that = would be=20 crazy, eh?
 
I think everythig is going to be all = cool with a=20 macbook pro and 4GB of RAM. Until someone says that it is absolutely = conclusive=20 that 4GB will no no good whatsoever when running my monster sofware = performance=20 system, I have no issues with paying the extra for that 2GB of RAM.=20

Kris
 
 
Here=20 is the most succinct post I can find on the subject.  I was a = little=20 mixed up - it's not that 32-bit OS's can't see all 4GB, but at least = with PC=20 architecture, about a gig of that 4 gigs will be assigned to system = level=20 devices (video card, PCI bus, etc), leaving you with less than = 4GB.  In=20 addition, 32-bit apps can't access more than 2GB each without PAE = (which is a=20 bad idea for an audio machine).

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2007/08/address= able-memory-in-32-bit-operating.html

On=20 a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH THE NEW = Santa=20 Rosa platform.  It is definitely a well-documented problem with = all other=20 Mac/Intel platforms.  The new "36-bit" chip allows access to 4GB, = and=20 presumably (this is where I'm not positive) OSX can really use it all = because=20 it doesn't do what Windoze does (steal some of it).  In addition, = 32-bit=20 Mac apps can still only access 2GB each.

Hope that=20 helps.

Doug

------=_NextPart_000_0FE3_01C7EC0E.78852F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 03:50:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49D7B3BFDC; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 03:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> References: <20070829173409.660E43BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:50:30 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 03:50:36 +0000 (UTC) At 8:40 PM +0200 8/29/07, David Steinberg wrote: > >It's simple : people who subscribe to this list are interested in >reading and sharing informations about loopers and looping music, >and tangent subjects such as the instruments used, etc. are also of >interest to most of them. But that's it. Speak for yourself there. In my own case, I find the LD list to be one of the best collections of polymaths on any music-oriented Internet mailing list. Like all polymaths, the majority of its members are interested in many different fields. And just as they can post intelligently about looping-related subjects, they can post every bit as interestingly about pretty much anything. In other words, I'm here for the people, not just the "on-topic content". >That's why I think that another list could be a good thing. Of >course, it can only work if most of the "usual posters" here do >agree about this and use it. To be clear, I agree pretty much with Warren's sentiments earlier. Yet, I'm not really opposed to a parallel list, either (I even suggested that myself at one point). As Per and a few others have mentioned, it's relatively little work to simply filter it all into the same mailbox and go on business-as-usual. To that end, however, can you please post the direct address for subscribing to LDOT from a *non* Gmail email account? Google's being stupid (keeps trying to force me to create a new gmail addy with so much gobbledegook that I'll never remember the damn thing; yes, it's the system, because I'm already requesting things so ridiculously convoluted that there's no way anybody has these addresses). I'm rather irritated at them right now, and it would be much easier to simply send a "subscribe" command. Bugger-all this web-based garbage. :P Thanks in advance for any assistance! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 04:06:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2EB63BFF7; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 04:06:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070829173409.660E43BF78@arsenic.violacea.com> <82A0F1FF-4F1A-4294-8997-63FA3096A3C5@free.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: Keeping the off-topic off the list Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:05:56 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 04:06:12 +0000 (UTC) > On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Mech wrote: > I'm here for the people, not just the "on-topic content". Well said in few words. Bravo. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 05:57:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 589243BFF3; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 05:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <103901c7ec5c$f313dca0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: PayPlay Digital Sales Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:57:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_1036_01C7EC2A.A7C6BE70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 05:57:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_1036_01C7EC2A.A7C6BE70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this case digital = sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name pop up on a = Google search. This just popped up. Apparently, a few of my CDs are = available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced CD artwork with = cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea. http://payplay.fm/artist/Krispen+Hartung Kris ------=_NextPart_000_1036_01C7EC2A.A7C6BE70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It's interesting when you sign up for = something -=20 in this case digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see = your name=20 pop up on a Google search.  This just popped up. =  Apparently, a=20 few of my CDs are available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced = CD=20 artwork with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea.
 
http://payplay.fm/artis= t/Krispen+Hartung
 
Kris
 
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 Dear Sir/ Madam,
 
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Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. --0-592078966-1188636674=:76325-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 11:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93CB43BF3A; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: OT: mastering Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 13:23:35 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c7ec8a$893fa4c0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <46D87E3A.8060900@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfsEBWj5t2exYJQSLC3gZgQrcaomQAefa7Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZJrw0Eew== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:23:14 +0000 (UTC) > Er...no. It's neither automated nor non-creative, unless > you're referring to the process of simply running it through > software which can be done with some basic results. Mastering Here, we're using different terminology. I was referring to the process of taking a red-book-compliant digital source and using that to make a glass master (hence the name "mastering"). This process a) will always work if the source is red-book compliant b) has no parameters to adjust Both a) and b) were/are not true in the world of vinyl. What you are referring to using the term "mastering" is the process of preparing that red-book compliant digital source. And for that I think we all agree that it is creative a process, and that's why I started this thread. I do however still believe that the TC Electronics Finalizer when used gently does good work. And as I got one quite cheaply, this investment made sense for the converters alone ;) Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 17:22:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61AEC3BF58; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <103901c7ec5c$f313dca0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <103901c7ec5c$f313dca0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--93274675 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: PayPlay Digital Sales Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 10:22:02 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:22:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--93274675 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris, Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful? I cannot recommend their services highly enough. They're terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon too). They've opened more sales doors for me than almost anything else. I need to get another CD out . . . someday. My one and only solo disk so far was from 2001. I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule similar to yours. Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . and schedule. That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually a little nervous =20= about starting another. I gotta get over that. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this case digital = =20 > sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name pop up on a =20= > Google search.=A0 This just popped up. =A0Apparently,=A0a few of my = CDs are =20 > available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced CD artwork with = =20 > cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea. > =A0 > http://payplay.fm/artist/Krispen+Hartung > =A0 > Kris --Apple-Mail-1--93274675 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris, Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful?=20 I cannot recommend their services highly enough. They're terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon too). They've opened more sales doors for me than almost anything else. I need to get another CD out . . . someday. My one and only solo disk so far was from 2001. I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule similar to yours. Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . and schedule. That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually a little nervous about starting another. I gotta get over that. tEd =AE KiLLiAn = CourierFFFE,0C0B,0000Diff= erent is not always better, but better is always different" =20 7F7E,7A79,7A79Flux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D1211970 00042=20 =20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? = On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: ArialIt's interesting when you sign up for something - in this case digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name pop up on a Google search.=A0 This just popped up. =A0Apparently,=A0a few of my CDs = are available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced CD artwork with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea. =A0 = Arial0000,0000,EEEEhttp://payplay.fm/artist/Krispen+Hartung =A0 ArialKris --Apple-Mail-1--93274675-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 18:24:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28EBD3BF73; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <103901c7ec5c$f313dca0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13--89542217 Message-Id: From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: PayPlay Digital Sales (CD Baby) Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 11:24:15 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <98d5eC.A.h1H.T5a2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:24:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-13--89542217 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hear! Hear! I fully agree with Ted's comments! (Shameless Promotion Dept.) Thanx to the Baby, my first ELEMENTAL CD, "Lux Aeternae" has finally =20= SOLD OUT! DD sales will still be available, but I am not sure if I will be able =20= to re-issue it as a physical product? As usual, $$ is TIGHT. (Oh well, at least I have a home and am not living under a bridge =20 somewhere, and are not starving,etc. Life COULD be worse, so always COUNT yer blessings! ) I also am a little antsy about self-producing CDrs of it, but might=20 (?) look into that later. I have heard that CDrs are not always reliable to be played on just =20 any CD player anywhere. Is that still true? (OR...?) But now, my 2nd one, "Thee Divine Imagination" continues to sell, =20 both DD and as a physical product. I guess the time has come for a new ELEMENTAL. I would be up for =20 doin' that. Eventually... :-) -Rev. Fever On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: > Kris, > > Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful? > > I cannot recommend their services highly enough. > > They're terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon too). > > They've opened more sales doors for me than almost anything else. > > I need to get another CD out . . . someday. > > My one and only solo disk so far was from 2001. > > I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule similar to yours. > > Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . and schedule. > > That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually a little =20 > nervous about starting another. > > I gotta get over that. > > tEd =AE KiLLiAn > > Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > Flux Aeterna: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 > playListId=3D6378076 > > Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music =20 > Festival) CDs at: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 > step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 > 00042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? > > On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this case =20 >> digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name =20 >> pop up on a Google search. This just popped up. Apparently, a =20 >> few of my CDs are available in MP3 format now, complete with re-=20 >> produced CD artwork with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea. >> >> http://payplay.fm/artist/Krispen+Hartung >> >> Kris > --Apple-Mail-13--89542217 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hear! Hear!=A0 I fully agree = with Ted's=A0 comments!

(Shameless Promotion = Dept.)
Thanx to the Baby, my first ELEMENTAL CD, "Lux = Aeternae"=A0 has finally SOLD OUT!
DD sales will still be = available, but I am not sure if I will be able to re-issue it as a = physical product?=A0
As usual, $$ is TIGHT.

(Oh well, at least I have a = home and am not living under a bridge somewhere, and are not = starving,etc.
Life COULD be worse, so always COUNT yer = blessings! )

I = also am a little antsy about self-producing CDrs of it, but might(?) = look into that later.
I have heard that CDrs are not always = reliable to be played on just any CD player anywhere.=A0
Is = that still true?=A0 (OR...?)

But=A0now, my 2nd one, = "Thee Divine Imagination" continues to sell, both DD and as a physical = product.

I = guess the time has come for a new ELEMENTAL.=A0 I would be up for doin' = that. Eventually... :-)

-Rev. Fever

On Sep 1, 2007, = at 10:22 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:

Kris,

Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful?=A0

I cannot = recommend their services highly enough.

They're = terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon too).

They've = opened more sales doors for me than almost anything = else.

I need to get another CD out . . . = someday.

My one and only solo disk so far was from = 2001.

I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule = similar to yours.

Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . = and schedule.

That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually = a little nervous about starting another.

I gotta = get over that.

tEd =AE KiLLiAn
Different is not always better, but better is always = different"=A0
=A0
Flux Aeterna:=A0

Also check out the 1st = set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=A0
=A0
http://www.guitar9.com/fl= uxaeterna.html=A0
00042=A0
=A0
Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available = at: Apple iTunes,=A0
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=A0
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, = QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=A0
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony = Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=A0
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, = yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=A0

On Aug = 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this = case digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name = pop up on a Google search.=A0 This just popped up. =A0Apparently,=A0a = few of my CDs are available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced = CD artwork with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea.

=A0

=A0

Kris
=

=
= --Apple-Mail-13--89542217-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 21:09:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B33583BF62; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <20070901182420.9C8623BF5E@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070901182420.9C8623BF5E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--79699224 Message-Id: <02A88F3E-EA2B-4B2C-85B0-86FB2EFE78C4@free.fr> From: David Steinberg Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9p_:_Keeping_the_off-topic_off_the_list?= Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:08:18 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:09:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--79699224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, > De : Mech > Date : 1 septembre 2007 05:50:30 HAEC > Objet : R=E9p : Keeping the off-topic off the list > > To be clear, I agree pretty much with Warren's sentiments earlier. =20 > Yet, I'm not really opposed to a parallel list, either (I even =20 > suggested that myself at one point). As Per and a few others have =20 > mentioned, it's relatively little work to simply filter it all into =20= > the same mailbox and go on business-as-usual. Well, as I explained before there are also people who use the digest =20 version. It's just another way of reading emails, I've been doing =20 this for most of the lists that I read for years. But I suspect that =20 I'm part of a minority here :) If people used subjects that are actually related to the content and =20 if everyone erased the unnecessary parts of the previous mails =20 they're responding to, the digests would be far easier to read and =20 navigate, by the way... > To that end, however, can you please post the direct address for =20 > subscribing to LDOT from a *non* Gmail email account? Google's =20 > being stupid (keeps trying to force me to create a new gmail addy =20 > with so much gobbledegook that I'll never remember the damn thing; =20 > yes, it's the system, because I'm already requesting things so =20 > ridiculously convoluted that there's no way anybody has these =20 > addresses). I'm rather irritated at them right now, and it would =20 > be much easier to simply send a "subscribe" command. Bugger-all =20 > this web-based garbage. :P It should be : loopers-delight-off-topic-subscribe@googlegroups.com And to unsub : loopers-delight-off-topic-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com And the homepage is : http://groups.google.fr/group/loopers-delight-off-topic I should have mentioned this in the initial email, sorry. And the following page gives more info about what you can do with a =20 google account that you can't do without one (I wasn't aware of this =20 until I found this page) : http://groups.google.com/support/bin/=20 answer.py?answer=3D46438&topic=3D9244 I made a googlegroup because it was quite simple to do and because =20 yahoogroups are just horrible :) As I said earlier, I just did this to help when people started to =20 complain about the content of the mails from the list recently. No one is forced to do anything but this is just another available =20 option... Hope this helps, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" --Apple-Mail-8--79699224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Hi,

De : Mech <mech@m3ch.net>
Date : 1 septembre 2007 05:50:30 = HAEC
Objet : R=E9p : Keeping the = off-topic off the list

To be clear, I agree pretty much = with Warren's sentiments earlier. Yet, I'm not really opposed to a = parallel list, either (I even suggested that myself at one point).=A0 As Per and a few others have = mentioned, it's relatively little work to simply filter it all into the = same mailbox and go on business-as-usual.

Well, as I explained before = there are also people who use the digest version. It's just another way = of reading emails, I've been doing this for most of the lists that I = read for years.=A0But I suspect that I'm part of a minority here = :)

If people = used subjects that are actually related to the content and if everyone = erased the unnecessary parts of the previous mails they're responding = to, the digests would be far easier to read and navigate, by the = way...

To that end, = however, can you please post the direct address for subscribing to LDOT = from a *non* Gmail email account?=A0= Google's being stupid (keeps trying to force me to create a new = gmail addy with so much gobbledegook that I'll never remember the damn = thing; yes, it's the system, because I'm already requesting things so = ridiculously convoluted that there's no way anybody has these = addresses).=A0 I'm rather = irritated at them right now, and it would be much easier to simply send = a "subscribe" command.=A0 = Bugger-all this web-based garbage.=A0 :P

It should be :
And to = unsub :

And the homepage is = :

I should have mentioned = this in the initial email, sorry.

And the following page = gives more info about what you can do with a google account that you = can't do without one (I wasn't aware of this until I found this page) = :=A0http://groups.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=3D46438&am= p;topic=3D9244

I made a googlegroup = because it was quite simple to do and because yahoogroups are just = horrible :)

As = I said earlier, I just did this to help when people started to complain = about the content of the mails from the list recently.
No one = is forced to do anything but this is just another available = option...=A0

Hope this helps,
"Simulating the true styles = and making carefully.
=A0Many colours a lot, selected freely = by you !"



= --Apple-Mail-8--79699224-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 21:24:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D080D3BF2E; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:24:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=R4yqCDNf5L8uIijddcFeKtRWI5eQaXhdwqljLpjAkNBQom9HDn7vziLfu/ZtinO1D/dR6a1Z37yk0A0BY4eQsBJCpXnF3fySoTUXATmVzU0tTSxMHH7foT8VGR+RY8EXgx2ZumzjJddkiBVnJbkPZsx/5pKSJpxG4NEb8StYkKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d5lrvPISGVuwVPL09BGgOBQ/I60jIfT+tlvGbNXGqPB0LqyMi8sKpXVxjXQfMflSw8ntdxfx8S7p650SLpT3l2nksy4ulJ42ZVyHJP3ybt33oj1wJnUue3gbiViAu2h5y9UmmTwle/ZEu4dUyj5ZxTqk5tKw2R6Qcfw0k0b4ukk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <003501c7eba4$3f8f5370$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <56919A59-4F0C-436A-9125-360E33BDC0C2@gmail.com> <003501c7eba4$3f8f5370$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2DFF7B9C-FB59-46CA-93B5-40DD0FC8447E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: live(streamning) from punkt - Hassel - Molvaer Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:23:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:24:06 +0000 (UTC) >>> One of Norways most exiting Festivals Featuring Jon >>> Hassel - Peter Schwab - Michyo Yagi- Nils Petter >>> Molvaer and many more. > > did anyone see Jon Hassell's set? I missed it - ack. Too bad > because I've > never seen nor heard his Solid State piece. I hope it's gonna be > archived > (there is an archive on www.buggesroom.com, containing lots of > interesting > stuff such as a piece by the Eivind Aarset group ... btw Eivind has > done a > new CD and I expect it to land in my postbox today !!) > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de Hassel is playing any minute now, it seems. They've been sound- checking the stage for a while and just did an ensemble test. Sounds as good as when I heard him live last time in 1984. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 21:56:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEE8A3BF49; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:56:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:56:26 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_R=E9p_:_Keeping_the_off-topic_off_the_list?= In-reply-to: <02A88F3E-EA2B-4B2C-85B0-86FB2EFE78C4@free.fr> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <006701c7ece2$f1ec2ea0$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_ASFSQumyPryXNjmk3mjXoQ)" Thread-index: Acfs3FI8eKfegVdhQfGNmsmfj2FRJAAA3Kxw References: <20070901182420.9C8623BF5E@arsenic.violacea.com> <02A88F3E-EA2B-4B2C-85B0-86FB2EFE78C4@free.fr> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74054 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:56:34 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_ASFSQumyPryXNjmk3mjXoQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I can see why many things would be problematic in a digest = version. What I don=92t quite get is why anyone would prefer the digest version, = when, with the modern auto-sorting capabilities of email clients, it=92s so = much easier to scan and manage everything quickly in non-digest format. =20 _____ =20 From: David Steinberg [mailto:waveform@free.fr]=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 5:08 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: R=E9p : Keeping the off-topic off the list =20 =85 =20 Well, as I explained before there are also people who use the digest version. It's just another way of reading emails, I've been doing this = for most of the lists that I read for years. But I suspect that I'm part of = a minority here :) =20 If people used subjects that are actually related to the content and if everyone erased the unnecessary parts of the previous mails they're responding to, the digests would be far easier to read and navigate, by = the way... =85 =20 Excuse my venting, Not that my opinion has or should have any weight = here, but I find it to be a pain to be constantly nagged about this. There = must be something I=92m not getting about why the digest folks persist in that = view other than habit (does it have to do with connection speed?), but, regardless of my opinion of that, I don=92t see it as a no-brainer that everyone else should be inconvenienced so the digest readers can have it = all just the way they like it (I=92m sorry to make such a =93they=94 out of = you. I don=92t know quite how else to say it). I have to admit, I know nothing = about the relative numbers of subscribers in these formats. =20 The bifurcation of the lists is fun =96 it=92s nice to be free of the = topic police in the OT list =96 but it is already obvious that it=92s quite = absurd. There=92s been plenty of loop-related discussion on the OT list. The = running joke there has become =93no, no =96 you=92re not allowed ON topic = here!=94 Personally, I=92d rather see all Repeater-specific discussions moved to = a different list, and a permanent Wiki established for the eternal laptop-vs-hw debate! :-) =20 And, of course, the whole Off-On topic debate is OT to this list, and = has generated more OT messages by far than the book thread that spawned it. = But that=92s the nature of group deliberations, I guess. =20 Warren =20 --Boundary_(ID_ASFSQumyPryXNjmk3mjXoQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah, I can see why many things = would be problematic in a digest version. What I don’t quite get is why = anyone would prefer the digest version, when, with the modern auto-sorting capabilities of email clients, it’s so much easier to scan and = manage everything quickly in non-digest format.

 

From: David = Steinberg [mailto:waveform@free.fr]
Sent: Saturday, September = 01, 2007 5:08 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: R=E9p : Keeping = the off-topic off the list

 

…

 

Well, as I explained before there are also people who use the = digest version. It's just another way of reading emails, I've been doing this = for most of the lists that I read for years. But I suspect that I'm part of = a minority here :)

 

If people used subjects that are actually related to the content = and if everyone erased the unnecessary parts of the previous mails they're = responding to, the digests would be far easier to read and navigate, by the = way...


…

 

Excuse my venting, Not that my opinion has or should have any weight here, but I = find it to be a pain to be constantly nagged about this. There must be something = I’m not getting about why the digest folks persist in that view other than = habit (does it have to do with connection speed?), but, regardless of my = opinion of that, I don’t see it as a no-brainer that everyone else should be inconvenienced so the digest readers can have it all just the way they = like it (I’m sorry to make such a “they” out of you. I = don’t know quite how else to say it). I have to admit, I know nothing about = the relative numbers of subscribers in these = formats.

 =

The bifurcation of the lists is fun – it’s nice to be free of = the topic police in the OT list – but it is already obvious that it’s = quite absurd. There’s been plenty of loop-related discussion on the OT = list. The running joke there has become “no, no – you’re not = allowed ON topic here!” Personally, I’d rather see all = Repeater-specific discussions moved to a different list, and a permanent Wiki established for the = eternal laptop-vs-hw debate! :-)

 =

And, of course, the whole Off-On topic debate is OT to this list, and has = generated more OT messages by far than the book thread that spawned it. But = that’s the nature of group deliberations, I guess.

 =

Warren=

 

--Boundary_(ID_ASFSQumyPryXNjmk3mjXoQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:01:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 668B13BF5A; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: re;OT favorite mastering chain Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:01:41 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c7ecec$0f4e86b0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <791932.68406.qm@web32704.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-index: AcfsI04A3etRipO3QtSh3cxd4Ue3GAAyKR5g X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWABpYKfA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <0vrxCC.A.i2E.D9e2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74055 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Are you using analogue source tape, or only analogue mastering gear? Why? Rainer > I go from mixed tape to EQ, to Valley 440 dynamics > processors, to BBE Maximizer, to recording device. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:07:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027583BF7C; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:07:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jfdKYcrI8MLGvSdt12cup488dtm51jPkjXKlqyKt94xikfefW9CYb/5PJrvj2/PWwOgsut2RpIbyNFXtxgRBYxk7SgI7CuE/O7VxgsoRjhYN7OQsi3PD6RjznHs22/fACQRnxqTiRnpMIJsPfftV1HRdBFXg2ME9fQV9ne+1JHg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=j0dvjmQUXOeyA8E/n3CfARVbzbXi99hfkg++U7DuHlncfETdJEbK2IOAmwDzfP/T93rJRc/cD4WWxYVSoxoVzecTePrr259nYBNMPlleXF1kMOI5c8A6oVn5t7gQ/ro/S1XbhzvVQp1trVHN68BNEEUp2L/A8V7Ak3Vt76eFykw= In-Reply-To: <008101c7eceb$12998870$3702a8c0@macbookxp> References: <008101c7eceb$12998870$3702a8c0@macbookxp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> Cc: Loopers Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:06:56 +0200 To: loopers-delight-off-topic@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74056 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:07:01 +0000 (UTC) On 2 sep 2007, at 00.54, Warren Sirota wrote: > I'm trying to look at the streaming video, but it doesn't seem to > be working > (you're talking about the "Tonights Live Concert" link, right?) Yep. I copied the live stream URL into the Quicktime player and snagged it with Audio HiJack Pro (Mac rocks!). If you want to listen I posted the mp3 at http://www.looproom.com/audio/Jon_Hassell_Live_Remix_Punkt_Festival.mp3 CC'ing this to the On Topic list as well, since I heard Hassel do some looping at the end of the piece, although it was only one repeat (zero feedback) and a very long loop. Going to bed now. Good night from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:26:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD5D3BF7D; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this possibilitiy of an offtopic list Honestly, I think there are far fewer people who object to off topic posts here than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure. Why don't we find out. Please tell us what you think. 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. As a matter of fact, let's not inundate the list with more discussion on this particular thread. Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain away in the previous OT: posts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:30:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2107A3BF74; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=ennXquzSmJxUmU3UpGMYK7suiVX8Fd+1p3n/6JdIadx3YgxF3XBcu2/9YSf9/wGN; h=Received:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:X-Priority:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D62C84A-C431-4FA5-93B8-308ABA2E34FF@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: David Coffin Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 16:30:25 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79a16ffda15d9b1eb2bc2697f652331f14350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.67.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:30:31 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:52:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A09C3BF77; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:52:06 +0100 Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Thread-Index: Acfs8xn0WM5kkFjmEdyZ1QAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:52:12 +0000 (UTC) > Why don't we find out. > > > Please tell us what you think. One of the neat things I like about forums is the ability to set up polls like this very simply, and display the results quickly. Oh damn, I mentioned that word again. I heard somewhere that if someone mentions the word 'forum' three times in the same post, LD will become invisible to search engines and it's members will develop anterograde amnesia... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 1 23:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C26D43BF7F; Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1188691167.46d9fcdf75b39@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:59:27 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.6.254.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Quoting RICK WALKER : > Please tell us what you think. > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. I vote 2.. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:01:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C43E23BF8A; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:01:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 17:01:01 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:01:02 +0000 (UTC) > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:01:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2B683BF9A; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:01:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <037E696C-F2AA-4F78-9A76-BB654BE59E70@midway.uchicago.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:03:01 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:01:15 +0000 (UTC) 2 I got a good salsa recipe from this list (among other OT things). :) Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:11:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2FB2D3BF93; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00cd01c7ecf5$cd2f24b0$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:11:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000771-1, 01/09/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:11:32 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6FD893BF96; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FnJmhSVnUcf4ckeUoIGuDCZ5VlXjxZtIJg0/bs3NZ8wz5Z9D1QL6uKtWerseWBbhhLeSGqzQOTX0GSvj6bGSiyoXYq2vsRfe/k2FxW0vMLEVQWDmN7B35vGzJmLDux1/AIo47N+XakzrEsIJzGPoYqLkC6c8E5i75znZuabaxqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Cn2fA7NtfEpTJ7Dk5FxvOMxorIpbzoRi2ZERvLnJfOflrSgIpYnbYrFtoD0n0MfrD7RX34CSQX1IOKe6WjsLxiDcIz3ytswgLMGnCdzOfL42LUma0I76aJ1NjMBtlNSPFIpMruCTUHImIsPNggAWcb+rJ32mvBBRjpPLdM/Tw0A= Message-ID: <4759e5740709011713x4d41651erdee0f70ecd93aa8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:13:47 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4432_8264662.1188692027317" References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:13:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4432_8264662.1188692027317 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2 On 9/1/07, RICK WALKER wrote: > > Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this > possibilitiy of an offtopic list > > Honestly, I think there are far fewer people who object to off topic > posts > here > than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure. > > Why don't we find out. > > > Please tell us what you think. > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. > > As a matter of fact, let's not inundate the list with more discussion on > this particular thread. > Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain away > in > the previous OT: posts. > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_4432_8264662.1188692027317 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2



On 9/1/07, RICK WALKER <looppool@cruzio.com> wrote:
Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this
possibilitiy of an offtopic list

Honestly,  I think there are far fewer people who object to off topic posts
here
than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure.

Why don't we find out.


Please tell us what you think.


1)  There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site

2)   It's fine , we can leave things the way they are.

To make this quick,     just leave a 1) or a 2)   in your message body.

As a matter of fact,  let's not inundate the list with more discussion on
this particular thread.
Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain away in
the previous OT: posts.




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917.576.6166                                               
todd@toddreynolds.com
toddreyn@gmail.com
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For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:22:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B82D3BF6E; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:22:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070901192246.4g4hwktqlcks4okg@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:22:46 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: LoopersDelight Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <4759e5740709011713x4d41651erdee0f70ecd93aa8a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4759e5740709011713x4d41651erdee0f70ecd93aa8a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:22:49 +0000 (UTC) 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 00:23:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E3CB3BF88; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:23:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:23:46 +0000 Message-Id: <090220070023.18989.46DA029200096E0700004A2D22070215530196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18989_1188692626_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:23:49 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18989_1188692626_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. But first we tie Captain Flint to the mainmast and give him 100 lashes, ten for each miserable years he's made us suffer the indignities of this loopers list.and then set him free in his tiny dinghy. sincerely, the seaman of the SS Unssubscribe -- Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18989_1188692626_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
2)   It's fine , we can leave things the way they are.
But first we tie Captain Flint to the mainmast and give him 100 lashes, ten for each miserable years he's made us suffer the indignities of this loopers list.and then set him free in his tiny dinghy.
 
                                                                  sincerely,
                                                                                 the seaman of the SS Unssubscribe  
 
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--Apple-Mail-9--65550515-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:04:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB9523BFB2; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.4 X-EN-IMPSID: jD4N1X00105G96J0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:04:08 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74071 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:04:23 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:10:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 77B493BF2D; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:10:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=l6xJ2VqpQCGz9Du7TC0i3+RxLIwPyCOhbiqz/LtzJxgoj9lXU2XguqZjeKV5Be6aDHb6DBJrcRH3efqjWJzQBpKOSSeU7eKhWhyNuRjJH2JdCdPnV8+76DwSRcTcGoshIxNTv613KiVAACs13OcjzpnyvpvIvvIi/NdobUaygEs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J50602JA//iLt277rA8mKyARu5yuIK1Gp9TemGCLXYL4IvgD+nTaNYYexcLE87YVC9SZdOFwro2jOVjQO2ahbLjQOFluCmgFF7/vkDtt6xYhOXH6TplVgtpQFk//H7eOyX9f5yTJYHNdsA2KFiDEFwWrXje+zay0F6gdDhCSm6k= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:10:21 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3800_24643215.1188695421044" References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74072 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:10:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3800_24643215.1188695421044 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline too. I mean to. tu. ------=_Part_3800_24643215.1188695421044 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline too.

I mean to.

tu.
------=_Part_3800_24643215.1188695421044-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1593F3BF99; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CsNvG0tRh/hCMKcoM8HtZOGNb2EuNZ0gaNEVp18db7oYCLogbKZDJ5mn91zJLuIsBQJcJdbhoDXafdQIeME/ZZMlfykwNOUmJCX2zaPkmQYijDJJYLiinnYjhfhVCvJCNYOlmtvjERtqIF4fJVjWRkgWnr5aODP1g+dAMKANy4s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=KUZcTORKpMoMBwCkROvFZ9wAqGJIScegAawks7fRCH0W3Civ2fg4GB1jRqwuSOP2WHS5gVUCkLcOmqgVanc+wR8EV8YFt4YXC73HhVuh4p0D2LUWNtH2Q0zPWiLkWdLpEoCbClZcrFqT3YyefzE0Z6PRYGOnn0DUyu1733NLsP4= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10709011810r2b5cd650gc910d095d4a26d06@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:10:34 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3569_26703343.1188695434538" References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74073 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:10:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3569_26703343.1188695434538 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. See, I even trimmed this message! :-) (waves to Rick) -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_3569_26703343.1188695434538 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2)   It's fine , we can leave things the way they are.


See, I even trimmed this message! :-) (waves to Rick)

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Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_3569_26703343.1188695434538-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93B3C3BFAB; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] Message-ID: <002501c7ecff$89ddd260$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:20:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74074 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:21:07 +0000 (UTC) 2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:21:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4B743BFBC; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=qZAeASvSwbYL0fkQFFyQyTRRnQNK4s+FWtxI9fAyhoswLGdmKjN5Z9htBjfzoqK9B8u6V2K6IFkmGrHbbcvKVsDK95fldYjn5vmS/ckMC7/Y3DePl8VuxH44VjZ2OkLmi6T6yYHfOCLKPcXJaYNjACWNN+I6hFKkBULVRUcaoGY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=tKaNV1N+cHp/qipN/swXp5nJVQxD8v4gUxVWmfl7tjkHjShF819VA8F7/Acluo6Newg/RHIII46p95ODLt7BdxWVo6tT9U04nMlbJHQ6H5y1m1mQnPvv3NNuqDfLHm3NXhbWGqG1cgW20Pznw59MiStr013feyn++CFyg6ZZMPI= Message-ID: <9ff9c5d10709011821h58fdf2deid89f66ff76abafc1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:21:48 -0700 From: "Nic Roozeboom" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Keeping the off-topic off the digest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3585_25991359.1188696108645" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74075 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:21:51 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3585_25991359.1188696108645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Posts marked OT: automatically get precluded from the digest... And posts "about" the list (including off/on-topic debate) get marked META: and also don't make it to the digest... Digesters happier, auto-sorters happier. One can dream, can't one? Nic gmailer not a digest subscriber;-) On 9/1/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > Yeah, I can see why many things would be problematic in a digest version. > What I don't quite get is why anyone would prefer the digest version, when, > with the modern auto-sorting capabilities of email clients, it's so much > easier to scan and manage everything quickly in non-digest format. > > > ------------------------------ > -- Nic Roozeboom http://www.fractal-continuum.com http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_3585_25991359.1188696108645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Posts marked OT: automatically get precluded from the digest... And posts "about" the list (including off/on-topic debate) get marked META: and also don't make it to the digest... Digesters happier, auto-sorters happier. One can dream, can't one?

Nic
gmailer not a digest subscriber;-)


On 9/1/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:

Yeah, I can see why many things would be problematic in a digest version. What I don't quite get is why anyone would prefer the digest version, when, with the modern auto-sorting capabilities of email clients, it's so much easier to scan and manage everything quickly in non-digest format.

 


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Nic Roozeboom

http://www.fractal-continuum.com
http://www.cdbaby.com/all/fractal
http://www.myspace.com/fractalcontinuum
http://www.myspace.com/nicroozeboom
http://fractal.bebo.com/ ------=_Part_3585_25991359.1188696108645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:26:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37B933BF3F; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:26:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 18:26:16 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c7ed00$43ce1270$cb6a3750$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfs8LZp4+i8vcOyRZ2+/zamn48+uAAD4Rtw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D131a020000001c88.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74076 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:26:17 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08163BFAF; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Message-ID: <005601c7ed00$9f537c20$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:28:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01C7ECDF.17C83F50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74077 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:28:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C7ECDF.17C83F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable tu? http://www.myspace.com/tuband ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 9:10 PM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight tu. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: = 8/31/2007 5:21 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C7ECDF.17C83F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release = Date:=20 8/31/2007 5:21 PM
------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C7ECDF.17C83F50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 01:46:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4CE1E3BFA0; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46DA15FE.7000309@biink.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:46:38 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070902010423.4B1A83BF89@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0s-i8D.A.0zG.rXh2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74078 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:46:19 +0000 (UTC) two and also seven. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:02:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B3ABF3BF98; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:02:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46DA19A7.4030204@servingpeace.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:02:15 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74079 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:02:18 +0000 (UTC) 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:05:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6043BFB9; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:05:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6615C8AB-DBB2-4624-B8BB-BF55F2C68899@zonemobius.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jeffrey Larson Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:04:59 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - esc25.midphase.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - zonemobius.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74080 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:05:14 +0000 (UTC) 3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:17:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 613FC3BFBD; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:17:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: CkakjcsVM1lPFFLUHmaSl6EMrsi.XSeEPyrRDNh_IPX0teJOwlJbU4wohNnSo.u8NxClw..eYw-- Message-ID: <46DA1D2B.9020603@minds-eye.org> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 19:17:15 -0700 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.5) Gecko/20070716 SeaMonkey/1.1.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74081 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:17:18 +0000 (UTC) 2 Kevin (another one) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:24:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 724443BFB7; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709020223.l822Ntda015855@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:23:52 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: p koniuto Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74082 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:24:00 +0000 (UTC) >1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > >2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. 2. I've learned a great deal from diverse yet like-minded (loopers) people on this list in off-topic posts over the last 11 years. NOT a fan of the OT stuff being omitted from digests. I AM a big fan of people trimming down the quoted texts, as to avoid driving the digest-readers mad. (If we're printing them and reading them on the go, we get 30 pages of the same message.) Peter ______________________________ Peter Koniuto Creative Recordist - Composer Red Sun Soundroom Niskayuna, NY U.S.A. AVAILAIBLE NOW: Pseudophone's "Reach" A free EP from Negative Sound Institute http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/ http://www.RedSunSoundroom.com peter AT RedSunSoundroom.com ______________________________ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:24:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BB453BFCC; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:24:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "Woz Mail" To: Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:24:17 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <6615C8AB-DBB2-4624-B8BB-BF55F2C68899@zonemobius.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74083 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:24:22 +0000 (UTC) 2 -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Larson [mailto:jeff@zonemobius.com] Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:05 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight 3 -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.2/983 - Release Date: 9/1/2007 4:20 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:30:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6184C3BFC5; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=h1/M8rhENAACIciLz35ZZpcXiJAp6bO96d7Jfy9UNAcG/WPFni7ZZioMGWLMJYiiDdJxcfxfNzHHkAykY74ZKcRLdhAls21HM1/ANmdHZJIP/lryr+slwkrIf+Ai9CPRbZqe1y8+Q93M7qlzd35TzsvQ6mBaWLCHekU7m3KkBfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=k9KXkzUVcgs4B0pikLrrP1C2w4EWKGzKe439nf02slf7Gf4zYd6i/35N5kH2PUqzyELePke4R+ljwI4hD9pCCqqDUMrWGXSx5P1RwLIiu5CLqYsKCk2iiVPh2GlNHNn/fEoyiTW6syxk0Ec03swD8ykQKajw8QOUx5M+XTolwig= Message-ID: <588ce11d0709011930l6e4713ecq518596b5229138d4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 19:30:31 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74084 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:30:33 +0000 (UTC) 2 -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 02:33:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 277443BF08; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:33:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:33:14 EDT Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd4.164c572e.340b7aea_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74085 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 02:33:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bd4.164c572e.340b7aea_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i find this poll a bit late.....there is an LDOT group already set up and i find it somewhat freeing to write about whatever, books, movies, the weather, my garden, guitars and strings.....so far most folk want to leave things as they are till someone mentions poor little ol mr. potter then people leave the list like rats off of a sinking ship.....i wish you could see me chompin on some bubble gum when i say "WHATEVER!".....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_bd4.164c572e.340b7aea_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i find this poll a bit late.....there i= s an LDOT group already set up and i find it somewhat freeing to write about= whatever, books, movies, the weather, my garden, guitars and strings.....so= far most folk want to leave things as they are till someone mentions poor l= ittle ol mr. potter then people leave the list like rats off of a sinking sh= ip.....i wish you could see me chompin on some bubble gum when i say "WHATEV= ER!".....:).....michael



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_bd4.164c572e.340b7aea_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 03:25:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0ED1A3BFA8; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46DA2D27.70402@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:25:27 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: OT: mastering References: <20070901182420.9FFD03BF6E@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070901182420.9FFD03BF6E@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74086 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:25:40 +0000 (UTC) Ah, I gotcha, Rainer. You're absolutely right, creating a CD master can literally be a hands-off process. Thanks for explaining that. more OT: I was lucky enough to be at the mastering session for the vinyl single my band put out (analog from tracking all the way to the end...). Amazing thing, to watch the groove getting laid down on that huge master disk, the engineer watching with a microscope to be sure the bass didn't swing the cutting head too wide. It was a total indulgence - I think we sold 30 out of 500 pressed - but I'm so happy I did it. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> Er...no. It's neither automated nor non-creative, unless >> you're referring to the process of simply running it through >> software which can be done with some basic results. Mastering >> > > Here, we're using different terminology. I was referring to the process of > taking a red-book-compliant digital source and using that to make a glass > master (hence the name "mastering"). This process > a) will always work if the source is red-book compliant > b) has no parameters to adjust > > Both a) and b) were/are not true in the world of vinyl. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 03:34:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 458F13BFBB; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46DA2F45.9030409@mhorse.com> Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:34:29 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight References: <20070902010412.086A13BFA7@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070902010412.086A13BFA7@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74087 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:34:38 +0000 (UTC) Well...I'll also vote 2, things can stay as they are...but leaving things "as they are" means keeping the already-fun OT list, as well as this list. Ha. I guess my vote of #2 means that I think OT discussion shouldn't require topic police on this list. Rather, just as it is now, we keep things GENERALLY within the viewable horizon of looping. And people can join the other one, or not. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 03:47:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76E7A3BFB1; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=prfBPjIoCd3q+GjPu44pCeFwK6CJMO9HuHwL46mMsqxYlMHaZTNVhAhfef7vxOfT5w6mDnquv78xIcFzgRCiPQKc4YdMRM2QmpSurx3BQxzS3Cnkan6WRVm/Dtr6bK2EcufABdSyhofozB7BQ+gSxJTqvP0gAuyDxrQ733A3BW0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=kzCBwQ+veik8j1eCZrj3/a0t5UUGTky5Xaw6lQMVc4x7CuF9s8j6IcZoXmuIanzFZ2qF3cGz4AZramC66xWT3jfTvcAobqCJvK9rfbh2P8qizz3ffYB78Lx1iyRcEj3SKgHw/AHuWaEUnfWi8FGHots8azFgElIBzyQ7b3MH+O0= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:47:31 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <46DA2F45.9030409@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3137_22539131.1188704851671" References: <20070902010412.086A13BFA7@arsenic.violacea.com> <46DA2F45.9030409@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7SzcIC.A.osE.VJj2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74088 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:47:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3137_22539131.1188704851671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 1) or 2) ... but also vote for jeff's 3 ... i'm totally agree with him! well done & said (er.. written... leave it as typed...) !!! wow, i never noticed that i like voting as much as listening to noise raul. 2007/9/2, Daryl Shawn : > > Well...I'll also vote 2, things can stay as they are...but leaving > things "as they are" means keeping the already-fun OT list, as well as > this list. Ha. > > I guess my vote of #2 means that I think OT discussion shouldn't require > topic police on this list. Rather, just as it is now, we keep things > GENERALLY within the viewable horizon of looping. And people can join > the other one, or not. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3137_22539131.1188704851671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 1) or 2)  ...  but also vote for jeff's 3 ...
i'm totally agree with him! well done & said
(er.. written... leave it as typed...) !!!

wow, i never noticed that i like voting as much
as listening to noise

raul.

2007/9/2, Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>:
Well...I'll also vote 2, things can stay as they are...but leaving
things "as they are" means keeping the already-fun OT list, as well as
this list. Ha.

I guess my vote of #2 means that I think OT discussion shouldn't require
topic police on this list. Rather, just as it is now, we keep things
GENERALLY within the viewable horizon of looping. And people can join
the other one, or not.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com
www.chinapaintingmusic.com




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The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3137_22539131.1188704851671-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 03:55:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB9683BFB4; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:55:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--55284802 Message-Id: From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 20:55:12 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74089 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 03:55:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16--55284802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > no > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. YES. i like as is! --Apple-Mail-16--55284802 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sep 1, 2007, at = 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote:

1)=A0 There should be an offtopic = list that resides off of this site



no

2) =A0 It's fine = , we can leave things the way they are.

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YES. i like as is!


= --Apple-Mail-16--55284802-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 04:20:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 941F83BFA6; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 00:20:37 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070902042030.0173024797@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74090 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 04:20:32 +0000 (UTC) >2. It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 04:25:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3EF73BFBF; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 12:25:08 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <04b901c7ed19$3ec39980$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <20070902042030.0173024797@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74091 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 04:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Fine by me too. :) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight > >>2. It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 05:49:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3632F3BFB6; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: From: Teddy Kumpel To: "looper's delight list" In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (1C28) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 1C28) Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 01:49:10 -0400 References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74092 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:49:17 +0000 (UTC) 2 Teddy Kumpel Http://myspace.com/mistershifty http://myspace.com On Sep 1, 2007, at 7:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this > possibilitiy of an offtopic list > > Honestly, I think there are far fewer people who object to off > topic posts here > than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure. > > Why don't we find out. > > > Please tell us what you think. > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message > body. > > As a matter of fact, let's not inundate the list with more > discussion on this particular thread. > Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain > away in the previous OT: posts. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 06:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A708B3BFA2; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:10:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ARXXk/HOodDnnJhj1p29CCNpMRgQ1/WGv9nIcfXqD65mdatJlcfwCy8ESpPqRh8363A++OFtqE1qeOzo95en44bTjd3YGHWbpNyJvVHz6p1Vpq1SIAZFJkKA0uJ1eJTHidhQD/AEkX+hCM6dWyqzkRoLw8y05QhxhBxkSRxZzHI=; X-YMail-OSG: OIeG2zoVM1m2KJJDxIKKJsovCEkvx4Q2CmaqUajAkm2P299vr2ZdWvK_WdhPvzCilbL5ofmTjnGd8XJAJzFzymHbzSUeBdsWwTv2a8S7lbf.0Enrvix6nm.HTv_uTg-- Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 23:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <565849.12960.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8zj3R.A.scB.cPl2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74093 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:10:36 +0000 (UTC) fine with me,learning is power! Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides > off of this site > > > > no > > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they > are. > > YES. i like as is! > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 06:50:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FD173BFB3; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:50:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <689rhp$233pbe@OutRelay-b08.libero.it> X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAH/52UaXLB55/2dsb2JhbAA From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: re;OT favorite mastering chain Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:50:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <000601c7ecec$0f4e86b0$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcfsI04A3etRipO3QtSh3cxd4Ue3GAAyKR5gAA/Ii3A= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74094 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:50:46 +0000 (UTC) As far as mastering goes: Has anyone tried to use the DSD as a format for mastering? I explain: I am currently looking around for a stereo master recorder, and I am currently reading the manuals and searching info on two machines: the Korg mr1000 (which is a portable dsd hard disk recorder with a couple of mic pres and phantom power integrated - the fact that it can be also as a field recorder at the dsd quality or at up to 24bit 192khz powered from AA batteries is a plus for me, since lately I am working with classical music players and am recording all the rehearsals in the various auditoriums and theatres we play) and the Tascam DVRA1000HD which is a similar machine, minus the mic pres, the phantom and the portability (only powers with mains). Has anyone tried those? I have tried the Tascam DVRA1000 (which is the same machine as the dvra1000hd minus the hard disk) and I find a great quality, but problems with the dvd-r support compatibility, the hdd one should have no such problems but costs almost twice the Korg Mr1000... As far as mastering goes, it depends on the kind of sound I want to obtain... Usually I work with software, and in the end I too use: a parametric EQ then the signal goes in a multiband compressor Then a limiter (just to tame some peaks... I like my mixes to sound dynamical, since I am working with classical material (violins, quartets, grand pianos, lutes etc...) When I work on my looping pieces I usually put last in chain an old behringer magician that I have modified (This is the one with 8 ins and 8 outs and 8 valves in it and that basically filter the channels through valves, to warm up the tone a bit, then if I have a free reel I record everything through my old akai reel to reel recorder. Next I resample everything on my pc to cut the cd... Peace Luigi -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: domenica 2 settembre 2007 1.02 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: re;OT favorite mastering chain Are you using analogue source tape, or only analogue mastering gear? Why? Rainer > I go from mixed tape to EQ, to Valley 440 dynamics > processors, to BBE Maximizer, to recording device. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 06:56:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BFF03BFA7; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.235] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070902065047.377D73BFC0@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: POLL Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 23:56:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Sep 2007 06:56:05.0888 (UTC) FILETIME=[554F3000:01C7ED2E] Resent-Message-ID: <839jNB.A.-LD.I6l2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74095 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 06:56:09 +0000 (UTC) 2 _________________________________________________________________ Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.windowsmobile.com/hotmailmobile?ocid=MobileHMTagline_1 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 07:11:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630833BFC8; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=wa60r+a880iHukpXuJcSeNfGYgy6ympFBUofvnPWXe/KZ/MPEcNUKXx1tZn6jeGlMk1P1tc0L6bhOKh4qP+vZeldTHQi5KaByiTB/yNqhrc8aLSaH06xEGBcW7mqhhugN+2MybrcdenRnRmPaQqCgaqpeTCaWP+GqtbJDp4Iu8k=; X-YMail-OSG: VE4QdXgVM1nI2r1KQFZo5kf.yjydIKwzT1_.QFBru.YOPrXxznpRklwSu4hXao_bXxQWQ_HfKuA_sWTmWVspdC2bx0HaxHTVXgGdc7jfulA9u2tBVccH.VD1GhYzsQ-- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: re;OT favorite mastering chain To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <689rhp$233pbe@OutRelay-b08.libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <91120.80229.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74096 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:11:32 +0000 (UTC) Howdy. I think the Korgs are the way to go. 1 bit high sample speed recording, I think, is going to get more popular. in.re. the 1 bit CD playback machines from the 80s. They sounded good. I'm sure it won't be long for interfaces to turn up, but transfering audio to audio should sound pretty danged good. Rig --- Luigi Meloni wrote: > As far as mastering goes. Has anyone tried to use > the DSD as a format for > mastering? I explain: I am currently looking around > for a stereo master > recorder, and I am currently reading the manuals and > searching info on two > machines: the Korg mr1000 (which is a portable dsd > hard disk recorder with a > couple of mic pres and phantom power integrated - > the fact that it can be > also as a field recorder at the dsd quality or at up > to 24bit 192khz powered > from AA batteries is a plus for me, since lately I > am working with classical > music players and am recording all the rehearsals in > the various auditoriums > and theatres we play) and the Tascam DVRA1000HD > which is a similar machine, > minus the mic pres, the phantom and the portability > (only powers with > mains). > Has anyone tried those? I have tried the Tascam > DVRA1000 (which is the same > machine as the dvra1000hd minus the hard disk) and I > find a great quality, > but problems with the dvd-r support compatibility, > the hdd one should have > no such problems but costs almost twice the Korg > Mr1000... > > As far as mastering goes, it depends on the kind of > sound I want to > obtain... > Usually I work with software, and in the end I too > use: > a parametric EQ > then the signal goes in a multiband compressor > Then a limiter (just to tame some peaks... I like my > mixes to sound > dynamical, since I am working with classical > material (violins, quartets, > grand pianos, lutes etc...) > When I work on my looping pieces I usually put last > in chain an old > behringer magician that I have modified (This is the > one with 8 ins and 8 > outs and 8 valves in it and that basically filter > the channels through > valves, to warm up the tone a bit, then if I have a > free reel I record > everything through my old akai reel to reel > recorder. Next I resample > everything on my pc to cut the cd... > > > Peace > Luigi > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill > [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] > Sent: domenica 2 settembre 2007 1.02 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: AW: re;OT favorite mastering chain > > Are you using analogue source tape, or only analogue > mastering gear? > > Why? > > Rainer > > > I go from mixed tape to EQ, to Valley 440 > dynamics > > processors, to BBE Maximizer, to recording device. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 07:15:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84DFF3BF85; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <008e01c7ed31$16341180$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <565849.12960.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:15:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <52cb6D.A.yvD.rMm2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74097 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:15:56 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe Nah joking 2 Claude Voit ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 8:10 AM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight fine with me,learning is power! Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > > On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote: > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides > off of this site > > > > no > > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they > are. > > YES. i like as is! > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 07:17:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2869A3BFC7; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tlPj16roZkk0B30DPio9kEVNAXZ1iOC69ynqHiwu9ymwKS5/Nsz3phKrb/3+6uZum+2Yk/zD5jIExRrFdm0qhmOH2cq5lPbJdowWYbOjg5y7I+ILyQIgtmZdx/dd8DPS8yHuKzba2+NSSyd+BrJxdYgUTQtr6qLdlLYlehTNoP0=; X-YMail-OSG: 6Llae2IVM1nCi1HqX2BYZr_biboCs7TiDubwuoad7gNosikS9zXTnryiY22k.pMgN8MVECYbYsM8AOoJieFFGjHNA0DtKUN1X3.Tp.NWQh_jHY5imT4- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 00:17:41 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46DA2F45.9030409@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <523534.84404.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9PlSIC.A.S4D.WOm2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74098 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I think the present set-up reqires the 3 lever (leever) analogy. Lever A? Nope. Lever C? Nope. Best to pull on "lever B". Rig --- Daryl Shawn wrote: > Well...I'll also vote 2, things can stay as they > are...but leaving > things "as they are" means keeping the already-fun > OT list, as well as > this list. Ha. > > I guess my vote of #2 means that I think OT > discussion shouldn't require > topic police on this list. Rather, just as it is > now, we keep things > GENERALLY within the viewable horizon of looping. > And people can join > the other one, or not. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 07:19:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B1AE3BFD4; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=pQsEPIrMcYxZdKbums3JEJA4UNuKMw4wYpIjazsJ/iKAzhJKPqUtmxYt3u1xfa9rtSED2h7SqNM86mgbD0T7tj5T4/amX8KYVek1nfQaNA/Aa36qQoHPp2Xzxk+WfhwhPkWzzUMioanZP/oQIlsUYqI84F07sZGx6lQDTg7SX8I=; X-YMail-OSG: s2H1ICIVM1l__aJoeg1o4xb836OVgkYl.y7Kv5yOvdSbJmBjXOqfP1WXMvFYR5Malw-- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:19:39 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: re. Re: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <626538.68292.qm@web26204.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74099 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 07:19:40 +0000 (UTC) nice - thanks RF --- Per Boysen skrev: > On 2 sep 2007, at 00.54, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > I'm trying to look at the streaming video, but it > doesn't seem to > > be working > > (you're talking about the "Tonights Live Concert" > link, right?) > > Yep. I copied the live stream URL into the Quicktime > player and > snagged it with Audio HiJack Pro (Mac rocks!). If > you want to listen > I posted the mp3 at > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Jon_Hassell_Live_Remix_Punkt_Festival.mp3 > > CC'ing this to the On Topic list as well, since I > heard Hassel do > some looping at the end of the piece, although it > was only one repeat > (zero feedback) and a very long loop. > > Going to bed now. > > Good night from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 08:00:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FAD43BFCB; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <0E4421D4-7A1B-48AE-BB39-A0CB6A5C2951@jamesrichmond.com> Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:00:32 +0200 Message-ID: <006101c7ed37$56910fc0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7ED48.1A19DFC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcftMldu70wvlKbvSvq1W5wM4dWxIQABNyoA In-Reply-To: <0E4421D4-7A1B-48AE-BB39-A0CB6A5C2951@jamesrichmond.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74100 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:00:37 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7ED48.1A19DFC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 2 ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7ED48.1A19DFC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C7ED48.1A19DFC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 08:05:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8AA993BFC6; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:05:01 +0200 Message-ID: <006601c7ed37$f679a560$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0067_01C7ED48.BA027560" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcftMk/eKBMjpjVPR72FspGNKr/8bgABUK1Q In-Reply-To: <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74101 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:05:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C7ED48.BA027560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I copied the live stream URL into the Quicktime player and > snagged it with Audio HiJack Pro (Mac rocks!). > If you want to listen I posted the mp3 at > http://www.looproom.com/audio/Jon_Hassell_Live_Remix_Punkt_Festival.mp3 oh Per, I'm such a happy boy! Of course I missed it again but can now listen. Wonderful !!! this makes my day. did JH really just play for 15:28 ? -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C7ED48.BA027560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I copied the live stream URL = into the=20 Quicktime player and 
> snagged it with Audio HiJack Pro (Mac = rocks!).
> If you want to listen I posted the mp3 at
> = http://www.looproom.com/audio/Jon_Hassell_Live_Remix_Punkt_F= estival.mp3


oh Per, I'm such a happy boy!  Of course I missed it = again but=20 can now listen. Wonderful !!! this makes my day.

did JH really just play for 15:28 = ?


-Michael www.michaelpeters.de

 

------=_NextPart_000_0067_01C7ED48.BA027560-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 08:28:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC4EF3BFCF; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZexuDciLvQLqibEEAappAgLWkRcQApSuBxlW1hAwjAfNfWvCY+OfbesLTOugWjeZp3YME8M8vqXTD8pVUfIRMFlQO1+yfbo8eAHR8s+NS7NJ/ODWHGtDbfzJxhOZWxB4rRcyLz94iVkHH67CJQ6HEBEWgzzcVIixvXa77ON9q7I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VOvoddKsYnADWzsKfwpWUmN1wi56W7Y5mJi7gVLuWs7oVSinxn12age3NvWO2zfhdISNcm5XpS01X6sPZFljgBEQqrHFCROBHXH+EX0clGd7lJWBw3jceKQDmLFOGpK0/sbObrw/SFf7zZYTbWPatu4H8wu9oszSzQAg/I8yjN8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <006601c7ed37$f679a560$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> <006601c7ed37$f679a560$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:28:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74102 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:28:32 +0000 (UTC) On 2 sep 2007, at 10.05, Michael Peters wrote: > did JH really just play for 15:28 ? Don't know. I was watching Bugge's web cam every day and most of the time there was nothing, then there were a lot of setting up the stage, a little sound checking. The only concert I managed to catch was this last Hassel gig and it seemed to be almost an hour late (I think Norway and Sweden are in the same time zone and use the same daylight saving system - Aren't we, Rune?). So, I'm guessing there were at least two stages at the festival and Bugge's web cam covered just one of them. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 09:26:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E84B13BFC4; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6djyd0SX4Je8O2vMJsdkO84QqQ2gTuYLCEexydSth0gfqP8RWmfdwoh3sLX5YECZa459/qZKTtFL9YDzoCyjK8N74TeszMZ57IJQVhnL//ZXkcI81oXvQ+zNxQf5XLU/reoYev54fP4jz4KX8NQ9xooGw9fYovT/QUtIeFlu2xU=; X-YMail-OSG: SWIJ6HMVM1knqw.XbteE_TyG4phOts4v8jxjj.XeP8IYSMImf77KnNn0Shu1JMHGF5iBG1B_qCg7fPHUKNtBFngEBe7ZM9WopxqWbecVUQmqrN88uS8Uf4j.vCk- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:26:35 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: re. Re: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <427550.62281.qm@web26205.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74103 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:26:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I think that only the remix-conserts where streamed. Dont know - but I think Hassell played 2 or 3 times all together - but this was all that were sent on web. RF --- Per Boysen skrev: > On 2 sep 2007, at 10.05, Michael Peters wrote: > > > did JH really just play for 15:28 ? > > Don't know. I was watching Bugge's web cam every day > and most of the > time there was nothing, then there were a lot of > setting up the > stage, a little sound checking. The only concert I > managed to catch > was this last Hassel gig and it seemed to be almost > an hour late (I > think Norway and Sweden are in the same time zone > and use the same > daylight saving system - Aren't we, Rune?). So, I'm > guessing there > were at least two stages at the festival and Bugge's > web cam covered > just one of them. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 09:44:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 150273BFBA; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c7ed45$f6d66300$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> <1188691167.46d9fcdf75b39@webmail.musetrap.com> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:45:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18e9VTpXCsUXqIRwuQaUdbnlgqYC2dH3KswQ0p TsSSaMfUowQBZrk5MU4q6KUNWYlTTFq4qrgPfVWNKKPUw8YPq+ rGD6XJ+v2QMRKpZnS3tVGdRgiz5G7Xh Resent-Message-ID: <4EuEdB.A.Pc.WYo2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74104 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 09:44:55 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 10:41:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12B213BFC9; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:41:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3389F4F9-1059-42D7-9DDE-8905213EE83A@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: leon Subject: roland sp555 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:40:52 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74105 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:41:00 +0000 (UTC) ..is useless as a live looper it seems from this quick review i found =20= online. Just another backward looking DJ box. http://forums.rolandclan.info/?=20 action=3Dshow_thread&fid=3D3&thread=3D20638&s=3D&e=3D "Okay, i have manage to get my hand on a 555 and i will answer any quiestions posed. However there where a few expectations of the 555 which i have =20 investigated and have found to be a myth. Reviews usual start with the good then the bad and then overal im sure once i get use to it it will have is pros, but my immediate =20 expectatioins where a dissapointment and here they are.. Does the 555 keep the music going NO Can you sample when using Loop capture NO How good is loop capture Ok Long version Loop capture does what it says and works the way you expect it. over dub works just as well So what happens once you have your loop what can you do with it. There is a SAVE TO PAD button which you would expect to do what it says. IT DOES NOT It should have been named RECORD TO PAD Because what it does is play the loop capture sample and the pad =20 chosen records what is being played. Maybe you can live with that, but what makes this really bad is that =20 while you have LOOP CAPTURE playing and press SAVE TO PAD it STOPS =20 loop capture from playing. If you time it right you can do as follows SAVE TO PAD(loop capture stops playing) PLAY(loop capture) now it starts playing again Press a pad and your now recording to the pad However at the end of the loop your pad has captured the loop, but the 555 does not continue playing =20= the loop its stops it and you have no music The first time you use LOOP CAPTUIRE you must press line in to allow =20 your external source to be captured. Press Rec to start the capture, press play to replay the loop. press Rec to goto over dub (or use a pedal) Problem.... you external source is not being recorded??? why? because when you recorded your first pass and pressed play the 555 disabled LINE IN This means once you have captured a loop, before pressing REC(over =20 dub) You must once more press LINE IN Now there is absolutely no reason why SAVE TO PAD has to stop the =20 loop capture from playing, it should simply retrigger it or once you press the pad to capture to, IT will retrigger it. Roland don=92t seem to understand the idea that the music is not =20 suppose to stop unless we tell it to do so. Roland seems to impose its own will on others rather than allow =20 others to make decisions for themselves. So that=92s all the myths gone about the 555 and 15 seconds loop capture time?? why is it only 15 seconds? This is =20= an artificial restriction imposed for no technical reason other than =20 to force you to buy more gear. only 12 pads mono can playback at any time, what about the other 4 =20 and why not stereo (32 voice) Maybe you will still like the 555 after al that Overall the SP555 is Not as useful as it should be and is NOT to be =20 seen as a LIVE performance tool because of the fact that is does not =20 allow to music to flow but instead if you try to do more than one =20 task the music STOPS! If you have the sp404 and upgrading it maybe worth the extra few =20 dollars if you get a good price for the 404, I got 320 and paid 449 =20 for the upgrade so its a good deal. Just be aware of what your =20 getting. THIS IS NOT A LIVE PERFORMACE TOOL i will play with it for another 28 days before i decide to return it =20 (who knows)" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 12:59:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F203F3BFD5; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01c201c7ed61$273c1c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: 24 HOUR POLL RESULTS: 1 = 32 2= 0 3=1 and 2 uncommitted Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:59:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74106 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:59:36 +0000 (UTC) In the last 24 hours since I took this poll we have 32 people who voted for leaving things as they are (no new list for off topic votes) No one voted for option 1 which was to have a separate list (although the person who wanted the offtopic posts moderated, Mark Sottilaro hasn't voted yet and I imagine but am not sure, that our fearless leader, Kim Flint probably would vote 1 as well). one person voted 3 one person said either 1 or 2 but liked the new option 3 as well. and then there was Michael Klobuchar's post which I haven't figure out yet. (help me out Scootster------ a 1 or a 2?) In just the last 35 posts of people who voted in the poll, this is a virtual landslide. Everyone seems to want to just keep LoopersDelight the unmoderated forum that it has been since it's inception. I vote for that as well (I didn't vote at first because I wanted the results to be impartial and I was taking the poll). Let's start posting about looping! What a great idea. Yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 14:42:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38D963BFD1; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 10:42:22 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: 24 HOUR POLL RESULTS: 1 = 32 2= 0 3=1 and 2 uncommitted In-reply-to: <01c201c7ed61$273c1c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013501c7ed6f$7a370f50$3702a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcftYRv0kvSojLw8R4ae/sfMD68S+wADjytg References: <01c201c7ed61$273c1c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74107 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:42:26 +0000 (UTC) I vote 2 as well, and want to thank you, Rick, for taking the initiative to call the question. 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Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G3qo+w0a0JekbP6pIORCuxHgc06EjatDCbFjERgeTfTDkK31ObVVQ35jc7CTCVTjUIZwbUtHWOivb79lAnN2hThhRGCkob8AT8x8obO4yVYuYDfdGivqQBI4lpSDyU4oe7y/Tmbbjx+Ifa6Ujg99mxGFA3YYlu2zHuOzsmLGm8g=; X-YMail-OSG: _wfAFQQVM1kao9J2KYnqfqUJXATHfMKCr6h3Ed9opUKZzvn4K_tYnp5Yek964_Mfn.hIgCY4UKXbDltpLtiLq9EaNWUV_1qkSqp92NnJtCUh_VN2uP5hBGFMc5MZs9c- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:57:12 -0700 (PDT) From: rabbirabbifive Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <232250.18795.qm@web60325.mail.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74109 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 15:57:13 +0000 (UTC) 2 It's fine as is “I saw too many people die, and a lot of people didn’t see any of that. 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Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:02:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7AF1B3BFDE; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:02:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-UNTD-OriginStamp: wE15mMxaCGdImpQmRPxb5Jm4wlB7kY+TKygQQd97lmRc6En0/BI7yQ== X-Originating-IP: [206.193.127.2] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "Weg" Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:00:08 GMT To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20070902.120008.23754.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com> X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary="--__JWM__J324e.23daS.5941M" X-ContentStamp: 3:4:1110915117 X-MAIL-INFO:1b7059e1c0f049c0f175f049c9507975a5b9a5809590e0954d818120e0a4ad29c049cd59a06dc0adf9dda900b07d5d5d195db070 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.171.12.159|webmail19.dca.untd.com|webmail19.dca.untd.com|theweg@netzero.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74110 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:02:05 +0000 (UTC) ----__JWM__J324e.23daS.5941M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote:1) There should be an off= topic list that resides off of this site no 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. I'll take the number two with a large juice! Thanks,Oh no juice, how ab= out a decafe tea??? weg _____________________________________________________________ Click here to increase your salary by earning an online degree. http://3rdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2211/fc/Ioyw6ijmibmkovP7IHJEcFVhcbP= RPy4B61EdZbiB4s0q8DvVeoYDHc/ ----__JWM__J324e.23daS.5941M Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On Sep 1, 2007, at 4:27 PM, RICK WALKER wrote:

1)  Ther= e should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site



no

2)   It'= s fine , we can leave things the way they are.

I'll take the number two with a large juice!
 
 
Thanks,
Oh no juice, how about a decafe tea???
 
 
weg


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 ----__JWM__J324e.23daS.5941M-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:16:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93FB13BFDA; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mEpRHtrzIsZ5nVU+JWzYrzHFECpCqat5g76hKTEkPRbBthg6AtHS8P6zlRBFwUIK/A/4lMC+MkVcLvdgY34VNkHfO02KPv6n6s5ZPMxtfTSY4fFfl8yJs7zbL5qWd7bmiBibl1um+8b5ZTo83imR8z2LaYafXtF0dcUHYIZQZd8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pXg69OWOkxzn7e7kki9ZcDJFuGRTd0jue3KXwVegX3rzRbDQfMni0t7TxdY6rieuue0chLzTVUWIfBFd1qUZB1QjPc7XKAUUylVYWcxeWqdlCdL3GDFi9W5bSWMv3PJLUlY4V4GxoBYxpxpWtP2yMRBkvlwc89aPpZ5LGPJ+zhk= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:16:39 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: 24 HOUR POLL RESULTS: 1 = 32 2= 0 3=1 and 2 uncommitted In-Reply-To: <01c201c7ed61$273c1c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7726_21161556.1188749799367" References: <01c201c7ed61$273c1c90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: <_h8Z8.A.ROH.oHu2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74111 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:16:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7726_21161556.1188749799367 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm sorry, but I believe this post is off-topic. Please move it to the off-topic list. Kthxbi. :) ------=_Part_7726_21161556.1188749799367 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I'm sorry, but I believe this post is off-topic.  Please move it to the off-topic list.  Kthxbi.

:)
------=_Part_7726_21161556.1188749799367-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:37:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 93F983BF91; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-10 required=6 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Message-ID: <003601c7ed7c$f2c828c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 12:18:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0033_01C7ED5B.6B310510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74112 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:37:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C7ED5B.6B310510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable your right michael, er, ah, I voted 2 to keep it like it "IS" not what = it was......trick question, I demand a recount!.........Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight i find this poll a bit late.....there is an LDOT group already set up = .......michael=20 www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.13.1/982 - Release Date: = 8/31/2007 5:21 PM ------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C7ED5B.6B310510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0033_01C7ED5B.6B310510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 16:37:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF10B3BFEC; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:37:25 +0100 Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight From: Greg Mills To: RICK WALKER , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Thread-Index: Acftf4rhyTbYT1lyEdyZ1QAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7ed5e$b1ff0f20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <5sDJBD.A.pK.Jbu2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74113 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 16:37:29 +0000 (UTC) 2) RICK WALKER wrote: > What's your vote, Greg? Well Rick, I am going with Daryl's definition of 'keeping things as they are'. My preference would be to allow both. I'm happy for others to do use another list as long as it doesn't detract from my LD experience. But, I'm also happy for us to carry on using prefixes to categorise OT posts. As it has been pointed out, once you've set up a few filters it's easy to sort posts based on their relevance to looping. A bit like a mail server which has a dual-threshold spam filter. Those who can't spare the time to read everything would have the ability to sort posts into three categories, on-topic, off-topic for subjects not directly linked to looping, and the alternative list for everything else. Those of us who want the Full Monty can have that too. It seems to me that some very interesting things happen when you allow events, performances or conversations to go off on a tangent, so I wouldn't want us to get too hung up on rules and definitions. The bottom line for me is that I have learnt so much from the incredible amount of knowledge and experience that you all share here that I would not want this stream of consciousness to be reduced in any way. Long live Loopers Delight! PS Sorry about the lengthy post, but I wanted to explain my choice. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 17:02:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB23C3BFC2; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QJ5CvrBaYnxeJAEH3vIZqSroIpW0oYq4/D2mdtT3Ym80VO9w45z98KjB9QaV5dFGe87eNkwPhCPJRCexl2i9GrR+6LccK44FetNQtPUzEQOTne7rg0pKRhW6rDP/d0XD0VYAWQKueiRCHzWb0WsZp2kLtuFTPV5qaFD7xo2s8mE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H7QsEc/ZWbdiug7bAj+OH4Z4Yk0EVHeI4Kwq1/4OU2YbMrBeAjt4ITV+Twu26PYkNjYl5+F+mWFJjrRib1lgrPIlLQ6/C4c2bOb1nIy2fKcpMT1tXQfG10e+X1xycSBl4Lopu1jDPtFeGiAKGRQ4x6fk3x0jNaUsSxE4Fz67Suc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:02:44 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <00bd01c7ed5e$b1ff0f20$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74114 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Well, it would be if people were consistent about labeling threads as OT or not, but they aren't, and there's a lack of consensus regarding even what is OT. TH On 9/2/07, Greg Mills wrote: > As it has been pointed out, once you've set up a few filters it's easy to > sort posts based on their relevance to looping. A bit like a mail server > which has a dual-threshold spam filter. Those who can't spare the time to > read everything would have the ability to sort posts into three categories, > on-topic, off-topic for subjects not directly linked to looping, and the > alternative list for everything else. Those of us who want the Full Monty > can have that too. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 17:57:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 342353BFE2; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=aGIlcmZFino9IBofBVdD6PkqzDcXrdkHgziJsVTCgdmWtCQw1exZpBrTkrBYrLG5o+Gdlh3Rqat8tkk4eTCDRFNp0ad/Z2UTJQhvUpZUFLe0qhnP7g2aBi6SEyxrThZLU0UoDakhdXQ+fXncFqoPB4HhBiCRDUW2WYc8grGFZl4=; X-YMail-OSG: _nIx.08VM1kS7dR8EJGToU5uRcVOkWbXF9s2LJVDjUueVpg9ZlIRI7E7T.k6JC.I0Q-- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 10:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: OT: FS Acoustic Modeling Preamp To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <416675.5020.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74115 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Hey max how much are u asking for it? cheers Luis --- max valentino wrote: > > > Hi Loopsters.... > I am selling a preamp which may be of interest to > those of you on the list who use acoustic guitars. > > I have a new DTAR MamaBear Digital Acoustic Preamp > for sale. There has been a thread recently about > modelers, and this is the one modeler which I like. > Rather than trying to morph your gtr into something > it is not, it allows you to rather "layer" the sound > of your own gtr in with the sound of some very > classic acoustic gtrs (various Martins, slope and > jumbo Gibsons, L5, Maccaferi, Taylors and even > National dobros...), as heard from several feet away > (the "acoustic" sound of the instrument). > It also does wonders to remove any of the dreaded > piezo "chirp". > Designed to work with UST and Mag Soundhole pickups > (won't work with dual source, SBT, or mics). > Features bypass, phase invert, in and out level > controls and a fine and usable DI. > (from the DTAR site...) > "For years, acoustic guitars have relied on pickups > for amplification. One problem: Even the best > acoustic guitars deliver an oversimplification of > true acoustic tone complexity when amplified. Using > something called AGE™ technology, Mama Bear takes > your guitar into the digital realm, neutralizes the > pickup, and then restores the natural body > resonance. The result: now the finest acoustic > guitars can sound like, well… themselves. Only > louder." > Provides 16 different digital filter choices to > neutralize the sound of your pickup so the AGE™ > technology can go to work. . AGE™ technology > provides 16 amazing guitar sounds emulated from 16 > amazing guitars, from parlors to super jumbos. > Allows you to dial up the guitar that matches your > guitar's body shape, or emulate other shapes. > > I have used it with great success on my Godin > semi-acoustic basses, as well as other ABGs. I am > selling only cos the Rick Turner (who designed the > MamaBear) basses I am now using just don't really > need this little bit 'o magic (yes, they really do > sound THAT good!). LAst week I did a solo gig where > I forgot to pack the MamaBear. Running the Turner > basses straight into a Demeter Tube DI and onto an > AI amp sound incredible...so I am giving thought to > slimming down my setup (again). > Tho designed for acoustic gtrs....acoustic basses > benefit from it as well. > I don't really like modelers....they just don't do > it for me, but the MB does. It has fantastic sound > (with basses and even moreso on acoustic gtrs....) > Very clean and warm and simple to use. > It is barely 2 mos old (the second of these I have > bought...) and comes with power supply, soft DTAR > case and mic stand mount adaptor > E mail me privately off list if interested. > > Max > _________________________________________________________________ > Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger  > http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 18:04:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A08933BFE6; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709021804.l82I4Qlc010525@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:04:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7ED51.08D30710" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acfti7UEqoPmHU2iQzSp8p7CJsYkTw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74116 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:04:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7ED51.08D30710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I vote for 2 God I love my civic duty. Hey, While I have your attention, I'd like to lead you all in a sing along of my favorite Elvis tune, The Ghetto. I'll sing lead and everyone just chime in on the chorus. Everybody ready? a 1 a 2 a1234... As the snow flies On a cold and gray Chicago mornin' A poor little baby child is born In the ghetto (everybody!) IN THE GHETTO And his mama cries 'cause if there's one thing that she don't need it's another hungry mouth to feed In the ghetto (just the lap top users) IN THE GHETTO People, don't you understand the child needs a helping hand or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day Take a look at you and me, are we too blind to see, do we simply turn our heads and look the other way Well the world turns and a hungry little boy with a runny nose plays in the street as the cold wind blows In the ghetto (ok now the hardware folks) IN THE GHETTO And his hunger burns so he starts to roam the streets at night and he learns how to steal and he learns how to fight In the ghetto (woman and children only) IN THE GHETTO Then one night in desperation a young man breaks away He buys a gun, steals a car, tries to run, but he don't get far And his mama cries As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man face down on the street with a gun in his hand In the ghetto (everybody really big now) IN THE GHETTO As her young man dies, on a cold and gray Chicago mornin', another little baby child is born Thanks everyone, now can we get back to the normal topics, please? Or am I going to have to ask everyone to keep singing classic songs with me? Don't make me have to start singing El Paso by Marty Robbins, OK? That's a really long song. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7ED51.08D30710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I vote for 2

God  I love my civic duty.  Hey, While I have your = attention,   I’d like to lead you all in a sing along of my = favorite Elvis tune, The Ghetto. I’ll sing lead and everyone just chime in on the chorus. Everybody  ready?

 a  1 a 2 a1234…..

As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Chicago mornin'
A poor little baby child is born
In the ghetto

 

(everybody!)

IN THE GHETTO


And his mama cries
'cause if there's one thing that she don't need
it's another hungry mouth to feed
In the ghetto  

 

(just the lap top users)

IN THE GHETTO

People, don't you understand
the child needs a helping hand
or he'll grow to be an angry young man some day
Take a look at you and me,
are we too blind to see,
do we simply turn our heads
and look the other way

Well the world turns
and a hungry little boy with a runny nose
plays in the street as the cold wind blows
In the ghetto

 (ok now the hardware folks)

 IN THE GHETTO

And his hunger burns
so he starts to roam the streets at night
and he learns how to steal
and he learns how to fight
In the ghetto

(woman and children only)

 IN THE GHETTO

Then one night in desperation
a young man breaks away
He buys a gun, steals a car,
tries to run, but he don't get far
And his mama cries

As a crowd gathers 'round an angry young man
face down on the street with a gun in his hand
In the ghetto

(everybody really big now)
IN THE GHETTO


As her young man dies,
on a cold and gray Chicago mornin',
another little baby child is born

 

 Thanks everyone, now can we get back to the normal topics, please? Or am I going to have to ask everyone to keep singing  = classic songs with me? Don’t make me have to start singing El Paso by Marty Robbins,  OK? =  That’s a really long song.

Thanks

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_008C_01C7ED51.08D30710-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 18:04:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6580C3BFE9; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ldoMhYrjUXDWnQBI5pxgRQUqEaV1ilwr708FhABmr6kh3OiVXsmh33lbf/Qhk9bfZr3w9XsZRQYdrI37ZPUKVBFFERF8vlhwTQ2tl/RCBJIarQfxCT8fwHqnSdM6cTVqkpor3yrC03+jtK9IKug/w0UePL+yc2u9tUX9bkybqXE=; X-YMail-OSG: iZ9asQkVM1ng5gBmcJaRYjZKRato7qIWADrcDBPtPj7ENyZG0fdh6ng8adGv_83XTUPZqGcITCMdGJSiDy9q_kNrzJeJ3hCrpsQwm.qjEQcTA6Jm.3U- Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 11:04:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <20070829210554.306720@gmx.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74117 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and had a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks it goes away anybody know what that might be or how i can try to fix it myself?i sprayed contact spray but it wont do it, id like to give ti a try before sending it back to the U.S from Germany, you would think those guys would at least test their mods before sending them out grrrr! thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 18:18:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABCF23BFE0; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <20070829210554.306720@gmx.net> <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 14:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: <024d01c7ed8d$9ec2d9d0$dc488d70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfti8Qf8ZwFdks2TBa9ewRLJ3kMHgAAbAMQ Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18uPwu5cHRIfh55z5ceXtqBzep6ew+fIPYXGLR y6x1wvlQhUh3Oof16/Qhdz8NxG2vOMe2ohVHkGW9G5bG9bvP2x ZT/fVky56aMFWa14wlHnZ7BB7JM46Wn/e/rzpdpSmQ= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74118 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:18:23 +0000 (UTC) I had read about this mod, but my DL4 never had the problems the mod was supposed to correct. Anyone else get it and notice a difference? Dave Eichenberger: http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives Hi folks, i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and had a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks it goes away anybody know what that might be or how i can try to fix it myself?i sprayed contact spray but it wont do it, id like to give ti a try before sending it back to the U.S from Germany, you would think those guys would at least test their mods before sending them out grrrr! thanx Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 20:43:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6022B3BFD6; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:43:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=K9HKVo4hhj6Roywr4Gb/j86+V5ahc2JFT4kjbmp+fN/jYFSQ56LsqBPivZ5/YzpIE817cp25vxjg2oV4DAvaSz/756qON/wCss1ZU3HglpIcEcRXnnSurjWV7zv2lcePcIcMiVIFaCdh5+f7o/X8K9QyiTvAqc96WaI5JZHfvMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XHO6YB/hG4pl7USmEOrUtQjc0X63T3cpBAQ9nufR0A5BGrfwbE2yJGOeyEKmJe7Nnj00IRzxGq9WaQD3G5/qKgDm19W9EGMzhfxLzgMx9EzS2UejHscuZrFPge6f0HLM1AgdcKs8+0WRj7qAqX2Fc6wsGp/TSOtnDZ5q5Im2fjc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:43:20 -0700 From: "Doug Wellington" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! In-Reply-To: <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070829210554.306720@gmx.net> <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74119 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 20:43:22 +0000 (UTC) > i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and had > a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is > soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i > wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks it > goes away anybody know what that might be or how i can > try to fix it myself? OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a different cable? Doug From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 2 22:08:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD60C3BFE4; Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:08:18 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=2024=20HOUR=20POLL=20RESULTS:=A0=A0=201=20=3D?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=2032=A0=20=A0=A0=202=3D=200=A0=20=A0=20=A0=203=3D1=A0=20?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A0=A0=20and=202=20uncommitted?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d27.1199f094.340c8e52_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <6QYyfC.A.sAD.WRz2GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74120 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 22:08:22 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d27.1199f094.340c8e52_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/2/07 8:59:53 AM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > then there was Michael Klobuchar's post > 1.....der ya go!.....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_d27.1199f094.340c8e52_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_d27.1199f094.340c8e52_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 00:37:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C483F3BF1C; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 17:40:48 -0700 Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) Cc: To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: Scott Drengsen In-Reply-To: <000c01c7ed45$f6d66300$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Message-Id: <5078B34C-59B6-11DC-BD1C-00050263BC96@earthlink.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74121 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 00:37:53 +0000 (UTC) unsubscribe On Sunday, September 2, 2007, at 02:45 AM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > 2 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 03:07:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4C023BF1A; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 03:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070902195403.02c66610@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:10:00 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Quite enough, don't you think?... :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-24A84F0F Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74122 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 03:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, Wow, where to begin... I personally am rather used to the off-topic nature of this list, having been on / off it for a while, but really, if it's really that important to some to have another list, than no biggie as far as I'm concerned. However, I think it's simply ridiculous that now, even after this other list has been formed, now the off topic posts are reflexive of the decision of whether a post should be posted here or there! I mean OMG!!! This is generating just as much OT noise as any of the actual original OT posts! Bloody hell! I'm actually finding this stuff way more frustrating, annoying etc... than any previous so called OT material. lol! Go figure!... If the people here still want to be OT then fine, so be it, let's just post what we post and let members of the other list do the same. If we want to be strictly on topic, then let's do THAT; but this waffling back / forth is even noisier and way not as fun as good salsa recipes! :) I hope this makes sense, and of course, these are just my thoughts... Have an awesome day and I do hope the list can figure out a direction (whatever that may be) and just go with it... All my best to all of you!... Smiles, Cara :) --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 07:14:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A71AC3BF2B; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:14:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002f01c7edfa$2844e880$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <008101c7eceb$12998870$3702a8c0@macbookxp> <2E6CE399-D660-4CBB-B553-2BF89FC107F1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Hassel on topic at Punkt Festival Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:15:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18o7x2Zo8/Eql3O/XMRTjb0drxrfo5uPFIIDKp AsBZ8Ez5eGWbTLJ9uC5UuOmjQfH4DFnxKRXgqJ1C8IC1Msqhmw 9dC924FSg2LsmbgaHAaBrSd/TD6k73t Resent-Message-ID: <-pnhU.A.IlB.nR72GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74123 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 07:14:47 +0000 (UTC) great! have you, per, or anyone else, captured a set with arve henriksen? i would be very interested in hearing that. soul long - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 08:48:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A55003BF20; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006d01c7ee07$2d4b9ba0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 09:48:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <69LxB.A.GuD.ip82GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74124 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 08:48:34 +0000 (UTC) 2 - why complicate things? ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Sunday, 2 September, 2007 00:27 AM Subject: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight > Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this > possibilitiy of an offtopic list > > Honestly, I think there are far fewer people who object to off topic > posts here > than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure. > > Why don't we find out. > > > Please tell us what you think. > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. > > As a matter of fact, let's not inundate the list with more discussion on > this particular thread. > Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain away > in the previous OT: posts. > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 10:01:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F7003BF28; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:01:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 18:01:27 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <06e601c7ee11$65270820$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20070829210554.306720@gmx.net> <97407.18849.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74125 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:01:42 +0000 (UTC) It does seem to me that you could be experiencing a bad patch cable. If it's the input/output connectors that should be quite easily resolved with a quick dose of contact cleaner. The DL4 is a really nice and would be much nicer if the looping time was expanded with digital time readouts. One other thing though the footswitches are espicially prone to failure. Mine needed replacing just after 3 weeks...bought new. Another thing to note if you do use the polarity reverse adaptor jack for use with a One Spot Power adaptor to plug into the DL4's power jack. These adaptor jacks are prone to failure if bent too much too often. I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight volume drop and darkening effects of the bypassed tone. Good Luck. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Wellington" To: Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and had >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks it >> goes away anybody know what that might be or how i can >> try to fix it myself? > > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a different cable? > > Doug > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 10:52:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 588843BF2D; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007601c7ee18$83e9ec80$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 03:52:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74126 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:52:06 +0000 (UTC) Travis wrote: "Well, it would be if people were consistent about labeling threads as OT or not, but they aren't, and there's a lack of consensus regarding even what is OT." Right you are, Travis and but I do believe we have a strong consensus to get on anyone's case who is 1) not correctly using OT indicators on appropriate threads 2) copying old texts so that the daily digest swells to several posts a day 3) change thread names when the subject hasn't changed and/or 4) not changing thread names when the topic has obviously veered way off topic The whole system will work better if we are all a little more sensitive, self aware and thinking about the common good of all on the list. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 13:42:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75B903BF30; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:42:12 +0000 Message-Id: <090320071342.2849.46DC0F34000B071300000B212216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <6g8TdB.A.wEF.38A3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74127 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:42:15 +0000 (UTC) 2 -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "RICK WALKER" > Since we are devoting so much energy to discussing this > possibilitiy of an offtopic list > > Honestly, I think there are far fewer people who object to off topic posts > here > than we are surmising but I realize I don't know for sure. > > Why don't we find out. > > > Please tell us what you think. > > > 1) There should be an offtopic list that resides off of this site > > 2) It's fine , we can leave things the way they are. > > To make this quick, just leave a 1) or a 2) in your message body. > > As a matter of fact, let's not inundate the list with more discussion on > this particular thread. > Just quickly log in with your preference....................explain away in > the previous OT: posts. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 13:49:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5430F3BF48; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:49:40 +0000 Message-Id: <090320071349.23498.46DC10F40007A53300005BCA2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: <2rL_Y.A.dbF.1DB3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74128 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:49:42 +0000 (UTC) There are a few bands using these. Or at least Imacs. Seems reasonable as they are way smaller then a Marshall stack. We had no complaints with those 20 years ago. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Per Boysen > Wonder if the new "all-in-one" iMac would be a good alternative to a > laptop? > http://www.apple.com/imac/ > > Much less expensive, better performance and way larger hard drive. I > have not been able to find a figure on weight or exact measures. But > the 20" model would fit nicely into this soft-case: > http://www.ilugger.com/blue-imac-carrying-case.cfm > > Maybe one should by one of these, use an iPhone as a wireless > keyboard to run Windows XP with Mobius? ;-)) > > Per > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:04:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E07B33BF5A; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ikCSA4LHBydb7GnycudcqW/1LUg8VQEv8+283kQJ7YLoyd8FOL77mSZ4wY67xgnt9ZDdVWvrtZk7RQgh0JtU7p8oPijq45rwDXw0lrl9uVDmfCcVVACJPJ+QY4vWEs1unIxZ4cBYcsLrL/McNcjs3CXdMvkEiOSaNjRh4uR3Nf0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GS+qubZ3mLoWMcZjSfZeuii477KO2MMOOs9gYj3TncUfRJIdAciJKbmkbdj/PViRWHScFLYIC6CFBRSMA6QrgJp4I5aYy5pHyYQnDhwHz/Najy87PbTXaRQdXgcJfLGMxWAby/R7ibia+EwcQdB55ZTE3xmDkSLBC9keaBZIa/A= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <090320071349.23498.46DC10F40007A53300005BCA2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <090320071349.23498.46DC10F40007A53300005BCA2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3EB80987-2978-4373-AA71-32058FE346CA@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:04:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74129 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:04:54 +0000 (UTC) Or maybe the Mini would be good alternative? Just heard they now go 2GHz Core 2 Duo. http://www.apple.com/macmini/ Just the size of a battery driven Marshall practice baby amp. I'd like to research if you can set up system and software to not use a computer monitor. If that's possible the Mini would be the most compact looper. I don't think I'd need to see the graphics if looping with Mobius. It depends on if you can set up the box to do all this on power-up: load the BootCamp system Windows XP and load the Bidule session with Mobius. It's a scaring thought going to a gig with no screen monitor because there might come up an issue that needs an instant fix. Maybe you could keep a 12" flat screen in your pocket or so? Hm... regarding keyboard I think this box has bluetooth which means you can program it with an iPhone? (is that correct, Mark) per On 3 sep 2007, at 15.49, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > There are a few bands using these. Or at least Imacs. Seems > reasonable as they are way smaller then a Marshall stack. We had no > complaints with those 20 years ago. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Per Boysen >> Wonder if the new "all-in-one" iMac would be a good alternative to a >> laptop? >> http://www.apple.com/imac/ >> >> Much less expensive, better performance and way larger hard drive. I >> have not been able to find a figure on weight or exact measures. But >> the 20" model would fit nicely into this soft-case: >> http://www.ilugger.com/blue-imac-carrying-case.cfm >> >> Maybe one should by one of these, use an iPhone as a wireless >> keyboard to run Windows XP with Mobius? ;-)) >> >> Per >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:13:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5DFCE3BF5E; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Native Instruments Kore.... Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 14:13:41 +0000 Message-Id: <090320071413.4517.46DC1695000A57A6000011A52215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74130 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Does anyone use this system? Does it actually host VSTs? I know it gets very high marks from users. Last week we were discussing small pedals as simple hosts for VST effects/instruments with limited controls. This seems to be a similer approach. Although it seems to be more of a control and organizational device. But still, looks very interesting. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:35:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1703BF49; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ch0YRGJGyowO1Ifjuy/sxCikJyoSKaAqmEPTwD2lBixPKkdn7KAZ3xhbN2N0R+rFmO9woR+ZDTuc0zk+CRqENVM9nZCvQ+NSLHokYWXawjHMp9ADacaTLF5uaqSYlhBAEvRQ7152onqW+p/V9glVF9ML4sh0SWlxlAhOXtmOb7Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pkD7QQW1WiMjBQqe8HZnqf18uYNK7mQzhofewX4q/OMDjLLcucVviLcGJnkc1ILuHWCsxj3rtky8boox2X4+QleuVqGIwP45V93GAs7miRB6EKFavhLX48nfY4swedPp2awfM47RSedqUYVSCqqRlWuLa1od/OYEdgRi8X9OCiA= Message-ID: <4759e5740709030735m25cd856cr162917a695298a89@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:35:44 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? In-Reply-To: <3EB80987-2978-4373-AA71-32058FE346CA@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14086_23826363.1188830144918" References: <090320071349.23498.46DC10F40007A53300005BCA2216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <3EB80987-2978-4373-AA71-32058FE346CA@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3luIPC.A.LHH.EvB3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74131 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:35:48 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_14086_23826363.1188830144918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I know it's possible to buy rather inexpensive and smaller touch-screens to carry along with. One of my good colleagues who is committed to 'not touching his computer in performance', and who programs his concerts in Max, simply mounts a little touch screen on his mic stand with a few buttons. the computer starts up the patch as a startup item and he's good to go, his 15 inch laptop closed and hidden a few feet away... so there's not any difference I can see with doing it with a mini. That gives you some visual feedback, AND a substitute for a keyboard for navigating. oh, and because he only needs one trigger to go from preset to preset (looping included which he's made automatic), he uses a mouse on the floor, tapping with his foot. But let's not go TOO far, he's never used a bluetooth wireless mouse for that. too many resources, too expensive and those little standard mice are ubiquitous and inexpensive... I'd *love* to do it all this way, just haven't really taken the time yet, but nice to know I've seen it done... hope this is a useful contribution. oh, Michael's music can be heard at http://earspasm.com, though I don't think he has any diagrams or that he talks that much about technology there. All pieces are written in Max/MSP. And there is one other guy with whom I have the pleasure of working who uses has packed a mini, touchscreen, faderbox and power into an old style briefcase, and essentially 'plays' that as an instrument in the same way as the above... His name is Jesse Stiles and one piece which we've done together is on my myspace page called uforeligions. all best, todd On 9/3/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > Or maybe the Mini would be good alternative? Just heard they now go > 2GHz Core 2 Duo. > http://www.apple.com/macmini/ > Just the size of a battery driven Marshall practice baby amp. I'd > like to research if you can set up system and software to not use a > computer monitor. If that's possible the Mini would be the most > compact looper. I don't think I'd need to see the graphics if looping > with Mobius. It depends on if you can set up the box to do all this > on power-up: load the BootCamp system Windows XP and load the Bidule > session with Mobius. It's a scaring thought going to a gig with no > screen monitor because there might come up an issue that needs an > instant fix. -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------=_Part_14086_23826363.1188830144918 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I know it's possible to buy rather inexpensive and smaller touch-screens to carry along with.  One of my good colleagues who is committed to 'not touching his computer in performance', and who programs his concerts in Max, simply mounts a little touch screen on his mic stand with a few buttons.  

the computer starts up the patch as a startup item and he's good to go, his 15 inch laptop closed and hidden a few feet away... so there's not any difference I can see with doing it with a mini. That gives you some visual feedback, AND a substitute for a keyboard for navigating.  

oh, and because he only needs one trigger to go from preset to preset (looping included which he's made automatic), he uses a mouse on the floor, tapping with his foot.  But let's not go TOO far, he's never used a bluetooth wireless mouse for that.  too many resources, too expensive and those little standard mice are ubiquitous and inexpensive... 

I'd love to do it all this way, just haven't really taken the time yet, but nice to know I've seen it done...   hope this is a useful contribution.

oh, Michael's music can be heard at http://earspasm.com, though I don't think he has any diagrams or that he talks that much about technology there.  All pieces are written in Max/MSP.

And there is one other guy with whom I have the pleasure of working who uses has packed a mini, touchscreen, faderbox and power into an old style briefcase, and essentially 'plays' that as an instrument in the same way as the above... His name is Jesse Stiles and one piece which we've done together is on my myspace page called uforeligions.

all best,

todd



On 9/3/07, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
Or maybe the Mini would be good alternative? Just heard they now go
2GHz Core 2 Duo.
http://www.apple.com/macmini/
Just the size of a battery driven Marshall practice baby amp. I'd
like to research if you can set up system and software to not use a
computer monitor. If that's possible the Mini would be the most
compact looper. I don't think I'd need to see the graphics if looping
with Mobius. It depends on if you can set up the box to do all this
on power-up: load the BootCamp system Windows XP and load the Bidule
session with Mobius. It's a scaring thought going to a gig with no
screen monitor because there might come up an issue that needs an
instant fix. 

--
http://www.toddreynolds.com                    |:
http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic  |:

 
------=_Part_14086_23826363.1188830144918-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:40:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 87E1C3BF48; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 10:40:03 EDT Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bcc.126abca2.340d76c3_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74132 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:40:06 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bcc.126abca2.340d76c3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/3/07 10:05:14 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > regarding keyboard I think this box has bluetooth which=A0 > means you can program it with an iPhone? (is that correct, Mark) >=20 under the header RE: unsubscribe mark wrote: << Me too!>> -----Original Message----- From: Bernhard Wagner LD [mailto:loopdelightml-NDI3MDE=3D-@bernhardwagner.ne= t] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 10:58 AM To: Loopers Subject: OT: unsubscribe <> it seems that mark has abandoned ship due to ot stuff.....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at=20 http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_bcc.126abca2.340d76c3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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regarding keyboard I=20= think this box has bluetooth which=A0
means you can program it with an iPhone? (is that correct, Mark)

under the header RE: unsubscribe mark wrote:

<< Me too!>>

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<<I'll be unsubscribing from LD for a while>>


it seems that mark has abandoned ship due to ot stuff.....m

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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_bcc.126abca2.340d76c3_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 14:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DDD43BF34; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 776574038 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:41:55 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8B75D@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <006d01c7ee07$2d4b9ba0$0201a8c0@eluk1> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Thread-Index: AcfuOJML3wwcSkolT2C7obevN7csmg== References: <006d01c7ee07$2d4b9ba0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Sep 2007 14:41:56.0218 (UTC) FILETIME=[936AD5A0:01C7EE38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74133 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:41:58 +0000 (UTC) 2. definitely & defiantly. without the noise, the signal is dull & lifeless. if I wanted pure tech/science from musicians on a mailing list, I would be emailing kraftwerk instead of you guys. :-) d. From gggggggg_uuuuuu@yahoo.co.jp Mon Sep 3 15:30:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 434 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:30:45 UTC Received: from web3315.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp (web3315.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp [124.83.168.29]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 397163BF2F for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 27045 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2007 15:23:23 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=yj20050223; d=yahoo.co.jp; h=Message-ID:Received:X-RocketDSI:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KA8jzvuy5a+pjWWPVUt39k8/fv/9AgjD++zIJS7uOMphFyMwhwRGyM1q6DTN2RgNS5TGbA5G85Y/D9SpwiZqRh5DJreHbyiTFImBesAk/YBa8R0E3ieuSMJKHEEyuq/r ; Message-ID: <20070903152323.27043.qmail@web3315.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp> Received: from [41.219.214.9] by web3315.mail.ogk.yahoo.co.jp via HTTP; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 00:23:23 JST X-RocketDSI: i=124.83.168.29;s=w Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:23:23 +0900 (JST) From: Dave Morris Reply-To: davemorris_4@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Attn:Sir/Madam, To: looparc@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1956405232-1188833003=:25280" --0-1956405232-1188833003=:25280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp $B?7$7$$%a!<%k%"%I%l%9$r$*CN$i$;$7$^$9?7$7$$%a!<%k%"%I%l%9!'(B gggggggg_uuuuuu@yahoo.co.jp Attn:Sir/Madam, I AM LIBERIAN I NEED YOUR CONSENT TO DEPOSIT MY COMMISSION WITH YOU ($5.5M) I GOT FROM CRUDE OIL BUNKRY DEAL ON THE SEA SHORES OF NIGERIA AND LIBERIA TERRITORY SEND YOUR FULL NAMES CONTACT ADDRESS, AND PRIVATE PHONE NUMBERS.I SHALL COMPENSATE YOU WITH 10%. - Dave Morris --0-1956405232-1188833003=:25280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-2022-jp
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--0-1956405232-1188833003=:25280-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:26:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C18193BF3F; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <0f1301c7ec16$2b3d45e0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <89448D66-F1BB-4F0B-AA82-1449A4BF1F96@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:26:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74134 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:26:12 +0000 (UTC) On Aug 31, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Doug Cox wrote: > On a Macbook Pro, this RAM-shortage might not be a problem - WITH > THE NEW Santa Rosa platform. It is definitely a well-documented > problem with all other Mac/Intel platforms. The new "36-bit" chip > allows access to 4GB, and presumably (this is where I'm not > positive) OSX can really use it all because it doesn't do what > Windoze does (steal some of it). In addition, 32-bit Mac apps can > still only access 2GB each. The limit for 32-bit Mac applications actually seems to be somewhere around 3 gigabytes or so per application. Beyond that the system is pretty good about using extra RAM to support more applications or as a disk cache. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 20:55:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4C23BF3F; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 13:43:04 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Gans Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vps.gdhour.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - trufun.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74135 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 20:55:34 +0000 (UTC) 2 -- David Gans - david@trufun.com or david@gdhour.com Truth and Fun, Inc., 484 Lake Park Ave. #102, Oakland CA 94610-2730 Blog: http://logblog.gdhour.com Web site: http://www.dgans.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 21:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F3CEF3BF52; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/9.0.5 Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 23:06:13 +0200 Subject: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 From: jayrope To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-PopBeforeSMTPSenders: adm@kliklak.net,bottrap@kliklak.net,catering@touchdonttouch.com,choerchms@kliklak.net,donations@kliklak.net,girlsunited@kliklak.net,hardman@kliklak.net,imperial@kliklak.net,janek@kliklak.net,jayrope@kliklak.net,jlistshit@kliklak.net,jrploopers@kliklak.net,kimmoelomaa@kliklak.net,loi@kliklak.net,msblue@kliklak.net,msgreen@kliklak.net,msorange@kliklak.net,msred@kliklak.net,novocaution@kliklak.net,ohsotellus@kliklak.net,pinsky@kliklak.net,reggie@kliklak.net,rls@kliklak.net,rope@kliklak.net,scenic@kliklak.net,siegele@kliklak.net,sighs@kliklak.net,silkkonvertor@kliklak.net,tvworkshop@kliklak.net,underwarps@kliklak.net,usb@kliklak.net X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - minsk.hostforweb.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kliklak.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74136 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Scenic Panner are delighted to perform = live and twice at Ars Electronica = 9.9.07 / 19:30h & 20:45h @ Lentos, Brucknerhaus (Grosser Saal) Donaupark, Linz, Austria Please reconfirm the latest showtimes here: http://www.aec.at/de/festival2007/program/project.asp?iProjectID=13991 Google video (Berlin-Marzahn) http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7490975723997994565&hl=en *used loopers: Electrix Repeater / Lexicon Jamman (forever)* ==== Scenic Panner is a music-controlled super wide screen video application, that creates highly esthetic fly-bys of city panoramas from thousands of single object images taken in Chicago, Berlin and Munich - built/programmed by Urs Hofer and Stefan Bischoff (Zurich/Lucern) and played live by Arik Hayut X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B72C3BEF4; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Lx2zOsQ+CMCRAtVpQ4/AKmMF733n3kwAdEaIwDczdyfkmAZdCUawheWGzK1Rk2o0WgmFxqIz9EuK0KDt3KMVqDxIGIG5T3zqrjOJm8W0ZEotXRbInoZzwf+LPmWe45nXMBJJJFCD6vknBV/Io+GQZHwo+/3oRHObKCevovNastY=; X-YMail-OSG: SmEE2foVM1k4Nw7_hpEz6slHnfmTvF7MuHsT30oh7iR7EGmfhpVi77eJDirC7NeW2lU0xY.x5uFm40MLhLLKBg_0P.70csjeKTFu1GsK8NG0l_sQlXlfOnqtUh1wmw-- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <06e601c7ee11$65270820$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <563821.4898.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8SxEuB.A.I-H.E5H3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74137 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:36:04 +0000 (UTC) Hey Randolf, did you notice a big difference after the mod?unfortunately i havent been able to try mine! cheers Luis > I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight > volume drop and darkening > effects of the bypassed tone. > > Good Luck. > > Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Wellington" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM > Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > > > >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and > had > >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is > >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i > >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks > it > >> goes away anybody know what that might be or how > i can > >> try to fix it myself? > > > > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a > different cable? > > > > Doug > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 21:36:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B06D3BF48; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=fbytk2WuYwUNAxZt48ySYnJACSIWmQA8wtL7trpYygA/K4YdF3Ti6F/clRkt2JVlQUUBPyOhMQhkHNQBOM5RV2yUzTN0uiGyoBVGllhd8Zbdf42zmwzWURGSCNXJAX2ngH45MwDVQb159sac8M9ey9Xh4yEoA40cV3gz1NPuyT0=; X-YMail-OSG: nOz.eikVM1lmprBCWI5h45kTHmxOVX4NMrIE.jSqY7afzLKzAWc78tboyc3WObPBfAoqcHG1djOXIhZmbFbEGimZ4MHqVYoovvbyIwij.lNDZel0JDJ80mrroz5jwg-- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:36:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <06e601c7ee11$65270820$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <282135.52314.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74138 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Hey Randolf, did you notice a big difference after the mod?unfortunately i havent been able to try mine! cheers Luis > I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight > volume drop and darkening > effects of the bypassed tone. > > Good Luck. > > Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Wellington" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM > Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > > > >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and > had > >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is > >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i > >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks > it > >> goes away anybody know what that might be or how > i can > >> try to fix it myself? > > > > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a > different cable? > > > > Doug > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. 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Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 21:39:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C46A83BF48; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:39:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Rfh/OJ43DWzeKHW/9Qp5yEpu+SsbjsrHmLVUloStcG4NtEQCbJ2TJpby1TOHBDgmFIk4bdm4pX2M9oKNRvJYyNZLzT7jHiGXwGWT94vOxSo/8j9fuEqZLcdRSPJtr9nZoDmXrijpC7K62Jhx2+P4g/gOO+7os/XqqMy5wRrbR/g=; X-YMail-OSG: NYmENkUVM1mbJg2aCFsgGAF1fR.1pYhqZLLTGaoA23EqRCD3qKLBy.QkVk0LmwNiKg-- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 14:39:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <644066.53122.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74139 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:39:04 +0000 (UTC) yes,many different ones! thanx Luis --- Doug Wellington wrote: > > i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and > had > > a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is > > soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i > > wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks it > > goes away anybody know what that might be or how i > can > > try to fix it myself? > > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a > different cable? > > Doug > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 22:40:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53CBE3BF35; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:40:43 +0000 Message-Id: <090320072240.14039.46DC8D6B00059F61000036D72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74140 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:40:45 +0000 (UTC) Isnt there a way to link 2 computers together to utilize the cpu of both? I seem to remember when the G5's first came out, the University of Wherever linked like 100 G5s to create a supercomputer. I also think Macworld did an article on linking to laptops. If possible, that would fix a lot of issues. You culd use a Powerbook and have a Mini Mac as added CPU power. I think you have to use an ethernet connection, but isnt this possible? MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 22:45:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF8713BF36; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 15:45:40 -0700 Message-ID: <006201c7ee7c$2885c800$79915800$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfubyc2TV68UJERQWCEYS26ps+alAADN7NQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D907602ce00004fb5.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74141 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Great! I don't quite understand about the midi note mapped to an object, but I like the youtube video a lot! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUmrFh0SidA -Qua -----Original Message----- From: jayrope [mailto:jrploopers@kliklak.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 2:06 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 Scenic Panner are delighted to perform = live and twice at Ars Electronica = 9.9.07 / 19:30h & 20:45h @ Lentos, Brucknerhaus (Grosser Saal) Donaupark, Linz, Austria Please reconfirm the latest showtimes here: http://www.aec.at/de/festival2007/program/project.asp?iProjectID=13991 Google video (Berlin-Marzahn) http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7490975723997994565&hl=en *used loopers: Electrix Repeater / Lexicon Jamman (forever)* ==== Scenic Panner is a music-controlled super wide screen video application, that creates highly esthetic fly-bys of city panoramas from thousands of single object images taken in Chicago, Berlin and Munich - built/programmed by Urs Hofer and Stefan Bischoff (Zurich/Lucern) and played live by Arik Hayut X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20DE83BF64; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QKxZ5jUIXnRwjs7zASEJao+rcK+BAbMnsXlX+7Q0pwD9LM920/awpi9UgJxobfTTHwj+nyhiMN/9I8J1ur/6fr1RaYcsqYDavAhLs4kMG1gsTi131jcRMyZ67qAQoocNnV8DhPokaYfvWXSBHY58rtk7E4oeptTWXo25k+lzoqs=; X-YMail-OSG: 3Uk8IFIVM1k9EAMo0ZDVGaIyjgv1kWcqBVtSjKSKBwzVyEzltOclGg.s.C581oTwS8jhWZY9Lb22uKyFlIURsbzAPQdP3EoU8zjTk9Tu2hCfdq1rYPrRnnc8xpxItw-- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8B75D@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <31576.83000.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4agC5.A.2wD.8MJ3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74142 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:05:33 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, You might, but kraftwerk would definately NOT e-mail you back. Rig --- "Goddard, Duncan" wrote: > 2. definitely & defiantly. without the noise, the > signal is dull & > lifeless. if I wanted pure tech/science from > musicians on a mailing > list, I would be emailing kraftwerk instead of you > guys. :-) > > d. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 23:41:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 347063BF43; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:41:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <090320072240.14039.46DC8D6B00059F61000036D72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <090320072240.14039.46DC8D6B00059F61000036D72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Alternative to a laptop? Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:41:16 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_oqhYB.A.QIF.euJ3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74143 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:41:19 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 3, 2007, at 3:40 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Isnt there a way to link 2 computers together to utilize the cpu of > both? I seem to remember when the G5's first came out, the > University of Wherever linked like 100 G5s to create a > supercomputer. I also think Macworld did an article on linking to > laptops. If possible, that would fix a lot of issues. You culd use > a Powerbook and have a Mini Mac as added CPU power. I think you > have to use an ethernet connection, but isnt this possible? You can do this in Logic...setting up the second computer as a Node. --- King Never www.kingnever.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 3 23:41:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66F5D3BF50; Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TsY4A6LJbSVSa2KoudJ/EYsUCG6UZKVPdxanreyAuQU2G5RjxqtK9lHxhUTW6zoTJj2xAgokCxF8mZT1IZr0yxuFO5ZU/FSZM4VLBlxMCm3jc/gNvYLh9vbc4EL8taZrqMudxqgKRAfjO3KgO0pEfVZgze0xc9LADDjRZ2z3JVo=; X-YMail-OSG: Fi.ocNsVM1mtObqpRHblxfLcKzmb4ecNeMYNj8hQJdXkiSFZP1vD0zp33DTG9Q3ITsSJ5jNb1StTWus.yLjlogAY0pedbVj3.Ao9Qyjv56j2Y3TEovIqIQMKR3M0UQ-- Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 16:41:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim - Preamps To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000a01c7e987$a0886aa0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <23367.91242.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74144 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 23:41:43 +0000 (UTC) i also became tired of using my preamp direclty into my mackie mixer,my ears just didnt accept the tone coming out,but hauling amps plus mixers is just too mch for a one man show,once i plugged back into a tube amp that was it, end of the story! wouldnt it be cool to have a mixer with a killer bulit in amp simulator input? Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > > pickup and strings on it....sounds like total > crap when you run it > > > through a regular line input or mixer board, > etc." > > Heh heh...I said that, Rainer, not Luca. :) It > was an exerpt > > I later discovered that Luca didn't say it and hoped > that you would tell me > who made this statement...thanks, I wouldn't have > expected that to come from > Luca. > > > still stand to my comment that for me plugging any > guitar > > (solid body electric or my precious hollow body > PRS, or the > > tons of other guitars I've owned over the years) > direcly into > > a mixer board produces very undesireable results > and tone. > > "For me" it does sound like crap...sterile and > lifeless. > > Plugging an electric guitar (with passive > electronics) directly into the > mixing board produces undesirable results because > the mixer ins have a low > impedance in the 1E2Ohm range. Passive electronics > don't like that. > > Apart from that issue (which you can easily > circumvent by using a DI box), > it may have to do with your choice of sound. > Sometimes, I'm forced to play > unprocessed (like at the y2k6loopfest main festival > gig of which you'll find > the recordings on the festival website) because my > ampsim crashes, but I > wouldn't call it crap apart from my own playing. > (The setup in that case was > Bill's wonderful pink strat into Behringer DI20 into > Firebox mic in and from > there unprocessed to FOH). > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! 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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 00:00:49 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74145 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 04:00:54 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-117852501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Does anyone use this system? Does it actually host VSTs? I know it > gets very high marks from users. Last week we were discussing > small pedals as simple hosts for VST effects/instruments with > limited controls. This seems to be a similer approach. Although it > seems to be more of a control and organizational device. But still, > looks very interesting. I have it. I have to say that I don't use it very much at all. I thought that the multi-timbral approach might be great for doing layers and splits- given this is how I used to work in the 90's- but I think my workflow has evolved over the years and it doesn't really do it for me. I'm actually using it more as a 2in 2 out audio interface alongside the HD3 rig, mostly for auditioning samples in Library Monkey before they are dragged into the sequencer. I think part of the problem is that the audio unit is quite expensive in DSP terms. Loading 4 instances of FM8 in Kore is much more processor intensive than loading 4 FM8's as separate instruments. Jim Richmnd --Apple-Mail-10-117852501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Does anyone use this system? = Does it actually host VSTs? I know it gets very high marks from = users.=A0 Last week we were = discussing small pedals as simple hosts for VST effects/instruments with = limited controls. This seems to be a similer approach. Although it seems = to be more of a control and organizational device. But still, looks very = interesting.=A0

=

I have it.
I have to say that I = don't use it very much at all.

I thought that the = multi-timbral approach might be great for doing layers and splits- given = this is how I used to work in the 90's- but I think my workflow has = evolved over the years and it doesn't really do it for me.
I'm = actually using it more as a 2in 2 out audio interface alongside the HD3 = rig, mostly for auditioning samples in Library Monkey before they are = dragged into the sequencer.
I think part of the problem is = that the audio unit is quite expensive in DSP terms.
Loading 4 = instances of FM8 in Kore is much more processor intensive than loading 4 = FM8's as separate instruments.

Jim = Richmnd
= --Apple-Mail-10-117852501-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 06:20:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50BB43BF37; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:20:42 +0200 Message-ID: <002d01c7eebb$b93baf60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7EECC.7CC47F60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfuuVksXGUX1sg8RtyQpL8tAawdfwAAikdg In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74146 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 06:20:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7EECC.7CC47F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Google video (Berlin-Marzahn) > http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=7490975723997994565&hl=en > *used loopers: Electrix Repeater / Lexicon Jamman (forever)* very nice ... I like the video projection in combination with the music ... it reminds me of Kraftwerk ... Michael www.michaelpeters.de ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7EECC.7CC47F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Google video = (Berlin-Marzahn)
>=20 http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3D74909757239= 97994565&hl=3Den
> *used loopers: Electrix Repeater / Lexicon Jamman=20 (forever)*

very nice = ... I like the=20 video projection in combination with the music ... it reminds me of = Kraftwerk=20 ...

Michael www.michaelpeters.de

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7EECC.7CC47F60-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 07:09:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B986E3BF18; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=jTCvk8dTTBk5zTHkbxDFZJjs3pg1djuwceBwVInLesK9ZPg/Vrr0SVEkDiFCsYVk+C7MdvOK1xlQB7RpHqKSG9OxXWB+UxjBn8Kso0GeVrM4alI9OohwXF4q0MmWvVrTHcdShEs9zfoFxrc6dl7A1tDjWosuhvQu54SpLysgy/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ayqfBLs85KG0kq3DE9SBkgB0YS8xVl+ZWryup9+BHr5JsFgpOkmbA0U0q2TWR1rcsbjyAUq2u5NI2VkxGkMIP+GcO6GwTiOm4qXRH+xVxDimGlm6Ki5H/QrBS6W8j0PSyuhfoUNmHK43070HbZs/jii/B3ubxS1MDRDfs6Lzn5k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <090320072240.14039.46DC8D6B00059F61000036D72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <090320072240.14039.46DC8D6B00059F61000036D72212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <85D634A7-A6E9-411C-8E1D-6B3270635D88@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: linking computers together (Re: Alternative to a laptop?) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:09:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74147 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:09:32 +0000 (UTC) On 4 sep 2007, at 00.40, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Isnt there a way to link 2 computers together to utilize the cpu of > both? I seem to remember when the G5's first came out, the > University of Wherever linked like 100 G5s to create a > supercomputer. I also think Macworld did an article on linking to > laptops. If possible, that would fix a lot of issues. You culd use > a Powerbook and have a Mini Mac as added CPU power. I think you > have to use an ethernet connection, but isnt this possible? > > MFC Yes, it's possible. However, since audio processing is timing critical the particular application must support it. One example is the DAW application Logic where you can simply chain as many Macs as you have around into a "node system". One is the master, where you process audio in Logic Pro and all others run the Logic Node application. On every track in Logic you can chose to activate "node support" to let the system decide if eventually distribute some CPU demanding parts to some of the node computers. Of course something like this is not possible with a real-time live input. In Logic it works because it's an application for producing recorded music and every piece of audio is already recorded to an audio file or programmed as MIDI or automation data. So the "master Logic" knows what will come up in next second and can plan the multiple CPU utilization and distribution of work as a "look ahead" process. Another system is OSC. As far as I know OSC doesn't distribute CPU tasks but rather synchronizes computers. I have not used OSC yet myself, only read about it in the Bidule documentation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 07:17:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B16983BF36; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nLIoRcfBG5iS0uGKBl0yswRj3DCUPsa6KO2LFoLuQSRFAAtXoeubFfonNvRBqV0jCcf0ulrgBm1MedQlHgiabQ9ri1Nj5M7XyHWoyzMkS6YHdXytwXRaFEypx3z6JDUjb0kpqzj6I/k2ZXFWRJH1mHEtVeZ20+Ja1LPdVd5P4gw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Yc01+NPS+bDnlBUpuFPG3dFEJS7nsXUOl8I6fRq+FFSM1gZxGGlTB9/GRbcvqwqjYnC1nUARcZ4hY3RpXHaNIaYthpiTlqjzG/x1Ea7PiJfG7WSBMfLwtKYeyK+FxZgJolW8bSL+uwXO6qVjkZdffPDolsUGh8FutDDkBOR0bF8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002d01c7eebb$b93baf60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <002d01c7eebb$b93baf60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:17:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74148 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:17:49 +0000 (UTC) On 4 sep 2007, at 08.20, Michael Peters wrote: > > Google video (Berlin-Marzahn) > > http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf? > docId=7490975723997994565&hl=en > > *used loopers: Electrix Repeater / Lexicon Jamman (forever)* > > very nice ... I like the video projection in combination with the > music ... it reminds me of Kraftwerk ... Yes, but what IS it? Wonderful stuff. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 07:17:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CC2F3BF4B; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=lphaEgcUx1TbMx4h4McONBmcPnZDFEa/vDAvi4HxKZRMribDNK9pHy78YdcNcOQBC+21CCAmZNuDofH/dgEnAkRa6fWuwhbrtO37vmqZv5Ust+WxIkVjtVnYkaw9mSUDIg02dLdKMLUXredFR4tlFFwbsBJqaXMCW1SQ1r5hPUM= ; X-YMail-OSG: _fERM5EVM1nh.IUqQzOOoaJJVrSZ5uPhX0Aau9Ec6t2sKm9S6kJPnL3.jMEQiqQ6rgE1W_yY36Ier4EPE_EbGeS15fKREmyzoqVLkUVJ4HTb8cbi Message-ID: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: Subject: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:17:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7EED4.762E1F00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74149 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 07:17:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7EED4.762E1F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Yamaha launches today the tenori-on on the UK market (trial market). http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html I think this can be seen as a "live looping tool" even if it does not = follow the classic "guitar into pedal model" so common on this list. I hope it can be bought from other countries too otherwise a small trip = to London should be planned ;-) Ben ------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7EED4.762E1F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Yamaha launches today the tenori-on on = the UK=20 market (trial market).
http://www.glo= bal.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html
 
I think this can be seen as a "live = looping tool"=20 even if it does not follow the classic "guitar into pedal model" so = common=20 on this list.
I hope it can be bought from other = countries too=20 otherwise a small trip to London should be planned ;-)
 
Ben
------=_NextPart_000_006B_01C7EED4.762E1F00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 08:41:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 751DB3BF2A; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:41:22 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <078301c7eecf$66c2ec80$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <563821.4898.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74150 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:41:51 +0000 (UTC) Luis, you still haven't resolved your DL4 problem? Mine's self modded and comparing to my friends' Keeleys yes we both have an improved difference when compared with a stock DL4. What's the diff between mine and a Keeley? Well, Keeley's is a more subtle improvement which is pretty good already. Mine is tweaked just a notch brighter and louder...for my own taste but can be adjusted for individuals' taste. I may want to put a trimpot for easier adjustments but later. Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > Hey Randolf, > did you notice a big difference after the > mod?unfortunately i havent been able to try mine! > cheers > Luis > > >> I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight >> volume drop and darkening >> effects of the bypassed tone. >> >> Good Luck. >> >> Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) >> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm >> http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Doug Wellington" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM >> Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! >> >> >> >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics and >> had >> >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there is >> >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but when i >> >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output jacks >> it >> >> goes away anybody know what that might be or how >> i can >> >> try to fix it myself? >> > >> > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a >> different cable? >> > >> > Doug >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, > news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 09:44:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E40C3BF33; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:44:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Looping on Revoxes Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:44:37 +0200 Message-ID: <004001c7eed8$35bfd720$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7EEE8.F948A720" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfu2DUbpGYn7Mt0SxKGlxwBUR/aKQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74151 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:44:42 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7EEE8.F948A720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on this Fripp diary page: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=7559 a photo of Eno's how-to-loop-with-Revoxes diagram drawn for Fripp -m ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7EEE8.F948A720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

on this Fripp diary = page:
http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=3D&show=3D&= ;member=3D3&entry=3D7559
a photo of Eno's how-to-loop-with-Revoxes diagram drawn for = Fripp

-m =

------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C7EEE8.F948A720-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 10:52:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05FA23BF34; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TCUXluJjsfv4t+OMynW1pVbKgD6sVV0XpXybNOBzUHTkyKKZvWtAbU4ZyV4P698/R/zMCBb8HmbNYbHVkp4085twFQ+a7IoRnB2My3+M/4kd6EFkE0AU9pNNoYXKtV62vjl1vPaGevHk88iiofUeq2RzSSHnGJoU5UR0Y7NyR/o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XvLjAV6mPrlDuXoKpT6WqCpjhrB9WvZdiGbJtgj97rPGreBjuFO+d3OexNBra5XWJ6S9tuY0tsAxtK705uPNaWg7v2WfbhIxYsgz26UsMwwh1ndR7KyzS8oNPQNha9lxqxTpEEnICZe+Mh3FDwgSZH5hgUDXGRiu5aNzXWB40Z4= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:52:18 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping on Revoxes In-Reply-To: <004001c7eed8$35bfd720$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12981_9124606.1188903138942" References: <004001c7eed8$35bfd720$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74152 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:52:22 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12981_9124606.1188903138942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting & curious. Is it possible to enlarge the pictures?. It's difficult to figure out ... 2007/9/4, Michael Peters : > > on this Fripp diary page: > http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=7559 > a photo of Eno's how-to-loop-with-Revoxes diagram drawn for Fripp > > -m > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12981_9124606.1188903138942 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Interesting & curious. Is it possible to enlarge the pictures?. It's difficult to figure out ...

2007/9/4, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:

on this Fripp diary page:
 http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=&show=&member=3&entry=7559
a photo of Eno's how-to-loop-with-Revoxes diagram drawn for Fripp

-m




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12981_9124606.1188903138942-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:21:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52C353BF34; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:21:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: CT on myspace Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:20:55 +0200 Message-ID: <005701c7eeee$0b76ca30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfu6JueNcchgxETTUqJmwdo6ff8aQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <9QCYED.A.hoB.s2U3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74153 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:21:01 +0000 (UTC) with so many musicians and bands having a myspace page (often in addition to their regular website), it occurred to me this morning that the CT Collective deserves a myspace page too. So I created one. http://www.myspace.com/ctcollective The page contains four songs that I chose from the CT repertoire (which currently consists of 448 tracks). The songs will be replaced by other songs at irregular intervals. If you are on myspace, please send friend requests to the CT myspace page! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:32:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D60D3BF47; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:32:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mKe/dph/MvlS4QHWV3TN5osZdBTnexArgwpsSIbxuT6tLzhbMEzu8gOqkXc0WPS7K4M8TYFOC1aSjWk9kzNLzlcDY/qnTwhcAPnJrofd944eVtPfstU95mlk0dEpGVBhChCtAALxuv6k/eyEHSV2aJL+eVDBlpRmB4n5sPKSn+k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=gR3nso+MTvD4P6/f7XURsUfg+iTZCYXJSbw0ArJdMOvpM3KgALnYdqYZCHa3jwTCzbBtNYj1vL2CgQZ2FbRg4+uLk4oaYwqoh/YEqnjVzHAhlZIWRSljfThu128hSCWD9VOEiTu2wJXD14O6ZNv1fnhxAGhpARDCh7a0LgZPUbU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:32:39 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CT on myspace In-Reply-To: <005701c7eeee$0b76ca30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13845_23283414.1188909159145" References: <005701c7eeee$0b76ca30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74154 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:32:42 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13845_23283414.1188909159145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thx Papi ! How nobody else thought about this before? 3 hoorraaas for Michel !!! Raul. 2007/9/4, Michael Peters : > > with so many musicians and bands having a myspace page (often in addition > to > their regular website), it occurred to me this morning that the CT > Collective deserves a myspace page too. So I created one. > > > http://www.myspace.com/ctcollective > > The page contains four songs that I chose from the CT repertoire (which > currently consists of 448 tracks). The songs will be replaced by other > songs > at irregular intervals. > > If you are on myspace, please send friend requests to the CT myspace page! > > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13845_23283414.1188909159145 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thx Papi ! How nobody else thought about this before?
3 hoorraaas for Michel !!!

Raul.

2007/9/4, Michael Peters <mp@mpeters.de>:
with so many musicians and bands having a myspace page (often in addition to
their regular website), it occurred to me this morning that the CT
Collective deserves a myspace page too. So I created one.


http://www.myspace.com/ctcollective

The page contains four songs that I chose from the CT repertoire (which
currently consists of 448 tracks). The songs will be replaced by other songs
at irregular intervals.

If you are on myspace, please send friend requests to the CT myspace page!


Michael www.michaelpeters.de





--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_13845_23283414.1188909159145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 12:34:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFDAC3BF4A; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=heBBnogQNWi8trL9K2QUNZY7yDyHJs6/jnxS4lmyswaR1ryuCadBN3FHfqZTTOQSozLGe6wUHhc7alJWXiIUorRMkkToXdnQqq3/lZKQR4jAs5PIjPepQeCOjwUBwPPESaXFJKpEb4QF3947hXL6Np+c1Js7ZKhyuNWmfeA/Tlc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FPqBPidRvcDUnrxuf90vpXu9DzCJOpZ5Z91GkQQ71GjyBMfRhaRwkgV9VIzY/tDCxxhl0L5qf1Q2yY0OGgLmP/0SERyWEAay0+BlwO/n5TRCBOSs79Cfplt0dS3gIG4ZMwdhP5R8bqzaxHVaHUol7i+PkW/NwQZ3RVreB0uw6WY= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:34:34 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CT on myspace In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13861_16642985.1188909274135" References: <005701c7eeee$0b76ca30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74155 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 12:34:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13861_16642985.1188909274135 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ... wanna type "Michael" of course. Sorry! Emotive moment here while watching the page.. Raul. ------=_Part_13861_16642985.1188909274135 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ... wanna type "Michael" of course. Sorry!
Emotive moment here while watching the page..

Raul.
------=_Part_13861_16642985.1188909274135-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:53:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B35A3BEEA; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:53:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 587123786 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7EF03.629E5309" Subject: RE: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:53:41 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Thread-Index: AcfvA2JTG0ERnX4lSX2JOomSDviYMw== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2007 14:53:42.0613 (UTC) FILETIME=[62DFE850:01C7EF03] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74156 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:53:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EF03.629E5309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=3D&show=3D&member=3D3&entry=3D7= 559 =20 =20 it's "just" two tape decks side-by-side.=20 =20 prepare for some spoddiness- =20 the important stuff isn't really mentioned in these eno-instructions, like=20 how to disable the unused reel motors....=20 how to synchronise the two capstan motors, or disable one of them, so the tape doesn't go slack or break.....=20 the exact angle the two machines have to be parked at so that the tape isn't fouling any of the deck.....=20 how to defeat any tape-motion sensors that might not be moving in this configuration....=20 how to wire up the remote so that one deck starts in play at the same time as the other starts in record..... =20 THEN- do you use the decks in mono or stereo? do you also use the play head on the record deck to give you a short echo aswell as the eno delay? do you use an external mixer (more flexible) or the revox's own input mixing (more compact)? =20 the one with the red background looks as if it concerns itself with the level control & mixing side of things, & the one with the yellowish background MAY be to do with which deck starts first & what happens to the free tape between the decks. the writing isn't clear enough to read, but I don't think there's enough of it to cover things like modifying the reel-motor switches so that only the unused spool carrier is disabled (& not both as would usually be the case), or wiring both machines' remore sockets to a single stop/start switch...... what I can see is instruction relating to which audio level control does what in this context.... =20 on the red diagram, you can make out where the guitar is supposed to be plugged in, how audio gets from the second deck back to the first, & which meter the user should be watching. you can see that the record controls are not even shown on the right-hand deck, because they are not relevant. =20 the yellow diagram appears to be a more generic (non-A77-specific) version of the same thing, though there is some notation referring to the slack tape between the decks. I wish I could read what our renaissance-man-parfumier had to say by way of warning-=20 =20 "watch out for this going slack or snapping!"=20 =20 would be my guess..... &-=20 =20 "if it snaps, try swapping the decks over.... then it will go slack instead- somewhat less disastrous!" =20 they are certainly revox A77s in the red diagram, though I've seen a picture of fripp at work with two G36s, an older revox that uses valves (tubes). interestingly, the G36s are shown on their ends, while the decks in these diagrams appear to be normally oriented.=20 =20 yes, I have done this a few times myself, & with many different sorts of deck. :-) =20 =20 I have in the past pondered the benefits of fine-tuning the capstan speeds of the decks to avoid the aforementioned slack tape problem, of cross-connecting the capstan servo oscillators to force the decks to run at the same speed (this solves nothing if the diameters of the capstans differ even by a tenth of a thousandth of an inch), of disabling the pinch-roller on the record deck so that the play deck is doing all the pulling, of mounting a new head & modifying the tape path of a single deck to perform this technique..... =20 I've used two uher portables to do this, too- got a picture somewhere......=20 =20 why? when there are so many digital delays & samplers available, why bother?=20 =20 well..... when I first tried this, back in 1979 with an old ferrograph & an EMI L4 portable, it was hit & miss. I managed to get the capstan speeds matched reasonably well, & had the two very-different machines suitably positioned so that the tape flowed properly. what made it worth-while was the quality of the recordings, & the way the folded-back audio varied according to how worn the tape was at any given point. it was more..... tidal.... than any solid-state equivalent I've ever heard. I still keep a number of A77s & can play with this configuration whenever I want, luckily. =20 anyone else got any experience of using the two-deck setup? anyone know what "skysaw" was? I can't make out anything on that picture, & it seems to have been quite important to RF, since he goes to the trouble of crediting BE with it's invention on the sleeve of "exposure"..... =20 duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EF03.629E5309 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?artist=3D&show=3D&mem= ber=3D3&entry=3D7559
 
it's "just" two tape = decks=20 side-by-side.
 
prepare for some=20 spoddiness-
 
the important stuff = isn't really=20 mentioned in these eno-instructions, like
how to disable the = unused reel=20 motors....
how to synchronise the = two capstan=20 motors, or disable one of them, so the tape doesn't go slack or = break.....=20
the exact angle the two = machines=20 have to be parked at so that the tape isn't fouling any of the deck..... =
how to defeat any = tape-motion=20 sensors that might not be moving in this configuration.... =
how to wire up the = remote so that=20 one deck starts in play at the same time as the other starts in=20 record.....
 
THEN- do you use the = decks in mono=20 or stereo? do you also use the play head on the record deck to give you = a short=20 echo aswell as the eno delay?
do you use an external = mixer (more=20 flexible) or the revox's own input mixing (more = compact)?
 
the one with the red = background=20 looks as if it concerns itself with the level control & mixing side = of=20 things, & the one with the yellowish background MAY be to do with = which deck=20 starts first & what happens to the free tape between the decks. the = writing=20 isn't clear enough to read, but I don't think there's enough of it to = cover=20 things like modifying the reel-motor switches so that only the unused = spool=20 carrier is disabled (& not both as would usually be the case), or = wiring=20 both machines' remore sockets to a single stop/start switch...... what I = can see=20 is instruction relating to which audio level control does what in this=20 context....
 
on the red diagram, you = can make=20 out where the guitar is supposed to be plugged in, how audio gets from = the=20 second deck back to the first, & which meter the user should be = watching.=20 you can see that the record controls are not even shown on the = right-hand deck,=20 because they are not relevant.
 
the yellow diagram = appears to be a=20 more generic (non-A77-specific) version of the same thing, though there = is some=20 notation referring to the slack tape between the decks. I wish I could = read what=20 our renaissance-man-parfumier had to say by way of warning- =
 
"watch out for this = going slack or=20 snapping!"
 
would be my guess.....=20 &- 
 
"if it snaps, try = swapping the=20 decks over.... then it will go slack instead- somewhat less=20 disastrous!"
 
they are certainly = revox A77s=20 in the red diagram, though I've seen a picture of fripp at work with two = G36s,=20 an older revox that uses valves (tubes). interestingly, the G36s are = shown on=20 their ends, while the decks in these diagrams appear to be normally = oriented. 
 
yes, I have done this a = few times=20 myself, & with many different sorts of deck. :-)  =
 
I have in the past = pondered the=20 benefits of fine-tuning the capstan speeds of the decks to avoid the=20 aforementioned slack tape problem, of cross-connecting the capstan servo = oscillators to force the decks to run at the same speed (this solves = nothing if=20 the diameters of the capstans differ even by a tenth of a thousandth of = an=20 inch), of disabling the pinch-roller on the record deck so that the play = deck is=20 doing all the pulling, of mounting a new head & modifying the tape = path of a=20 single deck to perform this technique.....
 
I've used two uher = portables to do=20 this, too- got a picture somewhere......
 
why? when there are so = many digital=20 delays & samplers available, why bother?
 
well..... when I first = tried this,=20 back in 1979 with an old ferrograph & an EMI L4 portable, it was hit = &=20 miss. I managed to get the capstan speeds matched reasonably well, & = had the=20 two very-different machines suitably positioned so that the tape flowed=20 properly. what made it worth-while was the quality of the recordings, = & the=20 way the folded-back audio varied according to how worn the tape was at = any given=20 point. it was more..... tidal.... than any solid-state = equivalent I've=20 ever heard. I still keep a number of A77s & can play with this = configuration=20 whenever I want, luckily.
 
anyone else got any = experience of=20 using the two-deck setup? anyone know what "skysaw" was? I can't make = out=20 anything on that picture, & it seems to have been quite important to = RF,=20 since he goes to the trouble of crediting BE with it's invention on the = sleeve=20 of "exposure".....
 
duncan.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7EF03.629E5309-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 14:55:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBB763BF43; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:55:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Scenic Panner @ Ars Electronica 09.09.07 Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:55:20 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002301c7ef03$9dd7e2a0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: Acfubf0w+uPb13tzQgyiXILXqRWHbQAlWdgA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0cuAS125Nk= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74157 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:55:01 +0000 (UTC) > Think a single midi note mapped to a single object [ f.i. a > skyscaper, which gets inserted on the left of the wide screen Now this sounds interesting...although the majority here don't play MIDI notes in the classical way (i.e. to control a sound generator), it would make sense perfectly to control this kind of video with Per's crazy foot movements when he plays Mobius...or even Mobius' scripts could generate these MIDI triggers! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:21:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A9C83BF53; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=mYI4SPQAx39PwRIV5JBaYcjf3X6QeAU17G7pXSaHAMexP+pP+2FabtdBVVKV1TQTirokwLvOqEuMHjWS6OwBgUUFtXXjWdJ/Z3CL27LFkpc9JrVnQcnY6yxwdHTuRCAJUAgHxbjIwwKp3eqNJ5Zx5FzrXRX39dd2IBxE7fX7VfY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ILZZFQSrJoObQVpwI3qjrJXRZYzMiP4qZw22zSReeDd/NET1yHWxtgaORX5t1iYXSwWUyaUoHRiovXI83wp1z2XCwqLKOvr0Z3ExaPqg/RL230X7iGpyF9/MfL/bhjhzp1iKPFgJ1UxG9j9dHLq0stmL8rJae3X1c3dBwRt9YYo= Message-ID: <3fa302e30709040821v1af0dfa6re8e6423c06f572ad@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 08:21:02 -0700 From: Mikkoz To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <31576.83000.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_31210_3569766.1188919262645" References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8B75D@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <31576.83000.qm@web32702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74158 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_31210_3569766.1188919262645 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2 ------=_Part_31210_3569766.1188919262645 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2 ------=_Part_31210_3569766.1188919262645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:30:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019053BF3A; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:30:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:30:46 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 thread-index: Acfuw7U8KOXmGcUST/uY0Gf0o07eWAARIKLg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0cuAS125Nk= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74159 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:30:24 +0000 (UTC) So this is?... ...a Kaoss Pad combined with a Roland TB-303, but without sampling and effects? > Yamaha launches today the tenori-on on the UK market (trial market). > http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html From hoai-huong.doan@webstat.net Tue Sep 4 15:32:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 607 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:32:58 UTC Received: from host-207-248-239-10.block.alestra.net.mx (host-207-248-239-10.block.alestra.net.mx [207.248.239.10]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 171643BF37 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:32:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tbwlajdi by host-207-248-239-10.block.alestra.net.mx with local (Exim 4.64 (FreeBSD)) id 1ITk0H-000PPB-2F for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:31:31 -0500 To: Subject: A Special Card From: Content-Type: text/html;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <1ITk0H-000PPB-2F@host-207-248-239-10.block.alestra.net.mx> Sender: User tbwlajdi Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:31:31 -0500 Our Greeting System has a Labor Day card for you, go here to pick it up: http://yahoo.com/07cards/greet1?4bwkpbgeituj1wcuu From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 15:51:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 185FF3BF43; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=oVS1rWizEEAITj0mCAilE9jNGYc17emtsoxPCa2648pkkTyJAs2ztg9gYihjabzzGJnwUi7Khar3Ydu0QWa1SpJm/2kNN6+rPcAyADIyU0U70jF7OlH18m/Al4tLB3sCRkPbi4VqkXsLKzXaUWD6TsuV337t2b5QsP/IP8dG7A0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nAz8Z4HjjduefM5pS/oK6tMUAC67/g10NRZnV1dkUs7peFkZ57x52lMRMpvlZ/LueQkVcAs021z2jGVbahQ5SRQen8WS8C+3HFgadG2dHlJdq/pNHuARXzSKOHAVn6/iythz+1TwPXO1BbfA87lnV5jfFbetxV9zH8+tLhrWaVU= Message-ID: <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:51:37 -0500 From: "Dan Katayama" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today In-Reply-To: <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_29090_8251091.1188921097749" References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74160 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:51:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_29090_8251091.1188921097749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline how much is it....i WANT one 2007/9/4, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > So this is?... > ...a Kaoss Pad combined with a Roland TB-303, but without sampling and > effects? > > > Yamaha launches today the tenori-on on the UK market (trial > market). > > http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html > > -- kosukeweb http://home.comcast.net/~kkatayama76 ------=_Part_29090_8251091.1188921097749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline how much is it....i WANT one

2007/9/4, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de>:
So this is?...
...a Kaoss Pad combined with a Roland TB-303, but without sampling and
effects?

>       Yamaha launches today the tenori-on on the UK market (trial market).
>       http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/index.html




--
kosukeweb
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:39:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5E53BF48; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:39:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000901c7ef12$2ff602d0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcfvC3uP5V/K2CbtS1OUqvxkK/x5kAABJbyA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRGcll5DQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74161 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:39:16 +0000 (UTC) Googling around, I found the following three prices: 500 Pound, 599 Pound, 1000$... > how much is it....i WANT one From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 16:46:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69A593BF21; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 12:46:24 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today In-reply-to: <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <004801c7ef13$21294b80$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfvC3r2AQcrJzMBQfq5AJshZxXrIgABpf0g References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74162 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:46:26 +0000 (UTC) Seems like a cool tool. My first reaction was, "oh, this would be so easy to do in sw", but it's so easy for me to decide on a sw project that will take 3 years to complete instead of spending a couple of hundred bucks... I mean, it looks like someone took a typical rhythm grid thingie that we've seen dozens of times in sw and said, "y'know what? If you made this self-contained in a box with sounds, it'd be a cool toy", and then refined the concept considerably. It looks like they threw in a lot of fun stuff. Plus, something you don't see in sw because the hw generally isn't there for it - a multitouch interface. If the tap-tempo and external sync facilities are excellent, this might be a fun little self-contained gizmo to bring to jams. It also seems like it'd be great for churning out dance music forever (as if I know dance music....) Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:23:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97F83BF35; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 18:23:31 +0100 Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Thread-Index: AcfvGFBejuJ4ylsLEdyZ1QAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3271775014_13952145" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74163 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:23:39 +0000 (UTC) > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3271775014_13952145 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable It=B9s got MIDI out for external device control, I=B9m wondering what kind of fun you could have using it to control other devices. I notice it has sampling, but there=B9s a note about using some voice editing software, so maybe it isn=B9t a real-time looper? I like the way you can determine the start and stop points of a loop with two fingers, cool! The UK dealer page lists several record shops, but none of the usual music tech dealers, strange move. Greg >=20 --B_3271775014_13952145 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today It= 217;s got MIDI out for external device control, I’m wondering what kin= d of fun you could have using it to control other devices. I notice it has s= ampling, but there’s a note about using some voice editing software, s= o maybe it isn’t a real-time looper? I like the way you can determine = the start and stop points of a loop with two fingers, cool!

The UK dealer page lists several record shops, but none of the usual music = tech dealers, strange move.

Greg


 --B_3271775014_13952145-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 17:54:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 173B33BF59; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qdh9flu0en2DYsJ0u+zJ7LmT8fMelnlDZMvxu558+Kirt0U/2b0fMIzKqpUgEYhr9d/ObDDJy3ro3L6je4OJuUu63pLL9kVvujoOcDkvBSjudduaWmJc64DTyDMpXw1qOFr9RoU744W5r6frxIKI5X5PiIra5/1KgpTyI6UJ1fc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pgu53OFDRsTkg9jYU2UI4nmRRYAXdpXwb8t5oGK5uEiDZ31ZbEgtRKbhcNAusPddyCch0khSC4e1EkBa9ZiuR+DN+2Wxqh0UD0QiVBiJGpUubZhirJ6kKJyP3yX+BE8IAYZAhQV5zFQkqQIl1jY3VnR4vbDApYbHi07+20SD+Bc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: RP Collier Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 10:54:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74164 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:54:48 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 4, 2007, at 8:51 AM, Dan Katayama wrote: > how much is it....i WANT one The blog CDM has several entries and archive posts tracking it: http://createdigitalmusic.com/ regards BobC http://tinyurl.com/yt8f8j http://www.youtube.com/tynego From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 18:10:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 079C33BF6B; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=BhvV+OqZZxvc/xAyr8By3B6FW/jnAx14fEs0wQ1h6IqSgjrohJO/ViUXUp45o8cgD03TLwrxbOzUQLoeN0iA2uxTIxgrUYrdGPpJ9+6PWkOafzdlOzOR0qn51WhtPMPcSa54tpf92AZvLDSWBvslZ8it0wF0rwmZdb6Bye/TyAc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=m7GVkBy00ZkSn8tQcn9tJkBcxBCNEW0Chs0jwyJXyHAEC2Y9jlH2LHX6oHjSA1QVt62gqyvYoxbNy4UfyahXOLeGcj2C6tvUjiZLVHSkpgND49V5/XEYGQbrB3tQ5ZGUSPJFUk5LQ60+tLGiF1g0x1lWsLvxhEbqa5m/uWf19+s= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:10:23 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_28316_4113078.1188929423357" References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74165 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:10:26 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_28316_4113078.1188929423357 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5236 ------=_Part_28316_4113078.1188929423357 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5236

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:04:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5FE5A3BF57; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c7ef26$8a23dbb0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:05:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/owgo95RfyvLAPHi1/QAMSyowi29T+mrjMaWB PSHzn4P8dvTaWSvdxw7MajYbRqGhiDRO48hFdWzlfsILoHmsbI 2l0BDXkC/wEBFf3EyXG7Ei/CpVY00mV Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74166 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:04:58 +0000 (UTC) you made me laugh! well, it certainly blinks very fashy... tilmann "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" > So this is?... > ...a Kaoss Pad combined with a Roland TB-303, but without sampling and > effects? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:21:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 053533BF57; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GRcMFuKWZNkNbU4M5bNU9s5rJ+wX/yEr+sJ0oKsxo26fyusYEx5fpkabXdtRhZXKR0zTE+lawtImEIvQreA0Bk8lvz8tz/ht5k+SFc3URI1Sg/RXhTNbHnZYeK9Rpie+YmPGN35YjBstOgH/6DeD/7n21QR5enKi4QX2HzN5riQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kIJ6o+Mmn71Y84mY8m2C3KnR5Gh7HIAPIwU8BX1Jf9a5OEBR3D+xg/ZeRsBlpw9UCZQA64HJoKBWMmj06anF6pzn0L2syXEy38vf3SghUUIzhWAQ5VazUrVnwfX4bxXOK9fqurnCsnXsNwibUxONWyhs5t3mQFOteDylhUkZq3I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Midi looping: Yamaha launches the tenori-on in UK today Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:21:51 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74167 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:21:58 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=5236 Nice demo. Thanks for posting the link. This was the first Tenori-On demonstration I have seen that actually explains about Bounce Mode, Pitch Mode and Solo Mode - which is where this instrument starts to get interesting. It reminds me a bit about the software Numerology, but with less options. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 19:45:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4BFD43BF74; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:45:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> Subject: tenori-on questions Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:46:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+uz0s3twKXU1ZwTGbW23bpOfmL1pfPAT4ShTz ANXGRx+nYiSxf4sajpN9kSfhuenyI7GSCbKCtn0uKAnmSPLk7C SnqggZz74gAi+kFx3z9ahPGmPrC/cEL Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74168 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:45:48 +0000 (UTC) some questions about the tenori-on after seeing the litle movie, i'm just curious: is it possible to use a grid that's smaller than 16 per 16 bits, so we could funk around in 5 or 3 or 7? what about a bigger grid than 16? what about velocity? or aftertouch? can you switch parts? ("shall we take it to the bridge? - yeah") can you save your creations? on the card? can you use the chromatic scale (or any other than major)? smooth loops - tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 20:34:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A07A3BF6E; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: RE: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:34:50 +0200 Message-ID: <004f01c7ef33$0b6be760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfvMjB6l6strodZQ76Evb7/J3Q59gAAGUAQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Resent-Message-ID: <_OUvF.A.AaC.wFc3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74169 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:34:57 +0000 (UTC) > anyone else got any experience of using the two-deck setup? yes, I used two Revoxes a lot in the early eighties, with no problem at all ... check out these recordings (not for the fainthearted) and images: http://www.michaelpeters.de/massdriversongs.htm > prepare for some spoddiness actually, I had none of the problems you mentioned. Everything worked well, you just had to use 2 identical Revoxes Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 20:44:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B032F3BF72; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:44:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.169] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070904123437.6464F3BF55@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: SF electronic music festival Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:44:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Sep 2007 20:44:08.0049 (UTC) FILETIME=[5702D610:01C7EF34] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74170 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:44:09 +0000 (UTC) SFEMF 8 September 5-9 Project Artaud Theater 450 Florida Street, San Francisco, CA 94110 The 2007 San Francisco Electronic Music Festival consists of five evenings of electrifying performances by internationally recognized composers and musicians in the electronic music field. This year’s impressive line-up features both respected pioneers and emerging artists whose work spans the sonic spectra - from ambient to rhythmic, from atonal to melodic. As the only San Francisco music festival dedicated solely to electronic music, the SFEMF brings together the varied practices of artists working with laptop generated sound, processed live acoustic instruments, amplified found objects, projected video, improvisation, and performance art. This year SFEMF is honored to present two renowned, New York-based, electronic music pioneers composers, Annea Lockwood and David Behrman– both of whom will be performing on Saturday evening, September 8th. Lockwood will be presenting the West Coast premiere of a work called "Jitterbug (2007) involving 6 channels of audio and three performers (herself, Behrman, and bay area percussionist William Winant.) She will also be presenting "Bow Falls", with 2-channel sound and video by Paul Ryan. Behrman will present "Long Throw" (2007) with the composer on stringed instruments & computer and William Winant on percussion. This is also a West Coast premiere. This year’s international participants include Canadian Musician and Sound artist Tim Hecker, who appears on Thursday’s concert, and two Mexican artists: Murcof (Nortek Collective), and the duo .pig, who will kicking off the 2007 festival on Wednesday, September 5th in a special evening sponsored by San Francisco’s NEXMAP– a new San Francisco non-profit organization dedicated to the production and appreciation of contemporary and experimental performing arts. And from Los Angeles, SFEMF presents Letiecia Castaneda and Univac. This year’s local artists include flutist/composer/”aspiring rock star” MaryClare Brzytwa, electro-cellist Zoe Keating, media artist Kadet Kuhne (collaborating with Mem1), award-winning laptop composer Lesser, renowned ballet & modern dance composer Les Stuck, and the inimitable Fred Frith, who will be presenting an SFEMF-commissioned collaboration with Patrice Scanlon. Schedule: Wednesday, September 5th, 2007 doors 8pm, show 8:30pm (sponsored by NexMap) Murcof .pig Thursday, September 6th, 2007 doors 8pm, show 8:30pm Tim Hecker univac MaryClare Brzytwa Friday, September 7th, 2007 (buy tickets) doors 8pm, show 8:30pm Lesser Les Stuck Zoe Keating Leticia Castaneda Saturday, September 8th, 2007 doors 8pm, show 8:30pm David Behrman & Annea Lockwood with William Winant (solos and in collaboration) Behrman and Lockwood will have an informal Q&A at 7pm. Sunday, September 9th, 2007 early start time: doors 7pm, show 7:30pm Fred Frith (with Patrice Scanlon) Kadet Kuhne (with Mem1) Nommo Ogo All nights: Sound installations by local artists. Tickets: $16 general, $12 Senior/Student $55 Festival pass, $45 Senior/Student Festival Pass --^------------------------------------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ.  Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 20:51:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A87C33BF6C; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2007 16:51:17 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74171 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:51:51 +0000 (UTC) Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the capabilities of the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync and exactly what can be controlled with .CC messages. But it appears to offer a 12-second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a midi-learn function. If the feedback rate is controllable with an external pedal I could be interested - a portable looper that can double as a delay... http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 21:36:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27B323BF74; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007924213625362@M2W014.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: tenori-on questions Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 17:36:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74172 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 21:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Any idea what it will cost=3F -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:32:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2175F3BF44; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jJ44XXuNVhhtYwliClFy92LB/oGiDfwMK5lfl1h3HnLS5179Lej8JhWNkJUCDI0xyhOP0rH7P7L+ps5G4sBjTDnnC77tyn3rLJcKVMLtlrxnysiAT9tZG0kPRSPNY6xmkWwJFjdMAY0P/BuLSGOX33664iugvsd2Eqqxphqfp5M=; X-YMail-OSG: LTVcSWYVM1mu.VbeWjdCwdR3rwggjpQ_wWXNGUOZw25X3CLbf5BLGF1m3dMMzkKnsIX_GYcoN.2x_4sWAHoMPIqiC8Qe69YbS_QKYkQEbNingc0SNP0- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:32:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: CT on myspace To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005701c7eeee$0b76ca30$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <266017.65931.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74173 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:32:34 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant Michael grat work! Machst gut Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > with so many musicians and bands having a myspace > page (often in addition to > their regular website), it occurred to me this > morning that the CT > Collective deserves a myspace page too. So I created > one. > > > http://www.myspace.com/ctcollective > > The page contains four songs that I chose from the > CT repertoire (which > currently consists of 448 tracks). The songs will be > replaced by other songs > at irregular intervals. > > If you are on myspace, please send friend requests > to the CT myspace page! > > > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 22:36:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F733BF3C; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=B+O/b/KLyJNwIpunzprhVH6P5iesXCDVXs769ZNn9eM19KSj7mrbjdBiyatr3GRFzzxBbHuK6ITVacQzuGlcv2rHbptRHywwYRKzSoRqs0qgrJ8Se2dE3QvVQgwfCYoz3sxrUlPNrzuD9FFLN6vV/9A/YxQlTTXQrhZZL+cQp1Y=; X-YMail-OSG: i41np2YVM1kupSIre2UKvNQX259h2fcDdRYw8wndcdHAsM...iP1WYFgMQv0v.3lxQ-- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 15:36:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <078301c7eecf$66c2ec80$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <92476.23803.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74174 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 22:36:03 +0000 (UTC) just curious how complex is the DL4 to modify? 100.00dlls seem a bit steep but perhaps it it complicated,no? Luis Randolf Arriola wrote: > Luis, you still haven't resolved your DL4 problem? > > Mine's self modded and comparing to my friends' > Keeleys yes we both have an > improved difference when compared with a stock DL4. > What's the diff between > mine and a Keeley? Well, Keeley's is a more subtle > improvement which is > pretty good already. Mine is tweaked just a notch > brighter and louder...for > my own taste but can be adjusted for individuals' > taste. I may want to put a > trimpot for easier adjustments but later. > > Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:36 AM > Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > > > > Hey Randolf, > > did you notice a big difference after the > > mod?unfortunately i havent been able to try mine! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > >> I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight > >> volume drop and darkening > >> effects of the bypassed tone. > >> > >> Good Luck. > >> > >> Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) > >> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm > >> http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Doug Wellington" > > >> To: > >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM > >> Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > >> > >> > >> >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics > and > >> had > >> >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there > is > >> >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but > when i > >> >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output > jacks > >> it > >> >> goes away anybody know what that might be or > how > >> i can > >> >> try to fix it myself? > >> > > >> > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a > >> different cable? > >> > > >> > Doug > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the > Internet in your pocket: mail, > > news, photos & more. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 23:17:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E4BE3BF37; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:17:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007924231741634@M2W021.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.5 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 19:17:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT any Remote SL users? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74175 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:17:45 +0000 (UTC) I'm interested in using the Novation RemoteSL as a midi control surface=2E= I'd like to talk with someone who is using it, and who feels they are making really good use of its capabilities=2E Please contact me offlist= thanks -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Micro= soft=AE Exchange - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Personal/EnhancedEmail From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 4 23:28:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 266863BF4F; Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UiMNhfdGpim1Q75e+FBvcKKiUBYq06FY3ZoljWI1m96xnVvPPpXj2/sOBGwyqQQWGl/ZQoz+DRqfjW0P6EgfDAQRxVIY2QP8aD6wZ+wVRgG2Epx/h8E3eWBi5YBiMr+1I7N4RG/e+wHVnk2io3+HZFKEhPFFN2pYCvEZF3jso8o=; X-YMail-OSG: CYS3vWIVM1nX7HQZ5E.OL0FdcypbfNlq83WX4I.xcXo.kukx9Eg4Ktmx1nYcPWisI3iSGh98NVJgeBtjNiA5cMFsAOFRah6lcTE6kS.ZPDgn1EJcrgk- Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46D31461.1070208@servingpeace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74176 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Kris, I am a bit late on this but ill tell you my opinion on the fw800,i own it since about a year.At first i was impressed with its sim but compared to my Koch twintone tube amp it sounds a bit harsh for my ears,ive used it though for funky compressed rhythm guitar tracks which works ok.Ive never used it live though. Nothing coming out of a guitar through a digital amp sim has really impressed me soundwise, i remember seeing Fripp live and he had a Digitech new preamp and a roland GP100 at the time and his sound was really cold to my ears,Adrian on the other had had a much warmer sound! Luis --- Sam Nilsson wrote: > Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Can anyone comment on the speaker emulation filter > and tube > > sim/limiter of the FW800? Someone on the Max/MSP > list commented that it > > was one of the best amp sims they've used. See > below. Is any other high > > end firewire audio interface offering ann amp sim? > > > > I am now focusing on how I can get the most > natural electric guitar/tube > > amp sound on my system, BEFORE going into the > laptop (so, no tube amp > > VSTs, etc). I need to do it with the audio > interface, or by adding a > > real tube amp or high end tube amp simulator > (hardware) > > Hi Krispen, Group, > > It has been some time since I have messed with the > speaker > emulator/limiter feature on the instrument input of > my FW800 but... > > When I originally got the unit I played with those > features with my > Strat and a few other guitars and found that for my > tastes it was just > an add-on/gimmick feature that did not improve the > sound. It probably > depends on what sound you are looking for, and it > would be worth trying > it yourself, but I don't expect to use that feature > when going direct > with my electric guitars. I much preferred the > instrument input with > those features turned off. > > Someday I would like to find a nice portable preamp > to drive my > otherwise clean/direct setup with, but for my > tastes, those features > were not in any way a decent substitute. Having said > that, I am sure > that someone loves those features and uses them > everyday. ;-) > > Peace, > - Sam > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 04:29:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CCCB3BF51; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 04:29:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> References: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <99A1F493-E94D-4F8A-B2ED-14DF9CF87729@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 00:29:46 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74177 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 04:29:49 +0000 (UTC) I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay lines available simultaneously always. one thing it does that is cool is that after you record a loop, if you use midi to change to another looping patch, the loop doesn't stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the loop. You can alter the pitch of your loop with an expression pedal. You can save Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and step between intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. I don't know another looper that does that so freely. The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 replacement is that the feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame by my standards, and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than those 2 things it is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the sound quality is unparalleled. I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. They seemed very responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding features soon. If not I may return it. Teddy On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: > > Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the capabilities of > the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync and exactly what > can be controlled with .CC messages. But it appears to offer a 12- > second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a midi-learn > function. If the feedback rate is controllable with an external > pedal I could be interested - a portable looper that can double as > a delay... > > http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 04:50:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 05D863BF82; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 04:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:50:31 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <085901c7ef78$4b375560$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <92476.23803.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9HT4QC.A.q6C.rWj3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74178 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 04:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Luis, the complexity of modding the DL4 is mostly because of the use of SMT components which makes the process more delicate thus more time consuming. Well at least that's what I feel. :) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) Hp 97584919 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 6:36 AM Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! > just curious how complex is the DL4 to modify? > 100.00dlls seem a bit steep but perhaps it it > complicated,no? > Luis > > > > > > Randolf Arriola wrote: > >> Luis, you still haven't resolved your DL4 problem? >> >> Mine's self modded and comparing to my friends' >> Keeleys yes we both have an >> improved difference when compared with a stock DL4. >> What's the diff between >> mine and a Keeley? Well, Keeley's is a more subtle >> improvement which is >> pretty good already. Mine is tweaked just a notch >> brighter and louder...for >> my own taste but can be adjusted for individuals' >> taste. I may want to put a >> trimpot for easier adjustments but later. >> >> Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) >> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm >> http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "L.A. Angulo" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 5:36 AM >> Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! >> >> >> > Hey Randolf, >> > did you notice a big difference after the >> > mod?unfortunately i havent been able to try mine! >> > cheers >> > Luis >> > >> > >> >> I've also modded my own DL4 to resolve the slight >> >> volume drop and darkening >> >> effects of the bypassed tone. >> >> >> >> Good Luck. >> >> >> >> Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) >> >> http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm >> >> http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Doug Wellington" >> >> >> To: >> >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 4:43 AM >> >> Subject: Re: keeley electronics DL4 Mod- noisy! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> i just had my DL4 modded by keely electronics >> and >> >> had >> >> >> a chance to try it today,unfortunately there >> is >> >> >> soemthing wrong with it its very noisy but >> when i >> >> >> wiggle and rock the cable from the output >> jacks >> >> it >> >> >> goes away anybody know what that might be or >> how >> >> i can >> >> >> try to fix it myself? >> >> > >> >> > OK, silly question maybe, but did you try a >> >> different cable? >> >> > >> >> > Doug >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ____________________________________________________________________________________ >> > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the >> Internet in your pocket: mail, >> > news, photos & more. >> > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready > for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 06:03:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 472AC3BF81; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rb8sqGVXOYtnF6pZEHSyrivSY/4y2+T5VpYWrGt8vKN01JIruf4upDhgbmdRQVA1WxKAhzbDWuyt9GaT/z5HWdKNmyafTe4qYgbVzASasa2wznBau0dBZMQFzcwIFUmSo9QNu1/jN6Af3cxPuFYCH6nLi3Uz3QssoY5fuuPG7oQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lpimHY5qfcWKCZvBFpHX6BSvZqm+zq7eDu4UxOCp952oC4o6Af26jD4G6FtpHa2QfD0S79HtoZvRznHArCfBFzu8QYUu+rgUvUtPU5723g27iDWUo0X1HEblp5ZEeB6KmflEcwR3HIJcJfc/TGUHIxmCYYSLpwZm8GP7uspO0OQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <004f01c7ef33$0b6be760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <004f01c7ef33$0b6be760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:03:50 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74179 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:03:59 +0000 (UTC) >> anyone else got any experience of using the two-deck setup? Yes. But I was using Tandberg, not Revox. You will have to tape together a long tape loop and also cover/deactivate the erasing head on one of the machines. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 06:06:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F091A3BF80; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:06:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ijHfMx7UxRDqzim0sU95YrhQv2HT656z59OZ9Cnaakw9WerG8CteH0eqRQXQMjqmBrTkjxrIkoui/AZeJfHOnpzEjm/MygDN/LKkREciWzR7dzSYeGau9gwNgKwOMIEFD7Z4pfFBzDM4+jOywcFzSmQmua/cOvVoRe+CmR0YvJg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=d1JtwIs+7EBRpH0rFCgvBJRgoFfZtdnhye1j8MFxN/OsPULKh4BQ1GpB8hmKBddkPNAKYAUhPbU7+K5hMg2cqYC/VlFj4Ve6vi1jo6c9i1F9V3cnifpeXtReAIku6M7MOm9c34OG5fX+Ax3mogpLYWK7LiClbAtUKFsjNqQY/ZI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> References: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:06:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74180 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:06:50 +0000 (UTC) On 4 sep 2007, at 22.51, Dan Ash wrote: > http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ Yes, I've seen that one. Still eagerly waiting for someone who owns one to report a little. Didn't find any relevant info on Harmony Central's user reviews since it is still rather new on the market. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 06:33:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 895B53BF8E; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=p9nosdo5juVsti217K9BYcUHMRyIjP4nh0x/RMzRwrKvyBtHAKR5bnYA+MGbjQlcD0ye4ucUzi6N+EioWdFJYXZT+ZygOpeZkx2lr8uJ/nBM5vDz1RrcSaejM7uYfil7KA4Bj3eHNMpb06yCUVeowRkjuC1b5AWvbA17i9D4nx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fxkd3t0BAzV6tGrOrwyWdQnPXI5Qq7nhb27mhpde+PNZadvqDZhSxPOpqA0XAXziYapfZrWouK8Hu5c0tvUQgjkXXaGLYQrT7anzz74VJaHgr+j9LvTiv13T4EffzOE2/0dhpTvAO94TA1iXuycL6hzCN2AJQ7JZZrvmC8QyV70= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: <40AE65BB-FF52-4B81-A9E5-ADB0ABCDD609@gmail.com> X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: tenori-on questions Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:33:08 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9G5_-D.A.yrG.s2k3GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74181 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:33:16 +0000 (UTC) > Any idea what it will cost? Price will be GBP 599 in the initial run. I checked with The Internet =20= and got this: > As we expected, we=92ve been tipped off that despite leaked =20 > information on the Tenori-On from last week, potential buyers are =20 > unlikely to get a price break on the Tenori-On when it (hopefully) =20 > ramps up to full production after its limited edition trial run in =20 > the UK. If would-be Tenori-On buyers weren=92t hungry enough for the =20= > first run as it is, that should help. This is a =93marketing trial,=94 = =20 > but based on what I=92ve heard so far, I expect it=92ll be very =20 > successful. > The referred "leaked information" is to be found at: http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/08/31/tenori-on-pricing-behind-the-=20= scenes-images/ The Tenori-On manuals can be downloaded. http://www.global.yamaha.com/tenori-on/downloads/index.html Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international)= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 06:41:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C21543BF75; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=umCQbXQeMG5bjraPCKuxmulWBkKPVYzZxe9zRFf1bigy6fYm3m7GhMWmUih1Ms+1VSiC/KdQHmaHgifDL1WlJ1NRN0PGMSW3heiTOaH6gdoo1cQ/KEg+arhT7hMBfN+vo2akHf/+I4OkMwQ3xdzXRt9Hl2302y6pmvY1fYbir34= ; X-YMail-OSG: LOV1iPIVM1l6rHYfZveRfEaFugsS0cDvR0pNndFePiavy9N5AyJPLOM_0gubpxEhlzpBrpdThA-- Message-ID: <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: Re: tenori-on questions Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:41:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74182 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:41:23 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" > some questions about the tenori-on after seeing the litle movie, i'm just > curious: > > is it possible to use a grid that's smaller than 16 per 16 bits, so we > could funk around in 5 or 3 or 7? --> Yes, you can change the loop start and loop end on the fly > what about a bigger grid than 16? --> a grid of 16 is called a block, you can have 16 block you can change on the fly to add variation > what about velocity? --> no velocity but you have 16 layer and you can us a mixer like panel to adjust the volume of each layer so you can fake velocity by using several layer assigned to the same instrument > or aftertouch? --> no > can you switch parts? ("shall we take it to the bridge? - yeah") --> see the block concept > can you save your creations? on the card? --> yes, you also have a "clock" mode which display the current time and can play a random composition choosen on the card every hour (chime) or at an alarm time or continuously. You can also save on the card your own "voices" which are sample-sets of 16 wav files (max 0.97sec each). Up to 3 of these voices can be used in layers. > can you use the chromatic scale (or any other than major)? --> yes you have the choice between Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, Locrian, Chromatic and OKINAWA The manual can be downloaded from the site but I still hadn't the time to read it. It transmits midi clock/start/stop and note numbers with a fixed velovity of 100. The sound module recognize velocity however, not sure it can be recorded. You can set the gate time for each layer between 10 msec - 9990 msec. It has chorus and reverb but no Delay So to answer Rainer, it has nothing to do with the KP except perhaps the UI. I guess a V2 would bring more effect, more voices and more sampling capabilities. Ben. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 08:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DFB83BF0A; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:36:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002601c7ef97$e52c62e0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Subject: Re: tenori-on questions Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:36:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/vdUUkMws7qKZN++VPFv6nFxjdPJA0nXnOy46 NT+OJcZBYx+PJvE8oMIQryYliUzffM2FVQ311IzaIuCBCRk6cm 4TdU6kVSlc6ldGyRGxRYto56JedZPi8 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74183 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:36:25 +0000 (UTC) hey ben, thanx a lot for all the answers! tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 13:39:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 10EB73BED6; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=WEObi7O2dtQO1172QTJKpWwLcoLUjJ7EzDlV/uAtbxjxo040VL21he8dUsThOyKwtDbw3eAZvvVqvIA83hPkHo4hDuxPkG1ukx8AqOxI61WN+JUEYjHSXBE9qUN8YW/2O1HO7A+NuBKW1q55HapcsRKyZdWM9D4oCrS/QEFA8IE=; X-YMail-OSG: scnyVn8VM1mKf2aqxgmCQkZm8zUT9AzmJIZJ5I3dpsdl2uSkGQUVJUYLtec535Bl2vstmLCh_uW9ZmgavSLJk2PQXnrljS0uT.5Em3zPf4Fl2OTvZdU3UBdZiO1pXA-- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <99A1F493-E94D-4F8A-B2ED-14DF9CF87729@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74184 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:39:21 +0000 (UTC) hey teddy, can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset for loop mode and others for differnt delays? Luis --- Teddy wrote: > I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. > > It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay > lines available > simultaneously always. > > one thing it does that is cool is that after you > record a loop, if > you use midi to change to another looping patch, the > loop doesn't > stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the > loop. You can > alter the pitch of your loop with an expression > pedal. You can save > Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and > step between > intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. > I don't know > another looper that does that so freely. > > The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 > replacement is that the > feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame > by my standards, > and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than > those 2 things it > is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the > sound quality is > unparalleled. > > I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. > They seemed very > responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding > features soon. If > not I may return it. > > Teddy > > On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: > > > > > Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the > capabilities of > > the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync > and exactly what > > can be controlled with .CC messages. But it > appears to offer a 12- > > second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a > midi-learn > > function. If the feedback rate is controllable > with an external > > pedal I could be interested - a portable looper > that can double as > > a delay... > > > > http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > > > > Dan Ash > > White Plains, NY > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 13:46:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 987953BF51; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=tS2xS42BvmORNHum9Qv3gg2ZBf4ZJotgpE8ZeCLKZLhHWr607zBnzUxCiWzWousc7QQpJP3zEwnFotQGiHeMT+OUa6MkMIQiSsCJJSEst3WFYztdbv4KKvBV7/0HWdzdFOWqKWinokPRxdTpl1ViivGq1QBx5UJDInW4E9JC+NY=; X-YMail-OSG: WE3mTuMVM1nNrhgog7sRnoNQRuFzILHJ2SYIIH00QyEquLZQgr0y8nqiiIWtr.sCyLcod91dSknoEjRrQwhG8UA2GK7pL5pyLB6_9RxFEZ3S0U_TACU- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: OT Re: No rules: no standard To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <04E735EE-EE2F-43DB-8190-F820D76DAE65@ubergadget.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <236242.66389.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74185 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:46:25 +0000 (UTC) the reason why i dont mind the off topics is that i rather have different intelligent subjects from this one list than from different other forums or lists where you have to log in x-tra,folks is all a matter of a quick "delete" Luis --- Rev Fever wrote: > Finally, someone has suggested a reasonable > compromise to this "issue". > Thanx daviD. > > I agree with daviD. A Looper's Delight Off Topic > (LDOT) is the answer > to this "issue". > > I, for one, have grown a wee bit weary over the > continuing debate > over this, > although it also has been interesting to hear > different viewpoints, > and how some people frame their arguments,etc. > > I also was previously on AH / AHOT a few years ago, > and AHOT took the > heat off of Analogue Heaven > and everyone became happy campers again with this > very EZ solution. > I vote for a separate LDOT list. > > But, in the meantime, I will not forget the "delete" > function should > I not care to read something. :-) > > In peace, > > -Rev. Fever > > On Aug 27, 2007, at 7:37 AM, daviD wrote: > > > > > I've already said so in the past at least once : > it would be a good > > thing to set > > up another mailing list (it takes a few minutes to > do so on > > googlegroups for > > example) for off-topic discussions. Call it > "Loopers Delight Off > > Topic", just > > like Analogue Heaven Off Topic (AHOT) existed a > few years ago for > > people from > > the AH list who wanted to talk about other things > than analogue > > synths. > > > > This way, people who want both on-topic and > off-topic subscribe to > > both, people > > who just want one thing have what they signed for > :) > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 14:24:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45BF53BF37; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xeVLGP2Tv/z8A7vmfscDF4/cuinYwdY48nJJ/chTNNxOWtyaCvN6drNikvzqmSXDZ3E/9pfYE9n/LPMHD0SAS5pFci8BYIJu5ER5FTeD+ZxeW7bWxahobGl4j1h0IepS2yYExfceJU6GWi4VRPF5nm5nd2sJ4PKl96UViMuHgwQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 8ebe4GoVM1nxHqDWnVFhAE4zlmxVy9CE4ZUdWwack5wkyh0_SVNV_KNX6cBy4UMiRet.Erh3Q7tbI49OdY7xGVutuvWvwZhYZSKNh2xppOPjotvVFfde8tUKOssuJg-- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 07:24:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: No rules: no standards. No standards: crap. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <643131.83089.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74186 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Brilliant Kelly cheers man this is why i love this list! Luis --- Kelly Coyle wrote: > Folks around here are more interested in gear-porn > than girl-porn, I think. > > I was looking for something funny to post here, and > came up with this > from Naomi Wolf: > > "The porn loop is de rigueur, no longer outside the > pale; starlets in > tabloids boast of learning to strip from > professionals; the "cool > girls" go with guys to the strip clubs, and even ask > for lap dances; > college girls are expected to tease guys at keg > parties with lesbian > kisses à la Britney and Madonna." > > I'm not 100% sure what she means, and I'm just not > going to read the > article to find out. But, the "porn loop." Make what > you want out of > that. > > http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/trends/n_9437/index1.html > > > > > > On 8/26/07, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > I played with that? You clever dog. > > > > Kris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Subject: AW: No rules: no standards. No standards: > crap. > > > > > > > Krispen said: > > > > > >> has something to do with looping. If people can > use the list > > >> to share their thoughts and feeling on their > favorite books, > > >> food, magazines, painters, laptops, insects, > movies, porn > > >> flicks, etc, etc, it all eventually integrates > back into our > > > > > > Exactly! So one free hardcopy of my next CD > (including shipping) to the > > > person who can name the porn flicks used as > granular sound samples in one > > > of > > > my kybermusik collaborations with Krispen ;-P > > > > > > Rainer > > > > > > > > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 15:41:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 902463BF56; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:40:56 +0800 From: Randolf Arriola Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <001001c7efd3$26f4bde0$6601a8c0@embryo> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74187 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:41:08 +0000 (UTC) Tanx for sharing. That sounds really interesting to me! :) Randolf Arriola (aka the embryo) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/5/theembryo.htm http://www.myspace.com/the_embryo ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:39 PM Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode > hey teddy, > can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having > to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset > for loop mode and others for differnt delays? > Luis > > > > --- Teddy wrote: > >> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. >> >> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay >> lines available >> simultaneously always. >> >> one thing it does that is cool is that after you >> record a loop, if >> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the >> loop doesn't >> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the >> loop. You can >> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression >> pedal. You can save >> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and >> step between >> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. >> I don't know >> another looper that does that so freely. >> >> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 >> replacement is that the >> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame >> by my standards, >> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than >> those 2 things it >> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the >> sound quality is >> unparalleled. >> >> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. >> They seemed very >> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding >> features soon. If >> not I may return it. >> >> Teddy >> >> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: >> >> > >> > Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the >> capabilities of >> > the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync >> and exactly what >> > can be controlled with .CC messages. But it >> appears to offer a 12- >> > second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a >> midi-learn >> > function. If the feedback rate is controllable >> with an external >> > pedal I could be interested - a portable looper >> that can double as >> > a delay... >> > >> > http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ >> > >> > Dan Ash >> > White Plains, NY >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 16:33:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73DD53BF64; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <536CA97D-AFB1-4095-9CE4-119D52FA835B@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:33:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74188 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:33:36 +0000 (UTC) yes On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > hey teddy, > can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having > to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset > for loop mode and others for differnt delays? > Luis > > > > --- Teddy wrote: > >> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. >> >> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay >> lines available >> simultaneously always. >> >> one thing it does that is cool is that after you >> record a loop, if >> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the >> loop doesn't >> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the >> loop. You can >> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression >> pedal. You can save >> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and >> step between >> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. >> I don't know >> another looper that does that so freely. >> >> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 >> replacement is that the >> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame >> by my standards, >> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than >> those 2 things it >> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the >> sound quality is >> unparalleled. >> >> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. >> They seemed very >> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding >> features soon. If >> not I may return it. >> >> Teddy >> >> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: >> >>> >>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the >> capabilities of >>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync >> and exactly what >>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it >> appears to offer a 12- >>> second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a >> midi-learn >>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable >> with an external >>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper >> that can double as >>> a delay... >>> >>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ >>> >>> Dan Ash >>> White Plains, NY >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:11:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64F743BF59; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <536CA97D-AFB1-4095-9CE4-119D52FA835B@mac.com> References: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <536CA97D-AFB1-4095-9CE4-119D52FA835B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <81E7AB59-E30F-4C40-8289-8FAD55B49640@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:11:24 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74189 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three seconds. What would be the benefit of having this unit over two boss giga delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a giga delay type pedal with storable presets. leon On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote: > yes > > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> hey teddy, >> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having >> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset >> for loop mode and others for differnt delays? >> Luis >> >> >> >> --- Teddy wrote: >> >>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. >>> >>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay >>> lines available >>> simultaneously always. >>> >>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you >>> record a loop, if >>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the >>> loop doesn't >>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the >>> loop. You can >>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression >>> pedal. You can save >>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and >>> step between >>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. >>> I don't know >>> another looper that does that so freely. >>> >>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 >>> replacement is that the >>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame >>> by my standards, >>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than >>> those 2 things it >>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the >>> sound quality is >>> unparalleled. >>> >>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. >>> They seemed very >>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding >>> features soon. If >>> not I may return it. >>> >>> Teddy >>> >>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the >>> capabilities of >>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync >>> and exactly what >>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it >>> appears to offer a 12- >>>> second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a >>> midi-learn >>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable >>> with an external >>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper >>> that can double as >>>> a delay... >>>> >>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ >>>> >>>> Dan Ash >>>> White Plains, NY >>> >>> > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 18:16:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C9433BF7D; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.2.3.060209 Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:16:54 +0100 Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode From: Greg Mills To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Thread-Index: Acfv6O/rLlZqPFvcEdyZ1QAKlaVu8g== In-Reply-To: <99A1F493-E94D-4F8A-B2ED-14DF9CF87729@mac.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74190 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:16:59 +0000 (UTC) > You can alter the pitch of your loop with an expression pedal. Teddy, thanks for the info. I've been looking for a box that would give me Echoplex effects similar to Tommy Bolin's. If you've heard the kind of effects I'm talking about, would you say the Eventide box would do the job? Greg From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 19:44:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B59C3BF00; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:44:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <81E7AB59-E30F-4C40-8289-8FAD55B49640@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <536CA97D-AFB1-4095-9CE4-119D52FA835B@mac.com> <81E7AB59-E30F-4C40-8289-8FAD55B49640@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3E1E455D-EE1A-4BFD-AB4C-B19AD9793164@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:44:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74191 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:44:20 +0000 (UTC) the looper is 12 seconds. at double speed it's 6 seconds. at 1/4 speed it's 48 seconds. you can set the speed before you make the loop. teddy On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:11 PM, The woodshed wrote: > Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three seconds. > What would be the benefit of having this unit over two boss giga > delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a giga delay > type pedal with storable presets. > > > leon > On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote: > >> yes >> >> >> On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> hey teddy, >>> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having >>> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset >>> for loop mode and others for differnt delays? >>> Luis >>> >>> >>> >>> --- Teddy wrote: >>> >>>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. >>>> >>>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay >>>> lines available >>>> simultaneously always. >>>> >>>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you >>>> record a loop, if >>>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the >>>> loop doesn't >>>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the >>>> loop. You can >>>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression >>>> pedal. You can save >>>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and >>>> step between >>>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. >>>> I don't know >>>> another looper that does that so freely. >>>> >>>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 >>>> replacement is that the >>>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame >>>> by my standards, >>>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than >>>> those 2 things it >>>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the >>>> sound quality is >>>> unparalleled. >>>> >>>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. >>>> They seemed very >>>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding >>>> features soon. If >>>> not I may return it. >>>> >>>> Teddy >>>> >>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the >>>> capabilities of >>>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync >>>> and exactly what >>>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it >>>> appears to offer a 12- >>>>> second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a >>>> midi-learn >>>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable >>>> with an external >>>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper >>>> that can double as >>>>> a delay... >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ >>>>> >>>>> Dan Ash >>>>> White Plains, NY >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 19:46:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D65843BF59; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5AD1907B-E0C4-40A9-83C5-34BE07E5C342@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Kumpel Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:46:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74192 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:46:22 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Greg Mills wrote: > >> You can alter the pitch of your loop with an expression pedal. > > Teddy, thanks for the info. I've been looking for a box that would > give me > Echoplex effects similar to Tommy Bolin's. If you've heard the kind of > effects I'm talking about, would you say the Eventide box would do > the job? > > Greg sorry, I don't know what that is. you can download the eventide's manual from their website Teddy From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:15:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE5E63BF7F; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:15:37 +0000 Message-Id: <090520072015.12578.46DF0E6900028A8D000031222216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12578_1189023337_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74193 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:15:38 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12578_1189023337_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is the loop stereo? -------------- Original message -------------- From: Teddy > the looper is 12 seconds. at double speed it's 6 seconds. at 1/4 > speed it's 48 seconds. > > you can set the speed before you make the loop. > > teddy > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:11 PM, The woodshed wrote: > > > Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three seconds. > > What would be the benefit of having this unit over two boss giga > > delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a giga delay > > type pedal with storable presets. > > > > > > leon > > On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote: > > > >> yes > >> > >> > >> On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> > >>> hey teddy, > >>> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having > >>> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset > >>> for loop mode and others for differnt delays? > >>> Luis > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --- Teddy wrote: > >>> > >>>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. > >>>> > >>>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay > >>>> lines available > >>>> simultaneously always. > >>>> > >>>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you > >>>> record a loop, if > >>>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the > >>>> loop doesn't > >>>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the > >>>> loop. You can > >>>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression > >>>> pedal. You can save > >>>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and > >>>> step between > >>>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. > >>>> I don't know > >>>> another looper that does that so freely. > >>>> > >>>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 > >>>> replacement is that the > >>>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame > >>>> by my standards, > >>>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than > >>>> those 2 things it > >>>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the > >>>> sound quality is > >>>> unparalleled. > >>>> > >>>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. > >>>> They seemed very > >>>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding > >>>> features soon. If > >>>> not I may return it. > >>>> > >>>> Teddy > >>>> > >>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the > >>>> capabilities of > >>>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync > >>>> and exactly what > >>>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it > >>>> appears to offer a 12- > >>>>> second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a > >>>> midi-learn > >>>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable > >>>> with an external > >>>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper > >>>> that can double as > >>>>> a delay... > >>>>> > >>>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > >>>>> > >>>>> Dan Ash > >>>>> White Plains, NY > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12578_1189023337_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Is the loop stereo?
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Teddy <teddybutter@mac.com>

> the looper is 12 seconds. at double speed it's 6 seconds. at 1/4
> speed it's 48 seconds.
>
> you can set the speed before you make the loop.
>
> teddy
>
> On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:11 PM, The woodshed wrote:
>
> > Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three seconds.
> > What would be the benefit of having this unit over two boss giga
> > delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a giga delay
> > type pedal with storable presets.
> >
> >
> > leon
> > On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote:
> >
> >> yes
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:
> >> < BR>> >>> hey teddy,
> >>> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having
> >>> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset
> >>> for loop mode and others for differnt delays?
> >>> Luis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- Teddy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say.
> >>>>
> >>>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay
> >>>> lines available
> >>>> simultaneously always.
> >>>>
> >>>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you
> >>>> record a loop, if
> >>>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the
> >>>> loop doesn't
> >>>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the
> >>>> loop. You can
> >>>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression
> >>>> pedal. You can save
> >>>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and
> >>>> step between
> >>>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves.
> >>>> I don't know
> >>>> another looper that does that so freely.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4
> >>>> replacement is that the
> >>>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame
> >>>> by my standards,
> >>>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than
> >>>> those 2 things it
> >>>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the
> >>>> soun d quality is
> >>>> unparalleled.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are.
> >>>> They seemed very
> >>>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding
> >>>> features soon. If
> >>>> not I may return it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Teddy
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the
> >>>> capabilities of
> >>>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync
> >>>> and exactly what
> >>>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it
> >>>> appears to offer a 12-
> >>>>> second loop (longer at re duced bit rate) and a
> >>>> midi-learn
> >>>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable
> >>>> with an external
> >>>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper
> >>>> that can double as
> >>>>> a delay...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dan Ash
> >>>>> White Plains, NY
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12578_1189023337_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:30:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7138A3BF5C; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46DF11E5.1080907@servingpeace.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 13:30:29 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode References: <090520072015.12578.46DF0E6900028A8D000031222216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <090520072015.12578.46DF0E6900028A8D000031222216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74194 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:30:35 +0000 (UTC) midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Is the loop stereo? No, according to the manual the loop is dual mono. The stereo inputs are combined to mono and the mono output is sent to both outputs. Most of the delay programs are stereo though. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 20:51:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CC14B3BF4B; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3E1E455D-EE1A-4BFD-AB4C-B19AD9793164@mac.com> References: <308627.63392.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <536CA97D-AFB1-4095-9CE4-119D52FA835B@mac.com> <81E7AB59-E30F-4C40-8289-8FAD55B49640@blueyonder.co.uk> <3E1E455D-EE1A-4BFD-AB4C-B19AD9793164@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:51:25 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74195 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 20:51:28 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info, but i meant to say if the delay times were not limited to 3 seconds. The boss giga delay has I think 26 seconds split between two delays. I like to pre set loops up on a multiple delay machines to allow me to do loops of different lengths. Problem with the boss is that you cant store presets, but you can have one loop of say seven seconds playing against 5 seconds on one machine. With two units you can double this. The problem with the boss is setting the loop lengths between pieces as there is no way of storing presets. The eventide would be great for that. Shame it is limited length. leon On 5 Sep 2007, at 20:44, Teddy wrote: > the looper is 12 seconds. at double speed it's 6 seconds. at 1/4 > speed it's 48 seconds. > > you can set the speed before you make the loop. > > teddy > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:11 PM, The woodshed wrote: > >> Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three >> seconds. What would be the benefit of having this unit over two >> boss giga delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a >> giga delay type pedal with storable presets. >> >> >> leon >> On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote: >> >>> yes >>> >>> >>> On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >>> >>>> hey teddy, >>>> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having >>>> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset >>>> for loop mode and others for differnt delays? >>>> Luis >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Teddy wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. >>>>> >>>>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay >>>>> lines available >>>>> simultaneously always. >>>>> >>>>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you >>>>> record a loop, if >>>>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the >>>>> loop doesn't >>>>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the >>>>> loop. You can >>>>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression >>>>> pedal. You can save >>>>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and >>>>> step between >>>>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. >>>>> I don't know >>>>> another looper that does that so freely. >>>>> >>>>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 >>>>> replacement is that the >>>>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame >>>>> by my standards, >>>>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than >>>>> those 2 things it >>>>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the >>>>> sound quality is >>>>> unparalleled. >>>>> >>>>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. >>>>> They seemed very >>>>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding >>>>> features soon. If >>>>> not I may return it. >>>>> >>>>> Teddy >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the >>>>> capabilities of >>>>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync >>>>> and exactly what >>>>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it >>>>> appears to offer a 12- >>>>>> second loop (longer at reduced bit rate) and a >>>>> midi-learn >>>>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable >>>>> with an external >>>>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper >>>>> that can double as >>>>>> a delay... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan Ash >>>>>> White Plains, NY >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 21:01:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6E953BF4C; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <0C2F596B-3FE1-4DF6-AACD-B5848B6205EE@free.fr> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26-265420272 From: David Steinberg Subject: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 22:02:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A175C3BF52; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:02:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <090520072015.12578.46DF0E6900028A8D000031222216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <090520072015.12578.46DF0E6900028A8D000031222216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <03603083-3FCD-4B00-96BD-200D51F92F2A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Teddy Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:02:51 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74198 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:02:56 +0000 (UTC) no teddy On Sep 5, 2007, at 4:15 PM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Is the loop stereo? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Teddy > > > the looper is 12 seconds. at double speed it's 6 seconds. at 1/4 > > speed it's 48 seconds. > > > > you can set the speed before you make the loop. > > > > teddy > > > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:11 PM, The woodshed wrote: > > > > > Be great if the digital loop delay was not fixed to three seconds. > > > What would be the benefit of having this unit over two boss giga > > > delays? Roughly the same price. I always dreamed of a giga delay > > > type pedal with storable presets. > > > > > > > > > leon > > > On 5 Sep 2007, at 17:33, Teddy wrote: > > > > > >> yes > > >> > > >> > > >> On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:39 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > >> < BR>> >>> hey teddy, > > >>> can you go from delay mode to loop mode without having > > >>> to switch manually like on the DL4,or have a preset > > >>> for loop mode and others for differnt delays? > > >>> Luis > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- Teddy wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I have one.... it is pretty bad ass, I must say. > > >>>> > > >>>> It has all the things the DL4 has but x2. 2 delay > > >>>> lines available > > >>>> simultaneously always. > > >>>> > > >>>> one thing it does that is cool is that after you > > >>>> record a loop, if > > >>>> you use midi to change to another looping patch, the > > >>>> loop doesn't > > >>>> stop and the new patch's settings get applied to the > > >>>> loop. You can > > >>>> alter the pitch of your loop with an expression > > >>>> pedal. You can save > > >>>> Different tuning schemes in consecutive patches and > > >>>> step between > > >>>> intervals. it goes up 2 octaves and down 2 octaves. > > >>>> I don't know > > >>>> another looper that does that so freely. > > >>>> > > >>>> The only trouble I'm having with it as a DL4 > > >>>> replacement is that the > > >>>> feedback doesn't get out of control, it's very tame > > >>>> by my standards, > > >>>> and there is no way to reverse a loop. Other than > > >>>> those 2 things it > > >>>> is an absolutely brilliant piece of equipment. the > > >>>> soun d quality is > > >>>> unparalleled. > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm waiting to see how on top of updates they are. > > >>>> They seemed very > > >>>> responsive in email, so I hope they will be adding > > >>>> features soon. If > > >>>> not I may return it. > > >>>> > > >>>> Teddy > > >>>> > > >>>> On Sep 4, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Dan Ash wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the > > >>>> capabilities of > > >>>>> the midi implementation, and it's vague on sync > > >>>> and exactly what > > >>>>> can be controlled with .CC messages. But it > > >>>> appears to offer a 12- > > >>>>> second loop (longer at re duced bit rate) and a > > >>>> midi-learn > > >>>>> function. If the feedback rate is controllable > > >>>> with an external > > >>>>> pedal I could be interested - a portable looper > > >>>> that can double as > > >>>>> a delay... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Dan Ash > > >>>>> White Plains, NY > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:01:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7C563BF57; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:01:11 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode In-reply-to: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46DF3537.6050406@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74199 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for the info. I suspected someone here would have the skinny. I actually have a couple more questions - is there any sort of sync capability when using the loop mode? If so, does the looped material change speed and/or pitch? - Is the feedback rate variable using CC messages? - am I right that that the loop can't be saved; and that the USB port is just for software updates, and not for digital out or file management Thanks, Dan Dan Ash White Plains, NY Dan Ash wrote: > > Ths manual for this unit doesn't specify all the capabilities of the > midi implementation, and it's vague on sync and exactly what can be > controlled with .CC messages. But it appears to offer a 12-second loop > (longer at reduced bit rate) and a midi-learn function. If the > feedback rate is controllable with an external pedal I could be > interested - a portable looper that can double as a delay... > > http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:14:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C935F3BF60; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=j+I7HjQhwtu1BYHFgk/t9FThwqEQp42JjP3JrVFuWbaNXbgKxR5mHeRsABu0iBso; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Thread-Index:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: "'RICK WALKER'" , "'LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)'" Subject: RE: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 19:16:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <003301c7ecef$99e1cf00$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Thread-Index: AcfvOmmwa18gsbFtR9+7xnUv0TWV+wA2Fc0A Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bcc56791be01627052326b916e240994af350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.93.99 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74200 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:14:12 +0000 (UTC) 2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:48:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA0263BF69; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Message-id: <003f01c7f017$3190dd80$0200000a@remwaves> From: "Torstein H.Rem" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <46DDC545.5030302@Verizon.net> Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:48:00 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74201 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:48:16 +0000 (UTC) http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=281266 http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=280629 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode > On 4 sep 2007, at 22.51, Dan Ash wrote: > >> http://www.eventidestompboxes.com/ > > Yes, I've seen that one. Still eagerly waiting for someone who owns one > to report a little. Didn't find any relevant info on Harmony Central's > user reviews since it is still rather new on the market. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: > 269.13.6/991 - Release Date: 05.09.2007 14:55 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 5 23:58:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAF373BF66; Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 19:57:44 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46DF4278.8050607@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: <7sncp.A.l4E.MK03GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74202 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:58:04 +0000 (UTC) I believe the effect Greg is referring to can be heard towards the end of Tommy Bolin's solo on the song Quadrant 4 on Billy Cobham's album 'Spectrum'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbLjObdYWhQ The effect can be heard about 2-1/2 minutes in and again at the end of the guitar solo... This recording has always a reference point for me for masterful use of feedback and delay. It's similar to a runaway analog delay, and I'm still not 100% sure that's it's just an Echoplex because it seems like it would require at least two hands to change the regen level and speed controls - not to mention that Bolin uses it to close a burning solo. One thing that I can say fer sure, tho - put that in a box and I'm there! Dan Ash White Plains, NY > Subject: > Re: Anybody see this? Eventide delay unit w/ loop mode > From: > Teddy Kumpel > Date: > Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:46:22 -0400 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > On Sep 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Greg Mills wrote: > >> >>> You can alter the pitch of your loop with an expression pedal. >> >> Teddy, thanks for the info. I've been looking for a box that would >> give me >> Echoplex effects similar to Tommy Bolin's. If you've heard the kind of >> effects I'm talking about, would you say the Eventide box would do >> the job? >> >> Greg > > > sorry, I don't know what that is. > > you can download the eventide's manual from their website > > Teddy From tonyfrank56@hotmail.com Thu Sep 6 01:40:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 722 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 01:40:19 UTC Received: from bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.152]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA0423BF57 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY129-W24 ([65.55.134.59]) by bay0-omc2-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 5 Sep 2007 18:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_95dd94b5-9c13-4645-888c-d863c7d4dd34_" X-Originating-IP: [208.70.6.137] From: tony frank Subject: FINAL PAYMENT NOTIFICATION Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:28:16 +0100 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 01:28:16.0730 (UTC) FILETIME=[333ADBA0:01C7F025] To: undisclosed-recipients:; --_95dd94b5-9c13-4645-888c-d863c7d4dd34_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FINAL PAYMENT NOTIFICATION This is to inform you that the meeting we held on Thursday 2nd August`.2007= with our board of directors and trustees of the Union Bank in conjunction = with the World Bank Auditors and The United Nations delegates revealed that= all our foreign payment settlement should be settled through a diplomatic = means. 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Thank you for being a valued Chase customer.  From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 03:09:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 243E03BF50; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 03:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=W/kafMcHXfcsjpRezfTSYRmY62uuHotHH1qdWfDzjnk=; b=c5DWB5Gp1X+L5DxWZS8kqiE6g6fNT/MrmEAf5fV50OuI0IJy4ohb2/9TWoKYB39uoTg0Zy06aMORV25bj5mv8qsqK7d/LgzBhxHdx9oyintRHgBujuqpuUNp+0Of7ufAP+uYaHuWDUXfCvqkeH6aW76+ppTep9Y2n5t7XzwgZ6o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bfoonJPLfI4FeV8esXJZm9yVtLlg+2WG2Zg7eD5jK1vYxdtRprqE94Lj309DRDt5wulduEPqL/hhhoULIJRioY99o3DEfbh5qCVJd2Pcoa4Cdfeh4iSbj282AHJcMtuSIeucBQv6zB3p2T0nbwbY+716/dgkXC/QhFE4oUeVxFE= Message-ID: <46DF6FCB.6000503@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 23:11:07 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: looking to buy an rc-50 or rc-2 (spam) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <1rMoZD.A.riC.-923GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74203 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 03:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Anyone got a used one they want to part with? the Rc-50 is probably out of my price range, but if you want to chat you can see my direct email or aim: Themaminjaminist sorry for the spam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 05:06:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A864B3BF59; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:06:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002501c7f043$a101e700$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0C2F596B-3FE1-4DF6-AACD-B5848B6205EE@free.fr> Subject: Re: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:06:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7F011.553119E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74204 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:06:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7F011.553119E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? If I don't use the digest mode = and delete messages after I read or reply to them, then I lose the = original context of follow-on emails if everyone deletes most of the = original message. Personally, I like to see the thread of responses all = in one individual email, but that is only my own preference. So what = may be time saving for the convenience of digest users may in fact be = more time consuming for some non-digest users, if I have to sift through = my trash can to find the original thread that someone deleted. =20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Just a quick reminder (no need to reply to this mail to the list) : = could you all please erase the unnecessary parts of emails you're = responding to ? This list is the only one I know where between 50% and 90% of each = digest' content is made of citations of previous emails. Erasing what's = not needed just takes a few seconds and is considered basic "netiquette" = everywhere, you know... :) Thanks in advance, "Simulating the true styles and making carefully. Many colours a lot, selected freely by you !" ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7F011.553119E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Out of curiousity, what is = "unnecessary"? If I=20 don't use the digest mode and delete messages after I read or reply to = them,=20 then I lose the original context of follow-on emails if everyone deletes = most of=20 the original message.  Personally, I like to see the thread of = responses=20 all in one individual email, but that is only my own preference.  = So what=20 may be time saving for the convenience of digest users may in fact be = more time=20 consuming for some non-digest users, if I have to sift through my trash = can to=20 find the original thread that someone deleted. 
 
Kris
----- Original Message -----
 

Just a quick reminder (no need to reply to this mail to = the=20 list) : could you all please erase the unnecessary parts of emails = you're=20 responding to ?

This list is the only one I know where between 50% and 90% of = each=20 digest' content is made of citations of previous emails. Erasing = what's=20 not needed just takes a few seconds and is considered basic = "netiquette"=20 everywhere, you know... :)
 
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"Simulating the true styles and making carefully.
 Many colours a lot, selected freely by you=20 !"


------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7F011.553119E0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 05:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 448043BF54; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:41:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <1am6M.A.78H.ZM53GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74205 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 05:41:45 +0000 (UTC) > Kris, > I am a bit late on this but ill tell you my opinion on > the fw800,i own it since about a year.At first i was > impressed with its sim but compared to my Koch > twintone tube amp it sounds a bit harsh for my > ears,ive used it though for funky compressed rhythm > guitar tracks which works ok.Ive never used it live > though. > Nothing coming out of a guitar through a digital amp > sim has really impressed me soundwise, i remember > seeing Fripp live and he had a Digitech new preamp and > a roland GP100 at the time and his sound was really > cold to my ears,Adrian on the other had had a much > warmer sound! > Luis Yup. I agree. Most of the digital sim amps I've used sound relatively "stiff" and lacking in that non-linear warmness you get from a tube amp. The Roland Cube series does the best that I have been able to find with my own testing and personal preferences I'm surprised no on has commented on the sound clip I send out with my best shot at a warm jazz guitar tone with just the Boogex VST amp sim. Not a single soul replied...how disappointing. : ( I've been working on that computer based tone for years, and I am a picky SOB when it comes to juzz guitar tone...not that I am using it to play trad jazz, but I start with that tone as a starting point for most of my avant-garde looping performances. I've just grown to like a nice warm and traditional jazz guitar tone from a tube amp. Here is the original message, in case most everyon deleted it by accident amidst all the OT threads. Cheers, K- ***************** Now, here is my tone example (not a song, just me looping the A section of "Black Orpheus"and soloing over the top): - Guitar running directly into my ThinkPad T60p sound card (just the stock soundcard and ASIO for All driver), no preamp - Sound card into Max/MSP patch - MAX/MSP patch with only the free Boogex amp VST and my max reverb patch (no other effects or patches) And to add some comedy to the clip, I recorded this with my mini guitar, a 1/2 size Epi "Roadie" solid body electric, with a '57 reissue humbucker (from my ES-335), shown here: http://www.krispenhartung.com/gear/epi.jpg Here is the clip, complete with clams and blemishes: http://www.box.net/shared/static/8ougz31hkk.mp3 Now, I actually think this tone is halfway decent, given the clean and warm jazz tone I after, and given that I'm not even using a real amp, just a VST, and using no preamp or "botique" external audio interface. My next test will be when I get my Fireface 400. If I see a major improvement, I may be good to go. We'll see. Bottom line, for guys wanting to get a traditional jazz tone, I think there is hope for doing that withh the laptop and decent audio intereface....and a mini solid body electric to boot! :) Imagine that. I could do a standards jazz gig with a mini guitar...seems ridiculous, but doable. I might get a lot of laughs. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 06:36:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E64323BF58; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:36:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=6DdVQIgLTsCevNXHQHsZC1BisHi3jaXYw4SMQ3UgRrM=; b=uK+LjgfIb8eULYzS0GoPSN0AAvMbP49IvUVwFCtdYWMibRFOocFMm3kEnouMeKNPruT/RxSBI6F6tvYVXWyRCTSyzuMSDVQl9r78dYCGKh2t2RsO+YK1AfY5q1fZKFLMGULQePltC5kzZm4Z6snUsGlKCn+f66u7SQh5Qel5uWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SQ40Eqi06r1FOGkZK2OCgVm/8aruJpv3MxyUslF5UqP0gTwNizTWF6dz2M29IZWfE5KFxGDz4/joJln0SPOMq/CihTjh4KeHlyUHAb9+c6uEtjoDd8CpHtifMmx1BuJsL02ZWySyf4F+xL1wgmnZxgZyr/17qupxgK4xNpcNs8A= In-Reply-To: <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Jazz tone (Re: RME Firewire 800 and Guitar Amp Sim) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:36:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74206 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 06:36:52 +0000 (UTC) On 6 sep 2007, at 07.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm surprised no on has commented on the sound clip I send > out with my best shot at a warm jazz guitar tone with just > the Boogex VST amp sim. Not a single soul replied...how > disappointing. : ( Did you check the OT list? Well, that was just a joke ;-). I definitely remembered hearing that posted audio clip one week ago because it sounds very good. But I never looked at the picture of the guitar until today and I think it's remarkable that you used a mini guitar for such a full sound! If you could move the pickup a bit closer to the neck it would sound even better for a fat and warm jazz tone. The Swedish guitarist Ulf Wakenius has a fantastic jazz tone with a cheap Les Paul copy by Aria ("pro 2" model). Check out the videos at his MySpace page! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=153739765 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 08:11:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5AE583BF50; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LOX3Pbwo/y/9SGVPdHkr4y0up4prFuZoSN0F7qkUpYNEQPzwN0ylzHWNhjJBRX6cqsXREP1S+sC7JqY+zYvwfTtBY4fK1y39T9HHdgac+t/FmAzP84fbgFADW5gEOGql3lfcmlHpO4l1ryKsmPfYkRzBrU1xAHln3XhczpHG+IQ=; X-YMail-OSG: B_zq1FIVM1l1jsK.jyfI2riJBvH0u2LjxarmPikKSHHclo8ZRtqsT4n0i3pFl2eoWg-- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: RC-2, Busking Gig this Morning To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11b801c7e1d3$3fb39030$3ab2ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <531068.4519.qm@web38603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74207 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:11:53 +0000 (UTC) Kris i hear you the RC-2 is too small which becomes impractical! --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > I just got back from my 3 hour busk/street gig here > in Boise....our City Market artist series. It's > basically a two block street affair with tons of > people milling about - a farmer's and artist market > sort of deal with musicians at every corner. The > Boise City Arts Commission pays musicians ($150) > here to play every weekend. > > Anyway, I used my Taylor Nylon string guitar, my > Schetler "David" Acoustic amp (beautiful!), and the > RC-2. I now have new impressions of the > RC-2....FREAKIN' Frustrating!!! That damn one > button does everything thing is a pain in the ass. I > could never get my loops to stop like I wanted them > without messing things up, starting and stopping the > loop, thinking it was reset, then discovering it > wasn't when I hit the button and the prior loop > played, etc. It's a nice clean and small device, > just too much of a hassle to do everything with one > button. I don't want to pack my other computer with > me, with Mobius, either. I was even scrambling to > get my old computer installed with Mobius, but I ran > out of time and had to jet to the gig. > > For these portable, "pop" music loop gigs, I'm > thinking of getting one of the new Boomerangs, the > Boomerang III? But when is this thing supposed to be > out? I really want a floor looper that is stereo, > has multiple loops or at least A/B, loop extend > (multiply), pitch shift, reverse, etc. The Rang III > seems to fit the bill. I'm not interested in the new > Boss either. Any idea when the new Rang will be out? > > On a side note, these public gigs are really > interesting. I just play improvised contemporary > jazz, free-style stuff, and I get an unbelievable > amount of people requesting CDs of the material. I > don't have the heart to sell them one of my existing > CDs, because it is nothing like what they hear, and > would probably give them a heart attack. The > popular, unquenchable taste for vanilla, garden > variety instrumental music is just mind blowing. > People flock to this music like moths to flame. I > could actually make money as an artist if I recorded > and sold this style of music. I don't even have to > think to do it...just sit down, play, and hit the > record button...it takes virtually no creative > energy whatsoever. Order a bunch of CDs from > Kunaki, and I'm selling this widget music like > hotcakes. :) I guess I'm not really > surprised...just forgot how easy it is to play music > that reaps tons of complements and raves from the > common public, without even trying. > > Kris > > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! 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Angulo" Subject: CD duplication recomendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46C72CC7.6040308@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74208 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold at CD baby and need to press more,complete with booklet, artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes here in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in the U.S. since thats where they are being sold the most,could you recomend me a good professional company with reasonable prices in the sates? thanx! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 08:30:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B9B3BF48; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:30:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5tkEBVFji9AxJcYi6Pi2oHZ+NLn18XbfaupalXgDQD0euhEYpWb+alz8wMuMWk1GwRhNaHPeGqkQmvOAQeAuPGkAUXCLmdcSKguul7Y5FpDqADRino/3XvEmE9D5IyPo0UWM78zDMl/bnnvFIuTHIghZ7Y1wLiItcYdefjnfsn8=; X-YMail-OSG: GZXw2wAVM1nwTEDVddhGzPrUEl8daHnsmAkgdT.d5fL7BGgna6cKrp_8rFxYd11UJxdqfsRjYWIRzfHyg0Mj4Hqxjk9LwZJBVNCZArnTlKLkxr6EABI- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:30:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: would you folks mind signing your posts? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00b701c7e088$be542c70$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <568209.94794.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74209 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:30:51 +0000 (UTC) I know what u mean bro, midifriedchicken always sounded like a tasty cooking recepie to me;-) Luis > As an example, who is midifriedchicken? > Also, while we are at it...................I'm > getting half a dozen daily > digests a day because people are just hitting return > on their replies to threads and including a lot of > unnecessary extra quoted > wordage in their replies. > > We've talked about this several times but the Daily > Digest is intended to be > able to save internet time for people who > are time challenged but still want to participate. > > Please be kind and edit your return posts and only > quote relevant passages > in the threads you are writing. > It makes rereading a thread much easier. > > respectfully yours, Rick Walker > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 08:46:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 985D23BF5F; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:46:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=E9KKJ3OPtDOOgkZOaiDjKx+5iaQpBpvkFbMmaEXRW7RpT2oSSA3w8fySIMwXxvmr/H/2qGa2aGZbf12L4oaB3vGeiOqDlrOzXXiNhAPrdn/+miwl5Ao160EMYVpXv2p3jwpp9C4lZD4o2uK3T+KzXYDf+t4y5MV38e0nw40PUI0=; X-YMail-OSG: B5Mw2dEVM1kmglfCo7XQbPLT4ewHqt1.K79FJEf0bWhnDDuYkueL7YxV9WZH4smWCue6uV9mYUu6Zyy5L8lLGzD2DJ6hVw5M7AhiE5MvNrqNETgjiF8- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Static Loops, Quantized Sequences and Music that Breathes To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003301c7df9a$b04e0810$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <787554.52952.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74210 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:46:41 +0000 (UTC) bro, somehow i didnt get the breathing druming excercise post youre talking about but you could resend it to me,and congratulations on the drum article you sure deserve it ma man! Luis --- RICK WALKER wrote: > -- > D. wrote: > " the drummer doesn't like clicks or > flashing lights & in any case, we all think that for > the music to be > able to "breathe", we don't want quartz-locked BPM. > > Having been a live and studio drummer professionally > for 30 years I feel > compelled to > chime in here. All music, including > quartz-locked BPM loops or sequenced > music > has the ability to 'breathe". It just takes a > more sophisticated > drummer (and other > musicians) to make it appear to breathe. > > In the case of playing to quantized sequences or > static loops, it is > efficacious to > practice playing anywhere from way behind the beat > (in a musical fashion > that does > not 'lose' the connection to the quantized part) to > way, way up on top of > the beat. > > Early on in studio playing (and before the advent of > computerized recording > that allows > people to edit so effortlessly with digital > crossfading like anyone can do > on a home > computer these days) we learned that we could make > recordings much faster > (and > hence, way less costly) by using click tracks that > kept the musicians more > honest in > terms of overall tempo (there's breathing in this > case and there's just > plain old shitty > timekeeping, if you know what I mean). > > At the same time, rigidity is the first inherent > problem of trying to learn > how to play to > clicks. > > We were forced , back in the day (early 80's when I > did the bulk of my > professional > studio work) to try and figure out how to make the > music feel organic even > if we were > playing to a quantized click track. > > During that process, we learned that if we were to > get off of the click > that we needed to > drift back to it instead of trying to jump > immediately to the proper tempo > (in the former, > you never hear the mistake in the recording; in the > latter, you hear the > 'bump' in the > time immediately). > > Learning how to do this...............to play at a > different place in the > beat, that still is > musical then helped prepare us when we encountered > people from other > cultures who > 'felt' the beat differently (Southern soul > musicians who play very, very > laid back and > behind the beat, West coast funkateers who are way > up on top of things, > Brazilians > who have great time but don't play to a 16th note > evenly spaced grid in > their playing, > etc.) > > I have to say when I hear of a drummer who says, > "I hate click tracks or > blinking lights > or playing to static loops" I think, here is a > drummer whose overall > understanding of > the concept of keeping time is not real > sophisticated. > > The drummer, probably more than anyone, is capable > of imparting great > difference in > the way a piece of music if felt, vis a viz time. > The drummer can make > really > locked quantized parts feel very organic and can > make completely > unsynchronized > musicians feel very rigid and static depending on > how he or she plays. > > Time is a deep world. It's a fascinating world. > Like all things, it's > really good for > one's musicianship to stay flexible when it comes to > playing in any musical > setting. > > A mentor of mine (a guitarist who had backed Aretha > Franklin for several > years) once > said, "Every song can groove at any > tempo...........it's your job to > figure out how to > make a song groove" (and breathe) if it is played > at an uncomfortable > tempo or if it is > locked to a quartz-locked BPM. If someone calls > 'Sunshine of your Love" at > a > ludicrously slow tempo, you can make it groove like > hell if you play way > behind the > beat and in a very heavy manner. The same is true > if it is called too > fast. > This musician taught me that any audience can hear > if you change tempo in a > song > (especially if you are compensating at the start of > a song because it > 'doesn't feel right.' > He said, "The audience never knows if you are doing > a rendition of a tune > or trying to > play it authentically..........they only know if > your time is strong or not. > > He would drill our band at the time by purposefully > call different (and > unconventional) > tempos for different tunes in our > repertoire...............if we complained > that such a song > was at the wrong speed, he would yell at us, "Find > the groove, find the > groove". > > It was one of the best disciplines I ever learned as > a professional touring > and studio > drummer and, to this day, it feels unprofessional > when someone tries to get > me to speed up or slow down because a song feels > wrong................lol, > it's just not > always appropriate for me to yell, "Find the > groove, find the groove you > guys!!!!" > > Rick Walker > > ps Earlier on this list, I believe that I posted > a series of exercises > that I have been > using with great success with beginning beginner > drummers and bassists so > that they > can learn how to 'breathe' and play with different > relaxed feels to a click > track. > Check it out if you feel like you don't know how to > do this yourself. It > only takes a > couple of hours of work to learn how to do this and > your whole musical world > will > change if you learn the concept. There's only > one little > warning.......once you learn > how to play effortlessly and with a natural > 'breathing quality' to a click > track you will > begin to notice how many musicians out there don't > know how to do it and are > xenophobic when it comes to the concept. > If you can't find the exercises, I'll repost them. > Just let me know if > you are interested > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 08:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C8353BF72; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5SFe93PrCPldSfVhtb9ejR8ETBkhSrgTJcRgVzuIjSuskPzHQBaIXxomXiZ0YieVyIrFIt0l4kgAxowr4FrvTB/UoBqyFQVFFuXmkmMipZLXOm4Urhousv8N90m6QoUIui4ESSTPexWVsp/rjiPlKgqtly4IxnJTnGJAssvgTdU=; X-YMail-OSG: W_djX3wVM1kmbU0iXIwJcG3_3WOcO.Y0XDPx99ja7j3XWyLRdiIFFkYRcM129k0Yp7uR0qMhXgtAfaBUBqFD.ID71nNMfy7kmz7tmToLcuFCH86XUUM- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 01:59:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Make your own radio station. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <005601c7deb2$ddc775d0$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <521461.59994.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74211 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 08:59:03 +0000 (UTC) those bastards wont let europeans listen to their station;-) Luis --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > Hey, > > I don't know if any of you know about this, but a > friend recently turned me > on to this: > > http://www.pandora.com > > It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio > station tailored to your > tastes. Doesn't have all the obscure stuff but I > typed in Floratone and it > was there. > > Mark > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 09:26:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A1833BF59; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <010601c7f067$f4607b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> From: "RICK WALKER" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 02:26:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74212 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Krispen wrote: Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? If I don't use the digest mode and delete messages after I read or reply to them, then I lose the original context of follow-on emails if everyone deletes most of the original message. Personally, I like to see the thread of responses all in one individual email, but that is only my own preference. So what may be time saving for the convenience of digest users may in fact be more time consuming for some non-digest users, if I have to sift through my trash can to find the original thread that someone deleted. Dear Kris, This whole process does not have to be black and white. If you are just concious of those of us who are trying to keep our email reading to a minimum (the daily digest readers) all it takes is you quoting a particular line or paragraph of something that you are responding to and ERASING the previous five or six lengthy posts that you and others are currently including in all of your emails to the list. A good deal of the posts to this list after threads have started are people making really quick one or two sentence comments to individual things that people have said in the last post. It just takes a little tiny bit of work and consideration on the part of everyone to solve the problem of the 5-8 Daily Digests that we have been getting lately. People keep politely requesting that people edit their posts. I don't think it is an unreasonable request at all. Please have some compassion about this subject. yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 10:05:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6EB303BF69; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Y62PvyQ9cAiyEnFbQWyZ1+G/mxnZWhwYMzAOib70Pp0=; b=nKYTZ1U6xUFidRd1owMq4EIG5RfSX5ZldLLc4/ySoyMfiQqJSVx68zogypOHPvNcSLfCWXMjnPWOezL86iRNKqf7GL7KqWpeUpWsFyla8vKVCK0jlWapQ+V9RQuo6yWDTwAgu0OgXFLxMIZBCgXMRnlQ16ZRavIZHP530v1yWfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MwSaqpqRtUIRSe9Z5RoVV4b5ao3KNGeu+NTm9eNvH6ImIBbJw4WPh4/b+HqdojdyfXdPb6A7YdDAOPbnThNteRwx2pfNPsstzNqe8H/zKEYoBaPmglnwPE847Tikp83SvYq3HEche4dkH+bz2gMfqFtJUw5uUI/i9djWG7tSEOE= In-Reply-To: <010601c7f067$f4607b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> References: <010601c7f067$f4607b90$64ddfea9@DAYGLOGREEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:05:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74213 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:05:25 +0000 (UTC) > Krispen wrote: > Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? I'd say leave everything that is needed for a new reader to fully understand the background to your own post! Looper Delight don't have any common routine for if you should add your own post above or below previous posts, so here you have to improvise. Personally I always go in the same direction as previous writers. You can also tidy up a bit so a new reader can easily see who wrote what. To minimize the text mass for Digest Version Readers you should only keep the essential parts of each previous post in your message (delete all "small talks" and where people say the same thing twice). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 10:38:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E6C73BF71; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:38:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:35:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46DFD7F4.9000303@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <9oB2s.A.oDC.Bj93GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74214 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:38:58 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long Special ocus on Dutch group Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Impulse 2005" on Strange Charm Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 8 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will start issue 15 out of 16 so this special is drawing to a close soon. What next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 12:06:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 56C8A3BF4A; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019601c7f07e$49f66ae0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <521461.59994.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: OT: discovering new artists and music (not looping content) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:05:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74215 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi people, I've just got back from my holydays...and i've found lot of e.mails from this list...ARGHHH ! This is just to share a new band from Spain i discovered a few months ago: the name is Ojos De Brujo (http://ojosdebrujo.com/) I think that those of you who are attracted by rhythm and flamenco style can enjoy them: there is a lot of tabla, palmas, tacones, cajon, drums and DJ scretch... all together. There is also a nice and hard contamination between traditional flamenco style and funky, dub, and electronica (there is also a DJ in the ensemble). If you like Ojos the Brujo, i strongly raccomend their last album "Techarì". If interested, there are a lot of live performance on you tube. You can start from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2obwOKQQPk Some mails from this list has shown an interest for the "east" sound; for example, i remeber there was a lot of talkin about tablas and other similar percussions, forgetting other nice percussions like the "cajon" . And also forgetting the complex rhythm of flamenco (that has a dozen of musical forms (called "palos"): buleria, solea, rumba, taranta, etc...., each one with his own rhythm character and accents (for some examples, check this : http://www.compas-flamenco.com/en/palos.html) In addition to the original elements of flamenco, Paco de Lucia, added (and is adding) new elements from jazz, classic, and latin music. Today there are a lot artists adding more elements: from tango, to electronica. That's why i love that so called "new flamenco", because is a genre that is living an edge of growing contamination with other syles or kind of musics, that i've never seen, or remember, in other musical genre. Just to share... fabio www.eterogeneo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 13:42:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCBBD3BF6C; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:42:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 654511659 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F08B.CAF33A33" Subject: RE: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:42:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720508BCD4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <002501c7f043$a101e700$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Thread-Index: Acfwi8sWGf7hC0bFQfSD2t7mmUDwSQ== References: <002501c7f043$a101e700$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 13:42:41.0169 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBAEA810:01C7F08B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74216 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:42:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F08B.CAF33A33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? If I [snip] delete messages after I read or reply to them, then I lose the original context of follow-on emails .... . <<=20 =20 that took me ten seconds. :-) =20 duncan. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F08B.CAF33A33 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>Out of curiousity, what is=20 "unnecessary"? If I  [snip] delete messages after I = read or=20 reply to them, then I lose the original context of follow-on emails .... . << 
 
that took me ten seconds.=20 :-)
 
duncan.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F08B.CAF33A33-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:03:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F5E63BF64; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:03:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74217 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Kunaki.com I am totally impressed with their services. I have many friends who are moving to them as well. It takes a while to get your templates down, but once you do that, you are set. email me off line and I can help you. They have specs for their artwork. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:22 AM Subject: CD duplication recomendation > Hi folks, > ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold at > CD baby and need to press more,complete with booklet, > artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes here > in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in the > U.S. since thats where they are being sold the > most,could you recomend me a good professional company > with reasonable prices in the sates? > thanx! > cheers > Luis > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:08:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85B1D3BF78; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02d101c7f097$cecf2b80$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002501c7f043$a101e700$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720508BCD4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:08:38 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02CC_01C7F065.82FCFED0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74218 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:08:41 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01C7F065.82FCFED0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes, but if I don't have the original message, as a non-digest reader, = I have no clue what the context is. And we all know what happens when = folks quote out of context. I'm not promoting not trimming posts down = here (I'm supporting the band wagon in this case, actually)...I do it = frequently, but also consciously choose to leave full prior text as well = in some other posts, if I deem it important for the read to have access = to understand the gist of my post. But Rick put is well that it is not black and white. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 . >>Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? If I [snip] delete = messages after I read or reply to them, then I lose the original context = of follow-on emails .... . <<=20 that took me ten seconds. :-) duncan. ------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01C7F065.82FCFED0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
yes,  but if I don't have the = original=20 message, as a non-digest reader, I have no clue what the context = is. =20 And we all know what happens when folks quote out of context. =  I'm not=20 promoting not trimming posts down here (I'm supporting the band wagon in = this=20 case, actually)...I do it frequently, but also consciously choose to = leave full=20 prior text as well in some other posts, if I deem it important for the = read to=20 have access to understand the gist of my post.
 
But Rick put is well that it is not = black and=20 white.
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----
.

>>Out of curiousity, what is=20 "unnecessary"? If I  [snip] delete messages after = I read or=20 reply to them, then I lose the original context of follow-on = emails .... . << 
 
that took me ten seconds.=20 :-)
 
duncan.
------=_NextPart_000_02CC_01C7F065.82FCFED0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:10:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CDD93BF69; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:10:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=x/d5wCz3sEELHYz5mg/rDbupivekG/hHjms5/fhMWss=; b=b5rYo6KeM6UslN/VDqVVgQBc8VQ/wMDPLf29y5wtJ0gulnvt+hkVZbbhb7PghZIeUUV9+YZDSl1GilJyjIBuqBlanOChtNKkXtCHZqJNJFx5LJoCrBOW97J3zagICSGYEZjI4Qc5alxocVzCYB2Ppol7CC+zNfhivLf3iru6aLE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sqyQ0zT7qPwuYDwJ1p9muXtLqOS/zQxdvleEHC4QZrr8CXuVonCpaxPSwlqYTgvmH9SQNF4exAHEilFU9vcUo44pBPW9a6g8WZlwiCJuJE/5i/QfwUQdXTxfhv18erBMeAkwQJ227ghbQYLdvoX3AvpLETNT8ajwclhzHQNWbXo= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 11:10:37 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation In-Reply-To: <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_63068_12204676.1189091437818" References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6zdCW.A.dNC.vhB4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74219 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:10:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_63068_12204676.1189091437818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >From Krispen lead recommendation we have done Chinapainting's Trick of AMethyst CD with Kunaki and I have moved my 4 solo guitar CD's to their replication as well. I t's the best of any short-run duplicator I've tried including Discmakers that while good quality gets much more costlier, it's very hard to beat the $1.60 a unit with Kunaki. Thanks for this Kris... Jim Goodin www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.jimgoodinmusic.com On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Kunaki.com > > I am totally impressed with their services. I have many friends who are > moving to them as well. It takes a while to get your templates down, but > once you do that, you are set. email me off line and I can help you. They > have specs for their artwork. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:22 AM > Subject: CD duplication recomendation > > > > Hi folks, > > ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold at > > CD baby and need to press more,complete with booklet, > > artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes here > > in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in the > > U.S. since thats where they are being sold the > > most,could you recomend me a good professional company > > with reasonable prices in the sates? > > thanx! > > cheers > > Luis > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > -- The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic Chinapainting - http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com Chinapainting on My Space - http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com Associates and friends on the web - Daryl Shawn - http://www.swanwelder.com Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_63068_12204676.1189091437818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
From Krispen lead recommendation we have done Chinapainting's Trick of AMethyst CD with Kunaki and I have moved my 4 solo guitar CD's to their replication as well.  I t's the best of any short-run duplicator I've tried including Discmakers that while good quality gets much more costlier, it's very hard to beat the $1.60 a unit with Kunaki.  Thanks for this Kris...
 
Jim Goodin


 
On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
Kunaki.com

I am totally impressed with their services.  I have many friends who are
moving to them as well. It takes a while to get your templates down, but
once you do that, you are set.  email me off line and I can help you. They
have specs for their artwork.

Kris

----- Original Message -----
From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>
To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:22 AM
Subject: CD duplication recomendation


> Hi folks,
> ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold at
> CD baby and need to press more,complete with booklet,
> artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes here
> in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in the
> U.S. since thats where they are being sold the
> most,could you recomend me a good professional company
> with reasonable prices in the sates?
> thanx!
> cheers
> Luis
>
> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> Shape Yahoo! in your own image.  Join our Network Research Panel today!
> http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
>
>




--
The Acoustic World Guitar of Jim Goodin  - http://www.jimgoodinmusic.com
MySpace (solo) - http://www.myspace.com/jimgoodinmusic
Chinapainting -
http://www.chinapaintingmusic.com
Chinapainting on My Space -
http://www.myspace.com/chinapaintingmusic.com
The Jim Goodin label and home for 7 other creative souls - http://www.woodandwiremusic.com
Jim Goodin uses GHS Strings - http://www.ghsstrings.com and Seagull Guitars - http://www.seagullguitars.com, Jim Goodin is published by Mel Bay Publications, Inc. - http://www.melbay.com

Associates and friends on the web -
Daryl Shawn -
http://www.swanwelder.com
Adam Werner - http://www.adamwerner.com
John Stowell - http://www.johnstowell.com
Matt Richards - http://www.mattrichardsmusic.net
Michael Manring - http://www.manthing.com
Will Ackerman - http://www.williamackerman.com
New Land Music - http://www.newlandmusic.com ------=_Part_63068_12204676.1189091437818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 15:43:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A653E3BF68; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 09:43:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74220 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:43:15 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > it's very hard to beat the $1.60 a unit with Kunaki. Thanks for this > Kris... Here are some more tips regarding Kunaki, that I've learned along the way, after creating five CDs with them thus far: 1. Some things are difficult to find on the site, but you can find the CD specs here: http://kunaki.com/scripts/help.htm Be sure to create your templates in 300 dpi, and use their exact dimensions, because if you don't, their program re-sizes your files to fit their specs (which you don't want). 2. They don't provide templates, but just create your own with the above specs, and then you have to use trial and error to get the binding text alignment and other text alignment correct. DON'T try to use standard CD specs...they won't work. Just use trial and error with their design software and a mock project. Also note that their specs DO NOT include a full bleed, and do not include full bleed space in your templates...their program will only resize it to their actual print/cut dimensions. This is important. You could add 2 feet of full bleed space, and when you upload to their program, it will just resize to fit in their "virtual jewel case". So, what you see is what you get. 3. I highly recommend ordering just one CD first so that you can inspect it (your very first CD is free, but after that you pay the $1.60 per CD). If you find that the graphics are not right, you cannot edit the project. You have to delete it on your account page of kunaki.com, and then re-upload a new project. You cannot re-upload a revised version of the project, just create a brand new project. 4. Their software is fairly intuitive (but PC only). You launch the executable, define your project info (title, etc), and then start browsing to your graphic tif files on your hard drive. The program places your graphics in a virtual CD jewel case, and this is your only method if seeing whether your alignment is correct. If it isn't, you just go back and edit your graphics, and then browse for them again while you are in the software program....repeat until everything looks visually right. Once you have your CD graphics right, the program then asks you to put your CD-R in your drive. It makes a digital copy of the CD-R and adds it to the design info. Once you are done, the software saves your project to a giant file on your hard drive. You can either open it later or click a button while you are still in the program to upload the project to the kunaki server. 5. After the kunaki design program creates your project file (graphics + sound), it gives you an option of burning a CD-R from that file. I highly recommend doing this before you upload your project to their server, and listen to it through and through....that way you know there were no errors in the ripping of the original CD-R to your project file. It hasn't happened to me, but I know of someone who didn't do this, and ordered 50 CDs that had audio glitches. It was a problem with their system, not the kunaki program. It's just safe to check before you upload to their server. 6. Kunaki's policy is that you or a customer order at least one CD from your project every 90 days. I you don't, they will retire your project, and you'll have to re-upload a new version from the project file on your hard drive. 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© 2007 Bank of America & Co. All rights reserved. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 16:56:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABC7D3BF74; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070906125640.271P5.396359.root@fepweb15> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:56:40 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION In-Reply-To: <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74221 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:56:45 +0000 (UTC) Hi there, For those of us who are Apple users or iTunes customers, some of us got the "new product announcement" from them this morning. What I am writing to say has nothing to do with Apple or their products. But if you followed some of the links on their email and (ultimately) the pages it sends you to, you can wind up at Stephen Jobs' recent keynote address. At the end of this longish presentation (say the last 5%) Jobs' gives the stage over to Britt singer/songwriter KT Tunstall who . . . to my amazement starts out her 2-song set with a solo (voice, tamborine and guitar) looping piece. I'm not at all familiar with her . . . she may have been a looper all along . . . and this might not be news. But, I just thought I'd mention the fact that here is one more instance of looping hitting the mainstream. She didn't even explain what she was doing . . . and in fact she fumbled just a little at first. So . . . here is a mainstream performer, looping, without disclaimer or verbal footnote calling attention to it, and making a very public splash with it. Cool. Ted From root@server749.peel7.com Thu Sep 6 16:59:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 10697 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:59:05 UTC Received: from server749.peel7.com (server749.peel7.com [69.36.3.34]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECBF93BF63 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 829) by server749.peel7.com with local; Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:58:12 -0400 id 0000FEAA.46E00774.00004902 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: Account Security Measures Notification Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii From: Nationwide Bank Reply-To: Nationwide Bank Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 09:58:12 -0400

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 17:49:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C9AA3BF4D; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 13:49:32 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: CD duplication recomendation In-reply-to: <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007601c7f0ae$47f82910$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfwnKP6tCulYpFhT/+A252eSaj6NQAEXLQg References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <24fKlC.A.tuG.u2D4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74222 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:49:35 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for all the info on Kunaki, Kris. Seems like an astounding find, and I'm sure the tips will come in handy. Warren .... (many lines deleted) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 18:30:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E4BB3BF5E; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:30:29 EDT Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cf4.1526cf06.3411a145_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74223 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:30:37 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cf4.1526cf06.3411a145_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/6/07 1:49:40 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes: > .... (many lines deleted) > warren.....what on earth are you talking about?.....:) www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cf4.1526cf06.3411a145_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_cf4.1526cf06.3411a145_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 18:40:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D37013BF73; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Jazz tone Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 12:40:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74224 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 18:40:47 +0000 (UTC) From: "Per Boysen" > On 6 sep 2007, at 07.41, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> I'm surprised no on has commented on the sound clip I send >> out with my best shot at a warm jazz guitar tone with just >> the Boogex VST amp sim. > Did you check the OT list? ahhh, very funny. :) Good one. > Well, that was just a joke ;-). I definitely remembered hearing that > posted audio clip one week ago because it sounds very good. But I > never looked at the picture of the guitar until today and I think > it's remarkable that you used a mini guitar for such a full sound! If > you could move the pickup a bit closer to the neck it would sound > even better for a fat and warm jazz tone. Very true. I wish I could move the pickup...I probably could, but I would have to pay for the modification and repair. Not fun. For the time being, replacing the stock pickup with the pickup I had in my Gibson ES-335 made a big difference. I notice most of the mini guitars have only bridge pickups. Such a shame. > The Swedish guitarist Ulf Wakenius has a fantastic jazz tone with a > cheap Les Paul copy by Aria ("pro 2" model). Check out the videos at > his MySpace page! http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm? > fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=153739765 Exellent. Just what I like. There are many fine examples of very warm and natural jazz tone out of solid body guitars - Ted Greene, Joe Pass (in his early days), Mike Stearn, John Abercrombie, Lorne Lofsky, etc, etc. I think if you have a decent pickup and amp, everything else is incidental. With these two things, I haven't found a solid body guitar yet that I can't make sound like the above. Heck, all I need is a stick with strings and pickup on it. I could care less about the fancy wood, etc. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:19:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 488B93BEA2; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vt+3SaYdCH9XuN1H8naZN91gXHjttjq/fiLIVLjd9eE=; b=HSQrsPdD1dZNgrhH/5A7ASv7BCbw9R9e/KudiGCbnr9DEyLkWJf/Fc8m3Zy7peo2q9w4E6l7F8S+jqhGBs+HSGgpwhW7X4UEe2dMZxewOqGNajT/NW4y47jLzqSUJ2ohR53p6UGZPE9YdRy6z+6NNFGqQUretfZPs+a+61E3zSM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Uqcx+SMsJfcaWEGXdFlQ8wKLLcDQfAfkVSRHSGs45UWdPvgJgUA0Eh+5iFypC0o0f34uCfWezsMvNrTjvf11G2s7cVJUh+RI2Gm9qVDsUhNIwlEe+M60kRUzJHZRLPnrgLRWJ1b6BZCQWz1ptkysO8kbhhUFtMksd4j83iPNIAc= In-Reply-To: <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jazz tone Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:18:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74225 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:19:02 +0000 (UTC) On 6 sep 2007, at 20.40, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Heck, all I need is a stick with strings and > pickup on it. I could care less about the fancy wood, etc. > Kris I take it that you are really meaning "fancy talk" about wood? Because different wood definitely give different tone to a guitar, as true for solid bodies as for jazz boxes. I have some friends that build guitars as for a living and I have spent many hours hanging at these workshops, trying out all kind of guitars and getting told about different wood used in them. Too bad I was never as interested in wood as in tone, so I don't remember a everything ;-)) Well, swamp ash sounds good to me in solid bodies, that's a fact I memorized after finding that all solid bodies I picked out was built of it. Mahogany sounds good too, I think. Myself I once built a solid body guitar out of a piece of oak. It was horrible. No life in that tone, way too much sustain and treble that made it feed back whenever you played through an amp. It was too heavy as well. Oh well... guess mistakes are for learning ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:34:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1F7E3BF73; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Jazz tone Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:34:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74226 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:34:47 +0000 (UTC) > > I take it that you are really meaning "fancy talk" about wood? Because > different wood definitely give different tone to a guitar, as true for > solid bodies as for jazz boxes. For hollow bodies, by experience definitely confirms this. But I haven't been able to tell much different in solid bodies. This is from direct experience. I've played many solid body guitars, and I've been able to get almost the exact tone out of all of them, just based on amp and pickup choice. I know there are a lot of guys who take this sort of thing to the finatical extreme and claim that wood is everything in a solid body guitar, but that has never rung true for me. I'm not convinved that a species of wood is going to intervene that much between what happens between the pickup and strings, and between the amp pre-amp and speaker. Maybe someone else can tell a difference, but to me the difference are subtle and all over-ridden by pickup and amp choice. I'm sure that sounds simple minded and un-sophisticated from someone like me to say, but that's just my experience. Maybe a balsa wood guitar might sound radically different. :) I'll even take fiberglass. Give me a Steinberger...I'll make it sound like I want. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:39:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B69FA3BF35; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:39:09 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Jazz tone In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002601c7f0bd$9825fca0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfwusmWIM0adJYLTvqlRhbMVv1tqgAAVKog References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74227 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Swamp ash is nice and light, too. But I generally have to agree with Kris that (as I interpret it), given a basically decent solid body guitar, twisting tone controls on the amp and pickup (or changing the pickup) can usually give me whatever I need. By contrast, BTW, I have a vintage Guild archtop with floating pickup whose tone is rather difficult to tame - it tends to be both too trebly on the high strings and too boomy on the low for my taste. Strangely enough, I get the best results putting it through an overdrive circuit with lots of treble rolled off. (it actually sounds best pretty much unamplified, which says to me that maybe my issue is with the pickup. Being a vintage guitar, I don't really want to mod it at all. OTOH, that floating pu looks like it could be easily replaced and then restored if I want to sell the guitar). > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:19 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Jazz tone > > On 6 sep 2007, at 20.40, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Heck, all I need is a stick with strings and pickup on it. I could > > care less about the fancy wood, etc. > > Kris > > > I take it that you are really meaning "fancy talk" about wood? > Because different wood definitely give different tone to a > guitar, as true for solid bodies as for jazz boxes. I have > some friends that build guitars as for a living and I have > spent many hours hanging at these workshops, trying out all > kind of guitars and getting told about different wood used in > them. Too bad I was never as interested in wood as in tone, > so I don't remember a everything ;-)) Well, swamp ash sounds > good to me in solid bodies, that's a fact I memorized after > finding that all solid bodies I picked out was built of it. > Mahogany sounds good too, I think. Myself I once built a > solid body guitar out of a piece of oak. It was horrible. No > life in that tone, way too much sustain and treble that made > it feed back whenever you played through an amp. It was too > heavy as well. Oh well... guess mistakes are for learning ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:41:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AD6EA3BF61; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=d1Jwq5D4e20FOQKmlMpDYnr+utzFwMku0m4d2PfDG4M=; b=eutjEsfE3jDVk6ctIi3/g1nLCocT6oXvrS1KRlsJmtucW6b6d4YlGsHNOtmIeiiqpbfYiqrrEaZhVllR0U3CiZNRJ2k9rZXeONvTlr80xVZI4qKNQ4Cf3AY49Q+oaRBPB3pGWkx+dX40c2PkCWQA5Dd9FN2SlE1cm3KIh0gCP+M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MjChIIE3/5DgvWpifQ2NNmxoa23eLBTkKF5UOc8Z9Wkkpr2C+qt/9lR8hWMRgw/oPeyvBiB2hilKosmWLoGTOIH4FBFU6ouC4yrSA44wxcfg5e9kRyfh2UphKf0CX0auEg/c7FhAClTHnP94yPgYlL+mznuaVB7F/w4CP3oK47E= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:41:37 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jazz tone In-Reply-To: <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30285_27582692.1189107697393" References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <7AUudD.A.f8B.BgF4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74228 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:41:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_30285_27582692.1189107697393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There's a story about the workmen at the Taylor (I believe) factory who took a pallet and made a guitar out of it. Apparently it sounded just fine. :) I think the type of wood in a solid body is going to contribute to the sustain more than to the tone, but I don't really know. Tony On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > > > I take it that you are really meaning "fancy talk" about wood? Because > > different wood definitely give different tone to a guitar, as true for > > solid bodies as for jazz boxes. > > For hollow bodies, by experience definitely confirms this. But I haven't > been able to tell much different in solid bodies. This is from > direct experience. I've played many solid body guitars, and I've been > able to get almost the exact tone out of all of them, just based on amp > and pickup choice. I know there are a lot of guys who take this sort > of thing to the finatical extreme and claim that wood is everything in a > solid > body guitar, but that has never rung true for me. I'm not convinved > that a species of wood is going to intervene that much between what > happens between the pickup and strings, and between the amp pre-amp > and speaker. Maybe someone else can tell a difference, but to me the > difference are subtle and all over-ridden by pickup and amp choice. > I'm sure that sounds simple minded and un-sophisticated from someone > like me to say, but that's just my experience. Maybe a balsa wood guitar > might sound radically different. :) I'll even take fiberglass. Give me a > Steinberger...I'll make it sound like I want. > > Kris > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_30285_27582692.1189107697393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline There's a story about the workmen at the Taylor (I believe) factory who took a pallet and made a guitar out of it.  Apparently it sounded just fine.  :)

I think the type of wood in a solid body is going to contribute to the sustain more than to the tone, but I don't really know. 

Tony

On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
>
> I take it that you are really meaning "fancy talk" about wood?  Because
> different wood definitely give different tone to a guitar, as  true for
> solid bodies as for jazz boxes.

For hollow bodies, by experience definitely confirms this. But I haven't
been able to tell much different in solid bodies. This is from
direct experience. I've played many solid body guitars, and I've been
able to get almost the exact tone out of all of them, just based on amp
and pickup choice. I know there are a lot of guys who take this sort
of thing to the finatical extreme and claim that wood is everything in a
solid
body guitar, but that has never rung true for me. I'm not convinved
that a species of wood is going to intervene that much between what
happens between the pickup and strings, and between the amp pre-amp
and speaker. Maybe someone else can tell a difference, but to me the
difference are subtle and all over-ridden by pickup and amp choice.
I'm sure that sounds simple minded and un-sophisticated from someone
like me to say, but that's just my experience. Maybe a balsa wood guitar
might sound radically different. :)  I'll even take fiberglass. Give me a
Steinberger...I'll make it sound like I want.

Kris






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Tony ------=_Part_30285_27582692.1189107697393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:42:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 709203BF84; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 15:42:24 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Jazz tone In-reply-to: <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <002701c7f0be$0c67cc10$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcfwvPzZI0tphuOKT06nOquDjQuxHQAALDaw References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74229 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:42:36 +0000 (UTC) There are probably sustain differences due to wood, especially the fingerboard wood, in solid bodies (tho you don't usually use really long sustains in jazz gtr). I think the fingerboard may make a bit of a difference. I have an unusual rosewood fingerboard on my solid body, and (maybe it's my imagination) I think that helps the gtr be a little bit warmer than one with a maple fingerboard. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:51:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 011863BF7F; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <037a01c7f0bf$4e2b9f90$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Jazz Tone & Selling my Paul Reed Smith Archtop I Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 13:51:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0377_01C7F08D.0237E120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5Hhn7.A.WhC.9oF4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74230 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:51:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0377_01C7F08D.0237E120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, this is going to seem like a shock, and surprising as it seems, = I'm seriously considering selling my Paul Reed Smith McCarty Archtop I = hollow body guitar. Many of you have seen me play this guitar at the = last two Y2K events, and I've used it on many of my loop-based music. Why? I'm just not using the guitar that much anymore, and I've grown = more accustomed to a solid body these days. Plus my cast of miniature = stringed instruments is very appealing to me, and I also have a solid = body custom 22 "10 top" PRS that is just wonderful. =20 This particular PRS hollow body guitar model is hard to find, as it was = replaced by the PRS "Hollowbody I and Hollowbody II" series (preceded by = Archop I and Archop II). If anyone is interested let me know.=20 Detailed pictures here: http://www.box.net/shared/ss6d7trnya The guitar has EMG pickups in it (active), and piezos under the bridge = (both volume/tone controllable and blendable), wood tuners, and was = built 7-28-2000. It is in great condition, with minor usage wear that = you might find from any guitar its age (I have taken good care of it). = It comes with the original hard-shell case. I haven't decided yet what I am going to ask for it, but I know that = there are used PRS Hollowbody series guitars on eBay bidding at $1600 to = $2600.=20 Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0377_01C7F08D.0237E120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, this is going to seem like a = shock, and=20 surprising as it seems, I'm seriously considering selling my Paul Reed = Smith=20 McCarty Archtop I hollow body guitar.  Many of you have seen me = play this=20 guitar at the last two Y2K events, and I've used it on many of my = loop-based=20 music.
 
Why? I'm just not using the = guitar that=20 much anymore, and I've grown more accustomed to a solid body=20 these days. Plus my cast of miniature stringed instruments is very=20 appealing to me, and I also have a solid body custom 22 "10 top" = PRS that=20 is just wonderful. 
 
This particular PRS hollow body guitar = model is=20 hard to find, as it was replaced by the PRS "Hollowbody I and Hollowbody = II"=20 series (preceded by Archop I and Archop II). If anyone is interested let = me=20 know.
 
Detailed pictures here: http://www.box.net/shared/s= s6d7trnya
 
The guitar has EMG pickups in it = (active), and=20 piezos under the bridge (both volume/tone controllable and=20 blendable), wood tuners, and was built 7-28-2000. It is in great = condition,=20 with minor usage wear that you might find from any guitar its age (I = have taken=20 good care of it).  It comes with the original hard-shell = case.
 
I haven't decided yet what I am going = to ask for=20 it, but I know that there are used PRS Hollowbody series guitars on eBay = bidding=20 at $1600 to $2600.
 
Kris
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhartung
Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com = /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm
CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_0377_01C7F08D.0237E120-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 19:55:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC71A3BF8C; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=FD3Fyh5DyBeiYr5YJSF2jlhyJrTAkYHI+2/7p96L/k0=; b=CKry4RnEjbje/UgKkyyi4QyUgSdlVBhoQzxLp5FVh1p4mOdcPUKLWygsk/Vcj0UlBy35WMvz5DGzlGKkHxYxpfBNsk3dH8fd5iloSosHx7fszU14aKpIM3GjYA67X1JveSizM1iegzvcAnPKoB14VsWX4rD9r0rh9kl5a7k09nw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=nII1ARUGBAVFtVtevlSwLAxwBm0fUYKJSSFvej/xFDUK11kkU46/GuxeV0Q0UPb1aHKY+Z16jMfLzTfKsLGFd2F34Iv8+RUuZsZYjgFJgehvYNY91iSLc4t/H0ulSOcM0SxdlEtvNyviT8CuSxBKgwAmCYVS6AD4lsOuoJC1Yko= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <002701c7f0be$0c67cc10$0202a8c0@macbookxp> References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <002701c7f0be$0c67cc10$0202a8c0@macbookxp> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Jazz tone Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:55:05 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-erF1D.A.b0C.gsF4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74231 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 19:55:12 +0000 (UTC) On 6 sep 2007, at 21.42, Warren Sirota wrote: > I have an unusual rosewood fingerboard on my solid body, and > (maybe it's my imagination) I think that helps the gtr be a little bit > warmer than one with a maple fingerboard. No need for excuses - it's a well documented fact that rosewood fingerboard gives a "warmer" sound compared to a maple neck guitar. But I kind of like the maple necks although I subscribe to similar sound esthetics; if you warm up the sound by rolling off treble I dig the distinct attack you get with the jazz tone from a maple board. For a while I kept swapping necks between my guitars to find out about that (and other things). This experience goes mostly with Fender guitars. I never removed parts from Gibson ES guitars or Ibanez George Benson that I have owed during different periods. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 20:00:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 43C553BF93; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:00:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=EPn4PMAR0X8olQcVbDAOKr50+3CDBsKB/hKmlU8cMUI=; b=Iay0mY/uDCGEiyp4otJZoRT6tKby65Ggw1m++cqu5o3BeBWKl1aMNWnypQp4QJ8J8v5wQ0P9eX1CN/GKWvx1quvn9PIE0qwnPsyRqbHmveAW8fgjAPKBWDDlcQ2++aqQPVWn9EJTogDpX6scuCY3F6Uds9ErcaRGGUmXHG0ifmI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=rMZdpyDg3PoidgRHbgGi4vGsT1TAczHop6xu9lFhJ1Z1b+M3zRfVrB8/RVKkYFTDPUSBQw4Co5wdNtmcy+MlILLMZdVcOl2MicqTINY5VgkSDHAXLSveR06rdD2Vo5LkJvCsNhk22Vck9IS0lqe6l4yWFl13Ilfs6CL6JVhd/iI= In-Reply-To: <037a01c7f0bf$4e2b9f90$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <037a01c7f0bf$4e2b9f90$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Jazz Tone & Selling my Paul Reed Smith Archtop I Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:00:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74232 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:00:43 +0000 (UTC) On 6 sep 2007, at 21.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: > selling my Paul Reed Smith McCarty Archtop I hollow body guitar. Ouch! How I admired that guitar at the loopfest last year! I would definitely keep it if I were you. Makes your shirts look better ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 20:40:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F19A13BF7C; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:37:33 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #544 for August 23, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46E0650D.6000601@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74233 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:40:53 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget to tune in to tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070830.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #544 August 30, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Klaus Schulze. The Featured CD at Midnight was disk two from "...Live..." on Revisited Records. Klaus Schulze: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#aug PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Ananta Void Two Nasti (Earth Mantra) Galactic Anthems Carousel of Dreams Subterranean Transit (none) Ricochet Gathering Mars Okefenokee 2002 (Ricochet Dream) Klaus Schulze Heart ...Live... disk 2 (Revisited) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Klaus Schulze Dymagic ...Live... disk 2 (Revisited) Klaus Schulze Le Mans au premier ...Live... disk 2 (Revisited) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll begin a month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Impulse 2005" on Strange Charm Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 20:49:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE49B3BF4E; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <002c01c7f0c7$7c4715a0$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:49:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74234 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) M.K.: Snip SNiP SnIP snip ?.....:) R_O.T._FL Cl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 21:03:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C59623BF54; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a001c7f0c9$7009ed60$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <002c01c7f0c7$7c4715a0$4001a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:03:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74235 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Remember last year I had introduced the notion of caveman language to reduce bandwith on LD. Perhaps we should go back to that. :) It's amazing how much bandwidh we expend on debating how to use, or ought to use less bandwidth. Please, no more clauses, articles, non-abbreviated phrases, or thorough explanations. Caveman language only (I'm sure the Geico mascots are wanting to kill me by now). Kris > M.K.: > Snip SNiP SnIP > snip ?.....:) > > R_O.T._FL > > Cl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 21:05:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 177933BF7D; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:05:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: CD duplication recomendation X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:05:05 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D742@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <03a001c7f0c9$7009ed60$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: CD duplication recomendation Thread-Index: AcfwyXE45YHR9Xi2SWi7mm+hDL7hlgAACXrQ From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74236 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:05:07 +0000 (UTC) ooga -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:04 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Remember last year I had introduced the notion of caveman language to reduce=20 bandwith on LD. Perhaps we should go back to that. :) It's amazing how much=20 bandwidh we expend on debating how to use, or ought to use less bandwidth. Please, no more clauses, articles, non-abbreviated phrases, or thorough=20 explanations. Caveman language only (I'm sure the Geico mascots are wanting=20 to kill me by now). Kris > M.K.: > Snip SNiP SnIP > snip ?.....:) > > R_O.T._FL > > Cl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 21:36:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAE593BEF8; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:36:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <20070906125640.271P5.396359.root@fepweb15> References: <20070906125640.271P5.396359.root@fepweb15> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <779B4243-CADB-4F47-8FA8-431EA32C1637@baymoon.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Mark Hamburg Subject: Re: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 14:36:10 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74237 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:36:19 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:56 AM, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > She didn't even explain what she was doing . . . and in fact she =20 > fumbled just a little at first. > > So . . . here is a mainstream performer, looping, without =20 > disclaimer or verbal footnote calling attention to it, and making a =20= > very public splash with it. She did make a crack about technology when things didn't go quite as =20 planned. That's how one knew it really was live looping. ;-) She also made a remark about looking forward to the iLooper. Mark From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 21:39:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F32B33BF4E; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:39:44 +0000 Message-Id: <090620072139.9366.46E073A000059D2A000024962216557996020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9366_1189114784_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74238 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:39:46 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9366_1189114784_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit iLooper, Im in line already. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Mark Hamburg > On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:56 AM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote: > > > She didn't even explain what she was doing . . . and in fact she > > fumbled just a little at first. > > > > So . . . here is a mainstream performer, looping, without > > disclaimer or verbal footnote calling attention to it, and making a > > very public splash with it. > > She did make a crack about technology when things didn't go quite as > planned. That's how one knew it really was live looping. ;-) > > She also made a remark about looking forward to the iLooper. > > Mark > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9366_1189114784_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
iLooper, Im in line already.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Mark Hamburg <mark_hamburg@baymoon.com>

> On Sep 6, 2007, at 9:56 AM, tEd ® kiLLiAn wrote:
>
> > She didn't even explain what she was doing . . . and in fact she
> > fumbled just a little at first.
> >
> > So . . . here is a mainstream performer, looping, without
> > disclaimer or verbal footnote calling attention to it, and making a
> > very public splash with it.
>
> She did make a crack about technology when things didn't go quite as
> planned. That's how one knew it really was live looping. ;-)
>
> She also made a remark about looking forward to the iLooper.
>
> Mark
>
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 22:33:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A531B3BF4A; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709062233.l86MX6C0015213@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Jazz tone. Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:33:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7F09B.3B78AD30" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acfw1ee2tbrSA2H6SBWGiRRmQ2EqBA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74239 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:33:07 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7F09B.3B78AD30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree that there have been some great practitioners of "Jazz" tone on solid body guitars. I'd add John McLaughlin (duo sonic with Miles, and various les pauls and SG's). Danny Gatton could lay down incredible jazz lines (and everything else) on a tele. The great Canadian guitarist Ed Bickert, who played with Paul Desmond and Rosemary Clooney, among others, was a tele guy. I 'd also like to note that many landmark 50's Jazz guitar recordings were done on P-90 pickups as it wasn't until 56 when the first Gibson humbuckers appeared. I think the association with Jazz and hollow body artchtop guitars goes back much earlier to the ragtime and big band era, and isn't necessarily relevant to today, though many traditionalists wouldn't be caught dead with out a Jazz box. Recently I put together a parts Telecaster with a very light weight mahogany body and a maple conversion scale neck (i.e a standard gibson scale length for a fender body). I started out with a set of mini humbuckers, and currently am trying a set of Duncan stack soapbars. The Soapbars are a little less smooth and are spankier sounding, but still suitable for a darker jazz tone, if I roll off the treble. The minis are a bit smoother and fatter though still more focused than standard humbuckers. I'm not sure which pickups I'll keep in the guitar as I like em both. I built this guitar to be my low budget jazz rock box and heavy strung slide guitar, to replace a PRS Hollow body I had to sell a couple of years ago. What I like about this Teleson, or gibcaster is it is not only versatile sounding, Its a bolt on neck so I don't have too treat it too delicately, or worry about is welfare every time I play out at a rowdy club. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7F09B.3B78AD30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 I agree that there have been some great = practitioners of “Jazz” tone on solid body guitars. I’d add John McLaughlin (duo sonic = with Miles, and various les pauls and SG’s). Danny Gatton could lay = down incredible jazz lines (and everything else) on a tele.  The great = Canadian guitarist Ed Bickert, who played with Paul Desmond and Rosemary Clooney, = among others, was a tele guy. I ‘d also like to note that many landmark = 50’s Jazz guitar recordings were done on P-90 pickups as it wasn’t = until 56 when the first Gibson humbuckers appeared. I think the association with = Jazz and hollow body artchtop guitars goes back much earlier to the ragtime = and big band era, and isn’t necessarily relevant to today, though many traditionalists wouldn’t be caught dead with out a Jazz box.  = Recently I put together a parts Telecaster with a very light weight mahogany body = and a maple conversion scale neck (i.e a standard gibson scale length for a fender = body). I started out with a set of mini humbuckers, and currently am trying a set = of Duncan stack = soapbars. The Soapbars are a little less smooth and are spankier sounding, but = still suitable for a darker jazz tone, if I roll off the treble. The minis are a bit = smoother and fatter though still more focused than standard humbuckers. I’m = not sure which pickups I’ll keep in the guitar as I like em both. =  I built this guitar to be my low budget jazz rock box and heavy strung slide = guitar, to replace a PRS Hollow body I had to sell a couple of years ago. What I = like about this Teleson, or gibcaster is it is not only versatile sounding, =  Its a bolt on neck  so I don’t have too treat it too delicately, or = worry about is welfare every time I play out at a rowdy = club.

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7F09B.3B78AD30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 22:41:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CD4B3BF4A; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <040101c7f0d7$07673e30$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200709062233.l86MX6C0015213@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Jazz tone. Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 16:41:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03FE_01C7F0A4.BB74DF50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74240 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:41:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03FE_01C7F0A4.BB74DF50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 Recently I put together a parts Telecaster with a very light weight = mahogany body and a maple conversion scale neck (i.e a standard gibson = scale length for a fender body). Interesting. I've always been a fan of the tele sound for jazz. You = sort of combined the best of two worlds there...fast and low action = gibson neck with Tele body. I may have to follow suite with you there. = How about something like a Bartolini or Ken Woods pickup in that thing? Kris ------=_NextPart_000_03FE_01C7F0A4.BB74DF50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Recently I put together = a parts=20 Telecaster with a very light weight mahogany body and a maple = conversion scale=20 neck (i.e a standard gibson scale length for a fender = body).

 

Interesting. I've always = been a=20 fan of the tele sound for jazz. You sort of combined the best of two = worlds=20 there...fast and low action gibson neck with Tele body. I may have to = follow=20 suite with you there. How about something like a Bartolini or Ken = Woods pickup=20 in that thing?

 

Kris

 

------=_NextPart_000_03FE_01C7F0A4.BB74DF50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 22:53:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 88FFC3BF6D; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Yv5rZOe5APZAs4o5K6gkOyEGhgjzM9THz2ipCQrZEQWTqZHBXemU6pNGHAXSHXRGo8LidUqUnKG+a5iGD6huRtGxohwi9Rc7l9/Mlz+VKL0Gr70yrbAQNKnzgZjkZmYgc3e1jYI9X6HK9HRuwkEFnKU6ncs5dQwpQurI6OkZ2mQ=; X-YMail-OSG: hZrBhTkVM1kVv9QH.ZVoiYGOHQ05AqUQ.BNfmu8Ja6gWfivpA9Eqi4VPYO39SW357g-- Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 15:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: jazz tone To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <577329.60941.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <96uKH.A.faB.OTI4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74241 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:53:02 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I have a homemade solid body madeout of hard maple, much sustain, very heavy. I also have an ibanez iceman one piece solid Korina. Light as a feather, but MORE sustain than my HARD maple body DIY. WAY more. The maple is good for trbly sounds, the Korina does trble good but warm better. Go figure. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 23:36:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D068B3BF38; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004101c7f0de$ba885010$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 00:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74242 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:36:24 +0000 (UTC) 'templates'? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Thursday, 6 September, 2007 16:43 PM Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation > ----- Original Message ----- >> it's very hard to beat the $1.60 a unit with Kunaki. Thanks for this >> Kris... > > Here are some more tips regarding Kunaki, that I've learned along the way, > after creating five CDs with them thus far: > > 1. Some things are difficult to find on the site, but you can find the CD > specs here: http://kunaki.com/scripts/help.htm Be sure to create your > templates in 300 dpi, and use their exact dimensions, because if you > don't, their program re-sizes your files to fit their specs (which you > don't want). > > 2. They don't provide templates, but just create your own with the above > specs, and then you have to use trial and error to get the binding text > alignment and other text alignment correct. DON'T try to use standard CD > specs...they won't work. Just use trial and error with their design > software and a mock project. Also note that their specs DO NOT include a > full bleed, and do not include full bleed space in your templates...their > program will only resize it to their actual print/cut dimensions. This is > important. You could add 2 feet of full bleed space, and when you upload > to their program, it will just resize to fit in their "virtual jewel > case". So, what you see is what you get. > > 3. I highly recommend ordering just one CD first so that you can inspect > it (your very first CD is free, but after that you pay the $1.60 per CD). > If you find that the graphics are not right, you cannot edit the project. > You have to delete it on your account page of kunaki.com, and then > re-upload a new project. You cannot re-upload a revised version of the > project, just create a brand new project. > > 4. Their software is fairly intuitive (but PC only). You launch the > executable, define your project info (title, etc), and then start browsing > to your graphic tif files on your hard drive. The program places your > graphics in a virtual CD jewel case, and this is your only method if > seeing whether your alignment is correct. If it isn't, you just go back > and edit your graphics, and then browse for them again while you are in > the software program....repeat until everything looks visually right. > Once you have your CD graphics right, the program then asks you to put > your CD-R in your drive. It makes a digital copy of the CD-R and adds it > to the design info. Once you are done, the software saves your project to > a giant file on your hard drive. You can either open it later or click a > button while you are still in the program to upload the project to the > kunaki server. > > 5. After the kunaki design program creates your project file (graphics + > sound), it gives you an option of burning a CD-R from that file. I highly > recommend doing this before you upload your project to their server, and > listen to it through and through....that way you know there were no errors > in the ripping of the original CD-R to your project file. It hasn't > happened to me, but I know of someone who didn't do this, and ordered 50 > CDs that had audio glitches. It was a problem with their system, not the > kunaki program. It's just safe to check before you upload to their server. > > 6. Kunaki's policy is that you or a customer order at least one CD from > your project every 90 days. I you don't, they will retire your project, > and you'll have to re-upload a new version from the project file on your > hard drive. > > Kris > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 23:49:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CC5F3BF3E; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <041a01c7f0e0$865d7200$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004101c7f0de$ba885010$0201a8c0@eluk1> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:49:10 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74243 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:49:13 +0000 (UTC) > 'templates'? You have to make your own, but I can get some Illustrator versions for you made by someone else. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 6 23:54:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E227D3BF54; Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.99] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070906224115.8C59F3BF56@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cave talk Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:54:09 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2007 23:54:11.0328 (UTC) FILETIME=[38B8A000:01C7F0E1] Resent-Message-ID: <5Lsav.A.c8D.mMJ4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74244 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:54:14 +0000 (UTC) Why asume stone age people had no grammar or syntax? and if they didn't it's possible that their sentences were therefor more complicated rather than more simple. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE small business Web site and more from Microsoft® Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0930003811mrt/direct/01/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 01:12:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABC833BEFC; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:12:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vxrwZt24h7VntXnpAlESOBiKUKcOmUrO58U5IbAci7s=; b=F+lG4AUKABdl+LRIWJ54KDkUxbv53D942smCzvLMK8IhkhZ8PSH+xWW2eiSJJ0l3PPSaFpeY4UhM9+nHPjDkeIxhrp0MYT0ecCpeQ4teuH70vUfwixHpfYlzBGbRcaFnTRhVqQmg5biErz+jRblVqF2QNPNNFFkCXchhHpscLr4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VR05Jgm2Do1TTPgmNbpsk7loXYEEg3JlvbPw+cDFIi0IPtbYwEf3vSXrKalC1zYmnMckLovpuFdwJqAJ2cENwTkyQHGFzUJ3J8gzYlQIg2mt1fWeICiuFHOwjwK8X1QcI60FoWCuVI7Ah598UJShbcV6aSGKRkARm/dPfJz1gS0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:12:08 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) In-Reply-To: <041a01c7f0e0$865d7200$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_68962_29933812.1189127528136" References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9e0440a60709060810u43392b5br697ac438f5757c5f@mail.gmail.com> <02dc01c7f09c$a27b1c10$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <004101c7f0de$ba885010$0201a8c0@eluk1> <041a01c7f0e0$865d7200$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74245 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:12:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_68962_29933812.1189127528136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I"ve done them all in Photoshop and could supply PSD files that you could strip out my content just keeping the dimensions and replace with your content... Jim Goodin On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > 'templates'? > ------=_Part_68962_29933812.1189127528136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I"ve done them all in Photoshop and could supply PSD files that you could strip out my content just keeping the dimensions and replace with your content...
 
Jim Goodin
 
On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
> 'templates'?
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 01:51:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE9403BF45; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2007 21:51:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: Jazz tone In-Reply-To: References: <124436.2793.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <026f01c7f048$9b8e6320$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <69012DBB-03EB-48ED-A863-EA5E7DE35FAC@gmail.com> <030d01c7f0b5$6fddeb70$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <034401c7f0bc$fb507360$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070907015136.A905E2479C@ns3.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74246 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:51:38 +0000 (UTC) I've played that guitar, it does sound fine! Bob Taylor made it after being challenged by another guitar builder concerning his designs. Anyway he resawed the wood, (pallet grade oak) you can even still see the silver round spots that were the nails. As a bit of a joke he inlaid a forklift on the fretboard. They have it on display at their show room in San Diego. I was visiting an old friend (Dave Hosler who was part of the design team on the T5 and their new electric http://www.tommyshaw.com/photos/newguitar_eng.htm ) and I got to spend some time playing the guitar and some of the others in their show room. If you're ever down that way give them a call, it's quite interesting to go for a tour of the factory. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca At 03:41 PM 9/6/2007, you wrote: >There's a story about the workmen at the Taylor (I believe) factory >who took a pallet and made a guitar out of it. Apparently it >sounded just fine. :) > >I think the type of wood in a solid body is going to contribute to >the sustain more than to the tone, but I don't really know. > >Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 01:58:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD8623BF4D; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:58:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <976826.59190.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <02b401c7f097$07934b50$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-369685964 Message-Id: From: Sean Mormelo Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 17:58:03 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74247 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 01:58:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-369685964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Kunaki.com > > I am totally impressed with their services. I have many friends > who are moving to them as well. It takes a while to get your > templates down, but once you do that, you are set. email me off > line and I can help you. They have specs for their artwork. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:22 AM > Subject: CD duplication recomendation > > >> Hi folks, >> ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold at >> CD baby and need to press more,complete with booklet, >> artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes here >> in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in the >> U.S. since thats where they are being sold the >> most,could you recomend me a good professional company >> with reasonable prices in the sates? >> thanx! >> cheers >> Luis >> >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel >> today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 >> > > I just got a project back from Kunaki and it looks totally pro...I highly recommend them..From the time I uploaded to the time It was delivered was 3 days....I had it shipped 2 day to Alaska...It's the way to go now for shorter runs. Sean Mormelo sean@seanmormelo.com www.seanmormelo.com www.myspace.com/seanmormelo --Apple-Mail-10-369685964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sep 6, 2007, at = 7:03 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote:

Kunaki.com

I am totally impressed with = their services.=A0 I have = many friends who are moving to them as well. It takes a while to get = your templates down, but once you do that, you are set.=A0 email me off line and I can = help you. They have specs for their artwork.


----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" = <labaloops@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September = 06, 2007 2:22 AM
Subject: CD duplication = recomendation


Hi folks,
ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold = at
CD baby and need to press more,complete with = booklet,
artwork, CD and jewel case,i was = getting quotes here
in Germany but it makes = more sense to do it in the
U.S. since = thats where they are being sold the
most,could = you recomend me a good professional company
with = reasonable prices in the sates?
cheers
Luis



Shape Yahoo! in your own = image.=A0 Join our Network = Research Panel today! htt= p://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=3D7





I just got a project back from = Kunaki and it looks totally pro...I highly recommend them..=46rom the = time I uploaded to the time It was delivered was 3 days....I had it = shipped 2 day to Alaska...It's the way to go now for shorter = runs.

Sean = Mormelo
ww= w.seanmormelo.com
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= --Apple-Mail-10-369685964-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 03:07:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5B783BF1F; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 03:07:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=/B7+qj0fAbWiwdBYmrUz/bCDsYdGxuNn2QONgk5JKFc=; b=ADFi62KKFOY/jP2KTLaZ4vXgk19A/vT1kPVcOwadoe9heuJNwhZRZooUR7aiB4yAClyAaGVmPcTyiHkS4fjF4YfI0cGgTxNSX8RsoRuxaUPmymMwe7CLzGMJW9ZRei2y/P68vLC4QPVNcmGVwzt9EilH7kK70D+dvj+tOJUT8oo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TWZnA23hFuLArrN4cxsPx5TlqcvBuSt/YiGtRYMerXjT4caXRaW7eNkcTDDSh4Jlxe0yTJ77Uian9HLqNYZ540h8g0exFx6AFde0U34IZbcmmlz8paWDlRNUcLkhJaIrlLZAkUc7QDp46OFyvQf4lZiHrjsqus7JrSeNQ5o3f4k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:07:28 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cave talk In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60741_30849554.1189134448079" References: <20070906224115.8C59F3BF56@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74248 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 03:07:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_60741_30849554.1189134448079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline argh? On 9/6/07, samba - wrote: > > Why asume stone age people had no grammar or syntax? and if they didn't > it's possible that their sentences were therefor more complicated rather > than more simple. > > ------=_Part_60741_30849554.1189134448079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline argh?

On 9/6/07, samba - <sambacomet@hotmail.com> wrote:
Why asume stone age people had no grammar or syntax?  and if they didn't
it's possible that their sentences were therefor more complicated rather
than more simple.


------=_Part_60741_30849554.1189134448079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 05:58:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B32A3BF35; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:58:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <042701c7f114$2c33ca20$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Cave talk Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 23:58:53 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74249 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 05:58:56 +0000 (UTC) > Why asume stone age people had no grammar or syntax? and if they didn't > it's possible that their sentences were therefor more complicated rather > than more simple. Ehhhh, it was joke, man. I'm not making any claims about the actual nature of caveman language...if I were, I wouldn't use the term "caveman," which to me is itself is rooted in some anthropological inaccuracies. :) On a similar note, I think I'll dress my 2 1/2 year old twins up a Australopithecines this Halloween. What do you think, Afarensis or Robustus? I'm torn. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 06:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 916E13BF3E; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=ZFA4D6YJFOiErLIXQ1hHp6tEgkTWGRPy8oC4rQZkU6Y8TaVmlD2F5262gc+cWIp1FnHUpQRF3/EMx9t86WsRUeRMpW4Pw8d8MIxD4ddFlcR+YKgOXRWVs4RxFGc5KhJJvUN4lnm7BD5dPoWrNH+wNbDVWdTXZW5aN0/Aqgv1/rw= ; X-YMail-OSG: Hidvh18VM1kNWD3asjU4AEAciwjBvzdd8WmeUz_mOWFPA7J_JQ69mBqFQsd8BqIroLvdsX2Vtg-- Message-ID: <00a901c7f11b$fbf95160$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: References: <002501c7f043$a101e700$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A720508BCD4@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:24:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7F128.818C9B50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <0RYtpD.A._uE.-WP4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74250 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:54:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7F128.818C9B50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can also use the 8< (scissors) smiley to show that you cut parts. Ben ----- Original Message -----=20 >>Out of curiousity, what is "unnecessary"? If I [snip] delete = messages after I read or reply to them, then I lose the original context = of follow-on emails .... . <<=20 that took me ten seconds. :-) duncan. ------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7F128.818C9B50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can also use the 8< (scissors) = smiley to=20 show that you cut parts.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
>>Out of curiousity, what is=20 "unnecessary"? If I  [snip] delete messages after = I read or=20 reply to them, then I lose the original context of follow-on = emails .... . << 
 
that took me ten seconds.=20 :-)
 
duncan.
------=_NextPart_000_00A2_01C7F128.818C9B50-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 06:56:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9A5C53BF40; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=agItpGT6uUz0WC1f24n0XZs34COTtSuFQsrpDb/b/wk=; b=Vbn7dyH3yWncSz06WIGsY4883CWKxfP0VL6akd+WMCuOg3TYG+GvlVfB+epWGyg1pTO4VCN8MLUDXXDWtAS3fnK/JRhDkJGVia9wDyxmaRNnbFiqD1rZPdU226aWzDk+CUz25p9TTRM34mGZKBJ1VKZQfQBubSV4uuzulijlTx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Ie70vNvJtivscD8FC/pkPkuclX5/oMLxD4G/OJKWR8sWz4EVisH3sODbSQzgqc2iYsG03QlJQhxDaVmWmgVco4XBvYp7EC7wc29ATa5EdmUDgFUHgD3ezt9WaZGBdk/3fW9Sk75EE3PEWVN9rA3qn/dXeMK76YH/BqfDuu2PfF8= In-Reply-To: <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:56:13 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-WxsEB.A.l3E.TYP4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74251 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:56:19 +0000 (UTC) Apogee has a reputation of providing the best AD converters, but they have been quite expensive. Until now, when they release this "Duet" model. But still I would not buy one without testing, since the instrument input impedance is not specified in a more accurate term then "high". When playing through software it is crucial to adjust the input level accurately, and with electric guitar there seems to be no manufacturer norm. http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:12:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 83CC13BEEE; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:12:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=auQEqRA8tumSWAbzlFVmOKXmxr2FqOR/tywirwXD2GS3jX6fnF5rQ+lf14D4sev9KQrktXVxKd9QopuQV5loK4hu7PWFu6FxsadcnwEYkvoL0ZpgznpyTjtWPt7wcznVoclyjwSRhGmQmUMyt9o/3WOrtErRIdcPyngHR/8GnMo=; X-YMail-OSG: gcsMhD0VM1kV2q9AG24pVjoo3G1sAo_fYJkzDxOi0bJrgf6m_G3zji56y6pfF15d9xX3yz8yz0IA7jwiZ4ds0eCeIa1xKsADXP01kU7DgAr5Pygsx_ooahDgHARHQQ-- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:12:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Diamanda Galás also loops To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <671715.57752.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74252 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:12:34 +0000 (UTC) shes also done an album with John Paul Jones which is wonderful http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjOE0Yris6A&mode=related&search= cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:23:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 26F2A3BF3A; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=flZLGzM2ZhqEbCTrtUxT4vhzapWSSbTcwSioKppAaOfBxTr7KRQDot8iNJF/wYrWgsSu2YR+6fO9DzEzWQqGqrCGxhQ+6GLJjRrXOrc4whedXME1PgYJuph48CTUZ+1PkWFvlT+cgycTddF9kTMLzZKRiz8teQfE3yBG+dpXk2c=; X-YMail-OSG: 2ALgbeIVM1m9HCuPbAcsc1C2rIIhbLYHV47WDi60O7VrZA4SHvNYUyyG3k.MaXzRk4cMPS5l4uCRzzGST1RFhjdtCa247EU2LcnHcyXKS__Tf2hyb4HGAOy6b1C6hQ-- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:23:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74253 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Jim that would be great,exactly what ive been looking for could you send them PSD to me? thanx! Luis --- Jim Goodin wrote: > I"ve done them all in Photoshop and could supply PSD > files that you could > strip out my content just keeping the dimensions and > replace with your > content... > > Jim Goodin > > On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung > wrote: > > > > > 'templates'? > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:25:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83AE3BF42; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KTqG4y9yu1gy3JDpUFS0rmIlXEozHbvbWIcexgW7HgKOZ0OVqtm8PO3QeK1n7e4jhwnbVOIp8zAb/jcsnX6foGkgU6lvxe6hM8dbHKGQ6bX1ryJ2712kJozyeeP1NvjJCMxR91rce0t4V5V4Ct3TWASwa3otHNGZ86mEG4m+H0U=; X-YMail-OSG: VOiC9ZAVM1kMWMVf1L3G1845QPQQF734ZxALkllwcRGjvpv5k0AvF80FlXWOsyo.RpeO3zF1AVTUrHruTqmYwLYVpgVfYnAwPjquZ.nTfw6JpsPVUKP1D7PLxX_HjQ-- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 02:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <480665.53254.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74254 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:25:25 +0000 (UTC) When i try to download their software my antivirus program jumps up,is something wrong? Luis --- Sean Mormelo wrote: > > On Sep 6, 2007, at 7:03 AM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > Kunaki.com > > > > I am totally impressed with their services. I > have many friends > > who are moving to them as well. It takes a while > to get your > > templates down, but once you do that, you are set. > email me off > > line and I can help you. They have specs for their > artwork. > > > > Kris > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" > > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 2:22 AM > > Subject: CD duplication recomendation > > > > > >> Hi folks, > >> ive run out of one of my CDs which are being sold > at > >> CD baby and need to press more,complete with > booklet, > >> artwork, CD and jewel case,i was getting quotes > here > >> in Germany but it makes more sense to do it in > the > >> U.S. since thats where they are being sold the > >> most,could you recomend me a good professional > company > >> with reasonable prices in the sates? > >> thanx! > >> cheers > >> Luis > >> > >> www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________________ > > >> _______________ > >> Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network > Research Panel > >> today! > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > >> > > > > > > > I just got a project back from Kunaki and it looks > totally pro...I > highly recommend them..From the time I uploaded to > the time It was > delivered was 3 days....I had it shipped 2 day to > Alaska...It's the > way to go now for shorter runs. > > Sean Mormelo > sean@seanmormelo.com > www.seanmormelo.com > www.myspace.com/seanmormelo > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 09:31:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 949B53BEF1; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003c01c7f131$e391e770$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <521461.59994.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Make your own radio station. Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:31:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74255 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:31:42 +0000 (UTC) And the popup blocker here says that they want to install a Skype COM 'wrapper dll'. Since I already have Skype one wonders what this really might be. At least Live365's plugin can be identified as to its source point... From: "L.A. Angulo" > those bastards wont let europeans listen to their > station;-) > Luis > > > --- Mark Sottilaro wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I don't know if any of you know about this, but a >> friend recently turned me >> on to this: >> >> http://www.pandora.com >> >> It does a pretty remarkable job of making a radio >> station tailored to your >> tastes. Doesn't have all the obscure stuff but I >> typed in Floratone and it >> was there. >> >> Mark >> >> >> > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search > that gives answers, not web links. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 12:43:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 53E0D3BF3E; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:43:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e701c7f14c$b4140d50$2601a8c0@SALON> From: "Ingo Ito" To: Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:43:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C7F15D.6E623190" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74256 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 12:43:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C7F15D.6E623190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2 ------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C7F15D.6E623190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_01E2_01C7F15D.6E623190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:17:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F376C3BF44; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qhet2aUB+3y/Vvqmgcy27q1er2ogeraRdzoAhqG7hErPp2NHKqbbndmpZVz7HvLXe+gwWIW4+OZ8XUIxcNmYMuWp6rvqqLpilB5RN7evXW/iZz3s7LztJ3a53dQNP0nwmX5U45M31Mc+gukmL2qBAlA6ayZXdufgzHfztqhi43s=; X-YMail-OSG: uQWYWx8VM1mFjWZZjbpActOwIfrdqAaOkjlN9yV4oW_Ii33YBwEdhNSFejTlhcqK__5nmh_sbRknHqi.txEbccCepTmwlU0knKSKa44_TkeCDieQSBCwjIGu7wlb0w-- Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:16:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: looking for telecasrter string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <002601c7f0bd$9825fca0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <751386.71216.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74257 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:16:59 +0000 (UTC) hey gang, I having a hard time trying to find the little telecaster string ferrules that are in the back for my Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where i could find them and what they are called in German? they look like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1962-62-Fender-Tele-Telecaster-String-Ferrules_W0QQitemZ270162166723QQihZ017QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem thanx! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:24:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B61B3BF00; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:24:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=QoM7Vy7eJ97jY7eXzudyuKcUsT6kTmayi6rQxuQ58jE=; b=Hu8Su9oVUhuUYnLsI46ceqaWY1hdRYjfvBirq4ilZfqWAR4GGLUSWTOy0fzhSbgj0D3iD7P15MOQXhawyeC+asmHj4gj/UUciarA+Ql9lqKAyxVO64BPT0We67Y3fDau4TfaCFSr5ctqkLqZPjs5i5HyCAOBE+D0h7gqALm2TsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iDRbma3yy36gRsFXsf7cyx5quj7E0h5+NJUaahWGvxDryggs6fJR6Qx8+VIXrVeAkF/+gYZA1M81/oS/h+smc9Tc4TJuaw8Y8rLRcuc7fjGX8kU7ySm6+fm24nO78eOYr7pvUzUV9awGsAa5MDA360b1uwctA2a5kdsgQRTW94g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <751386.71216.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <751386.71216.qm@web38612.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <11E2869D-F729-4F08-9CC2-697985D6C56D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: looking for telecasrter string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:24:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74258 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:24:41 +0000 (UTC) On 7 sep 2007, at 15.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > I having a hard time trying to find the little > telecaster string ferrules that are in the back for my > Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where i > could find them and what they are called in German? > they look like this: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1962-62-Fender-Tele-Telecaster-String- > Ferrules_W0QQitemZ270162166723QQihZ017QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWD > VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Sorry, I don't know the name of them in german, but some one else must know it. I feel your pain, Luis, because I have lost those small things many times, when changing strings on a tele. Once I glued them to the wood on one Telecaster and then they stayed on duty. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:27:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19D4A3BF49; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:27:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iro0SXlTUsZFPviViPKY1TNzIXQJDPTTnHrm1G8hV4E=; b=rO220dF48+XXZLX0hGAVfszMj9z0LP2NXK15pQfUjxI0j0Alpi28t717K68alMLKBaK5I2TF998y0vTSwdmH5wHdMLmDi5kh6hb0ryw8LQrcVEpqkt5Cni0qez37XiQIWjlwQ40s0I+9KoFWq3dItGnmXyBQ4Pk7S51Azn1LWV8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=qSQvq6ZGauCstPGBLZhG8iphV/4aZhAJISm58xVWSW+cQnUz3QNA/yr5Tm2yyBSS+8Cy7r1QXoC/0EygyKnRaIBpaqLMUdzBh/oN4eXa0RsGpFBdcks6ZZX6Sb7WkiIAvJgDq/TFndHmVoHlSCzi9yyTEfT8PH1EsbF5zQ7iieA= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709070627ofcdf1a4jc9441258297f71a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:27:21 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) In-Reply-To: <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1028_29107545.1189171641079" References: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74259 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:27:23 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1028_29107545.1189171641079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files on LD so you and Paul and anyone else who wants can pull down. The way Kunaki works is a traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 panel back insert (no booklet option that I can tell), a tray back inclusive of spines, and the CD label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so there will be 4 PSD files for you guys to retreive. Look for it this weekend possibly later this afternoon but more than likely tomorrow. Best Jim On 9/7/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Jim that would be great,exactly what ive been looking > for could you send them PSD to me? > thanx! > Luis > ------=_Part_1028_29107545.1189171641079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files on LD so you and Paul and anyone else who wants can pull down.  The way Kunaki works is a traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 panel back insert (no booklet option that I can tell), a tray back inclusive of spines, and the CD label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so there will be 4 PSD files for you guys to retreive.  Look for it this weekend possibly later this afternoon but more than likely tomorrow.
 
Best
 
Jim 

 
On 9/7/07, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jim that would be great,exactly what ive been looking
for could you send them PSD to me?
thanx!
Luis
------=_Part_1028_29107545.1189171641079-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:29:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30D613BF63; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iNP3vtEnktR2ICWP8PKEMtVkww08xoBdpqVnleH+yGk=; b=B6LBWB8Ikgb1OxjUz4O2st1u9hFMIJX0ToLj4qJ0Za0GXDtFIfX2V0WGiszdWmdnD1ZeidzYNbCcVgDnRX4+e8lgT6b2S2IIzD3OCKnO5YMRdkISBbZlHH/GMxelOSNN+opjZ6niK/2hDG1CR/n0bdFlAJAP4zxS7nF7dYkXE24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Q/Ei14OeHi8WqKpJyDvpiqcpg8E9VoWhBDLvJvVDrQczO5JaIQMHYcvl9Lmsm760Xu6rhgywyYKQEvthCfN0cdTjghReof2lyN7ftR9/KrynEAOzq21xOsB7eTpwL1ZwH+AuSXMIizEzTKVMkmVmI4uEe4yfYfof5yr3qKbchSk= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709070629u59f4e1d8v7ff7b97e71c4f50e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 09:29:30 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) In-Reply-To: <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1045_29248436.1189171770410" References: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74260 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:29:33 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1045_29248436.1189171770410 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline also sending you a friend req from my My S... ------=_Part_1045_29248436.1189171770410 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline also sending you a friend req from my My S... ------=_Part_1045_29248436.1189171770410-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 13:57:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A75733BF3A; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20070906224115.8C59F3BF56@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Cave talk Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 06:57:33 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c7f157$0a247a40$1e6d6ec0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfw4nM87WlsU/8eSAKUqMH6pjw4VgAdH/WQ Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D5abb025900002aba.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74261 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:57:35 +0000 (UTC) Do you mean that looping should be so easy that even a cave man could do it ? ;-) -----Original Message----- From: samba - [mailto:sambacomet@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Cave talk Why asume stone age people had no grammar or syntax? and if they didn't it's possible that their sentences were therefor more complicated rather than more simple. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:15:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E59723BF08; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <049d01c7f159$7b07f190$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <480665.53254.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:15:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74262 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:15:03 +0000 (UTC) > When i try to download their software my antivirus > program jumps up,is something wrong? > Luis I have heard of this happenin. I think it only happens with some anti virus programs. I'll send it to you. It is a small file. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:37:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31FDE3BF3E; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <04cb01c7f15c$9f9277d0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> Subject: Re: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:37:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74263 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:37:33 +0000 (UTC) But only Firewire 400 and not 800? I'm not sure I like the "Duet is directly integrated into GarageBand , Logic Pro and Soundtrack Pro" feature. These sort of hardwired associations make me nervous. Price is good. So you think the AD converters on this are better than let's say a Fireface 400? They don't publish any detailed specs, not even in the PDF user guide. What's up with that? No frequency range and response, sig to noise ratio, etc, etc. Kris > http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:44:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBCB03BF41; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=wUrvbSsMZln6FeVGmL4INoJHBNj0ZEup2nQ+C5pQrYU=; b=m5+gKb6Fwv6r98SGC+BcFZlGGPiBrhz+xo8A69PpbP5lsXmhKT5ZSum+ClJcV7KW8X8YU84UamvD37pQl54+StWGwpjowmZrqazwTxHLy8d5Pcb1ITdwCOkTdDcg1+CnKF+tTVXF/f4ikzXBvCNfpieQYNJ79m5+sWCWNYkMK+c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=pgWFY6u7gnIXLDb77Ho/jtsLb0DAtLINrs6/dpxAhahJ7wHt31Bqh/jiHY1u6ar5GDO9ANAH4ZM2eXI/xXinojobQ1usFWYt1sYSQuwKCY8IyWf9cc/JEjFcyOhkX7EjXUh23pia8+JTkpadjsEC6ttv5KLdRJ1fs2JBr1k7Sas= Message-ID: <26ba8d120709070744u384baeebw2c6316776df28e15@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:44:43 -0400 From: "Tom Ritchford" Sender: tom.ritchford@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight In-Reply-To: <01e701c7f14c$b4140d50$2601a8c0@SALON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <01e701c7f14c$b4140d50$2601a8c0@SALON> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 325c8c6a8e623996 Resent-Message-ID: <8w5Ly.A.sLH.ePW4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74264 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:44:46 +0000 (UTC) 2 Trying to change an established list like this is like blowing in the wind. The better solution is for individuals to have better mail processing so they can handle a high volume of mail. I have Looper's Delight as a label in my gmail which bypasses the inbox so I never see it unless I want to and a thread like this with 50+ emails shows up as one thing for me. Fabulous -- /t http://ax.to ......... extreme NY arts and music calendar http://ax.to/tr ....... my secret little little... http://ax.to/radio ... my little radio station (on intermittently) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 14:58:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2667D3BF54; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:58:46 -0400 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) In-reply-to: <9e0440a60709070627ofcdf1a4jc9441258297f71a7@mail.gmail.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00be01c7f15f$9777b3a0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_124dsEjF6y5RbJ3cr6wxsg)" Thread-index: AcfxUtQEX3fe31+CQ+KH2cR371g/zQADKIsQ References: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60709070627ofcdf1a4jc9441258297f71a7@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74265 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 14:58:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_124dsEjF6y5RbJ3cr6wxsg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thanks, Jim. I'm not planning an immediate release, but I believe this will be useful for me as well. Warren _____ From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:27 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files on LD so you and Paul and anyone else who wants can pull down. The way Kunaki works is a traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 panel back insert (no booklet option that I can tell), a tray back inclusive of spines, and the CD label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so there will be 4 PSD files for you guys to retreive. Look for it this weekend possibly later this afternoon but more than likely tomorrow. Best Jim --Boundary_(ID_124dsEjF6y5RbJ3cr6wxsg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Thanks, Jim. I'm not planning an immediate release, but I believe this will be useful for me as well.
Warren

From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:27 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki)

Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files on LD so you and Paul and anyone else who wants can pull down.  The way Kunaki works is a traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 panel back insert (no booklet option that I can tell), a tray back inclusive of spines, and the CD label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so there will be 4 PSD files for you guys to retreive.  Look for it this weekend possibly later this afternoon but more than likely tomorrow.
 
Best
 
Jim 

--Boundary_(ID_124dsEjF6y5RbJ3cr6wxsg)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:13:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B1403BF25; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c7f161$9b942ed0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <04cb01c7f15c$9f9277d0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 16:13:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74266 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Shh! It's magic what runs the thing, and you'll ruin it for them! Remember those IC diagrams with a box with "FM" on it? [snicker] From: "Krispen Hartung" > But only Firewire 400 and not 800? I'm not sure I like the "Duet is > directly integrated into GarageBand , Logic Pro and > Soundtrack Pro" feature. These sort of hardwired associations make me > nervous. Price is good. So you think the AD converters on this are better > than let's say a Fireface 400? > > They don't publish any detailed specs, not even in the PDF user guide. > What's up with that? No frequency range and response, sig to noise ratio, > etc, etc. > > Kris > >> http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/duet.php > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:20:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BF193BF4B; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7j6GoDOjQ2MxnZ3ZydA+tPwMayqrzm3HwQIAq55EaY8=; b=oOjSe7KaaVKn1ldF1nEOhb+vTmB0SsGOi6HmSkHkILPVgKHKHBIG3Ru168NhaSDq5FVrXqYc6eQ+EuQIhna0XNv3SUYVA3xBl2ug0hN4N2wYM+jbwTeNycrYi6X6x0pqQhWbyFy6esyjOzC8ONfe5mQjSQB2WLOCQbosByXAHTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cOw522FRjt48x696D8OhIoMbMqwvliWdYt3RqTH3of/g1E++tI0qbdbHIJHVOJQcVhOF4CXt2qJmGtihUuWIGlZ35lbgWFxOUOIALIbwvTuruPFWqLftWKK5Y3kWCY2QLT6OGHdLDkblZOGfwjH5DDuiOCzJhHilXUCxKrLyeoQ= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709070820h78a8b587wbdabd76a258e8bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:20:53 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) In-Reply-To: <00be01c7f15f$9777b3a0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1751_5074786.1189178453908" References: <9e0440a60709061812t2f221572x5757673b20357e3@mail.gmail.com> <949906.77334.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9e0440a60709070627ofcdf1a4jc9441258297f71a7@mail.gmail.com> <00be01c7f15f$9777b3a0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> Resent-Message-ID: <5S9aZ.A.Gv.XxW4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74267 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:20:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1751_5074786.1189178453908 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Warren you're welcome and yeah file em till you need, will post this weekend... best jim On 9/7/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > ------=_Part_1751_5074786.1189178453908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Warren you're welcome and yeah file em till you need, will post this weekend...
 
best
 
jim

 
On 9/7/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
 
------=_Part_1751_5074786.1189178453908-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:23:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B944D3BF41; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QTc58+jQPxOA9FQJDz7ezZeKlCHxgEQHfJYnx1rMu6E=; b=Uzo08UP638zxwhyLI9H2o15hhpnHd++wiC900BDmTrXutqWcAQ/aytirYA9DpN1GsZ6e3ykkXkHI+Tw+iuRJ6uxfANtCsOfFOspbiaWaRXyEb8Ojginn8DSlW4N+cUmy9qCE0mgfJUPpeYmAFpRG1YjGvc3RVsMUNs2eE9P89Dc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QZu79v4/A+a5BYS3SUvxeQrZ+oSoV7RQseZKhNDUg3jNv2UORC2+hcFw9drZEsVOyRbTRpUsnYTzByxQjFgLyuvxauM664Elu2y6GAtf5ZFduh3XiF/eGzaRztA00LPWBiZkMa7FHkHRdoKX3pHK3oAcO9z7diEoeZocPyd8ke0= Message-ID: <588ce11d0709070823w2efafb24g637141408382e14c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:23:50 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation In-Reply-To: <480665.53254.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <480665.53254.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74268 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi Luis, I was using Anti-Vir and it complained, so I changed my anti-virus program to Avast, and everything was fine. On 9/7/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > When i try to download their software my antivirus > program jumps up,is something wrong? > Luis -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:26:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B9E63BF64; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4Iivtw/m+iLJ2MQeTMhfeoWQio7YSHfGtjNVCyf28/g=; b=fBS0mpmZhQIVGn95q9zoYPz7ZiEtcV2SvMi6hvyzKCTvs2zxVVKIS4vxjlmzPtsS1ofjDhaxn1qMX6m6QHJ1/JJSn1QlBkCrMHxa0CKai6fSt9t1j5jtUpdRyFWqWVRW4P3YYuC/PMQpJ9wdt89AHjEmJzOwJXkgBigcXk612I8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AyOSvCXtD/kLO2Q3CwxtTHcSzdfEjrKjY9vIk4z0VkRCEcjp0HFEtAa+6LRg0wACdohVOB7gYScZ9qkh0fdWsDYDwO41SA/uiZ8NGQcusaOQNQcd73+GLH0L8sZ9VUj4Ak3/TR64HbGhiM2ADtSo2zMTQyYxJGdijQlNUg3Q+b8= Message-ID: <588ce11d0709070826l75418ec1g85461e2ffaacd7a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 08:26:24 -0700 From: "Art Simon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Cave talk In-Reply-To: <042701c7f114$2c33ca20$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <042701c7f114$2c33ca20$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74269 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:26:26 +0000 (UTC) You've got twins--why not one of each : ) And if you do find the costumes, let me know. My five year old would love it. On 9/6/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > On a similar note, I think I'll dress my 2 1/2 year old twins up a > Australopithecines > this Halloween. What do you think, Afarensis or Robustus? I'm torn. > > Kris -- Art Simon simart@null.net http://art.simon.tripod.com http://www.myspace.com/artsimon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 15:34:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECB9F3BF72; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:34:11 EDT Subject: OT DESIGNATION in headers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce4.1a9e1fd0.3412c973_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74270 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 15:34:21 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce4.1a9e1fd0.3412c973_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i've read every "JAZZ TONE" and "CAVE TALK" post and learned nothing of "LOOPING".....now i am totally cornfused.....did we decide that we not only do not need an OT list but we are now free to write "whatever" without an OT designation in the header?.....did i mention that i love chicken pate'.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_ce4.1a9e1fd0.3412c973_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i've read every "JAZZ TONE" and "CAVE T= ALK" post and learned nothing of "LOOPING".....now i am totally cornfused...= ..did we decide that we not only do not need an OT list but we are now free=20= to write "whatever" without an OT designation in the header?.....did i menti= on that i love chicken pate'.....:).....michael



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Get a sneak= peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --part1_ce4.1a9e1fd0.3412c973_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:16:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050163BF44; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:16:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0520_01C7F140.886FFCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <219CNC.A.MSE.udY4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74271 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:16:30 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0520_01C7F140.886FFCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ...just posting my MP3 of a performance last night at Boise State = University. The university is hosting a new experimental music series, = one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They will be held at = different venues on the campus. Last night's performance was at their = amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like setup, GIANT stereo PA, = etc. =20 http://www.box.net/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3 or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d1j13ccmry In this, I'm using my Epi "Roadie" mini guitar, ThinkPad T60p with just = the stock soundcard, and MAX/MSP with the Boogex tube amp VST sim, = Reaktor, and all my other max patches. I have a few new surprises as = well, like a new random percussion generator I just created with = MAX..all FM synthesis generated percussion sounds, randomly triggered. = Anway, here is the blow by blow take, if you want to follow along on the = 30 minutes journey: 0:00 - Song begins using my own max/msp patch I call "Thick Space". It = is a series of pitch shifters and delays to create a lush pad-like = sound. It was my attempt to replace one of my favorite Reaktor ensemble = presets (from the ensemble "Blackbird")...close, so close. 1:20 - this is a Reaktor patch called "EarSafe vs.1.1" (for you Reaktor = users to go out and find on their user library); I'm controlling two = parameters with my Behringer FCB controller pedals 2:53 - clean guitar, melodic and chordal improv with my max/msp reverb = and delay, Boogex amp sim, etc, etc - just the typical Hartungian free = jazz-like improv=20 4:22 - max/msp reverse delay patch that was posted on the max/msp list a = while back, and Jeff Kaiser simplified for me; I am controlling the = delay rate/pitch with my FCB expression pedals 5:40 - max/msp stereo ring mod patch, controlling both L and R = modulation with my FCB expression pedals 6:52 - At this point, I take the original loop created with "ThickSpace" = above and apply the random variable speed function of the max/msp Kaiser = looper. Basically, it is, at a fixed rate, randomly selecting varying = loop speeds, both forward and reverse; I start applying it to the = Reverse Delay loop as well, a bit after this, plus drop the "Thick = Space" loop down an octave 6:57 - here you here the debut appears of my new max/msp FM synthesis = based random percussion generator, along with some clean guitar chordal = improvisation 8:37 - Here I start using a combination of "ThickSpace" and my stereo = max/msp pitch shifter...creating an uprising, swelling pitch effect 10:31 - here enters another Reaktor patch...called "Patchinko" I = believe...sort of a distorted effect with some filtering, bit reduction, = etc 11:37 - another Reaktor patch...can't recall the name, but I wasn't = inspired, so I moved on 12:35 - after the fade out, another one of my favorite Reaktor patches = called "Spechter" (sort of like a ring mod but more metalic sounding; = combined with my max/msp stereo pitch shifting patch; some messing = around with this combination for a few minutes with no looping; at 14:15 = I start looping a rhythmic pulse 14:52 - these sounds, for a few minutes, are from Nathan Walek's max/msp = granular toolkit. I modified the objects in his toolkit to be true = stereo, and also added some code to control parameters with my two FCB = expression pedals, which you can hear me doing here; I loop a few of the = phrases and then drop them down an octave in the Kaiser Looper...then = apply the random variable speed function 17:09 - my FM synthesis random percussion enters for a second....ah, = nevermind. 17:26 - This is a patch that comes with max/msp (maybe in the sample = patches that come with it), called "FM Surfer". It is a keyboard = triggered toy for generating a variety of interesting FM synthesis = sounds and effects. Fun. 18:36 - some improv with my max/msp stereo pitch shifter, using = expression pedals, etc 19:39 - FM Surfer enters again...I'm playing it with my right hand on = the keyboard, and also playing the guitar with my left hand only, with = the pitch shifter and expression pedals 21:07 - Reverse delay appears again....some looping with it 21:50 - I start using ThickSpace again, to generate a series of textured = loops...that begin to climax and ascend into insanity; this is = accompanied by some speed shift clicking from the original set of = loops...I still have one loop continuing with that function; then I = apply again to the whole set of textured loops, start improving with = ring mod wildly...all this chaos fades out 25:05 - major change of direction and feel - back to some of my older = more "melodic" looping approach; I loop a basic motif and then start = adding more loops to compliment it; this is a contrast from all the = prior chaos and electronic mayhem; this will have sort of a "pretty" = feel to it, intentionally to generate a drastic contrast to everything = prior; I like this sort of juxtaposition of feels 27:28 - I soon get impatient with the diatonic prettiness, and start to = loop with ThickSpace....adding some dark dissonance in the = background...a storm is coming...yet, I continue to press the guitar = melody a bit...come back little Toto! We're not ready to enter the = storm yet; the melody around 29:28 starts to morp into polytonalism, and = then I start looping the phrases to create some tension and release; = some chordal improv 31:50 - I start to replace the four loops with the same looped note on = the guitar, to create a foundation for follow on manipulation 32:34 - in order, I apply the Kaiser Looper random variable speed = function to each of the four looped guitar parts, from the same note; = fade out to end I hope you enjoy it! Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0520_01C7F140.886FFCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
...just posting my MP3 of a performance = last night=20 at Boise State University. The university is hosting a new experimental = music=20 series, one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They will be = held at=20 different venues on the campus. Last night's performance was at their=20 amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like setup, GIANT stereo PA, = etc. 
 
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3
or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d= 1j13ccmry
 
In this, I'm using my Epi "Roadie" = mini=20 guitar,  ThinkPad T60p with just the stock soundcard, and MAX/MSP = with the=20 Boogex tube amp VST sim, Reaktor, and all my other max patches. I have a = few new=20 surprises as well, like a new random percussion generator I just created = with=20 MAX..all FM synthesis generated percussion sounds, randomly = triggered. =20 Anway, here is the blow by blow take, if you want to follow along on the = 30=20 minutes journey:
 
0:00 - Song begins using my own max/msp = patch I=20 call "Thick Space". It is a series of pitch shifters and delays to = create a lush=20 pad-like sound. It was my attempt to replace one of my favorite Reaktor = ensemble=20 presets (from the ensemble "Blackbird")...close, so close.
 
1:20 - this is a Reaktor patch called = "EarSafe=20 vs.1.1" (for you Reaktor users to go out and find on their user = library); I'm=20 controlling two parameters with my Behringer FCB controller = pedals
 
2:53 - clean guitar, melodic and = chordal=20 improv with my max/msp reverb and delay, Boogex amp sim, etc, etc - = just the typical Hartungian free=20 jazz-like improv 
 
4:22 - max/msp reverse delay patch that = was posted=20 on the max/msp list a while back, and Jeff Kaiser simplified for me; I = am=20 controlling the delay rate/pitch with my FCB expression = pedals
 
5:40 - max/msp stereo ring mod patch, = controlling=20 both L and R modulation with my FCB expression pedals
 
6:52 - At this point, I take the = original loop=20 created with "ThickSpace" above and apply the random variable speed = function of=20 the max/msp Kaiser looper. Basically, it is, at a fixed rate, randomly = selecting=20 varying loop speeds, both forward and reverse; I start applying it to = the=20 Reverse Delay loop as well, a bit after this, plus drop the "Thick = Space" loop=20 down an octave
 
6:57 - here you here the debut appears = of my new=20 max/msp FM synthesis based random percussion generator, along with some = clean=20 guitar chordal improvisation
 
8:37 - Here I start using a combination = of=20 "ThickSpace" and my stereo max/msp pitch shifter...creating an uprising, = swelling pitch effect
 
10:31 - here enters another Reaktor = patch...called=20 "Patchinko" I believe...sort of a distorted effect with some filtering, = bit=20 reduction, etc
 
11:37 - another Reaktor patch...can't = recall the=20 name, but I wasn't inspired, so I moved on
 
12:35 - after the fade out, another one = of my=20 favorite Reaktor patches called "Spechter" (sort of like a ring mod but = more=20 metalic sounding; combined with my max/msp stereo pitch shifting patch; = some=20 messing around with this combination for a few minutes with no looping; = at 14:15=20 I start looping a rhythmic pulse
 
14:52 - these sounds, for a few=20 minutes, are from Nathan Walek's = max/msp=20 granular toolkit. I modified the objects in his toolkit to be true = stereo, and=20 also added some code to control parameters with my two FCB expression = pedals,=20 which you can hear me doing here; I loop a few of the phrases and then = drop them=20 down an octave in the Kaiser Looper...then apply the random variable = speed=20 function
 
17:09 - my FM synthesis random = percussion enters=20 for a second....ah, nevermind.
 
17:26 - This is a patch that comes with = max/msp=20 (maybe in the sample patches that come with it), called "FM Surfer". It = is a=20 keyboard triggered toy for generating a variety of interesting FM = synthesis=20 sounds and effects. Fun.
 
18:36 - some improv with my max/msp = stereo pitch=20 shifter, using expression pedals, etc
 
19:39 - FM Surfer enters again...I'm = playing it=20 with my right hand on the keyboard, and also playing the guitar with my = left=20 hand only, with the pitch shifter and expression pedals
 
21:07 - Reverse delay appears = again....some looping=20 with it
 
21:50 - I start using ThickSpace again, = to generate=20 a series of textured loops...that begin to climax and ascend into = insanity; this=20 is accompanied by some speed shift clicking from the original set of = loops...I=20 still have one loop continuing with that function; then I apply again to = the=20 whole set of textured loops, start improving with ring mod wildly...all = this=20 chaos fades out
 
25:05 - major change of direction and = feel - back=20 to some of my older more "melodic" looping approach; I loop a basic = motif and=20 then start adding more loops to compliment it; this is a contrast from = all the=20 prior chaos and electronic mayhem;  this will have sort of a = "pretty" feel=20 to it, intentionally to generate a drastic contrast to everything prior; = I like=20 this sort of juxtaposition of feels
 
27:28 - I soon get impatient with the = diatonic=20 prettiness, and start to loop with ThickSpace....adding some dark = dissonance in=20 the background...a storm is coming...yet, I continue to press the guitar = melody=20 a bit...come back little Toto!  We're not ready to enter the storm = yet; the=20 melody around 29:28 starts to morp into polytonalism, and then I start = looping=20 the phrases to create some tension and release; some chordal = improv
 
31:50 - I start to replace the four = loops with the=20 same looped note on the guitar, to create a foundation for follow on=20 manipulation
 
32:34 - in order, I apply the Kaiser = Looper random=20 variable speed function to each of the four looped guitar parts, from = the same=20 note; fade out to end
 
 
I hope you enjoy it!
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
****************************************************************= **********
Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------=_NextPart_000_0520_01C7F140.886FFCB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:32:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4B83BF53; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:32:32 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c7f175$12b79fc0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfxctXdH4/phujBTpehp5KPq73cQgAAhidA In-Reply-To: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWBSWv2hA== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74272 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for that post, Krispen...a pity that some of the performance actually sounds like a guitar ;) ________________________________ Von: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Gesendet: Freitag, 7. September 2007 19:16 An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Betreff: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater ...just posting my MP3 of a performance last night at Boise State University. The university is hosting a new experimental music series, one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They will be held at different venues on the campus. Last night's performance was at their amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like setup, GIANT stereo PA, etc. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 17:36:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C93A3BF45; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:36:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <052c01c7f175$9efee100$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000301c7f175$12b79fc0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:36:26 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <3BwfED.A.-BF.dwY4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74273 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 17:36:29 +0000 (UTC) > Thanks for that post, Krispen...a pity that some of the performance > actually sounds like a guitar ;) Heh heh....yeah, the instrument just sneaks in there sometimes and raises audacious head. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 18:37:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 018D03BF4B; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070907133729.79ehnk2uosg4s40c@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:37:29 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74274 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > ...just posting my MP3 of a performance last night at Boise State > University. The university is hosting a new experimental music > series, one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They will > be held at different venues on the campus. Last night's performance > was at their amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like > setup, GIANT stereo PA, etc. > > http://www.box.net/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3 > or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d1j13ccmry > Am listening to his now. I appreciate it when downloads are provided in audio streaming and/or mp3 format (as you have done here). I often listen during my workday, and I'm a bit skittish about going to YouTube or Myspace during the workday. The bandwidth for audio isn't enough to draw ire from the LAN folks. :) This improvised performance is interesting and the pacing certainly holds my interest. Thanks for posting... -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 18:49:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9B943BF61; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF55C@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <04cb01c7f15c$9f9277d0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Topic: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Thread-Index: AcfxXKJYAMSigFpwR1G3Z0QklZ/hfwAHXhcA References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <04cb01c7f15c$9f9277d0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74275 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:49:21 +0000 (UTC) A breakout cable. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? I like the minimalist aesthetics but having a pound of wire hanging off the back sort of ruins it. Your plug/jack=20 interconnect will be dangling in space (don't move guitarists!) or splayed out over a surface. The spec sheet says there are only 2 DAC channels meaning that while you have 4 inputs (2 XLR and 2 1/4") you can only=20 use one pair at a time. So, you've got a $500 2x2 interface, a guitar plugged into 1 jack and a hydra of 3 useless cables flapping in the breeze. Odd. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 18:58:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AEE563BF4E; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=faTPpJQh6CbmCAWNUV4OzElOWYVGnUPAUQQNmoG0dYk=; b=s8+Cdyp8Mpo50WAIefxX+YPdHGV1qr2D32VM7FYuD22PLY/PnE3NeEU+/gJ/OGkrefd6PxDzpfcJS43MaKPl6gut0fpCadECY0KsJrxrrWBqCh1l9FK3Hj3qHbKTR9y1qeGdpctbA7dc0ll12gIFFLXXkz9WIqFGcPd64+gp0dI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=HVz8HL1dUoluDuLUoMyCudA+1T3oCm3H0YYoEkkFz3jogxh6FIFtZcKKINC6XG48j2fun54bHYgcG8pvYMiNiYs4GYV4K3HT9Na6nV1cFjSCHp6s8fsWHabOUht9/X/++mjLibRsNAuCEQQ5BqWyekSnkZD+HR049mVtjMTUGHM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF55C@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <006e01c7eec3$b306f700$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <002701c7ef08$903f8fd0$1001a8c0@succubus> <55e79c0d0709040851v24b22badw35011af6a51b93c6@mail.gmail.com> <0B63E44A-3A00-4734-9BA8-0E06EAFF0F8E@gmail.com> <000801c7ef2c$3e14d2a0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <008001c7ef87$c3e27490$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <04cb01c7f15c$9f9277d0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF55C@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: New interesting Apogee audio interface for Mac Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:57:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74276 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:58:01 +0000 (UTC) On 7 sep 2007, at 20.49, Jeff Larson wrote: > A breakout cable. Who the hell thought that was a good idea? Every poor musician. It's a cost effective design. > I like the minimalist aesthetics but having a pound of wire > hanging off the back sort of ruins it. Your plug/jack > interconnect will be dangling in space (don't move guitarists!) > or splayed out over a surface. > > The spec sheet says there are only 2 DAC channels meaning > that while you have 4 inputs (2 XLR and 2 1/4") you can only > use one pair at a time. So, you've got a $500 2x2 interface, > a guitar plugged into 1 jack and a hydra of 3 useless cables > flapping in the breeze. Odd. Well, it is "stereo" ;-) I suspect that the bang for the buck is rather to be found in audio fidelity. Per (happily sticking with his stone age Multiface + analog mic pre amp in the studio and the Fireface400 for live work) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 19:05:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DA603BF58; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ba01c7f181$f80c0140$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 21:04:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C7F192.BB3C9F20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74277 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:05:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C7F192.BB3C9F20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You'are going deep into a Space Music genre, Kris. Thanks for sharing, i like it, expecially the intro and the changing of = "direction", around 25-26min. 'till the end. Well done ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Krispen Hartung=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 7:16 PM Subject: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State = Universith Amphitheater ...just posting my MP3 of a performance last night at Boise State = University. The university is hosting a new experimental music series, = one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They will be held at = different venues on the campus. Last night's performance was at their = amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like setup, GIANT stereo PA, = etc. =20 http://www.box.net/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3 or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d1j13ccmry In this, I'm using my Epi "Roadie" mini guitar, ThinkPad T60p with = just the stock soundcard, and MAX/MSP with the Boogex tube amp VST sim, = Reaktor, and all my other max patches. I have a few new surprises as = well, like a new random percussion generator I just created with = MAX..all FM synthesis generated percussion sounds, randomly triggered. = Anway, here is the blow by blow take, if you want to follow along on the = 30 minutes journey: 0:00 - Song begins using my own max/msp patch I call "Thick Space". It = is a series of pitch shifters and delays to create a lush pad-like = sound. It was my attempt to replace one of my favorite Reaktor ensemble = presets (from the ensemble "Blackbird")...close, so close. 1:20 - this is a Reaktor patch called "EarSafe vs.1.1" (for you = Reaktor users to go out and find on their user library); I'm controlling = two parameters with my Behringer FCB controller pedals 2:53 - clean guitar, melodic and chordal improv with my max/msp reverb = and delay, Boogex amp sim, etc, etc - just the typical Hartungian free = jazz-like improv=20 4:22 - max/msp reverse delay patch that was posted on the max/msp list = a while back, and Jeff Kaiser simplified for me; I am controlling the = delay rate/pitch with my FCB expression pedals 5:40 - max/msp stereo ring mod patch, controlling both L and R = modulation with my FCB expression pedals 6:52 - At this point, I take the original loop created with = "ThickSpace" above and apply the random variable speed function of the = max/msp Kaiser looper. Basically, it is, at a fixed rate, randomly = selecting varying loop speeds, both forward and reverse; I start = applying it to the Reverse Delay loop as well, a bit after this, plus = drop the "Thick Space" loop down an octave 6:57 - here you here the debut appears of my new max/msp FM synthesis = based random percussion generator, along with some clean guitar chordal = improvisation 8:37 - Here I start using a combination of "ThickSpace" and my stereo = max/msp pitch shifter...creating an uprising, swelling pitch effect 10:31 - here enters another Reaktor patch...called "Patchinko" I = believe...sort of a distorted effect with some filtering, bit reduction, = etc 11:37 - another Reaktor patch...can't recall the name, but I wasn't = inspired, so I moved on 12:35 - after the fade out, another one of my favorite Reaktor patches = called "Spechter" (sort of like a ring mod but more metalic sounding; = combined with my max/msp stereo pitch shifting patch; some messing = around with this combination for a few minutes with no looping; at 14:15 = I start looping a rhythmic pulse 14:52 - these sounds, for a few minutes, are from Nathan Walek's = max/msp granular toolkit. I modified the objects in his toolkit to be = true stereo, and also added some code to control parameters with my two = FCB expression pedals, which you can hear me doing here; I loop a few of = the phrases and then drop them down an octave in the Kaiser = Looper...then apply the random variable speed function 17:09 - my FM synthesis random percussion enters for a second....ah, = nevermind. 17:26 - This is a patch that comes with max/msp (maybe in the sample = patches that come with it), called "FM Surfer". It is a keyboard = triggered toy for generating a variety of interesting FM synthesis = sounds and effects. Fun. 18:36 - some improv with my max/msp stereo pitch shifter, using = expression pedals, etc 19:39 - FM Surfer enters again...I'm playing it with my right hand on = the keyboard, and also playing the guitar with my left hand only, with = the pitch shifter and expression pedals 21:07 - Reverse delay appears again....some looping with it 21:50 - I start using ThickSpace again, to generate a series of = textured loops...that begin to climax and ascend into insanity; this is = accompanied by some speed shift clicking from the original set of = loops...I still have one loop continuing with that function; then I = apply again to the whole set of textured loops, start improving with = ring mod wildly...all this chaos fades out 25:05 - major change of direction and feel - back to some of my older = more "melodic" looping approach; I loop a basic motif and then start = adding more loops to compliment it; this is a contrast from all the = prior chaos and electronic mayhem; this will have sort of a "pretty" = feel to it, intentionally to generate a drastic contrast to everything = prior; I like this sort of juxtaposition of feels 27:28 - I soon get impatient with the diatonic prettiness, and start = to loop with ThickSpace....adding some dark dissonance in the = background...a storm is coming...yet, I continue to press the guitar = melody a bit...come back little Toto! We're not ready to enter the = storm yet; the melody around 29:28 starts to morp into polytonalism, and = then I start looping the phrases to create some tension and release; = some chordal improv 31:50 - I start to replace the four loops with the same looped note on = the guitar, to create a foundation for follow on manipulation 32:34 - in order, I apply the Kaiser Looper random variable speed = function to each of the four looped guitar parts, from the same note; = fade out to end I hope you enjoy it! Kris = *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.8/993 - Release Date: = 06/09/2007 15.18 ------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C7F192.BB3C9F20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You'are going deep into = a Space=20 Music genre, Kris.
Thanks for sharing, i like it, expecially the intro and = the=20 changing of "direction", around 25-26min. 'till the = end.
Well done = !
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Krispen=20 Hartung
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Friday, September 07, = 2007 7:16=20 PM
Subject: Last Night's = Performance=20 Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater

...just posting my MP3 of a = performance last=20 night at Boise State University. The university is hosting a new = experimental=20 music series, one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They = will be=20 held at different venues on the campus. Last night's performance was = at their=20 amphitheater...very cool little Greek/Roman like setup, GIANT stereo = PA,=20 etc. 
 
http://www.box.n= et/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3
or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d= 1j13ccmry
 
In this, I'm using my Epi = "Roadie" mini=20 guitar,  ThinkPad T60p with just the stock soundcard, and MAX/MSP = with=20 the Boogex tube amp VST sim, Reaktor, and all my other max patches. I = have a=20 few new surprises as well, like a new random percussion generator I = just=20 created with MAX..all FM synthesis generated percussion sounds, = randomly=20 triggered.  Anway, here is the blow by blow take, if you want to = follow=20 along on the 30 minutes journey:
 
0:00 - Song begins using my own = max/msp patch I=20 call "Thick Space". It is a series of pitch shifters and delays to = create a=20 lush pad-like sound. It was my attempt to replace one of my favorite = Reaktor=20 ensemble presets (from the ensemble "Blackbird")...close, so=20 close.
 
1:20 - this is a Reaktor patch called = "EarSafe=20 vs.1.1" (for you Reaktor users to go out and find on their user = library); I'm=20 controlling two parameters with my Behringer FCB controller=20 pedals
 
2:53 - clean guitar, melodic and = chordal=20 improv with my max/msp reverb and delay, Boogex amp sim, etc, etc = -=20 just the typical Hartungian free=20 jazz-like improv 
 
4:22 - max/msp reverse delay patch = that was=20 posted on the max/msp list a while back, and Jeff Kaiser simplified = for me; I=20 am controlling the delay rate/pitch with my FCB expression = pedals
 
5:40 - max/msp stereo ring mod patch, = controlling=20 both L and R modulation with my FCB expression pedals
 
6:52 - At this point, I take the = original loop=20 created with "ThickSpace" above and apply the random variable speed = function=20 of the max/msp Kaiser looper. Basically, it is, at a fixed rate, = randomly=20 selecting varying loop speeds, both forward and reverse; I start = applying it=20 to the Reverse Delay loop as well, a bit after this, plus drop the = "Thick=20 Space" loop down an octave
 
6:57 - here you here the debut = appears of my new=20 max/msp FM synthesis based random percussion generator, along with = some clean=20 guitar chordal improvisation
 
8:37 - Here I start using a = combination of=20 "ThickSpace" and my stereo max/msp pitch shifter...creating an = uprising,=20 swelling pitch effect
 
10:31 - here enters another Reaktor=20 patch...called "Patchinko" I believe...sort of a distorted effect with = some=20 filtering, bit reduction, etc
 
11:37 - another Reaktor patch...can't = recall the=20 name, but I wasn't inspired, so I moved on
 
12:35 - after the fade out, another = one of my=20 favorite Reaktor patches called "Spechter" (sort of like a ring mod = but more=20 metalic sounding; combined with my max/msp stereo pitch shifting = patch; some=20 messing around with this combination for a few minutes with no = looping; at=20 14:15 I start looping a rhythmic pulse
 
14:52 - these sounds, for a few=20 minutes, are from Nathan = Walek's max/msp=20 granular toolkit. I modified the objects in his toolkit to be true = stereo, and=20 also added some code to control parameters with my two FCB expression = pedals,=20 which you can hear me doing here; I loop a few of the phrases and then = drop=20 them down an octave in the Kaiser Looper...then apply the random = variable=20 speed function
 
17:09 - my FM synthesis random = percussion enters=20 for a second....ah, nevermind.
 
17:26 - This is a patch that comes = with max/msp=20 (maybe in the sample patches that come with it), called "FM Surfer". = It is a=20 keyboard triggered toy for generating a variety of interesting FM = synthesis=20 sounds and effects. Fun.
 
18:36 - some improv with my max/msp = stereo pitch=20 shifter, using expression pedals, etc
 
19:39 - FM Surfer enters again...I'm = playing it=20 with my right hand on the keyboard, and also playing the guitar with = my left=20 hand only, with the pitch shifter and expression pedals
 
21:07 - Reverse delay appears = again....some=20 looping with it
 
21:50 - I start using ThickSpace = again, to=20 generate a series of textured loops...that begin to climax and ascend = into=20 insanity; this is accompanied by some speed shift clicking from the = original=20 set of loops...I still have one loop continuing with that function; = then I=20 apply again to the whole set of textured loops, start improving with = ring mod=20 wildly...all this chaos fades out
 
25:05 - major change of direction and = feel - back=20 to some of my older more "melodic" looping approach; I loop a basic = motif and=20 then start adding more loops to compliment it; this is a contrast from = all the=20 prior chaos and electronic mayhem;  this will have sort of a = "pretty"=20 feel to it, intentionally to generate a drastic contrast to everything = prior;=20 I like this sort of juxtaposition of feels
 
27:28 - I soon get impatient with the = diatonic=20 prettiness, and start to loop with ThickSpace....adding some dark = dissonance=20 in the background...a storm is coming...yet, I continue to press the = guitar=20 melody a bit...come back little Toto!  We're not ready to enter = the storm=20 yet; the melody around 29:28 starts to morp into polytonalism, and = then I=20 start looping the phrases to create some tension and release; some = chordal=20 improv
 
31:50 - I start to replace the four = loops with=20 the same looped note on the guitar, to create a foundation for follow = on=20 manipulation
 
32:34 - in order, I apply the Kaiser = Looper=20 random variable speed function to each of the four looped guitar = parts, from=20 the same note; fade out to end
 
 
I hope you enjoy it!
 
Kris
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
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------=_NextPart_000_01B7_01C7F192.BB3C9F20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 7 19:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F07A33BF60; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <057301c7f183$b1500650$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <01ba01c7f181$f80c0140$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 13:17:09 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_056F_01C7F151.656E9760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74278 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 19:17:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_056F_01C7F151.656E9760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Fabio and Kevin! Yes, I've always been somewhat of a space = cadet. / K ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 You'are going deep into a Space Music genre, Kris. Thanks for sharing, i like it, expecially the intro and the changing = of "direction", around 25-26min. 'till the end. Well done ! fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_056F_01C7F151.656E9760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Fabio and Kevin! Yes, I've = always been=20 somewhat of a space cadet. / K
----- Original Message -----

 
You'are going deep = into a Space=20 Music genre, Kris.
Thanks for sharing, i like it, expecially the intro = and the=20 changing of "direction", around 25-26min. 'till the = end.
Well done = !
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
 
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Reference:6668250 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 00:58:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E8523BF49; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:54:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) In-reply-to: <13236631.1188972289578.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46E1F2DE.5030505@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> <004f01c7ef33$0b6be760$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <13236631.1188972289578.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74279 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 00:58:02 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > You will have to tape together a long tape loop and also > cover/deactivate the erasing head on one of the machines. That's different from my understanding of how to use a two deck setup. I always thought that the left hand machine recorded the tape and the machine on the right did the playback. The playback signal is sent to the PA (or monitor, or whatever) and also fed back to the first machine's input (via a mixer, if necessary). Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 01:17:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69D303BF46; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:17:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <057301c7f183$b1500650$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <01ba01c7f181$f80c0140$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <057301c7f183$b1500650$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-453636716 Message-Id: <89c582d1834e89f7602383224ec9f58c@charter.net> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 18:17:14 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74280 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:17:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-453636716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Kris, I downloaded your MP3 at work this morning and listened to it 2 or 3 =20 times through. I've downloaded it here at home too and I'm listening to it again here =20= right now. I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) =20= than anything you've done so far. I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad =20 some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess). You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . . =20= . what's their problem? You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no =20= mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks. Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too. But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be =20 another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO). The guitar humanizes it somewhat. And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of =20 academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic =20 Music in the US). I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so. Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over =20= the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty =20 extraordinary. I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has =20 taken. You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the =20= MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think. Keep it up. I've yet to get there. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20= --Apple-Mail-1-453636716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Kris, I downloaded your MP3 at work this morning and listened to it 2 or 3 times through. I've downloaded it here at home too and I'm listening to it again here right now. I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) than anything you've done so far. I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess). You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . . . what's their problem? You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks. Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too. But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO). The guitar humanizes it somewhat. And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic Music in the US). I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so. Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty extraordinary. I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has taken. You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think. Keep it up. I've yet to get there. tEd =AE KiLLiAn < = CourierFFFF,0C0C,0000Diff= erent is not always better, but better is always different" =20 7F7F,7A7A,7A7AFlux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D1211970 00042=20 =20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? = = --Apple-Mail-1-453636716-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 02:20:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B2CD3BF27; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <063e01c7f1be$cda7b970$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <01ba01c7f181$f80c0140$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <057301c7f183$b1500650$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <89c582d1834e89f7602383224ec9f58c@charter.net> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 20:20:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_063A_01C7F18C.823BEFB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74281 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 02:20:21 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_063A_01C7F18C.823BEFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Ted. This is one of the nicest commentaries of my work, and you = are spot on, which isn't surprising given how many influences we have in = common. It's almost uncanny. Terje Rypdal? yeah. I really appreciate = when someon can hear my "voice" or musical genetic code stand in relief = admist my work, regardless of how many effects I'm using, whether = hardware or laptop/software. That's the sort of thing I have been = striving for over 28 years as a guitarist and composer. I had no idea you were a member of SEAMUS. You must tell me more when we = meet again, as I have become more interested in electro-acoustic music = lately, for obvious reasons. :) Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 Kris, I downloaded your MP3 at work this morning and listened to it 2 or 3 = times through. I've downloaded it here at home too and I'm listening to it again here = right now. I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) = than anything you've done so far. I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad = some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess). You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . = . . what's their problem? You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no = mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too. But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be = another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO). The guitar humanizes it somewhat. And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of = academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic Music = in the US). I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so. Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over = the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty = extraordinary. I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has = taken. You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the = MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think. Keep it up. I've yet to get there. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Different is not always better, but better is always different"=20 Flux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 6378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) = CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D1211970 00042=20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_063A_01C7F18C.823BEFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Ted. This is one of the nicest = commentaries=20 of my work, and you are spot on, which isn't surprising given how many=20 influences we have in common. It's almost uncanny. Terje Rypdal? yeah. I = really=20 appreciate when someon can hear my "voice" or musical genetic code stand = in=20 relief admist my work, regardless of how many effects I'm using, whether = hardware or laptop/software.  That's the sort of thing I have been = striving=20 for over 28 years as a guitarist and composer.
 
I had no idea you were a member of = SEAMUS. You must=20 tell me more when we meet again, as I have become more interested in=20 electro-acoustic music lately, for obvious reasons. :)
 
Kris
 
----- Original Message -----

 Kris,

I=20 downloaded your MP3 at work this morning and listened to it 2 or 3 = times=20 through.
I've downloaded it here at home too and I'm listening to = it again=20 here right now.
I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe = even a=20 little more) than anything you've done so far.
I don't get the one = LD=20 commenter who posted something about "too bad some of the guitar was=20 recognizable" (as guitar, I guess).
You're a guitar player fer = chrissakes .=20 . . and a damn good one too . . . what's their problem?
You have a = tone and=20 a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no mater how it might = be=20 otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks
Now, I have to say I do = like those=20 bleeps and blonks too.
But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar = part it=20 would just be another one of many electronic music "experiments"=20 (IMOHO).
The guitar humanizes it somewhat.

And, to be = honest, in the=20 late '80s and early 90s I was a member of academic musical = organization SEAMUS=20 (Society for Electro-Acoustic Music in the US).

I was even = president of=20 the L.A. chapter for a year or so.
Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay = too many=20 "bleep and blonk" concerts over the years to be much impressed by = anything=20 less than pretty extraordinary.
I love your playing and I really = like the=20 direction your music has taken.
You've enfolded the thing that you = already=20 do with the guitar into the MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I=20 think.

Keep it up.

I've yet to get there.

tEd =AE = KiLLiAn

<www.tedkillian.com>

Different=20 is not always better, but better is always different" =

Flux Aeterna:=20 =
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListI= d=3D6378076=20

Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music = Festival)=20 CDs at:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 =
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profi= le&id=3D1211970
00042=20

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple = iTunes,=20
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, =
RuleRadio,=20 EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, = yadda,=20 yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 ------=_NextPart_000_063A_01C7F18C.823BEFB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 05:16:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BD93BF34; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:16:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: loopbozo@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:16:42 +0000 Message-Id: <090820070516.15874.46E2303A000014A100003E0222070032010196010D9F010104@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bG9vcGJvem9AY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15874_1189228602_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74282 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:16:43 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15874_1189228602_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr. Fox is correct in his estimation of the signal path for this process to work properly and a simple review of the system illustrated on Discreet Music by Brian Eno should suffice to settle the argument. Whether the signal is routed thru a board or another tempering return device the loop aspect only exists in the circular control of the signal's controlled feedback via the established circuit. Never used 2 Revoxes but rather an Otari 50-50 and a Tandberg Cross Field Half -Track, with the proverbial microphone stand capstan as it were with a Roland Re-201 Space Echo as the return signal point from the completed stereo level from the Tandberg (deck 2). The decay of the tape looped sound image is far more delicate than digital could ever allow for, smooth not jagged, plus you could always manipulate the tape with your fingers to find new effects while making your decks work harder than originally intended. If you put an original tape Echoplex in the signal chain you can tweak it even more. Tales from Analogland. bryan helm Music and Mosaics bryanhelm.wordpress.com -------------- Original message -------------- From: Bill Fox > Per Boysen wrote: > > You will have to tape together a long tape loop and also > > cover/deactivate the erasing head on one of the machines. > That's different from my understanding of how to use a two deck setup. > I always thought that the left hand machine recorded the tape and the > machine on the right did the playback. The playback signal is sent to > the PA (or monitor, or whatever) and also fed back to the first > machine's input (via a mixer, if necessary). > > Cheers, > > Bill > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15874_1189228602_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Mr. Fox is correct in his estimation of the signal path for this process to work properly and a simple review of the system illustrated on Discreet Music by Brian Eno should suffice to settle the argument. Whether the signal is routed thru a board or another tempering return device the loop aspect only exists in the circular control of the signal's controlled feedback via the established circuit.
Never used 2 Revoxes but rather an Otari 50-50 and a Tandberg Cross Field Half -Track, with the proverbial microphone stand capstan as it were with a Roland Re-201 Space Echo as the return signal point from the completed stereo level  from the Tandberg (deck 2). The decay of the tape looped sound image is far more delicate than digital could ever allow for, smooth not jagged, plus you could always manipulate the tape with your fingers to find new effects while making your decks work harder than originally intended. If you put an original tape Echoplex in the signal chain you can tweak it even more. Tales from Analogland.
 
                                                                    bryan helm
 
Music and Mosaics
bryanhelm.wordpress.com
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Bill Fox <billyfox@soundscapes.us>

> Per Boysen wrote:
> > You will have to tape together a long tape loop and also
> > cover/deactivate the erasing head on one of the machines.
> That's different from my understanding of how to use a two deck setup.
> I always thought that the left hand machine recorded the tape and the
> machine on the right did the playback. The playback signal is sent to
> the PA (or monitor, or whatever) and also fed back to the first
> machine's input (via a mixer, if necessary).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_15874_1189228602_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:22:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99CFC3BF16; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:22:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 04:17:10 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46E25A86.70706@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: <-8d6_B.A.2aC.rul4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74283 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:22:04 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 8 at 6:00 am (EDT / GMT-4), a little less than two hours fom now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will start issue 15 out of 16 so this special is drawing to a close soon. What next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:32:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A1E63BF1C; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=O9QiN9PUqAXR38aOI12uqtzKOJh3V+jNr80K1dUudakst1bPX5DzzTsEHy0yBgYiS8TAESNxPII0WQfLJM/LQ8rWiiJylTxSkn6nW3DPNFCdL/4LAICjy1s3Vu/+OyHkepDTWZlITdUaDCFnIJhJ696io5jPuScSOQBBu/4Gc0w=; X-YMail-OSG: Xgqe.YgVM1lMNKoJbpiXhrPeaVBmOKalDxEix35x9i5sR0h1mx8q1beWCoGQxlmIJ7xbvm1dYywj50QFPu.R6yMukKB9B_esqw6A36xnjU9mispHtDoZzJ3H5qTAkg-- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:32:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: looking for telecaster string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11E2869D-F729-4F08-9CC2-697985D6C56D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <297810.90532.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74284 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:32:08 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You can´t imagine how hard it was to get one of the strings out because of this little missing ferrule but even more amazing is how hard they are to find! I was in SD CA. recently and went to about 4 different music stores and none of them had them! Is there an alternative? i am not sure i want to restring the Guitar again without this missing beast because more likely the end ball of the string will get stucked in the wood of the guitar again! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 sep 2007, at 15.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > I having a hard time trying to find the little > > telecaster string ferrules that are in the back > for my > > Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where > i > > could find them and what they are called in > German? > > they look like this: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1962-62-Fender-Tele-Telecaster-String- > > > > Ferrules_W0QQitemZ270162166723QQihZ017QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWD > > > VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Sorry, I don't know the name of them in german, but > some one else > must know it. I feel your pain, Luis, because I have > lost those small > things many times, when changing strings on a tele. > Once I glued them > to the wood on one Telecaster and then they stayed > on duty. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:32:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F59F3BF34; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TerKO0rLJKPpi/J26piz74YOvAJV30TXkX1YfWIwU4VeEephEuy8wvHYKvLPbbQ+o3lQHRtN+bSEyjG0IHnDLaNfV5XL8In3kDihr38nIZEPNDLFm+FSsdaFoUPE0/RmYvv0j5xk6gcKerouV/U96kLaPF18T0sJKSjPPhbQyM8=; X-YMail-OSG: cM.fuA0VM1kFY9LVzJUzmsfu6eFOR79E7CZt_CwqPTModAc58cYWTFQNdX2aNKHtkylWartsIixn.gnd9.PAt9wgBbkdgWjUCQo3Qe8.GhlDhvqbpqtNXIwM7NJ2gg-- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:32:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: looking for telecaster string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <11E2869D-F729-4F08-9CC2-697985D6C56D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <122833.14691.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <7eCvHD.A.IGD.S4l4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74285 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:32:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, You can´t imagine how hard it was to get one of the strings out because of this little missing ferrule but even more amazing is how hard they are to find! I was in SD CA. recently and went to about 4 different music stores and none of them had them! Is there an alternative? i am not sure i want to restring the Guitar again without this missing beast because more likely the end ball of the string will get stucked in the wood of the guitar again! cheers Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 7 sep 2007, at 15.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > I having a hard time trying to find the little > > telecaster string ferrules that are in the back > for my > > Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where > i > > could find them and what they are called in > German? > > they look like this: > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1962-62-Fender-Tele-Telecaster-String- > > > > Ferrules_W0QQitemZ270162166723QQihZ017QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWD > > > VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Sorry, I don't know the name of them in german, but > some one else > must know it. I feel your pain, Luis, because I have > lost those small > things many times, when changing strings on a tele. > Once I glued them > to the wood on one Telecaster and then they stayed > on duty. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:41:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7ADF3BF27; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=j34NkATm+/0Veq7qvBaNoBxHaSDGD7QK6XkjRctT4tK/0zvRqmajW0x/iQ5NdGWEZaLvlpkHL0/eU8nnP7TF/n+fHX0lGqx+c9yPACMjq+kMTJW7OLzjasfIRwSUET8vaakRXeaoT8zFt2qNBiGeT0zLpAwBGhSFXe9pJCuAzaw=; X-YMail-OSG: 1rmJV4sVM1kcXHHm7vBmm9dwtA7wZF7Dl1YCBrnhPe3QXIalqDuIGpbiEZR0rp410hBJRbsv7CUPCbXg_k.9C6d1sDa3GOX4JZzmZZFJyT9Ji4b9ndxOG_1EDRYTSw-- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:41:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00be01c7f15f$9777b3a0$0202a8c0@macbookxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <194371.41032.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74286 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Man i apreciate it! Luis --- Warren Sirota wrote: > Thanks, Jim. I'm not planning an immediate release, > but I believe this will > be useful for me as well. > Warren > > > _____ > > From: Jim Goodin [mailto:jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:27 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation (Kunaki) > > > Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files > on LD so you and Paul > and anyone else who wants can pull down. The way > Kunaki works is a > traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 > panel back insert (no > booklet option that I can tell), a tray back > inclusive of spines, and the CD > label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so > there will be 4 PSD files > for you guys to retreive. Look for it this weekend > possibly later this > afternoon but more than likely tomorrow. > > Best > > Jim > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 08:43:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 025633BF1F; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=U334olkELULXjd8w0ApjpgZjXoOXnMMOkNyWjblewoyqG+nrY+yNPYrZ9YFDm9OhTD1vWojQagJW/K8olt+YXQRcOCZnUg7PO3fnbIF7tuaIUxK/5mCzuuX1lGOT4lxXUVn6ZV+rvL+BHJyr2y6g/BQo71u9d+jYklsTIyJB/OQ=; X-YMail-OSG: 19XNp5MVM1nNveWDYOLiPWqFHoUZhkasI1xz_1p0N__MasVtc7cKpFoVO.5tPvsVHItAWhPfOr6VKsnfoNqhbJaP0c6s4uQbg7cBcpCOEnZwBzPP.xI- Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 01:43:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: CD duplication recomendation To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <049d01c7f159$7b07f190$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <481580.39156.qm@web38604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74287 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 08:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Thanx Kris! Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > When i try to download their software my antivirus > > program jumps up,is something wrong? > > Luis > > I have heard of this happenin. I think it only > happens with some anti virus > programs. I'll send it to you. It is a small file. > > Kris > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From customercare@bankofamerica.com Sat Sep 8 11:19:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 399 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:19:03 UTC Received: from server9.one-dom9.com (server9.one-dom9.com [69.20.58.137]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53DC43BEB5 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 30270 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2007 04:12:23 -0700 Received: from host-69-146-238-94.static.bresnan.net (HELO User) (69.146.238.94) by server9.one-dom9.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2007 04:12:23 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Bank of America" To: looniest2n@aol.com, looparc@arsenic.violacea.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopcity@email.msn.com, loopda@aol.com, loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz, looper@n2.net, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Notification from Customer Service Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 05:17:39 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <20070908111903.53DC43BEB5@arsenic.violacea.com>

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Bank of America Online Banking Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:14:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4FD263BF1D; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: looking for telecaster string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:14:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7f211$d4277530$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Acfx8sTU4/QZI5joTtelSuhzcYbV6gAHsJcA In-Reply-To: <122833.14691.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINMZMcrWhg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74288 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:14:17 +0000 (UTC) > You can=B4t imagine how hard it was to get one of the strings=20 > out because of this little missing ferrule but even more=20 > amazing is how hard they are to find! I was in SD CA.=20 > recently and went to about 4 different music stores and none=20 > of them had them! Why don't you go into a big hardware store looking for "Muffen" or "Endh=FClsen" or "Ringbeschl=E4ge" and take along one of the ones you = have for comparison's sake? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 12:17:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 620BA3BF1D; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:17:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:17:59 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000101c7f212$4b7b3f90$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcfxtgE1Sma7OBqdTuyBXmG/K8UVzwAW/XIA In-Reply-To: <89c582d1834e89f7602383224ec9f58c@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINMZMcrWhg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74289 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:17:36 +0000 (UTC) That commenter was me, and I said that in jest, simply because Krispen had taken guitar sound to a place where you won't actually recognize a guitar (or any stringed instrument) if he does not want you to. In the track in question, the first few minutes don't sound what most people would regard as a "guitar sound"... And yes, I liked the piece a lot. > I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad some of the guitar was recognizable" (as > guitar, I guess). > You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . . . what's their problem? From alert@bankofamerica.com Sat Sep 8 12:48:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 424 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:48:16 UTC Received: from administrador.tallercuatro.com (mail.tallercuatro.com [209.45.104.194]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B1B3BF08 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 12:48:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([87.106.140.82]) by administrador.tallercuatro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:37:42 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Bank of America" Subject: Irregular Check Card Activity Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:41:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2007 12:37:42.0437 (UTC) FILETIME=[0CAEDD50:01C7F215] To: undisclosed-recipients:;

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From customercare@bankofamerica.com Sat Sep 8 14:07:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1787 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:07:54 UTC Received: from mail1.pixeled.net (mail1.pixeled.net [69.43.173.152]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 812803BEF7 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:07:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User [127.0.0.1] by mail.pixeled.net with ESMTP (SMTPD-9.10) id A59E0354; Sat, 08 Sep 2007 06:37:34 -0700 Received: from 69.146.238.94 ([69.146.238.94] helo=User) by ASSP-nospam; 8 Sep 2007 06:37:34 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Bank of America" To: looniest2n@aol.com, looparc@arsenic.violacea.com, looparc@loopers-delight.com, loopcity@email.msn.com, loopda@aol.com, loopdelightml@xmlizer.biz, looper@n2.net, loopers-delight@annihilist.com, loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com, loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Notification from Customer Service Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 07:42:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-Id: <200709080637119.SM02984@User> X-Declude-Sender: customercare@bankofamerica.com [127.0.0.1] X-Spam-Tests-Failed: Whitelisted [0]

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Bank of America Online Banking Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:25:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84BDB3BF22; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:25:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: looking for telecaster string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) In-Reply-To: <297810.90532.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <11E2869D-F729-4F08-9CC2-697985D6C56D@gmail.com> <297810.90532.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070908142530.44CE614D1A@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74290 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) This isn't Germany, but I know that you could order a few extras from StewMac http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Hardware,_parts/Electric_guitar:_Ferrules/Guitar_String_Ferrules.html I've bought parts from them before and they ship very fast. Paul Haslem www.dulcify.ca Ontario, Canada From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:40:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FA513BF29; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:40:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E2B45F.8050400@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:40:31 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: looking for telecaster string ferrules References: <11E2869D-F729-4F08-9CC2-697985D6C56D@gmail.com> <297810.90532.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20070908142530.44CE614D1A@ns4.tnt21.com> In-Reply-To: <20070908142530.44CE614D1A@ns4.tnt21.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74291 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:40:18 +0000 (UTC) I've had Teles for a few years, but the first time this was a problem was last month. I pulled a string out and the little sucker dissapeared. I was about to order more when I found it a few days later. It's wasn't behind the amps, but under the bed. I'm glad I found it. I noticed that if I clip the part of the string wrapped around the string post before I pull the string out, it doesn't pull the ferrule out. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 14:57:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC1903BF17; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E2B880.1060502@biink.com> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:58:08 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: bows for guitars References: <3BC3ED5C-D4AA-4F4E-85A0-E2EAC4F58E2E@infinivert.com> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134077@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204134077@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74292 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:57:54 +0000 (UTC) Any thoughts on how much rosin to use? A lot? A little? -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 15:28:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E4AC3BF42; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 610482896-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.145.56 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAKtc4kZPQpE4/2dsb2JhbACCK6FT Message-ID: <46E2BFAB.2070301@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 16:28:43 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204F8BCB5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74293 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:28:07 +0000 (UTC) > > the important stuff isn't really mentioned in these eno-instructions, like > how to disable the unused reel motors.... let 'em spin(???) > how to synchronise the two capstan motors, or disable one of them, so > the tape doesn't go slack or break..... if the tape goes slack, swap the machines (usually the capstan motors are locked to the mains frequency) > how to wire up the remote so that one deck starts in play at the same > time as the other starts in record..... fast fingerwork, start rec machine first, so playback machine can take up the slack. On "God Save the Queen" Fripp used one channel as the long delay, then sent it to the other channel which had the Rec>>Playback type echo added. andy butler ( yes I've done this ) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:10:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4AC53BF34; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:05:14 -0400 From: "Emile Tobenfeld (a.k.a Dr. T)" Subject: Video Performance TONIGHT Great Scott To: DrTVideo@egroups.com Cc: eyecandy@egroups.com, boss-improv@topica.com, iotacenter@egroups.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, atari-midi@yahoogroups.com, FRAMEWORKS@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74294 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:10:51 +0000 (UTC) Hi folks, Hers is a last minute announcement. I'll be doing improvised video with two psychedelic rock bands tonight at Great Scott in Allston MA (Intersection of Harvard and Comm Ave),, My sets will start around 10:30. At 7:23 AM -0700 9/6/07, jinsen wrote: >Saturday night at Great Scott! Featuring 28 degrees taurus with our >friends in Quiet Loudly (ex-pinochio syndrome), Okay Thursday and >Bridget and the Squares. > >Our friend Dr. T just signed on to do psychedelic video projections >for quiet loudly's set and our set. He's going to take it to the >next level and send your senses spiraling. Its going to be awesome! > >Should be an amazing night where beautifully crafted pop meets the >crazier noisier side of psychedelia. We're the best party in town >not to mention the most fun company! So come hang out and catch up >with us. Party soon, > >Karina, Jinsen & Kyle > >Saturday, September 8th >Great Scott >Allston, MA >$8, 21+ >9pm doors -- " Practice makes perfect, imperfect is better." -- Paul Bley Emile Tobenfeld, Ph. D. Video Producer Image Processing Specialist Video for your HEAD! Boris FX http://www.foryourhead.com http://www.borisfx.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:28:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DE813BF40; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 14:28:21 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: looking for telecaster string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46E2E9C5.1090006@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74295 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:28:52 +0000 (UTC) Stewart-MacDonald has what should be a replacement for these, and they will ship internationally. http://www.stewmac.com/cgi-bin/hazel.cgi?action=TelePARTS&TAB=4&gclid=CMCLsai9tI4CFSgRGgodu3-pww Dan Ash White Plains, NY > On 7 sep 2007, at 15.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > >> > > I having a hard time trying to find the little >> > > telecaster string ferrules that are in the back >> > > for my > >> > > Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where >> > > i > >> > > could find them and what they are called in >> > > German? > >> > > they look like this: >> > > >> > > >> > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-1962-62-Fender-Tele-Telecaster-String- > >> > >> >>> > > >>> >> > >> > Ferrules_W0QQitemZ270162166723QQihZ017QQcategoryZ118988QQssPageNameZWD > >> > >> >>> > > VWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 18:49:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A45F13BF1F; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-516765190 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: HARMONIA! From: Rev Fever Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 11:49:22 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74296 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:49:36 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-516765190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed ( Stumbled across this accidently on wiki. Slightly OT since Roedelius and Moebius were VERY early loopers. ) This should be some GOOD news for at least a few members on this list who love early Krautrock. I know that I was THRILLED to hear about this! But ARG! I won't be able to GO THERE! Torture! Oh well, hopefully someone on the list will be able to experience this and give a report back on how it was? (or links to some images and sound?) 'Moebius and Roedelius have also reunited with Michael Rother and the first Harmonia concert in more than 30 years is scheduled for Berlin on November, 27, 2007' There will also be a Harmonia live 1974 album coming out on Oct.22, 2007 on Gronland Records. Spread Thee Word...! -Rev. Fever PS-I also heard that Cluster (Moebius & Roedelius) were touring Europe not too long ago. --Apple-Mail-1-516765190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

( Stumbled across this = accidently on wiki. Slightly OT since Roedelius and Moebius were VERY = early loopers. )

This should be some GOOD = news for at least a few members on this list who love early Krautrock.=A0 = I know that I was THRILLED to hear about this!

But ARG!=A0 I won't be able = to GO THERE!=A0 Torture!=A0=A0
Oh well, hopefully someone on = the list will be able to experience this=A0and give a report back on how = it was? (or links to some images and sound?)

'Moebius and Roedelius have also reunited = with Michael Rother and the first Harmonia concert in more than 30 years = is scheduled for Berlin on November, 27, = 2007'

There will also be a Harmonia live 1974 = album coming out on Oct.22, 2007 on Gronland Records.=A0=A0Spread = Thee Word...!=A0=A0

-Rev. Fever

PS-I also heard that Cluster (Moebius & = Roedelius) were touring Europe not too long = ago.=A0

= --Apple-Mail-1-516765190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 20:26:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7A84B3BF46; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <072801c7f256$760189b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Jazz tone...transition to fusion tone and amp sim Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 14:25:55 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <6lRsO.A.n0H.WVw4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74297 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Okay, enough of the jazz tone for a while. One good test of an amp sim, in my opinion, is how it sounds with distortion and high gain. Most all VST amp sims I've used are very harsh and unnatural sounding. So, I have created another test sound clip, again, plugging my mini guitar directly into my laptop's standard sound card, into max/msp, and with the Boogex VST amp sim with some delay and reverb. This is a little fusion feel clip (ala guys like Terje Rypdal, Gary Moore, Holdsworth and the like). Also included is some Native Instruments "Krypt" percussion and looping of a basic backdrop for featuring the tone of the amp sim on guitar. Check it out...comments welcome (not on the clips itself, as I was just messing around, but the tone of the guitar. Stream: http://www.box.net/shared/ionjjm3ngh Download: http://www.box.net/shared/static/ionjjm3ngh.mp3 Again, I ask the same question as before, based on my option that this tone "ain't half bad", that how this might sound with a really good interface like a Fireface 400, and perhaps even a standard sized guitar. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 21:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0013BF44; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <075201c7f25b$5bfad760$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <072801c7f256$760189b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Jazz tone...transition to fusion tone and amp sim Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 15:00:59 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74298 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 21:01:01 +0000 (UTC) BTW, please excuse the mix and EQ. It's all off, but I just wanted everyone to hear the amp sim. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 8 23:10:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C146F3BF44; Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=cTO1v79kw2QKpQkGriKN5nY+ZQOyW6JWcZBXcL2juww=; b=NWdYvXvD2cx0UwyKoSFRNeaL67Q/PwRZ6RQQGsub1cwyM4h6a5QJIzlHvhIOerZXH+UR/nFfH/GAGt6558L1KPT2TeTddwyHRfxeK2rt4IfYkG944GDaMO07HitWaSuU9eYnixHUVdCpp1uW0gJtRKnH24/qAv55d9pNnzEAtDw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ttIOTh0l3V07xwL0BjE507TyQfAV97rd3GZTD/2gzUkWXxrEhPugOz2LSmonhM+yrolBuD3G2T0omtAMmrgPDwFbkkYB/o4Iv6ncGRcRRN/sg8fnSlorQ2VA3hwP4KUXHUyXghKviIHYdR8Hon6nei81iRND4dRxDGQIncoUk+c= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:10:43 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater In-Reply-To: <89c582d1834e89f7602383224ec9f58c@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4382_11280554.1189293043566" References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <01ba01c7f181$f80c0140$4001a8c0@pcfabio> <057301c7f183$b1500650$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <89c582d1834e89f7602383224ec9f58c@charter.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6PonQ.A.gKH.2vy4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74299 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:10:46 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4382_11280554.1189293043566 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline listened to it this afternoon... > > I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) > than anything you've done so far. me too. I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad > some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess). > > You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . . > . what's their problem? > > You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no > mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks. > > Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too. > > But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be > another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO). > > The guitar humanizes it somewhat. for me works the contrary way. what's doing that jazz player here? And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of > academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic > Music in the US). > > I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so. > > Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over > the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty > extraordinary. i've not been member of such organizations and i've heard those arguments so many times to discredit serius electronic music... "bleep and blonk" ... also Tudor's were full of "bleep and blonk" and i love it. I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has > taken. > > You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the > MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think. > > Keep it up. > > I've yet to get there. > > tEd (r) KiLLiAn > > > > Different is not always better, but better is always different" > > Flux Aeterna: > http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum? > playListId=6378076 > > Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) > CDs at: > http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm > > http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html > http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian > http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html > http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina > http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 > http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 > http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 > http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi? > step=view_profile&id=1211970 > 00042 > > Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, > BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, > AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, > RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, > and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4382_11280554.1189293043566 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
listened to it this afternoon...

I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more)
than anything you've done so far.

me too.

I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad
some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess).

You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . .
. what's their problem?

You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no
mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks.

Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too.

But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be
another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO).

The guitar humanizes it somewhat.

for me works the contrary way.
what's doing that jazz player here?
 

And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of
academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic
Music in the US).

I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so.

Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over
the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty
extraordinary.

i've not been member of such organizations and i've heard those arguments
so many times to discredit serius electronic music... "bleep and blonk" ...
also Tudor's were full of "bleep and blonk" and i love it. 

I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has
taken.

You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the
MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think.

Keep it up.

I've yet to get there.

tEd ® KiLLiAn

<www.tedkillian.com>

Different is not always better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?
playListId=6378076

Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival)
CDs at:
http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?
step=view_profile&id=1211970
00042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???



--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 02:43:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7759C3BF17; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 02:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:39:42 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for September 8, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46E35CEE.6020805@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74300 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 02:43:01 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070908.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #116 September 8, 2007. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Frank Van Aquatopia E-dition #15 (Groove) Bogaert] VA [Andrew Forrest] Starseed E-dition #15 (Groove) VA [Eloy Fritsch] Andromeda E-dition #15 (Groove) Galactic Anthems The Ferris Adagio Semper Fidelity (none) Ricochet Gathering Mars Okefenokee 2002 (Ricochet Dream) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Robert Windpony Cherrywood Sky Blue (none) Tom Salvatori and Autumn Colours When Evening Falls (none) Iris Litchfield Tom Salvatori and Sleepy Eyes Lullaby When Evening Falls (none) Iris Litchfield Matthew Labarge Evening Descends In Small Hours (none) Matthew Labarge Solace I In Small Hours (none) Carolyn Southworth At the End of the At the End of the Day (none) Day Jeff Oster Saturn Calling True (Retso) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Retroheads One World Introspective (Unicorn) Daryl Struermer Determined Rewired (Unicorn Digital) Daryl Struermer Breaking Point Go (InsideOut) Saga Time's Up Worlds Apart Revisited (InsideOut) Saga The Interview W.A.R. (InsideOut) Saga No Regrets W.A.R. (InsideOut) Saga The Runaway W.A.R. (InsideOut) Saga Ice Nice W.A.R. (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on September 22. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EST (GMT-5:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. 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To join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/progdj and click on the [Join This Group!] link. ====================================================================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 03:24:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 06D2E3BF27; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 03:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709090324.l893O3w6010828@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> From: "list2" To: Subject: New Boomerang Page at BMP Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:21:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7F26E.FCD6FA20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfykFwhd6YLbrKZR3yJQ++gCJUoew== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74301 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 03:24:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7F26E.FCD6FA20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ A couple of new tidbits of info, the most welcome of which is the December '07 release date. hoby ---- hoby ebert MoonDogEast Studios mail *AT* moondogeast.org Download "Reach" at http://www.negativesoundinstitute.com/pseudophone.php ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7F26E.FCD6FA20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

http://www.boomerangmusic.com/

 

A couple of new tidbits of info, the most welcome of which is the December ’07 release date.

 

hoby

 

----

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------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7F26E.FCD6FA20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 10:16:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84C133BF1A; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:16:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 604418298-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.162.112 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAMNk40ZPQqJw/2dsb2JhbACCKASgNw Message-ID: <46E3C836.9080803@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:17:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT Jazz tone...transition to fusion tone and amp sim References: <072801c7f256$760189b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <072801c7f256$760189b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74302 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:16:47 +0000 (UTC) > > Stream: http://www.box.net/shared/ionjjm3ngh > Download: http://www.box.net/shared/static/ionjjm3ngh.mp3 > > > Again, I ask the same question as before, based on my option that this > tone "ain't half bad", that how this might sound with a really good > interface like a Fireface 400, and perhaps even a standard sized guitar. > > Kris > 1) a lot of what is "tone" comes from the player. In that respect it's pretty good :-) 2) Isn't that sound "medium gain" rather than high gain, although I guess it's gain enough for the test? ( oh, and it's Jazz, not HM :-) 3) it's a nice sound, perhaps a bit fatiguing after a while. 4) to me, it lacked presence, which was more obvious after the "drums" came in. Perhaps that's just eq you used afterwards. It's those "air" frequencies which are hard to get right with digital. 5) Sounds "like an amp" when it first comes in. I've done some work on programming for distortions, so perhaps I should share some my findings:- 1) Digital distortion tends to create a lot of unwanted frequencies (aliasing). This can be fixed by doing something called "oversampling". Unfortunately oversampling usually uses up a lot of processor power, and tends to introduce latency. The extra latency is only (typically) 1-2mS, but of course that adds on to the latency you're dealing with already. 2) A good way to test a digi-distortion with guitar is to play a high note ( top E at 12fret)and bend it. With the gain up high it's then easy to hear the aliasing. 3) As Kris mentions, higher gain settings show up the limitations more, as does a more trebly eq placed before the distortion. andy butler ..now, wouldn't this be a good thread for the LDOT :-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 11:44:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117823BF20; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:44:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=HSWZOzwwAAAA:8 a=paUis6ZMAAAA:8 a=8h2tVM2zAAAA:8 a=QkBOcdZa3L3IHL3EbKYA:9 a=fjTFtDJCkS47daH3n0_edtNCWpwA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp09.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp09.embarq.synacor.com: 71.52.216.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <000901c7f2d6$c9cd0c10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <000e01c7d3bf$fca03300$757ba8c0@planetmoon.local> <044801c7d419$9f71ba50$6601a8c0@embryo> Subject: Re: Good light headphones Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:44:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74303 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:44:37 +0000 (UTC) I am now trying to do all my loopage through headphones. In ear vs sealed? I don't want to break the bank but I don't want crap either. These look good pricewise http://www.thebroadcastshop.com/sales/detail.asp?partno=SEN-HD25SP&aid=froogle Or these SEN-CX300B for 80.00$ http://www.thebroadcastshop.com/sales/detail.asp?partno=SEN%2DCX300B tia, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randolf Arriola" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:54 AM Subject: Re: Good light headphones > Per, I highly recommend the Sennheiser HD25 SP. :) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Per Boysen" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 4:42 PM > Subject: Re: Good light headphones >> >> I recently bought Sennheiser in-ear plugs and to my taste they are >> better than both my AKG K240 (the studio standard) and my Beyerdynamic >> DT 770 (top standard). As an extra bonus I can use them with my iPod >> every day to fight traffic noise with Mozart. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 12:05:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78B573BF1C; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=c9GuSNxFw97yRp7nF+R12g5q1pMNUkVQVBD2EB4UTcszmU4Z3RtmnddhXTcuSb3t0X7IEALYS3PUV+5/bpK+pFAvXzijsD2tflD2+Fs/utsxEcd8StULG+KUGDD+uUS8++EmnOfZV+ZWRcT2KXuUPMXbFYADXxB4j0AjbMSkV9k=; X-YMail-OSG: 5vR1lvEVM1lL98EgSEy7j7dIrGXfYxnysNRAbtNNe7ksl2sfhzYt3Nl8nPkmyDKZiBarEHlIPeSJiGFKdAVekqwLvjhvRWMbX6oow8eLv6AppfVtbTjdhlW.YeOcUQ-- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 05:05:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: Re: Good light headphones To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000901c7f2d6$c9cd0c10$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2045668318-1189339509=:19854" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <324923.19854.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <98oio.A.dMG.2F-4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74304 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 12:05:10 +0000 (UTC) --0-2045668318-1189339509=:19854 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just bought a pair of Grado SR60s. After listening to various 'phones from several brands (inc Sennheisers), these sounded superior. I paid £65, but I understand that US prices on these are lower. The only issue is that they are open backed, so you do get a fair bit of sound leakage either way. Stephen Jeff Duke wrote: I am now trying to do all my loopage through headphones. In ear vs sealed? I don't want to break the bank but I don't want crap either. --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-2045668318-1189339509=:19854 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just bought a pair of Grado SR60s.  After listening to various 'phones from several brands (inc Sennheisers), these sounded superior.  I paid £65, but I understand that US prices on these are lower.  The only issue is that they are open backed, so you do get a fair bit of sound leakage either way.

Stephen

Jeff Duke <echohead@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I am now trying to do all my loopage through headphones. In ear vs sealed? I
don't want to break the bank but I don't want crap either.

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-2045668318-1189339509=:19854-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 13:44:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAAD53BF1A; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F2E7.7B58C6B2" Subject: RE: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823980830@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Thread-Index: Acfy5hUYMG7PrSGcQE6V6wQ64Z/LWA== References: <063e01c7f1be$cda7b970$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Dean, Hal " To: "Krispen Hartung" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2007 13:44:14.0555 (UTC) FILETIME=[82957AB0:01C7F2E7] Resent-Message-ID: <6ZrZLC.A.EBB.ii_4GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74305 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 13:44:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F2E7.7B58C6B2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kris, I want to chime in here and say that I listened to the whole show = on a drive home Friday through the countryside, and it was a fabulous = listening experience. The sound world you've developed is a rich and = enveloping one, but what is for me more impressive is the structure, = however flickering it may be, and depite a few turns down some alleys. = Understanding how to use the myriad looping technoques available to = create themes on the fly, transmute them, and then bring their mangled = offspring back for breeding with new ideas is something to which many if = not all of us aspire. I for one loved hearing the really gorgeous guitar = playing that closes the piece. You are not afraid to be lyrical, and it = is great to hear more of that than we have for quite some time. =20 World class stuff. ________________________________ From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Fri 9/7/2007 10:20 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State = University Amphitheater Thanks, Ted. This is one of the nicest commentaries of my work, and you = are spot on, which isn't surprising given how many influences we have in = common. It's almost uncanny. Terje Rypdal? yeah. I really appreciate = when someon can hear my "voice" or musical genetic code stand in relief = admist my work, regardless of how many effects I'm using, whether = hardware or laptop/software. That's the sort of thing I have been = striving for over 28 years as a guitarist and composer. =20 I had no idea you were a member of SEAMUS. You must tell me more when we = meet again, as I have become more interested in electro-acoustic music = lately, for obvious reasons. :) =20 Kris =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 Kris, =09 I downloaded your MP3 at work this morning and listened to it 2 or 3 = times through. I've downloaded it here at home too and I'm listening to it again here = right now. I rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) = than anything you've done so far. I don't get the one LD commenter who posted something about "too bad = some of the guitar was recognizable" (as guitar, I guess). You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a damn good one too . . = . what's their problem? You have a tone and a way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no = mater how it might be otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks Now, I have to say I do like those bleeps and blonks too. But, if you were to entirely lose the guitar part it would just be = another one of many electronic music "experiments" (IMOHO). The guitar humanizes it somewhat. =09 And, to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of = academic musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic Music = in the US). =09 I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or so. Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts over = the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty = extraordinary. I love your playing and I really like the direction your music has = taken. You've enfolded the thing that you already do with the guitar into the = MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I think. =09 Keep it up. =09 I've yet to get there. =09 tEd =AE KiLLiAn =09 =09 Different is not always better, but better is always different"=20 =09 Flux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 6378076=20 =09 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) = CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =09 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D1211970 00042=20 =09 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F2E7.7B58C6B2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
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Kris, I want = to chime in here and say that I listened to the whole show on a drive = home Friday through the countryside, and it was a fabulous listening = experience. The sound world you've developed is a rich and enveloping = one, but what is for me more impressive is the structure, however = flickering it may be, and depite a few turns down some = alleys. Understanding how to use the myriad looping technoques = available to create themes on the fly, transmute them, and then bring = their mangled offspring back for breeding with new ideas is = something to which many if not all of us aspire. I for one loved = hearing the really gorgeous guitar playing that closes the piece. You = are not afraid to be lyrical, and it is great to hear more of that than = we have for quite some time.
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World class = stuff.
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=0A= From: Krispen Hartung = [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Fri 9/7/2007 10:20 = PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: = Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State = University Amphitheater

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Thanks, Ted. This is one of the nicest = commentaries of my work, and you are spot on, which isn't surprising = given how many influences we have in common. It's almost uncanny. Terje = Rypdal? yeah. I really appreciate when someon can hear my "voice" or = musical genetic code stand in relief admist my work, regardless of how = many effects I'm using, whether hardware or laptop/software.  = That's the sort of thing I have been striving for over 28 years as a = guitarist and composer.
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I had no idea you were a member of = SEAMUS. You must tell me more when we meet again, as I have become more = interested in electro-acoustic music lately, for obvious reasons. = :)
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Kris
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Kris,

I downloaded your MP3 at work this = morning and listened to it 2 or 3 times through.
I've downloaded it = here at home too and I'm listening to it again here right now.
I = rather have enjoyed it every bit as much (maybe even a little more) than = anything you've done so far.
I don't get the one LD commenter who = posted something about "too bad some of the guitar was recognizable" (as = guitar, I guess).
You're a guitar player fer chrissakes . . . and a = damn good one too . . . what's their problem?
You have a tone and a = way of phrasing that I instantly recognize -- no mater how it might be = otherwise disguised by bleeps and blonks
Now, I have to say I do like = those bleeps and blonks too.
But, if you were to entirely lose the = guitar part it would just be another one of many electronic music = "experiments" (IMOHO).
The guitar humanizes it somewhat.

And, = to be honest, in the late '80s and early 90s I was a member of academic = musical organization SEAMUS (Society for Electro-Acoustic Music in the = US).

I was even president of the L.A. chapter for a year or = so.
Anyhoo, I nave heard waaaaaay too many "bleep and blonk" concerts = over the years to be much impressed by anything less than pretty = extraordinary.
I love your playing and I really like the direction = your music has taken.
You've enfolded the thing that you already do = with the guitar into the MAX/MSP and looping thing quite well I = think.

Keep it up.

I've yet to get there.

tEd =AE = KiLLiAn

<www.tedkillian.com>

Different is not always = better, but better is always different"

Flux Aeterna: =
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListI= d=3D6378076

Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise = Experimental Music Festival) CDs at: =
http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm =

http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html =
http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian =
http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html =
http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina =
http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 =
http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 =
http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 =
http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profi= le&id=3D1211970
00042

Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is = also available at: Apple iTunes,
BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, = MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,
AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, = Music4Cents, Etherstream,
RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, = CatchMusic, Puretracks,
and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, = blah. So???
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F2E7.7B58C6B2-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:01:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D57023BF29; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 09:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: New Boomerang Page at BMP In-Reply-To: <200709090324.l893O3w6010828@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: References: <200709090324.l893O3w6010828@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74306 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:01:25 +0000 (UTC) On Sat, 8 Sep 2007, list2 wrote: > http://www.boomerangmusic.com/ > > A couple of new tidbits of info, the most welcome of which is the December > '07 release date. Nice, thanks for the updated information on the Boomerang III. I'm interested in the E-155 Chorus/Delay pedal which the front page states "has been released!" http://www.boomerangmusic.com/E-155.html Anyone tried out one of these? Looks interesting to me. regards, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:26:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B5ACB3BF27; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07d701c7f2ed$6e497fb0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <072801c7f256$760189b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46E3C836.9080803@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: OT Jazz tone...transition to fusion tone and amp sim Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:26:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74307 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Andy. Yes, the presense of the guitar and mix with everything else wasn't at all what I wanted, but I didn't have time to re-do it. Later, I went through my max system and discovered some major gain staging problems, which fixed part of the problem. I think by itself, the guitar just solo for 30 seconds or so would have been fine to illustrate the VST amp sim. I'll try your test below, with the 12th fret, on this VST. Kris > 1) a lot of what is "tone" comes from the player. In that respect it's > pretty good :-) > 2) Isn't that sound "medium gain" rather than high gain, although I guess > it's gain > enough for the test? ( oh, and it's Jazz, not HM :-) > 3) it's a nice sound, perhaps a bit fatiguing after a while. 4) to me, it > lacked presence, which was more obvious after the "drums" came in. Perhaps > that's just eq you used afterwards. It's those "air" frequencies which are > hard to get right with digital. > 5) Sounds "like an amp" when it first comes in. > > I've done some work on programming for distortions, so perhaps I should > share some my findings:- > 1) Digital distortion tends to create a lot of unwanted frequencies > (aliasing). This can be fixed by doing something called "oversampling". > Unfortunately oversampling usually uses up a lot of processor power, and > tends to introduce latency. The extra latency is only (typically) 1-2mS, > but of course that adds on to the latency you're dealing with already. > 2) A good way to test a digi-distortion with guitar is to play a high note > ( top E at 12fret)and bend it. With the gain up high it's then easy to > hear the aliasing. > 3) As Kris mentions, higher gain settings show up the limitations more, as > does a more trebly eq placed before the distortion. > > andy butler > ..now, wouldn't this be a good thread for the LDOT :-) > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:33:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE7473BEDC; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=5onOINOFfuVezzs/xSaIoRmegLC/msaEWeaOmMehimA=; b=tR/tX5AI8dEXfxDTayoMGUWtQDlL5qgzAUjdyVKdlfSyciG9RyvPqsibPXoUF3OVbvpZ9sXhv5vbgCPcTWWkPTl+Pujc9q34RW1q9RM5SuyBxKZNXi4KI4PO3Y4CNP7+AFyaYmcnDu6kwTx7itNcbqI4AendnwJmyJhHWdqYlbQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hzek55tfpnfvEYOOM2oqLjBVGJzeNI/crA5HmEmbG+BQu8ZjQbiQ59YLPUiSviFzbABnicpBS08aldQKkMS0b7ORWDG1WJhgSjjA1AUPgYgVQKtw0waXId4NE2k1ZXZWLKKGWXDEQhj2zkOEs7r9t75kNSafISQCYfWyg3Xo8Xs= In-Reply-To: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <052301c7f172$d3feded0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <199ACDFA-A49F-4CE2-B96C-336D2D799BFF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State Universith Amphitheater Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 16:32:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74308 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:33:04 +0000 (UTC) On 7 sep 2007, at 19.16, Krispen Hartung wrote: > ...just posting my MP3 of a performance last night at Boise State > University. The university is hosting a new experimental music > series, one show a month with 5-6 performers at each show. They > will be held at different venues on the campus. Last night's > performance was at their amphitheater...very cool little Greek/ > Roman like setup, GIANT stereo PA, etc. > > http://www.box.net/shared/static/d1j13ccmry.mp3 > or stream at http://www.box.net/shared/d1j13ccmr Thanks for posting this highly interesting noise cavalcade! I enjoyed reading your effect playlist on the side while listening to the the live recording. Would have been great to be there to listen. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 14:41:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 250723BF29; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <07e801c7f2ef$8d90c890$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <063e01c7f1be$cda7b970$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823980830@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 08:41:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_07E3_01C7F2BD.3F693A30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74309 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 14:41:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_07E3_01C7F2BD.3F693A30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Dean. I have come to realize after many reviews and comments on = my CDs and live performances in the last few years that people are = drawn to the material that weaves together and integrates melody (that = lyrical part you mention) with polytonalism or atonalism - creating = tension and release and thus a more interesting emotional experiences = (this is exactly what modern jazz does). In this respect, my debut = looping CD "Places" continues to be my most popular work, in contrast to = my more recent CDs that are becoming more electronic, obscure, and less = musical (I use that in a light sense). That original CD continues to = pop out as being my most authentic work (based on comments), where I sat = down with a steel string acoustic, Boomerang, and Boss GT3 floor effects = unit, and just let the story unravel, playing totally by intuition and = feel. =20 When I released "Fragments", that was sort of an experiment on listener = response, as it combined elements of my old approach with elements of my = more recent approach. Not surprisingly, the songs of the old approach = receieved better reviews, such as "Nebula" which Fabio and others = pointed out. It's all very interesting. Even I, as a listener, tend to = not listen to the really atonal music, and prefer the gray area between = atonal and totoally diatonic. I would prefer to play the really extreme = atonal music, and not listen to it. Thanks all for all the insight into my own playing and direction. This = may compel me to pull out my Nylon string and do a whole CD just with = that, in the vein of "Places"..maybe "Places II"? :) Kris Kris, I want to chime in here and say that I listened to the whole = show on a drive home Friday through the countryside, and it was a = fabulous listening experience. The sound world you've developed is a = rich and enveloping one, but what is for me more impressive is the = structure, however flickering it may be, and depite a few turns down = some alleys. Understanding how to use the myriad looping technoques = available to create themes on the fly, transmute them, and then bring = their mangled offspring back for breeding with new ideas is something to = which many if not all of us aspire. I for one loved hearing the really = gorgeous guitar playing that closes the piece. You are not afraid to be = lyrical, and it is great to hear more of that than we have for quite = some time. World class stuff.. Blah, blah, blah. 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Thanks, Dean.  I have come to = realize after=20 many reviews and comments on my CDs and  live performances in = the last=20 few years that people are drawn to the material that weaves = together and=20 integrates melody (that lyrical part you mention) with polytonalism or = atonalism=20 - creating tension and release and thus a more interesting emotional = experiences=20 (this is exactly what modern jazz does). In this respect, my debut = looping CD=20 "Places" continues to be my most popular work, in contrast to my more = recent CDs=20 that are becoming more electronic, obscure, and less musical (I use that = in a=20 light sense).  That original CD continues to pop out as being my=20 most authentic work (based on comments), where I sat down with = a steel=20 string acoustic, Boomerang, and Boss GT3 floor effects unit, and just = let the=20 story unravel, playing totally by intuition and feel.  =
 
When I released "Fragments", that was = sort of an=20 experiment on listener response, as it combined elements of my old = approach with=20 elements of my more recent approach. Not surprisingly, the songs of the = old=20 approach receieved better reviews, such as "Nebula" which Fabio and = others=20 pointed out. It's all very interesting. Even I, as a listener, tend to = not=20 listen to the really atonal music, and prefer the gray area between = atonal and=20 totoally diatonic.  I would prefer to play the really extreme = atonal music,=20 and not listen to it.
 
Thanks all for all the insight = into my own=20 playing and direction.  This may compel me to pull out my Nylon = string and=20 do a whole CD just with that, in the vein of "Places"..maybe "Places = II"?=20 :)
 
Kris
 

Kris, I = want to chime in=20 here and say that I listened to the whole show on a drive home Friday = through=20 the countryside, and it was a fabulous listening experience. The sound = world=20 you've developed is a rich and enveloping one, but what is for me more = impressive is the structure, however flickering it may be, and depite = a few=20 turns down some alleys. Understanding how to use the myriad = looping=20 technoques available to create themes on the fly, transmute them, and = then=20 bring their mangled offspring back for breeding with new ideas is = something to which many if not all of us aspire. I for one loved = hearing=20 the really gorgeous guitar playing that closes the piece. You are not = afraid=20 to be lyrical, and it is great to hear more of that than we have for = quite=20 some time.
 
World class stuff.. = Blah, blah,=20 blah. So???
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 18:05:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 78CCC3BF42; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <063e01c7f1be$cda7b970$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <641CEFFC7E5B6C42AB59539653FD0823980830@wcu-ex-emp2.PASSHE.LCL> <07e801c7f2ef$8d90c890$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <07e801c7f2ef$8d90c890$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 11:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c7f30b$fb2bf3e0$f183dba0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7F2D1.4ECD1BE0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acfy8L2TFKQ3cBp3RNOd7nghbYpPswAGuXxw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D37ca05d30000b817.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <4_7wL.A.tv.XXD5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74310 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 18:05:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7F2D1.4ECD1BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kris, Great sounds, great guitar work, great annotation of your performance -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C7F2D1.4ECD1BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 9 21:32:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D32C3BF48; Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:32:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <082701c7f328$e16b1040$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 15:32:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_081F_01C7F2F6.93204270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74313 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:32:14 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_081F_01C7F2F6.93204270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That probably wasn't a clear statement. I meant that I enjoy playing = atonal music, but when I put my instrument down and I'm acting as a = listener, I don't typically enjoy listening to atonal music other than = as reference (to study, compare, etc). So, what I listen to and what I = play are often two different things. When I work at the office, I like = to listen to ambient music or new age, because it relaxes me or allows = me to focus on other things. When I listen to the music I like to = play, it excites the intellectual/analytical part of my brain too much = and is too taxing. But ambient music is easy for me to sit back and just = enjoy it for what it is because there are often no distractions of = virtuosity or overt chops standing out (any instrument). =20 I don't think this is that infrequent amongst artists. I've met many = other artists who had similar listening habits.=20 Kris I would prefer to play the really extreme atonal music, and not = listen to it. why? ------=_NextPart_000_081F_01C7F2F6.93204270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That probably wasn't a clear statement. = I meant=20 that I enjoy playing atonal music, but when I put my instrument = down=20 and I'm acting as a listener, I don't typically enjoy = listening=20 to atonal music other than as reference (to study, compare, etc). = So, what=20 I listen to and what I play are often two different things. When I = work at=20 the office, I like to listen to ambient music or new age, = because=20 it relaxes me or allows me to focus on other=20 things.   When I listen to = the music I=20 like to play, it excites the intellectual/analytical part of my brain = too much=20 and is too taxing. But ambient music is easy for me to sit back and just = enjoy=20 it for what it is because there are often no distractions of virtuosity = or overt=20 chops standing out (any instrument). 
 
I don't think this is that infrequent = amongst=20 artists. I've met many other artists who had similar listening habits.=20
 
Kris

I would prefer to play the really extreme = atonal music,=20 and not listen to it.


why?
 ------=_NextPart_000_081F_01C7F2F6.93204270-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 00:03:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 329823BF21; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:03:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cVdeyL9REVZyo/Vke5j0vuEJz6TD7IdtSua8f1ImM4ot8hJC5LJwVL78Tzt9jUf9n+xD199apXrFq1Aht+ssFYGLIxwb0nhNBaakt08VzGjhySAQaiSNypj3FDhZBCip/WaFLd2IniVoXJRIC4DfejEd++EF86W+ZJ9YwugEQVc=; X-YMail-OSG: oeDjCboVM1lz4aZYpWNj6QOVxlug.I33ruDTURPhHjsGaFDgyO0PqfAQ4ZOQppZVDyU78132PoyEOLjggNKIC7sMj9zjvD3hEKe942mahpa5vDEyrF4ChSjEOz_sZg-- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 17:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: ditch wrestler Subject: Re: looking to buy an rc-50 or rc-2 (spam) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46DF6FCB.6000503@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1476022791-1189382613=:37931" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <396481.37931.qm@web34315.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74314 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 00:03:35 +0000 (UTC) --0-1476022791-1189382613=:37931 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not sure if you've gotten enough offers and what I have is in the middle of what you asked for, but I have an RC-20 that I'd be willing to part with... ted. Joshua Rothhaas wrote: Anyone got a used one they want to part with? the Rc-50 is probably out of my price range, but if you want to chat you can see my direct email or aim: Themaminjaminist sorry for the spam "Indeed, naturally I think that a film should have a beginning, middle, and an end — but not necessarily in that order." Jean Luc Goddard --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! --0-1476022791-1189382613=:37931 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Not sure if you've gotten enough offers and what I have is in the middle of what you asked for, but I have an RC-20 that I'd be willing to part with...


ted.

Joshua Rothhaas <joshua.mr@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone got a used one they want to part with? the Rc-50 is probably out
of my price range, but if you want to chat you can see my direct email
or aim: Themaminjaminist

sorry for the spam




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Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! --0-1476022791-1189382613=:37931-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 09:50:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 088EF3BF1E; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007e01c7f38f$fd993e60$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <082701c7f328$e16b1040$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 11:50:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007B_01C7F3A0.BF774490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74315 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:50:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C7F3A0.BF774490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > don't think this is that infrequent amongst artists. I've met many = other artists who had similar listening habits.=20 I'm one of these. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ------=_NextPart_000_007B_01C7F3A0.BF774490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>  don't think this is that = infrequent=20 amongst artists. I've met many other artists who had similar listening = habits.=20
 
I'm one of = these.
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
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I've met > many other artists who had similar listening habits. > On 10 sep 2007, at 11.50, e t e r o g e n e o wrote: > I'm one of these. I'm typically not one of these. I can't say what I'm listening to in music, but it's not "chops", "sound" or "system". My listening experience is more of "tasting memory flashbacks", although I have not really done all the things that music makes me "remember". My performer experience is just the same as my listening experience. I like to listen to music that brings similar "memories" as the music I play, even though it may differ on the outer surface (style, instrumentation). 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 12:52:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 612513BF45; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-YMail-OSG: PNqDNQwVM1l709KPZL0TT3oWxF3kVeAmj2Jeqs50Sym5EKBKatuT6ztMFmnZ2R3.HMNXGsgg6Fgai7mXEijPzKy1Qqlgyw.ratR6rlZExs1tEFuiBntT8VENchR9cNMoJzoIV_OcTTvnig-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <67e3d77fc5bbe35d67860f55354a24c7@stellarsound.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Tom Washatka Subject: Expert Sleepers Augustus Loop Question Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 07:52:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74317 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:52:18 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Is anyone familiar with the Expert Sleepers Augustus Loop? I'm trying to get the Fade function to work without the loop clearing itself. I have "No Clear" selected but it still clears itself so when I fade back up there's no loop. Any help? Thanks!! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 13:03:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47BAA3BF44; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=PmJ7RAVIVwfyzYqWysmFppGfyG1SNmnFWRjVYwnEaXY=; b=dJkmC+gjfZHlhcEJiXrAlJAbgwNtUnjN2iF2Nv6mjbk5B2FDF+8Iup6H4xbZU8P0QEa7o4Hmv4RS7P33FXXwJwbBiEEn5tOLXYmTZ8JmFQ1UABPIjdx9J+WWRu1oAgmL4zl4/yryAIyymu/mBYCeN8bzzS/TFvWH3Zydjhxep5U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KD9K9GkU+zPghTcxjG/LidRz2rBNTip+P1E1s7j/O+pDpZi2IDqysQw/Lx++OuUcgBo2rWFsSN8mxTxs6dAzSdBCD+0UJZOuKGOZhkdFWDs0zVMUZGKHoBlOeL8lXSTB+A7HuHRbMKkQ4SxQBkJg+rGfmxYus6wx3mkIsKJHLW0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <67e3d77fc5bbe35d67860f55354a24c7@stellarsound.net> References: <67e3d77fc5bbe35d67860f55354a24c7@stellarsound.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <815211D3-5A72-48EE-8D4A-53824FD2D564@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Expert Sleepers Augustus Loop Question Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:03:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74318 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:03:45 +0000 (UTC) On 10 sep 2007, at 14.52, Tom Washatka wrote: > Hi, > > Is anyone familiar with the Expert Sleepers Augustus Loop? I'm > trying to get the Fade function to work without the loop clearing > itself. I have "No Clear" selected but it still clears itself so > when I fade back up there's no loop. > > Any help? Thanks!! > > Tom Hi Tom, I too use the Fade function and I have not seen the issue you mention. Check that you either have the loop freezed or the feedback set to full. If you use an external MIDI event to control the FAde button, make sure this particular MIDI event is not assigned to both the Fade function and the Clear Loop function. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 14:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E0C3BF4D; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=GjQp6a1llowmykS5iZAYa1zT6GfynfBbrzdfb/CfV7I=; b=qqnGDEs3+pUcZOTjocYo1I4U3dmpQ/p354Wi0QQNwEPcncMJh6qqyKBilGzWHFkh7Vfdh6iIjnxK8CwAR0IxAbtgk//Fx2KadCgjXyMwHI73+UzE8KiydZaIbT6cafXrA0jBkej5kecx5nj4VTHPe7qFGZ0Bi96PWCvvODnHdh4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Bvn0+InT3Sb95jqeuGmtrTlPOZGcr35Whw5eB8PtgQHSA/7vKSVnvkJeB/nB5JoxW/C5QC9ZrJKtlfxIJS3ogmYM3MWDBryMWO9hWqPNklOrarWBHocQ697g4siDYtoowfhrP6eEuHafOPcUyYvGslYHtSlSlMctnAIr8iEPe1o= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:33:49 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Last Night's Performance Recording & Notes - Boise State University Amphitheater In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8931_18599503.1189434830035" References: <082701c7f328$e16b1040$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <007e01c7f38f$fd993e60$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74319 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_8931_18599503.1189434830035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > My > performer experience is just the same as my listening experience. I > like to listen to music that brings similar "memories" as the music I > play, even though it may differ on the outer surface (style, > instrumentation). ... and taking the easy way, i'm nearer to per's experience, but i'll add "technique" between the brackets. raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_8931_18599503.1189434830035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline  
My
performer experience is just the same as my listening experience. I
like to listen to music that brings similar "memories" as the music I
play, even though it may differ on the outer surface (style,
instrumentation).

 ... and taking the easy way,
i'm nearer to per's experience,
but i'll add "technique" between
the brackets.

raul.

--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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Tr= y it! = --_d0503f7c-0bba-4947-9f7d-c315f5ec53b3_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 16:44:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EEFFB3BF36; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:44:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" released by Moinlabs Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 18:44:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001a01c7f3c9$d74f8f40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcfzydbqVLbA5K9fQGOopjEUC6TFkw== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0lwzkYnUw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <6hZdeB.A.shC.RRX5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74320 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:44:01 +0000 (UTC) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- rainer thelonius balthasar straschill kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" With not a small amount of pride Moinlabs announces the release of the album "kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord" online on jamendo.com. This album contains duo and trio recordings done by Straschill and artists from and in places all over the globe. This album is the first one in a (hopefully big and yielding) series of analogical releases. Following the virtual idea of kybermusik, "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" is concequently being released in the Matrix as well - more specifically at jamendo.com Presumably, some future release may find a doss there as well. ABOUT THE MUSIC: I can sincerely call the album (and thus this message as well) "on topic" even according to very strict standards, and that for two reasons: 1. All tracks have looping in them (EDP, DL4, LP1, Jamman, Augustus, Mobius, Eclipse,...) 2. I (cyber-)met all of the artists on the album on LD! Starting off with "Below this Sneppah", it's Brian Good (OH) (this time neither looped nor synthesized nor processed) on soprano sax making acoustic counterpoints to my electronic sample and loop effectry. Our own Rick Walker (CA) also plays acoustically on "Advantages in Freeform Breeding" (more specifically, "Sound of God" tambourine, bodhran and dumbek) while both me (synths) and Krispen Hartung (ID) (guitar) have a hard time understanding his 2+2+2+3 meter. This track was recorded at the first kybermusik session in front of a live audience ever on Walpurgis Night 2006. Krispen is also featured (way before moving to MAX or even laptop) on "Aspirin Age", making heavy use of ring modulators and loops, while I add guitar loops, synths and drum programming (and the granular porn flic looping mentioned some time ago). "The Milkey Way" are two excerpts from a long session with Charlie Milkey (NY?) (4-string bass, effects, loops) and me (6-string bass, effects, loops). Listen as outright weird noises are combined with parts which sometimes even sound like a normal bass guitar. The last track features Os (ENG) and Daryl Shawn (MEX) and had their freeform madness embossed into a downtempo dance groove...the title "Virtual Baggy Pants" says it all - it's Os on Augustus, Nord Lead and Juno, Daryl on nylon-string guitar and cassette abuse and myself responsible for the rest. With that, it remains for me to usher you, dear reader, towards your web broser so you may listen to this album from one end to the other and backwards and enjoy it. Commentaries always welcome! Thanks for taking interest! Rainer ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- http://moinlabs.de http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 10 21:43:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20C543BF3F; Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:43:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=eeeR8LbKr86fZn9v23vj9Jhu5ERtlexG9J13oGnOJ5Pnwf1UWW84tPKJG22OvVpd; h=Received:Message-ID:X-Priority:Reply-To:X-Mailer:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <380-220079110214342229@earthlink.net> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: frogheap@earthlink.net X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: "marcel selman" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: list suggestions? Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 17:43:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_1064011105472214342260" X-ELNK-Trace: 8a7c5cb5be7a00881aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec798e451c9a3f691f5fb4a8dea3dd032e2b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 208.120.247.144 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74321 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 21:43:44 +0000 (UTC) ------=_NextPart_1064011105472214342260 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear list sorry for intruding but I need to ask if anyone knows an electric guitar list for beginners/mid-level players. which answers questions about gear as well _ie: boss VF1 sound the same as other boss guitar effects? ie2: is it worth modifying an Ibanez guitar or buying a better guitar? thanx for any help. --- marcel selman --- frogheap@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------=_NextPart_1064011105472214342260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII

Dear list sorry for intruding but I need to ask if anyone knows an electric guitar list for beginners/mid-level players.
which answers questions about gear as well _ie: boss VF1 sound the same as other boss guitar effects?
ie2: is it worth modifying an Ibanez guitar or buying a better guitar?
thanx for any help.
 
 
--- marcel selman
--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.
 

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Is there any difference between the two? Thanks in advance.
----fd1ae0731d7da43474a7-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 04:03:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30AD83BEF0; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vYK5s4qp2zjKo1IplTHFMT4kbkEBeFjVo8yJQQ+On7Q=; b=UozqmeH8qHzi5iTMO65KCuWyVmofSZ0L/x/zo2612zdBD57mNoRH6QrWj5rgC0RlNAkXXhbZ0L0fKgIbl8evUe4emLc75XNIHMPJO4SVHotq6XRE8rqUgV1O+1TIW+KujJlhZP/IdYaLIuzfzOTkyfFCRignoYaUR3LlcdyNJjU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Rk+eXiTjhAWyQgknpBpXBs/ZXVl1HHPSHMSPwWsryN3zPtc+jSeVrdRCT48bGJXaDpBWzaFiYi+0VbxwSo0gxHNgQEKtJEz8pFu6JBwlqVuuo7P4/+f2j5ehdr+a6CJ1T4Ckb1NdB1JZKoANMU89AngAjvtfIC85Jyah9+tW2Hk= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 06:03:14 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" released by Moinlabs In-Reply-To: <001a01c7f3c9$d74f8f40$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10837_23235543.1189483394329" References: <001a01c7f3c9$d74f8f40$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74323 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 04:03:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_10837_23235543.1189483394329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline downloaded this afternoon and just done a sneak listen through ... more to come! thanks rainer and all players! raul 2007/9/10, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > rainer thelonius balthasar straschill > kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" > > With not a small amount of pride Moinlabs announces the release of the > album > "kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord" online on jamendo.com. This album > contains duo and trio recordings done by Straschill and artists from and > in > places all over the globe. > This album is the first one in a (hopefully big and yielding) series of > analogical releases. > > Following the virtual idea of kybermusik, "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" is > concequently being released in the Matrix as well - more specifically at > jamendo.com > > > Presumably, some future release may find a doss there as well. > > ABOUT THE MUSIC: > I can sincerely call the album (and thus this message as well) "on topic" > even according to very strict standards, and that for two reasons: > 1. All tracks have looping in them (EDP, DL4, LP1, Jamman, > Augustus, > Mobius, Eclipse,...) > 2. I (cyber-)met all of the artists on the album on LD! > > Starting off with "Below this Sneppah", it's Brian Good (OH) (this time > neither looped nor synthesized nor processed) on soprano sax making > acoustic > counterpoints to my electronic sample and loop effectry. Our own Rick > Walker > (CA) also plays acoustically on "Advantages in Freeform Breeding" (more > specifically, "Sound of God" tambourine, bodhran and dumbek) while both me > (synths) and Krispen Hartung (ID) (guitar) have a hard time understanding > his 2+2+2+3 meter. This track was recorded at the first kybermusik session > in front of a live audience ever on Walpurgis Night 2006. > > Krispen is also featured (way before moving to MAX or even laptop) on > "Aspirin Age", making heavy use of ring modulators and loops, while I add > guitar loops, synths and drum programming (and the granular porn flic > looping mentioned some time ago). > > "The Milkey Way" are two excerpts from a long session with Charlie Milkey > (NY?) (4-string bass, effects, loops) and me (6-string bass, effects, > loops). Listen as outright weird noises are combined with parts which > sometimes even sound like a normal bass guitar. > > The last track features Os (ENG) and Daryl Shawn (MEX) and had their > freeform madness embossed into a downtempo dance groove...the title > "Virtual > Baggy Pants" says it all - it's Os on Augustus, Nord Lead and Juno, Daryl > on > nylon-string guitar and cassette abuse and myself responsible for the > rest. > > > With that, it remains for me to usher you, dear reader, towards your web > broser so you may listen to this album from one end to the other and > backwards and enjoy it. Commentaries always welcome! Thanks for taking > interest! > > Rainer > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > http://moinlabs.de > http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill > http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10837_23235543.1189483394329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline downloaded this afternoon and just
done a sneak listen through ... more to come!

thanks rainer and all players!
raul

2007/9/10, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de>:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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rainer thelonius balthasar straschill
kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord"

With not a small amount of pride Moinlabs announces the release of the album
"kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord" online on jamendo.com. This album
contains duo and trio recordings done by Straschill and artists from and in
places all over the globe.
This album is the first one in a (hopefully big and yielding) series of
analogical releases.

Following the virtual idea of kybermusik, "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" is
concequently being released in the Matrix as well - more specifically at
jamendo.com


Presumably, some future release may find a doss there as well.

ABOUT THE MUSIC:
I can sincerely call the album (and thus this message as well) "on topic"
even according to very strict standards, and that for two reasons:
        1. All tracks have looping in them (EDP, DL4, LP1, Jamman, Augustus,
Mobius, Eclipse,...)
        2. I (cyber-)met all of the artists on the album on LD!

Starting off with "Below this Sneppah", it's Brian Good (OH) (this time
neither looped nor synthesized nor processed) on soprano sax making acoustic
counterpoints to my electronic sample and loop effectry. Our own Rick Walker
(CA) also plays acoustically on "Advantages in Freeform Breeding" (more
specifically, "Sound of God" tambourine, bodhran and dumbek) while both me
(synths) and Krispen Hartung (ID) (guitar) have a hard time understanding
his 2+2+2+3 meter. This track was recorded at the first kybermusik session
in front of a live audience ever on Walpurgis Night 2006.

Krispen is also featured (way before moving to MAX or even laptop) on
"Aspirin Age", making heavy use of ring modulators and loops, while I add
guitar loops, synths and drum programming (and the granular porn flic
looping mentioned some time ago).

"The Milkey Way" are two excerpts from a long session with Charlie Milkey
(NY?) (4-string bass, effects, loops) and me (6-string bass, effects,
loops). Listen as outright weird noises are combined with parts which
sometimes even sound like a normal bass guitar.

The last track features Os (ENG) and Daryl Shawn (MEX) and had their
freeform madness embossed into a downtempo dance groove...the title "Virtual
Baggy Pants" says it all - it's Os on Augustus, Nord Lead and Juno, Daryl on
nylon-string guitar and cassette abuse and myself responsible for the rest.


With that, it remains for me to usher you, dear reader, towards your web
broser so you may listen to this album from one end to the other and
backwards and enjoy it. Commentaries always welcome! Thanks for taking
interest!

            Rainer
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
http://moinlabs.de
http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill
http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=moinlabs




--
The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_10837_23235543.1189483394329-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 07:14:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E15C3BF47; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:14:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=6xTG2gy+ZY4N/GK8p2Ui+Vu6bcT1csL6WPaBf3cUae0=; b=qVccD8jtxmugRRtadYUu2wSw8tNX4WlVUZer6tinQ1FC42BjPiUhJEhyEVIDGwFVfHeFQ6EMjuXLUTwGVoIDWtLWdz7CB4mg/PI10MuiBOVaGoYAH2UDXkX0BpB0bwvfl8xQGZA0S//9j5n+4wfUEpVv3WL0WqZofTtWpOgb3qs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eSjHTEg9nT15CDiNS/TbU3HlMMgZZ13nmelVbVRrMAXjXoD4NeNmQQ2FmM8vKNTZGuBO/6a1nPpPb3ih3UEvDJ/+F6wLFS3q+LbAVTXGDVbhFvn+XinFYna6KXiB8XAqpD4EZszZVjXBH382UDfz6P3Xkv28CrB/UPAbegoRisc= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 00:14:40 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000 differences In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74324 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:14:42 +0000 (UTC) I've never noticed any other differences. TH On 9/10/07, Brooker Buckingham wrote: > Hi there. I have a quick question about the Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine. > > It appears there are two different versions out there - one in a black casing and one > in a metallic casing. > > Is there any difference between the two? Thanks in advance. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 10:38:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 272C73BF55; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf0X91HzSJZ9uIAT0i+t/NvcWubyA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74325 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:38:25 +0000 (UTC) I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul just died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 084283BF37; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001001c7f466$e0c077e0$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Subject: Re: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:28:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74326 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Merci Merci Merci Cl02 >I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul just > died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:51:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565D63BF44; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00dc01c7f46a$01b15ca0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <001001c7f466$e0c077e0$4101a8c0@mini> Subject: Re: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:50:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp5.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74327 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Grazie, Joe ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claude Voit" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: goodbye Joe Zawinul > Merci Merci Merci > > Cl02 > > > >>I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul just >> died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. >> >> -Michael www.michaelpeters.de >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: > 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: 10/09/2007 17.43 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:52:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319423BF54; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:52:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e701c7f46a$27648bc0$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <001a01c7f3c9$d74f8f40$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" released by Moinlabs Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:51:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C7F47A.E9C35AB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74328 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:52:01 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C7F47A.E9C35AB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I really like "The Milkey Way - Yivli Minare". Thanks for sharing, Rainer. fabio www.eterogeneo.com ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Raul Bonell=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 6:03 AM Subject: Re: kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" released by = Moinlabs downloaded this afternoon and just=20 done a sneak listen through ... more to come! thanks rainer and all players! raul 2007/9/10, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill < rs@moinlabs.de>: = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=20 ---- rainer thelonius balthasar straschill kybermusik: "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" With not a small amount of pride Moinlabs announces the release of = the album "kybermusik: Quelques Papiers D'Abord" online on jamendo.com. This = album contains duo and trio recordings done by Straschill and artists from = and in places all over the globe. This album is the first one in a (hopefully big and yielding) series = of=20 analogical releases. Following the virtual idea of kybermusik, "Quelques Papiers D'Abord" = is concequently being released in the Matrix as well - more = specifically at jamendo.com Presumably, some future release may find a doss there as well. ABOUT THE MUSIC: I can sincerely call the album (and thus this message as well) "on = topic" even according to very strict standards, and that for two reasons:=20 1. All tracks have looping in them (EDP, DL4, LP1, Jamman, = Augustus, Mobius, Eclipse,...) 2. I (cyber-)met all of the artists on the album on LD! Starting off with "Below this Sneppah", it's Brian Good (OH) (this = time=20 neither looped nor synthesized nor processed) on soprano sax making = acoustic counterpoints to my electronic sample and loop effectry. Our own = Rick Walker (CA) also plays acoustically on "Advantages in Freeform Breeding" = (more=20 specifically, "Sound of God" tambourine, bodhran and dumbek) while = both me (synths) and Krispen Hartung (ID) (guitar) have a hard time = understanding his 2+2+2+3 meter. This track was recorded at the first kybermusik = session=20 in front of a live audience ever on Walpurgis Night 2006. Krispen is also featured (way before moving to MAX or even laptop) = on "Aspirin Age", making heavy use of ring modulators and loops, while = I add=20 guitar loops, synths and drum programming (and the granular porn = flic looping mentioned some time ago). "The Milkey Way" are two excerpts from a long session with Charlie = Milkey (NY?) (4-string bass, effects, loops) and me (6-string bass, = effects,=20 loops). Listen as outright weird noises are combined with parts = which sometimes even sound like a normal bass guitar. The last track features Os (ENG) and Daryl Shawn (MEX) and had their freeform madness embossed into a downtempo dance groove...the title = "Virtual=20 Baggy Pants" says it all - it's Os on Augustus, Nord Lead and Juno, = Daryl on nylon-string guitar and cassette abuse and myself responsible for = the rest. With that, it remains for me to usher you, dear reader, towards your = web=20 broser so you may listen to this album from one end to the other and backwards and enjoy it. Commentaries always welcome! Thanks for = taking interest! Rainer = -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---=20 ---- http://moinlabs.de http://www.jamendo.com/en/artist/straschill http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=3Dmoinlabs --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition.=20 Version: 7.5.485 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/999 - Release Date: = 10/09/2007 17.43 ------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C7F47A.E9C35AB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I really like "The = Milkey Way -=20 Yivli Minare".
Thanks for sharing,=20 Rainer.
 
fabio
www.eterogeneo.com
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Raul=20 Bonell
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, = 2007 6:03=20 AM
Subject: Re: kybermusik: = "Quelques=20 Papiers D'Abord" released by Moinlabs

downloaded this afternoon and just
done a sneak = listen=20 through ... more to come!

thanks rainer and all=20 players!
raul

2007/9/10, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar = Straschill=20 < rs@moinlabs.de>:
------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------=20
----

rainer thelonius balthasar straschill
kybermusik: = "Quelques Papiers D'Abord"

With not a small amount of pride = Moinlabs=20 announces the release of the album
"kybermusik: Quelques Papiers = D'Abord"=20 online on jamendo.com. This=20 album
contains duo and trio recordings done by Straschill and = artists=20 from and in
places all over the globe.
This album is the first = one in=20 a (hopefully big and yielding) series of
analogical=20 releases.

Following the virtual idea of kybermusik, "Quelques = Papiers=20 D'Abord" is
concequently being released in the Matrix as well - = more=20 specifically at
jamendo.com


Presumably, = some future=20 release may find a doss there as well.

ABOUT THE MUSIC:
I = can=20 sincerely call the album (and thus this message as well) "on = topic"
even=20 according to very strict standards, and that for two reasons:=20
        1. All tracks = have=20 looping in them (EDP, DL4, LP1, Jamman, Augustus,
Mobius,=20 Eclipse,...)
        2. I = (cyber-)met all of the artists on the album on LD!

Starting = off with=20 "Below this Sneppah", it's Brian Good (OH) (this time
neither = looped nor=20 synthesized nor processed) on soprano sax making = acoustic
counterpoints=20 to my electronic sample and loop effectry. Our own Rick = Walker
(CA) also=20 plays acoustically on "Advantages in Freeform Breeding" (more=20
specifically, "Sound of God" tambourine, bodhran and dumbek) = while both=20 me
(synths) and Krispen Hartung (ID) (guitar) have a hard time=20 understanding
his 2+2+2+3 meter. This track was recorded at the = first=20 kybermusik session
in front of a live audience ever on Walpurgis = Night=20 2006.

Krispen is also featured (way before moving to MAX or = even=20 laptop) on
"Aspirin Age", making heavy use of ring modulators and = loops,=20 while I add
guitar loops, synths and drum programming (and the = granular=20 porn flic
looping mentioned some time ago).

"The Milkey = Way" are=20 two excerpts from a long session with Charlie Milkey
(NY?) = (4-string=20 bass, effects, loops) and me (6-string bass, effects,
loops). = Listen as=20 outright weird noises are combined with parts which
sometimes = even sound=20 like a normal bass guitar.

The last track features Os (ENG) = and Daryl=20 Shawn (MEX) and had their
freeform madness embossed into a = downtempo=20 dance groove...the title "Virtual
Baggy Pants" says it all - = it's Os on=20 Augustus, Nord Lead and Juno, Daryl on
nylon-string guitar and = cassette=20 abuse and myself responsible for the rest.


With that, it = remains=20 for me to usher you, dear reader, towards your web
broser so you = may=20 listen to this album from one end to the other and
backwards and = enjoy=20 it. Commentaries always welcome! Thanks for=20 = taking
interest!

       &nbs= p;    Rainer
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------=_NextPart_000_00E4_01C7F47A.E9C35AB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 11:59:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9BA6E3BF5B; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=bCO7ggT3riTfNA/0j7M9aVaPRHsi7iMFUpxOqsd80ds=; b=kpSoWVg2sxzQc7k10h584zhqqFu9qbs5huiWWmjd4CWb1I9nUU7svu4NPatbbyISTAbrTJKqXqMkdK5cIFCkt72mz19vX5SeaXSwE9FNGhFUy2bXFaOw1E7eqd/AnSkSrhDUoKPQcQKJwQrfBCXnjuHh9baGNuimUIvpuPRdHCk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QtsRpX1UWLpTMQwofxLBW/c3/ux548TlIkinTqcJcS08HxDbV8hrQjdz+HSMKyZZyp6yNi5V2gkS96jnZpGrhMegPCnEQZNdvNfT0KSQ1fBNBrW3YfKS1Uxkf5QrruhIspEWHAKZ0HGtdqnPerOZF4vp2C3D0uoTgz8qF1Q3PuQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9797DAFA-E9DB-4463-BC06-EC578E1349FE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:59:30 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74329 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:59:37 +0000 (UTC) On 11 sep 2007, at 12.38, Michael Peters wrote: > I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. > Zawinul just > died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. > > -Michael www.michaelpeters.de Dammit! He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-( His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal musicality....? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 12:36:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F2073BF50; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: drumpants Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:36:46 +0200 Message-ID: <007201c7f470$6ad2c1a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf0cGouwFsSz6iWTxa/7AQuhBR0EA== Resent-Message-ID: <6LVhOC.A.SJE.lvo5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74330 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:36:54 +0000 (UTC) http://freemanphotography.com/odbol/drumpants.php (yes, there are loops mentioned on the page) -Michael From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 12:48:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EDF213BF5B; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:48:22 EDT Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1189514902" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74331 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 12:48:27 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1189514902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/11/2007 7:59:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, perboysen@gmail.com writes: Dammit! He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-( His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal musicality....? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) I don't know, sure seems like he lived the "life" to me. Joe lived to be 75 (a LONG life for a great musician), was one of the best and most influential contemporary afro inspired jazz musicians of all time. He has left a legacy few will ever parallel. Sure seems to me like anything but a "waste", more like a PERFECT musical life. No need to be sad here, just grateful. Right? Hendrix, SRV or Miles, now those were sad all too early wastes of incredible talent. Joe on the other hand just didn't seem like he wasted a minute to me. thoughts? ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1189514902 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/11/2007 7:59:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 perboysen@gmail.com writes:
<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Dammit!=20 He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-(

His phrasing have been echoin= g=20 within my own playing. As I usually 
want to fight back influence= s I=20 happen to pick up from other 
musicians I have never felt that wa= y=20 about Zawinul. Maybe because his 
greatness did not draw on "ego"= but=20 rather expressing some universal 
musicality....?

Greeting= s=20 from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.c= om=20 (international)
 
I don't know, sure seems like he lived the "life" to me. Joe lived to b= e 75=20 (a LONG life for a great musician), was one of the best and most influential= =20 contemporary afro inspired jazz musicians of all time. He has left a legacy=20= few=20 will ever parallel. Sure seems to me like anything but a "waste", more=20= like=20 a PERFECT musical life. No need to be sad here, just=20 grateful. Right?
 
Hendrix, SRV or Miles, now those were sad all too early wastes&nbs= p;of=20 incredible talent. Joe on the other hand just didn't seem like he waste= d a=20 minute to me.   
 
thoughts?
 



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-------------------------------1189514902-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:41:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFAD33BF52; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,237,1186372800"; d="scan'208,217";a="24257997" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAI435kZKiMcq/2dsb2JhbACCdWiDMoFMZ48g X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,237,1186372800"; d="scan'208,217";a="77027774" Message-ID: <001e01c7f479$77af0f10$2ac7884a@preferre4ca07a> From: "Mark Smart" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:41:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7F44F.8EC11240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74332 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:41:28 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7F44F.8EC11240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, RIP. I am a HUGE Weather Report fan. His tune "In a Silent Way" is = so beautiful. I always think of the version of this tune on the "8:30" = album as being something to aspire to as far as using synths = expressively and dynamically. He made them breathe. If you haven't listened to the band Tribal Tech, check them out. Their = keyboardist Scott Kinsey is a keeper of the Joe Zawinul flame. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7F44F.8EC11240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, RIP. I am a HUGE Weather Report fan. His tune "In a Silent = Way" is so=20 beautiful. I always think of the version of this tune on the "8:30" = album as=20 being something to aspire to as far as using synths expressively and=20 dynamically. He made them breathe.
 
If you haven't listened to the band Tribal Tech, check them out. = Their=20 keyboardist Scott Kinsey is a keeper of the Joe Zawinul flame.
 
Mark Smart
http://www.marksmart.net
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C7F44F.8EC11240-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 13:58:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A9A3BF5F; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=OHIeum++hxlm6PJePsZfBheFG/wctLgM/SO8iPoTZn8=; b=XMf66qu8ScHj/FsESC0ACO9P8yoyKbhqaaujaBvdx6S2XJJI3KX+FMo6hhmwu82AECusMKtD41jiOwruGIEAl6i8QpbQ3YeeOXL9h4eTd5++D4TYlGzGmCaUKXIjvaS30zxFDR6NEUjMVuUoy0fStaZWfDD78D/ilaWPrHWg07o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Aczpe47ZN6LfMcBJF8syVos0Wh1dAuKpUQBeJmxPYsi++oamjvr4YCtKnwpzcNgz5NSvQ8pHnh3T5XoiHhQzgLXywanxg9BGWk+nvjTf3/KliIDDDHm/jlL9MgpHzUabPDosdJu+PEUDiWtWOmV5OF+VKMo1KlSXmBPvW2uUwIU= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:58:41 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000 differences In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12679_12442680.1189519121709" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74333 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:58:43 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12679_12442680.1189519121709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi there is this the machine, frisell used to put on a chair for the quick pitch shift stuff in the eighties/nineties? just curious, raul. 2007/9/11, Travis Hartnett : > > I've never noticed any other differences. > > TH > > On 9/10/07, Brooker Buckingham wrote: > > Hi there. I have a quick question about the Digitech RDS-8000 Time > Machine. > > > > It appears there are two different versions out there - one in a black > casing and one > > in a metallic casing. > > > > Is there any difference between the two? Thanks in advance. > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12679_12442680.1189519121709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi there

is this the machine, frisell used to put on a chair
for the quick pitch shift stuff in the eighties/nineties?

just curious,
raul.

2007/9/11, Travis Hartnett < travishartnett@gmail.com>:
I've never noticed any other differences.

TH

On 9/10/07, Brooker Buckingham <bbuckingham@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Hi there. I have a quick question about the Digitech RDS-8000 Time Machine.
>
> It appears there are two different versions out there - one in a black casing and one
> in a metallic casing.
>
> Is there any difference between the two? Thanks in advance.
>




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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12679_12442680.1189519121709-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:00:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C7DC3BF61; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=j6PPrP7kN+ssrKYyU+QLPiBe4YxsJBy/IIqjtPeOavA=; b=VzuPTmczQuXsKsQrGK/a5c6S+iNG9kF1iC9vsLPZ5YUXM7hJbdZD8868Q5OG30HAOYYWMZ2/6VqokhserFHtBjg4/pEnaMiG+giKLO1epV4mbpEwBUKXUDBR0SYsAUE/N6VVtzn96CTMatm7d5bexknNuSHK9tKWNp1bRpqvUSA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=a8xhVpziNgIVIGIPyQyO0/rRDg1dj/ow2M+gnV48LuqxmsjMgL+oIEMUuaLzSEisKiFPb3bGE+OD+vNJ67fL+j7VGcIPqxrWCKmVYVayJ2CStUzQ8w09BZsf/485xQLf6CO2ByKzEvI3DSg6pEQsW6n8rh+EThEP3Noq6/xc8N0= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:00:46 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000 differences In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12686_8319407.1189519246818" References: Resent-Message-ID: <__0SrC.A._AH.S-p5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74334 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:00:50 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12686_8319407.1189519246818 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline arghh... late. it is in the LD archives. sorry. 2007/9/11, Raul Bonell : > > hi there > > is this the machine, frisell used to put on a chair > for the quick pitch shift stuff in the eighties/nineties? > ------=_Part_12686_8319407.1189519246818 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline arghh... late. it is in the LD archives. sorry.

2007/9/11, Raul Bonell <raul.bonell@gmail.com>:
hi there

is this the machine, frisell used to put on a chair
for the quick pitch shift stuff in the eighties/nineties?
------=_Part_12686_8319407.1189519246818-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:01:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C3AA93BF68; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E69FC6.1080406@biink.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:01:42 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul References: <001e01c7f479$77af0f10$2ac7884a@preferre4ca07a> In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f479$77af0f10$2ac7884a@preferre4ca07a> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74335 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:01:23 +0000 (UTC) Mark Smart wrote: > Wow, RIP. I am a HUGE Weather Report fan. His tune "In a Silent Way" > is so beautiful. > I sure is. I was thinking this might happen, I knew he was sick. RIP. -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B84E3BF48; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=J61KqP2LWrnoWY8H1ocgxX3KxNMDjbcLFfwI/pcKMdU=; b=lrrUoqhzvbyrTEjZbuICEAKznydaVBKB5XHm/iHo6JPKBhMlXpdFuf/JGUxHVtr8xff7NhsMjpL4CurYa9VMf/ZcRtQyw6+bB6a7D7QBSMscBZklu7nUAm4wxMa5TrUUqLlfNkEO2gVE93WqizA/+x3vYy1PfUi8O42Fhg+1ueg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Fy03Z/QL/heI5jnMWqA46r1Rkasl5ESWsN8jUSyXsyNT8TAcUYFxmehH5fa9QO790N8aLiH7oa670sfBWFjmvm8nKBkkKKWZjchvOicoFN7HGM8tKMknFSDiU7kvBff05JiRQ+oLOfvBTnkLCDBzdExih++kIq0V2I+nKscWiYw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:03:50 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul In-Reply-To: <001e01c7f479$77af0f10$2ac7884a@preferre4ca07a> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_12700_15404971.1189519430190" References: <001e01c7f479$77af0f10$2ac7884a@preferre4ca07a> Resent-Message-ID: <76J3cD.A.hPH.PBq5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74336 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_12700_15404971.1189519430190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > If you haven't listened to the band Tribal Tech, check them out. Their > keyboardist Scott Kinsey is a keeper of the Joe Zawinul flame. > > ... and the bassist is the greatest of all times, Gary! RIP Zawi ... raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12700_15404971.1189519430190 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

 
If you haven't listened to the band Tribal Tech, check them out. Their keyboardist Scott Kinsey is a keeper of the Joe Zawinul flame.
 

... and the bassist is the greatest of all times, Gary!
RIP Zawi ...

raul.

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TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_12700_15404971.1189519430190-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:05:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C05F63BF68; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=y0Q+//UhHxVGXqLUZaC8ZXXOqVNXmh6NucNSyVJbjCA=; b=LFeNBAXTIgSXOmm33gM+WewIChTP6U9OsGYIElGAHz6GtISdT5nUz6RkaF1Vxi2CYaCFiGGLqc20K83vWCcu8AfdSRjtC2GO15JlHM46q1XeNM+9duA6NMPjBl373E1kNIrpM+ugAfSRwwM6jPPRMGFpnS/IDbYT4N7PYVIIQG0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ElRoA+IFWCkEKFzVyWitf5fqQM2axRDnNteATL+iqJfL97QcIGVVvDxzqIhwcIfrS6r76vKgT0LOnVCMigTm9Uh3/0Hf+7dacBnquYOGaldh2n3Ee4asiqS5LuK9kixMhSFDOUg4p7OjVygEh6UiUW4hOqnhVkJESBn5wVQEgYA= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 07:05:01 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Digitech RDS-8000 differences In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: <9dh9g.A.IYH.gCq5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74337 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:05:20 +0000 (UTC) No, that was the PDS-8000 pedal. It lacked the modulation controls present on the RDS-8000 rack unit. On 9/11/07, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi there > > is this the machine, frisell used to put on a chair > for the quick pitch shift stuff in the eighties/nineties? > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 14:51:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8239F3BF66; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:51:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 10:47:42 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul To: BreachinThePeace@aol.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00b901c7f483$536d17a0$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KeWnq28bHPcku+lDESWCHw)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74338 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:51:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KeWnq28bHPcku+lDESWCHw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I saw Joe exactly once, at one of the clubs in Manhattan - the Blue Note, perhaps. Had a band with a crew of young players. He was a pleasure. I'm with Per on copying Josef when he wrote: His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal musicality....? Heard Miles called Joe "Bounce." Why? Cause he was one bad Czech. Play some notes for Joe today, the way he'd want to hear them. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm --Boundary_(ID_KeWnq28bHPcku+lDESWCHw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
I saw Joe exactly once, at one of the clubs in Manhattan - the Blue Note, perhaps. Had a band with a crew of young players. He was a pleasure. I'm with Per on copying Josef when he wrote:

 
His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually 
want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other 
musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his 
greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal 
musicality....?
 
Heard Miles called Joe "Bounce." Why? Cause he was one bad Czech.
Play some notes for Joe today, the way he'd want to hear them.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."        
- Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
--Boundary_(ID_KeWnq28bHPcku+lDESWCHw)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:28:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E062E3BF5B; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 591839850 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:28:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96A5@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <46E2BFAB.2070301@tiscali.co.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Looping on Revoxes (a treatise) Thread-Index: Acf0iGvN65lOfD01R2iOMwQeQMNNHw== References: <46E2BFAB.2070301@tiscali.co.uk> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 15:28:35.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[6B5F5D50:01C7F488] Resent-Message-ID: <_-TQk.A.jPC.lQr5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74339 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:28:37 +0000 (UTC) >>(usually the capstan motors are locked to the mains frequency)<< G36's yes, but not A77's. in theory at least, it ought to be possible to get a much closer lock between the A77's, provided that the capstans are accurately made. which they generally were. two near-identical revoxes would be the best bet. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:29:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 507603BF6B; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:29:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 657870788 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: bows for guitars Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:29:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96A8@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <46E2B880.1060502@biink.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: bows for guitars Thread-Index: Acf0iJj8fwEpOVVCQcuqr9ifOhhJ4w== References: <46E2B880.1060502@biink.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 15:29:51.0563 (UTC) FILETIME=[988FA9B0:01C7F488] Resent-Message-ID: <529ih.A.vWC.xRr5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74340 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:29:53 +0000 (UTC) >>Any thoughts on how much rosin to use? A lot? A little?<< my guitarist is still using up the rosin/resin that was on the bow when I got it for him 14 years ago.=20 d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:30:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0321C3BF74; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:30:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003401c7f488$9bfce400$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:29:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7F490.FC678860" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <1LprZB.A.CbC.HSr5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74341 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:30:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7F490.FC678860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com=20 In a message dated 9/11/2007 7:59:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = perboysen@gmail.com writes: Dammit! He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-( His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually =20 want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other =20 musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because = his =20 greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal = =20 musicality....? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) I don't know, sure seems like he lived the "life" to me. Joe lived to = be 75 (a LONG life for a great musician), was one of the best and most = influential contemporary afro inspired jazz musicians of all time. He = has left a legacy few will ever parallel. Sure seems to me like anything = but a "waste", more like a PERFECT musical life. No need to be sad here, = just grateful. Right? Hendrix, SRV or Miles, now those were sad all too early wastes of = incredible talent. Joe on the other hand just didn't seem like he wasted = a minute to me. =20 thoughts? My thoughts precisely. Perhaps in 100 years people will think of = someone who lived to 'only 75' in a different manner... If he'd let = coke, heroin or a certain ufo nut-cult get him, I'd say yes - but I = didn't think Joe Zawinul's joining that great band in the sky was a = waste either, as he left us with quite a lot to enjoy as if he'd never = left. Stephen Goodman * * Cartoons about DVDs and Stuff * http://www.earthlight.net/HiddenTrack * The Loop Of The Week since 1996! * http://www.earthlight.net/Studios ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7F490.FC678860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/11/2007 7:59:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, = perboysen@gmail.com = writes:
Dammit! He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-(

His = phrasing=20 have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually 
want = to=20 fight back influences I happen to pick up from other  =
musicians I=20 have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his =20
greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some=20 universal 
musicality....?

Greetings from = Sweden

Per=20 Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com=20 (international)
 
I don't know, sure seems like he lived the "life" to me. Joe = lived to be=20 75 (a LONG life for a great musician), was one of the best and most=20 influential contemporary afro inspired jazz musicians of all time. He = has left=20 a legacy few will ever parallel. Sure seems to me like anything but=20 a "waste", more like a PERFECT musical life. No need to be = sad here,=20 just grateful. Right?
 
Hendrix, SRV or Miles, now those were sad all too=20 early wastes of incredible talent. Joe on the other = hand just=20 didn't seem like he wasted a minute to me.   
 
thoughts?
My thoughts precisely.  Perhaps in 100 years people = will think=20 of someone who lived to 'only 75' in a different manner... If he'd let = coke,=20 heroin or a certain ufo nut-cult get him, I'd say yes - but I didn't = think Joe=20 Zawinul's joining that great band in the sky was a waste either, as he = left us=20 with quite a lot to enjoy as if he'd never left.
 
Stephen Goodman
*
* Cartoons about DVDs and = Stuff
* http://www.earthlight.net/= HiddenTrack
*=20 The Loop Of The Week since 1996!
* http://www.earthlight.net/Stud= ios
 
------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7F490.FC678860-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:30:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC95B3BF72; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 782003365 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F488.B66D66FC" Subject: RE: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:30:42 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96AA@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <00a901c7f11b$fbf95160$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Netiquette] Use this delete button... Thread-Index: Acf0iLcRC2wQ5KfuRSOmmACgoeOH0A== References: <00a901c7f11b$fbf95160$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 15:30:41.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[B676B130:01C7F488] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74342 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:30:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F488.B66D66FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> You can also use the 8< (scissors) smiley to show that you cut parts. << =20 & I would if I was still a teenager! :-)=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F488.B66D66FC Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 >> You can also use the 8< = (scissors)=20 smiley to show that you cut parts. <<
 
& I = would if I was=20 still a teenager! :-) 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F488.B66D66FC-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 15:33:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6AFF23BF7D; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:33:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 591842491 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:33:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96B3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <20070906125640.271P5.396359.root@fepweb15> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Thread-Index: Acf0iQp6ik4hcouMQS+62PvjRFnc9Q== References: <20070906125640.271P5.396359.root@fepweb15> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 15:33:01.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[09EAD3F0:01C7F489] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74343 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:33:03 +0000 (UTC) >>At the end of this longish presentation (say the last 5%) Jobs' gives the stage over to Britt singer/songwriter KT Tunstall who . . . to my amazement starts out her 2-song set with a solo (voice, tamborine and guitar) looping piece.<< but you knew she started out as a looping artist, right? before she had a band..... she first appeared on british tv about three or four years ago, using an akai headrush. the thing was the star of her blog at the time, though shortly afterwards she put a band together to make her first album. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 16:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 070543BF63; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:55 +0000 Message-Id: <091120071637.2132.46E6C4630005DA5D000008542216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2132_1189528675_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74344 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2132_1189528675_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit A more dubious achievment: Joe gave Jaco his first taste of cocaine. The rest was history. So the last great one left is Sonny Rollins I guess. Ornette maybe, but I would put Sonny over him in regards to legend status. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Douglas Baldwin I saw Joe exactly once, at one of the clubs in Manhattan - the Blue Note, perhaps. Had a band with a crew of young players. He was a pleasure. I'm with Per on copying Josef when he wrote: His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal musicality....? Heard Miles called Joe "Bounce." Why? Cause he was one bad Czech. Play some notes for Joe today, the way he'd want to hear them. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2132_1189528675_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
A more dubious achievment: Joe gave Jaco his first taste of cocaine. The rest was history.
So the last great one left is Sonny Rollins I guess. Ornette maybe, but I would put Sonny over him in regards to legend status.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Douglas Baldwin <coyotelk@optonline.net>
I saw Joe exactly once, at one of the clubs in Manhattan - the Blue Note, perhaps. Had a band with a crew of young players. He was a pleasure. I'm with Per on copying Josef when he wrote:

 
His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually 
want to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other 
musicians I have never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his 
greatness did not draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal 
musicality....?
 
Heard Miles called Joe "Bounce." Why? Cause he was one bad Czech.
Play some notes for Joe today, the way he'd want to hear them.
Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
www.thecoyote.org
coyotelk@optonline.net
 
"The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."        
- Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_2132_1189528675_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:47:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 251073BF68; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709111847.l8BIltmS069122@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RIP JZ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:48:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7F469.9BED6BC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf0pEf7B1sEXP9KTXqrLtiq/kSJIw== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74345 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:47:58 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7F469.9BED6BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So sad to hear about Joe Zawinul. There were few pianists of his generation who made the transition to electronic Key boards and synthesizers as well as he. While many jazz pianists looked down their collective noses at synthesizers, he not only embraced them, he took the time to create really fresh and exciting sounds with them. As a composer he was truly ground breaking, I'm listening to In a Silent Way right now and marveling at is beauty and space, and how fresh it still sounds nearly 40 years later.. I feel fortunate to have seen him several times, both with Weather Report and the Zawinul Syndicate. The Zawinul Syndicate with Scott Henderson was one of the best fusion performances I've ever seen. Another giant has moved on. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7F469.9BED6BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

So sad to hear = about Joe Zawinul.

 

 There were = few pianists of his generation who made the transition to electronic Key boards and synthesizers as well as he. While many jazz pianists looked down their collective noses at synthesizers, he not only embraced them, he took the = time to create really fresh and exciting sounds with them. As a composer he = was truly ground breaking, I’m listening to In a Silent Way right now and = marveling at is beauty and space, and how fresh it still sounds nearly 40 years = later.. I feel fortunate to have seen him several times, both with Weather Report = and the Zawinul Syndicate.  The Zawinul Syndicate with Scott Henderson was = one of the best fusion performances I've ever seen.

Another giant has = moved on.

Bill

 

------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C7F469.9BED6BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:49:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EDE53BF72; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070911144857.25JPJ.118676.root@fepweb03> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:48:57 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Cc: "Goddard, Duncan" In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96B3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74346 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:49:02 +0000 (UTC) Hmmmm, Actually no. I don't listen to radio much and pop music (in general) is not really what my cultural radar is trained on these days. I don't suppose I'd even know who Brittany Spears was if there weren't tabloids plastered all over the check-out stand at the market. If KT Tunstall had been mentioned on Loopers Delight at any time I suppose I'd have missed it - my focus being what it is. I bypass a lot of topics if they don't tickle my particular interest. I guess it is an indictment of my own bias I suppose. Mea culpa, Ted ---- "Goddard wrote: > but you knew she started out as a looping artist, right? before she had > a band..... she first appeared on british tv about three or four years > ago, using an akai headrush. the thing was the star of her blog at the > time, though shortly afterwards she put a band together to make her > first album. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:55:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BDD93BF85; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Zoe Keating Subject: OT: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:55:01 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74347 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:55:04 +0000 (UTC) hi loopers, tomorrow is the world premier of what might be the first looped, cello score for a horror movie. but i don't watch a lot of movies, so i don't really know! the score was composed and recorded entirely with electrix repeater and ableton live (although the final mix was done in protools). instruments used were cello, screwdriver, chopsticks and a cheesegrater. there are things i'd like to do over, but in general i'm pretty happy with the result. here's the movie, showing at midnight tomorrow at the toronto international film festival: http://www.tiff07.ca/filmsandschedules/filmdetails.aspx? ID=705291325281386 celloly yours, zoe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 18:59:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E6FE3BF8B; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E6E545.1040903@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:58:13 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Legends References: <20070911184758.B928E3BF70@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070911184758.B928E3BF70@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74348 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Not so visible in front-person status I suppose, but I consider both Ron Carter (70) and Roy Haynes (82) to be legendary, and thank goodness are still kicking it. Les Paul too, still gigging at 91! Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> So the last great one left is Sonny Rollins I guess. Ornette maybe, >> but I would put Sonny over him in regards to legend status. >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 19:19:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0C4663BF67; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:19:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: electrix announcement posted today Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:19:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C7F487.24BEE100" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf0qKsOt4vU6P61TX2AtoW7iH+hOA== Message-Id: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9uql_B.A.7YE.zou5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74349 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:19:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C7F487.24BEE100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://electrixpro.com/vr_press.pdf ------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C7F487.24BEE100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_01A1_01C7F487.24BEE100-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 19:34:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B05493BF82; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:34:08 EDT Subject: pro audio review To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bc3.17ff3b5b.341847b0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74350 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:34:34 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bc3.17ff3b5b.341847b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i mentioned this mag before, it's free.....this month they are doing reviews of recorders i.e. m-audio microtrack vs.zoom h4 and location recorders etc.....there is always something of interest in it and the price is way right....www.proaudioreview.com.....they also do an on-line mag so you can save a tree.....michael who only records LOOPS on his machine www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bc3.17ff3b5b.341847b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i mentioned this mag before, it's free.= ....this month they are doing reviews of recorders i.e. m-audio microtrack v= s.zoom h4 and location recorders etc.....there is always something of intere= st in it and the price is way right....www.proaudioreview.com.....they also=20= do an on-line mag so you can save a tree.....michael who only records LOOPS=20= on his machine



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 19:51:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A638D3BF8C; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:51:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=+afPi27E+eraqtf+FvjmwA2DEq46JUOEbTcqh3vGI04=; b=YBRjQ8hchEhEAMVdCdLnZKDDa3ZT1osLQm9dZn1Yiq3DAU58DOf8CNYDlw9I1nj2vVrCEwm0teFkY+Dw3ryvuIzl2i2y9H78rDH2jS8eh/1OjuVcYrrW+qzRtgqp95H8eDR0spXSTNO/5WDkI9WOsy/HiuO45joYExqQNuDVJCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q+G+8g/uG3GL5IY3xyh83TzOp0gysySYeewAjYa1fOENyeEz4yZLcvhcdhDgTxNpfvKkyvQHTbWeWVgFoRYChYeaDTDpr4AFSQHWaRyxMVvuKQ5p18q0DB6KbN7T5ocU3vR6/MSLnvDSXxNP5xM8aUGIcQI70kdBR0R/5AjH+FI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> References: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <2F41F53E-B996-4FC7-87B8-69142F972A35@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: electrix announcement posted today Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:51:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74351 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:51:12 +0000 (UTC) On 11 sep 2007, at 21.19, Bill Edmondson wrote: > http://electrixpro.com/vr_press.pdf Fantastic! Someone heard when it will be hitting the store? Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:01:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE91A3BF84; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:01:24 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000f01c7f4ae$87e38430$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf0pUNYzrSo0wmISZKUYIki5BfMIwACSevw In-Reply-To: X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0l07i7gotg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74352 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:01:01 +0000 (UTC) Oooh, this is a helluva scary horror movie..."Object reference not set to an instance of an object"...this stuff is not for the young... > tomorrow is the world premier of what might be the first > looped, cello score for a horror movie. but i don't watch a > http://www.tiff07.ca/filmsandschedules/filmdetails.aspx? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:23:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1AD0F3BF84; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD15477F@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <000f01c7f4ae$87e38430$1001a8c0@succubus> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Thread-Index: Acf0pUNYzrSo0wmISZKUYIki5BfMIwACSevwAADFAjA= References: <000f01c7f4ae$87e38430$1001a8c0@succubus> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2007 20:23:17.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[963AC090:01C7F4B1] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19JhdBE8CBgrl11xt0BM2eiK5gYFXtadlGFes3 HHG/8dU8tKmfcmm34rXVjIM0pxjJgSSq9VDFOZ6TdHSKKt8Vx Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74353 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:23:34 +0000 (UTC) Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2bhu9p This interweb thing sure is confusing sometimes. dh -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: AW: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Oooh, this is a helluva scary horror movie..."Object reference not set to an instance of an object"...this stuff is not for the young...=20 > tomorrow is the world premier of what might be the first=20 > looped, cello score for a horror movie. but i don't watch a=20 > http://www.tiff07.ca/filmsandschedules/filmdetails.aspx?=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 20:28:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E86F73BF7D; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:28:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD15477F@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> References: <000f01c7f4ae$87e38430$1001a8c0@succubus> <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD15477F@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <74949B21-14E8-49FB-9C14-62F2DDA24E3A@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: looped cello horror film in toronto tomorrow Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:28:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74354 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:28:34 +0000 (UTC) oops...agreed. NullReferenceExceptions are the scariest kind of horror this is the url with the ID string at the end! http://www.tiff07.ca/filmsandschedules/filmdetails.aspx? ID=705291325281386 On Sep 11, 2007, at 1:23 PM, David Huffman wrote: > Try this: http://tinyurl.com/2bhu9p > > This interweb thing sure is confusing sometimes. > > dh From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:05:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A7173BF7D; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: electrix announcement posted today Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 16:05:24 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF94D@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> Thread-Topic: electrix announcement posted today Thread-Index: Acf0qKsOt4vU6P61TX2AtoW7iH+hOAADQQkA References: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74355 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:05:13 +0000 (UTC) This was actually posted in July (look at the first sentence of the text) and was discussed here several weeks ago. The web page is misleading because the new Electrix continues the tradition of generating today's date above the press release links to make it look like something just happened. The show they refer to is happening now (ending on the 12th) so we may see something new in the next few days. =20 My bet is on Q1 2008 for $400. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:11:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7DCF63BF86; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: HarryEsq@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:11:47 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Legends To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1189545107" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 15301 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74356 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:11:58 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1189545107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How's about Barry Harris? Maybe not as well known because he spent a lot of time hanging around New York teaching younger folk about BeBop, but he played with all the great names of the late 40's and 50's and is still kicking as far as I know. Harry Weinberg, Esq. Law Offices of Harry Weinberg 11 Beach Street - 8th Floor New York, N.Y. 10013 (212) 989-2908 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1189545107 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
How's about Barry Harris?  Maybe not as well known because he spen= t a=20 lot of time hanging around New York teaching younger folk about BeBop, but h= e=20 played with all the great names of the late 40's and 50's and is still kicki= ng=20 as far as I know.
 
Harry=20 Weinberg, Esq.
Law Offices of Harry Weinberg
11 Beach Street - 8th=20 Floor
New York, N.Y. 10013
(212)=20 989-2908



-------------------------------1189545107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 11 21:53:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F95B3BF65; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: RE: electrix announcement posted today Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:53:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF94D@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf0qKsOt4vU6P61TX2AtoW7iH+hOAADQQkAAAIO3gA= Message-Id: <20070911215310.D7F623BF01@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9WUx2.A.iuD.H5w5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74357 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 21:53:11 +0000 (UTC) My swag guess for a price is $199 to compete w/ live 6 le. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 5:05 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: electrix announcement posted today > > > This was actually posted in July (look at the first sentence of the > text) and was discussed here several weeks ago. The web page is > misleading because the new Electrix continues the tradition of > generating today's date above the press release links to make it look > like something just happened. The show they refer to is happening > now (ending on the 12th) so we may see something new in the next > few days. > > My bet is on Q1 2008 for $400. > > Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 02:20:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 221CD3BF62; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vxV7qU0wh4F9Vcg7blW3A9QBCckiZTGxhV3yOzYlwS8=; b=IRUAWojHjy+k/noWy2Wrb3ekQ05NzdeQ5P9VCoAD0VCQz7qW1oUteOd/rUlh5lDr76SLVuIQIsQytPUuG7PLCiHP3s5vG+RjXY9BL8lJABclVGhOs8+hiEDBJMRTDbeDlRZm/LyuGUXEq7qrtdCSt7H61+HP/nR5UD1D0Y7GN5o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BgBOS12B0kM9FAx6Hj7Z6u9xAoGSnRCGja4Ek+4CV6EfFwnlw8NmfH/lWHFnjWJFDaXxh+aK/uta9PFveqakrM7TTHOP9W9UskNy28yIo10f6mwX/OZ+rE/aABeXlm6Sp2cX3UMzJ8g9I6VxFTXd3Lgn3CpID+0CbEigKv0Y75E= Message-ID: <46E74D45.80908@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:21:57 -0400 From: Joshua Rothhaas User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers Delight Subject: Computer speakers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <0W07wB.A.z3G.C005GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74358 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Can computer speakers be used as an amp with the RC-50? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 02:59:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC78E3BF62; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UMYJkQxzNgHe/FGQMd7EEDbV7JbHBd+UuZgBU2wUaK/ml6b/Lrzi/fE0rRvn5B2pOZ+/Vp6YuPtjW3J8l94xAFOS1PH4sF535LQ+UmV0Nv/WqV3r07hlLHkJWJBHasH17hHH92m4pjhhik9FE3oud7+GMCOLN1ObjAokpBSh85Q=; X-YMail-OSG: BI8orI0VM1kqSQPM1WHb_l_C..I1zumetSP36MxCOrjaTj16E5C5twpz29ujU6q1i0.5Uk9ehMe0GMDdgPvXu3tJvjK2xE4Q99oIi0_nEE7Ryt9hOGk- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:59:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: cd psd files(Jim?) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <517685.25714.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74359 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 02:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Jim, Did you get a chance to post the CD templates you were talking about? cheers Luis Luis sure I'll just post the links for the PSD files on LD so you and Paul and anyone else who wants can pull down. The way Kunaki works is a traditional jewel of a 1 panel front graphic, 1 panel back insert (no booklet option that I can tell), a tray back inclusive of spines, and the CD label no inner tray as the newer jewel cases so there will be 4 PSD files for you guys to retreive. Look for it this weekend possibly later this afternoon but more than likely tomorrow. Best Jim www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From davidgreene40@yahoo.co.uk Wed Sep 12 03:37:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 49945 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:37:09 UTC Received: from MAINSERVER.LEAP-HOST.COM (ns1.leap-host.com [209.160.64.65]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A55C3BF64 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:37:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lablack by MAINSERVER.LEAP-HOST.COM with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IV5Hv-00064E-DA; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:56:19 -0400 Received: from 64.70.24.211 ([64.70.24.211]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user webmaster@lablackhottest.com) by lablackhottest.com with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <36352.64.70.24.211.1189515379.squirrel@lablackhottest.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 08:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: From Mr.David Greene From: "Mr David Greene" Reply-To: davidgreene80@yahoo.co.uk User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - MAINSERVER.LEAP-HOST.COM X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32665 32002] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.co.uk X-Source: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php X-Source-Args: /usr/local/cpanel/3rdparty/bin/php /usr/local/cpanel/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src/compose.php X-Source-Dir: :/base/3rdparty/squirrelmail/src To: undisclosed-recipients:; Mr.David Greene Senior Audit Officer Natwest Bank Group UK. Dear Friend, I am Mr.David Greene Audit Officer of Natwest Bank Group UK.Natwest Bank London.I am writing following an opportunity in my office that will be of immense benefit to both of us.In my department we discovered an abandoned sum of £20.5million British Pounds Sterling(Twenty million five hundred thousand British Pounds)in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customers Late Mr.Morris Thompson an American who unfortunately lost his life in the plane crash of Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed on January 31 2000,including his wife and only daughter. You shall read more about the crash on visiting this site. http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/02/01/alaska.airlines.list/ Since we got information about his death,we have been expecting his next of kin or relatves to come over and claim his money because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to he deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines. Unfortunately I learnt that his supposed next of kin being his only daughter died along with him in the plane crash leaving nobody with the knowledge of this fund behind for the claim.It is therefore upon this discovery that I and two other officials in this department now decided to make business with you and release the money to you as the next of kin or beneficiary of the funds for safety keeping and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming for it and we don't want this money to go back into Government treasury as unclaimed bill. The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that such money remained after eight years the money will be transferred into banking treasury as unclaimed funds. We agreed that 35% of this money will be for you as foreign partner,while the balance will be for me and my colleagues.I will visit your country for the disbursement according to the percentages indicated above once this money gets into your account.Please be honest to me and trust is our watchword in this transaction. Note this transaction is confidential and risk free.As soon as you receive this mail you should contact me by return mail.Please note that all necessary arrangement for the smooth release of these funds to you has been finalised.We will discuss much in details when I do receive your response. Please if you are interested in this project contact me for further directives. Best regards Mr.David Greene From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 04:23:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B83EA3BF51; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:23:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:23:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0B61_01C7F4C2.545F4130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74360 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:23:12 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0B61_01C7F4C2.545F4130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I thought I would try to bring us back to some more germane list topics, = very particular to looping.=20 For a while last year, my personal website referred to me as a looping = "artist." I was rather proud of that description because of all the = effort I put into using, researching, and promoting looping technology. = However, this year I had second thoughts on referring to myself as a = looping artist. It seemed to me that looping was just one element of my = whole performance approach, but not the defining element. For example, = there were many so called "looping performances", especially those where = I played as a duo or trio, where I made minimal use of looping = technology. Looping technology was just one out of many devices I used = to express myself - but easily over-used in a duo or trio context. And = then I started thinking about looping relative to the concept of genre. = I don't really consider looping a genre, because we have all seen that = there are musicians from many typical genres (jazz, pop, ambient, = experimental, fusion, classical, etc) all using looping technology. Now = that looping technology is so prevalent in the industry, it seems odd to = consider looping a genre...YET, I still feel a strong sense of = attachment and community to this list, a feeling of solidarity that = perhaps one can confound with genre Out of all the lists that I am a = member of, LD is the only one that gets close to a sense of "family" = and class membership. I have deveoped many, many productive and enuring = relationship as a result of this list. Now, I get totally excited to go = to a Y2K event and see many of you in person. It is a powerful = community, and I thank Kim for starting it. Consequently, I don't consider myself a looping artist anymore, but just = a creative performance and composition artist. That seems fitting for = what I do, even though looping technology is most always present in some = degree or another in my work. But because of my passion toward the = technology and this list, I still feel tempted to call myself a looping = artist. And I feel a sense of pride in this when I see other mainstream = and well known artists use looping technology, but only as a gimick or = fleeting effect, vs. somethin that I have really mastered and can use as = a composition tool. We are among the few and proud, but how do we = position ourselves in the music industry? Are we are our own worse = enemies? What sort of influence do we have as a social network? Does = the music industry give a damn about this list? When is the last time = any manufacture has used this list to do user research on a new looping = device? We are a powerful group. Is the industry recognizing us for our = accomplishments? (Granted, that Guitar Mag article on Y2K7 was a NICE = deal). Thoughts? Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: = http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_0B61_01C7F4C2.545F4130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought I would try to bring us back = to some more=20 germane list topics, very particular to looping.
 
For a while last year, my personal = website=20 referred to me as a looping "artist." I was rather proud of that=20 description because of all the effort I put into using, = researching, and=20 promoting looping technology. However, this year I had second thoughts = on=20 referring to myself as a looping artist. It seemed to me that looping = was just=20 one element of my whole performance approach, but not the defining = element. For=20 example, there were many so called "looping performances", = especially those=20 where I played as a duo or trio, where I made minimal use of looping=20 technology.  Looping technology was just one out of many devices I = used to=20 express myself - but easily over-used in a duo or trio context.  = And then I=20 started thinking about looping relative to the concept of genre. I don't = really=20 consider looping a genre, because we have all seen that there are = musicians from=20 many typical genres (jazz, pop, ambient, experimental, fusion, = classical, etc)=20 all using looping technology. Now that looping technology is so = prevalent in the=20 industry, it seems odd to consider looping a genre...YET, I still feel a = strong=20 sense of attachment and community to this list, a feeling of solidarity = that=20 perhaps one can confound with genre Out of all the lists that I am a = member=20 of,  LD is the only one that gets close to a sense of "family" and = class=20 membership.  I have deveoped many, many productive and enuring = relationship=20 as a result of this list. Now, I get totally excited to go to a Y2K = event and=20 see many of you in person. It is a powerful community, and I thank Kim = for=20 starting it.
 
Consequently, I don't consider myself a = looping=20 artist anymore, but just a creative performance and composition artist. = That=20 seems fitting for what I do, even though looping technology is most = always=20 present in some degree or another in my work. But because of my passion = toward=20 the technology and this list, I still feel tempted to call myself a = looping=20 artist.  And I feel a sense of pride in this when I see other = mainstream=20 and well known artists use looping technology, but only as a gimick or = fleeting=20 effect, vs. somethin that I have really mastered and can use as a = composition=20 tool.  We are among the few and proud, but how do we position = ourselves in=20 the music industry? Are we are our own worse enemies? What = sort of=20 influence do we have as a social network?  Does the music industry = give a=20 damn about this list? When is the last time any manufacture has used = this list=20 to do user research on a new looping device? We are a powerful group. Is = the=20 industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? (Granted, that Guitar = Mag=20 article on Y2K7 was a NICE deal).
 
Thoughts?
 
Kris
 
 
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 08:34:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B4333BF54; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:34:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:34:56 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200709120834.l8C8Yu0R022059@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="b_01_80d251c37e7a393c10554ca334c55a55" X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74362 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:34:59 +0000 (UTC) --b_01_80d251c37e7a393c10554ca334c55a55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii">= Message

Krispen,

you talk about quite a few points, and at times I don't get what your qu= estion was (ah yep, it's who uses "looping" in their promo material all rig= ht). So just a few unsorted comments.

What is looping? is it a style? is it not?
This ques= tion starts off with some very philosophical questions, part of which we've= already treated here in a slightly different context asking "are effects a= n instrument?". And following the result of this discussion, I see looping = (or rather the looper) as something of an in-between of an effect (i.e. som= ething you use to modify stuff which you've put from thought to sound using= another tool - like a guitar) and an instrument. And if you stay with the = instrument comparison, I'd like to make the comparison with a trapset: for = some loopers, the looper is as important in his "meta-instrument" (consisti= ng of his actual instrument, the looper and the other effects) as the snare= drum while for others it plays the role of the ship's bell.

Sooo...looping is one of the many tools in your toolbox for creating sou= nd (just like the guitar or the ring modulator), and if it is one of the mo= re important elements, you should mention it, just like somebody might ment= ion that he is a guitarist.

Looping is not a style or a fixed set of style, although it lends itself= to some styles and the use of (realtime or prerecorded) loops is a central= element in many styles (as using an electric guitar is for heavy metal).

Using the word "looping" in promo material
Always us= e in your promo material what will boost your sales the most. This does not= have anything to do whether you consider yourself a looping artist or if y= ou actually master looping or if it's important to your work. If it will bo= ost sales - mention it! Will mention of looping boost sales? I don't know.<= /P>

Attachment to the looping community
I don't see how = this should affect how you see yourself or if it should effect your use of = the "L" word in promo material. Give credit where due (see e.g. my website = or my video interview), but I wouldn't stress this issue too much. I don't = call myself a gearslut in my promo material, either.

How the industry perceives LD and its input
I can th= ink of a few products that took input from LD: the EDP (most complex "= vintage" HW looper), Looperlative (most complex current HW looper), Mobius = (most complex SW looper/Windows platform) and AugustusLoop (most complex SW= looper/Mac platform). It seemed to me that in the early days, so did the R= epeater project (I had a few deep discussions with their lead engineer, and= it's funny to see that obviously all of my wishes from way before the rele= ase of the Repeater finally made their way into software 2.0).

Is the industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? Let me play devi= l's advocate and ask: what are (from the industry's pov) are exactly our ac= complishments?

--b_01_80d251c37e7a393c10554ca334c55a55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Krispen,=0Ayou talk about quite a few points, and at times I don't get what= your question was (ah yep, it's who uses "looping" in their promo material= all right). So just a few unsorted comments.=0AWhat is looping? is it a st= yle? is it not?=0AThis question starts off with some very philosophical que= stions, part of which we've already treated here in a slightly different co= ntext asking "are effects an instrument?". And following the result of this= discussion, I see looping (or rather the looper) as something of an in-bet= ween of an effect (i.e. something you use to modify stuff which you've put = from thought to sound using another tool - like a guitar) and an instrument= . And if you stay with the instrument comparison, I'd like to make the comp= arison with a trapset: for some loopers, the looper is as important in his = "meta-instrument" (consisting of his actual instrument, the looper and the = other effects) as the snare drum while for others it plays the role of the = ship's bell.=0ASooo...looping is one of the many tools in your toolbox for = creating sound (just like the guitar or the ring modulator), and if it is o= ne of the more important elements, you should mention it, just like somebod= y might mention that he is a guitarist.=0ALooping is not a style or a fixed= set of style, although it lends itself to some styles and the use of (real= time or prerecorded) loops is a central element in many styles (as using an= electric guitar is for heavy metal).=0AUsing the word "looping" in promo m= aterial=0AAlways use in your promo material what will boost your sales the = most. This does not have anything to do whether you consider yourself a loo= ping artist or if you actually master looping or if it's important to your = work. If it will boost sales - mention it! Will mention of looping boost sa= les? I don't know.=0AAttachment to the looping community=0AI don't see how = this should affect how you see yourself or if it should effect your use of = the "L" word in promo material. Give credit where due (see e.g. my website = or my video interview), but I wouldn't stress this issue too much. I don't = call myself a gearslut in my promo material, either.=0AHow the industry per= ceives LD and its input=0AI can think of a few products that took input fro= m LD: the EDP (most complex "vintage" HW looper), Looperlative (most comple= x current HW looper), Mobius (most complex SW looper/Windows platform) and = AugustusLoop (most complex SW looper/Mac platform). It seemed to me that in= the early days, so did the Repeater project (I had a few deep discussions = with their lead engineer, and it's funny to see that obviously all of my wi= shes from way before the release of the Repeater finally made their way int= o software 2.0).=0AIs the industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? = Let me play devil's advocate and ask: what are (from the industry's pov) ar= e exactly our accomplishments?=0A=0A --b_01_80d251c37e7a393c10554ca334c55a55-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 08:40:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6DCD13BF43; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xtsk6dYnQg0fsDTEfQszi0td/I0TBX21pvXVpH0fpkY=; b=TEmw5eHRWJ4ffTqSHj0lI//aPm/5NUxnAIbB4yNV8aKAR9KM0kyUZNoPOb+6HknyBjZw6ie+1RP9lsFHj4xFQ5cGEd4+58yhBf/4wz0S+zuqtYzWkjasoccohlRUBvqpqTxzhIxRmTtgkJ66fMVNAa2e2sYhHizoQkNFt6hpUvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YGQ9H5MSKaUsoZZek78L5Zqm5Zf3GGkT9Ivh/s1FFs3ITL1eBUHnNebK4KOuL8t1gF5J1uffvOCqnrDubnZGApKQULf71Aotk7PYrQcfNG4knJbcI0ruZjIriCOIGtykmsxwPRx3E/36yGsKASi2W5IEcXlZAor6gfOFZQKFcHg= In-Reply-To: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:40:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74363 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:40:30 +0000 (UTC) On 12 sep 2007, at 06.23, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Consequently, I don't consider myself a looping artist anymore, but > just a creative performance and composition artist. That seems > fitting for what I do, even though looping technology is most > always present in some degree or another in my work. But because of > my passion toward the technology and this list, I still feel > tempted to call myself a looping artist. And I feel a sense of > pride in this when I see other mainstream and well known artists > use looping technology, but only as a gimick or fleeting effect, > vs. somethin that I have really mastered and can use as a > composition tool. We are among the few and proud, but how do we > position ourselves in the music industry? Great that you brought up this discussion again! At some point every creative artist has to pass the line where it matters more what others think you are doing then what you think that you are doing. After all, it's the audience that listen to the noise you're making. You can work hard on educating the masses but people will still keep their own views regarding your music. The more you play out in public the less it matters whatever you consider yourself being - you will get "dubbed" in media as "a looping artist" or "a jazz guitarist" or something else. For musicians that play, or plan to play, professionally this is a constant issue - not unlike "branding" in other businesses. My own view is to use the term "looping artist" on the same descriptive level as for example "a guitar playing artist", "a dancing artist" or "singing artist". But all of these epithets are in my opinion secondary to the major focus that has to do what kind of music you are in fact creating. Genre. I also regard "philosophical" aspects at a higher descriptive level than the tools used (looping device, piano, electronics, drum etc). I this category go things like "extreme attitude", "political agenda" or real-time interaction with the audience or the musical processes related to composing and performing (this is where looping may come in). As you're saying, in this community we tend to place much more emphasis on the use of looping in music making, compared to average listeners. You also mentioned "the industry" and this "the industry" is pretty equivalent to "average listeners" because those are the people the industry is working for (selling them the music as a product). Or rather, "the music industry" stands for the expectations on what the average listener will perceive the music as. I prefer to simply call my own music "Instrumental Music". Eventually stating that it is "cross-over" and naming "Nu-Jazz" and "Minimal" as related genres. I don't even mention, on this highest level of abstraction, that it's improvised, since improvised or composed doesn't matter for how the average listener hears and perceives the music. If asked for a closer description of what I'm doing, I might says "multi lateral improvisation" and if needed follow that up with something like: "In jazz it is common that one musician improvises lead themes over a fixed chord structure background played by other musicians. In my music the same musician, or musicians, typically improvises both the lead themes and the chord structures at the same time. This multi lateral improvisation is made possible by advanced live-looping techniques. It is a very intuitive way of creating music." I keep even more detailed descriptions handy, that goes into the nature of psychedelic music and deals with shared human archetypes regarding gestures and time... (SNIP! Off Topic Intelligence intervention) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 08:47:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 656F23BF58; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [90.192.59.69] X-Originating-Email: [simeonharris@hotmail.com] X-Sender: simeonharris@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C96B3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> From: "simeon harris" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:47:28 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2007 08:47:32.0995 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F443D30:01C7F519] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74364 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:47:34 +0000 (UTC) >but you knew she started out as a looping artist, right? before she had >a band..... she first appeared on british tv about three or four years >ago, using an akai headrush. the thing was the star of her blog at the >time, though shortly afterwards she put a band together to make her >first album. actually this isn't strictly true...she was in a band called Red Light Stylus in the late 90's, early 00's (i know this because they supported my band in London a couple of times). she then got a publishing deal and disappeared off the radar for a bit and then resurfaced with the material that ended up on her first album. she did some solo looping shows around that time (the Jools Holland Late Show was the nationally broadcast one here in the UK), but her band was already together by this point i think (minus the electric guitarist - this spot was filled later by the guitarist from RLS i think). don't quote me on that though... sim _________________________________________________________________ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge http://www.backofmyhand.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 09:41:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 784583BF58; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E7C2DF.3010105@imt.net> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:43:43 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: synthdiy , loopers delight Subject: a few ricochetdream montana gathering photos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74365 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:41:28 +0000 (UTC) On my sounddoctorin.com site. Go down to 'some photos of interest' From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 12:23:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 32D253BF4A; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:23:00 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ad01c7f537$a8805ea0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1GJdQpDt18iXyTVKnJLa08UbBJwAI/DGw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74366 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Per, I like the "Nu-Jazz" term - I am generally at a total loss to describe what I do in any meaningful way. I would use "avant-garde", but that's so old-fashioned! - and also implies "difficult", as in Laurie Anderson's "Difficult Music Hour" (pull up that straight-backed chair, button up your collar, and suffer) while I believe a lot of what I do is fairly accessible. We all do different things, and the variety of music at Y2Kn is always impressive. Yet, at the risk of oversimplifying, I would proffer that there seem to be some common *tendencies*: - a higher degree of free-form improv than in most other communities, including jazz - a focus more on sound textures and effects than in most other "genres", if this is a genre - musical structures that, at least in sections, have characteristics that loops are especially good at: gradual evolution over a repetitive base. This involves the listener (when they do become involved) in a more "trance-like" experience than is typical in more... um... frenetic? Rapidly changing? - I don't know the right way to say it - music. - a tendency towards polytonality (a creative device somewhat necessitated/facilitated by the fact that you're trying to create interest over a background that may be, in a sense, static) Just an approximation, of course. I look forward to more of this discussion. As far as the audience, I don't know if anyone cares. It's hard to get anyone to come out to music that's not dance or bar band music if you're not well-known regardless of what you call it, unless perhaps you have a brilliant publicist and photos of nearly-naked girls involved. That's one reason why the festivals are so cool - it makes for a real event instead of just another performance by another unknown. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:29:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1058F3BF4E; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=BiYKh4lXVAI4XpgTm08Q1BYaeQy7U2x8KgdtNy4j0fc=; b=n7EUDCcoMVXhQ/iEAy1YdxzX1aIMlcITMmFkuvuTPAiQLPcOpeDy5OlXVJsxc53HDmEMIWsk3gtPVMpl001u22H8pUV2GzSJD1wmRFCoPkwpn9aFkJ30aFDvNmY+vl1TUa8yvl1X02ebnRUZzxAML5tM77NORV1VozDjRJbzRDo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=J4sGccJ4WWalhBYrGCHuGRfRxIJtZzsfF+18Lu3U6sjbN4yXw2zmnSmGdj6HVQjL1Jw24zkgpsItp8NbtxJI9hDMlEmX5RDy8GuTC6GUSNdqq6IQ1TdZyChxQCmdVTWSfEb7bqv4+hO/08oxwJBpoXuNWmMUBErVlTQqr4M9yGs= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709120629ge46b59av93757b5cfd7d8560@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:29:36 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? + JDRF announce... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18751_32773029.1189603776096" Resent-Message-ID: <5DeYJ.A.AvH.Dn-5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74367 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:29:40 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18751_32773029.1189603776096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I almost concur - not that I don't value what I do as an "artist" a term that always strikes me a bit pretenious wondering when we went from "musicians" to "artists" which has seemed more in vogue in this current chapter of my marketing. Anyhow again I do think how we toot our horn is important as if we don't who will sort of but in trying to describe original music if it's not the "norm" of which Warren refers to I think it's very hard to find people who have the patience to really get it. In this chapter of my music which I target beginning as far as marketing goes around 1996 (though several other musical chapters before) I've gone from being a devote Michael Hedges influence and Celtic melodies cat to more experimental and "new music" in the last couple of years. Trying to express it all gets to be quite a task and in marketing Chinapainting we're such an almagmation of genres and influences that one comes full circle in these terms. In the end it's all music and they either get it and like it or respect it or don't have the patience and move on. For my money when they "get it" it often feels like they've just given me the greatest gift... *if I may switch gears and may repost this announce but my daughter Callie (11 years) is a Type 1 diabetic now since April 6 2005. Each September she and my family take part in the JDRF Walks for the Cure, participating and promoting one of the one's here in New York which takes place on Sunday September 30th. * Last year we as a family raised $5000 for the work of JDRF which will hopefully one day lead towards having the 4 to 5 needle injections plus 4 to 6 fingerstick blood sugar tests banished from her life. This year we're hoping to pass that mark by. If you would be interested in donating to JDRF and supporting our family in this event it would be greatly appreciated and please forgive me grandstanding on this list a bit about this but as in promoting music the same exists here. To donate on-line goto... https://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=walk.supportwalker&walkerid=86727903 To donate by check, make the checks out as follows... JDRF or Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation in the *Memo field of the check please put, Callie Goodin #86727903.* Mail to... JDRF New York Chapter 432 Park Avenue South, 15th Floor New York, NY 10016 Thanks to all and best with your muse.... Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.jimgoodinmusic.com On 9/12/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > As far as the audience, I don't know if anyone cares. It's hard to get > anyone to come out to music that's not dance or bar band music if you're > not > well-known regardless of what you call it, unless perhaps you have a > brilliant publicist and photos of nearly-naked girls involved. That's one > reason why the festivals are so cool - it makes for a real event instead > of > just another performance by another unknown. > > Warren > > > ------=_Part_18751_32773029.1189603776096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I almost concur - not that I don't value what I do as an "artist" a term that always strikes me a bit pretenious wondering when we went from "musicians" to "artists" which has seemed more in vogue in this current chapter of my marketing.  Anyhow again I do think how we toot our horn is important as if we don't who will sort of but in trying to describe original music if it's not the "norm" of which Warren refers to I think it's very hard to find people who have the patience to really get it.
 
In this chapter of my music which I target beginning as far as marketing goes around 1996 (though several other musical chapters before) I've gone from being a devote Michael Hedges influence and Celtic melodies cat to more experimental and "new music" in the last couple of years.  Trying to express it all gets to be quite a task and in marketing Chinapainting we're such an almagmation of genres and influences that one comes full circle in these terms.  In the end it's all music and they either get it and like it or respect it or don't have the patience and move on.
 
For my money when they "get it" it often feels like they've just given me the greatest gift...
 
if I may switch gears and may repost this announce but my daughter Callie (11 years) is a  Type 1 diabetic now since April 6 2005.  Each September she and my family take part in the JDRF Walks for the Cure, participating and promoting one of the one's here in New York which takes place on Sunday September 30th.
 
Last year we as a family raised $5000 for the work of JDRF which will hopefully one day lead towards having the 4 to 5 needle injections plus 4 to 6 fingerstick blood sugar tests banished from her life.  This year we're hoping to pass that mark by.
 
If you would be interested in donating to JDRF and supporting our family in this event it would be greatly appreciated and please forgive me grandstanding on this list a bit about this but as in promoting music the same exists here.
 
To donate on-line goto...

To donate by check, make the checks out as follows...

JDRF or Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation in the Memo field of the check please put, Callie Goodin #86727903.  Mail to...

JDRF
New York Chapter
432 Park Avenue South, 15th Floor
New York, NY  10016
Thanks to all and best with your muse....
 

 
On 9/12/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com > wrote:

As far as the audience, I don't know if anyone cares. It's hard to get
anyone to come out to music that's not dance or bar band music if you're not
well-known regardless of what you call it, unless perhaps you have a
brilliant publicist and photos of nearly-naked girls involved. That's one
reason why the festivals are so cool - it makes for a real event instead of
just another performance by another unknown.

Warren



------=_Part_18751_32773029.1189603776096-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:31:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 319AE3BF5E; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:31:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ffQhCLXwRX/5qZfTbgoGdLtW08EYMqMCrhMYuYCLH2g=; b=fLQ0WUYx2wPGHAL/LL0i5B8C56oIUgKQJQ3gmj6EBArtSYPhjJf0VdGiJwvvzNDFYDNuyWFFMb9OeNm9RlXPr9KuUw/BcfaicKFJTaokNxkGboZRDpSBHoEPzuFxJCVxOG6NVV5BbRzAwfPtPMoLPLE900dPhLECvV7ihPUr7Zw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DaOS0diKNwfbRuNcI/ZR9LzZkk9EkY67814LHhE5CXQLTpY4dK6rZ2/RBgpb3krtPGcI4gcEjGoJrUin0p0l8bpig2VJSqC+hp/sSKBYQidEe5m2S9vNpipTWq1ZWlhM3k7KMAzIjZb+E8PzD9hcp15HHVXN4TY1rZIB/JncsoM= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709120631s4cfca666l13d2b4d732282b39@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:31:07 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: cd psd files(Jim?) In-Reply-To: <517685.25714.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18762_23568750.1189603867230" References: <517685.25714.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74368 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:31:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_18762_23568750.1189603867230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Luis forgive busy weekend and this got minimized will really try to do this today... J On 9/11/07, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Hi Jim, > Did you get a chance to post the CD templates you were > talking about? > cheers > Luis > ------=_Part_18762_23568750.1189603867230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Luis forgive busy weekend and this got minimized will really try to do this today...
 
J

 
On 9/11/07, L.A. Angulo <labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jim,
Did you get a chance to post the CD templates you were
talking about?
cheers
Luis
------=_Part_18762_23568750.1189603867230-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:44:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 27BD23BF67; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <00ad01c7f537$a8805ea0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> In-Reply-To: <00ad01c7f537$a8805ea0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 06:45:07 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf1GJdQpDt18iXyTVKnJLa08UbBJwAI/DGwAAEZMBA= Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Def4e0b1b00006124.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <1XHr4D.A.ab.Z1-5GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74369 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:44:58 +0000 (UTC) I have great admiration for the LD community of artists. It's a great source of inspiration for me. And inspiration has to sustain my musical cravings until I can build more skills to perform what I have in my mind. So at this point, I read this thread , not as a looping musician, but as a lover of the kinds of creativity demonstrated here. It seems to me that one of the primary functions of looping is to introduce rhythmic elements - of many forms (glitches, or long repeated ideas, etc). (delay - one of the most common and rhythmic FX - can be a form of looping, I think.) I also see looping as a multi-media performance capability, a way for the artist to keep something going so he can be free to introduce other ideas without requiring additional musicians. Its a way to introduce found sounds and weird noise in a creative sonic expression. And not always limited to music or audio. So I don't see looping as a genre, but I see many artists utilize this wonderful capability, including video artists, performance artists, experimental artists, computer artists. Oh well, I'm just babbling now... bye! -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 13:54:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7E42C3BF6B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:54:45 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? In-reply-to: <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <010601c7f544$7ce4f730$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1GJdQpDt18iXyTVKnJLa08UbBJwAI/DGwAAEZMBAAAMAN4A== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74370 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:54:54 +0000 (UTC) One more thought: although I'm not yet sure if anyone agrees that this community is characterized by at least a leaning towards free improv, it seems to me that having a looper is a way to give spontaneous structure to free improvisations, which tends to give them a focus that "straight" (ha) or pure free improvs might lack (at least in the hands of non-prodigal artists like myself). That's why I think the combination of loops and free improv is such a compelling proposition. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:18:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BAE963BF64; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bc201c7f547$be9271a0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <200709120834.l8C8Yu0R022059@post.webmailer.de> Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:18:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0BBF_01C7F515.72CAF350" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74371 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:18:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0BBF_01C7F515.72CAF350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill=20 [snip] > Sooo...looping is one of the many tools in your toolbox for creating = sound (just like the guitar or the ring modulator), and if it is one of = the more important elements, you should mention it, just like somebody = might mention that he is a guitarist. Agreed that it is one of many tools. I'm just still grappling with = whether it necessary to mention the tool. I am a guitarist, first and = foremost. I use a lot of tools: max/msp, Reaktor, many patches, a volume = pedal, etc, etc. I don't call myself a Live Reaktor Artists or a Volume = Pedal Artist. My loop patch is just one of many things I use. Now, = granted, I use the tool a lot (about 80% of the time), but such is also = the case with max/msp (100% of the time)...it is on at all times and at = least one max patch is running at all times. So, I agree with all of our = original discussions where we said that you can indeed treat a piece of = software, VST effect, etc as an instrument. That was a great discussion = and very insightful. But for me, those instruments are still "second = string", next to the guitar, which is my primary instrument feeding all = of this work. For me, my line of thinking for the time being (it can = always change), is that perhaps a different critieria, other than an = effect or hardware device is being used as an instrument, is required to = incorporate the descriptor of that gear in my artist title. It's a = little similar the controversy in biology around the definition of life. = Not remembering the complicated descriptions (as it has been over 10 = years since I was a biology major), I do recall something about the = entity (cell, structure, etc), having to be self-sufficient or be able = to surive on its own in principle as an adult. In that mode of thought, = when I play, my looping and effect tools are not self-sufficient. They = require me to play the guitar to get them to work. I don't show up for = a gig with only my looping tools and effects, but either my guitar or my = voice.=20 > Is the industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? Let me play = devil's advocate and ask: what are (from the industry's pov) are exactly = our accomplishments? For staters, many looping festivals around the world; countless = looping CDs, a lot of promo, articles in magazines, many videos, blogs, = etc. That's a hell of a lot. It's quite amazing, actually. Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0BBF_01C7F515.72CAF350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
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> Sooo...looping is one of the many = tools in=20 your toolbox for creating sound (just like the guitar or the ring = modulator),=20 and if it is one of the more important elements, you should mention = it, just=20 like somebody might mention that he is a guitarist.
 
Agreed that it is one of many tools. = I'm just=20 still grappling with whether it necessary to mention the tool. I am a=20 guitarist, first and foremost. I use a lot of tools: max/msp, Reaktor, = many=20 patches, a volume pedal, etc, etc. I don't call myself a Live Reaktor = Artists=20 or a Volume Pedal Artist. My loop patch is just one of many things I = use. Now,=20 granted, I use the tool a lot (about 80% of the time), but such is = also the=20 case with max/msp (100% of the time)...it is on at all times and at = least one=20 max patch is running at all times. So, I agree with all of our = original=20 discussions where we said that you can indeed treat a piece of = software, VST=20 effect, etc as an instrument. That was a great discussion and very = insightful.=20 But for me, those instruments are still "second string", next to the = guitar,=20 which is my primary instrument feeding all of this work. For me, my = line of=20 thinking for the time being (it can always change), is that perhaps a=20 different critieria, other than an effect or hardware device is being = used as=20 an instrument, is required to incorporate the descriptor of that gear = in my=20 artist title. It's a little similar the controversy in = biology=20 around the definition of life. Not remembering the complicated = descriptions=20 (as it has been over 10 years since I was a biology major), I do = recall=20 something about the entity (cell, structure, etc), having to be=20 self-sufficient or be able to surive on its own in principle as an = adult. In=20 that mode of thought, when I play, my looping and effect tools are not = self-sufficient. They require me to play  the guitar to get them = to work.=20 I don't show up for a gig with only my looping tools and effects, but = either=20 my guitar or my voice.

> Is the industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? Let me = play=20 devil's advocate and ask: what are (from the industry's pov) are = exactly our=20 accomplishments?

For staters, many looping festivals = around the=20 world; countless looping CDs, a lot of promo, articles in magazines, = many=20 videos, blogs, etc. That's a hell of a lot. It's quite amazing,=20 actually.

Kris


 

------=_NextPart_000_0BBF_01C7F515.72CAF350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:26:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 860C43BF6F; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070912102606.c1lgvhdbs0k8kogc@www.wightman.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:26:06 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? References: <00ad01c7f537$a8805ea0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> In-Reply-To: <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74372 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:26:09 +0000 (UTC) I think I would concur completely with Qua. I tend to stay away from calling myself a looping musician or artist as it would suggest very different things to whoever reads that. Style wise, my music is more structured than many of the musicians here and has a great deal of traditional celtic elements to it. So the way I usually put it is that I'm combining tradional instruments with modern electronics to create rhythmic or textured accompaniment or background (loops). Creating loops to play against or with has opened up whole new avenues of creativity for me as I've begun to explore more improve type of playing. I have a great deal of respect for this community and enjoy being a part of it as I find what the others are doing exciting and inspiring for my own work. Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:26:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 79D533BF7D; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:26:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bda01c7f548$f92b1870$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <010601c7f544$7ce4f730$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:26:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74373 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:26:58 +0000 (UTC) That is a good question. I know a lot of us free improvisors tend to speak up a lot here, yet I don't know if that represents the actual demographics. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > One more thought: although I'm not yet sure if anyone agrees that this > community is characterized by at least a leaning towards free improv, it > seems to me that having a looper is a way to give spontaneous structure to > free improvisations, which tends to give them a focus that "straight" (ha) > or pure free improvs might lack (at least in the hands of non-prodigal > artists like myself). That's why I think the combination of loops and free > improv is such a compelling proposition. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:27:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 112693BF85; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070912092752.h4w9g04dw8o8wgo0@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:27:52 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Computer speakers References: <46E74D45.80908@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <46E74D45.80908@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74374 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:27:59 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Joshua Rothhaas : > Can computer speakers be used as an amp with the RC-50? The RC-50 produces a line-level output -- if you are referring to active (powered) speakers, then you could use them with an RC-50. The RC-50's headphone output has sufficient power to drive headphones and it may drive small (as in tiny) speakers... however to get enough volume you would need to use active speakers. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:31:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 989C83BF45; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=dA3bAdEfqFF74vbgHUutNQuRMCKdIpQopxk4QrgdquM=; b=g1ppA26Ib/lZM/zIpQ4Y5cy7pHto2LnqbMzZ5jrEMDlzL/MFFP5OlHC0XDHZxqrk75gA2LLOSUl4R34wZHWqb+W1dCcDurt8Bt2ciSEF8NyA7hzfEJ35s5o6jIZGtBGae+Wk9eumnTpBPi4st/aGPWBxZ5Nf2GVTVhUNBdccFNc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Hcou2WlkVSEu1oWM0ZYaFa1sNe/Ql3kmnzuDWVjlpwKKoPZgfNMlcMIsRXSQNQCyI/PUG15T3D0uFraZGmwkFW8Ct0iillKfYSftRKmpLYQr2leUK70h2BNowP9/Gsei4fvH6UjNwmfC1pvTfUamlLMzBVsQAkDNjuqSbSnEDzo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> References: <00ad01c7f537$a8805ea0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> <000001c7f543$21ccc3b0$65664b10$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <95566631-6ACF-4CDB-9DE2-43422369BBA5@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:31:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74375 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:31:44 +0000 (UTC) On 12 sep 2007, at 15.45, Qua Veda wrote: > It seems to me that one of the primary functions of looping is to > introduce > rhythmic elements - of many forms (glitches, or long repeated > ideas, etc). > (delay - one of the most common and rhythmic FX - can be a form of > looping, > I think.) I also see looping as a multi-media performance > capability, a way > for the artist to keep something going so he can be free to > introduce other > ideas without requiring additional musicians. Its a way to > introduce found > sounds and weird noise in a creative sonic expression. So true, all three examples. I do represent a fourth kind of looping: Instantly creating many parts in an orchestrated arrangement of music. As opposed to being restricted to play only one part at a time on top of "the background") you can use looping as "a musical juggling tool"; ie changing many parts at the same time, the same way a painter may start out with a quick drawing and then fill in different colors and shadows here and there all over the canvas. On 12 sep 2007, at 15.54, Warren Sirota wrote: > One more thought: although I'm not yet sure if anyone agrees that this > community is characterized by at least a leaning towards free > improv, it > seems to me that having a looper is a way to give spontaneous > structure to > free improvisations, which tends to give them a focus that > "straight" (ha) > or pure free improvs might lack (at least in the hands of non-prodigal > artists like myself). That's why I think the combination of loops > and free > improv is such a compelling proposition. Yes, I definitely agree to that. Well said! But I think the "real tools" actually are imaginary, no matter if you apply it to solo looping or group improvisation. Actually, and this is pretty funny, when improvising non-looping musicians tend to sound good they are in fact playing a bit like looping devices!!! ;-) When I first encountered the EDP I was amazed by how well its design (Loop3) implemented the mental tools improvising ensemble musicians use to visualize direction, pace and transition inside the group improvisation, in order to play well in the context. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:40:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 209013BF93; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:40:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 592506121 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C9B79@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: KT TUNSTALL LOOPING AT APPLE KEYNOTE PRESENTATION Thread-Index: Acf1SuMJFznXm6oGQtK5UPxhmlXfAg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2007 14:40:39.0502 (UTC) FILETIME=[E368A6E0:01C7F54A] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74376 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:40:41 +0000 (UTC) >>she was in a band called Red Light Stylus in the late 90's, early 00's [snip] disappeared off the radar for a bit and then resurfaced with the material that ended up on her first album. she did some solo looping shows around that time [snip] but her band was already together by this point<< thanks simeon. saved us a trip to the land of wiki! :-) anyway, it was definitely a headrush. d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 14:59:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198263BF95; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:59:16 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? In-reply-to: <0bda01c7f548$f92b1870$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <013a01c7f54d$7dd7cc90$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1SP3t5mZoIVErTwOpzmwnvQv/oQABAQQQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74377 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC) And, by the way, it is my perception that the loopers who enter the mainstream consciousness in any way are never free improvisors - the "public" (gosh I'm using a lot of quoted words today) has never seemed to care much for that form approach. Not surprising, really. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:27 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? That is a good question. I know a lot of us free improvisors tend to speak up a lot here, yet I don't know if that represents the actual demographics. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:00:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57FBC3BF92; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=GiXVVTSP8SDtHg5Cepl5IlhgypNV7H6MM8ntOqOohtQ=; b=jsp8AmWCMpr/hkHUuuKP2jxpFCJUb6jd6NEjpQ2u90J/7anfy27J76uWsJg5J2b8yjcM7WY+7M4sj34TpvQfucopEbuRSn9Zc3AgFaQuVq9SrJwY0zh2+XIuZiuRSpXKHtdCf1hjH6/Z41UAzKLNdmkcjlmRJzKtWgabuNzTMiw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=m+Dvv/9NDOVCLVrGYc/xYc0KGetZQ98ger3xFysJDWP9W9zb5hAiH0mrQC9s5Ao4hom2H+hasYo5qbUj372jvddHWbNbzK0Cn/8Oyce3eYOQUV/uxtd5hwPOk2Df1NXblQ+HXJfFlYxS4qd9AOCrv8/oUN9ZAaLu6stWYYnoFNQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF94D@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <20070911191914.531333BF3F@arsenic.violacea.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DF94D@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: electrix announcement posted today Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:00:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74378 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:00:55 +0000 (UTC) > http://www.electrixpro.com/vr_press.pdf I think the VRP will be the perfect partner to MainStage! http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/mainstage/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:11:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 136293BF7C; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:11:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=eTfOq70BWKOnfdD2/XipFlw0X9yXGd6Q//XX/JsWozc=; b=DBQiEmB9DFFvVQ1uP4F3CzdMUfW1em4DhqyIPButY5gKzPHuZ2kb4vl5nSODTJ8KL3S12qGKmAiwvFzd4PTQaMnbEhnIrToHX8xF1UnOKhwBJx4RZ6Kv4M3OCmTqBiSoQM++I38Om6K7e6uhSt367OByiNJiFBbrn+RHkltP7EE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=g3py+te9lF+AlysYSo4n4rfzHKxfCr533DahGMGl3e1R5s/+JiQpkXNyioAldILggC8I3DLhyyAxq4W6cZrSikTKgFOttBMp7AEEfHi8n7b7xuM2TaoJO04jbYLtHMNY75AkpvfLUxYDcez6YGPGUIH5eeV7mk6j65hJctDap3o= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709120811k2c304bebm58dbad3b229c3beb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:11:26 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22634_21893560.1189609886728" Resent-Message-ID: <5w1kDB.A.6bE.gGA6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74379 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:11:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_22634_21893560.1189609886728 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I posted this earlier and it looked like it didn't, forgive if redundant. Some waxing of my 2cents and more importantly words about Juvenile Diabetes... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jim Goodin Date: Sep 12, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? + JDRF announce... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com I almost concur - not that I don't value what I do as an "artist" a term that always strikes me a bit pretenious wondering when we went from "musicians" to "artists" which has seemed more in vogue in this current chapter of my marketing. Anyhow again I do think how we toot our horn is important as if we don't who will sort of but in trying to describe original music if it's not the "norm" of which Warren refers to I think it's very hard to find people who have the patience to really get it. In this chapter of my music which I target beginning as far as marketing goes around 1996 (though several other musical chapters before) I've gone from being a devote Michael Hedges influence and Celtic melodies cat to more experimental and "new music" in the last couple of years. Trying to express it all gets to be quite a task and in marketing Chinapainting we're such an almagmation of genres and influences that one comes full circle in these terms. In the end it's all music and they either get it and like it or respect it or don't have the patience and move on. For my money when they "get it" it often feels like they've just given me the greatest gift... *if I may switch gears and may repost this announce but my daughter Callie (11 years) is a Type 1 diabetic now since April 6 2005. Each September she and my family take part in the JDRF Walks for the Cure, participating and promoting one of the one's here in New York which takes place on Sunday September 30th. * Last year we as a family raised $5000 for the work of JDRF which will hopefully one day lead towards having the 4 to 5 needle injections plus 4 to 6 fingerstick blood sugar tests banished from her life. This year we're hoping to pass that mark by. If you would be interested in donating to JDRF and supporting our family in this event it would be greatly appreciated and please forgive me grandstanding on this list a bit about this but as in promoting music the same exists here. To donate on-line goto... https://walk.jdrf.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=walk.supportwalker&walkerid=86727903 To donate by check, make the checks out as follows... JDRF or Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation in the *Memo field of the check please put, Callie Goodin #86727903.* Mail to... JDRF New York Chapter 432 Park Avenue South, 15th Floor New York, NY 10016 Thanks to all and best with your muse.... Jim www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.jimgoodinmusic.com On 9/12/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > > > As far as the audience, I don't know if anyone cares. It's hard to get > anyone to come out to music that's not dance or bar band music if you're > not > well-known regardless of what you call it, unless perhaps you have a > brilliant publicist and photos of nearly-naked girls involved. That's one > reason why the festivals are so cool - it makes for a real event instead > of > just another performance by another unknown. > > Warren ------=_Part_22634_21893560.1189609886728 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
I posted this earlier and it looked like it didn't, forgive if redundant.  Some waxing of my 2cents and more importantly words about Juvenile Diabetes...

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jim Goodin <jimgoodinmusic@gmail.com>
Date: Sep 12, 2007 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? + JDRF announce...
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com

 
I almost concur - not that I don't value what I do as an "artist" a term that always strikes me a bit pretenious wondering when we went from "musicians" to "artists" which has seemed more in vogue in this current chapter of my marketing.  Anyhow again I do think how we toot our horn is important as if we don't who will sort of but in trying to describe original music if it's not the "norm" of which Warren refers to I think it's very hard to find people who have the patience to really get it.
 
In this chapter of my music which I target beginning as far as marketing goes around 1996 (though several other musical chapters before) I've gone from being a devote Michael Hedges influence and Celtic melodies cat to more experimental and "new music" in the last couple of years.  Trying to express it all gets to be quite a task and in marketing Chinapainting we're such an almagmation of genres and influences that one comes full circle in these terms.  In the end it's all music and they either get it and like it or respect it or don't have the patience and move on.
 
For my money when they "get it" it often feels like they've just given me the greatest gift...
 
if I may switch gears and may repost this announce but my daughter Callie (11 years) is a  Type 1 diabetic now since April 6 2005.  Each September she and my family take part in the JDRF Walks for the Cure, participating and promoting one of the one's here in New York which takes place on Sunday September 30th.
 
Last year we as a family raised $5000 for the work of JDRF which will hopefully one day lead towards having the 4 to 5 needle injections plus 4 to 6 fingerstick blood sugar tests banished from her life.  This year we're hoping to pass that mark by.
 
If you would be interested in donating to JDRF and supporting our family in this event it would be greatly appreciated and please forgive me grandstanding on this list a bit about this but as in promoting music the same exists here.
 
To donate on-line goto...

To donate by check, make the checks out as follows...

JDRF or Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation in the Memo field of the check please put, Callie Goodin #86727903.  Mail to...

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Thanks to all and best with your muse....
 

 
On 9/12/07, Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com > wrote:

As far as the audience, I don't know if anyone cares. It's hard to get
anyone to come out to music that's not dance or bar band music if you're not
well-known regardless of what you call it, unless perhaps you have a
brilliant publicist and photos of nearly-naked girls involved. That's one
reason why the festivals are so cool - it makes for a real event instead of
just another performance by another unknown.

Warren
------=_Part_22634_21893560.1189609886728-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 15:44:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F15F3BF8A; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:44:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:44:10 EDT Subject: OT can you help me out? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd5.197362ff.3419634a_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74380 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:44:19 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd5.197362ff.3419634a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit an old friend of mine asked me to help him in finding out what this fellow is doing.....is this some dropped d tuning or what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Ls2VSDLsM thnaks mucho.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd5.197362ff.3419634a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable an old friend of mine asked me to help=20= him in finding out what this fellow is doing.....is this some dropped d tuni= ng or what?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx2Ls2VSDLsM
thnaks mucho.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11




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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd5.197362ff.3419634a_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:18:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0466E3BF8B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F558.7BF5F417" Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:17:58 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D795@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Thread-Index: Acf09KG4dLCukia4TMOLTknIKOJp6QAWjz0g From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74381 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:18:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F558.7BF5F417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Man, being a "looper" is like another instrument. Unless you are a looper...nobody really cares. They just pay their money for the show and most of the time the regular Joe and Jane doesn't even realize you are looping because they spend most of their time at the bottom of a 12oz bottle or glass or whatever and milling about with their friends. =20 I put a lot of loop demos and live loop cuts up on my myspace even though I have a CD out that has zero looping on it. Is that the right way to do it?...I dunno. Hell, I even doubt it. But I just feels right right now...if that makes any sense. -----Original Message----- From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:23 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? =09 =09 I thought I would try to bring us back to some more germane list topics, very particular to looping.=20 =20 For a while last year, my personal website referred to me as a looping "artist." I was rather proud of that description because of all the effort I put into using, researching, and promoting looping technology. However, this year I had second thoughts on referring to myself as a looping artist. It seemed to me that looping was just one element of my whole performance approach, but not the defining element. For example, there were many so called "looping performances", especially those where I played as a duo or trio, where I made minimal use of looping technology. Looping technology was just one out of many devices I used to express myself - but easily over-used in a duo or trio context. And then I started thinking about looping relative to the concept of genre. I don't really consider looping a genre, because we have all seen that there are musicians from many typical genres (jazz, pop, ambient, experimental, fusion, classical, etc) all using looping technology. Now that looping technology is so prevalent in the industry, it seems odd to consider looping a genre...YET, I still feel a strong sense of attachment and community to this list, a feeling of solidarity that perhaps one can confound with genre Out of all the lists that I am a member of, LD is the only one that gets close to a sense of "family" and class membership. I have deveoped many, many productive and enuring relationship as a result of this list. Now, I get totally excited to go to a Y2K event and see many of you in person. It is a powerful community, and I thank Kim for starting it. =20 Consequently, I don't consider myself a looping artist anymore, but just a creative performance and composition artist. That seems fitting for what I do, even though looping technology is most always present in some degree or another in my work. But because of my passion toward the technology and this list, I still feel tempted to call myself a looping artist. And I feel a sense of pride in this when I see other mainstream and well known artists use looping technology, but only as a gimick or fleeting effect, vs. somethin that I have really mastered and can use as a composition tool. We are among the few and proud, but how do we position ourselves in the music industry? Are we are our own worse enemies? What sort of influence do we have as a social network? Does the music industry give a damn about this list? When is the last time any manufacture has used this list to do user research on a new looping device? We are a powerful group. Is the industry recognizing us for our accomplishments? (Granted, that Guitar Mag article on Y2K7 was a NICE deal). =20 Thoughts? =20 Kris =20 =20 =09 ************************************************************************ ** Krispen Hartung=20 www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung Performance Calendar: http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F558.7BF5F417 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Man,  being a "looper" is like another instrument.  = Unless you=20 are a looper...nobody really cares.  They just pay their money for = the show=20 and most of the time the regular Joe and Jane doesn't even realize you = are=20 looping because they spend most of their time at the bottom of a 12oz = bottle or=20 glass or whatever and milling about with their = friends.
 
I put=20 a lot of loop demos and live loop cuts up on my myspace even though I = have a CD=20 out that has zero looping on it.  Is that the right way to do = it?...I=20 dunno.  Hell, I even doubt it.  But I just feels right right = now...if=20 that makes any sense.
-----Original Message-----
From: = Krispen Hartung=20 [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, = 2007=20 11:23 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject:=20 Who uses "looping" in their promo material?

I thought I would try to bring us = back to some=20 more germane list topics, very particular to looping.
 
For a while last year, my = personal website=20 referred to me as a looping "artist." I was rather proud of that=20 description because of all the effort I put into using, = researching, and=20 promoting looping technology. However, this year I had second thoughts = on=20 referring to myself as a looping artist. It seemed to me that looping = was just=20 one element of my whole performance approach, but not the defining = element.=20 For example, there were many so called "looping performances", = especially=20 those where I played as a duo or trio, where I made minimal use of = looping=20 technology.  Looping technology was just one out of many devices = I used=20 to express myself - but easily over-used in a duo or trio = context.  And=20 then I started thinking about looping relative to the concept of = genre. I=20 don't really consider looping a genre, because we have all seen that = there are=20 musicians from many typical genres (jazz, pop, ambient, experimental, = fusion,=20 classical, etc) all using looping technology. Now that looping = technology is=20 so prevalent in the industry, it seems odd to consider looping a = genre...YET,=20 I still feel a strong sense of attachment and community to this list, = a=20 feeling of solidarity that perhaps one can confound with genre Out of = all the=20 lists that I am a member of,  LD is the only one that gets close = to a=20 sense of "family" and class membership.  I have deveoped many, = many=20 productive and enuring relationship as a result of this list. Now, I = get=20 totally excited to go to a Y2K event and see many of you in person. It = is a=20 powerful community, and I thank Kim for starting it.
 
Consequently, I don't consider myself = a looping=20 artist anymore, but just a creative performance and composition = artist. That=20 seems fitting for what I do, even though looping technology is most = always=20 present in some degree or another in my work. But because of my = passion toward=20 the technology and this list, I still feel tempted to call myself a = looping=20 artist.  And I feel a sense of pride in this when I see other = mainstream=20 and well known artists use looping technology, but only as a gimick or = fleeting effect, vs. somethin that I have really mastered and can use = as a=20 composition tool.  We are among the few and proud, but how do we = position=20 ourselves in the music industry? Are we are our own worse = enemies?=20 What sort of influence do we have as a social network?  Does the = music=20 industry give a damn about this list? When is the last time any = manufacture=20 has used this list to do user research on a new looping device? We are = a=20 powerful group. Is the industry recognizing us for our = accomplishments?=20 (Granted, that Guitar Mag article on Y2K7 was a NICE = deal).
 
Thoughts?
 
Kris
 
 
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Krispen=20 Hartung
www.krispenhartung.com=20 / www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
Performance=20 Calendar: ht= tp://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=3DKrispen%20Hartung
info@krispenhartung.com /=20 1.208.724.5603
Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
CD=20 Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung=20
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F558.7BF5F417-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:24:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E76583BF9C; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0bf701c7f559$745cc600$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <013a01c7f54d$7dd7cc90$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:24:52 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74382 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:24:55 +0000 (UTC) With a few exceptions maybe, like Phish and the Dead (and other copy cats)...those guys did total free and spontaneous improv on stage...albeit, integrated or sandwiched in between their normal songs. Phish was always a great inspiration for me. And I love the Dead's Infrared Roses. I always thought if I had to become a pop musician, that this was the approach I would have to take, otherwise I would end up slitting my wrists after two months into the tour. The idea of playing the same set of songs set after set makes me nauseous, and this was the primary source of me disbanding groups I have started in the past, because show after show, I started feeling like a cover musician of my own material. I don' know how a lot of these pop artists do it, night after night. I would most certainly turn to drugs in that situation. :) And now I don't pre-write anything for my performances. Everything is spontaneous. I think I tried to do a cover of one of my looping tunes once, based on an audience request, and I botched it. I couldn't even remember my parts enough to loop it right. Heh heh. I'm a tabula ras sort of performance guy now. I get off on it. I thrive on it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > And, by the way, it is my perception that the loopers who enter the > mainstream consciousness in any way are never free improvisors - the > "public" (gosh I'm using a lot of quoted words today) has never seemed to > care much for that form approach. Not surprising, really. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:28:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE8FD3BF60; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E81384.6060503@mhorse.com> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:27:48 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rainer's "Quelques Papiers.." References: <20070912051920.5B29C3BF52@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070912051920.5B29C3BF52@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74383 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:28:01 +0000 (UTC) hey, I'm a bit late to the party in downloading Rainer's new release, and it being a torrent file, I can't download without seeds. Anyone who's downloaded it already care to hop on and seed for awhile? It can be tonight if afterhours is better... Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:44:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 113FB3BF36; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <006e01c7f55c$2f322400$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: Cc: References: Subject: Re: OT can you help me out? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 12:44:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7F53A.A7B0F950" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000774-3, 11/09/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74384 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:44:50 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7F53A.A7B0F950 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Looks to me like dropped-D, but maybe the whole thing down a whole tone. Dave O'H ----- Original Message ----- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: OT can you help me out? an old friend of mine asked me to help him in finding out what this fellow is doing.....is this some dropped d tuning or what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2Ls2VSDLsM thnaks mucho.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7F53A.A7B0F950 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Looks to me like dropped-D, but maybe = the whole=20 thing down a whole tone.
 
Dave O'H
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Nemoguitt@aol.com
To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, = 2007 11:44=20 AM
Subject: OT can you help me = out?

an old friend of mine asked me to help = him in=20 finding out what this fellow is doing.....is this some dropped d = tuning or=20 what?  http://www.youtube.= com/watch?v=3Dx2Ls2VSDLsM
thnaks=20 mucho.....michael



www.ct-collective.com
http://mysite.verizon.net/vz= epmeci/
http://www.myspace.com/klobuc= har11




*********************************= *****
See=20 what's new at http://www.aol.com ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01C7F53A.A7B0F950-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 16:53:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 35C0D3BF72; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=cwJZVo4CT3kPWACbV9Lj3HOYtl0Kgy6/pWBHJ3TZAg8=; b=s1XhqHVpM/S4ErnYekZPyOkddU8YrpFGvtTehicFuX5FI7STc5yvdF5pqAmD+yWjWf4Noks0urd5jih1tryAks+1jkPDJHyZvnJrYR2MgjP2k0pMrKzHbypK07ldBqAwN5IrNe1epAL/SfLOp5cG956L886Z5+KXjEZsZXdlyjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=bWpjhzctY0pLYee3/Ih+aPy1GTRsY8yN9I8K7nL0IXmvaGYgV/AlFCH98nxrFSrBaTpW0UUMZSK7C1T1qvUqVqRLtbeY5O/464GzgZmGiGc0tzGF5y8BXEX3lDbxioeiwATPnbv/XiH4/ovX/puqjAuU8hKEnNIL/dauowNBWAM= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 09:53:06 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? In-Reply-To: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74385 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:53:11 +0000 (UTC) Unfortunately, I don't feel like "looping" is a very useful term for promotion. (Unless you're talking about a 'looping festival'.) To me it sounds like trying too hard to popularize a new slang word. You have to stop and explain the process to people, and then more time is necessary to describe how it's different from popular music that uses looped phrases (like dance and rap music). I like the phrase "live sampling" a little better, since it requires less explanation. I've also learned recently to be careful about using the words "experimental" or "avant garde" in promotion. In cases where experimental hasn't yet been co-opted by electronic dance music, it often carries a connotation of being 'difficult' music. So in my promotional materials, I've worked on a way to describe what I do without using any genres. Instead I use descriptive phrases for the different sort of sounds I make - stuff like "bubbling subharmonic beds" and "sonic imitations of natural environments". Krispen Hartung was like: > > > I thought I would try to bring us back to some more germane list topics, > very particular to looping. > > For a while last year, my personal website referred to me as a looping > "artist." I was rather proud of that description because of all the effort I > put into using, researching, and promoting looping technology. However, this > year I had second thoughts on referring to myself as a looping artist. > > ... We > are among the few and proud, but how do we position ourselves in the music > industry? Are we are our own worse enemies? What sort of influence do we > have as a social network? Does the music industry give a damn about this > list? When is the last time any manufacture has used this list to do user > research on a new looping device? We are a powerful group. Is the industry > recognizing us for our accomplishments? (Granted, that Guitar Mag article on > Y2K7 was a NICE deal). > > Thoughts? > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > Performance Calendar: > http://www.musi-cal.com/search?performers=Krispen%20Hartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:28:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE3043BF72; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 664054885 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F562.60805F4C" Subject: RE: OT can you help me out? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:28:47 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72051C9CDB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT can you help me out? Thread-Index: Acf1YmBOHmJ8gsD4Qx6qWRAMAix2Zg== References: From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2007 17:28:47.0841 (UTC) FILETIME=[60870510:01C7F562] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74386 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:28:53 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F562.60805F4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>an old friend of mine asked me to help him in finding out what this fellow is doing.....is this some dropped d tuning or what? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx2Ls2VSDLsM << =20 there are several theories in amongst the comments, but basically the consensus is that it's a sort of open-D tuning. with a B & a G in it.=20 =20 nice work, though, eh? I'm rather partial to the version by the nice, keith emerson's old band. =20 d. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F562.60805F4C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>an = old friend=20 of mine asked me to help him in finding out what this fellow is = doing.....is=20 this some dropped d tuning or what?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Dx2Ls2VSDLsM <<
 
there are several theories in amongst the comments, but = basically=20 the consensus is that it's a sort of open-D tuning. with a B & = a G in=20 it. 
 
nice = work, though, eh?=20 I'm rather partial to the version by the nice, keith emerson's old=20 band.
 
d.
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F562.60805F4C-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 17:30:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4638B3BF65; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:30:33 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74387 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:30:35 +0000 (UTC) i've found that the word "looping" confuses people and then i have to spend all my time explaining what looping is, and THEN explain my music. so i only use it in when i think it will be understood and of interest - which means when the audience is more technical and, er, geeky. but in general, when i'm trying to describe what i'm doing, i'm more likely to use the words "sampling" and "layering", which seem clearer. also, as i just stated, i only use these terms to describe the HOW. i think it is better to describe yourself as a WHAT. some newspaper called me an "avant cellist" and that has stuck because other media people love to latch onto it (i think thats how you can tell if a tag is working!). it is a problematic phrase but it's been working for me. so i call myself an "avant-cellist and composer" which is so vague it leaves me free to do all kind of things, whereas if i was a "looping cellist", i could only loop! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E25933BF64; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_6c7f3498-7994-4107-9514-10a15b45f0d2_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.98] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 14:09:20 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Sep 2007 18:09:20.0187 (UTC) FILETIME=[0A5190B0:01C7F568] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74388 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:09:21 +0000 (UTC) --_6c7f3498-7994-4107-9514-10a15b45f0d2_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 I'll second Zoe here .... =20 It's much better to tell them WHAT you play ... let them figure out the HOW= . =20 After all ... looping could mean anything from ambient to very structured t= echno .... or more traditional song based looping. =20 Hopefully you have a clear definition of the kind of music you make .... if= not, just tell them you are modern beatnick post-ambient downtempo experim= ental jazz technologist ...... they'll get the point. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > From: cello@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their prom= o material?> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:30:33 -0700> To: Loopers-Delight@loo= pers-delight.com> > i've found that the word "looping" confuses people and = then i have to > spend all my time explaining what looping is, and THEN exp= lain my music.> so i only use it in when i think it will be understood and = of > interest - which means when the audience is more technical and, er, > = geeky.> > but in general, when i'm trying to describe what i'm doing, i'm m= ore > likely to use the words "sampling" and "layering", which seem clearer= .> > also, as i just stated, i only use these terms to describe the HOW.> >= i think it is better to describe yourself as a WHAT. some newspaper > call= ed me an "avant cellist" and that has stuck because other media > people lo= ve to latch onto it (i think thats how you can tell if a tag > is working!)= . it is a problematic phrase but it's been working for > me. so i call myse= lf an "avant-cellist and composer" which is so > vague it leaves me free to= do all kind of things, whereas if i was a > "looping cellist", i could onl= y loop!> >=20 _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. 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I'll second Zoe here ....
 
It's much better to tell them WHAT you play ... let them figure out the HOW= .
 
After all ... looping could mean anything from ambient to very structured t= echno .... or more traditional song based looping.
 
Hopefully you have a clear definition of the kind of music you make .... if= not, just tell them you are modern beatnick post-ambient downtempo experim= ental jazz technologist ...... they'll get the point.
 
 
 
 
 

> From: cello@zoekeating.com
> Subject: Re: Who uses "looping"= in their promo material?
> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:30:33 -0700
= > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> i've found th= at the word "looping" confuses people and then i have to
> spend all= my time explaining what looping is, and THEN explain my music.
> so = i only use it in when i think it will be understood and of
> interes= t - which means when the audience is more technical and, er,
> geeky= .
>
> but in general, when i'm trying to describe what i'm doi= ng, i'm more
> likely to use the words "sampling" and "layering", wh= ich seem clearer.
>
> also, as i just stated, i only use these= terms to describe the HOW.
>
> i think it is better to descri= be yourself as a WHAT. some newspaper
> called me an "avant cellist"= and that has stuck because other media
> people love to latch onto = it (i think thats how you can tell if a tag
> is working!). it is a = problematic phrase but it's been working for
> me. so i call myself = an "avant-cellist and composer" which is so
> vague it leaves me fre= e to do all kind of things, whereas if i was a
> "looping cellist", = i could only loop!
>
>


More photos; more m= essages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW wi= th 5GB storage. Get mo= re! = --_6c7f3498-7994-4107-9514-10a15b45f0d2_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 50A113BF67; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070912132051.57xoh3jfkg88g0gw@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:20:51 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? References: <0b6401c7f4f4$a032f480$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74389 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:20:54 +0000 (UTC) One of the toughest tasks for me has been to create promotional =20 materials. To read threads on this list (one about "first person" vs. =20 "third person") was extremely useful. My choice of "genre" is designed to attract opportunities wherein my =20 music will be well-recieved. My music, as is much music, can be hard =20 to pin down at times however to include the terms "classical", =20 "neo-classical", "electronic" along with "composer/performer" helps to =20 pin things down. To ponder my journey into the live-looping medium is quite rewarding =20 (from here I digress). In the last year, live-looping has become an important part of my =20 work. Live-looping allows one to build an ensemble while retaining =20 the performer's touch, phrasing, and nuance. While I very much enjoy =20 my multi-timbral (K2600) synth, to build an entire ensemble from human =20 articulated musical lines in real time yields music of extraordinary =20 power and expressiveness. While I don't use the term "looping" as a genre label, I now mention =20 it prominately in my bio. Next week I will perform at the Plaza Art Fair in Kansas City, Mo (Sep =20 21, 500pm at Central and Nichols Road). They asked that, in addition =20 to playing music, that I include time to explain my instrument =20 (Theremin) and I will preface my live-looping works with a short =20 explanation/demo. I just put the finishing touches on a new composition -- entirely live =20 looping -- that I have written specifically for the Y2K7 Loopfest. =20 Last June (at the electro-music festival) Warren Sirota encouraged me =20 to explore different theremin timbres and many of the ideas in this =20 work are based on Warren's suggestions. While most of my work is =20 performed live with pre-recorded tracks, I took the Y2K7 festival as a =20 challenge to do an entire set of 100% live-looping works with no =20 pre-recorded elements. My original thought about live-looping was that to include some =20 live-looping works in my sets would add variety to the program. I =20 have discovered that live-looping is a powerful medium for =20 music-making and I look forward to creating more looping works in the =20 future. More later... -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:53:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 57F0A3BF70; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:53:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:53:20 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW: Prerecorded material In-reply-to: <20070912132051.57xoh3jfkg88g0gw@69.89.21.76> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020a01c7f56e$303c3bd0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1aawJttKgYStvT9yih790JT457gAAF2Ag Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74390 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:53:04 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] > > I just put the finishing touches on a new composition -- entirely live > looping -- that I have written specifically for the Y2K7 Loopfest. > Last June (at the electro-music festival) Warren Sirota encouraged me > to explore different theremin timbres and many of the ideas in this > work are based on Warren's suggestions. Uh oh... taking *my* suggestions - never a good sign :-) > While most of my work is > performed live with pre-recorded tracks, I took the Y2K7 festival as a > challenge to do an entire set of 100% live-looping works with no > pre-recorded elements. > That sounds exciting, Kevin. I wish I could be there to hear it. Those of you who'll be there - try not to miss this one. There aren't too many Theremin virtuosi around, and KK is definitely one such. He's exciting to watch. Kevin brings up another interesting topic - the use of pre-recorded material. A hundred years ago, I was interviewing the amazing bass player Brian Bromberg for my MIDI Guitarist newsletter, and I asked if he used MIDI sequences to accompany him onstage. His response was something like, "why use something that's as prone to malfunction (i.e., wrong patches, whatever) as that, when you can just prerecord the backing tracks to DAT?" (this was before CD-Rs were common). This comment has haunted me for years. It's tied in, for me, with Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law (according to Wikipedia) "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." And Warren's Hypothesis: In live musical performance, magic quickly degrades to boredom. I mean, if backing tracks are good in order to obtain a musical effect, why not just record the *whole* performance? Why perform live at all? Is this just an economic mechanism, really, to avoid rehearsing and maybe paying the band that "should", in an ideal world, be playing the tracks? And if we're not in an ideal world, is this a good compromise? I'm currently torn about this myself, because I'd like to go off and do some solo jazz guitar brunch gigs and the like, and I sound *so* much more polished playing to Band-in-a-Box tracks than I do when I do the difficult solo jazz guitarist thing. And then there's the looper possibility - I could certainly record live chords and bass without a melody once through each tune and then play heads and solos over that, but is that better than playing with backing tracks? Of course, the best solution is probably to just write off those possibilities and find places that can book a duo, and hire a piano player to play with me. In this case, I think it does come down to an economic argument. And then, beyond backing tracks per se, there's the issue of triggering smaller clips. For most of us, I think, that's a little tricky unless we *start* by playing to a clip, because there's the issue of getting the clip to sync to us. But, even if that issue were solved (and for some of us it may be), is this a desirable thing? Just exorcising my inner demons here... Interested in all your thoughts. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 18:55:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53753BF7B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:55:34 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020b01c7f56e$804d0f50$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-index: Acf1aBAqMO+Iq2EAQJKuMZ7RTU1efAABiZrQ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74391 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:55:19 +0000 (UTC) ________________________________________ From: aaron leese [mailto:aaronleese@hotmail.com]=20 =A0 >Hopefully you have a clear definition of the kind of music you make = ....=20 Really? Would that make me better? >if not, just tell them you are modern beatnick post-ambient downtempo experimental jazz technologist ...... they'll get the point. =A0 I like that description. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:22:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17F373BF6B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070912152236.8f55jeh08w8gkc8k@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:22:36 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW: Prerecorded material References: <020a01c7f56e$303c3bd0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> In-Reply-To: <020a01c7f56e$303c3bd0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74392 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:22:40 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Warren Sirota : > > > Kevin brings up another interesting topic - the use of pre-recorded > material. > I probably should have added that I create all my own pre-recorded material. I consider electronic music to be a medium in and of itself. With electronics I can exploit surround-sound, effects, and timbres that would either be undoable or impractical with a live ensemble. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:39:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9AD343BF7D; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=NMVd9CaHOHElmOpkUjERaMXTE4adnhSmnv9EJZ2frpE=; b=ttasmWNYyPippEG5yKfJOzmzWiowDuoJSRe2Ldz1/azK3QqhPcCwizQuSjgwvX9GgYuC1Wpg8sPrqffzxuQGO11JMkESRnH2P2s/qOU7JFBiHri3E4jpoCXnyVOcMFC67AP4fxiacpp63NpPZvW1Rh8/sCJda4XmOkeX0sQW3O4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q0hjOcj0q2I7RewBlXNSKdKfKWRNcokaS7UImWO3yj6PpyDaMmsLziWXfPPEfmNxcVB1pn6Afk9kv0ybI48fJ6JhI3lS6jYB09gMrxjqOr4Fvap2NkEd8GelTqRodD2Q0gOhl+8WAzePg8QF4pFmwDAfYF0oJMkwhDX7OKen1T0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070912152236.8f55jeh08w8gkc8k@69.89.21.76> References: <020a01c7f56e$303c3bd0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> <20070912152236.8f55jeh08w8gkc8k@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <97ED1D4E-C84B-4812-ACDE-018F1C447F84@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW: Prerecorded material Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:39:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5MsQi.A.dk.25E6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74393 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:39:18 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Warren Sirota : >> >> >> Kevin brings up another interesting topic - the use of pre-recorded >> material. > On 12 sep 2007, at 22.22, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote > I probably should have added that I create all my own pre-recorded > material. > > I consider electronic music to be a medium in and of itself. With > electronics I can exploit surround-sound, effects, and timbres that > would either be undoable or impractical with a live ensemble. > > -- Kevin I'm a big fan of "Electronic Music Festivals" where the composer simply pushes a play button to start the playback of his perfected work. Usually the audience is sitting inside a circle of surround speakers. If someone would play instruments it might just be distracting in that context. The interesting aspect IMHO is to experience the complete design of the realized sounding work. THAT is what I enjoy when going to such events. When listening to a performer, or a group, that uses no pre recorded material I don't regard just what I hear as the most interesting experience. The more interesting I may find the instant reaction patterns of the performers. The joy is similar to watching a dance or a fight. Many elements interfere and I enjoy to follow how the human participators navigate and coop with all kinds of situations that come up during the play. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:49:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A81DD3BF80; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:49:43 EDT Subject: Re: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc4.1b0d2609.3419aae7_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74394 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:49:49 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cc4.1b0d2609.3419aae7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/12/07 2:21:14 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com writes: > I took the Y2K7 festival as a=A0 > challenge to do an entire set of 100% live-looping works with no=A0 > pre-recorded elements. >=20 i, a "PUNK AMBIENT LOOPIST" look forward to this!.....i'm actaully a folk=20 loopist that really want's to be a "PAL".....but i ain't got da=20 angst.....:(.....:).....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cc4.1b0d2609.3419aae7_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/12/07 2:21:14 PM, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com writes:=


I took the Y2K7 festi= val as a=A0
challenge to do an entire set of 100% live-looping works with no=A0
pre-recorded elements.


i, a "PUNK AMBIENT LOOPIST" look forward to this!.....i'm actaully a folk= loopist that really want's to be a "PAL".....but i ain't got da angst.....:= (.....:).....m



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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cc4.1b0d2609.3419aae7_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E819E3BEF6; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:53:17 EDT Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW: Prerecorded material To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce7.19c62c23.3419abbd_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5hQdW.A.mhB.GHF6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74395 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC) --part1_ce7.19c62c23.3419abbd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/12/07 2:53:50 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes: > I could > certainly record live chords and bass without a melody once through each > tune and then play heads and solos over that, but is that better than > playing with backing tracks? > a resounding YES!.....but i'm not a "JAZZ LOOPIST".....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ce7.19c62c23.3419abbd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/12/07 2:53:50 PM, wsirota@wsdesigns.com writes:


I could
certainly record live chords and bass without a melody once through each
tune and then play heads and solos over that, but is that better than
playing with backing tracks?


a resounding YES!.....but i'm not a "JAZZ LOOPIST".....m



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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_ce7.19c62c23.3419abbd_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 20:59:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB1CE3BF73; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:59:26 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW:Prerecorded material In-reply-to: <20070912152236.8f55jeh08w8gkc8k@69.89.21.76> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <026701c7f57f$cdec36d0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1eq9YgDXguO3zR7CqgpTGBNOoyQABD/OA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74396 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:59:05 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com [mailto:kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com] > > I consider electronic music to be a medium in and of itself. With > electronics I can exploit surround-sound, effects, and timbres that > would either be undoable or impractical with a live ensemble. > > -- Kevin No disagreement about that - what you do with prerecorded material is great, Kevin. What you did in Philly was like a concerto for theremin. Nonetheless - maybe it's a judgment I need to rethink, but there's always something that makes me uncomfortable about the live + prerecorded thing - I prefer either one pure. I'm just trying to find out whether this is a common feeling and to open my mind to other points of view, and this list would be my most-respected source of input for that. Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:20:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 558E63BF89; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070912162011.ymmmmkl3kc44wowg@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:20:11 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? NOW: Prerecorded material References: <020a01c7f56e$303c3bd0$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> <20070912152236.8f55jeh08w8gkc8k@69.89.21.76> <97ED1D4E-C84B-4812-ACDE-018F1C447F84@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <97ED1D4E-C84B-4812-ACDE-018F1C447F84@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74397 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Per Boysen : > > I'm a big fan of "Electronic Music Festivals" where the composer simply > pushes a play button to start the playback of his perfected work. > Usually the audience is sitting inside a circle of surround speakers. > If someone would play instruments it might just be distracting in that > context. The interesting aspect IMHO is to experience the complete > design of the realized sounding work. THAT is what I enjoy when going > to such events. > Actually, I am playing at such as event next month: http://www.emmfestival.org/data/concertschedule.html I will play "Three Legged Race" which is entirely live-looping and is designed for surround-sound. The element that you call the "complete design of the (sound)" is one that I persue. I very much like the idea of carefully crafted sound and spacial effects and like to include human elements, too. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:28:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28C3C3BF3B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:28:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74398 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:28:57 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations=2E e=2Eg=2E= =20 triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even= a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared=2E I= f this bothers you, please elaborate=2E=2E=2E seriously, I'd like to know mo= re about your why you feel this way=2E -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:33:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A3B3E3BF8B; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0c9d01c7f584$8e9bc590$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:33:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74399 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Yeah, especally since everyone time we loop, we are using pre-recorded material. The only difference is when it was recorded. :) Kris ----- Original Message ----- I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more about your why you feel this way. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:39:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A78CF3BF8E; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:39:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200709122139.l8CLdNfQ015978@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: RE: Prerecordedmaterial X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74400 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:39:25 +0000 (UTC) I had a strange experience playing with a long time collaborator a while back. We play very abstract atmospheric space music (sort of) with me on guitar and my friend on keyboards. At one point while we were playing I looked up and found that he had started playing a previous jam we had had earlier and playing on top of that. At first I was sort of upset, 'what a cop out' and all that but then when I started thinking about it it seemed to me that this was really not very different than his loading any other sample or patch and playing to that, it was still a live choice in the music. So I have no problem with pre-recorded bits now. BUT, I only like them if they are played spontaneously as yet another part of the overall sound. For me there has to still be a random element to it. If a prerecorded loop or sample is used where people have to play to the sample then I'm really not so happy with it. But if the pre-recorded material is played as yet another live element where anything can happen along with that sample then I'm all for it. Kevin > I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of > pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. > triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even > a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If > this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more > about your why you feel this way. -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:40:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 981413BF9C; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:40:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=40f2GxTDJpK522J0Ur72I3yGy9qJ3uBp1yaEw3sFsvo=; b=iI0n33NNF/TdDtuvgHGJM08qlJ5f3sie03Hr8rHrP/uxYV7UhQi+aBzX9+cqElSkBd2IAGs4GrHFss08U/NvpIfg8a3XO8QOQdfg0GLj5VjtIXmOrxw3SLMkmOfLy5YfxTD36jpZfoPvzUrmq1gxQcOK3DhdFT6C5a3OFqhFtcs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=EAOO2HJyOyXgnr08A9oq4j6S8E58AyteZ14QgYuWgDKoGf3SYapmt08ZLQDB8ITBqfbI09a8Jb/TGQqHYKiUfiQd6ras+LgysbXGi46EP+fwIt5tlb2H37Z25HT3hW9Q0Ff4Kvc1Uu5HVzF6TNm5eotAKH4QFtfCqKaAt0UVH8c= In-Reply-To: <0c9d01c7f584$8e9bc590$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> <0c9d01c7f584$8e9bc590$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:40:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74401 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:40:11 +0000 (UTC) On 12 sep 2007, at 23.33, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yeah, especally since everyone time we loop, we are using pre- > recorded material. The only difference is when it > was recorded. :) LOL - you're right! That's funny! This means the only way to "step out of the can" is to set the controls for Zero Feedback! p -;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:52:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B7A23BF99; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:52:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0caa01c7f587$431777b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> <0c9d01c7f584$8e9bc590$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:52:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74402 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:52:51 +0000 (UTC) it is hilarious. I can see it already...a whole new breed of purist loopers who use no pre-recorded material, with feedback on 0. Yes, we loop, but you are not allowed to hear our loops. :) You could also just keep feedback to 100 but turn the levels to zero, hearing only the dry signal. So, we are indeed still looping, but not using the loop, if "using" then means using them as audible material. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > On 12 sep 2007, at 23.33, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> Yeah, especally since everyone time we loop, we are using pre- recorded >> material. The only difference is when it >> was recorded. :) > > > LOL - you're right! That's funny! This means the only way to "step out of > the can" is to set the controls for Zero Feedback! > > p -;) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 21:53:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 711653BF9F; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:54:06 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-reply-to: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <027d01c7f587$70ce5930$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1g/E6nbZ42NCNTn+9EegrIGNIegAAjy4Q Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74403 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Well, so far I think I'm the only one who has a problem with it, and, as I tried to express, perhaps not well, I'm more ambivalent about it than condemnatory, and I'm struggling a bit with my attitude. The problem for me is probably that it just seems too easy (not that it's easy to prepare the prerecorded sounds). I think there have to be limits to confront in live performance. Superman needs Kryptonite in order to be interesting.... And I also can enjoy going to a room with great speakers and listening to totally prerecorded pieces. > -----Original Message----- > From: qua@oregon.com [mailto:qua@oregon.com] > > I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of > pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. > triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even > a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If > this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more > about your why you feel this way. > > -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 12 22:38:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 570153BF93; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007201c7f58d$b38992c0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: RE: Who uses "looping" in their promo material? Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:38:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74404 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:38:54 +0000 (UTC) Ahhhh, you know it may be because I live in Santa Cruz and have promoted live looping so heavily in local press, radio, television and to anyone I ever talk to, but I have found that people who know about it actually do care if you call yourself a looping artist. I'll never forget jumping up and down when I read a local newspaper article that referred to Amy X Neuburg as a looping artist and DIDN'T pause to explain what that was (assuming the readership was already familiar with it). I do realize, however, that Santa Cruz is really anamolous. There are several artists in this town who go out and make pretty good scoots playing corporate gigs, weddings and parties as solo looping artists. Of course, we are in the extended SF Bay Area (though technically in the Monterey Bay area, the musical world extends both south and north of hear and a lot of work I do is either in Carmel, San Francisco or the South Bay). But there are so many tools I"ve learned as a looper; so many different approaches that are defined by the equipment I use and the sensibility I have (I've always been fascinated by groove, repition, trance and psychedelia) that I consider myself a looping artist in the just the same way that I consider myself an Ethnic Fusion artist, or a Jazz Drummer or a Pop Studio drummer or a Free Improviser or a Found Sound Artist.............all the different worlds that I inhabit as a professional and non-professional musical artist. yours, Rick by the way, I think calling oneself an artist instead of a musician is only pretentious if you don't have the goods to back it up. I have gone to great lengths to eschew most commercial playing in my career if it ever conflicted with my own pure expression or an all original band that I was in. I don't think making money with music is a bad thing at all, but it has taken a lot of sacrifice to continue to always push for free expression and creativity even at the expense of my 'straight' commercial career so I call myself an Artist with a capital 'A' and I'm proud of that term and think it's appropriate and non-pretentious to use it. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 00:15:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BDD03BF4F; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:15:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:15:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9C3B248EFDAD7_954_1B008_Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30128 Message-Id: <8C9C3B248EFDAD7-954-D6C8@Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.142.165 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-Y6IeB.A.0JC.VEI6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74405 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:15:17 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C9C3B248EFDAD7_954_1B008_Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sad about Joe. I bought a used WR cd?a few?weekends ago, "Night Passage." I haven't thought about or listened to WR in quite a while but totally dug them in college. Joe will be sorely missed. PJ -----Original Message----- From: Michael Peters To: Loopers Delight Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 6:38 am Subject: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul just died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. -Michael www.michaelpeters.de ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9C3B248EFDAD7_954_1B008_Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Sad about Joe. I bought a used WR cd a few weekends ago, "Night Passage." I haven't thought about or listened to WR in quite a while but totally dug them in college. Joe will be sorely missed.
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I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul just
died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe.

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----------MB_8C9C3B248EFDAD7_954_1B008_Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 00:56:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA33E3BF7F; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,247,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="24085068" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwPAH4n6EZKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBXWE3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 19:56:34 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul In-reply-to: <8C9C3B248EFDAD7-954-D6C8@Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_eqqn/ieBtvaeuL2RMMK5Kg)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <8C9C3B248EFDAD7-954-D6C8@Webmail-mg17.sysops.aol.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74406 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 00:56:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_eqqn/ieBtvaeuL2RMMK5Kg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline > Sad about Joe. I bought a used WR cd?a few?weekends ago, "Night > Passage." I haven't thought about or listened to WR in quite a That's a great album, especially the live tracks. "Port of Entry" and "Madagascar". Jaco's playing on "Port of Entry" is AMAZING. I like the way they are interacting on "Madagascar". I always wondered how much of it was worked out. There are clearly some parts where there is a rehearsed structure, but on other parts it is very sparse and you get the feeling they are just doing a collective improvisation. It's amazing how much taste and restraint they are all showing, the way they keep from stepping on each other's toes. Jaco could blow your mind with a million notes, play a beautiful melody, tastefully support someone else, or playing incredibly cool walking bass lines. And Zawinul on those tracks is doing his usual painting the colors and creating a great atmosphere. Wow. Mark Smart http://www.marksmart.net --Boundary_(ID_eqqn/ieBtvaeuL2RMMK5Kg) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
> Sad about Joe. I bought a used WR cd?a few?weekends ago, "Night
> Passage." I haven't thought about or listened to WR in quite a
That's a great album, especially the live tracks. "Port of Entry" and "Madagascar". Jaco's playing on "Port of Entry" is AMAZING.
 
I like the way they are interacting on "Madagascar". I always wondered how much of it was worked out. There are clearly some parts where there is a rehearsed structure, but on other parts it is very sparse and you get the feeling they are just doing a collective improvisation. It's amazing how much taste and restraint they are all showing, the way they keep from stepping on each other's toes. Jaco could blow your mind with a million notes, play a beautiful melody, tastefully support someone else, or playing incredibly cool walking bass lines.
 
And Zawinul on those tracks is doing his usual painting the colors and creating a great atmosphere. Wow.
 
Mark Smart
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 01:58:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C59C3BF77; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:58:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sPDSRGWtGWldybxgNT2e0prxNYyf8Pz8enaDaFnMIjU=; b=Ghop4FAbQuXHrle/7iWpySydFeifFfJQh6WM8HXibr+d22WV5OWdZFeDfofk/56fzu1aWGxKFQsb4zsuqSTHnBEsqhNryiG9U8LnogSzhoPMWHqk0m4bV4hoDxJ2rih2S6QIkbwFxXYDh0e2zmhbKUY6vjzakPdoQVAOwal9vRM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d77NLjtmKGBMMTTMjqcbOm1tT9OaupupNjtL46OrQ5fV/IuWg64EpOxk2EgO1LqeeemITDgIzXc+O8zEfchFH2GEiLpjXM//4q8PBD6YaP3BBqhhnhn3Fy7vWrrXRIfGD11U0lGzXSh5NLNu28zo0oJ/a+QwPcTi0rmFqL7GHuo= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:58:49 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> Resent-Message-ID: <6e1rd.A.i_F.clJ6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74407 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:58:52 +0000 (UTC) I'll bite. I don't have a problem with people using pre-recorded material such as triggered samples and such, as long as it's something that's being played as an instrument. I'm not too fond of people who either 1) Put their backing tracks on a cd or computer, and play only the 'lead' tracks in their show or 2) Use pre-recorded loops or drum machine rhythms for the background. I've got 4 reasons. The biggest one is that pre-recorded tracks usually sound like training wheels to me - as if the musician doesn't feel capable of creating interesting music by themselves in real time, so they need something that will keep the flow going automatically. There's a traditional thinking that all music should contain a 'rhythm section' (bass, drums, etc). Not true! In most of the live music I hear with canned rhythm, the rhythm is something my ears try to 'hear around' or tune out. I'm really there to hear the musician make sounds. If the music is a little more sparse for the lack of a standard element, let it be sparse! It's more unique that way. The next 2 reasons are more personal. As a frequenter of improvised music shows, I've become fond of the idea that I'm witnessing a creative process. My favorite live music is completely free-improvised, but even if someone is playing something they've already written, there's usually variation in the way they do it. When you're using a fixed recording, it takes that much variation and creative process away. That percentage is not you creating on stage, but reliving a previous creative moment, and that's what listening to cd's is for. Lastly, I personally believe that live shows and recorded cd's are art forms as different as film and theatre. Like an actor, part of a musician's development is either learning to do both well, or learning to focus on one or the other. Live shows don't often make good cd's (except for some classical music and a few cases of classic rock and jazz), and attempts to recreate a studio recording in a live environment don't make terribly interesting live shows for me. Though I admit it's weird for me to be the guy thinking "turn off the drum machine!" Matt www.ribosomemusic.com qua@oregon.com went: > I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of > pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. > triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even > a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If > this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more > about your why you feel this way. > > -Qua > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 02:25:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A07A83BF93; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:25:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:10:16 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-reply-to: To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <02f201c7f59a$767a3e40$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1qbIe12WrEdlyTXSDoAergrn1tQAD+kiw Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74408 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 02:25:48 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Matt, I think that expresses far better than I could a lot of what I was trying to get at - and helps to clarify it for me. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 03:13:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 72ED33BF78; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: SemiOT: Roland VG-99 vs GuitarRig3 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 20:14:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000101c7f5b4$24ed0520$6ec70f60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf1qtRldAnLkmMBRhS4ydKC/HQIFQACSBDw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dace805610000e018.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74409 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Has anyone had a chance to try or compare the VG-99 or the new GR3 ? -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:00:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AAAB33BF65; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:00:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070912205220.00e14e68@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:02:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <027d01c7f587$70ce5930$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-304A7F1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74410 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:00:19 +0000 (UTC) -K, let me chime in here; :) RE: the whole idea of 'too easy...' What if, rather than being an idea of being too easy, it's simply an idea of wanting to promote a certain specific sonic quality or ambience of a piece which is just too much or varied for the performer to play all at once?... So, in essence, the backing tracks are being used as specific 'instruments...' I personally feel that all of the bits of a performance that a performer deems necessary are important for the performance as a whole... It's not whether a piece can 'stand' by itself but would it have the same impact?... -or one that the performer intended?... Anyway, terrific topic!!! Have an awesome evening All!... Smiles, CQ :) At 10:54 PM 9/12/2007 +0100, you wrote: >Well, so far I think I'm the only one who has a problem with it, and, as I >tried to express, perhaps not well, I'm more ambivalent about it than >condemnatory, and I'm struggling a bit with my attitude. The problem for me >is probably that it just seems too easy (not that it's easy to prepare the >prerecorded sounds). I think there have to be limits to confront in live >performance. Superman needs Kryptonite in order to be interesting.... > >And I also can enjoy going to a room with great speakers and listening to >totally prerecorded pieces. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: qua@oregon.com [mailto:qua@oregon.com] > > > > I don't understand the problem some folks have with artists using bits of > > pre-recorded material in their live or recorded presentations. e.g. > > triggering a found sound you've recorded, or a sound you designed, or even > > a loop you just recorded, or a video or backing track you've prepared. If > > this bothers you, please elaborate... seriously, I'd like to know more > > about your why you feel this way. > > > > -Qua > > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: >9/11/2007 1:37 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 1:37 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 04:49:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 630F63BF71; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:49:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=i5ye+BZJMUIJcp8eifs9y2sSuBCEf3Zk6bg46LIjFtc=; b=GdHTkbGXLtQi+P0HjBTBVUz84sI5zHVV8AwYEk+Fm5hLHfIFDdNnaIsj85pBWy9/SyLMh+zYuknQUAZ7jgRVNduan9Y/fvesI2lcX8dZsf51w8TwRLqhwzM3jo/Z6STF+QRq5IK0kPZy3fOogVaM9rXKJb/toYCW0efEatZAQFE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JrIVi8Myjw3oBYrF/HGt/Nv1DmBeX3RqW6y43RnZol2n2wUagwafF/nSm5pZsixNiRX12QPzIlRAcLhtGZoo354+rr1ieBvwIBGxFiCwVy3HHQyypEAJ4kfUzZX7qyPxoqU24h657wgBPjE/YqgKF//oYVeStE/nfiZxEd1H0y8= Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:49:29 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <027d01c7f587$70ce5930$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> <027d01c7f587$70ce5930$819ca8c0@warren5d67d038> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74411 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 04:49:31 +0000 (UTC) I'm also not too fond of pre-recorded tracks, for many reasons, but basically I believe that a performer earns their applause by successfully doing something difficult in front of an audience. However, I've found that many non-musicians don't really care that much if they think that you're playing while being accompanied by a CD of backing tracks. On 9/12/07, Warren Sirota wrote: > Well, so far I think I'm the only one who has a problem with it, and, as I > tried to express, perhaps not well, I'm more ambivalent about it than > condemnatory, and I'm struggling a bit with my attitude. The problem for me > is probably that it just seems too easy (not that it's easy to prepare the > prerecorded sounds). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 05:01:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5AF33BF78; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:01:42 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: paul Subject: Re: SemiOT: Roland VG-99 vs GuitarRig3 In-Reply-To: <000101c7f5b4$24ed0520$6ec70f60$@com> References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> <000101c7f5b4$24ed0520$6ec70f60$@com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070913050150.539C614DB9@ns4.tnt21.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74412 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 05:01:55 +0000 (UTC) the vg99 is still not available in north america.... Paul Haslem Ontario, Canada www.dulcify.ca At 11:14 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >Has anyone had a chance to try or compare the VG-99 or the new GR3 ? > >-Qua From Service@WellsFargo.com Thu Sep 13 08:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 64841 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:04:27 UTC Received: from fakebake.com (fakebake.com [69.36.186.76]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FF53BF50 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User (static062038218151.dsl.hol.gr [62.38.218.151]) (authenticated bits=0) by fakebake.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l8CE1Nlm020910; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:01:31 -0600 Message-Id: <200709121401.l8CE1Nlm020910@fakebake.com> Reply-To: From: "Service@WellsFargo.com" Subject: Wells Fargo Online Banking and Bill Pay Services Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 17:02:34 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Wells Fargo Letter



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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:37:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9CA523BF58; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00a901c7f61b$e710b450$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: Subject: Another Input Device... Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:36:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74414 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:37:15 +0000 (UTC) ...and it reminds me of Fruity Loops' interface. :) Anyone see this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SGwDhKTrwU From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:51:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 747563BF50; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:51:38 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-reply-to: <5.2.1.1.0.20070912205220.00e14e68@mail.onemodelplace.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <00ef01c7f61d$f8b53c60$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf1up4vxDFT43GPS/SlgTVCZso7jQAYtbzA Resent-Message-ID: <59zHlB.A.r6H.UyV6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74415 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:51:49 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Cara Quinn [mailto:CaraQuinn@onemodelplace.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 5:03 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? > NOW:Prerecordedmaterial > > -K, let me chime in here; :) > > RE: the whole idea of 'too easy...' > > What if, rather than being an idea of being too easy, it's simply an > idea of wanting to promote a certain specific sonic quality or ambience of > a piece which is just too much or varied for the performer to play all at > once?... > > So, in essence, the backing tracks are being used as specific > 'instruments...' On further reflection, I certainly don't have an issue with a performer triggering prerecorded samples or clips as an instrument, but having static "backing tracks" is less fun for me. If there are active backing tracks - ones that respond in some way to what's being played - that makes it a whole different ball of wax for me (but of course, that's rather rare). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 15:52:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037343BF74; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:52:16 EDT Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c7a.1a661e4a.341ab6b0_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74416 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:52:58 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c7a.1a661e4a.341ab6b0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/07 12:49:38 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > I believe that a performer earns their applause by > successfully doing something difficult in front of an audience. > rubbing my xtra large tummy and patting my head at the same time is "difficult" playing music is a joy.....travis, why do you say "difficult", interesting use of the word.....perhaps i have never really suffered for my art and over the years have easily perfected my mistakes.....i've said it in the past, i'm pretty shallow when it comes to lofty thoughts....."what does your music mean, where does it come from?".....DUH!.....turn it up!.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c7a.1a661e4a.341ab6b0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I believe that a perf= ormer earns their applause by
successfully doing something difficult in front of an audience.


rubbing my xtra large tummy and patting my head at the same time is "diff= icult" playing music is a joy.....travis, why do you say "difficult", intere= sting use of the word.....perhaps i have never really suffered for my art an= d over the years have easily perfected my mistakes.....i've said it in the p= ast, i'm pretty shallow when it comes to lofty thoughts....."what does your=20= music mean, where does it come from?".....DUH!.....turn it up!.....:).....mi= chael



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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c7a.1a661e4a.341ab6b0_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:04:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5B7653BF69; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4fqD36mbm9Fq1SQRkmYEzWxMmXCfd/h5S+s/fcQ8Y64=; b=V6YlvaMQyc2Gtl5i19Vdx1lbfnhICmqG8sO0rJXmRM6obsu2b5FmHzL/fQ9DigKpG7k1lhGFJbBp+KPmVZSl52EGI36ITm2EeetF/wtOrOUioBTOxlJ3ukT4MK1z5bw3uCejfgA84b/fpPkzGjFsBo5s7sBKIvSBSru//WKdNSE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jxQMJB4E1RF8YOxWV3wsfH/yuUis9Pzde7Vo1sw7OU85eIOC2vIa5er2gseu7tfBJfMmVRG3su3QQSnsZtg2ZxklxJ/psoZltV+NJdhKgNKRrnSBIXbjO6+n9xA/livV5uYK1jPpHJvQhMhvj86MsyNVxkLL4tR25IddPfq+zus= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:04:03 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74417 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Because it takes years of effort to play music really well. Most people pick up an instrument and can't reliably get a pleasing sound out of it. Or in the case of some instruments, really any sound at all. People admire the skill required to perform an act, be it playing music or playing basketball, in addition to appreciating the immediate thrill factor of experiencing "Flight Of The Bumblebee" or hard drive down the court culminating in a slam dunk in the closing seconds of a basketball game. It doesn't necessarily require "suffering". On 9/13/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/13/07 12:49:38 AM, travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > > I believe that a performer earns their applause by > successfully doing something difficult in front of an audience. > > > rubbing my xtra large tummy and patting my head at the same time is "difficult" playing music is a joy.....travis, why do you say "difficult", interesting use of the word.....perhaps i have never really suffered for my art and over the years have easily perfected my mistakes..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:10:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 364E13BF7A; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:10:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74418 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:10:29 +0000 (UTC) ---- Original Message ----- > I believe that a performer earns their applause by successfully doing something difficult in front of an audience. >> rubbing my xtra large tummy and patting my head at the same time is >> "difficult" playing music is a joy.....travis, why do you say >> "difficult", interesting use of the word.....perhaps i have never really >> suffered for my art and over the years have easily perfected my >> mistakes.....i've said it in the past, i'm pretty shallow when it comes >> to lofty thoughts....."what does your music mean, where does it come >> from?".....DUH!.....turn it up!.....:).....michael I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The idea of "earning" an applause doesn't ring well with me anyway. Only speaking personally and not for anyone else...I don't feel I owe anything to an audience. I know, it sounds egocentric. I play for myself and what I want. If people like it, great (and inevitably someone does, otherwise I wouldn't be asked back repeatedly). And if people like it and express themselves, I extend my sincere thanks and appreciate to them openly...but I don't cater to any audience need or feel to need to earn anything. And I certainly don't guage the artistic merit of my work based on a herd-like metric like applause. I am an artist expressing myself the way I want...the audience can take it or leave it. This is probably relevant to the avant-garde arts, so I would not say this is valid necessarily for pop music, where musicians become commodities in free enterprise and mere pawns for the record labels and producers to generate revenue. Those capitalistic slaves can earn their applause....but not my cup of tea. :) Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, urinating on stage, etc). In short, the statement "If I do something difficult, this deserves an applause" could be a true statement in one context, but the statement, "If I get an applause, I must have done something difficult" is certainly a statement that cannot be univerally true. That seems intuitive to me. It takes one counter-example fact to nullify that statement.....easily done. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:20:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85DCD3BF79; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d0701c7f622$0615a030$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:20:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74419 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:20:40 +0000 (UTC) Though, I have a very low level of confidence that the general public is any position to say what is difficult or not. People constantly validate their ignorance of hat is really underlying performances in terms of actual skill, vs. flash or appearance. Even prominent public figures who are supposed to know better make this mistake. In one Fresh Air interview with Terri Gross, she erroneously assumed that the clarinet was one of the most difficult instruments to play in the classical arena (probably based on her own instinct and listening to the instrument), but the conductor/composer (some famous and reputable person I can't recall) had to correct here...not true. Now the Oboe is a different story. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Because it takes years of effort to play music really well. > > Most people pick up an instrument and can't reliably get a pleasing > sound out of it. Or in the case of some instruments, really any sound > at all. People admire the skill required to perform an act, be it > playing music or playing basketball, in addition to appreciating the > immediate thrill factor of experiencing "Flight Of The Bumblebee" or > hard drive down the court culminating in a slam dunk in the closing > seconds of a basketball game. > > It doesn't necessarily require "suffering". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:41:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 657E73BF7D; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:41:45 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c7f624$f8efa920$eacefb60$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf2Ic5etbcvii2dTs+XZD/hb5/ozQAAoMKA Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {63F95527-6896-42C3-8EB5-7AEC5F8CC371} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: CodN Cw0b Da5v DomS DtlH EM5/ EY5G GAou G5dP HGUe HV/v H+la IeJ8 Jr9k KAJM Ljkx;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{63F95527-6896-42C3-8EB5-7AEC5F8CC371};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:30 GMT;UgBFADoAIABXAEEAUwA6ACAAVwBoAG8AIAB1AHMAZQBzACAAbABvAG8AcABpAG4AZwAgAGkAbgAgAHQAaABlAGkAcgAgAHAAcgBvAG0AbwAgAG0AYQB0AGUAcgBpAGEAbAA/ACAATgBPAFcAOgBQAHIAZQByAGUAYwBvAHIAZABlAGQAbQBhAHQAZQByAGkAYQBsAA== X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D6a3207c10000f69a.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74420 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:41:39 +0000 (UTC) I think that applause from "doing something difficult" comes mostly from musicians or aficionados, or judges. I'd say that the average listener would not rate 'degree of difficulty' as high as other factors , such as emotional or other connection with the music/artist - no matter how simple or difficult it is "perceived" to be. Of course there are many other factors to be considered. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:42:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8FEC53BF89; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=NPA0xFGUaFhYoeWSwxTsUyhF57yAETAECwFy910CFt1rOKRVUZH4v/qyakJYPLM0pJcxlyE+sl6IJx31fzz+NVCkHxokpkscPSNnzHyu3TspuexUibMkwrHObRoz2sBgPTArH9GMmerdho39O6LiXi9zZ44t1of6c3cWsUcjTZ4=; X-YMail-OSG: RYpdtU8VM1n5O7jTChy_kSYSoViONLWDmdPBBUO9mKpFoFxhTHrnVjVoxXi_PdG1SAdcS66hNThB_j_MpnEY__1vclnszzzcrg8UptHmnjGiS.ShCJtyEI6bwrs- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:42:03 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: user tips on Line 6 DL4 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <602108.90826.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74421 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I am the owner of a line 6 dl4. Please tell me - are there (even with this simple looper) any good user tips - regarding (making interesting) looping ? best regards Rune F. _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 16:49:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A2C263BF94; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=r2O04v1rpVXP8sOvFbbxYCSAUpjGvru4iL+Kg4O6nBk=; b=PYA+dbkdbWlDjyvySvxs51iOmbEL+oLD2LT1rwT3q/1NPXn5JjQwjOtY7/FAPy0e/6O/AxIbXMJ/K6KZnzRduAZ+1puSZPiSfkOZzWPDqn746uOP+CkYJBP480yMoAKYar4jqLYr1w/3cTg2t/2PIQms+Ta3I0PMw9uVPbUvlx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UEEyzxqrDbtBHfssPEwJ2XUBOFY1JVBSH+Fo/GoQHY2rEb7AQ5Fd2JlPFDMeDGWkv+jThpvS/fBmnRthSrr+3x0diyjxbzgVBGIxVn+07Uh3zq6fTi7Z2s2uIQA86QWVJbMfzCLnf73+G2Ss4fW2xr2sCnR6TBz/WWBrNMxyl/k= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 09:49:53 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74422 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:49:56 +0000 (UTC) On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, not the animals. > > Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth > exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to > warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there > are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to > audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself > in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, > urinating on stage, etc). Those things are not simple acts to perform. TH From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A47F73BF7A; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Old-X-Envelope-From: Old-X-Envelope-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-943701208 Message-Id: <4F1415D1-73A8-4896-B07E-B2EB8C706D16@stellarsound.net> From: Tom Washatka Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:24:58 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on smtp2.ntd.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-EATSERVER-Metrics: smtp2.ntd.net 1166; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <1Qel9D.A.lVE.uJX6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74423 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-943701208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best. Tom On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: > On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> >> >> I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? > > The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, > not the animals. > >> >> Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth >> exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient >> condition to >> warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning >> that there >> are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to >> audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of >> oneself >> in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like >> rockstar demigod, >> urinating on stage, etc). > > Those things are not simple acts to perform. > > TH > > --Apple-Mail-2-943701208 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't care about the listener = or applause.=A0 It makes my life easier.=A0 I'm the one listening.=A0 If = they like it, great if they don't, oh well.=A0 I just go out and do my = best.=A0 If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my = best.

Tom

O= n Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> = wrote:


I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or = artists?
The applause during circus = performances is intended for the trainer,
not the = animals.

=
Though there is an underlying = logic to Travis' comments that is worth
warrant audience applause, but = not a necessary condition, meaning that there
are other factors besides doing something difficult = that may lead to
audience applause (like saying = stupid things, making an ass out of oneself
in = front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar = demigod,
urinating on stage, etc).
=

Those things are not simple acts to = perform.

TH

=

= --Apple-Mail-2-943701208-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:25:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A52DE3BF81; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:25:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=3DRICf+9yCCT2G322AbVf1/YrYeDLZ/yuqVsaaxvDwA=; b=B7JaP8t+PCd61aua1b3pcYq2NANKUKnUBiWjbc2mJoAAYs3dOCwcAJFJoaj5WrEapkBVKsTDICAkoBp/zA8CUbgO9JY5XFjfqRUeeNN+MVG1SmhkfoGWTvKNf+YnXtlPkgi4FL/l6c7mw9Yurb7giPlunZgMV+DXuyVVjf17tyk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=oi6GYtO/HvRk4HEFAybT5Vivn6pj8cpAyw1Q7oh59ziAUo2dOctZxxw1AlQmj1mbbobJkNZ+cxuKRvUfqww3ruLSDK6/x3SnZIl2FJjsUNj0997AkaSdR0y1wwKv1eTGESXiqnRnFZL8HIpfDquGrZz4gad2vQNax59Ct64yeEc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:25:23 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74424 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:25:27 +0000 (UTC) When someone comes backstage after a gig to say "your show was so impressing" my immediate reaction is distrust. But I try to not to show this reaction, because it may very well be that this person does really feel impressed. And I just don't know how to handle that, because according to my understanding there must be something wrong with a person that experiences music as "being impressed". I feel sorry for him and at the same time I feel alienated because I really can't share his feelings. I think the healthy reaction to hearing good music being performed would be to simply get happy and enjoy oneself in that moment. And if anything needs to be said to the player after a concert one could just thank him/her for providing the setting for having such a good time. Defining concerts as "difficult performances" just gives me the creeps....u-u-uh..... ;-) p ,-) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:28:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 111293BF84; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00ed01c7f62b$7fffb6c0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <602108.90826.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: user tips on Line 6 DL4 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:28:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+w1gkev3idhsMl2C1hSH5rPfGzdTe8xUP5Aop yRfMZqsjBkP48WKHe8xAxZji07ZNipOPAMJ5NAsGPyBQtEWNqD xNKIfIfFV/rZwWN6SW5RZQEf67hoQeA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74425 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) yes, there are: most important to me: in half speed the loop length is doubled. (might be a no-brainer) you can record something with the looper and play it as one shot with button 3. you can also stutter the loop i.e. start it several times in short succession. you can loop something and while you do it, step on button 4 twice. part of your loop will be recorded double speed. if you start the other way round, it will be half speed. you can loop something, change speed with button 4 and record in real time on top of it. if you hit button 4 again, your first loop will be right normal speed and your second loop half speed. you can do the same with the reverse function - step on button 4 for a longer period of time. you can also combine reverse and double speed/half speed. here is an important info: always make sure the buttons (i should call them switches probably) are screwed tight to the dl4. if one of them falls apart, you need microsurgical talent to screw it back in, cause there is very little space to manouvre inside and the inner cap has a spring that forces the cap away from the place it is supposed to be screwed to. smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "rune fagereng" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: user tips on Line 6 DL4 > Hi ! > > I am the owner of a line 6 dl4. Please tell me - are > there (even with this simple looper) any good user > tips - regarding (making interesting) looping ? > > best regards Rune F. > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og > notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:37:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 606F03BF96; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0d2e01c7f62c$c213cd20$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:37:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74426 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:37:32 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > When someone comes backstage after a gig to say "your show was so > impressing" my immediate reaction is distrust. Me too, Per! It's just a ploy to get us in the sack and steal our limelight. Damn looping groupies, anway. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:42:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 050933BF94; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:42:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=+f6w9EObWbZNMiq6zHgOuex9xgjCNFc62M7goeHJTfQ=; b=Pehbx5U0t7gHNC1R4BsldEH28uZHiCDVJGDmgMYvloUf0LvgrytDBhHjcIDla8rBBlnnS8Cj+xJk1HiM3xRLaQHuIJ/2NZWie/yjWhdX7l3vswxxMQjEWoAzxe88C4gB5DJFdWQxz8HUNXIYqQvkoVr8pcKhFSFk7EuNe6BohWE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Vqg2WbPgwGF3rSs9YPcc3dBeUgOBUTez9E20+HbhIq00CAIx+48/Y85LWVl9xmMx2Ph4TM7yW7B9EFhoX0Ei2mqzlhUZFcZt995V7Pl/iwS3Ve027odGj6kVrBQOlS90tQLgYOoAe7X+EYgLHVkkphHon7U7/A8ev8M7ybL3K6w= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 10:41:58 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-Reply-To: <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74427 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:42:01 +0000 (UTC) The audience's recognition and appreciation of the difficulty of presenting something worthwhile happens in a mostly subconscious manner. The "difficulty" being measured and appreciated is not necessarily tied to the physical complexity being employed, but rather whatever efforts are required to produce a desirable experience for the audience. Now, if you're at a performance of Rachmaninoff's Fifth Piano Concerto, it's going to require a lot of notes played quickly and precisely. Other musics may not. If audience members are actively considering the difficulty of the performer's action, you're probably at a musical contest. Some people find them enjoyable. On 9/13/07, Per Boysen wrote: > When someone comes backstage after a gig to say "your show was so > impressing" my immediate reaction is distrust. But I try to not to > show this reaction, because it may very well be that this person does > really feel impressed. And I just don't know how to handle that, > because according to my understanding there must be something wrong > with a person that experiences music as "being impressed". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:48:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D98723BFA3; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:48:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:49:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19+GV/sjIesDvVVda0dF+KCClXGNtO/zfnPx13 Sc0i7s+VFUzJ+Kl1pBwRTCshrgdi+OgH0kIkgCOtD9oUAOWMyu q0g4vAiXtEdiIkmE2rqFkYRV1JGbPw/ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74428 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:48:45 +0000 (UTC) hi per, i get your point. i also hate standard phrases and distrust them. concerning verbal audience reactions i generally have a pretty positive attitude. when someone comes to me after a concert to tell me that the concert was great, i simply say thank you. even if i disagree and just had a miserable time on stage (happens once in a while, such is life). for the person to come behind stage and say ANYTHING is already a nice thing. something in the music must have touched that person deeply to take the effort to approach me. i don't take the content of comments too seriously because lots of people have very little experience with live music - and probably music in general. once somebody came to me and said: "that's really nice, what you are doing there with your clarinet!" i said thank you and explained, that the instrument i was holding in my hand was a flute... anybody out there with stories like this? (i bet there is...) smooth looping - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) > When someone comes backstage after a gig to say "your show was so > impressing" my immediate reaction is distrust. But I try to not to show > this reaction, because it may very well be that this person does really > feel impressed. And I just don't know how to handle that, because > according to my understanding there must be something wrong with a person > that experiences music as "being impressed". I feel sorry for him and at > the same time I feel alienated because I really can't share his feelings. > I think the healthy reaction to hearing good music being performed would > be to simply get happy and enjoy oneself in that moment. And if anything > needs to be said to the player after a concert one could just thank > him/her for providing the setting for having such a good time. Defining > concerts as "difficult performances" just gives me the > creeps....u-u-uh..... ;-) > > p ,-) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:51:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 33E433BF9A; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:51:03 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-reply-to: <0d2e01c7f62c$c213cd20$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <014e01c7f62e$a75061e0$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf2LMghw1VdKro/S/2OMxEDcZbGLQAAJVow Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74429 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:51:11 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > When someone comes backstage after a gig to say "your show was so > > impressing" my immediate reaction is distrust. > > Me too, Per! It's just a ploy to get us in the sack and steal our > limelight. > Damn looping groupies, anway. :) > > Kris What a relief to find out that others have this problem too! It gets so I can hardly walk down the street without being mobbed sometimes... I'm not as contemptuous of audience relations as some others here. A performance is a social interaction. Applause is part of that interaction, and part of the context. I can play terrific music as background in a restaurant and have 2 people nod at me with satisfaction and feel good about it. If I'm totally ignored it feels a bit frustrating. If I'm playing with a singer and there's no applause after a piece it feels weird. I take none of these as a reflection on the quality of the music. Someone "earns" my applause, or inner approval, or repeat business by doing something interesting and perhaps beautiful on stage (or on recording). As a guitarist, I am sometimes envious of people with more facility than I, but only if they're using it to accomplish the above. And, in fact, I usually admire the knowledge, ear and taste far more than the facility - but sometimes the facility is integral to it (to take a single random example, say, in the case of Leo Kottke). Warren From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 17:54:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 650473BFB2; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:54:50 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> In-Reply-To: <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <5Li5lC.A.dIG.tlX6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74430 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Tilmann Dehnhard : > > once somebody came to me and said: "that's really nice, what you are > doing there with your clarinet!" > i said thank you and explained, that the instrument i was holding in my > hand was a flute... > > anybody out there with stories like this? (i bet there is...) > My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don't know anything about music." Once a person commented on my performance of a Bach Fugue -- meaning to say that my performance sounded spontaneous, he said, "That Fugue sounded like it was the first time you ever looked at it." After a pregnant pause, I said, "uh... was that a compliment?" We both got a good laugh out of it! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:01:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 563993BF88; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F630.0AE934B9" Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:01:00 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D79D@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <4F1415D1-73A8-4896-B07E-B2EB8C706D16@stellarsound.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Thread-Index: Acf2KwUWMU6+pK2pSOKKXSVzh3RvzgABPujw From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74431 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F630.0AE934B9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's the difference between art and the music business. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial =09 =09 I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best.=20 Tom On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, not the animals. Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, urinating on stage, etc). Those things are not simple acts to perform. TH ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F630.0AE934B9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
That's=20 the difference between art and the music business.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom = Washatka=20 [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, = 2007=20 12:25 PM
To: = Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I don't care = about the=20 listener or applause.  It makes my life easier.  I'm the one = listening.  If they like it, great if they don't, oh well.  = I just=20 go out and do my best.  If I tried to please the = listener I=20 wouldn't be doing my best.

Tom

On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:
On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:


I'm with yah, man. Are we circus = animals or=20 artists?

The applause during circus performances = is intended=20 for the trainer,
not the animals.


Though there is an underlying logic to = Travis'=20 comments that is worth
exploring, namely doing something = difficult may=20 be a sufficient condition to
warrant audience applause, but not a = necessary=20 condition, meaning that there
are other factors besides doing = something=20 difficult that may lead to
audience applause (like saying stupid = things,=20 making an ass out of oneself
in front of 10,000 people, strutting = around the=20 stage like rockstar demigod,
urinating on stage, = etc).

Those things are not simple acts to = perform.

TH



------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F630.0AE934B9-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:03:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 18B953BFB4; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015f01c7f630$7b792af0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net><567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com><012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promomaterial? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:04:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX196qNl+9qLhysjpdqIh9ImJFvHKdECOa2GfBmu /PIxGP+gQuRleFyZV3nDdjpJBYmnGK2cVDBtHAwV5+5qdXXSPQ eO3kRYrKTrE7UiPjRvAbh0/h+KjxmZh Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74432 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:03:41 +0000 (UTC) >"That Fugue sounded like it was the first time you ever looked at it." hehe! there is also the slick comment of a colleague saying: "i have never heard you play like that before!". can be interpreted in two ways... tilmann From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:06:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2103BFC4; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:06:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=iL9aDN9ip1TWjZQwOhcMnKKdG9FnBzFlWMwlpAxiuy4=; b=DtfA/1SwALaXeskaM/cxwzRaMM8oIouFGZJWichc30Brs4rEDOuNjS5J9x5wLJLNvzexBrT5UYvvkikrnczHyAGIY8uACdN0q1ZksDm0ymsj1SQyj7EMcp7A5ouqYygBALs/6HL1ppsnMCSuJEwxnj+ZolzQKb1sONTYHidO0+s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KVQxh4xyd4hg89zhj/hDDTLb/SPXrAVTGs1DWS/MJQscQZ8uwj5ZYm3PgUZh5ZHB1Q96pYCsB1JwuIxVUuajf910b4YgzP/Q4pqI49BrGP4o8C0WL6bKiA80iywDdHiYwmLuW3zSOOjXyMjGN1pipwLupldMMjHuX7tgdCqRDeU= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1E4EDBD3-FF93-4DE4-870C-ACE80F7CA0FC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:06:17 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74433 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:06:21 +0000 (UTC) On 13 sep 2007, at 19.41, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Now, if you're at a performance of Rachmaninoff's Fifth > Piano Concerto, it's going to require a lot of notes played quickly > and precisely. Other musics may not. So true! But that does not say anything about whether it was a good musical performance. However, it probably was, because a person capable of going through the intense training that leads to the level of skill where one can play that stuff is likely to also have the required talent for doing it in an interesting way, as a performer. > If audience members are actively considering the difficulty of the > performer's action, you're probably at a musical contest. Some people > find them enjoyable. Yes, I know. And I have never understood why ;-) On 13 sep 2007, at 19.49, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > when someone comes to me after a concert to tell me that the > concert was great, i simply say thank you. > even if i disagree and just had a miserable time on stage (happens > once in a while, such is life). But experience proofs that you can deliver a good concert experience to listeners even when you think that you play quite badly. It's strange, but YOU as the performer is really not the most trustworthy person when it comes to putting a value on your own performance. > for the person to come behind stage and say ANYTHING is already a > nice thing. Indeed! That's why I try to stay away from confronting people that behave in ways or say things that appear ultimately strange to me. I mean, the whole damn universe may look completely different to every single person! > > once somebody came to me and said: "that's really nice, what you > are doing there with your clarinet!" > i said thank you and explained, that the instrument i was holding > in my hand was a flute... Ha, ha... that was a good one! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:09:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 159073BFD0; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Old-X-Envelope-From: Old-X-Envelope-To: In-Reply-To: <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-946366577 Message-Id: <00C22CFE-F1E9-4970-8A56-51A9DE9A5A0D@stellarsound.net> From: Tom Washatka Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:09:23 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.2, clamav-milter version 0.90.2 on smtp2.ntd.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-DCC-EATSERVER-Metrics: smtp2.ntd.net 1166; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Resent-Message-ID: <8H9D1B.A.zUH.YzX6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74434 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:09:29 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-946366577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed When I still played weddings I'd get some drunk asking "Can ya' play that one song?" I'd ask him what song? He'd say, "You know, that one song..." I ask "Can you sing a little of it?" He'd say, "No, but just start playin' it you'll get it". On Sep 13, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > once somebody came to me and said: "that's really nice, what you > are doing there with your clarinet!" > i said thank you and explained, that the instrument i was holding > in my hand was a flute... > > anybody out there with stories like this? (i bet there is...) --Apple-Mail-3-946366577 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I still played weddings I'd = get some drunk asking "Can ya' play that one song?"=A0 I'd ask him what = song?=A0 He'd say, "You know, that one song..."=A0 I ask "Can you sing a = little of it?"=A0 He'd say, "No, but just start playin' it you'll get = it".


On Sep 13, 2007, at = 12:49 PM, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote:

once somebody came to me and = said: "that's really nice, what you are doing there with your = clarinet!"

i said = thank you and explained, that the instrument i was holding in my hand = was a flute...


anybody out there with stories like = this? (i bet there is...)

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= --Apple-Mail-3-946366577-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21DBA3BFC6; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xer1Iluxt79cgibMl/MQnDIsRfJozsWnRsneddBywlY=; b=V9+8HWpHVhRWPeLbBBqoztKS8lPDnK4GkY7MKAC1kD0cwq9V0m9jK9CkLOW0f/3BpXoQjPky9Bjbjf4JSctIpEZJFtXJGyuzkcozoovVwlcSjGz9Ve82/u//QiezZZxUhXaCU1U/YlmE7B7QQMabYeBbGf3LGyiF6x63jj3XK3Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=GP1BYyPIaZuYUVyE/VR4+dEAGa34R+D05QF5YLSu2Zbg6jpPVpziO6SXLXVe5JGZ59UO+nWCzO4fUcyeOhIASr0FImBIcPZ14pIRMAkzbGwSZmY18ePapruotJYBWqXTcHF8l53LrhNpalkHy2iR27KAF1TlTef1urO4c4Z4p/w= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7CE87568-22F8-4696-ADFC-747B487C1DB8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:22:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74435 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:22:45 +0000 (UTC) On 13 sep 2007, at 19.54, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don't > know anything about music." LOL! Actually that's quite a complement. Last year I was invited, as "something different", to play sax looping improvisations at a "Singer Song-writers Evening" at a local beer pub. All the regular acts did bad imitations of Dylan, The BAnd, etc, etc. I really felt like everybody hated me when I entered the stage and started building a rhythm by beating the sax without blowing into it. People just stared. "Seconds before the zombie attack"... kind of. One particularly huge guy right before the stage were staring more than anyone. He never moved, only to finish beer after beer after beer. When I was finished he waved me over. I sat down at his table. He stared. Silence. Then he said "I did NOT like what you were doing. But it was the fucking craziest thing I've ever witnessed. Thank you!" Then it turned out that he was a contra bass clarinet player with the symphony and used to have compositions written particularly for him. Wow, that was weird. I'm glad I had been challenging his beer-staring by playing even noisier during my set (as opposed trying to figure out what people expected to hear me doing. 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NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:44:22 +0000 Message-Id: <091320071844.6778.46E9850600091B0300001A7A2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6778_1189709062_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74436 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:44:25 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6778_1189709062_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, right?) Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an audience, making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I got out of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me. Just my experience. I realize everyones different. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Bailey" That's the difference between art and the music business. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best. Tom On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, not the animals. Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, urinating on stage, etc). Those things are not simple acts to perform. TH --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6778_1189709062_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, right?) Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an audience, making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I got out of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me.
Just my experience. I realize everyones different.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Bailey" <jbailey@wsimail.com>
That's the difference between art and the music business.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial

I don't care about the listener or applause.  It makes my life easier.  I'm the one listening.  If they like it, great if they don't, oh well.  I just go out and do my best.  If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best.

Tom

On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:


I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists?

The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer,
not the animals.


Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth
exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to
warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there
are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to
audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself
in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod,
urinating on stage, etc).

Those things are not simple acts to perform.

TH



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_6778_1189709062_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:46:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AE2953BFC0; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:46:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F636.66C930CE" Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:46:31 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D7A9@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <091320071844.6778.46E9850600091B0300001A7A2216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Thread-Index: Acf2NhvHg8ORQP5dQlGi+kZis3rxcQAADssg From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74437 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:46:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F636.66C930CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Did you take Livingston Taylor's performance class at Berk by chance? -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial =09 =09 I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, right?) Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an audience, making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I got out of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me.=20 Just my experience. I realize everyones different.=20 =20 -------------- Original message --------------=20 From: "Jim Bailey" =20 =09 That's the difference between art and the music business. =20 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial =09 =09 I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best.=20 Tom On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, not the animals. Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, urinating on stage, etc). Those things are not simple acts to perform. TH ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F636.66C930CE Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Did=20 you take Livingston Taylor's performance class at Berk by=20 chance?
-----Original Message-----
From:=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]=20
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:44 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: WAS: Who = uses=20 looping in their promo material? = NOW:Prerecordedmaterial

I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, = right?)=20 Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an = audience,=20 making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I = got out=20 of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me.
Just my experience. I realize everyones different.
 
--------------=20 Original message --------------
From: "Jim Bailey"=20 <jbailey@wsimail.com>
That's the difference between art and the music=20 business.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: = Tom Washatka=20 [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net]
Sent: Thursday, September = 13,=20 2007 12:25 PM
To:=20 Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: WAS: = Who uses=20 looping in their promo material?=20 NOW:Prerecordedmaterial

I don't care about the listener = or=20 applause.  It makes my life easier.  I'm the one=20 listening.  If they like it, great if they don't, oh = well.  I=20 just go out and do my best.  If I tried to please the = listener I=20 wouldn't be doing my best.=20

Tom

On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net>=20 wrote:


I'm with yah, man. Are we circus = animals or=20 artists?

The applause during circus = performances is=20 intended for the trainer,
not the animals.


Though there is an underlying logic = to=20 Travis' comments that is worth
exploring, namely doing something = difficult=20 may be a sufficient condition to
warrant audience applause, but not = a=20 necessary condition, meaning that there
are other factors besides doing = something=20 difficult that may lead to
audience applause (like saying = stupid things,=20 making an ass out of oneself
in front of 10,000 people, = strutting around=20 the stage like rockstar demigod,
urinating on stage, = etc).

Those things are not simple acts to=20 perform.

TH



------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F636.66C930CE-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:48:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C40133BFC9; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <00C22CFE-F1E9-4970-8A56-51A9DE9A5A0D@stellarsound.net> In-Reply-To: <00C22CFE-F1E9-4970-8A56-51A9DE9A5A0D@stellarsound.net> Subject: RE: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: <002d01c7f636$a6a92bc0$f3fb8340$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7F5FB.FA4A53C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf2MmxacBdlTMIvTr+xvB1EJ2I8yQABBSgw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D87dc062f000048ca.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74438 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:48:02 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7F5FB.FA4A53C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another advantage of using pre-recorded sounds, clips - simply play your own applause ! (or laugh track ;-) -Qua ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7F5FB.FA4A53C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another advantage of using pre-recorded sounds, = clips  - simply play your own applause  !  (or laugh track = ;-)

 

-Qua

------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C7F5FB.FA4A53C0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:51:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 471E53BF89; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:51:44 +0000 Message-Id: <091320071851.9937.46E986C0000DC246000026D12216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9937_1189709504_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74439 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:51:46 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9937_1189709504_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I use some limited backing tracks for certain gigs. But I use Ableton Live and fully utilize follow actions. Drum/percussion parts as well bass lines can be almost totally randomized. They will never behave the same way twice. Follow actions are incredibly underutilized feature in Live. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Warren Sirota > > On further reflection, I certainly don't have an issue with a performer > triggering prerecorded samples or clips as an instrument, but having static > "backing tracks" is less fun for me. If there are active backing tracks - > ones that respond in some way to what's being played - that makes it a whole > different ball of wax for me (but of course, that's rather rare). > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9937_1189709504_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I use some limited backing tracks for certain gigs. But I use Ableton Live and fully utilize follow actions. Drum/percussion parts as well bass lines can be almost totally randomized. They will never behave the same way twice. Follow actions are incredibly underutilized feature in Live.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com>


>
> On further reflection, I certainly don't have an issue with a performer
> triggering prerecorded samples or clips as an instrument, but having static
> "backing tracks" is less fun for me. If there are active backing tracks -
> ones that respond in some way to what's being played - that makes it a whole
> different ball of wax for me (but of course, that's rather rare).
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_9937_1189709504_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB603BFC1; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:54:53 +0000 Message-Id: <091320071854.23426.46E9877D000914F900005B822216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23426_1189709693_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74440 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:54:55 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23426_1189709693_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After my time. I was out in 89' -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Bailey" Did you take Livingston Taylor's performance class at Berk by chance? -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:44 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, right?) Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an audience, making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I got out of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me. Just my experience. I realize everyones different. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jim Bailey" That's the difference between art and the music business. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best. Tom On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote: On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists? The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer, not the animals. Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod, urinating on stage, etc). Those things are not simple acts to perform. TH --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23426_1189709693_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
After my time. I was out in 89'
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Bailey" <jbailey@wsimail.com>
Did you take Livingston Taylor's performance class at Berk by chance?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:44 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
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I came out of Berklee thinking this way. Very snobby. (typical, right?) Then I subbed in a great bar band. Actually interacting with an audience, making people shake there booty, feeling energy, changed everything. I got out of Boston, AWAY from musicians. It seems way more real for me.
Just my experience. I realize everyones different.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Jim Bailey" <jbailey@wsimail.com>
That's the difference between art and the music business.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Washatka [mailto:tom@stellarsound.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial

I don't care about the listener or applause.  It makes my life easier.  I'm the one listening.  If they like it, great if they don't, oh well.  I just go out and do my best.  If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be doing my best.

Tom

On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:49 AM, Travis Hartnett wrote:

On 9/13/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:


I'm with yah, man. Are we circus animals or artists?

The applause during circus performances is intended for the trainer,
not the animals.


Though there is an underlying logic to Travis' comments that is worth
exploring, namely doing something difficult may be a sufficient condition to
warrant audience applause, but not a necessary condition, meaning that there
are other factors besides doing something difficult that may lead to
audience applause (like saying stupid things, making an ass out of oneself
in front of 10,000 people, strutting around the stage like rockstar demigod,
urinating on stage, etc).

Those things are not simple acts to perform.

TH



--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23426_1189709693_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 18:56:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B4FB3BFC7; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:55:58 +0000 Message-Id: <091320071855.29220.46E987BE00098EC9000072242216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29220_1189709758_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74441 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:56:00 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29220_1189709758_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've done that! People usually appreciate the joke. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Qua Veda" Another advantage of using pre-recorded sounds, clips - simply play your own applause ! (or laugh track ;-) -Qua --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29220_1189709758_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I've done that! People usually appreciate the joke.
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Qua Veda" <qua@oregon.com>

Another advantage of using pre-recorded sounds, clips  - simply play your own applause  !  (or laugh track ;-)

 

-Qua

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_29220_1189709758_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 19:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7FC453BFAC; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E9946F.602@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:50:07 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: circus animals? References: <20070913184802.0A7FE3BFC8@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070913184802.0A7FE3BFC8@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74442 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Here's a personal experience about audiences, or rather one's perception of audience. My first real instrument was tuba, and in middle school I played in the marching band. One Sunday we were playing at a big parade, with me at the left side of a row of brass, and as usual my vision was completely obscured due to the huge white bell. About 20 minutes into the march, I heard a light clang, like a pebble being thrown against fiberglass. Soon there were more clangs, and more, and soon I became aware of a shuffling sound down in the bowels of the sousaphone. I quickly realized that people were throwing stuff INSIDE my horn, and it was piling up inside. The rain of dings continued, and I got more and more pissed off, no doubt exacerbated by the fact of being a 90-pound dude carrying a 25-pound instrument in full sun for an hour. Finally, I'd had it. As my right hand continued to work the three valves to "El Capitan", I stuck my left hand out in front of the enormous bell and raised my middle finger in mute rage. I couldn't see any of the people who were suffering the curse of The Bird, but I knew it was working, as the clanging started to die down. Finally, we reached the end of the parade route. I threw the horn off my shoulder with great relief, and sat down to catch my breath. As the rest of the band began to pack up, I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it of the debris...and out tinkled several dollars in small change. Tips. Somewhere in there is a useful metaphor. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 20:05:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF6CD3BF62; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:05:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=KaVmGtOSGWqtZY3cF1+dod2shh6kqVaGGHUexxC9fAmia0Rf/nD8fSqbXOCWuhW9; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23136654.1189713926393.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rustique.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 13:05:25 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Re: circus animals? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd485ecbb634d952df139cbd28d576aa0327a8438e0f32a48e08350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.48 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74443 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:05:27 +0000 (UTC) i also played sousaphone in my high school band and i dont think its a metaphor but-our band room was right off the cafeteria and one practice day i could not get sound out of the bass horn. so, we turned it up side down to see if anything was down in the bell and out came banana peels, eaten apples, balled up lunch paper bags, old lettuce and paper napkins...you know how hungry certain instruments can get. i dont think my sound improved after that either :-) staninsanfran -----Original Message----- >From: Daryl Shawn >Sent: Sep 13, 2007 12:50 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: OT: Re: circus animals? > >Here's a personal experience about audiences, or rather one's perception >of audience. My first real instrument was tuba, and in middle school I >played in the marching band. One Sunday we were playing at a big parade, >with me at the left side of a row of brass, and as usual my vision was >completely obscured due to the huge white bell. About 20 minutes into >the march, I heard a light clang, like a pebble being thrown against >fiberglass. Soon there were more clangs, and more, and soon I became >aware of a shuffling sound down in the bowels of the sousaphone. I >quickly realized that people were throwing stuff INSIDE my horn, and it >was piling up inside. The rain of dings continued, and I got more and >more pissed off, no doubt exacerbated by the fact of being a 90-pound >dude carrying a 25-pound instrument in full sun for an hour. > >Finally, I'd had it. As my right hand continued to work the three valves >to "El Capitan", I stuck my left hand out in front of the enormous bell >and raised my middle finger in mute rage. I couldn't see any of the >people who were suffering the curse of The Bird, but I knew it was >working, as the clanging started to die down. > >Finally, we reached the end of the parade route. I threw the horn off my >shoulder with great relief, and sat down to catch my breath. As the rest >of the band began to pack up, I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it >of the debris...and out tinkled several dollars in small change. Tips. > >Somewhere in there is a useful metaphor. > >Daryl Shawn >www.swanwelder.com >www.chinapaintingmusic.com > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 20:07:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA94A3BFC8; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:05:10 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: Re: circus animals? In-reply-to: <46E9946F.602@mhorse.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01af01c7f630$9fcfb040$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf2P8RLRsIqSJsgQ32MzVeDY5BY9QAD1U/A Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74444 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Great story, Daryl. I'll remember that one for sure. > to "El Capitan", I stuck my left hand out in front of the enormous bell > and raised my middle finger in mute rage. I couldn't see any of the > people who were suffering the curse of The Bird, but I knew it was > working, as the clanging started to die down. > > Finally, we reached the end of the parade route. I threw the horn off my > shoulder with great relief, and sat down to catch my breath. As the rest > of the band began to pack up, I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it > of the debris...and out tinkled several dollars in small change. Tips. > > Somewhere in there is a useful metaphor. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 20:21:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8C493BFBE; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:18:14 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #545 for September 6, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46E99B06.60906@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74445 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:21:51 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget to tune in to tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070906.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #545 September 6, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Impulse 2005" on Strange Charm Records. Free System Projekt: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Circular Clay Glass Darkly (Origo Sound) Circular Titan Glass Darkly (Origo Sound) Neural Network Borderline Psychosis Brain-state-in-a-box (Origo Sound) Timescape Travelling Lights Travelling Light (none) Galactic Anthems Cloud Surfing Semper Fidelity (none) Palancar October 28, 2006 Ambient Train Wreck Series Part 1 Volume Three (Blue Water) Free System Projekt The Closing Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Free System Projekt The Nightmare Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Free System Projekt The Case Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Free System Projekt The Opening Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Free System Projekt The Relief Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Free System Projekt The Opening Part 2 Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Free System Projekt And Then There Were Impulse 2005 (Strange Charm) Two * 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Protoavis" on Quantum Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 20:44:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F23DA3BFD3; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:44:22 EDT Subject: Re: OT: Re: circus animals? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bee.1a40ebf3.341afb26_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74446 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:44:27 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bee.1a40ebf3.341afb26_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/13/07 3:53:38 PM, highhorse@mhorse.com writes: > Tips. > is this irony? www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bee.1a40ebf3.341afb26_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Tips.


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See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bee.1a40ebf3.341afb26_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:19:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D7C953BF9B; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_41c1d05b-b510-4127-b15d-a4bb0a1486eb_" X-Originating-IP: [67.150.4.129] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:19:15 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2007 21:19:16.0011 (UTC) FILETIME=[BD2C0FB0:01C7F64B] Resent-Message-ID: <6q92nB.A.UBB.Vla6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74447 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:19:17 +0000 (UTC) --_41c1d05b-b510-4127-b15d-a4bb0a1486eb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don't > kno= w anything about music."> ...There is a famous story of Chet Atkins to who= m was commented after a performance that, "that guitar sounds really good!"= Chet immediately laid the guitar on the table and asked, "How's it sound = now?". =20 There is a good point here: it ain't the gear (gtr, looping device etc.) it= 's the guy/gal working it. If you have something musical to say that will = come across regardless of the "instrument" being manipulated (which brings = to mind Rick's and Kris' "tunes with toys"...). =20 Canned tracks, drum machines et al. can be very plain, droll and boring or = they can be wildly inventive, amusing and entertaining. So can guitars, keyboards, basses, loops and vocals.... =20 I have, in the past used the term "looper" or "looping" in my promo materia= l. Now I don't. I prefer to think of myself simply as a musician (and, wi= thout pretention, an Artist with a capital A). I use looping extensively, = (tho' not as extensively as others on this list) but feel it is an integral= part of and extenstion of what I play. I do not limit myself to being sol= ely a "Looping Artist", and should my looping devices go down in a show I c= ould (and have) carried on the performance "sans loops". Once, when asked what kind of music I play I responded "you mean there's mo= re than one kind?" I am a musician. I make music, play music. Not just "loop music", not jus= t "bass music" (tho I am a bassist)---just music. =20 I used to explain the process of looping in performance. It didn't really = matter to the audience. I no longer do that and keep the loopage as stealt= hy sort of extension of the performance. =20 In general we seem as a culture to crave defintions; we want all of our toy= s placed in their respective boxes...as we like the proverbial "us" and "th= em" placed in their respective boxes as well. This leads to the myriad of = sub-genres and classifications which, while well-intended to help a listene= r (or would-be listener) define their listening experience (...hmmm me wond= ers if that is really neccessary?), really only seem to muddle the landscap= e with more boxes to fill. =20 A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental music= " community. I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this event= was being filmed for a documentary. I was early and was being interviewed= . The question arose as to what makes an "experimental musician", and I re= plied that a great number who classify themselves by that title do so simpl= y because they cannot play their instruments very well...if at all. It eas= y to be "experimental" when you don't know what it is you are doing. Not t= hat that is a bad thing neccessarily...it certainly qualifies as self-expre= ssion. But, is beating the face of a guitar with a bologna sandwhich reall= y a musical expression...or just silliness? Many "experimental" players ha= ve no concept of structure, which exists even in "free" playing, know neith= er how to listen nor how to hear, and while they can, for the most part, ma= nipulate whatever machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks they w= ere designed for, most cannot really "play" those machines; work them in a = matter from which they coax the music out of both the machine and themselve= s. And does an "experimental musician" limit his/herself to only playing what = might somehow be determined to be "experimental music"?=20 Does a "looping musician" only play with loops? =20 I have a good friend who is a very fine "electronic musician"...and I suppo= se "experimental" as well. He loves Hank Williams and Johnny Cash. Go fig= ure. =20 This a great thread....and it has taken some curious turns. The terminolog= y used to describe one's art, the use or not of canned loops/backing tracks= ....or even how "difficult" or impressive a performance is (btw, my "money"= gig of late has been playing country bass; which is not all that impressiv= e or difficult, yet requires a very different measure of virtusosity, and h= as been one of the most challenging--and rewarding-- gigs I have ever taken= ), is all not as important as what kind of musical/artistic statement one h= as to make. =20 We tend to, at times, underestimate our audiences. We either feel they can= not fathom the degree of complexity in the music, cannot be challenged to l= isten in new ways, must be pandered to.....but they can. And, sometimes, t= hey don't really want to know the wizard is hiding behind the curtain.....t= hey just want to enjoy the show. =20 Max _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= --_41c1d05b-b510-4127-b15d-a4bb0a1486eb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don'= t
> know anything about music."
> 

...There is a = famous story of Chet Atkins to whom was commented after a performance that,= "that guitar sounds really good!"  Chet immediately laid the guitar o= n the table and asked, "How's it sound now?". 
There is a good point here: it ain't the gear (gtr, looping device etc.) it= 's the guy/gal working it.  If you have something musical to say that = will come across regardless of the "instrument" being manipulated (which br= ings to mind Rick's and Kris' "tunes with toys"...).
 
Canned tracks, drum machines et al. can be very plain, droll and borin= g or they can be wildly inventive, amusing and entertaining.
So can guitars, keyboards, basses, loops and vocals....
 
I have, in the past used the term "looper" or "looping" in my promo materia= l.  Now I don't.  I prefer to think of myself simply as a musicia= n (and, without pretention, an Artist with a capital A).  I use loopin= g extensively, (tho' not as extensively as others on this list) but feel it= is an integral part of and extenstion of what I play.  I do not limit= myself to being solely a "Looping Artist", and should my looping devices g= o down in a show I could (and have) carried on the performance "sans loops"= .
Once, when asked what kind of music I play I responded "you mean there's mo= re than one kind?"
I am a musician.  I make music, play music.  Not just "loop music= ", not just "bass music" (tho I am a bassist)---just music.
 
I used to explain the process of looping in performance.  It didn't re= ally matter to the audience.  I no longer do that and keep the loopage= as stealthy sort of extension of the performance.
 
In general we seem as a culture to crave defintions; we want all of our toy= s placed in their respective boxes...as we like the proverbial "us" and "th= em" placed in their respective boxes as well.  This leads to the myria= d of sub-genres and classifications which, while well-intended to help a li= stener (or would-be listener) define their listening experience (...hmmm me= wonders if that is really neccessary?), really only seem to muddle the lan= dscape with more boxes to fill.
 
A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental music= " community.  I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this = event was being filmed for a documentary.  I was early and was being i= nterviewed.  The question arose as to what makes an "experimental musi= cian", and I replied that a great number who classify themselves by that ti= tle do so simply because they cannot play their instruments very well...if = at all.  It easy to be "experimental" when you don't know what it is y= ou are doing.  Not that that is a bad thing neccessarily...it certainl= y qualifies as self-expression.  But, is beating the face of a guitar = with a bologna sandwhich really a musical expression...or just silliness?&n= bsp; Many "experimental" players have no concept of structure, which exists= even in "free" playing, know neither how to listen nor how to hear, and wh= ile they can, for the most part, manipulate whatever machine(s) they are em= ploying to perform the tasks they were designed for, most cannot really "pl= ay" those machines; work them in a matter from which they coax the music ou= t of both the machine and themselves.
And does an "experimental musician" limit his/herself to only playing what = might somehow be determined to be "experimental music"? 
 Does a "looping musician" only play with loops?
 
I have a good friend who is a very fine "electronic musician"...and I suppo= se "experimental" as well.  He loves Hank Williams and Johnny Cash.&nb= sp; Go figure.
 
This a great thread....and it has taken some curious turns.  The termi= nology used to describe one's art, the use or not of canned loops/backing t= racks....or even how "difficult" or impressive a performance is (btw, my "m= oney" gig of late has been playing country bass; which is not all that impr= essive or difficult, yet requires a very different measure of virtusosity, = and has been one of the most challenging--and rewarding-- gigs I have ever = taken), is all not as important as what kind of musical/artistic statement = one has to make.
 
We tend to, at times, underestimate our audiences.  We either feel the= y cannot fathom the degree of complexity in the music, cannot be challenged= to listen in new ways, must be pandered to.....but they can.  And, so= metimes, they don't really want to know the wizard is hiding behind the cur= tain.....they just want to enjoy the show.
 
Max

More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE w= ith Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! = --_41c1d05b-b510-4127-b15d-a4bb0a1486eb_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DEC13BFC3; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=yzDIZHUouDl6Qp5vlPsvqeHu6RFKw9Fuq4oiqsf804w=; b=Bls1rrjDeVX6TYUVsbD3knYi+SbheR3GomXXKO/7BudfORKUzHLKuOYd0WFySjnDRVKhOdb2TW45h+BtxO/+YgMJzlm9YSMAtAmxwDZ4jTNdJ/D/lI2t3wjajET5CNOge1ieh1m3dgk3xuj7j9llL4rZ4RRHVU5t3OSua13x/KM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=XTEyeSJPBOJ/y3tcr3294Fx7pQMR0T0xoer++HqR50AVF91Q1T/biE3m6+DRua5i/pMhdDMSpAFjNKGLMfJfGm5MsUqiE3kFJhaglmMv+vLvef7unYwxxOux4XmhPpKy8atGkXHC7M4JySEJDol/424aOmThQ3dZFcYTwb9k3Eg= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:27:42 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74448 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Many people are mistaken in their belief that country bass is simple because of the relatively small number of notes employed. Has anyone seen the preview for this documentary, "My Kid Could Paint That"= ?: http://imdb.com/title/tt0912592/trailers-screenplay-E33736-10-2 Very interesting in regards to "experimental" or "avant garde" art forms. On 9/13/07, max valentino wrote: > > A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental mu= sic" community. I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this ev= ent was being filmed for a documentary. I was early and was being intervie= wed. The question arose as to what makes an "experimental musician", and I= replied that a great number who classify themselves by that title do so si= mply because they cannot play their instruments very well...if at all. It = easy to be "experimental" when you don't know what it is you are doing. No= t that that is a bad thing neccessarily...it certainly qualifies as self-ex= pression. But, is beating the face of a guitar with a bologna sandwhich re= ally a musical expression...or just silliness? Many "experimental" players= have no concept of structure, which exists even in "free" playing, know ne= ither how to listen nor how to hear, and while they can, for the most part,= manipulate whatever machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks the= y were designed for, most cannot really "play" those machines; work them in= a matter from which they coax the music out of both the machine and themse= lves. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:30:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 737CE3BFD1; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46E9ABEA.200@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:30:18 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Re: circus animals? References: <20070913211918.83D153BF9C@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070913211918.83D153BF9C@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74449 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:30:35 +0000 (UTC) Uh oh...would that be extra-OT? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >>> Tips. >>> >>> >>> is this irony? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 21:43:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C07D23BFA2; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:43:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:43:22 +0000 Message-Id: <091320072143.28482.46E9AEFA0006145A00006F422216525856020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28482_1189719802_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74450 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:43:25 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28482_1189719802_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Its funny how credibility works in regards to arts and music. In college, there were guys that played free jazz. Among them, some could play blazing be-bop, some couldn't. The guys that could,were regarded as much better free jazz players then the guys that only played free jazz. Yet, to non musician ears, it was all the same. Regardless, the Willow Club was empty by second set. ------------- Original message -------------- From: "Travis Hartnett" > Many people are mistaken in their belief that country bass is simple > because of the relatively small number of notes employed. > > Has anyone seen the preview for this documentary, "My Kid Could Paint That"?: > > http://imdb.com/title/tt0912592/trailers-screenplay-E33736-10-2 > > Very interesting in regards to "experimental" or "avant garde" art forms. > > > > On 9/13/07, max valentino wrote: > > > > > > A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental music" > community. I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this event was > being filmed for a documentary. I was early and was being interviewed. The > question arose as to what makes an "experimental musician", and I replied that a > great number who classify themselves by that title do so simply because they > cannot play their instruments very well...if at all. It easy to be > "experimental" when you don't know what it is you are doing. Not that that is a > bad thing neccessarily...it certainly qualifies as self-expression. But, is > beating the face of a guitar with a bologna sandwhich really a musical > expression...or just silliness? Many "experimental" players have no concept of > structure, which exists even in "free" playing, know neither how to listen nor > how to hear, and while they can, for the most part, manipulate whatever > machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks they were designed for, most > cannot really "play" those machines; work them in a matter from which they coax > the music out of both the machine and themselves. > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28482_1189719802_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Its funny how credibility works in regards to arts and music. In college, there were guys that played free jazz. Among them, some could play blazing be-bop, some couldn't. The guys that could,were regarded as much better free jazz players then the guys that only played free jazz. Yet, to non musician ears, it was all the same. Regardless, the Willow Club was empty by second set.
 
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From: "Travis Hartnett" <travishartnett@gmail.com>

> Many people are mistaken in their belief that country bass is simple
> because of the relatively small number of notes employed.
>
> Has anyone seen the preview for this documentary, "My Kid Could Paint That"?:
>
> http://imdb.com/title/tt0912592/trailers-screenplay-E33736-10-2
>
> Very interesting in regards to "experimental" or "avant garde" art forms.
>
>
>
> On 9/13/07, max valentino wrote:
>
>
> >
> > A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental music"
> community. I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this event was
> being filmed for a documentary. I was early and was being interviewed. The
> question arose as to what makes an "experimental musician", and I repli ed that a
> great number who classify themselves by that title do so simply because they
> cannot play their instruments very well...if at all. It easy to be
> "experimental" when you don't know what it is you are doing. Not that that is a
> bad thing neccessarily...it certainly qualifies as self-expression. But, is
> beating the face of a guitar with a bologna sandwhich really a musical
> expression...or just silliness? Many "experimental" players have no concept of
> structure, which exists even in "free" playing, know neither how to listen nor
> how to hear, and while they can, for the most part, manipulate whatever
> machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks they were designed for, most
> cannot really "play" those machines; work them in a matter from which they coax
> the music out of both the machine and themselves.
>
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28482_1189719802_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 22:06:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5AFA3BF9C; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:06:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=6ckaDkFzw7hThp/h44v6moCXfjwjGedNxZCqdSrKyAfKEb7uCSx9w+SN0MjxepxkQCeYkbMJxZVxPz5ubq3q4R9aOkt1PoViQL2C2XPexQzIXuuCV2Bs0HeGatU/3LlU3wS7jflBYwwsonvE2JzcDypz4HzT+S6YRHGEAM31hRU=; X-YMail-OSG: Owz025cVM1nD30DeWNANWezoNijmBp.EtxsoznINqVIHPZbGcI9r_E7km8nXnexgEg0im5GFa9H8KhcKjITzo855004BEDt9Xt2LEReZiiUTGXMhbRCf8VqdZ4cvkg-- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:06:36 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: cuircus animals To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <471567.13528.qm@web32712.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74451 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:06:38 +0000 (UTC) howdy, i have to disagree on this one. Many 'experimental' musicians are quite adept at playing. the way i see it, they are the ones who step outside the boundaries of "established or regular" muzik. They may employ odd and exentric devices to make muzik with. They may mix and match different kinds of muzik that normally would be thought non-compatible. They may use mechanical machine noises, or nature sounds for their tones. i have a CD of "Experimental muzik that employsall sorts of different people playing some of the weirdest gadgets that you could conceive. It still comes out sounding like Muzik. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 22:14:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 290F33BFA0; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:14:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C/fntjCqDwxSmmS13rGLvxce7JN91MM57AVI3EK9zlZYN1b3lkD7AdALvUZh8RY2Wt6dCTuhABpkHgxWxqwzVMOvoZzbHadHMXqlCN7OjwkPQrbS7C67GLeQJEm8yUwqGCSsdytsc0xQnZ0M7RS0W5V+Jm5juae4Ezix2etzBxQ=; X-YMail-OSG: MKPJFDgVM1lByr17lA4yv.ipodemaeFhArlaZAUuJ1mX0xpdw3UPO9D59FbnXpM1YZ12vTYveAEVdTxeNWfKnsAdwNa3dKCEC.wpjRFkIVLqlcyfJ_OetLBdLWppvA-- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:14:54 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: circus animals To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <768051.20580.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74452 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:14:56 +0000 (UTC) howdy, I do mostly techno, reggae, and synth-pop. but i still listen to the big bands of the 40s. Chet Atkins and Les Paul did a "Chester and Lester" album years ago that I enjoy. In 28 years of FOHmixing, probably 60% of it was country. One night late on PBS, Chet Atkins played a show.Heanounced he was going to try something but didn't know how it would turn out. He proceded to play the Washington Post march on a 6 string guitar and EVERY note was there. Granted, he playedit fairly slowly, but itstill didn't keep my jaw from hanging open. Les paul use to demonstrate what I would think would be a looping machine. He'd play a part, then stack another, then another, etc. i think i read earlier on this forum thatit wasn't real. Butcould he have been playing an8 track tape machine with a loop of tape in it? Is that looping? rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 22:38:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E4DD3BFA9; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=B18Of4Wx5H4J1FlQre2SSr74+pIddwe3R2WC2OcjjYfwwahoDt+3kHGQZBHLf/ebu/NSShPUpa+4yb0eaPx/gmo2vb+5H9lkR363GSRcxVlBNbzTHtsbOubHT83Rn+f1HHFQxvgmnUmgsPEXC/gYewoFkiBeApLCfuKgYZQB+DI=; X-YMail-OSG: xRV4J4kVM1n.y4P2yjmqj1c0NNBO7Go0bEn4t1yV2812V5KWb6HcjzLv7236KdM5N7UxKjIzzA5HdIuMXwR7Pbdw6PxKJTlzL6cV5OvWy_uw8FmPt3Gb5QW1jGeT3A-- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re:circus animals To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <983447.39908.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74453 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:38:34 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, After doing gigs or concerts, people will come up and say "that sounded very impressive". I reply that my goal is not to impress but to express. They always say "Well it was GREAT"! I then tell them "well, it was either this or a bowling league". I ALWAYS get a jovial "WELL YOU MADE THE RIGHT CHOICE" HAR HAR HAR!!! Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 22:54:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 669173BFCA; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:54:05 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: circus animals In-reply-to: <983447.39908.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <01ff01c7f658$fcbc1cd0$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf2VtaECmVhDPFuSy6S8T1rX3+ajQAAfwwg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74454 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:54:13 +0000 (UTC) > -----Original Message----- > From: bill bigrig [mailto:billbigrig@yahoo.com] > > Howdy, > > After doing gigs or concerts, people will come up and > say "that sounded very impressive". Well, it's still better than "er... um.... you look very comfortable up there." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 13 23:22:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CB2F13BFBD; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:22:23 +0100 From: Warren Sirota Subject: RE: circus animals In-reply-to: <01ff01c7f658$fcbc1cd0$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <020601c7f65c$f0992160$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Acf2VtaECmVhDPFuSy6S8T1rX3+ajQAAfwwgAADNVGA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74455 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 23:22:29 +0000 (UTC) I recently played some jazz trio gigs in NYC, and a bunch of my oldest friends showed up (surprisingly, all on the same night). Because they were pretty good friends, they had all been exposed to my "experimental" music a fair amount over the years, but, upon reflection I realized that no-one had heard any of my other musical sides for quite a while (as I spent most of my adult life on the other side of the country). After the jazz gig, several of them came up and said, "Hey, you're good!" as if it were a surprise. Kind of makes you think... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 00:30:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3343BF8C; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:30:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0ybNbiNcAOfzBKj+a/6cTiCGIGN42ZkfcMRBz8FxU5DDY8mUimE+bq+63/0+XzW71TofuoRElJuRMZ9HpZ5Gc+IzqD0nxe4NMyid78wiz1miJUKFJ3qYoBXKKsIaABuwKzvpSapZFLu6JM6CtQhz1Z6RKRof3scfG8SufUHIxcU=; X-YMail-OSG: cpUJXJgVM1kMGnbLiykScbnadTiru6rdE2gKlKxh05BrAoqW9KfeWSNe_P8mNtPDWw-- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 17:30:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: RE: circus animals To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <020601c7f65c$f0992160$4b02a8c0@warren5d67d038> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-748220752-1189729835=:83387" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <790864.83387.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74456 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:30:41 +0000 (UTC) --0-748220752-1189729835=:83387 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please, God. Let this thread die. Thank you. Amen. Warren Sirota wrote: I recently played some jazz trio gigs in NYC, and a bunch of my oldest friends showed up (surprisingly, all on the same night). Because they were pretty good friends, they had all been exposed to my "experimental" music a fair amount over the years, but, upon reflection I realized that no-one had heard any of my other musical sides for quite a while (as I spent most of my adult life on the other side of the country). After the jazz gig, several of them came up and said, "Hey, you're good!" as if it were a surprise. Kind of makes you think... --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --0-748220752-1189729835=:83387 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Please, God. Let this thread die. Thank you. Amen.

Warren Sirota <wsirota@wsdesigns.com> wrote:
I recently played some jazz trio gigs in NYC, and a bunch of my oldest
friends showed up (surprisingly, all on the same night). Because they were
pretty good friends, they had all been exposed to my "experimental" music a
fair amount over the years, but, upon reflection I realized that no-one had
heard any of my other musical sides for quite a while (as I spent most of my
adult life on the other side of the country). After the jazz gig, several of
them came up and said, "Hey, you're good!" as if it were a surprise. Kind of
makes you think...


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Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --0-748220752-1189729835=:83387-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 00:50:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37C743BFA6; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:50:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0dba01c7f669$31665ee0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <790864.83387.qm@web35112.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: circus animals Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:50:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0DB5_01C7F636.E5A80850" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74457 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:50:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0DB5_01C7F636.E5A80850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah you freakin' manimals. :) I'll be careful what analogies I use = from now on...you guys are master's of extrapolation.=20 Please, God. Let this thread die. Thank you. Amen. ------=_NextPart_000_0DB5_01C7F636.E5A80850 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah you freakin' manimals. :)  = I'll be=20 careful what analogies I use from now on...you guys are master's of=20 extrapolation.
Please,=20 God. Let this thread die. Thank you. = Amen.

------=_NextPart_000_0DB5_01C7F636.E5A80850-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 01:03:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A499C3BFB7; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.90] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070913180103.B74D53BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #732 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:03:27 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 01:03:31.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[1189B700:01C7F66B] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74458 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (UTC) My feeling is ,if I charge for the performance I owe it to the audience to care enough about what I'm doing to make it worth listening too.I don't feel that i owe it to them to cater to their expectations,tastes etc. depending on th event,If I'm playing for a wedding,or a funeral there are aesthetic constraints. I think that performers can do a great service to audiences ,by creating a space,mood, experience ,whatever you want to call it, in which they can forget their worries for a minute,and be really present ,in the moment This usually requires the perfromers being really present ,in the zone.Amazing them with technical displays might do that for some.if an actor tried to make a big display of technique the way a lot of guitarists do the whole illusion of the act would be destroyed,the point is for us to forget it's an act,and be engaged . Personally, I couldn't care less if something is difficult to play,I want to hear something beautiful. There's a real difference between pandering to an audience,and having a dynamic anergetic exchange w/ an audience. " I am an artist expressing myself the way I want...the audience can take it or l eave it." _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_MSNHMTxt_1 From notifications@bankofamerica.us Fri Sep 14 01:40:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 400 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:40:40 UTC Received: from mail14e.g14.rapidsite.net (mail14e.g14.rapidsite.net [128.121.64.102]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 37B463BF98 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx31.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net (128.121.64.78) by mail14e.g14.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.95vs) with SMTP id 3-0432453638 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mxw1401.sanjose14-verio.com [128.121.143.12] (EHLO mxw1401.sanjose14-verio.com) by mx31.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net (mxl_mta-1.3.8-10p4) with ESMTP id e8fd9e64.5092.069.mx31.mlpsca01.us.mxservers.net; Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 16741 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2007 01:33:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO User) (info@65.117.208.61) by with ESMTPA; 14 Sep 2007 01:33:58 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Bank of America" Subject: Customer Service: Notification Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 19:34:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam: [F=0.9759129380; heur=0.981(6500); stat=0.105; spamtraq-heur=0.866(2007082706)] X-MAIL-FROM: X-SOURCE-IP: [128.121.143.12] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-ID:<20070913213358.GA43245@mail14e.g14.rapidsite.net> X-SF-Loop: 1

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charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline =3CDIV=3E=3CBR=3E=3CBR=3EDear friend =3CBR=3EThis letter may come to you= as a surprise due to the fact that we have not yet met=2E I have to say= that I have no intentions of causing you any pains=2E As you read this=2C= I do not want you to feel sorry for me=2C because=2C I believe everyone= will die someday=2E =3CBR=3EMy name is Kelvin Watson=2C a merchant in t= he Sultanate of Oman =2E I have been diagnosed with prostate and oesopha= geal cancer that was discovered very late due to my laxity in caring for= my health=2E It has defied all forms of medicine and right now=2C I hav= e only about a few months to live according to medical experts=2E I have= not particularly lived my life so well=2C as I never really cared for a= nyone not even myself but my business=2E Though I am very rich=2C I was = never generous=2C I was always hostile to people and only focus on my bu= siness as that was the only thing I cared for=2E But now I regret all th= is as I now know that there is more to life than just wanting to have or= make all the money in the world=2E I believe when God gives me a second= chance to come to this world I would live my life a different way from = how I have lived it=2E Now that i know my time is near=2C I have willed = and given=26nbsp=3B most of my properties and assets to my immediate and= extended family members and as well as a few close friends=2E =3CBR=3EI= have decided to give alms to charity organizations=2C as I want this to= be one of the last good deeds I do on earth=2E So far=2C I have distrib= uted money to some charity organizations in the U=2EA=2EE=2C London and = Ireland=2E Now that my health has deteriorated so badly=2C I cannot do t= his my self any more=2E I once asked members of my family to close one o= f my accounts and donate the money=2C which I have there to charity orga= nizations in Bulgaria=2C they refused and kept the money to themselves=2E= Hence=2C I do not trust them anymore=2C as they seem not to be content = with what I have left for them=2E The last of my money which is the huge= cash deposit that i have with a security firm abroad =2EI will want you= to help me collect this deposit and dispatch it to charity organization= s=2Ebearing in mind the fact someday we will have to account for our dee= ds=2E I am writing this from my laptop computer in my hospital bed where= I wait for my time to come=2E =3CBR=3EKelvin Watson =3CBR=3E=3CBR=3E=3C= BR=3E=3C/DIV=3E --Boundary_(ID_4lIi3qO9oE5x682lnFze0A)-- From cliente@poste.it Fri Sep 14 04:24:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 73929 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; 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Caro cliente,

La preghiamo di esaminare con la massima serieta e immediatamente questo messaggio di posta elettronica che mostra le nuove misure di securezza.
Il reparto sicurezza della nostra banca le notifica che sono state prese misure per accrescere il livello di sicurezza dell`online banking, in relazione ai frequenti tentativi di accedere illegalmente ai conti bancari.
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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:51:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9DC7A3BF50; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=l/wPzkiCSCea29UXg07xNhtYmbHLzFDiZpq08O+751g=; b=BscPwcIuHzvuHDgYsyhK1fGtsQhKarPG7mhmp3bujCMkgE2Sp3Eb8yj5U4jFJDtkaXoaOD8L72YQnvAHXl3/S4h0LNAqCcZCD/ygHR7le8r+8oOs+1Fa9/BQ+nNR9UFYrjAkp5gbFdBaT2xA+T6PmbHU5rJ4U7zliO5CBdWnBJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pfaO+gqB1Qi7BUu2XuGVjrVZfq1MBtDXUixvgeDZRz9zN2AkbWlJnhEVyjPnaO5BPBSLleQQm3os2H7sP04edERD77PEsPaoToa/nelkwuDliotSmMA1Ak9S7+kwZQlvnJj+yasontp78kw5tJh0oYfex055+18K4sA/0lblZY8= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <25F05B15-E5E1-4445-A3A0-F2CCD79E4BFB@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:51:27 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74459 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:51:33 +0000 (UTC) On 13 sep 2007, at 23.27, Travis Hartnett wrote: > Many people are mistaken in their belief that country bass is simple > because of the relatively small number of notes employed. > Has anyone seen the preview for this documentary, "My Kid Could > Paint That"?: > http://imdb.com/title/tt0912592/trailers-screenplay-E33736-10-2 > Very interesting in regards to "experimental" or "avant garde" art > forms. Wasn't it John Cage that was once told "Anyone could do what you are doing" and then answered something like "Certainly, but do they?" Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 06:51:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A52CC3BF63; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <46E9946F.602@mhorse.com> Subject: RE: Re: circus animals? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:51:51 +0200 Message-ID: <009b01c7f69b$bb13a8a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <46E9946F.602@mhorse.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf2l7aSXXFi1NzxTTO0ytg3/cWchQAA83dg Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74460 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:51:55 +0000 (UTC) > I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it of the debris...and out tinkled several dollars in small change. Tips. what a wonderful story !! -michael p From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 07:33:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45E193BF60; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fa57e0f8-c43e-406f-9a07-0c780d1a757d_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.98] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: circus animals? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:33:08 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <009b01c7f69b$bb13a8a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <46E9946F.602@mhorse.com> <009b01c7f69b$bb13a8a0$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 07:33:08.0600 (UTC) FILETIME=[7F1B1F80:01C7F6A1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74461 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:33:10 +0000 (UTC) --_fa57e0f8-c43e-406f-9a07-0c780d1a757d_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 > > I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it of the debris...and out tinkle= d> several dollars in small change. Tips. damn right ... thats the best story I've heard in a while! =20 On a totally different note: this made me laugh last week .... =20 What do you call a musician without a girlfriend ??? =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . =20 . . . . . . . . . .=20 =20 homeless ..... =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > From: mp@mpeters.de> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Subject: RE= : Re: circus animals?> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:51:51 +0200> > > I turned = my Bb hog upside down to rid it of the debris...and out tinkled> several do= llars in small change. Tips.> > what a wonderful story !! > > -michael p>=20 _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. 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> > I turned my Bb hog upside down to rid it of the debris...and = out tinkled
> several dollars in small change. Tips.

damn right ... thats the best story I've heard in a while!
 
On a totally different note: this made me laugh last week ....
 
What do you call a musician without a girlfriend ???
 
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> From: mp@mpeters.de
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com
> Subject: RE: Re: circus animals?
> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 20= 07 08:51:51 +0200
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> > I turned my Bb hog upside down to r= id it of the debris...and out tinkled
> several dollars in small chan= ge. Tips.
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More photos; more messages; more whateve= r =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! = --_fa57e0f8-c43e-406f-9a07-0c780d1a757d_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 10:29:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3F0443BF6A; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com References: <602108.90826.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: user tips on Line 6 DL4 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 06:29:12 -0400 In-Reply-To: <602108.90826.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: pjbmhb@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9C4D13A382A37_C8C_2C7_WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Message-Id: <8C9C4D13A382A37-C8C-15E@WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.170.152 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5NIJ7C.A.ZfH.7Jm6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74462 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:29:16 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C9C4D13A382A37_C8C_2C7_WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I have had some really great results using the DL4 in the 14 second mode w/=20= guitar and Line 6 Flter Modeller=C2=A0and then playing that back in the 28 s= econd mode. Sometimes forwards and sometimes backwards. Even just using a Bo= ss touch wah like this can give really interesting textures and sounds.=20 Good luck! =3D-) PJ -----Original Message----- From: rune fagereng To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:42 pm Subject: user tips on Line 6 DL4=20 Hi ! I am the owner of a line 6 dl4. Please tell me - are here (even with this simple looper) any good user ips - regarding (making interesting) looping ? best regards Rune F. =20 =20 ________________________________________________________ lt i =C3=A9n. F=C3=A5 Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og otisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http= ://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9C4D13A382A37_C8C_2C7_WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" I have had some really great results using the DL4 in the 14 second mode w/=20= guitar and Line 6 Flter Modeller and then playing that back in the 28 s= econd mode. Sometimes forwards and sometimes backwards. Even just using a Bo= ss touch wah like this can give really interesting textures and sounds.

Good luck! =3D-) PJ


-----Original Message-----
From: rune fagereng <rune_fagereng@yahoo.no>
To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:42 pm
Subject: user tips on Line 6 DL4 

Hi !

I am the owner of a line 6 dl4. Please tell me - are
there (even with this simple looper) any good user
tips - regarding (making interesting) looping ?

best regards Rune F.

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----------MB_8C9C4D13A382A37_C8C_2C7_WEBMAIL-MB04.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 11:19:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 116B73BF6A; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c401c7f6c1$169d3130$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Prerecordedmaterial Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:19:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74463 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:19:17 +0000 (UTC) I've only done all improvisatory concerts for the last 10 years of my life but I have started to desire playing some more formal musical concerts with my looping gear in the upcoming year. Though I put a high premium on people doing as much as possible live I was enthralled with Thomas Dolby's recent spate of concerts where he had a lot of prerecorded material that he seemlessly added to his considerable live looping chops. Essentially, his performance had a beautiful blend of spontaneity with his live looping and also wonderful renditions of some of the tunes of his that I love dearly. His rendition of 'One of Our Submarines' was so beautiful and evocative that I cried during it. I honestly didn't stop to analyze how much he had looped live in it and how much he was triggering as pre-made loops and/or samples. It was just great, emotionally rendered and entertaining music. There are times when attempting to do more formal kinds of music like pop songs as a 'fer instance where it just takes too long to get the whole thing going in terms of the energy of the song and the interaction of the audience. Quite frankly, I am entertaining the thought of having occasional stored loops where I can be very, very improvisatory and off the cuff at the end of one tune and then immediately launch a loop that gives me enough time to quickly change instruments and vibes for the next track. You know, it's interesting, but Amy X Neuburg has been one of the very best recieved live looping artists in our festivals and community. Kid Beyond is also similarly extremely well recieved as a looping artist. Both of these artists use a lot of pre canned material in their shows. After having seen Amy's show many times, it's apparent that things are planned to within a gnats eye lash in her songs. No one has ever complained in the looping community about it because they are both such incredibly performers and, indeed, they are doing the lion's share of their work in real time , viz a vis looping. Still and all, I make it clear to all who play the Y2K Festivals that their performances have to be predominantly live looping oriented. I've turned away dozens of groups who play to predominantly pre recorded loops and just aren't in the spirit of live looping. In the long run, the larger and more mass audiences neither care whether what we are doing is canned or spontaneous.................they tend only to think about the music and the performance. And this is coming from a guy who has been a militantly no canned loops performer for a long, long time. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 12:43:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 034873BF71; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=joJuaffE3LpiPvo5wdhAFeojzwSW7ty3aoO4iERjFJU=; b=Mu/hVQxBx90LtFXt5GWfQ8gfkpzu35/m7LBQ9TiKifx0Yv68fVZpR24o093FzOkeSbdb5QFCJZNLyH5JyGjJPoPIzWqiec++lS3yvOkJo3bQYtnU8R+XHOc5AHE8oDi/F/n8fURCzjPvi/jGFq07wyqt0ZXFKqIpNdcW5Nstvj8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PZZpTZGvpP3DRx+1tpQ0OIKMSIiB6bx9t0T5+5XUK0F4B8hYZFyUhVk6V63u7ZoHwXGd7kOkSdJRSlKV2l9NOluhmFLQTIt8fAjdmYY369wR8YfhA7nIWYPl5Nxd8Dke4OlVy8bE4g1MF5jjs7s4P7+N9qm4MnXzZCC/34F9l8E= In-Reply-To: <00c401c7f6c1$169d3130$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <00c401c7f6c1$169d3130$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Prerecordedmaterial Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:43:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74464 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:43:16 +0000 (UTC) On 14 sep 2007, at 13.19, Rick Walker wrote: > I've only done all improvisatory concerts for the last 10 years of > my life > but I have started to desire playing some more formal musical > concerts with my looping > gear in the upcoming year. He, he... I'm not about to loop back yet ;-)) Although I started doing improvisations with looping delays in the early eighties I spent many years during the nineties playing full time with a alternative rock / electro-dance project that was working under major label contracts. We toured south-east Asia and Germany with the records coming out all the way down to Brazil. But the sad part of that was that I had to give up all the experimental music on the side because there was never time for that. We almost got no time for playing our own album stuff either, since most activities were talk shows on television/radio or playback gigs for music industry people. On one Germany tour we had an eight piece band playing live together with eight tracks of "canned" backing audio (choir, orchestra, cinematic fx). Given this immediate background I'm dirt happy with playing completely improvised and un-canned for many more years to come ;-) > I was enthralled > with Thomas Dolby's recent spate of concerts where he had a lot of > prerecorded material > that he seemlessly added to his considerable live looping chops. Wow, you managed to catch up with one of his concerts! Great! I have only read his tech note blogs on them. He is using Logic for "MIDI looping" by what is called Cycle Recording in that application. In advance he has set up the song's arrangement as blocks on a time line (called "regions" in Logic). Some regions contain pre-recorded audio while other contain MIDI sequences to drive a soft synth or a MIDI sound module in a rack. But some regions are EMPTY and those are the ones he has pre-planned for "MIDI looping" into. When the song position pointer reaches the first region where he will record some MIDI he sets the left and right locator and pushes "C" for "cycle". Now, the nifty part here is that this empty region that he is recording into is copied as *alias* regions all the way through out the rest of the song. This means his spontaneous "cycle recording" will also pop up later in the song at the appropriate parts in the arrangement. > in the spirit > of live looping. Ye Bro, Spirit is the word! > In the long run, the larger and more mass audiences neither care > whether what we are doing is canned or > spontaneous.................they tend only to think about the music > and the performance. Yes, that's true. But don't forget that as a musician you can rely on spontaneous happenings as a way to shed a little spirit over the rest of the show. Quite often adventurous free parts makes the audience experience the canned parts as much more expressive. And hardwired canned parts will make the free parts stand out. The above is of course only relevant for musicians that play with a communicative pathos. I have read that some on this list play for their own enjoyment in the first place and take it as just another lucky coincidence if someone in the audience should like what they're hearing. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E646A3BF59; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=KItiAJUAS964sjr0h+zGXyuUyLwgfIaEnj7ZTPY9SWo=; b=pRM6dH5FLSzZcDwxfWzhr9JetyIza4TnDmmeUrN1oB0BHtIUAmC+awz14MOGUPyO7xGZBSbiQUCjxfD1OKzYcFS4G7DivTnevsOd26kTNqDKKkRzw7rQDruWckSxuQWkr4c+4qbIcp3IQBXG18Rar9GsTQCmA4r7jWIgCqz2w7Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=qMDIksRyDkt9/jakanYzc3kW4hsWi9CjFIM/NpoyZZw4q2tpPcf/G4EU+ywQDlBykepm5Cq8E1AveS0u5n13h/bJxMwRVRUFf5aFf2DLEPUthzBsQc/UTiJh1KAF0WCs4s3qZs8EPbyCsxXKQOTXGzvk7PlCGbDvQsMAfiDDHhU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:40 +0000 From: kanguru007@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Hi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74465 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Hi. I'm new to the list. Greetings to all. I saw Rico 'Loop' perform in Barcelona's Bread and Butter with an RC-50. It was a lot more fun than the demos I found on the web. Barcelona is hot in all senses of the word. Anyone knows if a video of that performance can be found? A couple of people were filming... K. 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Does anyone know of a good, actually excellent, external hard drive. I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced.
Thanks
--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_25348_1189780302_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:33:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4BD63BF7E; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6DC.44E67B6E" Subject: RE: External Hard Drive Quest.... X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:33:51 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D7B7@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: <091420071431.25348.46EA9B4E000BE683000063042216554886020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: External Hard Drive Quest.... Thread-Index: Acf22/nfa2yc6d4aSTmhM8PxtMmwFAAADI1g From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74468 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:33:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6DC.44E67B6E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just bought a Seagate that fits those specs from the local WalMart. It was under $50 I think and is 250gig. -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:32 AM To: Loopers Delight Subject: External Hard Drive Quest.... =09 =09 Does anyone know of a good, actually excellent, external hard drive. I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced.=20 Thanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6DC.44E67B6E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
I just=20 bought a Seagate that fits those specs from the local WalMart.  It = was=20 under $50 I think and is 250gig.
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6DC.44E67B6E-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:45:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45C1E3BF7E; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070914074159.00e1cac8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 07:47:03 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-Reply-To: References: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1443D7; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46EA9F1D2954=======" Resent-Message-ID: <9CyMNB.A.xS.75p6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74469 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:45:15 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46EA9F1D2954======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_73071821==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1443D7 --=====================_73071821==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1443D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Max and Daryl, two absolutely amazing posts in my opinion!!! Thank you= =20 both!!! This all seems to touch on people's simple (or not so simple :) ) views= =20 on music, or, as has been also said here of late, music / art; I personally= =20 don't separate them... My personal view on music is that if something touches or moves someone= =20 (anyone / anywhere) in a positive way, inspiring them, then I think it's=20 good. And for me, it's really as simple as that. :) I may not share the= =20 experience, or understand it, or agree with it, but I do accept and respect= =20 it... Just my thoughts... Have an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) At 09:19 PM 9/13/2007 +0000, you wrote: > > My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don't > > know anything about music." > > > >...There is a famous story of Chet Atkins to whom was commented after a=20 >performance that, "that guitar sounds really good!" Chet immediately laid= =20 >the guitar on the table and asked, "How's it sound now?". >There is a good point here: it ain't the gear (gtr, looping device etc.)=20 >it's the guy/gal working it. If you have something musical to say that=20 >will come across regardless of the "instrument" being manipulated (which=20 >brings to mind Rick's and Kris' "tunes with toys"...). > >Canned tracks, drum machines et al. can be very plain, droll and boring or= =20 >they can be wildly inventive, amusing and entertaining. >So can guitars, keyboards, basses, loops and vocals.... > >I have, in the past used the term "looper" or "looping" in my promo=20 >material. Now I don't. I prefer to think of myself simply as a musician= =20 >(and, without pretention, an Artist with a capital A). I use looping=20 >extensively, (tho' not as extensively as others on this list) but feel it= =20 >is an integral part of and extenstion of what I play. I do not limit=20 >myself to being solely a "Looping Artist", and should my looping devices=20 >go down in a show I could (and have) carried on the performance "sans= loops". >Once, when asked what kind of music I play I responded "you mean there's=20 >more than one kind?" >I am a musician. I make music, play music. Not just "loop music", not=20 >just "bass music" (tho I am a bassist)---just music. > >I used to explain the process of looping in performance. It didn't really= =20 >matter to the audience. I no longer do that and keep the loopage as=20 >stealthy sort of extension of the performance. > >In general we seem as a culture to crave defintions; we want all of our=20 >toys placed in their respective boxes...as we like the proverbial "us" and= =20 >"them" placed in their respective boxes as well. This leads to the myriad= =20 >of sub-genres and classifications which, while well-intended to help a=20 >listener (or would-be listener) define their listening experience (...hmmm= =20 >me wonders if that is really neccessary?), really only seem to muddle the= =20 >landscape with more boxes to fill. > >A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental=20 >music" community. I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this= =20 >event was being filmed for a documentary. I was early and was being=20 >interviewed. The question arose as to what makes an "experimental=20 >musician", and I replied that a great number who classify themselves by=20 >that title do so simply because they cannot play their instruments very=20 >well...if at all. It easy to be "experimental" when you don't know what=20 >it is you are doing. Not that that is a bad thing neccessarily...it=20 >certainly qualifies as self-expression. But, is beating the face of a=20 >guitar with a bologna sandwhich really a musical expression...or just=20 >silliness? Many "experimental" players have no concept of structure,=20 >which exists even in "free" playing, know neither how to listen nor how to= =20 >hear, and while they can, for the most part, manipulate whatever=20 >machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks they were designed for,= =20 >most cannot really "play" those machines; work them in a matter from which= =20 >they coax the music out of both the machine and themselves. >And does an "experimental musician" limit his/herself to only playing what= =20 >might somehow be determined to be "experimental music"? > Does a "looping musician" only play with loops? > >I have a good friend who is a very fine "electronic musician"...and I=20 >suppose "experimental" as well. He loves Hank Williams and Johnny=20 >Cash. Go figure. > >This a great thread....and it has taken some curious turns. The=20 >terminology used to describe one's art, the use or not of canned=20 >loops/backing tracks....or even how "difficult" or impressive a=20 >performance is (btw, my "money" gig of late has been playing country bass;= =20 >which is not all that impressive or difficult, yet requires a very=20 >different measure of virtusosity, and has been one of the most=20 >challenging--and rewarding-- gigs I have ever taken), is all not as=20 >important as what kind of musical/artistic statement one has to make. > >We tend to, at times, underestimate our audiences. We either feel they=20 >cannot fathom the degree of complexity in the music, cannot be challenged= =20 >to listen in new ways, must be pandered to.....but they can. And,=20 >sometimes, they don't really want to know the wizard is hiding behind the= =20 >curtain.....they just want to enjoy the show. > >Max > > >---------- >More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= =20 >Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date:=20 >9/11/2007 1:37 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each=20 other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_73071821==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1443D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Max and Daryl, two absolutely amazing posts in my opinion!!!  Thank you both!!!

  This all seems to touch on people's simple (or not so simple :) ) views on music, or, as has been also said here of late, music / art; I personally don't separate them... 

  My personal view on music is that if something touches or moves someone (anyone / anywhere) in a positive way, inspiring them, then I think it's good.  And for me, it's really as simple as that.  :)  I may not share the experience, or understand it, or agree with it, but I do accept and respect it... 

Just my thoughts...

Have an awesome day!...

Smiles,

Cara  :)

At 09:19 PM 9/13/2007 +0000, you wrote:


> My favorite line: "Your music sounded great to me, although I don't
> know anything about music."
>

...There is a famous story of Chet Atkins to whom was commented after a performance that, "that guitar sounds really good!"  Chet immediately laid the guitar on the table and asked, "How's it sound now?". 
There is a good point here: it ain't the gear (gtr, looping device etc.) it's the guy/gal working it.  If you have something musical to say that will come across regardless of the "instrument" being manipulated (which brings to mind Rick's and Kris' "tunes with toys"...).
 
Canned tracks, drum machines et al. can be very plain, droll and boring or they can be wildly inventive, amusing and entertaining.
So can guitars, keyboards, basses, loops and vocals....
 
I have, in the past used the term "looper" or "looping" in my promo material.  Now I don't.  I prefer to think of myself simply as a musician (and, without pretention, an Artist with a capital A).  I use looping extensively, (tho' not as extensively as others on this list) but feel it is an integral part of and extenstion of what I play.  I do not limit myself to being solely a "Looping Artist", and should my looping devices go down in a show I could (and have) carried on the performance "sans loops".
Once, when asked what kind of music I play I responded "you mean there's more than one kind?"
I am a musician.  I make music, play music.  Not just "loop music", not just "bass music" (tho I am a bassist)---just music.
 
I used to explain the process of looping in performance.  It didn't really matter to the audience.  I no longer do that and keep the loopage as stealthy sort of extension of the performance.
 
In general we seem as a culture to crave defintions; we want all of our toys placed in their respective boxes...as we like the proverbial "us" and "them" placed in their respective boxes as well.  This leads to the myriad of sub-genres and classifications which, while well-intended to help a listener (or would-be listener) define their listening experience (...hmmm me wonders if that is really neccessary?), really only seem to muddle the landscape with more boxes to fill.
 
A few years back I got into a bit of hot water with the "experimental music" community.  I was playing an expertimental music festival, and this event was being filmed for a documentary.  I was early and was being interviewed.  The question arose as to what makes an "experimental musician", and I replied that a great number who classify themselves by that title do so simply because they cannot play their instruments very well...if at all.  It easy to be "experimental" when you don't know what it is you are doing.  Not that that is a bad thing neccessarily...it certainly qualifies as self-expression.  But, is beating the face of a guitar with a bologna sandwhich really a musical expression...or just silliness?  Many "experimental" players have no concept of structure, which exists even in "free" playing, know neither how to listen nor how to hear, and while they can, for the most part, manipulate whatever machine(s) they are employing to perform the tasks they were designed for, most cannot really "play" those machines; work them in a matter from which they coax the music out of both the machine and themselves.
And does an "experimental musician" limit his/herself to only playing what might somehow be determined to be "experimental music"?
 Does a "looping musician" only play with loops?
 
I have a good friend who is a very fine "electronic musician"...and I suppose "experimental" as well.  He loves Hank Williams and Johnny Cash.  Go figure.
 
This a great thread....and it has taken some curious turns.  The terminology used to describe one's art, the use or not of canned loops/backing tracks....or even how "difficult" or impressive a performance is (btw, my "money" gig of late has been playing country bass; which is not all that impressive or difficult, yet requires a very different measure of virtusosity, and has been one of the most challenging--and rewarding-- gigs I have ever taken), is all not as important as what kind of musical/artistic statement one has to make.
 
We tend to, at times, underestimate our audiences.  We either feel they cannot fathom the degree of complexity in the music, cannot be challenged to listen in new ways, must be pandered to.....but they can.  And, sometimes, they don't really want to know the wizard is hiding behind the curtain.....they just want to enjoy the show.
 
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Cute as a bug's ear. These are nice=20 too:
 
http://www.swe= etwater.com/store/detail/CubeMon30/ (Roland=20 cube monitors)
Mackie: http://www.sweetw= ater.com/store/detail/SRM150/
 
My issues with the small systems is = ability to=20 produce intense low frequencies. I have some max patches that are = dropping down=20 to 5hz (felt only). At my last performance at the university, they had a = full=20 scale PA with massive wattage in the cottage, and separate bass bin cabs = (1X18).=20 I almost made that system rummble off the stage with my mini guitar and = max/msp.=20 Massive!  I love making folks' butts vibrate in their seats. =20
 
Stanosaur, you and me could team up, = eh? Max=20 vs. the Stanosaur!
 
Kris
 

raul.....you asked a bit ago about a small = inexpensive pa=20 TO PLAY YOUR LOOPS on, i just saw this today.....retail $499, street = should be=20 a bit lower.....Click Here: = Check out=20 "Alto: For Music with Passion"
 ------=_NextPart_000_0E40_01C7F6AC.CC496B80-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:54:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6515C3BF88; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Prerecordedmaterial Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:54:54 +0000 Message-Id: <091420071454.26583.46EAA0BE0005CA66000067D72216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26583_1189781694_0" Resent-Message-ID: <2PABG.A.-1.ADq6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74471 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:54:56 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26583_1189781694_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Of course it all depends on the genre and audience. To me, its all the same. In my electronica gig, I try to blur the lines between DJ and Performing Musician. The audience wants the music to sound good. Period. If I need to have several parts layed out to serve the music, so be it. I could, and have played everything live. Its a lot of work and the arrangments tend to resemble one another as a result. A lot of looping that I hear, is really more about the manipulation of sound then the actual playing of the instrument. The notes played on the guitar are really just a starting point. Delays, filters, and the looper itself are the stars of the show. So the natural extension of that is to use anything and everything at your disposal. The audience doesn't care. Maybe the calssic rock guitar player in the back of the room will sneer and dismiss me as being fake, but I couldn't give a shit about him. My audience is just trying to blow off some steam after a long week. The bass line I recorded on wednesday and added all sorts of clip envelopes will sound way better then the bass line I could play live. Melodies, solos, and other flavors are done live and are never the same. Plus with Lives Follow actions, you can have as much or as little randomness as you like. Whatever serves the music. Ego be damned. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rick Walker" > I've only done all improvisatory concerts for the last 10 years of my life > but I have started to desire playing some more formal musical concerts with > my looping > gear in the upcoming year. > > Though I put a high premium on people doing as much as possible live I was > enthralled > with Thomas Dolby's recent spate of concerts where he had a lot of > prerecorded material > that he seemlessly added to his considerable live looping chops. > > Essentially, his performance had a beautiful blend of spontaneity with his > live looping > and also wonderful renditions of some of the tunes of his that I love > dearly. > His rendition of 'One of Our Submarines' was so beautiful and evocative > that I cried > during it. I honestly didn't stop to analyze how much he had looped live > in it and how > much he was triggering as pre-made loops and/or samples. It was just great, > emotionally > rendered and entertaining music. > > There are times when attempting to do more formal kinds of music like pop > songs as a 'fer instance > where it just takes too long to get the whole thing going in terms of the > energy of the song and > the interaction of the audience. > > Quite frankly, I am entertaining the thought of having occasional stored > loops where I can > be very, very improvisatory and off the cuff at the end of one tune and then > immediately > launch a loop that gives me enough time to quickly change instruments and > vibes for the next track. > > You know, it's interesting, but Amy X Neuburg has been one of the very > best recieved > live looping artists in our festivals and community. Kid Beyond is also > similarly extremely well recieved > as a looping artist. Both of these artists use a lot of pre canned > material in their shows. > After having seen Amy's show many times, it's apparent that things are > planned to within a gnats eye lash > in her songs. No one has ever complained in the looping community about > it because they are both > such incredibly performers and, indeed, they are doing the lion's share of > their work in real time , viz a vis > looping. > > Still and all, I make it clear to all who play the Y2K Festivals that their > performances have to be > predominantly live looping oriented. > > I've turned away dozens of groups who play to predominantly pre recorded > loops and just aren't in the spirit > of live looping. > > In the long run, the larger and more mass audiences neither care whether > what we are doing is canned or > spontaneous.................they tend only to think about the music and the > performance. > > And this is coming from a guy who has been a militantly no canned loops > performer for a long, long time. > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_26583_1189781694_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Of course it all depends on the genre and audience. To me, its all the same. In my electronica gig, I try to blur the lines between DJ and Performing Musician. The audience wants the music to sound good. Period. If I need to have several parts layed out to serve the music, so be it. I could, and have played everything live. Its a lot of work and the arrangments tend to resemble one another as a result. 
 
A lot of looping that I hear, is really more about the manipulation of sound then the actual playing of the instrument. The notes played on the guitar are really just a starting point. Delays, filters, and the looper itself are the stars of the show.
 
So the natural extension of that is to use anything and everything at your disposal. The audience doesn't care. Maybe the calssic rock guitar player in the back of the room will sneer and dismiss me as being fake, but I couldn't give a shit about him. My audience is just trying to blow off some steam after a long week. The bass line I recorded on wednesday and added all sorts of clip envelopes will sound way better then the bass line I could play live. Melodies, solos, and other flavors are done live and are never the same. Plus with Lives Follow actions, you can have as much or as little randomness as you like.
 
Whatever serves the music. Ego be damned.
 
MFC
 
 
 
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Rick Walker" <looppool@cruzio.com>

> I've only done all improvisatory concerts for the last 10 years of my life
> but I have started to desire playing some more formal musical concerts with
> my looping
> gear in the upcoming year.
>
> Though I put a high premium on people doing as much as possible live I was
> enthralled
> with Thomas Dolby's recent spate of concerts where he had a lot of
> prerecorded material
> that he seemlessly added to his considerable live looping chops.
>
> Essentially, his performance had a beautiful blend of spontaneity with his
> live looping
> and also wonderful renditions of some of the tunes of his that I love
> dearly.
> His rendition of 'One of Our Submarines' was so beautiful and evocative
> that I cried
> during it. I honestly didn't stop to analyze ho w much he had looped live
> in it and how
> much he was triggering as pre-made loops and/or samples. It was just great,
> emotionally
> rendered and entertaining music.
>
> There are times when attempting to do more formal kinds of music like pop
> songs as a 'fer instance
> where it just takes too long to get the whole thing going in terms of the
> energy of the song and
> the interaction of the audience.
>
> Quite frankly, I am entertaining the thought of having occasional stored
> loops where I can
> be very, very improvisatory and off the cuff at the end of one tune and then
> immediately
> launch a loop that gives me enough time to quickly change instruments and
> vibes for the next track.
>
> You know, it's interesting, but Amy X Neuburg has been one of the very
> best recieved
> live looping artists in our festivals and community. Kid Beyond is also
> similarly extremely well recieved
> as a looping artist. Both of these artists use a lot of pre canned
> material in their shows.
> After having seen Amy's show many times, it's apparent that things are
> planned to within a gnats eye lash
> in her songs. No one has ever complained in the looping community about
> it because they are both
> such incredibly performers and, indeed, they are doing the lion's share of
> their work in real time , viz a vis
> looping.
>
> Still and all, I make it clear to all who play the Y2K Festivals that their
> performances have to be
> predominantly live looping oriented.
>
> I've turned away dozens of groups who play to predominantly pre recorded
> loops and just aren't in the spirit
> of live looping.
>
> In the long run, the larger and more mass audiences neither care whether
> wh at we are doing is canned or
> spontaneous.................they tend only to think about the music and the
> performance.
>
> And this is coming from a guy who has been a militantly no canned loops
> performer for a long, long time.
>
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Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:55:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7ncOv.A.V4.fDq6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74472 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:55:27 +0000 (UTC) On 14 sep 2007, at 16.31, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Does anyone know of a good, actually excellent, external hard > drive. I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus > powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced. > Thanks I've been using two external firewire drives from LaCie for some good three years now with no problems. I have the 300GB model, since I heard there were some nasty issues with the larger ones. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 14:58:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 032933BF94; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:58:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; bh=5ed55LiZ/856VOG9Grf2ByM1UdG+sJ0hIZNA4QJLDWY=; b=iKymVctru55gBZzjFP/xGcK5ODYm3cGNVObLjbnduWN22/O6F7TdlR8hS/ytnjfZ9m4EKEu2GkKQk0NglnVEYVyMsqiMMp0ZcM8lh1GkOjpiusQbgTF3NZdKec6UZ/6m/25lJ1hCnQpUSUO2IHGVZM9DWGiYl3sXpPcHTd7Kpx8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer:sender; b=setImlvEdbr4StKOO7YbgqudJatxu198as9FPs1E0DfWeLJMFSmzDhrfRBWEDoae7fUZaxutKqrFVPWyEhPrD+N+JntKmVNQtTIetaH+5gB3s59DyOkBFWQfs6S9W1H2Zppy80v2Ku52GPWwPszkNmmO3e5ixfXN2eJ4O2bVmcw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Fwd: External Hard Drive Quest.... Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:58:11 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Sender: Per Boysen Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74473 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:58:18 +0000 (UTC) > On 14 sep 2007, at 16.31, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a good, actually excellent, external hard >> drive. I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus >> powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced. >> Thanks > >> From: Per Boysen > I've been using two external firewire drives from LaCie for some > good three years now with no problems. I have the 300GB model, > since I heard there were some nasty issues with the larger ones. Woops... sorry, mine are not bus powered. I bring a power adapter with each of them. per From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:02:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CF9F43BF7E; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:02:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6E0.3DF174E6" Subject: RE: External Hard Drive Quest.... 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I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced.=20 Thanks ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6E0.3DF174E6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

www.newegg.com has = a really great search/navigation capability – just drill down on your = requirements.

 

dh

 

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Does anyone know of a good, actually excellent, = external hard drive. I need it to be small in size, 100 gig at least, bus = powered, 7200 rpm and reasonablt priced.

Thanks

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F6E0.3DF174E6-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:06:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5EB1F3BF23; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0e5801c7f6e0$dce375b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <5.2.1.1.0.20070914074159.00e1cac8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:06:42 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E55_01C7F6AE.915C34B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_Y0V7D.A.HdB.FOq6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74475 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:06:45 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0E55_01C7F6AE.915C34B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cara Quinn=20 My personal view on music is that if something touches or moves = someone (anyone / anywhere) in a positive way, inspiring them, then I = think it's good. =20 I think that is the best statement yet, but I would take it further. = Many artists don't discriminate between positive and negative in the = reactions they seek or accept from their works (because the artistic = world tends to be more liberale in light of so-called absolutes...right, = wrong, good, bad, etc). Simply put, any emotional response or reaction = from a piece of art (music in this case), indicates success in my = perspective. That to me is more preferrable. Because why does = everything have to be positive? The real world is a mixture of positive = and negative. That is life I would I like music music to generate very = diverse repsonses. In fact, I hope that at least a sub-set of my = listeners completely loath my music or find it offensive. That way I = know I'm not creating with rose colored glasses on and trying to please = everyone, or the watered down common denominator. That concept in = itself makes me sick to my stomach. So, to me at least, generating a = whole spectrum of emotional responses is more preferrable and realistic. = The whole spectrum suggests success. =20 Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0E55_01C7F6AE.915C34B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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From:=20 Cara Quinn
  My personal view on music is that if something touches or = moves=20 someone (anyone / anywhere) in a positive way, inspiring them, then I = think=20 it's good. 
 
I think that is the best statement = yet, but I=20 would take it further. Many artists don't discriminate between = positive and=20 negative in the reactions they seek or accept from their works = (because the=20 artistic world tends to be more liberale in light of so-called=20 absolutes...right, wrong, good, bad, etc). Simply put, any emotional = response=20 or reaction from a piece of art (music in this case), indicates = success in my=20 perspective. That to me is more preferrable.  Because why does = everything=20 have to be positive? The real world is a mixture of positive and = negative.=20 That is life I would I like music music to generate very diverse = repsonses. In=20 fact, I hope that at least a sub-set of my listeners completely loath = my music=20 or find it offensive. That way I know I'm not creating with rose = colored=20 glasses on and trying to please everyone, or the watered down common=20 denominator.  That concept in itself makes me sick to my stomach. = So, to=20 me at least, generating a whole spectrum of emotional responses is = more=20 preferrable and realistic. The whole spectrum suggests=20 success.  
 
Kris
 
------=_NextPart_000_0E55_01C7F6AE.915C34B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:13:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 006503BF8F; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: James Richmond Subject: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:13:23 -0400 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8Zyo7B.A.IxB.WUq6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74476 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, no undo required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all the time. I am trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally something that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable per pedal. That is it really, but the devil is in the details. I have a couple of foot controllers already- that can send CC messages, which kinda works except with one the 1/2 speed CC is in a different bank (so I have to press bank up, and bank down all the time), the other is not able to be set to specify specific values for the CC messages, so it seems to alternate between sending 0 and 127 for each controller number, which means I have to press each button twice to get a result, sometimes not. All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, Overdub, Half Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems like a pretty simple requirement. I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but it is $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi. Does anyone have any other options for me? Regards, Jim Richmond From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:21:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 58C7E3BF98; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-24-1022655707 Message-Id: <27C0220E-2528-4B97-A956-E8DE7F5D6A49@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:20:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.101 (HTML_MESSAGE) Resent-Message-ID: <3aSjrD.A.n_B.jbq6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74477 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:21:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-24-1022655707 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed well the Behringer FCB1010 is only 100 bucks and would do all that u need. it isnt that small though:-) ___ Adrian Bartholomew 2550 S 36th St. Quincy, IL 62305 (913) 660-6918 http://www.jaxtr.com/dreadrocksean __________ What's with the pursed lip poses? Beginning to look weird...on an alien level. On Sep 14, 2007, at 10:13 AM, James Richmond wrote: > Hi all, > > I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, no undo > required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all the time. > I am trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally > something that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable > per pedal. > > That is it really, but the devil is in the details. > I have a couple of foot controllers already- that can send CC > messages, which kinda works except with one the 1/2 speed CC is in > a different bank (so I have to press bank up, and bank down all the > time), the other is not able to be set to specify specific values > for the CC messages, so it seems to alternate between sending 0 and > 127 for each controller number, which means I have to press each > button twice to get a result, sometimes not. > > All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, Overdub, Half > Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems like a pretty > simple requirement. > I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but it is > $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi. > > Does anyone have any other options for me? > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > --Apple-Mail-24-1022655707 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 well the Behringer FCB1010 is = only 100 bucks and would do all that u need. it isnt that small = though:-)
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
2550 S 36th St.
Quincy, IL = 62305
(913) 660-6918
__________
What's with the pursed lip = poses? Beginning to look weird...on an alien = level.



 =

On Sep 14, 2007, at 10:13 AM, James Richmond = wrote:

Hi all,

I use an = Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, no undo required but I do = use reverse and 1/2 speed all the time.
I am = trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally something = that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable per = pedal.

That is it really, but the devil is in the = details.
I have a couple of foot=A0 controllers already- that can = send CC messages, which kinda works except with one the 1/2 speed CC is = in a different bank (so I have to press bank up, and bank down all the = time), the other is not able to be set to specify specific values for = the CC messages, so it seems to alternate between sending 0 and 127 for = each controller number, which means I have to press each button twice to = get a result, sometimes not.

All I want is to be able to have = Rec, Play, Stop, Overdub, Half Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- = it seems like a pretty simple requirement.
I had = considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but it is $500, = bulky and cannot receive power over midi.

Does anyone = have any other options for me?

Regards,

Jim = Richmond

=

= --Apple-Mail-24-1022655707-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:23:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1BB3F3BF39; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 09:23:04 -0600 Message-Id: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: kevin@minds-eye.org Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 X-IPAddress: 137.150.33.94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74478 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:23:05 +0000 (UTC) > > > well the Behringer FCB1010 is only 100 bucks and would do all that u > need. it isnt that small though:-) And it doesn't receive power through midi either Kevin -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:52:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D1A23BF94; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:52:16 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> In-Reply-To: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <2I4l0D.A.sAD.y4q6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74479 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Kevin Cheli-Colando : > > >> >> >> well the Behringer FCB1010 is only 100 bucks and would do all that u >> need. it isnt that small though:-) > While we are on this topic... Would anyone have recommendations for a MIDI controller that uses pads or buttons instead of foot pedals -- something comparable to an FCB1010? Thanks? Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 15:56:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8EB153BF42; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=UO7NslhKVKWdPbev70Um0BVZnyfNGGacbdTUZ5hi8L8=; b=RWcfpEgvb+gLfw5B8dQ1aSEi8Z/BjQ6mNW9D9Wvus2O5cqiS93/ErnOaeaoBwQb5wm43BZRC7yOvW6+xh1NwVi0VKKZMINmfn5xpZs+JZgbmGRF1fVQjYHdGaVt2uKkawPn2DragU71lS1I8Xnw/snOwbmDb1xCaC/ibvM94yOw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=VsbrmyWxMdbn/TWWUDg3apbd80qJp8smH39Ahb2CfYOwIB/kxEzggCvDwtdXwh1Y+p8O1xjykehrXogJ57IjHqRA4+2QoEHUe0zVUAWSZlXfObRcw/Bmv2fEK7dRw2DvDqEtCBwctNgOqnGN05hPrlV8ZfrgiCa1qveZgkpxHAU= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:56:07 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller In-Reply-To: <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1943_17382919.1189785367742" References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74480 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:56:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1943_17382919.1189785367742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The M-Audio Trigger Finger may be what you're looking for. I love mine. Would anyone have recommendations for a MIDI controller that uses pads > or buttons instead of foot pedals -- something comparable to an FCB1010? > > Thanks? > > Kevin > > ------=_Part_1943_17382919.1189785367742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The M-Audio Trigger Finger may be what you're looking for.  I love mine.

Would anyone have recommendations for a MIDI controller that uses pads
or buttons instead of foot pedals -- something comparable to an FCB1010?

Thanks?

Kevin


------=_Part_1943_17382919.1189785367742-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:15:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3D22A3BF79; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:15:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf24c5ohDCCMzkYSDuMF34uK0DEeQACF64Q References: From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <-KFfnD.A.awD.qOr6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74481 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:15:38 +0000 (UTC) I'm not aware of any programmable foot controller that runs on MIDI power. There aren't a lot of options unfortunately, if you want to buy something new there are: Behringer FCB1010 - $150 - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but large. 10 functions per bank. Silent switches. =20 Rocktron MIDI Mate - $150 - Cheap, smaller than the FCB1010, but not as powerful. If I remember right this has average programming features but it only has a maximum of 5 functions per bank, you wanted 6. Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400 - Compact, rugged, expensive. Noisy switches. More powerful than the FCB in some ways, less in others. 8 or 12 functions per bank depending on how you configure it. Yamaha MFC10 - $280 - Has latency problems, doesn't get good reviews on this list. Roland FC-200 - $320 - I'm not very familiar with this, but it looks about as large as the FCB1010 for twice the money. Then there are some powerful, outrageously expensive boutique controllers like the Rocktron All Access, RS-10, Skrdstrup. These are way more than you need. Always download and read the manuals before you buy. Each controller has its own set of quirks that may or may not be a deal breaker for you. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:21:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA7243BFA5; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:21:42 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD03@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf258Y4+TsvlOlSQSeyzJRBAJ1nZAAAsRmw References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74482 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:21:31 +0000 (UTC) > > Would anyone have recommendations for a MIDI controller that uses pads > > or buttons instead of foot pedals -- something comparable to an FCB1010? >=20 >=20 > The M-Audio Trigger Finger may be what you're looking for. I love mine. =20 Another vote for the Trigger Finger! =20 Some newer ones are the AKAI MPD16 and the Korg padKONTROL. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:25:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 640FE3BFAC; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:25:43 -0400 From: phaslem@wightman.ca To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) Resent-Message-ID: <7ja1C.A.WPE.KYr6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74483 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:25:46 +0000 (UTC) Actually the tech21 midi moose will run on midi power or a power supply or on a 9volt battery http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html Paul Haslem Ontario Canada, www.dulcify.ca Quoting Jeff Larson : > > I'm not aware of any programmable foot controller that runs on MIDI > power. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:54:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D5F13BFA4; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf26+jGX7EFdLOBS2Szrah/YACuiwAAxneg References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74484 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:54:00 +0000 (UTC) > Actually the tech21 midi moose will run on midi power or a power =20 > supply or on a 9volt battery http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html I think it only sends program changes though, no note programming. It's also unclear whether it is programmable at all, I couldn't find a manual online but it looks like you scroll through the program change range with up/down buttons then use one of the 5 switches to select programs in that range. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:55:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCAF93BF9B; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070914081935.04b01c88@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:42:55 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-Reply-To: <0e5801c7f6e0$dce375b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <5.2.1.1.0.20070914074159.00e1cac8@mail.onemodelplace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-5C1443D7 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74485 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:55:39 +0000 (UTC) Ah Kris, thanks for your note. I think we may be in more agreement than my note might have put across. :) When I say positive, I'm not necessarily meaning the whole -bunnies, birds, happy lil flowers sort of positive! :) If someone is moved as in getting cold water splashed on their face, and it makes them reevaluate things and they find that that was exactly what they needed, then I think that's positive! :) Now, as far as the world being a multifaceted place, of course! :) So it just tends to be my own personal spin on whatever I create that it go toward something I myself would like to experience. I personally would like to see a bit more 'intelligent lightness of being' in the world, but that doesn't mean to me, that my art should all be light... Sometimes a message needs to be intense to be perceived as intended... yes?... So if art moves people (whether that is to cry or get up and shake their booties!) I certainly think it's good if good comes of it... :) Anyway, 'nuff from me fur now! :) Thanks again, and I wish you an awesome day!... Smiles, Cara :) At 09:06 AM 9/14/2007 - 0600, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Cara Quinn > My personal view on music is that if something touches or moves someone > (anyone / anywhere) in a positive way, inspiring them, then I think it's > good. > >I think that is the best statement yet, but I would take it further. Many >artists don't discriminate between positive and negative in the reactions >they seek or accept from their works (because the artistic world tends to >be more liberale in light of so-called absolutes...right, wrong, good, >bad, etc). Simply put, any emotional response or reaction from a piece of >art (music in this case), indicates success in my perspective. That to me >is more preferrable. Because why does everything have to be positive? The >real world is a mixture of positive and negative. That is life I would I >like music music to generate very diverse repsonses. In fact, I hope that >at least a sub-set of my listeners completely loath my music or find it >offensive. That way I know I'm not creating with rose colored glasses on >and trying to please everyone, or the watered down common >denominator. That concept in itself makes me sick to my stomach. So, to >me at least, generating a whole spectrum of emotional responses is more >preferrable and realistic. The whole spectrum suggests success. > >Kris > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: >9/11/2007 1:37 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 1:37 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 16:59:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E35043BFB2; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Dh8o4kmBAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=VpQIJpSR3r63zVO_QcwA:9 a=Ib2_kExkVI1sgfZoLrKRkein6-wA:4 a=soHY4ZIH9rIA:10 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=JN35CgLez50A:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=-vQYAtIGxGcA:10 a=QJdwZ6CtuJdeH0hZamkA:9 a=Wzh0c_HKjj9NOZkqwbcA:7 a=zjcuxQCoXSAMtNHsyvPrSeCQ0-EA:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-60-1028542832 Message-Id: From: monk Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:59:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74486 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:59:09 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-60-1028542832 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed i'll need to insert my annual praise for the lake butler midi midigator RFC-1 foot pedal. i'm like a broken record, i know. i bought two more of them a few months back as spares.... it does CC, note on/off, program change, hex, sysex... and you can have something like 128 events per pedal push on as many midi channels as you can imagine... or at least as many as exist. when i go on and on about it.. i feel like someone who's saying " well the bugatti is a pretty good car..." i'll shut up now. r. ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-60-1028542832 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i'll need to insert my annual = praise for the lake butler midi midigator RFC-1 foot pedal. i'm like=A0 = a broken record, i know. i bought two more of them a few months back as = spares....

it = does CC, note on/off, program change, hex, sysex... and you can have = something like 128 events per pedal push on as many midi channels as you = can imagine... or at least as many as exist.

when i go on and on about = it.. i feel like someone who's saying " well the bugatti is a pretty = good car..."


i'll shut up = now.



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ric = hordinski

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= --Apple-Mail-60-1028542832-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 17:09:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D3523BFAF; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0ea301c7f6f1$fd516670$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:09:18 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74487 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:09:21 +0000 (UTC) That's right...only program changes I have both the MIDI Moose and the mighty MIDI Mouse. Great little units. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Larson" To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller > Actually the tech21 midi moose will run on midi power or a power > supply or on a 9volt battery http://www.tech21nyc.com/midimoose.html I think it only sends program changes though, no note programming. It's also unclear whether it is programmable at all, I couldn't find a manual online but it looks like you scroll through the program change range with up/down buttons then use one of the 5 switches to select programs in that range. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 17:25:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3E3373BFB2; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 12:25:13 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD36@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf28JOrvwUvX909SKazTRqNqS2soAAAgwyg References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <4V6gxB.A.t3G.tPs6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74488 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:25:02 +0000 (UTC) > i'll need to insert my annual praise for the lake butler > midi midigator RFC-1 foot pedal =20 Yes, I have one of these too. They're quite powerful, but it is important to understand that they've been out of production for a long time so fixing them is practically impossible and finding replacement power supplies can be difficult. I'm told Condor Electronics can make a compatible power supply. =20 The main reason I don't use mine any more is that there are only 5 switches per bank compared to 10 on the FCB1010. This means that you'll be using the Inc/Dec switches to scroll through banks more often to get to your looper functions. =20 I also find the switches almost impossible to press without wearing shoes which is generally not an issue for live performance, but annoying when I'm at home. Jeff BTW, my RFC-1 is in near mint condition if anyone wants to=20 buy a backup. Contact me off list. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E788C3BFA4; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070914130647.urdpvq4eocogkw80@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:06:47 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD03@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD03@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74489 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) >> >> The M-Audio Trigger Finger may be what you're looking for. I love > mine. > > Another vote for the Trigger Finger! > Thank you Doug and Jeff for the quick replies. Looking over the specs for the Trigger Finger, it definately looks like it would work for me. Does this controller mount on a stand of some kind? I need to operate it while standing. Does it mount on a mic stand or do I need some kind of special stand for it? Appreciate the info! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:12:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2657D3BF74; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD4F@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <20070914130647.urdpvq4eocogkw80@69.89.21.76> Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf2+gd6ErPD7LRTTGOPMkahibnCMgAADK0g References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD03@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914130647.urdpvq4eocogkw80@69.89.21.76> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74490 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:12:15 +0000 (UTC) > Does this controller mount on a stand of some kind? I need to operate > it while standing. Does it mount on a mic stand or do I need some =20 > kind of special stand for it? There is a hole in the bottom that looks like it is threaded for a standard male mic stand screw/plug. I've never tried this but I would be a little concerned about stability. The unit is all plastic and since you tend to bang on these with vigor a little table might be better than a mic stand. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:52:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1ADCC3BF86; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:47:24 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: house concert Saturday night, Raleigh NC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74491 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:52:25 +0000 (UTC) This Saturday night I am hosting a house concert at badgerhaus in west Raleigh, NC, including at least two loop-oriented performances. Suggested donation of $5 at the door for the traveling musicians. Email if you are in the area and would like directions to the show. Doors at 8pm, music at 9pm. Performing: * Cakes of Light, Brooklyn NY - On the Heat Retention Records label, doing esotericist folk songs interspersed and looped up with bits of noise". http://www.myspace.com/cakesoflight Cakes of Light is also playing several shows in the NC area over the following week (including the Nightlight Saturday the 22nd September), so if you don't make this show, catch them elsewhere. * Subscape Annex, RTP NC - minimalist improvisational ambient drone http://www.subscapeannex.com/ * Bryce Clayton Eiman, Chapel Hill NC - experimental tape manipulation http://www.myspace.com/bryceclaytoneiman * Todd Jenkins of Wandering Star Project (NC) will provide visuals for the evening. thanks, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:53:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28CB03BFB4; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F700.6C55227A" Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:52:34 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf24c5ohDCCMzkYSDuMF34uK0DEeQACF64QAAU0QNA= References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 18:53:10.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[7EF6C270:01C7F700] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/zimvGvWNONH77wCUc3oKOebS1aDhAK/esiAw W71ufBFFf5jG+MLfN72hBMCaiIM5llTaD69dEpcz6vRjce+tt Resent-Message-ID: <9f6oT.A.aPC.lit6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74492 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:53:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F700.6C55227A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable patches? I'd like to have Ableton send my controller program changes while playing. =20 Trigger Finger has a MIDI Out, but not a MIDI In. =20 I've got a Roland FC-200 (not sure if the 1010 has more features or not) but I can't send it Program Changes or remotely switch Modes (between Controller, Program Change, Note & SysEx modes). I am, however, able to send it SysEx messages, so I may end up doing that. =20 Dave H. =20 PS: =20 there's a mounting bracket for Trigger Finger: http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFingerMountingBracket-main. html =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:16 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller =20 =20 I'm not aware of any programmable foot controller that runs on MIDI power. There aren't a lot of options unfortunately, if you want to buy something new there are: =20 Behringer FCB1010 - $150 - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but large. 10 functions per bank. Silent switches. =20 =20 Rocktron MIDI Mate - $150 - Cheap, smaller than the FCB1010, but not as powerful. If I remember right this has average programming features but it only has a maximum of 5 functions per bank, you wanted 6. =20 Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400 - Compact, rugged, expensive. Noisy switches. More powerful than the FCB in some ways, less in others. 8 or 12 functions per bank depending on how you configure it. =20 Yamaha MFC10 - $280 - Has latency problems, doesn't get good reviews on this list. =20 Roland FC-200 - $320 - I'm not very familiar with this, but it looks about as large as the FCB1010 for twice the money. =20 Then there are some powerful, outrageously expensive boutique controllers like the Rocktron All Access, RS-10, Skrdstrup. These are way more than you need. =20 Always download and read the manuals before you buy. Each controller has its own set of quirks that may or may not be a deal breaker for you. =20 Jeff =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F700.6C55227A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do any of these controllers have remotely = changeable patches?

I'd like to have Ableton send my controller program changes while = playing.

 

Trigger Finger has a MIDI Out, but not a MIDI = In.

 

I've got a Roland FC-200 (not sure if the 1010 = has more features or not) but I can't send it Program Changes or remotely switch = Modes (between Controller, Program Change, Note & SysEx modes).  I = am, however, able to send it SysEx messages, so I may end up doing = that.

 

Dave H.

 

PS:

 

there's a mounting bracket for Trigger = Finger:

http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFingerMountingB= racket-main.html

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:16 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller

 

 

I'm not aware of any programmable foot = controller that runs on MIDI

power.  There aren't a lot of options = unfortunately, if you want to

buy something new there are:

 

Behringer FCB1010 - $150

  - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but = large.  10 functions per bank.

    Silent switches.  =

 

Rocktron MIDI Mate - $150

  - Cheap, smaller than the FCB1010, but = not as powerful.

    If I remember right this has = average programming features but it

    only has a maximum of 5 = functions per bank, you wanted 6.

 

Digital Music Ground Control Pro - = $400

  - Compact, rugged, expensive.  Noisy switches.  More powerful than

    the FCB in some ways, less in others.  8 or 12 functions per

    bank depending on how you = configure it.

 

Yamaha MFC10 - $280

  - Has latency problems, doesn't get good = reviews on this list.

 

Roland FC-200 - $320

  - I'm not very familiar with this, but it = looks about as large

    as the FCB1010 for twice the = money.

 

Then there are some powerful, outrageously = expensive boutique

controllers like the Rocktron All Access, RS-10, Skrdstrup.  These are

way more than you need.

 

Always download and read the manuals before you buy.  Each controller

has its own set of quirks that may or may not be = a deal breaker for

you.

 

Jeff

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F700.6C55227A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 18:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24C433BF0B; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1035779061 Message-Id: <4C660C80-A966-4E57-B5A3-8D27F9C945A3@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:59:36 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74493 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1035779061 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed i don't know about the FCB1010. it can certainly receive midi in, as =20 i modify my patches with a gui called iFCB. worth looking into. On Sep 14, 2007, at 11:52 AM, David Huffman wrote: > Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable patches? > > I'd like to have Ableton send my controller program changes while =20 > playing. > > > > Trigger Finger has a MIDI Out, but not a MIDI In. > > > > I've got a Roland FC-200 (not sure if the 1010 has more features or =20= > not) but I can't send it Program Changes or remotely switch Modes =20 > (between Controller, Program Change, Note & SysEx modes). I am, =20 > however, able to send it SysEx messages, so I may end up doing that. > > > > Dave H. > > > > PS: > > > > there's a mounting bracket for Trigger Finger: > > http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/TriggerFingerMountingBracket-=20 > main.html > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:16 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller > > > > > > I'm not aware of any programmable foot controller that runs on MIDI > > power. There aren't a lot of options unfortunately, if you want to > > buy something new there are: > > > > Behringer FCB1010 - $150 > > - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but large. 10 functions per bank. > > Silent switches. > > > > Rocktron MIDI Mate - $150 > > - Cheap, smaller than the FCB1010, but not as powerful. > > If I remember right this has average programming features but it > > only has a maximum of 5 functions per bank, you wanted 6. > > > > Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400 > > - Compact, rugged, expensive. Noisy switches. More powerful than > > the FCB in some ways, less in others. 8 or 12 functions per > > bank depending on how you configure it. > > > > Yamaha MFC10 - $280 > > - Has latency problems, doesn't get good reviews on this list. > > > > Roland FC-200 - $320 > > - I'm not very familiar with this, but it looks about as large > > as the FCB1010 for twice the money. > > > > Then there are some powerful, outrageously expensive boutique > > controllers like the Rocktron All Access, RS-10, Skrdstrup. These are > > way more than you need. > > > > Always download and read the manuals before you buy. Each controller > > has its own set of quirks that may or may not be a deal breaker for > > you. > > > > Jeff > > > > --=20 Zo=EB Keating Avant Cellist & Composer Contact info: Telephone: 707.827.3217 Mobile: 415.867.5292 cello@zoekeating.com http://www.zoekeating.com http://www.myspace.com/zoecello Snail Mail: Zo=EB Keating PO Box 175 Camp Meeker, CA 95419, USA --Apple-Mail-1-1035779061 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 i don't know about the FCB1010. = it can certainly receive midi in, as i modify my patches with a gui = called iFCB.=A0
worth looking into.

On Sep = 14, 2007, at 11:52 AM, David Huffman wrote:

Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable = patches?I'd like to have Ableton send my controller program changes = while playing.

=A0

Trigger Finger has a MIDI Out, but not a MIDI In.

=A0

I've got a Roland FC-200 (not sure if the 1010 has more features = or not) but I can't send it Program Changes or remotely switch Modes = (between Controller, Program Change, Note & SysEx modes).=A0 I am, = however, able to send it SysEx messages, so I may end up doing = that.=A0

Dave H.

=A0

PS:=A0

there's a mounting = bracket for Trigger Finger:

=A0

=A0

=A0

=A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com= ]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:16 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@looper= s-delight.com
Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot = controller=A0

=A0

I'm not aware of any programmable foot controller that runs on = MIDIpower.=A0 There = aren't a lot of options unfortunately, if you want to

buy something new = there are:=A0

Behringer FCB1010 - = $150=A0 - Cheap, = reasonably flexible, but large.=A0 10 functions per bank.

=A0=A0=A0 Silent = switches.=A0=A0

Rocktron MIDI Mate - = $150=A0 - Cheap, smaller = than the FCB1010, but not as powerful.

=A0=A0=A0 If I remember right this has average programming = features but it

=A0=A0=A0 only has a maximum of 5 functions per bank, you wanted = 6.=A0

Digital Music Ground = Control Pro - $400

=A0 - Compact, rugged, expensive.=A0 Noisy switches.=A0 More = powerful than

=A0=A0=A0 the FCB in some ways, less in others.=A0 8 or 12 = functions per

=A0=A0=A0 bank depending on how you configure it.

=A0

Yamaha MFC10 - $280

=A0 - Has latency problems, doesn't get good reviews on this = list.=A0

Roland FC-200 - = $320=A0 - I'm not very = familiar with this, but it looks about as large

=A0=A0=A0 as the = FCB1010 for twice the money.

=A0

Then there are some powerful, outrageously expensive = boutiquecontrollers like the = Rocktron All Access, RS-10, Skrdstrup.=A0 These are

way more than you = need.=A0

Always download and = read the manuals before you buy.=A0 Each controller

has its own set of = quirks that may or may not be a deal breaker for

you.

=A0

Jeff


=
--=A0
Zo=EB = Keating
Avant Cellist & = Composer

Contact info:

Telephone: = 707.827.3217
Mobile: 415.867.5292

http://www.myspace.com/zoecello




=

= --Apple-Mail-1-1035779061-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:18:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D6B03BF49; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:18:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=GsjwVuUPDKSqUBZjV9qJisp4EgQv/luJVMYSZU1pcAlCglcT782l+qKF4+NC+jYz; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <23992170.1189797531682.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:18:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: External Hard Drive Quest.... 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I don't know if you can send them something that will make them change banks though. Out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you interested in making a patch librarian, or do you want to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as you perform. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:34:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3BF193BF95; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-1037862165 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:34:19 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74496 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:34:24 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-1037862165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Wow... I go out for a couple of hours and get a shedload of replies. Thanks ppl. > Behringer FCB1010 - $150 > - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but large. 10 functions per bank. > Silent switches. I had a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 programmable switches that I could assign midi note numbers to it and the rest of the switches selected patch numbers. Is it more flexible than this? I can live without power over midi as it has an integrated powersupply. I usually avoid Behringer due to build quality issues- how do ppl find this? > Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400 > - Compact, rugged, expensive. Noisy switches. More powerful than > the FCB in some ways, less in others. 8 or 12 functions per > bank depending on how you configure it. I have the original Ground Control and it is frustrating as hell as I can assign controller numbers to each of the top line of pedals BUT because they are controller numbers that you cannot specify a value for the ECHO PRO doesn't quite understand what is going on. For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which makes seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 value. I thought of getting the DL4 pedal version but it only has 14 secs of memory and shares a button for 1/2 speed and reverse, which is where I do most of my work with it. I also have an ADA midi pedal but that is the one where I have to bank up and down to get to different functions. All I want is 6 configurable buttons. Maybe an EDP is the way to go instead? The search continues. Regards, Jim Richmond --Apple-Mail-7-1037862165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow...

I go out for a couple of = hours and get a shedload of replies.
Thanks = ppl.

Behringer = FCB1010 - $150

=A0 - Cheap, = reasonably flexible, but large.=A0 = 10 functions per bank.

=A0 =A0 Silent = switches. =A0

=

I had = a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 programmable switches = that I could assign midi note numbers to it and the rest of the switches = selected patch numbers.
Is it more flexible than = this?
I can live without power over midi as it has an = integrated powersupply.
I usually avoid Behringer due to build = quality issues- how do ppl find this?

Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400

=A0 - Compact, rugged, = expensive.=A0 Noisy = switches.=A0 More powerful = than

=A0 =A0 the FCB in some ways, = less in others.=A0 8 or 12 = functions per

=A0 =A0 bank = depending on how you configure it.


I have the original Ground = Control and it is frustrating as hell as I can assign controller numbers = to each of the top line of pedals BUT because they are controller = numbers that you cannot specify a value for the ECHO PRO doesn't quite = understand what is going on.
For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to = press the button twice, which makes seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and = 1/2 speed are a single press though because they do not respond = differently to a 0 or 127 value.

I thought of getting the = DL4 pedal version but it only has 14 secs of memory and shares a button = for 1/2 speed and reverse, which is where I do most of my work with = it.

I also have an ADA midi pedal but that is the = one where I have to bank up and down to get to different = functions.
All I want is 6 configurable = buttons.
Maybe an EDP is the way to go instead?

The search = continues.

Regards,=A0

Jim = Richmond
= --Apple-Mail-7-1037862165-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:41:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC4293BFC0; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=586Zbs4ttZJBQCPlM3U31NjRvuqKc/2DgNoLmgcgGrs=; b=sAzGFuvhvHoVeEyUDXvmLky0RlRhhGlijBLsEpMPQQikQN3CcjrOfEkhM2oxP5zAF4+M0893e7vTWd17MINusCmREN2kSaBEc7932G3FpYsFdEHr8IIUzhvi8gK26zymvcVUmmZAFAoseS+i5sLVaPw9sB6l6B6bM+rBWc0kDXo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Iu+7Uc+OWL5J0HTYWk6FMSFVLh7QxywKXVRDY4heZstydZ8IzR+F/12IbuptO6f9CJQ1El6RSMr0+Q6dMGEldWVwnZELpOfy9AOeO2HUlLwgQKfoQhXSzgHEkYAx5khsUI+LFPwlpkGNBl0KfFxv7Of+C5WSiyOkMh3Gi1DS+0Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:41:49 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74497 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:41:57 +0000 (UTC) On 14 sep 2007, at 21.34, James Richmond wrote: > I had a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 > programmable switches that I could assign midi note numbers to it > and the rest of the switches selected patch numbers. > Is it more flexible than this? Yes, alot! :-) The manual is difficult to understand, but what it is basically trying to tell is that there are 1 FUNCTION for sending a MIDI note number and this function can then be assigned to any of the ten buttons. You can in essence set up one bank with each button sending a different MIDI note number. I use such a bank for playing "organ" with my feet. Just remember that what the manual calls "a pad" is this "function" and not the of the physical pads on the pedal board. There are other "pads" (functions) for sending MIDI Program Change or CC data as well. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:48:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF3493BFC8; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:48:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8-1038732613 Message-Id: <2B5A8984-ADD1-41F5-9E4F-9B8AD0BD64AE@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:48:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74498 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:48:53 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8-1038732613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > Yes, alot! :-) The manual is difficult to understand, but what it > is basically trying to tell is that there are 1 FUNCTION for > sending a MIDI note number and this function can then be assigned > to any of the ten buttons. You can in essence set up one bank with > each button sending a different MIDI note number. I use such a bank > for playing "organ" with my feet. > > Just remember that what the manual calls "a pad" is this "function" > and not the of the physical pads on the pedal board. There are > other "pads" (functions) for sending MIDI Program Change or CC data > as well. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen Thanks Per, Although I'd rather not give the oh so evil Behringer my cash, I think this might be the only way I can do it without spending significantly more money. I might even be able to control the looper in the MPX G2 at the same time, which would mean less pedals on the board. At $150 I guess it is worth a punt. Cheers ppl. Jim --Apple-Mail-8-1038732613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Yes, alot! :-)=A0 The manual is difficult to = understand, but what it is basically trying to tell is that there are 1 = FUNCTION for sending a MIDI note number and this function can then be = assigned to any of the ten buttons. You can in essence set up one bank = with each button sending a different MIDI note number. I use such a bank = for playing "organ" with my feet.


=

Just remember that what the = manual calls "a pad" is this "function" and not the of the physical pads = on the pedal board. There are other "pads" (functions) for sending MIDI = Program Change or CC data as well.


=

Greetings from = Sweden


Per Boysen

=

Thanks Per,

Although I'd rather not = give the oh so evil Behringer my cash, I think this might be the only = way I can do it without spending significantly more money.
I = might even be able to control the looper in the MPX G2 at the same time, = which would mean less pedals on the board.
At $150 I guess it = is worth a punt.

Cheers ppl.

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-8-1038732613-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:51:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ADDB23BFBA; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:53:14 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller In-reply-to: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <72CE8B05-D241-4C83-9F85-914E50C35AF4@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74499 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Axcess Electronics FX-1 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 19:58:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8289D3BFC3; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:58:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:59:08 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD8D@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf3BkMJ91cPDQLmTriGzdjOONPSegAADrtw References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74500 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:58:58 +0000 (UTC) > Behringer FCB1010 - $150 >=20 > I had a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 programmable > switches that I could assign midi note numbers to it and the rest > of the switches selected patch numbers. =20 No, there are 10 banks of 10 switches and all of them can be programmed to send a different note on/off message. Switches can also send program change messages alone or at the same time as notes. They can also send CC's but I'm not sure if you can combine CC's and notes on the same switch. =20 =20 > I usually avoid Behringer due to build quality issues-=20 > how do ppl find this? =20 I think it is actually built quite well. The Ground Control Pro is an absolute tank, you could drive a car over it and it would still work. But the switches are very noisy, I hate them. =20 > For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which makes > seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press > though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 value. =20 It sounds like your current switch is operating in "toggle" mode, it sends CC 127 when you press it once and CC 0 when you press it again. You usually want switches that can operate in "momentary" mode where it sends Note On/CC 127 when you press it and Note Off/CC 0 when you release it. The FCB and GCP can both do this. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:08:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 426073BFB7; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:08:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1039881483 Message-Id: <51E96D36-5074-4B41-A9D3-52407A231A48@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:07:58 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <-otwpB.A.yFG.hou6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74501 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:08:03 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1039881483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed the FCB1010 has been a great pedal for me. i've used one for almost 5 years, although i had to replace it last =20 year when i accidentally blew it up (european power + no coffee that =20 morning) i had the occasional problem with junk midi messages (i.e. messages =20 being sent that are not programmed - i caught these in my midi =20 monitoring app). but after getting a new eprom from behringer, those =20 issues disappeared. their manual is hard to understand, but user groups have spawned as a =20= result. one confusing thing is the way behringer and people talk about =20 SWITCHES and BUTTONS. - this i how i think of it: each patch (a patch being all the =20 messages contained in a single button press) is made up of activated =20 switches - the possible switches in a patch are: 1 midi note, 5 program =20 changes, 2 controller changes, 2 expression - so, in other words, you can send, all at once, in a single press of =20= a button: 1 midi note + 5 program changes + 2 controller changes + =20 whatever each expression pedal is set to (i don't use the pedals) - each of those switches can send midi messages on a different =20 channel, so you can talk to a bunch of devices simultaneously - and if you have, what is it, 10 banks with 10 buttons each... then =20 that is er, 100 possible midi notes, 500 possible PC messages, etc... hope i didn't get anything wrong there... so some limitations are: - since there is only 1 midi note switch, that means you can send =20 notes to only one device. - with 2 CC switches, you can send to 2 different devices. -(well you can send wherever you like, but obvious chaos would result =20= if everything was on the same channel!) so if you have multiple devices to control and they ONLY respond to =20 midi note commands (?), then you're out of luck (UNLESS one of those =20 devices is on a computer...because you could use a conversion app =20 like midipipe to change PC message on a channel to note messages). =20 but i don't have devices like that. i talk to my electrix repeaters with PC and CC messages and the =20 computer with Notes. is that too much information??? -zoe On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:34 PM, James Richmond wrote: > Wow... > > I go out for a couple of hours and get a shedload of replies. > Thanks ppl. > >> Behringer FCB1010 - $150 >> - Cheap, reasonably flexible, but large. 10 functions per bank. >> Silent switches. > > I had a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 =20 > programmable switches that I could assign midi note numbers to it =20 > and the rest of the switches selected patch numbers. > Is it more flexible than this? > I can live without power over midi as it has an integrated =20 > powersupply. > I usually avoid Behringer due to build quality issues- how do ppl =20 > find this? > >> >> Digital Music Ground Control Pro - $400 >> - Compact, rugged, expensive. Noisy switches. More powerful than >> the FCB in some ways, less in others. 8 or 12 functions per >> bank depending on how you configure it. > > I have the original Ground Control and it is frustrating as hell as =20= > I can assign controller numbers to each of the top line of pedals =20 > BUT because they are controller numbers that you cannot specify a =20 > value for the ECHO PRO doesn't quite understand what is going on. > For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which makes =20 > seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press =20 > though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 value. > > I thought of getting the DL4 pedal version but it only has 14 secs =20 > of memory and shares a button for 1/2 speed and reverse, which is =20 > where I do most of my work with it. > > I also have an ADA midi pedal but that is the one where I have to =20 > bank up and down to get to different functions. > All I want is 6 configurable buttons. > Maybe an EDP is the way to go instead? > > The search continues. > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond --=20 Zo=EB Keating Avant Cellist & Composer Contact info: Telephone: 707.827.3217 Mobile: 415.867.5292 cello@zoekeating.com http://www.zoekeating.com http://www.myspace.com/zoecello Snail Mail: Zo=EB Keating PO Box 175 Camp Meeker, CA 95419, USA --Apple-Mail-1-1039881483 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 the FCB1010 has been a great = pedal for me.=A0
i've used one for almost 5 years, although i had to = replace it last year when i accidentally blew it up (european power + no = coffee that morning)
i had the occasional problem with junk = midi messages (i.e. messages being sent that are not programmed - i = caught these in my midi monitoring app). but after getting a new eprom = from behringer, those issues disappeared.

their manual is hard to = understand, but user groups have spawned as a result.
one = confusing thing is the way behringer and people talk about SWITCHES and = BUTTONS.

- = this i how i think of it: each patch (a patch being all the messages = contained in a single button press) is made up of activated = switches
- the possible switches in a patch are: 1 midi note, = 5 program changes, 2 controller changes, 2 expression
- so, in = other words, you can send, all at once, in a single press of a button: 1 = midi note + 5 program changes + 2 controller changes + whatever each = expression pedal is set to (i don't use the pedals)
- each of = those switches can send midi messages on a different channel, so you can = talk to a bunch of devices simultaneously
- and if you have, = what is it, 10 banks with 10 buttons each... then that is er, 100 = possible midi notes, 500 possible PC messages, etc...

hope i didn't get anything = wrong there...

so some limitations = are:=A0
- since there is only 1 midi note switch, that means = you can send notes to only one device.
- with 2 CC switches, = you can send to 2 different devices.
-(well you can send = wherever you like, but obvious chaos would result if everything was on = the same channel!)

so if you have multiple = devices to control and they ONLY respond to midi note commands (?), then = you're out of luck (UNLESS one of those devices is on a = computer...because you could use a conversion app like midipipe to = change PC message on a channel to note messages). but i don't have = devices like that.

i talk to my electrix = repeaters with PC and CC messages and the computer with = Notes.

is = that too much information???

-zoe




On Sep 14, = 2007, at 12:34 PM, James Richmond wrote:

Wow...

I go out for a couple of = hours and get a shedload of replies.
Thanks = ppl.

Behringer FCB1010 - = $150
=A0 - Cheap, reasonably flexible, = but large.=A0 10 functions = per bank.
=A0 =A0 Silent switches. =A0
=

I had = a look at the manual- I thought there were only 2 programmable switches = that I could assign midi note numbers to it and the rest of the switches = selected patch numbers.
Is it more flexible than = this?
I can live without power over midi as it has an = integrated powersupply.
I usually avoid Behringer due to build = quality issues- how do ppl find this?


Digital Music Ground Control Pro - = $400
=A0 - Compact, rugged, = expensive.=A0 Noisy = switches.=A0 More powerful = than
=A0 =A0 the FCB in some ways, = less in others.=A0 8 or 12 = functions per
=A0 =A0 bank depending on how you = configure it.

I have the original Ground = Control and it is frustrating as hell as I can assign controller numbers = to each of the top line of pedals BUT because they are controller = numbers that you cannot specify a value for the ECHO PRO doesn't quite = understand what is going on.
For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to = press the button twice, which makes seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and = 1/2 speed are a single press though because they do not respond = differently to a 0 or 127 value.

I thought of getting the = DL4 pedal version but it only has 14 secs of memory and shares a button = for 1/2 speed and reverse, which is where I do most of my work with = it.

I also have an ADA midi pedal but that is the = one where I have to bank up and down to get to different = functions.
All I want is 6 configurable = buttons.
Maybe an EDP is the way to go instead?

The search = continues.

Regards,=A0

Jim = Richmond





=

= --Apple-Mail-1-1039881483-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:08:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA1833BF71; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:08:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70A.ED992172" x-cr-puzzleid: {1060D3BB-787F-441F-9256-B4F3C6325A49} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: A4/4 A7oF BQVg Ba8X CSU5 CgQO EAzG EUdI Eg5w F98e G3t7 HQas HQn1 IvEQ I/QN JIb+;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{1060D3BB-787F-441F-9256-B4F3C6325A49};ZABhAHYAZQBAAGwAaQBuAGsAaQBmAHkALgBjAG8AbQA=;Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:07:44 GMT;UgBFADoAIABNAG8AcwB0ACAAcAByAG8AZwByAGEAbQBtAGEAYgBsAGUAIABtAGkAZABpACAAZgBvAG8AdAAgAGMAbwBuAHQAcgBvAGwAbABlAHIA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:07:44 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E78@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD6A@keel.sailpoint.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf24c5ohDCCMzkYSDuMF34uK0DEeQACF64QAAU0QNAAARMFgAAAeCug References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E45@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD6A@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 20:08:12.0298 (UTC) FILETIME=[FA36D6A0:01C7F70A] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19f4e6I80Hz5z6vKrT2ksajdcrW7ncKapl1EnF 15EvaduxOlnrq6i0So4zJeaxhREnZ+To0CD2kMg+9AVqYVgXJ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74502 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:08:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70A.ED992172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 My need is to "reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as (I) perform". = I use Ableton Live as the patch librarian (and executor, and legal = counsel). =20 I've now got a workaround that meets my need - e.g., having a few = different controls available on many different tracks in Ableton Live = while performing. Here's an example of what it can do: =20 =B7 Assume you're playing/recording on Track 1,=20 o 4 or 5 of the 13 available pedals do things at the "track-level" to = help control the Ableton track behavior. o But, you'd like to jump onto another track (or perhaps 2 or 5 or 10 = in succession) and have the same pedal controls on each of them o Clearly, you can't support that with 13 pedals. You run out of = pedals pretty fast. =B7 My setup allows me to step on the "Next" pedal with a single = click, and Ableton then automagically... o Disarms Track 1 o Arms Track 2 o Now "hears" the track-level foot controller commands on the new = track o (in my case, it switches from a pair of tracks - one for audio & = one for midi - to the next pair of tracks) =20 =20 If anyone is interested, here's a synopsis of the workaround. =20 =B7 Foot controller sends controller messages, which I convert = to note messages using MIDI-OX, on the way to Ableton Live. =B7 I map track controls in Ableton... o ...to the foot controller "notes" (e.g., "D" is "Arm", "E" is = "Launch" etc) o ...where each track has it's own octave - e.g., D-2 (two octaves = down from middle D) is track 1, D-1 is track 2, etc. =B7 I've set up a track in Ableton that has a set of MIDI Pitch = Shifters o All are set to +12 - e.g., go up an octave o All have their "Device On" mapped to a MIDI note (e.g., A#), each = in a given octave =B7 Set up 2 clips in Ableton, one as "Next", one as "Back", = which "play" the note - A# - to trigger the Device On of the Pitch = Shifter =B7 Two pedals on my foot controller are programmed with = Controllers to trigger the Next & Back clips =B7 Then, for instance, if I'm recording on Track 1, and I step = on the "Next" pedal, it: o Disarms Track 1 (e.g., the Next clip plays the D-2 note, which = toggles "arm") o Triggers the "Next" clip to turn on a +12 pitch shift (e.g., the = clip plays A#-2) o Arms Track 2 (e.g., plays D-2 note, which is now transposed to D-1, = to toggle "arm" on the new track) o And, when subsequent track-level pedals are clicked - e.g., Launch, = monitor, etc. - they are transposed up an octave to the current Track. =A7 E.g., the Foot Controller says D-2, but this MIDI note command is = routed through a pitch shift and becomes D-1, which Track 2 can "hear". =A7 So, this is using the fact that MIDI notes can be transformed by = MIDI effects, and that there are a lot of octaves, to enable "patch = changing" on the fly. This is better than using different patches in MIDI-OX (which also = works) because it's more flexible, can change more on the fly and = doesn't require loading a a new set of patches to MIDI-OX every time I = tweak the setup. But, a patch changeable programmable foot controller = might also be a good approach, with a lot less of the MIDI spaghetti = required to get the above scenario working. =20 If there's more interest, I can put a diagram up on a webpage somewhere. =20 dh =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:25 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller =20 =20 > Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable patches? =20 The FCB and GCP support sysex messages to completely change patches. I don't know if you can send them something that will make them change banks though. Out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish? Are you interested in making a patch librarian, or do you want to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as you perform. =20 Jeff =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70A.ED992172 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

My need is to "reconfigure the footswitch = in real-time as (I) perform".=A0 I use Ableton Live as the patch = librarian (and executor, and legal counsel).

 

I've now got a workaround that meets my need - = e.g., having a few different controls available on many different tracks in Ableton = Live while performing.=A0 Here’s an example of what it can = do:

 

=B7         Assume you’re playing/recording on = Track 1,

o    4 or 5 of the 13 available pedals do = things at the “track-level” to help control the Ableton track = behavior.

o    But, you’d like to jump onto = another track (or perhaps 2 or 5 or 10 in succession) and have the same pedal controls = on each of them

o    Clearly, you can’t support that = with 13 pedals.=A0 You run out of pedals pretty fast.

=B7         My setup allows me to step on the = “Next” pedal with a single click, and Ableton then automagically…

o    Disarms Track 1

o    Arms Track 2

o    Now “hears” the track-level = foot controller commands on the new track

o    (in my case, it switches from a pair of = tracks - one for audio & one for midi – to the next pair of = tracks)

 

 

If anyone is interested, here's a synopsis of = the workaround.

 

=B7         Foot controller sends controller = messages, which I convert to note messages using MIDI-OX, on the way to Ableton = Live.

=B7         I map track controls in = Ableton…

o    …to the foot controller = “notes” (e.g., “D” is “Arm”, “E” is = “Launch” etc)

o    …where each track has it’s = own octave – e.g., D-2 (two octaves down from middle D) is track 1, D-1 is = track 2, etc.

=B7         I’ve set up a track in Ableton that = has a set of MIDI Pitch Shifters

o    All are set to +12 – e.g., go up an = octave

o    All have their “Device On” = mapped to a MIDI note (e.g., A#), each in a given octave

=B7         Set up 2 clips in Ableton, one as = “Next”, one as “Back”, which “play” the note – A# = - to trigger the Device On of the Pitch Shifter

=B7         Two pedals on my foot controller are = programmed with Controllers to trigger the Next & Back clips

=B7         Then, for instance, if I’m = recording on Track 1, and I step on the “Next” pedal, it:

o    Disarms Track 1 (e.g., the Next clip = plays the D-2 note, which toggles “arm”)

o    Triggers the “Next” clip to = turn on a +12 pitch shift (e.g., the clip plays A#-2)

o    Arms Track 2 (e.g., plays D-2 note, which = is now transposed to D-1, to toggle “arm” on the new track)

o    And, when subsequent track-level pedals = are clicked – e.g., Launch, monitor, etc. – they are transposed = up an octave to the current Track.

=A7  E.g., the Foot Controller says D-2, but this MIDI note command is routed = through a pitch shift and becomes D-1, which Track 2 can “hear”.

=A7  So, this is using the fact that MIDI notes can be transformed by MIDI = effects, and that there are a lot of octaves, to enable “patch changing” = on the fly.

This is better than using different patches in = MIDI-OX (which also works) because it’s more flexible, can change more on = the fly and doesn’t require loading a a new set of patches to MIDI-OX = every time I tweak the setup.=A0 But, a patch changeable programmable foot = controller might also be a good approach, with a lot less of the MIDI spaghetti required = to get the above scenario working.

 

If there’s more interest, I can put a = diagram up on a webpage somewhere.

 

dh



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller

 

 

> Do any of these controllers have remotely = changeable patches?

=A0

The FCB and GCP support sysex messages to = completely change patches.

I don't know if you can send them something that = will make them change

banks though.=A0 Out of curiosity, what are you = trying to accomplish?

Are you interested in making a patch librarian, = or do you want

to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as = you perform.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =

Jeff

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70A.ED992172-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:11:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBF303BFCC; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:11:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD8D@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD8D@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-1040097180 Message-Id: <0B6463BD-F394-4210-9654-81C8057A4EE6@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:11:34 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74503 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:11:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-1040097180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which makes >> seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press >> though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 value. > > It sounds like your current switch is operating in "toggle" mode, it > sends CC 127 when you press it once and CC 0 when you press it again. > You usually want switches that can operate in "momentary" mode > where it > sends Note On/CC 127 when you press it and Note Off/CC 0 > when you release it. The FCB and GCP can both do this. > > Jeff Jeff, I just had another look at the Ground Control- there is no way to change it to momentary mode. I can set it to 'invert' but that just reverses the value- which isn't much good to me. Thanks for the help, Jim --Apple-Mail-1-1040097180 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which = makes

seemless = looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press

though because they do not = respond differently to a 0 or 127 value.


It sounds like your current switch is operating in "toggle" = mode, it

sends CC = 127 when you press it once and CC 0 when you press it again.

=

You usually want switches = that can operate in "momentary" mode where it

sends Note On/CC 127 when = you press it and Note Off/CC 0

when you release it.=A0 The FCB and GCP can both do = this.


Jeff


Jeff,

I just = had another look at the Ground Control- there is no way to change it = to=A0momentary mode.
I can set it to 'invert' but that just = reverses the value- which isn't much good to me.

Thanks for the = help,=A0

Jim
= --Apple-Mail-1-1040097180-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:15:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B9FD3BFD6; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:15:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=e+Flz7uxEQMoxX8JoxaxrCCfrCNlR8cU7P/ft7hchWA=; b=DOQkUgd7bj56NFwM1oQBqIXtK+73md3+emVJEb4W8cTkZvivngGPLITbM+0zNjW1dg5len+e6rO+Dr1dP8JzumO/xAzpyq6RbtPlAHLN3qG5HF/AbQMMqRsW0LI3NpuhfbUYXSC8jWdnKcsUR+diR3i6Yf4UlvaY/88ZSxYiHK4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=MrnM36+nG+CGLYDeDkEcERnJPQbiz0/4MDdNRC4onqB7BEAqjmjcJ8mGi+Kz1rPsN6nc064q3BviSU0+dx7uIX8Z959HCbOhmqAtKs9vnqLlbw9uCOF1VqWsdlXJ7//HtninSBMbjPJjXdTjD/PA3JlHsPCG9KB6Jg+JRR97G/w= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:15:43 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD4F@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3014_27305005.1189800943107" References: <200709141523.l8EFN4YF025878@minds-eye.org> <20070914105216.wdnj6gqnms0gs8k0@69.89.21.76> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD03@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914130647.urdpvq4eocogkw80@69.89.21.76> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD4F@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74504 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:15:45 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3014_27305005.1189800943107 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have mine mounted to a mic stand using the built-in threaded hole on the bottom. Works great. I'll let you know when I break it :) On 9/14/07, Jeff Larson wrote: > > > > Does this controller mount on a stand of some kind? I need to operate > > > it while standing. Does it mount on a mic stand or do I need some > > kind of special stand for it? > > There is a hole in the bottom that looks like it is threaded for a > standard male mic stand screw/plug. I've never tried this but I would > be a little concerned about stability. The unit is all plastic and > since you tend to bang on these with vigor a little table might be > better than a mic stand. > > Jeff > > ------=_Part_3014_27305005.1189800943107 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I have mine mounted to a mic stand using the built-in threaded hole on the bottom.

Works great.  I'll let you know when I break it :)

On 9/14/07, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:

> Does this controller mount on a stand of some kind?  I need to operate

> it while standing.  Does it mount on a mic stand or do I need some
> kind of special stand for it?

There is a hole in the bottom that looks like it is threaded for a
standard male mic stand screw/plug.  I've never tried this but I would
be a little concerned about stability.  The unit is all plastic and
since you tend to bang on these with vigor a little table might be
better than a mic stand.

Jeff


------=_Part_3014_27305005.1189800943107-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:16:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1CACC3BFE1; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:16:32 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD92@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf3BkMJ91cPDQLmTriGzdjOONPSegABciHw References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: <2VpfDB.A.xyG.Uwu6GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74505 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:16:21 +0000 (UTC) I took a quick glance at the Echo Pro MIDI implementation, and it looks like you can do what you want with only program changes. Appendix A page 2 shows programs 101 through 109 will control Record, Stop, Play, Overdub, Reverse, and 1/2 speed in various combinations. =20 If this is all you need then the simpler footswitches like the MIDI Moose may work for you provided that you can make it send specific program changes on the switches rather than having to=20 scroll up and down until you reach them. =20 Appendix A page 3 shows that you can also control the functions with control changes, but you need a switch that can send a CC when the switch goes down but NOT when it goes up,=20 as many momentary switches do. I think the FCB can do this. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:18:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 626543BFE7; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:18:44 +0000 Message-Id: <091420072018.23520.46EAECA20003FEA700005BE02215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74506 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Have you considered using the Mackie Control emulation? People rave about this. I have not had the time to try it. It seems like you could streamline your pedalboard. MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "David Huffman" > > > My need is to "reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as (I) perform". I use > Ableton Live as the patch librarian (and executor, and legal counsel). > > > > I've now got a workaround that meets my need - e.g., having a few different > controls available on many different tracks in Ableton Live while performing. > Here's an example of what it can do: > > > > · Assume you're playing/recording on Track 1, > > > > o 4 or 5 of the 13 available pedals do things at the "track-level" to help > control the Ableton track behavior. > > > > o But, you'd like to jump onto another track (or perhaps 2 or 5 or 10 in > succession) and have the same pedal controls on each of them > > > > o Clearly, you can't support that with 13 pedals. You run out of pedals > pretty fast. > > > > · My setup allows me to step on the "Next" pedal with a single click, > and Ableton then automagically... > > > > o Disarms Track 1 > > > > o Arms Track 2 > > > > o Now "hears" the track-level foot controller commands on the new track > > > > o (in my case, it switches from a pair of tracks - one for audio & one for > midi - to the next pair of tracks) > > > > > > If anyone is interested, here's a synopsis of the workaround. > > > > · Foot controller sends controller messages, which I convert to note > messages using MIDI-OX, on the way to Ableton Live. > > > > · I map track controls in Ableton... > > > > o ...to the foot controller "notes" (e.g., "D" is "Arm", "E" is "Launch" etc) > > > > o ...where each track has it's own octave - e.g., D-2 (two octaves down from > middle D) is track 1, D-1 is track 2, etc. > > > > · I've set up a track in Ableton that has a set of MIDI Pitch Shifters > > > > o All are set to +12 - e.g., go up an octave > > > > o All have their "Device On" mapped to a MIDI note (e.g., A#), each in a > given octave > > > > · Set up 2 clips in Ableton, one as "Next", one as "Back", which "play" > the note - A# - to trigger the Device On of the Pitch Shifter > > > > · Two pedals on my foot controller are programmed with Controllers to > trigger the Next & Back clips > > > > · Then, for instance, if I'm recording on Track 1, and I step on the > "Next" pedal, it: > > > > o Disarms Track 1 (e.g., the Next clip plays the D-2 note, which toggles > "arm") > > > > o Triggers the "Next" clip to turn on a +12 pitch shift (e.g., the clip plays > A#-2) > > > > o Arms Track 2 (e.g., plays D-2 note, which is now transposed to D-1, to > toggle "arm" on the new track) > > > > o And, when subsequent track-level pedals are clicked - e.g., Launch, > monitor, etc. - they are transposed up an octave to the current Track. > > > > § E.g., the Foot Controller says D-2, but this MIDI note command is routed > through a pitch shift and becomes D-1, which Track 2 can "hear". > > > > § So, this is using the fact that MIDI notes can be transformed by MIDI > effects, and that there are a lot of octaves, to enable "patch changing" on the > fly. > > > > This is better than using different patches in MIDI-OX (which also works) > because it's more flexible, can change more on the fly and doesn't require > loading a a new set of patches to MIDI-OX every time I tweak the setup. But, a > patch changeable programmable foot controller might also be a good approach, > with a lot less of the MIDI spaghetti required to get the above scenario > working. > > > > If there's more interest, I can put a diagram up on a webpage somewhere. > > > > dh > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller > > > > > > > Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable patches? > > > > The FCB and GCP support sysex messages to completely change patches. > > I don't know if you can send them something that will make them change > > banks though. Out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish? > > Are you interested in making a patch librarian, or do you want > > to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as you perform. > > > > Jeff > > > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "David Huffman" To: Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:08:18 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

My need is to "reconfigure the footswitch = in real-time as (I) perform".=A0 I use Ableton Live as the patch = librarian (and executor, and legal counsel).

 

I've now got a workaround that meets my need - = e.g., having a few different controls available on many different tracks in Ableton = Live while performing.=A0 Here’s an example of what it can = do:

 

=B7         Assume you’re playing/recording on = Track 1,

o    4 or 5 of the 13 available pedals do = things at the “track-level” to help control the Ableton track = behavior.

o    But, you’d like to jump onto = another track (or perhaps 2 or 5 or 10 in succession) and have the same pedal controls = on each of them

o    Clearly, you can’t support that = with 13 pedals.=A0 You run out of pedals pretty fast.

=B7         My setup allows me to step on the = “Next” pedal with a single click, and Ableton then automagically…

o    Disarms Track 1

o    Arms Track 2

o    Now “hears” the track-level = foot controller commands on the new track

o    (in my case, it switches from a pair of = tracks - one for audio & one for midi – to the next pair of = tracks)

 

 

If anyone is interested, here's a synopsis of = the workaround.

 

=B7         Foot controller sends controller = messages, which I convert to note messages using MIDI-OX, on the way to Ableton = Live.

=B7         I map track controls in = Ableton…

o    …to the foot controller = “notes” (e.g., “D” is “Arm”, “E” is = “Launch” etc)

o    …where each track has it’s = own octave – e.g., D-2 (two octaves down from middle D) is track 1, D-1 is = track 2, etc.

=B7         I’ve set up a track in Ableton that = has a set of MIDI Pitch Shifters

o    All are set to +12 – e.g., go up an = octave

o    All have their “Device On” = mapped to a MIDI note (e.g., A#), each in a given octave

=B7         Set up 2 clips in Ableton, one as = “Next”, one as “Back”, which “play” the note – A# = - to trigger the Device On of the Pitch Shifter

=B7         Two pedals on my foot controller are = programmed with Controllers to trigger the Next & Back clips

=B7         Then, for instance, if I’m = recording on Track 1, and I step on the “Next” pedal, it:

o    Disarms Track 1 (e.g., the Next clip = plays the D-2 note, which toggles “arm”)

o    Triggers the “Next” clip to = turn on a +12 pitch shift (e.g., the clip plays A#-2)

o    Arms Track 2 (e.g., plays D-2 note, which = is now transposed to D-1, to toggle “arm” on the new track)

o    And, when subsequent track-level pedals = are clicked – e.g., Launch, monitor, etc. – they are transposed = up an octave to the current Track.

=A7  E.g., the Foot Controller says D-2, but this MIDI note command is routed = through a pitch shift and becomes D-1, which Track 2 can “hear”.

=A7  So, this is using the fact that MIDI notes can be transformed by MIDI = effects, and that there are a lot of octaves, to enable “patch changing” = on the fly.

This is better than using different patches in = MIDI-OX (which also works) because it’s more flexible, can change more on = the fly and doesn’t require loading a a new set of patches to MIDI-OX = every time I tweak the setup.=A0 But, a patch changeable programmable foot = controller might also be a good approach, with a lot less of the MIDI spaghetti required = to get the above scenario working.

 

If there’s more interest, I can put a = diagram up on a webpage somewhere.

 

dh



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:25 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller

 

 

> Do any of these controllers have remotely = changeable patches?

=A0

The FCB and GCP support sysex messages to = completely change patches.

I don't know if you can send them something that = will make them change

banks though.=A0 Out of curiosity, what are you = trying to accomplish?

Are you interested in making a patch librarian, = or do you want

to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as = you perform.

=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =

Jeff

 

--NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_23520_1189801124_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:19:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 81B683BFE5; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CUiYkQAbgKxYMvkncoyJbmDqcZ8YszLcvfcfJzTUtpQ=; b=M+KxIsfycxdF/NcvfapvwGLZnMuWFVGA4G9OPC1oceCRDPvLivUtprO+KM1+tgp5jttd6a6w9jsBinEDBHkZKq71gq1x0ot7LGW1biwJapAWthC1/9LpYAgqNx98ou5kRkzMLNIJFh83DWeDiGjcujl3HriwSMjCKFKdygnHSA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IWTt8C92WAySm24CAbhlw/8RWxD+jEZVSNOtdZ8i9vLLj9e0aHkthAB/uz+CB8etBEWSc7F2LCd9RhPwcS9LASkKbKFq0erKodrKa+BpgDOmGCtTtCBWePuWFjz7ZaS1s/SpkiSsrek8/3knI3ehcM55AZIplD0XJH4JyeRBf2w= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:19:37 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD92@keel.sailpoint.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2479_22825856.1189801177467" References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD92@keel.sailpoint.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74507 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:39 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_2479_22825856.1189801177467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds some features (like Stompbox mode) http://www.ossandust.be/ -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_2479_22825856.1189801177467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds some features (like Stompbox mode)

http://www.ossandust.be/


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Tony ------=_Part_2479_22825856.1189801177467-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:19:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A09963BFF2; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70C.7556097A" Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:18:43 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E7D@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <0B6463BD-F394-4210-9654-81C8057A4EE6@jamesrichmond.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf3C3cUZdcArgybREelpQ+mo1wjKgAAIAhw References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD8D@keel.sailpoint.com> <0B6463BD-F394-4210-9654-81C8057A4EE6@jamesrichmond.com> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 20:19:27.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CA6AC30:01C7F70C] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/uIrJMxclsNcTYZ2zmHPQy4RPwSJq2+GG8RaW Izk1pW9lweRCAsG6RHkuEeJRii773wngeyrEIVkJI+wA1lZSs Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74508 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:57 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70C.7556097A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You could use MIDI OX to convert toggle ("latch") to momentary, for those particular messages. =20 e.g., have OX always convert any value from that converter to a 127. =20 dh =20 From: James Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:12 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller =20 For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which makes seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single press though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 value. =20 It sounds like your current switch is operating in "toggle" mode, it sends CC 127 when you press it once and CC 0 when you press it again. You usually want switches that can operate in "momentary" mode where it sends Note On/CC 127 when you press it and Note Off/CC 0 when you release it. The FCB and GCP can both do this. =20 Jeff =20 Jeff, =20 I just had another look at the Ground Control- there is no way to change it to momentary mode. I can set it to 'invert' but that just reverses the value- which isn't much good to me. =20 Thanks for the help,=20 =20 Jim ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70C.7556097A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You could use MIDI OX to convert toggle = (“latch”) to momentary, for those particular messages.

 

e.g., have OX always convert any value from that = converter to a 127.

 

dh

 

From:= James = Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com]
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:12 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot = controller

 

For Rec/Play/Overdub I have to press the button twice, which = makes

seemless looping a big PITA. Rev and 1/2 speed are a single = press

though because they do not respond differently to a 0 or 127 = value.

 = ;

It sounds like your current switch = is operating in "toggle" mode, it

sends CC 127 when you press it = once and CC 0 when you press it again.

You usually want switches that can operate in "momentary" mode where it

sends Note On/CC 127 when you = press it and Note Off/CC 0

when you release it.  The FCB and GCP can both do = this.

 = ;

Jeff

 

Jeff,

 

I just had another look at the Ground Control- = there is no way to change it to momentary mode.

I can set it to 'invert' but that just reverses the = value- which isn't much good to me.

 

Thanks for the help, 

 

Jim

------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F70C.7556097A-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:22:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 69E463BEEC; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:22:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:23:05 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD93@keel.sailpoint.com> In-Reply-To: <0B6463BD-F394-4210-9654-81C8057A4EE6@jamesrichmond.com> Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf3C3ZBIJFZWF9jSsSCErap9+QZPAAALftQ References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD8D@keel.sailpoint.com> <0B6463BD-F394-4210-9654-81C8057A4EE6@jamesrichmond.com> From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74509 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:22:55 +0000 (UTC) > I just had another look at the Ground Control- there is no way to > change it to momentary mode. I can set it to 'invert' but that just > reverses the value- which isn't much good to me. =20 There are two Ground Controls, the old one that is relatively simple and not many people use and the "Pro" which is what is on the market now. The Pro can be configured for 4, 8 or 12 momentary switches. =20 =20 I have one of these too (yes, I seem to collect footswitches). =20 When I was using it I had the top two rows configured for 8 momentary switches and the bottom row for 4 program changes. =20 Aside from the noise the main thing I didn't like about the GCP is that the momentary switches (or what it calls instant access switches) are global, you can't have different CC assignments in different banks like you can on the FCB. So you have at most 12 momentary switch possibilities on the GCP compared to 100 on the FCB. =20 Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:26:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2EFAC3BF60; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rpSGbMdz5dkX9dFXBNR6k5d+xQb1HWIRoj6TRrklzCg=; b=GAJDGEXKDOb4i7Uj7cri4BgJDg0X8IEeO9QmAb+JdEvcP0Vsnkbv1TixlVs04PqyWqJgTMatpit/GP+Nh8qv0gzxRAbDVrIoAjLWpwFRL6FyuBx6AHgc2yrU8iM8OHls7W+asM9WL6B75RJeSFY2ZhtCrBgrE3jC3wyiD033RwA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tdatK13L0ScmKjv5SJAjNvNO144BbPpZ7WimPLTjrk+cr3NwlVCHYltXBMCWYCySDtnJgKpBeEwlR4lJKPeFRZL3Hpr5Jzz1UHpY6pUa2BcOJwLmunwYgHPwhg+kgI1pcqnxXY7DDG92Bcep/Ddj9WTBTrgEEWjo+EZYQ/p16d0= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709141325p79090a32we77d0694c3a4f4b6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:25:56 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: house concert Saturday night, Raleigh NC In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4509_5029558.1189801556775" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74510 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:25:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4509_5029558.1189801556775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Steve I've performed in about a half dozen house concerts as a solo artist in the last few years. House concerts in this country in the true sense still seem to me to be folk and/or singer-songwriter based and my successes getting in as an all instrumental musician have been a hard sell. I've losely thought about pitching the duo I founded with Daryl [Shawn], Chinapainting into the house arena but have yet to as it seems too much saddly outside the trad arena. Seeing a house promo on this list caught my eye as I would think it a rare thing in this community but certainly a welcome as the house 'stage' is such a wonderful place to be. Re your hosting is this new, do you also perform in house shows, are they big down in the Carolina's - any particular ones I might pitch to in the future? Curious about Cakes of Light as I live in Brooklyn. Best with all and good weekend, Jim Goodin www.chinapaintingmusic.com www.jimgoodinmusic.com On 9/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > This Saturday night I am hosting a house concert at badgerhaus in west > Raleigh... > ------=_Part_4509_5029558.1189801556775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Steve I've performed in about a half dozen house concerts as a solo artist in the last few years.  House concerts in this country in the true sense still seem to me to be folk and/or singer-songwriter based and my successes getting in as an all instrumental musician have been a hard sell.  I've losely thought about pitching the duo I founded with Daryl [Shawn], Chinapainting into the house arena but have yet to as it seems too much saddly outside the trad arena.
 
Seeing a house promo on this list caught my eye as I would think it a rare thing in this community but certainly a welcome as the house 'stage' is such a wonderful place to be.  Re your hosting is this new, do you also perform in house shows, are they big down in the Carolina's - any particular ones I might pitch to in the future?
 
Curious about Cakes of Light as I live in Brooklyn.
 
Best with all and good weekend,
 
Jim Goodin


 
On 9/14/07, burnett@pobox.com <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
This Saturday night I am hosting a house concert at badgerhaus in west Raleigh...
------=_Part_4509_5029558.1189801556775-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037F53BFB5; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B0E7F@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <091420072018.23520.46EAECA20003FEA700005BE02215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf3DHhtmjqw4YDURfuKl9FdgEOVKgAAOGCA References: <091420072018.23520.46EAECA20003FEA700005BE02215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Sep 2007 20:26:40.0462 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EBB3EE0:01C7F70D] X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.1.26 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74511 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Does that require the use of the hands? That's the other constraint I'm working with: trying to make it all foot = controllable. I'm pretty stoked now, though, with the current config: very flexible. dh -----Original Message----- From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net [mailto:midifriedchicken@comcast.net] = Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 1:19 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Have you considered using the Mackie Control emulation? People rave = about this. I have not had the time to try it. It seems like you could = streamline your pedalboard.=20 MFC -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "David Huffman" > =20 >=20 > My need is to "reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as (I)=20 > perform". I use Ableton Live as the patch librarian (and executor, = and legal counsel). >=20 > =20 >=20 > I've now got a workaround that meets my need - e.g., having a few=20 > different controls available on many different tracks in Ableton Live = while performing. > Here's an example of what it can do: >=20 > =20 >=20 > =B7 Assume you're playing/recording on Track 1,=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > o 4 or 5 of the 13 available pedals do things at the "track-level" = to help=20 > control the Ableton track behavior. >=20 >=20 >=20 > o But, you'd like to jump onto another track (or perhaps 2 or 5 or = 10 in=20 > succession) and have the same pedal controls on each of them >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Clearly, you can't support that with 13 pedals. You run out of = pedals=20 > pretty fast. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 My setup allows me to step on the "Next" pedal with a = single click,=20 > and Ableton then automagically... >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Disarms Track 1 >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Arms Track 2 >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Now "hears" the track-level foot controller commands on the new = track >=20 >=20 >=20 > o (in my case, it switches from a pair of tracks - one for audio & = one for=20 > midi - to the next pair of tracks) >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > If anyone is interested, here's a synopsis of the workaround. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =B7 Foot controller sends controller messages, which I convert = to note=20 > messages using MIDI-OX, on the way to Ableton Live. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 I map track controls in Ableton... >=20 >=20 >=20 > o ...to the foot controller "notes" (e.g., "D" is "Arm", "E" is = "Launch" etc) >=20 >=20 >=20 > o ...where each track has it's own octave - e.g., D-2 (two octaves = down from=20 > middle D) is track 1, D-1 is track 2, etc. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 I've set up a track in Ableton that has a set of MIDI = Pitch Shifters >=20 >=20 >=20 > o All are set to +12 - e.g., go up an octave >=20 >=20 >=20 > o All have their "Device On" mapped to a MIDI note (e.g., A#), each = in a=20 > given octave >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 Set up 2 clips in Ableton, one as "Next", one as "Back", = which "play"=20 > the note - A# - to trigger the Device On of the Pitch Shifter >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 Two pedals on my foot controller are programmed with = Controllers to=20 > trigger the Next & Back clips >=20 >=20 >=20 > =B7 Then, for instance, if I'm recording on Track 1, and I = step on the=20 > "Next" pedal, it: >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Disarms Track 1 (e.g., the Next clip plays the D-2 note, which = toggles=20 > "arm") >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Triggers the "Next" clip to turn on a +12 pitch shift (e.g., the = clip plays=20 > A#-2) >=20 >=20 >=20 > o Arms Track 2 (e.g., plays D-2 note, which is now transposed to = D-1, to=20 > toggle "arm" on the new track) >=20 >=20 >=20 > o And, when subsequent track-level pedals are clicked - e.g., = Launch,=20 > monitor, etc. - they are transposed up an octave to the current Track. >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A7 E.g., the Foot Controller says D-2, but this MIDI note command is = > routed through a pitch shift and becomes D-1, which Track 2 can = "hear". >=20 >=20 >=20 > =A7 So, this is using the fact that MIDI notes can be transformed by=20 > MIDI effects, and that there are a lot of octaves, to enable "patch=20 > changing" on the fly. >=20 >=20 >=20 > This is better than using different patches in MIDI-OX (which also=20 > works) because it's more flexible, can change more on the fly and=20 > doesn't require loading a a new set of patches to MIDI-OX every time I = > tweak the setup. But, a patch changeable programmable foot controller = > might also be a good approach, with a lot less of the MIDI spaghetti=20 > required to get the above scenario working. >=20 > =20 >=20 > If there's more interest, I can put a diagram up on a webpage = somewhere. >=20 > =20 >=20 > dh >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Larson [mailto:jeff.larson@sailpoint.com] > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:25 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > > Do any of these controllers have remotely changeable patches? >=20 > =20 >=20 > The FCB and GCP support sysex messages to completely change patches. >=20 > I don't know if you can send them something that will make them change >=20 > banks though. Out of curiosity, what are you trying to accomplish? >=20 > Are you interested in making a patch librarian, or do you want >=20 > to reconfigure the footswitch in real-time as you perform. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Jeff >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:31:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6B2BA3BFF5; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:31:02 +0000 Message-Id: <091420072031.18220.46EAEF86000D60BD0000472C2215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74512 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:31:04 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Wow. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Tony K" > The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds some > features (like Stompbox mode) > > http://www.ossandust.be/ > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:40 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds some features (like Stompbox mode)

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Tony --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_18220_1189801862_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 20:57:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 067F13BF34; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:57:20 EDT Subject: Re: Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1189803440" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74513 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:57:38 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1189803440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/14/2007 10:55:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: Of course it all depends on the genre and audience. To me, its all the same. In my electronica gig, I try to blur the lines between DJ and Performing Musician. The audience wants the music to sound good. Period. If I need to have several parts layed out to serve the music, so be it. I could, and have played everything live. Its a lot of work and the arrangments tend to resemble one another as a result. A lot of looping that I hear, is really more about the manipulation of sound then the actual playing of the instrument. The notes played on the guitar are really just a starting point. Delays, filters, and the looper itself are the stars of the show. So the natural extension of that is to use anything and everything at your disposal. The audience doesn't care. Maybe the calssic rock guitar player in the back of the room will sneer and dismiss me as being fake, but I couldn't give a shit about him. My audience is just trying to blow off some steam after a long week. The bass line I recorded on wednesday and added all sorts of clip envelopes will sound way better then the bass line I could play live. Melodies, solos, and other flavors are done live and are never the same. Plus with Lives Follow actions, you can have as much or as little randomness as you like. Whatever serves the music. Ego be damned. MFC I agree. Currently I am working on hitting a happy medium between what I call improv platforms or environments (prerecorded) and what is played live by myself and one other musician. We are seeking to achieve what we call "The Miles Effect". After all, Miles was the master of this approach. It's easy to go out make a bunch of noise, but problem is, that is not what people want to hear. Even the adventurous listeners get bored of the chaotic monotony after a short while. I too am a BIG fan of "follow actions". What I wish is that each scene launch control had programmable follow actions that could be over ridden by individual clip follow actions. Can you imagine this? As your scenes launched they would be activating all the unassigned (no follow actions) clips by scene, independent of the grouped clips responding to their typical programmed follow actions. This would allow you to program an exact (or random) start to finish song/rhythm structure completely independent of the clips with typical pre programmed follow actions within that structure. Now that would be cool! When it all comes down to the bottom line concerning prerecorded and live material, I want what I hear during the performance to please me. If it does, I know I am pleasing a majority of those listening. DrXPM ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1189803440 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In a message dated 9/14/2007 10:55:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,=20 midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:
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Of course it all depends on the genre and audience. To me, its all th= e=20 same. In my electronica gig, I try to blur the lines between DJ and Perfor= ming=20 Musician. The audience wants the music to sound good. Period. If I need to= =20 have several parts layed out to serve the music, so be it. I could, and ha= ve=20 played everything live. Its a lot of work and the arrangments tend to rese= mble=20 one another as a result. 
 
A lot of looping that I hear, is really more about the manipulation o= f=20 sound then the actual playing of the instrument. The notes played on the=20 guitar are really just a starting point. Delays, filters, and the looper=20 itself are the stars of the show.
 
So the natural extension of that is to use anything and everything at= =20 your disposal. The audience doesn't care. Maybe the calssic rock guitar pl= ayer=20 in the back of the room will sneer and dismiss me as being fake, but I=20 couldn't give a shit about him. My audience is just trying to blow off som= e=20 steam after a long week. The bass line I recorded on wednesday and added a= ll=20 sorts of clip envelopes will sound way better then the bass line I could p= lay=20 live. Melodies, solos, and other flavors are done live and are never the s= ame.=20 Plus with Lives Follow actions, you can have as much or as little randomne= ss=20 as you like.
 
Whatever serves the music. Ego be damned.
 
MFC
I agree. Currently I am working on hitting a happy medium between what=20= I=20 call improv platforms or environments (prerecorded) and what is played live=20= by=20 myself and one other musician. We are seeking to achieve what we call "The M= iles=20 Effect". After all, Miles was the master of this approach. It's easy to go o= ut=20 make a bunch of noise, but problem is, that is not what people want to hear.= =20 Even the adventurous listeners get bored of the chaotic monotony after a sho= rt=20 while. 
 
I too am a BIG fan of "follow actions". What I wish is that each scene=20 launch control had programmable follow actions that could be over ridde= n by=20 individual clip follow actions. Can you imagine this? As your scenes launche= d=20 they would be activating all the unassigned (no follow actions) clips b= y=20 scene, independent of the grouped clips responding to their typical=20 programmed follow actions. This would allow you to program an exact (or= =20 random) start to finish song/rhythm structure completely independent of= the=20 clips with typical pre programmed follow actions within that structure. = ;Now=20 that would be cool!
 
When it all comes down to the bottom line concerning prerecorded and li= ve=20 material, I want what I hear during the performance to please me. If it does= , I=20 know I am pleasing a majority of those listening.  
 
DrXPM



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-------------------------------1189803440-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 21:14:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4620D3BF7C; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xOdu47Si5R7k/QTMD42i10Jy3mnwv6CyS+fJeluFR8uFc63pWIb3MGfHwSeMPy9etCpWtg1c+2lCQzdaANVPnKC1HjIVfkPqSM3elxk7c/jWzjMxS55eU0id3o4Z/8eG8Kd6VfFBw0wsSNvlhxAStW1jH/qwWe4qUX36j7G0VI4=; X-YMail-OSG: f2QyQ2MVM1nOEVem8sSPVLBB8IoMy9LTuvA.A6NP7bMt88dz6MkfPwxv2JRMlDK0W5fFokE7qBtSrCOST9slfud2FhRKvw8zrvU97CCmdxQtUcHPXCvdPU_x2y6DMJYnPE07dPyY4BpYQ6nN901t4BCTjQ-- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT) From: David Bon Subject: Multiple Output Option?? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1984643446-1189804481=:26676" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <543719.26676.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74514 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:14:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-1984643446-1189804481=:26676 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm a newbie to this site so please excuse me if I'm asking anything already asked and answered in the past. I'm looking for either a module or software with appropriate interface that will permit me to loop multi-ins to respective multi-outs and LIVE. For example, electric guitar input signal routed to seperate output for guitar amp. Bass guitar input signal routed to seperate output for bass amp. Etc. I want to do this live and not have to route all output sound to the same amplifier. Is this even possible? Is this wishful thinking? Any help/advice/tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-1984643446-1189804481=:26676 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I'm a newbie to this site so please excuse me if I'm asking anything already asked and answered in the past.
 
I'm looking for either a module or software with appropriate interface that will permit me to loop multi-ins to respective multi-outs and LIVE. For example, electric guitar input signal routed to seperate output for guitar amp. Bass guitar input signal routed to seperate output for bass amp. Etc. I want to do this live and not have to route all output sound to the same amplifier. Is this even possible? Is this wishful thinking?
 
Any help/advice/tips would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks!

Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --0-1984643446-1189804481=:26676-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 21:38:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38B493BFC0; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=x65DFXIxkWqdt+t9Knef7yk/4hyGYtOnA721aZ4q6zc=; b=SbGcmf/iJXBC9SA/QoCuCpZmQpYdgsedUCB14ItsGH5rEgaXu67bW9fqeYjaAn36TMuXOfHNy8G+odzKUYi+dQZh8mWIp+8RfNCkj5VnqW07JnfGQpW3yAc/pdklu3MpuwHBO02UvldHk0mdBUTPvbi9Bx64gEx7SfG2v9g5PoM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iOI8aPtkAjvh1RREyUM6UOcvObEev8pbgbq6zzowwH/3Ud7Ww1bmYaWf5zaKKQF5OwIY7CpHGpou4fEBGAuqVlmCzw5dCfSQjJg2B9ALo/lakLXU8QfThq5+ScVFUuY7CcHYrEsU+7FzDhqAb25AAcBUfoA+7WS6AZLPtPawTag= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Prerecordedmaterial Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:38:15 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74515 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:38:23 +0000 (UTC) On 14 sep 2007, at 22.57, BreachinThePeace@aol.com wrote: > I too am a BIG fan of "follow actions". What I wish is that each > scene launch control had programmable follow actions that could be > over ridden by individual clip follow actions. Can you imagine > this? As your scenes launched they would be activating all the > unassigned (no follow actions) clips by scene, independent of the > grouped clips responding to their typical programmed follow > actions. This would allow you to program an exact (or random) start > to finish song/rhythm structure completely independent of the clips > with typical pre programmed follow actions within that structure. > Now that would be cool! If I'm not misunderstanding your intentions I think you can do that by using a track of follow action armored clips that send out MIDI events through an IAC Bus (that is if you use Mac. If using PC you should send them out a certain MIDI Yoke channel). Then assign certain clips on the Master Track to these MIDI events as they are coming in again through this particular IAC Bus. The functionality will be that these MIDI Clips with follow action scripts will, when trigged, launch a new scene. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 21:43:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A1AA3BF9B; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Y39s0j1vI7dSoMtly+aeycjijTgputOcMLPOJ6e4vIQ=; b=XhCB9K0elYZQbj640Z4hQy6QS+CBlMklI0fo9VQtetttNkfVnj/1luYTjttiwV612CQQW8EwNoArkitVHOrACBe7DHScW88d7Wk0jegPmPrIHImyynRsTL3Xf6zD1SXEiib5NSxDzLZHf03+JOvLMADjBSVBSJyvKV/trxMwwLk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=CfQVEZMVJKAHPf6sBeKamMzg63xdjsV5HF/nR4dOPximD0XSXtpofqDc044wgBocj5lsqiXjdC99p61Qs+bKgxusawGOiHl3VtzpkAseYkcYKUwT4dQSJdoB6qfFFfCjeQiOoA+7mxkL8Zw//r6rHanSr67vLb7Tn2FAZBgr6mw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <543719.26676.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <543719.26676.qm@web54601.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Multiple Output Option?? Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:43:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74516 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:43:54 +0000 (UTC) On 14 sep 2007, at 23.14, David Bon wrote: > I'm looking for either a module or software with appropriate > interface that will permit me to loop multi-ins to respective multi- > outs and LIVE. For example, electric guitar input signal routed to > seperate output for guitar amp. Bass guitar input signal routed to > seperate output for bass amp. Etc. I want to do this live and not > have to route all output sound to the same amplifier. Is this even > possible? In hardware I can think of the Electrix Repeater that can do this. Does the Looperlative support that? (Don't know, maybe someone else knows?) In software, using an appropriate multi channel audio interface, it's possible in Ableton Live (given you are comfortable with its limited looping capabilities) and it's possible in Mobius. There's also a software Virtual Repeater Pro being released in a near future and it should be able to do what you ask for. http://www.ableton.com/ http://www.zonemobius.com/ Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 21:47:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91EA53BF60; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:47:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=HmgYaG8540RFnejBHW4ls3Q74yvL6u5GHk4VH9IA8CI=; b=m38PDaReZxw40M2KGAQ20mpK9rXAikhW7odg0PE5J5kvE+4zUTRvc5IBSpABT9sIMoa2pAxjNg7+yf/z+El0dptZldm/bYxwPRbbkE7jjwJCkAZBC++FHVvEdP2SAptvtRjImQskwVt54xlCI8bVP6NDCy1+7AA+/sE+xgCnAO4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ks7KNiQpBb8G+8/rGBfy9DD4E6PwwRqq0HHZresErMmmCxL3rqvABC35svznJY4XmTBmuGOjl6Btns7Z/9wtPVRs0r4PiHe1GetxqJ+0C4u8b5i8bDwPtwHmhXntKIbV0JvPelKxrf8gq2VYIP5kkfI0Z3CGAVXXG0PtHD4zAKg= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:47:28 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: circus animals? (Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070914081935.04b01c88@mail.onemodelplace.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3257_11577766.1189806448375" References: <0cfd01c7f620$998a9110$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <567E6C81-6DF6-4904-A548-9AF976D0805E@gmail.com> <012501c7f62e$65909090$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> <20070913125450.07rroqa15ww04gcg@69.89.21.76> <5.2.1.1.0.20070914074159.00e1cac8@mail.onemodelplace.com> <0e5801c7f6e0$dce375b0$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <5.2.1.1.0.20070914081935.04b01c88@mail.onemodelplace.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74517 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:47:29 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3257_11577766.1189806448375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, that's it. I'm playing a pre-recorded sample of Jon Anderson's "Olias of Sunhillow" backwards at double speed for my set at Y2K7. :) ------=_Part_3257_11577766.1189806448375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline OK, that's it.

I'm playing a pre-recorded sample of Jon Anderson's "Olias of Sunhillow" backwards at double speed for my set at Y2K7. :)
------=_Part_3257_11577766.1189806448375-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 21:48:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A952B3BF83; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:43:52 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: house concert Saturday night, Raleigh NC In-Reply-To: <9e0440a60709141325p79090a32we77d0694c3a4f4b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <9e0440a60709141325p79090a32we77d0694c3a4f4b6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74518 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:48:50 +0000 (UTC) On Fri, 14 Sep 2007, Jim Goodin wrote: > Steve I've performed in about a half dozen house concerts as a solo artist > in the last few years. House concerts in this country in the true sense > still seem to me to be folk and/or singer-songwriter based and my successes > getting in as an all instrumental musician have been a hard sell. I've > losely thought about pitching the duo I founded with Daryl [Shawn], > Chinapainting into the house arena but have yet to as it seems too much > saddly outside the trad arena. > > Seeing a house promo on this list caught my eye as I would think it a rare > thing in this community but certainly a welcome as the house 'stage' is such > a wonderful place to be. Re your hosting is this new, do you also perform > in house shows, are they big down in the Carolina's - any particular ones I > might pitch to in the future? Jim: I've hosted house concerts several times over the last few years, the first time for a band that I opened for in another city that had the next night's gig fall through the night before. Since then, I have kept it up - if someone is coming through the area and contacts me looking for a place to play and the established commercial venues are unavailable, why not? Yes, I like house concerts: the space is generally intimate, and I have had some of the most attentive audiences of my life in such. You are right about the general trend of the house concert venues towards acoustic singer/songwriter folk/bluegrass/country/appalachia - a largish website for house concert networking contacted me a few months ago inviting me to join. I replied to politely decline, stating I had looked through the artists and the venues already present and that they were exclusively singer/songwriter folk/bluegrass/country/appalachia. He replied that he frequently receives correspondence from artists who contact him lamenting the lack of venues outside that range on his site. So, I added my location to his site. Since then I have received one query through his house concert networking setup: from a duo that described themselves as acoustic guitar (and I think banjo) folk/country/rockabilly. :). Perfectly nice stuff, but absolutely not what I defined on that site as what I was interested in. However, at least in my area there's me, there's the Philbog in Chapel Hill, and perhaps three or four other house concert locations that I routinely hear of shows at that attract experimental, improv, ambient, free jazz, or punk-oriented performances. While rare, they're out there, although rarely known outside of the immediate local scene, so "friendly native guide" is essential. I would say ask around with people you correspond with in geographic areas you'd be headed toward, you might be pleasantly surprised. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > Curious about Cakes of Light as I live in Brooklyn. > > Best with all and good weekend, > > Jim Goodin > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > www.jimgoodinmusic.com > > > > On 9/14/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: >> >> This Saturday night I am hosting a house concert at badgerhaus in west >> Raleigh... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:26:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE3B03BF34; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:26:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:26:44 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: jfloridis@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9C5357724F188_BCC_4EE5_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Message-Id: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.80 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74519 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:26:46 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C9C5357724F188_BCC_4EE5_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" There was mention of the "evil Behringer" earlier today.? I'm not up on this.? How are they considered evil doers? john ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9C5357724F188_BCC_4EE5_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" There was mention of the "evil Behringer" earlier today.  I'm not up on this.  How are they considered evil doers?

john
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail!
----------MB_8C9C5357724F188_BCC_4EE5_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:34:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B43093BFB7; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=tWb3XuN9WSleg86l1nA7JkhhrZH/190o+xrPTEj6vP0=; b=N+bhl8qjcDFKKvtlk0fvqvckSspKFeZjexB07BLN++t4mCog5BwThfgwNEatYE9Wlworo1P8TOFx0HUeJoKPVi4bJK3dQ2sK247N8WjR48VEVvSspYnTXB4RHSJAdbZVhUVkS90mN9a4G632Ot0yKCrcxAbBCRy3/xtYO7o2xzk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=E0FoYdGYSZOx/ZZaQNwBB549Hu1N9nk8v/xadl/E5/g8nfrSAuFttWEySnCsywsKzZBLAkpssxqFXaio/CWhXqvsoSuUjI3OFqAIQis+wW16tNMuqwgRc4WH51hrjm2n3FL0ozBaCrR6/hdLbf8e0LJFCP7wYitvdLhVXVlKQdE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:34:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74520 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:34:47 +0000 (UTC) On 15 sep 2007, at 00.26, jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > There was mention of the "evil Behringer" earlier today. I'm not > up on this. How are they considered evil doers? They have reverse engineered other company's products and built their own (crappier) versions with cheaper components to sell at a lower price. This is regarded "piggybacking" on someone else, having them pay for the product development. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:36:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 465CC3BF98; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:36:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-1048795189 Message-Id: <6191A718-756A-43CE-8B03-1AB90637B448@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:36:32 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74521 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:36:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-1048795189 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed do you know if they copied the FCB1010 from another product? On Sep 14, 2007, at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 15 sep 2007, at 00.26, jfloridis@aol.com wrote: > >> There was mention of the "evil Behringer" earlier today. I'm not =20 >> up on this. How are they considered evil doers? > > They have reverse engineered other company's products and built =20 > their own (crappier) versions with cheaper components to sell at a =20 > lower price. This is regarded "piggybacking" on someone else, =20 > having them pay for the product development. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > --=20 Zo=EB Keating Avant Cellist & Composer Contact info: Telephone: 707.827.3217 Mobile: 415.867.5292 cello@zoekeating.com http://www.zoekeating.com http://www.myspace.com/zoecello Snail Mail: Zo=EB Keating PO Box 175 Camp Meeker, CA 95419, USA --Apple-Mail-3-1048795189 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 do you know if they copied the = FCB1010 from another product?=A0=A0

On Sep 14, 2007, = at 3:34 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

On 15 sep 2007, at 00.26, jfloridis@aol.com wrote:

There was mention of the "evil = Behringer" earlier today.=A0 = I'm not up on this.=A0 = How are they considered evil doers?

They = have reverse engineered other company's products and built their own = (crappier) versions with cheaper components to sell at a lower price. = This is regarded "piggybacking" on someone else, having them pay for the = product development.
Greetings from Sweden

Per = Boysen
www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
www.looproom.com = (international)





--=A0
Zo=EB = Keating
Avant Cellist & = Composer

Contact info:

Telephone: = 707.827.3217
Mobile: 415.867.5292

http://www.myspace.com/zoecello




=

= --Apple-Mail-3-1048795189-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:41:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B9613BFBE; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=sRrcrK/Np1F9EOjvGX4Np//h0V6NHUeCpgKbm10/D3I=; b=FCy6wC8fIxXEg0MkmcF5HUSdegGxpXz7DuNHttzcU64QJ3Q/Wcu7Q79YmmhH0JN3UhIiu6lKGP9l57+zGyPxuo7KvKuDv+dMBIVwInrA6GcC5IfFlKc68oqOvyvPHEElg+MzgepdPvX+/IBKeeAGzJtFfAPwLZkvzk1l40D9N2I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Y9nnD+5kJrRoGLgqyHDzgCDZCjS6GObAW0I3XsLhP9LFheymZwVjbwioRXkMrkHJd6LdgqmAIVRRTdPsQ1X9vGi53dVXPIZqEw6WxPT8NkvxRqqHuxugv8/BZwi1abdPY/ib93iDQxPETapLWBHPQd8rsqly+Q1LkbYliSZsRNE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <6191A718-756A-43CE-8B03-1AB90637B448@zoekeating.com> References: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> <6191A718-756A-43CE-8B03-1AB90637B448@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BD74921-BE09-429E-AC36-D714B239FC42@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:41:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74522 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:41:42 +0000 (UTC) On 15 sep 2007, at 00.36, Zoe Keating wrote: > do you know if they copied the FCB1010 from another product? I don't think so. Maybe that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB worked for five years. I'm on my second now. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:43:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 861B03BFC6; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: evil doing behringer Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:43:20 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: jfloridis@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8C9C537C8AE8403_BCC_502B_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 30583 Message-Id: <8C9C537C8AE8403-BCC-27D8@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 64.12.136.80 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74523 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:43:38 +0000 (UTC) ----------MB_8C9C537C8AE8403_BCC_502B_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Ooookaaaayyyy then, Don't know how I missed that.? Always wondered how they were able to keep their prices so low.? Besides the FCB, I've also got a tiny, little mixer for sending my loop signal to a drummer for live shows.? Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably paid $35 or so tops. jf ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ----------MB_8C9C537C8AE8403_BCC_502B_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Ooookaaaayyyy then, Don't know how I missed that.  Always wondered how they were able to keep their prices so low.  Besides the FCB, I've also got a tiny, little mixer for sending my loop signal to a drummer for live shows.  Yeah, now that I think about it, I probably paid $35 or so tops.

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----------MB_8C9C537C8AE8403_BCC_502B_MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:49:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2083BFD2; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:49:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD36@keel.sailpoint.com> References: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFCFE@keel.sailpoint.com> <20070914122543.on5vhlsmfmss480w@www.wightman.ca> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD20@keel.sailpoint.com> <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C4DFD36@keel.sailpoint.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-1049535418 Message-Id: <28C22D20-3808-4321-975D-F2CADEA85A87@bartholomusic.com> From: Adrian Bartholomew Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:48:52 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Spam-Score: 4.547 (HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET,RCVD_IN_XBL) X-Spam-Level: !!!! Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74524 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:49:01 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2-1049535418 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed any power supply can be easily acquired through any of the huge electronic online stores like jameco etc. just meet the ampere, volts, AC or DC and polarity needs...and ur fixed. if u need regulated versions, they're available also. if u cant find it, ill build it and sell it to u myself:-) http://jameco.com ___ Adrian Bartholomew 2550 S 36th St. Quincy, IL 62305 (913) 660-6918 http://www.jaxtr.com/dreadrocksean __________ What's with the pursed lip poses? Beginning to look weird...on an alien level. On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jeff Larson wrote: > >> i'll need to insert my annual praise for the lake butler >> midi midigator RFC-1 foot pedal > > Yes, I have one of these too. They're quite powerful, but it is > important to understand that they've been out of production for a long > time so fixing them is practically impossible and finding replacement > power supplies can be difficult. I'm told Condor Electronics can make > a compatible power supply. > > The main reason I don't use mine any more is that there are only 5 > switches per bank compared to 10 on the FCB1010. This means that > you'll be using the Inc/Dec switches to scroll through banks more > often to get to your looper functions. > > I also find the switches almost impossible to press without wearing > shoes which is generally not an issue for live performance, but > annoying when I'm at home. > > Jeff > > BTW, my RFC-1 is in near mint condition if anyone wants to > buy a backup. Contact me off list. > --Apple-Mail-2-1049535418 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 any power supply can be easily = acquired through any of the huge electronic online stores like jameco = etc.
just meet the ampere, volts, AC or DC and polarity needs...and = ur fixed.
if u need regulated versions, they're available = also.
if u cant find it, ill build it and sell it to u = myself:-)
http://jameco.com
___
Adrian=A0Bartholomew
2550 S 36th St.
Quincy, IL = 62305
(913) 660-6918
http://www.jaxtr.com/dreadrocksean
__________
What's with the pursed lip = poses? Beginning to look weird...on an alien = level.



 =

On Sep 14, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jeff Larson = wrote:


=
i'll need to insert my = annual praise for the lake butler
midi = midigator RFC-1 foot pedal

Yes, I have = one of these too.=A0 = They're quite powerful, but it is
time so fixing them is = practically impossible and finding replacement
power supplies can be difficult.=A0 I'm told Condor Electronics = can make
a compatible power = supply.

The main reason I don't use mine any more is that = there are only 5
switches per bank compared to 10 = on the FCB1010.=A0 This = means that
you'll be using the Inc/Dec = switches to scroll through banks more
often to = get to your looper functions.

I also find the switches almost = impossible to press without wearing
shoes which = is generally not an issue for live performance, but
annoying when I'm at home.


BTW, my RFC-1 is in near mint condition if anyone = wants to=A0
buy a backup.=A0= Contact me off list.


= --Apple-Mail-2-1049535418-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 22:55:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A66853BF86; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ScF/n2NIO04OTvfcsE/k981lDsiYnarh9TwPuP+GGcNYGFm7ymYjmFjo0ri6PmeIfuMuOw+MjqdIUgu5JyrUoAWR/3I4GeHy3Vp0qUZ1HK+OIy3ehaRKGD3wKoht83rHnTb5stztLWkJ73WKggT4mlUU1A+5hg1diDfy5adRnMI=; X-YMail-OSG: rfOUU9wVM1mUR1iWRcxuMKcvs3IkeGIV1ktc1dCF.66K1TDoTWRSisJDZygwXt_bHCol1r5raRp1w_mOlzR5sssdfqByjF9WiQ2BGjGuk0tyc4mIsIbDK4lD_sjICg-- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 15:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: evil berhringer To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <832913.82145.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74525 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:55:40 +0000 (UTC) howdy, In days of yore, Behringer was a highly respected german manufacturer of quality audio equipment. They were in the upper-mid price range for their products. Then, they moved their manufacturing to China. In the early days, you could get the same exact product they used to make in Germany for a much lower price. Same build quality. In the years since, I don't know if anything has changed, but everything I own from them serves me well. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:00:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 459113BF7C; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CsUqGCx2Bv5ZyadxhSQgIKFtRvvRy9ZAU2eyeDeKH/It8rShFpc8qAL3cIoVkh03+p595uZD7cqpqDa/egvQMGznWWkHT/0ce6YHt2sa8mOl9D0n/Swmc0GwYaovQpfw9Hj3RGhaz0rP971goeeoypR61EG3rvZmslHydfQ03tI=; X-YMail-OSG: ZlH0PJcVM1kYcZ6rJjiJKsLBE2QAY4Mnuq8.5kUjQtGLiODooaH8LFU7TX1EGJVGxOyPKnfuOJ1OT54agLFZ_04NQzJ6UrR1NyC3Fpcxo_EuLQxicrnav7w8TkKyDg-- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:00:34 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: multi ins/outs device To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <663260.80613.qm@web32714.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74526 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Yes, what you are looking for is a "Mixing board". One with several submasters and the more aux outs the better. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:00:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B16CA3BFDF; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:00:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007951423045991@M2W045.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:00:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74527 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:00:49 +0000 (UTC) My brain hurts when I try to pencil this out=2E So'd appreciate your help=2E= =20 I'd like to use midi controllers (foot and/or hand control surfaces) to control just any/all software parameters=2E But it seems to me that a limiting factor may be the # of midi channels (max 16, right=3F)=2E =20 If you want to send CC to 8 output levels of a computer interface from a fader box, you'd use up 8 of the 16 channels so that you could control eac= h channel individually - correct=3F =20 If you wanted to map knobs on your controller to change settings (CC) of VST paramaters, do you need another midi channel for each VST to control them independently - correct=3F =20 Seems like you'd use up all your midi channels very quickly - right=3F -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/mail2web From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:06:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 986763BFE3; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1189811213.46eb140d7e250@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:53 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? References: <380-22007951423045991@M2W045.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-22007951423045991@M2W045.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74528 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) the quick answer, no.. there are 127 different CC's per channel... assuming the thing you are controlling allows for you to change which CC each control responds to, it will be a long time before you run out of MIDI commands... peace -cpr Quoting "qua@oregon.com" : > My brain hurts when I try to pencil this out. So'd appreciate your help. > I'd like to use midi controllers (foot and/or hand control surfaces) to > control just any/all software parameters. But it seems to me that a > limiting factor may be the # of midi channels (max 16, right?). > > If you want to send CC to 8 output levels of a computer interface from a > fader box, you'd use up 8 of the 16 channels so that you could control each > channel individually - correct? > > If you wanted to map knobs on your controller to change settings (CC) of > VST paramaters, do you need another midi channel for each VST to control > them independently - correct? > > Seems like you'd use up all your midi channels very quickly - right? > > -Qua > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:26:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A83913BF22; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220079514232557292@M2W040.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 19:25:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74529 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:26:00 +0000 (UTC) Ah!, Lets say you use a fader box to control volume of 8 output channels=2E= =20 Rather than have each output channel respond to a different midi channel, using CC 7 to control their volumes, you could use 1 midi channel and us= e a diffent CC# to control volume for each channel=3F -Qua Original Message: ----------------- From: cpr@musetrap=2Ecom Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:53 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight=2Ecom, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight= =2Eco Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=3D=3F the quick answer, no=2E=2E=20 there are 127 different CC's per channel=2E=2E=2E assuming the thing you a= re controlling allows for you to change which CC each control responds to, it= will be a long time before you run out of MIDI commands=2E=2E=2E peace -cpr -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting=2Ecom - Premium Microsoft=AE Windows=AE and Linux web and applic= ation hosting - http://link=2Emyhosting=2Ecom/myhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:29:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B2A153BF95; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:29:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1189812543.46eb193f63497@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:29:03 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? References: <380-220079514232557292@M2W040.mail2web.com> In-Reply-To: <380-220079514232557292@M2W040.mail2web.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74530 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:29:04 +0000 (UTC) yes... this should work since most modern equipment/software allows you to configure which midi command a particular control responds to.. peace -cpr Quoting "qua@oregon.com" : > Ah!, Lets say you use a fader box to control volume of 8 output channels. > Rather than have each output channel respond to a different midi channel, > using CC 7 to control their volumes, you could use 1 midi channel and use > a diffent CC# to control volume for each channel? > > -Qua > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: cpr@musetrap.com > Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:06:53 -0500 > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.co > Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? > > > the quick answer, no.. > > there are 127 different CC's per channel... assuming the thing you are > controlling allows for you to change which CC each control responds to, it > will > be a long time before you run out of MIDI commands... > > peace > -cpr > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 14 23:33:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 110FA3BFBD; Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.8 X-EN-IMPSID: oPZD1X0020ASqTN0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 16:33:08 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Midi controllers, limiting factors=? In-Reply-To: <380-220079514232557292@M2W040.mail2web.com> References: <380-220079514232557292@M2W040.mail2web.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070914233314.523213BF0D@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74531 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC) Another possibility (if the fader box supports multiple banks, common) is to change the assignments of the faders so that in one bank each fader send CC7 on unique channels, another bank sends a different CC on different (or same) channels, etc. At 2007.09.14 04:25 PM, qua@oregon.com wrote: >Ah!, Lets say you use a fader box to control volume of 8 output channels. >Rather than have each output channel respond to a different midi channel, >using CC 7 to control their volumes, you could use 1 midi channel and use >a diffent CC# to control volume for each channel? 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Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --0-1087439906-1189819423=:20641-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 02:07:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A97253BFAA; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8BD74921-BE09-429E-AC36-D714B239FC42@gmail.com> References: <8C9C5357724F188-BCC-2736@MBLK-M36.sysops.aol.com> <6191A718-756A-43CE-8B03-1AB90637B448@zoekeating.com> <8BD74921-BE09-429E-AC36-D714B239FC42@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-1061445193 Message-Id: <364A04D9-D656-4EAF-AF45-869823B88CEF@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:07:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74533 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 02:07:27 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-1061445193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > I don't think so. Maybe that's why the FCBs seem to be so well > built and solid? My first FCB worked for five years. I'm on my > second now. > > Greetings from Sweden Cosmetically it looks similar to the Roland foot controller. I do not know about the internals. I was the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back it up with some facts. Behringer make some decent products that were not copied directly from other companies but these are by far in the minority. It is a pity really because they started out making pretty good stuff. The early German made compressors were very good, not up to UREI but still pretty good. Once Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to pot. The CT100 cable tester is an exact rip off of the Swiss Army cable tester. Compare: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-swizzarmy.jpg to http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-cabletester.jpg They ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for it. Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released the Xenyx range. Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct rip off of a Big Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and compare the electronics. I could keep going with 90% of the products in their range- and find a product that they ripped off. They take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it for 1/5th price, with worse components. They have an entire city in china dedicated to churning out this crap. Their Mic Preamps are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' ones, which have about as much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey playing the banjo does to Jimi Hendrix. In audio engineer circles whey are regarded as the Microsoft of Pro Audio. Regards, Jim Richmond. --Apple-Mail-11-1061445193 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Sep 14, 2007, = at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

I don't think so. Maybe = that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB = worked for five years. I'm on my second now.


Greetings from Sweden

=

Cosmetically it looks similar to the = Roland foot controller.
I do not know about the = internals.

I was = the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back = it up with some facts.
Behringer make some decent products = that were not copied directly from other companies but these are by far = in the minority.

It is a pity really because = they started out making pretty good stuff.
The early German = made compressors were very good, not up to UREI but still pretty = good.

Once = Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to pot.

The CT100 cable tester is = an exact rip off of the Swiss Army cable = tester.=A0
Compare:


to


They = ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for = it.
Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released = the Xenyx range.
Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct = rip off of a Big Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and = compare the electronics.
I could keep going with 90% of the = products in their range- and find a product that they ripped = off.

They = take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it for 1/5th = price, with worse components.
They have an entire city in = china dedicated to churning out this crap.
Their Mic Preamps = are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' ones, which have about as = much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey playing the banjo does = to Jimi Hendrix.

In audio engineer circles = whey are regarded as the Microsoft of Pro Audio.

Regards,=A0

Jim = Richmond.
= --Apple-Mail-11-1061445193-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 03:03:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7CA9D3BFB0; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:03:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QvK9sNzXtPN8h1iyXzYKpfF1PyFtL/tyBTzmk2X6YgJAgVC5e8TCyVShO5mM/gbI6hnBVHYJi2d7ctYOzVb5xK7m+qTLWAWNyZs+zT8lLuJo9o9ASj2rr9vS1FkMLuhmTLU+GOCXSnsGzePAuL150TdimRvPFkYmFxz/4B1mrOo=; X-YMail-OSG: RUnctzoVM1msrvXBb3JgmLRLO1XwoFsfFOJx6R_gFUEQKz1z4SM1ws.UUvZqmow5BdS33SYybL7ES.1JnYO6vzJGThL_B3n.fMddgl1hBhO0hRPrWObW3CFokm5TCA-- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:03:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <364A04D9-D656-4EAF-AF45-869823B88CEF@jamesrichmond.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-991694473-1189825421=:7564" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <736388.7564.qm@web35108.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <0Fg_PD.A.AhF.Pu06GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74534 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 03:03:43 +0000 (UTC) --0-991694473-1189825421=:7564 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have one of Behringers copies of a Boss TU-2 tuner. It works fine for 5 strings anyway. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! --0-991694473-1189825421=:7564 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I have one of Behringers copies of a Boss TU-2 tuner. It works fine for 5 strings anyway.
 


 

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Join our Network Research Panel today! --0-991694473-1189825421=:7564-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 04:41:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B622B3BFB6; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:41:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Vq+YVlhoEoIv+umIDhfHh/RVy8AbjWnoI6829CawhtATlOPv+iew9I4RSOKrOtZYG+ennm3MfloQYjMQHSU+eEZ1upso/msw9Su9VvQe4dSucUENxjMNc8PkO5F/mpl6fKeOGXDwAhjI7va2U7r8xOddkS/502f9oiCLuYIwjcM=; X-YMail-OSG: N8.kLQYVM1kLYJyXT7mOcWyouDKH2VTyBiVKAE1sNpf1FdCHDTDnsUzoYIVJqtf75lAQhyQwV_kBvHz88xUZ5s7XYFCCz3fb4.pO1EAqR0hxc7II3dReU9jblzV1663mktk39ghSle9BQpzDRZQcBv3JcA-- Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 21:41:10 -0700 (PDT) From: cliftonwheatley Subject: boss loop station To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <65557.59265.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74535 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:41:11 +0000 (UTC) here's a simple, but probably all too common question... i am looking to buy a boss loop station... i have a line 6 dl4, and would like to feed loops into it with something, preferably a boss loop station. i am thinking the 20xl or rc-2, really can't afford the 50. my question? is the 20xl that much better than the rc-2? i already have one reverse function on my dl4, so i suppose i can get by without that for the time being... what do you think? or maybe i should consider something else? should i wait to see if something new will be unveiled for the holidays? thanks in advance for the help! cw ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 05:31:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3930C3BFBA; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070914222905.00e5b5d8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 22:33:55 -0700 To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Way OT bigtime apologies!!! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-43075A58 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74536 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 05:31:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey All, bigtime serious apologies for this OT but honestly, you guys are probably the only ones that might have this... :) I'm looking for a manual for a Digitech Studio Vocalist EX and not only does Digitech not have it on their site, but I just can't seem to locate it anywhere on the web. Might anyone here have, or know of either a hard copy or electronic version?... Thanks so much, and again, my extreme apologies!!!... 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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 1:37 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 06:04:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C1CF3BFB8; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:04:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CACcT60aXLAAp/2dsb2JhbACCbw From: "Luigi Meloni" To: Subject: RE: "Evil Behringer" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:04:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7F76F.09DE42A0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <364A04D9-D656-4EAF-AF45-869823B88CEF@jamesrichmond.com> Thread-Index: Acf3PSubRe1jZA/PTqSE8Kx0KmxhrAAHkbLA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74537 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 06:04:32 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7F76F.09DE42A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just one little question... Have you ever (EVER) TRIED a behringer product or are you talking because you have to say something? I have had the "ripoff" Mackie mixer, the behringer 2004 and it had the same components of the Mackie 1604(which means exactly the same sound. I have tested them with a spectrum analyser. And then. Mackie lost against Behringer. The only result they had was to make behringer change the color of their mixers. I have the behringer digital mixer, and (for the price) it kicks the ass of many Yamahas that cost three or four the time its price. Alice Cooper's FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers (the behringer compressor) and Multigates (the behringer 4 channel gate) for the Hey Stoopid tour. Pink floyd's FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers, Multicom and Multigates in the photos I have seen of various concerts. German metal group "Rage" use behringer amplifiers (I saw them live twice with the guitar stack). The PFM, a great Italian Progressive group (namely Premiata Forneria Marconi), that in the seventies toured europe and the US with King Crimson, ELP etc, in fact they worked during their US years with Giles, member of the first version of King Crimson, usually have four Behringer 8 channel preamps/adat converters in their studio and they have recorded their last two albums using those. These are 24/48 converters, but then in the last live Yamaha mixers (and we are talking 8000 to 12 or 15000 $ live consoles) there are only 24/48 converters. The Vamp pro (the rack version) kicks the ass of the Pod pro, as far as price, quality of the sound and of the simulations. I have had both and in studio ended up almost always using the Vamp. Obviously if you want a 400 $ guitar pedal for 40$ you have to cut costs somewhere. But then, talking of ripoffs. Have you ever noticed how some old Digitech (dod) guitar pedals where a total ripoff of MXRs? Or talk about the famous Boss OD1 (not the later versions) that is more or the less the old Maxon (Ibanez) Ts9? Or how some Neumann mics (and I mean the pricier ones) are total ripoffs of older Telefunken mics? Or the AKG C12 mic is also a ripoff of the telefunken Elan? And they have also the face to make their ripoffs cost more than the originals. Peace Luigi _____ From: James Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com] Sent: sabato 15 settembre 2007 4.07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: I don't think so. Maybe that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB worked for five years. I'm on my second now. Greetings from Sweden Cosmetically it looks similar to the Roland foot controller. I do not know about the internals. I was the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back it up with some facts. Behringer make some decent products that were not copied directly from other companies but these are by far in the minority. It is a pity really because they started out making pretty good stuff. The early German made compressors were very good, not up to UREI but still pretty good. Once Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to pot. The CT100 cable tester is an exact rip off of the Swiss Army cable tester. Compare: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-swizzarmy.jpg to http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-cabletester.jpg They ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for it. Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released the Xenyx range. Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct rip off of a Big Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and compare the electronics. I could keep going with 90% of the products in their range- and find a product that they ripped off. They take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it for 1/5th price, with worse components. They have an entire city in china dedicated to churning out this crap. Their Mic Preamps are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' ones, which have about as much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey playing the banjo does to Jimi Hendrix. In audio engineer circles whey are regarded as the Microsoft of Pro Audio. Regards, Jim Richmond. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7F76F.09DE42A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just one little question... Have you ever (EVER) TRIED a behringer product or are you = talking because you have to say something?

I have had the = “ripoff” Mackie mixer, the behringer 2004 and it had the same components of the = Mackie 1604(which means exactly the same sound… I have tested them with a spectrum = analyser…

And then… = Mackie lost against Behringer… The only result they had was to make = behringer change the color of their mixers…

I have the = behringer digital mixer, and (for the price) it kicks the ass of many Yamahas that = cost three or four the time its price…

Alice = Cooper’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers (the behringer compressor) and = Multigates (the behringer 4 channel gate) for the Hey Stoopid = tour.

Pink = floyd’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers, Multicom and Multigates in the = photos I have seen of various concerts.

German metal = group “Rage” use behringer amplifiers (I saw them live twice with the guitar = stack).

The PFM, a great = Italian Progressive group (namely Premiata Forneria Marconi), that in the = seventies toured europe and the US with King Crimson, ELP etc, in fact they worked = during their US years with Giles, member of the first version of King Crimson, = usually have four Behringer 8 channel preamps/adat converters in their studio = and they have recorded their last two albums using those. These are 24/48 = converters, but then in the last live Yamaha mixers (and we are talking 8000 to 12 or = 15000 $ live consoles) there are only 24/48 converters. =

The Vamp pro = (the rack version) kicks the ass of the Pod pro, as far as price, quality of the = sound and of the simulations. I have had both and in studio ended up almost = always using the Vamp.

Obviously if you = want a 400 $ guitar pedal for 40$ you have to cut costs somewhere. But then, = talking of ripoffs… Have you ever noticed how some old Digitech (dod) = guitar pedals where a total ripoff of MXRs?

Or talk about = the famous Boss OD1 (not the later versions) that is more or the less the old Maxon (Ibanez) Ts9?

Or how some = Neumann mics (and I mean the pricier ones) are total ripoffs of older Telefunken = mics? Or the AKG C12 mic is also a ripoff of the telefunken Elan? And they have = also the face to make their ripoffs cost more than the = originals…

 =

Peace<= /span>

Luigi<= /span>

From: James Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com]
Sent: sabato 15 settembre = 2007 4.07
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer"

 

On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen = wrote:



I don't think so. Maybe = that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB worked for = five years. I'm on my second now.

 <= /font>

Greetings from = Sweden

 

Cosmetically it looks similar to the Roland foot = controller.

I do not know about the internals.

 

I was the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back it up with some facts.

Behringer make some decent products that were not copied = directly from other companies but these are by far in the = minority.

 

It is a pity really because they started out making pretty good = stuff.

The early German made compressors were very good, not up to UREI = but still pretty good.

 

Once Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to = pot.

 

The CT100 cable tester is an exact rip off of the Swiss Army = cable tester.

Compare:

 

 

to

 

 

They ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for = it.

Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released the = Xenyx range.

Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct rip off of a Big = Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and compare the = electronics.

I could keep going with 90% of the products in their range- and = find a product that they ripped off.

 

They take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it = for 1/5th price, with worse components.

They have an entire city in china dedicated to churning out this = crap.

Their Mic Preamps are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' = ones, which have about as much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey = playing the banjo does to Jimi Hendrix.

 

In audio engineer circles whey are regarded as the Microsoft of = Pro Audio.

 

Regards,

 

Jim Richmond.

------=_NextPart_000_003B_01C7F76F.09DE42A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 07:32:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD7963BFA3; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709150732.l8F7WEYe002669@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: Evil Behringer Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:32:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005C_01C7F72F.DE4EFAB0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf3aopm8HFw5jpnTGqDFIC96TX1LQ== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74538 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 07:32:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C7F72F.DE4EFAB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as the FCB1010 goes, it looks a lot like a Roland FC200, though it actually is very different, and more flexible in some ways, though if you like CC's, the Roland has I believe 4-5 inputs for additional foot pedals. Behringer's well received digital mixer is another product that was designed from the ground up. As far as customer service goes, The company does not support the FCB1010 very well, as I have personally tried to get spare parts, (I've got a couple of switches that seem like the springs are giving out) and though they actually have a list of parts they were willing to share with me, they had no availability of any of the parts, and the list was made up of parts numbers with no descriptions! Thanks Behringer, thanks a lot:-( In short, much of there gear while well engineered, is not only cheap, it's made to be disposable. A midi controller costing $125-145 new is going to cost more in US man hours to fix than it is to make a new one with current Chinese labor rates. Its like trying to get a mini disc recorder fixed (remember them? Mine still works).....You can't.. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C7F72F.DE4EFAB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As far as the FCB1010 goes, it looks a lot like a = Roland FC200, though it actually is very different, and more flexible in some = ways, though if you like CC’s, the Roland has I believe 4-5 inputs for additional foot pedals. Behringer’s well received digital mixer is another product that was designed from the ground up. =  

   As far as customer service goes, The = company does not support the FCB1010 very well, as I have personally tried to get spare = parts, (I’ve got a couple of switches that seem like the springs are giving out) and = though they actually have a list of parts they were willing to share with me, = they had no availability of any of the parts, and the list was made up of parts = numbers with no descriptions! Thanks Behringer, thanks a lotL  In short, much of there gear while well engineered, is not only cheap, =  it’s made to be disposable. A midi controller costing $125-145 new is going to = cost more in US man hours to fix than it is to make a new one with current Chinese labor = rates. Its like trying to get a mini disc recorder fixed (remember them? Mine = still works)………..You = can’t..

Bill

------=_NextPart_000_005C_01C7F72F.DE4EFAB0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 08:20:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7F073BF7A; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: "Evil Behringer", Evil Georg Neumann Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:20:22 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <004701c7f771$42be4780$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> Thread-Index: Acf3PSubRe1jZA/PTqSE8Kx0KmxhrAAHkbLAAAVbSGA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWCG25/U2U= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74539 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:20:00 +0000 (UTC) Luigi said: > Or how some Neumann mics (and I mean the pricier ones) are total ripoffs of older Telefunken mics? Or the AKG C12 mic > is also a ripoff of the telefunken Elan? And they have also the face to make their ripoffs cost more than the While I'm with you for the rest of your post, here you have to consider this: For the old Neumann mics (pre-WW2), Neumann only manufactured the capsules. The electronics and housing was manufactured after Neumann specs by Telefunken. So the Neumann mics are ripoffs of older Neumann mics with a "Telefunken" logo on them. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 11:45:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BB43BF89; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=SNyTBwzWlOBjbPL6xQGoqNlB0HH7KPc5aqcqVdgTIvHtkprnkLR0Iz645vQDnRCiodQ/jEkK3j3iGFKKH1aA9BZA7U14Wa18tBiSNnh3AJiK60BCcG81BHyAzZTEqRV0g0ZwYnr85sexL97XIN8cNOw0KWVD5nCb/1a877yKAXw=; X-YMail-OSG: iF0cvj4VM1nQlfp7h9gKtkiUKvbZLH0l1exLqECA8fxX50fsHxjErI0KBVCODFdXhpAJyw3xSpsrEQHl5kQt7yC8zq0VoyZDrjYYOOpGHbhWwugxNI.lY7A45cZLyQ-- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:45:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: RE: "Evil Behringer" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2140964151-1189856751=:35019" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <95174.35019.qm@web35103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74540 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 11:45:52 +0000 (UTC) --0-2140964151-1189856751=:35019 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I had several different Behringer mixer models and while I like their price points and feature sets, they sound inferior to Mackie mixers particularly the Onyx line. I haven't tried a Xeynx mixer and if it sounded as good as an Onyx, it would be a good buy indeed. Luigi Meloni wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Just one little question... Have you ever (EVER) TRIED a behringer product or are you talking because you have to say something? I have had the “ripoff” Mackie mixer, the behringer 2004 and it had the same components of the Mackie 1604(which means exactly the same sound… I have tested them with a spectrum analyser… And then… Mackie lost against Behringer… The only result they had was to make behringer change the color of their mixers… I have the behringer digital mixer, and (for the price) it kicks the ass of many Yamahas that cost three or four the time its price… Alice Cooper’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers (the behringer compressor) and Multigates (the behringer 4 channel gate) for the Hey Stoopid tour. Pink floyd’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers, Multicom and Multigates in the photos I have seen of various concerts. German metal group “Rage” use behringer amplifiers (I saw them live twice with the guitar stack). The PFM, a great Italian Progressive group (namely Premiata Forneria Marconi), that in the seventies toured europe and the US with King Crimson, ELP etc, in fact they worked during their US years with Giles, member of the first version of King Crimson, usually have four Behringer 8 channel preamps/adat converters in their studio and they have recorded their last two albums using those. These are 24/48 converters, but then in the last live Yamaha mixers (and we are talking 8000 to 12 or 15000 $ live consoles) there are only 24/48 converters. The Vamp pro (the rack version) kicks the ass of the Pod pro, as far as price, quality of the sound and of the simulations. I have had both and in studio ended up almost always using the Vamp. Obviously if you want a 400 $ guitar pedal for 40$ you have to cut costs somewhere. But then, talking of ripoffs… Have you ever noticed how some old Digitech (dod) guitar pedals where a total ripoff of MXRs? Or talk about the famous Boss OD1 (not the later versions) that is more or the less the old Maxon (Ibanez) Ts9? Or how some Neumann mics (and I mean the pricier ones) are total ripoffs of older Telefunken mics? Or the AKG C12 mic is also a ripoff of the telefunken Elan? And they have also the face to make their ripoffs cost more than the originals… Peace Luigi --------------------------------- From: James Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com] Sent: sabato 15 settembre 2007 4.07 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote: I don't think so. Maybe that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB worked for five years. I'm on my second now. Greetings from Sweden Cosmetically it looks similar to the Roland foot controller. I do not know about the internals. I was the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back it up with some facts. Behringer make some decent products that were not copied directly from other companies but these are by far in the minority. It is a pity really because they started out making pretty good stuff. The early German made compressors were very good, not up to UREI but still pretty good. Once Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to pot. The CT100 cable tester is an exact rip off of the Swiss Army cable tester. Compare: http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-swizzarmy.jpg to http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/post-cabletester.jpg They ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for it. Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released the Xenyx range. Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct rip off of a Big Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and compare the electronics. I could keep going with 90% of the products in their range- and find a product that they ripped off. They take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it for 1/5th price, with worse components. They have an entire city in china dedicated to churning out this crap. Their Mic Preamps are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' ones, which have about as much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey playing the banjo does to Jimi Hendrix. In audio engineer circles whey are regarded as the Microsoft of Pro Audio. Regards, Jim Richmond. --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. --0-2140964151-1189856751=:35019 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Well, I had several different Behringer mixer models and while I like their price points and feature sets, they sound inferior to Mackie mixers particularly the Onyx line. I haven't tried a Xeynx mixer and if it sounded as good as an Onyx, it would be a good buy indeed.

Luigi Meloni <luigimeloni74@libero.it> wrote:
Just one little question... Have you ever (EVER) TRIED a behringer product or are you talking because you have to say something?
I have had the “ripoff” Mackie mixer, the behringer 2004 and it had the same components of the Mackie 1604(which means exactly the same sound… I have tested them with a spectrum analyser…
And then… Mackie lost against Behringer… The only result they had was to make behringer change the color of their mixers…
I have the behringer digital mixer, and (for the price) it kicks the ass of many Yamahas that cost three or four the time its price…
Alice Cooper’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers (the behringer compressor) and Multigates (the behringer 4 channel gate) for the Hey Stoopid tour.
Pink floyd’s FOH engineer had a rack full of Composers, Multicom and Multigates in the photos I have seen of various concerts.
German metal group “Rage” use behringer amplifiers (I saw them live twice with the guitar stack).
The PFM, a great Italian Progressive group (namely Premiata Forneria Marconi), that in the seventies toured europe and the US with King Crimson, ELP etc, in fact they worked during their US years with Giles, member of the first version of King Crimson, usually have four Behringer 8 channel preamps/adat converters in their studio and they have recorded their last two albums using those. These are 24/48 converters, but then in the last live Yamaha mixers (and we are talking 8000 to 12 or 15000 $ live consoles) there are only 24/48 converters.
The Vamp pro (the rack version) kicks the ass of the Pod pro, as far as price, quality of the sound and of the simulations. I have had both and in studio ended up almost always using the Vamp.
Obviously if you want a 400 $ guitar pedal for 40$ you have to cut costs somewhere. But then, talking of ripoffs… Have you ever noticed how some old Digitech (dod) guitar pedals where a total ripoff of MXRs?
Or talk about the famous Boss OD1 (not the later versions) that is more or the less the old Maxon (Ibanez) Ts9?
Or how some Neumann mics (and I mean the pricier ones) are total ripoffs of older Telefunken mics? Or the AKG C12 mic is also a ripoff of the telefunken Elan? And they have also the face to make their ripoffs cost more than the originals…
 
Peace
Luigi
From: James Richmond [mailto:yahoogroups@jamesrichmond.com]
Sent: sabato 15 settembre 2007 4.07
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer"
 
On Sep 14, 2007, at 6:41 PM, Per Boysen wrote:


I don't think so. Maybe that's why the FCBs seem to be so well built and solid? My first FCB worked for five years. I'm on my second now.
 
Greetings from Sweden
 
Cosmetically it looks similar to the Roland foot controller.
I do not know about the internals.
 
I was the guy who made the 'evil behringer' comment, so I should probably back it up with some facts.
Behringer make some decent products that were not copied directly from other companies but these are by far in the minority.
 
It is a pity really because they started out making pretty good stuff.
The early German made compressors were very good, not up to UREI but still pretty good.
 
Once Uli moved his manufacturing to China it all went to pot.
 
The CT100 cable tester is an exact rip off of the Swiss Army cable tester.
Compare:
 
 
to
 
 
They ripped off Mackie time and time again and were sued for it.
Even when Mackie released the Onyx range... they released the Xenyx range.
Their Vintage Distortion pedal is a direct rip off of a Big Muff- look at the box design, then open them up and compare the electronics.
I could keep going with 90% of the products in their range- and find a product that they ripped off.
 
They take a good (or in some cases, average) design and build it for 1/5th price, with worse components.
They have an entire city in china dedicated to churning out this crap.
Their Mic Preamps are duller than a box of dirt- esp the 'tube' ones, which have about as much relevence to tube based designs as a monkey playing the banjo does to Jimi Hendrix.
 
In audio engineer circles whey are regarded as the Microsoft of Pro Audio.
 
Regards,
 
Jim Richmond.

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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 16:04:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E29AE3BF74; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:04:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7f7b2$25734860$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf3siVGjVNUW3G8ST6g/jp3+x9IXw== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINOKCIL6Q== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74541 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:04:27 +0000 (UTC) For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics of use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as equipment choices. The link is here: http://tinyurl.com/23csuj Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here), Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 16:15:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC8CB3BF7B; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> References: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-12--1035165181 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:15:15 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74542 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:15:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-12--1035165181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed How rude of you. I guess you yourself buy a lot of Behringer gear and are emotionally =20 invested in the argument and hence forgot your manners. I said what I had to say because someone specifically asked about =20 something in my earlier post. I also do not need to explain myself to you, thank-you very much. Yes, I've owned a lot of Behringer products in my early days of =20 engineering. I had a Behringer MX8000 8 bus console that was returned for repair 8 =20= times in 3 years. I've had original composers, which worked great and newer composers, =20 which were rubbish. I still have a patch-bay and an ADA8000, which is a horrible sounding =20= device, unless it is externally clocked. I also wrote reviews for pro audio magazines for a period of years, =20 worked in sales for audio gear as both a dealer and a distributor =20 (and sold Behringer) so I think I know what I am talking about. The VAMP certainly doesn't kick the ass of the Pod Pro, at least the =20 XT- which is excellent esp if using the AES/EBU IO and auxed into PT. =20= I've A/B'ed them. On the topic of companies ripping off other companies- well in some =20 ways there is a certain amount of borrowing from everywhere but never =20= in the history of Pro Audio has a single company stolen the ideas of =20 so many other companies with such regularity. It is their business plan, their modus operandi and they are very, =20 very successful at it. The Boss and Ibanez pedals are completely different designs- =20 asymmetrical vs symmetrical distortion. The C12 and the Elam (not Elan) are not exactly the same- here are =20 some differences: 1. The pattern selector for the C12 is a separate box that connects =20 on the power supply, the elam has the selector on the microphone. =20 More gain, less noise. 2. The tube is mounted right side up in the C12 and upside down in =20 the elam. The elam allows for less heat congestion and less heat on =20 the capsule. 3. The elam has a superior grill. Some more info on the ELAM 251 vs the C12, quoted from Klause Heyne =20 (some repetition of my points above but worth reading if you actually =20= care about the differences between the two): "It was already mentioned that the (CK12) capsule tolerances were =20 significant. But not only were the original CK12s handmade, and the =20 discretionary assembly aspects significant, there also were =20 significant (and measurable) design changes of the capsule's sub-=20 assembly parts over the years. For example, you can find five different backplate resonators in use =20 between 1954 and 1972. In addition, there are electrical and mechanical differences between =20 C12 and ELA M 251 which influence the two mics' timbre significantly: 1. Pattern switch on ELA M improves s/n of cardioid pattern by 4dB =20 over C12 with its remote controlled pattern adjustment 2. Proximity of tube grid to capsule in ELA M improves s/n by another =20= dB: The tube is installed 180=BA, i.e. upside down 3. Tube biasing of 6072 is different in both models, and creates =20 different timbre, tube noise level and noise spectrum 4. Double mesh (+ nylon insert, in some ELA M mics) filters and slows =20= down the incoming sound in ELA M, whereas a single, coarse-mesh wire =20 weave in C12 lets much more sound through unimpeded. (Downside: a =20 propensity for hum when the C12 is placed too close to stray magnetic =20= fields, and greater sensitivity for popping) 5. Capsule mount on C12 interferes with direct signal path to the =20 diaphragm on rear access (especially of concern in omni and figure =20 eight) 6. Different cable topology and connector scheme for each model =20 affects timbre 7. Mic amp circuitry, particularly the high impedance section, is =20 different (too many items to mention, but one that sticks out: in =20 cardioid pattern, the C12 uses a coupling capacitor between capsule =20 and tube grid, the ELA M does not.) In total, both mics are stellar on the appropriate sound source, but =20 not necessarily interchangeable." It isn't about that though- I don't particularly have a problem with =20 the individual specifics of Behringer's game plan and this isn't a =20 big issue for me, but for people to pretend that they do not have a =20 game plan that is intentionally going out to rip off the designs of =20 other manufacturers is laughably unrealistic. Are they the only =20 one's, not at all, but no one does it so relentlessly. Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, Luigi Meloni wrote: > Just one little question... Have you ever (EVER) TRIED a behringer =20 > product or are you talking because you have to say something? > > I have had the =93ripoff=94 Mackie mixer, the behringer 2004 and it = had =20 > the same components of the Mackie 1604(which means exactly the same =20= > sound=85 I have tested them with a spectrum analyser=85 --Apple-Mail-12--1035165181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 How rude of you.=A0
I guess = you yourself buy a lot of Behringer gear and are emotionally invested in = the=A0argument and hence forgot your manners.=A0

I said what I had to say because = someone specifically asked about something in my earlier = post.
I also do not need to explain myself to you,=A0thank-you = very much.

Yes,= I've owned a lot of Behringer products in my early days of = engineering.
I had a Behringer MX8000 8 bus console that was = returned for repair 8 times in 3 years.
I've had original = composers, which worked great and newer composers, which were = rubbish.
I still have a=A0patch-bay and an ADA8000, which is a = horrible sounding device, unless it is externally clocked.

I also wrote reviews for = pro audio magazines for a period of years, worked in sales for audio = gear as both a dealer and a distributor (and sold Behringer) so I think = I know what I am talking about.

The VAMP certainly doesn't = kick the ass of the Pod Pro, at least the XT- which is excellent esp if = using the AES/EBU IO and auxed into PT. I've A/B'ed them.

On the topic of companies = ripping off other companies- well in some ways there is a certain amount = of borrowing from everywhere but never in the history of Pro Audio has a = single company stolen the ideas of so many other companies with such = regularity.
It is their business plan, their modus operandi = and they are very, very successful at it.

The Boss and Ibanez pedals are completely different = designs-=A0asymmetrical vs=A0symmetrical = distortion.
The C12 and the Elam (not Elan) are not exactly the same- = here are some differences:

1. The pattern selector for = the C12 is a separate box that connects on the power supply, the elam = has the selector on the microphone. More gain, less = noise.

2. The tube is mounted right = side up in the C12 and upside down in the elam. The elam allows for less = heat congestion and less heat on the capsule.

3. The elam has a superior = grill.=A0

Some more info on the ELAM 251 = vs the C12, quoted from Klause Heyne (some=A0repetition of my points = above but worth reading if you actually care about the=A0differences = between the two):

"It = was already mentioned that the (CK12) capsule tolerances were = significant. But not only were the original CK12s handmade, and the = discretionary assembly aspects significant, there also were significant = (and measurable) design changes of the capsule's sub-assembly parts over = the years.
For example, you can find five different backplate = resonators in use between 1954 and 1972.=A0

In addition, there are = electrical and mechanical differences between C12 and ELA M 251 which = influence the two mics' timbre significantly:

1. Pattern switch on ELA M = improves s/n of cardioid pattern by 4dB over C12 with its remote = controlled pattern adjustment

2. = Proximity of tube grid to capsule in ELA M improves s/n by another dB: = The tube is installed 180=BA, i.e. upside down

3. Tube biasing of 6072 is = different in both models, and creates different timbre, tube noise level = and noise spectrum

4. = Double mesh (+ nylon insert, in some ELA M mics) filters and slows down = the incoming sound in ELA M, whereas a single, coarse-mesh wire weave in = C12 lets much more sound through unimpeded. (Downside: a propensity for = hum when the C12 is placed too close to stray magnetic fields, and = greater sensitivity for popping)
5. Capsule mount on C12 interferes with direct signal = path to the diaphragm on rear access (especially of concern in omni and = figure eight)

6. = Different cable topology and connector scheme for each model affects = timbre

7. = Mic amp circuitry, particularly the high impedance section, is different = (too many items to mention, but one that sticks out: in cardioid = pattern, the C12 uses a coupling capacitor between capsule and tube = grid, the ELA M does not.)

In = total, both mics are stellar on the appropriate sound source, but not = necessarily interchangeable."

It isn't about that though- I = don't particularly have a problem with the individual specifics of = Behringer's game plan and this isn't a big issue for me, but for people = to pretend that they do not have a game plan that is intentionally going = out to rip off the designs of other manufacturers is laughably = unrealistic. Are they the only one's, not at all, but no one does it so = relentlessly.

Regards,=A0

Jim = Richmond


On Sep 15, 2007, at 2:04 AM, = Luigi Meloni wrote:

Just one little question... Have you ever = (EVER) TRIED a behringer product or are you talking because you have to = say something?

I have had the =93ripoff=94 Mackie mixer, = the behringer 2004 and it had the same components of the Mackie = 1604(which means exactly the same sound=85 I have tested them with a = spectrum = analyser=85


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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 19:10:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4769F3BF52; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <0f9001c7f7cc$22d3e690$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000001c7f7b2$25734860$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:10:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <5EK3-C.A.jiG.-4C7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74543 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:10:55 +0000 (UTC) Rainer, you didn't add the Looperlative. You MUST have this for the survey to be valid in my opinion. Many people are or have used it. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey > For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics of > use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as > equipment choices. > > The link is here: > http://tinyurl.com/23csuj > > Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here), > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 19:14:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFC833BF49; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=pFi98s/3WAlrU66ueC/pB5XUGFx0SxmfgmAna5ENw4Y=; b=hoFVJ8Up7G7JY8imhl6kcDgvohVbPvysXmGZ2em49A/jEJuhGp4I5WQhhbLKWyGd1LU29fogFcZ4XojNAWPz0U9ufOzFuntx4HiKTZ5GEYFuPDXZ2G4tecHv1e/yoab+mutEtKb5Z3WdgoMbZc8aB3/TwkHyh7Kkp4FPX2If9W4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=H4YuS0Je99koPuK1X1U/F0LI8aCxd+7Tz8RNhnX3yh5z3Xvd76ltGBk/97hxn4uA0F0qFoi7TUxVrOJ115ywrxCSqwpbvinrQj5V24hKjLKnrpUk+tSt4Ob7u0ub+uTDCyWK+Be2T+tRJwmaPKMjornyWwrVTyHn0Epo+MNn4TE= Message-ID: <002801c7f7cc$8dde65a0$5a01a8c0@mark> From: To: References: <832913.82145.qm@web32709.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: evil berhringer Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:13:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed"; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type="original" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <8Okl-C.A.WuG._7C7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74544 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Well I dont know (or care really) about Behringer ripping off anyone, all I know is... the FCB1010 is fantastic for the money, and my mixer, the UB2442FX... well how can I put it???? Um.... well...is shit... its so badly made, I never know if its gonna work at gigs, the reverb is hissy as hell, it sounds terrible, and its the worse buy i ever made, mixers always die on me however... I have 4... they are all a tad dodgy... my favorite is the extremely noisy, but nice 1U SImmons digital mixer... lovely... why can someone copy that one and put BETTER components in it?? Reverse engineer it BETTER??? m... -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14128 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 19:56:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D42E33BF83; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3AS1bcLSh4OWhvCHRjYjllxzo7DK1OL/LmiLrymTSZc=; b=XUmkTreCLp88yfU0nuTTzGWDv3QXCWhcElgx2eySyMsDZ4Tcuy1Cm7Xiz7eAOe3wN6itW8edveyvz/kNOHM1no5qqF9by4OLNCJwDNCkY9LmCmaQDcmkt+Mu3yF6BksnDC9fDI4SzsinbH47MgmjRFvY0CqgJcmtYOp+God0DYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Oqu0NcGjaX4pF9YiIJYcz8dq2ckYyRPoXDn0PDNR7TscgKNZvRtCC8Zd96cvKlRW56NFPqPXHygqn0IDNSwKMyfm3rPpV0ZB2wA+0hWOQIE69OlIWco/aN3Z9VfUQqZzIh3JOTV0v6p/dZPciAh4AVZ7oBpLixs6/wejh2AHeQU= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 14:56:24 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey In-Reply-To: <0f9001c7f7cc$22d3e690$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5509_18114220.1189886184512" References: <000001c7f7b2$25734860$1001a8c0@succubus> <0f9001c7f7cc$22d3e690$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74545 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 19:56:25 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5509_18114220.1189886184512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Glad to see you doing this Ranier. I did the last one (primarily an equipment survey - I didn't ask looping technique questions) in late 2005, but I haven't had time to consider it lately. For those who haven't seen it and might be interested, the 2005 looping equipment survey results are here: http://uncledig.com/wp/archives/116 Please also excuse my abandoned blog :) I failed at making it part of my e-routine. Doug > > For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics > of > > use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as > > equipment choices. > > > > The link is here: > > http://tinyurl.com/23csuj > > > > Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here), > > > > Rainer > > > > ------=_Part_5509_18114220.1189886184512 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Glad to see you doing this Ranier.  I did the last one (primarily an equipment survey - I didn't ask looping technique questions) in late 2005, but I haven't had time to consider it lately.

For those who haven't seen it and might be interested, the 2005 looping equipment survey results are here: http://uncledig.com/wp/archives/116

Please also excuse my abandoned blog :)  I failed at making it part of my e-routine.

Doug


> For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics of
> use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as
> equipment choices.
>
> The link is here:
> http://tinyurl.com/23csuj
>
> Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here),
>
> Rainer
>


------=_Part_5509_18114220.1189886184512-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:04:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9E713BF83; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:03:49 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: re: Way OT bigtime apologies!!! To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46EC3AA5.4040305@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: <-dBE1.A.q5.6qD7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74546 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:04:10 +0000 (UTC) > I'm looking for a manual for a Digitech Studio Vocalist EX and not > only does Digitech not have it on their site, but I just can't seem to > locate it anywhere on the web. I expect you'll get several responses, Cara. Here ya go... http://www.americanmusical.com/manuals/digitech/VocalistWorkstation_manual.pdf Dan Ash White Plains, NY From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 20:16:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D31A3BF3C; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=AJJJLP+IP7YxBtGSB1BBtaAWgyZsYPvwnlf6p4Bg7TM=; b=tz+pCgzH3Nn55BrpQSPWKC9YM53EAr337PU9YVG5wj7Cm77C0veyZuhT9ubSBCNyMHlrd8bGB2j8uufFxNyQ7B2jewO2uzb5jL+67gzcGVPTGyxtJoe1EUqLPvba0AYvzTRY+N5ffiw2fXhwv/HrOE3qKcKFieng1mr8t0oFluI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ip1ZbwQ/91T+TUnXlqRsmrB2R9lhxSzdabIwA1d608JFnZzuzRUwuafID6AbGBp97ljUFssOpE7G/6/IlUMPSRgTlR2x7ROeBge2xhq1tQgolKj7s4g8cMeJs9UXjdwPG9G5l3a2XLNqjuLG2WwTEAWk7u2/XowNBr6rusQsRLg= Message-ID: <66f9cc1e0709151316j2db885d6y2213dcd7e85fc2d7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:16:50 +0200 From: "Per Boysen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3783_33185713.1189887410349" References: <000001c7f7b2$25734860$1001a8c0@succubus> <0f9001c7f7cc$22d3e690$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74547 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 20:16:52 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3783_33185713.1189887410349 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics > > of > > > use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as > > > equipment choices. > > > > > > The link is here: > > > http://tinyurl.com/23csuj > > > > > > Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here), > > > > > > Rainer > > Great idea, Rainer! Looking forward to the results. Did you add Looperlative? -- Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) http://www.myspace.com/looproom ------=_Part_3783_33185713.1189887410349 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
> For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics of
> use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as
> equipment choices.
>
> The link is here:
> http://tinyurl.com/23csuj
>
> Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here),
>
> Rainer

 

 
Great idea, Rainer! Looking forward to the results. Did you add Looperlative?

--
Greetings from Sweden

Per Boysen
www.boysen.se (Swedish)
www.looproom.com (international)
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Another LD member's survey Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:45:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74550 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 21:45:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks, Rainer. I just completed the survey. > Dear Krispen, dear Per, > > thank you for reminding me of this important piece of hardware. I actually > looked at both the LD "tools of the trade" page and at Per's spreadsheet, > but the Looperlative must somehow have slipped my mind... > > 25 responses already...I hope the Looperlative users didn't fill out the > survey so far... > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 22:10:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25D0D3BFAF; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <8D814909-F9D0-4F4D-8952-C2D547CF23B5@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: rc50 fade question Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:11:21 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74551 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Greetings. Picked up an RC50 and was glad to see that: 1) you can unsync everything and run 3 simultaneous loops ("phrases"- each w/ infinite layers) all of different lengths and 2) there was a fade out option (also fade in) that could be set up independantly per phrase. Was wondering how to get into and tweak the time of the fade function. The manual gives a factory default setting of 50 within a possible range of 0 - 100. The 50 setting works well (not like the "instantaneous" fade of the 20xl) but would like to increase the setting. Also, hows do I tell what version of the OS is on the machine - not sure if I need the upgrade? Thanks. - Paul PS: a couple recent imrprov. snippetts (pre - rc50) at << http:// web.mac.com/pmimlitsch/Site/Home.html >>. "KG2" recorded live on the streets of Evergreen and "Settling In", a duo with flute player Meg York, recorded at a house concert. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 15 22:45:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A545F3BF3B; Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=u4eVgVAEsP6+pNKcf+e83Z+d/vp08aid57LogSSQuAo=; b=QEWnGao338BD9h2xmr/aUZMuFswwuecYee3mykkuURiB7x6wT1oPjm4EoJNygFjlwyODsSLQwBqJp1qU2V2XKGjK/cQ0keheW0CuJq6Ti9rjw9K/0R1ESstiB5npWrcOeU/iNsd7aSFIYF+PxgRopA4pfFMaGf7uSy3PsNrxfkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZNY/ODnFllkZJqy/sWVC9v4Z8QSGcEuejH8H+4Sra+5QD0k9SbPw7ivCuG1GEQRWtLZ8kkIc56yu0N8mOiq5BAY8E2OA/aILf1dTGg6LCGdaNs+O0UXWV6o8xDU5Av8tfyKEpoB2yY/mqfR9tIm18mMHWWeF9wZKmKIbf2LXKws= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:45:18 -0400 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Way OT bigtime apologies!!! In-Reply-To: <46EC3AA5.4040305@Verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46EC3AA5.4040305@Verizon.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74552 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 22:45:20 +0000 (UTC) I think that's a different unit. The thing she's looking for is a rackspace thing, the "Studio Vocalist EX". TH On 9/15/07, Dan Ash wrote: > > I'm looking for a manual for a Digitech Studio Vocalist EX and not > > only does Digitech not have it on their site, but I just can't seem to > > locate it anywhere on the web. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 00:00:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D5DA23BF86; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=4DX/2mZnckbI36M+S2d3hrhVpHJ+nAnp0Jsw+7dRuQQ=; b=MIToEld9/DNE5KXMEIGrii5SVjSRpFHplcy+BtgDWFuU6WbwAfWivs8NvYtwCI2r0V3eG267ddDOwZRyUtGeJIps4Bxyb5cUdpKciiYEIsGbRWPzdJ9FtlMYlbuk6JADTwMrVS2xjpwrZNJUL7R7jTK7jGgGA7v7jPCjUOybcuI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=l1yqwBbb8/CVKCAHtysBM0jiHFZU4ZP9kgEVPeDrbhhzi0QdUD9DRjkPLzChrw2bTApG4o460z6bNEn6X53SnPStOWgY2QGz18S3PTa3QA+XjxpEcpHe4EoJBEEt1H5KFr/erNBlg9FDLjG2mYckchEt/K1mytGuZCMPz5oE7hU= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:59:53 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" Subject: OT: Ableton xp to mac MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74553 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:00:28 +0000 (UTC) hi there! quite possibly some of you had to deal with this before... how easy/difficult is to port a windows live saved project to macworld live or viceversa? raul. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 00:39:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A72B23BF67; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46EC7B2B.2000309@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:39:07 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <091420072031.18220.46EAEF86000D60BD0000472C2215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <091420072031.18220.46EAEF86000D60BD0000472C2215567074020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74554 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 00:39:11 +0000 (UTC) If I can chime in here... I'm definitely the worst placed person to comment on "Evil Behringer" and their habit of reverse engineering. I did it myself... reverse engineer the Behringer FCB. Not with any commercial purpose (what would that be: to make a cheaper clone of the Behringer products??) , no, just because the Big Behr didn't show any interest in solving (or even admitting) some reported firmware bugs. That's how UnO was born. I don't think it harmed anyone - it's freely downloadable, but so are Behringers own firmware updates. It might even be possible that Behringer sold a few extra units of their popular FCB1010 with the outcome of UnO (especially if you look at the UnO forum, which has been steadily growing toward the current 1600 users...) Now on the other hand, gathering feature requests for UnO also learned me a lot about what features many users need (and don't find in current foot controllers). That's what made me decide to design a new foot controller. From scratch. Completely different firmware concept (except for many of the UnO features which were not available in the Behringer product). Completely different mechanical concept too. I just wanted to grab the occasion to mention that these GORDIUS Little Giant foot controllers have been "officially released to market" earlier today. (I hope you don't mind my mentioning it. As the topic of this thread was "most programmable midi foot controller"...) Cheers, Xavier aka Ossan Dust http://www.gordius.be midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Wow. > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Tony K" > >> The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds some >> features (like Stompbox mode) >> >> http://www.ossandust.be/ >> >> >> -- >> -==-=-=- >> Tony >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: Most programmable midi foot controller > From: > "Tony K" > Date: > Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:40 +0000 > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes some bugs and adds > some features (like Stompbox mode) > > http://www.ossandust.be/ > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony From mike@java.singcat.com Sun Sep 16 03:23:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 108811 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:23:31 UTC Received: from java.singcat.com (a2.f2.2945.static.theplanet.com [69.41.242.162]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 043033BF2E for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mike by java.singcat.com with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IVCxw-0007ul-9v for looparc@loopers-delight.com; Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:08:12 +0700 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: You've received A Hallmark E-Card! 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Email: uknl.claimsdept@hotmail.com Tel: +44 701 114 8691 Yours Truly Sir Mark Dulle(Online Coordinator) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:01:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BCAC83BF52; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <008401c7f82f$658588f0$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <380-2200793122128433@M2W039.mail2web.com> <000101c7f5b4$24ed0520$6ec70f60$@com> <20070913050150.539C614DB9@ns4.tnt21.com> Subject: Re: SemiOT: Roland VG-99 vs GuitarRig3 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 02:59:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:04:38.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8B9E000:01C7F82F] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74555 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:01:24 +0000 (UTC) please do not send any more e-mails. i want out of this club.thanks.jm ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul" To: Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:01 AM Subject: Re: SemiOT: Roland VG-99 vs GuitarRig3 > the vg99 is still not available in north america.... > > Paul Haslem > Ontario, Canada > www.dulcify.ca > > > > At 11:14 PM 9/12/2007, you wrote: >>Has anyone had a chance to try or compare the VG-99 or the new GR3 ? >> >>-Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:14:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 743453BF52; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <00ba01c7f831$2dd77790$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <003601c7ed7c$f2c828c0$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:13:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7F80F.9DC1F340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:16:41.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[87BDFE50:01C7F831] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74556 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:14:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7F80F.9DC1F340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i want to unsubscribe to loopers delight...thanks...j.m. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jeff Duke=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight your right michael, er, ah, I voted 2 to keep it like it "IS" not what = it was......trick question, I demand a recount!.........Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Nemoguitt@aol.com=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:33 PM Subject: Re: POLL about OffTopic Posts at Loopers Delight i find this poll a bit late.....there is an LDOT group already set = up .......michael=20 www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at = http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour=20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- No virus found in this incoming message. 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    Bank of America Online Banking Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:17:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A526A3BF81; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:17:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <00d401c7f831$b21205c0$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <103901c7ec5c$f313dca0$fbb1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: PayPlay Digital Sales (CD Baby) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:17:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C7F810.21A6C050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:18:37.0015 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC6D4E70:01C7F831] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74557 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:17:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C7F810.21A6C050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i want to unsubscribe...NOW ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Rev Fever=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: PayPlay Digital Sales (CD Baby) Hear! Hear! I fully agree with Ted's comments! (Shameless Promotion Dept.) Thanx to the Baby, my first ELEMENTAL CD, "Lux Aeternae" has finally = SOLD OUT! DD sales will still be available, but I am not sure if I will be able = to re-issue it as a physical product?=20 As usual, $$ is TIGHT. (Oh well, at least I have a home and am not living under a bridge = somewhere, and are not starving,etc. Life COULD be worse, so always COUNT yer blessings! ) I also am a little antsy about self-producing CDrs of it, but might(?) = look into that later. I have heard that CDrs are not always reliable to be played on just = any CD player anywhere.=20 Is that still true? (OR...?) But now, my 2nd one, "Thee Divine Imagination" continues to sell, both = DD and as a physical product. I guess the time has come for a new ELEMENTAL. I would be up for = doin' that. Eventually... :-) -Rev. Fever On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote: Kris, Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful?=20 I cannot recommend their services highly enough. They're terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon too). They've opened more sales doors for me than almost anything else. I need to get another CD out . . . someday. My one and only solo disk so far was from 2001. I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule similar to yours. Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . and schedule. That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually a little = nervous about starting another. I gotta get over that. tEd =AE KiLLiAn Different is not always better, but better is always different"=20 Flux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D= 6378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music = Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&i= d=3D1211970 00042=20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20 On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this case = digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name pop up = on a Google search. This just popped up. Apparently, a few of my CDs = are available in MP3 format now, complete with re-produced CD artwork = with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no idea. http://payplay.fm/artist/Krispen+Hartung Kris ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C7F810.21A6C050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    i want to = unsubscribe...NOW
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Rev=20 Fever
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Saturday, September 01, = 2007 2:24=20 PM
    Subject: Re: PayPlay Digital = Sales (CD=20 Baby)

    Hear! Hear!  I fully agree with Ted's  = comments!

    (Shameless Promotion Dept.)
    Thanx to the Baby, my first ELEMENTAL CD, "Lux Aeternae"  = has=20 finally SOLD OUT!
    DD sales will still be available, but I am not sure if I will be = able to=20 re-issue it as a physical product? 
    As usual, $$ is TIGHT.

    (Oh well, at least I have a home and am not living under a bridge = somewhere, and are not starving,etc.
    Life COULD be worse, so always COUNT yer blessings! )

    I also am a little antsy about self-producing CDrs of it, but = might(?)=20 look into that later.
    I have heard that CDrs are not always reliable to be played on = just any=20 CD player anywhere. 
    Is that still true?  (OR...?)

    But now, my 2nd one, "Thee Divine Imagination" continues to = sell,=20 both DD and as a physical product.

    I guess the time has come for a new ELEMENTAL.  I would be = up for=20 doin' that. Eventually... :-)

    -Rev. Fever

    On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:22 AM, tEd =AE KiLLiAn wrote:
    Kris,

    Yep. . . . ain't CD Baby wunderful? 

    I cannot recommend their services highly = enough.

    They're terrific (and they're in Portland, Oregon = too).

    They've opened more sales doors for me than almost anything = else.

    I need to get another CD out . . . someday.

    My one and only solo disk so far was from = 2001.

    I imagined I'd be poppin' 'em out on a schedule similar to=20 yours.

    Life has a way of reorganizing one's priorities . . . and=20 schedule.

    That and the first CD turned out so well, I'm actually a = little=20 nervous about starting another.

    I gotta get over that.

    tEd =AE KiLLiAn

    Different is not always = better, but better=20 is always different" 
     
    Flux Aeterna: 
    http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAl= bum?playListId=3D6378076 

    Also check out the 1st set = of BEMF (Boise=20 Experimental Music Festival) CDs at: 
    http://www.boi= semusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm 
     
    http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.h= tml 
    http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/ted= killian 
    http://www.guitar9.com/f= luxaeterna.html 
    http://www.garageban= d.com/artist/ArsOcarina 
    http://w= ww.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 
    http://= www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 
    http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 
    http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.= cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970
    00042 
     
    Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" = is also=20 available at: Apple iTunes, 
    BuyMusic, Rhapsody, = MusicMatch, MusicNet,=20 DiscLogic, Napster, 
    AudioLunchbox, Lindows, = QTRnote,=20 Music4Cents, Etherstream, 
    RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony = Connect,=20 CatchMusic, Puretracks, 
    and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, = yadda. Blah,=20 blah, blah. So??? 

    On Aug 31, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Krispen Hartung = wrote:

    It's interesting when you sign up for something - in this = case=20 digital sales via CD Baby - and forget it until you see your name = pop up=20 on a Google search.  This just popped up. =  Apparently, a=20 few of my CDs are available in MP3 format now, complete with = re-produced=20 CD artwork with cut lines, etc. Amazing. I had no = idea.

     

    http://payplay.fm/artis= t/Krispen+Hartung

     

    Kris


    ------=_NextPart_000_00CC_01C7F810.21A6C050-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:19:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 575A83BF9B; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:19:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <00dd01c7f831$ec7ba2c0$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <037a01c7f0bf$4e2b9f90$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: OT: Jazz Tone & Selling my Paul Reed Smith Archtop I Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:19:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:21:17.0343 (UTC) FILETIME=[2BFD6AF0:01C7F832] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74558 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:19:25 +0000 (UTC) i unsubscribe from this list..NOW...OK?? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Jazz Tone & Selling my Paul Reed Smith Archtop I > On 6 sep 2007, at 21.51, Krispen Hartung wrote: >> selling my Paul Reed Smith McCarty Archtop I hollow body guitar. > > > Ouch! How I admired that guitar at the loopfest last year! I would > definitely keep it if I were you. Makes your shirts look better ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:27:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66A323BFA7; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:27:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <00f001c7f833$15e1f960$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <004e01c7f45f$ddd3bc60$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> <9797DAFA-E9DB-4463-BC06-EC578E1349FE@gmail.com> Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:27:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:29:33.0906 (UTC) FILETIME=[53F6EB20:01C7F833] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74559 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:27:44 +0000 (UTC) poor bugger never did get a grip on the arp 2600, trying looking cool with 2 ..2600's just made it more pitifull...see ya joe...MICMANUS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 7:59 AM Subject: Re: OT: goodbye Joe Zawinul > On 11 sep 2007, at 12.38, Michael Peters wrote: > >> I bet he has also used loops now and then, but I don't know. Zawinul >> just >> died at age 75 in Vienna. Thanks for the wonderful music, Joe. >> >> -Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > > Dammit! He was brilliant! What a waste... ;-( > > His phrasing have been echoing within my own playing. As I usually want > to fight back influences I happen to pick up from other musicians I have > never felt that way about Zawinul. Maybe because his greatness did not > draw on "ego" but rather expressing some universal musicality....? > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:30:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2608F3BFAC; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.208.60.185] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: <00f301c7f833$8878ff00$b93cd0d8@mcdonald> Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: References: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A7204E7E5C3@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Subject: Re: OT fretless Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:30:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Sep 2007 07:31:50.0546 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5688720:01C7F833] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74560 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:30:56 +0000 (UTC) i think jaco was more interested in glassing his brain,then his frettboard....MICMANUS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: RE: OT fretless >>I see no reason to use epoxy,it's not removeable and will change the resonant character of the wood,as it doesn't flex the same way If you think you need a hard finish,a standard finish from plyuerathane to nitro cullulose should work fine.<< I can't speak for jaco, but many other bassists who've defretted their instruments, especially ones that they like, are concerned about the deleterious effects of roundwound strings on the unprotected wood. I have a few fretless necks myself where a couple of years of using r/w strings has left it's mark on the fingerboard. eventually, this interferes with the playing action, causing buzzes & so forth. I think jaco realised this when he acquired his first fretless bass- the frets had been taken out by a previous owner ("it looked like someone had taken a hatchet to it!"). his response was to try to get a finish like glass, which with the roundwound strings he used resulted in the distinctive bright sound he wanted, actually much closer to the sound of a fretted instrument than some of the fretless basses that have come along since. so if I want my fretless rickenbacker (a professionally defretted 4001) to sound like a regular 4001, with roundwound strings & no long-term fingerboard damage, then epoxy is probably the way to go. the trick is to stop the wood from soaking up too much of the liquid, & persuade the coating to stay on the surface..... d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 07:48:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52CDA3BF95; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:48:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ypMcvzUksGM9hGEgzQAAycCfJCVPbC5wGC78NDht5yQ=; b=oqqVAz929EA1STcWMRcCEuPhlzoBHS44v1eOnwhX4ev2poW7NiOJiPGeansplJLk17xBupss8I6Y8br2un40mTDmYm/r04lAA6frqMVmsTgA6g80/GmwhwWSJQZM17ma+S0VAKH1DICySFLkh7/A7mGRLti4YE/G7XTm9SBfUvQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZdmGqVveMrXu5vpwAsB3R3w3nwPaKHCVhW3I7QXtmLGXVswOFkps1Xo+OtdvKhUS+ziSuQbwR62f6VX4Lmg6REGYZyNBLgyqfcOWH44DqBnwRUyzOB+nFdeHffhxgnJMB07w/imuQWiaCO+TjLa9gHMr07V5UBkiydn2tnzKK60= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Ableton xp to mac Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:48:02 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74561 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:48:08 +0000 (UTC) On 16 sep 2007, at 01.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi there! > > quite possibly some of you had to deal with this before... > > how easy/difficult is to port a windows live saved project to > macworld live or viceversa? > > raul. Not difficult at all (if you mean "open" the project, that is. "Porting" is something the developer of the application does to the code). The Windows and Mac version of Live are exactly the same (except for the extra MIDI channels built into the OS X, that also appear at Live's MIDI in and output slots on a Mac). You may not even need to save it as a project. Saving as a new set under a new name is usually sufficient. Recorded audio files will be copied into the "Recorded" folder of the new set. Quoting the manual: >> In Live, there is no need to manually create Projects, as they are >> automatically built for you. >> When you save a Live Set under a new name or in a new folder >> location, Live will create a >> new project folder and store the Live Set there >> existing Live Project. If you are planning to open the set on another computer that doesn't have the same Live Sample Library you may use "Collect All And Save". Quoting the manual: > The File menu's Collect All and Save command is a shortcut that > collects and saves all > external samples referenced by the current Set, including those > from the Library. Note > that this can cause a lot of copying, especially when the Library > contains large multisample > collections! Over here I use the same hard drives for Mac and Windows, so I just move the firewire drive between Mac and Windows boxes and work on the Live Sets from the system most suitable at the moment. But in order to make that possible you need to extend your Windows boxes with a little application called MacDrive. MacDrive enables Window to read OS X formatted drives. This saves me a lot of working time because OS X formatted drives do not get fragmented as NTSF and FAT does, given you use them on a Mac now and then (OS X defrags automatically when leaving the computer on overnight). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 08:10:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CBD4F3BF94; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46ECE7A2.8000608@unguitar.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:21:54 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74562 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Hi, I have had the wonderful news that Gordius is ready to ship their footcontrollers. I am waiting for mine next week and potentially it is going to be the most interesting out there ( features/programmability/silent switches....). I will let you know. my best, Luca www.unguitar.com James Richmond wrote: > Hi all, > > I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, no undo > required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all the time. > I am trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally > something that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable > per pedal. > > That is it really, but the devil is in the details. > I have a couple of foot controllers already- that can send CC > messages, which kinda works except with one the 1/2 speed CC is in a > different bank (so I have to press bank up, and bank down all the > time), the other is not able to be set to specify specific values for > the CC messages, so it seems to alternate between sending 0 and 127 > for each controller number, which means I have to press each button > twice to get a result, sometimes not. > > All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, Overdub, Half Speed > and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems like a pretty simple > requirement. > I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but it is > $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi. > > Does anyone have any other options for me? > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > > > > __________ Informazione NOD32 2530 (20070914) __________ > > Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 > http://www.nod32.it > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 08:11:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 31E5D3BFB1; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Roo0ISqwvkYEzXYbQZXR0pW1iASujkL39fCcpP6Pf4v1jqz7F+IN83xP/Gpb6AVZiCrh95Vw1v0n/vWectX05VGzaDNrwAwT/9zWRgdf01J8umSXMfVmOjokzjoMuDrkY9/iXWQPtf7Uyev5xchorA5LADMcYf1xRgtcupiduqg=; X-YMail-OSG: 4XI5OL8VM1mEgYpfROMbpvd2qd6N0D.293Wto.kIMWngRHZODBa8WXzbe3uRt41OcYUYHbNLtrA1CYuOPhUHanKTOQV9rghjLwkvgWEmzlwPHb4lZ0zHgzROl.f1bw-- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:11:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <27C0220E-2528-4B97-A956-E8DE7F5D6A49@bartholomusic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <110983.37660.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2lCznB.A.9x.-UO7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74563 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Hey Jim, I had the echo pro at one point and programmed all this functions u want with the FCB1010 and worked really well. cheers Luis > > On Sep 14, 2007, at 10:13 AM, James Richmond wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff > really, no undo > > required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all > the time. > > I am trying to find a more flexible midi foot > controller, ideally > > something that can be used to send midi note > messages, programmable > > per pedal. > > > > That is it really, but the devil is in the > details. > > I have a couple of foot controllers already- that > can send CC > > messages, which kinda works except with one the > 1/2 speed CC is in > > a different bank (so I have to press bank up, and > bank down all the > > time), the other is not able to be set to specify > specific values > > for the CC messages, so it seems to alternate > between sending 0 and > > 127 for each controller number, which means I have > to press each > > button twice to get a result, sometimes not. > > > > All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, > Overdub, Half > > Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems > like a pretty > > simple requirement. > > I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot > controller, but it is > > $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi. > > > > Does anyone have any other options for me? > > > > Regards, > > > > Jim Richmond > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 08:16:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0FDEA3BF95; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=5hdu1rslF0L63DhedDvAs3hQYs6aEWTbVl3qkWAGN8Sn+FcbGC3CjHU6r7I6QCeGONlDxV4t/uvMiKhPp/anrDPC75OdZF7U0sjrGGS4y8ikeufB07BB0kyC23ebhHbovQmbg4r4TB0sPF4mXrm9ULi5dlbQyFgF5vi6Ib+ez48=; X-YMail-OSG: UtyG2WsVM1mqjmGknRJf5rnRM6F0WWihRfZJgdrzjI126kfYqX3j1WusjFpSPrzm7Ecg6xJLtWqTpGx3Y_2C1ASepbs5aHavMz6mJ5Yrd9uIHhDkRewMu4mSFMl9Hw-- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 01:16:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller To: info@gordius.be, Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46EC7B2B.2000309@gordius.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74564 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Gang i think our dream has finally come true http://www.gordius.be/pics/gordius-little-giant_lg1.JPG and i am very excited about reading its reviews,gotta start saving my pennies now! Luis --- GORDIUS info wrote: > If I can chime in here... I'm definitely the worst > placed person to > comment on "Evil Behringer" and their habit of > reverse engineering. I > did it myself... reverse engineer the Behringer FCB. > Not with any commercial purpose (what would that be: > to make a cheaper > clone of the Behringer products??) , no, just > because the Big Behr > didn't show any interest in solving (or even > admitting) some reported > firmware bugs. That's how UnO was born. I don't > think it harmed anyone - > it's freely downloadable, but so are Behringers own > firmware updates. It > might even be possible that Behringer sold a few > extra units of their > popular FCB1010 with the outcome of UnO (especially > if you look at the > UnO forum, which has been steadily growing toward > the current 1600 users...) > Now on the other hand, gathering feature requests > for UnO also learned > me a lot about what features many users need (and > don't find in current > foot controllers). That's what made me decide to > design a new foot > controller. From scratch. Completely different > firmware concept (except > for many of the UnO features which were not > available in the Behringer > product). Completely different mechanical concept > too. I just wanted to > grab the occasion to mention that these GORDIUS > Little Giant foot > controllers have been "officially released to > market" earlier today. (I > hope you don't mind my mentioning it. As the topic > of this thread was > "most programmable midi foot controller"...) > > Cheers, > Xavier aka Ossan Dust > http://www.gordius.be > > > midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > Wow. > > -------------- Original message > ---------------------- > > From: "Tony K" > > > >> The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that > fixes some bugs and adds some > >> features (like Stompbox mode) > >> > >> http://www.ossandust.be/ > >> > >> > >> -- > >> -==-=-=- > >> Tony > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: > > Re: Most programmable midi foot controller > > From: > > "Tony K" > > Date: > > Fri, 14 Sep 2007 20:19:40 +0000 > > To: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > To: > > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > > > > > The's an UnO chip available for the FCB that fixes > some bugs and adds > > some features (like Stompbox mode) > > > > http://www.ossandust.be/ > > > > > > -- > > -==-=-=- > > Tony > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? 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Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 08:45:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 019933BF15; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:45:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Zi+W1lFu99UiYehLyEI1Lujz7lHrVOsYZPh/lu3/DyQ=; b=qsFAGkYOL0zRU4cQ26FC7z5U6oMBoJSlAdnqGqWa1XC1DyZZjwhx94jyf4VPZ4K5PoeEUqSbeGH6awgzPjvrLcpKfqXPRBRRx68VwwLd5xUezR+tSrCSc69t45w0kkZkZ5qH9Wy8eGEtTPhG9L7OhWqdJc5018F0bmuuQjgwMHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=RgWOKoLwRIp3y26LptfWGxU3rfl/1zgeObQlQqRKkjiZmjTpVEAiYz6SZ4Uegy9YldxR6ynqI2SaZeO4OgLY3xOzVqFk01hNM5IXs8XYbJ1uRd7E3CVRrRjKJKKkNuWlpdvoqVjQ5W63tvOsPULOnC5/is2j48UW1Fr4CxuHBCM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:45:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74565 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 08:45:51 +0000 (UTC) On 16 sep 2007, at 10.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > Gang i think our dream has finally come true > > http://www.gordius.be/pics/gordius-little-giant_lg1.JPG > > and i am very excited about reading its reviews,gotta > start saving my pennies now! > Luis Hi Luis, Yes, I have also been monitoring these nice products. The Little Giant, on your linked picture, has the perfect dimensions for me. But unfortunately I have to say that the lack of expression pedal support is a show stopper for me. The Little Giant Module supports expression pedals, though. But this module seems to be targeted as an "add-on" to a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. It's just that most musicians don't have a problem with the FCB not having enough functions but simply with the FCB being too big. Too bad this company did not research the market properly. Great products except for that. However, eventually you may be able to run the Little Giant Module as an extension to their own Little Giant, something I can't find out by the web site? The closest is this hint: "Obviously, this module can serve equally well with other foot controllers". If those two can be run in tandem it might provide expression pedals with the Little Giant. I'd like such a set-up ;-) Did anyone find information on the wight of these boards? A big deal when shopping stuff like this is to keep your performance rig in the cabin luggage when traveling by air (you can play a gig without your extra shirts and shampoo, if checked in luggage gets delayed). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 09:30:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F2FA23BFA6; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46ECF7BA.9040709@gordius.be> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:30:34 +0200 From: GORDIUS info Reply-To: info@gordius.be User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74566 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:30:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi Per, I believe one of the big problems of the Gordius company (read : me..) is that "they" are not good at documentation and advertizing. One day I hope I'll be able to hire someone to do this in a decent manner. So the current manual and papers must have mislead you somehow : the Little Giant does support 2 external expression pedals, the Big Little Giant supports 4 of them. The module also has connections for 2 external expression pedals, which can be programmed separate from the 2 built-in pedals of the FCB, so in that case you also have 4 independent continuous controllers. It is logical that building an own expression pedal, matched to the foot controllers, is one of the next things on my list - but won't be the really near future. The importance of expression pedal support is one of the things I learned from you guys shortly after subscribing to this list. So the (slightly distant) future will also bring some more advanced support for this, like customizable response curves, using higher resolution than the standard 7-bit, etc... Apart from that, indeed there will be support for chaining several Little Giants (or foot controller + module) together - just some extra work to do in order to finalize this "chaining" scenario. Maybe have another look at the "GORDIUS Little Giant Interconnection scenarios" document which you find in the download section of the Gordius website. Weight of the units is mentioned in one of the appendices of the user manual : LG-M (module) = 0.7 kg, LG (footcontroller) 2.25 kg, LG-X (extended foot controller) 3kg Thanks for the interest and best regards, Xavier Per Boysen wrote: > On 16 sep 2007, at 10.16, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> >> Gang i think our dream has finally come true >> >> http://www.gordius.be/pics/gordius-little-giant_lg1.JPG >> >> and i am very excited about reading its reviews,gotta >> start saving my pennies now! >> Luis > > > Hi Luis, > > Yes, I have also been monitoring these nice products. The Little > Giant, on your linked picture, has the perfect dimensions for me. But > unfortunately I have to say that the lack of expression pedal support > is a show stopper for me. > > The Little Giant Module supports expression pedals, though. But this > module seems to be targeted as an "add-on" to a Behringer FCB1010 > pedal. It's just that most musicians don't have a problem with the FCB > not having enough functions but simply with the FCB being too big. Too > bad this company did not research the market properly. Great products > except for that. > > However, eventually you may be able to run the Little Giant Module as > an extension to their own Little Giant, something I can't find out by > the web site? The closest is this hint: "Obviously, this module can > serve equally well with other foot controllers". If those two can be > run in tandem it might provide expression pedals with the Little > Giant. I'd like such a set-up ;-) > > Did anyone find information on the wight of these boards? A big deal > when shopping stuff like this is to keep your performance rig in the > cabin luggage when traveling by air (you can play a gig without your > extra shirts and shampoo, if checked in luggage gets delayed). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 09:35:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F2733BF9B; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 606756859-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.165.204 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KABqW7EZPQqXM/2dsb2JhbACCJ6JQ Message-ID: <46ECF922.9070908@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:36:34 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller References: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6dRpWC.A.WQD.mjP7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74567 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Per Boysen wrote: > The Little Giant Module supports expression pedals, though. But this > module seems to be targeted as an "add-on" to a Behringer FCB1010 pedal. > It's just that most musicians don't have a problem with the FCB not > having enough functions but simply with the FCB being too big. Too bad > this company did not research the market properly. Great products except > for that. > > However, eventually you may be able to run the Little Giant Module as an > extension to their own Little Giant, something I can't find out by the > web site? The closest is this hint: "Obviously, this module can serve > equally well with other foot controllers". If those two can be run in > tandem it might provide expression pedals with the Little Giant. I'd > like such a set-up ;-) > The standalone Little Giant has 2 expression pedal inputs. Essentially it's the module with some switches added. The Big Little Giant has 4 expression pedal inputs, but it's big. Not possible to calibrate the expression pedal inputs. It's possible to re-assign the expression pedals with a button press, but not clear if (like with Behringer) you have to then program the exp peds for every button press you want to use. All 3 products are based around the same "brain", which is the LG Module. It's not easy to find the info for looping suitability on the site, needs reference to the downloadable manual. It's possible to program each press (and each release) to send whatever stream of midi commands you'd like. ...but Sysex is not available until it's added in a future update. Firmware updates should be available for free download. (but unclear if this only works with pc) Device works as a midi interface on mac pc linux Editor software for pc only (so far, a ports are promised). prices and weights Module $500 0.7Kg Little Giant standalone $700 2.25Kg Big Little Giant $1000 3Kg No figures for latency available ( that's a deal breaker) A weight in KG would Not cheap. .................but looks really good Anyone want to weigh and FCB1010 for comparison? andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 09:57:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 028803BFA3; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=mLQuI2QWu6kHiXaN0wVjtjLdMedaLnfZ/EH43of9w/A=; b=RhzFhPa9Y5UQaFHODP6kwcAv9gxSE6ayzuA2SP0+OY40AgcKV0PZdMQfQiqgCIlXHPNKrgnEyUt15K23xCenthGCfIo3oQH5WLxE4og15XATzqZ5U9tjCtgvCqcW0mR5JmntUJ7LYQqtTP3iFVwknKFYOxHHZYYJLHxJ7BCPOV4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NeeXxrkuyYp04zsSz6QfUgnOZ9Rptxrwx4wfegXnXOG0ECpPBAmb4vrEphfnFoYRDmB5d1x4IacpXEbw8dB3S4QteD/PkWusnBrwWgZfWWesXpxTAVVGj412jaN+AIScrdvuXsXBfgByketbM42dYvu+B77j45YTuI6a0gmmICY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46ECF922.9070908@tiscali.co.uk> References: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46ECF922.9070908@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F117AFC-E4B0-45B6-AEE0-5F5A43EC86E8@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: GORDIUS (Re: Most programmable midi foot controller) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:57:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74568 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:57:32 +0000 (UTC) On 16 sep 2007, at 11.36, andy butler wrote: > prices and weights > Module $500 0.7Kg > Little Giant standalone $700 2.25Kg > Big Little Giant $1000 3Kg > > No figures for latency available ( that's a deal breaker) > > A weight in KG would > > Not cheap. > .................but looks really good The expensive price tag may pay for itself when you travel with it. > Anyone want to weigh and FCB1010 for comparison? My FCB is 4.0 kg. But, as said, an important factor is also the size. It seems you can fly with a Little Giant in the cabin luggage. That's a strong point. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 10:55:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F09733BFA3; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Looping Survey - status report Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:56:14 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf4UDMUOO3Rm9WyStaqP6OddVy9Cg== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0l4W2C285g= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <2Fjrx.A.hNF.2uQ7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74569 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:55:50 +0000 (UTC) Thanks to all of you who already took the survey at http://tinyurl.com/23csuj (so far, there were 42 responses) and also provided valuable feedback (re: Looperlative). Now some 36 hours after it had been put online, I'm gonna give you a quick status report...have fun! The explanations to the data come directly from looking at the survey, if you haven't done so already, I suggest you just take the survey - it won't take you more than five minutes or so. Thank you! Age and looping experience: The largest age group (>52%) is 35-50, with the >50 coming in second with 31%. No one under 20 years so far. More than 2/3 of the population have more than 5 years of looping experience under their belt. Ensemble settings, improvisation, "intensity" of looping and usage of looping: All of the participants use looping in a solo setting, with close to 60% also using it in ensemble settings. Over 95% use looping in all of or a substantial part of their work. More than 3/4 use free improvisation in their looping work. The most important applications of looping are layering of parts on the same and on different instruments (93% and 69% respectively) and bringing structure to improvised material (also 69%). This somehow relates to the question Warren asked some time ago regarding free improvisation and using looping to structure it: Obviously, around 70% use looping in freely improvised material and see looping as a possibility to structure it. Explain looper: 1/3 would explain a looper as "some kind of delay", followed by 31% who would explain it as "some kind of sampler". HW vs. SW: More than 71% prefer hardware loopers. HW loopers: The top3 usage-wise are the EDP (close to 55%), followed by a draw between Repeater and Lexicon Vortex (both 43%). The best-liked HW looper (and here I only considered devices with more than 6 votes) is also the EDP (with an average of over 90%), followed by the repeater (77%) and the Headrush series (71%). It's interesting to see here that while the majority of EDP users (74%) rate it "++", the rating seen most often (67%) for the Repeater is "+". SW loopers: Most-used are Ableton Live (38%), Mobius (36%) and MAX/MSP (19%). Rating-wise, the top of the heap is very crowded: Mobius (89%) beats AugustusLoop (85%) and MAX/MSP (82%). SUMMARY: Not so many big surprises here. The looping community (at least those who took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat aged) group, which also might explain the relatively low likes for software loopers. All of us use looping "to play with ourselves", and a big majority are free improvisers. Equipment-wise, the EDP still rules both with regard to number of users and users ratings. In the software domain, the ratings for Mobius and AugustusLoop also don't offer an answer to the "Windows or Mac" question. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 10:57:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D64DE3BFAF; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=GzhTill2iEEAEHc6oKlg/xCRtrW+gTI5k0l0PdVWSAhQR9pSGBl5idFh43aDiJZNGB42PWP5+LhvpJ3+4R5HpmJmnnfz+AqbiQsAKFPHpKSDH+4JSIsu9t4fDQ/spNI+MpWf+foNJSNAwsAt+HTyzIsaWuH7+ZpUU80OD/QqYpI=; X-YMail-OSG: z_JvgWgVM1lEr.twqxiCl06ARGcDj01MktGaDcynEGgtOXsYtOXIMAVOhHqB17_8c_wD6dM8x1fbK1nImLiF4ufgVS_EKe_pCqCYMN0k4jtnHTVHoBvWlCOkzuIXdA-- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Voodo Dancer loop- Luis Angulo/Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00c401c7f6c1$169d3130$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <498728.99402.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74570 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 10:57:18 +0000 (UTC) This is a little loop i did with Ricks colaboration back in 2003, i had lost it actually and i ma glad to have found it and thought id post it for those interested. http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm I used the echoplex with an initial soundscape and synched it to a conga groove then sent it to Rick who added the first thunder drum loop and special FXs,then he sent it back to me and i synched it to my an african drum loop i programmed in my DR.660(which i eventually sold) Rick, remember? cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 12:13:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7D7843BFA4; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=KItiAJUAS964sjr0h+zGXyuUyLwgfIaEnj7ZTPY9SWo=; b=r1m+9ghcQ0chJWe3Zufyz0Mh5+mcWHO6JJUmoeLymljBWlRlIBrqNt09B4lXHr5PSwNoW/hEAwCwCekkWFG5V3Z5GZ8lEzguxQblW/yzwUdxw0G0OyAGTDcdetm2dzXQ6SYWWLchF+if1fE6LRG+j/1ZuJa5iyeAJiuHYTmDqG8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=Uy4qS9NOZfHnTYhif3kpqz7YymAA6pKOX99Ya5eoQUBDk/dw53nK6DTLYEnSF8Z2qs0xQ88IHQ3wJSV9kF6zZUBn9BFbIHxK5V1wvyaL6vQ2nhR2B4WyNdmjoI3+jv3cAJpwo36lk9qyMXw4o+mIWT12DEWogXxG4tf4owDGRJw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 13:13:02 +0100 From: kanguru007@gmail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Rico Loop's performance in BarcelonaBB MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74571 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Hi. I'm new to the list. Greetings to all. I saw Rico 'Loop' perform in Barcelona's Bread and Butter with an RC-50. It was a lot more fun than the demos I found on the web. Barcelona is hot in all senses of the word. Anyone knows if a video of that performance can be found? A couple of people were filming... K. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 12:30:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 109D03BFA6; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:30:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Yiobj5dq+K/xXMeRCbpqVHL2JktOtXc0P6Jer0KGsSSstOKQEN5KICiHN7sFaL7P0GUtiVATyC3L1xwK41NWSLACtKV6dTO6OvKlAa6wQQwZbp4XHb/BoDIrbSxroyFCieXxJwiNCnhXR1CYexaNIR7YUe7ZFy05eOKswoPRzHY=; X-YMail-OSG: Olb7GIMVM1nkVHGFuDpoZ.S8bBYTVHRI8k6PfnVVEgcTpSEHS.izsDk6oJRzvYcpOQkkKhbTL.rH4XJ1LSKxqL0qjsyBOleo1.E_oU83itMTIpgy9xM- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 05:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Nelson Subject: Old dog, new JamMan (was: Looping Survey - status report) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <772023.79834.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74572 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 12:30:39 +0000 (UTC) --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > The largest age group (>52%) is 35-50, with the >50 > coming in second with 31%. > ...The looping community (at least those who > took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat > aged) group... Heh, my father-in-law (in his mid 70's) has been a guitarist for about 60 years. He started looping on a Digitech JamMan two months ago! I take pride in the fact that he says I inspired him. :) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 16 14:21:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 393F93BF3E; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:21:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=2MZvDx+lbyTuOQBx7zRDecLel64utqbDXaMaey7RWt2DCQzsdZCuKllRY9OMGrXs5ZSA35yQE0SS37JDqhRyPtpDPvqIMD056FtyQIdLiUHz0aEB5hG9+sZrrkq+9GXTfPyDmjEp8A9SOjOUFLUEx6ODhfSMPO+b2ZX79d+eNJw=; X-YMail-OSG: BTS0hU0VM1m.fHnAiICEUSLpIrEEI5fEUNtqlNZtInNW2SRfVBfx2kP_zcerF8UyxdTSfHTUr67aYtnz7zAWqzRuAjThl7.fHg1EYQKqKcQAbUVWNopjSmCshAMjAw-- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:21:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Old dog, new JamMan (was: Looping Survey - status report) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <772023.79834.qm@web43135.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1921672406-1189952482=:13325" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <97066.13325.qm@web35115.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74573 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:21:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-1921672406-1189952482=:13325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Heck, my Dad actually told ME about Hendrix and I'm 55 years old (he was reading a copy of the Berkeley Barb my brother brought back from California). Paul Tim Nelson wrote: --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > The largest age group (>52%) is 35-50, with the >50 > coming in second with 31%. > ...The looping community (at least those who > took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat > aged) group... Heh, my father-in-law (in his mid 70's) has been a guitarist for about 60 years. He started looping on a Digitech JamMan two months ago! I take pride in the fact that he says I inspired him. :) -t- http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. --0-1921672406-1189952482=:13325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Heck, my Dad actually told ME about Hendrix and I'm 55 years old (he was reading a copy of the Berkeley Barb my brother brought back from California).
     
    Paul

    Tim Nelson <psychle62@yahoo.com> wrote:

    --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill
    wrote:

    > The largest age group (>52%) is 35-50, with the >50
    > coming in second with 31%.
    > ...The looping community (at least those who
    > took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat
    > aged) group...

    Heh, my father-in-law (in his mid 70's) has been a
    guitarist for about 60 years. He started looping on a
    Digitech JamMan two months ago! I take pride in the
    fact that he says I inspired him. :)

    -t-

    http://www.myspace.com/nimbletunes
    http://cdbaby.com/all/timnelson



    ____________________________________________________________________________________
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    Privacy Policy: To: References: <795288.69777.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <46ECF922.9070908@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46ECF922.9070908@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Gordius controllers Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:26:48 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c7f8b9$0e0cda30$2a268e90$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf4Ri//9NoSPcuiQFGIl/6oDHqVmwAcl7mg Content-Language: en-us x-cr-puzzleid: {CEE31A5D-A5FF-405B-944B-6ADC7878DD2D} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AjT2 Bi89 CN8u CZjL CvyD C7GV EMRr G3eg HBo+ IDPa Iy6v I4jF I9z/ KHVr KItC Kd4b;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{CEE31A5D-A5FF-405B-944B-6ADC7878DD2D};cQB1AGEAQABvAHIAZQBnAG8AbgAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:26:39 GMT;RwBvAHIAZABpAHUAcwAgAGMAbwBuAHQAcgBvAGwAbABlAHIAcwA= X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dbda007790000ca93.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74577 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 23:26:26 +0000 (UTC) I'll be very interested to hear more reports about the Gordius products from anyone on this forum. I was about to purchase a foot controller, so I was appreciating the recent thread on "most programmable" Looks like the LG could be a great product, especially with upgradability and a software editor. -Qua From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 00:58:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C4123BFAA; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <105401c7f8c5$c9e17430$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:57:56 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74578 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:58:00 +0000 (UTC) > Age and looping experience: > The largest age group (>52%) is 35-50, with the >50 coming in second with > 31%. No one under 20 years so far. > HW vs. SW: > More than 71% prefer hardware loopers. > SUMMARY: > Not so many big surprises here. The looping community (at least those who > took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat aged) group, which > also > might explain the relatively low likes for software loopers. Interesting. So you draw a correlation between older loopers and HW....suggesting that the older generation is still clinging tenaciously to hardware technology? This does makes sense, given other trends in the technology industry. I'm willing to bet that if you did this survey in another 10 years, you would have more than 50% of survey participants using SW. The percentage might be inverted, in fact. Do you know what percentage of the loopers used SW inside all those under 35? I'd like to see the distribution of SW/HW across age groups. Thanks for doing this, Rainer. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 01:15:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 202E33BFA9; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:15:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=qOqTwsgthLsTmIZhWvYqRMPKelzo4Jl7xDwWY8NjvjE=; b=S7IQ3LcVWV11rB2W1rMFFcdTGNLEKvkYqpo0E/DvuqI8e0q/8PqASHP/OIsNX/kEhyfq1alY5hZ/LjheIb1gpaDzc/Cyz99R4gCkKdY9v9IVJV3klh3H9rJbIn9oqoSCcpcAJ+qJdWCFfCmJdiSSuQ/2dnmPsnLWu4KxANKpHU0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=WxxRDWYTY902VMa5to/3O/cpHFBfbrxT7mkRsxRD+TMGEo5c8S6OaskscKSPAw7pgguPF2GLh1exsD52SmA3gGJx+pxXW27BugcgfcuCHU9zx7tM+LMTTFa6CQ8gY3QiuSiWWsj2nFWdfssN16xAh11LzgdlMD6lpwdpICBUdvc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:15:19 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Who cares about the audience (WAS: Pre-recorded material) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74579 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:15:21 +0000 (UTC) This is something that's been going around on another experimental music forum that I'm on - the idea of that trying to please a listener is in some way watering yourself down. I've thought about these things a lot. I think audiences exist for just about every type of music. I've seen crowds of over 100 come to see things I otherwise thought would be too experimental to be popular. So the listeners are now very important to me when I perform. I try to listen to my music as if I don't personally know the person who's making it. Am I getting across the ideas I want to get across? Is it something I'd enjoy listening to if I was in the audience and "some guy" was making the sounds? Sometimes it's hard to tell during the performance, so I usually try to record it for later critique. It also helps me understand when I'm sounding like what I want to be "me" and when I'm being "not me". So in some ways, caring about the listeners can be a distilling process rather than a watering-down one. I think these days applause is simply an acknowledgment that music has recently finished, rather than an indication of quality. Though if the audience applauds in an excited manner, then you usually done good. Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! http://youtube.com/user/StSanders (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) Matt On 9/13/07, Tom Washatka wrote: > I don't care about the listener or applause. It makes my life easier. I'm > the one listening. If they like it, great if they don't, oh well. I just > go out and do my best. If I tried to please the listener I wouldn't be > doing my best. > > Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 01:53:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46DA43BFA3; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070916184746.00e27490@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:55:18 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Way OT bigtime apologies!!! In-Reply-To: References: <46EC3AA5.4040305@Verizon.net> <46EC3AA5.4040305@Verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-331858B7 Resent-Message-ID: <0KPCZ.A.KSB.J4d7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74580 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 01:53:14 +0000 (UTC) Hi All, first off, thanks so very much for all of your responses! Travis is right. The Studio Vocalist EX is a different unit from the Workstation version, even though they do share the same processor... The Studio version has several more features I.E. more connections and an effects loop as well as full midi editing capability and double the memory etc... So I've been able to get a start with the workstation manual but will still need to locate THE MYSTERY MANUAL! *scary / suspenseful music plays in the background* :) Anyway, have a wonderful evening!... Smiles, CQ :) At 06:45 PM 9/15/2007 -0400, you wrote: >I think that's a different unit. The thing she's looking for is a >rackspace thing, the "Studio Vocalist EX". > >TH > >On 9/15/07, Dan Ash wrote: > > > I'm looking for a manual for a Digitech Studio Vocalist EX and not > > > only does Digitech not have it on their site, but I just can't seem to > > > locate it anywhere on the web. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: >9/11/2007 1:37 PM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.14/1001 - Release Date: 9/11/2007 1:37 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 07:33:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C8C0C3BF23; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:33:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=pLbX645V5rbrhlf7QvYxtkueIirO4XXEdEv5yIjzFp8=; b=QwxCeCGGqLfq29XrFktK+IVdE5VqPjeLXcWJo4QmJHRfESgX4ViEUmQ1CCGgKSe1OzPUAzBr9J1MvwxpXc6cJ4PFTDTc3eonRU+Ppzc/lXzvy+yPite03c/IGFiGt7HgnYSCiT9VL2InF4uX3vVKlQHQWGBOZaHvrugaGt3fxTQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=VzuMuZjgIApQf750dBjbDgzOuSsIoo6sKw83DEh1u1u1aff6XNP3MN0gXC2X5evTq9cuJE2qMC/f6k4+vtDvDRihaAjjuGU6peop9YsS7kgY7nHKZI+BZ+k6jCJIsq7lTxqS8koOE+BMxaI/785rkKsr8KK3FOx0oIE7tRiO68g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C1D4D68-3778-48FA-AEFF-94004F574038@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Noodling (was: Re: Who cares about the audience (WAS: Pre-recorded material) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:33:41 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8IursC.A.wfC.b3i7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74581 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 07:33:47 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2007, at 03.15, Matt Davignon wrote: > Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! > http://youtube.com/user/StSanders > (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) Interesting! At some points I managed to fight back the depressive effect of all this noodling and enjoyed some moments of fun, not far from watching Beavis and Buthead. But seriously, I think Jake E. Lee actually played well at the end after having tuned down a string far below "proper guitar playing pitch" ;-) Still have some shredders left there - I may get back to watch them later... What you should do with that Shredder's page is to open every video in a new browser tab and listen to everything at the same time. By the way, still on topic, I'd like to share with the community this little piece I recorded by overdubbing 176 guitar solos: http://www.boysen.se/audio/176_G5_Stratocasters.mp3 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 09:57:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AFBDA3BF85; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 613317969-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.164.121 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KANPr7UZPQqR5/2dsb2JhbACCJ6MK Message-ID: <46EE4FB5.2090802@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:58:13 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report References: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> <105401c7f8c5$c9e17430$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <105401c7f8c5$c9e17430$21b1ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74582 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:57:12 +0000 (UTC) >> SUMMARY: >> Not so many big surprises here. The looping community (at least those who >> took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat aged) group, >> which also >> might explain the relatively low likes for software loopers. > > Interesting. So you draw a correlation between older loopers and > HW....suggesting that > the older generation is still clinging tenaciously to hardware > technology? yes, for good reason.. 1) There's distinct advantages to keeping to the same setup for an extended time period. 2) Software doesn't replace the functionality of hardware, e.g. a) EDP... Mobius is great, but I couldn't do half my stuff on it. b) Vortex is way out of reach for existing software. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 11:01:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA9323BF2E; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000501c7f91a$2b4bead0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Voodo Dancer loop- Luis Angulo/Rick Walker Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 04:01:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74583 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Hey Luis, I have been struggling putting my main computer back together in the past week (4 clean installs, 2 new gigs of RAM, 2 new harddrives and a new sound card) and I haven't had anything to listen to music on for over a week so tonight's the first night I got a chance to listen to this. http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm I really like what you did with it. It's cool that it starts out with a 16th note feel and then morphs into a North African shuffle feel (love those hand claps on the shuffled notes). This is the first piece of abstract electronica I've heard you do and I think it's a line of music making that you should pursue. Nice work..................glad I could have contributed to it (though I can't , for the life of me remember what I actually sent you those few years ago). Keep it up, Carnal!!!! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 12:49:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58273BF07; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=hU8w357fGrqeLZLURvMe9JVY2dOjYBIoz5njDq7uzbYdSLqOYq2WQkw19Dtg3M+oPH79KI0v/ygJbVPDa1yrVQTs2fwA+QyaWhiH9FXeixQO1tkPe0NoGzGQmNwjF9SxGjTkgn8fWLsXvx/yHnKnyVjXd8qIsgfKZ8W6HjeTAR0=; X-YMail-OSG: UzwrVjkVM1mDGr_P5BgJQb3L4y8zrWssaaQPVKPOOgzZLykQGajD2ykf7pYw_zYumFDxU8r3eyHaj_BsC4xFjq2ZhxA0YsZRlocFbANnjHRskmIwvwQJVJzekcc- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:49:18 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74584 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:49:19 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! I want to learn more about looping and live-electronic - both the history and the technology. Where is the music and its technology is heading? Is there a musical genre (live looping)? Is it linked to Debussy? or Ambient music? What are the musicians missing in the technology of today? Why aren`t more attention paid to live looping - by musicians - comsumer`s and manufactures? Is looping an instrument? Is my guitar a part of the electronics? Where does the instrument starts and the player/musician stop? Is the tune/composition a part of the instrument or the electronics? Does the electronics change the performance? Are there different main-technics in live looping? And how does this sound and work? What are the technics that works best? Are there any? Are there some for making themes and some for making layers? And how to make the tune move head? What sets live sampling apart for other genre? The leading music academy of music in Norway teaches in live electronics? Does this mean it has become mainstream? What is there to learn? Sound - analog v.s digital signal path and the use of both - like Aarset. What`s to gain? What does looper´s use? David Torn uses three looping devices? How and why? Where does the man end and the machine starts -regarding use of live electronics? Is there a common way looper`s work? Regarding performance by looper`s - are there new interfaces to be made the will make audiences see what "happening is happening because of the performer"? How does a concert with a musician with live-electronic look from the audience view? What are live looper`s actually doing on stage - regarding what the audience can see? Are there more or less typically sounds used in this genre of music? What can be said about the interaction between man and machine - when the player must turn/move around for pushing buttons for making music? What`s the typical effects used? and how? Does looper know how they work - or has it become intuitive? And is this form of working the optimal? How does we know how we work - if its become intuitive? Where does the electronics start and the man stops when its become intuitive? How does looper`s think (cognitive style) when looping? Maybe we all could just play our instruments - and let someone else sample our playing? Ii stead of running around on stage pushing buttons? Are there new software - that will make looper get more involved in computers? Is there - in looping - a fine line between repetition and boredom? How does good looper - artists and composer deal with this technically and in building a composition? Is there a interaction between man and machine when looping? Are there ways (technics) of making loops and samples less boring or more inspiring? Significant phrase combined with less significant phrases? A hard sound combined with a soft? Are there a link from looper delight to - lets say musique concrete? Repetition by itself is a cheap trick. It doseen`t mean anything. But its a gold mine if applied with some intelligence (Steve Reich). How and technics? Phasing rhythm? Is there available literature on this? Any movies on looping - live electronics or history of electronic music? Is the computers another instrument? Todays acoustic guitar? The mac with ableton - its a performing instrument. Is Robert Henke a musician? Midi and time-keeping. The band receives midi and everybody can look on the delay lines or triggers (Mark Isham). How does artists like David Torn manipulate the loops he makes? The repeater - who and for what purpose was it made? Studio - live looper`s - hip hop artists? What was the idea? Are the looping devices good to work with - are they intuitive to work with for what loopers`s do? The Norwegian loopers/musicians like Bugge - Henriksen and Aarset - were do they got this use of looping and use of Repeaters from? The whole clubbjazz scene in Norway is looping in some kind of way? What are their roots? Repetition is beautiful not boring - (David Torn) Each loop is a performance and not static. Looping to me - its such a special feeling - its like diving into the music - my music - at the level I might be - regarding music. Its less about technics and more about make music - regardless the use of technical devices ! RF The tape looping in 60`s what impact had it on the sampling and DJ culture? Hardware v.s software. What`s the differences and what´s more or less alike when working with this gear? Combinations? What`s for the future? Are there any books/movies7articles thats deals with this questions? Per Boysen - maybe your schema could be worked on - regarding who uses what device - and for what ? Or just use our litttle time to make some more music and looping :) best regards Rune Fagereng _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 12:50:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 107423BF3D; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c7f929$69bb5ad0$4101a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <4C1D4D68-3778-48FA-AEFF-94004F574038@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Noodling (was: Re: Who cares about the audience (WAS: Pre-recorded material) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:51:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74585 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:50:53 +0000 (UTC) > > What you should do with that Shredder's page is to open every video > in a new browser tab and listen to everything at the same time. > > By the way, still on topic, I'd like to share with the community this > little piece I recorded by overdubbing 176 guitar solos: > http://www.boysen.se/audio/176_G5_Stratocasters.mp3 > Not far from recording an ebow with 176 plugins in Max Cl02 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 13:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82ADC3BF74; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=3D6biuUG3ob3O3ggP9kW4pkdEKYjxt/GyJdpS+mVUeQ=; b=jVGJZ2vQ9pysCpYFWSae+1kI6QZ7dT3/uhw6V+6IpXVj+ciZiEz8GJ0WdXhHra3ZGcVrmRMKSStXjgKqVKPkVmwCxRcZITCvyZf9E9pbD2cm32NzaIi8mxpHH15zn8D8IDbu+TuqyEtAQUiCyWRmvNdl+PTV2wGQ6j9AzHXq648= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kYBPJ9p3oVQ8qPp6o75q2qHM2Dgso0wzw760vGIlQjrVWX5AlScSUHIa+4Gg9Iiqy78AYPu6nEMnIxS2e1OEcLS/A17F4lxmpZVd08U1THBWNbXzDNDsGtbxgENzY9b2NIfsy/ril+dwWRZGwYigeg9kEXKukIC+mCW2cDco7Yk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8273C940-F52E-4198-9976-742734C1B35E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:38:55 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74586 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:39:01 +0000 (UTC) Holy Cheese, Rune! That's a really long list of highly inspiring topics! I guess this list of condensed expertise would need at least a week of daily seminaries to even scratch the surface :-) It's so massive I don't know where to start. For starters, have you researched all links at the Looper's Delight web site? There are some good texts published and some literature suggested. (not quoting the list here - se Rune's original post) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 14:27:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0E8703BF95; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c7f936$e8224a20$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <000001c7f7b2$25734860$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:27:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74587 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:27:50 +0000 (UTC) Alas, the multiple Zoom loopers/processors weren't on the list. Completed anyhoo. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Saturday, 15 September, 2007 17:04 PM Subject: Survey Time! Another LD member's survey > For anyone interested: I compiled a looping survey which treats topics of > use of looping (like do you do free improvisation etc.), as well as > equipment choices. > > The link is here: > http://tinyurl.com/23csuj > > Looking forward to the results (which I will publish here), > > Rainer > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 14:51:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCB453BFA8; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:51:31 EDT Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d4a.11a2534e.341fee73_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74588 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:51:54 +0000 (UTC) --part1_d4a.11a2534e.341fee73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/16/07 9:15:45 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: > So the listeners are now very important to me when I perform. > <> i was very surprised by many of the seemingly "anti-audience" posts over the past few daze....."i don't care what the audience thinks" etc., these were some of the most "hostile" sounding posts i'd read in a long time.....did i somehow slip into another "clubhouse".....i had thought that loopers are kind considerate feeling folk but here we had screw the audience, i play for my own amazment.....this was almost as emotionally charged as getting the "reading lists" off of LD.....:).....granted, the GREAT UNWASHED is overwhelming but am i being a bit condesending making this statement.....who am i to judge?.....it seems that if i do not care what my listeners think than i should just stay in my little studio and treat myself to my own brilliance.....there are enuf things that make people uncomfortable, daily life gets under everyone's skin be it BUSH or the dimming of the sun.....if they (the audience) made an effort to set aside their time and get off of their asses to come hear me then i should at least try to be aware of their presence.....if my first 15 min. "noise fest" did not get a thunderous reception i might try something different for the next tune.....if my "folk loops" tm did not entertain them then its grab the ring modulator.....i could be totally wrong (as usual) but i'm just an "OLD HARDWARE LUVIN" guy.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_d4a.11a2534e.341fee73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/16/07 9:15:45 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:


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    <<caring about the
    listeners can be a distilling process rather than a watering-down one.>&g= t;

    i was very surprised by many of the seemingly "anti-audience" posts over=20= the past few daze....."i don't care what the audience thinks" etc., these we= re some of the most "hostile" sounding posts i'd read in a long time.....did= i somehow slip into another "clubhouse".....i had thought that loopers are=20= kind considerate feeling folk but here we had screw the audience, i play for= my own amazment.....this was almost as emotionally charged as getting the "= reading lists" off of LD.....:).....granted, the GREAT UNWASHED is overwhelm= ing but am i being a bit condesending making this statement.....who am i to=20= judge?.....it seems that if i do not care what my listeners think than i sho= uld just stay in my little studio and treat myself to my own brilliance.....= there are enuf things that make people uncomfortable, daily life gets under=20= everyone's skin be it BUSH or the dimming of the sun.....if they (the audien= ce) made an effort to set aside their time and get off of their asses to com= e hear me then i should at least try to be aware of their presence.....if my= first 15 min. "noise fest" did not get a thunderous reception i might try s= omething different for the next tune.....if my "folk loops" tm did not enter= tain them then its grab the ring modulator.....i could be totally wrong (as=20= usual) but i'm just an "OLD HARDWARE LUVIN" guy.....:).....michael



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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_d4a.11a2534e.341fee73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:10:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8F3593BFAD; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=vrDE4rIOQtTqMzIQxcC/4k6MuBDu2RtV2kPrIE3jVb41T123Dvhu1Mp1WUe1Q9CyvYfRomOPobm9cbZBueO6I/kJYstZ2ZNu0kiGrd/+67w+Vp5NktBrCeAL7Rvwuutl4QdHyUW86tc3JI9+ioEsjRBkFPqqxN1d7kCwVpRwGFU=; X-YMail-OSG: AYJxIvIVM1n5frFNneUTsKq7MlJAlkkD7EdbLljWK0etiAnFKY70sJ39UstO88IUUXMg9Q1SEFTpU3csC_vpK0_Jks1a8y0Kt7qBIvqGHBTLNjmv1xJja1qWi.RvQw-- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Richards Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1639777389-1190041823=:31246" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <858684.31246.qm@web35106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <93yp2C.A.jqG.hjp7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74589 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:10:25 +0000 (UTC) --0-1639777389-1190041823=:31246 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My audience (two cats) hates my stuff anyway so I play what I want. Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 9/16/07 9:15:45 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes: So the listeners are now very important to me when I perform. <> i was very surprised by many of the seemingly "anti-audience" posts over the past few daze....."i don't care what the audience thinks" etc., these were some of the most "hostile" sounding posts i'd read in a long time.....did i somehow slip into another "clubhouse".....i had thought that loopers are kind considerate feeling folk but here we had screw the audience, i play for my own amazment.....this was almost as emotionally charged as getting the "reading lists" off of LD.....:).....granted, the GREAT UNWASHED is overwhelming but am i being a bit condesending making this statement.....who am i to judge?.....it seems that if i do not care what my listeners think than i should just stay in my little studio and treat myself to my own brilliance.....there are enuf things that make people uncomfortable, daily life gets under everyone's skin be it BUSH or the dimming of the sun.....if they (the audience) made an effort to set aside their time and get off of their asses to come hear me then i should at least try to be aware of their presence.....if my first 15 min. "noise fest" did not get a thunderous reception i might try something different for the next tune.....if my "folk loops" tm did not entertain them then its grab the ring modulator.....i could be totally wrong (as usual) but i'm just an "OLD HARDWARE LUVIN" guy.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --0-1639777389-1190041823=:31246 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My audience (two cats) hates my stuff anyway so I play what I want.

    Nemoguitt@aol.com wrote:

    In a message dated 9/16/07 9:15:45 PM, mattdavignon@gmail.com writes:


    So the listeners are now very important to me when I perform.
    <<caring about the
    listeners can be a distilling process rather than a watering-down one.>>

    i was very surprised by many of the seemingly "anti-audience" posts over the past few daze....."i don't care what the audience thinks" etc., these were some of the most "hostile" sounding posts i'd read in a long time.....did i somehow slip into another "clubhouse".....i had thought that loopers are kind considerate feeling folk but here we had screw the audience, i play for my own amazment.....this was almost as emotionally charged as getting the "reading lists" off of LD.....:).....granted, the GREAT UNWASHED is overwhelming but am i being a bit condesending making this statement.....who am i to judge?.....it seems that if i do not care what my listeners think than i should just stay in my little studio and treat myself to my own brilliance.....there are enuf things that make people uncomfortable, daily life gets under everyone's skin be it BUSH or the dimming of the sun.....if they (the audience) made an effort to set aside their time and get off of their asses to come hear me then i should at least try to be aware of their presence.....if my first 15 min. "noise fest" did not get a thunderous reception i might try something different for the next tune.....if my "folk loops" tm did not entertain them then its grab the ring modulator.....i could be totally wrong (as usual) but i'm just an "OLD HARDWARE LUVIN" guy.....:).....michael



    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
    http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11




    **************************************
    See what's new at http://www.aol.com

    Got a little couch potato?
    Check out fun     summer activities for kids. --0-1639777389-1190041823=:31246-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:23:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 864C03BF95; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:23:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:23:10 +0000 Message-Id: <091720071523.7329.46EE9BDE0005F6F200001CA12216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7329_1190042590_0" Resent-Message-ID: <7em6XD.A.BRH.hvp7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74590 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:23:14 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7329_1190042590_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I care. I suspect those who don't, play for free. --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7329_1190042590_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    I care. I suspect those who don't, play for free.

    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7329_1190042590_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:29:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 21AF23BFB7; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:29:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:28:47 EDT Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bd5.1790973b.341ff72f_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74591 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:29:14 +0000 (UTC) --part1_bd5.1790973b.341ff72f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: > play for free. > does this really matter? www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bd5.1790973b.341ff72f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:=


    play for free.


    does this really matter?



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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_bd5.1790973b.341ff72f_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 15:58:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C7473BFB4; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:14 +0000 Message-Id: <091720071558.12279.46EEA4160001388700002FF72216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12279_1190044694_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74592 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:58:17 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12279_1190044694_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit To the people paying it does. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Nemoguitt@aol.com In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: play for free. does this really matter? www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12279_1190044694_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    To the people paying it does.
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: Nemoguitt@aol.com

    In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes:


    play for free.


    does this really matter?



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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_12279_1190044694_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 16:44:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAC713BF74; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070917114408.msgofgwso4ko04ko@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:44:08 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74593 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:44:11 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Nemoguitt@aol.com: > > In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: > > >> play for free. >> > > does this really matter? > I don't think it matters. If a person is empathatic then that is how one is. Speaking for myself, if I take a gig, regardless of the pay, I sincerely attempt to deliver music that is a good "fit" for the event. I attempt to do so in a tasteful and creative manner. I avoid gigs that lack a prospect for a positive outcome. Indeed, there are situations where one needs thick skin. After all, there are always going to be a few rude people. I believe that to have "thick skin" and to "not care" are two different issues, though. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 16:49:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1C7C53BFAD; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070917114904.02lyt5oypwows8og@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:49:04 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience References: <091720071558.12279.46EEA4160001388700002FF72216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <091720071558.12279.46EEA4160001388700002FF72216551406020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <5R_xXD.A.pwE.DAr7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74594 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > To the people paying it does. > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Nemoguitt@aol.com > > In a message dated 9/17/07 11:23:25 AM, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: > > > > play for free. > > > > does this really matter? > To clarify, my response the "it doesn't matter" was from the musician's standpoint. (that is, whether or not I get paid, I empathize with the listeners). And part of the "empathy" is to please the person who is paying. Yep... the person paying definately cares! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 17:19:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8A83BF3F; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.10 X-EN-IMPSID: pVKU1X00B0D2B7u0000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:18:48 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070917171929.E0FFC3BF27@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74595 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:19:30 +0000 (UTC) If you are already using a PC in your setup, another option is to build your own hardware and run the controller software on the PC: http://www.creepingfog.com/mTroll/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 17:53:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8C3003BF27; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 13:46:34 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46EEBD7A.9090204@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74596 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:53:25 +0000 (UTC) I like the observation in better - I'm not just old and clinging to the familiar. I'm clinging to the familiar because the constant reinvention of the 'instrument' seems to be interfering with my musical output. ALSO, as a result of years of experience, I would suggest that the PC environment is for want of a better word, TEMPERAMENTAL. Dan Ash White Plains, NY > > Subject: > Re: Looping Survey - status report > From: > andy butler > Date: > Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:58:13 +0100 > > To: > Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > > >>> SUMMARY: >>> Not so many big surprises here. The looping community (at least >>> those who >>> took the survey) are a very experienced (if somewhat aged) group, >>> which also >>> might explain the relatively low likes for software loopers. >> >> Interesting. So you draw a correlation between older loopers and >> HW....suggesting that >> the older generation is still clinging tenaciously to hardware >> technology? > > yes, for good reason.. > 1) There's distinct advantages to keeping to the same setup for an > extended time period. > 2) Software doesn't replace the functionality of hardware, e.g. a) > EDP... Mobius is great, but I couldn't do half my stuff on it. > b) Vortex is way out of reach for existing software. > > andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 18:20:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94933BFB7; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7F957.4C934D56" x-cr-puzzleid: {EF639893-B31E-4E47-81AA-E68137CE973A} x-cr-hashedpuzzle: cxU= BKdb BYrZ BblF CRTv Ctyp CyhT C5JR Do7j GmMV GqHA He+H IWzB JWHm K74/ LGmh;1;bABvAG8AcABlAHIAcwAtAGQAZQBsAGkAZwBoAHQAQABsAG8AbwBwAGUAcgBzAC0AZABlAGwAaQBnAGgAdAAuAGMAbwBtAA==;Sosha1_v1;7;{EF639893-B31E-4E47-81AA-E68137CE973A};ZABhAHYAZQBAAGwAaQBuAGsAaQBmAHkALgBjAG8AbQA=;Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:19:20 GMT;UgBFADoAIABNAG8AcwB0ACAAcAByAG8AZwByAGEAbQBtAGEAYgBsAGUAIABtAGkAZABpACAAZgBvAG8AdAAgAGMAbwBuAHQAcgBvAGwAbABlAHIA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: RE: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:19:20 -0400 Message-ID: <6D696F3BE438374ABECECF1D839A38DD1B1198@ntxbeus21.exchange.xchg> In-Reply-To: <20070917171929.E0FFC3BF27@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Most programmable midi foot controller Thread-Index: Acf5Tu93PX9LOrorRTyD3qR2UdmBmQABstxg References: <20070917171929.E0FFC3BF27@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "David Huffman" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2007 18:20:12.0693 (UTC) FILETIME=[634ED450:01C7F957] X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/syNWUcCZp3E7MsjecXYMylY01GvkQ9RtUSjv 4AUrQZnZ4cnExPL7/p8ewEI3zaQ7HEW5oq9nm3P/MpCrVLI4+ Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74597 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:20:48 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F957.4C934D56 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're going down the laptop route, there's also: =20 * MIDI-OX (in Windows) provides routing, data mapping, patch mapping, access to virtual midi ports, and (essential) monitoring/filtering/debugging, and is free. I use a spreadsheet to define data mappings (e.g., convert ProgChg 8 on Ch 2 to Controller 70 value 127 on Ch 5), then load these as patches in MIDI-OX, which can then loop to itself to trigger varying patches, etc. This helps me get around the limitations of my FC-200 foot controller (not nearly as programmable as the FCB1010), and some of the idiocycracies of Ableton Live, and have an extraordinarily customized recording/performance rig. * Cycling 74 Max/MSP (http://www.cycling74.com/products/maxmsp, cross-platform) a graphical MIDI programming environment (warning: uber-geeky.), but, about $495 for non-students. =20 dh =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com]=20 Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:19 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller =20 If you are already using a PC in your setup, another option is to=20 build your own hardware and run the controller software on the PC: =20 http://www.creepingfog.com/mTroll/ =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F957.4C934D56 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    If you're going down the laptop route, there's = also:

     

    ·         MIDI-OX (in Windows)

    provides routing, data mapping, patch mapping, access to virtual midi = ports, and (essential) monitoring/filtering/debugging, and is free.

    I use a spreadsheet to define data mappings (e.g., convert ProgChg 8 on = Ch 2 to Controller 70 value 127 on Ch 5), then load these as patches in MIDI-OX, = which can then loop to itself to trigger varying patches, etc.

    This helps me get around the limitations of my FC-200 foot controller = (not nearly as programmable as the FCB1010), and some of the idiocycracies of Ableton Live, and have an extraordinarily customized = recording/performance rig.

    ·         Cycling 74 Max/MSP (http://www.cycling74.co= m/products/maxmsp, cross-platform)

    a graphical MIDI programming environment (warning: uber-geeky.), but, = about $495 for non-students.

     

    dh

     

     

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Sean Echevarria [mailto:sean.loop@creepingfog.com]
    Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:19 AM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Most programmable midi foot controller

     

    If you are already using a PC in your setup, = another option is to

    build your own hardware and run the controller = software on the PC:

     

    http://www.creepingfog.com/mTroll/

     

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7F957.4C934D56-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 19:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64DA3BFBB; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:20:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=cb890A9zvRIInZRgDGObgv9rV9tPoZfYBwNmzxd8EMo=; b=lls/GkOCDgvT9a0UPVOveXTjOM3oGZibfSDcLGy3PkOmsjhcIQZrTLPB+O5Gh8oAc37MASd5nvZKNwsn41ilPsJCWueJ/iy+dhfJcXx6vkfbDr+jiDcCMQIEcfG1F84JplhjU/AUaC3msT9vZkS9wjaZzv10ma/PVjbza3derfA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=mbvHSTVoACiX9YngBLmbz+5Yo79VwmFe7VRlWyiK2igbOw20NsVx5253bq12u9cDRM5vZYpNiX1gJXpMkauy6lV8Va5fPP8P1xS7Tek2S6jWZCVg1ka5xphr9r4reZKlcHL4TCB5rDNqRDsn4Zr23y1XG0LoYeJM1i6I9ZWydvw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:20:55 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Now OT: Noodling (was: Re: Who cares about the audience) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74598 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:20:57 +0000 (UTC) I should mention that those clips are a hoax - the guy who posted them dubbed in his own audio to match the guitarists' gestures. You can easily find the Jake E. Lee clip with original audio on youtube. On 9/17/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 17 sep 2007, at 03.15, Matt Davignon wrote: > > > Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! > > http://youtube.com/user/StSanders > > (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) > > Interesting! At some points I managed to fight back the depressive > effect of all this noodling and enjoyed some moments of fun, not far > from watching Beavis and Buthead. But seriously, I think Jake E. Lee > actually played well at the end after having tuned down a string far > below "proper guitar playing pitch" ;-) Still have some shredders > left there - I may get back to watch them later... > > What you should do with that Shredder's page is to open every video > in a new browser tab and listen to everything at the same time. > > By the way, still on topic, I'd like to share with the community this > little piece I recorded by overdubbing 176 guitar solos: > http://www.boysen.se/audio/176_G5_Stratocasters.mp3 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 19:25:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B0223BFBA; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:25:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Nw2182C2F9SJBWNk/yC2kWc9oBGKPTTAZTzlrA9D0CA=; b=fWz5pkeUHCzRN+sCZpJAuzm6RqvF0DQTONn6WROnSHK/DHmt6eAkngtF2qsLvh71TytWXdIon35tmBHQ6dfussQao6q3dHO7e8U2u8jl9ibuEx9shAUOsn2oYlHRalDOSH8mVtm9hPEfUrQ4Vo9Z/70MoeIOW/Usf7wpcwhUO0Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=aFkMLli6F95kJE3YI+ALRMU8dvn1F+4mqffZmUubxmov8l9fc4jU6R6uOaZ7DirnU7KiiCg0+RQhCQ/XbjEdTKRmm7R8gAwtyvzOKnmXfuGlZlG0J37P+XrJtSFswA8eB99/sBlHokpVRVypAObv1Tgm2BdSAesPiUDor12Xv4g= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling (was: Re: Who cares about the audience) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:25:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74599 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:25:20 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2007, at 21.20, Matt Davignon wrote: > I should mention that those clips are a hoax - the guy who posted them > dubbed in his own audio to match the guitarists' gestures. You can > easily find the Jake E. Lee clip with original audio on youtube. I think it was fun that you didn't mention that! So this means that "shredding" might not after all be so bad? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 20:44:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1D3E03BFB9; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=RDtVkkZ5ibD26z3vmKf4PJQKdEvfCTtMh1JjPV6YwIY=; b=JFiT4RrRVb6nkxXY7HBd7RYlTPc1PdJPT9fyKkJhLFHiVxF0O1Fv4j0WwyLbclMpyCtf4knB11hWe+m6uP0xzJUnT0ZqzlF3avKtiejRwN5Q9xnjfHTuZsIQfeC1QXbz9lbaTtxDU8kNXy/uN7aB10aJjTj82QWuDeQxZ/8FCdk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=gUBHCpe6CTBK52m4AmIYNJ+qjlQ21U8F34zIlskcubdBxVozG5hjGNINtQLEcE57Mub1lxJoG+4AprBxIZg8MU9zqqnmyeSi+hvgmEPqzyXPETW52+xHOErfrkaQjYXEiZv4kROUso02BCNne0AveBR6tL2wLBiaBF737+U3p3o= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:44:03 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Meringue on Windows MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 91b2ba627ad1235b Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74600 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:44:05 +0000 (UTC) A moderately surreal title for this post, which is just gear spam, really. I just released a Windows version of my Meringue delay plugin, which some of you may enjoy. http://www.collective.co.uk/expertsleepers/meringue.html cheers, os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 21:09:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7487A3BF22; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:09:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:08:59 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Now OT: Noodling References: <20070917192520.E08553BFC5@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070917192520.E08553BFC5@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-GrLHC.A.dLH.9zu7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74601 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:09:18 +0000 (UTC) This stuff left me helpless with laughter, thanks for sharing. Slash and Clapton may be my favorites (the moaning in the former, and the sax in the latter) though they're all priceless. The laconic applause may be the best thing, next to the people who leave comments believing that it IS the real thing. "Give me 'Lay Down Sally' or 'Bell Bottom Blues' anyday over this trash..." Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com >>> Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! >>> http://youtube.com/user/StSanders >>> (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 21:24:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 813993BFAD; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:24:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=E7xC+4NhXinPyXo701Ys/78dtYJtpga+t9YeviX/Gpc=; b=ixmMHbIB+dwBmaMhtYNbfG7vYtb8UTAEub4P4uBOK2e99krwz+4cTgN9ycV+LQHcXZk6X19QA2bbD5FbrPOdjOHBeDl6m6+LEAOYvFpSBiSLXmG84WYoHn7y03miGcPAav0Hfs3gHoJ0gWhHiv4NRlw5BhNr3snzKV/64uupnpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=uIJkp6IX9I2gqvWSCGscoYEWw6TzAYXO57znOXu42xvwCrExXt3Y9ATXNxzJx3XwsHxrnH6N19xBujnMOC8DIEFDyjlog4sl9IKnbGt06WkzrGM/41HjvAkj9oho+JPR1Vq86NEB1LL96dSTLYz7D9YcJtL+ZPNK7OP1yTSCVE8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:24:06 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Ableton xp to mac In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15066_20655160.1190064246466" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74602 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:24:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_15066_20655160.1190064246466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hola a tots! thanks per! so this tiny app "MacDrive" does it... well, was thinking in the future to upgrade to a Macbook, and since nowadays i'm xp based ... great solution therefore, using the same firewire harddisc. let's see if this year's savings allow me to get the macbook. cheers, raul. Over here I use the same hard drives for Mac and Windows, so I just > move the firewire drive between Mac and Windows boxes and work on the > Live Sets from the system most suitable at the moment. But in order > to make that possible you need to extend your Windows boxes with a > little application called MacDrive. MacDrive enables Window to read > OS X formatted drives. This saves me a lot of working time because OS > X formatted drives do not get fragmented as NTSF and FAT does, given > you use them on a Mac now and then (OS X defrags automatically when > leaving the computer on overnight). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_15066_20655160.1190064246466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    hola a tots!

    thanks per! so this tiny app "MacDrive" does it... well, was thinking in the future to upgrade to a Macbook, and since nowadays i'm xp based ... great solution therefore, using the same firewire harddisc. let's see if this year's savings allow me to get the macbook.

    cheers,
    raul.
     

    Over here I use the same hard drives for Mac and Windows, so I just
    move the firewire drive between Mac and Windows boxes and work on the
    Live Sets from the system most suitable at the moment. But in order
    to make that possible you need to extend your Windows boxes with a
    little application called MacDrive. MacDrive enables Window to read
    OS X formatted drives. This saves me a lot of working time because OS
    X formatted drives do not get fragmented as NTSF and FAT does, given
    you use them on a Mac now and then (OS X defrags automatically when
    leaving the computer on overnight).

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)







    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_15066_20655160.1190064246466-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 21:26:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C3583BF7A; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:26:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=b6Yewd7FuXAMRROJFrtNC6RgKnHwvOrHeik3lXlOLds=; b=F4nlUfUY6nLnj48PZRQ7lXHEIxqBT63HSUFGOdtzajf2wsFo6GyfkKmfGdukcFMY3hGeihlDGgiO10AyswmegUpGPJY3bHxpDX/3qLSsgmqvbjSJqx0nEt2RDcNQwdmlRKqUZLlx7cCOtubhUQcLMflT+gtYhsQkFXQW650stwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=N8y2BytfReokCDsGjVcKVWBWuTKWhJBwHur2IojyQRgxVyD6/0l6MBrg+xjv4ks2Cn2Vsz5iJ58F+zfsN4LUfLzPg6OMLjzWZ8iTk+RhQMzXt1F6uVXAOuaxfVu8pxdpfvPGf40DO4IB3c58cnx0pM21Y6DN4V9MvXD/0nCR2hc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> References: <20070917192520.E08553BFC5@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7BC51201-A491-4805-9D69-44735A01DEBF@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:26:33 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74603 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:26:40 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2007, at 23.08, Daryl Shawn wrote: > The laconic applause may be the best thing, next to the people who > leave comments believing that it IS the real thing. He, he... I thought it was the real thing but that someone had really assembled the abso-bloody-lutely worst videos with those musicians! ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 21:28:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 856AD3BFA4; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=fJRQKGj7ErZNgKqJM8KKK5RTatCJ3cJiVhQHtbrqFNk=; b=FL47zVDfDlMPV/Y7+nQbSsEpDKbulr3/V4WMMs84go7ZwZfY+Nx1oti8gAdMMgGBLZvMY+4HcntAtL05AJ4tffoMNC4c2PcCvnaXp1oCcPQcodbsYe4uzo7P76TzXdvtnGtryrdRsNoV4ptdtG3eQ6yayjTb/w+yfckKK8pULsw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ClySby4JC7cx0jroO81nFntkY27Ge21vwh0SEQE9ozb3/Lsekmev6ZD6yJ2A4OJ0noQCJDWO2e8pc3rZs3nZDmEUzW6SGhSQK/QOvussXIOF7IlQh6/bXBb9AS17xGCRIrwqPmuhux0AIpGJwgnt/uoH5vIhcjT0/2ObN5KJwE0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Ableton xp to mac Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:28:22 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74604 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:28:27 +0000 (UTC) On 17 sep 2007, at 23.24, Raul Bonell wrote: > thanks per! so this tiny app "MacDrive" does it... well, was > thinking in the future to upgrade to a Macbook, and since nowadays > i'm xp based ... great solution therefore, using the same firewire > harddisc. Yes, it's great. Just be careful when plugging in and out. Be sure to properly unmount the discs first, or the data structure may be damaged. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 17 23:12:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D07B3BFAA; Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=szsT6LUBLqJTHTyszkkYxLMAs9ZyPWn4MLmGZcWXUiE=; b=M47Y3uptNn5cJryIHnb0ln9wtytrAKRMHh8t53qMXxjj/RqKfiJCcGWTbLFCgfWewHR4S0Q8/xskVQyOkkKp7SpxnG2bySQ0sonSxw7mip2HmV5KI9PZYDjRfp37VlsndBgQTMHTQFM4oVb2oObWwMbPhQU2yIw6ATL+6EgDe3g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=sp7srHIwImurCIe31us0Zi816l1xdB26cXcDaaHHZZaxW5WQ8aS39AWUY6FStaxa7j7ESIfbtXKi4yAb0TMgKXfDmpCDxzwyJatU7OU3jvvUu8H20C+wTcI4S8vhcR1W+pYbaOlQKCpqhRqBthAZXkihpe3O1/W8fRlrXFFSyz8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 18:12:06 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping In-Reply-To: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13169_3098091.1190070726393" References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8NUX7B.A.OmE.Inw7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74605 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:12:08 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_13169_3098091.1190070726393 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline no, no, yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, yes... wait - I lost count. :) ------=_Part_13169_3098091.1190070726393 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline no, no, yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, yes...  wait - I lost count. :)
    ------=_Part_13169_3098091.1190070726393-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:13:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FA0C3BEFC; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009901c7f988$b66d66c0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:13:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74606 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:13:09 +0000 (UTC) I agree with Per, Rune....................this is a fascinating and overwhelming list of questions. The archives have so much information on many, many of the things you have asked. An approach to your huge list that I would respectfully suggest is that you go research the archives for the answers and then repost the questions with all the answers you've found with a list at the bottom of all the things you weren't able to answer from the archives. I, personally, have written a lot about several of the queeries you have but probably feel, as other's do, that I don't want to take a lot of time to revisit the queeries as long as there is much archival information available to us from the archives. Then, and I'm still in my wildly gratuitous advice giving mode: I would begin to post each of these questions , one by one as new threads for the list so everyone can respond to them in a way that isn't so confusing as a long, long mult-topic thread can be. In this way, all of your beautiful and intelligently thought out questions's answers can add to the collect knowledge of our community. thanks for thinking so much about all of this...............you are a true asset to our community. yours, Rick ps See you (and hope to hear your performance and possibly collaborate in Oslo next summer for the 1st Norwegian Live Looping Festival..........it's in the works as we speak! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:24:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5E7F13BFB9; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:24:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:19:03 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: this Wednesday: Subscape Annex, Chapel Hill, NC, USA Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74607 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:24:47 +0000 (UTC) I will be playing improvisational ambient/industrial drone using Chapman Stick, loopers, and effects this Wednesday in Chapel Hill, NC. The announcement is below, thank you for your time. best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- This Wednesday 19 September 2007, at the Nightlight in Chapel Hill NC. (Yes, I have been reminded that Wednesday is Talk Like a Pirate Day. Arrr. http://www.talklikeapirate.com/ ) venue: http://www.nightlightclub.com/ Cost:$5 Time: 9:30pm * Subscape Annex (Raleigh) http://www.subscapeannex.com/ * Robot Soup (Asheville) http://myspace.com/robotsoupsound * TAAZ (Asheville) http://www.myspace.com/bigtedbigted * USA Baby The section below is quoted from the Nightlight schedule on http://www.nightlightclub.com/schedule.html : "Wed 9/19 - Subscape Annex / Robot Soup / Taaz / USA Baby - 9:30 PM $5 - More of that softening of your gums - don't brush too hard. No really, this show will be like a trip to a surreal dentist office, with space-age drones, ridiculous ghetto-tech lo-fi emanations, and sickly sweet toothpaste electronica splattering the walls of your mental prison. Scoop: - Taaz is Ted Robinson of Dig Shovel Dig doing his stupid-band name not-so-stupid musical idea thing - prepared mini-harp (weird, eh?) Plus Robot Soup, one of the Searchwielder finds. Of course, Subscape Annex is a local enigma - Steve Burnett (the guy in black with black hair, black hat, black clothes, black jacket - you may have seen him at Nightlight lurking around at the weirdest shows) and he will be doing some instrumental industrial/ambient drone. USA Baby is the totally killer punk rock brother/sister duo of Matt and Laura Parsons. They do some seriously black and nihilistic "my teacher sucks" kind of music that arouses the same kind of energy and verve that The Misfits inspires upon first listen." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:27:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7D163BFC1; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c501c7f98a$c24bd060$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 17:27:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74608 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:27:46 +0000 (UTC) Someone wise once said that Artists are the antennae of their culture....................they see changes coming long before the general population does, due to not only their sensitivity but due to the fact that they are specifically focusing their sensitivities to be aware of new and aesthetic things. I lead a bit of a schizophrenic world vis a viz audiences: much of what I do is done sitting in front of a computer and involves no audience participation whatsoever (though it's surely nice to have some call your record a 'gem' or whatever) On the other hand, I'm a complete and utter live music animal.............I love to perform and the energy of the audience is extremely important to me. At the same time, I find that the world is so full of 'status quo' music; it seems to be so hard for artists to really stick their necks out to do something really different (facing obscurity by doing so) that I feel compelled to continually try to innovate in whatever ways I possibly can. This means that I purposefully 'push' artists by confronting them with things they may have never heard before. As an example I played with a fantastic (and fairly conventional) singer/songwriter, Melanie Redman two nights ago. She is wonderful and very respectful and she said, come do any looping you want in between songs if you feel like it. Well, I was humorous about it with the audience because it was obviously a little out of place for the venue and the nature of the gig, but I did a couple of little Line 6 improvisations with bottle blowing, unusual extended vocal techniques, beatboxing and pipe overtones as instruments. I kept them very short so as not to push the audience too hard, but they were incredibly well recieved. I know a lot of musicians who are concerned about their effect on the audience wouldn't have been comfortable with my little stylistic aberations but I felt really good that we kicked ass in our gigs and yet also the audience got to hear something they may have never heard. I find that a lot of audiences are actually a lot more sensitive, intelligent and willing to go along with what you are doing if you just give them the chance. I have been really successful getting elementary school kids to play odd time signature rhythmic ostinatos in unison in the first hour I work with them. Conventional wisdom says one should never attempt such folly. So, I say, 'Care about your audience...............just don't be afraid to challenge them a little in really supportive and friendly kinds of ways'. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 00:39:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 569F43BFBF; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070917193936.y0mmnly1voks0kgk@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:39:36 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling References: <20070917192520.E08553BFC5@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> In-Reply-To: <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <2WBANB.A.6S.K5x7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74609 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Daryl Shawn : > This stuff left me helpless with laughter, thanks for sharing. Me too! Occasionally you even recognize a tune! lmao! >>>> Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! >>>> http://youtube.com/user/StSanders >>>> (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 01:30:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D2353BF4B; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=mt5ZuI9vniUfLu0rkVnzmGTVPFHUcNu/XElepfco3Rw=; b=Pyx+dy8LAT0be8TkGxBAvHZvznyjTBiTnysrnv6EUWz2il7PiKQak3lmY6HmLwIz1LtK4Aj3HctFBBSz6NY+NN8TaBK9UBay48qHaYjkfBw6AO41dcF9H/RCARLRxImBT9v8DKIFUeZT5KpVPzTDaSbS6/iy9iyMJB7nJRSCEtM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Npa7Rsu992+JTDQaJXaYAk08pFYBXQq9U0mRk8NlDPK8nNGOQexJ/JLeEtXNcg0ApojGDQJw64QCHgR52lxRnflW8zCPzlEzrDQbSJxznrnH20QNJYSSRfgkKbptjgLYFDVn+8ZAq4PG5z2I9F0MmpX6DN3Qc1Twg/WTYFGDLxM= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:30:11 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Ableton xp to mac In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16168_19985923.1190079011542" References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74610 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:30:19 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16168_19985923.1190079011542 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > Yes, it's great. Just be careful when plugging in and out. Be sure to > properly unmount the discs first, or the data structure may be damaged. ahhh.. yeah.. that's pain in xp... hope osx deals with it peacefully. thanks again, raul. -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_16168_19985923.1190079011542 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    Yes, it's great. Just be careful when plugging in and out. Be sure to
    properly unmount the discs first, or the data structure may be damaged.

    ahhh.. yeah.. that's pain in xp... hope osx deals with it peacefully.

    thanks again,
    raul.


    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_16168_19985923.1190079011542-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 02:03:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4607F3BF7A; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Un5lRX2jRS9UjhO7CfnbOkqjBx3ohb6kKIZvXrBp22mZMLTAJGPZZOwUOsrcp0W34eOMJAJRlZX/XFPr7+IE2XSSDE1Ytv7fBwa3kG3QVDn4kHY/zg3QB/10G3qD/04C2HNNiIrRQPj/HRj+Fdc7GYWOESzuuXttLxmumPR1p1s=; X-YMail-OSG: u6G21oIVM1kQFuG8GbNcACMgugcwiFYz3s.T0LxVb_G8xLf16WMkb5R9bjVYov70saNA34fVcDygU3Y8KurEbNBeCLjEi0dbnCOf4xreZLjmfxNNhMUHI2XoiptSig-- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:03:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Voodo Dancer loop- Luis Angulo/Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000501c7f91a$2b4bead0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <50766.42621.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74611 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:03:41 +0000 (UTC) hey buddy! thanx man i will definetly have it on my next loop CD when i get the energy to start recording again... i am so glad i found the clip,i had saved it on an mp3 player to listen to it and forgot to make a backup and when i moved, the mp3 player got lost somehow,then i found it and heard the tune and i was so happy that i posted it on LD(although there is never any comments on stuff i post there but i am glad you heard it! ironically a new member of the LD list called Scott mailed me today saying how he like my musical style,he was asking me how i recorded "the returning" isnt it funny that thats precisely the song that hooked us up when you offered to make a CD for me since i had recorded it on mini disc and didnt have a CD burner at the time?) so i transfered the voodoo right away to the PC,this is only an mp3 so i hope i can find the original wav. i dont even remeber what software i used, i think it might have been acid since it was the software we were both using at the time. your special efxs are really cool as well! cheers bro Luis --- Rick Walker wrote: > Hey Luis, > > I have been struggling putting my main computer back > together in the past > week > (4 clean installs, 2 new gigs of RAM, 2 new > harddrives and a new sound > card) > and I haven't had anything to listen to music on for > over a week so > tonight's the first > night I got a chance to listen to this. > > http://www.luis-angulo.com/looplab.htm > > I really like what you did with it. > > It's cool that it starts out with a 16th note feel > and then > morphs into a North African shuffle feel (love those > hand claps on the > shuffled notes). > > This is the first piece of abstract electronica I've > heard you do and I > think it's a line > of music making that you should pursue. > > Nice work..................glad I could have > contributed to it (though I > can't , for the life of me > remember what I actually sent you those few years > ago). > > Keep it up, Carnal!!!! > > yours, Rick > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? 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    Bank of America Online Banking Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 02:37:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 62D853BF72; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1LIQ7spkc8XRozw1vdXToJsBhE+tXFSKq9569zTSrz21UB981OpHvFAX/VqPHPRjJAV3BKS3TY9XajQZOEYUGxmvAgrSOspfw+tOkflQWUGzsKhl4uglYK0d0J0l3vfS5oEgc6j3PyOD8y6A47WGw2M70bbqGgn1G44ijtTx34Q=; X-YMail-OSG: CRwf3AwVM1nxjiL_fs_6tuwD73CuzzZxN5grRcZ4Gu29YO7ET_Eka1_8WiMCpyH6k0sNinxd2B11bKE_SbFA2BT7np3.fDSphZ594cJ5HCtjgaQDG04a6Ue8MpwQeQ-- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 19:37:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <7695.8094.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74612 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC) But take Beck for example... he was bombarded at one point for being on the cover of Guitar player magazine,people were writtng saying how can you put somebody that cant play guitar on the GP cover,i think his way of playing and composing is more creative and just as difficult if not more as somebody playing plain guitar gymnastics.This is something that got sort of missunderstood in the rock n roll world with a lot of the shreder bands in the 80s,it started turning into weight lifting sports arena and the innocence of rock n roll started getting lost... Luis --- Travis Hartnett wrote: > Because it takes years of effort to play music > really well. > > Most people pick up an instrument and can't reliably > get a pleasing > sound out of it. Or in the case of some > instruments, really any sound > at all. People admire the skill required to perform > an act, be it > playing music or playing basketball, in addition to > appreciating the > immediate thrill factor of experiencing "Flight Of > The Bumblebee" or > hard drive down the court culminating in a slam dunk > in the closing > seconds of a basketball game. > > It doesn't necessarily require "suffering". > > On 9/13/07, Nemoguitt@aol.com > wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/13/07 12:49:38 AM, > travishartnett@gmail.com writes: > > > > > > > > I believe that a performer earns their applause by > > successfully doing something difficult in front > of an audience. > > > > > > rubbing my xtra large tummy and patting my head > at the same time is "difficult" playing music is a > joy.....travis, why do you say "difficult", > interesting use of the word.....perhaps i have never > really suffered for my art and over the years have > easily perfected my mistakes..... > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 02:37:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7602F3BF72; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:37:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=zUiihxFueRcq0Dwq6Yox10jhjnjrkaA4saXKwg2UJmo=; b=PcXH6S957aSnl2K3C9lyiMfI2WRZjrGNvPWuKsOHm+/R8XXXMSI5e46XS6MHYaGBW4tO8w7QRW5UoMo2T0Fa41XliDFrxPNI6H8JTAVpZmWjnnBbuD0G3C8BDon1k5tSgUid3KlQfOChcgPBzNr0y+TRqK1SpTsnkg/5pZCTud8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=bxbYh9wK6f5PW1VpLARR7RatKXHW95EbmDrDeSVoFt1Hh3r25YN5m0SbhrOmoOZKDYHehOeqCRL32Vsfc7zw4FgTLxAy6dWrY0+V+aLIQtv59olobO91dgBSuusMo6pet0Tv1HYfvNYzUp1SnS8mS6vk8xgPUWxy00eGO4xHASs= Message-ID: <2fb9e4730709171937t1b8877ap1fa03e54f2ba6282@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:37:57 -0400 From: "Clint Allen" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: [OT] This Saturday - Black Acid Candy Box at The Pour Haus - Louisville, USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5288_19435782.1190083077669" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74613 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:37:59 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5288_19435782.1190083077669 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi all My band will be performing at The Pour Haus in Louisville (Ky) this Saturday at 11:00pm. Opening up for us is a band called Siberia which features two individuals playing some lush loops on guitars. Black Acid Candy Box (my newest project) features: Ray Wegimont - Guitars, Loops, occasional spoken Vox Jamie Smith - Drums, Percussion Clint Allen - Fretless and Fretted basses, Chapman Stick, Synthesizers, loops, samples, knob twittlings, etc. Anyone in the area this weekend please advise and I can send directions. Thanks !! Clint ------=_Part_5288_19435782.1190083077669 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    Hi all
     
    My band will be performing at The Pour Haus in Louisville (Ky) this Saturday at 11:00pm. Opening
    up for us is a band called Siberia which features two individuals playing some lush loops on guitars.
     
    Black Acid Candy Box (my newest project) features:
     
    Ray Wegimont - Guitars, Loops, occasional spoken Vox
     
    Jamie Smith - Drums, Percussion
     
    Clint Allen - Fretless and Fretted basses, Chapman Stick, Synthesizers, loops, samples, knob
    twittlings, etc.
     
    Anyone in the area this weekend please advise and I can send directions.
     
    Thanks !!
     
    Clint
    ------=_Part_5288_19435782.1190083077669-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 03:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE5763BF74; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=495nbI35bIsTY3MWS/UuByWHsnvK8b9z0Cuw7EeD7HZ9LzAEYMr6hk+4cpBb/xWCsTxzq2/HpdskstUlyv6hqC4mtiOmsysj1wJTh2U0bxHgOf2FTO6iZL/UbnesNOJb+oaRw8IpNa7GNNSnNCDeMVmRSc/vk6pVEwYMkZrVPIM=; X-YMail-OSG: bxZVCLAVM1kcTytrsiVNIzkjc6FTr7uCstTlhRlb7xIZsEtJA4XZmF9qkCawVCgx7w-- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:52:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: looking for telecasrter string ferrules in Germany (O.T.) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46E776D7.8030805@mail.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <822483.38925.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74614 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Thanx ian i am just reading your mail,i found them on ebay in the U.S. but thank you once again now i know where to order them in the future and most important what they are called auf Deutsch! Cheers Luis --- Ian Petersen wrote: > Luis, > > > I having a hard time trying to find the little > > telecaster string ferrules that are in the back > for my > > Telecaster here in germany,does anybody know where > i > > could find them and what they are called in > German? > > Have you tried Rockinger (www.rockinger.de)? They > certainly sell them. > They call them 'Saitenführungshülsen'. > > Ian > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 03:58:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C6FE3BFB0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:58:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003b01c7f9a8$205c4b90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: I need Greg Williams contact info for Y2K7 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 20:58:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74615 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:58:00 +0000 (UTC) I need looper Greg Williams contact information. I had a bad RAM situation which knocked my computer out of the water for the last week and a half and also resulted in me losing the last 6 months of emails. I've been able to reconstruct all the emails of the performers list for Y2K7 which I will publish in the next three days, but I have completely lost track of GREG WILLIAMS's information. Would someone be so kind as to send me his info or Greg, if you are reading this, would you let me know ASAP. thanks a lot, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 04:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EF2B23BF2A; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; bh=3Fz1PZOiuhCDCGVURZxo20cjjHGvG6pU2WEdXjsvuw4=; b=XFEJGK5n0WGZxXoMJEPAv8C5KUOAF3e1zWofaNfQ9AA1gg43RO4trrlSf7Ull7Ghc07nssWG/wFnWmAoNGqyWc4hlMyj6NnDu0fjdx3bcjd1aofZjeX2d6lWIOJIEqBj7hMWu2HYUPLGUPGrDy+/iHcGnc52Me+/SB6O4VXR8js= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:to:references:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-mailer:x-mimeole:in-reply-to:thread-index; b=hOD7NzraJI7Q4fRMgaLbJ6ul2nNuGuOx4/W72g4ZkyYceN984pCKdhFEe7RINgq/nl+WTS7Eu5QWMMLQ4IBB7PQOPjQWjJI70ybgA6wPQSCtGLC32C7iQP9RcPpDP8+pU2maxfqLttIauSKt2qku8YaAO8OzhyUWAEiGCuImsZ8= From: "Tony K" To: References: <003b01c7f9a8$205c4b90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: MC09 for looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:40:09 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c7f9ae$003b71f0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 In-Reply-To: <003b01c7f9a8$205c4b90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Thread-Index: Acf5qCQrNesVSYcET0SBQQpjQybHNgABS4jQ Resent-Message-ID: <0SEDdC.A.zsE.pa17GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74616 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Look looping content! Anybody tried one of these for looping? http://www.roland.com/products/en/MC-09/specs.html Looks intriguing. Only 6 seconds of loop time, but on 4 tracks, I think. I see these on evil-bay all the time. I'm in a gear acquisition thing and I'm looking at, uh, getting something. There's that Korg EA1 too. Sheesh. And I haven't figured out all the stuff I have yet. On a side note. My Adrenalinn went on the fritz and I emailed Roger Linn support. Well lo and behold, Roger emailed me back and was outstandingly helpful. He's sending replacement chips and I'll probably be upgrading to the A-III at some point soon. The world is full of good people. 'cause I need more Damn toys. Tony No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1013 - Release Date: 9/17/2007 1:29 PM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 04:58:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 855973BF16; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000a01c7f9b0$86f14e70$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <003b01c7f9a8$205c4b90$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: I need Greg Williams contact info for Y2K7 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:58:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <_Bkm0B.A.GSF.qr17GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74617 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:58:19 +0000 (UTC) He appears to be all over the internet, Rick. Just search for "Greg Williams" and looping google. I get his stuff on Youtube, myspace, etc. http://www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist Kris ----- Original Message ----- >I need looper Greg Williams contact information. > > I had a bad RAM situation which knocked my computer out of the water for > the last week and a half > and also resulted in me losing the last 6 months of emails. > > I've been able to reconstruct all the emails of the performers list for > Y2K7 which I will > publish in the next three days, but I have completely lost track of GREG > WILLIAMS's > information. > > Would someone be so kind as to send me his info or Greg, if you are > reading this, would > you let me know ASAP. > > thanks a lot, > > Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 05:07:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 82AD73BFB6; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:07:40 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74618 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:07:55 +0000 (UTC) It's funny, those shred videos put things in a certain light for me. After seeing the hilarious version of Steve Vai's triple-neck (!) tune, I went and checked out the original thing, also on YouTube (it's called "I Know Your Here" (sic)). I always liked what Vai did with Zappa, but this seemed so INCREDIBLY vapid and indulgent, ascending scales going nowhere, seemingly random keys...it was as if I was hearing it with true perspective, with the "shredded" videos pointing out that if one isn't impressed by the odd sounds and rapid-fire notes, these axe-slingers can appear really ridiculous, if the musicality of the music isn't necessarily strong enough to overcome the poses. I didn't really think I'd be gaining insight from laughing my ass off, but these things do work mysteriously.. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > This is something that got > sort of missunderstood in the rock n roll world with a > lot of the shreder bands in the 80s,it started turning > into weight lifting sports arena and the innocence of > rock n roll started getting lost... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 05:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 427383BFBF; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:27:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74619 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:27:41 +0000 (UTC) > I always liked what Vai did with Zappa, but this seemed so INCREDIBLY > vapid and indulgent, ascending scales going nowhere, seemingly random > keys...it was as if I was hearing it with true perspective, with the > "shredded" videos pointing out that if one isn't impressed by the odd > sounds and rapid-fire notes, these axe-slingers can appear really > ridiculous, if the musicality of the music isn't necessarily strong enough > to overcome the poses. I didn't really think I'd be gaining insight from > laughing my ass off, but these things do work mysteriously.. As an ex-80's axe slinger who, at the age of 19, practiced the guitar 6 hours a day and mastered licks, scales, and arpeggios from the likes of Malmsteen, Ronnie LeTekro, Paul Gilbert, Tony Macalpine, etc, I can poke fun at myself and say that was a most ridiculous, though totally fun time of my music history. Only one thing good came out of that era for me, namely the physical chops and dexterity to eventually learn and play jazz...not that you need to play that fast in jazz, unless you are DiMiola, McLaughlin, etc, but the intense workout, both left and right hand, from 80's guitar shredding, most definitely laid a foundation for me to express myself in a more articulate way today. ...it was a fun time, though, I'll say that. Lots of good stories to share... Malmsteen has always seemed like the most bombastic jack-ass of all the axe slingers to me. I once read a interview in some magazine, between he, and John McLaughlin. I finished that interview thinking that this guy was a total ego-maniac idiot, with no clue as to what making good music is all about. I'm surprised John didn't just ream him a new ass-hole, except that he was being is normal British, polite (yet subtly insulting self)...so subtle that everything probably went over coke addict Malmsteems head. I was embarrassed for him. At one point in the interview, he claimed that he thought there wasn't anything that he couldn't do on the guitar. Clueless. I'm happy to say that I've long since forgotten all those Malmsteen runs, and that I'd just like to see half of these shreaders try what they do on a totally clean sound, with no massive gain or distortation to back them up I did like Vai on Crossroads however...playing as the devil's guitar player...I love that scene where he gets pissed off and drops the guitar on the stage, after shaking the guitar upside down with only the tremelo bar. Wonderful. I heard he played all the parts on that movie? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 05:36:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51C683BFB0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "dave eichenberger" To: References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 01:35:40 -0400 Message-ID: <004501c7f9b5$c0bee040$423ca0c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf5tKMmm35Xwqw+Qf+TTjvf6FVwdAAAJirQ Content-language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18nl4HrjyPqRjiEgX+VbTH9sl90204lKbLk9MV /n1gqvJpbGgEssH8Y6ENQ1GXqTygh3sqSBpZselJpGbAlOsqeY fvAe3+yfk5oyawaV1IRxlChUH98i9OzKQcMEJ6pKWA= Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74620 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:36:10 +0000 (UTC) Ry Cooder did the slide parts. Vai did both parts of the duel. Absolutely horrible movie, except those few minutes at the end. Amazing that Ralph Macchio 'beat' Vai at the crossroads using the very same chops he denounced earlier in the movie. Amazing he didn't get all sorts of movie offers after this flick. Dave Eichenberger http://www.hazardfactor.com/collectives I did like Vai on Crossroads however...playing as the devil's guitar player...I love that scene where he gets pissed off and drops the guitar on the stage, after shaking the guitar upside down with only the tremelo bar. Wonderful. I heard he played all the parts on that movie? Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 05:37:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 674BC3BFB0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <009001c7f9b6$03c3dbc0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:37:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74621 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Ahhhh...here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJcrgkFzRVg Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 06:05:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D83093BF73; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=QI/Rfcpp9Ak7yv8Bli3kYzhKbmtKn13++O80+8+X4ws=; b=qmdiCEaJrwCXDMPalkx8GG30ofGVV0tj5YlOU3gKaZZZFZGYalIQJXVEjYXvXIUUNgnf/z1fpSWUhJ2sqITKK7Z1fIzr4xEkDa9gWGzo6ENKs7NdP0OB6m8ePRz3rrloHS3LmjM5l/nYORbzyjZ6UxKZ/IA6gTCZ9o2IKxuB4VI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RJB3diSSuYuP0frcXTgMvWmtkQH4CvC8yvE0eX9L8eYrZ4NWryKMfgyv9n1t2Eyo3EdwH2R7kKh8X6Yh/iLkEkYF+WxfxkSS3uLoCetfKJRt3nkkYbdORqJeq0SlLzt2z8hP35HxtkBabfxnb3DPhcv155JmHzu3DE/0dlMf/IQ= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:05:17 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling In-Reply-To: <20070917193936.y0mmnly1voks0kgk@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070917192520.E08553BFC5@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EEECEB.4050809@mhorse.com> <20070917193936.y0mmnly1voks0kgk@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74622 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:05:19 +0000 (UTC) There's a part of the Eric Clapton clip where he starts playing 'Enter Sandman' On 9/17/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > Quoting Daryl Shawn : > > > This stuff left me helpless with laughter, thanks for sharing. > > Me too! Occasionally you even recognize a tune! lmao! > > >>>> Funny youtube clips of the week: Guitarists SHRED! > >>>> http://youtube.com/user/StSanders > >>>> (No seriously, listen to them. There's comic genius here.) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 06:53:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 07AD43BF33; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4EYVt8PRXX3Gbaw4bEkwz4GoTnU4S2OFqOr3AuZDeh4=; b=sCduN/oGxBgqYDO/y3hhJK0PXqSQjedp11wKJMj0ugH8s0At1jDlV/GRpTTZbM4xRBi9OTCuA4r9zuFpazc6XCpGZIoFVGNiPt25nKwvTzrGFMCFoMiIu8M4BFtXifhtwSKCkvDF/9/BfAlg6Z3KtWaY1L6dqcyKTG3mYU/5I/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YNKb3I+X3992g7m188kTVi3YthqmHg+D6rxzErzIdSMY65qFnYTgQ35sC9vDOrrS+sDcvHvrTvQS0lcXb0fOw92+nEXu516cvTP7g1DH0/x4iwVI6KmyFbkDbHzno/RL+Jo3bvk+obQz3vCYNkBrnkhmGFYl/Cvqf6JWAnwmgnY= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 23:53:05 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping In-Reply-To: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74623 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:53:08 +0000 (UTC) rune fagereng was all: > Hi ! > > I want to learn more about looping and live-electronic > - both the history and the technology. Hi Rune, I'm actually going to take crack at this the best I can, and try to be brief. First, I'd say my responses to more than half of your questions tend to be things like: "It depends who you ask," and "Well, that's up for you to decide" soft of answers. So other than that I'm going to pick and choose ... > Is it linked to Debussy? or Ambient music? > > Are there a link from looper delight to - lets say > musique concrete? > > The tape looping in 60`s what impact had it on the > sampling and DJ culture? the earliest looping piece I've heard was "Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band" by Terry Riley. That's from 1968. It's pretty likely that Terry Riley and his friends were influenced by Terry Riley. Also many modern ambient musicians are influenced by both the 60's minimalists like Terry and earlier stuff like Debussy. From what I hear today, I think the most influential stuff was late 70's music by Robert Fripp and Brian Eno. > Is there a musical genre (live looping)? Yes and no. Literally, it's a technique that could be applied to most genres of music, but you will find that many looping musicians go in enough of a similar direction that you could call it a genre. > What are the musicians missing in the technology of today? My personal opinion is that technology is currently at a point where people can do pretty much anything they imagine. It's actually at a point where the technology can be a distraction, or easily confused with creativity. > Why aren`t more attention paid to live looping - by musicians - comsumer`s and manufactures? I think the manufacturers are finally coming around. I've seen a lot of new or reissued looping boxes in the past few years. > What sets live sampling apart for other genre? It's rarely done! I honestly can't think of a song I've heard on popular radio that used live looping or real-time sampling. Anyone? > The leading music academy of music in Norway teaches > in live electronics? Does this mean it has become > mainstream? What is there to learn? As far as I can tell, Norway is one of the best countries in the world when it comes to supporting new and cutting edge art forms. > How does a concert with a musician with > live-electronic look from the audience view? > > What are live looper`s actually doing on stage - > regarding what the audience can see? > > What can be said about the interaction between man and > machine - when the player must turn/move around for > pushing buttons for making music? Usually what you'd see onstage is somebody playing an instrument, except when the musician starts doing something different, the sounds he was making before simply continue. The first time an audience member sees this, they're often confused, or they think the musician has backing tracks on cd. Most of the time, the actual sampling and playback is controlled with foot pedals. > Is there - in looping - a fine line between repetition > and boredom? > How does good looper - artists and composer deal with > this technically and in building a composition? ...but of course! Modern music has people used to the idea of phrases that repeat exactly. Most pop music on the radio is constructed out of samples of live instruments, rather than letting the instruments play live from the beginning of the song to the end. The trick is to know when to move on to a different sound. There are ways to layer sounds so it sound like a new one rather than the one you've been hearing the entire time. Sometimes it's like a synthesizer combines sine waves to get something that sounds like a single note rather than a bunch of sine waves. Or if you have two wheels (loops) spinning at different speeds, the sound of the wheels together will take longer to match up exactly, so it doesn't sound repetitive. All right - that's all for now. It sounds like most of your questions would be answered after working with a looping device for an hour or so. It's a really simple concept to work with - you record something and it instantly plays back - but there's lots of stuff you can do with such a tool. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 07:10:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0A7743BEEA; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:10:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=d3VYx9v2UERq6tZ1NQLJ6BybALZ8oJUrlIb+XbDWPGc=; b=NheXki0FaHU4N1NctK9xxSpZhyVhPQmKwMPXaS+NbV8IlcH4hD3XqD+YZmWyFLrp+p4D/nfgAQbU8e4OgPvpZSkDh7ArS/XuEfbuhPOwz0QTmBv2JnSzr+lh7QucZe/6RvFFyAztfBy1nwyNvg2fyk1ho/2wYoEP+F4ZzGI9D70= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Kt2ocni1JXpCakvD8Uu9dLxc3f5fg6EWJrOV/xFN2rsu/ZND4yasJ5lZZpkyWy13bqmWSpCl7X2WTphdjYJQm1lSbyUJkxg+0NB13CfsLoS+sXLZYQMO/9q6Z2QanM8DPDj6iWFJ/hdBp+ZxzfWEVdKgJUCZ028DvSIWy5hcBmQ= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <88C3A5C4-87F1-4710-A968-31E7A5DE2282@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: Ableton xp to mac Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:10:03 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74624 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:10:09 +0000 (UTC) > Yes, it's great. Just be careful when plugging in and out. Be sure to > properly unmount the discs first, or the data structure may be > damaged. On 18 sep 2007, at 03.30, Raul Bonell wrote: > ahhh.. yeah.. that's pain in xp... hope osx deals with it peacefully. Be careful, friend! That's not specifically related to Windows XP. On any computer, even OS X boxes, it's a big no-no to disconnect any data storing media when active. Your comment above is a good illustration to why this area is so dangerous ;-)) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 07:16:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8BA293BF85; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:16:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=LtAXDHzKbXVq4uKYdtYZ3+t7EVR2BfqmXaqExrh4mG0=; b=I4uZk+6O4wa/2fC+dUqlRGggJIn2CElbCGULzLBj9c7JfeNgm4TXOcLE+rb6xqhlkVXnSqzQzgtQcFQUPZjaRpWwbijCl54JASFjuidUKvjBd8W2IgeTqFsykzRUPhZDgx+WLzDhi3t0cFJHJyQDB3dEGuuA+2IgEEa2mlSfKfM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=heLEw8om+GXuX7UhsNRNbDuw+JYH5rmXNW3uGZ6V4DFM/enOuf8KhF/4NZa7V8iAo2uwXGiTKaWbAdilI0wAI2EwAZNxPAlJbaTuzBdbQBk96xcdXuAsjDiVCEbO6EnOfCL0pEViVJUFh3gB6Le5HfwIau5tFuRb3VnEVSm/PRk= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <7695.8094.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <7695.8094.qm@web38611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8BB5DC03-C4EB-47D6-B165-03E7F73CB7EC@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:16:09 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74625 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:16:15 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2007, at 04.37, L.A. Angulo wrote: > But take Beck for example... he was bombarded at one > point for being on the cover of Guitar player > magazine,people were writtng saying how can you put > somebody that cant play guitar on the GP cover,i think > his way of playing and composing is more creative and > just as difficult if not more as somebody playing > plain guitar gymnastics.This is something that got > sort of missunderstood in the rock n roll world with a > lot of the shreder bands in the 80s,it started turning > into weight lifting sports arena and the innocence of > rock n roll started getting lost... > Luis If you're talking about Beck Hansen I totally agree! I love his musical sense of humor. And I think he uses guitar in a cool way, no matter if he plays it by his own fingers or samples blues artist's recordings. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 07:18:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3742E3BFB6; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: <50766.42621.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: RE: Voodo Dancer loop- Luis Angulo-Rick Walker Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:21 +0200 Message-ID: <003601c7f9c4$19137400$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <50766.42621.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Acf5tr/n/CnPF2XLTvWvdJulNxDT8gADQxPA Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74626 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:18:30 +0000 (UTC) wonderful music! I love "Water Mirror" a lot too, and the Voodoo loops reminds me of "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts", the strings are way cool !! Michael www.michaelpeters.de From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 07:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E483B3BF5D; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=JS3M3lutTrGafvc0P2WY4/gGUTgvNo7jacgKPX7K4VA=; b=R69RRfIMhVmo5x0eYRbGhmN7PdSQBgVh4UNfVTmWskxLcPPVsaJX3kC8bzeDAn/1ffOH+4REgZVl0C2Srfbgwa8AxnzU4pxzLF9MB+IhqmqwPX3VXQ9VwM/PkzT9VhHl5IdaVCLOEfPglmbt3E54ZWT5JoTUbrjDOYC65p3UwWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=dZMbUuVp/D4c3d8xZ/prlQW/EB0l/iSyqVGV4glUNEr5JtaQlD4KlU1/eDFRWRf5MSfTChR8jFxCG2fZytmTcbl1g/7dEOELCri8PJczQAWnXA5YS6sdZ0WdGVnHo1mowucpUabxrNUGQ73es4ViMMnBDiPpQ4j99muK1zpH29o= In-Reply-To: <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C732AD6-212F-49D3-A038-76DFE28D033B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:29:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74627 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:29:47 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2007, at 07.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > At one point in the interview, he claimed that he thought there > wasn't anything that he couldn't do on the guitar. Clueless. I'm > happy to say that I've long since forgotten all those Malmsteen > runs, and that I'd just like to see half of these shreaders try > what they do on a totally clean sound, with no massive gain or > distortation to back them up I think your comment, above, lacks the same kind of musical understanding that is lacking those "shredders"; the misbelief that it is about *the playing* when the real thing actually is about *the music*. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 08:27:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF54A3BF42; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX187K98YCzE7E+LZn9ul82zDq/F8oP9vMv4gjvIUIV PpPircOU4oSz8w Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:28:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74628 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Rune, here's a book that may provide answers to some of your questions (and leave you with dozens of other interesting issues to follow-up). The Ambient Century: from Mahler to Moby - the Evolution of Sound in the Electronic Age by Mark Prendergast with a foreword by Brian Eno Cheers Nico > rune fagereng was all: >> Hi ! >> >> I want to learn more about looping and live-electronic >> - both the history and the technology. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 09:14:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C15D53BF68; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:14:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c701c7f9d4$4684cdc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:14:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74629 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:14:17 +0000 (UTC) From: "Krispen Hartung" > > I did like Vai on Crossroads however...playing as the devil's guitar > player...I love that scene where he gets pissed off and drops the guitar > on the stage, after shaking the guitar upside down with only the tremelo > bar. Wonderful. I heard he played all the parts on that movie? This was a Ry Cooder / Steve Vai effort, with nearly-accurate fingering on-screen by Ralph Macchio. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/trivia It would have been quite educational to be on THAT set while Cooder/Vai trained Macchio I suspect. Another award for music for Ry Cooder! (Funny, "Performance" was on last night...) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/awards ****************** I must however take exception to anyone who disses this film! There are two very redeeming items for me besides the guitarwork on the soundtrack, and the duel at the end: * Joe Seneca's "Willie Brown" tells Ralph Macchio's character that "The Blues ain't nothin' but a good man feelin' bad.." I enjoy that one on two levels, one of them obviously egotistic (What's in a name, eh?). * I know of one fellow I used to play blues with, that amazingly enough never heard of Robert Johnson until he saw "Crossroads". For a fellow white-boy-from-suburbs I count that to be a point of salvation for all concerned! (Suddenly remembering Mick Jagger going on about "The only performance that makes it, that makes it all the way, is the one that achieves madness. Am I right? Eh? Right?") Ah well, the house is nearly done and I'm hopefully finishing off a shingles-like virus. And the equipment is nearly set up! S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 09:31:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 571263BF6B; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YGX5yclsvHiJXmY++hN8sUVaqk2PcLzfk72MDvMV0EOmYNs/+rERgOBDyRyzCc7B5jlp4YCsKK8nmKvIlM4FIUVLbxhcNnVfLijBBpETjnwtX7BpHqGXza3+E3WCiUtLbQnkql++LC+iV1HigRZ2O4wO19xBA83wgXKC7I/SxcM=; X-YMail-OSG: JWPkma8VM1ka6iJQatxIvluAOxwrHhhjthaNhWJx3GkCTARpKJIjUeWMoGZwXxYFxtuiufOpdO_51N8FQWGD3LWsqLWsp9BnenxXZURxjXAS4f5hb5kCoU2uwdE- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:31:32 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Vs: EIVIND AARSET live from www.buggesroom.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <642738.29743.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <-qloc.A.0hF.2r57GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74630 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! 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Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 09:32:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 54A883BF6D; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=CmPw3hAd0K/b05FAIKdzmegLuE4CTXW28D8gLex3ia5QSa46hw0lzLdRzs7kTwQA51Blsrs8+sisrP262TMlnM79oQEgarGPEX+8QoaqIOUSxm33aiIPvJxr4w4UeP+HPZvJWE6gzxXdo767zj3Ben3Sa2RCkvImqMMcatagtD8=; X-YMail-OSG: Ad6WOt4VM1nDR9d5LejyY4SK_OSAy5ZFYuRQQbDB2a97OnssW.cLudGuLYW1Lc4V3PjeToWMR25FtaMHRe09BmLZRctyU6JchtYLnIL_.neOMGJmF9.JSjHHLbA- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:32:42 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Re: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live looping To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <765088.16581.qm@web26208.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <52sL3C.A.btF.7s57GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74631 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Thanks ! RF --- nico spahni skrev: > Rune, here's a book that may provide answers to some > of your questions > (and leave you with dozens of other interesting > issues to follow-up). > > The Ambient Century: from Mahler to Moby - the > Evolution of Sound in > the Electronic Age by Mark Prendergast with a > foreword by Brian Eno > > Cheers > > Nico > > > > > rune fagereng was all: > >> Hi ! > >> > >> I want to learn more about looping and > live-electronic > >> - both the history and the technology. > > _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 09:46:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A4D5B3BF74; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:46:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=ePrL8d345fWIkgRGXvLL9OQV27VtFrdrefE7Dy2lDW0=; b=NpzKu/TJWIwgoOdIJDTqLTpxo0zwZJawDfRo0Nm5KhBwELoJYPcjw4lpzEtIfYaWD5pfmPE6bazNM5bBXQ8LfYbsDLbDbRkfj57cGUsi0k2Gyu2GX7B8LIaLmcnsi7ivtxvxDc4dz7K8jmqVeeGS7xFRIhLaZTh3CzdkSWmUpvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=nF6VGOJoLgSj+cDGiGqfuUwB5bqjx4PhZyZ73fiCOvPZLEv6plaiBnWMXe3MOZDvdCDVh3lKSZmElWAMyYf+5HP3+VAH0hD5nVFe4jYELPZFcvPTTgbz1VhghNmzOzer4dznCZw0/AsN7LhPOVmrw3eCGKQvcj0XtcAY7CWYyVw= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:46:08 +0200 From: "Arne R. Skage jr" Reply-To: arne@skage.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <00c701c7f9d4$4684cdc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17620_20114685.1190108768232" References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <00c701c7f9d4$4684cdc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74632 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:46:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_17620_20114685.1190108768232 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline regarding Machios training for the movie; He was actually tutored by Arlen Roth ( magazines like Guitar player in the eighties where full of articles about this) check this out: http://arlenroth.com/crossroads.html 2007/9/18, Stephen Goodman : > > From: "Krispen Hartung" > > > > I did like Vai on Crossroads however...playing as the devil's guitar > > player...I love that scene where he gets pissed off and drops the guitar > > on the stage, after shaking the guitar upside down with only the tremelo > > bar. Wonderful. I heard he played all the parts on that movie? > > This was a Ry Cooder / Steve Vai effort, with nearly-accurate fingering > on-screen by Ralph Macchio. > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/trivia > > It would have been quite educational to be on THAT set while Cooder/Vai > trained Macchio I suspect. > > Another award for music for Ry Cooder! (Funny, "Performance" was on last > night...) > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/awards > > ****************** > > I must however take exception to anyone who disses this film! There are > two > very redeeming items for me besides the guitarwork on the soundtrack, and > the duel at the end: > > * Joe Seneca's "Willie Brown" tells Ralph Macchio's character that "The > Blues ain't nothin' but a good man feelin' bad.." I enjoy that one on two > levels, one of them obviously egotistic (What's in a name, eh?). > > * I know of one fellow I used to play blues with, that amazingly enough > never heard of Robert Johnson until he saw "Crossroads". For a fellow > white-boy-from-suburbs I count that to be a point of salvation for all > concerned! > > (Suddenly remembering Mick Jagger going on about "The only performance > that > makes it, that makes it all the way, is the one that achieves madness. Am > I > right? Eh? Right?") > > Ah well, the house is nearly done and I'm hopefully finishing off a > shingles-like virus. And the equipment is nearly set up! > > S. > > > -- Arne R. Skage jr. 91157204 arne@skage.com www.skage.com ------=_Part_17620_20114685.1190108768232 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    regarding Machios training for the movie; He was actually tutored by Arlen Roth ( magazines like Guitar player in the eighties where full of articles  about this)
     
    2007/9/18, Stephen Goodman <spgoodman@earthlight.net>:
    From: "Krispen Hartung" <khartung@cableone.net>
    >
    > I did like Vai on Crossroads however...playing as the devil's guitar
    > player...I love that scene where he gets pissed off and drops the guitar
    > on the stage, after shaking the guitar upside down with only the tremelo
    > bar. Wonderful.  I heard he played all the parts on that movie?

    This was a Ry Cooder / Steve Vai  effort, with nearly-accurate fingering
    on-screen by Ralph Macchio.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/trivia

    It would have been quite educational to be on THAT set while Cooder/Vai
    trained Macchio I suspect.

    Another award for music for Ry Cooder!  (Funny, "Performance" was on last
    night...)
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090888/awards

    ******************

    I must however take exception to anyone who disses this film!  There are two
    very redeeming items for me besides the guitarwork on the soundtrack, and
    the duel at the end:

    * Joe Seneca's "Willie Brown" tells Ralph Macchio's character that "The
    Blues ain't nothin' but a good man feelin' bad.."  I enjoy that one on two
    levels, one of them obviously egotistic (What's in a name, eh?).

    * I know of one fellow I used to play blues with, that amazingly enough
    never heard of Robert Johnson until he saw "Crossroads".  For a fellow
    white-boy-from-suburbs I count that to be a point of salvation for all
    concerned!

    (Suddenly remembering Mick Jagger going on about "The only performance that
    makes it, that makes it all the way, is the one that achieves madness. Am I
    right? Eh?  Right?")

    Ah well, the house is nearly done and I'm hopefully finishing off a
    shingles-like virus.  And the equipment is nearly set up!

    S.





    --
    Arne R. Skage jr.

    91157204
    arne@skage.com
    www.skage.com ------=_Part_17620_20114685.1190108768232-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 11:34:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4970E3BF51; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:34:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: UK loop gigs Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46EFC5C8.9129.FFAC74@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <1nW7BC.A.LiC.Df77GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74633 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) 2 more for your diary; Octagon Chapel Colegate Norwich 14 Oct 2007 3PM An Afternoon of 21st Century Guitar with andy butler, Nick Robinson, Stephen Scott. Heeley City Farm, Sheffield 20 October 2007 1PM Looping the Livestock with Nick Robinson, Stephen Scott. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 11:34:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A141A3BF6E; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, midifriedchicken@comcast.net Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:34:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Who cares about the audience Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46EFC5C8.18563.FFACC2@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <091720071523.7329.46EE9BDE0005F6F200001CA12216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <091720071523.7329.46EE9BDE0005F6F200001CA12216527966020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: <9vzGN.A.BjC.Ef77GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74634 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:34:28 +0000 (UTC) On 17 Sep 2007 at 15:23, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I care. I suspect those who don't, play for free. You actually get paid? That's a rarity in my experience. I kind of resent the implication that by playing for free, I don't care - quite the reverse. If I didn't care, I wouldn't traipse around the country playing 20 minute sets to minimal audiences. Even if there is an entrance fee, it rarely generates enough to cover the cost of the venue, petrol for the performers AND any left over. It's just one of the things you need to accept as a looper, (certainly in the UK) - you'll make bugger-all money and play to "select" audiences in "atmospheric" venues ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 11:37:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 037913BF6B; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=HQrR6YHmbL0eJ8bm0rvYQP0bPYoP8dJJjZefpbqQkyQ8VbL18vXRPEEAmMk98yGoUfOpmkJ07UDnkuV8Tc3v5QwjKHGYSu5ix9hfUAVHUUBUgJLisbq0GuswLJyHE3XpcmzvibzV8g+zqIOJeWD/C5JsAJRG7SZ2Gv3nUWbn8Po=; X-YMail-OSG: HHB8KkUVM1nelyzPwHiWFcYW.DiwIKHRwIWtww6Q1IqP3Qg3iuBhj0Mv39AzZJ9n.m4.5zp6BeDoQRtfJyuvNtsjBU1SaEQbjI9AuCANfNcenzVHynI- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:37:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: Voodo Dancer loop- Luis Angulo-Rick Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <003601c7f9c4$19137400$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <223327.19238.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74635 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Michael thanx for listening! cheers mate Luis --- Michael Peters wrote: > wonderful music! I love "Water Mirror" a lot too, > and the Voodoo loops > reminds me of "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts", the > strings are way cool !! > Michael www.michaelpeters.de > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 11:42:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2667A3BF80; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=PlwsF6pWa5eW3c+uALP4a5cgofEkJOhbpUh0FNN0mIuDjNLfD8uhmbuR6D1OBs+MIBqet90V+pg2KhaUyR1inCk85ok2j3o8/QENR6Rz0u9IHjqJf3ZIhqns4cRjlPdMijREm0Z55PlryEofhYxYjPC38uVSRTGFhJzgO8kZydU=; X-YMail-OSG: LfmftR4VM1l29CJpo.1Ia8.GgW8VrHbj7STr_PF1zXCXXlUwZgB.o_PlaHBlbF.smcm0wcZNiGOd.mXBCWiXK6SuX3zsHOsi38ue9xso57J6R8GQpjLi7ouTi2218Q-- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <8BB5DC03-C4EB-47D6-B165-03E7F73CB7EC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <587853.95118.qm@web38610.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74636 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:42:57 +0000 (UTC) Yes Beck Hansen indeed, in fact the most exciting guitarrist i heard in the 90s even playing sloopy slide to a drum machine preprogrammed loop! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 18 sep 2007, at 04.37, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > But take Beck for example... he was bombarded at > one > > point for being on the cover of Guitar player > > magazine,people were writtng saying how can you > put > > somebody that cant play guitar on the GP cover,i > think > > his way of playing and composing is more creative > and > > just as difficult if not more as somebody playing > > plain guitar gymnastics.This is something that got > > sort of missunderstood in the rock n roll world > with a > > lot of the shreder bands in the 80s,it started > turning > > into weight lifting sports arena and the innocence > of > > rock n roll started getting lost... > > Luis > > > If you're talking about Beck Hansen I totally agree! > I love his > musical sense of humor. And I think he uses guitar > in a cool way, no > matter if he plays it by his own fingers or samples > blues artist's > recordings. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 13:41:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E7AF3BF3F; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46EFD705.30002@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:47:49 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: Guitar looper (1st post btw) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9LJW8D.A.pQ.yV97GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74637 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Hi all, first post here, though Loopers Delight cirtainly isn't unknown to me ;) Ooups - or ist it looups.. :-D, turned into a longish post.. Building my new guitar rack, I need a (preferably) stereo looper. As I'm not yet into the loop stuff, I'm unsure about features like autosizing phrases to tap tempo - whatsit called in the right terms? I've read differing remarks on the difficulty of hitting buttons at the exact right timings.. others commented such autosizing often works in mysterious ways, not always sounding too musical ;) I'm also unsure about being able to manage adding more phrases one after another and overdubbing, while actually _playing_ the guitars. I can imagine doing some limited overdubbing, but not much more. AFAICS, I'll have three stomp buttons available on my midi controller in case a looper should be midi-based. However, it does seem most devices either have dedicated controllers or are stomps. Rack mounting stomps and interfacing DIY button arrangements won't present too much of a problem. Poked around here and on the net, and haven't found many useful devices. Two sync'd Echoplex's would do, but too much space and money; sorry.. A mem-upgraded Lex Jamman might do, though looptime is relatively short. Being stereo in a 2U rackbox is an advantage, though, and it's midi implementation seems to allow my needed features.. Apart from rack mounted devices, I consider rebuilding two mono stomps into one box and synchronize them for stereo operation (I have electronics education). The Akai E2 Headrush comes to mind.. Other stomps recommended on usenet is: Boss RC-2/20/22, Boomerang Phrase Sampler, zoom 508, Digitech Jamman. Recordings I've heard with mono looping sounds somewhat 'flat', even when the player continues playing other stuff with wide stereo effects. I'm aware most stereo effects loose out in live performances; still, a good reason for looping, even in the studio, is that it reflects my immidiate moods and creative mind. So, I will prefer stereo.. Comments? -- rgds, van Sinn "It begins with a blessing, and ends with a curse. Making life easy, by making it worse." -- Soft Machine From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 13:46:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8DB613BF5F; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d801c7f9fa$4b973750$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> <46EF5D1C.6050800@mhorse.com> <002101c7f9b4$a1287080$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1C732AD6-212F-49D3-A038-76DFE28D033B@gmail.com> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:46:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74638 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:46:22 +0000 (UTC) > On 18 sep 2007, at 07.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> At one point in the interview, he claimed that he thought there wasn't >> anything that he couldn't do on the guitar. Clueless. I'm happy to say >> that I've long since forgotten all those Malmsteen runs, and that I'd >> just like to see half of these shreaders try what they do on a totally >> clean sound, with no massive gain or distortation to back them up > > > I think your comment, above, lacks the same kind of musical understanding > that is lacking those "shredders"; the misbelief that it is about *the > playing* when the real thing actually is about *the music*. Well, I do understand, Per, which is why I feel I can poke fun at the whole genre and approach (what I'm doing) - I lived and breathed the life of a shreader at one point in time. It's not about understanding, rather my right and ability to have an opinion on the approach 20 year later. It's all music. I'm just stying I thought Malmsteen's attitude sucked in the interview and he came across as pompous, and that having played like that, I can say it is a lot harder to do with a clean sound. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that I don't understand the music just because I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or that I don't place the same value that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and scales with high gain. That is my own prerogative and personal expression. Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should have picked on Gilbert or Macalpine. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:01:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 407A63BF3D; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 663847955 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: OT fretless Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DF758@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <46ED3F8A.1030401@biink.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT fretless Thread-Index: Acf5/GNe65cmem9AQCOUw0jN8qVsyQ== References: <46ED3F8A.1030401@biink.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2007 14:01:19.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[63629B70:01C7F9FC] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74639 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:01:24 +0000 (UTC) > i think jaco was more interested in glassing his brain,then his=20 > frettboard....MICMANUS oh, suddenly I am enlightened. thanks for the comment about JZ too.=20 got anything else to contribute or did you delurk expressly to speak ill of the dead? duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:01:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F5553BF81; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:01:22 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74640 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:01:26 +0000 (UTC) < [cut] I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or that I don't place the > same value that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and scales with > high gain. That is my own prerogative and personal expression. > > Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should have picked on Gilbert > or Macalpine. :) I'll see if I can find that interview with Malmsteen and McLaughlin....I do recall one thing that I really liked about what Malmsteen said. I believe the interviewer asked him why he played so fast, and he response was because that was how he felt. I thought that was a totally valid and interesting response, and I respected him for it. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:04:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 052FF3BF7A; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:04:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001d01c7f9fc$c980e150$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: great picasso quote about abstract art Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:04:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74641 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:04:02 +0000 (UTC) I really resonated with this quotation I just discovered, it defines my own aesthetic about digital and acoustic sound design. There is no abstract art. You must always start with something. Afterward you can remove all traces of reality. ---Pablo Picasso From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:17:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ED2053BF5B; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:11:30 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74642 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:17:13 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, nico spahni wrote: > Rune, here's a book that may provide answers to some of your questions (and > leave you with dozens of other interesting issues to follow-up). > > The Ambient Century: from Mahler to Moby - the Evolution of Sound in the > Electronic Age by Mark Prendergast with a foreword by Brian Eno Strong second recommendation for the book Nico mentioned, I was very impressed by it when I read it. Here's the Amazon listing for the book, with reviews. The most recent reviews seem quite negative, though. http://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Century-Moby-Evolution-Electronic/dp/1582343233/ best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:25:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99F023BF42; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:25:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=w7dQTaVmTFclTWPCRUpdDbf3a358UpcvB0vniahlCzU=; b=UxPDXSCNc0EEHE7SqgIMAM9HiB10nz/MjWEy0lUwEKT9BAMvk7Res4J0UeSUjLyQlRWJvBLhdWOk7MruOUrd0SuhSJSmEOc9XN3KI2TeuH2UGwY9OTLvjbK0MlFN6FILogsrOoLN311JPi+Q5SgFX9pF558utrQel25vIw4LvLM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kNQxmD0uGz0A9Rv45fvoYIBshN5UOKxdbY8iUm1UV6NODwIWu2VTMqZWeGHpiCiCxOqXgcQCXbl4s0e4oInRFHW/kOrPvJi7NpCS19KebChdZ7NdF1e+QH3d9uZ42coZBkHJB5iIXzJY/z9vSDS0q6ZlRelj5Nd1yDGExuaTXiE= In-Reply-To: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:24:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74643 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:25:07 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2007, at 16.01, Krispen Hartung wrote: > < [cut] I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or that I don't place the >> same value that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and scales >> with high gain. That is my own prerogative and personal expression. >> >> Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should have picked on >> Gilbert >> or Macalpine. :) > > I'll see if I can find that interview with Malmsteen and > McLaughlin....I do recall one > thing that I really liked about what Malmsteen said. I believe the > interviewer asked > him why he played so fast, and he response was because that was how > he felt. I thought > that was a totally valid and interesting response, and I respected > him for it. I'm sure his "bad" attitude is truly genuine and as such perfectly accurate. In the same sense, wasn't Paganini and Mozart punks too? ;-) I think Yngwie has a wonderful guitar tone and way of phrasing but there goes my limit for what I can stand of his music. I just can't help that I like his attitude and tone so much more than his music. I wonder what John would have asked if given the same question. Any guesses? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:25:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A6F93BF64; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=R-q7VkonAAAA:8 a=Dh8o4kmBAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=AgDfZZrOnNuWHV0BgZ8A:9 a=BRfDhlg6Hpt8s7uVe9EA:7 a=NaKr3GIFbyjY5c2tgIxyrtN15rcA:4 a=soHY4ZIH9rIA:10 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=JN35CgLez50A:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=PxHhwJ9AYXMA:10 a=qjICSlAsDIBRklExHYIA:9 a=tgilIbEuRbbXClzcp-4A:7 a=8OdndTTaV5jsk9S4CIZhy0aVR5IA:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <138410.46504.qm@web26209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10--782530539 Message-Id: <92A85C59-65F0-42D9-AFBD-5EFCF7BAB835@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: Literature - articles - movies - comments and regarding Live Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:25:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74644 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:25:58 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10--782530539 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed strong third recommendation. even though i'm classically trained, i learned a lot about 20th century "classical" music and the spots where it crosses with what's more typically considered ambient. a really informative book. On Sep 18, 2007, at 10:11 AM, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, nico spahni wrote: > >> Rune, here's a book that may provide answers to some of your >> questions (and leave you with dozens of other interesting issues >> to follow-up). >> >> The Ambient Century: from Mahler to Moby - the Evolution of Sound >> in the Electronic Age by Mark Prendergast with a foreword by Brian >> Eno > > Strong second recommendation for the book Nico mentioned, I was > very impressed by it when I read it. Here's the Amazon listing for > the book, with reviews. The most recent reviews seem quite > negative, though. > > http://www.amazon.com/Ambient-Century-Moby-Evolution-Electronic/dp/ > 1582343233/ > > best, > Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-10--782530539 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII strong third recommendation. = even though i'm classically trained, i learned a lot about 20th century = "classical" music and the spots where it crosses with what's more = typically considered ambient. a really informative book.



    On Sep 18, 2007, at = 10:11 AM, burnett@pobox.com = wrote:

    On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, nico spahni = wrote:

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    Rune, here's a book that = may provide answers to some of your questions (and leave you with dozens = of other interesting issues to follow-up).

    The Ambient = Century: from Mahler to Moby - the Evolution of Sound in the Electronic = Age by Mark Prendergast with a foreword by Brian Eno
    =

    Strong second recommendation for the book Nico = mentioned, I was very impressed by it when I read it. Here's the Amazon = listing for the book, with reviews. The most recent reviews seem quite = negative, though.

    best,
    Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/

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    ric = hordinski

    www.richordinski.com

    www.myspace.com/richordinskim= usic

    www.myspace.com/monasterystud= io

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    = --Apple-Mail-10--782530539-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:29:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE8373BF80; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:29:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G3LHSCNng/qzahXomwfPZs0eh6/ya/f8V805p+WmMF6aBB3XKPWhfwGD9F1bfO/E2jDLy/Votj+iQfbWDnnP88NdKOSdcTVXH9uDnN/46DCEd8bzcrFe/xlhU6MoT2pkXbUnp2i5UDGjaA2H6YsNlrgxJ+lXJFLnDNpGE+OnwKY=; X-YMail-OSG: EP54kqYVM1mjDtuuZ_1qfII9Jgjo4QXZODB19g8kbALxisBYvuk1kYZ_dVbP.QuQ4evZ9jBfWnI.9zwCLrNnMJ97MKDUQlRERepK61YsC2EiQa53oG0- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:29:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: new Rane mixers To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000801c7f9ae$003b71f0$0200a8c0@daw1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <513893.97589.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74645 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:29:50 +0000 (UTC) i am just realising that Rane is updating their rackmount mixers,i was so excited about this one but realize no aux sends!why,why,why it would have been perfect!! http://www.rane.com/mlm82s.html then again this one does but only 4 channels and one aux send http://www.rane.com/mlm42s.html could work for a solo acoustic singer gig though always something missng damned! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4109F3BF93; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=Qc33vGZ1kpJubbPX4YfZ84CFUGfxPGGI5O1oSolGp/A=; b=lpS8yUe9f+yX2PMYvoW7IC0pT2O3G25c/9N/4FKSnxc8qf9J18/5M+w6cNsT0tAj6wGN5Ez364S0Q6wX0SyEwLdsSnWx8ovS0zCRnMHnoLJnOQKb6J53QARR0CrnthHqJlZ2i7nwdDeJC0CkMU1jDFwkKAEtJeigUoV/Jz/EbGo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=H96n9oTm0s7RuAVsMeTZSeAWYm0DOwlKh7xNkbdB3Pv6uZ/VJRwCpV8ziaTQ4dElOiOd1jLLqS79C/RPNAmNKLMcFcuNB4vf8Weza4ByKSwlLVfGz/oitzOx4OIp2TWUxdVJoWnZcSKcahA0u3MveKXEf01z34JUKkES4ES7BuI= In-Reply-To: <001d01c7f9fc$c980e150$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <001d01c7f9fc$c980e150$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: OT: great picasso quote about abstract art Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:32:06 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74646 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:32:11 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2007, at 16.04, Rick Walker wrote: > I really resonated with this quotation I just discovered, it > defines my own aesthetic > about digital and acoustic sound design. > > There is no abstract art. You must always start with something. > Afterward you can remove all traces of reality. > > > ---Pablo Picasso Interesting quote! I use to reverse engineer that technique when playing improvisations. Ie thinking the structures but only playing certain notes to imply them. For a listener this touches psychedelic areas, since the complete music is put together in his mind as an act of creative participation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:38:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6323BFA3; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=lAaehaerAEKcuMHobZF2+pF92bSMvGvVVtydTixtmbo=; b=ZHHjyVTLMBGo0vsZPvfGKJyK9OojV7BGn9hP9a2FNnNGpVq9LEqnbQ9vVwLKqNLtItRg0Yl6tDUG8j/AAfoWzCSNGcpiGh4JjSk/uzWypjZeytjNjY+jrGv0tWEctPNeC1PDX+6ILMS8C968PK0hQtaer6NbBrVJlhV0fWuxEQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=TWoeNaFkllNOn/YBzpWC7SnIjoHrI4PWmBpeyA8aOvT2epHFy5IlfocufDLlPcwoeGNHPtAZJNuxL1fkZl6b8uwZ5738TcqWKNQ3zYksEi3YIw2T+Nh+8HXOrAPfsU8O7L0Ly3jAvXu3OYzJ6c+nRjxKy5WKnJTGamejW6FdYjI= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:38:03 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7777_16881807.1190126283989" References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74647 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:38:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_7777_16881807.1190126283989 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline best shredding videos yet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJ1ccnC1GI&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMYeXkYcgs&mode=related&search= There were some Yngwie ones, but apparently his management team had them taken down. Tony On 9/18/07, Per Boysen wrote: > > On 18 sep 2007, at 16.01, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > < [cut] I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or that I don't place the > >> same value that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and scales > >> with high gain. That is my own prerogative and personal expression. > >> > >> Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should have picked on > >> Gilbert > >> or Macalpine. :) > > > > I'll see if I can find that interview with Malmsteen and > > McLaughlin....I do recall one > > thing that I really liked about what Malmsteen said. I believe the > > interviewer asked > > him why he played so fast, and he response was because that was how > > he felt. I thought > > that was a totally valid and interesting response, and I respected > > him for it. > > > I'm sure his "bad" attitude is truly genuine and as such perfectly > accurate. In the same sense, wasn't Paganini and Mozart punks > too? ;-) I think Yngwie has a wonderful guitar tone and way of > phrasing but there goes my limit for what I can stand of his music. I > just can't help that I like his attitude and tone so much more than > his music. I wonder what John would have asked if given the same > question. Any guesses? ;-) > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony ------=_Part_7777_16881807.1190126283989 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline best shredding videos yet...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evTTHS9hwvU&mode=related&search=
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pJ1ccnC1GI&mode=related&search=
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    There were some Yngwie ones, but apparently his management team had them taken down.

    Tony

    On 9/18/07, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 18 sep 2007, at 16.01, Krispen Hartung wrote:

    > < [cut]  I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or that I don't place the
    >> same value that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and scales
    >> with high gain. That is my own prerogative and personal expression.
    >>
    >> Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should have picked on
    >> Gilbert
    >> or Macalpine. :)
    >
    > I'll see if I can find that interview with Malmsteen and
    > McLaughlin....I do recall one
    > thing that I really liked about what Malmsteen said. I believe the
    > interviewer asked
    > him why he played so fast, and he response was because that was how
    > he felt. I thought
    > that was a totally valid and interesting response, and I respected
    > him for it.


    I'm sure his "bad" attitude is truly genuine and as such perfectly
    accurate. In the same sense, wasn't Paganini and Mozart punks
    too? ;-)  I think Yngwie has a wonderful guitar tone and way of
    phrasing but there goes my limit for what I can stand of his music. I
    just can't help that I like his attitude and tone so much more than
    his music. I wonder what John would have asked if given the same
    question. Any guesses? ;-)

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)







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    Tony ------=_Part_7777_16881807.1190126283989-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:40:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 99A003BEE7; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=T/Z2GKVnq+QR68Co0yI0q4fK+DytE9Ac+/TaKe4DcRfzu1yaJATNxpLtoLVDXh5I1FYe8phdn+zouhxBjV8+VhnHi8En6kxtou/n2QOX/OwnB45S0lgDo2r0yPmUQzf6SfQDgKUlv5NKT0XeCZh9TxLGXArwdky9tFMJZD0LAwc= ; X-YMail-OSG: SW9ybJ8VM1mMkm4Oz1T9ftsbSE.TXgcHeVAddbmWB257gz2LHpnSWEoibynlpIrFWu46.6d4du7YxYqftlvBW5pe5Ih5v8zGfaeLtz2y0Sq8271Smmej17SN8eQ- Message-ID: <007201c7f9d0$19c78b50$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: Subject: semi-OT: self contained looper Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:44:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7F9E0.DCF36E40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74648 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:40:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7F9E0.DCF36E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://fr.youtube.com:80/watch?v=3DYl0bT4fZ2qU It has some layering capabilities :-) but no input -:( Ben. ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7F9E0.DCF36E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    http://fr.youtube= .com:80/watch?v=3DYl0bT4fZ2qU
     
    It has some layering capabilities :-) = but no input=20 -:(
     
    Ben.
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C7F9E0.DCF36E40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 14:55:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40B753BFCF; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 08:55:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74649 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:55:16 +0000 (UTC) > > I'm sure his "bad" attitude is truly genuine and as such perfectly > accurate. In the same sense, wasn't Paganini and Mozart punks > too? ;-) True enough. Many virturoso players also act like spoiled brats. It's what happens when the genome puts too much energy into one set of skills...but neglects others (social) - the socially inept genius phenomenon. Heh heh. > I think Yngwie has a wonderful guitar tone and way of > phrasing but there goes my limit for what I can stand of his music. I > just can't help that I like his attitude and tone so much more than > his music. I wonder what John would have asked if given the same > question. Any guesses? ;-) Hmmm..., not sure. Because he drinks too much caffeinated tea? :) Better yet, so he can keep up when he playes with Joey Defrancesco. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 15:08:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C09343BF57; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:08:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:04:41 -0400 From: Dan Ash Subject: RE: OT fretless To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74650 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:08:29 +0000 (UTC) I think the OP posted this jab at JP as a fare-thee-well to the list. He had just previously posted several frustrated-sounding requests to be removed from LD. Just before he figured out how to unsubscribe he also took that witless swipe at Joe Zawinul - Good riddance says I. But seriouly, can we get back to talking about the GEAR? Dan Ash White Plains, NY > > Subject: > RE: OT fretless > From: > "Goddard, Duncan" > Date: > Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:01:19 +0100 > > To: > > > >> > i think jaco was more interested in glassing his brain,then his >> > frettboard....MICMANUS >> > > oh, suddenly I am enlightened. thanks for the comment about JZ too. > got anything else to contribute or did you delurk expressly to speak ill > of the dead? > > duncan. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 15:14:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04D393BF1E; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> References: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--779637147 Message-Id: <74F85074-D748-457B-81B0-D35BD5ACF22E@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: OT fretless Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:14:03 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2g6O5.A.OrG._s-7GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74651 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:14:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7--779637147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Jerry.... Jerry.... Jerry.... Jerry......... On Sep 18, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Dan Ash wrote: > > I think the OP posted this jab at JP as a fare-thee-well to the > list. He had just previously posted several frustrated-sounding > requests to be removed from LD. > > Just before he figured out how to unsubscribe he also took that > witless swipe at Joe Zawinul - Good riddance says I. > > But seriouly, can we get back to talking about the GEAR? > > > > Dan Ash > White Plains, NY --Apple-Mail-7--779637147 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


    =

    I think the OP posted this = jab at JP as a fare-thee-well to the list.=A0 He had just previously posted = several frustrated-sounding requests to be removed from LD.

    =


    Just before he figured out how to unsubscribe he also took = that witless swipe at Joe Zawinul - Good riddance says I.


    But seriouly, can we get back to talking about the = GEAR?


    <duck and cover>


    Dan = Ash

    White = Plains, NY


    = --Apple-Mail-7--779637147-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 15:23:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B7A3BFB0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=hieOvkPGxmpgNkX2zbd7XvqjvP0yRhY1RH4qwd6Ji/Y=; b=N+l8QUu+SgmhVgVNHMPp+CLT4UCIS+4FrWR0OcqrcS5Wkd6Q4oseHD8m+yOLWuHgkYBZEzJ9kR2VRzdhl5ua4u1nj6mUR0d+Gb6FB40JoXML5z9Yr8czn3nHoSVk9t2VrzzTGSYp28YCiT93Etqj5h4ZNwiJ8i1Xhzai69u9L40= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sJe/WB1QABiG2joJXQ6d+CeY3t1+5F2pwi/OO3LsJnPfrxWT4YJy+CPb5pkkQQQINA5DHlH9qLWvHm10UaynHXTslgktGCIAWzB9wZwfdmnqCLCIQeGKMHzp3HVT3bRZeYa1FRFjMv1J/F57LsLFlZsxAVhp6pvs/9Zvj4ZJjvM= In-Reply-To: <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:23:11 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74652 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:23:17 +0000 (UTC) >> I wonder what John would have asked if given the same question. >> Any guesses? ;-) On 18 sep 2007, at 16.55, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Hmmm..., not sure. Because he drinks too much caffeinated tea? :) > Better yet, so he can keep up when he playes with Joey Defrancesco. I remember reading a Guitar Player Mag interview with McLaughlin somwhere around 1980 where he was talking about the discipline in Indian music to practice timing measures as 10 beats against 11 and stuff like that. I just thought he was way over the top, but today I understand that you can achieve a natural feel for any odd rhythm, as most people have for 4/4 or 3/4. Lately I have been having a lot of fun with 7/8 and 5/4, which are rather basic compared to the Indian way ;-) but I have experienced that the more time you spend improvising according to an odd rhythm the less "odd" it feels. Until it becomes part of your musical "inner radar" as simply natural. To me this experience strengthens my belief that the ability to make music (to "shred" in a meaningful way) is not coming out of technical playing skills but rather as the fruit of your musical imagination. "Chops" being just the starting point as part of the toolbox. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 16:48:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 133833BF68; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--774004826 From: Richard Roberts Subject: Re: OT: great picasso quote about abstract art Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:47:56 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <37FKBC.A.9BE.EFA8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74653 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:48:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--774004826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 18 sep 2007, at 16.04, Rick Walker wrote: > I really resonated with this quotation I just discovered, it > defines my own aesthetic > about digital and acoustic sound design. > > There is no abstract art. You must always start with something. > Afterward you can remove all traces of reality. > > > ---Pablo Picasso > Interesting quote! I use to reverse engineer that technique when playing improvisations. Ie thinking the structures but only playing certain notes to imply them. For a listener this touches psychedelic areas, since the complete music is put together in his mind as an act of creative participation. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) Yes, I use something like this as well, like playing just a motif as a hint instead of an entire melody. Richard Roberts ZERO OHMS "We are no longer the same after hearing certain sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds organized by another human being: music." - Karlheinz Stockhausen "If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD WAS MUSIC." - Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. --Apple-Mail-2--774004826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    On 18 sep = 2007, at 16.04, Rick Walker wrote:


    I really = resonated with this quotation I just discovered, =A0 it defines my own = aesthetic
    about digital and acoustic sound = design.

    There is no abstract art. You must always start with = something. Afterward you can remove all traces of reality.
    =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 ---Pablo Picasso



    Interesting quote! I use to = reverse engineer that technique when playing improvisations. Ie thinking = the structures but only playing certain notes to imply them. For a = listener this touches psychedelic areas, since the complete music is put = together in his mind as an act of creative = participation.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)


    Yes, I use something like this = as well, like playing just a motif as a hint instead of an entire = melody.

    "We are no longer the same after hearing certain = sounds, and this is more the case when we hear organized sounds, sounds = organized by another human being: = music."=A0=A0
    - Karlheinz = Stockhausen

    - Kurt=A0Vonnegut, = Jr.=A0
    = --Apple-Mail-2--774004826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 17:03:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AB2783BF72; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 598148875 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE:peater (was OT fretless) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DF92B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE:peater (was OT fretless) Thread-Index: Acf6FZrFux5w6apBSCK5W5524xx/Rg== References: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2007 17:01:47.0970 (UTC) FILETIME=[997CD220:01C7FA15] Resent-Message-ID: <4waljC.A.Q-E.QTA8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74654 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:03:12 +0000 (UTC) >>But seriously, can we get back to talking about the GEAR?<< yeah, OK. erm.... so the new repeater software.... anyone given it a good thrashing yet? I can't get used to the thing staying in record when I get to the end of a brand-new loop. it's wonderful, but needs caution, especially if you have to carry on playing but don't necessarily want to double-track the first few notes of y'r loop...... as for midi-looping, I am still nuts about the p3 midi sequencer being able to record polyphonic loops & stay in replace/overdub. I can't think of another midi devcice past or present that does this. that better? :-) d. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 17:14:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 39E3F3BFA6; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:14:33 EDT Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c41.1de23147.34216179_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <77J51C.A.rmF.IeA8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74655 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:14:49 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c41.1de23147.34216179_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit wow.....the one with ozzy clapping crushed me!.....they all had me rotflmao.....but what totally amazed me was the fact that the "bad" playing sounded just like me trying to "shred".....so that's what i sound like.....yikes.....i will never try to play any faster than an 1/8 note ever again.....is it a genetic thing to make all those faces and movements (is this what constitutes a good stage presence?).....or did we all grow up being programed to do this?.....i promise to continue to stare at my feet and play slow from now on.....wasn't it yangwe who said "unleash the fury".....well it better be put back in the bottle i think.....funny stuff!.....thnaks matt.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c41.1de23147.34216179_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable wow.....the one with ozzy clapping crus= hed me!.....they all had me rotflmao.....but what totally amazed me was the=20= fact that the "bad" playing sounded just like me trying to "shred".....so th= at's what i sound like.....yikes.....i will never try to play any faster tha= n an 1/8 note ever again.....is it a genetic thing to make all those faces a= nd movements (is this what constitutes a good stage presence?).....or did we= all grow up being programed to do this?.....i promise to continue to stare=20= at my feet and play slow from now on.....wasn't it yangwe who said "unleash=20= the fury".....well it better be put back in the bottle i think.....funny stu= ff!.....thnaks matt.....michael



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    --b1_17d7c569bafd4e9c97eb55df6ab78a72-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 17:53:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 28B783BFB1; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:53:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74657 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:53:40 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- > Lately I have been having a lot of fun with 7/8 and 5/4, which are rather > basic compared to the Indian way ;-) but I have experienced that the > more time you spend improvising according to an odd rhythm the less "odd" > it feels. Until it becomes part of your musical "inner radar" as simply > natural. Good for you. Playing in odd signatures is a major weakness of mine that I just haven't had the time to address. Of course now, I perform with no meter, but in my past experience in playing progressive rock and jazz in odd time signatures, I always struggled with soloing over these forms. It's one of my Achilles Heel's. > To me this experience strengthens my belief that the ability to make > music (to "shred" in a meaningful way) is not coming out of technical > playing skills but rather as the fruit of your musical imagination. I'd say that is more true for the more mature and seasoned shreaders. I can say for a fact that when I was 19 years old, for me and the handful of other rockers in the area, creativity was the last thing on our minds when it came to soloing. We were in race with the devil. If there wasn't smoke coming off of our guitar necks and we weren't chewing through one pick after another than someting was wrong. We didn't really care about how creative the solos were....rather it was all about the flash and speed. And when you are playing that fast, there is not much more you can do but play scales and arpeggios, which isn't exactly creative.....some of us now call that "practicing" the rudiments, rather than performing a live solo. :) But honestly, if you listen to most of these guys soling, it is predominantly scales and arpeggios. I gave up on that approach when I discovered Racer X's second album "Second Heat" with one of Gilbert's protoge student, Bruce Broulliette dueling with him. Since then, I have never heard another human being play the guitar that fast. In fact, when I first heard it, my ego was shocked and stunned, because I couldn't even mimick the speed like I did with Gilbert, Malmsteen, etc. I was convinced that this guy sold his soul to the devil to play that super huma fast. I heard it and said to myself: "impossible". > "Chops" being just the starting point as part of the toolbox. Agreed. Kris > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 17:57:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E2A83BFB8; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=npE/ipZAaGhlWBwWU28D359hJSACpDgJSa4TVuaaZs0=; b=lDJREG6PC4xiMO8lOtiVvokowDeoiMq8Jm0EjoNJI1YzBZtfrfebuuzZQ69S+U6uPPOMw8BuafjK+GgEzxNpO+U9OgfKndbgMEZFLmQr72HkyFE7XQUIeBU5X9o0WxOmSfH/qd8dG0hFVhyXqITuhFFRT7DtGwVITJxUY54Gd7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ooWSBVA3dqBv+DUNB9Sfcbz+DazMdaSh+Rr4KiUPceF9nIPWOOyesHGS9vssYw2Ynb2HfFoH8Xlxfn5wpR2p43eH7jjGIKyfawjGWdXGItYMKp6az+BEqqM4joCz3TrjSwijSX/7aVbBcERAJ0BoeBPm0E4r+BSwoQT3rZxQ2p8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:57:26 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19707_18077079.1190138246184" References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74658 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:57:30 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19707_18077079.1190138246184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > I gave up on that approach when I discovered Racer X's second album > "Second > Heat" > with one of Gilbert's protoge student, Bruce Broulliette dueling with him. > Since then, > I have never heard another human being play the guitar that fast. In fact, > when I first > heard it, my ego was shocked and stunned, because I couldn't even mimick > the > speed > like I did with Gilbert, Malmsteen, etc. I was convinced that this guy > sold > his soul to > the devil to play that super huma fast. I heard it and said to myself: > "impossible". Mattias IA Eklundh. > "Chops" being just the starting point as part of the toolbox. > > Agreed. > > Kris > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19707_18077079.1190138246184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


    I gave up on that approach when I discovered Racer X's second album "Second
    Heat"
    with one of Gilbert's protoge student, Bruce Broulliette dueling with him.
    Since then,
    I have never heard another human being play the guitar that fast. In fact,
    when I first
    heard it, my ego was shocked and stunned, because I couldn't even mimick the
    speed
    like I did with Gilbert, Malmsteen, etc. I was convinced that this guy sold
    his soul to
    the devil to play that super huma fast. I heard it and said to myself:
    "impossible".

    Mattias IA Eklundh.

    > "Chops" being just the starting point as part of the toolbox.

    Agreed.

    Kris


    > Greetings from Sweden
    >
    > Per Boysen
    > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    > www.looproom.com (international)
    >
    >
    >
    >




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    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19707_18077079.1190138246184-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:32:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C5663BF10; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:32:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7hSMYD.A.0uB.EnB8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74659 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) >>Mattias IA Eklundh. I listened to some MP3s...he's pretty damn fast. It's so hard to tell at this speed, but I still think Bruce takes the cake. Hard to tell for certain though. We'd need a computer program to take measurements for us! :) Mattias is doing some interesting things, however. Bruce here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQr5fwkhjc (with all the requisite face making)...he starts kicking into gear about 1:04 Or here http://www.mp3sparks.com/r2/Racer_X/Second_Heat/group_70312/album_1/mcatalog.shtml (On Sacrifice, 0:24 is Bruce, playing on his neck pickup, as he often did then) The guys voice still cracks me up...gives me a soar through just thinking about it. What is amazing ot me is some of the bass player who are able to play the some of the runs with these guitarists in unison. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:38:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 442163BFB7; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:37:45 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-reply-to: <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74660 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:38:38 +0000 (UTC) > I still > think Bruce takes the cake. Hard to tell for certain though. We'd > need a computer program > to take measurements for us Did you ever listen to Shawn Lane? I still say he was the fastest dude out there. I actually enjoyed his later music with Hellborg, Lane, and Sipe, too. Pretty much all improv. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:45:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 749F33BFBB; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=KA7Yo0+WzMAk9sCyWwPVOzRB7fgSIJpQnnOx0CPL7Ro=; b=MHmw1WjAHLwDfytOOp+G6BFY6P5bxnnMG6Jr103wAaj0yKbvzJd1AWoBUgVIVBUzPjpJqlYpurx1EGYGMkwrlccanRf2FfIS5Hq7foh78MNsMiWKALaMa666M5VFQxm0gzjzrvFhpaaeacPYpu8sNVgsYxFfgPqbaIh41A8UomI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=X4Nx/GVjpusup2krg5fJjPsvTeENaT9DdC4IYvbzm+VPvqxZsJTpzQ3ii56Ag1JudUIHf6yW9PdPO0Be3cpnnhUzpgF/sqdjNgO7ECzclmXLY7TZJuYTiLjK8ufFuJpmG1vesQSZQpi13LzZ3m0DFHAPLekvrz8oy+dTDiQO+ag= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:45:09 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_19954_11692518.1190141109249" References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74661 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:45:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_19954_11692518.1190141109249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Now it'll be Mattias who will play with Hellborg on with the name "Art Metal". I think their album hits the stores in October. Did you ever listen to Shawn Lane? I still say he was the fastest > dude out there. I actually enjoyed his later music with Hellborg, > Lane, and Sipe, too. Pretty much all improv. > > Jeff > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19954_11692518.1190141109249 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

     

    Now it'll be Mattias who will play with Hellborg on
    with the name "Art Metal". I think their album hits
    the stores in October.


    Did you ever listen to Shawn Lane? I still say he was the fastest
    dude out there. I actually enjoyed his later music with Hellborg,
    Lane, and Sipe, too. Pretty much all improv.

    Jeff




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    definitely mattias is far better... he plays with more precision, less effects, ...
    check out his second album "the road less travelled" on vai's favored nations.

    raul.
     

    Bruce here:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQr5fwkhjc (with all the requisite face
    making)...he starts kicking into gear about 1:04

    Or here
    http://www.mp3sparks.com/r2/Racer_X/Second_Heat/group_70312/album_1/mcatalog.shtml
    (On Sacrifice, 0:24 is Bruce, playing on his neck pickup, as he often did
    then)

    The guys voice still cracks me up...gives me a soar through just thinking
    about it.

    What is amazing ot me is some of the bass player who are able to play the
    some of the runs with these guitarists
    in unison.

    Kris




    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_19968_9284738.1190141356740-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 18:50:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37363BF4D; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <4C079FA0-B8E6-4955-A93E-4C7C6FA44519@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--766636530 From: The woodshed Subject: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:50:44 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74663 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:50:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--766636530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just like to finally say hello and introduce myself, I have been =20 lurking here for quite a while now and would like to thank all the =20 contributors over the years who made the archive an incredible =20 resource that has helped me on my =93live looping=94 path. Finally =20 plucked up courage to ask a question sooo..... I do not get on with Laptops as instruments (my failing!) and am =20 looking for hardware alternatives. I have been thinking of assembling the following setup and wondered =20 if anyone had any better and cheaper ideas on how I could go about this. I want to ditch the laptop and assemble an =93analog modular =20 looper=94with this sampling module at its heart http://=20 www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.htm http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/index2.htm Four or more of these units coupled with a Doepfer Schalterk sequencer http://www.doepfer.de/swe.htm some analog modules filters, envelope generators and analog clocks =20 might produce a really interesting looping machine. The sample record can be done via footswitch, as soon as it is mapped =20= and it could be then triggered by a clock LFO or sequencer. Bad / good or over expensive-for-what-you-get-idea? Sorry if this has been dealt with in the past! leon (There are some examples of my attempts at piano playing and looping =20 here www.leon1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Electronic%20/Electronic.htm Scroll down for the looping, using a Fender Rhodes and Boss Gigadelays.= --Apple-Mail-1--766636530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252

    =A0
    Just like to finally say hello and introduce myself, I = have been lurking here for quite a while now and would like to thank all = the contributors over the years who made the archive an incredible = resource that has helped me on my =93live looping=94 path.=A0Finally plucked up courage to ask a question = sooo.....
    =A0
    I do not get on with Laptops as instruments (my failing!) = and am looking for hardware alternatives. =
    I have been = thinking of assembling the following setup and wondered if anyone had = any better and cheaper ideas on how I could go about this. =
    I want to = ditch the laptop and assemble an =93analog modular looper=94with this = sampling module at its heart http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.htm
    =A0
    http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/index2.htm=
    =A0
    Four or more of these units coupled with a Doepfer = Schalterk sequencer

    http://www.doepfer.de/swe.htm

    some analog modules filters, envelope generators and = analog clocks might produce a really interesting looping = machine.
    The = sample record can be done via footswitch, as soon as it is mapped and it = could be then triggered by a clock LFO or sequencer.

    Bad = / good or over expensive-for-what-you-get-idea?=A0


    Sorry = if this has been dealt with in the past!

    leon


    (There= are some examples of my attempts at piano playing and looping = here

    www.leon1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Electronic%20/Electroni= c.htm

    Scroll down for the looping, using a Fender Rhodes = and Boss Gigadelays.
    = --Apple-Mail-1--766636530-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 19:17:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 852C03BFC0; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:17:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:13:54 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial In-reply-to: <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8934A5FB-9C3B-4AB4-A0A3-64674763FBD4@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74664 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:17:26 +0000 (UTC) It's so hard to tell at this speed, but I still > think Bruce takes the cake. Guthrie Govan is another guy to keep an eye on. He's got amazing chops, but, imo, and more importantly, it doesn't seem like there's any style of music the guy can't play, and he's very lyrical and musical. Check out his cd, "Erotic Cakes". Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 19:39:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B1A003BF17; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:39:55 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c7fa2b$b0a416f0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4C079FA0-B8E6-4955-A93E-4C7C6FA44519@blueyonder.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf6JNQ+Wsek73k1T6+wPePFUZ53JAABnb2Q X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIWZsSiE6Q== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <3ka78B.A.6zG.1lC8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74665 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Leon said: >I do not get on with Laptops as instruments (my failing!) and am looking for hardware alternatives. >I have been thinking of assembling the following setup and wondered if anyone had any better and cheaper ideas on how I could go about this. >I want to ditch the laptop and assemble an "analog modular looper"with this sampling module at its heart http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.htm I guess for your application, a Nord Modular (whichever variant) in combination with a hardware looper (EDP, Repeater, Looperlative) should do the trick. Our own Claude Voit (http://www.claudevoit.ch/) has done completely otherwordly things with the EDP/Modular combo. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:26:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 52FC43BFA8; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.69.169] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070918044011.2AC703BFAD@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "samba -" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Scofield looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 13:26:48 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Sep 2007 20:26:52.0456 (UTC) FILETIME=[3F886280:01C7FA32] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74666 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:26:54 +0000 (UTC) Saw Medeski Martin and Wood with Scofild this weekend,and Scofile did a liittle bit of looping ,couldn't see what he was using. Medeski is a maniac. I've also seen Marie Daulne of Zap Mama looping African scat.extremely cool _________________________________________________________________ Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobilehotmail/default.mspx?WT.mc_ID=MobileHMTagline From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:30:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 046353BFA8; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <016b01c7fa32$b805dfd0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: Scofield looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:30:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74667 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Sco is probably using this: http://johnscofield.com/equipment.html Kris > Saw Medeski Martin and Wood with Scofild this weekend,and Scofile did a > liittle bit of looping ,couldn't see what he was using. Medeski is a > maniac. I've also seen Marie Daulne of Zap Mama looping African > scat.extremely cool > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the device you want, with the Hotmail® you love. > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/mobilehotmail/default.mspx?WT.mc_ID=MobileHMTagline > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:36:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BBDB3BFBC; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Scofield looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:36:52 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c7fa33$a526d490$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <016b01c7fa32$b805dfd0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Thread-Index: Acf6MrjaKnb+6KjmSBOArmiYo55SHwAAFb2Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId8ETrw1A== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <9wepiB.A.OmB.LbD8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74668 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:36:28 +0000 (UTC) > Sco is probably using this: > > http://johnscofield.com/equipment.html > Holy smokes! He's got like three loopers in his setup (Boomerang, DL4 and RC20(XL?)). It's also interesting to see that he doesn't have any multi-effect thingies in his board, all dedicated boxes: one for the distortion, one for the chorus, one for the wah, one for the EQ, three for the looping... Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 20:58:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 312683BFB8; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017a01c7fa36$b402f860$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01c7fa33$a526d490$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Scofield looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:58:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74669 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Yup, and he has some amazing tone. I was so in love with his tone 4 years ago that I created a pedal board exactly like what you see below...down to the model of pedels. It is interesting to see he is using Vox and Mesa Mark I's too...I could have sworn that for a while he was using Matchless. And of course, Sco is still my favorite modern jazz guitarist. I think the way he plays inside and out, and integrates jazz, funk, and down home blue is brilliant. Many folks ask how he gets that Leslie like tone on his guitar....well, it's that purple Ibanez chorus...that is teh magic box. You crank both nobs up to 10 and turn it on...wonderful. I became addicted to that sound. Kris >> Sco is probably using this: >> >> http://johnscofield.com/equipment.html >> > > Holy smokes! He's got like three loopers in his setup (Boomerang, DL4 and > RC20(XL?)). > It's also interesting to see that he doesn't have any multi-effect > thingies > in his board, all dedicated boxes: one for the distortion, one for the > chorus, one for the wah, one for the EQ, three for the looping... > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 21:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 009CF3BFA2; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:12:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=duDRaUsk2NVsuWzcJbAq5HZmS4tMNu9r1IInAH2ibFg=; b=lgfulOcCk47ZVblRUCuRhn+qjPo2o4ntD9wd7D+eWXSokLdI7xM7tj0iykD9ZmmCO5RXSUteaFM7xX3SGqviy/0zvn6N/kM8+mkP8HQbX3AYBlTexCwXgaakaocD/xXAGI27mYg+jsGiPLtn59/dyO9boJHAp3PFWH3Z7XBEkzE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=grVG3Dsp7JfoYzp58RYyCI6yHEsPBtA6B1J9fnZRXBCU0ALRxMDLCtfvKyjHfxf0YKLr+rvXj6OaM4HVF3DfV2Xi7whk+I6WPG2Qa2ni+nGm7+ulOwSrz1HhTjgijir0BdgVJadFGbCzhQ2Ljoqq8b27b1DfOCz5ZRdBu8NYIUM= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <00e501c7f9fc$65f04b30$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <011201c7fa03$eba39280$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <578A9E5A-40C7-488E-96AF-4E81A8B7CCF1@gmail.com> <012301c7fa1c$d77cd820$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <014101c7fa22$4795a510$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <067C8EFC-F5D8-439C-924C-43AF477C58A2@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:12:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74670 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:12:30 +0000 (UTC) On 18 sep 2007, at 20.49, Raul Bonell wrote: > definitely mattias is far better... he plays with more precision, > less effects, ... > check out his second album "the road less travelled" on vai's > favored nations. I like IA's playing a lot. Back in May we played at the same show and I had a chance to listen very closely to his Art Metal band. What is so cool with IA is that he plays in a funny way. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 21:27:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D04023BF2F; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Message-ID: <007c01c7fa3a$ad154d10$4001a8c0@mini> From: "Claude Voit" To: References: <000d01c7fa2b$b0a416f0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:27:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74671 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:27:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? > Leon said: >>I do not get on with Laptops as instruments (my failing!) and am looking > for hardware alternatives. >>I have been thinking of assembling the following setup and wondered if > anyone had any better and cheaper ideas on how I could go about this. >>I want to ditch the laptop and assemble an "analog modular looper"with >>this > sampling module at its heart > http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.htm > > I guess for your application, a Nord Modular (whichever variant) in > combination with a hardware looper (EDP, Repeater, Looperlative) should do > the trick. Our own Claude Voit (http://www.claudevoit.ch/) has done > completely otherwordly things with the EDP/Modular combo. > > Rainer I have been again at it lately (didnt touch my big rack and loopers since the zurich festival......) wow geting it back with a so complex system was funny and scary : -how did I do this tune ? -where are the backup files ? -where is my nordmod manual on the hd ? -didnt I save this somewhere ? -what was that intended for ? -and that ? -isnt it a bit late to ask Sean a new Raymond improvement (raymond pmc10 editor) :-) -where is my sounddiver original CD ? .......... so as you can see all the gear/system is working fine but the owner has ram problems.... 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    Bank of America Online Banking Support From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 23:04:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 01B973BF66; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:06:22 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: Scofield looping In-reply-to: <017a01c7fa36$b402f860$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <8A3EBD49-32DB-4747-B191-501C785E5CC1@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 References: <000c01c7fa33$a526d490$1001a8c0@succubus> <017a01c7fa36$b402f860$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74672 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:04:29 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 18, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Yup, and he has some amazing tone. What album are you referring to? Or are you talking about live? I must say, I think his tone on "Bump" is among the worst recorded guitars sounds in history. Sounds like a dying chicken to me. But some of his other stuff I'm definitely into. Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 18 23:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BED3C3BF81; Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <019601c7fa49$6c9c7ce0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000c01c7fa33$a526d490$1001a8c0@succubus> <017a01c7fa36$b402f860$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <8A3EBD49-32DB-4747-B191-501C785E5CC1@midway.uchicago.edu> Subject: Re: Scofield looping Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:12:44 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74673 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:12:47 +0000 (UTC) >> Yup, and he has some amazing tone. > > What album are you referring to? Or are you talking about live? I must > say, I think his tone on "Bump" is among the worst recorded guitars > sounds in history. Sounds like a dying chicken to me. But some of his > other stuff I'm definitely into. Sounds good to me...Three Sisters, etc. It's sound like that same ol' loose, dirty, and rough around the edges Scofield tone. It's the same guitar, that's for sure. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 00:13:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F2A13BF72; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:13:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070918171544.02b84a20@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:16:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: RE:peater (was OT fretless) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DF92B@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.m tvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> <46EFE909.7050508@Verizon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21233B11 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74674 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:13:37 +0000 (UTC) The MC-505 Smiles, CQ :) At 06:01 PM 9/18/2007 +0100, you wrote: > >>But seriously, can we get back to talking about the GEAR?<< > >yeah, OK. erm.... so the new repeater software.... anyone given it a >good thrashing yet? I can't get used to the thing staying in record when >I get to the end of a brand-new loop. it's wonderful, but needs caution, >especially if you have to carry on playing but don't necessarily want to >double-track the first few notes of y'r loop...... > >as for midi-looping, I am still nuts about the p3 midi sequencer being >able to record polyphonic loops & stay in replace/overdub. I can't think >of another midi devcice past or present that does this. > >that better? :-) > >d. > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: >9/18/2007 11:53 AM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 11:53 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 02:08:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25FAE3BF66; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=efl8eSrakazfr0Yw6aHnK95ThRmiUOT2J95fLosEJ913LZHjjw1n6Mj7c0V+eyAuudthzzcN8LhMDioQH0RX4TnCSy4vQicd0RMLayYyA0SnxiFDs/8B5Hj3642YxuiP9QUga0mjKOuixeTNrMNopVuoYDuRLhZ+H4TVPvcenbY=; X-YMail-OSG: vrg76sIVM1kLAHP9F7FGAzeLsZSF3x6i_atbmaMDXFoU00V2o17Npiz1SOapeM8nwQGWhcQ1jmJm4y0jWXXy0PxTOnYroTfXvpEg.n2RyFhLK1s493LsJIkHWHt2bw-- Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <675896.77315.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74675 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:08:21 +0000 (UTC) you guys got it all wrong this guy is it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPsoKBZYO4 --- Raul Bonell wrote: > Now it'll be Mattias who will play with Hellborg on > > with the name "Art Metal". I think their album hits > the stores in October. > > > Did you ever listen to Shawn Lane? I still say he > was the fastest > > dude out there. I actually enjoyed his later music > with Hellborg, > > Lane, and Sipe, too. Pretty much all improv. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: > http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: > http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 02:24:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505E73BF7B; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:24:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c7fa64$33478ff0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <675896.77315.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:24:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74676 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 02:24:28 +0000 (UTC) > you guys got it all wrong > this guy is it > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuPsoKBZYO4 I love it. I'd rather listen to this. With a little work, he could be a the Derek Baily of the mandolin. :) Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 03:06:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5575E3BF66; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <000e01c7fa64$33478ff0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <675896.77315.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <000e01c7fa64$33478ff0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6591c29af726ca6f2c2f40d673ac7c0f@charter.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:06:39 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <1UaiJD.A.a6E.GJJ8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74677 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Or the Dr. Eugene Chadbourne of the mandolin. Ever seen that guy. Jeff Kaiser has played with him a few times (way back when). Some of the most ridiculously amazing chops AND atonal banjo and /or guitar weirdness I've ever witnessed in one human being . . . and he sings too. Ted www.tedkillian.com On Sep 18, 2007, at 7:24 PM, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I love it. I'd rather listen to this. With a little work, he could > be a the Derek Baily of the mandolin. :) > Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 03:08:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E92A63BF6F; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [4.246.78.114] X-Originating-Email: [sambacomet@hotmail.com] X-Sender: sambacomet@hotmail.com From: "samba -" To: org.opn.lists.ocfdiscuss@lists.opn.org Subject: WOODSTOCKHAUSEN this Sat. Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:08:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 03:08:41.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[617B5AE0:01C7FA6A] Resent-Message-ID: <0_F_bC.A.dCF.7KJ8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74678 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 03:08:43 +0000 (UTC) Please fwd: In Ben Lomond Ca,Santa Cruz area,this Saturday Sept 22nd, Woodstockhausen , Festival of Esoteric Music with live video arts returns for 2007 The concept The Artists: _________________________________________________________________ Discover sweet stuff waiting for you at the Messenger Cafe.  Claim your treat today! http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_SeptHMtagline2 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 04:18:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92A993BF5D; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:18:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=RFjGQLD9FLG072LWtw2P62Po8McdqJtUeD8eLliCJo3kNSMnn4cakpovpLwZIqByU14YOPe/vVDwVXYvit/MY2d8nhAq3KipTnKSbN7gqmLyv6VBmVlvGeVzhfx358EI86Z3QC2WukYqgVWfExiOx6GvDT2g5tEFb3wID4VpdR0=; X-YMail-OSG: Z6ShI8AVM1m3Ts3d968UgYjqju_Y2mZmUcHQqJ.B9M.fyDTt_.BV1EWiho1QcrlOm2oYeHwwOXs0IoB7GRhA0SjK1E.KnamezGjd Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:18:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: WAS: Who uses looping in their promo material? NOW:Prerecordedmaterial To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <00d801c7f9fa$4b973750$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <651149.4545.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4ajNGD.A.U3G.uMK8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74679 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:18:54 +0000 (UTC) regardless of how fast he was, i could never stand Malmsteens tone,attitude or music,it sounded cold and lacked any charm or humor to me, but thats just another opinion. Luis --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > > On 18 sep 2007, at 07.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > > >> At one point in the interview, he claimed that he > thought there wasn't > >> anything that he couldn't do on the guitar. > Clueless. I'm happy to say > >> that I've long since forgotten all those > Malmsteen runs, and that I'd > >> just like to see half of these shreaders try > what they do on a totally > >> clean sound, with no massive gain or > distortation to back them up > > > > > > I think your comment, above, lacks the same kind > of musical understanding > > that is lacking those "shredders"; the misbelief > that it is about *the > > playing* when the real thing actually is about > *the music*. > > Well, I do understand, Per, which is why I feel I > can poke fun at the whole > genre and approach (what I'm doing) - I lived and > breathed the life of a > shreader at > one point in time. It's not about understanding, > rather my right and > ability > to have an opinion on the approach 20 year later. > It's all music. I'm just > stying I thought Malmsteen's attitude sucked in the > interview and he came > across as pompous, and that having played like that, > I can say it is a lot > harder to do with > a clean sound. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion > that I don't understand the > music > just because I don't like Malmsteen's attitude, or > that I don't place the > same value > that I did 20 years ago on playing fast runs and > scales with high gain. > That is > my own prerogative and personal expression. > > Sorry to bash your Swedish friend. Perhaps I should > have picked on Gilbert > or Macalpine. :) > > Kris > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 04:27:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E85AB3BF74; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:21:35 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: The Conqueror Worm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: <9pxeKB.A.VHH.uUK8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74680 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:27:26 +0000 (UTC) New drone piece I put together piece using Chapman Stick, pirahna guitarbow, E-Bow, several loop pedals and a few effects. http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/conqueror_worm.mp3 best, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 04:52:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5CEC33BF23; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004d01c7fa78$e207ccd0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: The Conqueror Worm Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:52:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74681 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 04:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Dune? > New drone piece I put together piece using Chapman Stick, pirahna > guitarbow, E-Bow, several loop pedals and a few effects. > > http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/conqueror_worm.mp3 > > best, > Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 05:06:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D09FB3BECD; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 01:00:14 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Re: The Conqueror Worm In-Reply-To: <004d01c7fa78$e207ccd0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Message-ID: References: <004d01c7fa78$e207ccd0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74682 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 05:06:08 +0000 (UTC) On Tue, 18 Sep 2007, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Dune? No, Edgar Allan Poe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conqueror_Worm regards, Steve Burnett Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ >> New drone piece I put together piece using Chapman Stick, pirahna >> guitarbow, E-Bow, several loop pedals and a few effects. >> >> http://www.subscapeannex.com/other/conqueror_worm.mp3 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 06:45:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 733E03BF4C; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=kqb9VObLef/38th5t1E4LjzKLvsZBDig0afPJIOWWTKyYm0AXK+/+dS+PHRZqz2rCsaSXSefQDRdXXJqIIGYrzBPjB17DwxKgb6jiLgkk8+Fe2HHLcQLGthqKmmw0Vwmsj9QSgPviVWTN7hfT8xD7HHNmS54oYX7mb7DoM2X+Lc=; X-YMail-OSG: ACt3x0MVM1n1Y.dDgA.PDCHevsX.8.NYPdUK2oUGgxa9e1ZgxZ4k1AePZDg_TpbbMXkkeQJovtKwqdaCwPqu.L0B54sNFkwG5Z9fKUk3i4GOSPmvfMEH6q1NdXA- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:45:06 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: scofield and bugge -livevideo To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <311696.58941.qm@web26211.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74683 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 06:45:10 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Scofield plays with the "young clubjazzmusicians" in Norway - those "cats" been into looping for years. Like Bugge. See video. www.buggesroom.com/pub/studioconcerts/2006_6_22_11.36.36.s...at=studioconcertskommende I have read that scofield at a point - was so in love with his chorus-sound - that he almost had to learn how to manage with out it. best regards Rune F _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 07:10:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C7BED3BF45; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:10:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070918171706.00e0ed38@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:19:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: Now OT: Noodling In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21233B11; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-46F06B116E6F=======" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74684 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 07:10:03 +0000 (UTC) --=======AVGMAIL-46F06B116E6F======= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_287335676==.ALT"; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21233B11 --=====================_287335676==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21233B11 Actually I thought the guitarist playing the overdubbed audio really did a great job playing tentatively!... If you know how to play, that's not always easy to do... Smiles, Cara :) At 01:14 PM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote: >wow.....the one with ozzy clapping crushed me!.....they all had me >rotflmao.....but what totally amazed me was the fact that the "bad" >playing sounded just like me trying to "shred".....so that's what i sound >like.....yikes.....i will never try to play any faster than an 1/8 note >ever again.....is it a genetic thing to make all those faces and movements >(is this what constitutes a good stage presence?).....or did we all grow >up being programed to do this?.....i promise to continue to stare at my >feet and play slow from now on.....wasn't it yangwe who said "unleash the >fury".....well it better be put back in the bottle i think.....funny >stuff!.....thnaks matt.....michael > > > >www.ct-collective.com >http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ >http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 > > > > >************************************** >See what's new at http://www.aol.com > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: >9/18/2007 11:53 AM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn --=====================_287335676==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-21233B11   Actually I thought the guitarist playing the overdubbed audio really did a great job playing tentatively!...  If you know how to play, that's not always easy to do... 

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    At 01:14 PM 9/18/2007 -0400, you wrote:

    wow.....the one with ozzy clapping crushed me!.....they all had me rotflmao.....but what totally amazed me was the fact that the "bad" playing sounded just like me trying to "shred".....so that's what i sound like.....yikes.....i will never try to play any faster than an 1/8 note ever again.....is it a genetic thing to make all those faces and movements (is this what constitutes a good stage presence?).....or did we all grow up being programed to do this?.....i promise to continue to stare at my feet and play slow from now on.....wasn't it yangwe who said "unleash the fury".....well it better be put back in the bottle i think.....funny stuff!.....thnaks matt.....michael



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Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.22/1015 - Release Date: 9/18/2007 = 11:53 AM --=======AVGMAIL-46F06B116E6F=======-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 09:02:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A9F833BF33; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:02:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <007c01c7fa3a$ad154d10$4001a8c0@mini> References: <000d01c7fa2b$b0a416f0$1001a8c0@succubus> <007c01c7fa3a$ad154d10$4001a8c0@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 10:01:58 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74685 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:02:02 +0000 (UTC) > > >> Leon said: >>> I do not get on with Laptops as instruments (my failing!) and am >>> looking >> for hardware alternatives. >>> I have been thinking of assembling the following setup and >>> wondered if >> anyone had any better and cheaper ideas on how I could go about this. >>> I want to ditch the laptop and assemble an "analog modular >>> looper"with this >> sampling module at its heart >> http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs290.htm >> >> I guess for your application, a Nord Modular (whichever variant) in >> combination with a hardware looper (EDP, Repeater, Looperlative) >> should do >> the trick. Our own Claude Voit (http://www.claudevoit.ch/) has done >> completely otherwordly things with the EDP/Modular combo. >> >> Rainer > Check out the link and it sounds interesting. I however need to have multiple loop lengths running simultaneously and the ability to add effects to each loop,I believe this is possible with the looperlative. What I am not sure is possible presetting loop sample time so Loop 1 can be a bar of 5/4 and loop 2 15/8 for example. I currently do this via the Schaltwerk which controls record start and stop. Can the loooperlatives seperate loops be controlled like this? Does the looperlative quantize? Ie in free mode if i record a bar of 4/4 can I then record the second loop in 9/8 and have the loops completely sync to the eighth note, ie have my footswitch quantized exactly to the nearest eight note? I am guessing this is impossible without some kind of metronome or click Currently I work to the big clock in the sky, everything is related to seconds, and I preset boss gigadelays to different lengths. If the RC could sync to itself or anything else it may be possible to use that Is this quantisation able to be set on 16th/ 32 and 64th values? Can for example my 4/4 loop be turned into 31/32? I can do this with three samplers and my schaltwerk, or internally on laptop. I want the loop lengths to be constantly shifting with each repetition, a-synch and clocked to a time signature. This would be possible with sequencer clock step sequencers, perhaps with digital trigging. I assume this would be possible with a midi sequencer unit controlling the looperltive I would also like an easy simple way of achieving metric modulation in lengths moving from say 4/4 to 4/5, ( quarter note = fifth of the whole note, ie bar length shortens, tempo speeds up. I would like the technology to aid me to do things which are impossible to do with complete accuracy as a human performer I think a modular synthesizer built especially for looping is an interesting proposition. The system would be scaleable, you could add loop modules (samplers) as you go, have a small cut down system or a larger one for different occasions, add clocks, sequencers, filters, envelops, and have loop parameters such as length, pitch, direction, sample start and end point (even bit rate with the doepfer modules) all voltage controlled. This RS unit is pretty unique and is the only voltage controlled sampler in existence as far as I know. Anyone know of any others? The cost is pretty high and thats why I am giving it some serious thought! Will cost about $3000 to build an initial system. leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 13:40:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1B6DC3BF42; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; bh=8/pxX2ETGLngkrS5iUQZziXanTnmkRXIo0VruQFexuI=; b=VjOYSrB7Ce0GKeVNXkXsxt7mWgBEVWtYziUuqPrujjRV5b/eYj4FnwTTfSNCNV/bD22zf2AI7wfUmfsg5jm76tD6nGFJCMR6BKBoCP6b5wHgB8GZtKAhUUrjetgXMQiIfygZ6u4BeBKmxF+5zDP8zucyluo7PWZ6Pfbs/4Qkc14= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=NYY+XEMz+lGAa3/L9IsaYlKYmTmsE7Q+0+npeRT8DNZrg1Bwoadht3etq3FHTu0uAAtM9bwsW2TLLnkJ8BDLdw0yNyRn9x8V6fInpg+gmYMbQazv/Hy7+6BH3DuqOmNOTYI3obof6ypxBfXdPjcJa9ZpXF1J+Im0f4PrDv0JcB8= Message-ID: <9e0440a60709190640g1c39c724h197c0edd9e5aa102@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:40:08 -0400 From: "Jim Goodin" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: The Conqueror Worm and house concert thread and NJ fest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_27997_12897455.1190209208809" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74686 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:40:12 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_27997_12897455.1190209208809 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Steve like the percussive sounds about 60% in, very unguitar piece with good noise. Listen I failed to respond to the thread I began with you re your house concerts, sorry. It's interesting that you've been able to get them to go a bit and too I know the groups that approached you to network. I've tried to integrate with both and the feeling behind one is that it's energy is more after my membership fee. The traditional house concert crowd feels very nazi to me in that it's "this is the way it oughta be and gonna be" and doesn't part from it. I host I pitched to in Arizona really liked my solo work and said she wanted to keep me in her rolodex for future possibilities when her audience was more educated and open but for now they were the singer-songwriter and folk. Of course my response though I didn't follow-through on it just thanking her and stay in touch, was how are you ever going to see your audience progress if you don't expose them. WHat I detect is that the host's are afraid to rock the boat for fear they will have no audience which tells me they are in it to a certain degree for more monetary trails or appears that way. I could also choose to meet them half-way and do try that from time to time meaning my past solo work as well as occasional present still embraces Carolan and many traditional Celtic melodies of which the house arean is more tolerant than the minimalist stuff that demands more from the audience. THat said even then as one woman said to me mid-way through a solo show in Chicago last summer, "when are we going to hear you sing". And so it goes... Probably what some of us or all for that matter should do is start a network of hosting experimental house concerts. The work is attracting people though I'm sure in their inception traditional house concerts had lean beginnings yet they have clearly created a stage for many artists seeking to get away from the bars or either lost those options. I think that's the approach of Fran Synders ConcertsInYourHome.com . Good day to you and all reading... at some point those of us out east here need to resurrect the NE Experimental Looping fest that we spoke of earlier in the summer. I apologize in that I put some initial energy in to the idea and then bailed. It was not loss of interest but being overextended as at the time we [Daryl and I] were organizing shows for Chinapainting which went well and we're doing the same now for a CA trip next month. That said however if anyone interested perhaps we could get a a NE looping fest on the radar for next spring like April. Best Jim On 9/19/07, burnett@pobox.com wrote: > > New drone piece I put together piece using Chapman Stick, pirahna > guitarbow, E-Bow, several loop pedals and a few effects. ------=_Part_27997_12897455.1190209208809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

    Steve like the percussive sounds about 60% in, very unguitar piece wit= h good noise.
     
    Listen I failed to respond to the thread I began with you re your hous= e concerts, sorry.  It's interesting that you've been able to = get them to go a bit and too I know the groups that approached you to netwo= rk.  I've tried to integrate with both and the feeling behind one = is that it's energy is more after my membership fee.  The traditio= nal house concert crowd feels very nazi to me in that it's "this i= s the way it oughta be and gonna be" and doesn't part from it.&nbs= p; I host I pitched to in Arizona really liked my solo work and said she wa= nted to keep me in her rolodex for future possibilities when her audience w= as more educated and open but for now they were the singer-songwriter and f= olk.  Of course my response though I didn't follow-through on it j= ust thanking her and stay in touch, was how are you ever going to see your = audience progress if you don't expose them.  WHat I detect is that= the host's are afraid to rock the boat for fear they will have no audi= ence which tells me they are in it to a certain degree for more monetary tr= ails or appears that way.  I could also choose to meet them half-way a= nd do try that from time to time meaning my past solo work as well as occas= ional present still embraces Carolan and many traditional Celtic melodies o= f which the house arean is more tolerant than the minimalist stuff that dem= ands more from the audience.  THat said even then as one woman said to= me mid-way through a solo show in Chicago last summer, "when are we g= oing to hear you sing".  And so it goes...
     
    Probably what some of us or all for that matter should do is start a n= etwork of hosting experimental house concerts.  The work is attracting= people though I'm sure in their inception traditional house concerts h= ad lean beginnings yet they have clearly created a stage for many artists s= eeking to get away from the bars or either lost those options.  I thin= k that's the approach of Fran Synders=20 ConcertsInYourHome.com.
     
    Good day to you and all reading... at some point those of us out east = here need to resurrect the NE Experimental Looping fest that we spoke of ea= rlier in the summer.  I apologize in that I put some initial energy in= to the idea and then bailed.  It was not loss of interest but being o= verextended as at the time we [Daryl and I] were organizing shows for = Chinapainting which went well and we're doing the same now for a CA tri= p next month.  That said however if anyone interested perhaps we could= get a a NE looping fest on the radar for next spring like April.
     
    Best
     
    Jim
     
    On 9/19/07, = burnett@pobox.com <burnett@pobox.com> wrote:
    New drone piece I put together p= iece using Chapman Stick, pirahna
    guitarbow, E-Bow, several loop pedals = and a few effects.
    ------=_Part_27997_12897455.1190209208809-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 14:30:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E58D13BF53; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:30:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 670511181 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: glitch/video looping Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:30:44 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DFD1E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <019601c7fa49$6c9c7ce0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: glitch/video looping Thread-Index: Acf6yamxNz9sMWtqS4iCH2fnss/0NA== References: <019601c7fa49$6c9c7ce0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2007 14:30:45.0393 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA2F1010:01C7FAC9] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74687 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:30:54 +0000 (UTC) anyone remember these guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJg6qSGXGvq8 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 16:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD5C13BF25; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:52:18 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acf6m764b3J8UkhGTeWqE9Ke+4KF4AAQQ+dg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINOKCUeog== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74688 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 16:51:56 +0000 (UTC) > Check out the link and it sounds interesting. I however need > to have multiple loop lengths running simultaneously and the > ability to add effects to each loop,I believe this is > possible with the looperlative. What I am not sure is > possible presetting loop sample time so Loop 1 can be a bar > of 5/4 and loop 2 15/8 for example. I currently do this via > the Schaltwerk which controls record start and stop. I am pretty sure the Looperlative can do this - any of the eight 100% content Looperlative users here to answer the questions? > This RS unit is pretty unique and is the only voltage > controlled sampler in existence as far as I know. Anyone know > of any others? No, the Digitech RDS series also do this. > The cost is pretty high and thats why I am giving it some > serious thought! Will cost about $3000 to build an initial system. Let's see: Looperlative at $1349 + Nord Modular G2 Engine at $999 is below your system with more power... 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 21:33:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6E64A3BF40; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--670457049 Message-Id: <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> From: The woodshed Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:33:43 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74690 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--670457049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On 19 Sep 2007, at 17:52, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > Let's see: Looperlative at $1349 + Nord Modular G2 Engine at $999 > is below > your system with more power... Checked out the rds, however the RS integrator module also allows cv control of pitch, sample start and end points, RDS cannot do that also looks quite rare and scarce, great looking module though, and cheers for the info, will look out for one. Really tempted with the looperlative! Does any looper have the following function? 1. Performer freely records a loop, it happens to consist of a sequence five beats long. 2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into the looper, perhaps taps a defined foot switch 5 times etc) 3. Looper then divides the sampled recording (loop) into 5 equal parts ,does the math and then generates a quantize function so that the next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th or 16th preset by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 for example This means that loops could be quantised to a common unit with out the need for playing to a metronome. I'm not sure you could say the nord g2 ultimately has more power over a custom built modular looper as the rs cv sample based modular as the final build could be as complex as one wants (money permitting). I would imagine 4 sampling/ looping modules each with their own dedicated step sequencer, modulation sources and envelope generators. However definitely more flexible for the price, yet you pay for that in digital sound, I prefer analog. I Have built modulars in Reaktor, and find it has the same "sound bottleneck' as the nord, what ever you patch it always tends to sound the "same" , where as when different modulars are linked together the character of a Serge oscillator has a completely different tonal quality to that of a Moog EMU or Arp allowing a more natural wider sound pallet. I am primarily interested in loopers allowing me to actualise rhythmic musical devices I have come across performing 20thc classical music which are always approximated with various degrees of accuracy in performance, complex ratios, metric modulations and cross rhythms. --Apple-Mail-1--670457049 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    On 19 Sep 2007, at = 17:52, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote:

    Let's see: Looperlative at = $1349 + Nord Modular G2 Engine at $999 is below

    your system with more = power...


    Checked out the rds,=A0 = however the RS integrator module also allows cv control of pitch, sample = start and end points, RDS cannot do that also looks quite rare and = scarce, great looking module though, and cheers for the info, will look = out for one.
    Really tempted with=A0 the = looperlative!

    Does any looper have the = following function?

    1. Performer freely records = a loop, it happens to consist of a sequence five beats = long.=A0
    2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into=A0 the looper, = perhaps taps a defined foot switch 5 times=A0 etc)
    3. = Looper=A0then divides the sampled=A0 recording (loop) into 5 equal = parts=A0,does the math and then generates a quantize function so that = the next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th or 16th = preset by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 for = example
    This means that loops could be quantised to a common = unit with out the need for playing to a metronome.



    =A0I'm not sure you could = say the nord g2 ultimately has more power over a custom built modular = looper as the rs cv sample based modular as the final build could be as = complex as one wants (money permitting). I would imagine 4 sampling/ = looping modules each with their own dedicated step sequencer, modulation = sources and envelope generators. However definitely more flexible for = the price, yet you pay for that in digital sound, I prefer = analog.

    I = Have built modulars in Reaktor, and find it has the same "sound = bottleneck' as the nord, what ever you patch it always tends to sound = the "same" , where as when different modulars are linked together the = character of=A0 a Serge oscillator has a completely different tonal = quality to that of a Moog EMU or Arp allowing a more natural wider sound = pallet.

    I am = primarily interested in loopers allowing me to actualise rhythmic = musical devices I have come across performing 20thc classical music = which are always approximated with various degrees of accuracy in = performance,=A0complex ratios, metric modulations and cross = rhythms.
    = --Apple-Mail-1--670457049-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 22:21:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9C7783BF3F; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070919172118.dbkvop7lnowwg804@69.89.21.76> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 17:21:18 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74691 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Quoting The woodshed : > > Does any looper have the following function? > > 1. Performer freely records a loop, it happens to consist of a > sequence five beats long. > 2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into the looper, perhaps taps a > defined foot switch 5 times etc) > 3. Looper then divides the sampled recording (loop) into 5 equal > parts ,does the math and then generates a quantize function so that > the next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th or 16th > preset by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 for example > This means that loops could be quantised to a common unit with out the > need for playing to a metronome. > To think of loops as containing a certain number of beats is a =20 convenient way for musicians to think about loops and their =20 relationships to each other. However, a given loop has a length in clock time. In other words, a =20 loop of four beats at 60bpm will have the same length as a loop of =20 eight beats at 120bpm. So, if you want two loops, one divided into 15 =20 beats and another divided into, say, three beats that remain in =20 (rhythmic) phase then the two loops will be the same length. If you =20 want the loops to go in and out of "phase" then they will be different =20 lengths. The Looperlative will quantize to the nearest MIDI clock pulse if you =20 so desire. Back to your loops.. if one loop has a length of 15 sixteenth notes =20 and the other a lenght of 12 sixteenth notes you could reduce it down =20 to five against three (by dividing by three). You could actually =20 accomplish this on something as "basic" as an RC50. You would record =20 an initial loop that is one measure long -- then quantize the other =20 loops to it. Your intial loop could be silent -- just a placeholder, =20 so to speak. (The RC50 can quantize to the nearest measure, so you =20 could then create a 3 measure loop against a 5 measure loop). Now, the musical material that you play may indeed by 15/16 against =20 3/4 however the loop's proportional lengths will be a simple ratio of =20 3 to 5. I am probably not really answering your question. However, try =20 translating your time signatures into clock time and find the overall =20 ratio of the loops. There may be a simple way to do what you want to =20 do. I have a newly acquired Looperlative that I have not been able to use =20 (due to some upcoming performances -- which is good news). One of the =20 possibilities is to NOT quantize with the Looperlative and, rather, =20 let my computer send the "loop end" messages. After all, with a =20 sequencer, I have a lot of flexibility to quantize, not quantize, =20 etc... however at the "end of the day" I am just creating loops -- all =20 of which have given lengths. If your experience is anything like mine, you will spend a lot more =20 money than you initially set out to spend. If your point of departure =20 is $3000, then beware, it may be $6000 by the time you are finished! :) In fact, I just thought that my equipment interest would stabilize for =20 awhile -- and THANKS TO YOU --- I am now aware of a voltage-controlled =20 sampler -- and my theremin has CV outputs... Just when I thought my =20 money was "safe". :) Your idea, to merge analog modules with loops is very intriguing and =20 look forward to hearing your progress on your looping journey. Enjoy! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 19 23:51:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDEAA3BF3C; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DFD1E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> References: <019601c7fa49$6c9c7ce0$17b0ec0f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72052DFD1E@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <6E9D7BEC-9A3A-43C6-9830-BA42896EB301@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: glitch/video looping Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:51:50 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74692 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 23:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing that ,,,,,,verrrrrry cool!!!! Are you into composing electronic music? 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 04:18:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 316853BF3F; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:18:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: john floridis Subject: FCB1010 / Soft Case Foot Controller by SKB Cases Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:18:15 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74693 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:18:18 +0000 (UTC) I may have missed any discussion of this, but I know how many of the artists on this list use the FCB 1010 http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php? f=&id=220&o=&offset=1&c=85&s=75 John From root@troth.brickworksonline.com Thu Sep 20 04:29:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 56416 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:29:20 UTC Received: from troth.brickworksonline.com (troth.brickworksonline.com [66.207.109.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B3E13BF22 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by troth.brickworksonline.com (Postfix, from userid 0) id 480965E34A; Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:28:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "CapitalOne Update Department" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html\r\n Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\r\n Subject: Your online account has expired. Message-Id: <20070919122800.480965E34A@troth.brickworksonline.com> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:28:00 -0400 (EDT) To: undisclosed-recipients: ;

     

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 06:00:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 02E273BF43; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=t+h6n865tuVb3QBuZ/VjWEDg3zLwavzYfXORsUsYrcw=; b=DAE9XRxGq69paDxyT1rTTDE3NdEpaZGuu+winvO101FoILMnrYuiyfIOvf2yIjpBddEjHMBF6AIls5j6i9cfgZxfdzUehEDevwzNVAt7ACweJEXAisZxEHT+MSleW6zV6PURmruPiDeFDfPVDmJJyIYRgH+7NHmYLRMbFrOG4ec= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=MFHZpIsmWaLk9Bg9Z0EVneGcD6FSKO1Hwj3u/ep4fnY91x5Nn8IbhSbpLfMrvDXv3O+HyxFlMRtOwu83LtkCYY8tKOdriT9I42DjCOIe4JGKHBwVYXtBc9W3poeKpf/pZ9P/atkxndoUfAJ2C0aDUT65/iXaDi4va6X57igVavg= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:59:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74694 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:00:03 +0000 (UTC) On 19 sep 2007, at 23.33, The woodshed wrote: > Does any looper have the following function? > > 1. Performer freely records a loop, it happens to consist of a > sequence five beats long. > 2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into the looper, perhaps taps a > defined foot switch 5 times etc) > 3. Looper then divides the sampled recording (loop) into 5 equal > parts ,does the math and then generates a quantize function so that > the next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th or > 16th preset by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 for > example > This means that loops could be quantised to a common unit with out > the need for playing to a metronome. Right form the top of my head now, this would be possible with - Gibson Echoplex - Ableton Live (+ a computer + an audio interface) - Mobius (+ a computer + an audio interface) I'm not sure about the Looperlative, but someone might chime in on that one. But please remember that "bars" is a relative measure in the looping world. A looping device don't know about "bars", it only about loop length and mathematical divisions or multiples of this loop length. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 06:02:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E48693BF44; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=wXBFnNJOzI+RMl8Sf/YKZOgoICUBeoT7fFR6Dc1+/xw=; b=Z4J/dAY+e7PytEXSPsqt4gnomKr3SeC2n9VibcxWxZEwMlxq9/4u6Usc7viupsgmFpf/WKtX7gxXqgpN/WefrX9Iyzh+EIGHG+3GE0no8sKOCoIafurh5AGdmmTwGhfnVUXWaYUWHRyq/yucVVUdmYwYBCtnrJI4ztJZsnY5dX0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=pYF/Js308y3cr6zGa7DKvSvSa7UI1k3S2kfqZpeLrqAPoxBMFJroiBVgVuVB02CEps7ZeNqKGgl0jdfOPtCypnCWRgL1Qa91gDK2a9ooET5c7PWBoIXqG8IjofF5lrc0y/x1f3mdy5591xCL7TYa2iwjM9Qm8l8RTKfzC7PHwlA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: FCB1010 / Soft Case Foot Controller by SKB Cases Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:02:40 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74695 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:02:48 +0000 (UTC) On 20 sep 2007, at 06.18, john floridis wrote: > I may have missed any discussion of this, but I know how many of > the artists on this list use the FCB 1010 > http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php? > f=&id=220&o=&offset=1&c=85&s=75 > > John Looks great! Do you have such a case, John? I'd like to know if it can stand being hauled around at airports. The FCB is the only piece of gear I can't take as cabin luggage (if bringing only small instruments to play) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 07:19:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CAF63BF42; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:19:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 608178637-mk-filter-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.184.71 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAPW68UZPQrhH/2dsb2JhbACCJ6Vq Message-ID: <46F21F0E.3000801@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:19:42 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <9-FRI.A.li.R8h8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74696 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:19:45 +0000 (UTC) > > Does any looper have the following function? > > 1. Performer freely records a loop, it happens to consist of a sequence > five beats long. > 2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into the looper, perhaps taps a defined > foot switch 5 times etc) > 3. Looper then divides the sampled recording (loop) into 5 equal > parts ,does the math and then generates a quantize function so that the > next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th or 16th preset > by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 for example > This means that loops could be quantised to a common unit with out the > need for playing to a metronome. > a pair of EDPs can do this *exactly* as you describe. It's a trick I use. Each EDP has a parameter to adjust the number of 8th notes per bar, which can be put into a preset to be called up before the piece starts, or altered *after* the loop has been recorded. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 07:22:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 080BD3BF44; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5D18D7DB-E0BC-4319-83F6-093848606490@johnfloridis.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: john floridis Subject: Re: FCB1010 / Soft Case Foot Controller by SKB Cases Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 01:22:04 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74697 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Per, I do not have this case. I just happened across it while looking at ideas for pedal boards on SKB's site. ........ A journey that seems endless, even with so many options out there. The beast in my equation is the Line 6 Pod xt live. Takes up a lot of real estate on the floor. Combined with an RC50 and just a few others, and there's no way to accommodate that with even the the Furman board. I had someone locally custom build one with a riser to put the Pod on, and the thing is damn near big enough to bury me in. What we used to call a "widow maker" back in the day. And obviously that's not including the FCB 1010 which I've only been using at home lately with an EDP. Have we had a display of pedal boards here? Seem like we have, but I'm not sure. John From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 08:45:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CAA793BF4C; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:45:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.fr; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=URp+oAvAzpN76S/RaaJ4QjzYATvs3GMGF/Q9tJ3HFDNWqf7ASfrjGrdjE9t6UikHRcYA2aPHFuzC1Lhu4HKTdnYeFKjomglPFE2U46VMqnSO7q2nuA0h5DgaTl8MUvjfbvc3ArA/aWk1ILHv3zihseBoBP2p/wzB26zZe2Tt+Dc= ; X-YMail-OSG: Nu6QFcMVM1kK3OETsNF1KcVMWET1jRhwOdrUQIsYcX0ceHTfS2yToezD6QVVUEdUTX3W9Oa4dNQsIPgAB4MrB38gysAG5Nic_lBtAu9x7JRFiuYSv8WjCQqvXX8- Message-ID: <00ac01c7fb62$8e34a4d0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> From: "Ben" To: Subject: kazoo looping :-) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:45:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7FB73.514FBEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74698 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:45:27 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7FB73.514FBEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=3DmVebMc-L-Zg ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7FB73.514FBEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01C7FB73.514FBEE0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 10:22:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DBF273BF43; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9E54C7CB-D584-4218-9299-8F558703E778@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:22:40 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74699 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for info, thing is I need a minimum of 5 loops running at the same time all with different lengths, think that rules out the EDP, unless I get 5 of them! I have used live but dislike the sound and wish to avoid laptops. leon On 20 Sep 2007, at 06:59, Per Boysen wrote: > On 19 sep 2007, at 23.33, The woodshed wrote: > >> Does any looper have the following function? >> >> 1. Performer freely records a loop, it happens to consist of a >> sequence five beats long. >> 2. Performer somehow inputs "5" into the looper, perhaps taps a >> defined foot switch 5 times etc) >> 3. Looper then divides the sampled recording (loop) into 5 equal >> parts ,does the math and then generates a quantize function so >> that the next loop will sync in eight or 16th notes (quarter, 8th >> or 16th preset by the performer). This will allow 15/16 over 3/4 >> for example >> This means that loops could be quantised to a common unit with out >> the need for playing to a metronome. > > > Right form the top of my head now, this would be possible with > - Gibson Echoplex > - Ableton Live (+ a computer + an audio interface) > - Mobius (+ a computer + an audio interface) > > I'm not sure about the Looperlative, but someone might chime in on > that one. > > But please remember that "bars" is a relative measure in the > looping world. A looping device don't know about "bars", it only > about loop length and mathematical divisions or multiples of this > loop length. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 10:27:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 605683BF51; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 06:23:21 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow, Galactic Travels, and The AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46F24A19.5060604@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74700 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long Special ocus on Dutch group Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Moyland" on Quantum Records. For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 22 at 6:00 am. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with issue 15 out of 16 so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 10:33:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 55A7C3BF47; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:33:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=QQ1gf8qsHJcLxCB+FiHaMDyIVPy6WwP2ysy3iMuynz8=; b=pXg0DItDarIo9yNwHp9F1JDs4790KQ+7iuAWnr6yeKiXLNBnkK6zLYSb29UOAOcgtIVWQx0rBWV68hii3DUbF4skY1Hqt86PdpMbGTVQiRP4dggKFWc4DidVLLd5XJltA1eVGOm53KFp+i74iPpacbky5nYS87QG2GoTgF53Dro= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=FbVRaT1NpL8qdhLx6DmTcmMotUy9Kn1mABlvB7o1a2srK4tylnG8B8kvsIOf+FmNHjOpBKATVgWGlzXITeOqciEXjEmEqJOX4pVufH7kCgmMzh9P//3A6zevr2Mr2zq5oayNQyVtMEi+4bmFUIZ4lQnsiyo/afpz8Tc3DPWEf1o= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:33:01 +0100 From: Os Sender: expertsleepers@googlemail.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? In-Reply-To: <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 1f17c3308f3e092d Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74701 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:33:05 +0000 (UTC) On 20/09/2007, Per Boysen wrote: > But please remember that "bars" is a relative measure in the looping > world. A looping device don't know about "bars", it only about loop > length and mathematical divisions or multiples of this loop length. If you have a looping device that's emitting MIDI clock, then it does need to have some concept of a bar, or at least of a beat. os. -- os@collective.co.uk http://www.collective.co.uk/ http://www.myspace.com/darkroomtheband From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 10:37:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D18C3BF5B; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=whF24GBypAg7UqPEqyWNPv2lQQclOQdo0qVbSpY0tFk=; b=nNS494YL85fIS1C+ic7W3BJ4jFAsYpMZQpOBpiOhSSLV5CRsbba3IJoo7Ycxrh2LBImi0M/+nydY5bzZToozZr8xPL8NBeM6nZQVOFOLCGgmGR/J6p0kTS4qsUArk23DeO01DAfex8uEO8e6EdQsU/MD2ZjXDi4cHF7jn9BV1Xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Qj+cW4/gOmvLIJfm0HzSYybuhFGM5TuxqG87TPODkety8G0G06yj+785ob0RC2tEwGGoIxfavqPGR+buhd6Y0t3ZN2bM9a9er0ghNZV8dbAl1fyoi2ka/qXyldrjE1Cbqg21APqP8Jj3/0PK+wS41ySlXWtL1YXrsczK52HwzfA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <9E54C7CB-D584-4218-9299-8F558703E778@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> <9E54C7CB-D584-4218-9299-8F558703E778@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:37:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74702 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:37:54 +0000 (UTC) On 20 sep 2007, at 12.22, The woodshed wrote: > Thanks for info, > thing is I need a minimum of 5 loops running at the same time all > with different lengths, think that rules out the EDP, unless I get > 5 of them! Ha, ha... :-) Well, I didn't understand you meant parallel loops. The Looperlative can do that. You could download the manual and read up at the Looperlative forum. > I have used live but dislike the sound and wish to avoid laptops. That's a good point. Hardware devices are generally more ready-to-go when you buy them. "Sound" in laptops depend on which audio interface you are using and how you have set it up. Software also needs extensive tweaking by the user. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 10:41:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 20CD13BF58; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=vNomOxJe658qyhftkknLu/s1Hlo2Bx+RfdtPGQLsMeE=; b=j5uYZBhHoBWcVg5+HUMHR1Tf7VKZuavFQcQW6fVi+D0Zpuk86DOruYS0G2GdCQNMetOlj2ITGC2D6h55TIVuvitSFDcrJ6dvIg3/HgfgYVZJJpHlX5XAmAgBOB3JR5JRqCDDcyFVhkQMrZHAahV+TRJtvNZzxMAgHHcBtUR1myM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Xf0obD0RyzCYX8rcZMi/siktZvgho91fXDBtXMLsl6YUbzuFKuMATTDAJYovatLFGqtYokNvzp8DOI88Qfxu0fsnxXMwND+LeY6S5m7Ax9P3xLmB4zfx3xvA/QwMxWJbiwGaV0C6FuUO0IZpSCw4wYG4hW+6wtvQTjlrXOLSKxo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <8B879BDB-2ECA-49C4-8E01-A6634794E025@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:41:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74703 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:41:44 +0000 (UTC) > On 20/09/2007, Per Boysen wrote: >> But please remember that "bars" is a relative measure in the looping >> world. A looping device don't know about "bars", it only about loop >> length and mathematical divisions or multiples of this loop length. > On 20 sep 2007, at 12.33, Os wrote: > If you have a looping device that's emitting MIDI clock, then it does > need to have some concept of a bar, or at least of a beat. Yes, of course! But the original poster was talking about creating a loop as the first step, not listening for the tempo to play in. 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    ------=_NextPart_000_0140_01C7FB5A.73399350-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 14:43:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2E6BF3BF54; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:43:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com (Loopers Delight) Subject: Laptop Looping Redux, Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:43:18 +0000 Message-Id: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7172_1190299398_0" Resent-Message-ID: <4vfa5B.A.F7F.Hco8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74705 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:43:20 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7172_1190299398_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FCB1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig. I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me rule the world the way I envision. More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure. MFC --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7172_1190299398_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FCB1010,  and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig.
    I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me rule the world the way I envision.
    More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure.
     
    MFC
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_7172_1190299398_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:15:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 815523BECF; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:15:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 671468696 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: glitch/video looping Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:15:35 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72053FC7FB@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <6E9D7BEC-9A3A-43C6-9830-BA42896EB301@mac.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: glitch/video looping Thread-Index: Acf7mRhSYjbE++VtQ5OheGA5w4wg6Q== References: <6E9D7BEC-9A3A-43C6-9830-BA42896EB301@mac.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "Chuck Silva" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 15:15:36.0779 (UTC) FILETIME=[18C9B9B0:01C7FB99] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74706 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:15:51 +0000 (UTC) >>Thanks for sharing that ,,,,,,verrrrrry cool!!!! Are you into composing electronic music?<< I don't normally do this, but.... www.radiomassacreinternational.com & apologies in advance for the state of the site, but we've had it since 1995 & looking after it got to be a chore long before flash or mp3 came along.... :-) duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:16:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D58943BF01; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=irm0Nw/VPjnBSlEQzhY5CoxFABPGZ4W91RDo+PuosYI=; b=jJaPygKf4a+OcyARhREZy1NloIFtHiJkmvpD2xC5iAF5wsDAFgf6jpngZT0Zl2xz2mD64M6clO5RPnQB927lP3CnRpGyxt63c9xXU/1b98290UCdIigtAqKvOjqPi85/nS4XlhUSiFXUhseTHCmlRNAO5eu6RK6ir7N2sbD9h/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=SPnhxnpBloel2j5hM43ipBSMQD4DWpemyVNmsrogMvui14Ihi/ZAo7VU1l1e7IB9hKcvQp0LoyNdSlmBd/6KvgsCI8i8/fXa7zhNb4is7opSbbxtqbc9sOJ6HDKly8uhIAOjROE1ZLpJszuO1xDllSlzWG1zJM86NXQGmiHY8FY= Message-ID: <4759e5740709200816q9a916dfm70245955595d316a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:16:31 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, In-Reply-To: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16523_17678992.1190301391973" References: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74707 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:16:36 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16523_17678992.1190301391973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline look forward to hearing your experience... that's my rig in a nutshell, has been for three years, so consider me a fellow traveler! t. On 9/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just > ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, > Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure > this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, > FCB1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. > I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away > their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo > acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands > using Guitar Rig. > I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me > rule the world the way I envision. > More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo > rthe next 10 days I'm sure. > > MFC > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_16523_17678992.1190301391973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline look forward to hearing your experience... that's my rig in a nutshell, has been for three years, so consider me a fellow traveler!

    t.



    On 9/20/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net < midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
    I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FCB1010,  and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig.
    I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me rule the world the way I envision.
    More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure.
     
    MFC



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    ------=_Part_16523_17678992.1190301391973-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:19:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E192D3BF56; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070920101953.67sukl7z6s48s04s@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:19:53 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, References: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74708 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > > ...(has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). The RME800 is such a flexible interface/mixer that I don't take the Mackie with me anymore. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:24:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D19A13BF75; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=fDFYbxebcYkmihGlBmaVSrpMHUkzlGBO5jrcfgQ7mxc=; b=MOsb8DMBn2kjs5I2LnOVXMgfr5grSX7m1UvDmOsSkO1YL6tLnFbW2VBxqXp4lThJRFegu2rOTzirzWXM+BSOhaynrybAQRqyWnO9Fj3EQOfxOjIhdqlBVNKyN97trYLB6SzrhL4x/pGJj7lv8g+EEoMU/3MgTQbv1xtrau2zUEc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Ywu9N0KH/Xce7GPk+vRwrm3aQanK3QAiRD78txfzf2UdBjX61gTX2hNLv+sNT81b/KdClcv0+GKL554XeFWpJvUNGZsyPVO3HhuYPt6KlM+pEGAnaR5+0/rDDGGTIyP3EkJkTkjnA/D4AI+t8rFXNXa9yvRcDWjpI9zh57gadgw= Message-ID: <4759e5740709200823v3ca8e093keca6775e10b96927@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:23:55 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, In-Reply-To: <20070920101953.67sukl7z6s48s04s@69.89.21.76> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_16541_689890.1190301840552" References: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> <20070920101953.67sukl7z6s48s04s@69.89.21.76> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74709 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:24:02 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_16541_689890.1190301840552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline forgot to mention that... I packed away my mackie years ago, just use the mixer inside live, and occasionally the motu cue mix for routing extra stuff... t On 9/20/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > > Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net: > > > > ...(has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). > The RME800 is such a flexible interface/mixer that I don't take the > Mackie with me anymore. > > > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_16541_689890.1190301840552 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline forgot to mention that... I packed away my mackie years ago, just use the mixer inside live, and occasionally the motu cue mix for routing extra stuff... 

    t


    On 9/20/07, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com <kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com > wrote:
    Quoting midifriedchicken@comcast.net:
    >
    > ...(has anyone else packed away their Mackie?).
    The RME800 is such a flexible interface/mixer that I don't take the
    Mackie with me anymore.






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    todd@toddreynolds.com
    toddreyn@gmail.com
    ------=_Part_16541_689890.1190301840552-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:27:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 220C83BF89; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1190300759.46f28c57c06b6@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:05:59 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: kazoo looping :-) References: <00ac01c7fb62$8e34a4d0$6402a8c0@PC576340162804> <014301c7fb8c$bed1c440$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <014301c7fb8c$bed1c440$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 24.6.254.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74710 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:27:48 +0000 (UTC) Where is JP Morgan? and Jamie Farr? lol.. on a technical note, this guy was using AmbiLoop.. Here is his posting from the AmbiLoop mailing list: "Thanks for Ambiloop! Very cool. Here's a public performance based on Kazoo.... cheesy but fun. I didn't have a direct audio feed, so you get crapy videocamera audio. Experienced users will see that I had some problems 2/3rds of the way through... performance jitters?" peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > It appears Youtube has turned in to the Gong Show. :) What next, Bag Pipe > Looping? Looped dogs barking in harmony Jingle Bells? > Youtube is an amazing venue. > > K- > > > http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=mVebMc-L-Zg > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 15:59:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D92123BF3C; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: BreachinThePeace@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:58:53 EDT Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1190303933" X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5374 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74711 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:59:03 +0000 (UTC) -------------------------------1190303933 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/20/2007 10:43:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, midifriedchicken@comcast.net writes: I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FCB1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig. I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me rule the world the way I envision. More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure. MFC That is SO cool! My partner in criminal music activities just ordered the same machine! You two have ZERO to worry about and lots to look forward to. Motu - Ultralites are completely cool as well. They sound perfect and have every live capability you could ever hope for! You may want to make sure (if you are using your fire wire ports already for externals) that you look into either a firwire or a SATA (you F'n lucky dawg!) expresscard adapter. You are so HOOKED UP!!!! ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -------------------------------1190303933 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    -------------------------------1190303933-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 16:32:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BA3683BF73; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:29:20 -0400 From: rick To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux - replace my podxt perhaps?? Message-ID: <20070920162920.GA17982@SillyBoy.zoominternet.net> References: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 15.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: outgoing X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 24.154.1.27 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74712 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:32:12 +0000 (UTC) Can this work reliably then?? Been thinking of running through the laptop and leaving the pod at home for electric stuff. On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 02:43:18PM +0000, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FCB1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig. > I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me rule the world the way I envision. > More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure. > > MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 794713BF7B; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Per Boysen Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:35:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: FCB1010 / Soft Case Foot Controller by SKB Cases Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46F2BD67.27309.21E0274@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74713 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:35:51 +0000 (UTC) On 20 Sep 2007 at 8:02, Per Boysen wrote: > > http://www.skbcases.com/music/products/proddetail.php? > > f=3D&id=3D220&o=3D&offset=3D1&c=3D85&s=3D75 worth shopping around - in the UK, I've found it online for as low as =A317 and as high as =A337!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:40:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 618E83BF8F; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: From: "iwaynet" To: References: <20070920103754.0338B3BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070920103754.0338B3BF57@arsenic.violacea.com> Subject: Re: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #761 Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:40:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6000.16480 Resent-Message-ID: <0cLVl.A.RKF.6Br8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74714 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:37 AM Subject: Loopers-Delight-d Digest V07 #761 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:45:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C6C23BF96; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:45:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74715 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Perhaps I missed it, but is there a website for Rick's SantaCruz looping festival =3F I don't recall seeing info posted on it yet -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you=3F http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:51:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 42A0A3BF9D; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b001c7fbae$d1dc1050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <092020071443.7172.46F287060005133900001C042216525806020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:51:04 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C7FB7C.8634C430" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74716 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:51:09 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C7FB7C.8634C430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ahhhh....nice. This system should work great. It is what I hope to go to = in January, except with a Fireface 400. I packed away my Mackie a long = time ago. I walk to a gig with my instrument, laptop, FCB, and = collapsable table....just one trip from the car to venue. :) Although, I have some prority conflicts coming up. I plan to have a = luthier make me a custom mini archtop jazz guitar starting the beginning = of the year. That may cost me roughly $4000, though not billable all at = the same time. I will buy the Fireface 400 first, in a few weeks, and if = it works on my ThinkPad and my expresscard/firewire adaptor, I may = postpone getting the macbook for a half a year. We'll see.=20 I'll be anxioius to hear how you new system performs. Keep us updated! Kris I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just = ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton = Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I = figure this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, = interface, FCB1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have = everything covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has = anyone else packed away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a = foldable handcart. I can do my solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge = gig, or even with play electric in bands using Guitar Rig.=20 I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let = me rule the world the way I envision.=20 More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords = fo rthe next 10 days I'm sure.=20 MFC ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C7FB7C.8634C430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Ahhhh....nice. This system should work = great. It is=20 what I hope to go to in January, except with a Fireface 400. I packed = away my=20 Mackie a long time ago. I walk to a gig with my instrument, laptop, FCB, = and=20 collapsable table....just one trip from the car to venue. = :)
     
    Although, I have some prority conflicts = coming up.=20 I plan to have a luthier make me a custom mini archtop jazz guitar = starting the=20 beginning of the year. That may cost me roughly $4000, though not = billable all=20 at the same time. I will buy the Fireface 400 first, in a few weeks, and = if it=20 works on my ThinkPad and my expresscard/firewire adaptor, I may postpone = getting=20 the macbook for a half a year. We'll see.
     
    I'll be anxioius to hear how you new = system=20 performs. Keep us updated!
     
    Kris
     
     

    I've decided to jump in completely, musically = and financially. I=20 just ordered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between = Ableton=20 Live, Sooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, = I figure=20 this is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, = interface,=20 FCB1010,  and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have = everything=20 covered. I will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone = else packed=20 away their Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can = do my=20 solo acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric = in bands=20 using Guitar Rig.
    I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and = let me=20 rule the world the way I envision.
    More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and = passwords fo=20 rthe next 10 days I'm sure.
     
    MFC
    ------=_NextPart_000_01AD_01C7FB7C.8634C430-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:51:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DCA643BF9C; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com> Subject: Re: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 11:51:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74717 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:51:57 +0000 (UTC) http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ I have a few more updates to make. Kris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? Perhaps I missed it, but is there a website for Rick's SantaCruz looping festival ? I don't recall seeing info posted on it yet -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 17:58:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAFC63BF8C; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:58:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Originating-IP: [216.209.108.14] X-Originating-Email: [jjmco@sympatico.ca] Message-ID: Reply-To: "jerry macdonald" From: "jerry macdonald" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:58:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C7FB8E.52125750" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2007 17:58:13.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0738A30:01C7FBAF] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74718 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:58:16 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C7FB8E.52125750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable to whomever..i want to unsubscribe from loopers delight....thanks = jjmco@sympatico.ca ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C7FB8E.52125750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    to whomever..i want to unsubscribe = from  =20 loopers  delight....thanks =20 jjmco@sympatico.ca
    ------=_NextPart_000_00B6_01C7FB8E.52125750-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 18:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F280E3BFB1; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070920130118.gzerqaik0sk4g88g@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:01:18 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? References: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com> <01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74719 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:01:52 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Krispen Hartung : > http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > > I have a few more updates to make. > > Kris > Kris, when I navigate the web site, I get errors: Warning: main(display_schedule.inc): failed to open stream: No such file or directory in /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'display_schedule.inc' (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 I presume that these errors are due to the web site's "under construction" status ... just want to be sure there isn't something wrong with my browser. Look forward to seeing the program/roster of musicians. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 18:02:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BE143BFB9; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:02:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01dc01c7fbb0$5ba340f0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: Subject: Re: unsubscribe Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:02:05 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C7FB7E.0FECB290" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74720 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:02:08 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C7FB7E.0FECB290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How did you subscribe in the first place? Go to the place that told you = how to do that, and then read how to unsubscribe. Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 From: jerry macdonald=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: unsubscribe to whomever..i want to unsubscribe from loopers delight....thanks = jjmco@sympatico.ca ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C7FB7E.0FECB290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    How did you subscribe in the first = place? Go to the=20 place that told you how to do that, and then read how to=20 unsubscribe.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 jerry = macdonald
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 20, = 2007 11:58=20 AM
    Subject: unsubscribe

    to whomever..i want to unsubscribe=20 from   loopers  delight....thanks  jjmco@sympatico.ca
    ------=_NextPart_000_01D7_01C7FB7E.0FECB290-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 18:05:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 339CB3BF40; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:58:44 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: jerry macdonald Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: [LOOP] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74721 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:05:04 +0000 (UTC) On Thu, 20 Sep 2007, jerry macdonald wrote: > to whomever..i want to unsubscribe from loopers delight....thanks jjmco@sympatico.ca From http://www.loopers-delight.com/list/LoopList.html ######################## I'm sorry, I need to unsubscribe from Looper's Delight. How do I do that? It's not that I dislike people there or anything, you understand. To unsubscribe, send mail with the word "unsubscribe" in both the subject and body, and no sig files or anything else, to: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com If you are on the digest version of Looper's Delight, send your unsubscribe request to: Loopers-Delight-d-request@loopers-delight.com Don't send your unsubscribe message to the list, or people will make fun of you and you will feel like a dork. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 18:14:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E9223BFB6; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01e901c7fbb2$19fa6820$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com><01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070920130118.gzerqaik0sk4g88g@69.89.21.76> Subject: Re: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:14:34 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74722 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:14:37 +0000 (UTC) It's the schedule/calendar app. Chris (CPR) will be fixing that shortly. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > >> http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ >> >> I have a few more updates to make. >> >> Kris >> > > Kris, when I navigate the web site, I get errors: > > Warning: main(display_schedule.inc): failed to open stream: No such > file or directory in > /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 > > Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'display_schedule.inc' > (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in > /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 > > I presume that these errors are due to the web site's "under > construction" status ... just want to be sure there isn't something > wrong with my browser. Look forward to seeing the program/roster of > musicians. > > -- Kevin > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2C8C73BF9F; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070920151230.KRZ6T.12399.root@fepweb09> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:12:30 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Cc: Krispen Hartung In-Reply-To: <01b001c7fbae$d1dc1050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74723 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Hey Krispen, What factor was it that made you choose the Fireface 400 over the MOTU Ultr= alite? Just curious. I've been saving up for the MOTU (somewhat less money, and if I run into pr= oblems or need advice Kaiser can always help me since that's what he uses). Is there a compelling reason I should maybe be thinking about something els= e? Cheers! tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn "Different is not always better, but better is always different" www.tedkillian.com Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?p= layListId=3D6378076=20 Also check out the BEMF 1 CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimenta= l/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D121197000042 http://www.guitarplayer.com/story.asp?storyCode=3D18131 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ---- Krispen Hartung wrote:=20 > Ahhhh....nice. This system should work great. It is what I hope to go to = in January, except with a Fireface 400. I packed away my Mackie a long time= ago. I walk to a gig with my instrument, laptop, FCB, and collapsable tabl= e....just one trip from the car to venue. :) >=20 > Although, I have some prority conflicts coming up. I plan to have a luthi= er make me a custom mini archtop jazz guitar starting the beginning of the = year. That may cost me roughly $4000, though not billable all at the same t= ime. I will buy the Fireface 400 first, in a few weeks, and if it works on = my ThinkPad and my expresscard/firewire adaptor, I may postpone getting the= macbook for a half a year. We'll see.=20 >=20 > I'll be anxioius to hear how you new system performs. Keep us updated! >=20 > Kris >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > I've decided to jump in completely, musically and financially. I just o= rdered a 2.4 gig Macbook Pro, and a Motu Ultralite. Between Ableton Live, S= ooperlooper (or Virtual Repeater someday) and various plugins, I figure thi= s is all I need for any gig. I figure I can bring the laptop, interface, FC= B1010, and 2 Peavey PR10 powered speakers and I have everything covered. I= will not even need a Hardware Mixer anymore (has anyone else packed away t= heir Mackie?). This will all fit onto a foldable handcart. I can do my solo= acoustic gig, Electronica Lounge gig, or even with play electric in bands = using Guitar Rig.=20 > I'm hoping that this souped up Mac will end the CPU troubles and let me= rule the world the way I envision.=20 > More later next week. I will be moving files, programs and passwords fo= rthe next 10 days I'm sure.=20 >=20 > MFC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:22:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 97B083BFB0; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:22:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <1190312511.46f2ba3f6b812@webmail.musetrap.com> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:21:51 -0500 From: cpr@musetrap.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com, Krispen Hartung Cc: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? References: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com><01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070920130118.gzerqaik0sk4g88g@69.89.21.76> <01e901c7fbb2$19fa6820$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01e901c7fbb2$19fa6820$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.2 X-Originating-IP: 208.49.125.142 Resent-Message-ID: <-GDYOB.A.86B.bhs8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74724 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:22:03 +0000 (UTC) *looking sheepish* I'll get that hooked up tonight.. :) peace -cpr Quoting Krispen Hartung : > It's the schedule/calendar app. Chris (CPR) will be fixing that shortly. > > Kris > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Quoting Krispen Hartung : > > > >> http://www.y2kloopfest.com/ > >> > >> I have a few more updates to make. > >> > >> Kris > >> > > > > Kris, when I navigate the web site, I get errors: > > > > Warning: main(display_schedule.inc): failed to open stream: No such > > file or directory in > > /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 > > > > Fatal error: main(): Failed opening required 'display_schedule.inc' > > (include_path='.:/usr/share/pear') in > > /home/httpd/vhosts/y2kloopfest.com/httpdocs/index.html on line 150 > > > > I presume that these errors are due to the web site's "under > > construction" status ... just want to be sure there isn't something > > wrong with my browser. Look forward to seeing the program/roster of > > musicians. > > > > -- Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:34:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1BDD3BFB7; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070920143353.mm6d24j480g80k8g@69.89.21.76> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:33:53 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: website for the Santa Cruz looping festival ? References: <380-22007942017459986@M2W013.mail2web.com><01b501c7fbae$efa50880$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <20070920130118.gzerqaik0sk4g88g@69.89.21.76> <01e901c7fbb2$19fa6820$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <1190312511.46f2ba3f6b812@webmail.musetrap.com> In-Reply-To: <1190312511.46f2ba3f6b812@webmail.musetrap.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <-_XwkD.A.zaC.Fts8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74725 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:34:29 +0000 (UTC) Quoting cpr@musetrap.com: > *looking sheepish* > > I'll get that hooked up tonight.. :) > > peace > -cpr > No need to be sheepish. The Loopfest is a labor of love for the organizers. Appreciate all of your hard work. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:37:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BE4D43BFBF; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:33:06 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #546 for September 13, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46F2CAF2.9070508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74726 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget to tune in to tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070913.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #546 September 13, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Protoavis" on Quantum Records. PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Palancar Yuri's Night part 1 Yuri's Night (Earth Mantra) Steve Kornicki Music for Altered Transformations and Instruments #2 Maipulations (none) Arcane The Kashubian Pulse (none) Connection Exile Urban Zoo Dimension D (Origo Sound) Exile Episode I Dimension D (Origo Sound) Exile Timewind Dimension D (Origo Sound) Free System Projekt In the Ocean of Protoavis (Quantum) Tethys 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Free System Projekt In the Ocean of Protoavis (Quantum) Tethys (continued) Free System Projekt Protoavis Protoavis (Quantum) Free System Projekt Desolate Landscapes Protoavis (Quantum) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll continue the month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Moyland" on Quantum Records. Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 19:44:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BD2CE3BFBC; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <025901c7fbbe$a8e1d940$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <20070920151230.KRZ6T.12399.root@fepweb09> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:44:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74727 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Basically user reviews, positive reviews from Max/MSP users, and Kaiser...as he uses the MOTU, and is moving to the FW 400. Plus, I've heard excellent reviews of the converters. Kris ----- Original Message ----- Hey Krispen, What factor was it that made you choose the Fireface 400 over the MOTU Ultralite? Just curious. I've been saving up for the MOTU (somewhat less money, and if I run into problems or need advice Kaiser can always help me since that's what he uses). Is there a compelling reason I should maybe be thinking about something else? Cheers! tEd ® kiLLiAn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 20:30:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6D02F3BFA7; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-Id: <352212A2-50BD-415A-931E-1FC14AA6E909@mac.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--587779870 From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Denver Loopage Fri. Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:31:41 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74728 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:30:28 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--587779870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'll be playing solo (guitar/ looping) at the opening reception for =20 artist Alok Hsu Kwang-Han Fri. Sept. 21th. @ "Studio 910", 910 Santa =20= Fe Drive, Denver, Colorado 80204 (303) 815 1779. 6 - 9:30pm. <>"For Alok Hsu Kwang-han, two streams flow: one from the East, one =20 from the West. They merge in what he has come to call =93The Creativity =20= of Non-doing=94. Creativity comes in on its own. It happens as you give =20= up trying to be creative. Alok Hsu Kwang-han is an internationally =20 acclaimed and highly original Zen calligraphic painter from China. =20 His work is a startling new synthesis of the beauty of Chinese =20 calligraphy, the spontaneity of Zen, and the evolution of Western =20 Psychotherapy. His paintings are not only unusual and striking in =20 their beauty, they also convey an invitation for us to enter." http://=20= www.zencalligraphy.com/ <> It'll be my first outing with the RC50, no processing, and playing =20 acoustically (acoustic archtop w/ Schertler pickup - vol. pedal - =20 RC50 - amp) - should be interesting. - Paul << http://web.mac.com/pmimlitsch/ >>= --Apple-Mail-2--587779870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I'll be playing solo=A0(guitar/ looping) at the = opening reception for artist=A0 Alok Hsu Kwang-Han=A0Fri. Sept. 21th. @ = "Studio 910",=A0910 Santa Fe Drive,=A0Denver, Colorado = 80204=A0(303) = 815 1779.=A0=A06 - = 9:30pm.

    <>"For Alok Hsu Kwang-han, = two streams flow: one from the East, one from the West. They merge in = what he has come to call =93The Creativity of Non-doing=94. Creativity = comes in on its own. It happens as you give up trying to be creative.=A0 = Alok Hsu Kwang-han is an internationally acclaimed and highly original = Zen calligraphic painter from China. His work is a startling new = synthesis of the beauty of Chinese calligraphy, the spontaneity of Zen, = and the evolution of Western Psychotherapy.=A0 His paintings are not = only unusual and striking in their beauty, they also convey an = invitation for us to enter."=A0http://www.zencalligraphy.com/=A0= <>


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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 21:19:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9B6513BF76; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Laptop Looping Redux, Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:19:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c7fbcb$fab0c490$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <025901c7fbbe$a8e1d940$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf7vqoh9ley9yDZRNiwfG1dN4fVSAADQLsA X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINPN8rBAg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74729 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:19:27 +0000 (UTC) > Basically user reviews, positive reviews from Max/MSP users, > and Kaiser...as he uses the MOTU, and is moving to the FW > 400. Plus, I've heard excellent reviews of the converters. With all due respect, I will now make a VERY bold statement and claim that given the fact under which conditions you record and which monitoring equipment you use for your production chain, there's not that much to choose between a MOTU Ultralite, a FF400 or a TC Electronics Konnekt 24D with regard to converters. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 21:52:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 571F43BF83; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-16--582950478 Message-Id: <24BC90C7-7A8C-41F0-8406-F4C74EF266EC@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Redux: Most programmable midi foot controller Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:52:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74730 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:52:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-16--582950478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Just an update for you all in case anyone was curious. I ended up picking up a Line 6 DL4 and simplifying my pedal-board rather than continuing to use the Echo Pro live. It cuts down the number of things I have to carry to rehearsals- now I just carry a guitar, Fender Prosonic combo and the pedal-board. No more racks, everything is at my feet- I can deal with the double function button for 1/2 speed and reverse and it is all good. The 14 second memory hasn't bothered me so far. I'll still do all my studio looping with the Echo Pro, Lexicon Jamman and the Lexicon MPXG2 but for live this is working for me. Many thanks to all that offered assistance. Jim Richmond On Sep 14, 2007, at 11:13 AM, James Richmond wrote: > Hi all, > > I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, no undo > required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all the time. > I am trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally > something that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable > per pedal. > > That is it really, but the devil is in the details. > I have a couple of foot controllers already- that can send CC > messages, which kinda works except with one the 1/2 speed CC is in > a different bank (so I have to press bank up, and bank down all the > time), the other is not able to be set to specify specific values > for the CC messages, so it seems to alternate between sending 0 and > 127 for each controller number, which means I have to press each > button twice to get a result, sometimes not. > > All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, Overdub, Half > Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems like a pretty > simple requirement. > I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but it is > $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi. > > Does anyone have any other options for me? > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond --Apple-Mail-16--582950478 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just an update for you all in = case anyone was curious.

    I ended up picking up a = Line 6 DL4 and simplifying my pedal-board rather than continuing to use = the Echo Pro live.

    It cuts down the number of = things I have to carry to rehearsals- now I just carry a guitar, Fender = Prosonic combo and the pedal-board.
    No more racks, everything = is at my feet- I can deal with the double function button for 1/2 speed = and reverse and it is all good. The 14 second memory hasn't bothered me = so far.
    I'll still do all my studio looping with the Echo Pro, = Lexicon Jamman and the Lexicon MPXG2 but for live this is working for = me.

    Many = thanks to all that=A0offered assistance.

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 14, 2007, at 11:13 AM, James = Richmond wrote:

    Hi = all,


    I use an Echo Pro for my looping- simple stuff really, = no undo required but I do use reverse and 1/2 speed all the = time.

    I am = trying to find a more flexible midi foot controller, ideally something = that can be used to send midi note messages, programmable per = pedal.


    That is it really, but the devil is in the = details.

    I have a = couple of foot=A0 = controllers already- that can send CC messages, which kinda works = except with one the 1/2 speed CC is in a different bank (so I have to = press bank up, and bank down all the time), the other is not able to be = set to specify specific values for the CC messages, so it seems to = alternate between sending 0 and 127 for each controller number, which = means I have to press each button twice to get a result, sometimes = not.


    All I want is to be able to have Rec, Play, Stop, = Overdub, Half Speed and Reverse on 6 dedicated buttons- it seems like a = pretty simple requirement.

    I had considered using a Roland PK5 midi foot controller, but = it is $500, bulky and cannot receive power over midi.


    Does anyone have any other options for me?


    Regards,


    Jim Richmond

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-16--582950478-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 22:06:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CDD33BF81; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:06:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <029001c7fbd2$76492ec0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <000601c7fbcb$fab0c490$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:06:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <-jNyJD.A.DGB.Y7u8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74731 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:06:16 +0000 (UTC) I don't understand, Rainer. Can you explain in another way? Do you meant that there isn't much difference between those three units' converters in terms of quality? The TC Electronic was very appealing to me too, but a friend of a friend did some testing on the unit and it exhibited audio cross-over between the channels. Apparently, given the test that this person uses, the FW400 passed with flying colors. Kris ----- Original Message ----- >> Basically user reviews, positive reviews from Max/MSP users, >> and Kaiser...as he uses the MOTU, and is moving to the FW >> 400. Plus, I've heard excellent reviews of the converters. > > With all due respect, I will now make a VERY bold statement and claim that > given the fact under which conditions you record and which monitoring > equipment you use for your production chain, there's not that much to > choose > between a MOTU Ultralite, a FF400 or a TC Electronics Konnekt 24D with > regard to converters. > > Rainer > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 20 23:40:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25BFF3BF5D; Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005601c7fbdf$9750c440$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Y2K7 WEBSITE Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:40:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74732 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 23:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Hi everybody, Rick Walker here with an apology about the lateness of date in getting info about the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival I just wanted to let everyone know that because of several events outside of my control I'm getting a much later start on the final scheduling for the Y2K7 Looping Festival than I intended. Thank goodness, due to the keen advice from Per Boysen and my wife about how to make this years' (and subsequent) festivals much less stressful and also with intense help from Chris Cohn (Samba) and his partner, Gretchen McPherson who helped us to secure a modest grant the festival is well organized on all fronts and all that remains is the final scheduling (which will be finished by this weekend) and the publicity. Also, I want to mention a tremendous amount of help from Kris Hartung who is webmastering the website which is up now at www.y2kloopfest.com and Chris Roberts (aka CPR) who is our webhoster. Ted Killian also made the slammin' poster with a piece of artwork that I fabricated (as Per Boysen would so fondly say........lol) I've also had more support this year than ever from private and public donors so I am able to bring more artists from far away. The great news is that this will be the biggest festival in years and there are a ton of new faces who will be appearing (and , sadly, a few regular faces that won't be). The festival will last three nights and two days from Friday, "October 19th through Sunday, October 21st (with the loopers brunch on Monday, Oct. 22nd) Our headliners will be: The great ECM bassist, Arild Andersen will be coming from Norway. The wonderful guitarist/electronics new musician Erdem Havicioglu will be coming from Turkey to perform. Leander Reininghaus, the German guitarist who was also responsible for the 1st Berlin Live Looping Festival will be performing Fabio Anile, the sublimely beautiful ambient keyboardist will also be headlining from Italy. Our special guest artist will be one of the live loopers who has been using this medium as long as anyone I know in the field, the inimitable New Guitarist, Henry Kaiser. Our Featured Performers will be: Randolf Arriola will be coming all the way from Singapore to perform. Dan Mayfield wll bring his beautiful multi-instrumental singer songwriter material from England. Richard Sales will be coming from Canada. Konrad Kuchenmeister will be coming from Germany and we will have a special treat, a return of last year's headliner, Per Boysen from Sweden. Add to that, returns by festival favorites Bill Walker, LOOP STATION!, Genie, Carl Weinberg, Barry Cleveland, Gary Regina, Michael Klobuchar and a cast of dozens...........it's going to rock and roll!!!!!!! DETAILS in a few days at WWW.Y2KLOOPFEST.COM Thanks for your patience. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 03:10:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9AA43BEF4; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=507MGYtagW7d4AYLo9RTrFqCKIApjaukL9nM5fDozrZGcG+/JNemRsB0bmK8msQfrLNUPq4JaKH2hQr5uYqsby1vh2YiZmo34ua4v55JX6v0BXpvBy+SCtkJ6WSnbcXLwOh8ChjSW5HBgOltbnIgjiV4FX640uuvqm+7g11KXpg=; X-YMail-OSG: flrMC4IVM1mrrHxTn1sqKiaYNiDQi7ACdku.mZZAM.R38naSVV8NXMO99DJwXeq8VR57Z7LBwD.21WEXkfi2D4G407_uRh6ZpgM2U095R9RmTmH4No0- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:10:28 -0700 (PDT) From: David Chandler Subject: Space Cowboy Headphone Remix by DC 4 defrostMusic To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <755907.95656.qm@web52702.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74733 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Hey guys, Just finished my second NIN remix. 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TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 03:21:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 097433BF5D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:21:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <3E6B0F6E-9AD2-4366-B067-6DE7BEC28EBA@johnfloridis.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers Delight From: john floridis Subject: Anvil 5 Space Rack Effects Center Pedal Board Case in 1 - (eBay item 290161860649 end time Sep-24-07 12:26:33 PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:21:25 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <62ocw.A.N_E.3iz8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74734 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 03:21:27 +0000 (UTC) With some of the crazy combinations of pedals, rack effects, etc. that so many of us have, I had to share this link. What a trippy looking box, but I know it's got to work for someone. John http://cgi.ebay.com/Anvil-5-Space-Rack-Effects-Center-Pedal-Board- Case- in-1_W0QQitemZ290161860649QQihZ019QQcategoryZ41412QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 07:25:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A6C4C3BF4C; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM MacOS X Eudora Version 6.2J rev3.3 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:25:35 +0900 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sunao Inami Subject: OT: gig info [Koch-Schuiz-Studer 7 Nights 7 Combinations 7 Colors] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74735 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:25:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi LD, Sorry for off topic. My good Swiss friends, Koch-Schuiz-Studer comes to Japan again and 7 days series gig in Tokyo. I will play with them on 1st night. [Koch-Schuiz-Studer 7 Nights 7 Combinations 7 Colors] The internationally renowned Swiss Impro/Electrojazz-Trio "Koch-Schuiz-Studer" (KSS) invites selected Japanese musicians to a full week of joint concerts and collaborations. 7 days of sparkling musical colors ! http://www.koch-schuetz-studer.ch/ 1st October 2007 Satoru WONO & Sunao INAMI Two Heroes of the Japanese electronic scene get together as a Duo for the first time ! Satoru Wono brings his Metroplitan Tokyo flavors, intriguing and mesmerizing electronics; while Sunao Inami comes at us with a shower of analog and processed synth-sounds, cooked up at his sound lab in Kobe. 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I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, but I have already run int= o a problem that I'm hoping someone could help me with: When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, or guitar= amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the PA/amp & starts to= record itself recording loops-- sort of like a "mirror looking into a mirr= or" effect... At low volume it's not much of a problem, but at the higher v= olume necessary to push the sound out to an audience in a decent size room,= I can't stop the sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. It gets= worse the more layers I try to add to the loop, with the live mic rerecord= ing the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitched feedback so= und that destroys the process & performance. I never use monitors because t= hat just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up also. Other singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with this pr= oblem, it's got be very common. 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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 268613BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:58:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036057; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:14 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:14 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755693BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036166; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:17 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:17 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A3E3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036316; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:22 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:22 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C082A3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036351; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:23 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:23 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2753A3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036507; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:28 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:28 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7633A3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036522; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:29 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:29 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69A63BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036666; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:42 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:42 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070383BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036646; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:42 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:42 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8663BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036713; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:44 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:44 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB5B3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1036817; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:46 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:46 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9D93BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037192; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:57 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:57 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF713BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037196; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:57 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:57 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB853BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037237; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:58 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:58 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CEB3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037251; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:58 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:00:58 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178183BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037405; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:03 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:03 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E6A3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037461; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:05 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:05 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 751033BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037615; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:09 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:09 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB413BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037797; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:14 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:14 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DBD3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037805; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:15 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:15 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B513BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037827; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:15 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:15 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6C43BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037878; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:18 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:18 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54CDB3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037882; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:18 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:18 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5403BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1037934; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:20 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:20 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE003BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038093; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:32 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:32 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3691C3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038134; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:33 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:33 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABD83BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038236; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:36 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:36 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84E633BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038238; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:36 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:36 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A753BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038325; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:39 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34423BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038436; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:42 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:42 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F245B3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038530; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:45 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:45 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CD923BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038533; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:45 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:45 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B7913BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038826; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:53 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:53 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FD33BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038863; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:54 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:54 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9780D3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038928; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D7C3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038935; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73673BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1038940; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:56 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCC53BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039013; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:59 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:01:59 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525823BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039078; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:00 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:00 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EC13BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039129; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:02 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:02 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE403BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039186; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:04 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:04 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C02913BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039265; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:06 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:06 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

    Dear TCF Bank member,
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    TCF Security team.

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D902A3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039574; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:17 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:17 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 322663BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039673; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:21 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:21 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6496E3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039775; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:30 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:30 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8893BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039826; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:34 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:34 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15FF3BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039985; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312693BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1039993; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEB83BEFF for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040003; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:39 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A1443BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040344; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:49 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:49 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254743BF02 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040547; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:55 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:55 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DCE3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040494; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:53 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:53 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717A23BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040579; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:55 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:02:55 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44C13BF02 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1040943; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:06 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:06 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCBB3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041137; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:13 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:13 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B18193BF02 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041255; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:17 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:17 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA193BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041263; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:17 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:17 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FE63BF02 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041316; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:19 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:19 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5317A3BF02 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041590; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:28 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:28 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From accounts@tcfbank.com Fri Sep 21 07:59:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: from tut.by (focus.tutby.com [86.57.250.18]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D6B3BF01 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by tut.by (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.3.8) with PIPE id 1041445; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:23 +0300 To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Subject: TCF Bank Reminder: PIease Update Your Data From: TCF Financial corporation Reply-To: accounts@tcfbank.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 07:03:23 +0300 Message-ID: TCF Bank Alert

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 08:06:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F28B53BF45; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:06:38 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200709210806.l8L86cLm019897@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Y2K7 WEBSITE X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74737 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:06:39 +0000 (UTC) Hi Rick (and actually, everbody as well), > The great news is that this will be the biggest festival in years and the= re > are a ton of new faces who will > be appearing (and , sadly, a few regular faces that won't be). it's great to hear about this stellar lineup you were able to line up for t= he looping world at large...I mean, with Arild Andersen and Henry Kaiser, t= here are artists of whom I actually bought records (vinyl!) long before I e= ven heard about live looping or anything in that realm. It's a pity that just this year's festival won't get streamed via the inter= net as was the case with the last few festivals. But then again, Krispen pr= omised to do recordings and hopefully will make them available (assuming ar= tist's agreement). One sentence in your message especially delighted me (and I want other read= ers to take note of this as well): >Thank goodness, due to the keen advice from Per Boysen and my wife about h= ow >to make this years' (and subsequent) festivals much less stressful and als= o It's the word "subsequent". Thanks, Rick, for all you are (have been and prolly will be) doing for our = looping thing! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 08:30:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40CA93BF45; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=N9T7jr3a5SYB7+qRlNT+2dOFdx+VW7i2IRfrz/HMhuk=; b=bonjXsbluKizSjqc3q+yALJRubVS1zTWPjYtFeNNHRwrhdiVKUPSEJYFUCcDid8DTi0zrA2WDyGloJJwwLVxqRA5PDfQN3l3kXCAPJIJ4T2FcxMBcaPHRFiPE0+I/pBWNJ9Bu6s17AusOZkQLfbAmfOwojFcHAbiQYDdBeu5nEA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=YpzbffN1lF0n4XHOS9jDJ2cAxgjgONGqikSIgF67/a4GSHYfFM86Xv+p8P28+4/xRbwGoD6Hy22PSESjaPPzel1IH1/a8wRjn3ROvClqgBkW6esVybeBiuduax0UDIUxJTTBIBlEQDTtti8JtePIVbKnHTJtgRxuZPg6D+q2SXw= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FE550EE-9ED6-466A-A9AB-24A40C8B1006@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:30:04 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <4OTZUD.A.y3F.SE48GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74738 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 08:30:11 +0000 (UTC) On 21 sep 2007, at 09.29, Chris D'Errico wrote: > When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, > or guitar amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the > PA/amp & starts to record itself recording loops-- sort of like a > "mirror looking into a mirror" effect... At low volume it's not > much of a problem, but at the higher volume necessary to push the > sound out to an audience in a decent size room, I can't stop the > sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. It gets worse the > more layers I try to add to the loop, with the live mic rerecording > the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitched > feedback sound that destroys the process & performance. I never use > monitors because that just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up > also. > > Other singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with > this problem, it's got be very common. Is there any possible way to > counter this? Any ideas on a workable set-up? > > I use an old Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals into an Akai > Headrush loop pedal & out to an old tube amp which has a line-out > that I run into the PA system when needed. > > Thanks for your time & attention, > > Chris D. > Las Vegas, Nevada Hi Chris, I sometimes play flute at my live looping concerts and have had the same problem you're describing. I'm fighting it with a combination of as close mic positioning as possible and a volume pedal to turn down the mic when not needed. And then there's the looping technique. Only overdub into the loop when you are making sound to layer. Never leave the loop in overdubbing mode when not particularly playing or singing something to add to the loop. Well, sometimes I also set up my system to automatically lower the feedback just a bit as I'm overdubbing or substituting. This can be achieved with the Gibson Echoplex looping device and the Mobius looping software (there are more details to this technique). 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Content preview: Untitled Document Warning Notification Dear paypal member, [...] Content analysis details: (7.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.7 UNDISC_RECIPS Valid-looking To "undisclosed-recipients" 1.2 MSGID_FROM_MTA_ID Message-Id for external message added locally 0.2 HTML_TITLE_UNTITLED BODY: HTML title contains "Untitled" -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.4 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts 3.9 FORGED_OUTLOOK_HTML Outlook can't send HTML message only 3.9 FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook 0.0 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list ------------=_1190357195-9698-266-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 10:57:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 100C23BF55; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:57:48 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74739 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:57:49 +0000 (UTC) Hi Chris, yes, you are right, this is a common problem, and Per already said a lot ab= out this topic, to which I only can agree. Perhaps a few other notes (some = of which actually overlap with Per's suggestions). 1. Mind the geometrical arrangement of your setup. Chances are that when us= ing a guitar amp onstage, the amp is situated behind you, which makes it bl= eed into your microphone. Have any speakers directed at the audience and stand in front of you. If yo= u are in need of actual monitoring, use headphones, and to be completely sa= fe here, make that either closed ones (might compromise your stage outfit) = or inears. 2. Optimize the use of the microphone. If you use a handheld microphone, lo= oking for a variant which is especially resistant to feedback (e.g. by prov= iding a hypercardioid polar pattern like the Beyer M88). And when holding t= he microphone in your hands, make sure not to obstruct the "rear entrance" = which would compromise the polar pattern and thus increase feedback. 3. Optimize your signal chain. A parametric EQ might work wonders here, as = you would be able to selectively address the feedback frequencies. Also, th= e use of a dynamic processor (compressor/gate) would help to bring forward = your wanted signal more (thus reducing necessary overall loop gain in your = setup) and at the same time mute the signal when you're not playing/singing= . 4. Dependant on the effects you're using, moving something behind the loope= r could also help a little, especially if you're using very radical resonan= t filters or similar. Of course, you have decide whether that works for wha= t you want to accomplish musically. All the best, Rainer ----- original Nachricht -------- Betreff: problem w/live looping using mic Gesendet: Fr, 21. Sep 2007 Von: Chris D'Errico >=20 > Greetings all... >=20 > I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, but I have already run i= nto > a problem that I'm hoping someone could help me with: >=20 > When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, or guit= ar > amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the PA/amp & starts t= o > record itself recording loops-- sort of like a "mirror looking into a > mirror" effect... At low volume it's not much of a problem, but at the > higher volume necessary to push the sound out to an audience in a decent > size room, I can't stop the sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the > mic. It gets worse the more layers I try to add to the loop, with the liv= e > mic rerecording the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitch= ed > feedback sound that destroys the process & performance. I never use monit= ors > because that just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up also. >=20 > Other singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with this > problem, it's got be very common. Is there any possible way to counter th= is? > Any ideas on a workable set-up? >=20 > I use an old Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals into an Akai Headrush l= oop > pedal & out to an old tube amp which has a line-out that I run into the P= A > system when needed.=20 >=20 > Thanks for your time & attention, >=20 > Chris D. > Las Vegas, Nevada=20 > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger > Caf=E9. > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline >=20 --- original Nachricht Ende ---- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 12:52:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0334A3BF58; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <20070919172118.dbkvop7lnowwg804@69.89.21.76> References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <20070919172118.dbkvop7lnowwg804@69.89.21.76> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <70939960-498A-445F-9D14-C75D89D81747@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:52:04 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74740 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:52:07 +0000 (UTC) On 19 Sep 2007, at 23:21, kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com wrote: > The Looperlative will quantize to the nearest MIDI clock pulse if > you so desire. > > Back to your loops.. if one loop has a length of 15 sixteenth notes > and the other a lenght of 12 sixteenth notes you could reduce it > down to five against three (by dividing by three). You could > actually accomplish this on something as "basic" as an RC50. You > would record an initial loop that is one measure long -- then > quantize the other loops to it. Your intial loop could be silent > -- just a placeholder, so to speak. (The RC50 can quantize to the > nearest measure, so you could then create a 3 measure loop against > a 5 measure loop). This did occur to me, It is strange how the RC can only use a measure as its quantize ref. I suppose it could work if the place measure was only a 16th note long. > > Now, the musical material that you play may indeed by 15/16 against > 3/4 however the loop's proportional lengths will be a simple ratio > of 3 to 5. > > I am probably not really answering your question. However, try > translating your time signatures into clock time and find the > overall ratio of the loops. There may be a simple way to do what > you want to do. No, thats very helpful. At the moment I chain up 3 boss gigadelays and set the loop lengths in seconds, this gives me a total of 6 loops. So i have got used to thinking in time rather than bars. Problem is it takes a while to change the lengths between pieces. If only the boss gigadelay had presets. > > Your idea, to merge analog modules with loops is very intriguing > and look forward to hearing your progress on your looping journey. I think it could be very interesting and am going to build one up. Wouldn't even really be a merge, as a dedicated looper system could be specifically created. There are small minicases from Doepfer http://www.doepfer.de/A100_beauty_black.JPG would allow the system to be physically very small as well as a big rack system. OR lots of little systems could be strung together is required. There is a loop playback function on the RS module and it offers 27 seconds of sample time but I don't think you can overdub. So a normal looper that accepts Midi (using the midi delay expander) would round everything off. The RS290 in combination with a few analog sequencer modules like this http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/sq8.htm http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/gt8.htm http://www.doepfer.de/A1882.htm would offer a really complex system could be built that could be far more flexible than any current hardware looper. (if cash is no problem!) I cant' think of any function that current loopers offer that the system could not be built to do, but I can imagine many things it could do that are probably not possible at the moment. Sequencers would re--trig loops, offering instant hands on controls for adjusting all loop timing parameters. No menus to scroll through! Also not forgetting the sonic mayhem that could result when you start feeding loops and modules back on them selves or having ring modulators, oscillators and envelope generators acting as sample loop modulators -adjusting time, pitch direction start and end point etc). Outputs from the loops could be sent to filters that are controlled by other loops, and envelopes / oscillators could be loop synced. A "real" modular built just for looping seems so much more appealing than a virtual on built in Max Bidule or Reaktor. And if you throw in a few Serge or Moog modules will sonically kick any purely software system into touch. You could even with Doepfer equipment build a looping vocoder system...Or have an array of 5 theramin modules each controlling the individual loops http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:54:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC19A3BF5D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:54:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:54:51 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200709211354.l8LDspp8021248@post.webmailer.de> X-Authentication-Warning: ket.store: httpd set sender to rs@moinlabs.de using -f To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: rs@moinlabs.de Subject: Re: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 512675 / 192.109.190.88 X-RZG-MBID: 0AP3TDtljfgdCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RZG-CLASS-ID: em07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74741 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:54:54 +0000 (UTC) > No, thats very helpful. At the moment I chain up 3 boss gigadelays =20 > and set the loop lengths in seconds, this gives me a total of 6 =20 > loops. So i have got used to thinking in time rather than bars. =20 > Problem is it takes a while to change the lengths between pieces. If =20 > only the boss gigadelay had presets. This actually gets me a little confused...the Gigadelay (Boss DD20) has a t= otal of four presets, no? Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 13:59:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC5053BF62; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dj9VSPyT4D7edi7uiik4XjQa4e2e0z/OTW6RZ7tYLqY=; b=YPVoiEq9sK1Om6HYKD239iPKWzO60rY3OnSZ02hsiG2ecFKqhbQ5jimNsM/84LxSOdQHq8HN1ad2C1thCt/uw/Ufg7nuEdV8tSXXGRM5uG3qHSBg4QorMgJiCCtNshSC0TDrSD7Nsa0UX/Ux+Wk8O0Auw63udp5Vwh+W5eEcjew= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MrJY7jRbfHINz/lF4xDKAQUlH9fIV5Tm1BKbni08XpfIHgj/LZAy6B4iYpmHKIaQK4Mgd173klS3IHjLFhSgMoPmijVub0Xka9rr3eao2R+bHVe4VIKi7Z2XroeDS+ZSV+gTUWONZDXUnMlUbuc94lJ2lY0Pwq8+o8qsS6P7RnA= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 06:59:47 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74742 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Consider putting the loop playback in your monitor and the mic signal 180 degrees out of phase. TH On 9/21/07, Chris D'Errico wrote: > I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, but I have already run into a problem that I'm hoping someone could help me with: > > When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, or guitar amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the PA/amp & starts to record itself recording loops-- sort of like a "mirror looking into a mirror" effect... At low volume it's not much of a problem, but at the higher volume necessary to push the sound out to an audience in a decent size room, I can't stop the sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 14:24:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 04FE43BF62; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <200709211354.l8LDspp8021248@post.webmailer.de> References: <200709211354.l8LDspp8021248@post.webmailer.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <112CBB9F-860A-4FC0-851A-1BFFC704250B@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The woodshed Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:23:53 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74743 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:24:01 +0000 (UTC) But you cannot store more than one delay time on each "slot". You cannot store global patches so cannot call up different delay times for each slot. So I have to manually change each "preset" between pieces. Unless i stick to the same delay times. On 21 Sep 2007, at 14:54, rs@moinlabs.de wrote: >> No, thats very helpful. At the moment I chain up 3 boss gigadelays >> and set the loop lengths in seconds, this gives me a total of 6 >> loops. So i have got used to thinking in time rather than bars. >> Problem is it takes a while to change the lengths between pieces. 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    The DD-20 has 4 user preset, each preset contains the following sett= ings:
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    If the delay types of slot 1 and 2 are of the same "family", you can= even use 2 loops in parallel. This is an undocumented feature of the DD-= 20 ;)
     
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    --_=__=_XaM3_.1190387714.2A.366686.42.22414.52.42.007.1873773803-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:20:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 65FBB3BF56; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:20:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Looping Survey - status report Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:21:19 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf4UDMUOO3Rm9WyStaqP6OddVy9CgEEiXCw In-Reply-To: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId48JxEiaU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74746 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:20:54 +0000 (UTC) A new short update to this one: http://tinyurl.com/23csuj Not much has changed with the participation rising to 75 answers - you can basically still take what I said in the last round, with one important change: with 8 users, the Looperlative has finally moved into the statistically relevant region, and with an average rating of 100% (!) moved to the top, still followed by the EDP (89%) and the Repeater (80%). As I want to avoid a sliding average effect in the results, I won't do it as Doug did and keep this survey open for a long time - in fact, I'm gonna continue for one more week and finally close it next Friday. So for all among you who haven't done so far - go to http://tinyurl.com/23csuj and fill out the survey. Should take you 5-10min. at most. Thanks, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:25:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 366733BF6D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:25:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=gHiD3ox60i7VMr7++4Lo1euuhtjuntM9FELwVpHP9SE=; b=Ni99giaF4PVAyAPIvySXqB+PAl0t7vuu6yYaAQA4pP0ehg140pbhefN6B7Mv1itVifaRtOsRFOisLetB0Kthe1fXchSIkGdd4Fr2MYLsXs2P3rVRy5zmpeYNJRJ0AL5N/CBZTf6y4sdoHuu0SgsPkcsb6Bveuo32bPBqY8YTV5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=N85+sv2T8h6nya5zY+KehIwX67uMNf5ixvv4tCXQYaFfx/92Fim9ofqUAZFf1wyKZ8fluVgKhO+T2vuxNPjahhQL+yy8hK9PwLfU9H+3kvuWnGrc7jQTGrgXPJVbQCifAmizOW6rRhJAcSJp1dSsbVPIvTovi48itmgFzJ0fW5A= Message-ID: <4759e5740709210825q12af1973o5c1ade4bd09a9f03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:25:04 -0400 From: "todd reynolds" Reply-To: todd@toddreynolds.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report In-Reply-To: <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20073_4430131.1190388304467" References: <001401c7f850$33441340$1001a8c0@succubus> <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74747 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:25:06 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_20073_4430131.1190388304467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just a vote for EVERYBODY taking this survey... it really took me no time at all and Survey Monkey really works well... thanks Rainer, for this.... fun to have our fingers on the pulse... and it's really painless and fun... Todd On 9/21/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > A new short update to this one: http://tinyurl.com/23csuj > > > So for all among you who haven't done so far - go to > http://tinyurl.com/23csuj and fill out the survey. Should take you > 5-10min. > at most. > > Thanks, > > Rainer > > -- http://www.toddreynolds.com |: http://myspace.com/toddreynoldsmusic |: ------------------------------------------------------|: 917.576.6166 todd@toddreynolds.com toddreyn@gmail.com ------=_Part_20073_4430131.1190388304467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline just a vote for EVERYBODY taking this survey... it really took me no time at all and Survey Monkey really works well... 

    thanks Rainer, for this.... fun to have our fingers on the pulse... and it's really painless and fun... 

    Todd

    On 9/21/07, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill <rs@moinlabs.de > wrote:
    A new short update to this one: http://tinyurl.com/23csuj


    So for all among you who haven't done so far - go to
    http://tinyurl.com/23csuj and fill out the survey. Should take you 5-10min.
    at most.

    Thanks,

            Rainer




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    todd@toddreynolds.com
    toddreyn@gmail.com
    ------=_Part_20073_4430131.1190388304467-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 15:34:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6C8F23BF76; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) To: Loop List Message-Id: <0B47E84F-B12C-4AE0-A844-154F1B39ABCB@steve-lawson.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--519217076 From: Steve Lawson Subject: Re: Y2K7 Website... Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:34:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dot1.hosting-ontap.co.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - steve-lawson.co.uk Resent-Message-ID: <8UIOwC.A.U0H.GS-8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74748 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:34:31 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--519217076 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sounds like a killer line-up, Rick - Arild is amazing! congratulations, Steve www.stevelawson.net - site www.stevelawson.net/zencart/ - shop http://steve.anthropiccollective.org - blog www.myspace.com/solobassstevelawson --Apple-Mail-6--519217076 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sounds like a killer line-up, = Rick - Arild is amazing!=A0

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    = --Apple-Mail-6--519217076-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:23:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3C33BF69; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:23:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F3F038.1080008@biink.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:24:24 -0400 From: David Beardsley Reply-To: db@biink.com Organization: Biink & SSI User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: ot: The Voice of the Bowed Guitar, the microtonal music of Rod Poole Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74749 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:23:39 +0000 (UTC) The Voice of the Bowed Guitar, the microtonal music of Rod Poole Sasha Bogdanowitsch, David Beardsley, John Cummins. September 23, 2007, 6:00 PM, free Downtown Music Gallery 342 Bowery [between E. 2nd & E. 3rd Streets] New York, NY 10012-2408 Phone: (212) 473-0043 - Toll Free: (800) 622-1387 We will perform a section of the Voice of the Bowed Guitar by the late Rod Poole. And possibly an improvisation by Sasha and the group. http://www.biink.com/poole/index.htm http://biink.com/db/shows.htm -- * David Beardsley * microtonal guitar * http://biink.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:33:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6A7203BF7C; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070921113329.s36mp7pqo8wkk40g@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:33:29 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: Quasi Digital/Analog Modular Looper? References: <001801c7fadd$70abeb60$1001a8c0@succubus> <818337B8-C55A-4ED1-B6B0-7BFBFB8FF9E3@blueyonder.co.uk> <20070919172118.dbkvop7lnowwg804@69.89.21.76> <70939960-498A-445F-9D14-C75D89D81747@blueyonder.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <70939960-498A-445F-9D14-C75D89D81747@blueyonder.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <12EQ7D.A.OhC.cJ_8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74750 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Quoting The woodshed : > > This did occur to me, It is strange how the RC can only use a measure > as its quantize ref. I suppose it could work if the place measure was > only a 16th note long. > Except that the RC-50 cannot create a loop shorter than one second long. The RC-50 isn't adept at syncing up to external devices and I used it =20 as an example rather than a recommendation for your application. I have an Aries Modular synth and I want to dealve into syncing it, my =20 DAW, and Looperlative together. I anticpate that this will be for =20 studio work only, as my Aries is too bulky to haul around (in the "old =20 days" I had it configured in seperate cabinets so that I could grab an =20 11-module cabinet and a keyboard to play out). You might want to check out electro-music.com ... there are lots of =20 modular synth folks, diy people, etc on the site. About half the =20 members reside in Europe and there is a large following for Doepfer =20 equipment on the site. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 16:39:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A260D3BF80; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070921113916.colqu5o7y8wc0gsc@69.89.21.76> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:39:16 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report References: <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74751 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > with 8 users, the Looperlative has finally moved into the > statistically relevant region, and with an average rating of 100% (!) moved > to the top, still followed by the EDP (89%) and the Repeater (80%). > fyi -- though I just acquired an Looperlative, I haven't had a chance to really delve into it. Since I am not currently performing with it I didn't list in in the survey. I have high expectations for the Looperlative, though. :) -- Kevin From madisanga09@hotmail.fr Fri Sep 21 16:46:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 721 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:46:23 UTC Received: from bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.218]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4278D3BF7A for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BAY108-W6 ([65.54.162.106]) by bay0-omc3-s18.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:34:19 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e59e5d5f-3fbc-41fe-bf32-d0a350242958_" X-Originating-IP: [41.208.172.102] Reply-To: From: madi sanga Subject: Your kind attention needed. 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    Discover the new Windows Vi= sta Learn more! = --_e59e5d5f-3fbc-41fe-bf32-d0a350242958_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 17:19:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 323153BF76; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F3FD20.9030708@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:19:28 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Y2K7 WEBSITE References: <20070921135950.3BFA53BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070921135950.3BFA53BF66@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74752 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:19:44 +0000 (UTC) Ha, Per, I know you couldn't stay away! I'm glad to hear that. I can't wait for this...so many countries and people, really awesome. I'm a pretty poor representative for Latin America being that my blood is 100% honky, but I will do my best to celebrate the southern side of the North American continent. Anyone else showing up/playing from Mexico, or further south? Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > and we will have a special treat, a return of last year's > headliner, Per Boysen from Sweden. > > Add to that, returns by festival favorites Bill Walker, LOOP > STATION!, Genie, Carl Weinberg, Barry Cleveland, Gary Regina, > Michael Klobuchar and a cast of dozens...........it's going to rock > and roll!!!!!!! From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 17:31:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A33243BF7A; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F40E6D.8090206@imt.net> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:33:17 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <_u4StB.A.BFF.Z__8GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74753 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:31:05 +0000 (UTC) Exactly, and another tip for those using multiple mics..preamps like some of the Aphex ones have mute switch inputs. For the Todd Green setup we incorporated those in a row under the rest of his controls so he can mute/unmute easily with his toes from that controller. rs@moinlabs.de wrote: >Hi Chris, > >yes, you are right, this is a common problem, and Per already said a lot about this topic, to which I only can agree. Perhaps a few other notes (some of which actually overlap with Per's suggestions). > >1. Mind the geometrical arrangement of your setup. Chances are that when using a guitar amp onstage, the amp is situated behind you, which makes it bleed into your microphone. >Have any speakers directed at the audience and stand in front of you. If you are in need of actual monitoring, use headphones, and to be completely safe here, make that either closed ones (might compromise your stage outfit) or inears. > >2. Optimize the use of the microphone. If you use a handheld microphone, looking for a variant which is especially resistant to feedback (e.g. by providing a hypercardioid polar pattern like the Beyer M88). And when holding the microphone in your hands, make sure not to obstruct the "rear entrance" which would compromise the polar pattern and thus increase feedback. > >3. Optimize your signal chain. A parametric EQ might work wonders here, as you would be able to selectively address the feedback frequencies. Also, the use of a dynamic processor (compressor/gate) would help to bring forward your wanted signal more (thus reducing necessary overall loop gain in your setup) and at the same time mute the signal when you're not playing/singing. > >4. Dependant on the effects you're using, moving something behind the looper could also help a little, especially if you're using very radical resonant filters or similar. Of course, you have decide whether that works for what you want to accomplish musically. > > >All the best, > > Rainer > >----- original Nachricht -------- > >Betreff: problem w/live looping using mic >Gesendet: Fr, 21. Sep 2007 >Von: Chris D'Errico > > > >>Greetings all... >> >>I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, but I have already run into >>a problem that I'm hoping someone could help me with: >> >>When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, or guitar >>amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the PA/amp & starts to >>record itself recording loops-- sort of like a "mirror looking into a >>mirror" effect... At low volume it's not much of a problem, but at the >>higher volume necessary to push the sound out to an audience in a decent >>size room, I can't stop the sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the >>mic. It gets worse the more layers I try to add to the loop, with the live >>mic rerecording the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitched >>feedback sound that destroys the process & performance. I never use monitors >>because that just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up also. >> >>Other singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with this >>problem, it's got be very common. Is there any possible way to counter this? >>Any ideas on a workable set-up? >> >>I use an old Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals into an Akai Headrush loop >>pedal & out to an old tube amp which has a line-out that I run into the PA >>system when needed. >> >>Thanks for your time & attention, >> >>Chris D. >>Las Vegas, Nevada >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger >>Café. >>http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline >> >> >> > >--- original Nachricht Ende ---- > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 18:06:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 00D873BF7C; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <03a201c7fc7a$2d897020$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <005601c7fbdf$9750c440$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Y2K7 WEBSITE Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:06:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74754 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 18:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Okay, I think I've caught up with you, Rick. All on the site now. Kris ----- Original Message ----- > Hi everybody, > > Rick Walker here with an apology about the lateness of date in getting > info about the Y2K7 International Live Looping Festival > > I just wanted to let everyone know that because of several events outside > of my control > I'm getting a much later start on the final scheduling for the Y2K7 > Looping Festival > than I intended. [cut] From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:16:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4810E3BF6A; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.108.90.89] From: Chris D'Errico To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:16:37 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <9FE550EE-9ED6-466A-A9AB-24A40C8B1006@gmail.com> References: <9FE550EE-9ED6-466A-A9AB-24A40C8B1006@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 19:16:36.0911 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE1C83F0:01C7FC83] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74755 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) > Well, sometimes I also set up my system to automatically lower the> feedb= ack just a bit as I'm overdubbing or substituting. This can be> achieved wi= th the Gibson Echoplex looping device=20 Thanks for the advice, Per. I actually use a volume control on my microphon= e, so that helps alot, makes it very easy to turn down or off the mic so it= does not stay on when not needed. I'll have to check into the Gibson Echop= lex-- more complicated & expensive than the Headrush, but more versatile. Thanks again for your help, Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada =20 _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. 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From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:34:59 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 09/21/2007 02:35:02 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74757 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:35:19 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 09/21/2007 and will not return until 10/01/2007. For telecom issues contact Greg Bouffard at 323 932 3793. For Genesys, Video or Audio Conferencing Contact Andrew James at 847 330-8713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:37:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8D723BF64; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Subject: RE: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 14:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: <754FACAF985AF346A216CAE674CA22A602D813@es002.WSI-MAIN.COM> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. Thread-Index: Acf8ho1O3YZsDhNnQduPjMuXNaBukQAAFf0g From: "Jim Bailey" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74758 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:37:56 +0000 (UTC) 0.o -----Original Message----- From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com [mailto:peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:35 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 09/21/2007 and will not return = until 10/01/2007. For telecom issues contact Greg Bouffard at 323 932 3793. For Genesys, Video or Audio Conferencing Contact Andrew James at 847 330-8713 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:39:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B4F323BF81; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.108.90.89] From: Chris D'Errico To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:39:54 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 19:39:55.0133 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F8442D0:01C7FC87] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74759 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:39:57 +0000 (UTC) > Consider putting the loop playback in your monitor and the mic signal> 18= 0 degrees out of phase.>> TH=20 Now that sounds interesting, but-- please excuse me, I'm a novice at this s= tuff-- how would I put the mic out of phase?=20 I know a little about phase cancellation w/mics during recording & I though= t that this might be an issue that relates to my problem, too. I remember r= eading about the Grateful Dead's "Wall of Sound" stage PA system in the ear= ly 70's-- they would tape 2 mics together on the stand to sing through, 1 o= ut of phase with the other (how they did that, as I said, I plead ignorance= ) & that cut down on the feedback & the washed out sound they would get wit= h the mic picking up the sound of itself from the massive column of speaker= s they used. Don't know if this is truly relevant to my issue, though. I have a mic preamp (ART Tube MP) that I don't use, but it has a phase reve= rse option, maybe I could run my mic into that & then into my amp/PA. Anyway, thanks for the good advice,=20 Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada=20 _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?=A0 Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=3Dseek_wlmailtextlink= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:44:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C34EC3BF69; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nOiD7bYIWW29M+CetK8gHJb4thhxoJ/xLsC6a/LpfpY=; b=ZPBQLa82BtB3eqz6cndiQD+D8wRhNH9+j3umtNJlqaub404Vg2SW2gqOX144ZoR4ksrur+UTD/VfXCCiTbwgT0/0oKtCsxY0eQNFuwWoBsCc+HkKM1LdOSnu73w8Np06j1BsOGpyn29CmlGk0BpqhhwIxpZlYhtFpXiH2JLUuPM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=LjRtpuOK/RCLioZQ9QeoS9LiiKanWmcLfBN/tplFQJwan4o7lSutFc1sAacfA7PB2ia0dsEaVWeDKsaImnKVLbjO8UqckYfkgRFwPNoz5kXOSGEGpWrA3HIT/uiP1GsyRwMuWeWwpmy6mozTgceDa2F8fvzqa3sLSdkmg5roajo= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:44:14 -0700 From: "Travis Hartnett" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74760 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:44:15 +0000 (UTC) Yes--if you have preamp your mic is feeding which has a phase reverse, try activating that. TH On 9/21/07, Chris D'Errico wrote: > Don't know if this is truly relevant to my issue, though. > > I have a mic preamp (ART Tube MP) that I don't use, but it has a phase reverse option, maybe I could run my mic into that & then into my amp/PA. > > Anyway, thanks for the good advice, > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 19:44:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A1EC03BF93; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:44:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.108.90.89] From: Chris D'Errico To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:44:31 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Sep 2007 19:44:32.0465 (UTC) FILETIME=[D4D1C410:01C7FC87] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74761 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:44:33 +0000 (UTC) 1. Mind the geometrical arrangement of your setup. 2. Optimize the use of t= he microphone. > 3. Optimize your signal chain.> 4. Dependant on the effect= s you're using, moving something behind the looper could also help a little= , especially if you're using very radical resonant filters or similar.> All= the best,>> Rainer>=20 Some excellent advice, lots to consider, thanks! Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM&loc=3Dus= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:29:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D24043BF4E; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:29:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Subject: Leinhos, Peter is out of the office. From: peter.leinhos@farmersinsurance.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 15:28:59 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on hons_100/Servers/FarmersInsurance(Release 6.5.2|June 01, 2004) at 09/21/2007 03:29:01 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Resent-Message-ID: <5OhcfD.A.aUF.lmC9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74762 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:29:25 +0000 (UTC) I will be out of the office starting 09/21/2007 and will not return until 10/01/2007. For telecom issues contact Greg Bouffard at 323 932 3793. 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    ------=_Part_32629_33263686.1190407298792-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 20:56:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BC96D3BF9C; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c601c7fc91$e0eb8f60$5a01a8c0@mark> From: "markfrancombe.com" To: "loopers-Delight" Subject: I need a ride to ricks gg, from SF Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:56:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C7FCA2.A45A20A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <2u8G1C.A.LWG.HAD9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74764 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:39 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C7FCA2.A45A20A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For some reason ve been unable to post to the list for a whle, and all my p= leas for a lft to Ricks gg didnt seem to get thru... now Im flying tonight,= and its all to late... anyway.. heres orignale mail (after a hefty unsubscribing ans re subscrbng = with various email acconts.. hope ths gets thru... fingers crossed!!) -------------------------------- If there are any loopers making the drive from San Fran, on Saturday to Ben= Lomond, for Rick Walker @ Woodstockhausen, then can I grab a lift=3F=3F=3F (the= re and back=3F=3F) I will be seriously unpleasant in the car, having just arriv= ed a few hours earlier from Norway... however, Im not gonna sit and drink s= odding weak beer in the hotel bar with my Boss and =22The Customer=22, knowing = that the Lime Green Godfather of Loopage, is but an hour and a half away!!!= NO goddammt.. I SAY NO!!!! It may be that I can change my car hire booking to a day earlier, in which = case , I will drive (although this may not seem wise) those requiring a lif= t can send welcoming gifts of stong coffee, Speed and those little pills tr= uck drivers use... to The Bijou Hotel, Mason St SF. Call me sat afternoon if you can help!!! +47 98296008 (Christ! Im posting m= y number, that how desperate I am!!!) no seriously.. anyone going=3F=3F M mark francombe marks website is at www.markfrancombe.com He writes for www.furthernoise.org and works at www.transformlearning.com Buy great Norwegian weirdness from... www.looop.no i Tunes: BUY MY MUSIC AT http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewArtist=3Fid=3D184310747 thank-you -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 14153 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C7FCA2.A45A20A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    ------=_NextPart_000_00C3_01C7FCA2.A45A20A0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 21 21:12:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48AC3BF8D; Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <380-220079521211244317@M2W014.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 Reply-To: qua@oregon.com X-Originating-IP: 134.134.136.4 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "qua@oregon.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:12:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: realtime stereo to surround Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74765 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:12:50 +0000 (UTC) Are there VSTs that convert live stereo (or mono) into 5=2E1 surround (or discrete multi-channels)=3F I know the Eventide H8000 does this in hardwa= re by means of distributing the original signal across the surround channels,= applying EQ , etc =2E And I'm sure this could be programmed in Max/MSP,= but was wondering if there was an 'off the shelf' software product=2E -Qua -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web=2Ecom =96 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you=3F http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/Business/SharePoint From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 00:30:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 349343BF66; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--487037070 Message-Id: <48526CB8-8835-4A06-9598-D9233C8E2FEE@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:30:43 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74766 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:30:47 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-4--487037070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed this is my #1 problem onstage when looping on cello. i deal with it by: 1) being very specific in my stage plot about how i am positioned =20 relative to the speakers. no speakers should be pointing at me and i =20 try to be positioned at least 6 feet behind the nearest PA speakers. =20 i.e. the back of the stage! some venues (dance clubs) have speakers =20 pointing towards the stage, i get them to turn those off for my =20 performance. and setups where the PA is angled and the stage falls in =20= the sound arc. i won't play those stages anymore. 2) related to that, if using an amplifier, set it in front of you and =20= do your looping behind it. 3) don't do looping while on top of a subwoofer. often they are =20 underneath the stage. find out where they are and move away from them. 4) certain kinds of microphones are worse than others. make sure your =20= mic is directional and is not picking up sound behind it. 5) before soundcheck explain the technicalities of what you're doing =20 to the soundperson. there is a physical limit to how loud i can go =20 before sonic chaos ensues. i work with the soundperson to find this =20 threshold during soundcheck so they can experience it. 6) in ear monitors. On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:29 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: > > Greetings all... > > I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, but I have already =20= > run into a problem that I'm hoping someone could help me with: > > When looping vocals/harmonica in live performance-- through a PA, =20 > or guitar amp, or both-- the microphone picks up the sound of the =20 > PA/amp & starts to record itself recording loops-- sort of like a =20 > "mirror looking into a mirror" effect... At low volume it's not =20 > much of a problem, but at the higher volume necessary to push the =20 > sound out to an audience in a decent size room, I can't stop the =20 > sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. It gets worse the =20= > more layers I try to add to the loop, with the live mic rerecording =20= > the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitched =20 > feedback sound that destroys the process & performance. I never use =20= > monitors because that just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up =20 > also. > > Other singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with =20= > this problem, it's got be very common. Is there any possible way to =20= > counter this? Any ideas on a workable set-up? > > I use an old Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals into an Akai =20 > Headrush loop pedal & out to an old tube amp which has a line-out =20 > that I run into the PA system when needed. > > Thanks for your time & attention, > > Chris D. > Las Vegas, Nevada > _________________________________________________________________ > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the =20 > Messenger Caf=E9. > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline --=20 Zo=EB Keating Avant Cellist & Composer Contact info: Telephone: 707.827.3217 Mobile: 415.867.5292 cello@zoekeating.com http://www.zoekeating.com http://www.myspace.com/zoecello Snail Mail: Zo=EB Keating PO Box 175 Camp Meeker, CA 95419, USA --Apple-Mail-4--487037070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 this is my #1 problem onstage = when looping on cello. i deal with it by:

    1) being very specific in = my stage plot about how i am positioned relative to the speakers. no = speakers should be pointing at me and i try to be positioned at least 6 = feet behind the nearest PA speakers. i.e. the back of the stage! some = venues (dance clubs) have speakers pointing towards the stage, i get = them to turn those off for my performance. and=A0setups where the PA is = angled and the stage falls in the sound arc. i won't play=A0 those = stages anymore.

    2) related to that, if = using an amplifier, set it in front of you and do your looping behind = it.

    3) don't = do looping while on top of a subwoofer. often they are underneath the = stage. find out where they are and move away from them.

    4) certain kinds of = microphones are worse than others. make sure your mic is directional and = is not picking up sound behind it.

    5) before soundcheck = explain the technicalities of what you're doing to the soundperson. = there is a physical limit to how loud i can go before sonic chaos = ensues. i work with the soundperson to find this threshold during = soundcheck so they can experience it.

    6) in ear = monitors.


    On Sep 21, = 2007, at 12:29 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote:


    I'm new to this list, & to = the world of looping, but I have already run into a problem that I'm = hoping someone could help me with:

    When looping vocals/harmonica in = live performance-- through a PA, or guitar amp, or both-- the microphone = picks up the sound of the PA/amp & starts to record itself recording = loops-- sort of like a "mirror looking into a mirror" effect... At low = volume it's not much of a problem, but at the higher volume necessary to = push the sound out to an audience in a decent size room, I can't stop = the sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. It gets worse the = more layers I try to add to the loop, with the live mic rerecording the = sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, high pitched feedback sound = that destroys the process & performance. I never use monitors = because that just makes it worse-- the mic picks that up also.

    Other = singers out there who create live loops must be familiar with this = problem, it's got be very common. Is there any possible way to counter = this? Any ideas on a workable set-up?

    I use an old = Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals into an Akai Headrush loop pedal = & out to an old tube amp which has a line-out that I run into the PA = system when needed.=A0

    Thanks for = your time & attention,

    Chris D.
    Las Vegas, Nevada=A0
    Kick back and relax with hot games and cool = activities at the Messenger Caf=E9.
    =

    --=A0
    Zo=EB = Keating
    Avant Cellist & = Composer

    Contact info:

    Telephone: = 707.827.3217
    Mobile: 415.867.5292

    http://www.myspace.com/zoecello




    =

    = --Apple-Mail-4--487037070-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 00:44:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4C79E3BF70; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:44:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:44:37 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74767 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:44:40 +0000 (UTC) oh...i forgot something.... i separate out my live sound from the looped sound and send the house 3 inputs (loops L&R, and the cello). this allows them to turn your live sound up, without turning up the loops and vice versa. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 00:56:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 117563BF16; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:56:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_3da55d4d-cf83-4ecd-a4d2-7843021ae437_" X-Originating-IP: [206.223.204.98] From: aaron leese To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 20:56:58 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2007 00:56:57.0790 (UTC) FILETIME=[79E75DE0:01C7FCB3] Resent-Message-ID: <6zNT2C.A.0JF.ahG9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74768 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 00:56:59 +0000 (UTC) --_3da55d4d-cf83-4ecd-a4d2-7843021ae437_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 It is also very useful to seperate the audio streams that you may be loopin= g .... =20 so that if you need to loop a guitar/cello, the mic input is not bleeding i= when you record the instrument. This way you only need to worry about fee= dback when you are actually planning to loop a vocal part. =20 If you don't have a looper with multiple inputs, you can always use a mixer= and just turn that input on/off ..... which is what keller williams and so= me of the other big name loopers do. =20 > From: cello@zoekeating.com> Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic= > Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 17:44:37 -0700> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-deligh= t.com> > oh...i forgot something....> > i separate out my live sound from t= he looped sound and send the house > 3 inputs (loops L&R, and the cello). t= his allows them to turn your > live sound up, without turning up the loops = and vice versa.>=20 _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= --_3da55d4d-cf83-4ecd-a4d2-7843021ae437_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable  
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    Oops, forgot the most important = part.,

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    Thanks

    Bill

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    Sent: Friday, September = 21, 2007 7:13 PM
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    Subject: OT for guitar = eyes only.....Servo controlled tuning system

     

    Hey do any of you kind guitar loopers in Germany have any Idea what = this system costs? I want something like this so badly, it makes my toes = curl, but I assume its really expensive.

    Thanks

    Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C7FC84.003DC800-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 03:30:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE0E13BF5C; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013801c7fcc8$f9acab10$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> From: "Dave O'Heare" To: , References: <200709220217.l8M2H1fD067575@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: OT for guitar eyes only.....Servo controlled tuning system Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:30:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0134_01C7FCA7.7229F9C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000775-3, 19/09/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74771 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:30:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C7FCA7.7229F9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From the website (weird to navigate): http://www.music-king.com/modules/shop/index.php?location_id=46 For a Strat it'll set you back 900 Euros (around US$1300). Dave O'H oheareATmagmaDOTca ----- Original Message ----- From: William Walker To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: FW: OT for guitar eyes only.....Servo controlled tuning system Oops, forgot the most important part., http://www.tronical.com/ Is the website and they make no mention of pricing, only dealer network in Germany. Thanks Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: William Walker [mailto:billwalker@baymoon.com] Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:13 PM To: 'Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com' Subject: OT for guitar eyes only.....Servo controlled tuning system Hey do any of you kind guitar loopers in Germany have any Idea what this system costs? I want something like this so badly, it makes my toes curl, but I assume its really expensive. Thanks Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0134_01C7FCA7.7229F9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    From the website (weird to = navigate):
     
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    For a Strat it'll set you back 900 Euros (around = US$1300).
     
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 06:02:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 63E3C3BF64; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=gz+MqopEIPsiEQBa8kVW3W5LdY4BdTI6DcDO7eTdIySoePPTGE0SSYq1ycW/M6SP; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:X-MimeOLE:Message-ID:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; From: "ejyuhas" To: Subject: Last-minute!! Gig Spam---Peter Biedermann & White Light - Live @ The Monkey (NYC) - Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:04:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7FCBC.ECF88670" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcfnAoFip/U9NDX8S6KZ515EMqvxEAA/jIlwBTdicyA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Message-ID: X-ELNK-Trace: 22b7a950aa3e6c4dd780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc00792f38f804b3b2c8c699469b761d0b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 65.41.244.102 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74773 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:02:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7FCBC.ECF88670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tonight in NYC!!!!!!! An FYI to the NYC-area looping community.great performers, and Dominic's beautiful new venue!!!!!!! White Light is: Peter Biedermann: Acoustic and electric guitars, lap steel, loops Jim Stagnitto: Trumpet, cornet, laptop, loops, processing Steve Meltzer: Drums, percussion, Roland HandSonic, loops See you there! Ed in NJ We are thrilled to be invited back for the second time this year to perform at Dominic Frasca's beautiful new expanded venue he calls The Monkey. A more musician friendly facility...with state of the art sound...does not exist anywhere in NYC. This will take place on... SATURDAY - SEPTEMBER 22 @ 8:00 pm THE MONKEY 37 West 26th Street - 12th Floor (Between Broadway & 6th) New York City 10010 Tickets are $15 and should be purchased online via the following link: http://monkeywest.com/calendar.html The price also includes wine & hors d'oeuvre's prior to the show @ around 6:00 pm... Thank you for your support... Peter http://www.peterbiedermann.com/ http://www.homegrownradionj.com/ "Sound In The Head" internet radio show - Wednesday's 9:00 pm - midnight ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7FCBC.ECF88670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C7FCBC.ECF88670-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 08:12:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E37AA3BF57; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:12:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:08:44 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to the AM/FM Show To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46F4CD8C.7050105@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74774 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:12:31 +0000 (UTC) THE AM/FM SHOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/amfm ======================================================================= My next stint on the AM/FM Show will be Saturday, September 22 at 6:00 am (EDT / GMT-4) which is less than two hours from now. I will continue the special on E-dition Electronic Music Magazine's sampler CDs. I will continue with issue 15 out of 16 so this special is drawing to a close soon. What's next? ;-) Tune in to WMUH Allentown at 91.7 FM, broadcasting from the campus of Muhlenberg College. I alternate hosting the show with Bruce. When I am at the helm, the show features electronic, ambient, and spacemusic at the beginning, an eclectic mix of genres in the middle, and winds up with Progressive Rock. WMUH's web site is http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 09:55:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D80463BF6D; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:55:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=C0Jfswj4K7c7FfvEo20uaYmz1lMRQG/21xngIvy3u+E88/gPFdQgDL7e6/x12CUPSriRhh2PhP3ebJXatpcGHt4eUsysWX2CSOUgnVtLoEp0W/8l2hD5+ZTUlVXjMcUsxM8OGtzW+jLu9Q75JikEzMsG+eClFn/lVxZCEU1upno=; X-YMail-OSG: vKADGPIVM1lHt81MAfzyhUL4eIJe3lqnTjqDza41bBChMDhgLI.910KxNAvDu5dqjPMy9D9tFjJyVPlHQdd3yJRWoAT4SJqOGB6rmudE3yyucPJYosk- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <48526CB8-8835-4A06-9598-D9233C8E2FEE@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <688883.59792.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74775 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:55:11 +0000 (UTC) great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors are u using or would recomend? Luis --- Zoe Keating wrote: > this is my #1 problem onstage when looping on cello. > i deal with it by: > > 1) being very specific in my stage plot about how i > am positioned > relative to the speakers. no speakers should be > pointing at me and i > try to be positioned at least 6 feet behind the > nearest PA speakers. > i.e. the back of the stage! some venues (dance > clubs) have speakers > pointing towards the stage, i get them to turn those > off for my > performance. and setups where the PA is angled and > the stage falls in > the sound arc. i won't play those stages anymore. > > 2) related to that, if using an amplifier, set it in > front of you and > do your looping behind it. > > 3) don't do looping while on top of a subwoofer. > often they are > underneath the stage. find out where they are and > move away from them. > > 4) certain kinds of microphones are worse than > others. make sure your > mic is directional and is not picking up sound > behind it. > > 5) before soundcheck explain the technicalities of > what you're doing > to the soundperson. there is a physical limit to how > loud i can go > before sonic chaos ensues. i work with the > soundperson to find this > threshold during soundcheck so they can experience > it. > > 6) in ear monitors. > > > On Sep 21, 2007, at 12:29 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: > > > > > Greetings all... > > > > I'm new to this list, & to the world of looping, > but I have already > > run into a problem that I'm hoping someone could > help me with: > > > > When looping vocals/harmonica in live > performance-- through a PA, > > or guitar amp, or both-- the microphone picks up > the sound of the > > PA/amp & starts to record itself recording loops-- > sort of like a > > "mirror looking into a mirror" effect... At low > volume it's not > > much of a problem, but at the higher volume > necessary to push the > > sound out to an audience in a decent size room, I > can't stop the > > sound from the PA/amp from bleeding into the mic. > It gets worse the > > more layers I try to add to the loop, with the > live mic rerecording > > the sound, it eventually causes a thin, tinny, > high pitched > > feedback sound that destroys the process & > performance. I never use > > monitors because that just makes it worse-- the > mic picks that up > > also. > > > > Other singers out there who create live loops must > be familiar with > > this problem, it's got be very common. Is there > any possible way to > > counter this? Any ideas on a workable set-up? > > > > I use an old Shure mic into a few stompbox pedals > into an Akai > > Headrush loop pedal & out to an old tube amp which > has a line-out > > that I run into the PA system when needed. > > > > Thanks for your time & attention, > > > > Chris D. > > Las Vegas, Nevada > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Kick back and relax with hot games and cool > activities at the > > Messenger Café. > > > http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline > > -- > Zoë Keating > Avant Cellist & Composer > > Contact info: > > Telephone: 707.827.3217 > Mobile: 415.867.5292 > > cello@zoekeating.com > http://www.zoekeating.com > http://www.myspace.com/zoecello > > Snail Mail: > Zoë Keating > PO Box 175 > Camp Meeker, CA 95419, USA > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 10:09:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2A8313BF6F; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=KX+PaywKgvKvrv5qWk+EXBBrFQofmha4HZnh+VivyP3fVA0TyeUUSPLinlRB6CaszzQ+xnP4t4QcD3nxjYuS72Y3ubWwQLN9mj6xpX9Ok6MY9Y81iwqWroqnK9x3eI5Og7d5RwTejh5IuO7Bzolw/7/JGaPGJ3vQJMp41i/Sfk0=; X-YMail-OSG: 8hyHQw0VM1k9yt7p5Qu3474DYJ4eGduaseCZvAOy.m6XFCLeVJptWJCBveuvPilToRfdBPQMvaWvWdbw99Ex.5bNiwZnIt6QB_azlihol._plrxd2WRtvPu.9XDwSQ-- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Y2K7 WEBSITE To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <46F3FD20.9030708@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <558797.21416.qm@web38605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74776 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:09:52 +0000 (UTC) Hey Daryl i will,but most likely for the y2k8! loop a big sombrero for me cheers Luis > the North American continent. Anyone else showing > up/playing from > Mexico, or further south? > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 10:26:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2059F3BF78; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:26:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 615197637-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.202.82 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAHqK9EZPQspS/2dsb2JhbACCKaN2 Message-ID: <46F4EDCA.8090300@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:26:18 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic References: <48526CB8-8835-4A06-9598-D9233C8E2FEE@zoekeating.com> In-Reply-To: <48526CB8-8835-4A06-9598-D9233C8E2FEE@zoekeating.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74777 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:26:15 +0000 (UTC) > 5) before soundcheck explain the technicalities of what you're doing to > the soundperson. :-) ...but be very-very-tactful From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 11:51:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80CFD3BF6D; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:51:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=TZfCOuhv0+qOB7/jt7MAm72wIkK2YH6lCTje2ejRtyLTR7a7QCq7Su+WCt0N6a6zN6dQWeD2MkWA71lPi6m668DyBmFbODOFj8JZECAQqzxR2Ze4X5NstYYidW04qYuE7vGsz7tmTv8qCCXJOaB3W3WqaDPv7uqYy+LBXbhNQj4=; X-YMail-OSG: KWAs2WcVM1mRLDNDWZla8Gzszy3BYDs.HTVw8wYLGpHY4m9jyGPnS_Fvw8B7KXcT_GTB0IxG0BV2clGZN2kOa8bN0g5tM.10o6LaUNo0yhxbT33jV6d4HzvNZtA3iw-- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: RE: realtime stereo to surround To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <004e01c7fcd3$67ab5850$370208f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <299210.81470.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <1vxRNB.A.JWC.fHQ9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74778 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:51:59 +0000 (UTC) That sounds like an awesome system extraordinaire!!! My friend and teacher Rick Turner may be able to help you with more specific design? R. Neve and him exchange neural transmissions on a regular basis. Rick had a huge hand in designing and building The Grateful Dead soundsystems and instruments he designed and built!!! I design and build custom guitars that represent countless challenging hours of commitment to my field, the art of luthiery. I sub out electronic work utilizing the elite high end pickups Seymour Duncan, Sunrise, EMG, etc. --- Qua Veda wrote: > I have a RME FF800 that has 8outputs. I have 5 identical cabinets plus a > sub. I use 5 outs to go to FrontL, FrontR, C, RearL, RearR. My Front L&R > have a special crossover for the sub, so they get full range, and the > crossover takes care of the split. > > I was able to get a DVD to play through the RME. After some trial and > error, I was able to get it to play through the correct speakers. Home and > computer surround processors use a special processor for splitting into 5.1 > , but I'm not using that. > > So now, I am very interested in experimenting with "normal" and "abnormal" > surround and spatial effects. I look forward to trying some of Per's and > Stephen's suggestions. But it will have to wait for awhile since my gear > is packed away due to remodeling. But I'm looking forward to some fun :-) > > -Qua > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 12:10:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 962533BF77; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: realtime stereo to surround Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 14:11:12 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002c01c7fd11$ab2e0620$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <299210.81470.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acf9DvtAKPLjVz4iTkaiC50II+Q7DwAAg4UQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId8ET6IQw== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <1_27UC.A._XD.JZQ9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74779 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:10:49 +0000 (UTC) > I have a RME FF800 that has 8outputs. I have 5 identical cabinets > plus a sub. I use 5 outs to go to FrontL, FrontR, C, RearL, RearR. My > Front L&R have a special crossover for the sub, so they get full > range, and the crossover takes care of the split. > > I was able to get a DVD to play through the RME. After some trial > and error, I was able to get it to play through the correct speakers. > Home and computer surround processors use a special processor for > splitting into 5.1 , but I'm not using that. I'd like to clear up a common misunderstanding with regard to Surround setups. As specified by Dolby, in Dolby Sourround setups, the channels specified before the dot are 20-20000 Hz channel used for "normal audio", while the channels behind the dot are 3-120 Hz (I think it was 120, but am not sure about this) "low frequency effect (LFE)" channels. That means that in a proper setup, the front and rear channels go all the way down for music applications while the .1 channel is only used for airplanes starting, cars exploding, death stars detonating etc. Depending on your speaker setup, it might actually make sense to feed a part of their signal to the sub as well. But playing back DVD audio (coded as 5.1) and having it go to the correct speakers would mean connecting all six speakers to your Fireface. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 12:15:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 96D823BF88; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000601c7fd12$370bfe40$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <299210.81470.qm@web34209.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: realtime stereo to surround Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:15:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74780 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:15:26 +0000 (UTC) From: "Dan" > That sounds like an awesome system extraordinaire!!! My friend and > teacher Rick Turner may be > able to help you with more specific design? R. Neve and him exchange > neural transmissions on a > regular basis. Rick had a huge hand in designing and building The > Grateful Dead soundsystems and > instruments he designed and built!!! I design and build custom guitars > that represent countless > challenging hours of commitment to my field, the art of luthiery. I sub > out electronic work > utilizing the elite high end pickups Seymour Duncan, Sunrise, EMG, etc. > --- Qua Veda wrote: > >> I have a RME FF800 that has 8outputs. I have 5 identical cabinets plus a >> sub. I use 5 outs to go to FrontL, FrontR, C, RearL, RearR. My Front L&R >> have a special crossover for the sub, so they get full range, and the >> crossover takes care of the split. >> >> I was able to get a DVD to play through the RME. After some trial and >> error, I was able to get it to play through the correct speakers. Home >> and >> computer surround processors use a special processor for splitting into >> 5.1 >> , but I'm not using that. >> >> So now, I am very interested in experimenting with "normal" and >> "abnormal" >> surround and spatial effects. I look forward to trying some of Per's and >> Stephen's suggestions. But it will have to wait for awhile since my >> gear >> is packed away due to remodeling. But I'm looking forward to some fun >> :-) Well, this has knocked loose some previously-unknown bits from the deep! I stared sniffing up surround processing and remembered [d-oh!] an experiment with an old track ("Fever Dream") to remix for surround, using Microsoft's WAVAVIMUX tool - it combines the separate channel wav files and an avi video (optional) into something that can be played through or on a surround system etc. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/howto/articles/creating71audio.aspx I recall that one of the wonderful things about surround was a bit like dolby: if it's already encoded into the audio stream, you don't have to do anything special to decode for listening. (For instance, duplicating a dolby-encoded tape: one turns the dolby off for the tape-to-tape and it remains encoded appropriately. How many of us didn't do this in the beginning, I wonder?) So I'm going to mess about with the output from the vsts I posted links to earlier, and see if I can exploit the record monitor for "What you hear" in order to see if a CD-R encoded using this sounds different than a CD-R of the same piece (before segregation-encoding) when played on a DVD player with surround. I'm cheap, part-Scottish, and don't ignore these little things when they pop up - and can't resist the idea of presenting a method for surround recording that doesn't require you to spend a year's salary on a DolbyTM or THXTM system. S. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 13:22:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4DFB73BF4E; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:18:32 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for September 22, 2007 To: Kathleen Monahan , Musik International , Peter Koniuto , Paul Bryan , Canyon Records , Randall Frazier Massive Music America , Loopers Delight Mailing List , Daniel Pipitone , Jeff Kowal , Eric Corbin , Fossil Records , Magna Carta Records , "Simon Apple [Jeff]" , Progrock Records , "UNICORN DIGITAL Inc." , Matti Kervinen , Chip Schutzman , Joe , Brett Kull Message-id: <46F51628.4030700@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74781 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) http://soundscapes.us/amfm/playlists/2007/070922.html The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts. When I am at the helm, expect to hear electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. Show #117 September 22, 2007. Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== VA [Klangwaelt] Okzident E-dition #15 (Groove) VA [Steve Roach] Holding the Pearl E-dition #15 (Groove) VA [Gert Emmens] The Warlock Return E-dition #15 (Groove) Nattefrost A Different View On Underneath the Nightsky Jupiter (Groove) Galactic Anthems Europa Mission Subterranean Transit (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Kitaro Crystal Winds Sacred Journey of KuKai (Domo) Byron Metcalf Earth Om - Sacred A Warning from the Elders Resonance (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== The Flower Kings The Sum of No Reason The Sum of No Evil (InsideOut) Ritual A Dangerous Journey The Hemulic Voluntary Band (InsideOut) * = excerpt ++ = Advanced CDR from artist VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show on October 6. On the next show, I will continue the special on the sampler CDs that come with each issue of E-dition electronic music magazine. Bill ====================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show every other Saturday at 6:00 am EDT (GMT-4:00). Phase 1: Electronic, ambient, and space music to bring you back from "Beyond the Barriers." Phase 2: Mixed bag of acoustic, electric, pop, or New Age. Phase 3: Progressive rock from past masters to contemporary releases. Web Site - http://soundscapes.us/amfm Listen to WMUH Allentown locally at 91.7 FM or on-line at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml ====================================================================== The progdj list is the central clearing house for radio playlists of Progressive Rock programs. Tired of joining dozens of mailing lists to post playlists or track airplay? The progdj list solves that problem. The progdj list is the place to go in order to see playlists and CD and concert reviews by DJs of progressive rock-friendly radio programs. Anyone interested in seeing playlists can join. There is NO SPAM because I keep the spammers out before the members ever see any hint of it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 16:12:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C12893BF8D; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 12:14:12 -0400 From: "David Kirkdorffer" Subject: Re: Looping Survey - status report To: Message-id: <000801c7fd33$9d5fa900$dcb85548@hppav> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001501c7fc63$0f6c34e0$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: <96IyRD.A.bc._7T9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74782 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Survey taken. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 16:52:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E94143BF9A; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:52:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [68.108.90.89] From: Chris D'Errico To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 09:52:38 -0700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2007 16:52:39.0983 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC83A3F0:01C7FD38] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74783 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:52:40 +0000 (UTC) > i separate out my live sound from the looped sound and send the house> 3 = inputs (loops L&R, and the cello). this allows them to turn your> live soun= d up, without turning up the loops and vice versa.> Thanks for your input, Zoe-- all good points. I'm not sure how I'd separate= the sound in my case, though. My set-up is rather simple (which is good fo= r me!): I use one single mike to sing live through & to do loops through. N= o house mic (PA mic), & so the sound is all mixed together into one channel= . That also helps to prevent feedback-- no other live mic hanging out there= in front of me. Also my looper is a simple one (Akai Headrush), don't know= how I'd separate the sound with that. But I guess the bottom line is that = I need to do whatever possible to make sure the least amount of sound leaks= into my mic during loop recording. Unfortunately, that can be a very diffi= cult task. By the way, I checked out your website & you're amazing.=20 My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a humble undertaking consi= dering your accomplishments. =20 Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever =96 Get MORE with Windows Live=99= Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_5G_0907= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 17:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4787C3BF99; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 10:12:03 -0700 Message-ID: <005f01c7fd3b$b2659cd0$1730d670$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 thread-index: Acf9OlF2lwv+hSsgTKShag99fjWwMwAASn5w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D4ec70bee00002ae9.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <1aVXPC.A.C_D.9yU9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74784 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:11:26 +0000 (UTC) What about a headworn mic? They are not inexpensive, but it places the mic along your cheek, very close to your mouth and I believe they are unidirectional and would be an excellent way to get consistent voice quality and reduce the possibility of bleed through. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Chris D'Errico [mailto:clderrico@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:53 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic > i separate out my live sound from the looped sound and send the house> 3 inputs (loops L&R, and the cello). this allows them to turn your> live sound up, without turning up the loops and vice versa.> Thanks for your input, Zoe-- all good points. I'm not sure how I'd separate the sound in my case, though. My set-up is rather simple (which is good for me!): I use one single mike to sing live through & to do loops through. No house mic (PA mic), & so the sound is all mixed together into one channel. That also helps to prevent feedback-- no other live mic hanging out there in front of me. Also my looper is a simple one (Akai Headrush), don't know how I'd separate the sound with that. But I guess the bottom line is that I need to do whatever possible to make sure the least amount of sound leaks into my mic during loop recording. Unfortunately, that can be a very difficult task. By the way, I checked out your website & you're amazing. My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a humble undertaking considering your accomplishments. Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever - Get MORE with Windows LiveT HotmailR. NOW with 5GB storage. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migratio n_HM_mini_5G_0907 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 18:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 25EFF3BF9A; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070922130356.poaywdsf4ggsgwsk@69.89.21.76> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:03:56 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: realtime stereo to surround References: <380-220079521211244317@M2W014.mail2web.com> <004e01c7fcd3$67ab5850$370208f0$@com> In-Reply-To: <004e01c7fcd3$67ab5850$370208f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74785 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Qua Veda : > > I have a RME FF800 that has 8outputs. I have 5 identical cabinets plus a > sub. I use 5 outs to go to FrontL, FrontR, C, RearL, RearR. My Front L&R > have a special crossover for the sub, so they get full range, and the > crossover takes care of the split. > Qua, You have described my system -- RME FF800, 5 SRM450s, and two =20 SWA1501s. The only difference is that I've opted to address the subs =20 discretely. To date, I have sent the same signal to both subs however =20 I would like to do some work where I address them seperately. I've =20 limited myself to 5.1 because my Cubase SX3 mixer has an internal 5.1 =20 buss. I can do 5.2 by using a 5.0 buss and then a L-R or two mono =20 channels for the subs. I have been told that when using two subs that =20 one can get some remarkable phasing effects, etc. However, one of my =20 subs must go to the shop :( so it will be a while before I can play =20 with it. My approach is to mix everything to 5.1 from the start -- and then =20 fold that mix down to stereo. This is pretty easy with the FF800. =20 Thus, I can supply surround AND stereo mixes concurrently. To fold up from stereo to surround is tough compared to folding down. My K2600 has a MONO-to-Stereo algorithm -- it splits the mono signal =20 into frequency bands and then each band can be panned and/or delayed. =20 This produces a downright shocking amount of stereo realism. By way of example, you will find on my website a remix of a Bach work =20 that I did on my A3340s. The first three channels were submixed to =20 mono and then I added three more tracks and then another track live =20 for a total of seven. In the remix, I processed the mono track =20 through the K2600 (as described above). In the "old" days -- one =20 could easily hear when the mono track was the only one playing -- just =20 panned to the center. In the remix, one must listen pretty intently =20 to pick up the difference between the mono track and the discreet =20 stereo. http://kevinkissinger.com/downloads/music/BachDminorM03hi.mp3 To fold up stereo to surround, one could utilize a similar approach -- =20 that is, to split the stereo channels into frequency bands and then =20 pan/delay then to the various speakers. The key to the effect is =20 delay -- to pan only just gives the effect of "panned" mono but =20 careful application of delay makes all the difference. Well, I will hit -- there are other responses to this that I =20 haven't yet read and look forward to reading other comments. -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 18:40:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9FA343BEDC; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <688883.59792.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <688883.59792.qm@web38613.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--421671375 Message-Id: <7FBA6EDE-BE7B-49D8-92BD-F6F999C4E98B@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:40:09 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74786 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:40:12 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-8--421671375 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed my ears are by etymotic research. i love them. i don't bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down. just plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface. On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors > are u using or would recomend? > Luis --Apple-Mail-8--421671375 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII my ears are by etymotic research. i love them.
    i don't bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down.
    just plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface.


    On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote:

    great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors

    are u using or would recomend?

    Luis


    --Apple-Mail-8--421671375-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 18:47:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A8F63BFB5; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <200709211057.l8LAvmFs020757@post.webmailer.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--421237724 Message-Id: <4421DC83-AB3A-465D-82DB-05B5A94A98ED@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 11:47:23 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74787 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 18:47:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--421237724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed *blush* thank ye! hey, we all start somewhere. and even if music can only be "hobby", it is no less valid. my first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so nervous i could hardly hold the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on tuesday (but not looping alas...). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GHbuFlya4 On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: > By the way, I checked out your website & you're amazing. > > My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a humble > undertaking considering your accomplishments. --Apple-Mail-9--421237724 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 *blush* thank ye!

    hey, we all start = somewhere. and even if music can only be "hobby", it is no less = valid.

    my = first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so nervous i could hardly hold = the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on tuesday (but not looping = alas...).


    On = Sep 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote:

    By the way, I checked out = your website & you're amazing.=A0


    My latest = "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a humble undertaking considering = your accomplishments. =A0

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-9--421237724-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 20:01:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5BF523BF6C; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:01:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=NZDYl7rkv9HyUrT4K+yu7zlfRICelUROZAcQao9DhRk2MNZsBqP5qu3H37OfO3ND; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <4003816.1190491301908.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:01:41 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd480850ae8a84568e214fe02862e678a930548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74788 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:01:45 +0000 (UTC) those etymotix earpluggs are great for lowering the in ear db of music that uses massive volume also, i have found- http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx s >my ears are by etymotic research. i love them. >i don't bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down. >just plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface. > > >On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors >> are u using or would recomend? >> Luis > From alers@account-access.com Sat Sep 22 20:52:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 1451 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:52:57 UTC Received: from outbound7-sin-R.bigfish.com (outbound-sin.frontbridge.com [207.46.51.80]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C899C3BEF0 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:52:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from outbound7-sin.bigfish.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by outbound7-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F3451366C; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail199-sin-R.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.40.3]) by outbound7-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10B0134005E; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:28:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail199-sin (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail199-sin-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623781080352; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) X-BigFish: V X-MS-Exchange-Organization-Antispam-Report: OrigIP: 72.67.157.68;Service: EHS Received: by mail199-sin (MessageSwitch) id 1190492915125938_20319; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:28:35 +0000 (UCT) Received: from beringerassociates.com (static-72-67-157-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [72.67.157.68]) by mail199-sin.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3B09129805C; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from User ([24.168.197.64]) by beringerassociates.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:28:37 -0700 From: "PayPal" Subject: PayPal - Security Measures Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 16:27:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Sep 2007 20:28:37.0268 (UTC) FILETIME=[27A86D40:01C7FD57] To: undisclosed-recipients: ;

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 21:12:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2A623BF62; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=+m/rMKtaeE6C7ClAsREIF6+ztpji/IisRRoN4sED8/I=; b=DQLWD+kDa+YqIGY5hbwHRu+A7FatepLbYMdETXw2x9qeZV+Pd2TFAgO6V+HTa/lc36A3++GXHvNervWdr1rLRRmEdjeboOrv63VjvjyUAk+vkNpMinMLO0WsxoucqrzLlSAbqyE4lj55q9Bfs1lNLv4/gNSawqumV+usGYoh4Ls= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XRnDcc+Tv0kZoiZrQM6SjaFgYGpDiyo/vvPq4lkp/cJIRQqfZeM3V8Z05FVpdVdL86R7eswcdK+Z8wg/qBKgY14zu96ndxuNMKYWSc9nCzduaAs5+ww/KO+DiiZtS7UWn5rJ3F+vTLubj7T5A3oEldEJuID83jHTpEWZkb90LQI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <4003816.1190491301908.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4003816.1190491301908.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F17CE93-2D04-4076-9A5B-3D2B58BF9E48@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:12:53 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74789 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:12:59 +0000 (UTC) I've been using ear protection plugs that were modeled in silicon after my ears. They have a straight frequency curve and can be used with different filters. I use the -15dB filters. Drummers are recommended to arm them with -20dB. Here's a similar product: http://www.audiorelief.co.uk/shop/product_info.php? products_id=133&osCsid=631b4c311456a3204af39eca60a54f63 I know this thread was originally about feedback on stage, but since it changed into "earplugs" I thought I would post since I really like the personalized ones I have. BTW, you can use them inside all covering headphones and crank them way up without going deaf. Handy for some band situations ;-) per On 22 sep 2007, at 22.01, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > those etymotix earpluggs are great for lowering the in ear db of > music that uses massive volume also, i have found- > http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx > s > > >> my ears are by etymotic research. i love them. >> i don't bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down. >> just plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface. >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors >>> are u using or would recomend? >>> Luis >> From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 22 21:37:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C28123BEDB; Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=QgZlxjW1kpSx6fTGy6Al4Qqt+/rPOtlFkCPF6XIW8CV311EhdEJ+LsgD95UY5g6z; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <17058820.1190497014696.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:36:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: realtime stereo to surround,etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e8b29b9ad2abf3e4f402879cecb40bd522c9ece5650a495b4c2a042afb2bd43d4bc974561559650f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.52 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74790 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:37:07 +0000 (UTC) I think this product probably wants to be looked at: http://im-research.com/products/plugins/ Along the lines of surround, at http://www.discwelder.com/ you'll see Discw= elder Bronze, a very afforable DVD-A authoring app. Don -----Original Message----- >From: "qua@oregon.com" >Sent: Sep 21, 2007 5:12 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: realtime stereo to surround > >Are there VSTs that convert live stereo (or mono) into 5.1 surround (or >discrete multi-channels)? I know the Eventide H8000 does this in hardware >by means of distributing the original signal across the surround channels, >applying EQ , etc . And I'm sure this could be programmed in Max/MSP, >but was wondering if there was an 'off the shelf' software product. > >-Qua > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web.com =E2=80=93 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 01:48:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DA8BD3BF35; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=Zo8mRMkKdStRepvpvPDOVUqprcKX6seyOzW4GGI6RLHXwbWhrrjjiI/Ld9NPq1Wz; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <18575963.1190512106607.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 21:48:26 -0400 (EDT) From: stanitarium@earthlink.net Reply-To: stanitarium@earthlink.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Zoe TV Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e4eaaa48e0468cfae77aa5cb369a9f3f9ef193a6bfc3dd484db2d4b69c664458498f79f7eb71a91e387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.45 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74791 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 01:48:29 +0000 (UTC) i remember that y2k gig you did-so, you were a stone repeater user right from the get, eh? it sounded good to me despite all... and does this 'paolo' guy talk like he sings? it sounds a little affected to me. s >my first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so nervous i could hardly >hold the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on tuesday (but not >looping alas...). >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GHbuFlya4 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 03:36:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D2D7E3BF24; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <17058820.1190497014696.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> In-Reply-To: <17058820.1190497014696.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Subject: RE: realtime stereo to surround,etc Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 20:37:23 -0700 Message-ID: <001401c7fd93$0e604b00$2b20e100$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf9YgN10XqKtrtOQUGeL4FR/dbSVwAMPmvw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: De1570b5f0000b8e7.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74792 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Don, the VSP products look very interesting -Qua -----Original Message----- From: donh@mindspring.com [mailto:donh@mindspring.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:37 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: realtime stereo to surround,etc I think this product probably wants to be looked at: http://im-research.com/products/plugins/ Along the lines of surround, at http://www.discwelder.com/ you'll see = Discwelder Bronze, a very afforable DVD-A authoring app. Don -----Original Message----- >From: "qua@oregon.com" >Sent: Sep 21, 2007 5:12 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: realtime stereo to surround > >Are there VSTs that convert live stereo (or mono) into 5.1 surround (or >discrete multi-channels)? I know the Eventide H8000 does this in = hardware >by means of distributing the original signal across the surround = channels, >applying EQ , etc . And I'm sure this could be programmed in = Max/MSP, >but was wondering if there was an 'off the shelf' software product. > >-Qua > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- >mail2web.com =E2=80=93 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for = you? >http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 04:48:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 12EB33BF49; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:48:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_06A2_01C7FD6A.B62BC130" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74793 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 04:48:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_06A2_01C7FD6A.B62BC130 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, this is definitely not OT...but it's also not the most serious of = topics either! This evening, I decided to give my 28 month old twin = (Tristan) his first shot at looping. I plugged an SM57 into my Boss = RC-2, and then into a cheap Epiphone battery powered amp with some = distortion. I hope you get a real kick out of this. I laughed my ass = off. I could only get so much out of him, because of the competing = balloons nearby and after a while he became bored of my simple setup. :) http://www.box.net/shared/h7nht52ce5 It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute of watching me = operate the RC-2, he had already figured out how to turn on the drum = guide beat and stop the loop, restart, etc. And of course, if you know = 2 year olds, after that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, but insisted = on being the one to control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically mess = things up. =20 And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was totally his own = doing. He's never seen that done...an experimenter at heart! =20 Kris *************************************************************************= * Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603=20 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_06A2_01C7FD6A.B62BC130 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Well, this is definitely not OT...but = it's also not=20 the most serious of topics either!  This evening, I decided to give = my 28=20 month old twin (Tristan) his first shot at looping. I plugged an = SM57 into=20 my Boss RC-2, and then into a cheap Epiphone battery powered amp with = some=20 distortion.  I hope you get a real kick out of this. I laughed my = ass off.=20 I could only get so much out of him, because of the competing balloons = nearby=20 and after a while he became bored of my simple setup. :)
     
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    It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. = After 1=20 minute of watching me operate the RC-2, he had already figured out how = to turn=20 on the drum guide beat and stop the loop, restart, etc.  And of = course, if=20 you know 2 year olds, after that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, but = insisted=20 on being the one to control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically=20 mess things up.  
     
    And then the whole feedback thing with = the mic was=20 totally his own doing. He's never seen that done...an experimenter at=20 heart! 
     
    Kris
     
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_06A2_01C7FD6A.B62BC130-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 05:58:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6A9A3BF3E; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:58:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 236431.85825.bm@as608.mail.sp1.yahoo.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=25+ihcAjNc1QazEyl39XvUX5EF6Rs5KZmDxbrqveQdsqNNSQbAlwiPfbin7V288ta39NiM/SRt2OFYIX42EuW2Ch0S2YD1qFg+VMpD10E1cyKNKPbBgnN4klb9tVUEdJg/xnGX1aDdjxQuQlfyk6+wEjF5pfKNv3ar5WTyJZVbU=; X-YMail-OSG: XkMYC0EVM1nVaDoe1.TIekAkB9DAh0Qu6_4hR8itsb_SC4Su9u5cq9fTEdSgUA2YRQtPaYmTiyQFARx.Wj796QF0SEzMraa4BK_p X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.50 YahooMailWebService/0.7.134 Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 22:58:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Adam Hart Subject: OT: Drum machine PRE AMP??? To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1498573589-1190527127=:74402" Message-ID: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74794 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:58:49 +0000 (UTC) --0-1498573589-1190527127=:74402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone. I'm running a BOSS Dr 880 directly into my PA (Bose LP1 tower= ). I am thinking that I want to compress the sound and maybe warm it up a = bit to make it sound less "machiney". Any thoughts or advice as to how to = process the sound before it hits my PA?=0A=0AThanks,=0AAdam=0A=0A=0A=0A = =0A_____________________________________________________________________= _______________=0ABe a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from = someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.=0Ahttp://answers.yahoo.co= m/dir/?link=3Dlist&sid=3D396545469 --0-1498573589-1190527127=:74402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    Hello again.&= nbsp; I'm looping with a Gibson oberheim Echoplex.  I have replaced th= e red plastic foot switches once already.  I want to replace them with= equivalent metal switches.  Does anyone know the part number for meta= l switches offhand?

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    =0A Shape Yahoo! in your own image. =0AJoin our Network Research Panel today!=0A --0-1677884337-1190527338=:76762-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 06:48:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EA5F93BF2B; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:47:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=jgL1OUQ1hf6IbwkahPNQhunzaJ2eaXwgNZlm+dCq90Fop5S6TH0o90dp2G0Wlb52WCoxF/3kasg/qqoM6hI3SthKriCsJtCGSMoLyHKN39bSplAN+IPz7vLRcqpvPbzV8jYZAID4fc0MP6qnqQg90PmVdsdGSnG20ruj8nuSJRg=; X-YMail-OSG: HRkyWYUVM1koeBCvvoSbffnc9LGsGu.Hlc1e0pe8iyk1dwDlMKOBnSzQRQFi4wTHTngQcFob1HKxAzF3nChF49Ttp4HCXQ4ePKBIhME_NzHz7AFKzl0- Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:47:59 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: Re: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <154190.22744.qm@web56905.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74796 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:47:59 +0000 (UTC) That is maybe the most adorable thing I've ever seen. And amazing to watch the whole problem solving thing evolve right in front of your eyes... jesse --- Krispen Hartung wrote: > Well, this is definitely not OT...but it's also not > the most serious of topics either! This evening, I > decided to give my 28 month old twin (Tristan) his > first shot at looping. I plugged an SM57 into my > Boss RC-2, and then into a cheap Epiphone battery > powered amp with some distortion. I hope you get a > real kick out of this. I laughed my ass off. I could > only get so much out of him, because of the > competing balloons nearby and after a while he > became bored of my simple setup. :) > > http://www.box.net/shared/h7nht52ce5 > > It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute > of watching me operate the RC-2, he had already > figured out how to turn on the drum guide beat and > stop the loop, restart, etc. And of course, if you > know 2 year olds, after that he wouldn't let me > touch the gear, but insisted on being the one to > control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically mess > things up. > > And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was > totally his own doing. He's never seen that > done...an experimenter at heart! > > Kris > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 07:37:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EEFA3BF3B; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=H/4VpLb114yTT45aqS9iJMoaegkMx5QHUNTkUaf5dnnpOuiLYnjpGAviVIyc7svyJKqn5FGWJLlyWHRRkwFACMUDOuvsZhuF3X3EezA6Q9UcgmV+M6FW4D9aXFBpLj7YiW1kXwR9IZ4UPiUwdYoBUXM2aWjHsxeJ8rAtcpjWp6E=; X-YMail-OSG: Yr8s4u8VM1lb.O1Ui6NN_NIsmv2NdF70WcrUONH9BWYn8WXPBvI0QN8wnC3icijBnRql3kPapWYmx2.K5Gp9U0G2xhszTBik9kVU3kndywwBEzSO1u7ovDZU8Apll3UmCV62IRRo7KtCyxjssSo0IwKUAQ-- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 00:37:15 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4421DC83-AB3A-465D-82DB-05B5A94A98ED@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74797 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Hey Zoe, Not to make you blush more, but I've got to second the awesomeness comment. More than just impressed, I went and checked out your music, and its just plain great :). So, I don't know how much this is about the mics now, but I noticed that you say you use a "empty-score" (a blank musical framework in the form of pre-programmed midi sequences that I then play the music into) I've been experimenting with this idea, and was wondering, do you have the midi sequences as freely callable tools at your disposal (i.e. non-sequentially individually callable) or is the form locked in, and it varies more by what you play each time into the "empty-score". I was thinking through this idea with Kid Beyond over the summer, as one of his songs, 'Cathedrals', is more or less an empty score in ableton, that takes the input material and midi clips it around to form the song. At the far extreme you could even predeterimine the song as one giant clip, which would require you to know when to play what, but after you hit start, would not require foot switching etc. This of course is an extreme, and would be very limiting to amount of improvisation involved, but its a neat to look all the way to the end of the spectrum. I could also imagine a world, where composers of "empty-scores" could share their scores with other musicians, who could learn how to play them and come up with entirely different music, that would still be bound together to the fundamentals of the empty score loop architecture. You could even write some stuff down on a piece of paper, a "real" score to help an artist learn your "empty" score. What seems cool about the idea is not so much the codifying and reductionist thinking, but the concept that through speaking a common language, people could start sharing their architectures they've developed, their empty scores, with eachother, allowing us to be simultaneously loop players, of our own scores and other's scores, but also loop composers, of scores to share with other loop musicians. So, related to that idea, I was wondering, to you, or anyone else who's been working with these ideas, how much of your empty score is predetermined, and how much is left flexible ussually? What types of things do you program into those midi sequences (midiclips? Do you use ableton?). Looping changes? Bringing back old parts? Fade outs? Effects? I'm been working on this myself, using midiclips in ableton, but I've been stuggleing with setting up the architecture in a way that encourages creativity as opposed to giving me either too much to think about, or made me feel like I was playing in a box. Cheers, Jesse --- Zoe Keating wrote: > *blush* thank ye! > > hey, we all start somewhere. and even if music can > only be "hobby", > it is no less valid. > > my first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so > nervous i could hardly > hold the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on > tuesday (but not > looping alas...). > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GHbuFlya4 > > > On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: > > > By the way, I checked out your website & you're > amazing. > > > > My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a > humble > > undertaking considering your accomplishments. > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 09:37:25 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D605C3BF57; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:37:50 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c7fdc5$683e3380$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: Acf9ptChVn8W0svsTYe9UJ4OT0yBDQAHkOPg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OINOKCOFAKU= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74798 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Try the SLP Charisma 2. Apart from that, I'm under the impression that you don't know exactly what you want to do, so you might try to more precisely analyse this: * can you move your sound into the right direction using gear you already have? EQ? compressor? multifx? * do you know of someone with a drum computer setup but better sound? which setup does he use? Rainer ________________________________ Hi everyone. I'm running a BOSS Dr 880 directly into my PA (Bose LP1 tower). I am thinking that I want to compress the sound and maybe warm it up a bit to make it sound less "machiney". Any thoughts or advice as to how to process the sound before it hits my PA? 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 10:38:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3E23BF4E; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=cqG2P997JKKYKBdJO2wpijtYyKQFacl6s7NFhURoaIMcXO+yUr2qwI/NF7iAERk0; h=Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Message-ID: <5150197.1190543880433.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 06:38:00 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: "donh@mindspring.com" Reply-To: "donh@mindspring.com" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: realtime stereo to surround,etc Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: e8b29b9ad2abf3e4f402879cecb40bd522c9ece5650a495b47bc6e764df652985b00afbc46b5453b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.50 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74799 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 10:38:13 +0000 (UTC) You know, I should have pointed this out for folks who've been on this list= awhile: http://im-research.com/company/people/ -----Original Message----- >From: Qua Veda >Sent: Sep 22, 2007 11:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: RE: realtime stereo to surround,etc > >Thanks Don, the VSP products look very interesting >-Qua > >-----Original Message----- >From: donh@mindspring.com [mailto:donh@mindspring.com]=20 >Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 2:37 PM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: Re: realtime stereo to surround,etc > >I think this product probably wants to be looked at: >http://im-research.com/products/plugins/ >Along the lines of surround, at http://www.discwelder.com/ you'll see Disc= welder Bronze, a very afforable DVD-A authoring app. >Don > >-----Original Message----- >>From: "qua@oregon.com" >>Sent: Sep 21, 2007 5:12 PM >>To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >>Subject: realtime stereo to surround >> >>Are there VSTs that convert live stereo (or mono) into 5.1 surround (or >>discrete multi-channels)? I know the Eventide H8000 does this in hardwar= e >>by means of distributing the original signal across the surround channels= , >>applying EQ , etc . And I'm sure this could be programmed in Max/MSP, >>but was wondering if there was an 'off the shelf' software product. >> >>-Qua >> >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>mail2web.com =E2=80=93 What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? >>http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint >> >> > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 13:04:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C4743BF55; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:04:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:00:54 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: "Evil Behringer" In-reply-to: <27131226.1189873457194.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <46F66386.9040508@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <689u74$2kb3gp@OutRelay-b07.libero.it> <27131226.1189873457194.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74800 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:04:48 +0000 (UTC) James Richmond wrote: > I had a Behringer MX8000 8 bus console that was returned for repair 8 > times in 3 years. I have an MX9000 8-bus mixer that has been flawless for three years. I may be lucky or the 9000 might be a better design than the 8000. Certainly my console sees little use these days since I moved to using my computer. > I still have a patch-bay and an ADA8000, which is a horrible sounding > device, unless it is externally clocked. I use my MOTU 896HD to clock an ADA8000, making the Behringer a very cost effective I/O expansion box. My recommendation regarding Behringer gear is to buy selectively. Some of their line are fine sounding and built well enough. Other are less so. But the price point can hardly ever be beat. Read reviews and user comments, buy carefully, and pray. Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 13:17:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17A3E3BF27; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:12:57 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Re: a few ricochetdream montana gathering photos In-reply-to: <5316106.1189590261334.JavaMail.root@m11> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Cc: synthdiy , Ricochet Gathering Yahoogroups List Message-id: <46F66659.1080208@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <5316106.1189590261334.JavaMail.root@m11> User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74801 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 13:17:08 +0000 (UTC) Bob Weigel wrote: > On my http://sounddoctorin.com site. Go down to 'some photos of interest' I might point out the serendipity of the Ricochet Gathering being held in Bozeman, Montana and how it took only one afternoon of intensive searching for a way to fix Józef Skrzek's (Poland) minimoog to run into Bob who took us under his wing, showed us (and let us play) his fabulous vintage synth collection, and fix the minimoog by midnight. A trip that started as a disaster for Józef was saved by Bob. Two days after the week-long Gathering, Józef played his minimoog in a concert held at the Acropolis (Athens). Cheers, Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 14:15:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDE973BF57; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:15:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=X4m1O1neV/JUDYW0ECT68WrGwZbt+aPyD9XmMaAuxPA=; b=mW+HJ9Dm6uQ/zA4C+ssKRx208oI5hfRHwEGnAP1PyXxjNPnDmwJpCsZ8FaRORkGbePKWr5PKWDey4brM9v8HfPWdoPJQ8m4AQh5J8jJPFzlpbHJtq3DUVd294bW7WB5spxzZsF/eP+YzUtCcVJf6RvXXpYjiMyQtKd+8CSNMvwE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=JfqHhxKR8kpfMoTgztZ9EtGPNOksjlOxTJhuZ64iB2DtRu3vyLn1DDE1FHiwet/6n/OobhchkyvM3gZ0IjJGcF4evxxwHPwH7qkHdOdsLH6Ltu/MV+XCMlLS1RAeUgVeR+WMJHAO1ToVH2DPnxUTv9CWnEkAPsh6fpRgcUsu+n4= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 16:15:33 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic In-Reply-To: <3F17CE93-2D04-4076-9A5B-3D2B58BF9E48@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_40154_5444796.1190556933520" References: <4003816.1190491301908.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3F17CE93-2D04-4076-9A5B-3D2B58BF9E48@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74802 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:15:35 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_40154_5444796.1190556933520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline No working link Per ... Was it costly to personalize them? Can we reach the manufacturers here in the net? ... Thank you!. Ra=FCl. 2007/9/22, Per Boysen : > > I've been using ear protection plugs that were modeled in silicon > after my ears. They have a straight frequency curve and can be used > with different filters. I use the -15dB filters. Drummers are > recommended to arm them with -20dB. Here's a similar product: > http://www.audiorelief.co.uk/shop/product_info.php? > products_id=3D133&osCsid=3D631b4c311456a3204af39eca60a54f63 > > I know this thread was originally about feedback on stage, but since > it changed into "earplugs" I thought I would post since I really like > the personalized ones I have. BTW, you can use them inside all > covering headphones and crank them way up without going deaf. Handy > for some band situations ;-) > > per > > > On 22 sep 2007, at 22.01, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote: > > > those etymotix earpluggs are great for lowering the in ear db of > > music that uses massive volume also, i have found- > > http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx > > s > > > > > >> my ears are by etymotic research. i love them. > >> i don't bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down. > >> just plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface. > >> > >> > >> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> > >>> great thread,just curious what type of in ear monitors > >>> are u using or would recomend? > >>> Luis > >> > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_40154_5444796.1190556933520 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline No working link Per ... Was it costly to personalize them? Can we reach the= manufacturers here in the net? ... Thank you!.

    Ra=FCl.

    = 2007/9/22, Per Boysen < perboysen@gmail.com>:
    I've been using ear protection plugs that were model= ed in silicon
    after my ears. They have a straight frequency curve and can be used
    = with different filters. I use the -15dB filters. Drummers are
    recommende= d to arm them with -20dB. Here's a similar product:
    http://www.audiorelief.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?
    products_id=3D13= 3&osCsid=3D631b4c311456a3204af39eca60a54f63

    I know this thread w= as originally about feedback on stage, but since
    it changed into "e= arplugs" I thought I would post since I really like
    the personalized ones I have. BTW, you can use them inside all
    cover= ing headphones and crank them way up without going deaf. Handy
    for some = band situations ;-)

    per


    On 22 sep 2007, at 22.01, stanitarium@earthlink.net wrote:

    > those etymotix earpluggs a= re great for lowering the in ear db of
    > music that uses massive volu= me also, i have found-
    > http://www.etymotic.com/ephp/er20.aspx
    > s
    >
    >
    >= ;> my ears are by etymotic research. i love them.
    >> i don'= t bother with a wireless pack since i'm sitting down.
    >> just = plug them into the headphone output of my motu interface.
    >>
    >>
    >> On Sep 22, 2007, at 2:55 AM, L.A. Angu= lo wrote:
    >>
    >>> great thread,just curious what type o= f in ear monitors
    >>> are u using or would recomend?
    >>= ;> Luis
    >>





    -- The Playing Orchestra: http= ://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_40154_5444796.1190556933520-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 14:43:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2366D3BF5C; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 07:43:55 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c7fdf0$2b2630d0$81729270$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7FDB5.7EC758D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf9nkzj1B7IpLv9TGahfb5jNMgicQAUc6KA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D7d8f0b9a00003bb0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74803 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:43:11 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7FDB5.7EC758D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The true Kid Beyond !! -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:49 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... Well, this is definitely not OT...but it's also not the most serious of topics either! This evening, I decided to give my 28 month old twin (Tristan) his first shot at looping. I plugged an SM57 into my Boss RC-2, and then into a cheap Epiphone battery powered amp with some distortion. I hope you get a real kick out of this. I laughed my ass off. I could only get so much out of him, because of the competing balloons nearby and after a while he became bored of my simple setup. :) http://www.box.net/shared/h7nht52ce5 It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute of watching me operate the RC-2, he had already figured out how to turn on the drum guide beat and stop the loop, restart, etc. And of course, if you know 2 year olds, after that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, but insisted on being the one to control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically mess things up. And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was totally his own doing. He's never seen that done...an experimenter at heart! Kris ************************************************************************** Krispen Hartung www.krispenhartung.com / www.myspace.com/krispenhartung info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 Discography - http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7FDB5.7EC758D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    The true Kid Beyond !!

    -Qua

     

    From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:49 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: My 28 month old's first shot at = looping...

     

    Well, this is definitely not OT...but it's also not the most serious of topics either!  This evening, I decided to give my 28 month old twin (Tristan) his first shot at looping. I plugged an SM57 into my Boss = RC-2, and then into a cheap Epiphone battery powered amp with some = distortion.  I hope you get a real kick out of this. I laughed my ass off. I could = only get so much out of him, because of the competing balloons nearby and after a = while he became bored of my simple setup. :)

     

     

    It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute of watching me operate = the RC-2, he had already figured out how to turn on the drum guide beat and = stop the loop, restart, etc.  And of course, if you know 2 year olds, = after that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, but insisted on being the one to control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically mess things up.  

     

    And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was totally his own doing. = He's never seen that done...an experimenter at heart!  =

     

    Kris

     

     

    *************= *************************************************************
    Krispen Hartung
    www.krispenhartung.com / = www.myspace.com/krispenhar= tung
    info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603
    Discography - http://www.krispenha= rtung.com/catalogue.htm
    CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung

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Best Regards Senator David Mark SENATE PRESIDENT (Federal Republic of Nigeria) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 15:30:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 102143BF58; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.1.155 X-EN-IMPSID: rrWi1X0043LfWe20000000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:30:29 -0800 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Sean Echevarria Subject: Re: Echoplex footswitch buttons... metal? In-Reply-To: <556160.76762.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <556160.76762.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-EN-UserInfo: 4e12c5fe79f298d3e0334846d6e14b72:75caded3a5c52cf5820480c3dbce8e31 X-EN-AuthUser: seancreepingfog Sender: Sean Echevarria X-EN-OrigIP: 64.121.34.10 X-EN-OrigHost: 64-121-34-10.c3-0.snmt-ubr1.sfrn-snmt.ca.static.cable.rcn.com Message-Id: <20070923153043.9FC3C3BECF@arsenic.violacea.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74804 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:30:44 +0000 (UTC) There are replacements for sale here: http://www.britishaudioservice.com/shop_main_echoplex.shtml Their part number is 73-SWT-EDP-FC-STP. That is a combination of a Carling P26L-1D-RND MTL plus a large bushing that makes it a drop in replacement for the original plastic red buttons. http://push-button-switches.carlingtech.com/momentary-switch__62.asp The P26L momentary switches don't snap like typical stomp buttons. At 2007.09.22 10:02 PM, Adam Hart wrote: >Hello again. I'm looping with a Gibson oberheim Echoplex. I have >replaced the red plastic foot switches once already. I want to >replace them with equivalent metal switches. Does anyone know the >part number for metal switches offhand? > >Thanks, >Adam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 15:40:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4EBB03BF5A; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:40:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=0KoG0Aqakt28T5k6gZp53eEVXs7Mg7nTNFZ7rmEQvf4=; b=BIxt9+AJH1JMFJGBme0nT3aLWis1fxfGVab+6f8YsUNOSQvCRo+Nzww4fJ83eVVY2tUPsjWlE54mLQuTQa4RLXSepK8wNoGTrj7Nyb5agzomFBOMtjf636w+yMChqF6tObOZ/n+l7+rpYcpRhaQDCHuP3bOV8xcx8fFsGbxtFsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=Q8vE46Ogk9oR4C/tP+o92e9MpvAKtBeZpXxLgt2sVZS7ggCjHmwMo6Wcl1VIOP9xDnDwBAO6C+f8Op/WEurbT6PP0cWUCgtMsAbk8jvrdBuZs7+x8AcxNemQC6gF//Ns52GDzW7nR957bNmPMgQGA59sJUnsI/r6WDbYaXfP8+I= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:40:43 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74805 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:40:55 +0000 (UTC) On 23 sep 2007, at 09.37, J E wrote: > composers of > "empty-scores" FYI, I just learned that the "empty-scores" concept is also used live by Tomas Dolby (running Logic for "MIDI live looping" on a computer). And wasn't it Claude Voit that did this many years ago with a Gibson Echoplex synced to a MIDI sequencer? Fascinating stuff.... next big thing might be filling up Empty Scores with Silent Audio.... no - I was just kidding there... ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 20:27:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D68673BF59; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:27:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ZtvcNbDZ1E6aFEZugAHA9MyZmN2Jxaz02z0kJl7ALE0=; b=UQbk+qeufCV+TYqy8fnbFZbyGQv0ycaDR4LB76sbr8tuC2XLmkOBsJD5XucvwYzmYlRH3h40p3+E2h2vpzdvkdSkHCifN9+n28/5O0U/+JLqe5HYqZvEWfANqGFc8u0yxJbVSmZ9+QKe23b2XX49WGs1NCpqM2nG7OHgDTtHZqA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kLZtESQ4uyCUUSE2wbxIrhu0Zs7Zr6lGJnXQM+II10Yq+bup4HvwMiGp6LbyHo7xb16EcLLAlmBjG6JS7rzDwW4uMMvay8xZ5uHTL3yL59/kTyZNrHIDzhiEAGP8gR8HtmyE2OgHwTomVvYhqTM93B4Rpuv+i97505PIAd6Xa30= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <4003816.1190491301908.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <3F17CE93-2D04-4076-9A5B-3D2B58BF9E48@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:27:08 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <6KQ04B.A.HZE.jws9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74806 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:27:15 +0000 (UTC) On 23 sep 2007, at 16.15, Raul Bonell wrote: > No working link Per ... Was it costly to personalize them? Can we =20 > reach the manufacturers here in the net? ... Thank you!. > > Ra=FCl. Hi Ra=FCl, Yes, they were rather expensive. But in the long run they become =20 very cheap, since I bought them in 1994 and they are still working =20 fine. Haven't even needed to get new -15dB filters. Sorry about the =20 non-working link - I didn't think it made sense to post the Swedish =20 web site so I tried to find a similar product page in English. =20 Anyway, I had to go to a lab for 30 minutes and have my outer ear =20 channels duplicated in some material that were then used for making =20 the personalized soft silicone plugs. At the time I bought them =20 because I was touring with a very loud rock band and did backing =20 vocals while playing electric guitar, so I had to use soft silicone =20 ear protection to make sure they would not let through volume shocks =20 while I was moving my jaw for singing. It's nice to have the =20 experienced volume lowered without the usual loss of high frequencies. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 20:35:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49A623BF61; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=AErpbNmf3gFfQlFw+pr4LCqk4Tey0YKw5K5OphyggHI=; b=OpBqoDf/NbN+tanTBARgv7SJntXuw//IbyImTQTEV+meQ5QcktGcHNzriyTb3Tb+LFlR18lS3rZlEUFSebTl70lkqVvtwCKIxWVmMLKlgdmTNuq7ZLZOqySXYYehwwvUfaAJwklxvdnvXA2oJhaUdLbpQ3nhGZdI5PxDvMl8bP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ly2jZon89xXaWHGQvjZykpDv4b4DQqNdOImQQ6+NIGBHalsLoeG6UmKYeIqtX2KCWJlVGkLxwuN1g6kExNMhZDWDUmxL6bcGG7N5vjzCcFeokxetjZRK9d56F91ZmESzLBCJLEFeoxGeDCGN6xSpt3YOksMTZXBQN10cvM8Bulo= In-Reply-To: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <06a501c7fd9d$01653050$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9FC8C993-046D-4B0B-9756-7D9CB895E26D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:35:25 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74807 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:35:34 +0000 (UTC) On 23 sep 2007, at 06.48, Krispen Hartung wrote: > http://www.box.net/shared/h7nht52ce5 > > It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute of watching me > operate the RC-2, he had already figured out how to turn on the > drum guide beat and stop the loop, restart, etc. And of course, if > you know 2 year olds, after that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, > but insisted on being the one to control the knobs, unplug wires, > and basically mess things up. > > And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was totally his own > doing. He's never seen that done...an experimenter at heart! Thank you, that was a nice looping video! Is Tristan his name? An excellent name! I too set up a looper once for my 20 year son back when he was five. He started improvising a story about a ship in a storm, making up wind noise in the mic. I think I still have the recording somewhere. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 22:52:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A0DE3BF5F; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "Adam Hart" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:53:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74808 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Hey Adam, you wrote: "I'm running a BOSS Dr 880 directly into my PA (Bose LP1 tower). I am thinking that I want to compress the sound and maybe warm it up a bit to make it sound less "machiney". Any thoughts or advice as to how to process the sound before it hits my PA?"" I've been using drum machines for years and years in live settings and wanted to share some things I've come to believe about their use to answer your question in a round about way. What I've found is that a drum machine is a drum machine.........................honestly, no matter how much you 'tube' it up, it's still going to sound mechanical for the most part, with these notable exceptions: I have found seven things that can make a drum machine sound more organic and effective in live music. 1) In nature, transient waves travel a little faster than lower midrange and bass notes. Drum machines (due to sampling and playback) cause this time alignment of frequencies to flatten out. The Barcus Berry Sonic Maximizer from my understanding, puts selective and very short delays onto low midrange and progressively onto bass notes. This allows the transient and treble waves to hit your ears miliseconds before the lower notes. It's a psycho-acoustic effect but it just sounds more 'organic' or real. They can be had as a song these days in a one rack space unit. 2) Additionally, the phase relationship of treble and upper midrange sounds can vary wildly when we are moving around in a physical acoustic space just do to the distance of our ears from one another (hearing the same sound in phase doubles the volume, hearing the same sound out of phase , theoretically complete cancels that particular frequency..........though his never happens in reality because we are always in some kind of an acoustic space with reverberant qualities. The Aphex Aural Exciter, again, from my understanding (and I'm a lay person when it comes to acoustics and psycho acoustics explanations) randomly changes the phase relationship of the upper harmonics in a sound . This process 'excites' the treble response of a sound and , again, though a psychoacoustic effect, lends itself to a more 'real' sound. These units can also be had relatively cheaply used on line. 3) Most people make the mistake that because the stasis of a drum machine lacks energy that if they make their drum computer programming more complex that it will compensate for this energy. I have found this to be a mistake. My feeling is the best drum computer progamming is that which gives the most 'air' and space to a mix...........................it is the programming that is relatively syncopatively neutral precisely because it gives much more freedom for the voices in the music that actually will be organic. You'll never find a drum beat in a drum machine that has the kick on beats 1 and 3, the snare on 2 and 4 and hi hats that play straight 8th notes. You wont' because it isn't flashy and doesn't help music store clerks sell the drum machines to prospective clients. In the 80's, if you randomly went up and down the radio dial and analyzed every single rhythm you'd be astonished to discover , however, that this was the very same drum machine used on 50% of the pop songs released. So, you want to write a funky rhythm? Make all your syncopations be 8th note syncopations and if you want to add a 16th note offbeat, add only one in the measure...................the funk is implied and then up to you to bring home with your other writing. 4) Also, a lot of people , fearing the stasis and mechanical quality of a drum machine, tend to turn them way far down in volume as a way of underplaying the static quality. Again, I have found the opposite approach much more effective. The machine lacks energy, intrinsically, so make up for it by playing it almost louder than you would have an acoustic drum kit. The volume will give it energy and it will sound huge if you purposefully keep your programming minimal as in example #3 above. 5) Judicious and very, very subtle use of cutoff frequency, resonance and volume can make even the simplest of hi hat patterns sound more realistic if you have those abilities to program on your drum machine. If so, remember that drummers tend to have one hand stronger than another hand. 16th note hi hat patterns will sound more realistic if you cut a little high end off of every other stroke (simulating a weak left hand in most drummers). Similarly you can take a little bit of volume of of every other strokes. Quickly copy a 16th or 8th note hi hat pattern to 10 different patterns and then spend 20 minutes tweaking each one so that they are just a little bit different than the others. Now you can take any piece of music and randomly add kicks and snare patterns to copies of these hi hat rhythms. Remember, make the effect as subtle as possible , yet still noticeable..................make a note of how much wiggle room you can have with each parameter and then be random in your assignment of cutoff and volume cuts for every other note. This will cause a decided percolative effect on your tracks over all. 6) Remember, if everything is loud, nothing sounds big because there is no contrast. Make sure your hi hat and ride sounds are considerably quieter than your kick and snare parts and will make the latter sound much bigger. Oddly enough, you don't even need to vary the volume settings of your kicks and snares because the brain has this habit of identifying a few key elements in a sound and then assigning it that 'real' classification. This is why in the 80's and still up until this day, a lot of producers program their kicks and snares and then have live studio drummers come in and overdub hihat sounds. The Police's innovative drummer, Stewart Copeland made a lot of money doing just hi hat overdubs on recording sessions. You hear some of those records and you could never tell that a real drumset wasn't played because your mind grasps the 'authenticity' of the hi hat overdubs and completely misses the sonic stasis of the drum machine parts. 7) Additionally, if you don't have all this sophisticated equipment or even ability to program things like cutoff and resonance, sometimes it's a very hip thing to just send your hi hats out as separate outs and put them through a cheap stomp box Phaser or Flanger (or if you are lucky, a Filter box). Set your sweep times to long times that are NOT synced to your rhythm. This will cause the hi hats to swirl in such a way that it is a little unpredictable. Remember it is human error that makes most drumming sound real (that and considerable technique and musicality in the composition of the drum parts). I hope this helps, yours, Rick Walker ps if you still want to put a pre amp onto your sound, I"d suggest that you not use an ART preamp as someone on this list pointed out that very little of the sound is actually routed through the A12 tube in that unit. If you can find a used Alesis BitRMan or Alesis Ineko pick one up. They have a zillion cool little sounds (including bit reduction, lo fi, distortion, tube amp simulation, flange, phase, rotary speaker, ring modulators etc.) They are an incredible bang for the buck..............just ask Scoots Galore (aka Michael Klobuchar) a regular contributor on this list for years about them if you need a recommendation. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 23 23:47:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E7DD3BF59; Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:47:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Reply-To: From: "PiNG" To: "Ambient@hyperreal" , "Dark Seeds" , "Drone Deep Chill" , "Loopers Delight" , "The Ambient Way" , Subject: 09.25.07 . SEPTEMBER PiNG > THE PiNG presents A BACK TO SCHOOL DRONE Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 19:47:52 -0400 Organization: THE AMBiENT PiNG Message-ID: <000001c7fe3c$28554c00$a27ba8c0@dream> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1896 Resent-Message-ID: <5GcXRD.A.rPC.rsv9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74809 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:47:55 +0000 (UTC) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THiS TUES. SEPT. 25TH . THE PiNG presents=20 A BACK TO SCHOOL DRONE . Featuring Kinder Atom Scott M2 . Spacenoiz . mara's torment . atlaxia James Bailey . Aidan Baker . URM . Matthew Poulakakis=20 Live in the UNDERGROUND @ THE DRAKE HOTEL Tuesday September 25th . 8PM . PWYC (5$ Suggested) =20 . THiS SAT. SEPT. 29TH . THE PiNG is pleased to be a part of=20 an improvised collaboration for scotiabank nuit blanche LE LABO presents SHARE-LABO with special guests=20 SHARE-MONTREAL and THE AMBiENT PiNG=20 LiVE MULTiMEDiA JAM @ GALLERiE LE LABO The Distillery District . Cannery Bldg #58 . Room #317 Saturday September 29th . 7.03PM - 7.03AM . Free . COMiNG iN OCTOBER . THE PiNG presents ALL HALLOW=92S=20 EVE-EVE featuring GHOST OF A FLEA and NOT_Digital Live in the UNDERGROUND @ THE DRAKE HOTEL Tuesday October 30th . 8PM . PWYC (5$ Suggested) =20 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 09.25.07 . THE PiNG's presents A BACK TO SCHOOL DRONE Featuring Kinder Atom . Scott M2 . Spacenoiz . mara's torment atlaxia . James Bailey . Aidan Baker . URM . Matthew Poulakakis @ the UNDERGROUND downstairs @ the DRAKE HOTEL 1150 Queen St. W @ Beaconsfield . W of Ossington . E of Dufferin TUESDAY SEPTEMBER 25TH . 8PM . PWYC (5$ suggested) . To celebrate our first anniversary at THE DRAKE UNDERGROUND, the PiNG looks back to our first show at the DRAKE and once again brings you A BACK TO SCHOOL DRONE. . Droning is a long held tradition at the PiNG which goes way back to dreamSTATE's Drone Cycle of 2000, so once again we'll be Dialling D for Drone. This year you'll hear some long time PiNG=20 droners like Scott M2 (dreamSTATE), Jim Field (Spacenoiz),=20 rik maclean (mara's torment), Aidan Baker (ARC, Nadja),=20 James Bailey (Odradek, Six Heads, NOiNO, tidal pool), Jamie Todd=20 (URM, dreamSTATE, SADU, NOiNO) and Matthew Poulakakis (Salvage Sound, NOiNO.) We're also pleased to welcome=20 new droners Heiki and Kris of Kinder Atom and atlaxia. Drone Schedule . 9.00 . Jamie . 9.15 . rik . 9.30 . Heiki=20 . 9.45 . Kris=20 . 10.00 . James=20 . 10.15 . Scott=20 . 10.30 . Jim=20 . 10.45 . Matthew=20 . 11.00 . atlaxia=20 . 11.15 . Aidan=20 Performers will drone for about 40 minutes each. Overlapping droners will start the drone going=20 around 9PM and will finish it up around midnight.=20 This year's drone brought to you in the key of D.=20 URM: http://www.urm.ca mara's torment: http://www.marastorment.com Kinder Atom: http://www.kinderatom.com James Bailey: http://www.myspace.com/jimab dreamSTATE: http://www.dreamstate.to Spacenoiz: http://www.myspace.com/jimfieldfromrheas atlaxia: http://www.myspace.com/atlaxia Aidan Baker: http://www.aidanbaker.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 09.29.07 . LE LABO presents SHARE-LABO with=20 special guests SHARE-MONTREAL and THE AMBiENT PiNG=20 LiVE MULTiMEDiA JAM @ GALLERiE LE LABO The Distillery District . Cannery Bldg #58 . Room #317 SATURDAY SEPTEMBER 29TH . 7.03PM - 7.03AM . Free LE LABORATOIRE D'ART (LE LABO) welcomes SHARE MONTR=C9AL=20 (SHARE MTL) for an all-night live media arts and sound event=20 they're organising together during the city-wide scotiabank nuit=20 blanche 2007. The event, called SHARE-LABO, starts at 7.03PM=20 September 29 and runs through to 7.03AM the next morning.=20 The presentation follows a new open jam formula called SHARE.=20 Participants improvise with each other's signals, movements=20 and voice in real time video and audio to create unique=20 multimedia performances. =20 All artists who experiment with live media arts are invited to=20 participate. SHARE is an opportunity to jam with like-minded=20 creative individuals from the digital arts scene. Participants from=20 video, audio or performance practices bring their instruments,=20 equipment, laptops and cables, and plug into the sound system=20 or projectors and improvise live together. Members of LE LABO and of SHARE Montr=E9al will participate=20 in the all-night performances with artists from the long-running=20 THE AMBiENT PiNG series and artists from the Montr=E9al and=20 local communities. This project is developed within the=20 tradition of happenings, renewing their meaning=20 in a technological environment. For PiNG artists still wishing to subscribe to take part in=20 the SHARE, simply send an email to info@sharemtl.com and express your interest in being part of the jam and let=20 SHARE know which musical category you would like to=20 participate in - ambient, experimental, IDM, noise or beat.=20 Also, please include any time preferences or time=20 constraints that you have for the night. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . THE AMBiENT PiNG is a Toronto based creative community of audio artists, performers, musicians and visual artists. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 00:05:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 40D5E3BF55; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:05:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 02:06:15 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c7fe3e$b9b6a250$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: Acf+NHeA4Zaz51Q2TAyQfzTSyQ+MtQAChISg In-Reply-To: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OININ+JA9yg= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74810 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:05:52 +0000 (UTC) > unit. If you > can find a used Alesis BitRMan or Alesis Ineko pick one up. > They have a zillion cool little sounds (including bit > reduction, lo fi, distortion, tube amp simulation, flange, > phase, rotary speaker, ring modulators etc.) They are an > incredible bang for the buck..............just ask Scoots > Galore (aka Michael > Klobuchar) a regular contributor on this list for years about > them if you need a recommendation. And here's a picture of Michael Klobuchar and Matt Davignon both using one (Matt uses his on a drum machine btw)! http://www.flickr.com/photos/moinsound/278987224/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 00:13:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 229133BF61; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6945824B-DBC6-43B0-BBAE-3E12C63FD9B1@zoekeating.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:13:30 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74811 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:13:32 +0000 (UTC) let's see...i started using the "empty score" analogy as a neat way to describe this techie stuff to classical music people in a way they understand. i do think of it that way, that a sequence of midi commands IS a score, just in a different format. anyway, the technique is similar to what kid beyond is doing in that we're both using midi clips within ableton live to control recording and playback. differences: 1) in addition to ableton, i have 2 multi-track hardware loopers to quickly create amorphous and layered loops 2) the "empty scores" are constructed of modules. each module is a sequence of midi commands (anything really: record on track 2 for four bars then fade out track 1 over the course of 8 bars; start playing loopB on track 3 and stop all the other loops 4 bars later; etc.). 3) the structure of a piece can be a bit like a choose-your-own- adventure novels. each module i can trigger with my feet, or have it be triggered by another musical event, or string batches of them together in another module. i can therefore change the order of events quite easily. or arrest the sequencing and move to manual foot control if i'm feeling like improvising the rest of the structure. i 4) some of the the compositions are that..."composed"...and so i have the computer execute batches of modules in a certain order. obviously every performance is still different because i am not a machine so the arrangements can be quite varied if i use a different bowing style, etc. i can always arrest the progression with my feet and switch into manual mode. for example, in one of my recent pieces i play a long, solo composition on the cello. meanwhile, i have the computer silently sample segments of it in the background. then, 3 minutes in, i press a foot pedal and BANG, a whole orchestra comes in made up of all the sampled phrases. i've gotten pretty fluid with the programming and the execution to the point that now this setup is extremely freeing. i can move seamlessly between structured and improvised bits and i can so do much more than i could do before. most importantly i don't have to be linear which seemed to me one of the limitations of lets-build-layers- on-top-of-layers-looping. i still use that technique ad nauseam of course, but its nice to have a bit more musical freedom. also, i don't know if this is relevant, but i don't really make a distinction between improvised and composed parts. and i don't find the idea of a 'score' or 'structure' to be limiting since nearly everything i do is about working within well defined boundaries, maybe this is the classical musician in me. playing exactly the same composition, 4 days in a row...is no different to me than improvisation. i mean, each day is different and i am not experiencing the same things the same way every day. so the music will mean whatever it does at that particular moment, a moment which can never be duplicated. don't know if that makes sense. but whether or not i choose to improvise in the middle of a composition, is also about what is happening right at that moment. i'm happy to have finally found a method of playing that allows me to do that. one of my favorite "games" to play now is to take an empty score of a particular composition, and then play different music into it. the computer takes care of the arrangement and i just improvise and see what happens. it's kind of like back in 2000 when i first started playing at afterparties. i would play and my electronic music friends would sample and manipulate me, and then i would react to that. but now I AM IN CONTROL...HA HA HA (fade evil laughter) i'm sure other people are doing this too. On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:37 AM, J E wrote: > Hey Zoe, > > Not to make you blush more, but I've got to second the > awesomeness comment. More than just impressed, I went > and checked out your music, and its just plain great > :). > > So, I don't know how much this is about the mics now, > but I noticed that you say you use a > > "empty-score" (a blank musical framework in the form > of pre-programmed midi sequences that I then play the > music into) > > I've been experimenting with this idea, and was > wondering, do you have the midi sequences as freely > callable tools at your disposal (i.e. non-sequentially > individually callable) or is the form locked in, and > it varies more by what you play each time into the > "empty-score". > > I was thinking through this idea with Kid Beyond over > the summer, as one of his songs, 'Cathedrals', is more > or less an empty score in ableton, that takes the > input material and midi clips it around to form the > song. At the far extreme you could even predeterimine > the song as one giant clip, which would require you to > know when to play what, but after you hit start, would > not require foot switching etc. > > This of course is an extreme, and would be very > limiting to amount of improvisation involved, but its > a neat to look all the way to the end of the spectrum. > I could also imagine a world, where composers of > "empty-scores" could share their scores with other > musicians, who could learn how to play them and come > up with entirely different music, that would still be > bound together to the fundamentals of the empty score > loop architecture. You could even write some stuff > down on a piece of paper, a "real" score to help an > artist learn your "empty" score. > > What seems cool about the idea is not so much the > codifying and reductionist thinking, but the concept > that through speaking a common language, people could > start sharing their architectures they've developed, > their empty scores, with eachother, allowing us to be > simultaneously loop players, of our own scores and > other's scores, but also loop composers, of scores to > share with other loop musicians. > > So, related to that idea, I was wondering, to you, or > anyone else who's been working with these ideas, how > much of your empty score is predetermined, and how > much is left flexible ussually? What types of things > do you program into those midi sequences (midiclips? > Do you use ableton?). Looping changes? Bringing back > old parts? Fade outs? Effects? > > I'm been working on this myself, using midiclips in > ableton, but I've been stuggleing with setting up the > architecture in a way that encourages creativity as > opposed to giving me either too much to think about, > or made me feel like I was playing in a box. > > Cheers, > Jesse > > > > --- Zoe Keating wrote: > >> *blush* thank ye! >> >> hey, we all start somewhere. and even if music can >> only be "hobby", >> it is no less valid. >> >> my first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so >> nervous i could hardly >> hold the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on >> tuesday (but not >> looping alas...). >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GHbuFlya4 >> >> >> On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: >> >>> By the way, I checked out your website & you're >> amazing. >>> >>> My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a >> humble >>> undertaking considering your accomplishments. >> >> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities > +for+kids&cs=bz > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 00:15:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F39D3BF5F; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--315137019 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: OT: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 20:15:44 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74812 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:15:48 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--315137019 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Um... hire a drummer. Tone colour altering won't make it soundless like a machine- the best way to do that is programming it closer to how a real drummer would play. Compression will take all the dynamics out of it- which is the exact opposite of what you want. Embrace its machininess, wallow in its machiniosity and make it a feature. If you want something cool to process drums, but a Sansamp PSA1 preamp. They have been a not so secret weapon of dozens of producers for years- awesome on kick and bass. I rackmounted a bunch of guitar pedals (Tubescreamer, Big Muff and a Danelectro Fabtone) a few years ago, made it fully balanced and put 120v power in there. I call it 'distorto rack'. I use it on drums all the time. Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Adam Hart wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm running a BOSS Dr 880 directly into my PA (Bose > LP1 tower). I am thinking that I want to compress the sound and > maybe warm it up a bit to make it sound less "machiney". Any > thoughts or advice as to how to process the sound before it hits my > PA? > > Thanks, > Adam --Apple-Mail-1--315137019 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Um... hire a drummer.
    Tone = colour=A0altering won't make it soundless like a machine- the best way = to do that is programming it closer to how a real drummer would = play.
    Compression will take all the dynamics out of it- which = is the exact opposite of what you want.

    Embrace its machininess, = wallow in its machiniosity and make it a feature.

    If you want something cool = to process drums, but a Sansamp PSA1 preamp.
    They have been a = not so secret weapon of dozens of producers for years- awesome on kick = and bass.

    I = rackmounted a bunch of guitar pedals (Tubescreamer, Big Muff and a = Danelectro Fabtone) a few years ago, made it fully balanced and put 120v = power in there.
    I call it 'distorto rack'.
    I use it = on drums all the time.

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 23, 2007, at 1:58 AM, Adam Hart = wrote:

    Hi everyone.=A0 I'm running a BOSS Dr 880 = directly into my PA (Bose LP1 tower).=A0 I am thinking that I want to = compress the sound and maybe warm it up a bit to make it sound less = "machiney".=A0 Any thoughts or advice as to how to process the sound = before it hits my PA?

    Thanks,
    To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: OT: previous post about true inexpensive tube preamps Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 18:07:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74813 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 01:06:54 +0000 (UTC) Somewhere in this forum, someone posted about the fact that the ART tube preamps (and other $100 realm single tube mic preamps) were only putting a small amount of the actual signal through the tube itself and so , were intrinsically misleading in the kind of 'warmth' that they might impart. In that post, the person said there was a really good tube preamp for around $200 I think they said (I believe it may even have been a stereo tube pre amp at that). Does any one remember that post or who made it. I can't seem to find it in the archives. I'm dying to know who makes this true inexpensive tube preamplifier. Anyone know the answer? I'd be very grateful (a beer bought at Y2k7?) yours, Rick Walker From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 03:36:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53093BF64; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_493e7158-0e9a-40f5-9eb7-242d839645d7_" X-Originating-IP: [66.53.218.87] From: max valentino To: Subject: RE: OT: previous post about true inexpensive tube preamps Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:36:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <019201c7fe47$450f6b40$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <019201c7fe47$450f6b40$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 03:36:18.0527 (UTC) FILETIME=[115F8EF0:01C7FE5C] Resent-Message-ID: <-9qmEB.A.D-.0Cz9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74814 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:36:20 +0000 (UTC) --_493e7158-0e9a-40f5-9eb7-242d839645d7_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick: If I remmeber correctly, the reference was to the PreSonus Blue Tube= Mic Pre. A very fine lil' preamp. Comes in two versions: a mono vesion (= around $100..maybe just a bit more) and stereo (which is double the price, = natch.). Of all the inexpensive tube pres I have tried this one really imp= ressed me. Sounded much better than the ART stuff...which always was abit= on the noisy side for me. From what I read the presonus has a circuit whi= ch feeds the tube (12ax7) a full voltage current and not the "starved plate= " variety found in many budget range tube gear. =20 For just a little bit more I would recommend the Groove Tubes Brick. =20 Max> Somewhere in this forum, someone posted about the fact that> the ART t= ube preamps (and other $100 realm single tube mic preamps)> were only putti= ng a small amount of the actual signal through the tube > itself> and so , = were intrinsically misleading in the kind of 'warmth' that they > might imp= art.> > In that post, the person said there was a really good tube preamp f= or> around $200 I think they said (I believe it may even have been a stereo= tube > pre amp> at that).> > Does any one remember that post or who made i= t. I can't seem to find it in > the archives.> > I'm dying to know who make= s this true inexpensive tube preamplifier.> > Anyone know the answer? I'd b= e very grateful (a beer bought at Y2k7?)> > yours, Rick Walker >=20 _________________________________________________________________ Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messenger Caf= =E9. http://www.cafemessenger.com?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_SeptWLtagline= --_493e7158-0e9a-40f5-9eb7-242d839645d7_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Rick:  If I remmeber correctly, the reference was to the PreSo= nus Blue Tube Mic Pre.  A very fine lil' preamp.  Comes in two ve= rsions: a mono vesion (around $100..maybe just a bit more) and stereo (whic= h is double the price, natch.).  Of all the inexpensive tube pres I ha= ve tried this one really impressed me.  Sounded much better than the A= RT stuff...which always was  abit on the noisy side for me.  From= what I read the presonus has a circuit which feeds the tube (12ax7) a full= voltage current and not the "starved plate" variety found in many budget r= ange tube gear.
     
    For just a little bit more I would recommend the Groove Tubes Brick.
     
    Max
    > Somewhere in this forum, someone posted about the fact that
    = > the ART tube preamps (and other $100 realm single tube mic preamps)> were only putting a small amount of the actual signal through the tub= e
    > itself
    > and so , were intrinsically misleading in the kin= d of 'warmth' that they
    > might impart.
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    > around $= 200 I think they said (I believe it may even have been a stereo tube
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    > at that).
    >
    > Does any one remember that po= st or who made it. I can't seem to find it in
    > the archives.
    >= ;
    > I'm dying to know who makes this true inexpensive tube preamplif= ier.
    >
    > Anyone know the answer? I'd be very grateful (a beer = bought at Y2k7?)
    >
    > yours, Rick Walker
    >


    Kick back and relax with hot games and cool activities at the Messen= ger Caf=E9.     Play now! = --_493e7158-0e9a-40f5-9eb7-242d839645d7_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 03:53:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F0013BF70; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:53:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:53:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0830_01C7FE2C.2E404AD0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74815 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 03:53:40 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0830_01C7FE2C.2E404AD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I read an audio review that suggested the RME Fireface 400 wasn't ideal = for guitar because it doesn't have a Hi-Z input for guitars and basses. = The RME Fireface 800 does, however, have a separate hi-z input for = guitar, which also has the speaker simulation, etc. Can someone describe what is special about a Hi-Z input for guitars? It = can be because it is the only type of input that will bring a guitar up = to a decent level, because I can easily take any mixer board line input = and adjust the trim so that the level is far above red line...so is = there something about the quality or circuitry of a hi-z input that a = line or mic input doesn't have? When I read the literature for the Firewire 400, it leads me to believe = that it will handle any type of input source, becaues of its = sophositication in dealing with them. >From the RME website on the FW400: "The Fireface 400's front panel features 2 balanced microphone inputs = with a digitally controlled input stage, individually switchable 48V = phantom power, and Neutrik Combo connectors for XLR and TRS. These can = also be used as additional line inputs. A pre amplification of up to 65 = dB, adjustable in steps of 1 dB over a range of 55 dB, exceptional EIN = performance even at low pre-amplification settings, and extremely low = THD+N let these preamps surpass those of other devices that cost several = times the price of the Fireface 400. All level settings are 100% = reproducible and can also be adjusted by software comfortably. Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely flexible balanced universal inputs. = Firstly, they operate exactly as inputs 5 to 8 on the rear and can be = adjusted to accept standard studio input levels (+4 dBu, LoGain). = Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 kOhm) to = Instrument (470 kOhm). An additional analog input amplification of up to = 18 dB (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's no = signal that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!" So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from = the line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar? Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0830_01C7FE2C.2E404AD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I read an audio review that suggested = the RME=20 Fireface 400 wasn't ideal for guitar because it doesn't have a Hi-Z = input for=20 guitars and basses. The RME Fireface 800 does, however, have a separate = hi-z=20 input for guitar, which also has the speaker simulation, = etc.
     
    Can someone describe what is special = about a Hi-Z=20 input for guitars? It can be because it is the only type of input that = will=20 bring a guitar up to a decent level, because I can easily take any mixer = board=20 line input and adjust the trim so that the level is far above red = line...so is=20 there something about the quality or circuitry of a hi-z input that a = line or=20 mic input doesn't have?
     
    When I read the literature for the Firewire 400, it leads me to = believe=20 that it will handle any type of input source, becaues of its = sophositication in=20 dealing with them.
     
    From the RME website on the FW400:
     
    "The Fireface 400's front panel features 2 balanced microphone = inputs with=20 a digitally controlled input stage, individually switchable 48V = phantom=20 power, and Neutrik Combo connectors for XLR and TRS. These can also be = used as=20 additional line inputs. A pre amplification of up to 65 = dB,=20 adjustable in steps of 1 dB over a range of 55 dB, exceptional EIN = performance=20 even at low pre-amplification settings, and extremely low THD+N let = these=20 preamps surpass those of other devices that cost several times the price = of the=20 Fireface 400. All level settings are 100% reproducible and can = also be=20 adjusted by software comfortably.

    Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely = flexible=20 balanced universal inputs. Firstly, they operate exactly as = inputs 5 to 8=20 on the rear and can be adjusted to accept standard studio input levels = (+4 dBu,=20 LoGain). Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 = kOhm) to=20 Instrument (470 kOhm). An additional analog input = amplification of up=20 to 18 dB (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's = no signal=20 that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!"
     
    So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, = from the=20 line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my=20 guitar?

    Kris
     
     
    ------=_NextPart_000_0830_01C7FE2C.2E404AD0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:07:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59D2E3BF75; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:07:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=39/UFTmY00e4zSoU2Ac78rQJ5CjQ0W5Z9jZv61+uqdw=; b=MVw6wfpbR5Q4ssUIbcSSnBfM4jsHFwV+TodZRMebhZS79IBj+N4p6ZyfDMlA/CIRVhJMKnRIef3bL2+aDO27FvTgrV3qA8T8Atinx6ujbMDSC10KbJq/F+NrilDz+4hYI2xQRoTZz2WRPkNm6iUN7IoDc5ucPQJTj2YUPjBlAkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=WSGIDMNqYgC3lf8irLQtmflZ1AypzU6ySW9UDa0l+nKMkmq2GjrmdF67jJLsKpJKc53ObYx0JSLUuwhg9p5p5ZkyyYNH1wGq2t3F7nAz1DAuNi7voQ+OioVJy6KYBvHwH3sob+SklTV3K86L4k0YaNeD3CJOIAMNsew2wTtzcYw= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:07:36 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs In-Reply-To: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37697_32176185.1190606856983" References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <3MW9aC.A.3EC.Kgz9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74816 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:07:38 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37697_32176185.1190606856983 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris - you'll get plenty of more-well-informed answers, I'm sure. But in the simple way that I understand it, hi-z refers to the high impedance value of the input. Matching impedance with an audio connection is important in order to get the best s/n ratio. A guitar's instrument-level signal is also a high impedance signal, and if you plug it into a jack designed *exclusively* for line level signals - you'll have a mismatch resulting in noise and/or bad signal degradation. A lot of devices now have inputs that claim to "adjust" impedance based on what's plugged in (and perhaps a switch setting on the device somewhere). Regardless, in my experience you will lose a lot of high end *and* low end if you plug a hi-z instrument into a low-z input. Sounds icky. :( Doug So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from the > line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar? > > Kris > > > ------=_Part_37697_32176185.1190606856983 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Kris - you'll get plenty of more-well-informed answers, I'm sure.  But in the simple way that I understand it, hi-z refers to the high impedance value of the input.  Matching impedance with an audio connection is important in order to get the best s/n ratio.  A guitar's instrument-level signal is also a high impedance signal, and if you plug it into a jack designed *exclusively* for line level signals - you'll have a mismatch resulting in noise and/or bad signal degradation.

    A lot of devices now have inputs that claim to "adjust" impedance based on what's plugged in (and perhaps a switch setting on the device somewhere). 

    Regardless, in my experience you will lose a lot of high end *and* low end if you plug a hi-z instrument into a low-z input.  Sounds icky. :(

    Doug

     

    So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from the line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar?

    Kris
     
     

    ------=_Part_37697_32176185.1190606856983-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:11:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF853BF6C; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=STptmk2zZiinuMnAJLLzEyfGbhPMfyJtH44+grMJaEM=; b=YSWJPUUbN2RSmQtB9exxvyO3edf9UfD5ZNQa0XfoC/Z5DYCbQ8z1xw/DgzzejmhfDdyLIWQXF8mh0lqerd34znMCb23LEVwrpFu34QbTKgiARbsBiP8pIK0vJkyA0Vr40TEvwtCO1K+z7Wu6ncbdIYUFxnLQjr43Hn2iXhdm5ww= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=FxYNxU3JUpHGA6pMZLHpfnS2pibbrFa2d9o9uaYQTxFhqI1jIOArwJwBYjANNzpwMoUCyoBnCfHRx/YxkuAx6ppJaLUHZW5h2vlrWBm7nANbvctCzqjjDYMhInoYU5RnIic8WcNvxHmFLz2aiO+1vS8rEJ1vNy1Zgqszmn8H5Fc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:11:10 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37700_20599758.1190607070286" References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: <6ER3B.A.8RC.fjz9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74817 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:11:11 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37700_20599758.1190607070286 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...and now I read the last paragraph :) ha! so, yeah - if that marketing literature is accurate, it's able to switch the impedance of the jacks for 3 and 4 with a switch. setting it for high-z and then setting the gain appropriately should be fine. ------=_Part_37700_20599758.1190607070286 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline ...and now I read the last paragraph :) ha!

    so, yeah - if that marketing literature is accurate, it's able to switch the impedance of the jacks for 3 and 4 with a switch.  setting it for high-z and then setting the gain appropriately should be fine.
    ------=_Part_37700_20599758.1190607070286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:16:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6DE63BF70; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <085401c7fe61$af45d2a0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:16:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0851_01C7FE2F.639A19B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7OOXg.A.mmC.hoz9GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74818 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:16:33 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0851_01C7FE2F.639A19B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Doug. You mean: "Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely flexible balanced universal inputs. = Firstly, they operate exactly as inputs 5 to 8 on the rear and can be = adjusted to accept standard studio input levels (+4 dBu, LoGain). = Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 kOhm) to = Instrument (470 kOhm). An additional analog input amplification of up to = 18 dB (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's no = signal that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!" So, is 470kOhm what you get from a hi-z? Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 ...and now I read the last paragraph :) ha! so, yeah - if that marketing literature is accurate, it's able to = switch the impedance of the jacks for 3 and 4 with a switch. setting it = for high-z and then setting the gain appropriately should be fine.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0851_01C7FE2F.639A19B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Thanks, Doug.
     
    You mean:
     
     "Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely = flexible=20 balanced universal inputs. Firstly, they operate exactly as = inputs 5 to 8=20 on the rear and can be adjusted to accept standard studio input levels = (+4 dBu,=20 LoGain). Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 = kOhm) to=20 Instrument (470 kOhm). An additional analog input = amplification of up=20 to 18 dB (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's = no signal=20 that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!"
     
    So, is 470kOhm what you get from a=20 hi-z?
     
    Kris
    ----- Original Message -----
     

    ...and now I read the last paragraph :) ha!

    so, = yeah -=20 if that marketing literature is accurate, it's able to switch the = impedance of=20 the jacks for 3 and 4 with a switch.  setting it for high-z and = then=20 setting the gain appropriately should be fine. =
    ------=_NextPart_000_0851_01C7FE2F.639A19B0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:16:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0BF243BF86; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:16:31 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74819 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > I read an audio review that suggested the RME Fireface 400 wasn't ideal > for guitar because it doesn't have a Hi-Z input for guitars and basses. > The RME Fireface 800 does, however, have a separate hi-z input for > guitar, which also has the speaker simulation, etc. At least in practical terms, this is incorrect. There are two high-z inputs conveniently located on the front of the box. > Can someone describe what is special about a Hi-Z input for guitars? It > can be because it is the only type of input that will bring a guitar up > to a decent level, because I can easily take any mixer board line input > and adjust the trim so that the level is far above red line...so is > there something about the quality or circuitry of a hi-z input that a > line or mic input doesn't have? I don't recall the details, but I believe that the impedance mismatch means that you lose fidelity, specifically you lose your upper end kind of like applying a low pass filter. It just doesn't sound very good with passive pickup levels without a high impedance input in my experience. The FW400 has two high impedance inputs though, so no problem. > When I read the literature for the Firewire 400, it leads me to believe > that it will handle any type of input source, becaues of its > sophositication in dealing with them. That has been my experience with the unit. It is very nice. > Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely flexible balanced *universal inputs*. > Firstly, they operate exactly as inputs 5 to 8 on the rear and can be > adjusted to accept standard studio input levels (+4 dBu, LoGain). > Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 kOhm) to > *Instrument (470 kOhm)*. An additional *analog input amplification of up > to 18 dB* (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's no > signal that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!" Yes, these two front inputs are nice for high impedance sources such as guitar. > So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from > the line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar? You can try it to find out since the FW400 has both types of inputs. My experience is that using the right type of input gives a clearer, cleaner, fuller range (frequency range) of sound. The FW400 is very nice in my experience. I don't use it for gigs right now, but I would like to do so in the future. Here is some more info that I just found with a simple google search. The whole page is interesting, and I will quote the most relevant part here: http://www.whirlwindusa.com/tech03.html "In order to preserve signal level and frequency response, it's important to drive equipment with a source signal that is lower in impedance than the destination equipment's input impedance. If the input impedance of a device is not significantly higher than the source impedance, the signal will be reduced or "loaded down" and its signal to noise ratio and frequency response will suffer." Peace, - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:17:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DD64F3BF80; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:17:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: RE: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:18:15 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c7fe61$edba2270$c92e6750$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01C7FE27.415B4A70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf+X8oj17JllN/NTrumOf7jGLDDIQAAV7Yw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D3c6a0d6200000999.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74820 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:17:31 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C7FE27.415B4A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Kris, Others may be able to explain it better than I , but the main issue with the instrument input is impedance, not gain. I believe that instrument gain is somewhere between mic and line. But a HiZ signal would be best served by a HiZ input so the impedance is matched. I've used a Summit Audio TD-100 which is a really nice pre/DI for guitar or bass. It has an adjustable input impedance. So you can hear how the tone is affected as you adjust the impedance to match the instrument's pickups. An impedance mismatch can remove the highs and "air". Perhaps if you are going for a jazz tone it may not be as critical. Same goes for using cables that are not of the proper impedance. I have an RME FF800, but actually haven't tried using the hiZ input since my Stick has 2 outputs and I have a nice small preamp that is designed for the Stick. But I'll give it just to hear what it sounds like. -Qua From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:54 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs I read an audio review that suggested the RME Fireface 400 wasn't ideal for guitar because it doesn't have a Hi-Z input for guitars and basses. The RME Fireface 800 does, however, have a separate hi-z input for guitar, which also has the speaker simulation, etc. Can someone describe what is special about a Hi-Z input for guitars? It can be because it is the only type of input that will bring a guitar up to a decent level, because I can easily take any mixer board line input and adjust the trim so that the level is far above red line...so is there something about the quality or circuitry of a hi-z input that a line or mic input doesn't have? When I read the literature for the Firewire 400, it leads me to believe that it will handle any type of input source, becaues of its sophositication in dealing with them. >From the RME website on the FW400: "The Fireface 400's front panel features 2 balanced microphone inputs with a digitally controlled input stage, individually switchable 48V phantom power, and Neutrik Combo connectors for XLR and TRS. These can also be used as additional line inputs. A pre amplification of up to 65 dB, adjustable in steps of 1 dB over a range of 55 dB, exceptional EIN performance even at low pre-amplification settings, and extremely low THD+N let these preamps surpass those of other devices that cost several times the price of the Fireface 400. All level settings are 100% reproducible and can also be adjusted by software comfortably. Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely flexible balanced universal inputs. Firstly, they operate exactly as inputs 5 to 8 on the rear and can be adjusted to accept standard studio input levels (+4 dBu, LoGain). Furthermore, the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 kOhm) to Instrument (470 kOhm). An additional analog input amplification of up to 18 dB (in steps of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's no signal that these inputs can't deal with perfectly!" So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from the line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar? Kris ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C7FE27.415B4A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Kris, 

    Others may be able to explain it better than I , but the = main issue with the instrument input is impedance, not gain.   I = believe that instrument gain is somewhere between mic and line.  But a HiZ = signal would be best served by a HiZ input so the impedance is = matched.   I’ve used a Summit Audio TD-100 which is a really nice pre/DI for guitar or bass.  It has an adjustable input impedance.  So you can hear = how the tone is affected as you adjust the impedance to match the = instrument’s pickups.   An impedance mismatch can remove the highs and = “air”.  Perhaps if you are going for a jazz tone it may not be as = critical.   Same goes for using cables that are not of the proper impedance.  =

     

    I have an RME FF800, but actually haven’t tried = using the hiZ input since my Stick has 2 outputs and I have a nice small preamp = that is designed for the Stick.   But I’ll give it just to hear = what it sounds like.

    -Qua

     

    From:= Krispen = Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net]
    Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:54 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z = inputs

     

    I read an audio review that suggested the RME Fireface 400 wasn't ideal = for guitar because it doesn't have a Hi-Z input for guitars and basses. The = RME Fireface 800 does, however, have a separate hi-z input for guitar, which = also has the speaker simulation, etc.

     

    Can someone describe what is special about a Hi-Z input for guitars? It can = be because it is the only type of input that will bring a guitar up to a = decent level, because I can easily take any mixer board line input and adjust = the trim so that the level is far above red line...so is there something about = the quality or circuitry of a hi-z input that a line or mic input doesn't = have?

     

    When I read the literature for the Firewire 400, it leads me to believe that = it will handle any type of input source, becaues of its sophositication in = dealing with them.

     

    From the RME website on the FW400:

     

    "The Fireface 400's front panel features 2 balanced microphone inputs with a = digitally controlled input stage, individually switchable 48V phantom power, = and Neutrik Combo connectors for XLR and TRS. These can also be used as = additional line inputs. A pre amplification of up to 65 dB, adjustable = in steps of 1 dB over a range of 55 dB, exceptional EIN performance even at low pre-amplification settings, and extremely low THD+N let these preamps = surpass those of other devices that cost several times the price of the Fireface = 400. All level settings are 100% reproducible and can also be adjusted = by software comfortably.

    Inputs 3 and 4 are extremely flexible balanced universal inputs. Firstly, they operate exactly as inputs 5 to 8 on the rear and can be = adjusted to accept standard studio input levels (+4 dBu, LoGain). Furthermore, = the input impedance can be switched from Line (10 kOhm) to Instrument (470 = kOhm). An additional analog input amplification of up to 18 dB (in steps = of 0.5 dB) is also available. In short: There's no signal that these inputs = can't deal with perfectly!"

     

    So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, from the = line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on my guitar?

    Kris

     

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C7FE27.415B4A70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:19:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1EB183BF86; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:19:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74821 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:19:39 +0000 (UTC) Excellent. Thanks, Sam and Doug. I think my concerns are resolved. Now why doesn't the manual for the FW400 just say what you guys say? I'm still bummed that the FW400 doesn't have the amp simulation of the FW800's hi-z input. Oh well. Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:25:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B64B03BF86; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:25:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <088e01c7fe62$e5122450$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:25:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74822 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:25:13 +0000 (UTC) http://www.rme-audio.de/images/products/products_fireface_400_6b.jpg I'm just a paranoid, gear head schizophrenic. Inputs 3 and 4 say instrument/line. Sorry to waste everyone's time...but the discussion on the difference between hi-z and line was informative for me. K- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:26:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979633BF7B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:26:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=QB45aIA7qNHGinAHOCKKxth/ePPC3lPYbIBrU+s86ms=; b=SB4XFf3Mk8+WYviu+I9B49hyFthbrg6/0zcO0cKmA4CYDAJy5egIeaDeEhCjOHNFa0Rutf9txkg8H93nfjKj0OVbg6jP0Zz/novyH0vVqnUPONiOGodtetnPFwu+FJo5ZTv/Uo5XOFUXQCQpuMZrXjGkFWbTRux4yaTjvMDpVfo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lYBFEhJuIeRv5qSWduFz1x1OGZ7YsES6DT3OeQ6vbDKT8d58Xc5kUsvLh+RN7XEH3ms/fsPmSKo2Zs0q2wLNi6I9lG+dHGIhB61QiJ2TW09obrc991pDKP+WNNLUe98vRbgodyHZl/dbb50xjsnkxQtZQqT8jFItsQL9yJ9M5nc= Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 23:26:54 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs In-Reply-To: <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_37726_28333815.1190608014358" References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74823 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:26:55 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_37726_28333815.1190608014358 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You don't want that anyway, Kris :) Seriously though, even a VST like Boogex will sound better and have more options. Of course, I have no data to back that up - but I've never had any sort of satisfying experience with amp sims on a device that wasn't really focused on being an amp sim. On 9/23/07, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > Excellent. Thanks, Sam and Doug. I think my concerns are resolved. Now why > doesn't the manual for the FW400 just say what you guys say? I'm still > bummed that the FW400 doesn't have the amp simulation of the FW800's hi-z > input. Oh well. > > Kris > > ------=_Part_37726_28333815.1190608014358 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline You don't want that anyway, Kris :) 

    Seriously though, even a VST like Boogex will sound better and have more options.  Of course, I have no data to back that up - but I've never had any sort of satisfying experience with amp sims on a device that wasn't really focused on being an amp sim. 


    On 9/23/07, Krispen Hartung <khartung@cableone.net> wrote:
    Excellent. Thanks, Sam and Doug. I think my concerns are resolved. Now why
    doesn't the manual for the FW400 just say what you guys say? I'm still
    bummed that the FW400 doesn't have the amp simulation of the FW800's hi-z
    input. Oh well.

    Kris


    ------=_Part_37726_28333815.1190608014358-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:39:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D508C3BF8D; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:39:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <08a901c7fe64$d33662d0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 22:38:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08A2_01C7FE32.82E25780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74824 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:39:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_08A2_01C7FE32.82E25780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sure you are correct, Doug. The Boogex kicks butt and I will = continue using it even with the FW400. I just can't believe that VST is = free. I started recording potential tracks for another CD yesterday = evening, pure electric jazz guitar looping, no effects but a bit of = reverb. I was directly into my laptop's sound card, into max, Boogex, = into my max/looper, and out. I'm still amazed at how that VST sounds so = close to all the tube and SS jazz combo amps I've used in the past. I = should be completely blown away with Boogex and FW400.=20 Kris ----- Original Message -----=20 You don't want that anyway, Kris :) =20 Seriously though, even a VST like Boogex will sound better and have = more options. Of course, I have no data to back that up - but I've = never had any sort of satisfying experience with amp sims on a device = that wasn't really focused on being an amp sim. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_08A2_01C7FE32.82E25780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I'm sure you are correct, Doug. The = Boogex kicks=20 butt and I will continue using it even with the FW400. I just can't = believe that=20 VST is free. I started recording potential tracks for another = CD=20 yesterday evening, pure electric jazz guitar looping, no effects but a = bit of=20 reverb. I was directly into my laptop's sound card, into max, Boogex, = into my=20 max/looper, and out. I'm still amazed at how that VST sounds so close to = all the=20 tube and SS jazz combo amps I've used in the past. I should be = completely blown=20 away with Boogex and FW400.
     
    Kris
     
    ----- Original Message -----
     

    You don't want that anyway, Kris :)  =

    Seriously=20 though, even a VST like Boogex will sound better and have more = options. =20 Of course, I have no data to back that up - but I've never had any = sort of=20 satisfying experience with amp sims on a device that wasn't really = focused on=20 being an amp sim. 
    ------=_NextPart_000_08A2_01C7FE32.82E25780-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:57:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 84B583BF93; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F743B5.6040303@servingpeace.com> Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:57:25 -0700 From: Sam Nilsson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <085401c7fe61$af45d2a0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <085401c7fe61$af45d2a0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <-PgocC.A.4jE.3O09GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74825 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > So, is 470kOhm what you get from a hi-z? 470kOhm is a common impedance for high-z inputs. I don't know what impedance a passive electric guitar will have. It might depend on the pickups and pots etc. - Sam From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 04:58:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B0DD3BF92; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,289,1186322400"; d="scan'208";a="76480514" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:52:31 +1000 Message-ID: <9C151BE24B28B54D870B5F89BD87EBCE9BDD8A@aaunsw745.au.cbainet.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: problem w/live looping using mic Thread-Index: Acf9OP+LQiQHINCiRDq3qAtF7oNsbgBLXtPA From: "Sowonja, Tomson" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 04:52:31.0783 (UTC) FILETIME=[B73F0B70:01C7FE66] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74826 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:57:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Chris,=20 I also use a headrush in my guitar pedal board. The headrush has an "effect out" which will split the loop out from the rest of the signal for you.=20 Cheers Tom=20 -----Original Message----- From: Chris D'Errico [mailto:clderrico@hotmail.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, 23 September 2007 2:53 AM To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: problem w/live looping using mic > i separate out my live sound from the looped sound and send the house> > 3 inputs (loops L&R, and the cello). this allows them to turn your>=20 > live sound up, without turning up the loops and vice versa.> Thanks for your input, Zoe-- all good points. I'm not sure how I'd separate the sound in my case, though. My set-up is rather simple (which is good for me!): I use one single mike to sing live through & to do loops through. No house mic (PA mic), & so the sound is all mixed together into one channel. That also helps to prevent feedback-- no other live mic hanging out there in front of me. Also my looper is a simple one (Akai Headrush), don't know how I'd separate the sound with that. But I guess the bottom line is that I need to do whatever possible to make sure the least amount of sound leaks into my mic during loop recording. Unfortunately, that can be a very difficult task. By the way, I checked out your website & you're amazing.=20 My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a humble undertaking considering your accomplishments. =20 Chris D. Las Vegas, Nevada _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever - Get MORE with Windows Live(tm) Hotmail(r). 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Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or com= mitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiar= ies.=20 We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au.=20 If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, pl= ease reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line.=20 ************************************************************** From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 05:03:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A8A293BF97; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:03:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cavesofice.org Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: burnett@pobox.com X-X-Sender: badger@giggles.cavesofice.org To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: more looped tuba Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74827 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 05:03:16 +0000 (UTC) My tuba player friend David and I have some more looped and processed ambient tuba to share from our Ouroboros project http://www.subscapeannex.com/ouroboros/ "Roaming the Outer Dark" - Ominous drone suitable for discovering aliens in derelict spaceships. 13min18sec. http://www.subscapeannex.com/tuba/roaming_the_outer_dark.mp3 best, Steve B Subscape Annex http://www.subscapeannex.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 06:44:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C0B453BF4E; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:44:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F76B79.7000807@imt.net> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 00:47:05 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: a few ricochetdream montana gathering photos References: <5316106.1189590261334.JavaMail.root@m11> <46F66659.1080208@soundscapes.us> In-Reply-To: <46F66659.1080208@soundscapes.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74828 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 06:44:49 +0000 (UTC) A great blessing all the way around. So honored to get to meet all of the people there. We don't get much electronic music stuff around Bozeman, MT of quality...not to mention people of this calibre. Working on more stands along the way the past few days and next time any of you roll into town we should have another dozen or so machines up ready for action :-). I'm trying to recall WHO told me to get a Juno6. I think it was Daniel from Poland maybe... I just scored one for $221 on good 'ol ebay yesterday with a minor problem with the bender it sounds like. So I should get to hear it later this week or so! And soon all the construction should cease and we can get this mongo-plex into action and either get some great music done or bring down the power grid :-) Blessings, -Bob Bill Fox wrote: > Bob Weigel wrote: > >> On my http://sounddoctorin.com site. Go down to 'some photos of >> interest' > > I might point out the serendipity of the Ricochet Gathering being held > in Bozeman, Montana and how it took only one afternoon of intensive > searching for a way to fix Józef Skrzek's (Poland) minimoog to run > into Bob who took us under his wing, showed us (and let us play) his > fabulous vintage synth collection, and fix the minimoog by midnight. > A trip that started as a disaster for Józef was saved by Bob. Two > days after the week-long Gathering, Józef played his minimoog in a > concert held at the Acropolis (Athens). > > Cheers, > > Bill > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 07:34:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 024A53BEDF; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=dCKXaaytLrISv8Fjt1qtVKFl6lAqSW5NjpM27oK8siA=; b=koJ64jjs0B3jFWrdAXpgD+QxnslAdjwOcChJCZfRrb0dB9QMiift5HF2TOhpj0rVvzWZCG8R+Sbfgz4W0UZR/fWeFSposRE5pFWzqJGClPmkRbDP6+XotQLoLg21Op/z4wEmP/n3BAq06lhb0JhwTp60J+8tTkJYUKzaAOROAUM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=UIZhY/tigyv9mrdT5W+BR8kpumxHY3KkQnmIPjAjkP+K3LvHDhQlkSqMzV6RiYPvNL8wODNI2NBrwVG8Fo6t3c0+Wq0Xx0txGOsSRf/EvAe7vW5LpYucW9mS5JkL1zGe/4742zM22/uzc7q7cSkyO1L8QhvU555hueW/3eHSeko= In-Reply-To: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2B02544C-009B-4149-A2C9-A29862EBD11B@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:34:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74829 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:34:20 +0000 (UTC) On 24 sep 2007, at 05.53, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Can someone describe what is special about a Hi-Z input for guitars? No. RME is not specifying exactly what they mean by "Hi-Z input" anywhere. I've had this discussion on several other fora. So you would have to actually measure the levels to find out. > So what will a hi-z give me that will make any audible difference, > from the line input of the FW 400 adjusted to the correct level on > my guitar? Don't know. I usually trust my ears and my taste for adjusting sound. I've found the FW400 to easily match any guitar input, I'v used both humbuckers and singel-coils with it. It's very important for the final guitar sound to adjust the pre amp level correctly and this is very easy with the software control interface of RME. There's a lot of headroom. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 07:42:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9036E3BF34; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=LRFpIJ/3fuN2OMpIwyCjGhY4G8Fu0JqMzeocytiXfz0=; b=CKXaxwAjtx4ytrN+MqCSbYrFs7kN6VRi4NPjSpkyV+CWcF5fM8oNEx+abGphhm3y01tIDPAAIafvXdPYYId/DRMi2GGNoOAS2cPQCIwKk4/8gG1IndjjzrLdcov+PJIn07QPKCOHAwwAJqmn8QS/F2w67ZE2lZBwgrOIJG9GFPQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZmQCTxYH5U+BpJgGSG70eijIHY5D5kVFcOXbz5qZN7SJcR1Z4QaiIvD6JIprfmM1e9ULb9uW779LxcxWkXS4Ozw1FR7YH5xPas7Xnxa9Cl7PGzHTFTXj0L6/S4+vE0CKrAgKi0UahyOY/s9Sav2qs/SNcJQr3aUAF3fOBgC4Sgc= In-Reply-To: <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9A3AB221-B972-493C-920B-C7C6A2C1C246@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:42:45 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8hhPg.A.WTB.6p29GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74830 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:42:51 +0000 (UTC) On 24 sep 2007, at 06.19, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm still bummed that the FW400 doesn't have the amp simulation of > the FW800's hi-z input. Why? Is the amp simulation of the FW800 good? Most devices with amp simulation I have tested sound much better if with the amp simulation disabled. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 07:45:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9E76D3BF50; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 615663868-mk-filter-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.162.55 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAP8H90ZPQqI3/2dsb2JhbACCJqJ+ Message-ID: <46F76B21.2050506@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:45:37 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: previous post about true inexpensive tube preamps References: <019201c7fe47$450f6b40$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74831 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:45:28 +0000 (UTC) > always was abit on the noisy side for me. From what I read the > presonus has a circuit which feeds the tube (12ax7) a full voltage > current and not the "starved plate" variety found in many budget range > tube gear. afaik the difference between a budget tube pre, and a "genuine" tube pre is this. The budget model uses a regular pre-amp circuit , then passes the signal through a tube stage, usually a 12ax7 ( in UK speak thats an ECC 83 ). The "genuine article" uses a valve (perhaps a specially designed pentode) to do the pre-amplification. I don't know how much running at low voltage (starved plate?) affects the sound of a valve stage, it probably reduces the signal to noise value, but that wouldn't be significant if the valve isn't used to do a lot of amplification. (which in the cheap units, it isn't, it's just there to color the sound). ( and the valve will last for ever at low voltage ) Genuine valve pres are tend to be a bit on the noisy side compared to an equivalent transistor unit. Conclusion A "real valve pre-amp" isn't likely to be cheap, and any sonic advantage sends to come a the expense of a bit of extra noise. In a budget design it's the quality of the transistor parts which is likely to be significant. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 08:36:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 46B3A3BF50; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:36:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--285081286 Message-Id: <1FC753E8-90FA-4756-AF40-6A2102F0B1A0@blueyonder.co.uk> From: The woodshed Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:36:39 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74832 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:36:44 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1--285081286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed hi there I do a sort of similar thing. I set ableton to loop at various preset intervals during the performance, sometimes I will not know when exactly I am going to be looped. I do this by internally routing Abletons midi sequencer via IAC to record clips-simple method, route the midi, choose the clip to be controlled set to midi learn press play. The lengths and playback are all drawn by hand or played into to the sequencer. The sampler is also used, loops recorded are automatically mapped and pitch, playback frequency sample start are all pre 'drawn'. Using Kontakt it should theoretically be possible to have the played material harmonised by using the time machine algorithm, play a "C" map draw C E G into the sequencer, although I am not sure if this can be completely automated. Effects are also controlled this way. One improvisation is in the form of a suite, the looping ' blank' structure is one minute long and repeated eight times separated by short short ten second gaps. One can even loop and sample structures.... The overall structure tends to follow a rather basic arch shape, parts and loops are brought back, played as cannons, transposed, cut up with automated beat slicers reversed bussed into separate fx sends, complexity increases in the middle and decreases towards the end. I play in time by using a visual click when I want the loops to play in sync with me or follow intended rhythmic ratios ( I cross rhythms such as 5 against 6 etc by detuning the sample recorded loops) or completely free for more ambient or chaotic pieces. It is interesting as the computer becomes like another player to perform with, and the performer can completely forget about the technical side of the looping process. hope to build an analog machine that will remove the laptop from the equation, but some sort of midi sequencer is essential. I have used this on a john Cage prepared Rhodes piano with some success, but have had problems with acoustic pianos and PA's. One thing I did recently at a local school I sometimes teach was have some young school children control the looping, fx. and mixing of a live piano improvisation (mic and looping an acoustic piano- what a nightmare) via midi linked playstation controllers. Kids were like a lagged white noise mod source, with the emphasis on noise..:) leon > So, related to that idea, I was wondering, to you, or > anyone else who's been working with these ideas, how > much of your empty score is predetermined, and how > much is left flexible ussually? What types of things > do you program into those midi sequences (midiclips? > Do you use ableton?). Looping changes? Bringing back > old parts? Fade outs? Effects? --Apple-Mail-1--285081286 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    hi there

    I do a sort of similar thing. I = set ableton to loop at various preset intervals during the performance, = sometimes I will not know when exactly I am going to be looped. I do = this by internally routing Abletons midi sequencer via IAC to record = clips-simple method, route the midi, choose the clip to be controlled = set to midi learn press play. The lengths and playback are all drawn by = hand or played into to the sequencer. The sampler is also used, loops = recorded are automatically mapped and pitch, playback frequency sample = start are all pre 'drawn'. Using Kontakt it should theoretically be = possible to have the played material harmonised by using the time = machine algorithm, play a "C" map draw C E G into the sequencer, = although I am not sure if this can be completely automated. =A0Effects = are also controlled this way. One improvisation is in the form of a = suite, the looping ' blank' structure is one minute long and repeated = eight times separated by short short ten second gaps. One can even loop = and sample structures....
    =A0The overall structure tends to follow a = rather basic arch shape, parts and loops are brought back, played as = cannons, transposed, cut up with automated beat slicers reversed bussed = into separate fx sends, complexity increases in the middle and decreases = towards the end. I play in time by using a visual click when I want the = loops to play in sync with me or follow intended rhythmic ratios ( I = cross=A0 rhythms such as 5 against 6 etc by detuning the sample recorded = loops) or completely free for more ambient or chaotic pieces. It is = interesting as the computer becomes like another player to perform with, = and the performer can completely forget about the technical side of the = looping process. hope to build an analog machine that will remove the = laptop from the equation, but some sort of midi sequencer is essential. = I have used this on a john Cage prepared Rhodes piano with some success, = but have had problems with acoustic pianos and PA's.=A0


    One thing I did recently at = a local school I sometimes teach was have some young school children = control the looping, fx. and mixing of a live piano improvisation (mic = and looping an acoustic piano- what a nightmare) via midi linked = playstation controllers. Kids were like a lagged white noise mod source, = with the emphasis on noise..:)=A0

    leon


    So, related to that idea, I = was wondering, to you, or

    anyone else who's been working with these ideas, = how

    much of = your empty score is predetermined, and how

    much is left flexible ussually? What = types of things

    do you program into those midi sequences = (midiclips?

    Do you use ableton?). Looping changes? Bringing = back

    old = parts? Fade outs? Effects?

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-1--285081286-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 08:37:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 505213BF4D; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:37:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: fc300 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74833 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Just been flicking through the manual for roland's new pedal, doesn't seem very impressive. The midi channel seems to be set globally and the unit is nearly as wide as the FCB1010, being shorter by the width of the end exp pedal. In addition, changing from preset 5 to 6 involves 2 presses, since the two banks of 5 share the same pedals. Hmmm. There are inputs for 3 more exp pedals - I wish they had offered the pedals as optional upgrades - firstly some people don't use/need them and secondly it's useful to position the pedals on the other end of the board, or even away from it (eg for a wah pedal at the front of the stage). http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_07-18562/FC-300_e1.pdf What we need is massive sales of the gordius units, allowing production of an "impoverished musician" version ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 09:15:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70BE83BF39; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F781BF.1070607@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:22:07 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <085401c7fe61$af45d2a0$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F743B5.6040303@servingpeace.com> In-Reply-To: <46F743B5.6040303@servingpeace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74834 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:15:12 +0000 (UTC) Sam Nilsson wrote: > Krispen Hartung wrote: > >> So, is 470kOhm what you get from a hi-z? > > > 470kOhm is a common impedance for high-z inputs. I don't know what > impedance a passive electric guitar will have. It might depend on the > pickups and pots etc. > > - Sam Yup, 470Kohm shouldn't present any problems with the vast majority of passive single coils or humbuckers. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 09:36:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DDF213BF3E; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F786C4.30306@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:43:32 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight Subject: OT: Morphing using Vortex vs TSR-24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74835 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:36:36 +0000 (UTC) I noticed some in here use the TSR-24, as well as some using the Vortex. My TSR-24 will have dual DSP's this week, which will enable ring-out and ramp-up, allowing some 'morphing' between effects. However, I'm considering a Vortex for it's unique effects and AFAIU smooth morphing. I'd like comments on differences between using the TSR-24 to do some morphing-like effects vs using the Vortex. Also comments on tonal quality and which specialties may be had only with the Vortex, or rather, is hard to build with other gear. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 11:23:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ECF8C3BF32; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=qKdxpp38Mm5ScOPw8Bj9uWyth5aJ/WJyaX9PDHv/gVhIWQo0uJZio3ggC8FuPdtZB6hmGpmiJv56zOag1lfp6CsFb7J0ebsKXObcD/PujlmwvE8dO4bLa5S1v70hLc5lDwrbD3dUmnKapmYTLP1ZOVzAfjjI6MihHV4L3bhFoas=; X-YMail-OSG: dkZTliYVM1l.ENAWmiBGDh2i3oODTbLMt7hwg7kkYhW8cxu5L9CukEKmeoaCEntOAfgCLi2JkG2lsPFYxCRlsVEk9MnL0v2pPz0ojERAjQwyeGPgFGe6hPPOS20BoxJAyfffNgYb3e3EYC7EK0LEHOfssw-- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 04:23:00 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6945824B-DBC6-43B0-BBAE-3E12C63FD9B1@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <454831.28316.qm@web56910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74836 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 11:23:01 +0000 (UTC) Hey Zoe, Thanks for the detailed response, I found it really interesting and I'm sure a lot of other people did too. So, its great to see a musician out there doing this kind of thing, because its something I'm really interested in trying out, and its good to see that it can actually work, and even, dare I say it, be liberating or inspiring. I do have one more question, I'm based off of Ableton as well, as I'm sure a lot of people are, and I was just wondering, for the basic mechanism of triggering ableton clips/cues with midi clips, how are you doing that? Are you routing them back into ableton through a Midiyoke or similar internal midi cable, or is there a way to actually do that easily from within Live? I've been using that method, with moderate success, and a few infinite midi feedbacks from time to time, accidentally taking midi in on the channel I send it out. Thanks! Jesse Oh, and I very much relate to what you were saying about a piece being new each time you play it, and even though I'm not a classical musician, i do get a bit of a kick at looking at all this through that type of lense, the "empty score" metaphor really makes sense to me. --- Zoe Keating wrote: > let's see...i started using the "empty score" > analogy as a neat way > to describe this techie stuff to classical music > people in a way they > understand. i do think of it that way, that a > sequence of midi > commands IS a score, just in a different format. > > anyway, the technique is similar to what kid beyond > is doing in that > we're both using midi clips within ableton live to > control recording > and playback. > > differences: > 1) in addition to ableton, i have 2 multi-track > hardware loopers to > quickly create amorphous and layered loops > 2) the "empty scores" are constructed of modules. > each module is a > sequence of midi commands (anything really: record > on track 2 for > four bars then fade out track 1 over the course of 8 > bars; start > playing loopB on track 3 and stop all the other > loops 4 bars later; > etc.). > 3) the structure of a piece can be a bit like a > choose-your-own- > adventure novels. each module i can trigger with my > feet, or have it > be triggered by another musical event, or string > batches of them > together in another module. i can therefore change > the order of > events quite easily. or arrest the sequencing and > move to manual > foot control if i'm feeling like improvising the > rest of the > structure. i > 4) some of the the compositions are > that..."composed"...and so i have > the computer execute batches of modules in a certain > order. obviously > every performance is still different because i am > not a machine so > the arrangements can be quite varied if i use a > different bowing > style, etc. i can always arrest the progression with > my feet and > switch into manual mode. for example, in one of my > recent pieces i > play a long, solo composition on the cello. > meanwhile, i have the > computer silently sample segments of it in the > background. then, 3 > minutes in, i press a foot pedal and BANG, a whole > orchestra comes in > made up of all the sampled phrases. > > i've gotten pretty fluid with the programming and > the execution to > the point that now this setup is extremely freeing. > i can move > seamlessly between structured and improvised bits > and i can so do > much more than i could do before. most importantly i > don't have to be > linear which seemed to me one of the limitations of > lets-build-layers- > on-top-of-layers-looping. i still use that technique > ad nauseam of > course, but its nice to have a bit more musical > freedom. > > also, i don't know if this is relevant, but i don't > really make a > distinction between improvised and composed parts. > and i don't find > the idea of a 'score' or 'structure' to be limiting > since nearly > everything i do is about working within well defined > boundaries, > maybe this is the classical musician in me. playing > exactly the same > composition, 4 days in a row...is no different to me > than > improvisation. i mean, each day is different and i > am not > experiencing the same things the same way every day. > so the music > will mean whatever it does at that particular > moment, a moment which > can never be duplicated. don't know if that makes > sense. but whether > or not i choose to improvise in the middle of a > composition, is also > about what is happening right at that moment. i'm > happy to have > finally found a method of playing that allows me to > do that. > > one of my favorite "games" to play now is to take an > empty score of a > particular composition, and then play different > music into it. the > computer takes care of the arrangement and i just > improvise and see > what happens. it's kind of like back in 2000 when i > first started > playing at afterparties. i would play and my > electronic music friends > would sample and manipulate me, and then i would > react to that. but > now I AM IN CONTROL...HA HA HA (fade evil laughter) > > i'm sure other people are doing this too. > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:37 AM, J E wrote: > > > Hey Zoe, > > > > Not to make you blush more, but I've got to second > the > > awesomeness comment. More than just impressed, I > went > > and checked out your music, and its just plain > great > > :). > > > > So, I don't know how much this is about the mics > now, > > but I noticed that you say you use a > > > > "empty-score" (a blank musical framework in the > form > > of pre-programmed midi sequences that I then play > the > > music into) > > > > I've been experimenting with this idea, and was > > wondering, do you have the midi sequences as > freely > > callable tools at your disposal (i.e. > non-sequentially > > individually callable) or is the form locked in, > and > > it varies more by what you play each time into the > > "empty-score". > > > > I was thinking through this idea with Kid Beyond > over > > the summer, as one of his songs, 'Cathedrals', is > more > > or less an empty score in ableton, that takes the > > input material and midi clips it around to form > the > > song. At the far extreme you could even > predeterimine > > the song as one giant clip, which would require > you to > > know when to play what, but after you hit start, > would > > not require foot switching etc. > > > > This of course is an extreme, and would be very > > limiting to amount of improvisation involved, but > its > > a neat to look all the way to the end of the > spectrum. > > I could also imagine a world, where composers of > > "empty-scores" could share their scores with other > > musicians, who could learn how to play them and > come > > up with entirely different music, that would still > be > > bound together to the fundamentals of the empty > score > > loop architecture. You could even write some stuff > > down on a piece of paper, a "real" score to help > an > > artist learn your "empty" score. > > > > What seems cool about the idea is not so much the > > codifying and reductionist thinking, but the > concept > > that through speaking a common language, people > could > > start sharing their architectures they've > developed, > > their empty scores, with eachother, allowing us to > be > > simultaneously loop players, of our own scores and > > other's scores, but also loop composers, of scores > to > > share with other loop musicians. > > > > So, related to that idea, I was wondering, to you, > or > > anyone else who's been working with these ideas, > how > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:34:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2794F3BF14; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:21:46 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? To: Rick Walker , Adam Hart , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Message-id: <007201c7feaf$c9231540$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74837 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:34:34 +0000 (UTC) Adam Hart wrote: > Any thoughts or advice as to how to process > the [drum machine] sound before it hits my PA?"" ...to which Rick Walker replied with some of the best advice you'll find anywhere. I would humbly add the following: 1) Rick wrote: > remember that drummers tend to have one hand stronger than another hand. When I program prominent fills on snare or toms, I often take the time to set up two different pads for each drum - a "left hand" pad and a "right hand" pad. The left will be marginally softer and tuned marginally differently. I will also offset the left hand so it's just a bit slower (2%-5%) than a perfect subdivision of the beat. Sounds human to me! 2) Another "humanizing" trick is to record the bass and ride (cymbal/hi-hat) WITH quantization, and the snare WITHOUT. 3) Pull out some CDs with great drum tracks and A/B your patterns. Tune, tune, tune those drums to match what you hear. Balance, balance, balance too. 4) Overlay multiple drums with very slight offsets to get more reality. My favorite "sandwich" is a piccolo snare tuned down a bit for snap, a timbale for ring, and a way down-tuned deep snare, mixed very softly, for snare rattle. 5) Don't pan too hard left or right. I only have two tunes on my web site, but they both have drum machine tracks. Here are links: http://www.thecoyote.org/index.cfm?go=1&component=music-download&id=173686 http://www.thecoyote.org/index.cfm?go=1&component=music-download&id=105737 No, they're not looping tracks, so sue me for off-topic content ;-) Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:39:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CC0E3BF29; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:39:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 674379722 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:39:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72053FD138@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Thread-Index: Acf+sETWhPysKQK1Tw+Hp5ogrtog4w== References: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 13:39:04.0642 (UTC) FILETIME=[460EC220:01C7FEB0] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74838 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:39:06 +0000 (UTC) >>I have found seven things that can make a drum machine sound more organic and effective in live music.<< [snip] rick, that's a cut-out-&-keep post.=20 everything you suggest is useful & potentially very valuable for the beginner or the seasoned programmer. I don't think I've seen a better or more concise collection of tips on drum-programming, & I've read interviews & clinic-transcriptions by warren cann, stewart copeland & many others. good work, sir. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 13:48:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 979233BF2D; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:38:59 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: OT: previous post about true inexpensive tube preamps To: max valentino , loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <007e01c7feb1$c5b098e0$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_1I/sM5q3fGGJX+p9AsiyVQ)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74839 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:48:52 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_1I/sM5q3fGGJX+p9AsiyVQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT A quick comment on the ART Tube MP Studio Mic preamp and it's starved plate tube usage: I opened up one of these puppies, and had an assistant (with very reliable ears) pop in about 40 different 12AX7s, 12AT7s, 12AY7's, etc. and write comments on the differing tonal qualities. These were everything from brand new Chinese tubes to old used Phillips, RCA, Radio Shack, whatever. The results were wide ranging (from very bright, hot, full, to okay, flat, to warm, dull, noisy, etc.) and had nothing to do with the brand of tube. So the tube WAS making a signifigant contribution to the tone, even if it is running in a starved plate configuration. When I can afford to buy another tube pre that runs at full, hot voltage, I will make the same test and see what the difference is. In the meantime, I say "use your ears." The ART Tube MP Studio Mic preamp, at $30 from Musicians Friend, is a bargain of a preamp that also compresses/limits well, provides 48 volt phantom power and adds a very discernable coloration BASED ON THE QUALITY OF THE TUBE. Just be really careful in your tube swapping - the multi-wire ribbons that connect the tube board to the main circuit board broke as I began phase 2 of my test. But at $30 a pop, I may not even repair it. I'll just buy another. Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large www.thecoyote.org coyotelk@optonline.net "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm --Boundary_(ID_1I/sM5q3fGGJX+p9AsiyVQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
    A quick comment on the ART Tube MP Studio Mic preamp and it's starved plate tube usage:
    I opened up one of these puppies, and had an assistant (with very reliable ears) pop in about 40 different 12AX7s, 12AT7s, 12AY7's, etc. and write comments on the differing tonal qualities. These were everything from brand new Chinese tubes to old used Phillips, RCA, Radio Shack, whatever. The results were wide ranging (from very bright, hot, full, to okay, flat, to warm, dull, noisy, etc.) and had nothing to do with the brand of tube. So the tube WAS making a signifigant contribution to the tone, even if it is running in a starved plate configuration.
     
    When I can afford to buy another tube pre that runs at full, hot voltage, I will make the same test and see what the difference is. In the meantime, I say "use your ears." The ART Tube MP Studio Mic preamp, at $30 from Musicians Friend, is a bargain of a preamp that also compresses/limits well, provides 48 volt phantom power and adds a very discernable coloration BASED ON THE QUALITY OF THE TUBE.
     
    Just be really careful in your tube swapping - the multi-wire ribbons that connect the tube board to the main circuit board broke as I began phase 2 of my test. But at $30 a pop, I may not even repair it. I'll just buy another.
     
    Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large
    www.thecoyote.org
    coyotelk@optonline.net
     
    "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality."        
    - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm
    --Boundary_(ID_1I/sM5q3fGGJX+p9AsiyVQ)-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:01:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D94D3BF18; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "William Edmondson" To: References: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <007201c7feaf$c9231540$261bbe18@oemcomputer> Subject: RE: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:00:50 -0400 Message-ID: <003d01c7feb3$50a6d3a0$6401a8c0@F52F2867C1364CC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <007201c7feaf$c9231540$261bbe18@oemcomputer> thread-index: Acf+r6VWwBN6UboESZiI14MkZH1ZVQAA6Swg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74840 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Nice job! > -----Original Message----- > From: Douglas Baldwin [mailto:coyotelk@optonline.net] > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 9:22 AM > To: Rick Walker; Adam Hart; LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting) > Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? > > Adam Hart wrote: > > Any thoughts or advice as to how to process > > the [drum machine] sound before it hits my PA?"" > > ...to which Rick Walker replied with some of the best advice you'll find > anywhere. > I would humbly add the following: > > 1) Rick wrote: > remember that drummers tend to have one hand stronger > than > another hand. > When I program prominent fills on snare or toms, I often take the time to > set up two different pads for each drum - a "left hand" pad and a "right > hand" pad. The left will be marginally softer and tuned marginally > differently. I will also offset the left hand so it's just a bit slower > (2%-5%) than a perfect subdivision of the beat. Sounds human to me! > > 2) Another "humanizing" trick is to record the bass and ride (cymbal/hi- > hat) > WITH quantization, and the snare WITHOUT. > > 3) Pull out some CDs with great drum tracks and A/B your patterns. Tune, > tune, tune those drums to match what you hear. Balance, balance, balance > too. > > 4) Overlay multiple drums with very slight offsets to get more reality. My > favorite "sandwich" is a piccolo snare tuned down a bit for snap, a > timbale > for ring, and a way down-tuned deep snare, mixed very softly, for snare > rattle. > > 5) Don't pan too hard left or right. > > I only have two tunes on my web site, but they both have drum machine > tracks. > Here are links: > http://www.thecoyote.org/index.cfm?go=1&component=music-download&id=173686 > http://www.thecoyote.org/index.cfm?go=1&component=music-download&id=105737 > No, they're not looping tracks, so sue me for off-topic content ;-) > > Douglas Baldwin, coyote-at-large > www.thecoyote.org > coyotelk@optonline.net > > "The volume knob on your telepathy is your morality." > - Stephen Gaskin, The Farm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:33:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 910103BEF0; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <094401c7feb7$e4c84970$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9A3AB221-B972-493C-920B-C7C6A2C1C246@gmail.com> Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:33:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74841 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:38 +0000 (UTC) It's not just the speaker simulator, but the limiter and the drive cuircuit. I am interested in anything an audio interface will do to "condition" the sound of the guitar before I get into max/msp. I have read some positive comments about these features on the FW800 for guitar, but of course can validate any of them from a personal persepective. But, it's no show stopper that the FW400 doesn't have this. Once I get a good clean signal into max, I can take it from there with my amp vst, max biquad filters etc, etc. / Kris > On 24 sep 2007, at 06.19, Krispen Hartung wrote: > Why? Is the amp simulation of the FW800 good? Most devices with amp > simulation I have tested sound much better if with the amp simulation > disabled. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:33:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7C8903BEFC; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=fOIA5D+30F2tNXzKm/kSkmFtnxB7UsSXBug8iDlSHd8=; b=CDhRKQqMQOTr2oUeujoNg1zI4zcMVWJ0vjDrbYpIkFN/TJTzye21PU257cg01O9206AL+sbsgk3nRGaFq8Ig8Ujr05CP4jbFeHJqe4I+P1RFyz5Dv069tmXjQkZBkzo/SuCghEutVsvcbAyQM3t1ikxRMrUISjE8ulBZvwVnDcM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=HKY2NsNQQDhz9PwyccaXcoaS4NbZ/DHAxO8cB2AHCwLrE5gkR5I0ZhFBScpAapGwjFmYw99zlWaHB1DWiYcaXeZ4A2HxH03KDtU1/aL+VgzixKvn2pG6Q+X5uwoN7c1YPx2Zx7giyI5/P2EYgJv+kpG7PLzdz+enC6oN7g4mlmk= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:33:47 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Adrenalinn stuff... was Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74842 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:33:48 +0000 (UTC) On a slightly related note. I have an Adranalinn (first one) and a month ago it started to completely flake out on me. Glitchy and weird noises started coming from it and not in a nice useful way. 'Cause I like glitchy and noisy. Anyway, I wrote to RogerLinnDesign tech support and I got an email back from Roger himself. After a bit of back and forth emails about the issue, Roger sent me replacement chips for free!! (which I haven't had a chance to try.) I just wanted to note that besides interacting with a, uh, legend, it was a great tech support experience. One that many other companies could learn from. :) Only problem is now I'm jonesing for the Adrenalinn III chips. More cool noises! Tony > > Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? > > > > Adam Hart wrote: > > > Any thoughts or advice as to how to process > > > the [drum machine] sound before it hits my PA?"" > > > > ...to which Rick Walker replied with some of the best advice you'll find > > anywhere. -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 14:39:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F29123BF3B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Dh8o4kmBAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=dhSAyhEpNG1E83X_0oAA:9 a=VfXNOykCyfkQQ21_7B6xgtVa-wsA:4 a=soHY4ZIH9rIA:10 a=hM5H0qCC1cEA:10 a=JN35CgLez50A:10 a=6y61hU8uYSEA:10 a=xdEbk_sLMNsA:10 a=Xi6NF2_zazdgO6AyBA8A:9 a=oxO-M35cT6kY-Bkh_jUA:7 a=pDbk698j5EM2dcB5FwkLfKtyLIwA:4 a=Sz-0p1zU2dQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11--263299308 Message-Id: <76BF1853-ABEB-452A-8B56-5EF3606220EF@fuse.net> From: monk Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn stuff... was Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:39:41 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74843 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:39:52 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11--263299308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed as someone who has been beta testing for the new adrenalinn III, i want to add my voice to saying "hear, hear." roger is one of the nicest, softspoken, well informed people i've had the pleasure to interact with in the music industry. he is a legend indeed! and the adrenalinn three is really cool. a "must have" for filter effects alone. r. On Sep 24, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Tony K wrote: > On a slightly related note. I have an Adranalinn (first one) and a > month ago it started to completely flake out on me. Glitchy and weird > noises started coming from it and not in a nice useful way. 'Cause I > like glitchy and noisy. Anyway, I wrote to RogerLinnDesign tech > support and I got an email back from Roger himself. After a bit of > back and forth emails about the issue, Roger sent me replacement chips > for free!! (which I haven't had a chance to try.) I just wanted to > note that besides interacting with a, uh, legend, it was a great tech > support experience. One that many other companies could learn from. :) > > Only problem is now I'm jonesing for the Adrenalinn III chips. More > cool noises! > > Tony > >>> Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? >>> >>> Adam Hart wrote: >>>> Any thoughts or advice as to how to process >>>> the [drum machine] sound before it hits my PA?"" >>> >>> ...to which Rick Walker replied with some of the best advice >>> you'll find >>> anywhere. > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > ric hordinski www.richordinski.com www.myspace.com/richordinskimusic www.myspace.com/monasterystudio --Apple-Mail-11--263299308 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 as someone who has been beta = testing for the new adrenalinn III, i want=A0 to add my voice to saying = "hear, hear." roger is one of the nicest, softspoken, well informed = people i've had the pleasure to interact with in the music = industry.

    he is a = legend indeed!

    and the adrenalinn three is = really cool.=A0 a "must have" for filter effects alone.


    r.


    On Sep 24, = 2007, at 10:33 AM, Tony K wrote:

    On a slightly related note.=A0 I have an Adranalinn (first = one) and a
    month ago it started to = completely flake out on me.=A0 = Glitchy and weird
    noises = started coming from it and not in a nice useful way.=A0 'Cause I
    like glitchy and noisy.=A0 Anyway, I wrote to = RogerLinnDesign tech
    support and I got an email = back from Roger himself.=A0 = After a bit of
    back and forth emails about = the issue, Roger sent me replacement chips
    for = free!! (which I haven't had a chance to try.)=A0 I just wanted to
    note that besides interacting with a, uh, legend, it = was a great tech
    support experience. One that = many other companies could learn from. :)

    Only problem = is now I'm jonesing for the Adrenalinn III chips.=A0 More
    cool noises!

    Tony

    Subject: Re: = Drum machine PRE AMP???

    Adam Hart wrote:
    =
    Any thoughts or advice as = to how to process
    the [drum machine] sound before = it hits my PA?""

    ...to which Rick Walker replied = with some of the best advice you'll find
    --=A0
    Tony

    =

    ric = hordinski

    www.richordinski.com

    www.myspace.com/richordinskim= usic

    www.myspace.com/monasterystud= io

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-11--263299308-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:14:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C4BBB3BF2B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> In-Reply-To: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> Subject: RE: fc300 Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:15:09 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c7febd$b294aab0$17be0010$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf+h2MZiEXjVPhSQGW1Fxd2NhNxnAANjeqw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd6600bc00000c6ef.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74844 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Maybe a Goridus group buy ... ? -----Original Message----- From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:37 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: fc300 Just been flicking through the manual for roland's new pedal, doesn't seem very impressive. The midi channel seems to be set globally and the unit is nearly as wide as the FCB1010, being shorter by the width of the end exp pedal. In addition, changing from preset 5 to 6 involves 2 presses, since the two banks of 5 share the same pedals. Hmmm. There are inputs for 3 more exp pedals - I wish they had offered the pedals as optional upgrades - firstly some people don't use/need them and secondly it's useful to position the pedals on the other end of the board, or even away from it (eg for a wah pedal at the front of the stage). http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_07-18562/FC-300_e1.pdf What we need is massive sales of the gordius units, allowing production of an "impoverished musician" version ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:40:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9D4163BF2B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 674456786 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7FEC1.278E1DF4" Subject: RE: OT: Adrenalinn stuff Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:39:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72053FD26D@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <76BF1853-ABEB-452A-8B56-5EF3606220EF@fuse.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OT: Adrenalinn stuff Thread-Index: Acf+wSdScjNqAfBWT4iIcvZkFFNIow== References: <76BF1853-ABEB-452A-8B56-5EF3606220EF@fuse.net> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2007 15:39:55.0003 (UTC) FILETIME=[279C0CB0:01C7FEC1] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74845 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:40:04 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7FEC1.278E1DF4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>roger is one of the nicest, softspoken, well informed people i've had the pleasure to interact with in the music industry. << =20 my first adrenalinn went a bit mad so I wrote to them. roger wrote back almost immediately, & suggested that I upgrade (by chip-change) to the v2, which he sent along with a sticky label for the top of the box. I wish I could get the same service from [fill in name of pretty much any other manufacturer]. =20 so what's new with v3? I haven't used it for a while (never quite got over it not having an expression pedal input). =20 d.=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7FEC1.278E1DF4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
     
    >>roger is one of the = nicest,=20 softspoken, well informed people i've had the pleasure to interact with = in the=20 music industry. <<
    my first adrenalinn = went a bit=20 mad so I wrote to them. roger wrote back almost immediately, & = suggested=20 that I upgrade (by chip-change) to the v2, which he sent along with a = sticky=20 label for the top of the box. I wish I could get the same service from = [fill in=20 name of pretty much any other manufacturer].
     
    so what's new with = v3? I haven't=20 used it for a while (never quite got over it not having an expression = pedal=20 input).
     
    d. 
    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7FEC1.278E1DF4-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:42:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DEEB3BF3B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:42:50 +0000 Message-Id: <092420071542.5071.46F7DAFA0007E19C000013CF2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74846 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:42:51 +0000 (UTC) My new Mac arrived friday afternoon. I spent a few hours moving programs, licences, etc. Generally getting it setup to go. After a very long and excruciatingly tedius dinner with the inlaws, I was back to see what we could do with her. As far as I can tell, I can load this bitch up with cpu munching plug ins and programs and she just laughs at me. At one point I had Sooperlooper, Live 6.10, various delays, effects and compression all going and the cpu was at about 45% with no hiccups, clicks or distortion. I am extremly happy and the possibilities leave me breathless. The Motu UltraLite arrives tomorrow. So that should improve the situation even more. The one downside: as I sit to create, I am literally confronted with so many more choices for sounds, signal paths, etc. I tend to get a little overwhelmed. Boo friggin hoo right? MFC. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 15:45:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CFD0A3BF58; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:45:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <454831.28316.qm@web56910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <454831.28316.qm@web56910.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--259374022 Message-Id: <1CF82AFC-72E2-4036-B1D8-BE735AEE1393@zoekeating.com> From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 08:45:07 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <1a3rGD.A.huD.Eu99GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74847 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:45:08 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3--259374022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed sure thing! you got me at a good time before i go offline again for a week. - i make a midi track that has the output set to IAC midi driver on channel 16. - then, make a controller talk on channel 16 (i use an app called midikeys to make entries so i don't need to be connected to external gear) - using live's midi mapping, just select whatever function i want to control - lastly, put the midi sequences in a clip and put that clip in the midi track i created. - trigger the clip On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:23 AM, J E wrote: > I do have one more question, I'm based off of Ableton > as well, as I'm sure a lot of people are, and I was > just wondering, for the basic mechanism of triggering > ableton clips/cues with midi clips, how are you doing > that? Are you routing them back into ableton through a > Midiyoke or similar internal midi cable, or is there a > way to actually do that easily from within Live? --Apple-Mail-3--259374022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII sure thing! you got me at a good = time before i go offline again for a week.

    - i make a midi track that = has the output set to IAC midi driver on channel 16.
    - then, = make a controller talk on channel 16 (i use an app called midikeys to = make entries so i don't need to be connected to external = gear)
    - using live's midi mapping, just select whatever = function i want to control
    - lastly, put the midi sequences in = a clip and put that clip in the midi track i created.
    - = trigger the clip


    On Sep 24, = 2007, at 4:23 AM, J E wrote:

    I do have one more question, = I'm based off of Ableton

    as well, as I'm sure a lot of people are, and I = was

    just = wondering, for the basic mechanism of triggering

    ableton clips/cues with midi = clips, how are you doing

    that? Are you routing them back into ableton through = a

    Midiyoke = or similar internal midi cable, or is there a

    way to actually do that = easily from within Live?

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-3--259374022-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 16:33:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E39423BF46; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46F7E85B.7010800@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:39:55 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: RME Fireface 400 and Guitar Hi-Z inputs References: <083301c7fe5e$7cf54c20$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46F73A1F.4020607@servingpeace.com> <086301c7fe62$1ccc4e30$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> <9A3AB221-B972-493C-920B-C7C6A2C1C246@gmail.com> <094401c7feb7$e4c84970$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <094401c7feb7$e4c84970$4cc8f40f@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74848 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:33:00 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > It's not just the speaker simulator, but the limiter and the drive > cuircuit. I am interested in anything an audio interface will do to > "condition" the sound of the guitar before I get into max/msp. I have > read some positive comments about these features on the FW800 for > guitar, but of course can validate any of them from a personal > persepective. But, it's no show stopper that the FW400 doesn't have > this. Once I get a good clean signal into max, I can take it from there > with my amp vst, max biquad filters etc, etc. / Kris You might wanna scoop an ADA Microcab or Ampulator off evilbay. Microcab can sometimes be had at a good price, the other is expensive. For info, poke info on adadepot.com >> On 24 sep 2007, at 06.19, Krispen Hartung wrote: > > >> Why? Is the amp simulation of the FW800 good? Most devices with amp >> simulation I have tested sound much better if with the amp simulation >> disabled. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) -- rgds, van Sinn From service@paypal.com Mon Sep 24 17:11:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 3617 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:11:30 UTC Received: from mail.iom.com (mail.iom.com [217.23.163.138]) by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E293BF4E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:11:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [62.73.94.19] by mail.iom.com [10.0.0.21] with SmartMax MailMax for loom-forum@isi.edu; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:10:58 +0100 X-SmartMax-AuthUser: robin Reply-To: From: "service@paypal.com" Subject: PayPal Account® Posible Fraud - Notification ! Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:22:26 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1251" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <1190650259.5167@mail.iom.com> To: undisclosed-recipients:; PayPal

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 17:51:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B6C53BF27; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=bzVGtpHGfgW8bDI/nQpyVcKIdPGCQugZ+wzmOr1f56I=; b=TJUf94RDT2m0/vfbxEZlsQJ8uxe8uiUBhXlUMmwCfI3T9SxrE7EJyBo23OsL1tSQ+LmTybtY7aDjqDfuleZM03X1j3iQPnywcuXxCD6zHPdN9OSKKPGrem5Lzu6mAV7cG4ciFKhjYrDrsox1LiE/+ef4j/SWO0yu+bIyvIvywVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lKWjIPMS0jEewM30Nk4nPrDrWGMCWpG0UjM8uJ5iKZ6D34h2ZOTVlAOcYNFR8y6bcS3vA+p+AsEX9mYHm0u6IK6BlfPM+d9ujXxHA25QVuD1msIwHWUvk5Ilw4lzVh2VrPMyOBgnfuErBPwXWbcsRSt2xnWz5ilfUYyeYqYBrnU= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:51:30 -0700 From: "Neil Goldstein" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: OT: Adrenalinn stuff... was Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74849 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:51:33 +0000 (UTC) And the gtr amp sims are some of the nicest around, even compared to other more expensive options. Amazing to have all this in a small stompbox. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:01:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CCBA83BF46; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:01:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19R8QVG6I5RIfzpNQhqvF3aHaiHmetGf9ekkVgyOZ JiC7k4bAp3RWye Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <092420071542.5071.46F7DAFA0007E19C000013CF2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> References: <092420071542.5071.46F7DAFA0007E19C000013CF2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Looping in Uzbekistan Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:02:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74850 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:01:27 +0000 (UTC) You've got to check out this guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=related&search= He's not a looping-only artist per se but some of his work includes looping (in the above piece, looping comes in at 4:10). His looping technique may not be that sophisticated (if there's something like sophisticated and unsophisticated looping) but his guitar technique is simply stunning (and so is his stage gown). Enjoy Nico www.recpro.ch www.myspace.com/nicospahni From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:04:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 94ABB3BF53; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Drum machines Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:03:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006D_01C7FEA2.DC215EC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <0W4Q0D.A.9RC.goA-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74851 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:04:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C7FEA2.DC215EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have always been impressed with Rick's knowledge and use of drum = machines. Great write up Rick! I also have been impressed with the use of drum machines by many on this = list. In fact, it was Luis who turned me on to the MPC 1000. Since it = has six outs, I run a pair of them through four Fab stomp boxes, which I = got at Guitar Center for $50, in total. I route different sounds from = the MPC through them, such as Rick suggests. Another cool thing about = the MPC is their Q-link sliders which can be assigned to the sound = samples, and then alter the pitch, volume, cutoff, resonance, or pan, in = real time. One of the things that I've been playing with is making songs, mostly = with drum machine sounds. I usually record the looping live, and then = edit and arrange it in Cubase. Besides the MPC, I use Battery and = Microtonic software. Microtonic is a drum synth, and Battery is a = sampler, as most of you probably know. I sometimes trigger the sounds = with a Yamaha electronic kit. Anyone interested can check out some of = this at http://www.myspace.com/yetanotherbeatmaker If nothing else, = you can see that i'm still proudly waring my Y2K tee shirt! When I first joined the list, I knew almost nothing about drum machines, = not even how to program my Boss DR-550 that I had at the time. But = through the inspiration of Rick, and others, the machines started to = make some sense! Thanks to you all! It might be fun to see what everyone is using now in drum machines. = I've been wondering if there has been a shift to software and laptops, = sort of like the looping hardware and software discussion recently. Tom ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C7FEA2.DC215EC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    I have always been impressed with = Rick's=20 knowledge and use of drum machines.  Great write up = Rick!
     
    I also have been impressed with = the use of=20 drum machines by many on this list.  In fact, it was Luis =20 who turned me on to the MPC 1000.  Since it has six outs, = I run a=20 pair of them through four Fab stomp boxes, which I got at Guitar = Center for=20 $50, in total.  I route different sounds from the MPC = through=20 them, such as Rick suggests.  Another cool thing about the MPC is = their=20 Q-link sliders which can be assigned to the sound samples, and then=20 alter the pitch, volume, cutoff, resonance, or pan, in real=20 time.
     
    One of the things that I've been = playing with is=20 making songs, mostly with drum machine sounds.  I usually = record the=20 looping live, and then edit and arrange it in Cubase.  Besides the = MPC, I=20 use Battery and Microtonic software.  Microtonic is a drum synth, = and=20 Battery is a sampler, as most of you probably know.  I = sometimes=20 trigger the sounds with a Yamaha electronic kit.  Anyone interested = can=20 check out some of this at http://www.myspace.co= m/yetanotherbeatmaker  =20 If nothing else, you can see that i'm still proudly waring my Y2K tee=20 shirt!
     
    When I first joined the = list, I knew=20 almost nothing about drum machines, not even how to program my Boss=20 DR-550 that I had at the time.  But through the inspiration of = Rick,=20 and others, the machines started to make some sense!  Thanks to you = all!
     
    It might be fun to see what everyone is = using now=20 in drum machines.  I've been wondering if there has been a shift to = software and laptops, sort of like the looping hardware and software=20 discussion recently.
     
    Tom
    ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C7FEA2.DC215EC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 19:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B23003BF53; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 626873658-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.166.117 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj0KAB+090ZPQqZ1/2dsb2JhbACCJ6VG Message-ID: <46F8171E.9080204@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:59:26 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machines References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> In-Reply-To: <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74852 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Best way to improve the sound of a drum machine is to send it to Matt Davingnon. Now there's a guy who knows what to do with 'em. Didn't the 80's prove that programmed beats were 99.9% deadly dull? Well ok, I have to admit that one or 2 list members made a pretty good use on occasion, but usually I switch right away off when the "start" button is pressed. andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 20:07:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C11583BF07; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XlCfwXiu7LrLcNNIJrNnhIvI1DjFOoOpSHOcQiI8j84fwxPC08if661TviTK3ZsM/OPiwtjde46Uct8LqTlNlRRZfoEQNzlXUKU5HrvkIyKkn/T1Bb2BEXxK4F9gk72VFQUKPL6oMLDb+qzxiOZ1RtJ1DKBpgxslrJLDlCZ1qQI=; X-YMail-OSG: AKq3USMVM1nt55PCl3.sWGDTihVjMLEs4qZ.t6ZF Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:07:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Please remove my friends email Joe joe@joetho To: Brian Good MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <632077.21195.qm@web34207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74853 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) He received multiple spam and wishes it not to be displayed? I do not know how else to control the massive amounts of email from loopers delight. Do not get me wrong I really enjoy chatting and networking with everybody but I am also afraid I will somehow accidentally forward or email you with off topic stuff again? My internet/computer experience is very limited. Thanks for your understanding and patience, Daniel T. Albertini. (Albertini Guitar Works) P.S. I have a new very raw video that my drummer/good friend posted on me looping with him and the children at www.myspace.com/albertiniprojects or www.myspace.com/albertiniguitarworks or www.myspace/eagledawn ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 20:09:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A48EE3BF10; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:09:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:09:31 EDT Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb8.1bebd799.3429737b_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74854 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:09:36 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cb8.1bebd799.3429737b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/24/07 3:01:36 PM, nicosp@gmx.net writes: > You've got to check out this guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=related&search= > > > what a slap happy cat!.....brilliant!.....i know nothing of tapping but sure would love to learn.....uzbekistan, huh!.....who would have thought?.....nico, you're right, his coat was to die for!.....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cb8.1bebd799.3429737b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/24/07 3:01:36 PM, nicosp@gmx.net writes:


    You've got to check o= ut this guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=3Drelated&search= =3D



    what a slap happy cat!.....brilliant!.....i know nothing of tapping but sure= would love to learn.....uzbekistan, huh!.....who would have thought?.....ni= co, you're right, his coat was to die for!.....michael




    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
    http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11




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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cb8.1bebd799.3429737b_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 20:12:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5612B3BF6F; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:12:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Looping in Uzbekistan Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 13:12:44 -0700 Message-ID: <007401c7fee7$44b128f0$ce137ad0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0075_01C7FEAC.985250F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf+6BWBELGUC3upSCWhhOgFdNhgKAAAPrBw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D1c1f0bb1000071ab.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74855 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:12:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C7FEAC.985250F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wow! Think what he could do on a Chapman Stick ! -Qua From: Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:10 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan In a message dated 9/24/07 3:01:36 PM, nicosp@gmx.net writes: You've got to check out this guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=related&search= ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C7FEAC.985250F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Wow!  Think what he could do on a Chapman Stick = !     

    -Qua

     

    From:= = Nemoguitt@aol.com [mailto:Nemoguitt@aol.com]
    Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:10 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan


    In a message dated 9/24/07 3:01:36 PM, nicosp@gmx.net writes:

    You've got to check out this = guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=3Drelated&searc= h=3D

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C7FEAC.985250F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 20:18:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D43E3BF78; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:18:01 EDT Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd0.1a44a8f6.34297579_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <5KoirC.A.ieF.EuB-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74856 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 20:18:13 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd0.1a44a8f6.34297579_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/24/07 4:12:21 PM, qua@oregon.com writes: > Think what he could do on a Chapman Stick !=A0=A0 =A0=A0 >=20 way too scary!.....:) www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd0.1a44a8f6.34297579_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd0.1a44a8f6.34297579_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 22:31:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8364F3BF2B; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:31:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=lW1Sa1s+139bSk83iEvD9rT61F/TxxoP4QISJMxB0dA=; b=GhEJWK8JS7PG2a8cmJ3lUephg+sHeVWruW4k8RS7XCLA2GtF4K3KMcj19R+GrQgBGUbobARZURjnpQSGSdEoTYoYKB5ko5LeDUxYZ7pqAGQc4SaXv7y2QdjsB/nDR6p8nCCnSCGD/Sa8sBBA8JRrDQPkFdkRdr6gRfLKWYvL+i0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UMzUuiuFs/NaKdeH5HDAtNR1B3hQyEU5KcLryu0XXMtP9WRrL24A8unC+aUjdJf/mNZeW1dMKk10yNbz1bmeggjtj3B7aVP60+ewO24V6btRm+fhGYOqAQcxPfq/8tZ+D50NXRfWiQczI6/49y0j+BrGoCGSY/XEhydd2DDiOr4= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 15:30:46 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machines In-Reply-To: <46F8171E.9080204@tiscali.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <46F8171E.9080204@tiscali.co.uk> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74857 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:31:00 +0000 (UTC) A cheap trick: One of the reasons that drum machines sound so canned is that you're listening to the same sample over and over again, without the variation you get in real drums. So you need to add something that's going to make it vary a little. Personally, I like adding a downward pitch bend of at least a 5th. That mucks up the sound a pleasurable amount. Creative compression works too. Speaking of drum loops, a friend forwarded me this great educational video about the Amen Break (the most commonly used drum loop in popular music). I knew it was used in a lot of music, but I only knew a fraction of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 23:36:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E75303BF2C; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <46F8171E.9080204@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Drum machines Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 16:37:26 -0700 Message-ID: <009201c7ff03$de16cf10$9a446d30$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acf+++QSu9cGz224TCuqq2ugZUj5QgAB9keg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D4c190b240000d7d0.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74858 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Thanks for sharing the very interesting youtube link ! what a great and creative use of youtube - actually informative ! -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Matt Davignon [mailto:mattdavignon@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:31 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machines A cheap trick: One of the reasons that drum machines sound so canned is that you're listening to the same sample over and over again, without the variation you get in real drums. So you need to add something that's going to make it vary a little. Personally, I like adding a downward pitch bend of at least a 5th. That mucks up the sound a pleasurable amount. Creative compression works too. Speaking of drum loops, a friend forwarded me this great educational video about the Amen Break (the most commonly used drum loop in popular music). I knew it was used in a lot of music, but I only knew a fraction of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SaFTm2bcac Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Mon Sep 24 23:56:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6B103BF27; Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.20,293,1186372800"; d="scan'208";a="41510095" X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HAG/r90ZKgAAT/2dsb2JhbACBWGQ0pAA Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:55:59 -0500 From: mwsmart@insightbb.com Subject: Re: RE: Drum machines In-reply-to: <009201c7ff03$de16cf10$9a446d30$@com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Sun Java(tm) System Messenger Express 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JW4OzQQ8/s3UEnawTw0bcw)" Content-language: en X-Accept-Language: en Priority: normal References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <46F8171E.9080204@tiscali.co.uk> <009201c7ff03$de16cf10$9a446d30$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <2aXzj.A.Z7G.Q6E-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74859 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 23:56:00 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_JW4OzQQ8/s3UEnawTw0bcw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline Yeah, that Amen Break video is interesting. You can download the actual recording here: http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=24940 I've dabbled in techno a little bit and find this stuff interesting. http://www.marksmart.net/randommusic/techno/Robots/robots.html Mark Smart --Boundary_(ID_JW4OzQQ8/s3UEnawTw0bcw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline
    Yeah, that Amen Break video is interesting. You can download the actual recording here:

    http://freesound.iua.upf.edu/samplesViewSingle.php?id=24940

    I've dabbled in techno a little bit and find this stuff interesting. 

    http://www.marksmart.net/randommusic/techno/Robots/robots.html

    Mark Smart

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 01:20:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 748563BF28; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=xAQvdDjQr8nAVlgRT+/U54Uzt7xnyL7sqUXi8EUOe/WLl2X1rOtScdoOhc3q+qWp/Kh5HltMCh9xv2gaVZ2vMHHXp/9AlRAE25AHvadj6NbOtoW7GgOynz143IugDF6jFzUovf2PIC34EhvaWBE8YlPUnuTFCzORWMP3YIFSGEA=; X-YMail-OSG: 8dM6ThkVM1nLw1IRSY6gTRXaEiKuqzV91.sKPJ4.nyOcncsZ1oLheFNvui2S.uVnZiHNOMxEBcckocUGd6U8Qaz_5xPGf59VimjdahL_XNyrdxuSUgXefqQthB5H6g-- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: tube preamps starved plate To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <99606.54910.qm@web32703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74860 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Has anyone tried the Paia stack-in-a-box? I love mine, it sounds kewl. Along with a mod from some guy for the tube mic preamp,I think I'm going to do it to my SIAB and see how much better it sounds than it already does. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 01:24:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B47433BF28; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=0ecxElFgfOIJqx6S7LfUMItRFO6XrLtXb87M5loOe65zbGWBjlEMie1Z/NNVW7lqnvZ+cngQU/OH1Fw83J1oEuod/BMt5Si9fLFSJ8rjL8ye5pxu4S+Msbncjuo/ODVFo7e9Rswf3nY0VO2xXirziHuhcgiLEvkUmEbYtSPqq7g=; X-YMail-OSG: HjzjxDwVM1nWIHZIMCYBffMWuIgAipD1y4orXEE3Lbu2zy7qQcdocz9EKog3Kk1ekkgwa3rLky0saQf5abykREWzIglvpZzi9ANWIghoJXP_ehM61xkcmzhoPk9chQ-- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: drum machine compression To: loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <411254.6693.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9biB2B.A.D8C.rNG-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74861 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, I NEVER program beats in the machine. i set up my sequencer and play 64 note loops(1 verse) and only quantize 1 or 2 drums depending on the feel. Most people ask me who played the drums on the piece. Of course, the sounds in the machine have a lot to do with it. You can't make a TR-505 sound like an HR-16. Rig ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 01:33:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 24E683BF27; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=qFCtZvug8e6V0eHmKMZq6G4a0UR1t+FtktMHiWl9wpw=; b=EG2U1PwLVy8Ywfv8cz8jOHsvu4xUU0YkUWb22MPrH3mfsjyiPT8yZ2MZoa8iGEnO/Ig0tuavPek1NbXoo0/KPOnw4XZ2Dsrt6feoolxEuZX+nFn6WB4aMC7lTG7OtGyxTm0QE6NN/V+pyCaP4NSRcsoY7Ow8MvBEwvHgKFvowWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=I/AIhcW5OfYbgsvS79Y/bUxYHrTNEm/GIionbwUhiJAyEW6x9LdytsftiQSmlXI71HevM12PYGpwL4fXYOV53I1WYzbmTs52Uc2aVjtti5bAcL/TDLzikC5hN6oLThP08GDkdl54T1tdbZ9kDWYLtabgzvmoBBxVRDnJ4l+2JIw= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:33:22 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? In-Reply-To: <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: <75EhND.A.tTD.lVG-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74862 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 01:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Wow, great tips Rick and Douglas! That reminds me of some other things that have worked for me. 1) Listen closely to drum machines used successfully in pop music. >From that I've learned that lots of programmers will layer several samples together for 1 drum sound. Lots of songs in the 90's are combinations of different snares with slightly different attackes. In the early 2000's, bit reduction was very popular. Portishead would often run the snare through different effects than the rest of the drum kit, and would sometimes add subtle envelope filters to the hi-hats to simulate analog tape decay. 2) I don't record rhythmic drum loops very often, but when I do, I almost always turn off the beat correction. In fact, I ignore the drum machine's internal programmer entirely and run run it through the DL-4. That also lets you easily use different effects for the different layers. I'm going to agree with Rick in that using a drum machine as a 'rhythm section' for you to play over is going to sound like canned music - because that's exactly what it is. In the vast majority of live-instrument shows I've heard, pre-recorded beats felt more like a cage for the instruments than a supporting role. Matt www.ribosomemusic.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 02:12:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB9E33BF07; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=G6b74BOSsbdyf75qYFQt1JDaeSqyA4AZSI4cMDuk5wSsYEyDv7xfRX+5NmCko0jbq/si/titBJD/su7eGQLDILkldE9MEynpynGZCQutBYntFoNfQSaetzJSidpUcEDS0v/nlz0ICoLdNtPoBO5zZWHFavKDqU/ylDxPGMoumQA=; X-YMail-OSG: Cafbc9UVM1m9jJ.X9TQDmk4IhuPoCbkgccFFNaZA._l0sylZx6lfzCTXKuaz8FYlEdoSYruKCCTdEZiKut0OogsU6BguU4qHxvb8JARBivZibpHsLHUvj87t9f7hiH390Nr11II3Y0IIhfiJsepZSFYzLQ-- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 19:12:55 -0700 (PDT) From: J E Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <1CF82AFC-72E2-4036-B1D8-BE735AEE1393@zoekeating.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <715729.59407.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74863 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 02:12:56 +0000 (UTC) cool stuff! Last question, I promise (if I catch you in time :) Do you just remember all your midi mappings, or do you use a way within ableton to keep track of what assignment does what, aka, using impulse or some other trick? Thanks! Jesse --- Zoe Keating wrote: > sure thing! you got me at a good time before i go > offline again for a > week. > > - i make a midi track that has the output set to IAC > midi driver on > channel 16. > - then, make a controller talk on channel 16 (i use > an app called > midikeys to make entries so i don't need to be > connected to external > gear) > - using live's midi mapping, just select whatever > function i want to > control > - lastly, put the midi sequences in a clip and put > that clip in the > midi track i created. > - trigger the clip > > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 4:23 AM, J E wrote: > > > I do have one more question, I'm based off of > Ableton > > as well, as I'm sure a lot of people are, and I > was > > just wondering, for the basic mechanism of > triggering > > ableton clips/cues with midi clips, how are you > doing > > that? Are you routing them back into ableton > through a > > Midiyoke or similar internal midi cable, or is > there a > > way to actually do that easily from within Live? > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:10:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2DB813BF27; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:10:09 -0500 From: kkissinger@kevinkissinger.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum machine PRE AMP??? References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.3) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box76.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - kevinkissinger.com Resent-Message-ID: <8g9fgD.A.10.TwH-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74864 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:10:12 +0000 (UTC) Quoting Matt Davignon : > > I'm going to agree with Rick in that using a drum machine as a 'rhythm > section' for you to play over is going to sound like canned music - > because that's exactly what it is. In the vast majority of > live-instrument shows I've heard, pre-recorded beats felt more like a > cage for the instruments than a supporting role. > The music that I do is more "classical" in nature -- I utilize orchestral percussion samples from my K2600. Often, when I am just experimenting with patterns, etc... I just loop 'n quantize -- once the decisions are made, I re-record everything without quantization and loops. This brings a human "feel" and "nuance" to the result. Excellent thread with excellent ideas! -- Kevin From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 03:45:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66C2A3BF20; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <00d001c7ff26$9c9a0c50$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <007401c7fee7$44b128f0$ce137ad0$@com> Subject: OT: Looping in Uzbekistan Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:46:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C7FF37.5F1563F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+YmlBkFy88WZI5IN267hGvZ7sXfNwx284RHcp NU//5h2T1p05AsoIT/W5zHzRPV2j+y7evpmzyONUGQilVJxkj6 bclp6QTGpSvqlZnOSJahXp07cnc8DCt Resent-Message-ID: <1hTnRC.A.x9B.hRI-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74865 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:45:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C7FF37.5F1563F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable oh MAN, i had a terrible experience with this guy about a month ago... played a late night concert in sebastopol, ukraine, with a band playing = fusion jazz. their name is, who would guess: fusion jazz! organisation was bad, soundcheck was way too long, the public complained = already. at some point enver came up to the band leader and suggested that = instead of playing whole sets each (meaning he would have to wait for = another hour until we were done) we could play in intervals of 20 minutes. so we played 18 minutes (got it on video) and left the stage for his = twenty minutes he had the impertinence to play an entire hour! a great solo show, nice tight looping, clownesque approach to stage = behaviour, but pretty antisocial towards his colleagues... a rehearsal, a drive to the countryside, shlepping the contrabass flute = around, more than an hour of soundcheck - all this for 18 minutes of = music? i was pissed. soul long - tilmann You've got to check out this guy! Enver Izmailov from Uzbekistan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=3Drelated&search=3D =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C7FF37.5F1563F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    oh MAN, i had a terrible experience = with this guy=20 about a month ago...
    played a late night concert in = sebastopol, ukraine,=20 with a band playing fusion jazz.
    their name is, who would guess: fusion=20 jazz!
    organisation was bad, soundcheck was = way too long,=20 the public complained already.
    at some point enver came up to the = band leader=20 and suggested that instead of = playing whole=20 sets each (meaning he would have to wait for another hour until we were=20 done)
    we could play in intervals of 20=20 minutes.
    so we played 18 minutes (got it on = video) and left=20 the stage for his twenty minutes
    he had the impertinence to = play an entire=20 hour!
    a great solo show, nice tight looping, = clownesque=20 approach to stage behaviour, but = pretty=20 antisocial towards his colleagues...
     
    a rehearsal, a drive to the = countryside, shlepping=20 the contrabass flute around, more than an hour of soundcheck - all this = for 18=20 minutes of music?
     
    i was pissed.
     
    soul long - tilmann
     
     


     

    You've=20 got to check out this guy! Enver Izmailov from=20 = Uzbekistan.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=3D= related&search=3D

     

    ------=_NextPart_000_00CD_01C7FF37.5F1563F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 04:31:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 705D93BF28; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ttP0hQWW8PMIEjcDpG1a3ONh1THnu3trANNd5O/rwpjhOB18IYl9gKu9L3dRigkWhqr+/A1iqp6RUxbVfGGENMqylFqc+a74GaYL2pRBxKIVwHPh1ftIXXO/OTIjzITkytlTyk9PeyqaWX0F9rtlGh5Z65Ok5Rg6PCnNRYhCLk0=; X-YMail-OSG: 4iBV5igVM1kIj8jzXk.Tgno8ltwK278lsxI9Bm2xlqf2xehqHqaq7GoOfXD5bDjv3BgsxPFH6NS4t9hIvQcb3I9nz1pvZSzov0FD7xn.Ncpm6RI- Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 21:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: EXTREMELY URGENT NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY VERY TRUSTED SOURCE THE LORD OF ALL GODS PROTECTION BE WITH YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!! To: austin@starrfadu.net, "adrinathorpe_news@hotmail.com" , Ally Sutton , Analog Missionary , Andy McKee Mailing List , Angela Gibbs , Derrick Able , Don Alder , Gibbs Angela , Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder , Jim and Belinda , John Fittell , Nattapong Assalee , Rochelle and Bethea , Sant Ananchai , Tellman and Stephanie , Thano and Demitri Sahnas , babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, Barbara Hill , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , Ben , Bethea Jenner , Bob Weigel , Brett Bower , Brian Good , Jennifer Bishop , jim butcher , Joe fretless bassist Ferrero , Johny Barbata , Kaylie Bernhardt , Mesa Boogie , Michael Bicknell , Natalie Business , ShIronbutterfly Ray , Valerio , Christine Rage , Darain Conrady , Eric Redlhammer , Walker James , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, Jeffrey Furst , JP Nickel , Mark White , Garrick Hudson , Gary Lehmann , Greg McDowell , Erin Chambers , Jamie Cook , Jamie Cook , Jessie Canarte , Kassandra Charboneau , Michael Chapdelaine , Natalie Cox , Phil Clarkin , Sandra Cole , The Clampdown , deanal@skilonline.com, Daryl Needham , dawnua dawson , Dennis Jamison , Doug or Marsha Phillips , Drew musiciansfriendemp , Elizabeth Darling , Kyle Dillingham , Yar Doroshenko , Ziggy , Rochelle Gordon , stan greve , Joel , Kevin Hiatt , Roy Hatcher , Todd Hallawell , jfreund@pittstate.edu, Jan Meredith , Janice Malan , Jeff Scheetz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <303672.43676.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <9LnJkB.A.s1D.18I-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74866 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 04:31:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Sarah Date: Sep 24, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Pleas Read This! Body: Date: Sep 22, 2007 3:07 PM Subject: MY SPACE WARNING FROM PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE, PLEASE READ Body: STATE POLICE WARNING TO MYSPACE USERS** Please read this.....I hope that all of my Friends Post this and help keep our myspace friends safe. State police warning for online: Please read this "very carefully"..then send it out to all the people online that you know. Something like this is nothing to be taken casually; this is something you DO want to pay attention to. If a person with the screen-name of imahustlababay or http://www.myspace.com/ineedatipdrill contacts you, do not reply. DO NOT talk to this person; do not answer any of his/her instant messages or e-mail. Whoever this person may be, he/she is a suspect for murder in the death of 56 women (so far) contacted through the Internet. Please send this to all the women on your buddy list and ask them to pass this on, as well. This screen-name was seen on Yahoo, AOL, AIM, and Excite so far. This is not a joke! Please send this to men too...just in case! Send to everyone you know! Ladies, this is serious. Gentlemen, PLEASE let your Lady Friends know.... IF WE CAN PASS ON JOKES, SURELY WE CAN PASS ON A WARNING THAT MAY SAVE A LIFE Please repost. This can also be found at www.NBC.comstar ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:10:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0B7DF3BF1C; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 00:11:57 -0500 From: Jeff Shirkey Subject: Re: EXTREMELY URGENT NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY VERY TRUSTED SOURCE THE LORD OF ALL GODS PROTECTION BE WITH YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!! In-reply-to: <303672.43676.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <42880A34-AD37-4053-B17E-B05FB2DAB32C@midway.uchicago.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <303672.43676.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74867 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:10:35 +0000 (UTC) Thanks a lot for the warning. Here's some more information for you that you may find useful: http://www.nuketown.com/node/285 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 05:12:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 457743BF2C; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=rBYv8zSjUkfzg1+7Y61o+m2mlVPlZ75hPu9G7ITPwy8=; b=dEpLQULJ0yt95CaBzaGtApoA7nAHDdWLRZvtpTl53k2StPs3P4eA4ft77Fv4coOGIDN1nDJ37ed2cw5od6QmF79tedLrZVXLmMQ/QjyNo4akoRYR7RQPDpZVg7apFQRF3pppgzYM7q8ot/ElhvEyBHuZI88+eI9UM5i8qKm71nU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=f6X+sXe6ITZFWJHTwbUqzw3+GjD1Y60DzRC4TIxVajsbpjhnOYsg2E2JDdVzY2JLuaQ/TQRFIwpTzCZfXNd2gSMAMoJCN8KDRz6NNO+/I543h6gF3XLWz+TlHdn1HNYax6fOhUKd28XbEyX31lmWtFosi2Fe8hYcdHYXssoZet8= Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 22:12:45 -0700 From: "Michael Billow" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: EXTREMELY URGENT NOT TO BE TAKEN LIGHTLY VERY TRUSTED SOURCE THE LORD OF ALL GODS PROTECTION BE WITH YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!! Cc: austin@starrfadu.net, "adrinathorpe_news@hotmail.com" , "Ally Sutton" , "Analog Missionary" , "Andy McKee Mailing List" , "Angela Gibbs" , "Derrick Able" , "Don Alder" , "Gibbs Angela" , "Incite Bill and Carrie Mulder" , "Jim and Belinda" , "John Fittell" , "Nattapong Assalee" , "Rochelle and Bethea" , "Sant Ananchai" , "Tellman and Stephanie" , "Thano and Demitri Sahnas" , babycakes61_2000@yahoo.com, barebonesfilmfest@yahoo.com, "Barbara Hill" , "bbactr4jc@juno.com" , Ben , "Bethea Jenner" , "Bob Weigel" , "Brett Bower" , "Jennifer Bishop" , "jim butcher" , "Joe fretless bassist Ferrero" , "Johny Barbata" , "Kaylie Bernhardt" , "Mesa Boogie" , "Michael Bicknell" , "Natalie Business" , "ShIronbutterfly Ray" , Valerio , "Christine Rage" , "Darain Conrady" , "Eric Redlhammer" , "Walker James" , faithdriven1@sbcglobal.net, "Jeffrey Furst" , "JP Nickel" , "Mark White" , "Garrick Hudson" , "Gary Lehmann" , "Greg McDowell" , "Erin Chambers" , "Jamie Cook" , "Jamie Cook" , "Jessie Canarte" , "Kassandra Charboneau" , "Michael Chapdelaine" , "Natalie Cox" , "Phil Clarkin" , "Sandra Cole" , "The Clampdown" , deanal@skilonline.com, "Daryl Needham" , "dawnua dawson" , "Dennis Jamison" , "Doug or Marsha Phillips" , "Drew musiciansfriendemp" , "Elizabeth Darling" , "Kyle Dillingham" , "Yar Doroshenko" , Ziggy , "Rochelle Gordon" , "stan greve" , Joel , "Kevin Hiatt" , "Roy Hatcher" , "Todd Hallawell" , jfreund@pittstate.edu, "Jan Meredith" , "Janice Malan" , "Jeff Scheetz" In-Reply-To: <303672.43676.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_56335_33441014.1190697165882" References: <303672.43676.qm@web34202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74868 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:12:49 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_56335_33441014.1190697165882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please keep these stupid internet hoaxes out of this group. On 9/24/07, Dan wrote: > > From: Sarah > Date: Sep 24, 2007 2:49 PM > Subject: Pleas Read This! > Body: Date: Sep 22, 2007 3:07 PM > Subject: MY SPACE WARNING FROM PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE, PLEASE READ > Body: STATE POLICE WARNING TO MYSPACE USERS** > Please read this.....I hope that all of my Friends Post this and help keep > our myspace friends > safe. > > State police warning for online: Please read this "very carefully"..then > send it out to all the > people online that you know. Something like this is nothing to be taken > casually; this is > something you DO want to pay attention to. > > If a person with the screen-name of imahustlababay or > http://www.myspace.com/ineedatipdrill > contacts you, do not reply. DO NOT talk to this person; do not answer any > of his/her instant > messages or e-mail. Whoever this person may be, he/she is a suspect for > murder in the death of 56 > women (so far) contacted through the Internet. Please send this to all the > women on your buddy > list and ask them to pass this on, as well. > > This screen-name was seen on Yahoo, AOL, AIM, and Excite so far. This is > not a joke! Please send > this to men too...just in case! Send to everyone you know! > Ladies, this is serious. > Gentlemen, PLEASE let your Lady Friends know.... > > IF WE CAN PASS ON JOKES, SURELY WE CAN PASS ON A WARNING THAT MAY SAVE A > LIFE > > Please repost. > > This can also be found at www.NBC.comstar > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated > for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. > http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow > > ------=_Part_56335_33441014.1190697165882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Please keep these stupid internet hoaxes out of this group.

    On 9/24/07, Dan <danielalbertini72@yahoo.com> wrote:
    From:    Sarah
    Date:  Sep 24, 2007 2:49 PM
    Subject:  Pleas Read This!
    Body:  Date: Sep 22, 2007 3:07 PM
    Subject: MY SPACE WARNING FROM PENNSYLVANIA STATE POLICE, PLEASE READ
    Body: STATE POLICE WARNING TO MYSPACE USERS**
    Please read this.....I hope that all of my Friends Post this and help keep our myspace friends
    safe.

    State police warning for online: Please read this "very carefully"..then send it out to all the
    people online that you know. Something like this is nothing to be taken casually; this is
    something you DO want to pay attention to.

    If a person with the screen-name of imahustlababay or http://www.myspace.com/ineedatipdrill
    contacts you, do not reply. DO NOT talk to this person; do not answer any of his/her instant
    messages or e-mail. Whoever this person may be, he/she is a suspect for murder in the death of 56
    women (so far) contacted through the Internet. Please send this to all the women on your buddy
    list and ask them to pass this on, as well.

    This screen-name was seen on Yahoo, AOL, AIM, and Excite so far. This is not a joke! Please send
    this to men too...just in case! Send to everyone you know!
    Ladies, this is serious.
    Gentlemen, PLEASE let your Lady Friends know....

    IF WE CAN PASS ON JOKES, SURELY WE CAN PASS ON A WARNING THAT MAY SAVE A LIFE

    Please repost.

    This can also be found at www.NBC.comstar




    ____________________________________________________________________________________
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 13:06:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A741C3BF4E; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:06:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> Subject: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:06:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74871 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:06:26 +0000 (UTC) : "Per Boysen" wrote: > In my own praxis I prefer strictly quantized drum programming. The > reason is that my taste rather favors "making machines groove" than > "laying down a human groove". That's where I'm at in this point in time. Right now my emphase is on MACHINE, not drum. I want to make beats that have somewhat of a machine quality to them, a machine rhythm. That doesn't mean that there can't be variety to them, if that's what I'm looking for If I want a boom, or a bang, it doesn't need to be a bass drum, or a snare. It can be anything, found sounds, etc. that go boom or bang. If I want a "real" drum sound with a "human" feel, I can play my acoustic set. Like so many things in music, it all boils down to personal preference, and/or style, and how "popular" or accepted we want to be. Otherwise, the audience, the listener, the critic, the fellow artist be damn. I guess it depends on how much of an "Outsider" we want to be, to use one of Colin Wilson's terms. Nice discussion! I believe someone once said that this group DOES have it's opinions. Amen, and amen! Tom From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 13:52:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E05083BF42; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002001c7ff7b$4fb809f0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Subject: Drum machines, etc Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 06:52:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74872 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:52:26 +0000 (UTC) : "Tom Rex" wrote: > Nice discussion! I believe someone once said that this group DOES have > it's opinions. Amen, and amen! I recently had a conversation with an old friend. The name of Winton Marcelus came up in connection with having both jazz chops and classical chops. He said that his classical playing was OK, but not compared to someone playing "legit music". I guess that's the perspective of someone playing in an internationally renown orchestra. However, I had not heard that term, "legit" in ages. I didn't know it even was around anymore. I suppose the same could be said of a classical musician playing jazz. Or drummers and drum machines, or to use another really old term, The Side Man, which put a lot of us "legit" drummers out of business, where the Musicians Union was not so strong. Hee haw! It's a different world, now, where non-drummers are playing drum machines, and even, non-musicians are playing music! I personally believe that the music world is a lot better because of this! 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TV. --0-1605693493-1190729459=:78028-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:56:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30BD13BF0A; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=/8hzUnN26hrnlDqXqHzUPE0ioYyb1VKyT0h6V9R5u8A=; b=NvruWhoDh7k6mrR46Fa5GQBS5Keqo+TsZOfzmit0WyYmNkgtPInFT0YT2b9Nuwlzo6Sr041inUeULnN4ayTQgGjJwtajqJYvDYhu93wqsWrYFp/HBLu0Ou1pjTEy666cOwHFjOAwVD2aSXTs4waZ6QFG6/NYKjrYCu0FWVav28U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q3uHThmrNZKiJ0Z+8gsRZJp+TrEPi9hArXH7XiloMGZ4Srxubguq4RsHu5AdLDOGXndevesRjxCPVHAjeGhdHriUF05snHZ9uAlmQQxoacpWFabRRxIkPeGPpc+MoRlSnOSJYxBVCNsRJOs71ndLZTBsijD3uXaJJNuzKNMGTQQ= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 10:56:30 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES In-Reply-To: <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74874 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:56:33 +0000 (UTC) I don't use a drum machine much, but I do and I rarely use it as drums. :) I've got an SR16, a DD50, and the Adrenalinn. I like to feed the SR through the mountain of effects and filter the crap out of it. It winds up being some weird rhythmic thing that has little relationship to a drum. I've also hooked the MIDI out of the SR to some of my synths and it makes a cool sequencer kinda thing. Which, of course, gets routed through the mountain of effects. One thing that is fun is to hook the DD50 MIDI out to the SR, turn the SR into record mode. That makes it act kinda like a drum loop. Then I get to hit the DD with sticks and since I have terrible drumming skills, it's about as humanized as it can get. :) I picked up an Evolution UC-33 controller last night. Anybody have one and have any good tricks and tips? I got it to use with Sonar, but it's got 47 knobs and sliders and buttons, so it's gotta be good for something else. So so so many toys... -- -==-=-=- Tony On 9/25/07, Tom Rex wrote: > > : "Per Boysen" wrote: > > In my own praxis I prefer strictly quantized drum programming. The > > reason is that my taste rather favors "making machines groove" than > > "laying down a human groove". > > > That's where I'm at in this point in time. Right now my emphase is on > MACHINE, not drum. I want to make beats that have somewhat of a machine > quality to them, a machine rhythm. That doesn't mean that there can't be > variety to them, if that's what I'm looking for > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 14:58:11 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF6123BF0F; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on smtp.atwdsl.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=6.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Message-ID: <46F924FC.7070405@unguitar.com> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:10:52 +0200 From: Luca Formentini User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: fc300 References: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> <004801c7febd$b294aab0$17be0010$@com> In-Reply-To: <004801c7febd$b294aab0$17be0010$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: <8tcolB.A.1iH.DIS-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74875 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) I think this would be a great idea ! Qua Veda wrote: >Maybe a Goridus group buy ... ? > >-----Original Message----- >From: nick@12testing.net [mailto:nick@12testing.net] >Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 1:37 AM >To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com >Subject: fc300 > >Just been flicking through the manual for roland's new pedal, doesn't >seem very impressive. The midi channel seems to be set globally and >the unit is nearly as wide as the FCB1010, being shorter by the width >of the end exp pedal. In addition, changing from preset 5 to 6 >involves 2 presses, since the two banks of 5 share the same pedals. >Hmmm. > >There are inputs for 3 more exp pedals - I wish they had offered the >pedals as optional upgrades - firstly some people don't use/need them >and secondly it's useful to position the pedals on the other end of >the board, or even away from it (eg for a wah pedal at the front of >the stage). > >http://lib.roland.co.jp/manual/en/dl_07-18562/FC-300_e1.pdf > >What we need is massive sales of the gordius units, allowing >production of an "impoverished musician" version ;) > > > > > > > >__________ Informazione NOD32 2547 (20070924) __________ > >Questo messaggio è stato controllato dal Sistema Antivirus NOD32 >http://www.nod32.it > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 16:27:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8CBD73BF3E; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <030c01c7ff90$fb2de150$6e01a8c0@DTT60> From: "Dave Trenkel" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:27:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Score: 0 () X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74876 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:27:18 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Rex" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:06 AM Subject: Drum MACHINES > That's where I'm at in this point in time. Right now my emphase is on > MACHINE, not drum. I want to make beats that have somewhat of a machine > quality to them, a machine rhythm. That doesn't mean that there can't be > variety to them, if that's what I'm looking for > I read an interview with Stan Ridgeway of Wall of Voodoo (remember them? Great, great band of the '80's) where he commented that "drum machines should sound like appliances, not drums." I like that idea. 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:00:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DE86C3BF2C; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=iif2hyvWvc7+u9R/b/AVZB27ForpAPWXVsnKUj58VuI=; b=SUP06Upc3lwQnMuX8QgICb7hlJHFDt45wW5YFnUdGdZ+bj+wvK5zc7qfMZhVYb5/M5ShCkpCN/sE8ApWf/qcA2d5b0BB9cXo8TQKE+OeQBO8ip7/CCR4oIknawaTSrcE/J54WwTTxCRK/rXrf0/aiOcgTe5RGLl5M5dN2JLLSs0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=QBJmynFfIchsxlp75ri7/Xjnx/qcnd+Rs2W2n5DFUE+U0Ci+M16Vc+sYOOVzJmb1INtpPbreclzPxPW9OrKwsE3if/14XaJ21O5SqyBpvFKC/MBD7JMCwRKdJEVBlMJyAJ7PZ9zCFJ+wzf/I+DJqxsJ7rR0dn7Eh25tjkk/7Twc= In-Reply-To: <030c01c7ff90$fb2de150$6e01a8c0@DTT60> References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <030c01c7ff90$fb2de150$6e01a8c0@DTT60> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:59:58 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74877 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:00:04 +0000 (UTC) On 25 sep 2007, at 18.27, Dave Trenkel wrote: > I read an interview with Stan Ridgeway of Wall of Voodoo (remember > them? Great, great band of the '80's) Sure! "I don't know how to live... but I sure know how to die". I wanted to like them in the 80's put choruses like the quoted just kept me at a distance ;-)) > where he commented that "drum machines should sound like > appliances, not drums." I like that idea. Yes. I think it was from magazine interviews etc that I wanted to like Wall of Voodoo back then. Their musical philosophy attracted my curiosity. He, he... I remember the first drum machines. When I read about drum machines being manufactured I just couldn't wait until they would appear in the stores. And when I finally got around to check out a drum machine I was really put off because it "sounded just like drums". I had never imagined there were people around that wanted a machine to sound like a guy bashing drums. Little did I know.... ;-) I had envisioned drum machines to sound more like banging metal containers or pneumatic industrial processing etc. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:06:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13BB23BF4A; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=YCfo14NqnBcpf5XuIcUSAYv7xnfFiTwb9260JJAyG0Y=; b=pu2AYWc0gUTaY/eSvcAf9TiSiS5Thf5GEhBYy7sO8JPc9BKkw+fEL2vs0wDHzmemY5ypDkwW2XxFEDnwxNbbugExzdE2UeE2Ts9fsJf5VatGM24mkEpXuKTv6s5kAyv98/fy1dXS0PtZ//CIb0WMfnFXCdEiQxpze0w0wk+izGg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=raPuc2fUkLYgo4g1nqsYrXwkTt0UJFOPy872Sdhv3A6AWE7pg3XizuP8fF0udSa2DKDt/BNdjTHX2EOEHIiYT5TuZgUrbKKD6xZxVD/SmvCTJBtOGGjQOAR0gefNY2TPMQrYlrDXssFCPr6lrDu40zrQVJ7edm8POPM+pvdb48Y= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:06:06 -0400 From: "Tony K" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <030c01c7ff90$fb2de150$6e01a8c0@DTT60> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74878 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:06:08 +0000 (UTC) I read an interview with a producer (wish I could remember who, Quincy Jones I think) who when asked if he wanted to introduce some 'humanization' into his drum machine track, responded that if he wanted it to sound human, he'd have hired a human. :) Wall of Voodoo had one song I remember and can't get out of my head! Mexican Radio. "Rather be in Tijuana eating bar-be-qued iguana." Oh no, there it is again. Tony (off to crank some Zeppelin to get that damn song outta my head) On 9/25/07, Per Boysen wrote: > On 25 sep 2007, at 18.27, Dave Trenkel wrote: > > > I read an interview with Stan Ridgeway of Wall of Voodoo (remember > > them? Great, great band of the '80's) > > Sure! "I don't know how to live... but I sure know how to die". I > wanted to like them in the 80's put choruses like the quoted just > kept me at a distance ;-)) > > > where he commented that "drum machines should sound like > > appliances, not drums." I like that idea. > > Yes. I think it was from magazine interviews etc that I wanted to > like Wall of Voodoo back then. Their musical philosophy attracted my > curiosity. > > He, he... I remember the first drum machines. When I read about drum > machines being manufactured I just couldn't wait until they would > appear in the stores. And when I finally got around to check out a > drum machine I was really put off because it "sounded just like > drums". I had never imagined there were people around that wanted a > machine to sound like a guy bashing drums. Little did I know.... ;-) > I had envisioned drum machines to sound more like banging metal > containers or pneumatic industrial processing etc. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- -==-=-=- Tony From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:35:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFDB13BF13; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:35:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:35:44 -0400 From: Douglas Baldwin Subject: Re: Drum machines, etc To: Tom Rex , Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Message-id: <005c01c7ffa3$08fb7d80$261bbe18@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <002001c7ff7b$4fb809f0$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74879 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:35:53 +0000 (UTC) I'll tell ya, I'd much rather hear Winton play classical than jazz. > I recently had a conversation with an old friend. The name of Winton > Marcelus came up in connection with having both jazz chops and classical > chops. He said that his classical playing was OK, but not compared to > someone playing "legit music". From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 18:39:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B7BC13BF5A; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005101c7ffa3$66d1b500$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <109523.74402.qm@web45303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <00c001c7fe34$88f43a10$6501a8c0@dayglogreen> <20070924221009.7gz2y2fmpwo0kw48@69.89.21.76> <001901c7ff74$e3996a80$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> <030c01c7ff90$fb2de150$6e01a8c0@DTT60> Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:39:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74880 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Now you've done it. Radio... Radio... Radio... Radio... (What does he say?) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony K" To: Sent: Tuesday, 25 September, 2007 19:06 PM Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES >I read an interview with a producer (wish I could remember who, Quincy > Jones I think) who when asked if he wanted to introduce some > 'humanization' into his drum machine track, responded that if he > wanted it to sound human, he'd have hired a human. :) > > > Wall of Voodoo had one song I remember and can't get out of my head! > Mexican Radio. > > "Rather be in Tijuana eating bar-be-qued iguana." > > Oh no, there it is again. > > Tony (off to crank some Zeppelin to get that damn song outta my head) > > On 9/25/07, Per Boysen wrote: >> On 25 sep 2007, at 18.27, Dave Trenkel wrote: >> >> > I read an interview with Stan Ridgeway of Wall of Voodoo (remember >> > them? Great, great band of the '80's) >> >> Sure! "I don't know how to live... but I sure know how to die". I >> wanted to like them in the 80's put choruses like the quoted just >> kept me at a distance ;-)) >> >> > where he commented that "drum machines should sound like >> > appliances, not drums." I like that idea. >> >> Yes. I think it was from magazine interviews etc that I wanted to >> like Wall of Voodoo back then. Their musical philosophy attracted my >> curiosity. >> >> He, he... I remember the first drum machines. When I read about drum >> machines being manufactured I just couldn't wait until they would >> appear in the stores. And when I finally got around to check out a >> drum machine I was really put off because it "sounded just like >> drums". I had never imagined there were people around that wanted a >> machine to sound like a guy bashing drums. Little did I know.... ;-) >> I had envisioned drum machines to sound more like banging metal >> containers or pneumatic industrial processing etc. >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > -==-=-=- > Tony > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 19:43:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D40C83BF2B; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <411254.6693.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <411254.6693.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: drum machine compression Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:43:23 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74881 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:43:45 +0000 (UTC) Hey Bill. I'd like to learn more about your drum programming technics. Could you elaborate on this? Chuck Silva On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:24 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > Howdy, > > I NEVER program beats in the machine. i set up my > sequencer and play 64 note loops(1 verse) and only > quantize 1 or 2 drums depending on the feel. Most > people ask me who played the drums on the piece. Of > course, the sounds in the machine have a lot to do > with it. You can't make a TR-505 sound like an HR-16. > Rig > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone > who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 19:55:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C6643BF64; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:55:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> References: <46F78543.27793.29294A@nick.12testing.net> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:55:21 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: fc300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74882 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:55:37 +0000 (UTC) At 9:37 AM +0100 9/24/07, nick@12testing.net wrote: >Just been flicking through the manual for roland's new pedal, doesn't >seem very impressive. The midi channel seems to be set globally Not entirely true. There are four different modes. IMNSHO, two are there mostly for convenience (one which is straight PC, and another oriented strictly on CC values, if I recall correctly), so I believe what you've read is correct for those modes. The third, or "Sysex" Mode, is focused solely on integrating tightly with the VG-99. Finally, the meat and potatoes for external control is in the fourth mode, known as Patch Mode. As shown on page 35 of the FC-300 manual, Patch Mode can send a MIDI stream on pedal press on multiple MIDI channels. There are a variety of MIDI message types that can be sent: PC, CC, MIDI Note On/Off, Channel Aftertouch, Key Aftertouch (whaaa...?!?!), Pitchbend, and even MIDI Machine Control. Short of sending "true" Sysex commands, the darn thing is almost as flexible as my PMC-10. In fact, Patch Mode reminds me a lot of programming the Digitech pedal -- especially with the separately programmable Pedal On & Pedal Off streams. The main things lacking between the two units are (as I alluded to) the FC-300's inability to program a Hex Sysex stream, and a couple of the more advanced Latch modes implemented later in the PMC's lifespan. >and the unit is nearly as wide as the FCB1010, being shorter by the width >of the end exp pedal. I've got the FCB-1000 also, and that delta in length does actually make a difference. I'm able to fit the FC-300 into a relatively reasonable-sized suitcase, so I can check it with the luggage when flying (it's pretty sturdy so I'm not concerned that it's going to get damaged, and besides, what else in there is it gonna do damage to -- underwear?!?). The FCB is always a pain to take anywhere, due to it's longer length. As always, though, YMMV. >In addition, changing from preset 5 to 6 >involves 2 presses, since the two banks of 5 share the same pedals. >Hmmm. Yeah, that's an architectural thing that I don't know how they could've gotten around. And you're going to find the same thing on any pedal with 10 switches at the border between Patches 10 & 11. There is another Pedal Step Size setting called 10Step, which MAY (and a very qualified may) help in your particular situation (page 49 of the manual). Essentially, every pedal becomes dual function. Press Pedal 2 once, and you get Patch 2. Press it a second time and you get Patch 7. This then toggles between the two sets of five (of course, the up and down buttons switch between banks of 10 in this mode). The downside is that you may potentially end up with other, completely different, situations where you're having to do double presses instead. >There are inputs for 3 more exp pedals - I wish they had offered the >pedals as optional upgrades - firstly some people don't use/need them >and secondly it's useful to position the pedals on the other end of >the board, or even away from it (eg for a wah pedal at the front of >the stage). Not really following you here. We're talking about 3 extra jacks on the back. These can be used for up to 6 external switches (using FS-5u's or FS-6's), 3 expression pedals (EV-5's), or a combination of those. You can always position the pedals anyplace you want, as long as you get a cord that reaches your final position. In fact, I use an FS-6 on one end of the unit, with an FS-5u plugged into the Mode jack at the other end (just to make certain I don't get the pedals confused. Now, I was not very bullish on this unit until I got one in a package deal with the VG-99, so I started trying to make a go of it. The more I use it, the more impressed I'm becoming. I'm actually starting to consider it as perhaps a replacement for my PMC-10 (which is out of production, and ain't getting any younger). Sure, there are things the PMC does that outstrip this pedal entirely, but do I really need those functions all the time? I've got the FCB as well, and I think the FC does a better job overall than that pedal. There are some *really* annoying things about controlling multiple devices with the FCB, and I don't think even the Gordius addresses those... yet(!). In regard to the VG-99, I can't say I could be more pleased. The FC-300 integrates flawlessly, even taking power from the VG. Very, very useful in collaboration with that unit. However, one of the problems I will say with the Roland is that the FC-300 manual is only a step or two above the Behringer's notoriously unreadable manuals. The information is there, but you've got to play hand's on with a unit before anything starts to make much sense. I think this is where a lot of the confusion comes in. I know it's certainly where I got such a rotten impression of the device before one landed in my lap. Anyway, I should have more of a concrete impression soon. Within the next 24 hours, I should be beginning the chore of actually programming my laptop and Looperlative via the FC-300. I'll either be back here to confirm that it's a viable device, or you'll hear me swearing at what a piece of crap it is. Stay tuned.... ;) --m. -- _____ "I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of murder... later" From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 19:56:48 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 23A443BF68; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Ninja-PIM: Scanned by Ninja X-Ninja-AttachmentFiltering: (no action) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: OT: Harmonica looping from the dark side Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:56:45 -0500 Message-ID: <3B760999C264454D82652640BB74075C51CC31@keel.sailpoint.com> thread-topic: OT: Harmonica looping from the dark side thread-index: Acf/rjOi6p0SVy24St2L/2O5NxuHng== From: "Jeff Larson" To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74883 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 19:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Sort of looping. Okay well maybe not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DWJqPNpUhxPY Jeff From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:34:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8D8E43BF16; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <015201c7ffb3$84c3c5c0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:34:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74884 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:34:14 +0000 (UTC) I finally got a chance to check Enver Izmailov from Uzbeikstan out on youtube. Wow!!!!!! he's incredibly good AND interesting. Made my entire morning! Rick Walker http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pU9aUvA9c8&mode=related&search= From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 20:55:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3A0833BF27; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 13:55:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74885 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:55:23 +0000 (UTC) To me, the sampling revolution that has so influenced modern music in the last 25 years has given us the potential to invent and discover new uses for sounds. I'm a drummer and have been , this year, for exactly 40 years, but I frequently resent the hegemony that the drumset has had over world popular music for a long time. The hippest thing about drum machines , to me, is to use sounds that AREN'T trapset drum sounds so that we can have new and cool ways to experience grooving. That's why I've been such a ceaseless advocate for the software program Fruity Loops (FLStudio Producers Edition as it is now, more stately, referred to). It has a drum machine interface that is really easy to use but you just direct it towards any samples that you have on your hard drive and you can make anything be a drum machine. Having also been a multiple percussionist all of my life I realize that one of the great things about the drum set is that it has bass (kick drum) , middrange (snare drums, tom toms) and treble (hi hats and cymbals) timbral components. When, as an example, I play with a folk or acoustic pop artist, I will frequently use an instrument like a darbukka (dumbec) or djembe as an ersatz drum machine...............substituting open tones for kicks, slaps for snare drums and light,non-accented strokes as hi hats. Drum machines can do the same thing..................we can make ersatz drumsets up using our imagination, some DSP processing and some clever sound design (note: tune sounds you have way up high or way down low and find new contexts for them in their new stretched tunings). To me the Timbral revolution in modern music is every bit as important as the Rhythmic revolution (one that was greatly accelerated by the whole early 80's world beat movement that brought a lot of ethnic- and sometimes, obscurely ethnic, rhythmic and timbral influences into Western pop music and jazz). Synthesizers, Sampling and radical DSP processing have really changed the sonic palette of modern music in ways I find very exciting as a musician and a composer. The problem with drum machines in their ubiquity, as I see it, is that, like the Yamaha DX7 synthesizer, 90% of the people who use them don't really get very creative with them. Remember, when you pat out a rhythm on your guitar with muted strings and loop it.............you are just creating a digital drum machine. It may be more creative than pushing pattern 10a on a drum machine but it's the same thing: a sample being created and sequenced in real time. The sadly lamented late Joe Zawinul said that a beautiful constructed Synthesizer patch is every bit as beautiful as a Stradivarius violin. I actually agree with him. With drum machines, we just need to strive for the 'beautifully constructed' part of that statement. Program on and remember............................someone may not want to listen to your computer drum programming but I don't like to listen to bluegrass, frankly (even the best there is). Both expressions of human creation are equally valid and as such are music with a capital M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 21:21:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 602053BF67; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:21:31 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74886 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Hey Rick. It is refreshing to hear the voice of someone as eloquent as you. I too am a seasoned musician that spent the majority of my life-35 years as a guitarist performing R & B and funk here in Detroit and through out the US. I am relatively new to this wondrous music technology explosion! Thank you United States Military for facilitating the whole thing and creating the internet. Whoops! I don't want to get political or wave flags. I'd just like to thank you for your inspired and intelligent thoughts. As a trained musician, I looked down on 'Techno' and for years I resisted the technology. About a year ago out of curiosity I bought Reason. Now have thousands and thousands of dollars tied up in this powerful musical venue. Thank you Bill Gates, Steve jobs! On Sep 25, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Rick Walker wrote: > To me, the sampling revolution that has so influenced modern music > in the last 25 years > has given us the potential to invent and discover new uses for sounds. > > I'm a drummer and have been , this year, for exactly 40 years, but > I frequently resent the > hegemony that the drumset has had over world popular music for a > long time. > > The hippest thing about drum machines , to me, is to use sounds > that AREN'T trapset drum sounds > so that we can have new and cool ways to experience grooving. > > That's why I've been such a ceaseless advocate for the software > program Fruity Loops (FLStudio Producers Edition > as it is now, more stately, referred to). It has a drum machine > interface that is really easy to use but you just direct > it towards any samples that you have on your hard drive and you can > make anything be a drum machine. > > > Having also been a multiple percussionist all of my life I realize > that one of the great things about the drum set is > that it has bass (kick drum) , middrange (snare drums, tom toms) > and treble (hi hats and cymbals) timbral components. > > When, as an example, I play with a folk or acoustic pop artist, I > will frequently use an instrument like a darbukka (dumbec) > or djembe as an ersatz drum machine...............substituting open > tones for kicks, slaps for snare drums and light,non-accented > strokes as hi hats. > > Drum machines can do the same thing..................we can make > ersatz drumsets up using our imagination, some DSP processing > and some clever sound design (note: tune sounds you have way up > high or way down low and find new contexts for them in their > new stretched tunings). > > To me the Timbral revolution in modern music is every bit as > important as the Rhythmic revolution (one that was greatly > accelerated by > the whole early 80's world beat movement that brought a lot of > ethnic- and sometimes, obscurely ethnic, rhythmic and timbral > influences into > Western pop music and jazz). > > Synthesizers, Sampling and radical DSP processing have really > changed the sonic palette of modern music in ways I find very > exciting as > a musician and a composer. > > The problem with drum machines in their ubiquity, as I see it, is > that, like the Yamaha DX7 synthesizer, 90% of the people who use them > don't really get very creative with them. > > Remember, when you pat out a rhythm on your guitar with muted > strings and loop it.............you are just creating a digital > drum machine. > It may be more creative than pushing pattern 10a on a drum machine > but it's the same thing: a sample being created and sequenced > in real time. > > The sadly lamented late Joe Zawinul said that a beautiful > constructed Synthesizer patch is every bit as beautiful as a > Stradivarius violin. > I actually agree with him. > > With drum machines, we just need to strive for the 'beautifully > constructed' part of that statement. > > Program on and remember............................someone may not > want to listen to your computer drum programming but > I don't like to listen to bluegrass, frankly (even the best there > is). Both expressions of human creation are equally valid > and as such are music with a capital M. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 21:24:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 027003BF54; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:50 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Cc: Mech In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74887 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Mech, Please keep us posted on your VG-99 impressions. As far as I know they haven't been available in the US so far (nowhere near me at least). I've been waiting to check one out at the local GC. All of my guitars (except my Dobro) are equipped with a Roland GK hex pickups. I am really excited about the processing possibilities of the 99. Can't wait to hear more about it. Best regards, Ted > In regard to the VG-99, I can't say I could be more pleased. The > FC-300 integrates flawlessly, even taking power from the VG. Very, > very useful in collaboration with that unit. > > However, one of the problems I will say with the Roland is that the > FC-300 manual is only a step or two above the Behringer's notoriously > unreadable manuals. The information is there, but you've got to play > hand's on with a unit before anything starts to make much sense. I > think this is where a lot of the confusion comes in. I know it's > certainly where I got such a rotten impression of the device before > one landed in my lap. > > Anyway, I should have more of a concrete impression soon. Within the > next 24 hours, I should be beginning the chore of actually > programming my laptop and Looperlative via the FC-300. I'll either > be back here to confirm that it's a viable device, or you'll hear me > swearing at what a piece of crap it is. Stay tuned.... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 21:24:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE3203BF5A; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070925172455.DQX6F.113540.root@fepweb03> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:24:55 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Cc: Mech In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74888 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Mech, Please keep us posted on your VG-99 impressions. As far as I know they haven't been available in the US so far (nowhere near me at least). I've been waiting to check one out at the local GC. All of my guitars (except my Dobro) are equipped with a Roland GK hex pickups. I am really excited about the processing possibilities of the 99. Can't wait to hear more about it. Best regards, Ted > In regard to the VG-99, I can't say I could be more pleased. The > FC-300 integrates flawlessly, even taking power from the VG. Very, > very useful in collaboration with that unit. > > However, one of the problems I will say with the Roland is that the > FC-300 manual is only a step or two above the Behringer's notoriously > unreadable manuals. The information is there, but you've got to play > hand's on with a unit before anything starts to make much sense. I > think this is where a lot of the confusion comes in. I know it's > certainly where I got such a rotten impression of the device before > one landed in my lap. > > Anyway, I should have more of a concrete impression soon. Within the > next 24 hours, I should be beginning the chore of actually > programming my laptop and Looperlative via the FC-300. I'll either > be back here to confirm that it's a viable device, or you'll hear me > swearing at what a piece of crap it is. Stay tuned.... ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 21:50:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BF4D33BF64; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 17:50:28 EDT Subject: Re: Looping in Uzbekistan To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cb3.1b52ecb4.342adca4_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74889 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:50:42 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cb3.1b52ecb4.342adca4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In a message dated 9/25/07 4:34:18 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes: > he's incredibly good AND interesting.=A0 >=20 yeah but he's not nice! p.s. anybody watching burns' THE WAR on PBS.....good stuff.....makes my mind= =20 spin! www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cb3.1b52ecb4.342adca4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/25/07 4:34:18 PM, looppool@cruzio.com writes:


    he's incredibly good=20= AND interesting.=A0


    yeah but he's not nice!

    p.s. anybody watching burns' THE WAR on PBS.....good stuff.....makes my mind= spin!



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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cb3.1b52ecb4.342adca4_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 22:49:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 91E363BF42; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=baahHuRe4wjeISKbDAV0RvbluaerDD9uZxiMhOUBD4kmTJokpXm87qfOmqysUd90dFPZrvlfFhLC76FDUFaErN8nSJEIdxaDryDLdQM7wpP1roI3VhhnK62lJN6HedKG7O6TZe61A2Zlydv26X7iV+j7axjth+Y3oX2SyfSDDAw=; X-YMail-OSG: 9EaikosVM1kwOYNDJ2tzMLO2TAXXc_B2_lCAAhq8CacH47jKBMNuGpG_CPTORIVoh_rXGbfcUvrz_cxtt0Hl29UxG2lJSzMViP0qHrvF5qVOEGRE72K5MXklxeICUA-- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:49:43 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: drum machine compression To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <546146.23235.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74890 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 22:49:45 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, Yes, I'll start my sequence on record and play the drums on a synth keyboard. I play what i feel or what imight think is appropriate. After I have gone through 4 lines of music94beats x 4 measures x 4 lines=64beats,I'll stop and set the length to 64. That gives me a verse. I might program a different 64 beat part for the chorus. Some 32 beats for bridge whatever. I'll go back and maybe quantize, maybe not. I may erase one midi note(instrument through the entire track and rerecord it so it is nonquantized. I don't do fills on the first pass because I'm not that good. i'll leave a hole with mabe just kick. I record again and add the fills until satisfied(on another track0. When all is well, I merge down to 1 track. (Alesis mmt8). Rig --- Chuck Silva wrote: > Hey Bill. > > I'd like to learn more about your drum programming > technics. Could > you elaborate on this? > > Chuck Silva > > On Sep 24, 2007, at 9:24 PM, bill bigrig wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I NEVER program beats in the machine. i set up my > > sequencer and play 64 note loops(1 verse) and only > > quantize 1 or 2 drums depending on the feel. Most > > people ask me who played the drums on the piece. > Of > > course, the sounds in the machine have a lot to do > > with it. You can't make a TR-505 sound like an > HR-16. > > Rig > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > ______________ > > Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel > answers from someone > > who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > > > http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469 > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 23:18:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B616C3BF50; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:18:02 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=YBr1moXCcjcqmNpScCPAlIq/bWWK4bOm2Pn566c7dLvp6c47azctCDK+Owfg7bPbb/XOGjGbeygbu5fDkpS1cGBsf/43U7D9V9gu8yG748rxotr6NDBGAmddZOe3iYgJ2OyNfNL/WqS2CSI+iFtrpZqi294be9NZ+VI3M/fJf/I=; X-YMail-OSG: nI.vZ0YVM1mFwIrLLaGwoPzjGaLZN.tUJELlrogAs6zLEaHt6J6ZIfVK3dghkBklp55tDwBlgIMO36gV7knK6c.y Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <092420071542.5071.46F7DAFA0007E19C000013CF2216566276020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <163808.29085.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <4XfGPC.A.1VG.qcZ-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74891 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:18:02 +0000 (UTC) hey mfc, do you mind sharing which one you bought,is it one of the new mac pros? cheers Luis --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > My new Mac arrived friday afternoon. I spent a few > hours moving programs, licences, etc. Generally > getting it setup to go. After a very long and > excruciatingly tedius dinner with the inlaws, I was > back to see what we could do with her. > As far as I can tell, I can load this bitch up with > cpu munching plug ins and programs and she just > laughs at me. At one point I had Sooperlooper, Live > 6.10, various delays, effects and compression all > going and the cpu was at about 45% with no hiccups, > clicks or distortion. I am extremly happy and the > possibilities leave me breathless. > The Motu UltraLite arrives tomorrow. So that should > improve the situation even more. > The one downside: as I sit to create, I am literally > confronted with so many more choices for sounds, > signal paths, etc. I tend to get a little > overwhelmed. Boo friggin hoo right? > > > MFC. > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Tue Sep 25 23:36:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 877E13BF5D; Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=BsRGTKEfXsjr7R4liAKEoQMwwhSne4aryqd6RsUffwh0mo58RcjiFIiikBaB5S07JadnvB/hNI4kaoG5YlMoP8bszmDPhxxMG/diatQ6e5Znhs3Q0/nABSKQgqxEGUgHZ+E1hkaThBGrrK+4K+xcCjjFV1B4sZSt2weckMMjaFY=; X-YMail-OSG: HAimxmQVM1mttfoZeOivsdYg5DATdcZ_GjpY7G1awU0L3y7u46l1tO9IeR60I_tAi_MqygaaaY3blXhJacfSFCa5KBUzWGuEUqU2o1KZXVc4KVQSVPoIWxejm8MPxQ-- Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: drum machines,samplers etc. To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <546146.23235.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <198000.7121.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74892 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:36:00 +0000 (UTC) Ive always been curious how people like thievery corporation,LTJ Bukem ,Beck hansen and a lot of the lounge and chillout groups work with their drum programing,it stands out and sounds very unique,i still love their grooves,are they relying mostly to compose on hardware or mostly software?live it seems they are mostly using hardware... Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 01:02:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D07393BF42; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:02:48 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=BKb0vTmVOfCI6JBdpdsSSJ/dUSMEKk+v8NX2rp311yw=; b=RCi8MsKfCTCfL76Eone4ernt/c+++0FSBAPr4U3HhoAuSowNp6I0sjhbDzAGX9HxDMp5z4c9kd9iKXHr4N+zfGkRmUkvdyQcmGeVeC9AMzsTlQj8WxkQC08gTrpqsmPoxPEpvHkU/BizQ3nMI8AXTGrF+qvyd1cfaS/Ti4YTVPo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=d+474z/5VM6fbXuw+kMQptriKlZo2seZq3SCxIAKczcFh8ZnIiv8ePMW80Sgy/FpxujEagFsqKa6KoHi3UBufxDEZ8VVa3wTlKkVHS0daYfGyCcRRMoBLwQixilnJ6RehM/N48fbPQTKBAhOdzyRYAVZonjoKj/roxhIUCBmg+8= Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:02:46 -0700 From: "Matt Davignon" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74893 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:02:48 +0000 (UTC) For me, what made the drum machine work was when I stopped looking at it for what it imitates (a drumset), and started using it for exactly what it is (a sampler with 255 samples in it that never change, but can be tweaked, all arranged in an interface that's good for finger tappers). Rick Walker went: >The hippest thing about drum machines , to me, is to use sounds that AREN'T >trapset drum sounds >so that we can have new and cool ways to experience grooving. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 01:03:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B22F3BF4A; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:03:17 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74894 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:03:42 +0000 (UTC) At 5:24 PM -0400 9/25/07, tEd =AE kiLLiAn wrote: > >Please keep us posted on your VG-99 impressions. Ted, I'll be happy to. And, if they still haven't=20 been released in the States by LY2k7, you're more=20 than welcome to give mine a test-whirl if you=20 make it down to Santa Cruz this year. I'm=20 planning on bringing it, along with my FrankenVox. Also, I've been posting updates on my impressions=20 over at the VG-99 mailing list on Yahoogroups.=20 Even though that group is ostensibly for those=20 interested in the VG "group buy", it's well on=20 its way to becoming the online support group for=20 VG-99 owners. If you can't read my posts online=20 over there, then let me know and I can re-copy=20 them here (or forward them in PM if no-one else=20 is interested). They're pretty long, and I don't=20 want to spam the entire group with OT data if=20 we're the only ones keeping up with it. >As far as I know they haven't been available in=20 >the US so far (nowhere near me at least). Nope, they've not been released in the US yet.=20 So far, I've only heard of availability in Japan=20 and Europe (either Scandinavia or Deutschland,=20 IIRC). I think they're still trying to ramp up=20 production to meet demand in this market, though.=20 So far, what I've heard is around Halloween(?).=20 We'll see. It was a complete fluke that I got one; I merely=20 lucked out. I just happened to be in Japan on=20 the week they were released at the end of July.=20 Spent the next few days maxxing out my ATM cards=20 until I had enough cash to get one, only to find=20 out they'd sold out everywhere. Again, sheer=20 dumb luck, but I think I found the last boxed=20 unit in stock in Shibuya, and have been a happy=20 camper ever since. :) >I am really excited about the processing possibilities of the 99. In short, I can tell you that it's a pretty cool=20 box. I've been posting a lot on the VG-99 list=20 about its shortcomings, but that's only so others=20 will know what they're getting into, and can make=20 an informed decision before throwing out their=20 cash. Overall, I'm very happy with mine. In=20 fact, I think I'll go into the other room and jam=20 a bit right now. :D Let me know if there are any specific questions=20 you think I might help out with! --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 01:07:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7F9B03BF3F; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6--139235658 Message-Id: <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 21:07:25 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74895 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:07:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-6--139235658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Mech, I would really like to hear about your VG99 experiences as well. I have been planning on getting one and would love to know your expert opinion. I am only interested in the synthesis side of things- I don't need to be able to model other guitar tones (and who really needs to be able to simulate a pickup 1/2 way up the neck?) Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 25, 2007, at 9:03 PM, Mech wrote: > Also, I've been posting updates on my impressions over at the VG-99 > mailing list on Yahoogroups. Even though that group is ostensibly > for those interested in the VG "group buy", it's well on its way to > becoming the online support group for VG-99 owners. If you can't > read my posts online over there, then let me know and I can re-copy > them here (or forward them in PM if no-one else is interested). > They're pretty long, and I don't want to spam the entire group with > OT data if we're the only ones keeping up with it. --Apple-Mail-6--139235658 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mech,

    I would really like to hear = about your VG99 experiences as well.
    I have been planning on = getting one and would love to know your expert opinion.

    I am only interested in the = synthesis side of things- I don't need to be able to model other guitar = tones (and who really needs to be able to simulate a pickup 1/2 way up = the neck?)

    Regards,=A0

    Jim Richmond

    On Sep 25, 2007, at = 9:03 PM, Mech wrote:

    Also, I've been posting = updates on my impressions over at the VG-99 mailing list on Yahoogroups. = Even though that group is ostensibly for those interested in the VG = "group buy", it's well on its way to becoming the online support group = for VG-99 owners.=A0 If you = can't read my posts online over there, then let me know and I can = re-copy them here (or forward them in PM if no-one else is = interested).=A0 They're = pretty long, and I don't want to spam the entire group with OT data if = we're the only ones keeping up with it.

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-6--139235658-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 01:26:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF21C3BF4A; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070925181833.00e3db70@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 18:29:27 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: problem w/live looping using mic - "Empty Scores" In-Reply-To: <6945824B-DBC6-43B0-BBAE-3E12C63FD9B1@zoekeating.com> References: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1A8353BE Resent-Message-ID: <77dMhB.A.mIG.MVb-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74896 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 01:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Zoe, excellent points about the improv 'vs' composed ideas. -Very much agree! :) As for empty scores, I too have been using this technique, (starting in 2002 at the First Women's Looping Festival) with a Repeater and an MC-505. Unfortunately, much of the PC looping software I've seen has accessibility issues with my screen reading software, so I am still using the 505, but still totally enjoy the spontaneity of doing empty scores live, as I feel it really lends a great feel to the music. I also really wanted something a bit different than the 'let's see how many loop layers we can add on top of eachother!' lol! Thanks for the post and have a great evening!... Smiles, Cara :) At 05:13 PM 9/23/2007 -0700, you wrote: >let's see...i started using the "empty score" analogy as a neat way >to describe this techie stuff to classical music people in a way they >understand. i do think of it that way, that a sequence of midi >commands IS a score, just in a different format. > >anyway, the technique is similar to what kid beyond is doing in that >we're both using midi clips within ableton live to control recording >and playback. > >differences: >1) in addition to ableton, i have 2 multi-track hardware loopers to >quickly create amorphous and layered loops >2) the "empty scores" are constructed of modules. each module is a >sequence of midi commands (anything really: record on track 2 for >four bars then fade out track 1 over the course of 8 bars; start >playing loopB on track 3 and stop all the other loops 4 bars later; >etc.). >3) the structure of a piece can be a bit like a choose-your-own- adventure >novels. each module i can trigger with my feet, or have it >be triggered by another musical event, or string batches of them >together in another module. i can therefore change the order of >events quite easily. or arrest the sequencing and move to manual >foot control if i'm feeling like improvising the rest of the >structure. i >4) some of the the compositions are that..."composed"...and so i have >the computer execute batches of modules in a certain order. obviously >every performance is still different because i am not a machine so >the arrangements can be quite varied if i use a different bowing >style, etc. i can always arrest the progression with my feet and >switch into manual mode. for example, in one of my recent pieces i >play a long, solo composition on the cello. meanwhile, i have the >computer silently sample segments of it in the background. then, 3 >minutes in, i press a foot pedal and BANG, a whole orchestra comes in >made up of all the sampled phrases. > >i've gotten pretty fluid with the programming and the execution to >the point that now this setup is extremely freeing. i can move >seamlessly between structured and improvised bits and i can so do >much more than i could do before. most importantly i don't have to be >linear which seemed to me one of the limitations of lets-build-layers- >on-top-of-layers-looping. i still use that technique ad nauseam of >course, but its nice to have a bit more musical freedom. > >also, i don't know if this is relevant, but i don't really make a >distinction between improvised and composed parts. and i don't find >the idea of a 'score' or 'structure' to be limiting since nearly >everything i do is about working within well defined boundaries, >maybe this is the classical musician in me. playing exactly the same >composition, 4 days in a row...is no different to me than >improvisation. i mean, each day is different and i am not >experiencing the same things the same way every day. so the music >will mean whatever it does at that particular moment, a moment which >can never be duplicated. don't know if that makes sense. but whether >or not i choose to improvise in the middle of a composition, is also >about what is happening right at that moment. i'm happy to have >finally found a method of playing that allows me to do that. > >one of my favorite "games" to play now is to take an empty score of a >particular composition, and then play different music into it. the >computer takes care of the arrangement and i just improvise and see >what happens. it's kind of like back in 2000 when i first started >playing at afterparties. i would play and my electronic music friends >would sample and manipulate me, and then i would react to that. but >now I AM IN CONTROL...HA HA HA (fade evil laughter) > >i'm sure other people are doing this too. > >On Sep 23, 2007, at 12:37 AM, J E wrote: > >>Hey Zoe, >> >>Not to make you blush more, but I've got to second the >>awesomeness comment. More than just impressed, I went >>and checked out your music, and its just plain great >>:). >> >>So, I don't know how much this is about the mics now, >>but I noticed that you say you use a >> >>"empty-score" (a blank musical framework in the form >>of pre-programmed midi sequences that I then play the >>music into) >> >>I've been experimenting with this idea, and was >>wondering, do you have the midi sequences as freely >>callable tools at your disposal (i.e. non-sequentially >>individually callable) or is the form locked in, and >>it varies more by what you play each time into the >>"empty-score". >> >>I was thinking through this idea with Kid Beyond over >>the summer, as one of his songs, 'Cathedrals', is more >>or less an empty score in ableton, that takes the >>input material and midi clips it around to form the >>song. At the far extreme you could even predeterimine >>the song as one giant clip, which would require you to >>know when to play what, but after you hit start, would >>not require foot switching etc. >> >>This of course is an extreme, and would be very >>limiting to amount of improvisation involved, but its >>a neat to look all the way to the end of the spectrum. >>I could also imagine a world, where composers of >>"empty-scores" could share their scores with other >>musicians, who could learn how to play them and come >>up with entirely different music, that would still be >>bound together to the fundamentals of the empty score >>loop architecture. You could even write some stuff >>down on a piece of paper, a "real" score to help an >>artist learn your "empty" score. >> >>What seems cool about the idea is not so much the >>codifying and reductionist thinking, but the concept >>that through speaking a common language, people could >>start sharing their architectures they've developed, >>their empty scores, with eachother, allowing us to be >>simultaneously loop players, of our own scores and >>other's scores, but also loop composers, of scores to >>share with other loop musicians. >> >>So, related to that idea, I was wondering, to you, or >>anyone else who's been working with these ideas, how >>much of your empty score is predetermined, and how >>much is left flexible ussually? What types of things >>do you program into those midi sequences (midiclips? >>Do you use ableton?). Looping changes? Bringing back >>old parts? Fade outs? Effects? >> >>I'm been working on this myself, using midiclips in >>ableton, but I've been stuggleing with setting up the >>architecture in a way that encourages creativity as >>opposed to giving me either too much to think about, >>or made me feel like I was playing in a box. >> >>Cheers, >>Jesse >> >> >> >>--- Zoe Keating wrote: >> >>>*blush* thank ye! >>> >>>hey, we all start somewhere. and even if music can >>>only be "hobby", >>>it is no less valid. >>> >>>my first looping gig was at y2k2 and i was so >>>nervous i could hardly >>>hold the bow. my most recent gig was on jay leno, on >>>tuesday (but not >>>looping alas...). >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_GHbuFlya4 >>> >>> >>>On Sep 22, 2007, at 9:52 AM, Chris D'Errico wrote: >>> >>>>By the way, I checked out your website & you're >>>amazing. >>>> >>>>My latest "project" is called "Sidewalk Beggar", a >>>humble >>>>undertaking considering your accomplishments. >>> >> >> >> >> >>______________________________________________________________________ >>______________ >>Got a little couch potato? >>Check out fun summer activities for kids. >>http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities >>+for+kids&cs=bz > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 03:32:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 49E353BF2B; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:32:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008501c7ffee$00dfba30$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "Chuck Silva" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:33:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74898 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:32:54 +0000 (UTC) chuck wrote, among other things: "> I'd just like to thank you for your inspired and intelligent > thoughts. As a trained musician, I looked down on 'Techno' and for years > I resisted the technology. About a year ago out of curiosity I bought > Reason. Now have thousands and thousands of dollars tied up in this > powerful musical venue. What a sweet letter, Chuck. Thank you very much for the acknolwedegements. You seriously brought an appreciative smile to my face and made my day, today. I have a similar story. I have been a professional gigging/touring and session percussionist/drummer for a very long time and, started seriously loopoing digitally in 1995 and, right at the cusp of the millenium change I invested in a computer music making studio (PC based) and just threw myself into making electronic music. I just became obsessed about it all, from live looping to computer assisted sound design and composition. The ability to sculpt musical sound and found objects in the computer is just unending and for a while I considered myself as much of a Timbralist as a Rhythmatist (as I'd always thought of myself in years prior). I almost completely quit drumming at that time................really only concentrating on frame drumming for several years and only playing percussion or trapset drumming when I was paid a lot of money to do it in recording sessions or short tours (or during drum lessons which I continued to teach). After a 7 year immersion in that world, I suddenly finding myself returning to the world of acoustic music with brand new ears. I've recently fallen in love with my first great love, the drumset and I have been learning as much as I can about trumpet, fretless bass and a whole host of zither styled instruments lately. When Woodstockhausen was lamentably rained out, I found myself with a day off for the first time in the longest time (I"m my own boss and it's tough for me to walk away from the office as it's my house). I spent an entire evening tuning my Autoharp, my Bowed Psaltery and my Marxaphone (the latter to a favorite Indian Rag: Bhairav ---- 1, b2, nat3, 4, 5, b6, nat 7, 8va) and I've been loving moving my new acoustic Shertler convertable pickup from instrument to instrument. All wonderfully acoustic, but I've been throwing it through stomp box pedals and can't wait to record some so I can get all those juicy Cycling 74 Hipno and Pluggo plugins going on the sounds. I've also found that I really enjoy trying to make acoustic instruments sound electronic with acoustic methods instead of electronic ones. I've even started working on an idea I've had for a long time: an all acoustic drumset that sounds as if it was an electronic drumset. I figured that so many people are trying to make electronics sound 'real', 'organic' or like acoustic instruments so I'd go in the exact opposite direction. I've been buying really strange one of a kind proprietary effects cymbals at NAMM and the PASIC convention, where the manufacturers trot out their latest R&D exercises hoping that the notoriously conservative drumset world will go for these new ideas. They rarely do go for it, so they always sell these prototypes on the last afternoon of these conventions. I've amassed a really cool collection of smallish (13" and under) cymbals that sound as if they have processing on them. My wife the other day discovered all these cool sounds that you can make by holding a small Revere ware cooking pot lid and hitting it's wooden handle. We got at least three sounds that are remarkably similar to Roland TR-808 sounds. Additionally, I've been treating drums and cymbals by putting different kinds of chains and pieces of metal on them to cause what I call 'acoustic distortion'. I have a little rack that holds three little custom fiberglass tom toms that I converted to 6", 8", and 10" 'Jungle' snare drums. I play these with little teeny 10" meinl hi hat cymbals that sound like they are normal hi hats pitched up on a sampler with a little 14" Pure cussion flat drum, tuned low with thick black naugahyde glued to both sides and kluged to an LP Gajate cowbell footpedal bracket. This left side of my drumset is tuned to sound like a breakbeat drumset pitched up from 120 BPM in a sampler to 160 BPM. The right side of the drumset has two terrible and very low pitched 16" 1960's Japanese crash cymbals (when the Japanese made truly terrible cymbals...........which I have grown to love because they are so idiosyncratic sounding) put together loosely like hi hats. The kick drum is a huge 14" X 16" kick drum (ala Bonham) tuned really, really low and flabby........the snare is a really deep 8" X 14" Ludwig Coliseum snare drum that I have tuned very low and with really loose snares. This side of the drumset is the same drumset tuned down an octave so that I have my double speed "JUNGLE" kit and a half speed "TRIP HOP" drumset. The whole thing takes up very little space (just a little larger than a typical 4 piece drumset) and sounds cool. Now if I could just get some looping gigs where they'll let me set up for two hours..............lol. 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From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 07:23:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 47D2F3BF3F; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "nick@12testing.net" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:23:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: fc300 Reply-To: nick@12testing.net Message-ID: <46FA1709.8280.F2225@nick.12testing.net> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74899 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 07:23:56 +0000 (UTC) On 25 Sep 2007 at 14:55, Mech wrote: > >I wish they had offered the > >pedals as optional upgrades - firstly some people don't use/need them > >and secondly it's useful to position the pedals on the other end of > >the board, or even away from it (eg for a wah pedal at the front of > >the stage). > Not really following you here. Sorry, to be unclear. Exp *sockets* are fine - the more the merrier, but I meant the actual exp pedals - why not just offer the footswitches and let people plug their own pedals in if desired. Just a thought ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 08:16:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3DFA83BF05; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=6k611dfg1DSJ4D0pj1jFtCJhAqg96L4vjZoojmKufeI=; b=lu/4hoqODzDZsgck++7LU2oCP13mpjlWgIsZtDPloJU5/zztcTOxgNOdyOnJhwmjXnkTWtg4JWEz4wHl98eZpsWTVKew/Ps3rzxoHZSD863o6M01u8xYocm5ToDxYx/UiCdvGU45vftItS8BHptVdtYlTLnDwYem88IEsExDkRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hdGMqSJumhV32GWoQ7ORQclXB1pF53KZpo3QRJGrH4kQSXsoTyYbWjYIgS2wGT5FnvphfxVV+enjtnIznH7hB27cYJJd58WvfI3vU0JL2IN7U5YmUnUS9XaI43Pj5tzhQmetQ1w6grfWqtuDUFTOy4UQx0dLEIq5D/tFXKxTEwc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20070925181833.00e3db70@mail.onemodelplace.com> References: <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <118851.52921.qm@web56914.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20070925181833.00e3db70@mail.onemodelplace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2C27C145-45C4-4D89-A145-D6138CEDF951@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: "Empty Scores" - my methodology Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:16:31 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74900 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Hi GAng, My standing "Empty Score" is five loop slots to fill up with noise. The restriction of only five alternative loops was good for technical reasons on the Echoplex, as for not wasting all of its 16 MB memory right away and start loosing undo history. When I moved to Mobius as my main looper there were no such technical limitation, but I still decided to keep the "Maximal number of loops" to five by default. Even though all loops do change during the performance of a piece, I understand that it would bee too overwhelming, for the listener, with more than five interchanging loops morphing in and out. After all, you can make drastic changes to the music even without having to change the loop. Here are the three (technical) ways I use for creating musical change (as in different themes, chord changes, new sounds etc etc) 1. Going Next/Previous Loop. 2. Moving along the Undo/Redo history chain. 3. Rate Shift of loop (altering pitch and loop length). Now, these three basic techniques for variation are the simple tools in service of the greater purpose, "The Composition" or "The Musical Vision". The focus of my interest in looping is to develop ways to instantly crate sounding music out musical vision. I'm finding the above related methodology extremely inspiring and I'm hoping that others will too :-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 08:45:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B94213BF54; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=U1PiSAn0ES5ojwQ0ge0kC8jCfOMR3Gl6OFa04tt8TbU=; b=sJJ5wdxCqmH8MsZSsStSt1JuKQGLZLNgRaAuXKS0kX7tWFgUH3LcYyZdztERLfMAVQn//b6Ab+QoibwvtoUrkZElHoupEJYc8YLr5AO4gbC3ggP7mIyNc58mdG0UVRo5+tCXk6v9k+5LunTW2eiKPPNJH0utWkAgpoZmLdF2k5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=mmFpnI7yV2dqoGAqPnPCYDUJ316Th4FWmuO6phqE/K4XvAChBuv63aRbcavWIzZ//ulZQ+ZAdVGsbVlcSCm56L/qz2jIAJU6f83jD+yrifiau/N/QdLGisxxTGE0WdLvzcqWmbkkBfB+qEBS19+/JIL02ei11+iy46liLDBaP+k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <198000.7121.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <198000.7121.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7F979DA5-DB47-458D-8AE1-2BF04124492A@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: The "drum n bass" sampler program trick (Re: drum machines,samplers etc.) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:45:26 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <8Xo_DC.A.AYB.rwh-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74901 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:45:31 +0000 (UTC) On 26 sep 2007, at 01.35, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Ive always been curious how people like thievery > corporation,LTJ Bukem ,Beck hansen and a lot of the > lounge and chillout groups work with their drum > programing,it stands out and sounds very unique,i > still love their grooves,are they relying mostly to > compose on hardware or mostly software?live it seems > they are mostly using hardware... > Luis At least regarding LTJ Bukem I can tell you one common method. It's the typical "breakbeat-jungle-drum-n-bass" sampler trick. Start by sampling a drum loop - why not the Amen break? ;-) Let the sampler detect every transient in the sound file. In drumming this equals isolating every drum hit ("loop slicing"). Have the sampler map each hit to a MIDI note number, so that you will get the first hit on the C1 key, the second hit on the C#1 key etc. This should do for some one or two octaves of sliced drum hits in the order of the original drum loop. Now, open the settings for the first hit, mapped at C1, and move its loop point all the way to the end of the sample. This means that this note, C1, will be the only one that plays back the complete original loop. Then set all sample zones to a high release value, so they will play back without needing to hold down the key. Restrict the sampler instrument program's available voices to just one, so that every new note thrown in will choke the previous playing sound. Also apply pitch bend to the sampler instrument program. And loop each sample region ("slice"). Eventually assign a second MIDI CC# to swap playback direction of the zones, for reversed hits. This virtual sampler instrument can be played by hand from a MIDI keyboard or drum pad kit, but also be fed MIDI sequences. The first time I remember setting up this (as it was to become) "drum and bass" sampler program was in 1992 and then on hardware samplers as the Akai S1000 and the Roland S-330. But it's much faster to do it in software samplers. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 09:16:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5C3863BF5B; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Trace: 627441811-mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com-B2C-$THROTTLED-DYNAMIC-CUSTOMER-DYNAMIC-IP X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 79.66.146.76 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4HABXA+UZPQpJM/2dsb2JhbACCIwSjEA Message-ID: <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:16:56 +0100 From: andy butler User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (Windows/20061207) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> In-Reply-To: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74902 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:16:41 +0000 (UTC) > Remember, when you pat out a rhythm on your guitar with muted strings > and loop it.............you are just creating a digital drum machine. > It may be more creative than pushing pattern 10a on a drum machine but > it's the same thing: a sample being created and sequenced > in real time. > hi Rick, well, I have to disagree somewhat. After all, I could save myself a whole lot of effort by getting a drum machine for live playing if I thought the result would be just as listenable. ...and somehow I think you're already familiar with the ideas I describe here :-) (tho' thanks for all the drum machine tricks, never know when those are going to be useful) For a start, in the drum machine the samples are already created, and are created for commercial reasons by folk who aren't using them as a form of expression. Acoustic percussion sounds ( and gtr perc )all have different attacks, and this influences the rhythmic placement needed to make them sound in time, and also opens up the possibility to rhythmically offset one sound against another. Typically, a sound with slower attack can be played a bit earlier, but that's just the start of what is possible. Essentially the range of what is perceptually "in time" is much greater than if all the attacks sounded similar. Drum machines have a very particular sort of sound which is designed so that when you play the sounds rigidly, everything comes out exactly in time. Or at least, all the ones I heard do. I'm sure you heard the difference, and worked with it already. If you take a rhythm that was played on a vintage jazz trapset (nice and loose)and recreate it exactly with the sounds from a Roland plastic box the results will just seem out of time. In any case, the drum machine doesn't have the resolution to do that sort of timing. but mainly the difference is one is live ( with the exciting possibility of failure ;-) the other is canned andy butler From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 12:31:21 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6ADDA3BF5D; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <011901c80039$393c05f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: ATTENTION: Cara Quinn, Greg Williams and LOOP STATION! contact me ASAP about Y2K7 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:31:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74903 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:31:21 +0000 (UTC) Dear Cara, Greg, Robin and Sam, The email addresses I have for you are being returned as undeliverable Cara............the one I have is caraquinn@onemodelplace.com Robin and Sam, the one I have is booking@loopthis.com Greg, I have lost your email address in my computer meltdown last week and can't seem to find you on the web or at Loopers Delight. I have time sensitive material to send to all of you about the Y2K7 Loop Festival performances you are scheduled to make. Please contact me ASAP with alternative email addresses and I'll send the three numbered and important emails I sent out to the other performers. Thanks a lot, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 12:33:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F0593BF64; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Cc: "KRISPEN HARTUNG" , "CPR aka Chris Roberts" , "TED KILLIAN" Subject: OFFICIAL SCHEDULE Y2K7 LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL rev 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:33:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74904 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Y2K7 INTERNATIONAL LIVE LOOPING FESTIVAL Pearl Alley Studios 120 Pearl Alley, Santa Cruz, Ca. (one half block west of the Pacific Garden Mall) for more information (including venue, etc.) go to www.y2kloopfest.com FRIDAY, October 19th schedule: stage right = -1 stage left = -2 8:00 HENRY KAISER (USA) Headliner -2 8:45 ERDEM HAVICIOGLU (Turkey) Headliner -1 9:30 ARILD ANSERSEN (Norway) Headliner -2 10:15 KAISER/ANDERSEN/WALKER trio -2 SATURDAY, October 20th schedule stage right = -1 stage left = -2 12:30 Adam Ant the Plumber -1 1:00 Peter Cor -2 1:30 Craig McCoullough -1 2:00 Chris Cohn -2 2:30 CYPOD-1 3:00 Chris Cohn -2 3:30 Matt Davignon -1 4:00 Kevin Kissinger (technology premier) -2 4:30 Aaron Leese (technology premier))-1 5:00 Monk (Ric Hordinski)-2 5:30 Duke Sexton -1 6:00 Joe Rut -2 DINNER BREAK: 7:20 MAYORS PRESENTATIONL: EMILY REILLY presents proclamations to the Headlining Artists and officially declares "International Live Looping Day; in the city of Santa Cruz 7:30 FABIO ANILE (Italy) Headliner -2 8:00 Bill Walker -1 8:30 Randolf Arriola (Singapore) featured performer -2 9:00 Per Boysen (Sweden) -1 9:30 Genie - 2 10:00 China Painting -1 10:30 Margaret Noble -2 11:00 Cyoakha -1 11:30 Barry Cleveland -2 SUNDAY, October 21st schedule: for more information (including venue, etc.) go to www.y2kloopfest.com stage right = -1 stage left = -2 noon Glenn Smith -2 12:30 Bob Amstadt -1 1:00 Harry Weinberg-2 1:30 Justin Cassidy -1 2:00 Cara Quinn -2 2:30 John Hanes -1 3:00 JD Devros -2 3:30 Craig Williams -1 4:00 Doug Cox -2 4:30 Michael Klobuchar -1 5:00 Gary Regina -2 5:30 Craig Green -1 6:00 Richard Sales (Canada) -2 DINNER BREAK 7:30 LEANDER REININGHAUS (Germany) HEADLINER -2 8:00 Dan Mayfield (England) Featured Performer -1 8:30 LOOP STATION! -2 9:00 Whooleylicious-1 9:30 China Painting (US/Mexico) Featured Performers -2 10:00 Craig Green -1 10:30 Carl Weingarten -2 11:00 Krispen Hartung - 1 11:30 Mark Hamburg -2 MONDAY, October 22nd schedule: 1 p.m. Annual Loopers Brunch Walnut Street Cafe 106 Walnut Avenue (one half block west of the Pacific Garden Mall) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 14:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB4393BF5A; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:32:33 +0000 Message-Id: <092620071432.8435.46FA6D81000A8FBF000020F32215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8435_1190817153_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74905 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:32:35 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8435_1190817153_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, MacBook Pro DuoCore 2.4 with the 7200 rpm drive. I maxed out my Visa, but it is sooo worth it. I can run Guitar Rig, SooperLooper, Reverbs in Live 6.10 with no issues. I am having so much fun. I played my first gig last night with it. Just acoustic guitar, but It was great. I had many more effects at my disposal. Both Acoustic and Vocals into a Motu UltraLite, then out to 2 small Peavey Speakers. Smallest rig ever, yet so, so powerful. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "L.A. Angulo" > hey mfc, > do you mind sharing which one you bought,is it one of > the new mac pros? > cheers > Luis > > > > --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > My new Mac arrived friday afternoon. I spent a few > > hours moving programs, licences, etc. Generally > > getting it setup to go. After a very long and > > excruciatingly tedius dinner with the inlaws, I was > > back to see what we could do with her. > > As far as I can tell, I can load this bitch up with > > cpu munching plug ins and programs and she just > > laughs at me. At one point I had Sooperlooper, Live > > 6.10, various delays, effects and compression all > > going and the cpu was at about 45% with no hiccups, > > clicks or distortion. I am extremly happy and the > > possibilities leave me breathless. > > The Motu UltraLite arrives tomorrow. So that should > > improve the situation even more. > > The one downside: as I sit to create, I am literally > > confronted with so many more choices for sounds, > > signal paths, etc. I tend to get a little > > overwhelmed. Boo friggin hoo right? > > > > > > MFC. > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, > photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8435_1190817153_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Yes, MacBook Pro DuoCore 2.4 with the 7200 rpm drive. I maxed out my Visa, but it is sooo worth it. I can run Guitar Rig, SooperLooper, Reverbs in Live 6.10 with no issues. I am having so much fun.
    I played my first gig last night with it. Just acoustic guitar, but It was great. I had many more effects at my disposal. Both Acoustic and Vocals into a Motu UltraLite, then out to 2 small Peavey Speakers.
    Smallest rig ever, yet so, so powerful.
     
    MFC
     
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>

    > hey mfc,
    > do you mind sharing which one you bought,is it one of
    > the new mac pros?
    > cheers
    > Luis
    >
    >
    >
    > --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote:
    >
    > > My new Mac arrived friday afternoon. I spent a few
    > > hours moving programs, licences, etc. Generally
    > > getting it setup to go. After a very long and
    > > excruciatingly tedius dinner with the inlaws, I was
    > > back to see what we could do with her.
    > > As far as I can tell, I can load this bitch up with
    > > cpu munching plug ins and programs and she just
    > > laughs at me. At one point I had Sooperlooper, Live
    > > 6.10, various delays, effects and compression all
    > > goin g and the cpu was at about 45% with no hiccups,
    > > clicks or distortion. I am extremly happy and the
    > > possibilities leave me breathless.
    > > The Motu UltraLite arrives tomorrow. So that should
    > > improve the situation even more.
    > > The one downside: as I sit to create, I am literally
    > > confronted with so many more choices for sounds,
    > > signal paths, etc. I tend to get a little
    > > overwhelmed. Boo friggin hoo right?
    > >
    > >
    > > MFC.
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________________________________________________________
    > ____
    > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news,
    > photos & more.
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    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8435_1190817153_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 16:13:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2CBA23BF47; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:13:36 -0700 From: David Auker User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74906 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:30 +0000 (UTC) How about tempo? Seems a default tempo on sequencers/metronomes is 100-120 bpm. Does this have some correlation to the human pulse or something? Do we "march to a different drum, or basically the same drum?" :-) David From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 16:22:02 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC8BE3BF5A; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=gP4q3tXQceHsTQRfneiBoavHlBIEWfMLjQ7luzz1XrA=; b=H9BSqdnUYsGqdqPh6VQ+VfHUYvDKL1usLrEjMA3KhCHsUxf5zQjm7D4EFyQzHJU83SmGyeffa9GdOHvD6DAftZTjerXP5C/czYyA1+OaHGqsrlOPfdhfk6xXYmdIB9kKtzSVj+Xvk4lkm23kbiqKJDwHllpB8znnOo9FII2diRA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=tHdcShzAXM2A9fc0BzNTBflCHbzPJsGmbxJGCFwQCvMJF4sgXRzSp99Tl1F0ByhdwOSF1EkYNkXTJVFLt50QRQHDQV3KILMMXQOUQDyjAEbXxV7Z54WFCV1yjf8XdVf+2ur+oBvKsos5mKne8D4ADQwGLqgXZyrmerJv6FUY+dA= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <665EA8BE-25A7-44EE-AE65-909E5DAD260C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Tempo (Re: Drum MACHINES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:21:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <5Brr4C.A.ySB.pco-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74907 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:22:01 +0000 (UTC) On 26 sep 2007, at 18.13, David Auker wrote: > How about tempo? Seems a default tempo on sequencers/metronomes is > 100-120 bpm. Does this have some correlation to the human pulse or > something? Not mine, that's for sure ;-) I like lower tempi, as 60-90 bpm, so that you may also play in "double tempo". This is the dub and drum-n- bass idiom. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 17:04:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 30C553BF4E; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <665EA8BE-25A7-44EE-AE65-909E5DAD260C@gmail.com> References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> <665EA8BE-25A7-44EE-AE65-909E5DAD260C@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9--81840081 Message-Id: <524573D2-D08D-48E4-B5C9-0C45ED139037@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Tempo (Re: Drum MACHINES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 13:04:00 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74908 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:04:05 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-9--81840081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed >> How about tempo? Seems a default tempo on sequencers/metronomes >> is 100-120 bpm. Does this have some correlation to the human >> pulse or something? > > > Not mine, that's for sure ;-) I like lower tempi, as 60-90 bpm, so > that you may also play in "double tempo". This is the dub and drum- > n-bass idiom. The reason that 120bpm is the default is that it was decided that it is roughly the heart rate of a 'normal' person engaging in moderate physical activity (ie dancing). I can't remember how I know this- I remember being told by someone who was in the know at some point in the past- blame my years of clubbing and attendant recreational pharmaceutical habits for this lapse in ...um... ... er... ... what was I talking about again? Regards, Jim Richmond --Apple-Mail-9--81840081 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

    How about = tempo?=A0 Seems a default = tempo on sequencers/metronomes is 100-120 bpm.=A0 Does this have some = correlation to the human pulse or something?



    Not mine, that's for sure = ;-)=A0 I like lower tempi, = as 60-90 bpm, so that you may also play in "double tempo". This is the = dub and drum-n-bass idiom.


    The reason that 120bpm is the = default is that it was decided that it is roughly the heart rate of a = 'normal' person=A0 engaging in moderate physical activity (ie = dancing).

    I = can't remember how I know this- I remember being told by someone who was = in the know at some point in the past- blame my years of clubbing = and=A0attendant=A0recreational=A0pharmaceutical=A0habits for this lapse = in ...um...=A0
    ... er...=A0
    ... what was I talking = about again?

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond
    = --Apple-Mail-9--81840081-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 17:22:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 11E223BF27; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <005901c80061$ee25c6e0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:23:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19nHaZvukHt98WUUsjSjLwg51XuNmkKZczRO/J rF4VJkuDLl0wzOt/zo4U0/n+FZDot+JtN2fQJEZdm4kiXuVcnc tpYYfoO/HL3Kyi24THgRjLe/M+04VOq Resent-Message-ID: <8ndJ7C.A.LZF.kVp-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74909 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:22:45 +0000 (UTC) i'd say 120 is two per second and therefore easy to correlate to the metronome. and a default of 100 just looks cool...! tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Auker" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES > How about tempo? Seems a default tempo on sequencers/metronomes is > 100-120 bpm. Does this have some correlation to the human pulse or > something? Do we "march to a different drum, or basically the same drum?" > :-) > > David > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 18:04:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D23283BF20; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=xnJgZLENgDRP7tlKAaivAFGidQCmbpC7BIkT39yRW7A=; b=tJzs94YNXLYLemXokeQVM9kx/GdV6mubR+EZ+m2KavRl1IUtsjiIb0XgelVzw7kZ9vrBtxI3McgdC1ITKldML8mujlq5WZFsifaiMGpdx0il9tqniSRthWvHjeRPrTvXiw+/AVP5aHrCsbSjpMJcEjPx24ahyB03EBCu2DqI4XQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ETuBdgkilCblyLh3XN+MvE6h+zzT2aZ7OjlY3GgDr6Lcfql5lSuUWbkAHmMvRnfmrmVX7iMlF/FGX/+YWbxb6O40dlTy7UfnHVTye7onfydGVE1dXhHymFlziWw8c7fa1BhZT7jJCQvX3mTf6LEeJ8y9zEwgGDxN+12IRvRWsH0= In-Reply-To: <005901c80061$ee25c6e0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> <005901c80061$ee25c6e0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: 99 - OT? (Re: Drum MACHINES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:04:12 +0200 To: Loopers X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_jli3B.A.8Q.h8p-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74910 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:04:17 +0000 (UTC) On 26 sep 2007, at 19.23, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > i'd say 120 is two per second and therefore easy to correlate to > the metronome. > and a default of 100 just looks cool...! I beg to disagree - 100 looks lame. 99 is the way to go! My vote for ninety nine! ----- just wait, I'll post a poll! p ;-) (don't worry, just joking tonight. In the OT mode...) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 18:25:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6BB3C3BF4D; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=RfLbKhKFoECye2TI0rkJQEC37co1g7r7ZjeNxmz/sCA=; b=kC5PJG+tlX/0RMtqgTLwFeihMVru3AORThCUtogTqD4nifBm0plK1n6E8qjRR3E3HtP8Q8iwuTS+RdV+xfxwDtWXcnyoy+pUEo/H13YemkAI5L4zJQZQ1UbseA2AyyKsw7gBdeUQzADh351ztXCWlDj7aaGZcfYQfFhTAvvMQsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XrVIj63rg2PLe8lgsss79LvtxMxZuyy34m0+XFFyqRJiIQM24sayPv/vgtHkMBKmLQNOYPXHCvQok9Zl05FNgOj9ohuhq268teuxI2zcDmc+s+HTwsB/VT98BbVx6s2JIzZnFPOurDzGjMrdI5DGyHf6SOFindXIaaU0LuQZFS0= In-Reply-To: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <31DE9B41-07FD-4D87-AFF6-7137DB4E9902@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Facebook's music "store": iLike Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:25:52 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3lq1x.A.gSB.3Qq-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74911 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:25:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Thanks to UK looper Steve Lawson I discovered the social networking web browser application "Facebook" half a year ago. Since then it has been lurking on my computer without much in the loop. Until a few weeks ago, because suddenly Facebook exploded here in Scandinavia. And the other day they started a music section named "iLike" where musicians can upload their own music. If someone here is interested in doing so the URL is: http://www.ilike.com/ But it doesn't seem to be much of activity yet on iLike. I created an artist page there and still after 24 hours its "interactivity meeter" says > People who like Per Boysen: > Nobody has said they like this artist yet. Oh, well... that's the punishment for pretending to be eclectic ;-) Then I decided to post a flyer for Y2KY there. A nice interface where people can tic a button if they intend to go to a posted gig. But my Y2KY gig still says > Concert goers: > 1 person is going. ...and that person is me (trying out the system). It's just embarrassing, but I couldn't find a way to delete my selection ;-) Anyway, it seems every damn detail is run through recommendation engines to be matched. If iLike catches on it might grow into an effective music promotion channel where listeners will be able to "cut off the crap" and artists reach out to those interested few. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 19:29:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1098C3BF54; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4pniOUY4B5H2K/cLOop5E43y20ZCAEBnQtFMomaUfTwRUwTeqURwj+JLVw42lb5lS79p6hBNRZUAMqO8/GfhQoICmkp5q6qsq8ZSeO9+cCRwBqpmUVM0tBOf84z9KjonVsKHXMOOChkC4h3t7dYh66HQqczhAlAuXXO0jNIxtOE=; X-YMail-OSG: 9O8jjYwVM1llJwlpNa6A8RwYKVwjWhrVWQi6TVe2suk_vBTK7aN3UFtsNszhuP50OyJJpAqiDGkB3cNyPwKY8V9R Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:29:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <092620071432.8435.46FA6D81000A8FBF000020F32215575114020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74912 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:29:30 +0000 (UTC) thanx man,have u got windows XP installed on it as well? do yu think it would work just as good with it installed?i am gettin close to buying one and ive never owned one but still debating wether i should get a mac pro or one of those laps from PC audiolabs,although since ive worked with the echoplex for so long id like to stay with a software close to it like mobius... cheers Luis --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > Yes, MacBook Pro DuoCore 2.4 with the 7200 rpm > drive. I maxed out my Visa, but it is sooo worth it. > I can run Guitar Rig, SooperLooper, Reverbs in Live > 6.10 with no issues. I am having so much fun. > I played my first gig last night with it. Just > acoustic guitar, but It was great. I had many more > effects at my disposal. Both Acoustic and Vocals > into a Motu UltraLite, then out to 2 small Peavey > Speakers. > Smallest rig ever, yet so, so powerful. > > MFC > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "L.A. Angulo" > > > hey mfc, > > do you mind sharing which one you bought,is it one > of > > the new mac pros? > > cheers > > Luis > > > > > > > > --- midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > > > > My new Mac arrived friday afternoon. I spent a > few > > > hours moving programs, licences, etc. Generally > > > getting it setup to go. After a very long and > > > excruciatingly tedius dinner with the inlaws, I > was > > > back to see what we could do with her. > > > As far as I can tell, I can load this bitch up > with > > > cpu munching plug ins and programs and she just > > > laughs at me. At one point I had Sooperlooper, > Live > > > 6.10, various delays, effects and compression > all > > > going and the cpu was at about 45% with no > hiccups, > > > clicks or distortion. I am extremly happy and > the > > > possibilities leave me breathless. > > > The Motu UltraLite arrives tomorrow. So that > should > > > improve the situation even more. > > > The one downside: as I sit to create, I am > literally > > > confronted with so many more choices for sounds, > > > > signal paths, etc. I tend to get a little > > > overwhelmed. 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FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 19:57:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EAABC3BF60; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=w6LmIkUsvR5XIUSyTTB2UtNg1hiyxObatmtOwGsELBM=; b=B0ITFUcoSOT3CZJjlNpxENrbXZEIuGk2YJ2YWaVpenwJHGv3cV3QDODYJDx1M+LZPWnOW+WRydxfrlpi4KGb2BfWIYlz8c6xSfvoV684NOeVL+LF6me48XOZFSXB4cOXhaJ67QK+3Mq8euXhOPSI/9G+PvsFR77U1cp6xRGMWzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=sBvuJyA+tURKb/68I2XXBxbUU+1zYYP/pJXbD+K8y5XQJ5GiegkfVowhufnhqnmI3v35u0sdolHvR5oYQOUGxLDDGDeLHbJ59jPdZC9n/oSXU/bKOTCS4RWbv4lVnh8NeWC0paixYLMfkkBiFSe2p+Tqnbu5DOmSePggdRPsb/k= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:57:24 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74913 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:57:30 +0000 (UTC) On 26 sep 2007, at 21.29, L.A. Angulo wrote: > thanx man,have u got windows XP installed on it as > well? do yu think it would work just as good with it > installed?i am gettin close to buying one and ive > never owned one but still debating wether i should get > a mac pro or one of those laps from PC > audiolabs,although since ive worked with the echoplex > for so long id like to stay with a software close to > it like mobius... Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for Mobius as well? You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft license though. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 19:59:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75E063BF65; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=UnmhNk1Rb+wZeb8Nyd463WFdBqawJ5gC71qEItT2y7UxukjHtI5iDKXY6f1pnXA4++/jm7WfdN4yKISF4DNLG0bVCPwDRlG2dODWe3Wa4mMqSRXfyap2ibyh4mbpXlzbWgWmuu46G4DiPjEs4NwZb1w/JWnePxRxbA/EsDCGpsg=; X-YMail-OSG: BkiqzCAVM1m2QJEKr5LMUe2YRjIpLOi9N4Tq2JiZUovjXtihlJbd4_s3puNc9AkdbSGT_0CQsFNNFUYikftbvrruUQMn9CS4UblAX2SWC8vCTJ.Z1ZHgi27udDvSqA-- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Subject: Re: Facebook's music "store": iLike To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <31DE9B41-07FD-4D87-AFF6-7137DB4E9902@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <27959.76875.qm@web34204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74914 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC) I catch your drift fellow Brother Loopty Looper!!! Be expecting me very soon! Daniel T. Albertini Guitar Works --- Per Boysen wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to UK looper Steve Lawson I discovered the social networking > web browser application "Facebook" half a year ago. Since then it has > been lurking on my computer without much in the loop. Until a few > weeks ago, because suddenly Facebook exploded here in Scandinavia. > And the other day they started a music section named "iLike" where > musicians can upload their own music. If someone here is interested > in doing so the URL is: http://www.ilike.com/ > > But it doesn't seem to be much of activity yet on iLike. I created an > artist page there and still after 24 hours its "interactivity meeter" > says > > > People who like Per Boysen: > > Nobody has said they like this artist yet. > > Oh, well... that's the punishment for pretending to be eclectic ;-) > Then I decided to post a flyer for Y2KY there. A nice interface where > people can tic a button if they intend to go to a posted gig. But my > Y2KY gig still says > > > Concert goers: > > 1 person is going. > > ...and that person is me (trying out the system). It's just > embarrassing, but I couldn't find a way to delete my selection ;-) > > Anyway, it seems every damn detail is run through recommendation > engines to be matched. If iLike catches on it might grow into an > effective music promotion channel where listeners will be able to > "cut off the crap" and artists reach out to those interested few. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 21:26:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CD6863BF6B; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=M73splBmy1EA2taIez0A:9 a=J8cBKOCA2LqxJCRSWKw1GYQdPHMA:4 a=pQ2a0EFxmsAA:10 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.52.216.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <002301c80083$d99f4a30$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:26:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74915 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0000 (UTC) I love the concept of this but it seems a pretty complicated program for a (not complete) novice like me. I already have acid music studio (which I don't use much) and sound forge lite. do you think that the lighter fruity loops version would be enough? I want to create then load some unusual sounding drum loops into my digi jamman for occasionally popping into my improv looping. thanks, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Drum MACHINES > The hippest thing about drum machines , to me, is to use sounds that > AREN'T trapset drum sounds > so that we can have new and cool ways to experience grooving. > > That's why I've been such a ceaseless advocate for the software program > Fruity Loops (FLStudio Producers Edition > as it is now, more stately, referred to). It has a drum machine > interface that is really easy to use but you just direct > it towards any samples that you have on your hard drive and you can make > anything be a drum machine. > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 21:33:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0DF9B3BF42; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001601c80084$f3731df0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <017301c7ffb6$79a66ff0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <46FA2388.2050100@tiscali.co.uk> <46FA8530.5000809@hevanet.com> <005901c80061$ee25c6e0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Subject: definitely OT: Re: 99 - OT? (Re: Drum MACHINES) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:33:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JUddUkfxD7dQKzguxl+7ms9oWf3TKPu8Qgv+ fPYHOdJ6PtHySPeQcgAG9ewvmZAYJRJaW2CeB4W2VJJcRS3eU6 iZmPVZ5EiS3Xanv1eMEVo/PZ3WEJC2q Resent-Message-ID: <3W4ayB.A.5UE.lAt-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74916 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:33:26 +0000 (UTC) i hearya, i hearya! 99 is the better number, looks poetic, dynamic and whatnot, i agree totally. but 100 looks pretty good from a japanese standpoint. if you have provided three digit display on your latest developed drum machine, you wouldn't want the only-lame-two-digit 99 but the full-three-digit 100 show on your magically glowing display on start up... totally OT - tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: "Loopers" Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: 99 - OT? (Re: Drum MACHINES) > On 26 sep 2007, at 19.23, Tilmann Dehnhard wrote: > >> i'd say 120 is two per second and therefore easy to correlate to the >> metronome. >> and a default of 100 just looks cool...! > > > I beg to disagree - 100 looks lame. 99 is the way to go! > My vote for ninety nine! ----- just wait, I'll post a poll! > > p ;-) > (don't worry, just joking tonight. 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Check it out! = --_5057df03-32ff-450b-b8f5-3753694a0e4a_-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 22:44:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F9223BF6D; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cvKtjroLXQw7i48ZK06m26VgH5JP2CeAD9OxkqMzQ6fEJKZOC1nvBPbvYbHDaZWPiPhNGJlaq3pRX//z3a5GcDy6/TkU53zVnh+qjZdqoW8SdWKHsPycjSQwycCeQlfTQRG07rhddlRqPTXiZ6RVCZO20GOfNuYmRQakY5lrl3M=; X-YMail-OSG: DuVwr90VM1nSFtvhfyWWV9hGxLoez0W42qJvdn1Sro_xnPMNhKcD3vOdR7g4CddcF4rFNWEv3caEKHoiZiqwlmW2CrVeB1XhJl5RkifakDQMwtUZD0j3.mXeufWsTQ-- Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 15:44:55 -0700 (PDT) From: bill bigrig Subject: Re: Tempo (Re: Drum MACHINES) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <665EA8BE-25A7-44EE-AE65-909E5DAD260C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <92681.35025.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: <2u9x7.A.3VH.pDu-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74917 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Howdy, i do believe that 120 BPM was the average tempo of pop songs in the days that drum machines first appeared Rig --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 26 sep 2007, at 18.13, David Auker wrote: > > > How about tempo? Seems a default tempo on > sequencers/metronomes is > > 100-120 bpm. Does this have some correlation to > the human pulse or > > something? > > > Not mine, that's for sure ;-) I like lower tempi, > as 60-90 bpm, so > that you may also play in "double tempo". This is > the dub and drum-n- > bass idiom. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Wed Sep 26 23:35:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4F6393BF77; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002d01c80095$dbeba600$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:34:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74918 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:35:13 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Wednesday, 26 September, 2007 20:57 PM Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux > On 26 sep 2007, at 21.29, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> thanx man,have u got windows XP installed on it as >> well? do yu think it would work just as good with it >> installed?i am gettin close to buying one and ive >> never owned one but still debating wether i should get >> a mac pro or one of those laps from PC >> audiolabs,although since ive worked with the echoplex >> for so long id like to stay with a software close to >> it like mobius... > > Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for Mobius as well? You > wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft license though. Yes, one buys enough stealth licenses with a Mac to make it difficult to buy more software... Compare the cost of a PC you can build yourself + a copy of XP, and a Mac (which you're not allowed to build yourself) and OSX... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 02:36:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B02D93BF54; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:36:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:36:29 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74919 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:36:46 +0000 (UTC) At 9:07 PM -0400 9/25/07, James Richmond wrote: > >I would really like to hear about your VG99 experiences as well. >I have been planning on getting one and would love to know your >expert opinion. Okay, it looks like there are at least a few people interested in this data, judging from the responses both on- and off-list. Hopefully this isn't quite so OT that it'll get anyone bent out of shape (BTW, there is a Hold Delay in the effects section which can act as a Looper, so the device itself is actually peripherally on topic ;). Here are three reasonably long messages that I sent over to the VG-99 list detailing my experiences with it so far. I'll break them up so that each has it's own post. One quick point: As I said previously, I'm really quite impressed with the box. I'm concentrating on a lot of the quirks, though, so that people will know what they're going to have in store. Sometimes I might sound a bit frustrated, but there are really more positive points than negative. Also, I'd remind anyone replying to the thread to please remove any extraneous text you're not directly quoting, as a favor to those posters on the Digest mode. That said, let me know if there are any specific questions about the VG-99, and I'll try to address them. Here's the first note: >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 22:58:10 -0500 >To: vg-99@yahoogroups.com >From: Mech >Subject: Quick(?!?) First Impressions.... > >Okay, I've finally spent the past day going through and making a >cursory tour of the 200 factory presets. > >My first impression, in short? Huh huh! This is >cool! > >I got home night before last, and called my luthier to see if my Vox >was ready for pickup (I'd dropped it off before leaving town to have >the stock pickups replaced). Unfortunately, he still needs a couple >more days. So, not wanting to wait any longer, I grabbed my Stick >and ran through the presets using the GK on its Melody side. The >worst thing about that is I usually have to tweak my patches to >sound their best when played by the Stick (it can get a bit too >percussive sometimes). That, and I tend to lean toward the clean >patches when using that axe, so it's not as fair to the other patch >types. So, all standard disclaimers apply. > >That said, this thing is freakin' awesome! The clean patches sound >pristine; the distorted patches have got some nice crunch; the synth >patches are good enough to go up against most of the current model >GR patches. At first blush, Roland have really done a good job >addressing the majority of wants and needs for almost anybody >playing strings out there. > >Here are just a few random data points.... > >The overall quality of tone has a very "finished" sound to it. >Right out of the box, you sound like you're copping licks off a CD. >Noise is practically non-existent. I was monitoring through a pair >of AKG K-271 studio-grade cans, so there shouldn't have been any >significant coloration from my listening environment (in other >words, I wasn't running it into a cheap guitar amp). > >Tracking is excellent. I've been playing all the way down to C >below a low guitar E, and have noticed only a bare minimum of >glitching (good news for those baritone players out there, I think). >The algorithms which have exhibited the most trouble (so far) with >this are Crystal and Pipe. Crystal is problematic at the low end, >while Pipe seems to get thrown off by finger noise and scrapes -- >clean playing takes care of almost all difficulties on that >algorithm. When Crystal glitches, it does the thing where it will >play the note fine, then possibly octave jump for a millisecond when >sustained after a while. > >I couldn't get the GR-300 to glitch on the low notes. Good news. >Trust me, I tried; just couldn't get it to go wacky on the lows. > >Speaking of the GR-300... It sounds good, and takes up the slack >behind the physical modelling tones of some of the other algos. >Very synthy, with that classic sound you'd expect. I've never >actually owned a 300, though, so I'll leave it to some of the other >experts here onlist to determine exactly how well it matches up >against the original. Personally, it reminds me quite a bit of the >sounds I've heard on records by Metheny, Summers, or Hackett. In >other places (weirdly enough) it reminds me of some cuts produced by >Boards of Canada. They have a way of capturing that dry, "public >service announcement", synth accent in their tunes, and some of the >synth patches here definitely gave me the same impression. > >One thing worth pointing out about the GR-300 is that it doesn't >have the rumbling, punch in the gut, "oh gods, my bowels are about >to release" low-end that you can find on some classic synths >(vintage moogs, for instance). It sounds more like synths (like old >Roland modulars) sporting lowpass filters with a 12db slope; as >opposed to the classic 24db ladder filters. This is *NOT* a bad >thing, however. The GR-300 has a nice, musical, mid-range tone, and >can even be pleasantly squelchy if you want. Just don't expect to >emulate Taurus Pedals with it. > >Overall, the guitar models sound very good. The Fenders sound like >their respective real-life counterparts. The Gibsons -- >particularly the LP and P-90 -- sound very good. I'm not so certain >about the 335, as I wasn't able to really plunk out any jazz >standards to test. The Sitar and Reso models are really good, >although there are factory patches for those which sound both >fantastic and blase'. Nylon string presets are sort of "eh!" but I >can hear the glimmer of something nice in there. I think I just >need to dig it out with some extra programming and EQ. > >Also, I'm not really liking the P-bass and J-bass models right now. >However, I think the percussive attack on the Stick is bringing out >too much "clank" in those algorithms. I tried strumming a couple of >low notes with my thumb (a rarely-used technique on a tapping >instrument) and it seems as if they would sound much better if >proper playing technique were used. > >Oh, and the Ribbon Controller rocks! I didn't think I was going to >get into it that much, but it actually turns out to be an excellent >realtime control tool. Also, the filter really shines when used >with it; it's very musical. I actually want to see if I can work >out the routing for some parked filter patches. The filter gets >boxy while keeping the tone interesting -- much more like listening >to a transistor radio than a speaker with a blanket thrown over it. >And when used with the Ribbon Controller, it sounds nearly as much >like a cool phase shift as it does a filter effect. > >The D-Beam is a bit touchy, but I expected that. It probably >qualifies as an instrument in and of itself, so you're going to have >to work with it to get the results you want. Freeze is a great tool >too, but the same caveat goes for that. The biggest issue with >Freeze is that you've got to catch the frozen note at the level you >want, then adjust the volume of the sound you're playing over top of >it. It's real easy to get the two out of balance. But when you get >it right, things sound great. > >Pitch shifting is great. It's natural sounding, and can produce >some great results. The only concern I have is that I'm not really >that crazy about using the 12-string shift on the Steel acoustic >model. Something about that one in particular is sounding >artificial and rather harsh to me. I don't get that feeling on any >of the electric models, however, so perhaps I just need to work with >some of the settings. > >The Harmonist is actually much more inspiring than I thought it >would be. There are one or two patches that use it, and it's >actually very easy to compose some interesting lines on the fly. >Also, if you're into Southern Boogie, there are a couple of Shift >patches you're going to love. They've outright nailed some of the >two-guitar harmony leads made (in)famous by bands like the Allman >Brothers. > >As I've alluded in a different post, the control possibilities are >fantastic. I haven't gotten the FC-300 hooked up yet, but that >should provide a huge number of extra permutations. (Aside: Hey >Vance! It looks as if your solution of switching Modes to control >both the VG and other MIDI devices will work.) Just using the >Control buttons can add a great deal of creative options. The Wave >Pedal alone can provide countless ways of manipulating the >parameters in realtime. > >Haven't gotten a chance to hook it up to the laptop with an >instrument connected yet. That's the next item I've got on the >agenda. One concern I do have is the possible latency when using >the VG as audio interface. Using Ableton Live as a host, I've only >been able to get the latency settings down to 8ms input and 3ms >output, for a combined latency of ~11ms. Even at those settings, I >haven't yet been able to determine if such low buffer settings will >cause glitching. We'll see, perhaps tomorrow... > >Um, okay, that's an awful lot off the top of my head, especially for >having only played through the presets. Any thoughts...? > > --m. -- _____ "the wind in my heart; the dust in my head...." From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 02:37:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 85CEC3BF70; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:37:39 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: <0H9DaC.A.z8B.Cex-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74920 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:37:54 +0000 (UTC) Second forwarded message on the topic of the VG-99. This one deals primarily with integrating the 99 into a laptop setup.... --m. >Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:53:46 -0700 >From: Mech >To: vg-99@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Computer Experiments, Part 1... > >Sorry for the longish silence, but I got hit up with email troubles, >as well as >being run over by RL in general. And, of course, I've been trying to spend as >much free time as possible actually playing with the VG-99, as opposed to >writing about it. But, I happen to be on another overseas flight, so this >looks like as good a time as any to update what I've found so far. > >Warning: Geekfest ahead!!! ;) > >First, I did actually get my Vox back in the interim. So, while >testing things >out the VG-99 with a fretless 11-string is not exactly going to translate well >to the future experience of others, it is a little more applicable than using >my Chapman Stick (not to mention a bit more stable, FWIW). > >In general, I remain impressed with the sound quality of the 99. I >continue to >be a big booster, finding new ways of generating original sounds almost daily. >However, it's not without some pitfalls, and I'm going to hit upon a few >warning notes with this email. So, while the post overall is going >to be a bit >of a downer, I need to reiterate that the VG-99 is still a very cool box, >IMNSHO. This will merely serve to list some aggravations, hopefully so that >others will not go in without being forewarned. > >To begin, as the Subject line suggests, I've spent the past couple weeks >wringing out the bugs from integrating this new piece of gear into a >laptop-based setup. We'll go through a couple of minor >aggravations, then I'll >spend the rest of this note addressing the biggest issue. > >First, if you haven't already discovered this yourself, READ THE INSTRUCTIONS >BEFORE INSTALLING THE DRIVERS. Yeah, I'm on a MacBook, so I've been >spoiled by >simply letting Core Audio take care of all that stuff in the background. The >MIDI configuration is a bit more complicated than the usual plug-&-play we're >used to, though. So, read the instructions top-to-bottom, then follow them >carefully one step at a time. If, like me, you're one of those >impatient types >who normally just throws in the disk, boots the program, and runs... well, >you're probably looking at trouble with your usual approach. > >That said, the MIDI actually works much better than I anticipated. On Stick, >it's a mess, so I haven't yet tried to debug that (not even really interested >in using MIDI with the Stick, though, except as an academic excercise). >However, with the Vox, it tracks!!! > >Now, in case you're not quite getting this, I'm using a *fretless* >guitar, with >*doubled courses* detuned from each other for a chorusing effect. This thing >should glitch from here to Sunday, and I wouldn't find fault with Roland if it >did. However, the tracking is actually pretty darn good. And I am NOT using >chromatic mode, which would normally just round the pitch to the next whole >step. What I am really impressed with is that it tracks the pitchbends very, >very well. In fact, when using AAS' String Studio, I can even play >microtonally, as the VG is able to track the note AND the pitchbend offset on >the initial pick of the string. Sweet!!! > >Next aggravation... > >This is a minor gotcha, but it will be familiar to those of you who >have worked >a fair amount with USB interfaces in the past -- especially on laptops. If >you're going to be using the USB for audio, look at your system configuration >before plugging the VG into a USB port. More than likely, your trackpad or >mouse will already be assigned to one of those serial busses. Now, >there are a >few masochists out there who actually enjoy spending hours on pointless >troubleshooting. If you are one of these people, then feel free to >plug the VG >into the same bus as your trackpad. > >Myself, I discovered this by accident, since I've spent the past few years >working with Firewire rather than USB. I spent a damn long time trying to >chase down these phantom pops, which I was erroneously attributing >to cache and >latency settings. Finally, I realized that the darn thing was only >popping and >crackling whenever I touched the cursor onscreen. Checked the settings and, >yep, I'd plugged into the same bus as the trackpad, so my finger >movements were >feeding garbage into the audio outs on the VG. I switched ports, and problem >solved. > >Finally, the biggie. Go get a cuppa joe before tackling this one, as it will >take a while to outline fully.... > >Originally, I had conceived of the VG-99 as a central "hub" in such a setup, >taking the place of a conventional external soundcard entirely. The >simplistic >elegance appealed to me; showing up to a gig with only an axe, laptop, VG, and >FC-300. Power and a mains run to the PA run notwithstanding, such a setup >would only require 3 cables in a perfect world: 13-pin to connect >the guitar to >the VG, USB to loop audio/MIDI in & out of the laptop, and finally an RRC2 for >the FC-300. > >Such a simple setup is not to be, though, due to a seemingly minor >-- but fatal >-- engineering decision (read: inadvertent blunder, IMNSHO) on Roland's part. >You see, when changing patches, the VG-99 temporarily mutes its output, most >likely to avoid any glitches or pops that might occur when changing patches. >Unfortunately, instead of merely muting the VG's synthesis engine, >it mutes the >mains entirely for a half-second. That also causes any extraneous audio being >processed through the laptop's USB connection to also be muted. > >So, if you are using your computer for backing tracks (drums, for >example), Live >Looping, or even outboard effects (delay and reverb effects in >particular), you >are going to have to deal with *everything* going silent for a half-second >whenever you switch from one guitar patch to the next; longer if you need to >scroll though patches with the jog-wheel. Agh!!! > >After discovering this sad fact, I've spent the past couple of weeks >working out >a solution, but it does ruin the "simple elegance" of the 3-cable system I >mentioned above. The answer, as you might have guessed, is another external >soundcard for the laptop. What I did was to try finding the cheapest and >smallest decent-quality S/PDIF-capable interface available. In my case, I >settled on the Echo Audiofire2, which is basically a 2-in/2-out firewire >interface with S/PDIF and separate headphone outs. I take the >S/PDIF outs from >the VG into the computer, then use the balanced outs from the Audiofire into >the mains. > >Why S/PDIF? Well, I was also having a few latency issues with using the USB >feed. We've never been able to officially determine if the USB >ports on the VG >were v.1.1 or v.2.x compliant (aside: I'm currently leaning toward >version 1.1, >FWIW). In Ableton Live on a 2Ghz Core2Duo MacBook, my best latency settings >were ~10ms input and ~8ms output, resulting in a roundtrip latency >of around 18 >milliseconds. On paper, at least, this is not good. > >Now, Live has latency compensation built into it, so it didn't >really feel like >a full 18ms (which is actually a really horrible latency number by today's >standards). Now, I don't know about the setup for other DAWs -- they may not >necessarily be able to compensate for it. And the VG just didn't feel as >snappy and responsive as it should. I don't use the Direct Monitor function, >FWIW, because I do Looping inside the computer and I need to hear the same >timing that the computer hears. As a result, it's much easier to be affected >by lousy latency numbers. > >So, by using S/PDIF, I was able to get around the USB performance >issue. Using >the digital interface on the Audiofire, I was able to whack off >around 5ms from >that original number. And using Live's compensation brings the "feel" back >into line with what it should be. The only trade off is in the >clocking. If I >use the VG's clock from the S/PDIF, everything seemingly works great. The >exception is that if the S/PDIF cable ever gets pulled, the laptop audio locks >up entirely. That's not likely to happen, but it's one more dragon >which could >raise its ugly head and utterly fry you in an onstage situation. > >Alternatively, I could clock from the computer (essentially both VG and laptop >are unsynced with each other; the VG has no digital *input*, so it can't sync >to an outside source). If doing that, I end up with occasional soft ticks in >the output -- about one every 5-10 seconds. This is expected, since the >waveform and sampling rate are not synced and this will cause a digital glitch >(tick) every few seconds. However, the tick is really more noticeable with >careful listening, so it's possible that the best solution might be to break >the digital sync while playing live (where you may not even notice it) but >enable the sync in the studio, where you don't wind up with an eternity of >public humiliation if you accidentally kick the cable out of the back of the >VG-99. > >Oh, final digital note: the VG's engine is 24-bit, 44.1khz sampling >rate. That >won't change; no-how, no-way. It's a bit of a minor aggravation, since I >actually prefer operating my DAW at 48k -- too many years working with DAT, so >its just a personal preference -- or even 88.2khz, if my CPU can take it. >Unfortunately, I've got to reconfigure my setup to accommodate the VG-99's >digital quirks again. > >I've got a few non-computer-related VG-99 findings/warnings too. >However, since >I've probably put at least half the list members to sleep with digital and >laptop geeking, I'll list those in a separate post. > > --m. > > >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 02:39:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F6BD3BF73; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:38:45 -0500 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Mech Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74921 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:39:00 +0000 (UTC) This is the last forwarded message of data I've posted on the VG-99. This one details a few more annoyances I'd encountered... (once again, to those list members who deem this data as OT, i would to thank you for your patience. and i hope your index fingers aren't getting too sore from using the 'delete' key. :) --m. >Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2007 00:40:52 -0700 >From: Mech >To: vg-99@yahoogroups.com >Subject: A Few More Minor Quirks.... > >A few more non-laptop-related things here that aren't quite on target with the >VG-99. > >1.) Effecting your Normal Guitar output. > >It does not appear that you can use the Guitar Output jack in conjunction with >the Guitar Input. I wanted to have a simple effects loop to add a couple of >stompboxes onto the Normal Guitar pickup, just as I do with the VG-8EX, and as >I believe you can also do with the VG-88. > >Nope. On the VG-99, that actually results in a horrible feedback >loop. If you >plug in a passive pedal with no gain amplification, then you get absolutely no >audio. Be prepared, however, if you try it with a more active pedal that can >do gain amplification or impedance matching (I tested with a Sansamp >Paradriver >and a Yamaha Magicstomp), since it's going to give you howling, beeping >feedback. > >If you want to effect the guitar's normal pickups with anything besides the VG >or laptop effects, you'll need to run a 1/4" guitar cable out of your axe, >through your pedalboard, and into the Guitar Input jack. This is in addition >to your normal 13-pin cable. Yes, that's a pain. [Addendum: I later found out that this is also how the VG-88 is set up. With the VG-8 (the other unit I own) there's no problem with using the Normal Guitar Pickup outputs and the Aux Inputs as an external effects loop. This is a know issue for VG-88 owners. --m.] > >2.) Cannot really control the morph rate on Humanizer. > >Rather than the obnoxious (IMNSHO) "talking guitar" effects, I'd wanted to use >the Humanizer's formant filters on some ambient pad beds from the synth. I've >discovered on other devices that setting a slow fade between vowels usually >works -- and sounds -- very nice for these sorts of sounds. > >There's a design error on the Humanizer that prevents you from doing this, >however. You see the "rate" control isn't actually controlling the rate that >one vowel morphs into another. Instead, it only seems to control the delay >before the vowel changes from one to another -- the actual rate of >change seems >to remain the same. > >So, let's you wanted an "O" filter to change to an "A" over the span of two >measures. In an ideal situation, the sound would morph slowly between vowels >over the course of 8 beats. With the current implementation, though, the >filter sticks fully on "O" for 7 beats, then suddenly jumps to "A" on the 8th >beat. :P > >I'm currently experimenting with workarounds. I'll let you know if I can get >around this properly. > >3.) String panning is NOT retained through COSM Amp models. (Vance, you're >gonna hate this one.) > >Since this has come up in the past on the list, I did a thorough test when it >occurred to me that this was happening. > >I took one of the generic COSM Guitar models on instrument Line A (I >turned Line >B off entirely). I panned strings 1, 3, & 5 hard left, while >panning 2, 4, & 6 >hard right. Then I removed all other effects and devices from the chain so >that we're only testing COSM Guitar through COSM Amp. > >Unfortunately, every single Pre-amp model in the VG-99 failed to preserve the >string panning that I'd set up. The stereo image collapsed into mono every >time I switched on the COSM Amp. > >Also, you need to be careful with which effects you're using here as well. >After I determined that the COSM Amp exhibited this problem, I turned it off >and tested the Effect Chain. About 1/3 to 1/2 of the effects there >also failed >to retain the string panning, collapsing the image into mono again. The good >news here, though, is that the effects that squash to mono are pretty much the >standard stompbox effects that you would expect to do this -- compressor, wah, >etc. About half the effects -- including things like delay, reverb and EQ -- >preserve the string panning just fine. Effects like the 2x2 Chorus, which are >supposed to generate their own stereo image, appear to squash to mono but then >output stereo. But that's the point of those effects, IMHO. > >I don't think that the effects doing this are necessarily going to >give anybody >major heartburn, but the Amp models are a problem here. The obvious >workaround >is to use both Lines A & B, with one panned right and the other panned left. >However, this eats up a whole guitar line just to retain stereo through the >Amps, and you can thus forget about any creative layering. > >A bit disappointment there, considering the this question had been asked of >Roland point-blank, and answered in the affirmative. Unfortunately, the rep >who had tackled this question was either mistaken or misleading. :( > >More as I find 'em.... > > --m. > >-- >_____ >"I want to keep you alive so there is always the possibility of >murder... later" > >---------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 02:52:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1452A3BF5D; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:52:20 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070925172450.1BVUA.113534.root@fepweb03> <50382808-B454-474D-9222-18D8ADB41EC9@jamesrichmond.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--46544475 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: OT RE: FC300 and VG-99 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:52:16 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74922 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 02:52:20 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-2--46544475 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Mech, That is great... So far none of your concerns are deal breakers for me. I am particularly interested in the synthesis side of things- particularly the programming. How many osc types are there? How much modulation can be done? Same for filters, lfo's and envelopes. Any arpeggiation? Probably because I have the attention span of a dyslexic two year old with ADD, I am not worried about integration with analog guitar and the synth side of things- it is a very binary argument for me- I'll either play synth or guitar but never the two together- I do wonder how deep the synth programming goes though. Or would you say I am better of sticking to the GI10 and my wall of hardware synths? I'm particularly interested in any supersaw oscillators, so I dont have to keep dragging a JP8000 to gigs just to be able to use its ribbon controller. Jim On Sep 26, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Mech wrote: > That said, let me know if there are any specific questions about > the VG-99, and I'll try to address them. --Apple-Mail-2--46544475 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mech,=A0

    That is = great...

    So = far none of your concerns are deal breakers for me.
    I am = particularly interested in the synthesis side of things- particularly = the programming.

    How many osc types are = there?
    How much modulation can be done?
    Same for = filters, lfo's and envelopes.

    Any = arpeggiation?

    Probably because I have the = attention span of a dyslexic two year old with ADD, I am not worried = about integration with analog guitar and the synth side of things- it is = a very binary argument for me- I'll either play synth or guitar but = never the two together- I do wonder how deep the synth programming goes = though.
    Or would you say I am better of sticking to the GI10 = and my wall of hardware synths?

    I'm particularly interested = in any supersaw oscillators, so I dont have to keep dragging a JP8000 to = gigs just to be able to use its=A0ribbon controller.

    Jim

    O= n Sep 26, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Mech wrote:

    That said, let me know if = there are any specific questions about the VG-99, and I'll try to = address them.


    = --Apple-Mail-2--46544475-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 06:35:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E11453BF51; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20070926233407.02597fa8@mail.onemodelplace.com> X-Sender: CaraQuinn@mail.onemodelplace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:36:31 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Cara Quinn Subject: Re: ATTENTION: Cara Quinn, Greg Williams and LOOP STATION! contact me ASAP about Y2K7 In-Reply-To: <011901c80039$393c05f0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-734228E Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74923 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:35:18 +0000 (UTC) Rick, I got all four emails just now; (have been tres busy!) However, feel free to use: -(and this applies to anyone else as well, who would like to contact me and may not be able to) Cara-Quinn@earthlink.net as well as the addie you already have... -Will be in touch with you off list very soon!... Smiles, CQ :) At 05:31 AM 9/26/2007 -0700, you wrote: >Dear Cara, Greg, Robin and Sam, > >The email addresses I have for you are being returned as undeliverable > >Cara............the one I have is caraquinn@onemodelplace.com > >Robin and Sam, the one I have is booking@loopthis.com > >Greg, I have lost your email address in my computer meltdown last week and > can't seem to find you on the web or at Loopers Delight. > > >I have time sensitive material to send to all of you about the Y2K7 Loop >Festival performances >you are scheduled to make. > >Please contact me ASAP with alternative email addresses and I'll send the >three numbered and important emails I sent out to the other performers. > >Thanks a lot, > >yours, Rick > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM --- View my on-line portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn "The only things I really think are important, are love, and each other. -Then, anything is possible..." http://home.earthlink.net/~cara-quinn -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.13.30/1030 - Release Date: 9/25/2007 8:02 AM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 07:13:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DC3443BF58; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:13:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <008601c800d5$f653cbe0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" Subject: CRAIG WILLIAMS? Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:13:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74924 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:13:56 +0000 (UTC) I found Greg William's email address finally and I have a marking on the list for Craig Williams. Is there such a person at Loopers Delight? I can't find him if so in the loopers list or on Google. Also, fighting the computer problems I've had recently (losing 6 months worth of email addresses so ALL of the people who applied to the festival thanks to some intermittent RAM), I'm not sure if I got bleary eyed and wrote the name down wrong. If there is a Greg Williams and you want to play the festival.................you, or someone who knows you needs to contact me immediately. Sorry for all the gaffs but it's been a bear trying to reconstruct this damned thing after this crash. I'm almost back to normal again, thank dear god! yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 07:20:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DF5793BF65; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=l1vYizx2u7kpu6cmrfeBA0wnNgzd01Iw90TcAHHdu2s=; b=iHuykECMAh0tjRs7n/8FU3EC3TfPA+t2Z465EIy7qo692WfiRSe35g7cqeIp+BQEdaAP6h45lcpod1g4Oeiuy1OCXrL6ze7waX+j+RvQA+vREkA05nqbnsYHciD50YMsC4sAsGWXlH/8vPPOmG7WZ6Ixaim2HgP++LV8UTIgIWc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=fK5WckITMyE4UXSn09d6ne642oq+AxloVMzNx/vT7Bx/HgFHQv1iJMpQdDkQFzLSrc6EuAUGQ7P0wH3sdv5dEWPA4wgRMywOzZVW71LZ9UHTO1hk6/vzj5rlZAs1sNK0CWglxHk22cab326pdO11WLOD7fPpO5M/Y4f7msog+3M= In-Reply-To: <002d01c80095$dbeba600$0201a8c0@eluk1> References: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c80095$dbeba600$0201a8c0@eluk1> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5CDBAC3A-53F7-4FC1-AACC-B42C0E49AF0E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:20:34 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74925 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:20:41 +0000 (UTC) >> On 26 sep 2007, at 21.29, L.A. Angulo wrote: >> >>> thanx man,have u got windows XP installed on it as >>> well? do yu think it would work just as good with it >>> installed?i am gettin close to buying one and ive >>> never owned one but still debating wether i should get >>> a mac pro or one of those laps from PC >>> audiolabs,although since ive worked with the echoplex >>> for so long id like to stay with a software close to >>> it like mobius... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >> Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for Mobius as >> well? You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft >> license though. On 27 sep 2007, at 01.34, Stephen Goodman wrote: > Yes, one buys enough stealth licenses with a Mac to make it > difficult to buy more software... Compare the cost of a PC you can > build yourself + a copy of XP, and a Mac (which you're not allowed > to build yourself) and OSX... I used to build my own stationary PC's back in the days when it was a lot cheaper, as you say. Today many vendors sell PC's at the same cost level so it doesn't make any economical sense to build your own. But regarding functionality of a music PC, it might still make sense to build your own, in order to pick the components that work well as a stable system. BTW, OSX is no additional cost as it comes for free with the computer. I'd rather eat less than make music with crappy tools "to save money" ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 07:59:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 70B213BF73; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:59:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <003601c800dc$3fb08fc0$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <580773.6975.qm@web38606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <002d01c80095$dbeba600$0201a8c0@eluk1> <5CDBAC3A-53F7-4FC1-AACC-B42C0E49AF0E@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:58:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74926 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 07:59:06 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2007 08:20 AM Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux >>> On 26 sep 2007, at 21.29, L.A. Angulo wrote: >>> >>>> thanx man,have u got windows XP installed on it as >>>> well? do yu think it would work just as good with it >>>> installed?i am gettin close to buying one and ive >>>> never owned one but still debating wether i should get >>>> a mac pro or one of those laps from PC >>>> audiolabs,although since ive worked with the echoplex >>>> for so long id like to stay with a software close to >>>> it like mobius... > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" >>> Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for Mobius as >>> well? You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft >>> license though. > > On 27 sep 2007, at 01.34, Stephen Goodman wrote: >> Yes, one buys enough stealth licenses with a Mac to make it >> difficult to buy more software... Compare the cost of a PC you can >> build yourself + a copy of XP, and a Mac (which you're not allowed >> to build yourself) and OSX... > > > I used to build my own stationary PC's back in the days when it was a > lot cheaper, as you say. Today many vendors sell PC's at the same > cost level so it doesn't make any economical sense to build your own. > But regarding functionality of a music PC, it might still make sense > to build your own, in order to pick the components that work well as > a stable system. > > BTW, OSX is no additional cost as it comes for free with the computer. > > I'd rather eat less than make music with crappy tools "to save > money" ;-) > Mac Slight(tm) acknowledged. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 08:02:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CE4303BF7B; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=QpHE4BFOEOSuHSrsCnaSLi+0jvTIK9ucSa71hW8S3L+JfVfT66WYxasVHKiztIMYOjYZqTdEs9CvPxB95ogB972i4FjOOl3ay3b9xo5jEFRpPfzwoe6bQQ8rUXAVPMeMdowi/OO8WxwNFvnDeZ4XIMLdg1CWdwaH6xwMA2RRlNk=; X-YMail-OSG: qcDCMkEVM1kJbZs0RWirUjswXK6EP72KBtwd6T9_eCzTLyMRwWcMI4mV0qbBBGI3wQENZO0kn3owJ6v8TP.9cYUa2ibQR2t.SkHZ_TO4DkZQqV0bPJ4KDvmfdjqNEw-- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:02:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <598510.9776.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74927 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Hy Per, Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main concern is performance issues having both O.S and the cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac software which i dont have since ive never owned one.i also dont have much experience with macs but i could of course just start off by doing all the internet stuff on the macside and recording on XP. Luis > Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for > Mobius as well? > You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft > license though. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 08:24:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 824A63BF5A; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:24:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=by+/gP4qPwuqarmpbm1iVMmAsXSc5j6wI7KBJddly5g=; b=TtPN5KvhbT5e1cfab+kII770z9D5DbL9QoybHjGjqnQsp9mnKYkOFLZYsqNyrst1ZJANjWQOayaztZnX7KCzwvXBP+9WjjlfFGaisuMwIRkGY3SSk8TDwPFI5F0G+XTxCi1pvbxMLn464vbJFBC29ywWd3eRlDZjtBG0m3U0uBo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=JGim2B8Ackf+G9GsL69pfEWv76uIinlG5qtPSfTtZe5mphd3/IeE1UDfb1w/nOOkL89iUdEvTtdOG5+zcCDFNERSbIfPj7FYY0CVMuStX3Au0abfHVgrR2v11ll4S3Es6pEJp97i9SL4q9hoMJRdzmLTLkcvdsRPAfRT8qotQ0Q= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <598510.9776.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <598510.9776.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FD099F8-CCDA-4484-A6B3-47D0192E612D@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:24:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <9p_UhC.A.gqD.Rj2-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74928 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:24:50 +0000 (UTC) On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hy Per, > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > software which i dont have since ive never owned one. What "x-tra mac software"? What are you planning to do with it that is not supported by Apple's bundled software? > i also dont have much experience with macs but i could > of course just start off by doing all the internet > stuff on the macside and recording on XP. > Luis I think that's a good point. Internet and email on Mac is simple because you don't have to buy into extra virus protection software (that would clog up your Windows anyway, if you should do the internet business on the Windows side). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 09:22:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 644413BF4E; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001901c800e7$d4e65790$0201a8c0@eluk1> From: "Stephen Goodman" To: References: <598510.9776.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4FD099F8-CCDA-4484-A6B3-47D0192E612D@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:21:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74929 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:22:01 +0000 (UTC) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Per Boysen" To: Sent: Thursday, 27 September, 2007 09:24 AM Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux > On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > >> Hy Per, >> Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about >> doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main >> concern is performance issues having both O.S and the >> cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac >> software which i dont have since ive never owned one. > > What "x-tra mac software"? > What are you planning to do with it that is not supported by Apple's > bundled software? > > >> i also dont have much experience with macs but i could >> of course just start off by doing all the internet >> stuff on the macside and recording on XP. >> Luis > > I think that's a good point. Internet and email on Mac is simple because > you don't have to buy into extra virus protection software (that would > clog up your Windows anyway, if you should do the internet business on > the Windows side). So they've finally gotten around to natively supporting TCP/IP on the Mac? ;) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 10:22:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B6B7C3BF33; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:18:01 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Listen to Afterglow and Galactic Travels To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46FB8359.5010404@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74930 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:22:08 +0000 (UTC) AFTERGLOW ON WMUH: http://soundscapes.us/afterglow ======================================================================= Afterglow airs from 8:00 am to 9:30 am every Thursday morning. Tune in for a delightful mix of eclectic musical genres including a healthy dose of Progressive Rock. Tune in at 91.7 FM or on the internet at: http://muhlenberg.edu/wmuh GALACTIC TRAVELS ON WDIY: http://galactictravels.info ======================================================================= Tonight at 11 pm on Galactic Travels, I'll conlude the month-long Special ocus on Dutch group Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gent." For details, see the Special Focus page at: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, on the internet, and in High Definition Radio at 88.1 FM. ====================================================================== All times are EDT / GMT-4. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click the REAL AUDIO link or go directly to: rtsp://helix.muhlenberg.edu:554/broadcast/live.rm From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:04:16 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0F88C3BF51; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <598510.9776.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4FD099F8-CCDA-4484-A6B3-47D0192E612D@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4FD099F8-CCDA-4484-A6B3-47D0192E612D@gmail.com> Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:05:01 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01c80107$03d579e0$0b806da0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgA4TSWwbjtjq7iS2m1PPBxgiCeuwAJX5NA Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dac5f0c2900003232.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: <3cpSAB.A.xxB.Pp6-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74931 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Jumping in here.. having to re-purchase Photoshop suite would have been very expensive if I switched to Mac. This influenced my decision to stay with the PC for now. -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:25 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > Hy Per, > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > software which i dont have since ive never owned one. What "x-tra mac software"? What are you planning to do with it that is not supported by Apple's bundled software? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:23:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C56623BF54; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: The woodshed Subject: Acoustic Piano Looping Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:23:30 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74932 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:23:47 +0000 (UTC) Hi There Can anyone give some tips on looping an acoustic piano, both grand and upright? I have been trying with out much success. I am currently using some contact mic's which go into preamps then into the normal stuff, laptop or delay / loop pedals. I am having problems with feedback, the soundboard often picks up the Pa leading to feedback, and the general sound quality is not great. The live vocal looping thread recently had some helpful suggestions which I will try out on the next set. Does anyone here loop real pianos, and give any advice on equipment setup? thanks leon From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 13:56:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 73BD43BF29; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Scott Stroud Subject: looping different instruments and voice Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:49:50 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74933 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Hello Due to budget issues, I've been stuck with looping guitar or banjo licks on my Akai HeadRush , then pulling out the in- jack (luckily with no apparent noise) and putting in my mic jack , to sing different layers on top of the existing loop. I'm now ready to get a bit more complex, and am considering the Boss RC-20, the Digitech Jamman, or the new Boss RC-50. These all have different inputs I believe, can they be used together? I wouldn't need to loop more than one input at a time, but how do you switch without using your hands? Like say I put down a guitar loop, want to add some weird keyboard sounds, and then sing over it all, and put on my own harmonies. Can one pedal do this? And can the RC-50 loop itself, like the second track looping a part of the first, etc? Cheers for any info scott From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 14:01:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 64EAD3BF54; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5--6410847 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:01:10 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74934 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:01:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-5--6410847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi, I'm not much of a piano player but I do a bit of piano looping. I have a pair of uprights that I use. One is a regularly tuned piano, the other is a 'prepared piano' that I've tuned microtonally (which pissed my wife of initially, she's a traditionalist). I use LDC's on both of them into some api pre's that I have and then line level into my console. I have an Echo Pro set up on an aux that I send the signal to pre fader (with the channel fader zeroed) and the aux is then routed back to a channel and sent to protools. I also use a couple of other looping devices (MPXG2, Vortex, DL4). Everything is on old fashioned TT type patchbays so I can route anything to anything- there are a bunch of harmonisers that I use a lot on piano- they don't cope with the playing chords on the piano terribly well, which is a sound I love, so I'll set the harmoniser to 100% wet and do things like chain two in series, pitch one up and octave, and another down an octave- so it comes back to concert pitch but fails to track properly. I call it 'drunken piano'. Another loop environment I have is taking boundary mics of the pianos, feeding the room sound into my outboard reverb units set to be extremely wet, modulated and with long delays times (5s and above). Depending on the mic choice you get very dark or very bright modulating reverb washes. I don't make them much of a feature in my tracks- they get used for background noises in tracks and especially for links between sections when I can't find something more compositionally relevant. You can hear some of the ambience looping in the background of this short guitar loop: http://www.lotusthrone.com/Scape1.mp3 I'm a throat singer and will position myself over the piano strings and throat sing against the strings and capture that http://www.jamesrichmond.com/throat_80bpm.mp3 has the throat singing against string looping and the background noises are loops of microtonal piano patterns fed into protools and modified with some soundtoys plugins. I'll see if I can find some that sounds more like piano- I tend to modify and filter the audio a lot. It isn't high tech by any means- but works for me. The pianos are in different rooms- I have long cable runs and control the hardware remotely using Apple's remote desktop. There is a Logic environment that I use to send program changes to the echo pro to control it. Any desk changes require sneaker-net (yes, walking back to the control room). Not ideal but I don't have the room to have both pianos in my live room. Sometimes I'll just play direct to dat or some other 2 track recorder (ipod) and then use the audio as 'tape loops' that get fed into different pieces of hardware or software. The main thing is flexibility. Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:23 AM, The woodshed wrote: > > Hi There > > Can anyone give some tips on looping an acoustic piano, both grand > and upright? I have been trying with out much success. I am > currently using some contact mic's which go into preamps then into > the normal stuff, laptop or delay / loop pedals. I am having > problems with feedback, the soundboard often picks up the Pa > leading to feedback, and the general sound quality is not great. > The live vocal looping thread recently had some helpful suggestions > which I will try out on the next set. > > Does anyone here loop real pianos, and give any advice on equipment > setup? > > thanks > > leon --Apple-Mail-5--6410847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi,=A0

    I'm not much of a piano = player but I do a bit of piano looping.
    I have a pair of = uprights that I use.
    One is a regularly tuned piano, the other = is a 'prepared piano' that I've tuned microtonally (which pissed my wife = of initially, she's a traditionalist).

    I use LDC's on both of them = into some api pre's that I have and then line level into my = console.

    I = have an Echo Pro set up on an aux that I send the signal to pre fader = (with the channel fader zeroed) and the aux is then routed back to a = channel and sent to protools. I also use a couple of other looping = devices (MPXG2, Vortex, DL4).

    Everything is on old = fashioned TT type patchbays so I can route anything to anything- there = are a bunch of harmonisers that I use a lot on piano- they don't cope = with the playing chords on the piano terribly well, which is a sound I = love, so I'll set the harmoniser to 100% wet and do things like chain = two in series, pitch one up and octave, and another down an octave- so = it comes back to concert pitch but fails to track properly. I call it = 'drunken piano'.

    Another loop environment I = have is taking boundary mics of the pianos, feeding the room sound into = my outboard reverb units set to be=A0extremely wet, modulated and with = long delays times (5s and above). Depending on the mic choice you get = very dark or very bright modulating reverb washes. I don't make them = much of a feature in my tracks- they get used for=A0 background noises = in tracks and especially for links between sections when I can't find = something more compositionally relevant.

    You can hear some of the = ambience looping in the background of this short guitar = loop:


    I'm a throat singer and = will position myself over the piano strings and throat sing against the = strings and capture that

    http://www.jamesric= hmond.com/throat_80bpm.mp3 has the throat singing against string = looping and the background noises are loops of microtonal piano patterns = fed into protools and modified with some soundtoys = plugins.

    I'll = see if I can find some that sounds more like piano- I tend to modify and = filter the audio a lot.

    It isn't high tech by any = means- but works for me.
    The pianos are in different rooms- I = have long cable runs and control the hardware remotely using Apple's = remote desktop. There is a Logic environment that I use to send program = changes to the echo pro to control it.
    Any desk changes = require sneaker-net (yes, walking back to the control = room).
    Not ideal but I don't have the room to have both pianos = in my live room.

    Sometimes I'll just play = direct to dat or some other 2 track recorder (ipod) and then use the = audio as 'tape loops' that get fed into different pieces of hardware or = software. The main thing is flexibility.

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:23 AM, The = woodshed wrote:


    Hi = There


    Can anyone give some tips on looping an acoustic = piano, both grand and upright? I have been trying with out much success. = I am currently using some contact mic's which go into preamps then into = the normal stuff, laptop or delay / loop pedals.=A0 I am having problems with = feedback, the soundboard often picks up the Pa leading to feedback, and = the general sound quality is not great. The live vocal looping thread = recently had some helpful suggestions which I will try out on the next = set.


    Does anyone here loop real pianos, and give any advice = on equipment setup?


    thanks


    leon


    = --Apple-Mail-5--6410847-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 14:29:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 523203BEC2; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:29:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:29:16 +0000 Message-Id: <092720071429.28453.46FBBE3C0000CF0800006F252215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28453_1190903356_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74935 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:29:19 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28453_1190903356_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I probably won't use windows. There is so much there now, I really see no need. I'm guessing also that we are about to see some really great software in the next 3 or 4 months. Virtual Repeater seems promising. Also I'm hoping Live 7 will solve some problems. MFC -------------- Original message -------------- From: "L.A. Angulo" > Hy Per, > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > software which i dont have since ive never owned one.i > also dont have much experience with macs but i could > of course just start off by doing all the internet > stuff on the macside and recording on XP. > Luis > > > > > > > Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for > > Mobius as well? > > You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft > > license though. > > > > Greetings from Sweden > > > > Per Boysen > > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > ____ > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on > Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28453_1190903356_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    I probably won't use windows. There is so much there now, I really see no need. I'm guessing also that we are about to see some really great software in the next 3  or 4 months. Virtual Repeater seems promising. Also I'm hoping Live 7 will solve some problems.
     
    MFC
     
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: "L.A. Angulo" <labaloops@yahoo.com>

    > Hy Per,
    > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about
    > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main
    > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the
    > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac
    > software which i dont have since ive never owned one.i
    > also dont have much experience with macs but i could
    > of course just start off by doing all the internet
    > stuff on the macside and recording on XP.
    > Luis
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Why not picking up a mac + Windows XP and use it for
    > > Mobius as well?
    > > You wiould have to shell out extra for the Microsoft
    > > license though.
    > >
    > > Greetings from Sweden
    > >
    > > Per Boysen
    > > www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    > > www.looproom.com (international)
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    >
    >
    > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
    >
    >
    >
    > ________________________________________________________________________________
    > ____
    > Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on
    > Yahoo! TV.
    > http://tv.yahoo.com/
    >
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_28453_1190903356_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 14:31:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CA3973BF54; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:31:08 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: RE: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:31:07 +0000 Message-Id: <092720071431.8386.46FBBEAB0003419F000020C22215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8386_1190903467_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74936 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:31:08 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8386_1190903467_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You purchased Photoshop? Who does that? I've gotten the last 3 releases on Limewire. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Qua Veda" > Jumping in here.. having to re-purchase Photoshop suite would have been very > expensive if I switched to Mac. This influenced my decision to stay with the > PC for now. > -Qua > > -----Original Message----- > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:25 AM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux > > On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hy Per, > > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about > > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main > > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the > > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > > software which i dont have since ive never owned one. > > What "x-tra mac software"? > What are you planning to do with it that is not supported by Apple's > bundled software? > > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8386_1190903467_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    You purchased Photoshop? Who does that? I've gotten the last 3 releases on Limewire.
     
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: "Qua Veda" <qua@oregon.com>

    > Jumping in here.. having to re-purchase Photoshop suite would have been very
    > expensive if I switched to Mac. This influenced my decision to stay with the
    > PC for now.
    > -Qua
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Per Boysen [mailto:perboysen@gmail.com]
    > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:25 AM
    > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    > Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux
    >
    > On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote:
    >
    > > Hy Per,
    > > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about
    > > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my main
    > > concern is performance issues having both O.S and the
    > > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > > software which i dont have since ive never owned one.
    >
    > What "x-tra mac software"?
    > What are you planning to do with it that is not supported by Apple's
    > bundled software?
    >
    >
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_8386_1190903467_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 14:38:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E7BE43BF46; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JLzwCAEYmtlPOnNN3Q9l4gdHg6lsHX0qwlDrhQDxbdw=; b=tQbsXWWh5T6VqtD5WzW5cSwshYwZBIBs6pMAVB6hZx+e4nDpPjZ7wQihE7hgrz2Doz+webLNR9ct8DNo6eWQzcpLkwJVODaPsZuQg1VOul/uu/mhwAv3mG5e1sr69p9vi3zKxgRygBeGRGftOQTdDqIBtTbI/ttQ70+TuWucMpw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=UE6GYvIMGWGuSZfcB/ijFaISuOwv1Y+HKl9ZtF1eZJ1zFx/x36aNtlFTmAjGMPZdW/mAu36wpsbu3/dsKWz7tJb49leMlDXYG/MrzqfqqPy0bgEBbXu0Zp8fWbxwDXdLXLN0C+xpEtVEfnrsNGtZ3egXHC6LbizxX3SX7svI5Hw= Message-ID: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:38:40 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Wiernowolski?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070806) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Boss DD-20 sos Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74937 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Hello, Quite recently I've got interested in looping. I'm using software for practicing, but I would prefer a hardware solution. It seems the DD-20 has much to offer at a reasonable price, but I'm not sure whether it can do what I want. Here is the scenario: I'm creating some fading background (feedback<100%). At some point I want to freeze it (feedback=100%) and play solo over it. It is important that the solo part must not go into the loop. After the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop (feedback<100%) and continue to play with it. I'm aware this can be done with additional mixer and line selector, (or in fact two for stereo,) but perhaps there is a simpler solution. Thanks in advance for your help, Michal From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 14:46:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 198E13BF6C; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:46:39 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Boss DD-20 sos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:47:01 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcgBFBvzY1Way91LTmCdZl+u35etqAAAOoIg X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52jur+7k= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74938 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:46:39 +0000 (UTC) You can do this with the DD20 (and with about any other looper, if you can accept that "<100%" is preset one value) when in delay mode. The SOS mode sucks, anyway, but the delay modes are great (also for looping). Rainer > I'm creating some fading background (feedback<100%). At some > point I want to freeze it (feedback=100%) and play solo over > it. It is important that the solo part must not go into the > loop. After the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop > (feedback<100%) and continue to play with it. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:18:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D52B93BF54; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <017501c80119$b798be30$4001a8c0@pcfabio> Reply-To: "e t e r o g e n e o" From: "e t e r o g e n e o" To: References: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:18:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74939 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Hi Leon, I've tried several times, in te past, to record my upright piano, but i didnt' ever got a good sound. I thinks ot's very difficult, because you need not only very good mics, but a good ambience too. While amplifing a guitar is simple, acoustic piano has a lot of frequencies and harmonics that interferes with walls and other materials that are in the same room. That's why i have programmed a piano sound on my synth: no problem with mics and with the ambience just a piano sound. So, if you are using a laptop, you can play some of the beautiful piano sound that softwares offer today like the "Giga Piano". If it can helps.... Fabio P.S. If interested, you can listen some of my piano looping here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwktlUZdWlg ----- Original Message ----- From: "The woodshed" To: Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Acoustic Piano Looping > > Hi There > > Can anyone give some tips on looping an acoustic piano, both grand and > upright? I have been trying with out much success. I am currently using > some contact mic's which go into preamps then into the normal stuff, > laptop or delay / loop pedals. I am having problems with feedback, the > soundboard often picks up the Pa leading to feedback, and the general > sound quality is not great. The live vocal looping thread recently had > some helpful suggestions which I will try out on the next set. > > Does anyone here loop real pianos, and give any advice on equipment > setup? > > thanks > > leon > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: > 269.13.32/1033 - Release Date: 27/09/2007 11.06 > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:23:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D25F33BF6D; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <20070927112332.FQ08T.23282.root@fepweb06> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 8:23:32 -0700 From: =?utf-8?Q?tEd_=C2=AE_kiLLiAn?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: CRAIG WILLIAMS? Cc: Rick Walker In-Reply-To: <008601c800d5$f653cbe0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sensitivity: Normal X-Originating-IP: X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <3eoBwD.A.itG.5r8-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74940 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:23:37 +0000 (UTC) Rick, If I remember correctly. He lives in Sacramento. We exchanged some emails o= n the side (off LD) once upon a time. But, then again, I've had a hard drive crash since then too. The best thing I could think of was to Google him. Try: http://www.myspace.com/gregwilliamsguitarist I think this may be him too . . . Greg Williams 536 - 38th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 (916) 739-6571 gregorwilliams@comcast.net Cheers, tEd =C2=AE kiLLiAn ---- Rick Walker wrote:=20 > I found Greg William's email address finally > and I have a marking on the list for > Craig Williams. >=20 > Is there such a person at Loopers Delight? I can't find him if so in t= he=20 > loopers list or on Google. >=20 > Also, fighting the computer problems I've had recently (losing 6 months= =20 > worth of email addresses > so ALL of the people who applied to the festival thanks to some intermitt= ent=20 > RAM), I'm not sure > if I got bleary eyed and wrote the name down wrong. >=20 > If there is a Greg Williams and you want to play the=20 > festival.................you, or someone who knows you > needs to contact me immediately. >=20 > Sorry for all the gaffs but it's been a bear trying to reconstruct this= =20 > damned thing after this crash. > I'm almost back to normal again, thank dear god! >=20 > yours, Rick=20 >=20 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 15:40:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 565CB3BF79; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-ExtLoop1: 1 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.21,204,1188802800"; d="scan'208,217";a="326749631" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8011C.6E0C3CFB" Subject: Stick looping videos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Stick looping videos Thread-Index: AcgAr5G40OPZAvK/TsaYvB2QOtueswAbFjVQ References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Veda, Qua" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2007 15:38:19.0611 (UTC) FILETIME=[6DFDA2B0:01C8011C] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74941 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:40:38 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8011C.6E0C3CFB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check out this live looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on Stick. Rich and complex and fun with a real groove. http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/ -Qua ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8011C.6E0C3CFB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stick looping videos

    Check out this live = looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on Stick.   Rich and = complex and fun with a real groove.

    http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/

    -Qua

    ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8011C.6E0C3CFB-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 16:51:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id A0F783BF5C; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=R670ByG/F+xMuz8YUvwJ5RzOYo9kiYv3pUjIKDyRh+oCJQx/RmL3XOR1fcaALD6zzjNPGKBz4t9cZVfH05SG9XqiqtgssBVDTDvgg7qmmV9E91+Ce5gCNwSGp8JL1vWMbtgOiPQiyK0DvBTO73IGaPwc77BRvXnVTNxd0aYlpx0=; X-YMail-OSG: 7PGDsYQVM1mqj_X6ERr_u_pTd9fVLHatUFfdNBDqmXWxQaN747JXgk7Gs3L7SKK4E2ZLlZloWPX6yq2Rk.0yz60bAL.NNGPE1KhcpFLJA7Sifwjny0c- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:51:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <4FD099F8-CCDA-4484-A6B3-47D0192E612D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <249490.35860.qm@web38601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74942 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:51:37 +0000 (UTC) Well,you know all of the plugins,recording software such as sonar which i use with windows etc. what includes Macs bundle software anyway?if i was to use the mac side for audio basically i would need a good looping software(which mobius could),a good bundle of quality plugins like waves, and sonar which i use to record,i dont think i would overload the laptop with so many plugins and additional software like i have on my PC, ive come to realise that i find my self using the same tools,plugins etc.over and over to do what i need to do and after trying a lot of things out there there is only so much one needs, i mean if you listen to old records they were basiclaly using echoes,reverbs and leslies and those records tend to sound a lot more interesting that a lot of stuff today.Yes,redux,redux,almost like looking at your wardrobe and realising that you basically use a couple of t-shirts a pair of jeans and your favor ol jacket,and the rest is just there collecting dust! Luis --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 27 sep 2007, at 10.02, L.A. Angulo wrote: > > > Hy Per, > > Yes,this is precisely what i am thinking about > > doing,now i can get the XP software no problem,my > main > > concern is performance issues having both O.S and > the > > cost involved having to get all that x-tra mac > > software which i dont have since ive never owned > one. > > What "x-tra mac software"? > What are you planning to do with it that is not > supported by Apple's > bundled software? > > > > i also dont have much experience with macs but i > could > > of course just start off by doing all the internet > > stuff on the macside and recording on XP. > > Luis > > I think that's a good point. Internet and email on > Mac is simple > because you don't have to buy into extra virus > protection software > (that would clog up your Windows anyway, if you > should do the > internet business on the Windows side). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 17:32:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 510003BF00; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Stick looping videos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:32:57 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001701c8012c$71859db0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgAr5G40OPZAvK/TsaYvB2QOtueswAbFjVQAAQLrQA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYGlxQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74943 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Really beautiful stage lighting! But hey, the Stick is sooo yesterday! Why, you ask? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ofCM6g78RM (No looping here, but the guy does a lot of looping) Rainer > Check out this live looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on Stick. Rich and complex and fun with a > real groove. > http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 17:33:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 006BC3BF6A; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Stick looping videos - post criptum Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:33:51 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <001801c8012c$9188a760$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgAr5G40OPZAvK/TsaYvB2QOtueswAbFjVQAAQmTFA= X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD10+29g0ZKcYGlxQ== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74944 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:33:30 +0000 (UTC) There is looping actually ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ofCM6g78RM From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 18:17:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8F863BF42; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <20280.167.83.10.20.1190916916.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <20061204104256.c66udk5nnydrk8og@www.michaelplishka.com> <20280.167.83.10.20.1190916916.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74945 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as well as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and TR61. I can get decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly used. Any thoughts on these or others? Thanks! Plish From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 18:29:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 015AF3BF74; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:25:27 -0400 From: Bill Fox Subject: Galactic Travels Playlist #547 for September 20, 2007 To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Message-id: <46FBF597.7070004@soundscapes.us> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74946 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Don't forget to tune in to tonight's show. http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/070920.html Galactic Travels is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:04 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA, 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ, 93.7 FM in Fogelsville and Trexlertown, and webcasting on the internet. WDIY also broadcasts in Digital HD at 88.1 FM. Show #547 September 20, 2007 RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight was "Moyland" on Quantum Records. Free System Projekt: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/playlists/2007/focus.html#sep PLAYLIST: 11:04 pm ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Broekhuis, Keller Orange Two Orange (Manikin) and Schonwalder Richard Bone Ryder Adrift Infinite Plastic Creation (Quirkworks) Palancar March 1, 2007 Selected Ambient Train Wrecks Collection 2 (Earth Mantra) 12:00 am ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ==================== ==================== ============================== Free System Projekt Moyland Part 1 Moyland (Quantum) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 2 Moyland (Quantum) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 3 Moyland (Quantum) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 4 Moyland (Quantum) Free System Projekt Moyland Part 5 Moyland (Quantum) Free System Projekt Transition Moyland (Quantum) 1:00 am * = excerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) ++ = Advance CDR from Artist -- = Background music under interview NEXT SHOW: On the next Galactic Travels, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Free System Projekt. The Featured CD at Midnight will be "Gent." Bill ======================================================================= Host of Galactic Travels, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11:04 pm EDT (GMT-4:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem, 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg, and on 93.7 FM in Trexlertown and Fogelsville. WDIY also broadcasts in HD Digital Radio on 88.1 FM. Galactic Travels web site - http://galactictravels.info RSS News Feed: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/enews.xml Podcasts: http://wdiy.org/programs/gt/rss/gt.xml Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click on the LISTEN link or go directly to: http://rm1.refugemedia.com/ramgen/encoder/wdiy.rm To subscribe to the galactic-travels mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/galactic-travels Playlists are also published at http://billfox.blogspot.com RSS (2.0) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/rss.xml Atom (0.3) feed from http://billfox.blogspot.com/atom.xml From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 18:50:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 90F7A3BF4E; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=EaARAAhHDb4okZ5aBJEMSYlxg5SR9Go5oMotvXtWqEo=; b=iY0q/Sg5KPgdLqqJgLaSwY4Cy3SsFyG5TK5qpgqI5vbNRhPMAhWScJJfBUVbHtBT0N3+jH6rqx7D7SwomtN/hLUT11H9OgXEDL7hum27gC0rKUFmHzmDU/i7waWLfkyvFe/dMRAd6RuZ0guzrCaCX18ptXD+r6heqltk/nx0mwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=IdVJZAesKsVU4bsZprFkmFkTZz9YHhyCGds0tVCCyEwxV88EjrcUA7/ULVTP0T7YMa4api70R/SuuSiiXVpxNt6kaFtJwIxZwt1LXF2elI+qZNkqw8tRxDMLuA0cC5gwAVAPsIfIVFfCL61PUwut51Q9b/ghj1zh5T8CfN1P94Y= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:50:35 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74947 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:50:45 +0000 (UTC) On 27 sep 2007, at 17.38, Veda, Qua wrote: > Check out this live looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on > Stick. Rich and complex and fun with a real groove. > > http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/ > Yes, the second piece, "Foc de Gaitas", was good IMHO. Stick is such a multi faceted instrument! Great for looping. When I can afford it I will get one and learn to play it. I'd like to play stick in a manners not far from african drumming. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 18:50:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5D2033BF76; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FBFB77.2010903@mhorse.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:50:31 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping References: <20070927181754.A044B3BF67@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070927181754.A044B3BF67@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <6A_ti.A.Lb.Ju_-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74948 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:50:49 +0000 (UTC) Hmmm...micro-tuned acoustic piano...run through poorly-tracked harmonisers...traditionalists are probably just a small subset of the huge group that would get pissed off at that sound! But for my taste, very cool tracks...it is pretty hard to pick out the piano here. I'm curious about the micro-tuned sounds you're describing. Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > One is a regularly tuned piano, the other is a 'prepared piano' that > I've tuned microtonally (which pissed my wife of initially, she's a > traditionalist). From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 19:01:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3FE0B3BF7D; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=6uMmWaJfTj5zoB5OtmVQGJYwfPshhWFFGpNglZN68Jc=; b=IXdZYsoBa67XeVho36GR9ZWShKRnq6SqtlKuI6f/v3ge6UfbVdpyIxkEIetLLeTdNdQPG/9mD21g1ypPfUZkNcscMLg0Cl3rReDoQrGjtI0hMkYRx7Ee71hL6HOxNX+Ih6M9QbE4sU1wRJg74d1+BKXJ2+e/G46hKct4UocG+bI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NfqnxKLuAABZzfRKpIODyRceH82g4b6ii+Q33MvwGWeXuGzVVzuCgMaz0owUQzwJnXWwUdDaMxSDrjk8LcNscLUS5VvvFOIBB6oL7gfFdsX1zurjUoBsnOMOQONFu7NUYDb5dkSTQedwARlGaJDaxgGEzWgRUI07mIPfMLYMnlc= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:01:10 -0500 From: "Jon Southwood" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Laptop Looping Redux, Redux In-Reply-To: <092720071431.8386.46FBBEAB0003419F000020C22215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1880_24470821.1190919670928" References: <092720071431.8386.46FBBEAB0003419F000020C22215593414020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> Resent-Message-ID: <8BPsgB.A.L6.43_-GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74949 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:01:13 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_1880_24470821.1190919670928 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I did, too. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I choose to pay for tools/toys/etc. that I use, regardless of their form factor (software, hardware, music, movies, instruments). It's the same ethics that cause me to buy cars from dealers or individuals rather than hotwire them and drive them out of a parking ramp. So limiting... Back to Qua's point, I too have not switched from PC to Mac for just that very reason: since I buy my tools, I have far too much invested in the PC platform. I don't use PCs for live looping (prefer the EDP at this point), but I do use PCs for: graphic design and typesetting (InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, Quark, Acrobat Professional), music engraving (SCORE, Sibelius), and recording (Sonar, Audiomulch, Acid, Sound Forge, Kontakt, Garritan Orchestral sample library). That's multiple thousands of dollars of software to replace (and at least one program, SCORE, has no equal on any platform). So, I can spend $500-600 to build a newer, smokin' machine that still runs XP (most off-the-shelf PCs these days only come with some flavor of Vista) and still have access to all the software I've invested so much time and $$ into, or I can jump ship to a Mac (which I love, don't get me wrong--I spend all day at work using OS X (Quark, InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, etc.)) and spend $2k+ on a machine and then another $2k+ to replace the software. Yes, I could install XP on an Intel-Mac, but why spend $2k+ for the machine and another $90 for XP just so I can spend most of my time using XP when I can build a system for 1/4 the cost? I love OS X, but it's not worth $1500 to me. Heck, if I was interested in using a pc for live sound processing, I'd prolly be more inclined to either build a PC using one of the small Shuttle cases, or get a low-cost, moderately powered laptop and a Kyma system and the LoopConstructionKit. Then it doesn't matter what platform I'm on, the Kyma does all the heavy lifting and unless they've changed drastically over the years, they are rock-solid in stability. For now, I'm happy with the EDP for live use, and the PC for home. Cheers, Jon On 9/27/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net wrote: > > You purchased Photoshop? Who does that? I've gotten the last 3 releases on > Limewire. > > > ------=_Part_1880_24470821.1190919670928 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I did, too. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I choose to pay for tools/toys/etc. that I use, regardless of their form factor (software, hardware, music, movies, instruments). It's the same ethics that cause me to buy cars from dealers or individuals rather than hotwire them and drive them out of a parking ramp. So limiting...

    Back to Qua's point, I too have not switched from PC to Mac for just that very reason: since I buy my tools, I have far too much invested in the PC platform. I don't use PCs for live looping (prefer the EDP at this point), but I do use PCs for: graphic design and typesetting (InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, Quark, Acrobat Professional), music engraving (SCORE, Sibelius), and recording (Sonar, Audiomulch, Acid, Sound Forge, Kontakt, Garritan Orchestral sample library).

    That's multiple thousands of dollars of software to replace (and at least one program, SCORE, has no equal on any platform). So, I can spend $500-600 to build a newer, smokin' machine that still runs XP (most off-the-shelf PCs these days only come with some flavor of Vista) and still have access to all the software I've invested so much time and $$ into, or I can jump ship to a Mac (which I love, don't get me wrong--I spend all day at work using OS X (Quark, InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, etc.)) and spend $2k+ on a machine and then another $2k+ to replace the software.

    Yes, I could install XP on an Intel-Mac, but why spend $2k+ for the machine and another $90 for XP just so I can spend most of my time using XP when I can build a system for 1/4 the cost? I love OS X, but it's not worth $1500 to me.

    Heck, if I was interested in using a pc for live sound processing, I'd prolly be more inclined to either build a PC using one of the small Shuttle cases, or get a low-cost, moderately powered laptop and a Kyma system and the LoopConstructionKit. Then it doesn't matter what platform I'm on, the Kyma does all the heavy lifting and unless they've changed drastically over the years, they are rock-solid in stability.

    For now, I'm happy with the EDP for live use, and the PC for home.

    Cheers,
    Jon

    On 9/27/07, midifriedchicken@comcast.net <midifriedchicken@comcast.net> wrote:
    You purchased Photoshop? Who does that? I've gotten the last 3 releases on Limewire.
     


    ------=_Part_1880_24470821.1190919670928-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 19:38:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 236D23BF7B; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46FBFB77.2010903@mhorse.com> References: <20070927181754.A044B3BF67@arsenic.violacea.com> <46FBFB77.2010903@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-13821747 Message-Id: <49482372-B3FB-455D-B6EF-FF3225F97D99@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:38:22 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74950 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:38:26 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-7-13821747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Daryl, Thanks- glad you like them, As I said I don't really play piano (I'm a guitarist) and I inherited one of the pianos, the other I won on ebay after putting a $10 bid in for a friend showing them how to use ebay. No one else put a bid in so I ended up winning it- was quite accidental. I retuned it for want of something else to do with it. I split the keyboard in two- tuned 24 divisions to the octave on the top stings and 18 on the low strings. I did it myself, so it isn't precise- I was just dicking around really. When I have a moment I will try to find some audio files of the pre processed playing- it won't be very flash, which is probably why I process it so heavily. Defining myself by my limitations, I guess. I'd like to see someone who can really play have a go at my piano- it could we wonderful, or perhaps not. Anyway, back to Halo 3. :-) Jim On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote: > Hmmm...micro-tuned acoustic piano...run through poorly-tracked > harmonisers...traditionalists are probably just a small subset of > the huge group that would get pissed off at that sound! > > But for my taste, very cool tracks...it is pretty hard to pick out > the piano here. I'm curious about the micro-tuned sounds you're > describing. > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com >> One is a regularly tuned piano, the other is a 'prepared piano' >> that I've tuned microtonally (which pissed my wife of initially, >> she's a traditionalist). --Apple-Mail-7-13821747 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Daryl,=A0

    Thanks- glad you like = them,

    As I = said I don't really play piano (I'm a guitarist) and I inherited one of = the pianos, the other I won on ebay after putting a $10 bid in for a = friend showing them how to use ebay. No one else put a bid in so I ended = up winning it- was quite accidental.

    I retuned it for want of = something else to do with it.
    I split the keyboard in two- = tuned 24 divisions to the octave on the top stings and 18 on the low = strings.
    I did it myself, so it isn't precise- I was just = dicking around really.

    When I have a moment I will = try to find some audio files of the pre processed playing- it won't be = very flash, which is probably why I process it so heavily. Defining = myself by my limitations, I guess.

    I'd like to see someone who = can really play have a go at my piano- it could we wonderful, or perhaps = not.

    Anyway, = back to Halo 3. :-)

    Jim

    O= n Sep 27, 2007, at 2:50 PM, Daryl Shawn wrote:

    Hmmm...micro-tuned acoustic = piano...run through poorly-tracked harmonisers...traditionalists are = probably just a small subset of the huge group that would get pissed off = at that sound!


    But for my taste, very cool tracks...it = is pretty hard to pick out the piano here. I'm curious about the = micro-tuned sounds you're describing.


    Daryl = Shawn

    www.swanwelder.com

    www.chinapaintingmusic.com<= /FONT>

    One is a regularly tuned piano, the other is a 'prepared = piano' that I've tuned microtonally (which pissed my wife of initially, = she's a traditionalist).

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-7-13821747-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 20:53:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E9C573BF27; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=eNLEamA8NsRPwstxHDH2ATBEiFr40476RTUDmJxueHo=; b=jAR36s20RjJujqinSifmWO7fvU6FIbDARPBgH7FBBrHLiGGGQHQvP6DRTGyEHZxfkRW4K61941kBRv6076sTM3Igq8xwuX4BIffRsHrgmjpIGnTR0pplfrcfQtZulCl//LPZEgB1VKBUPhFSJHtw+R3pHwA5yLY+kgRoM5SoFzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AE2MdP7xqRZEwHk4DsS2Oo+Izn9Nxb5Wym0YVieKZkpKFtGyxV9de94gtVXuKLsYGZlQ1d5rLQi3lfLN3vIQpNjaa22KY8po/bO5b0admUXEHqNOUeE4reV//l5yBDRAzzgPib6TtE0A5I2p63xzllVqh0izUq7o7LEJOKzZV5Q= Message-ID: <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:53:30 -0700 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos In-Reply-To: <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4253_23255277.1190926410938" References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74951 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:53:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4253_23255277.1190926410938 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have to ask this question. How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% feedback and then solo or play over it without incorporating it back into the loop if you want to open it up again and add more to it later? I know you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in another bank but I was under the impression that the first loop was then locked with whatever settings it had when you moved on. I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I? Thanks Kevin > You can do this with the DD20 (and with about any other looper, if you can > accept that "<100%" is preset one value) when in delay mode. The SOS mode > sucks, anyway, but the delay modes are great (also for looping). > > Rainer > > > I'm creating some fading background (feedback<100%). At some > > point I want to freeze it (feedback=100%) and play solo over > > it. It is important that the solo part must not go into the > > loop. After the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop > > (feedback<100%) and continue to play with it. > > -- Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org ------=_Part_4253_23255277.1190926410938 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have to ask this question.  How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% feedback and then solo or play over it without incorporating it back into the loop if you want to open it up again and add more to it later?

    I know you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in another bank but I was under the impression that the first loop was then locked with whatever settings it had when you moved on.  I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I?

    Thanks

    Kevin


    > You can do this with the DD20 (and with about any other looper, if you can
    > accept that "<100%" is preset one value) when in delay mode. The SOS mode
    > sucks, anyway, but the delay modes are great (also for looping).
    >
    >     Rainer
    >
    > > I'm creating some fading background (feedback<100%). At some
    > > point I want to freeze it (feedback=100%) and play solo over
    > > it. It is important that the solo part must not go into the
    > > loop. After the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop
    > > (feedback<100%) and continue to play with it.
    >
    >

    --
    Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
    form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

    - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950)

    Sound and Vision:  http://www.minds-eye.org


    ------=_Part_4253_23255277.1190926410938-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 21:25:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 818843BEF6; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=H5J9cOTXGdCXT8BzFlXv1zJapGeCbGd7nFv4YEwzw/U=; b=GGRmDybiZu7rQm1ZPRDp4VtZ5CdLvKem9uKKUjQXhEAUqbi0FS0ho+lxrZtgC0F7+nTxMgjFG7KplW2YjGddrZKrzU1byo0qrkcqfPG6LJQXF8KrLaz5zP9o5RRboD7LCuaK+OatbUiktHbyzA/e/F5oMFJTLM1nEUHbNCQXQXI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IhzmNFnZQ+Fnzj8ScC5BBmecII9v85PJLuGoMKV7K9FXjCBIdj0yXwwLorLG/Ctwg+zIir31hNNoZq2hTIRMCYBB0weBOmWVzpxQcbqBTsgn8pnO18pmjkt6Mal6fe7snkCMuG62XyCFU+EkxwOorBn8q9IDx+vNV5kk5OwWD8E= Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:25:51 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos In-Reply-To: <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3674_12341671.1190928351816" References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <8m2vmD.A.yeG.i_B_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74952 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:25:54 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3674_12341671.1190928351816 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei! here i go... i visited guillermo at his house two years ago to see how wonderful was him playing... it's amazing! ... but again, as an autodidact, couldn't learn nothing from him and switched to warr guitar. hi per, you don't need any stick to learn tapping take a look at the real master of tapping: "Carlos Vamos". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwm-vxGgFf4 now you can forget Guillermo. TPO crew. 2007/9/27, Per Boysen : > > On 27 sep 2007, at 17.38, Veda, Qua wrote: > > Check out this live looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on > > Stick. Rich and complex and fun with a real groove. > > > > http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/ > > > > Yes, the second piece, "Foc de Gaitas", was good IMHO. Stick is such > a multi faceted instrument! Great for looping. When I can afford it I > will get one and learn to play it. I'd like to play stick in a > manners not far from african drumming. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3674_12341671.1190928351816 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hei! here i go...
    i visited guillermo at his house two years ago to see
    how wonderful was him playing... it's amazing! ... but again,
    as an autodidact, couldn't learn nothing from him and
    switched to warr guitar.

    hi per, you don't need any stick to learn tapping
    take a look at the real master of tapping: "Carlos Vamos".

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwm-vxGgFf4

    now you can forget Guillermo.

    TPO crew.




    2007/9/27, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>:
    On 27 sep 2007, at 17.38, Veda, Qua wrote:
    > Check out this live looping video of Guillermo Cides (Spain) on
    > Stick.   Rich and complex and fun with a real groove.
    >
    > http://www.stickcenter.com/Cides/Video/
    >

    Yes, the second piece, "Foc de Gaitas", was good IMHO. Stick is such
    a multi faceted instrument! Great for looping. When I can afford it I
    will get one and learn to play it. I'd like to play stick in a
    manners not far from african drumming.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)







    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3674_12341671.1190928351816-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 21:53:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EDF63BF7C; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:53:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=DHN3nG5I2ks8VRQiZrLTVCP8we9126U0xhJl6ThUo9g=; b=H55RQpL/sEPrAdEPdf8jPk+PvcqmmIljBzVSVsE9iAMi6fxfTpU3QytM1CLoU1C94fQe0+jVC1GFq+bCYAerEXgOI5Y7rUOsddu0pDpBrtoYI9+X3xeENZ1hzzLkAhOPFwafP+VugNgGXM/FE85ySvvE3qN3cdJfCiWq0uccMsA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=evzIxrSbvesXqlS6WQ5n0QvVkHuXQBdRZnKOjrfN69NaUUANol7L9Spyp6OwzNNZB8+KYVfY2XoHR5r7W5a5z4zgMVsX+VVZhrKa/BGo1MgKEpzSWOxQbcEyausdmW5vCWlMs9Ea5Me0MqJ35N/wASqmM4nLUZS7GZJPhuhJ+WI= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:53:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74953 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:53:46 +0000 (UTC) On 27 sep 2007, at 23.25, Raul Bonell wrote: > hi per, you don't need any stick to learn tapping > take a look at the real master of tapping: "Carlos Vamos". > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwm-vxGgFf4 > > now you can forget Guillermo. Yes, I agree. Carlos Vamos plays nicely. I don't think you should compare these too recordings (videos) because IMO the stick guy is not up to the same level at all. I'm not interested in the stick to learn tapping, I just adore the broad note span, the clear tone and the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 22:01:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6CDC73BEFA; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=vY4d7fn8XZl0/2zJZ79vGgoCA3nvsz4I2FPpYRw3k/4=; b=PPgVGvi2jN216iTbp5hjQCXW8EpWReDUDvIUxqUSUE2JS8K1FIAzT19VFTK2RFYCRugNvw9uEh5FA2gbrcgovbdR4eSSv0mJCwcAPFbBGmSd479uIEO+4khHMf/fE1OHilGl8lcwPOzwCu3pmqxY/vtsNrrpiiazVk0JLp9f6VQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=lwITqtg86ILjxWW9aja8m+A8lji4zzRF0Y+0Kcip+/pO5rdeTdXkioaDyIqziSVgrRkzlwQipUljH0oyOzi/1K+ybLSCPLBTnN+NRVzb8ZNgPh8kZtUpKYLWeRKKYAipVpZ1RduV5i0e1LzzFp3u0R1UuYxa4C0IBHH6vg9yKEc= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:01:21 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos In-Reply-To: <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3773_758506.1190930482052" References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74954 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:01:24 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3773_758506.1190930482052 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hi per the clear tone this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick, since the pickups are designed specially for them and add some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody). and > the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the > flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. > I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new > instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you > can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing > plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3773_758506.1190930482052 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline


     hi per


    the clear tone

    this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick,
    since the pickups are designed specially for them and add
    some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the
    first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody).

    and
    the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the
    flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years.
    I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new
    instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you
    can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing
    plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)







    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3773_758506.1190930482052-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 22:49:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4A38E3BEF6; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=qvDuC184I1p3DMj8FLnIex01hF44eLI3c6CjznRJGfK2/HtHMHS1BaBiLfl7Oojy; h=Received:Mime-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Message-Id:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-25278349 Message-Id: From: David Coffin Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:49:19 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-ELNK-Trace: 0cf8a1273a73c9ff1aa676d7e74259b7b3291a7d08dfec79afcf46f7fa4510536ffae821b2715f62350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 68.118.67.3 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74955 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 22:49:23 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-3-25278349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed I use mine in a loop with a volume pedal in front (and one of those =20 pedal-to-knob rigs attached to the feedback knob/post). Works pretty =20 well, esp. since I=92m unwilling to waste any time trying to wade =20 through all the various and mostly counter-productive modes and =20 settings. I just wanted a simple delay-line looper, and this set-up =20 provides it. Too bad my DD-20=92s stereo seems to have crapped itself =20= back to mono... dc On Sep 27, 2007, at 1:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have =20= > to ask this question. How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% =20 > feedback and then solo or play over it without incorporating it =20 > back into the loop if you want to open it up again and add more to =20 > it later? > > I know you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in =20 > another bank but I was under the impression that the first loop was =20= > then locked with whatever settings it had when you moved on. I =20 > feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I? --Apple-Mail-3-25278349 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 I use mine in a loop with a = volume pedal in front (and one of those pedal-to-knob rigs attached to = the feedback knob/post). Works pretty well, esp. since I=92m unwilling = to waste any time trying to wade through all the various and mostly = counter-productive modes and settings. I just wanted a simple delay-line = looper, and this set-up provides it. Too bad my DD-20=92s stereo seems = to have crapped itself back to mono...=A0
    dc


    On Sep 27, = 2007, at 1:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote:

    As an owner of a = DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have to ask this = question.=A0 How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% feedback and = then solo or play over it without incorporating it back into the loop if = you want to open it up again and add more to it later?=A0

    I know you can set up = a loop and advance forward and then play in another bank but I was under = the impression that the first loop was then locked with whatever = settings it had when you moved on.=A0 I feel like I may be missing = something obvious, am I?=A0
    = --Apple-Mail-3-25278349-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:05:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 955C13BF7D; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.no; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=uZQ9TvNfAIEf3sCcfeRcqb8r2TKwqDGdQ3ijB/VaORIB/YovJs0CLmNYjBFBXy9Bysvv4nsa9cLa1N5SxcUARlT6h8RZ86mQQjAyDu4mdUc89KxbmNzJ1aiI8vpNDnd1dFaBfrorDW04e38jZwdwXyjrHEh5Wq+8jT7avPQ343E=; X-YMail-OSG: QRxWNSwVM1m7Hlqm0D53QSO3tcYg3dTCF0GTNcqfaPRzmO2djyvqsH2HKNWVuQumjQ-- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:05:33 +0200 (CEST) From: rune fagereng Subject: Hassell played in Oslo tonight To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com, powerspot@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <205897.95000.qm@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74956 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Hi ! Tonight I heard Jon Hassell live for the first time - Its just about one hour ago :) Hassell played with Jon Balke at Cosmopolite in Oslo (Norway). It was great ! On the look of the faces of the norwegian musicians - they too liked it. Hassell played with a two unit Eventide and two expression-pedals. Maybe for the harmonizer and amount of delay or reverb. Apart for the amazing sound - the strange and beautiful notes - I am also amazed by the coolness in both his appearence and playing. best regards of Rune Fagereng - Norway _________________________________________________________ Alt i én. Få Yahoo! Mail med adressekartotek, kalender og notisblokk. http://no.mail.yahoo.com From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:10:06 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 98BCF3BF63; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:10:06 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X_CMAE_Category: 0,0 Undefined,Undefined X-CNFS-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=kpHFvfvXAAAA:8 a=WFjzewfiJWrvMQPJRrAA:9 a=X44z2weqwdb0qMkKXZsA:7 a=L0PfAV720JnpIqueBba4V1NLzrIA:4 a=br5QjLurtgQA:10 a=KcIYbXTZkwcA:10 a=hpF-ijbX5cwA:10 a=t_kzgjQUnGvMH8WiiDkA:9 a=pirfbuhgKKyRutomMhkA:7 a=m9sejLhc2kMuMqET4VZP6eu-sBMA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.mail=echohead@embarqmail.com; spf=neutral Authentication-Results: smtp08.embarq.synacor.com smtp.user=echohead@embarqmail.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received-SPF: neutral (smtp08.embarq.synacor.com: 71.52.216.61 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of embarqmail.com) Message-ID: <001601c8015b$8a193a60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> From: "Jeff Duke" To: References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 19:10:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8013A.0235CB70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74957 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:10:06 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8013A.0235CB70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What I do is set up the loop with whatever feedback you want and then = step on the effect off button, your loop keeps playing without adding = more to it. I then can step on it again and add more, change the = feedback etc. hope this helps. Jeff ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kevin Cheli-Colando=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have to = ask this question. How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% feedback = and then solo or play over it without incorporating it back into the = loop if you want to open it up again and add more to it later?=20 I know you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in = another bank but I was under the impression that the first loop was then = locked with whatever settings it had when you moved on. I feel like I = may be missing something obvious, am I?=20 Thanks Kevin > You can do this with the DD20 (and with about any other looper, if = you can > accept that "<100%" is preset one value) when in delay mode. The SOS = mode > sucks, anyway, but the delay modes are great (also for looping).=20 >=20 > Rainer >=20 > > I'm creating some fading background (feedback<100%). At some=20 > > point I want to freeze it (feedback=3D100%) and play solo over=20 > > it. It is important that the solo part must not go into the=20 > > loop. After the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop=20 > > (feedback<100%) and continue to play with it. >=20 >=20 --=20 Till now you seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have = a=20 form. That is the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all = trouble. - Ramana Maharshi (1879-1950) Sound and Vision: http://www.minds-eye.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- No virus found in this incoming message. 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    What I do is set up the loop with = whatever feedback=20 you want and then step on the effect off button, your loop keeps playing = without=20 adding more to it. I then can step on it again and add more, change the = feedback=20 etc. hope this helps.
     
    Jeff
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Kevin=20 Cheli-Colando
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Thursday, September 27, = 2007 4:53=20 PM
    Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 = sos

    As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it = yet, I=20 have to ask this question.  How do you manage to freeze a loop at = 100%=20 feedback and then solo or play over it without incorporating it back = into the=20 loop if you want to open it up again and add more to it later? =

    I know=20 you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in another = bank but I=20 was under the impression that the first loop was then locked with = whatever=20 settings it had when you moved on.  I feel like I may be missing=20 something obvious, am I?

    Thanks

    Kevin


    > = You can=20 do this with the DD20 (and with about any other looper, if you = can
    >=20 accept that "<100%" is preset one value) when in delay mode. The = SOS=20 mode
    > sucks, anyway, but the delay modes are great (also for = looping).=20
    >
    >     Rainer
    >
    > > I'm = creating=20 some fading background (feedback<100%). At some
    > > point = I want=20 to freeze it (feedback=3D100%) and play solo over
    > > it. It = is=20 important that the solo part must not go into the
    > > loop. = After=20 the solo part I want to unfreeze the loop
    > > = (feedback<100%) and=20 continue to play with it.
    >
    >

    --
    Till now you = seriously considered yourself to be the body and to have a
    form. = That is=20 the primal ignorance which is the root cause of all trouble.

    - = Ramana=20 Maharshi (1879-1950)

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    No virus found in this incoming message.
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    ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8013A.0235CB70-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:24:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 273CA3BF08; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <80C48DD8-FA49-4647-A38E-CDF00E5412E5@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:25:24 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74958 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:24:00 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:53 PM, Kevin Cheli-Colando wrote: > As an owner of a DD20 who has not entirely warmed to it yet, I have > to ask this question. How do you manage to freeze a loop at 100% > feedback and then solo or play over it without incorporating it > back into the loop if you want to open it up again and add more to > it later? Save adjacent presets with a delay of, for example 8 sec. and a feedback setting of 3 o'clock. Start adding audio. When you want to freeze the loop, turn the feedback knob all the way up and hit the on/ off pedal - your loop keeps playing while you solo over top without affecting the "loop". You can tap the on / off pedal to go back to adding stuff to the loop, make adjustments to the feedback knob to fade or morph the loop (add stuff while fading etc.). Now, while this one is fading move to the next patch (another saved preset with a set delay time) and add to this one while the one you just left is fading away. > > > I know you can set up a loop and advance forward and then play in > another bank but I was under the impression that the first loop was > then locked with whatever settings it had when you moved on. Yes - so it's important to keep that in mind when creating and morphing from loop 1 to loop 2. As an example: if you want to start playing with textures and plan to move to a rythmic loop you may want to set the feedback knob on the first loop to allow for a slow fade, advance to the next patch (while bypassed), bring in a rhythmic pattern via volume pedal while loop 1 fades. When up to volume with rhythmic pattern hit the on /off pedal to start building your rhythmic loop. Note: if you save your presets with a max delay time (23sec.) and use an fs5u pedal to tap your delay time, it should give you time to capture your rythmic pattern providing it's under 23 sec. Also, use of a volume pedal aids in morphing/ building loops. - Paul From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Thu Sep 27 23:31:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AC4723BF74; Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2pUAIO/dSIZoQG7xy1Nwr8ULqULhwL93fE1OqGx65g4=; b=PMtr3BAap6D97thQ7BM6LObwYxBt4qwlmnnjKzhaYWiZnc8C4bwuvQWJfh0HAorppKbY/hru5Cupia9xFy90SYz+20/yHunZbt4MYrzm1qAvK+NzkYV7h6Qo5zqi27qsmw3kF5uOH0sRevKScy8h7SdN15FV2jD0h+3wvQmXZT8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ubNc5Gfb9yVfadW083G+eRBDVlRhz4pwxqYz6wGgG69auZ80PK/QHwEjQYGUw9XmSZcXDBcbBUycPoBXnlV6Qwrg5x9nzSGIN05uAnD/22VAA7ixulqKy93tYS00IWODhIj4KIzjg9QNgHyD6M2Y1yQvk/WotbULbOa0Bg9rU54= Message-ID: <37f071c00709271631j49c630f7g688ef27f727490c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:31:02 -0700 From: "Kevin Cheli-Colando" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos In-Reply-To: <001601c8015b$8a193a60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4680_25383545.1190935862072" References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8015b$8a193a60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> Resent-Message-ID: <6gnl_D.A.azD.30D_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74959 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:31:03 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4680_25383545.1190935862072 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > > I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I? > > So I guess the answer is YES. Thanks for the tips, this makes the DD20 much more interesting to be sure. Thanks Kevin ------=_Part_4680_25383545.1190935862072 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
    I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I?
    So I guess the answer is YES.  Thanks for the tips, this makes the DD20 much more interesting to be sure.

    Thanks

    Kevin

    ------=_Part_4680_25383545.1190935862072-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 02:27:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 707153BF63; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Tx347iuTcEkEzsl911YPvTKEeMxTQKXR6p3EYFufz+0=; b=na556NjJjXCwRwgIcz3zAK/ReKMi4wKbUXfY5eElsORCX7bxWcJbxFO4V0KrcBLcq+iB0tjnBKpP6mlhbuepFhPOKQzVeX3w3SzVp/fY3SQR/4If3lvXejAjf17mJ2ZxNkLEq8I7RamU5mCND7jfBfdEJ6wd7SOPO4XRdtX4mK8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=anSsp3lhyohLIyXSzGjbIsYcZThGWc9b63NbP26ruEZzWBMlxXS6UU+g31/yY8MFBHfoExWrh067ZMcxHR6zrpnp7PcCWi8x7dryo+MK4L03nD2+3lvZJRFpJVH2DTHdwZF7Gaw5/En4nsDZ9iIr1d7gSuDqA0GN9jOs+RPy01g= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 04:27:28 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos In-Reply-To: <37f071c00709271631j49c630f7g688ef27f727490c@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4329_9935726.1190946448614" References: <46FBC070.7030200@gmail.com> <000d01c80115$43aaff00$1001a8c0@succubus> <37f071c00709271353m37dff88ct4dc6080c56a06a2f@mail.gmail.com> <001601c8015b$8a193a60$0202a8c0@YOUR08D5303051> <37f071c00709271631j49c630f7g688ef27f727490c@mail.gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74960 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:27:34 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4329_9935726.1190946448614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hey guys! and what about pitch shifting capabilities on the dd20? non of the hardware loopers i have can affect picht... thanks! raul. 2007/9/28, Kevin Cheli-Colando : > > I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I? > > > > So I guess the answer is YES. Thanks for the tips, this makes the DD20 > much more interesting to be sure. > > Thanks > > Kevin > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4329_9935726.1190946448614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline hey guys!

    and what about pitch shifting capabilities on the dd20?
    non of the hardware loopers i have can affect picht...

    thanks!

    raul.

    2007/9/28, Kevin Cheli-Colando < billowhead@gmail.com>:
    I feel like I may be missing something obvious, am I?
    So I guess the answer is YES.  Thanks for the tips, this makes the DD20 much more interesting to be sure.

    Thanks

    Kevin




    --
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    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4329_9935726.1190946448614-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 06:50:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EB6D83BF71; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:50:16 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=g/v5jAguMWJaDr40fR9CmlgBIm0DaihYmuYAue5YJVIAUcged4vgxk1PyKXAlwyUHkw4zbPL8YAGnUycNOSCRjh0dcQQKLrgoSukFqsn+x2RuCqDQ7jP7f/qwR5c/jg3Dl7+7TSvPhgyYqd3XBVnmcg5iXl8WLSaORzdHvplEOA=; X-YMail-OSG: 72bc1ccVM1n3OCSXGajdtAn4lAwAOSzYKfCbgsx1Chcr3MHNxriW2To.7gKTTna4PyhMn7CQ_OCC4BYoWIKrDBjqlOZXGjpX6O3_NwCf83c3b.VjXE8M_0lcsBC1tw-- Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:50:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: youtube contacts problem To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <92681.35025.qm@web32715.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <397884.88953.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74961 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 06:50:16 +0000 (UTC) hey gang, in trying to forward some of the videos you have posted here and all of the sudden i cannot see my contacts under my friends list from the drop down menu when i go to share video,i can see all my contacts when i login into my account and they show as being in the friends list but i cannot see them under the drop down menu,i tried adding the contacts to a new list but when i choose the list they dont show,anybody know whats happening? this is very strange! Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 07:11:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 60F7C3BF40; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:11:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=cY5/ltI8sRxqE7+71jxwX9Mfot4gAWd0BWSQWNmlB34=; b=mtoiKKG631ANwXFjn/0Hhyyig+zWPAcRmqzXkcOJiCsfFe3kKelTgdtKkBqBjOzV56BttOzst6qMDZ7OD286XmenTETbAX1NXZ5no9nxmwv8d45ZevTh4Yna4TBfFwxbmnMZxD5sVgiCQpFxpkaBi3yIzsIlXJVqkFqUqArKSZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=iaq8Y8cavV2Xk/fPdkw7ifGbdQmv1SOQTeA/UWS0yV9jwSelDXq3vLZV5D4OQO7wwAgY5eOp0NG5kuxDXxuFlKAcT4hT8hC/kJIrnGXbxjAjxxdpHJew9BzUL+3kH3EQ2aTx0thlV3PAjOgoeegO+QLtfpBbRtpkwWsJwIsNYzY= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:11:20 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74962 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:11:30 +0000 (UTC) > the clear tone On 28 sep 2007, at 00.01, Raul Bonell wrote: > this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick, > since the pickups are designed specially for them and add > some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the > first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it > (o.k.! somebody). Excuse me for not being clear. I was rather talking about "clear tone in orchestration" (as in "looping"). With the stick you have a huge span of notes to chose from and this makes it possible to use an optimal note distribution over the octaves, to give a clear sound in general. Even the muddiest single tone character can sound clean and beautiful if orchestrated into a good voicing when looping with that instrument. PIano is another instrument that is able to acoustically fill the full span. Bass clarinet is another one. But for most instruments you need workarounds to get down into the bass area. As for example, when I loop on alto flute I need to bring up the loop two octaves to put in the notes that are to become bass notes in the looping orchestration. That's fun from an experimental point of view, but not very intuitive. With a stick (piano, bass clarinet etc) I would be able to play all lines manually. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 07:19:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5A3D23BF71; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Nnfo1UQP3ZvuAOg7TiXfHIMdbSMGbD1/RP6oV/SB3/vwIDHibeNP1CZrhPYWkSjBOe1Xsfcd5a/psV6jQczy0JHnmctaMxAMjsJskLFQLQGpGoUT/vSXJSdF1esjfbc7AHDXlmHmPCB9rYOvgtQVbjqiqyqpmRsntYzttHPKBKo=; X-YMail-OSG: hqZxTMwVM1k4mVroOqIPQBud7Dbws8cH3pV_ML3HJWvlbNDrljjhoVoWWw9ZRV.rIzvr.czWBF8Id8ePPMLwz4IhL0cMLvTT.FRfEtWNOYFnUPkZaAUQwBK1VrrrOw-- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:19:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: RE: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <001b01c7fdf0$2b2630d0$81729270$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <360588.99977.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74963 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:19:14 +0000 (UTC) Kris this is brilliant! ive also made a Cd with bits of my kids singing and looping and rapping in german and spanish i love seeing them go nuts! my brother made this video of them as well although not looping on one of those nights where they just wouldn´t go to sleep my daughter can bearly carry my les paul(my son is the singer) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VmFKPcRUBE --- Qua Veda wrote: > The true Kid Beyond !! > > -Qua > > > > From: Krispen Hartung [mailto:khartung@cableone.net] > > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 9:49 PM > To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > Subject: My 28 month old's first shot at looping... > > > > Well, this is definitely not OT...but it's also not > the most serious of > topics either! This evening, I decided to give my > 28 month old twin > (Tristan) his first shot at looping. I plugged an > SM57 into my Boss RC-2, > and then into a cheap Epiphone battery powered amp > with some distortion. I > hope you get a real kick out of this. I laughed my > ass off. I could only get > so much out of him, because of the competing > balloons nearby and after a > while he became bored of my simple setup. :) > > > > http://www.box.net/shared/h7nht52ce5 > > > > It's amazing how fast toddlers learn. After 1 minute > of watching me operate > the RC-2, he had already figured out how to turn on > the drum guide beat and > stop the loop, restart, etc. And of course, if you > know 2 year olds, after > that he wouldn't let me touch the gear, but insisted > on being the one to > control the knobs, unplug wires, and basically mess > things up. > > > > And then the whole feedback thing with the mic was > totally his own doing. > He's never seen that done...an experimenter at > heart! > > > > Kris > > > > > > ************************************************************************** > Krispen Hartung > www.krispenhartung.com / > www.myspace.com/krispenhartung > info@krispenhartung.com / 1.208.724.5603 > Discography - > http://www.krispenhartung.com/catalogue.htm > CD Baby Discography: http://cdbaby.com/all/khartung > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 07:26:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 37CF93BF46; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=jVBaVS7MuOTpGvRRJBgdDwdHya3vKuNjeFoQgM4QHEQ=; b=GOXB2eM7Ry9tb+ICfqtDM2Z53N+q8FOpHuPVDBh+S5iOZERn2NC6LcaXPzx0YvADIdntFssjNfz2kJegQViZq7QGcxmDRBS6A0MNy/c2WFxjci/U0po1lw1m3mpm/XMQSEnRbI63Z/Rvs5cFzGUe3BoHDpvlfPajqh70hBVPfnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kbTlmBETdxGW69PcFCJqh4R0ErBARpePtPz44hwjuXmVDkA2xTaz/kFkRNaqMbSE9clOQ3Io72Zma/ePLadB3WgQVrtNK4dlFQY7EZOWzr70hcRtGemfbmlPc19IiaXrW6T9wvGZtY62aZm8Q5AJMGK86Zqut60xAnBCEnn1uOc= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <205897.95000.qm@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <205897.95000.qm@web26212.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Hassell played in Oslo tonight Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:42 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74964 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:26:49 +0000 (UTC) On 28 sep 2007, at 01.05, rune fagereng wrote: > Hi ! > > Tonight I heard Jon Hassell live for the first time - > Its just about one hour ago :) > > Hassell played with Jon Balke at Cosmopolite in Oslo > (Norway). > > It was great ! On the look of the faces of the > norwegian musicians - they too liked it. > > Hassell played with a two unit Eventide and two > expression-pedals. > Maybe for the harmonizer and amount of delay or > reverb. > > Apart for the amazing sound - the strange and > beautiful notes - I am also amazed by the coolness in > both his appearence and playing. > > best regards of Rune Fagereng - Norway Thanks for reporting! I haven't heard Hassell live for a long time now, but what amazes me about the guy is that he sounds "like Hassell" acoustically. Ie his sound is not mainly about "electronics". I especially like the way Hassell plays both minor and major thirds in melodic lines. And of course his beautiful way of working with the macro impact of scales, melodies and attitudes - as opposed to working particularly with a scale, a melody or an attitude. BTW, looping is a great tool for learning that "musical split vision" (playing with really good musicians, or a master teacher being the traditional way to learn it) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 07:47:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6700B3BF36; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=JIj0W+6tAgulIhzR+XV3r9i+EYl+fV77pdiBal6ibeYxHBuyiRX6GVYp/4rNVykdRgwgFMpX0o1ZGwThA3DH3L/idTCfDAeTzgQ3YlSZiYo4PPB2MRggmgp/9jPlwG9bEUuXxG/RL7I5cqAXKLjbwKD6+bmWXdn+UBA+HEJoSdQ=; X-YMail-OSG: Cwffr0cVM1kxu30KRK36jB0MjdoOWnwUckA5eBIuJeHFcGq0SctOn5RpQYxebu1PgwmKaO2jP2zV8OBcOICwpkHsguxRWJWdlXwHkEQHCk7EmJ6I2J8- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 00:47:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Powertune controlled tuning system To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <013801c7fcc8$f9acab10$6401a8c0@YOUR8D89FFE59A> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <360880.87936.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74965 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Just to let u know that i just got on the phone with tony,the companys representative and asked him about using this system for the acoustic guitar,he said at the moment they are working hard on it and will take about another half a year before they bring it out,the components will be the same with no sound alteration in your instrument and completely independent from your installed pickups,dreams are coming true i cant wait!!! Luis http://www.music-king.com/modules/shop/index.php?location_id=46 www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 10:36:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E8DC93BF66; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:36:22 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <764C57BA-09C3-42C5-B20E-E15F1A6BB271@blueyonder.co.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-67696826 Message-Id: <0C389FB1-92DE-41BB-B9EB-42F6CB2E5617@blueyonder.co.uk> From: The woodshed Subject: Re: Acoustic Piano Looping Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:36:17 +0100 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74966 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:36:22 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-67696826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi There Thanks for the music links and the info, it has given me a few ideas. The ambience looping is really interesting. I am itching to try out the harmoniser trick. I have often wanted to 'bend' notes, ala clavichiord. Regarding your traditionalist wife, if you haven't already just point her towards traditional classical composers such as Bartok 6th quartet last movement, and Charles Ives quarter tone pieces. Doubt you will win her round.... best leon > Another loop environment I have is taking boundary mics of the > pianos, feeding the room sound into my outboard reverb units set to > be extremely wet, modulated and with long delays times (5s and > above). Depending on the mic choice you get very dark or very > bright modulating reverb washes. I don't make them much of a > feature in my tracks- they get used for background noises in > tracks and especially for links between sections when I can't find > something more compositionally relevant. > > You can hear some of the ambience looping in the background of this > short guitar loop: > > http://www.lotusthrone.com/Scape1.mp3 > > I'm a throat singer and will position myself over the piano strings > and throat sing against the strings and capture that > > http://www.jamesrichmond.com/throat_80bpm.mp3 has the throat > singing against string looping and the background noises are loops > of microtonal piano patterns fed into protools and modified with > some soundtoys plugins. > > I'll see if I can find some that sounds more like piano- I tend to > modify and filter the audio a lot. > > It isn't high tech by any means- but works for me. > The pianos are in different rooms- I have long cable runs and > control the hardware remotely using Apple's remote desktop. There > is a Logic environment that I use to send program changes to the > echo pro to control it. > Any desk changes require sneaker-net (yes, walking back to the > control room). > Not ideal but I don't have the room to have both pianos in my live > room. > > Sometimes I'll just play direct to dat or some other 2 track > recorder (ipod) and then use the audio as 'tape loops' that get fed > into different pieces of hardware or software. The main thing is > flexibility. > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > > On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:23 AM, The woodshed wrote: > > --Apple-Mail-1-67696826 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
    Hi = There

    Thanks for the music links and the info, it has = given me a few ideas. The ambience looping is really interesting. I am = itching to try out the harmoniser trick. I=A0 have often wanted to = 'bend' notes, ala clavichiord. Regarding your traditionalist wife, if = you haven't already just point her towards traditional classical = composers such as Bartok 6th quartet last movement, and Charles Ives = quarter tone pieces. Doubt you will win her round....


    best

    leon

    Another loop environment I have is taking = boundary mics of the pianos, feeding the room sound into my outboard = reverb units set to be=A0extremely wet, modulated and with long delays = times (5s and above). Depending on the mic choice you get very dark or = very bright modulating reverb washes. I don't make them much of a = feature in my tracks- they get used for=A0 background noises in tracks = and especially for links between sections when I can't find something = more compositionally relevant.





    You can hear some of the ambience looping = in the background of this short guitar loop:


    I'm a throat singer and = will position myself over the piano strings and throat sing against the = strings and capture that

    http://www.jamesric= hmond.com/throat_80bpm.mp3 has the throat singing against string = looping and the background noises are loops of microtonal piano patterns = fed into protools and modified with some soundtoys = plugins.

    I'll = see if I can find some that sounds more like piano- I tend to modify and = filter the audio a lot.

    It isn't high tech by any = means- but works for me.
    The pianos are in different rooms- I = have long cable runs and control the hardware remotely using Apple's = remote desktop. There is a Logic environment that I use to send program = changes to the echo pro to control it.
    Any desk changes = require sneaker-net (yes, walking back to the control = room).
    Not ideal but I don't have the room to have both pianos = in my live room.

    Sometimes I'll just play = direct to dat or some other 2 track recorder (ipod) and then use the = audio as 'tape loops' that get fed into different pieces of hardware or = software. The main thing is flexibility.

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 27, 2007, at 9:23 AM, The = woodshed wrote:



    = --Apple-Mail-1-67696826-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 11:54:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 218403BF33; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=2rMqL5YDQKyTywKECIXCW/DS3M0p+n2FDLFtM7kQ2yY=; b=AXuZT3XlbU9fWbEfDo/iQEXlErbbGSDCAxLKkD6vAI0x25QBIQvIvI273Scp+OHLg4EiY2aq3CxxU8PK3mwTY73LFeHMcXWTvvnu7jJwOOZYpH4IiJj7AlB50Ed3TdOVCf95ZCLRj+RHOE/V+5HqOcyQI7YjL0ETJexBXqPDGBQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=A2JnkMa9X41kHZIvHejqDnNH07aT1MaYqlTT8ADT0G+lT9FKUxDkv38nx0Z4tAIoeA1N7szg9aJETtv+NsE6u5nyHrqurGzcXXFXak8ErC0XWAtCCczy1pDa/h2x9xBAVTAqKmGMl1iAE6BrhcQRXrYaDst/TuyPj1lY7HUSANk= Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:54:29 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_362_5597072.1190980469733" References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: <3aDItC.A.KaB.3tO_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74967 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:54:32 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_362_5597072.1190980469733 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline 2007/9/28, Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com: > > > > Excuse me for not being clear. I was rather talking about "clear tone > in orchestration" (as in "looping"). With the stick you have a huge > span of notes to chose from and this makes it possible to use an > optimal note distribution over the octaves, to give a clear sound in > general. Even the muddiest single tone character can sound clean and > beautiful if orchestrated into a good voicing when looping with that > instrument. this is true. although i observe that the most common is the contrary situation of what you are talking about. this amount of possibilities (the doubled strings on both sides) makes people not to decide "where"... > PIano is another instrument that is able to acoustically fill the > full span. Bass clarinet is another one. But for most instruments you > need workarounds to get down into the bass area. the bass clarinet (above all, the cheaper ones) need workarounds to get up in the high area ;-) > As for example, when > I loop on alto flute I need to bring up the loop two octaves to put > in the notes that are to become bass notes in the looping > orchestration. That's fun from an experimental point of view, but not > very intuitive. With a stick (piano, bass clarinet etc) I would be > able to play all lines manually. ... me too! (i play warr,piano+tenor.sax). Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_362_5597072.1190980469733 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

    2007/9/28, Per Boysen perboysen@gmail.com:


    Excuse me for not being clear. I was rather talking about "clear tone
    in orchestration" (as in "looping"). With the stick you have a huge
    span of notes to chose from and this makes it possible to use an
    optimal note distribution over the octaves, to give a clear sound in
    general. Even the muddiest single tone character can sound clean and
    beautiful if orchestrated into a good voicing when looping with that
    instrument.

    this is true. although i observe that the most common is the contrary situation of what you are talking about. this amount of possibilities (the doubled strings on both sides) makes people not to decide "where"... 

     
    PIano is another instrument that is able to acoustically fill the
    full span. Bass clarinet is another one. But for most instruments you
    need workarounds to get down into the bass area.

    the bass clarinet (above all, the cheaper ones) need workarounds to get up in the high area ;-)
     
    As for example, when
    I loop on alto flute I need to bring up the loop two octaves to put
    in the notes that are to become bass notes in the looping
    orchestration. That's fun from an experimental point of view, but not
    very intuitive. With a stick (piano, bass clarinet etc) I would be
    able to play all lines manually.

    ... me too! (i play warr,piano+tenor.sax). 

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)







    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_362_5597072.1190980469733-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:31:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BA33BF6C; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:31:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-SBRS: None X-SenderGroup: RELAYLIST X-MailFlowPolicy: $RELAYED X-MID: 676849043 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:31:52 +0100 Message-ID: <1BB076E4C332F9469148F41725F17A72055FF668@MTVNE-EXCLUST02.mtvne.ad.viacom.com> In-Reply-To: <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) Thread-Index: AcgB0+3hnN3xdnH6R3aqPiZgaGsRmQ== References: <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> From: "Goddard, Duncan" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2007 13:31:52.0230 (UTC) FILETIME=[EDF8EC60:01C801D3] Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74968 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:31:54 +0000 (UTC) >>Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as = well as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and = TR61. I can get decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly used.<< dunno about the korg- my ex has a triton, & I could never get my head = round the programming/architecture. I guess what I'm trying to say is, = that ease-of-use of the programming side has to be the most important = aspect of the choice..... none of the synth modules, romplers or = whatever that I've ever used has had /bad/ sounds in it- some are better = at one thing than another.=20 generally speaking then, unless you are after a very particular = rendition of a sound (e.g. the korg grand piano samples may sound = marginally more convincing to your ear than, say, the roland), make sure = you are comfortable with how the machine is laid out & what it feels = like to use. you don't want to be stuck with the factory presets, after = all! my own preference is for the last version of emu "proteus" architecture = (which started with the audity-2000, though this particular module isn't = compatible with the rest of the range). in particular, the keyboard = version (PK6 &c) is a nice box, with a nice-feeling keyboard, reasonably = easy to edit stuff on, & (depending on the model- the PK6 had a sort of = "generic" set called "composer") a great selection of sounds. they can = probably be found NOS or on e-bait quite cheaply. mine was new & cost = =A3300. you can pay more than that for a decent controller keyboard that = doesn't make any noise. go, as they say, figure! btw, I went for the emu stuff because I could make my own flash-rom for = them, using a big emu sampler.... I guess the triton offers something = similar. duncan. From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:32:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 17D1A3BF1B; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:32:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:32:35 EDT Subject: OT PLANOS To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c22.1f3dd36b.342e5c73_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74969 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:32:38 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c22.1f3dd36b.342e5c73_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/28/07 3:11:39 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes: > PIano > hey.....i just had a plano for breakfast this morning!.....:) www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c22.1f3dd36b.342e5c73_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/28/07 3:11:39 AM, perboysen@gmail.com writes:


    PIano


    hey.....i just had a plano for breakfast this morning!.....:)



    www.ct-collective.com
    http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/
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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c22.1f3dd36b.342e5c73_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:56:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9EED33BF79; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:56:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:56:01 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: RE: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_=__=_XaM3_.1190987761.2A.481186.42.15886.52.42.007.341692917" From: "Sjaak" To: "Loopers-Delight" X-XaM3-API-Version: 4.1 (B54) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 145.58.65.145 X-DCC-scarlet.be-Metrics: elist Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74970 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:56:04 +0000 (UTC) --_=__=_XaM3_.1190987761.2A.481186.42.15886.52.42.007.341692917 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Duncan, I have used many different synths. If you're looking for an allround synt= h, I would recommend a "rompler" type, examples are: Korg: Triton series, X-series, (TR is a light weigth Triton spin-off) Roland: Fantom series Yamaha: Motif or S series The technical differences between all the different models are - build quality =3D> especially the keyboard - Internal wave ROM - Effect engine - polyphony (32,64,128) - sampling option Yes/No If you're not going to program your own sounds, keep in mind that you 1) can only use the factory presets or 2) buy sounds and load them into the synth I owned a Triton and Fantom in the past, and I'm now using a Yamaha S90-E= S 90 (=3D Motif ES). In terms of ease of use, the Fantom is a good choice= . You can also plugin special SRX cards with excellent Strings (=3D SRX-0= 6) and World sounds (=3D SRX-09). I owned the World card, it's the best s= ample card I've ever heard. http://www.rolandus.com/productsearch/default.aspx?SearchTerm=3Dsrx Best tip: go to a music store and play on the different models :) Regards, Sjaak > >>Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as = well as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and = TR61 =0A---=0AScarlet One, ADSL 6 Mbps + Telefonie, vanaf EUR 29,95...=0A= http://www.scarlet.be/ --_=__=_XaM3_.1190987761.2A.481186.42.15886.52.42.007.341692917 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi Duncan,
    I have used many different synths. If you're looking for an all= round synth, I would recommend a "rompler" type, examples are:
     
    Korg: Triton series, X-series, (TR is a light weigth Triton spi= n-off)
    Roland: Fantom series
    Yamaha: Motif or S series
     
    The technical differences between all the different m= odels are
    - build quality =3D> especially the keyboard
    - Internal wave ROM
    - Effect engine
    - polyphony (32,64,128)
    - sampling option Yes/No
     
    If you're not going to program your own sounds, keep in mind that&nb= sp;you 
    1) can only use the factory presets or
    2) buy sounds and load them into the synth
     
    I owned a Triton and Fantom in the past, and I'm now using a Yamaha = S90-ES 90 (=3D Motif ES). In terms of ease of use, the Fantom is a g= ood choice. You can also plugin special SRX cards with excellent Strings = (=3D SRX-06) and World sounds (=3D SRX-09). I owned the World card, it's = the best sample card I've ever heard.
     
     
    Best tip: go to a music store and play on the different models :)
     
    Regards,
    Sjaak
     
     
     
    > >>Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings a= re a plus as well as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg st= uff: X50 and TR61
    --_=__=_XaM3_.1190987761.2A.481186.42.15886.52.42.007.341692917-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 13:59:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2D3973BF81; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:00:43 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8019D.49C2DE20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgBU0Hs8zJdhYuMSNeliHtaNQUEYQAhD67w Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0aec0c29000071ca.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74971 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:59:56 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8019D.49C2DE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey Raul, Its fine if you don't like the Stick, but I have to disagree with you, the Stick is capable of a great range of tones and dynamics. -Qua From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos hi per the clear tone this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick, since the pickups are designed specially for them and add some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody). and the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8019D.49C2DE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hey Raul,

    Its fine if you don’t like the Stick, =  but  I have to disagree with you,   the Stick is capable of a great range of = tones  and dynamics.

    -Qua

     

    From:= Raul = Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Stick looping videos

     



     hi per

     

    the clear tone


    this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick,
    since the pickups are designed specially for them and add
    some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the
    first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody).

    and
    the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the
    flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. =
    I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new
    instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you
    can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing
    plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com = (international)






    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web= 2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra

    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C8019D.49C2DE20-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:23:30 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 34BC53BF80; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com In-Reply-To: <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> References: <20061204104256.c66udk5nnydrk8og@www.michaelplishka.com> <20280.167.83.10.20.1190916916.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-81325645 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:23:26 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74972 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:23:30 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-10-81325645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed I've been collecting synths from the 80/90's- more because the prices =20= are in the $100-300 range and I like having a lot of options. Some good ones: Roland JV1080 with world and vintage cards. Excellent bread and =20 butter sounds, very flexible. Roland JD990 - great basses. Kurzweil K2000 (or K2k rack) - incredible sound engine, flakey =20 sequencer, wonderful fx engine. Yamaha SY 77/85/99 - Nice strings, fm synthesis engine (like a DX7 on =20= steroids). Skip the SY22. Quasimidi Sirius or Polymorph - More techno-oriented, great filters, =20 Polymorph has a great interface, sirius has a nice vocoder. You could buy ALL of these synths on the secondhand market for what =20 you would pay for a new ROMpler synth, although Quasimidi's are =20 starting to increase in value. There are some incredible bargains going in hardware synthesis right =20 now. These synths were in the $1-2k range on release but are worth almost =20 nothing on the secondhand market now everyone is going softsynthy. I =20 have no prejudice against soft synths- I have loads of them but there =20= is something great about hardware. Try to find a used Roland JP8000 - they came out around =A31500- =20 Bought mine in Switzerland for 600 chf (about $500) and they kick ass. Incredible strings, amazing basses, decent fx (although not as =20 flexible as kurzweil)- you really should check one out. Check ebay- if in the US try checking ebay Germany- there are always =20 a lot of bargains on ebay Germany (I guess due to economy being a bit =20= screwy). You can easily convert a 230v power supply to a 110v one =20 with one simple solder join on the PCB. Takes 5 mins. Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com wrote: > Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as =20= > well > as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and =20= > TR61. > I can get decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly used. > > Any thoughts on these or others? > > Thanks! > > Plish --Apple-Mail-10-81325645 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been collecting synths from = the 80/90's- more because the prices are in the $100-300 range and I = like having a lot of options.

    Some good = ones:

    Roland = JV1080 with world and vintage cards. Excellent bread and butter sounds, = very flexible.
    Roland JD990 - great basses.
    Kurzweil = K2000 (or K2k rack) - incredible sound engine, flakey sequencer, = wonderful fx engine.
    Yamaha SY 77/85/99 - Nice strings, fm synthesis = engine (like a DX7 on steroids). Skip the SY22.
    Quasimidi = Sirius or Polymorph - More techno-oriented, great filters, Polymorph has = a great interface, sirius has a nice vocoder.

    You could buy ALL of these = synths on the secondhand market for what you would pay for a new ROMpler = synth, although Quasimidi's are starting to increase in = value.
    There are some incredible bargains going in hardware = synthesis right now.
    These synths were in the $1-2k range on = release but are worth almost nothing on the secondhand market now = everyone is going softsynthy. I have no prejudice against soft synths- I = have loads of them but there is something great about = hardware.

    Try = to find a used Roland JP8000 -=A0 they came out around =A31500- Bought = mine in Switzerland for 600 chf (about $500) and they kick = ass.
    Incredible strings, amazing basses, decent fx (although = not as flexible as kurzweil)- you really should check one = out.
    Check ebay- if in the US try checking ebay Germany- there = are always a lot of bargains on ebay Germany (I guess due to economy = being a bit screwy). You can easily convert a 230v power supply to a = 110v one with one simple=A0solder join on the PCB. Takes 5 = mins.

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com = wrote:

    Am = looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as = well

    as cool = World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and = TR61.

    I can get = decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly used.

    =


    Any thoughts on these or others?


    Thanks!


    Plish

    =

    = --Apple-Mail-10-81325645-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 14:28:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE593BF89; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-11-81632842 Message-Id: From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:28:33 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74973 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:28:37 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-11-81632842 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed What would be an entry level stick purchase? I've been thinking about it for a while now but haven't had the dollars. Is there an online forum where stickses are traded/discussed. Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars? Someone sells them on CL- they look a bit odd but they look stickish/=20 warresque. Regards, Jim Richmond On Sep 28, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Qua Veda wrote: > Hey Raul, > > Its fine if you don=92t like the Stick, but I have to disagree with =20= > you, the Stick is capable of a great range of tones and dynamics. > > -Qua --Apple-Mail-11-81632842 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 What would be an entry level = stick purchase?
    I've been thinking about it for a while now but = haven't had the dollars.

    Is there an online forum = where stickses are traded/discussed.
    Has anyone heard of = 'Krappy' touch guitars?
    Someone sells them on CL- they look a = bit odd but they look stickish/warresque.

    Regards,=A0

    Jim = Richmond

    On Sep 28, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Qua Veda = wrote:

    Hey Raul,

    Its fine if you = don=92t like the Stick, =A0but=A0 I have to disagree with you,=A0=A0 the = Stick is capable of a great range of tones=A0 and dynamics.

    On 28 sep 2007, at 16.28, James Richmond wrote: > >> What would be an entry level stick purchase? >> I've been thinking about it for a while now but haven't had the dollars. >> >> Is there an online forum where stickses are traded/discussed. > > > There are six different models to choose from. Here are the good URL's > I have been drooling over for some years, waiting for the dollars to > arrive.... ;-) > > http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/stick/index.html (good intro) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapman_Stick (structured description) > http://www.stick.com (great resource for anything sticky) > http://www.mousesupport.com/jokorn/stick/index.html (address list) > > The last page is a list of stick serial numbers and the owners. You > can see if someone in your area owns an instrument and contact them to > ask to pop over and have a look at it. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 17:04:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0398F3BF58; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 13:04:20 EDT Subject: i've been playin my brains out..... To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd8.1b82190e.342e8e14_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74977 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:04:34 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cd8.1b82190e.342e8e14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit and boy have i gotten stupid.....i keep trying to get more out of my little setup and discover that i have my ins in my outs and outs coming out of "footpedal" ins.....that was a good one, i tried every damn cable i had and nothing worked, even changed the box itself, "this is supposed to be stereo WHY ISN'T IT F*%KING STEREO!!!!!", daze of going nuts till i actually LOOKED at the pedal, ahhh footpedal in does not = line out!.....holy cow!.....it never ends.....it's the simple stuff that messes me up, thank goodness i haven't gotten to the hard stuff yet.....luddites unite!.....MIDI, ya got to be kidden!.....i can find many ways to screw up an acoustic guitar, oh, i have the strings on backwards!.....altzheimers is very unbecoming in a 60 yr. old.....and that blows my mind, 60 wtf!.....i never got that pill that made me an adult although i took many a GOOFY PILL in my time.....YOUNG PEOPLE BEWARE!!!!!.....here we go, on topic at last, i can't wait for the stereo rang, it will simplify my already simple life.....back for more planos, yumm, i wish they didn't only grow in sweden.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd8.1b82190e.342e8e14_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and boy have i gotten stupid.....i keep= trying to get more out of my little setup and discover that i have my ins i= n my outs and outs coming out of "footpedal" ins.....that was a good one, i=20= tried every damn cable i had and nothing worked, even changed the box itself= , "this is supposed to be stereo WHY ISN'T IT F*%KING STEREO!!!!!", daze of=20= going nuts till i actually LOOKED at the pedal, ahhh footpedal in does not=20= =3D line out!.....holy cow!.....it never ends.....it's the simple stuff that= messes me up, thank goodness i haven't gotten to the hard stuff yet.....lud= dites unite!.....MIDI, ya got to be kidden!.....i can find many ways to scre= w up an acoustic guitar, oh, i have the strings on backwards!.....altzheimer= s is very unbecoming in a 60 yr. old.....and that blows my mind, 60 wtf!....= .i never got that pill that made me an adult although i took many a GOOFY PI= LL in my time.....YOUNG PEOPLE BEWARE!!!!!.....here we go, on topic at last,= i can't wait for the stereo rang, it will simplify my already simple life..= ...back for more planos, yumm, i wish they didn't only grow in sweden.....:)= .....michael



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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cd8.1b82190e.342e8e14_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 18:23:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3AA803BF90; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:42 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FD5546.1060505@imt.net> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:25:58 -0700 From: Bob Weigel User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) References: <20061204104256.c66udk5nnydrk8og@www.michaelplishka.com> <20280.167.83.10.20.1190916916.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74978 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:23:42 +0000 (UTC) You can get a lot of sound samples on my sounddoctorin.com SDstudio page and the global synth section of course has tons of helpful links including some with sound samples. For strings and misc. useful attributes and lots of patches available out there...I'd tend to steer someone towards a Kawai K5000 or Korg Karma if you have a little more. -Bob James Richmond wrote: > I've been collecting synths from the 80/90's- more because the prices > are in the $100-300 range and I like having a lot of options. > > Some good ones: > > Roland JV1080 with world and vintage cards. Excellent bread and butter > sounds, very flexible. > Roland JD990 - great basses. > Kurzweil K2000 (or K2k rack) - incredible sound engine, flakey > sequencer, wonderful fx engine. > Yamaha SY 77/85/99 - Nice strings, fm synthesis engine (like a DX7 on > steroids). Skip the SY22. > Quasimidi Sirius or Polymorph - More techno-oriented, great filters, > Polymorph has a great interface, sirius has a nice vocoder. > > You could buy ALL of these synths on the secondhand market for what > you would pay for a new ROMpler synth, although Quasimidi's are > starting to increase in value. > There are some incredible bargains going in hardware synthesis right now. > These synths were in the $1-2k range on release but are worth almost > nothing on the secondhand market now everyone is going softsynthy. I > have no prejudice against soft synths- I have loads of them but there > is something great about hardware. > > Try to find a used Roland JP8000 - they came out around £1500- Bought > mine in Switzerland for 600 chf (about $500) and they kick ass. > Incredible strings, amazing basses, decent fx (although not as > flexible as kurzweil)- you really should check one out. > Check ebay- if in the US try checking ebay Germany- there are always a > lot of bargains on ebay Germany (I guess due to economy being a bit > screwy). You can easily convert a 230v power supply to a 110v one with > one simple solder join on the PCB. Takes 5 mins. > > Regards, > > Jim Richmond > > On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com > wrote: > >> Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus as well >> >> as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 and TR61. >> >> I can get decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly used. >> >> >> Any thoughts on these or others? >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> Plish >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:11:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 9047D3BF8E; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:11:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000c01c80203$592a4900$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: Eventide Timefactor Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:11:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8020B.BAC64170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74979 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:11:10 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8020B.BAC64170 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0009_01C8020B.BAC64170" ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C8020B.BAC64170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi, Back on the list againand good to be reading all the postings. I think that I'm convinced enough to buy the (relatively) new Eventide = TimeFactor stomp box, I've read all the reviews that I can find and = downloaded a manual - i does look so versatile and controllable. The = thing that I've not heard mention of in the reviews is the looper and i = wondered if anyone on the list has tried it and got to grips with it = yet? What I know is that the looper is a short 12 second mono one, that's = time can be halved and halved again. It has basic record/play/stop = footswitch control and you can adjust the start and end points. It seems = to respond to tap tempo, which I asume means that you can set a length = in bars/beats then tap the tempo in and it will be an acurate length. = Trouble is, in the manual other than a description of the controls, = there's no deeper explanation . So, I wonder about how people find the looper in the Timefactor...=20 -how easy it is to set up and use live,=20 -if you can preset the loop length and save it as a programme - so = having a 4bar loop, a 2bar one, a longer one at half speed, etc.? -Whether creating and working with a loop requires knob turning, or if = these things can be preset - or even given over to a foot pedal? I also like the idea of being able to have 3 seperate footswitches = connected to save mutiple functions! Anyone got one and using it? Thanks. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C8020B.BAC64170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank

    Hi, Back on the list againand good to be reading all the = postings.
     
    I think that I'm convinced enough to buy the (relatively) new = Eventide=20 TimeFactor stomp box, I've read all the reviews that I can find and = downloaded a=20 manual - i does look so versatile and controllable. The thing that I've = not=20 heard mention of in the reviews is the looper and i wondered if anyone = on the=20 list has tried it and got to grips with it yet?
     
    What I know is that the looper is a short 12 second mono one, = that's time=20 can be halved and halved again. It has basic record/play/stop footswitch = control=20 and you can adjust the start and end points. It seems to respond to tap = tempo,=20 which I asume means that you can set a length in bars/beats then tap the = tempo=20 in and it will be an acurate length. Trouble is, in the manual other = than a=20 description of the controls, there's no deeper explanation .
     
    So, I wonder about how people find the looper in the Timefactor... =
    -how easy it is to set up and use live,
    -if you can preset the loop length and save it as a programme - so = having a=20 4bar loop, a 2bar one, a longer one at half speed, etc.?
    -Whether creating and working with a loop requires knob turning, or = if=20 these things can be preset - or even given over to a foot pedal?
     
    I also like the idea of being able to have 3 seperate footswitches=20 connected to save mutiple functions!
     
    Anyone got one and using it?
     
    Thanks.
    Ian.
     

     

    ------=_NextPart_001_0009_01C8020B.BAC64170-- ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8020B.BAC64170 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <000701c80203$5901d970$6c052052@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C8020B.BAC64170-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:15:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D53543BF98; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:15:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: Boss DD-20 sos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:15:38 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000601c80203$f4259400$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgBdyE2OmRWlEPoR2CHJ91zXL/F0wAjB27A X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52juhRJ8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74980 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:15:13 +0000 (UTC) > and what about pitch shifting capabilities on the dd20? > non of the hardware loopers i have can affect picht... First of all, by "pitch shift" do you mean what DnB guys refer to as "pitching" (which I tend to call varispeed, i.e. you change playback speed and pitch changes accordingly) or as a pitch shift effect (pitch changes, playback speed stays the same)? The Repeater can do both. The DD20 can do neither of them. In fact, according to Per's chart (http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php), the Repeater is the only hardware device which offers full varispeed/pitch shift/timestretch control. There are a few devices which offer varispeed: the Digitech RDS/PDS series do this very nicely, a lot of HW loopers have halfspeed (EDP, DL4,...). But for the whole deal...only the Repeater From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:17:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA6F33BF8B; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <001501c80204$32d9fa10$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: "Loopers Delight" Subject: tc Electronic Nova Delay and reverb Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:17:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C8020C.948B4F40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74981 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:17:05 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C8020C.948B4F40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0012_01C8020C.948B4F40" ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C8020C.948B4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BlankHi again, Thought I'd keep this as a seperate post/thread. Also wondering if = anyone's got the Nova Delay (or reverb, but more interested in the = delay)? Again, I've read good reviews, but they're not terribly detailed so = wondering about things like, whether it has a hold function, whether you = can use external footswitches and/or an expression pedal? And, does it sound good and is it intuative to use. Ian. ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C8020C.948B4F40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Blank
    Hi again,
     
    Thought I'd keep this as a seperate post/thread. Also wondering if = anyone's=20 got the Nova Delay (or reverb, but more interested in the delay)?
     
    Again, I've read good reviews, but they're not terribly detailed so = wondering about things like, whether it has a hold function, whether you = can use=20 external footswitches and/or an expression pedal?

    And, does it sound good and is it intuative to use.

    Ian.

     

    ------=_NextPart_001_0012_01C8020C.948B4F40-- ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C8020C.948B4F40 Content-Type: image/gif; name="Blank Bkgrd.gif" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-ID: <001001c80204$32c6e740$6c052052@customer3530f5> R0lGODlhLQAtAID/AP////f39ywAAAAALQAtAEACcAxup8vtvxKQsFon6d02898pGkgiYoCm6sq2 7iqWcmzOsmeXeA7uPJd5CYdD2g9oPF58ygqz+XhCG9JpJGmlYrPXGlfr/Yo/VW45e7amp2tou/lW xo/zX513z+Vt+1n/tiX2pxP4NUhy2FM4xtjIUQAAOw== ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C8020C.948B4F40-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 38E4B3BFA3; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <46FD5546.1060505@imt.net> References: <20061204104256.c66udk5nnydrk8og@www.michaelplishka.com> <20280.167.83.10.20.1190916916.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <29965.167.83.10.20.1190917065.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> <46FD5546.1060505@imt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4FEBA9C6-8439-4F77-B497-BE41FE00A01C@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: (Kinda OT) Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 12:19:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74982 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:20:58 +0000 (UTC) The K5000 is GREAT! One of my more favorite members of my studio =20 family. Mine is the K5000s. Bought it a few years ago on the recommendation of a friend, right =20 after it first came out. One of the better investments I have made. For some(?) strange reason, Kawai quit making these incredible =20 instruments not all that long after they were first introduced. Go =20 figure...? But, my ARPs still rule the roost and the SCI Pro-one is another very =20= worthy member. (there are others as well...:-) ) -Rev. Fever On Sep 28, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Bob Weigel wrote: > You can get a lot of sound samples on my sounddoctorin.com SDstudio =20= > page and the global synth section of course has tons of helpful =20 > links including some with sound samples. For strings and misc. =20 > useful attributes and lots of patches available out there...I'd =20 > tend to steer someone towards a Kawai K5000 or Korg Karma if you =20 > have a little more. -Bob > > James Richmond wrote: > >> I've been collecting synths from the 80/90's- more because the =20 >> prices are in the $100-300 range and I like having a lot of options. >> >> Some good ones: >> >> Roland JV1080 with world and vintage cards. Excellent bread and =20 >> butter sounds, very flexible. >> Roland JD990 - great basses. >> Kurzweil K2000 (or K2k rack) - incredible sound engine, flakey =20 >> sequencer, wonderful fx engine. >> Yamaha SY 77/85/99 - Nice strings, fm synthesis engine (like a DX7 =20= >> on steroids). Skip the SY22. >> Quasimidi Sirius or Polymorph - More techno-oriented, great =20 >> filters, Polymorph has a great interface, sirius has a nice vocoder. >> >> You could buy ALL of these synths on the secondhand market for =20 >> what you would pay for a new ROMpler synth, although Quasimidi's =20 >> are starting to increase in value. >> There are some incredible bargains going in hardware synthesis =20 >> right now. >> These synths were in the $1-2k range on release but are worth =20 >> almost nothing on the secondhand market now everyone is going =20 >> softsynthy. I have no prejudice against soft synths- I have loads =20 >> of them but there is something great about hardware. >> >> Try to find a used Roland JP8000 - they came out around =A31500- =20 >> Bought mine in Switzerland for 600 chf (about $500) and they kick =20 >> ass. >> Incredible strings, amazing basses, decent fx (although not as =20 >> flexible as kurzweil)- you really should check one out. >> Check ebay- if in the US try checking ebay Germany- there are =20 >> always a lot of bargains on ebay Germany (I guess due to economy =20 >> being a bit screwy). You can easily convert a 230v power supply to =20= >> a 110v one with one simple solder join on the PCB. Takes 5 mins. >> >> Regards, >> Jim Richmond >> >> On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mike@michaelplishka.com =20 >> wrote: >> >>> Am looking for a keyboard for the studio-good strings are a plus =20 >>> as well >>> >>> as cool World Music sounds. Been looking at the Korg stuff: X50 =20 >>> and TR61. >>> >>> I can get decent deals on both-one being new the other slightly =20 >>> used. >>> >>> >>> Any thoughts on these or others? >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> Plish >>> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:24:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 19B373BFA7; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: completely OT: spare ticket for "Zappa plays Zappa" concert 9-30 in Munich/Germany Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:25:09 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000a01c80205$487f1840$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgCBUhaSPTT+qqkQX62zZuonQ1TAg== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52juhRJ8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74983 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Sorry for the completely OT: By a strange turn of fate, I plus one landed on the guest list for = Dweezil Zappa's "Zappa plays Zappa" concert this Sunday at Circus Krone, = M=C3=BCnchen, Germany. Sale price is something close to =E2=82=AC60... So if you're a cool looper, would be interested in hearing this (on the = lineup is also "The assistant Illinois Enema Bandit" Ray White) and = happen to be in the area - drop me a line. What I want in return? A copy = of your latest CD. Thanks and sorry again, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:27:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1F9E03BFB1; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:27:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FD559A.9060107@mhorse.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:27:22 -0500 From: Daryl Shawn User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.13 (Windows/20070809) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos References: <20070928191706.270CC3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> In-Reply-To: <20070928191706.270CC3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74984 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:27:41 +0000 (UTC) ROFLOL but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html Daryl Shawn www.swanwelder.com www.chinapaintingmusic.com > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 19:52:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B8BB73BFAA; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: midifriedchicken@comcast.net To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:52:32 +0000 Message-Id: <092820071952.21010.46FD5B8000001E63000052122212020784020A050C07080C0B0A079D00070B0703@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWlkaWZyaWVkY2hpY2tlbkBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21010_1191009152_0" Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74985 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:52:34 +0000 (UTC) --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21010_1191009152_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Im digging their "Punk Basses" -------------- Original message -------------- From: Daryl Shawn > ROFLOL > > but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars? > --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21010_1191009152_0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
    Im digging their "Punk Basses"
     
    -------------- Original message --------------
    From: Daryl Shawn <highhorse@mhorse.com>

    > ROFLOL
    >
    > but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html
    >
    > Daryl Shawn
    > www.swanwelder.com
    > www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    > > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars?
    >
    --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_21010_1191009152_0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 20:08:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 351173BFA6; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Keyboards (Sometimes Studio sometimes live) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:09:21 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000e01c8020b$75956540$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <4FEBA9C6-8439-4F77-B497-BE41FE00A01C@ubergadget.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgCBLKflUQ2hln6SemKyOw6Ya+1awABf1IQ X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OId52juhRJ8= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74986 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 20:08:57 +0000 (UTC) > Jim said: > I've been collecting synths from the 80/90's- more because the prices > are in the $100-300 range and I like having a lot of options. > > Some good ones: > > Kurzweil K2000 (or K2k rack) - incredible sound engine, flakey I always longed for one of those, but for some reason never got 'round to actually buying one. > Yamaha SY 77/85/99 - Nice strings, fm synthesis engine I got a SY85, and really like it for its "percussive electric keybord" (electric piano, clavinet etc.) sounds - but for a few other sounds as well. It also got the possibility to add sample RAM (if you still find some SIMM memory modules and then still have a diskette drive in your computer to copy samples to it). > Quasimidi Sirius or Polymorph - More techno-oriented, I have a Sirius and it's really great for harsh elektro/techno sounds. It's also got a very intuitive pattern sequencer and lots of knobs to turn. For that period of keyboard design - do you also have a Korg Wavestation. I have a Wavestation KEX, and it's great for these evolving ambient pads. It forms the keyboard center of my hardware setup, together with a Waldorf Q (old series) - which I can really recommend! Great keyboard, close to 60 knobs, dimmed LEDs to indicate the period of the LFOs, and a case in aggressive yellow! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 21:04:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 61E163BF9A; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=9PP+j8tbZyG3OgJmXyHQmlkTDZxByjtooe5gu+E38dQ=; b=Bpq8T3ecSHIsoivYssGNpFoZ4pm+7P91oTlOxPzDWp0ExVmRqb6FT2N2IgY2/cUzM7iWkPApWnrcO1jOIw2EWX4D4qpNp+Va4GfFAKp/de92gD60Q8eELSgOZIyUryM3Kdq7W/LbIhnwrO3N6nCPqDZdm+fnrCJS1gwp6ZDaEaE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=kZOGNeM98oUGkMbP4q+U5t3ginx4ux0mzDnynLeLkG0hi1RdB86bhox0pDVcJoqiwSUaTDvTDnJlgDGid5fep8sYULq6cfHZMzzot8RAbZu+pDWhWj1mmA1zBgtQg/APQ/Faw3FYT8+ZWPlXQumXgydBnHNp7QvukNh1T4o7j2c= In-Reply-To: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6F4DAB3B-E031-46F9-9A53-0187CA5B3361@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: pre recorded talking between live played songs Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 23:04:39 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74987 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Hi Guys, Since we discussed the use of "canned" audio on stage the other week I'd like to notify you on EWI-ist Paul Kerry that plays live but does run pre recorded small-talk to the audience between his songs. Funny and genius "backwards" concept! :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWto6cm2ZkM&NR=1 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Fri Sep 28 21:07:04 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BEF0F3BF96; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <40494.167.83.10.20.1191013614.squirrel@www.michaelplishka.com> In-Reply-To: <6F4DAB3B-E031-46F9-9A53-0187CA5B3361@gmail.com> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <6F4DAB3B-E031-46F9-9A53-0187CA5B3361@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: pre recorded talking between live played songs From: mike@michaelplishka.com To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.9a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server316.tchmachines.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - loopers-delight.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32166 32167] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - michaelplishka.com Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74988 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:07:04 +0000 (UTC) BRILLIANT!!!! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT!!!! > Hi Guys, > > Since we discussed the use of "canned" audio on stage the other week > I'd like to notify you on EWI-ist Paul Kerry that plays live but does > run pre recorded small-talk to the audience between his songs. Funny > and genius "backwards" concept! :-) > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWto6cm2ZkM&NR=1 > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 02:13:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 638223BF9E; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:13:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=na43MHsF4ww6vc7MksFXKh2PCchiEnozTztdFPj/4GA=; b=PfIhH8bXbCd20NAkPXxM20sBEBXsQq+6PXZrrlMw3nf5nu1e8HUprW7EBqdCCHX+rlBbSU7QC+/8yzFIjxn8vB6XxPq7MN5jwgXjmhpeNcz0uSi9xrSGcgjgkbNbo3+Ap8T1aJdxwUqAbw8Dze2oHhdno0OwoKB5M66ihIPdJqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=pox3d11GwasE2cF77IMMannMQBmr7Be/IfzGk+7wkK5hnK5Kj5zkM097f3Ox31aTZayWmknDtf30FQXLth80wJAjlYadC95q8SiUwY4kB4BUJ8bqgpxsaoBVoOyPWz5fd/FRCWAu5hlnxnIPd1NeT8YPmf8dV4QzhnV9weRmhJM= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:13:07 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Boss DD-20 sos In-Reply-To: <000601c80203$f4259400$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3390_15190290.1191031987441" References: <000601c80203$f4259400$1001a8c0@succubus> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74989 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:13:10 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3390_15190290.1191031987441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks rainer, lazy me. afterwards i read the LD review about the DD20, and there it was clear that it couldn't do either. anybody wants to sell me his PDS/RDS? ;-) thanks! ra=FCl. 2007/9/28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill : > > > and what about pitch shifting capabilities on the dd20? > > non of the hardware loopers i have can affect picht... > > First of all, by "pitch shift" do you mean what DnB guys refer to as > "pitching" (which I tend to call varispeed, i.e. you change playback spee= d > and pitch changes accordingly) or as a pitch shift effect (pitch changes, > playback speed stays the same)? > > The Repeater can do both. The DD20 can do neither of them. In fact, > according to Per's chart (http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php), the > Repeater is the only hardware device which offers full varispeed/pitch > shift/timestretch control. > > There are a few devices which offer varispeed: the Digitech RDS/PDS serie= s > do this very nicely, a lot of HW loopers have halfspeed (EDP, DL4,...). > But > for the whole deal...only the Repeater > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3390_15190290.1191031987441 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline thanks rainer,

    lazy me. afterwards i read the LD review about the DD= 20,
    and there it was clear that it couldn't do either.

    anybod= y wants to sell me his PDS/RDS? ;-)

    thanks!
    ra=FCl.


    2007/9/28, Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschil= l <rs@moinlabs.de>: >       and what about pitch shifting capa= bilities on the dd20?
    >       non of th= e hardware loopers i have can affect picht...

    First of all, by "= ;pitch shift" do you mean what DnB guys refer to as
    "pitching" (which I tend to call varispeed, i.e. you change p= layback speed
    and pitch changes accordingly) or as a pitch shift effect = (pitch changes,
    playback speed stays the same)?

    The Repeater can = do both. The DD20 can do neither of them. In fact,
    according to Per's chart (http://www.looproom.com/looperchart.php), the
    Repeater is= the only hardware device which offers full varispeed/pitch
    shift/timest= retch control.

    There are a few devices which offer varispeed: the Digitech RDS/PDS= series
    do this very nicely, a lot of HW loopers have halfspeed (EDP, DL= 4,...). But
    for the whole deal...only the Repeater




    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpoChain Tape Collective: http://www= .ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3390_15190290.1191031987441-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 02:27:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4B75B3BFA1; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=oTIA+Gnx4z4577Js+fedBlNka4JkU7aZzk0L29b0xYA=; b=imYWgEzF2Y4stA3mzGOPgOeruumBlavSJ93wTetTw/JJ3KzJh/+qfiBFyG/Txbmhg9bq+a/kxLeLxBDDIZsTw32DQf5PTQS6YWv7h65SoJyDxCk9snYkGAiy93BxLuqQRai/4LcmPuVlEWOoKUcCEJNDuiLuUMXpkDwztQBgL3Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=eXjEagXzItX83INHCicDgPSVnYwH/MfJdS++vgkCEQuw3soAWq3MxJWgk8LOIMivVNtEpBUevXcWT0xEDU9qQuem2BYWHeJp1eWvL/ISivq5Cc7olqqgPRt0f60/CN7ryl4no8zmEU+b0YfyJAT4LIY7gJE4sZZDdK1VZaK2lqU= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:27:06 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos In-Reply-To: <46FD559A.9060107@mhorse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3415_24249072.1191032826435" References: <20070928191706.270CC3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46FD559A.9060107@mhorse.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74990 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:27:09 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3415_24249072.1191032826435 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline does somebody own any instrument by these freaks? i'd like to know more... looks like real crap!...delicious any recordings done? raul. 2007/9/28, Daryl Shawn : > > ROFLOL > > but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars? > > -- The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3415_24249072.1191032826435 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline does somebody own any instrument by these freaks?
    i'd like to know more... looks like real crap!...delicious
    any recordings done?

    raul.

    2007/9/28, Daryl Shawn < highhorse@mhorse.com>:
    ROFLOL

    but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    www.chinapaintingmusic.com
    > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars?




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    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3415_24249072.1191032826435-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 02:39:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D3F563BF86; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:39:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070928191706.270CC3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46FD559A.9060107@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-125491570 Message-Id: <3E7D26E2-D07E-41A6-9BF5-A9CF852AA90D@jamesrichmond.com> From: James Richmond Subject: Re: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:39:32 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <1FYFhC.A.ITD.nrb_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74991 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:39:35 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-15-125491570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Call me a bluff old traditionalist but I cannot picture myself playing a "krappy" guitar. I'm waiting for them to do a Mr Hanky signature model. On Sep 28, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > does somebody own any instrument by these freaks? > i'd like to know more... looks like real crap!...delicious > any recordings done? > > raul. --Apple-Mail-15-125491570 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Call me a bluff old = traditionalist but I cannot picture myself playing a "krappy" = guitar.

    I'm waiting = for them to do a Mr Hanky=A0signature model.

    On = Sep 28, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

    does somebody own = any instrument by these freaks?
    i'd like to know more... looks like = real crap!...delicious
    any recordings = done?

    raul.

    = --Apple-Mail-15-125491570-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 02:46:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 45A823BF9E; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=iNizQjHy3LVC0R/FxeVWvREyv+Olg5EQ8WRJTPgzsbw=; b=Cssr8NwlnKsUUY0j71Sb7UyEDcDErv+t16DoUmRgD+C4zjbgShkHUMoMxVjpm+rjJDom/9ocP4bt+gumPG6CnUB5FtqrjoD3yvZ4L2O+PpYoMXxdn54lmEiE6ktr9Nqp/LY6x4SRWu/ldXwOL+RFvPDtV0upG470ZqenfQ9m2Us= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=RMbUgb2WPcDdpSftkAc6cKIXCpMjOigMr8BH4no9oa/EZpxU/CgcrxOvTzoHW4OcxtZkzJlod8+7x5MNoNx27r/tThLj5KC2mgxmyp42ALTxjVawB6ZSN4hEdqGx35HkgaJ5ftCNMUQXsw80iyLajRZEhv/gO8g9jHf8g1u+tzE= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:46:54 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos In-Reply-To: <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3434_27350346.1191034014114" References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> Resent-Message-ID: <5BVNdD.A.H3E.gyb_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74992 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:46:57 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_3434_27350346.1191034014114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi qua, sorry qua. 2007/9/28, Qua Veda : > > Hey Raul, > > Its fine if you don't like the Stick, but I have to disagree with you, > the Stick is capable of a great range of tones and dynamics. > true. not ofense intended. anyway, you may? agree with me that the fast attack on the stick is louded up by the electronics of the instrument, since it's not present on regular basses or guitars. and i think i misunderstood per's "clear" by "clean", and also i ended up using the verb "bear" which it seems to have a different/harder meaning than i thought. excuse my rude english! any way to get a digest-translated-into-catalonian version of the LD mailinglist?... ;-) ra=FCl. p.s. 6 million people and our mother tongue continues disappearing... i can think of other small european countries in the baltic with a million or two people and have their own official language. why can't we? arrgggggggh... c.is.not.s -Qua > > > > *From:* Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM > *To:* Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com > *Subject:* Re: Stick looping videos > > > > > > hi per > > > > the clear tone > > > this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick, > since the pickups are designed specially for them and add > some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the > first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! > somebody). > > and > the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the > flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. > I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new > instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you > can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing > plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_3434_27350346.1191034014114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline hi qua,

    sorry qua.

    2007/9/28= , Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com>:

    Hey Raul,

    Its fine if yo= u don't like the Stick,  but  I have to disagree with you,   the Stick is capable of a great range of tones  = and dynamics.


    true. not ofense = intended.
    anyway, you may? agree with me that the fast attack
    on the= stick is louded up by the electronics of the
    instrument, since it's not present on regular basses or guitars.and i think i misunderstood per's "clear" by "clean&quo= t;, and also
    i ended up using the verb "bear" which it seems t= o have a different/harder
    meaning than i thought.

    excuse my rude english!

    any way = to get a digest-translated-into-catalonian version
    of the LD mailinglist= ?... ;-)

    ra=FCl.

    p.s.

    6 million people and our mother = tongue
    continues disappearing...

    i can think of other small european c= ountries
    in the baltic with a million or two people and have their
    ow= n official language. why can't we?

    arrgggggggh... c.is.not.s

    -Qua

     <= /p>

    From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com= ]
    Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM
    To: Loopers-D= elight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Stick looping videos

     



     hi per

     

    the clear tone


    this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick,
    since the pickups are designed specially for them and add
    some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the
    first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody).

    and
    the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years.
    I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new
    instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you
    can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing
    plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)





    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http:= //www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.= ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http= ://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra




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    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra<= /a> ------=_Part_3434_27350346.1191034014114-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 04:23:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E16E83BFA4; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709290423.l8T4NMOr014695@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> From: "list2" To: Subject: RE: Nova Delay questions Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:20:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcgCQwkrpLd3k4BFSh+SR5UorSynBgACQXUg In-Reply-To: <20070929024657.DAA0E3BFAB@arsenic.violacea.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74993 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:23:23 +0000 (UTC) <> I picked up one of these the day it released, so I've been getting to know it for a while. To answer your specific questions: -There's not a hold function per se. You can set the feedback knob so you're kind of dancing just below the runaway point, but it's not a button tap sort of procedure. -No provision for external switches or expression pedals. -I love the way it sounds. You can choose different delay styles (straight delay line, 2290 dynamic, Reverse, pingpong, pan, or slap-back); 6 different subdivisions settings; and one of four levels of modulation on repeats (including none). What I really like best of all is the range of options when choosing the "color" of your delay. You can choose clean digital delay, analog, tape, or anywhere in between. It's a knob selector rather than a switch, so you can find that spot anywhere on the spectrum that gives you what you're looking for. I won't try to say how well it emulates tape or analog delays. But I can say that I love the way it sounds. In fact, I already did. -It is very easy to use. The only aspect of the box that isn't totally intuitive is the Delay knob. I'm used to delays where you turn the knob to find your delay time and then you leave it. On the Nova, if the knob is at 12 o'clock, the delay time stays where you've set it. Turn the knob counterclockwise and the delay time starts to decrease and will keep decreasing until you turn the knob back to the 12 o'clock detent. Turn the knob clockwise and delay time will increase until you return to 12. The further you turn the knob, the quicker the increase or decrease. -Two other excellent features: 1) The nice big display that gives you your delay times in ms or BPM as well as settings for the other parameters. 2) If you hold down the tap tempo switch the box mutes and will read your strumming or picking to get the tempo. I find it much easier than tapping while playing in the heat of the moment, but for those of you with better coordination, plain old tempo tapping is also available. The only fly in the ointment was when I first hooked up the pedal in my amp's effects loop with cheap cables to try it out and it was pretty noisy. Afraid there might be a problem, I hooked it up to an aux loop on my board and it was dead quiet. Knowing the box itself was alright I hooked it back into the guitar rig with George Ls and we've been living happily ever after. I'd been hunting for several weeks for an easy to use, flexible delay pedal and the Nova is perfect for me. If you have any other questions, I'll be glad to try to answer them. hoby From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 04:25:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 374073BFA9; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:25:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Stick looping videos Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 21:26:02 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c80250$d8fe68d0$8afb3a70$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C80216.2C9F90D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgCREUTloBRn/20TliCgHtAZlOm6AACxQGg Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: Dd5bb0cb40000e343.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74994 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:25:15 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C80216.2C9F90D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Raul, No offense taken, no problem at all. I believe that the qualities of = the fast attack you refer to are due partly to the very low action (strings = are as little as 1mm above the frets) which allows for subtle or very = dynamic tapping. And of course the strings are tapped against the frets , so = metal on metal. On the other hand, if you can pluck a bass Stick string = with your thumb and then it sounds very much like a bass guitar. The string tension on a Stick is much lower than on a bass guitar and this also contributes to the sound. There are a few choices in pickups, which of course are designed to work well with the Stick, but I feel its not the pickups so much as many other factors that give the Stick its sound. =20 =20 -Qua =20 From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:47 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos =20 hi qua, sorry qua. 2007/9/28, Qua Veda : Hey Raul,=20 Its fine if you don't like the Stick, but I have to disagree with you, the Stick is capable of a great range of tones and dynamics. true. not ofense intended.=20 anyway, you may? agree with me that the fast attack on the stick is louded up by the electronics of the=20 instrument, since it's not present on regular basses or guitars. and i think i misunderstood per's "clear" by "clean", and also i ended up using the verb "bear" which it seems to have a = different/harder=20 meaning than i thought.=20 excuse my rude english! any way to get a digest-translated-into-catalonian version of the LD mailinglist?... ;-) ra=FCl. p.s. 6 million people and our mother tongue=20 continues disappearing...=20 i can think of other small european countries in the baltic with a million or two people and have their own official language. why can't we? arrgggggggh... c.is.not.s=20 =20 -Qua=20 =20 From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Stick looping videos =20 hi per =20 the clear tone this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick,=20 since the pickups are designed specially for them and add some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody). and the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years.=20 I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option.=20 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com=20 TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C80216.2C9F90D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Raul,

    No offense taken, no problem at all. =A0I=A0 believe that = the qualities of the fast attack you refer to are due partly to the very low = action (strings are as little as 1mm above the frets) which allows for subtle = or very dynamic tapping. =A0=A0And of course the strings are tapped against the = frets , so metal on metal. =A0=A0=A0On the other hand, if you can pluck a bass = Stick string with your thumb and then it sounds very much like a bass guitar.=A0 =A0The = string tension on a Stick is much lower than on a bass guitar and this also contributes to the sound. =A0There are a few choices in pickups, which = of course are designed to work well with the Stick, but I feel its not the pickups = so much as many other factors that give the Stick its sound.=A0=A0 =

     

    -Qua

     

    From:= Raul = Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]
    Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:47 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Stick looping videos

     

    hi qua,

    sorry qua.

    2007/9/28, Qua Veda <qua@oregon.com>:<= /p>

    Hey Raul, =

    Its fine if you don't = like the Stick,  but  I have to disagree with you,   the = Stick is capable of a great range of tones  and = dynamics.


    true. not ofense intended.
    anyway, you may? agree with me that the fast attack
    on the stick is louded up by the electronics of the
    instrument, since it's not present on regular basses or guitars.
    and i think i misunderstood per's "clear" by = "clean", and also
    i ended up using the verb "bear" which it seems to have a different/harder
    meaning than i thought.

    excuse my rude english!

    any way to get a digest-translated-into-catalonian version
    of the LD mailinglist?... ;-)

    ra=FCl.

    p.s.

    6 million people and our mother tongue
    continues disappearing...

    i can think of other small european countries
    in the baltic with a million or two people and have their
    own official language. why can't we?

    arrgggggggh... c.is.not.s

     

    -Qua =

     

    From: Raul Bonell [mailto:raul.bonell@gmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 3:01 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: Re: Stick looping videos

     



     hi per

     

    the clear tone


    this is far from being true regarding the sound of a stick,
    since the pickups are designed specially for them and add
    some punchy sound (nice for funky) that everybody loves the
    first days, weeks,... but after some months nobody can bear it (o.k.! somebody).

    and
    the polytonal character. So far I'm still quite happy with using the
    flute as the main instrument, after having played it for three years. =
    I think I'll stick to flute in the future, even when learning new
    instruments. I kind of like the flute too for looping, because you
    can do a lot of non-tonal sounds with your mouth besides playing
    plain notes. Not many other instrument offers that option.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se = (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)





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    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra =




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    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.co= m/theplayingorchestra

    ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C80216.2C9F90D0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 07:07:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFEBD3BFB1; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=bQ99EyNgVnArNaRIITSLbKqK8dqqmtVPOgUm4QcLD6Y9Z0fx4ERfvmMYB8nNi6pO/bX8aPifUnjebvSN+eAc4emxXCsZ3jVRd26Urnont8n26/ShUvuTUMXWHzIddtw20xGSYr8pgpXHUmaT4pOq1L3pcPULhC4SiWjANWjKrZc=; X-YMail-OSG: uRR5KpUVM1lLWAoL4cBrXr11cGA0BgO.mbJ.byS83sKqSMy43AByBsLWsqDto877Mj.gb0Kf_mTtXTrTi3BA._gbRya8uiDkjqGKL6rOyh6g7C5Ov3A- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:07:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Eventide Timefactor To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000c01c80203$592a4900$6c052052@customer3530f5> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1519617322-1191049651=:58182" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <863029.58182.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74995 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:07:32 +0000 (UTC) --0-1519617322-1191049651=:58182 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Id: Content-Disposition: inline Hey Ian, Ive been looking for the manual of the eventide and all i find is the promo brochure can u give us a link? --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > BlankHi, Back on the list againand good to be > reading all the postings. > > I think that I'm convinced enough to buy the > (relatively) new Eventide TimeFactor stomp box, I've > read all the reviews that I can find and downloaded > a manual - i does look so versatile and > controllable. The thing that I've not heard mention > of in the reviews is the looper and i wondered if > anyone on the list has tried it and got to grips > with it yet? > > What I know is that the looper is a short 12 second > mono one, that's time can be halved and halved > again. It has basic record/play/stop footswitch > control and you can adjust the start and end points. > It seems to respond to tap tempo, which I asume > means that you can set a length in bars/beats then > tap the tempo in and it will be an acurate length. > Trouble is, in the manual other than a description > of the controls, there's no deeper explanation . > > So, I wonder about how people find the looper in the > Timefactor... > -how easy it is to set up and use live, > -if you can preset the loop length and save it as a > programme - so having a 4bar loop, a 2bar one, a > longer one at half speed, etc.? > -Whether creating and working with a loop requires > knob turning, or if these things can be preset - or > even given over to a foot pedal? > > I also like the idea of being able to have 3 > seperate footswitches connected to save mutiple > functions! > > Anyone got one and using it? > > Thanks. > Ian. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC --0-1519617322-1191049651=:58182-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 07:45:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0D4853BFB7; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007001c8026c$a88919e0$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> From: "Rick Walker" To: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" , "LOOPERS DELIGHT (posting)" References: <000a01c80205$487f1840$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: completely OT: spare ticket for "Zappa plays Zappa" concert 9-30 in Munich/Germany Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:45:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74996 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:45:07 +0000 (UTC) Rainer wrote: "So if you're a cool looper, would be interested in hearing this (on the lineup is also "The assistant Illinois Enema Bandit" Ray White) and happen to be in the area - drop me a line. What I want in return? A copy of your latest CD." Oh, Rainer, I saw Zappa with my brother, Bill in the mid 70's doing all instrumental music with Jean Luc Ponty on violin, George Duke on Keyboards, Terry Bozio (I think but am not sure) on Drums, Ruth Underwood on vibes and Bruce Fowler on electric trombone (playing all the bass guitar parts with no bassist) and that great early vocalist they had whose name escapes me now. Ian Underwood was in the band too but I forget what instrument he played. What an amazing show. They actually got booed off the stage as they were opening for some headliner who I can't remember any more. Bruce Fowler contemtuously walked to the front of the stage as the band walked off and held his trombone slide straight in the air and then turned it upside down and what looked like a quart of spit came out on the first rows of booing rock fans. It was awesome!!!!!! It was an incendiary performance and Zappa was playing his fucking ass off. I remember he had a cigarette lit the whole time and it was always sending a straight line of smoke up into the concert the whole time. He seemed so cool and detached while he played. I realized that I had never understood what a great guitarist he was until that night. I mostly new him from his comedic rock (which to be frank, I wasn't very fond of). Bill, if you are reading this , do you remember who he was opening for and what venue it was? Also, was it Bozio on traps...........I didn't know a lot of those people in those days I so wish I had a lot of money, Rainer. I'd bring you my whole discography for a chance to go see that show with you. Have fun, yours, Rick From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 07:50:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 062463BFB6; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c8026d$73f472f0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <000a01c80205$487f1840$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: completely OT: spare ticket for "Zappa plays Zappa" concert 9-30 in Munich/Germany Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18M9sMfk5LYtWzdOZ8/3uXI7x52shPIlQlBUJQ 56bvx8yJsL91nJc6An6KOETDQLJxVMECw1rWYYWT6nUFTNFgzU LsUPZ/Tl3oB/f5jaxBcmOJxhIT63NVt Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74997 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 07:50:14 +0000 (UTC) HOW VERY SWEET AND KIND OF YOU! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: completely OT: spare ticket for "Zappa plays Zappa" concert 9-30 in Munich/Germany Sorry for the completely OT: By a strange turn of fate, I plus one landed on the guest list for Dweezil Zappa's "Zappa plays Zappa" concert this Sunday at Circus Krone, München, Germany. Sale price is something close to €60... So if you're a cool looper, would be interested in hearing this (on the lineup is also "The assistant Illinois Enema Bandit" Ray White) and happen to be in the area - drop me a line. What I want in return? A copy of your latest CD. Thanks and sorry again, Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 08:55:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8E5783BFA7; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000301c80276$767a4460$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <200709290423.l8T4NMOr014695@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> Subject: Re: Nova Delay questions Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:55:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74998 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Thanks Hoby. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "list2" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 5:20 AM Subject: RE: Nova Delay questions > < anyone's got the Nova Delay (or reverb, but more interested in the = > delay)? > > Again, I've read good reviews, but they're not terribly detailed so = > wondering about things like, whether it has a hold function, whether you = > can use external footswitches and/or an expression pedal? > And, does it sound good and is it intuative to use.>> > > I picked up one of these the day it released, so I've been getting to know > it for a while. > > To answer your specific questions: > > -There's not a hold function per se. You can set the feedback knob so > you're > kind of dancing just below the runaway point, but it's not a button tap > sort > of procedure. > > -No provision for external switches or expression pedals. > > -I love the way it sounds. You can choose different delay styles (straight > delay line, 2290 dynamic, Reverse, pingpong, pan, or slap-back); 6 > different > subdivisions settings; and one of four levels of modulation on repeats > (including none). What I really like best of all is the range of options > when choosing the "color" of your delay. You can choose clean digital > delay, > analog, tape, or anywhere in between. It's a knob selector rather than a > switch, so you can find that spot anywhere on the spectrum that gives you > what you're looking for. I won't try to say how well it emulates tape or > analog delays. But I can say that I love the way it sounds. In fact, I > already did. > > -It is very easy to use. The only aspect of the box that isn't totally > intuitive is the Delay knob. I'm used to delays where you turn the knob to > find your delay time and then you leave it. On the Nova, if the knob is at > 12 o'clock, the delay time stays where you've set it. Turn the knob > counterclockwise and the delay time starts to decrease and will keep > decreasing until you turn the knob back to the 12 o'clock detent. Turn the > knob clockwise and delay time will increase until you return to 12. The > further you turn the knob, the quicker the increase or decrease. > > -Two other excellent features: > > 1) The nice big display that gives you your delay times in ms or BPM as > well > as settings for the other parameters. > > 2) If you hold down the tap tempo switch the box mutes and will read your > strumming or picking to get the tempo. I find it much easier than tapping > while playing in the heat of the moment, but for those of you with better > coordination, plain old tempo tapping is also available. > > The only fly in the ointment was when I first hooked up the pedal in my > amp's effects loop with cheap cables to try it out and it was pretty > noisy. > Afraid there might be a problem, I hooked it up to an aux loop on my board > and it was dead quiet. Knowing the box itself was alright I hooked it back > into the guitar rig with George Ls and we've been living happily ever > after. > > I'd been hunting for several weeks for an easy to use, flexible delay > pedal > and the Nova is perfect for me. If you have any other questions, I'll be > glad to try to answer them. > > hoby > > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 09:20:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B9F9F3BFB1; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000901c8027a$17a89910$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <863029.58182.qm@web38602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Eventide Timefactor Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 10:21:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/74999 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Hi, Here it is www.eventidestompboxes.com/TimeFactor_Manual.pdf - I googled "eventide timefactor manual" and on the second page it comes up. Ian. ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" To: Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 8:07 AM Subject: Re: Eventide Timefactor Hey Ian, Ive been looking for the manual of the eventide and all i find is the promo brochure can u give us a link? --- Ian Popperwell wrote: > BlankHi, Back on the list againand good to be > reading all the postings. > > I think that I'm convinced enough to buy the > (relatively) new Eventide TimeFactor stomp box, I've > read all the reviews that I can find and downloaded > a manual - i does look so versatile and > controllable. The thing that I've not heard mention > of in the reviews is the looper and i wondered if > anyone on the list has tried it and got to grips > with it yet? > > What I know is that the looper is a short 12 second > mono one, that's time can be halved and halved > again. It has basic record/play/stop footswitch > control and you can adjust the start and end points. > It seems to respond to tap tempo, which I asume > means that you can set a length in bars/beats then > tap the tempo in and it will be an acurate length. > Trouble is, in the manual other than a description > of the controls, there's no deeper explanation . > > So, I wonder about how people find the looper in the > Timefactor... > -how easy it is to set up and use live, > -if you can preset the loop length and save it as a > programme - so having a 4bar loop, a 2bar one, a > longer one at half speed, etc.? > -Whether creating and working with a loop requires > knob turning, or if these things can be preset - or > even given over to a foot pedal? > > I also like the idea of being able to have 3 > seperate footswitches connected to save mutiple > functions! > > Anyone got one and using it? > > Thanks. > Ian. > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 09:31:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4863F3BFB7; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=JtQoaZr+TnXowPyV8DbPs728W0LPCTK6oHdncqUKcN8=; b=N2GvivqxiW8ACtPrf3roE/hzyOLTDIUK1Av3Iv5HHFsc3luUqsbaWezd5rx0j18iNphp5XC1i9Ny3LQI3eO+k9y7Bp3tfQhdcrD/s0FTenANA+VVRd9Yt2I7dmbsHaDHj9FxhXlZ2VQokz2lw8A6/Nxcb7sNzuna/hiNeUrYc/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=KkYpO0TRFDNakS6hYX6dmnUUhewSHTzhyeVxnixPWS6e0m02hoF215opxxdfNuh80p4c9121AH6u/pc3id3+ShkL05b0Mv6lMH4yZIkSE8KB4wQQGYRc6N6fb8YnADbcrNYq5Fgn0xP+E2Ja44uNMtPH5kEYdy1htW/7XP1atPo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:31:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7gfWuC.A.a0.mth_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75000 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:31:18 +0000 (UTC) On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: > 6 million people and our mother tongue > continues disappearing... Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together with English as the common dominator. In my little country of birth we're only some nine million people, but since a decade even journalists on the national level media channels "speak English" but with Swedish words. I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories from English instead of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon first happened here three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to borrow from French and even speak French instead of Swedish. But this time it's happening at all levels of the society and that's why I believe it won't stop until every person on the globe speaks Pidgin English, Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add. I do welcome this linguistic evolution. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 11:34:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E706C3BF91; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: New TC Konnekt announced Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:34:23 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <002001c8028c$af061eb0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgCjK6+gj5WR0vaTkWgIhu2o8AWQg== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJVmZpfIaA= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75001 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:34:00 +0000 (UTC) See this: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/TC-Electronic-Studio-Konnekt.html It seems, TC has attacked the same price and form factor (and approximately feature set) region of the RME FF800. Things the TC has over the Fireface: DSP effects (Two Fabrik C Channel Strips, one Fabrik R Reverb), remote control. It seems more targeted at the project studio customer base, not at us live playing people. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 12:10:57 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3CC643BFBF; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:10:57 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <20070928191706.270CC3BF9F@arsenic.violacea.com> <46FD559A.9060107@mhorse.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-159753988 Message-Id: <3B39C631-E9C2-4863-BAE8-FB596EE1C72B@mac.com> From: Chuck Silva Subject: Reason 4 Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:10:35 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75002 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:10:57 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-159753988 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hello everyone. I love love love this forum. I'm learning so much from this sophisticated community. I'm new to this forum and music technology. I'm an accomplished guitarist-I'm not sure if thats good or bad-I want to keep my mind open and free. Has anyone purchased or upgraded to Reason 4? And if so what are your thoughts? Is it even worthy of discussion on this forum?:-) Chuck Silva DetROIT USA On Sep 28, 2007, at 10:27 PM, Raul Bonell wrote: > does somebody own any instrument by these freaks? > i'd like to know more... looks like real crap!...delicious > any recordings done? > > raul. > > 2007/9/28, Daryl Shawn < highhorse@mhorse.com>: > ROFLOL > > but...http://www.krappyguitars.com/touchstyle.html > > Daryl Shawn > www.swanwelder.com > www.chinapaintingmusic.com > > Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars? > > > > > -- > The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo > Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com > TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra --Apple-Mail-1-159753988 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello everyone.

    I love love love this = forum. I'm learning so much from this=A0sophisticated=A0community.
    I'm new to this forum and = music=A0technology.=A0 I'm an accomplished guitarist-I'm not sure if = thats good or bad-I want to keep my mind open and free.

    =A0Has anyone=A0purchased = or upgraded to Reason 4? And if so what are your thoughts? Is it=A0even = worthy of discussion on=A0this forum?:-)

    Chuck Silva=A0 DetROIT = USA





    On Sep 28, = 2007, at 10:27 PM, Raul Bonell wrote:

    does = somebody own any instrument by these freaks?
    i'd like to know more... = looks like real crap!...delicious
    any recordings = done?

    raul.

    2007/9/28, = Daryl Shawn < = highhorse@mhorse.com>:
    ROFLOL

    but...http://www.krappyguitars.co= m/touchstyle.html

    Daryl Shawn
    www.swanwelder.com
    www.chinapaintingmusic.com<= BR>> Has anyone heard of 'Krappy' touch guitars?
    =



    --
    The Playing = Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2= /tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: = http://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com= /theplayingorchestra

    = --Apple-Mail-1-159753988-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 13:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D10EE3BFC7; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <002001c8028c$af061eb0$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <002001c8028c$af061eb0$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: RE: New TC Konnekt announced Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:55:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c802a0$70d29150$5277b3f0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgCjK6+gj5WR0vaTkWgIhu2o8AWQgAE6Yow Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D5b440c9d0000581f.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75003 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Looks very interesting. They mention "bass management", so perhaps it is well suited for 5.1 surround output -Qua -----Original Message----- From: Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill [mailto:rs@moinlabs.de] Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:34 AM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: New TC Konnekt announced See this: http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2007/TC-Electronic-Studio-Konnekt.html It seems, TC has attacked the same price and form factor (and approximately feature set) region of the RME FF800. Things the TC has over the Fireface: DSP effects (Two Fabrik C Channel Strips, one Fabrik R Reverb), remote control. It seems more targeted at the project studio customer base, not at us live playing people. Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 14:10:34 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 667EB3BFC7; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:10:34 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <6DB25020-6CA3-44DF-B751-4CA3E148FE3F@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:11:58 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <07uivB.A.AK.azl_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75004 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:10:34 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 29, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: > >> 6 million people and our mother tongue >> continues disappearing... > > > Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together with English as > the common dominator. In my little country of birth we're only some > nine million people, but since a decade even journalists on the > national level media channels "speak English" but with Swedish > words. I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories from > English instead of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon > first happened here three hundred years ago as the upper classes > used to borrow from French and even speak French instead of > Swedish. But this time it's happening at all levels of the society > and that's why I believe it won't stop until every person on the > globe speaks Pidgin English, Engrish or whatever the local tweak > might add. > > I do welcome this linguistic evolution. As long as it's not driven by ethnocentric "boobism". It's till sad when cultures get gobbled up in the name of expedience/ progress..... From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 14:23:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4593BFCE; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:23:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Q/4Lx9SIsswPu/mLdB9nB3LieZPgQ10vpjlMz9aRl24=; b=AvZF5zQAqE2QYJ75KB6muB/Hg8cgJn833nybfSlwLx3pQHNyKw6y4ZohLQwTT4BBojtdbg3Vv1NuybMPQiInMLsEfIAkzMyKFQYDIyxLDwLS5mQYEyA54OXSmjJD4xNLG4CZ7X8tfItojb+NuAwR5FvwFbXxYy3dh8clbLGkAXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=adrW8RuXOAig2kYAjjB4fXiqma/pAkzPYxIpFJgs6lQymXg4loOcIri5R2C6HTU2VQ/ai+AlVViof/Y+E9+lJZcs5babAOHtqwvsw054p3vMAgtGMiKOVPn/XKzS3mah+i+BmVmP6D9ylaovPIW99O0cf6ubRGKtThZlwOEw19s= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:23:51 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) In-Reply-To: <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4430_1692156.1191075831391" References: <20070927023900.707FF3BF77@arsenic.violacea.com> <62FAAA26-C608-4E2C-A56F-636EFEB7852C@gmail.com> <2793F6E9-36BA-4C46-9F50-FDEFFACE090E@gmail.com> <000001c801d7$f621b620$e2652260$@com> <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75005 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:23:53 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_4430_1692156.1191075831391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline 2007/9/29, Per Boysen : > > On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > 6 million people and our mother tongue > > continues disappearing... > > > Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together with English as > the common dominator. In my little country of birth we're only some > nine million people, but since a decade even journalists on the > national level media channels "speak English" but with Swedish words. > I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories from English instead > of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon first happened here > three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to borrow from > French and even speak French instead of Swedish. But this time it's > happening at all levels of the society and that's why I believe it > won't stop until every person on the globe speaks Pidgin English, > Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add. > > I do welcome this linguistic evolution. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) i don't know what to think on the matter. we have suffered from spanish goverments various kinds of mistreats during 1000 years and catalonian language have survived all this time... ra=FCl. --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4430_1692156.1191075831391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

    2007/9/29, Per Boysen <perboysen@gmail.com>: On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote:

    > 6 million people a= nd our mother tongue
    > continues disappearing...


    Yes, it s= eems the planet is slowly coming together with English as
    the common dom= inator. In my little country of birth we're only some
    nine million people, but since a decade even journalists on the
    nati= onal level media channels "speak English" but with Swedish words.=
    I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories from English instead
    of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon first happened herethree hundred years ago as the upper classes used to borrow from
    Frenc= h and even speak French instead of Swedish. But this time it's
    happe= ning at all levels of the society and that's why I believe it
    won't stop until every person on the globe speaks Pidgin English,Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add.

    I do welcome this l= inguistic evolution.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.looproom.com (international)<= div>
    i don't know what to think on the matter.

    we= have suffered from spanish goverments various kinds
    of mistreats during 1000 years and catalonian language have
    survived= all this time...

    ra=FCl.

    --
    The Playing O= rchestra: http://www.telefon= ica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: htt= p://www.ct-collective.com
    TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_4430_1692156.1191075831391-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 14:29:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 71AB03BFCD; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:29:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: New TC Konnekt announced Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:29:36 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000301c802a5$299acf50$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <001101c802a0$70d29150$5277b3f0$@com> Thread-Index: AcgCjK6+gj5WR0vaTkWgIhu2o8AWQgAE6YowAADgJEA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJVmZpfIaA= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75006 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:29:13 +0000 (UTC) > Looks very interesting. They mention "bass management", so > perhaps it is > well suited for 5.1 surround output Looking at the manual (a download on TC Electronic's webpage www.tcelectronic.com), this suspicion is confirmed: The Konnekt48 allows you to define up to three speaker sets (which in turn you connect to the 12 analogue outs). For one channel (this is hardwired to out 8), you can engage bass management, which works like this: For every other channel which is selected for bass management, the signal is split according to settings for a xover frequency and hi/lopass (none,12db/oct,24dB/oct). The actual channel's out is then fed by the signal through the highpass, the low-frequency part (the part through the lowpass) is sent to the bass channel (out8) together with the LFE channel contents. Why the range for the xover frequency is only 80Hz to 120Hz is completely beyond my understanding. I can very well see applications where I'd like my mains to go down to 50 or 60 Hz (well, not exactly my mains - I have only nearfields anyway). Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 15:18:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D8D833BFC8; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FE6E55.1010204@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:25:09 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: AW: New TC Konnekt announced References: <000301c802a5$299acf50$1001a8c0@succubus> In-Reply-To: <000301c802a5$299acf50$1001a8c0@succubus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75007 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:18:03 +0000 (UTC) Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > Why the range for the xover frequency is only 80Hz to 120Hz is completely > beyond my understanding. I can very well see applications where I'd like my > mains to go down to 50 or 60 Hz (well, not exactly my mains - I have only > nearfields anyway). > > Rainer +1 :( There's still lots of hearable stereo imaging left at 80 Hz. While I don't have a subwoofer, if I were to, I most certainly wouldn't want it much above 50 Hz. Maybe they did it to match more general consumer line gear. Maybe 24 dB/octave digital filters down to 50 Hz are more DSP hungry.. But even if it so happens, a 50 Hz @12 dB slope can do well enough. Otherwise, nice featureset. Hopefully it won't have the Mac driver problems Konnect24D reportedly had(have?), which was one of my reasons for deciding on a used RME Multiface. No regrets, no pun either.. I would've liked having the PowerCore as part of the package. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 15:37:42 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EE46E3BFCC; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z/kJdIWiPGZQWWGyZhNWaLuIp6LOoKdr64uxMGzsg4dxJcfaqPiTgI/mC4JnG7F44OahLiEJzd6SXhUJVywEozzCFj5oDJHXPDamDbtF3WGAiCSVkTbft0uCyOn1zFbG5hzHhSC5rNMC7inLc7Gt4bhtxMLnfrJN1mqDPLZbQoc=; X-YMail-OSG: u68dN34VM1msUp3YcPQBa3B6fiFJ19uW4STVac9wetvOH8.2UyMhJQLt1FEKvIvoXHrpa.srA8gDirOWvCZNdq2OYeOTSoOqhtFvEaY633rrV_9M_gl6g3oHYDEfWg-- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:37:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Kupferschmid Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <609304F1-14B1-4F75-BA55-EBA244816371@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75008 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:37:41 +0000 (UTC) I know this sounds cliche, but as far as I'm concerned, music is the only universal language. We all speak different languages for a reason, though, I'm not sure what that reason is. I always thought it was cool that other parts of the world had their languages and cultures. If one travels abroad, I feel it beneficial to learn the language and learn the cultures and traditions, it proves very educational. I guess what I'm trying to say is if English is becoming the globally acceptable language of communication, I think it's just as important that English speaking people also learn the languages of other countries, call this my two cents on trying to avoid the whole "ugly American" stereotype, because I am one of those people who has never been afraid to keep learning, even at my age. Ironically, I spoke fluent German several years ago, however, I've forgotten more than I remember. --- Per Boysen wrote: > On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > 6 million people and our mother tongue > > continues disappearing... > > > Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together > with English as > the common dominator. In my little country of birth > we're only some > nine million people, but since a decade even > journalists on the > national level media channels "speak English" but > with Swedish words. > I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories > from English instead > of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon > first happened here > three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to > borrow from > French and even speak French instead of Swedish. But > this time it's > happening at all levels of the society and that's > why I believe it > won't stop until every person on the globe speaks > Pidgin English, > Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add. > > I do welcome this linguistic evolution. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 15:57:12 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B85F3BFC8; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:57:12 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:57:37 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000401c802b1$74d210d0$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thread-Index: AcgCrqxmcrqgbUW/SYG+/vyxU72v+wAAodxw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIJVmZpfIaA= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75009 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:57:12 +0000 (UTC) > I guess what I'm trying to say is if English is becoming the > globally acceptable language of communication, I think it's > just as important that English speaking people also learn the > languages of other countries, call this my two cents on And it's equally important that you native speakers take care that English isn't reduced to a least common denominator of the language skills of all the English-speaking people in the world. Keep those Dickenses and Joyces and DeLillos and Roths coming! Rainer From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 16:09:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 29F2C3BFD5; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=ucRA+5/BLtb3NzzFHNSr4OwrZMHb59Q3WxRA6tI7KNiFOkiLuoUv3vGgC4v9VzXDWavbE2txUntdAr054zeOwcX2884QbpBM8spFGg+vCiZuar33+04Us0Him60ZZkitsVJ1limJ6kqhc02Z5rkM1lfjPVWtssgujytZjA9Q7jI=; X-YMail-OSG: r0nbj.4VM1mMApqxGF5WonkMZ1SZ8kdilqVXZzK7J93FZL6hJbpsGFKNJs.6hB7qSVhZwS2zE3S3feRM61j2UmSfpslZFpp8mDNhtyirZbZKy.UYQxAqFdQ0SwB2qA-- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:09:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <6DB25020-6CA3-44DF-B751-4CA3E148FE3F@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <16924.16080.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75010 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:09:28 +0000 (UTC) more shocking to me is that i just got mobil phone that provides all lenguages even turkish but not spanish the second most widely spoken language in the world;-)!! Luis --- Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > On Sep 29, 2007, at 3:31 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > > > On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > >> 6 million people and our mother tongue > >> continues disappearing... > > > > > > Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together > with English as > > the common dominator. In my little country of > birth we're only some > > nine million people, but since a decade even > journalists on the > > national level media channels "speak English" but > with Swedish > > words. I mean borrowing typical phrasing and > allegories from > > English instead of using the Swedish equivalence. > This phenomenon > > first happened here three hundred years ago as the > upper classes > > used to borrow from French and even speak French > instead of > > Swedish. But this time it's happening at all > levels of the society > > and that's why I believe it won't stop until every > person on the > > globe speaks Pidgin English, Engrish or whatever > the local tweak > > might add. > > > > I do welcome this linguistic evolution. > > As long as it's not driven by ethnocentric > "boobism". It's till sad > when cultures get gobbled up in the name of > expedience/ progress..... > > > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 16:11:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B74713BFD8; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:11:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:11:26 EDT Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20"Anglofixilization"=A0=20(was:=20Re:=20Stic?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?k=20looping=20videos)?= To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c27.216dbdd6.342fd32e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <-ic0F.A.H5H.9kn_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75011 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:11:41 +0000 (UTC) --part1_c27.216dbdd6.342fd32e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/29/07 11:37:52 AM, apparitionapparition@yahoo.com writes: > I > am one of those people who has never been afraid to > keep learning, even at my age. > at my age i keep trying not to forget!.....i just finished several classes for "ESL", english as a second language, this was through the PITTSBURGH LITERACY COUNCIL, now i am an official "tutor", PITTSBURGH CATHOLIC SERVICES brings many refugees to PITTSBURGH, why here i just don't know and when i get back from y2k7 i will be assigned one to several students, from BOSNIA, SAMOLIA, CHINA, INDIA etc......most of these folk have studied english, both reading and writing but they have a hard time grasping english as a spoken language thus the tutoring.....i am so looking forward to this, i bet i will learn way more than i could ever teach, not only about their cultures but about my own....."i will pick you up for dinner at 7" is kind of weird, no?.....i bet you're yummy!.....here's the on topic part.....i will teach using looping for vocabulary skills.....it may happen!.....:).....michael www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_c27.216dbdd6.342fd32e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    In a message dated 9/29/07 11:37:52 AM, apparitionapparition@yahoo.com write= s:


    I
    am one of those people who has never been afraid to
    keep learning, even at my age.


    at my age i keep trying not to forget!.....i just finished several classe= s for "ESL", english as a second language, this was through the PITTSBURGH L= ITERACY COUNCIL, now i am an official "tutor", PITTSBURGH CATHOLIC SERVICES=20= brings many refugees to PITTSBURGH, why here i just don't know and when i ge= t back from y2k7 i will be assigned one to several students, from BOSNIA, SA= MOLIA, CHINA, INDIA etc......most of these folk have studied english, both r= eading and writing but they have a hard time grasping english as a spoken la= nguage thus the tutoring.....i am so looking forward to this, i bet i will l= earn way more than i could ever teach, not only about their cultures but abo= ut my own....."i will pick you up for dinner at 7" is kind of weird, no?....= .i bet you're yummy!.....here's the on topic part.....i will teach using loo= ping for vocabulary skills.....it may happen!.....:).....michael



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    more shocking to me is that i just got mobil phone
    that provides all lenguages even turkish but not
    spanish the second most widely spoken language in the


    raul.

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 18:16:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id B73D53BFDB; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:16:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709291816.l8TIGciP092053@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: germany Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:16:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcgCvudpgcf8gJmfR6urg9/T7cSEEwABPFuw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75015 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:16:40 +0000 (UTC) The only Zappa show I remember seeing with you Rick is the one at the Paramount Theater in Oakland. I believe it was Bozzio on drums but Zappa was the headliner that evening. I do remember bruce Fowler emptying his trombone spit valve into the orchestra pit, very attractive! I do remember I also saw him play at the Santa Cruz Civic when my friend Scott Thunes was his bass player but I went alone to that show. I think Chad Wakerman was playing with him then. Bill From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 18:18:05 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EFAA63BFDE; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=INoWivQY6BsSpdhW3Vc+PQNb1gqvo2yr40wWgqcJWAE=; b=DenB2fGZKm+nWjT68eemiqX02tFKP5UBVcTS6lqdvBq5wVp0aDSs9wRDa5AOfxld03s+AjxxN7Gyoasyfq/i03IK/+FcnoZFIN+dNxJaOn3CJwCARld27BdhAuHzVh0E2ZOI1sI3Iebfl4fr00JbUatAJLuzk1lL3/bKJDqoCXs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=NJVdKmj8JgSPG2zx2HhvACOcZTVUXTTLJTeY5de4Kae/II3JEte76HzKVrkoDromiHg/fbsPCSlI3oyYQuB7qq7xHoTxg3Rh7jF5caY7ByEgC4P4R5hEndbP6Ic9VbXSsUy+Q3kDuNAvZeVHjHUjnyt861a4XsQlHH2V6S5gVZ0= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <47FCE993-6133-4EFE-B732-FC3A68341B4F@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Francesco Guaiana Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:17:59 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75016 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:18:04 +0000 (UTC) On 29 sep 2007, at 18.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > great free downloadable loop guitar album from ARTsommerville > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/5648/ Thank you, Ra=FCl! Francesco Guaiana makes nice music. But what a =20 horrible fidelity of some of those ARTSommerville recordings! Too bad =20= when the music is so good. I'm wondering if someone at ARTSommerville =20= has a damaged microphone and uses it to make recordings without =20 listening back to the result? ;-) On the page are links to his own web site and a MySpace page, both =20 that have good sounding recordings recording. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 18:40:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1DB803BFE4; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 11:39:51 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75017 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 18:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Possibly the next universal language is to be Chinese, since China is obviously rapidly rising to be one of the next super powers, if not eventually *the* super power, and currently has over 20% of the world's population. I seriously doubt that the Chinese gov't will make English mandatory and it's national language, but probably will at least require some learning of it as part of the basic educational curriculum (if not already?) and mainly for the purposes of business dealings in our ever- globalizing world. Seems likely. The Sleeping Dragon is fully awake now and ready to further stretch it's muscles.... (Thanx, Wal-Mart! :-) ) Mandarin, or Hakka, or Cantonese, anyone? Here is a good place to start: http://www.chinalanguage.com/ Just some thoughts that occurred to me while reading these posts about English becoming the "universal language" the world, which personally to me, smacks a bit of the same Anglo / Euro- ethnocentricity train of thought that has sadly been going on all over the world for several hundred years now, and often at the peril of countless numbers of the inhabitants of other countries. (Sorry anyone, but that's the way it sounds to me. So, sue me. :-) ) I would much rather be more influenced by cultures other than the one I currently exist in. Over here in the USA, we have a bunch of delusional and psychotic xenophobic Right (AKA: wrong) wing control freaks that are DEMANDING that "their" America be an English ONLY country. They hate even the very *idea* of ESL and loudly say so. What a bunch of self-superior dominator culture morons. (and are mainly Rethuglicans and just love their guns!) As for Spanish previously mentioned by Luis, I am glad that I know at least *some* of it (but still learning...) and enough to roughly get by with in conversations with Spanish speaking people. "Pidjin Spanish" really, but usually enough to make my point,etc. This originated with me as a kid growing up 150 miles north of the Mexican border, way out in West Texas. I am at least glad for that happening. (I am in Portland,OR, now. Split from Texas YEARS ago.) Also, for several years now, I have been sending whatever monetary support that I can afford to a small school for young kids in a small indigenous town named Chickaloon, Alaska. The main reason that I like the school is that it is giving the kids both a "Western" education and also their ( pre- White / pre-oil industry,etc, intrusions) traditional education and ways, and also *preserving their traditional language*, along with giving them other skills, etc. That did it for me to start to give them some support, and I am just another lower-income White guy stuck in America. :-) School info: http://www.chickaloon.org/Education/YaNeDahAh.html I also fully agree about music being the REAL universal language, at least on the plane that transcends the one that regular languages exist on, and I have felt that way for YEARS now. (Thanx for bringing that subject up, Brian. Not "cliche" at all, IMO) L8r, articul8ors... -Rev. Fever On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > I know this sounds cliche, but as far as I'm > concerned, music is the only universal language. We > all speak different languages for a reason, though, > I'm not sure what that reason is. I always thought it > was cool that other parts of the world had their > languages and cultures. If one travels abroad, I feel > it beneficial to learn the language and learn the > cultures and traditions, it proves very educational. > I guess what I'm trying to say is if English is > becoming the globally acceptable language of > communication, I think it's just as important that > English speaking people also learn the languages of > other countries, call this my two cents on trying to > avoid the whole "ugly American" stereotype, because I > am one of those people who has never been afraid to > keep learning, even at my age. Ironically, I spoke > fluent German several years ago, however, I've > forgotten more than I remember. > --- Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: >> >>> 6 million people and our mother tongue >>> continues disappearing... >> >> >> Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together >> with English as >> the common dominator. In my little country of birth >> we're only some >> nine million people, but since a decade even >> journalists on the >> national level media channels "speak English" but >> with Swedish words. >> I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories >> from English instead >> of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon >> first happened here >> three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to >> borrow from >> French and even speak French instead of Swedish. 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    ================== From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 19:49:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DAE553BFB9; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Chuck Silva Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 15:49:27 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75018 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:49:51 +0000 (UTC) As an American who considers himself a Liberal Democrat, I would like to take issue with the Rev Fever regarding English as the primary language in the United States. And I think it's unfair and childish to condescend on an entire country or at least an entire sub culture- neo conservatives for their views I'm certain(and it's unfair to make this inference) that most conservatives are not anti spanish nor are they a bunch of trigger happy gun yielding cowboys ( and I'll be the first to speak out against the proliferation of guns in America and am pro gun control). Having said all that bru ha ha let me say this: A long time ago our wise Fore Father's had the prudence to see the importance of having a single common language to hold our adverse country together. We only need to look to Canada and other bi- lingual countries to know that it doesn't work. We need to have a single common language and that is English. One can do what they want at home but in school English and only English (or shall we say American language?) should be taught as our primary language! Don't get me wrong. I am in love with and cherish the precious global village that we are all apart. And I'm in your camp regarding their preservation. But it would be a disaster if we were to all split up into micro cultures unable to communicate with each other in the US. Chuck Silva:-) On Sep 29, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Rev Fever wrote: > Possibly the next universal language is to be Chinese, > since China is obviously rapidly rising to be one of the next super > powers, > if not eventually *the* super power, and currently has over 20% of > the world's population. > > I seriously doubt that the Chinese gov't will make English > mandatory and it's national language, > but probably will at least require some learning of it as part of > the basic educational curriculum (if not already?) > and mainly for the purposes of business dealings in our ever- > globalizing world. Seems likely. > > The Sleeping Dragon is fully awake now and ready to further stretch > it's muscles.... > (Thanx, Wal-Mart! :-) ) > > Mandarin, or Hakka, or Cantonese, anyone? > > Here is a good place to start: > http://www.chinalanguage.com/ > > Just some thoughts that occurred to me while reading these posts > about English becoming the "universal language" the world, > which personally to me, smacks a bit of the same Anglo / Euro- > ethnocentricity train of thought that has sadly been going on > all over the world for several hundred years now, and often at the > peril of countless numbers of the inhabitants of other countries. > (Sorry anyone, but that's the way it sounds to me. So, sue me. :-) ) > > I would much rather be more influenced by cultures other than the > one I currently exist in. > > Over here in the USA, we have a bunch of delusional and psychotic > xenophobic Right (AKA: wrong) wing control freaks that are > DEMANDING that "their" America be an English ONLY country. They > hate even the very *idea* of ESL and loudly say so. What a bunch of > self-superior dominator culture morons. > (and are mainly Rethuglicans and just love their guns!) > > As for Spanish previously mentioned by Luis, I am glad that I know > at least *some* of it (but still learning...) and enough to roughly > get by with in > conversations with Spanish speaking people. "Pidjin Spanish" > really, but usually enough to make my point,etc. > This originated with me as a kid growing up 150 miles north of the > Mexican border, way out in West Texas. I am at least glad for that > happening. > (I am in Portland,OR, now. Split from Texas YEARS ago.) > > Also, for several years now, I have been sending whatever monetary > support that I can afford to a small school for young kids > in a small indigenous town named Chickaloon, Alaska. The main > reason that I like the school is that > it is giving the kids both a "Western" education and also their > ( pre-White / pre-oil industry,etc, intrusions) > traditional education and ways, and also *preserving their > traditional language*, along with giving them other skills, etc. > > That did it for me to start to give them some support, and I am > just another lower-income White guy stuck in America. :-) > > School info: > http://www.chickaloon.org/Education/YaNeDahAh.html > > I also fully agree about music being the REAL universal language, > at least on the plane that transcends the one that regular > languages exist on, > and I have felt that way for YEARS now. (Thanx for bringing that > subject up, Brian. Not "cliche" at all, IMO) > > L8r, articul8ors... > > -Rev. Fever > > > On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: > >> I know this sounds cliche, but as far as I'm >> concerned, music is the only universal language. We >> all speak different languages for a reason, though, >> I'm not sure what that reason is. I always thought it >> was cool that other parts of the world had their >> languages and cultures. If one travels abroad, I feel >> it beneficial to learn the language and learn the >> cultures and traditions, it proves very educational. >> I guess what I'm trying to say is if English is >> becoming the globally acceptable language of >> communication, I think it's just as important that >> English speaking people also learn the languages of >> other countries, call this my two cents on trying to >> avoid the whole "ugly American" stereotype, because I >> am one of those people who has never been afraid to >> keep learning, even at my age. Ironically, I spoke >> fluent German several years ago, however, I've >> forgotten more than I remember. >> --- Per Boysen wrote: >> >>> On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: >>> >>>> 6 million people and our mother tongue >>>> continues disappearing... >>> >>> >>> Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together >>> with English as >>> the common dominator. In my little country of birth >>> we're only some >>> nine million people, but since a decade even >>> journalists on the >>> national level media channels "speak English" but >>> with Swedish words. >>> I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories >>> from English instead >>> of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon >>> first happened here >>> three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to >>> borrow from >>> French and even speak French instead of Swedish. But >>> this time it's >>> happening at all levels of the society and that's >>> why I believe it >>> won't stop until every person on the globe speaks >>> Pidgin English, >>> Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add. >>> >>> I do welcome this linguistic evolution. >>> >>> Greetings from Sweden >>> >>> Per Boysen >>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>> www.looproom.com (international) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________________ >> _______________ >> Got a little couch potato? >> Check out fun summer activities for kids. >> http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities >> +for+kids&cs=bz >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 19:54:55 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2B7163BFE1; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=A4MoWdMeP+bzm5fBKb5wARt2WTG4aQ3xusq/yy5zxr8=; b=inssuwGJFN72vvOOcI1BkZoIAIpgds+oQICDvOgIKIILDrz63of37V2v9dRAUekyy+2raf+2csyX0utZzk8aLey3vONep1UUhooJ45Z5z0w6q4jY3NpzbqJWWJY3R6l5wVCHSc0kSY8X68d3SIhxL+6LmeIxuvjKUQGPdBjLbQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=t/a1pQgw8ry0dpKPdXG0JZfur14Svb04CJVjCQo2fr4YTuoEOckEHiKpQWZdfTw+jQ09+jIdbbrbKO+SKonVEcyWD9JCC7KDCfgcDMjTodk5i74FzSECKHr+GaU2wZSOijMFd/LWnpXZYzO07pLQioXSDVfY4uKyUTGC3jr7zt0= In-Reply-To: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <5FEC365F-D7D0-43AB-9BC3-A6028E83B809@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Per Boysen Subject: Max 5 is out! Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:54:48 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75019 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 19:54:55 +0000 (UTC) I guess some here take interest: Cycling =9174 Releases Max 5 Details: Bringing Max Out of the 80s, Into =20= the Future http://createdigitalmusic.com/2007/09/28/cycling-74-releases-max-5-=20 details-bringing-max-out-of-the-80s/ Max 5: Wha It Si (and Isn't) http://www.cycling74.com/story/2007/9/28/105551/882 Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:23:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id BB2823BFDB; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=ZujZ++fYFcRtaQi7qkdMC7zBu4IHcAmE8KXRvLA/Lsk=; b=SsfQ16Dt/7SLdLlMsQ08M87Stjzz3MAxkgVEqYg1DodPGL3SAelhQQhbnX67L7tY+EpZ0CI99+P/fYVynbPEArB6IJbh9D9FkoKQTKu0/y/B/S/hOZpm/hrDNUN8oZ+5X3FpwZ11At0zB0tZL/FT5ieo7zjvtnb+vveG3DBelhw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=lWx+91G4Sa2hshnCma1g+GYwVtcROZEkBxrlwlIGjX9nEIRIwFaUeA87Z8mVVTipi3LCPF6sZfENCSLHxc0+pAKNWX0WeluZRD/y257ztV4qzDrGXZ5sIhYOx/Dy5HMdBOKDBK+AIiMRxqwNs3VcxbmrBYHOR9oHIx2KNIFGsCo= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <815022DA-E2B9-4470-B02B-05B4FC1361BE@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (The Good Side Of USA) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:23:14 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75020 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:23:24 +0000 (UTC) On 29 sep 2007, at 21.49, Chuck Silva wrote: > A long time ago our wise Fore Father's had the prudence to see the > importance of having a single common language to hold our adverse > country together. Forgive me for simply cutting out a part of Chuck's post here, but I just want to jump in on this one because yesterday I happened to learn a good example of what good comes with the common language for the US. This was a Swedish radio documentary on scientific research and the particular issue "Why do all Nobel prices go to USA?". Here in Europe we have good scientists too but the universities and private financing of research projects don't bleed over much between language zones. As a result very bright people can waist time working on almost similar problems, just because the happen to be in different countries. While in the US scientists are free to move between universities all over the continent to form collaborative teams based on scientific interest. The career path in Europe is difficult to understand for a young student, while in the US everything is clearly lined out as the universities share the same language and similar administration. All this given Europe and USA are about the same size. An interesting figure here is that China is coming up strongly, thanks to low costs. The same research budget in nanotechnology keeps twenty chinese scientists working on a project while in USA the same amount of money can only support one scientist for a project. And almost the same figures seems to apply to development speed; chinese research and product development is twenty times faster. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:28:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E09763BFE5; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-WELL-Auth: Yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5FEC365F-D7D0-43AB-9BC3-A6028E83B809@gmail.com> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <5FEC365F-D7D0-43AB-9BC3-A6028E83B809@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:26:59 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Chris Muir Subject: Re: Max 5 is out! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on paz.well.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75021 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:28:38 +0000 (UTC) Not out, just being discussed openly for the first time. It should ship some time early next year. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:30:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id CEDF53BF8D; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=supLlzJOcjVUNRAi+xKFDroGUTrZiG2CB/iSGaF6rvI=; b=RETleNIcKzKSn9tY8xEo0gnN4J5q4S8Z8vDXeWG3xaB3UBgMVvaB3nlJvl+Hf0hu1qwBRYiIZnorAj2JCW/frA1pba6bxMYHgQSZQS/rTYLU7GHDr/4H9c7YkONIXxr3ZYKlH/6SGlkC2OxDdE4nGm+aFnkeiucb8iVSjpvxozg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=XzoUpmC+B4IJAapWk9iT4NKoJyReoB/BTJHtzKUU27s9J+gLffxQ0neRL8WWnBwJV4mB2jE731JV3/pz3pFFnK5EeIyaaJCJqS1+IATzPrTP+liGpIDJMLSUeRxl+ibtmAT5VUSM68WZsW+msOqSYTkyO+UhgTSbiKj4jM5J/7M= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <5FEC365F-D7D0-43AB-9BC3-A6028E83B809@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1338A03D-8A95-4C5D-8A88-A84F5868E15C@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Max 5 is out! Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:30:53 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75022 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:30:58 +0000 (UTC) On 29 sep 2007, at 22.26, Chris Muir wrote: > Not out, just being discussed openly for the first time. It should > ship some time early next year. Yep. sorry for that. I should have used the topic "Max 5 is IN!" It will be out in the first quarter of 2008. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:37:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 51CAA3BFF0; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1338A03D-8A95-4C5D-8A88-A84F5868E15C@gmail.com> References: <013101c80039$7ef8ce70$6401a8c0@dayglogreen> <5FEC365F-D7D0-43AB-9BC3-A6028E83B809@gmail.com> <1338A03D-8A95-4C5D-8A88-A84F5868E15C@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: James Richmond Subject: Question regarding for sale posts Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:37:01 -0400 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <2eP3MB.A.F7.vdr_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75023 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:37:03 +0000 (UTC) hi all, I'm selling a few things- am I allowed to post this to the list? Regards, Jim From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:42:50 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2BAA13BFE5; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Rev Fever Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 13:42:46 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <-XBFXD.A.TTB.Jjr_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75024 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Er...Chuck, please re-read my post. I did not say specifically what your are implying here and I certainly was not trying to paint the *entire* American population with some broad and "unfair" brushstroke. Hey. *I* live *here* too, y'know! :-) No offense intended, but why is that Americans are often SO touchy when someone else (sometimes even a "fellow citizen") even comes close to questioning, or (gasp!) criticizing even certain aspects about America and it's culture? Remember that, by default, *I* am *also* an American citizen, but that may very well change someday too, if I can make it happen. I also was not trying to imply that *all* conservatives were the psycho xenophobic greedy neoconartist types. I was referring to the more open and obvious ones who are like this. I assumed, and I guess incorrectly, that I did not have to make a distinction between the current crop of corrupt and power mad control freak Rethug neocons that certainly *are* wrecking the nation, as opposed to the old time "Eisenhower" Republicans and the "Goldwater" conservatives, many of whom I have not much of a problem with just as long as the playing field is kept level, which, with the neoconartist Rethugs, is *not* the case. And also, what "doesn't work" in Canada, and other places, that does not adopt a "common" language? Last I checked, (and I have friends in Canada who love it there) the Canadians in general were doing pretty good and are not nearly as freaked out as so many are here in the "Land of the Free!". It also seems that Europe has done fairly well, too. Maybe some other places, as well? And, when did, and which of the so-called Founding Fathers actually say there must be a "common" language? News to me historically, but if I am wrong, then I do not mind being educated to the contrary. "Knowledge is power", y'know. :-) And, if ya wanna experience "childish", just check out the usual behaviors and attitudes of most neocon "adults". (including "our" current president) Give me an "Eisenhower" or a "Goldwater" anytime. (and I am not *even* a Republican! ) :-) -Rev. Fever On Sep 29, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Chuck Silva wrote: > As an American who considers himself a Liberal Democrat, I would > like to take issue with the Rev Fever regarding English as the > primary language in the United States. And I think it's unfair and > childish to condescend on an entire country or at least an entire > sub culture-neo conservatives for their views > > I'm certain(and it's unfair to make this inference) that most > conservatives are not anti spanish nor are they a bunch of trigger > happy gun yielding cowboys ( and I'll be the first to speak out > against the proliferation of guns in America and am pro gun control). > > Having said all that bru ha ha let me say this: > > A long time ago our wise Fore Father's had the prudence to see the > importance of having a single common language to hold our adverse > country together. We only need to look to Canada and other bi- > lingual countries to know that it doesn't work. > > We need to have a single common language and that is English. One > can do what they want at home but in school English and only > English (or shall we say American language?) should be taught as > our primary language! > > Don't get me wrong. I am in love with and cherish the precious > global village that we are all apart. And I'm in your camp > regarding their preservation. But it would be a disaster if we were > to all split up into micro cultures unable to communicate with each > other in the US. > > Chuck Silva:-) > > > On Sep 29, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Rev Fever wrote: > >> Possibly the next universal language is to be Chinese, >> since China is obviously rapidly rising to be one of the next >> super powers, >> if not eventually *the* super power, and currently has over 20% of >> the world's population. >> >> I seriously doubt that the Chinese gov't will make English >> mandatory and it's national language, >> but probably will at least require some learning of it as part of >> the basic educational curriculum (if not already?) >> and mainly for the purposes of business dealings in our ever- >> globalizing world. Seems likely. >> >> The Sleeping Dragon is fully awake now and ready to further >> stretch it's muscles.... >> (Thanx, Wal-Mart! :-) ) >> >> Mandarin, or Hakka, or Cantonese, anyone? >> >> Here is a good place to start: >> http://www.chinalanguage.com/ >> >> Just some thoughts that occurred to me while reading these posts >> about English becoming the "universal language" the world, >> which personally to me, smacks a bit of the same Anglo / Euro- >> ethnocentricity train of thought that has sadly been going on >> all over the world for several hundred years now, and often at the >> peril of countless numbers of the inhabitants of other countries. >> (Sorry anyone, but that's the way it sounds to me. So, sue me. :-) ) >> >> I would much rather be more influenced by cultures other than the >> one I currently exist in. >> >> Over here in the USA, we have a bunch of delusional and psychotic >> xenophobic Right (AKA: wrong) wing control freaks that are >> DEMANDING that "their" America be an English ONLY country. They >> hate even the very *idea* of ESL and loudly say so. What a bunch >> of self-superior dominator culture morons. >> (and are mainly Rethuglicans and just love their guns!) >> >> As for Spanish previously mentioned by Luis, I am glad that I know >> at least *some* of it (but still learning...) and enough to >> roughly get by with in >> conversations with Spanish speaking people. "Pidjin Spanish" >> really, but usually enough to make my point,etc. >> This originated with me as a kid growing up 150 miles north of the >> Mexican border, way out in West Texas. I am at least glad for that >> happening. >> (I am in Portland,OR, now. Split from Texas YEARS ago.) >> >> Also, for several years now, I have been sending whatever monetary >> support that I can afford to a small school for young kids >> in a small indigenous town named Chickaloon, Alaska. The main >> reason that I like the school is that >> it is giving the kids both a "Western" education and also their >> ( pre-White / pre-oil industry,etc, intrusions) >> traditional education and ways, and also *preserving their >> traditional language*, along with giving them other skills, etc. >> >> That did it for me to start to give them some support, and I am >> just another lower-income White guy stuck in America. :-) >> >> School info: >> http://www.chickaloon.org/Education/YaNeDahAh.html >> >> I also fully agree about music being the REAL universal language, >> at least on the plane that transcends the one that regular >> languages exist on, >> and I have felt that way for YEARS now. (Thanx for bringing that >> subject up, Brian. Not "cliche" at all, IMO) >> >> L8r, articul8ors... >> >> -Rev. Fever >> >> >> On Sep 29, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Brian Kupferschmid wrote: >> >>> I know this sounds cliche, but as far as I'm >>> concerned, music is the only universal language. We >>> all speak different languages for a reason, though, >>> I'm not sure what that reason is. I always thought it >>> was cool that other parts of the world had their >>> languages and cultures. If one travels abroad, I feel >>> it beneficial to learn the language and learn the >>> cultures and traditions, it proves very educational. >>> I guess what I'm trying to say is if English is >>> becoming the globally acceptable language of >>> communication, I think it's just as important that >>> English speaking people also learn the languages of >>> other countries, call this my two cents on trying to >>> avoid the whole "ugly American" stereotype, because I >>> am one of those people who has never been afraid to >>> keep learning, even at my age. Ironically, I spoke >>> fluent German several years ago, however, I've >>> forgotten more than I remember. >>> --- Per Boysen wrote: >>> >>>> On 29 sep 2007, at 04.46, Raul Bonell wrote: >>>> >>>>> 6 million people and our mother tongue >>>>> continues disappearing... >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, it seems the planet is slowly coming together >>>> with English as >>>> the common dominator. In my little country of birth >>>> we're only some >>>> nine million people, but since a decade even >>>> journalists on the >>>> national level media channels "speak English" but >>>> with Swedish words. >>>> I mean borrowing typical phrasing and allegories >>>> from English instead >>>> of using the Swedish equivalence. This phenomenon >>>> first happened here >>>> three hundred years ago as the upper classes used to >>>> borrow from >>>> French and even speak French instead of Swedish. But >>>> this time it's >>>> happening at all levels of the society and that's >>>> why I believe it >>>> won't stop until every person on the globe speaks >>>> Pidgin English, >>>> Engrish or whatever the local tweak might add. >>>> >>>> I do welcome this linguistic evolution. >>>> >>>> Greetings from Sweden >>>> >>>> Per Boysen >>>> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >>>> www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 20:52:15 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 75F0C3BFF8; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: AW: "Anglofixilization" (The Good Side Of USA) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:52:39 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000001c802da$ac1fa420$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <815022DA-E2B9-4470-B02B-05B4FC1361BE@gmail.com> Thread-Index: AcgC1pZsfPIirQzISHCZdFpnFKjFfgAA9Wpw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OIRIKt8zbg== X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75025 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 20:52:15 +0000 (UTC) > A long time ago our wise Fore Father's had the prudence to see the=20 > importance of having a single common language to hold our adverse=20 > country together. 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Nik From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 21:57:07 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 76DEB3BFDC; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=1lhoqFFWblydEUryQpVbRbjIPHcavPdXfiLPOmjnLxU=; b=a+Goni/m8e2vs8u1pUUiiNKXirrkY8p0rcJ8BE1NPb4CCny4Jq+oZNEV9LqNXsA08Z+GB6VtJM+zfRkTmbzx90ObYpD0zc81+Z4vWw3xWSjPwq47Fd0O2rUI5YGg5TE3R71wBvwGlStuWmDjJn6k6lOpM/MIlPnNwYTbWiRuXQc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=HMg9LS9rCXJom1VjPZXWROd99dlIIZQdY5m16b8Sij3Jx3AjhMwAi0t8PIKHSqAmuVzhk/XBrR7uVv1uWZSGYJJLxbSmQkwaj8pcvnpvSljXvGooFYhBWg4w8BmDGDDlu09/EZtiGJODFxfAscXAK5ow1MdIHMt7YCXfbCwf2UY= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:57:05 +0200 From: "Raul Bonell" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Francesco Guaiana In-Reply-To: <47FCE993-6133-4EFE-B732-FC3A68341B4F@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5210_33403291.1191103025573" References: <47FCE993-6133-4EFE-B732-FC3A68341B4F@gmail.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75027 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:57:07 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_5210_33403291.1191103025573 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline really? don't even noticed it considering that it was a live recording... all they uploaded albums on jamendo have a quick picture as booklet front, so you may think they are produced in a quick too. i'll try others' too and see.. ra=FCl. 2007/9/29, Per Boysen : > > On 29 sep 2007, at 18.59, Raul Bonell wrote: > > > great free downloadable loop guitar album from ARTsommerville > > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/5648/ > > Thank you, Ra=FCl! Francesco Guaiana makes nice music. But what a > horrible fidelity of some of those ARTSommerville recordings! Too bad > when the music is so good. I'm wondering if someone at ARTSommerville > has a damaged microphone and uses it to make recordings without > listening back to the result? ;-) > > On the page are links to his own web site and a MySpace page, both > that have good sounding recordings recording. > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > > --=20 The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com TPO at myspace: http://www.myspace.com/theplayingorchestra ------=_Part_5210_33403291.1191103025573 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline really? don't even noticed it considering that it was a live recording.= ..
    all they uploaded albums on jamendo have a quick picture as bookletfront, so you may think they are produced in a quick too.

    i'll= try others' too and see..

    ra=FCl.

    2007/9/29, Per Boys= en <perboysen@gmail.com>:<= /span>
    On 29 sep 2007, at 18.59, Raul Bonell wrote:

    > great free downloa= dable loop guitar album from ARTsommerville
    > http://www.jamendo.com/en/album/5648/
    Thank you, Ra=FCl! Francesco Guaiana makes nice music. But what a
    horrib= le fidelity of some of those ARTSommerville recordings! Too bad
    when the= music is so good. I'm wondering if someone at ARTSommerville
    has a = damaged microphone and uses it to make recordings without
    listening back to the result? ;-)

    On the page are links to his o= wn web site and a MySpace page, both
    that have good sounding recordings = recording.

    Greetings from Sweden

    Per Boysen
    www.boysen.se (Swedish)
    www.loop= room.com (international)







    --
    The Playing Orchestra: http://www.telefonica.net/web2/tpo
    Chain Tape Collective: http://www.ct-collective.com
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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 22:46:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7B1283BFF0; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=JH3mbU1a3q62naeKHNgrDApAtCE6sJMqRoxqcotgv3o=; b=o3tB3hrmYZJ1PMBR1OsNEfTVxYZeFZP187sqLDpeeV52rASHk0ueR0cE7FHiaX8qjrMqX2Bfz0xGkw1Mi4RPHuXjC9hAP6UxHwrIv3+XeOLAKR3rj4qoMvoWA+AILqz1WiA9tNg2Ixf6D+wGxGAxh9AuSbWm+1hdeKBNolbgl20= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GA74sv1c7g0sRWMl7xnK80Aqgid4V0V9mQWbAhp+bO8fm2VRQp0zyhSz80Qj2zo3KaKbA9S/QZDnNdMl8qXqOyDJKyttddUT7BMtAe38xv1zHd3NhRBXMt8PRq26BtQOWOEPwHusHzZmBr2ucjE3w0dXEOGMLYqFSaBPtyK2I6A= Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:46:15 -0500 From: "Doug Cox" To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6361_15514143.1191105975966" References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75028 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 22:46:17 +0000 (UTC) ------=_Part_6361_15514143.1191105975966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline es interesante que esta conversaci=F3n entera ha ocurrido en ingl=E9s. ------=_Part_6361_15514143.1191105975966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline es interesante que esta conversaci=F3n entera ha ocurrido en ingl=E9s. ------=_Part_6361_15514143.1191105975966-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sat Sep 29 23:09:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E1FC43BFD8; Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:09:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01b001c802ed$bf13cdf0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Fireface 400 Working Now on ThinkPad Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 17:09:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C802BB.743DB480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 2, in=1, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.71.148 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75029 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:09:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01AB_01C802BB.743DB480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recieved my RME Fireface 400 today and got it running with my ThinkPad = and Max, with a $15 Adaptec Cardbus/Firewire adaptor I bought = (recommended by someone on the list also using it for a ThinkPad). 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    Kris
     
    p.s. the new $80 Siig = ExpressCard/firewire=20 800 adapator I bought did not work....it would not let me install = the FW400=20 driver.  The adaptor must be too new or something. But I doubt I = need that=20 Firewire 800 speed anyway.
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    I don't know anything about the FW400, but I know you've been looking forward to this day for a while now.  Congrats!

    I've read about other firewire devices issuing that hot plug warning, but don't know any details.  if there's a yellow card in there warning against it, I wouldn't do it until/unless you read a product update from RME.  Don't break that thing! :)

    Enjoy.

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 03:33:17 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D79D23BFED; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Subject: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:33:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C802E0.56559BC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 3, First 3, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.71.148 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75031 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 03:33:17 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C802E0.56559BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Can anyone recommend a good MIDI cable for the Behringer FCB? The reason = why I ask is that all the MIDI cables I have are made by the same = company (HOSA I think) and the pins are too thick to fit easily into the = FCB. It's frustrating. I do recall seeing MIDI cables that have pins = that are thinner than others. I need a good cable with that feature, so = I don't end up destroying the MIDI jack of the FCB and my FW 400. Thanks, Kris ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C802E0.56559BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Can anyone recommend a good MIDI cable = for the=20 Behringer FCB? The reason why I ask is that all the MIDI cables I have = are made=20 by the same company (HOSA I think) and the pins are too thick to fit = easily into=20 the FCB. It's frustrating. I do recall seeing MIDI cables that have pins = that=20 are thinner than others. I need a good cable with that feature, so I = don't end=20 up destroying the MIDI jack of the FCB and my FW 400.
     
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    ------=_NextPart_000_01EB_01C802E0.56559BC0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 06:23:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 13D263BFDE; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:23:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Bill Edmondson" To: Subject: looking for a click source Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 02:22:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c8032a$4aaf2080$6401a8c0@F52F2867C1364CC> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80308.C39D8080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcgDKkoWKfuPloZkR7Gi+w7fr++Rlw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75032 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:23:51 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80308.C39D8080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=92m experimenting with creating loops on guitar and keys where a live drummer can play along. For some tunes, we=92d be playing along with a = click to have the loops acting as the rhythm section. =20 So, I=92m looking for a device that can serve as a good audible click = for the drummer and I to follow (in our in-ears). It should have the following specs: =20 * Mono =BC=94 line level output * Footswitch start/stop * Midi controllable * Visual click * Preset capability for selecting various tempos throughout the set * Midi clock output to synchronize loopers and arpeggiators * Preferably rack mountable =20 Is there anything like this out there? I am currently using an adrenalin = but it seems like the wrong thing to be using. =20 Thanks, Bill =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C80308.C39D8080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I’m experimenting with creating loops on guitar = and keys where a live drummer can play along. For some tunes, we’d be = playing along with a click to have the loops acting as the rhythm = section.

     

    So, I’m looking for a device that can serve as = a good audible click for the drummer and I to follow (in our in-ears). It = should have the following specs:

     

    • Mono =BC” line = level output
    • Footswitch = start/stop
    • Midi = controllable
    • Visual = click
    • Preset capability for = selecting various tempos throughout the set
    • Midi clock output to synchronize loopers and = arpeggiators
    • Preferably rack = mountable

     

    Is there anything like this out there? I am currently = using an adrenalin but it seems like the wrong thing to be = using.

     

    Thanks,

    Bill

     

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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 08:12:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E10333BFFA; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <000e01c80339$b573bf20$0200a8c0@LittleTosh> Reply-To: "Nik Tembe" <"fluke 'at'gotadsl'dot'co'dot'uk"@arsenic.violacea.com> From: "Nik Tembe" To: References: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Subject: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:12:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75034 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:12:13 +0000 (UTC) Surely a little Deoxit or WD-40 would sort that out? Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Krispen Hartung" To: Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:33 AM Subject: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB Can anyone recommend a good MIDI cable for the Behringer FCB? The reason why I ask is that all the MIDI cables I have are made by the same company (HOSA I think) and the pins are too thick to fit easily into the FCB. It's frustrating. I do recall seeing MIDI cables that have pins that are thinner than others. I need a good cable with that feature, so I don't end up destroying the MIDI jack of the FCB and my FW 400. Thanks, Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 09:35:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB2683BFDE; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:35:10 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Michael Peters" To: "Loopers Delight" References: Subject: RE: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:35:09 +0200 Message-ID: <002f01c80345$317f6b40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AcgDQTdzI+++2MrpTJqs1P60oNqiEgAA8BAQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75035 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:35:10 +0000 (UTC) this would be a perfect discussion for the Loopers Off-Topic list. :-) http://groups.google.fr/group/loopers-delight-off-topic -mpe From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 10:05:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3C4AB3BFE2; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FF768F.80905@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:12:31 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB References: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75036 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:05:24 +0000 (UTC) Krispen Hartung wrote: > Can anyone recommend a good MIDI cable for the Behringer FCB? The reason > why I ask is that all the MIDI cables I have are made by the same > company (HOSA I think) and the pins are too thick to fit easily into the > FCB. It's frustrating. I do recall seeing MIDI cables that have pins > that are thinner than others. I need a good cable with that feature, so > I don't end up destroying the MIDI jack of the FCB and my FW 400. > > Thanks, > > Kris I think Behringer simply chose a pretty tight midi socket to avoid the cable getting ripped out during a performance. A good point IMHO.. -- rgds, van Sinn From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 10:11:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D3873BFE3; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <002a01c8034a$62a01260$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <360077.60975.qm@web34313.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8DB1B210-F040-44FE-B403-5A9A94B50A9A@ubergadget.com> <272D4352-973F-4E0E-9A65-904FDAEC297A@mac.com> Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:12:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8035B.24E98490" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/jIxiRUyUGiEZ0c5xeA+DQJfn1tGLv/kwEMkt bAguM/y6fnJpELo0tA93iZ2hdTcvJ9DxQYYDffl9PMCTnci5iC pDlRgHwc1TgfCQprhcTIzQtY4rmRtVq Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75037 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:11:43 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8035B.24E98490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable vraiment, das stimmt... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Doug Cox=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:46 AM Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) es interesante que esta conversaci=F3n entera ha ocurrido en ingl=E9s. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8035B.24E98490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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    es interesante que esta conversaci=F3n entera ha = ocurrido en=20 ingl=E9s. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C8035B.24E98490-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 10:35:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E88813BFDE; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:35:27 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=gvEMQH0fpMpAOO1rFaH+lo1JijbW2hAzeLxxXwVKb9M=; b=EvoAs1FiYOgXxvp+/qu3TOJIkyd7aTA7CLYWZQ7fHVFOZWkSkAWLqcrCpRPEji1Dck24dtQR9Ugf6o7d+I/reFvSaQNVKTB7a0XA00wYecm+mHDAQS8pnvI9koroxdYjerCOC3kQ3SIK/M2WBm24HOFqdv7mcNeXyWoygr4N79A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=hd0iCudR8T9kTFQttNl5gC1H2AQd6ZCvA0c3gTsYa3qXcc0WSPZTdSpHwzm9cnijZ7uCtX79GOWzJ2EHXe0yMVU4hFXL8Xrou3NlXCv9V1KKtAEtQ+4l6CukbC4kC/bxKKcbqCI9a8rf7SXZ1LuOJMnIRzd0wzoAnJysFQfrpfM= In-Reply-To: <002f01c80345$317f6b40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> References: <002f01c80345$317f6b40$fe78a8c0@mpeserver> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <78A6F389-3E15-45EA-8212-D57CE06D3F14@gmail.com> Cc: loopers-delight-off-topic@googlegroups.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:35:12 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75038 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 10:35:27 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2007, at 11.35, Michael Peters wrote: > this would be a perfect discussion for the Loopers Off-Topic list. :-) > http://groups.google.fr/group/loopers-delight-off-topic He, he... in this thread your post is truly On Topic since your link goes to a localized French page! ;-) Just kidding. I too am a happy subscriber to both the regular list and the off-topic list. I keep them dropping into the same inbox, so anything I answer that was sent to the off-topic list goes back that way and vice versa. It's a quite transparent system that I can recommend to anyone that rather likes to chat along than worrying about different lists. Here's an URL to a non-localized off-topic list page, for everyone that wants to subscribe to it (lot's of interesting discussions there) http://groups.google.com/group/loopers-delight-off-topic BTW, I'm CC-ing this post to the off-topic list so this discussion can proceed over that channel. The e-mail address for sending stuff over the off-topic list is loopers-delight-off-topic@googlegroups.com (but you have to register there first) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 11:37:20 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DEFBC3BFF0; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:37:19 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=38x/UyOXA/Nf+wKbFBX+UllkhZGodYGeGbeocr0JYSYg2Xiy8Nfmt7rZZ+Y58RVBPFSEG5DbayTvAOyeWM+RCrQIyZE8Y/KuqHMODx1+d2bq1HPsGugKk4y8Du4y5Xsvl97wdbhs1FQyFn6rwSxaAclkWhSpvmqnMMzdXnEBMeA=; X-YMail-OSG: jLdHzdQVM1nwn1ADsdn3penQTFkb_7yKVk8CUp4srQ86F9sKmty.c9pXf_w01R9T56I4WLTshlcHIkUZ50x8EfGKXHsfLbLSVNCLpuJvprSVhiu5fcQlaEyi Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:37:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <776135.20668.qm@web38614.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75039 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:37:19 +0000 (UTC) es porque cualquier otro idioma no se toma en serio;-) saludos Luis --- Doug Cox wrote: > es interesante que esta conversación entera ha > ocurrido en inglés. > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 11:50:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 15BA83BFF0; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=DRW1dpi1Z4pUrT75VUweVVQxmBNXg3jU5/BMx82XTW7JPCQJ0bt+S3+9gBCidU+a1DYne2tqp+PynhL/MM7hz3n/nRyohkElfKtGo9srTPh7Io94hBMj3Zq9pXln5Ua62PO9b12TwnR+Q+x5QSNDtDsKYiVylRAOdMy8dZn13lo=; X-YMail-OSG: yT5fD20VM1m2rBcmGtbf0b_Y0HSNyroi_THpJOADIFgKn8j9OhIUDGvazxOz9DQkfUnhpHVoncfXxpFmilepILVkjjxdMrO2yNXtJQpglHKpciizyaLay2iMhp57.Q-- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:50:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <588744.86768.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75040 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Sorry to contradict you but Swizerland has 3 official lenguages and is a country that functions and comunicates perhaps better than the U.S. Luis > > Don't get me wrong. I am in love with and cherish > the precious > > global village that we are all apart. And I'm in > your camp > > regarding their preservation. But it would be a > disaster if we were > > to all split up into micro cultures unable to > communicate with each > > other in the US. > > > > Chuck Silva:-) > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Rev Fever wrote: > > > >> Possibly the next universal language is to be > Chinese, > >> since China is obviously rapidly rising to be one > of the next > >> super powers, > >> if not eventually *the* super power, and > currently has over 20% of > >> the world's population. > >> > >> I seriously doubt that the Chinese gov't will > make English > >> mandatory and it's national language, > >> but probably will at least require some learning > of it as part of > >> the basic educational curriculum (if not > already?) > >> and mainly for the purposes of business dealings > in our ever- > >> globalizing world. Seems likely. > >> > >> The Sleeping Dragon is fully awake now and ready > to further > >> stretch it's muscles.... > >> (Thanx, Wal-Mart! :-) ) > >> > >> Mandarin, or Hakka, or Cantonese, anyone? > >> > >> Here is a good place to start: > >> http://www.chinalanguage.com/ > >> > >> Just some thoughts that occurred to me while > reading these posts > >> about English becoming the "universal language" > the world, > >> which personally to me, smacks a bit of the same > Anglo / Euro- > >> ethnocentricity train of thought that has sadly > been going on > >> all over the world for several hundred years now, > and often at the > >> peril of countless numbers of the inhabitants of > other countries. > >> (Sorry anyone, but that's the way it sounds to > me. So, sue me. :-) ) > >> > >> I would much rather be more influenced by > cultures other than the > >> one I currently exist in. > >> > >> Over here in the USA, we have a bunch of > delusional and psychotic > >> xenophobic Right (AKA: wrong) wing control freaks > that are > >> DEMANDING that "their" America be an English ONLY > country. They > >> hate even the very *idea* of ESL and loudly say > so. What a bunch > >> of self-superior dominator culture morons. > >> (and are mainly Rethuglicans and just love their > guns!) > >> > >> As for Spanish previously mentioned by Luis, I am > glad that I know > >> at least *some* of it (but still learning...) and > enough to > >> roughly get by with in > >> conversations with Spanish speaking people. > "Pidjin Spanish" > >> really, but usually enough to make my point,etc. > >> This originated with me as a kid growing up 150 > miles north of the > >> Mexican border, way out in West Texas. I am at > least glad for that > >> happening. > === message truncated === www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 12:02:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 6F0FB3BFF5; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:02:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=todAJ5C7OKa42WsBML/xX6HVtAwIbnI4+rU1LoUEsN3sdyCjyeJ033/rI2lxzmIXjQqfd6aFwDAHrUNtsWO73J435EZY8sL4teoWV6gRSBA/y2x/p+7MTFyyRg2+askUnvaXjCJO/haI89u3b5Kt79mZ6cGSrQUzbTNepnZ6ekI=; X-YMail-OSG: ZAPmTW4VM1l4MZ97toJBL5sQoiQ4XhCucZuoTWEm55yA7RnKN0mrHOETBOl4DKPClj7yEVdhLVni._a.b9zTTQTZSRA24Z2E40mXEnkWNqwB2FZTiKSP63NAwzZXfw-- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: AW: "Anglofixilization" (was: Re: Stick looping videos) To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <000b01c802b9$1d57ae70$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <84493.61254.qm@web38615.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75041 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:02:26 +0000 (UTC) really? it also has Magyar and Arabic,do you also think this lenguages are more spoken than spanish? Luis --- Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill wrote: > > more shocking to me is that i just got mobil phone > that > > provides all lenguages even turkish but not > spanish the > > second most widely spoken language in the > world;-)!! > > Luis > > mobile phones are delievered with area-specific > software/parametrization > provided by the local telecom company. And for the > German market, Turkish is > the second most widely spoken language. > > Rainer > > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 12:03:14 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 017883BFFC; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/V4RchqpXVlVJOAR/R26eMEXZdkUEx7HWrtVJT5M z9NKg1e6vllkSz Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <588744.86768.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <588744.86768.qm@web38608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: "Anglofixilization" (Chinese and other cultures) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 14:03:56 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75042 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:03:13 +0000 (UTC) Make that four, Luis: (Swiss) German, Italian, French and Rheto-Romanic. Best regards from Switzland Nico Am 30.09.2007 um 13:50 schrieb L.A. Angulo: > Sorry to contradict you but Swizerland has 3 official > lenguages and is a country that functions and > comunicates perhaps better than the U.S. > Luis > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:00:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 8B0D03BFDA; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 07:01:51 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <7_E9zB.A.JjG.n35_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75043 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:00:23 +0000 (UTC) Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:06:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EF223BFE5; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=07Y9Q2Ek1NzVQ9Eamk2G0SrWx4OySVxxmJgcYXxi3dvO+fXu/RKmC+CAypmXSG+ADMnJsxwFt+QZtEGcR0tW6kyTM1PDCaGAF3dds+XsUme4Jhwp5rmNuR7lNvwekFZlTtXW21X0e4OBbBiHuik1tziIvnX7OFWf3NwWyp8x5S8=; X-YMail-OSG: GxWtuYIVM1mVLWcGFbDq16mqZLJyQ0GK0XIdTjX2.PJmogO9KnfQo3SZR_fDC.YNng1mO66LU.vRkNisEt5cW.923FfV7MHb074LqiU_8vRosDyYPFleBlPtzpAXPw-- Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:06:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "L.A. Angulo" Subject: Re: Drum machines To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com In-Reply-To: <007001c7fedd$89cba280$6500a8c0@MusicComputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <724629.4592.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75044 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:06:52 +0000 (UTC) wow cool man i am glad to hear that i hope you are happy with it! its a great little machine,the only thing i dislike about it is the project saving function, i find it quite tedious,and the fact that you can only import wavs.i havent been doing much with it lately but there is a new software upgrade i believe,keep sharing any new tricks you might come up with! cheers Luis > I also have been impressed with the use of drum > machines by many on this list. In fact, it was Luis > who turned me on to the MPC 1000. www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:33:31 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 309A43BFF1; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: loopers-delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <004c01c80366$7c9e0f20$6401a8c0@MusicComputer> From: "Tom Rex" To: References: <724629.4592.qm@web38609.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Drum machines MPC 1000 Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:33:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75045 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:33:31 +0000 (UTC) The software upgrade is well worth getting, Luis. What I like most is that you can now mix in or sample the audio input thru, live like a DJ mixer, and apply effects or filters to the sound. I use it to bring in the audio from my Yamaha electronic kit, and boost the gain, and then send it out to my mixer. That saved me from having to buy an expensive stereo preamp! looks like it has some live looping possibilities. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. Angulo" wow cool man i am glad to hear that i hope you are happy with it! its a great little machine,the only thing i dislike about it is the project saving function, i find it quite tedious,and the fact that you can only import wavs.i havent been doing much with it lately but there is a new software upgrade i believe,keep sharing any new tricks you might come up with! cheers Luis www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 13:35:40 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4AE643BFF1; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <46FFA7D8.5050208@post.cybercity.dk> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:42:48 +0200 From: van Sinn Reply-To: vansinn@post.cybercity.dk Organization: van Sinn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic studio new version References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <7eWs7B.A.rS.rY6_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75046 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Anybody using this upgrade? 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    From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:27:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 2F2643BFDB; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <026c01c80376$618835c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46FF768F.80905@post.cybercity.dk> Subject: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:27:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 0, in=2, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.71.148 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75047 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:27:18 +0000 (UTC) Well, these sockets are beyond tight, relative to the size of the pins of thes MIDI cables I have. In fact, I'm on the verge of damaging the FCB MIDI input pin holes because of it. WD40 isn't going to do the job either There are clearly two degrees of narrowness of MIDI pins in the cable market. I have some 1 foot cables that have thinner pins that fit fine. I'll just have to find a longer cable with those same type of pins. I was hoping someone could at least tell me what brand they are using, given they are not having the same problem as I. K- > Krispen Hartung wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a good MIDI cable for the Behringer FCB? The reason >> why I ask is that all the MIDI cables I have are made by the same company >> (HOSA I think) and the pins are too thick to fit easily into the FCB. >> It's frustrating. I do recall seeing MIDI cables that have pins that are >> thinner than others. I need a good cable with that feature, so I don't >> end up destroying the MIDI jack of the FCB and my FW 400. >> Thanks, >> Kris > > > I think Behringer simply chose a pretty tight midi socket to avoid the > cable getting ripped out during a performance. A good point IMHO.. > > -- > rgds, > van Sinn > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:28:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4D5E03BFDE; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:28:44 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=4Xus46jNo/uY7P7oGLtdSnQA5GONnR6FNi5mU3lLgeY=; b=jiXxIfLKFvw9PkPZB8l7fqJ5b4xW/NvXaIzNYd5TG8SGE53RNAo1adxUyTiDu96ARXgTOLMKW7davn3SFno1jJiqN7CYV2awrVdiTcapErN5ASIxQ3W8nsGK6sPb9lJxktlRhg2sfvvt962ph6yEcO8aNmeujTdP7+4doU8K7EM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=PHSz5z8vhrQAbK4AUn28kfPa0hojd6+eq9X2uOVEK8ZfCddBwbPKN5NlxsHbkdeLiGPu3SHjMjhx974gvxZRbH4nrT/j/FgnTIIqaZ79882jp7rmkPSNjkR29CUnVIN/6bPHTqwprAt/6p5Hy4Eo9PJ+tCr0Yt4iWGK89e/XGG4= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:28:36 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75048 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:28:44 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2007, at 15.01, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to > "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? Yes. I use Logic 8 for producing recorded music and Logic 7 on stage. I need to sync Logic by MIDI Clock to my looper and MIDI Clock slave sync is not supported by L8. Otherwise I would had used this latest version live because it doesn't need the USB dongle. My thoughts on MainStage is that it is very good for what it's capable of. That is, letting you play those wonderful software instruments on stage by a physical MIDI instrument. It has all the instruments and all the effects of Logic. You can set up patches including keyboard splits and layers to be loaded by sending a MIDI Program Change message into the laptop. Audio tails from the recent patch is kept sounding while you're loading a new patch. MainStage makes a very good "virtual electric guitar amp + effect rack" . MainStage do not have Logic's environment, meaning you can't run arpeggiators, chord memorizers and other cool stuff that musicians like to use Logic for on stage (Michael Brecker for an example). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 15:35:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1A6A63BFE3; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=CURSWj+iom48QHmRfdM3Y/v80b2/iEX0Z9ecBR/ZsDo=; b=Zrh1YIDkyxKxKXB/3ysOI9+fW0uv8D+MrlUcLu2hb6EI2REmGRe4wM639Ent8nY8c6qOn875AhOg9GCM51tTfPCzko7Ue3k8FUIqylzo070hTGgnI2CWXJisAtet3AV9Ipc6E0g4Egxv10BfXeBaRHUqkonjOPzBkYLWPKpQPus= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ZdaYy4JE3s/+NF4Z4QfVU/bBb4AJAEjLyi5MS7yKPWFo7hgNYazmcbn/tMSsiqVBt+wdLGdmLXmn1boTgQn51UVEGM0KfALpOVmOK/+jDva2CugxCGVkFaFl2eHpXCgzYBbJEIJFycAe/pMrgue+sybcmIPlj+6gwB2R6jStAXE= In-Reply-To: <026c01c80376$618835c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <01ee01c80312$a1294430$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> <46FF768F.80905@post.cybercity.dk> <026c01c80376$618835c0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <7E2A78DE-5D3C-4B1C-8CC5-F826B67FBF03@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables for Behringer FCB Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:35:44 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <_XmUf.A.JK.WJ8_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75049 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:35:51 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2007, at 17.27, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I was hoping someone could at least tell me what brand they are > using, given they are not having the same problem as I. I should have answered that post if I had known "what brand I use". I usually throw away any cable that doesn't fit the bill, so I have no idea about brands. Why don't you bring your FCB 1010 pedal into a music store and politely ask them to try out a couple of MIDI cables? ;-) Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 16:05:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3B20F3C002; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-Id: <200709301605.l8UG5N33066020@mail.cruzio.com> Reply-To: From: "William Walker" To: Subject: RE: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 09:05:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01C80341.0A40DE00" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: AcgDefDk4wvg+jE5R2694Vt7wnHEEgAAKMIw In-Reply-To: Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75050 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:05:26 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C80341.0A40DE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd recommend any midi cable that has all metal jacks instead of molded plastic over metal. Cables from Conquest, Canare or Monster would do the trick, the other problem with Hosa type midi cables is the plastic sleeves can sometimes impede the ability to seat properly and some gear actually won't accommodate the diameter of the plastic sleeve. Money spent on good quality cables has always been money well spent for me. I use George L's for my audio patch stuff, and I've been very impressed with the new Planet Waves cables, particularly the ones with the circuit breaker switch. Haven't tried their midi cables yet though. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C80341.0A40DE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    I'd recommend any midi cable that has all metal jacks instead of = molded plastic over metal. Cables from Conquest, Canare or Monster would do the = trick, the other problem with Hosa type midi cables is the plastic sleeves can sometimes impede the ability to seat properly and some gear actually = won't accommodate the diameter of the plastic sleeve. Money spent on good quality cables = has always been money well spent for me. I use George L's for my audio patch = stuff, and I've been very impressed with the new Planet Waves cables, = particularly the ones with the circuit breaker switch. Haven’t tried their midi = cables yet though.

    Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C80341.0A40DE00-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 16:09:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E240E3C002; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Rainer Thelonius Balthasar Straschill" To: Subject: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:09:55 +0200 Organization: Moinlabs Message-ID: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Thread-Index: AcgDfFdbB7vHB3oMT/KhCcJRYERR0w== X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPL8kuBgLYdKEqUywq9cxqeRA+BtFcSCD5deQ7OICJYdUOqIE= X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo07 Resent-Message-ID: <8T26b.A.u8B.Cp8_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75051 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:09:38 +0000 (UTC) Hi everyone, first of all, thanks to all who took my online survey regarding looping and loopers. With 89 answers, at least some of the answers will bear some statistical relevance. Please find below some of the results summarized. All values are percentages of the total answers. In the "looper rating" category, the results are averaged to a percentage value as well (with ++=100%, +=75% and so on up to --=0%). Some rounding errors may result in percentages not adding up exactly up to 100%. In some questions, multiple answers were possible so the total percentage exceeds 100%. Some people skipped some questions, so the total result may also below 100%. No analysis regarding relationship of the answers has been done (e.g. are the older people more oriented towards hardware). Indexes in parentheses indicate a ranking. For the ranking of the loopers, only loopers which got at least 10% of the available answers were considered. Again, thanks to all who participated - and on with the results! Rainer 1. SUMMARY: Regarding demographics, the biggest groups are age 35-50 (55%) and more than ten years of looping experience (42%). The biggest use for an ensemble setting is in solo performances by a huge margin (97%). The most important applications for looping are layering different parts from the same instrument (85%) and structuring improvisations (72%). The second item makes sense, considering that 79% use looping for freely improvised material - only 21% use it in entirely composed material. For the majority of 52%, looping is used in most of their current work. 80% of the loopers prefer hardware loopers over software loopers. As for explaining a looper to someone with basic audio tech understanding, the majority would describe it as some kind of delay (36%), followed by the sampler analogy (30%) and a completely different explanation (27%). (Question: what are these "other explanations?") The statistics regarding use and ranking of loopers have been done separately for SW and HW. Yet comparing both results, the most-used software looper would rank place 5 in a total ranking of the most-used loopers. The HW top3 usage-wise are the EDP (54%), followed by the DL4 (42%) and the Repeater (40%). Ranking-wise, the best ranking for a hardware looper goes to the Looperlative (94%! - hats off, bob!), followed by the EDP (89%) and with a little more distance the Repeater (79%). In the software domain, the top3 used looper software packages are a draw between Mobius and Ableton Live (31%), followed by SooperLooper (17%). Rating-wise, it's Mobius with 90% in the front, followed by MAX/MSP (88%) and AugustusLoop (83%). 2. DEMOGRAPHICS: Age Categories: <20 : 0% 20-35 : 19% 35-50 : 55% >50 : 26% Loop Experience (years): <1 : 5% 1-3 : 15% 3-5 : 19% 5-10 : 20% >10 : 42% 3. ENSEMBLE SETTINGS/USE OF LOOPING: Ensemble Setting: solo : 97% ensemble : 51% process others : 16% Use of looping: layer same instrument : 85% layer different instr. : 52% sound design : 55% process others : 15% structure improvisation : 72% structure noise sources : 58% Improvisation vs. Composition: free improvisation : 79% composed w/ improv part : 54% entirely composed : 21% How often do you loop: all of current work : 38% most of current work : 52% only occasionaly : 9% 4. LOOPER TECHNOLOGY: Eplanation of a Looper: delay : 36% sampler : 30% DAW : 6% other : 27% Preference hardware vs software: hardware : 80% software : 18% 5. HARDWARE LOOPERS: Usage of HW Loopers: EDP : 54% Repeater : 40% Looperlative : 10% Boomerang : 21% Lexicon Jamman : 30% Lexicon Vortex : 36% Headrush : 17% 2290 : 6% DL4 : 42% Boss RC series : 30% Boss DD20 : 21% Digitech Jamman : 10% Digitech RDS/PDS : 17% EH 2880 : 3% Frippertronics : 12% Eventides : 7% Tape Delay : 19% Rating of HW Loopers: EDP : 89% Repeater : 79% Looperlative : 94% Boomerang : 63% Lexicon Jamman : 70% Lexicon Vortex : 66% Headrush : 62% 2290 : 50% DL4 : 70% Boss RC series : 72% Boss DD20 : 64% Digitech Jamman : 56% Digitech RDS/PDS : 65% EH 2880 : 67% Frippertronics : 75% Eventides : 79% Tape Delay : 66% 6. SOFTWARE LOOPERS: Usage of SW Loopers: Ableton Live : 31% PSP delays : 11% Mobius : 31% AugustusLoop : 15% SooperLooper : 17% LloopyLlama : 11% Radical : 4% MAX/MSP : 12% Rating of SW Loopers: Ableton Live : 64% PSP delays : 48% Mobius : 90% AugustusLoop : 83% SooperLooper : 65% LloopyLlama : 58% Radical : 50% MAX/MSP : 88% From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 17:01:53 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DFB463C007; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:03:22 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75052 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Per; From the info on the website I was thinking along the lines of live guitar processing and the pedalboard/ effects rack stuff. I used Logic (just for for audio editing) back before Apple obtained it and was basically overwhelmed by the complexity. Now that its been "Apple-ized" I was interested in checking it out again, especially along the lines of making the switch to the "hardware to computer performance set up" that everyone's been talking about the past few months. Thanks for the info. - Paul On Sep 30, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > On 30 sep 2007, at 15.01, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > >> Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to >> "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? > > Yes. I use Logic 8 for producing recorded music and Logic 7 on > stage. I need to sync Logic by MIDI Clock to my looper and MIDI > Clock slave sync is not supported by L8. Otherwise I would had used > this latest version live because it doesn't need the USB dongle. > > My thoughts on MainStage is that it is very good for what it's > capable of. That is, letting you play those wonderful software > instruments on stage by a physical MIDI instrument. It has all the > instruments and all the effects of Logic. You can set up patches > including keyboard splits and layers to be loaded by sending a MIDI > Program Change message into the laptop. Audio tails from the recent > patch is kept sounding while you're loading a new patch. MainStage > makes a very good "virtual electric guitar amp + effect rack" . > > MainStage do not have Logic's environment, meaning you can't run > arpeggiators, chord memorizers and other cool stuff that musicians > like to use Logic for on stage (Michael Brecker for an example). > > Greetings from Sweden > > Per Boysen > www.boysen.se (Swedish) > www.looproom.com (international) > > > > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 17:25:54 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id ABACC3C00B; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Authenticated: #1228034 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18y4yUMf0oyO9OAl3ArlkzZCeseKcvzna+haeM90Z 14i2DCXtvDDZnd Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: nico spahni Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:26:37 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <6MTO0C.A.jdF.iw9_GB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75053 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Paul, (sorry for bargin in) I don't think that Logic has been "Apple-ized" in any major way. I'm familiar with both the pre-Apple versions and Logic Pro 7. The later provides an audio environment that leaves very little to be desired. The other side of the coin is the (relative) complexity you mention. I only use Logic for producing recorded music; in live settings I've settled for Ableton Live. Cheers Nico Am 30.09.2007 um 19:03 schrieb Paul Mimlitsch: > Per; > From the info on the website I was thinking along the lines of live > guitar processing and the pedalboard/ effects rack stuff. I used > Logic (just for for audio editing) back before Apple obtained it and > was basically overwhelmed by the complexity. Now that its been > "Apple-ized" I was interested in checking it out again, especially > along the lines of making the switch to the "hardware to computer > performance set up" that everyone's been talking about the past few > months. Thanks for the info. - Paul > > On Sep 30, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Per Boysen wrote: > >> On 30 sep 2007, at 15.01, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: >> >>> Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to >>> "Main Stage" as a live performance tool? >> >> Yes. I use Logic 8 for producing recorded music and Logic 7 on stage. >> I need to sync Logic by MIDI Clock to my looper and MIDI Clock slave >> sync is not supported by L8. Otherwise I would had used this latest >> version live because it doesn't need the USB dongle. >> >> My thoughts on MainStage is that it is very good for what it's >> capable of. That is, letting you play those wonderful software >> instruments on stage by a physical MIDI instrument. It has all the >> instruments and all the effects of Logic. You can set up patches >> including keyboard splits and layers to be loaded by sending a MIDI >> Program Change message into the laptop. Audio tails from the recent >> patch is kept sounding while you're loading a new patch. MainStage >> makes a very good "virtual electric guitar amp + effect rack" . >> >> MainStage do not have Logic's environment, meaning you can't run >> arpeggiators, chord memorizers and other cool stuff that musicians >> like to use Logic for on stage (Michael Brecker for an example). >> >> Greetings from Sweden >> >> Per Boysen >> www.boysen.se (Swedish) >> www.looproom.com (international) >> >> >> >> > From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 17:38:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 7EAF53C00B; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:38:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=drcZ7n5H6uO1CTHb78DXgNppc41oVvTHsA44KKUpqF3uxaAMHQdYweRmyPxSwkXx; h=Received:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <00431CD9-DEEC-4774-BA13-6FCA55AD95B0@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com From: David Coffin Subject: OT: Cool new stompbox! 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I'm familiar with both the pre-Apple > versions and Logic Pro 7. The later provides an audio environment > that leaves very little to be desired. The other side of the coin > is the (relative) complexity you mention. I only use Logic for > producing recorded music; in live settings I've settled for Ableton > Live. No matter what I "think" regarding "Apple-ization" or not, but fact is that Logic 8 now has a graphic and functional design very similar to other Apple software (Final Cut Pro, Soundtrack Pro 2, Garageband, iPhoto, iMovie etc etc). Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 19:54:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id D9BCC3BFF1; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:54:32 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02a001c8039b$b720bf50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:54:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=3, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.71.148 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75057 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:54:32 +0000 (UTC) > In the software domain, the top3 used looper software packages are a draw > between Mobius and Ableton Live (31%), followed by SooperLooper (17%). > Rating-wise, it's Mobius with 90% in the front, followed by MAX/MSP (88%) > and AugustusLoop (83%). What is interesting and also misleading about this is that MAX/MSP is technically not a looper. One can build his/her own looper in MAX/MSP, but the features and functionality of that will vary wildly...so that stat is not really that relevant to anyone who wants to use MAX/MSP as a looper, because they have to build their own or use on of the many looping patches that max users have built. In short, when we call max a looper, that could mean a simple patch that emulates the DL4 to a complex patch that emulates several features from Mobius, EDP, Repeater, etc. Kris Kris From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 19:56:35 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 59F733C008; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <02c501c8039c$0062b6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> From: "Krispen Hartung" To: References: <200709301605.l8UG5N33066020@mail.cruzio.com> Subject: Re: Re: Recommended MIDI Cables Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:56:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C80369.B593C970" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-SpamDetect: **: 2.700000 Aspam=2.7 X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=4, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.71.148 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75058 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:56:35 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C80369.B593C970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Bill. You win the prize for answering my question. I'll check = out Planet Wave and the others you mention. / Kris =20 I'd recommend any midi cable that has all metal jacks instead of = molded plastic over metal. Cables from Conquest, Canare or Monster would = do the trick, the other problem with Hosa type midi cables is the = plastic sleeves can sometimes impede the ability to seat properly and = some gear actually won't accommodate the diameter of the plastic sleeve. = Money spent on good quality cables has always been money well spent for = me. I use George L's for my audio patch stuff, and I've been very = impressed with the new Planet Waves cables, particularly the ones with = the circuit breaker switch. Haven't tried their midi cables yet though. Bill ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C80369.B593C970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Thanks, Bill. You win the prize for = answering my=20 question.  I'll check out Planet Wave and the others you mention. / = Kris

     

    I'd recommend any midi cable that has all = metal jacks=20 instead of molded plastic over metal. Cables from Conquest, Canare or = Monster=20 would do the trick, the other problem with Hosa type midi cables is = the=20 plastic sleeves can sometimes impede the ability to seat properly and = some=20 gear actually won't accommodate the diameter of the plastic sleeve. = Money=20 spent on good quality cables has always been money well spent for me. = I use=20 George L's for my audio patch stuff, and I've been very impressed with = the new=20 Planet Waves cables, particularly the ones with the circuit breaker = switch.=20 Haven=92t tried their midi cables yet = though.

    Bill

    ------=_NextPart_000_02C0_01C80369.B593C970-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 19:59:33 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 3185F3BF79; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) In-Reply-To: References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Matthew F. McCabe" Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:59:28 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: <_b6bKB.A.S-C.kAAAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75059 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:59:33 +0000 (UTC) On Sep 30, 2007, at 10:03 AM, Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > From the info on the website I was thinking along the lines of > live guitar processing and the pedalboard/ effects rack stuff. I > used Logic (just for for audio editing) back before Apple o Me too. However, from what I've been able to gather, MainStage cannot send MIDI Out messages like patch changes to hardware effect processors. Very unfortunate. I've noticed that this seems to be a limitation of Rax 2.0 as well. Perhaps sending MIDI Out causes stability issues? It just seems strange that two very similar products would have the same limitation. Matt From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:25:09 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E66F3C017; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=4SYSuTrc+QDMURLSJVAum6hGKKXu9OsA5sx/SK7CoKl6gXZ5bPLlhD0aGbSa5iwANKDAM4zpjmc4WdSstoAoxXVPj532gR/ZwjrF+BlSQaDyJ4pGITOtxdNbvYghy7cDoOq/Q1HorR5qPd7erhvRYmtoZE9KbMZnmqdcHc3pWzc=; X-YMail-OSG: F8gXByAVM1lPhosKk9e3QQhw9nafQGN2Ab.aLWByPt4.2rs4NIVrhHXs1HpNFpON9MsvvZSt7b1jS9CZEHg1OaYKbrsVYcOv_q27rNRZBXmrGZnbOM1n3Urigb.BAfw_i4iC8.rwoJJjJfuj5z4W65kc Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Scott Subject: I need brighter LEDs To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1812607653-1191183908=:69807" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75060 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) --0-1812607653-1191183908=:69807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a thing. Did a lovely open air gig today at Will Gile's Exotic Garden in Norwich, great fun, played a good set. BUT I was set up on the balcony of the house, spouting out my sounds across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came out, I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite sampler or guitar FX. Big problem, had to try to create shades while playing. I usually have the opposite problem, and often need to set up a little light so I can see the controls. ... and the cats! At one point I had two moggies climbing between my legs and across my pedal board, and one perched atop the mixer. Playing there again next Sunday; must pack sunshade (but will this encourage rain?) and pepper spray. Stephen www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher --------------------------------- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. --0-1812607653-1191183908=:69807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's a thing. 

    Did a lovely open air gig today at Will Gile's Exotic Garden in Norwich, great fun, played a good set.

    BUT

    I was set up on the balcony of the house, spouting out my sounds across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came out, I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite sampler or guitar FX.  Big problem, had to try to create shades while playing.  I usually have the opposite problem, and often need to set up a little light so I can see the controls.

    ... and the cats!  At one point I had two moggies climbing between my legs and across my pedal board, and one perched atop the mixer.

    Playing there again next Sunday; must pack sunshade (but will this encourage rain?) and pepper spray.

    Stephen
    www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

    Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. --0-1812607653-1191183908=:69807-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:41:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id F13963C01E; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:41:25 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Message-ID: <007701c803a2$5ab425c0$18b2a8c0@netzrechner> Reply-To: "Tilmann Dehnhard" From: "Tilmann Dehnhard" To: References: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: i need different shoes Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:41:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01C803B3.1692D510" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19WxZrM4DvuN2lb4Q0MBuhrCA78h8DFuhteyDB 7iOHH4yNnqz4iBbfyMmMazi22KeYDz4F/nIMeg/jUbeIEMgg7F ua0w2q3hsh4Iy/qwh8u/mcbQh6oWxog Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75061 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:41:25 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C803B3.1692D510 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable i once got my shoe sole stuck to the dl4 - literally had to shake the = thing off to get free. great hiking boots for winter, but a clear nono for looping... i played the rest of the gig in socks (well - and regular clothes, not = what YOU might think). tilmann From: Stephen Scott=20 Subject: I need brighter LEDs ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C803B3.1692D510 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    i once got my shoe sole stuck to the = dl4 -=20 literally had to shake the = thing off to get=20 free.
    great hiking boots for winter, but a = clear nono for=20 looping...
    i played the rest of the gig in socks = (well - and=20 regular clothes, not what YOU might = think).
     
    tilmann
    From:=20 Stephen = Scott=20
     
    Subject: I need brighter = LEDs

    ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01C803B3.1692D510-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:45:41 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 5F0203C021; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v624) In-Reply-To: <02c501c8039c$0062b6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <200709301605.l8UG5N33066020@mail.cruzio.com> <02c501c8039c$0062b6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-277054035 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?tEd_=AE_KiLLiAn?= Subject: OT: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:45:35 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) X-Chzlrs: 0 Resent-Message-ID: <_6cgdD.A.2kE.0rAAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75062 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:45:41 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-277054035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, While some of us are on the topic of MIDI cables already, I have a =20 cable question for the group. Almost all of y guitars are equipped with Roland GK hex pickups. Of course the cables for connecting such guitars to their synth boxes =20= are available from any number of retailers in lengths of 10 feet, 15 =20 feet and 30 feet. My question: DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN =20 SHORTER LENGTHS? I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts as a signal splitter =20= so that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than one "brain" (GR =20 synth-based or VG COSM-based). I hate the idea of having no other choice than to connect items that =20 sit on the floor only inches apart with a cable that is 10' long (or =20 more). Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, not instrument floor =20= cables underfoot. Besides shorter cable lengths sound better. If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in lengths of 3' or =20 shorter I would be eternally grateful. Thanks! tEd =AE KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?=20 playListId=3D6378076 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) =20= CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?=20 step=3Dview_profile&id=3D1211970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So???=20= --Apple-Mail-1-277054035 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, While some of us are on the topic of MIDI cables already, I have a cable question for the group. Almost all of y guitars are equipped with Roland GK hex pickups. Of course the cables for connecting such guitars to their synth boxes are available from any number of retailers in lengths of 10 feet, 15 feet and 30 feet. My question: DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER LENGTHS? I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts as a signal splitter so that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than one "brain" (GR synth-based or VG COSM-based).=20 I hate the idea of having no other choice than to connect items that sit on the floor only inches apart with a cable that is 10' long (or more). Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, not instrument floor cables underfoot. Besides shorter cable lengths sound better. If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in lengths of 3' or shorter I would be eternally grateful. Thanks! Copperplate TtEd =AE = KiLLiAnCourier<= /param> www.tedkillian.com = CourierFFFF,0C0C,0000Diff= erent is not always better, but better is always different" =20 7F7F,7A7A,7A7AFlux Aeterna:=20 = http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=3D6= 378076=20 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at:=20 http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm=20 =20 http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html=20 http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian=20 http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html=20 http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina=20 http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=3D2845073=20 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=3DCBNM_17314=20 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=3D193=20 = http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=3Dview_profile&id= =3D1211970 00042=20 =20 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes,=20 BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster,=20 AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream,=20 RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks,=20 and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? = = --Apple-Mail-1-277054035-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 20:54:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 1E5673C018; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: "Qua Veda" To: References: <200709301605.l8UG5N33066020@mail.cruzio.com> <02c501c8039c$0062b6f0$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 13:55:10 -0700 Message-ID: <004501c803a4$30b46df0$921d49d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01C80369.845595F0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcgDpDBOJDTjRd+LSxKrk/CniWOKbAAAEnqw Content-Language: en-us X-RBL-Warning: REVDNS: This E-mail was sent from a MUA/MTA 206.212.233.27 with no reverse DNS entry. X-Declude-Sender: qua@oregon.com [206.212.233.27] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0f0d0c9d0000ea2c.smd X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for spam. Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75063 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:54:13 +0000 (UTC) This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C80369.845595F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ted, Not sure if he can get the parts for the GK cables, but I've ordered a lot of high quality custom cables at good prices over the years from audiocableguy.com. You can email him at sales@audiocableguy.com. -Qua From: tEd R KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:46 PM To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: OT: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible Cables Hi all, While some of us are on the topic of MIDI cables already, I have a cable question for the group. Almost all of y guitars are equipped with Roland GK hex pickups. Of course the cables for connecting such guitars to their synth boxes are available from any number of retailers in lengths of 10 feet, 15 feet and 30 feet. My question: DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN SHORTER LENGTHS? I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts as a signal splitter so that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than one "brain" (GR synth-based or VG COSM-based). I hate the idea of having no other choice than to connect items that sit on the floor only inches apart with a cable that is 10' long (or more). Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, not instrument floor cables underfoot. Besides shorter cable lengths sound better. If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in lengths of 3' or shorter I would be eternally grateful. Thanks! tEd R KiLLiAn www.tedkillian.com Different is not always better, but better is always different" Flux Aeterna: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=63780 76 Also check out the 1st set of BEMF (Boise Experimental Music Festival) CDs at: http://www.boisemusicians.com/experimental/cd.htm http://www.pfmentum.com/flux.html http://www.CDbaby.com/cd/tedkillian http://www.guitar9.com/fluxaeterna.html http://www.garageband.com/artist/ArsOcarina http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2845073 http://www.netmusic.com/web/album.aspx?a_id=CBNM_17314 http://www.indiejazz.com/ProductDetailsView.aspx?ProductID=193 http://www.loopers-delight.com/cgi-bin/profiles.cgi?step=view_profile&id=121 1970 00042 Ted Killian's "Flux Aeterna" is also available at: Apple iTunes, BuyMusic, Rhapsody, MusicMatch, MusicNet, DiscLogic, Napster, AudioLunchbox, Lindows, QTRnote, Music4Cents, Etherstream, RuleRadio, EMEPE3, Sony Connect, CatchMusic, Puretracks, and Viztas. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Blah, blah, blah. So??? ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C80369.845595F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

    Hi Ted,

    Not sure if he can get the parts for the GK cables, but = I’ve ordered a lot of high quality custom cables at good prices over the = years from  audiocableguy.com.

    You can email him at  sales@audiocableguy.com. = ;

    -Qua  

     

    From:= tEd ® = KiLLiAn [mailto:tedkillian@charter.net]
    Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 1:46 PM
    To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
    Subject: OT: Recommended Cables - GK Guitar Synth Compatible = Cables

     

    Hi all,

    While some of us are on the topic of MIDI cables already, I have a cable question for the group.

    Almost all of y guitars are equipped with Roland GK hex pickups.

    Of course the cables for connecting such guitars to their synth boxes = are available from any number of retailers in lengths of 10 feet, 15 feet = and 30 feet.

    My question:

    DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE TO GET GK 13-PIN COMPATIBLE CABLES IN EVEN = SHORTER LENGTHS?

    I have a recently acquired box (a GKP-4) that acts as a signal = splitter so that my GK-equipped guitars can drive more than one "brain" = (GR synth-based or VG COSM-based).

    I hate the idea of having no other choice than to connect items that sit = on the floor only inches apart with a cable that is 10' long (or more).

    Spaghetti is meant for Italian pasta on a plate, not instrument floor = cables underfoot.

    Besides shorter cable lengths sound better.

    If I could find a source for Gk 13-pin cables in lengths of 3' or = shorter I would be eternally grateful.

    Thanks!


    tEd ® KiLLiAn

    www.tedkillian.com

    Different is not always better, but better is always different" =

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    ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01C80369.845595F0-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 21:19:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 546D63C01D; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-279160654 Message-Id: <3E149069-AFE5-4652-AB9F-4AC3553CE50C@mac.com> From: Paul Mimlitsch Subject: Re: I need brighter LEDs Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 15:20:41 -0600 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75064 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:19:13 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-279160654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Stephen; Aside from the issue of not being able to see the LED's in the sunlight, beware that you may experience a shutdown due to heat build up in the pedals. I had both my DD20 and RC20xl shut down when playing in the sun even though it was a cool day. You can tell it's about to happen when the LED on the DD20 starts going all black. Both pedals recovered when cooled down and work fine (though I've since moved to using an RC50 for looping and haven't put the DD20 and 20xl through any hard testing to see if the heat caused any long lasting damage - ie: are they more susceptible to heat now????). - Paul <> On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Scott wrote: > Here's a thing. > > Did a lovely open air gig today at Will Gile's Exotic Garden in > Norwich, great fun, played a good set. > > BUT > > I was set up on the balcony of the house, spouting out my sounds > across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came > out, I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite > sampler or guitar FX. Big problem, had to try to create shades > while playing. I usually have the opposite problem, and often need > to set up a little light so I can see the controls. > > ... and the cats! At one point I had two moggies climbing between > my legs and across my pedal board, and one perched atop the mixer. > > Playing there again next Sunday; must pack sunshade (but will this > encourage rain?) and pepper spray. > > Stephen > www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher > > Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with > Yahoo! Autos. --Apple-Mail-1-279160654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Stephen;
    Aside from the = issue of not being able to see the LED's in the sunlight, beware that = you may experience a shutdown due to heat build up in the pedals.=A0 I = had both my DD20 and RC20xl shut down when playing in the sun even = though it was a cool day.=A0 You can tell it's about to happen when the = LED on the DD20 starts going all black.=A0 Both pedals recovered when = cooled down and work fine (though I've since moved to using an RC50 for = looping and haven't put the DD20 and 20xl through any hard testing to = see if the heat caused any long lasting damage - ie: are they more = susceptible to heat now????).
    - Paul=A0



    On Sep 30, = 2007, at 2:25 PM, Stephen Scott wrote:

    Here's a = thing.=A0

    Did a lovely open air gig today at Will Gile's Exotic = Garden in Norwich, great fun, played a good set.

    BUT

    I was = set up on the balcony of the house, spouting out my sounds across the = lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came out, I wouldn't = be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite sampler or guitar = FX.=A0 Big problem, had to try to create shades while playing.=A0 I = usually have the opposite problem, and often need to set up a little = light so I can see the controls.

    ... and the cats!=A0 At one = point I had two moggies climbing between my legs and across my pedal = board, and one perched atop the mixer.

    Playing there again next = Sunday; must pack sunshade (but will this encourage rain?) and pepper = spray.

    Stephen
    www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

    Don't let your = dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. =

    = --Apple-Mail-1-279160654-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 21:49:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 782833C027; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:49:00 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=QaDY2b3eldL1iE2euE2TblWWdFWlngMlEQlv4uuXtbU=; b=dcxS8VsnR4m57jAz5DUlbMrwo8qmWs93qgXVgUsKEDDwndUrq7bb5mkm4wV5pxP7zZKGQlg8L1WjUucYzm2DALUQb/VhdIauxiOjUFm6D9qbVWsXYOZYT5erppwEgCb6i34/FTe2JLErA86tzL1kLWtEROrmAKOc1Djh39bLCeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-priority:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=SZLymfcPArBDteEOoBWtjT6OAbcFfFsMxk4EKB4c/gIDozOeVUgVxQQIHpKE4PVK478wALcrd9zhKAakwN1adHJoVhrhiGEJ5HJAwsMndUvbM4y1XSLV08L9FQQ9s9pYkWAkk0ocCxSK1vWI/fXQpE2N98+akQuAVZvT5m8orjc= In-Reply-To: <02a001c8039b$b720bf50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> <02a001c8039b$b720bf50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:48:54 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <3UGsh.A.cgG.LnBAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75065 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:49:00 +0000 (UTC) >> In the software domain, the top3 used looper software packages are >> a draw >> between Mobius and Ableton Live (31%), followed by SooperLooper >> (17%). >> Rating-wise, it's Mobius with 90% in the front, followed by MAX/ >> MSP (88%) >> and AugustusLoop (83%). On 30 sep 2007, at 21.54, Krispen Hartung wrote: > What is interesting and also misleading about this is that MAX/MSP is > technically not a looper. One can build his/her own looper in MAX/ > MSP, but > the features and functionality of that will vary wildly...so that > stat is > not really that relevant to anyone who wants to use MAX/MSP as a > looper, > because they have to build their own or use on of the many looping > patches > that max users have built. In short, when we call max a looper, > that could > mean a simple patch that emulates the DL4 to a complex patch that > emulates > several features from Mobius, EDP, Repeater, etc. This is very true. As we're commenting the summary it should also be noted that Ableton Live is also not a looper in that regard (DL4, EDP etc). After having looped an audio input in Live you can not layer more audio by overdubbing into the loop. You have to record new loops *in parallel* or *after*. So the choice of either Live or Mobius gives a strong hint at which major looping methodology a person subscribes to; Mobius going back to the EDP school of working an interchanging loop, while Live goes back to traditional sampling techniques. Ladies and gentlemen, a big hand for Rainer! Thank you for giving us this interesting survey! Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 21:59:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 4E8FA3C027; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:59:47 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 394 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:59:46 UTC DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=wai7Zmiwf0BMIgPMy9i93gz4NRhyoAEL0swY2fN9VgU=; b=ehoqmzgvfHpF/b9FoVi8f0+rn4SKBU4N09cy10vi/6BoiIPs2p9E33iMQt3LodTFsh5Qu0Qf4OGaju3Pcm6x3867UmFsdrrONR9mXCVMJT/3yDzbbxZ55Gp4c6ReK2XHahCsuwfSNv3/BZVFNWk6/ACUVyIVP0FNLs5/XjKMBmw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=T2W8Rr3Prbzoy9uaoL79NJ+GwmCymLGSsT1SlxhJ8eSaL1Ho9bcn/YaSq/o1yL8TC/mBkC89be/je4Zo8XxdvdIHwUWmPD/luyByJ5eQa6MKwKwLQ9OGYsJrQEsbyQ7SpWxnrDo6+0Zl/475h3TrESPgtxAmokks0FPbaUU9vVE= Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> <199835C1-24D3-46AD-8680-77A580059180@gmail.com> <1FA62BE1-128D-4A3D-8884-6BBB57E342BB@finleysound.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <14C68D1D-C040-44F2-81B4-3FE789C3A571@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Per Boysen Subject: Re: Logic studio new version Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:53:07 +0200 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Resent-Message-ID: <23KKX.A.69G.SxBAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75066 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:59:47 +0000 (UTC) On 30 sep 2007, at 21.59, Matthew F. McCabe wrote: > However, from what I've been able to gather, MainStage cannot send > MIDI Out messages like patch changes to hardware effect > processors. Very unfortunate. MainStage has a MIDI Through function. If you enable it every MIDI Program Change event sent into MainStage will also be passed out the MIDI Out port. If you have hardware effect processors there they will of course change patches according to how you have programmed them to. What you can not do is to set up a graphic, on-screen, object in MainStage and click it with the mouse to have MainStage send out MIDI. Greetings from Sweden Per Boysen www.boysen.se (Swedish) www.looproom.com (international) From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 22:12:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C1D8F3BFDE; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:12:52 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com From: Nemoguitt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:12:46 EDT Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cc5.1db14a76.3431795e_boundary" X-Mailer: Thunderbird - Mac OS X sub 293 X-Spam-Flag: NO Resent-Message-ID: <4k-74D.A.TaH.k9BAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75067 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:12:52 +0000 (UTC) --part1_cc5.1db14a76.3431795e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thnaks rainer!.....i sent a copy to mike nelson at boomerang music.....let the kiddies know where they stand.....at least in our little universe.....m www.ct-collective.com http://mysite.verizon.net/vzepmeci/ http://www.myspace.com/klobuchar11 ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cc5.1db14a76.3431795e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thnaks rainer!.....i sent a copy to mik= e nelson at boomerang music.....let the kiddies know where they stand.....at= least in our little universe.....m



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    See what's=20= new at http://www.aol.com --part1_cc5.1db14a76.3431795e_boundary-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:30:08 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E4C953C016; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:30:07 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 301 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:30:07 UTC In-Reply-To: References: <000c01c8037c$57c97e30$1001a8c0@succubus> <02a001c8039b$b720bf50$6601a8c0@americas.hpqcorp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) X-Priority: 3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-286624027 Message-Id: From: Zoe Keating Subject: Re: Loop Survey - Summary Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:25:05 -0700 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75068 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:30:07 +0000 (UTC) --Apple-Mail-1-286624027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed actually, i think it just gives a strong hint at which OS they prefer (i'd jump on mobius if it would run without windopes)! On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote: > So the choice of either Live or Mobius gives a strong hint at which > major looping methodology a person subscribes to; Mobius going back > to the EDP school of working an interchanging loop, while Live goes > back to traditional sampling techniques. --Apple-Mail-1-286624027 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII actually, i think it just gives a strong hint at which OS they prefer (i'd jump on mobius if it would run without windopes)!

    On Sep 30, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Per Boysen wrote:

    So the choice of either Live or Mobius gives a strong hint at which major looping methodology a person subscribes to; Mobius going back to the EDP school of working an interchanging loop, while Live goes back to traditional sampling techniques.


    --Apple-Mail-1-286624027-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:42:56 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0018E3C021; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 6281 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:42:55 UTC Message-ID: <005e01c803ad$1939c0e0$6c052052@customer3530f5> From: "Ian Popperwell" To: References: <229264.69807.qm@web53006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: I need brighter LEDs Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 22:58:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01C803B5.7ADCBE30" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Resent-Message-ID: <7IXtOB.A.ajB._RDAHB@arsenic> Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75069 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:42:55 +0000 (UTC) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C803B5.7ADCBE30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I have this problem and the shoes thing too! I'm partially sighted and = find that I have to work pretty much on memorising exactly which pedals = I've pressed as I can't see the detail from sitting or standing = position. The DL4 was OK as I could see the LEDs associated with each = footswitch. I asked an engineer about installing brighter ones and he = said it depends upon the current consumption and whether the circuit can = cope with it. I remember Cara saying in a post that she always plays with bear feet to = trust which pedals she's pushing - I do this in the summer, at festivals = etc, but it feels a bit strange at most gigs! Ian. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen Scott=20 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: I need brighter LEDs Here's a thing. =20 Did a lovely open air gig today at Will Gile's Exotic Garden in = Norwich, great fun, played a good set. BUT I was set up on the balcony of the house, spouting out my sounds = across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the sun came out, = I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite sampler = or guitar FX. Big problem, had to try to create shades while playing. = I usually have the opposite problem, and often need to set up a little = light so I can see the controls. ... and the cats! At one point I had two moggies climbing between my = legs and across my pedal board, and one perched atop the mixer. Playing there again next Sunday; must pack sunshade (but will this = encourage rain?) and pepper spray. Stephen www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! = Autos. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C803B5.7ADCBE30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Hi,
     
    I have this problem and the shoes thing too! I'm = partially=20 sighted and find that I have to work pretty much on memorising exactly = which=20 pedals I've pressed as I can't see the detail from sitting or standing = position.=20 The DL4 was OK as I could see the LEDs associated with each footswitch. = I asked=20 an engineer about installing brighter ones and he said it depends upon = the=20 current consumption and whether the circuit can cope with = it.
     
    I remember Cara saying in a post that she always = plays with=20 bear feet to trust which pedals she's pushing - I do this in the summer, = at=20 festivals etc, but it feels a bit strange at most gigs!
     
    Ian.
     
    ----- Original Message -----
    From:=20 Stephen = Scott=20
    To: Loopers-Delight@loope= rs-delight.com=20
    Sent: Sunday, September 30, = 2007 9:25=20 PM
    Subject: I need brighter = LEDs

    Here's a thing. 

    Did a lovely open air gig = today=20 at Will Gile's Exotic Garden in Norwich, great fun, played a good=20 set.

    BUT

    I was set up on the balcony of the house, = spouting out=20 my sounds across the lovely garden, it never occurred that when the = sun came=20 out, I wouldn't be able to see any of my LEDs on my RC20, soundbite = sampler or=20 guitar FX.  Big problem, had to try to create shades while = playing. =20 I usually have the opposite problem, and often need to set up a little = light=20 so I can see the controls.

    ... and the cats!  At one point = I had=20 two moggies climbing between my legs and across my pedal board, and = one=20 perched atop the mixer.

    Playing there again next Sunday; must = pack=20 sunshade (but will this encourage rain?) and pepper=20 spray.

    Stephen
    www.myspace.com/sylvianfisher

    Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make=20 it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01C803B5.7ADCBE30-- From Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Sun Sep 30 23:51:46 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: looparc@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+looparc@arsenic.violacea.com Received: by arsenic.violacea.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C6BBF3C025; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Old-Return-Path: X-Original-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Delivered-To: looper+loopers-delight@arsenic.violacea.com X-Greylist: delayed 2346 seconds by postgrey-1.21 at arsenic; Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:51:46 UTC Message-ID: <47002DC4.1070609@adelphia.net> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:14:12 -0400 From: Brian Good User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Subject: Re: Logic studio new version References: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <781B9BE8-AB77-4A99-9553-D500B21EA98B@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: Resent-From: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Reply-To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/75070 X-Loop: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: Loopers-Delight-request@loopers-delight.com Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 23:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Paul Mimlitsch wrote: > Anybody using this upgrade? Thoughts, especially in reference to "Main > Stage" as a live performance tool? > > I've spent the past week setting up Mainstage for a live performance in a couple weeks. So far, so good. You can use Logic's softsynths without having to have Logic running, and, though I have no evidence for this, I'm guessing that Mainstage might be more stable for live work. Augustus Loop seems to work ok with it, though I haven't done extensive testing. One of the best things about Mainstage is that it lets you easily set up thick, expressive layers of softsynths. One of the worst things is that it lets you easily set up thick, expressive layers of softsynths that bring your laptop to its knees. A five-instance layer of Absynth 4 seems to be a bit too much for my 2GHz Macbook. On the other hand, using simpler softsynths to build Jon Hassel-esque parallel-harmony patches seems to work well. I can post more after my next live gig, if anything interesting and/or terrifying happens. Brian